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The Friday Docback Rides Into 'A Town Called Mercy'!! READER REACTION TO DOCTOR WHO S07E03 Begins With A Spoiler-Free Review From Merrick, More!!



@KenPlume with 7th Doctor Sylvester McCoy - DragonCon 2012 




Merrick here...


...with a quick, SPOILER FREE mini-review of A Town Called Mercy, the third installment of DOCTOR WHO Season/Series 7.  But first...





I love that we live in a world in which Smithsonian does a serious write-up evaluating the scientific merits of a DOCTOR WHO episode called Dinosaurs on a Spaceship...


Find it HERE.  







Asylum of the Daleks (S07E01) HERE in HD and HERE in standard def.

Dinosaus on a Spaceship (S07E02) HERE in HD and HERE in standard def.  

A Town Called Mercy - HERE in HD, HERE in standard def! 






LAST WEEK, we embedded BeyondTheMarquee’s video of 4 year old Lindalee Rose reviewing S7’s opener, Asylum of the Daleks.  



The video was so well received, we thought you might wanna see Lindalee’s assessment of Dinosaurs on a Spaceship - the second episode of this Season/Series.




Sounds like episode-specific  Lindelee videos will continue to be posted on BeyondTheMarquee as S7 progresses, so..if you’re enjoying these... be sure to keep checking that site! 








Docbacks are regularly visited by participants from across the globe - which is tremendously cool.  Global visitors are cool.  Alas, DOCTOR WHO is shown in different times in different places across the world...  


For example, it transmits in the UK early evening  - which is early afternoon US time.  




This Docback will remain a SPOILER FREE ZONE until DOCTOR WHO’s initial UK transmit (which occurs early afternoon Saturday, US time).  


Once DW transmits in the UK, SPOILERS will be allowed in this forum.  Thus, folks wishing to remain unsoiled by Dinosaurs on a Spaceship details until they've seen the episode for themselves may wish to tread very, very carefully if entering this Docback after late morning(ish) North American time.  


Please note the Spoiler Warning Policy posted on the Code of Conduct below.  




A Town Called Mercy  -  SPOILER FREE REVIEW 





Last week’s Dinosaurs on a Spaceship saw the Doctor making a harsh move which rubbed many viewers the wrong direction.  Personally, I don’t think his actions were particularly out of character if you consider the show’s history as a whole.  The concluding moments of Family of Blood (S03E09), for example, brought us a decidedly mean-spirited and unnervingly vengeful Doctor.


And, over the years, there have certainly been many other examples of the Doctor meting out unnerving retribution.  While that one action in Dinosaurs may not be altogether off kilter, it did point to the possibility of bigger questions about the character.  Those questions come to the forefront in a big way in Mercy.


Dinosaurs on a Spaceship director Saul  Metzstein returns to helm this week’s tale as well.  Along with Director of Photography Stephan Pehrsson, the cinematic vibe which show overlord Steven Moffat said he was striving for this year is nicely perpetuated.  Filmed on old Spaghetti Western sets in Spain...



...Mercy has beauty, style, and scope - Murray Gold’s score manages to evoke the Michael Bay/James Bondian WHO ‘sound’ in which he’s been dabbling since The Moff took charge S5, while skillfully integrating  a pointed, propulsive, and haunting Western motif into this week’s score.  This episode ought to bring about a few lovely tracks on an inevitable Season/Series 7 soundtrack. 


FARSCAPE’s Ben Browder appears here as Mercy Sheriff Isaac.  He doesn’t get as much screentime as many FARSCAPE fans might be hoping for, but he’s utterly invested in his part.  Between this commitment...and his appearance...



...I often forgot that Isaac was played by Browder.  The mark of excellent acting work, I should think.  


Adrian Scarborough’s enigmatic and problematic Kahler-Jek is equally well-spun.  The role could’ve descended into stereo-typical goofballery easily and quickly, but Scarborough maintains integrity and nuance throughout, creating a sympathetic personage who is...not either concept, or how we should relate to him.




Which pretty much sums up Mercy in a nutshell.  At no point is the installment content to rest on its Western gimmick.  Much like Dinosaurs last week, Mercy takes a few moments to relish in its highly publicized setting/gag, before it shifts tone to reveals itself to be about ideas which aren’t at all Western-centric, and have far greater implications and ramifications in the long game.  Who are we and how do we define ourselves?  Where is the line between forgiveness and justice?  To what extent should we involve ourselves in bigger picture considerations?  And when is the time to basically say “fuck the universe!” and watch out only for ourselves?  Much like classic STAR TREK, our journey through such issues can be directly reflected into both our recent nd modern world.  And, from the sense of things, may well resonate far deeper into this Season/Series than face value might suggest.


While it’s tempting to draw paralels between this episode and, say, classic TREK’s Spectre of the Gun or DOCTOR WHO’s own The Gunfighters (Hartnell, Story #25), the tone of Mercy struck me as being more akin to William Dear’s under-appreciated TIMERIDER (1982) - i.e. a fun but relatively serious science fiction tale which might be transposed to any time and place, but happens to have landed in the Old West.  Admittedly, TIMERIDER isn't the very best comparison, but I think you'll see what I mean nonetheless.  


This one’s interesting.  When I first learned of Sir The Moff’s manifesto to reshape the show into a more stand alone, brashly cinematic format, I was excited - but also worried that some of DW’s resonance or relevance would be stripped away.  If the first few episodes of this Season/Series are any indication, I’d say the show may be more resonant and relevant than ever - it’s just packaged differently, more accessibly.  And, depending on how the rest of S7 shakes out, perhaps more dangerously.  



A Town Called Mercy -   9/8C BBC America (19:35 BBC One,  9/8pm Space)  






The Power of Three (S07E04)  






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[Season / Series Seven Docbacks - MOST RECENT DOCBACK IS HIGHLIGHTED]


The Coming of Season/Series 7

Asylum of the Daleks 

Dinosaurs on a Spaceship 






"The Impossible Astronaut"

"Day of the Moon"

"The Curse of the Black Spot"

"The Doctor's Wife"

"The Rebel Flesh"

"The Almost People"

"A Good Man Goes To War"

"Let's Kill Hitler"

"Night Terrors"


"The Doctor, The Widow and the Wardrobe" (2011 Christmas Special)  





"An Unearthly Child" (Story #1)

"The Daleks" (Story #2)

"The Edge of Destruction" (Story #3)

"Marco Polo" (Story #4)

"The Keys of Marinus(Story #5)

"The Aztecs" (Story #6)

"The Sensorites" (Story #7)

"The Sensorites" (Story #7 - full DVD release) 

"The Reign of Terror" (Story #8)

"Planet of Giants" (Story #9) 

"The Dalek Invasion of Earth" (Story #10)

"The Rescue" (Story #11) 

"The Romans"  (Story #12) 

"The Web Planet" (Story #13) / SHERLOCK - "A Scandal in Belgravia" (Story #4)

"The Crusade" (Story #14) 

"The Space Museum" (Story #15) 

"The Chase" (Story #16) 

"The Time Meddler" (Story #17) 

"Galaxy 4" (Story #18) 

"Mission to the Unkonwn" (Story #19) 

"The Myth Makers" (Story #20) 

"The Gunfighters" (Story #25)

"The Tomb of the Cybermen" (Story #37)

"The Mind Robber" (Story #45)

"The Krotons" (Story #47)

"The Seeds of Death" (Story #48) 

"Spearhead from Space" (Story #51) 

"The Colony in Space" (Story #58) 

"The Daemons" (Story #59) 

"Day of the Daleks" (Story #60) + Preview of the DotD Special Edition

"The Three Doctors" (Story #65) 

"Carnival of Monsters" (Story #66) 

"Death to the Daleks" (Story #72) 

"Invasion of the Dinosaurs" (Story #71) and SHERLOCK: "The Reichenbach Fall" (Story #6) 

"The Android Invasion" (Story #83) and SHERLOCK: "The Hounds of Baskerville" (Story #5) 

"The Face of Evil" (Story #89) 

"The Robots of Death" (Story #90) 

"The Talons of Weng-Chiang" (Story #91)

"The Sun Makers(Story #95)

"The City of Death" (Story #105)

"Nightmare of Eden" (Story #107) 

"Kinda" (Story #118)

"Snakedance" (Story #125) 

"The Five Doctors" (Story #129) 

"The Awakening" (Story #131)

"Frontios(Story #132)

"Resurrection of the Daleks" (Story #134) 

"The Caves of Androzani" (Story #136) 

"Time and the Rani" (Story #144)

"Paradise Towers" (Story #145) + New WHOvian Documentary / Newsbits

"Dragonfire" (Story #147) 

"The Happiness Patrol" (Story #149) 

"The Greatest Show in the Galaxy" (Story #151) 

"Doctor Who: The Movie" (aka TVM) - McGann) 


Merrick's Personal Journey With The Doctor (How Merrick Got Hooked On DOCTOR WHO)

DOCTOR WHO Title Sequences & DW At Comic-Con 2011

"The Crash of the Elysium" (Manchester version - interactive DOCTOR WHO adventure)

Why Eccleston Left, Here Comes Caroline Skinner, And Season/Series Six Part 1 on Blu-Ray And DVD

New Trailer For Season/Series Six Part 2

The Companions of DOCTOR WHO + New Trailer & Artwork For Season/Series 7  







1) a Docback should be about completely open and free discourse regarding all things WHO with, obviously, some variation on subject matter from time to time - the real world intervenes, discussions of other shows are inevitable, etc.)... 

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In short, it's easy.  Be excellent to each other.  Now party on... 
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  • Sept. 14, 2012, 9:23 a.m. CST

    First Docback Post

    by Singe2112

    Can't wait, oh, and FIRST!

  • Sept. 14, 2012, 9:25 a.m. CST

    doc doc...

    by Seph_J

    ....WHO'S there!!!! <p> <p> Damn I love it when DW is on TV.

  • Sept. 14, 2012, 9:49 a.m. CST

    Third! (and my first DocBack post)

    by TripEllex

    My wife and I just recently became huge Doc fans, having sat through all of the post-2005 series, as well as all of the movies since '66. Can't wait for this weekend's episode, especially with Ben Browder whom I've been a huge fan of since Farscape.

  • Sept. 14, 2012, 9:52 a.m. CST

    I'm Hoping For A BTTF Part III Vibe From This Story


    I wasn't a huge fan of last week's and, knowing that next week is also written by Chris Chibnall, not entirely enthused about that one either. However, I'm hoping this one is enjoyable enough and makes good use of the location. Toby Whithouse's previous stories (School Reunion, The Vampires Of Venice and The God Complex) have neither been awful nor fantastic; content to sit somewhere around "nothing special but entertaining enough". If this one achieves the same level, I'll be happy enough with that result.

  • Sept. 14, 2012, 9:57 a.m. CST

    There's an arrow in your machine, Reese

    by DoctorTom

    Proving there was life after the Monkees for Michael Nesmith. We'll have to see if A Town Called Mercy gets a better critical reception than Timerider did. A lot of people trashed the movie initially, but I liked it as the low key movie it was. We'll see what happens with this one.

  • Sept. 14, 2012, 10:11 a.m. CST

    Didn't think much of last weeks ep

    by Mr_P

    but suppose it was one for kids which is fair enough for a kids show. High hopes for this week though.

  • Sept. 14, 2012, 10:11 a.m. CST

    I'm hopeful

    by ByTor

    By and large I've really enjoyed Toby Whithouse's Who scripts. I wasn't nuts about God Complex, but I thought School Reunion was amazing, and Vampires of Venice was definitely solid. I know Whithouse can deliver fun combined with substance, and in between a pair of Chibnall scripts, I think that's what we need. I enjoyed Dinosaurs for what it was, but it was definitely a surface-only story.

  • Sept. 14, 2012, 10:12 a.m. CST

    catlettuce4 - still pretending... you know who I mean

    by Mister Vertue

    Just to respond to this comment made in the last Docback, why didn't you just say 'Man Of Vertue is still pretending to be The Moff and I don't like it' or words to that effect? Merrick (Glen) knows my true identity as we converse on a semi-regular basis when we have the time. I don't know what you want me to say to make you feel better and to stop you posting these sly little digs. Glen won't say who I am, or even give any hints, because he's a professional journalist (one of the few here on AICN may I add) and also too much of a gentleman, and that's why I felt I could trust him with my true identity. I hope that puts an end to the matter now, but if it doesn't, please openly state what needs to be done in a clear and concise way please.

  • Sept. 14, 2012, 10:15 a.m. CST

    After my previous posting...

    by Mister Vertue

    I'll not be saying *anything* about tomorrow's episode, or any future episodes, as doing so obviously upsets one or two Docbackers. If anything, I thought I was rather vague last Friday and didn't say nearly as much as I did during the last series. Oh well, you can't please 'em all!

  • Sept. 14, 2012, 10:18 a.m. CST

    MOV: nono, please

    by ByTor

    Don't let one or two negative voices drive you away. I can assure you that the rest of us enjoy your company, thoughts, etc., irrespective of who you might or might not be in real life, as it were.

  • Sept. 14, 2012, 10:22 a.m. CST

    by mmcdonaldw

    I didn't care for last week's episode - valid. I didn't care for last week's episode, therefore it is for babies - makes you a twit.

  • Sept. 14, 2012, 10:23 a.m. CST

    MOV I know who you are!

    by HornOrSilk

    A Dockbacker. You belong here. Don't let others run you off!

  • Sept. 14, 2012, 10:23 a.m. CST

    And this week.. call me.. ambivalent...

    by HornOrSilk

    Could go either way with this one...

  • Sept. 14, 2012, 10:29 a.m. CST

    MOV don't you dare go anywhere!!!

    by Seph_J

    About 30 seconds before Asylum broadcast you dropped a superb little teaser about a changed title sequence, which sent me into overdrive... and then...58 seconds later I was watching the DW logo in DALEK FONT! Nicely done. Stick around pleaseeee.

  • Sept. 14, 2012, 10:52 a.m. CST

    Ha ha! Didn't say I was leaving!

    by Mister Vertue

    Although I've hardly had the time to post recently as much as I did in the past, but I'm certainly not abandoning the Docbacks. I love reading all your crazy HATs and feedback on the latest episodes. I certainly didn't want my posts today to sound whiny or 'poor me' in any way, just wanted to address a few matters and clear the air in a (hopefully) non-aggressive and non-confrontational way. I still won't be commenting on future episodes from now on because I can see how that might have looked to some people, but hey, you'll all be watching it tomorrow anyway, so no big deal eh?

  • Sept. 14, 2012, 10:55 a.m. CST

    Doctor Dark Who

    by nameitpurple

    A lot has been made of the Doctor's retribution in Night at the Museum 3 (I think that was last week's episode was called), it definitely seems like a consistent development in the character this season. The seeds were there in Asylum, when the Doctor talks a Dalek into becoming a suicide bomber, and then very glibly acknowledges the destruction to Rory. As someone who has seen a lot of the original run of Who, and a more sinister or vengeful Doctor, I'll be very interested to see how far this is pushed as a new direction in the coming episodes.

  • Sept. 14, 2012, 10:55 a.m. CST

    Somebody sent this to me yesterday...

    by Mister Vertue I've already placed my order. This is Ain't It Cool, and I thought it was cool enough to mention!

  • Sept. 14, 2012, 10:56 a.m. CST

    hmmm, those dino comments look familiar....

    by ProfWimsey

    ..... I seem to recall at least one poster here pointing these out!

  • Sept. 14, 2012, 10:58 a.m. CST

    MOV: TARDIS shower

    by Merrick

    Want. But making it light up could result in shocking ungoodness.

  • Sept. 14, 2012, 11:01 a.m. CST

    scifi_piratemonster - coming full circle

    by Mister Vertue

    Matt's Tardis looks like Hartnell's Tardis on the outside. Maybe Matt's Doctor will resemble Hartnell's darker side to the character at some point in the future? Let's not forget, he's still carrying the library card with Hartnell's photo on it. He seems to be heading in that darker direction now, perhaps all he needs is a tragic event in his life to push him over the edge? Just a thought...

  • Sept. 14, 2012, 11:15 a.m. CST

    MOV / scifi_piratemonster

    by Merrick

    My *personal* sense of Smith's overall arc is that he's headed for a snap of some sort (based on his recent behavior, on River's previous comments, etc.) I am still rather amazed at how Hartnell's Doctor was spun - shocked they got away with it on what was purported to be a 'children's show.' He's one of television history's more intense, sometimes unlikable, but still lovable heroes (there is a difference between 'like' and 'love') - it would be very interesting to see Smith head into a dark night of the soul, or something to that effect. Especialy given how effortlessly he pivots between tones as an actor. If this is the case, 'Doctor Who?' suddenly makes a hard and potentially challenging way. I've always felt there were flourishers of anti-hero in the Doctor (throughout the whole show) - certain decisions which were 'right' when all was said and done, yet not necessarily made for altruistic reasons. Might we're headed into such morally ambiguous territory more aggressively? BTW: I'm speculating aloud rhetorically. Not implying foreknowledge.

  • Sept. 14, 2012, 11:20 a.m. CST

    Harry Potter and Doctor Who from last week...

    by Disgruntled_Chinaman

  • Sept. 14, 2012, 11:22 a.m. CST

    Love to see the Docs dark side

    by Evilmeister

    I nearly wet my pants when he got angry in A good man goes to war. I thought the villain from last week seemed to know the doctor? Or did he really just get confused by his name? Interesting either way I guess. I do like to be teased. So I'm glad to see you are still teasing us MOV

  • Sept. 14, 2012, 11:25 a.m. CST

    evilmeister - yes

    by Seph_J

    people forget about the opening sequence of AGMGTW where the Doc destroyed an entire Cyber legion just for information.

  • Sept. 14, 2012, 11:26 a.m. CST

    last weeks villain

    by Evilmeister

    Uhm, I meant to say.... What if we see him again in the future, doc already knows he's a wrong 'un. Could we be seeing more people meeting the doc in the wrong order?

  • Sept. 14, 2012, 11:27 a.m. CST

    Seph_J oh yes

    by Evilmeister

    And Matt's rendition of him, chin quivering in anger as he spits his lines out. Gosh, I nearly went gay for him

  • Sept. 14, 2012, 11:31 a.m. CST

    Just one little push

    by nameitpurple

    Hartnell's time as the Doctor is almost unrecognisable from the characterization we've been seeing in New-Who (He lied, cheated, double-crossed and loathed his way through the first couple of years - the mantra "The Doctor lies" barely scratches the surface. Self-serving and superior, pretty much covers it). I think the foreshadowing of the Ponds' ultimate fate, along side this colder outlook, could lead us into genuinely interesting places. Especially for a family tv show.

  • Sept. 14, 2012, 11:48 a.m. CST

    The Doctor's dark side and some rambling thoughts

    by HornOrSilk

    It's been in the show since the first Doctor. Clearly Ian and Barbara are shown to have rub off on the Doctor and make him more "humane." While he seems to have been bored with Time Lord life, it seems that it is his contact with humans which ultimately make him that much better than the rest of the Time Lords. It is not a one-sided affair: his companions always grow as a result of their time with the Doctor, often becoming heroes they never would have allowed themselves to be before they knew him (look at Mickey for example). Yet, the dark side is there, often ready to jump out and get you. I think we saw a bit of this in the Tom Baker years (Face of Evil, imo, has some of it come out), and of course, the Colin Baker years (the 6th Doctor, the Valeyard), and the 7th Doctor (he really became the most manipulative jerk of them all). I think it is something within the Time Lord's psyche, something which their contact with time, and the vortex, which slowly eats away at them and turns them bad. Thus Rassilon and Omega, two heroes, turn out to be two villains. The Master was once the Doctor's friend but slowly devolved. Borusa is yet another example of this. There is something which turns them bad, something which the Doctor is always facing, and putting behind him and yet comes out. His companions save him from himself. (And is it not possible that the Master's self-sacrificial end came, in part, because of the limited contact with humans he has had, transforming him just that much?) The question of Doctor Who? might be something deeper than we think. The question is not "Doctor Who?" but rather, "Who?" that is, "Who are you?" That is the question we all face, the question we all fear, the question we all have to face. For the Doctor, it is then, Doctor Who? when he comes across it. But for someone else, it will be "River Who?" and the like.

  • Sept. 14, 2012, 11:57 a.m. CST

    hornorsilk re: Doctor Who?

    by Merrick

    *** The question of Doctor Who? might be something deeper than we think. The question is not "Doctor Who?" but rather, "Who?" that is, "Who are you?" *** I think this is exactly right. It's a question of identity - and for the Doctor the challenge is figuring out WHO he is, and is not...

  • Sept. 14, 2012, 11:59 a.m. CST

    What if the Doctor himself forgets who he is?

    by Michael_Jacksons_Ghost

    Something happens to him, where his memory is wiped. The Doctor himself asks the question, "Doctor who?".

  • Sept. 14, 2012, 12:11 p.m. CST

    merrick - I meant to imply a bit more...

    by HornOrSilk

    What I think will happen is that everyone who is at the point when the question is asked will be forced to reveal themselves. Everyone. The Who question will not just be merely asked of the Doctor, but everyone. It will be a special "Who?" question which affects many. When it comes out, many will be effected. Many hidden secrets will be revealed - and not just from the Doctor. And perhaps this is why the question must never be asked, and why the Silence want to stop the Doctor.

  • Sept. 14, 2012, 12:11 p.m. CST

    Could the Order of the Silence make The Doctor

    by Michael_Jacksons_Ghost

    forget who he is? If so, when The Doctor asks the question of "Doctor Who?", wouldn't that mean "Silence will fall"?

  • Sept. 14, 2012, 12:12 p.m. CST

    My dream for annicersary - Tom Baker, Tennant and Eccleston together!

    by FrodoFraggins

  • Sept. 14, 2012, 12:56 p.m. CST

    Ken Plume's 'Where Do You Go To My Lovely?' Youtube video

    by Mister Vertue

    Why hasn't anyone mentioned this, or provided a link? Oh, that's why. Just kidding Ken! You have a 'unique' singing voice...

  • If I remember correctly they had him lose his memory for a year or so and go on all these adventures where he knew how to pilot the Tardis and do all the Doctor stuff but he had no memory of his previous selves or his adventures. I think they also had him trapped in espace where he found Romana and she got him his memory back or something like that. I think.

  • That is, somehow the climax of the River arc will be what causes her to start going (largely) backwards with respect to the Doctor, in order to help him preserve himself. The "answer" will somehow be tied to this.

  • Sept. 14, 2012, 1:24 p.m. CST

    I still think this episode looks like a shameless ripoff...

    by Chuck

    ..of The Aquabats Super Show episode "Cowboy Android!".

  • Sept. 14, 2012, 1:40 p.m. CST

    MOV re: Ken's singing voice

    by Merrick

    ** You have a 'unique' singing voice... ** You are a consummate diplomat, sir. (rolls eyes)

  • Sept. 14, 2012, 1:53 p.m. CST

    Ken Plume + American Idol = ratings winner

    by Mister Vertue

    Simon would love him. And judging by Simon's dress sense, he knows what he's talking about.

  • Sept. 14, 2012, 2:11 p.m. CST

    MOV - Well

    by Ken Plume

    As anyone who's seen my Twitter profile description of myself will know, I'm well aware of my vocal shortcomings, and the "singing" is tongue-in-cheek. HAVING SAID THAT, I am available for weddings, birthdays, and wrap parties. I am also very cheap. Priceless, even. Care for a duet?

  • Sept. 14, 2012, 2:27 p.m. CST

    thecomedian - McGann's memory

    by DoctorTom

    They had MvGann stuck on Earth when they gave him amnesia. The TARDIS had also been damaged at the time, so it took 100 years to heal up. The Doctor couldn't get into the TARDIS before then. This all happened when Justin Richards took over as editor, so it was probably (at least in part) a reaction to what had gone on before with Faction Paradox and the like, and a way to not have to deal with any of that continuity again.

  • Sept. 14, 2012, 2:29 p.m. CST

    elwagnero - you realize that "Who" going backwards

    by DoctorTom

    and upside down is Ohm - what they were originally going to call Omega. I'm not saying it's tied in with this or that it isn't, but it's just a little factoid to throw out there.

  • Sept. 14, 2012, 2:31 p.m. CST

    Ken - you shouldn't say "singing" in quotes

    by DoctorTom

    It's always much more fun to say 'Vocal stylings' instead. ;)

  • Sept. 14, 2012, 2:39 p.m. CST


    by GeptaOO1

    TGIF! Another Glorious Friday, Another Wonderful Docback to enjoy!!! Greetings Everyone!!! I can't wait to watch tomorrows episode... I only have 29 hours, 22 minutes to wait..... I am a huge farscape fan, so i am especially looking forward to this weeks episode.

  • Sept. 14, 2012, 2:40 p.m. CST

    Ken - in all honesty...

    by Mister Vertue

    I enjoyed your Youtube videos during my snack break and I really do admire your courage. Son_Of_Vertue has asked me to appear in a few of his videos and although I really don't like doing them, I did them anyway! You do anything to keep your kids happy though, don't you? Any updates on future projects between you and Glen?

  • Sept. 14, 2012, 2:51 p.m. CST

    The Long Dark Teatime of the Soul

    by Dreamfasting

    I'm always a little nervous when shows start dangling the possibility of a dark turn for a character. I like characters who know what it means to look into the abyss and respect the danger they could become. I often like redemption stories or irratable characters softening. But I actually don't like watching the part of the arc where the character makes their dark turn and steps over the line. I'm not a forgiving person that way. That's one of the reasons why, as fan of both old and new versions of the show I'm glad we didn't see the Time War between them. Getting to see the Doctor deal with consequences after it was over was far more interesting than watching him getting dragged down into it, watching him reach the point where he had to "destroy" his own world.

  • Sept. 14, 2012, 2:52 p.m. CST

    MOV - Fine Line

    by Ken Plume

    There's a fine line between courage and foolishness, but it's one I'm happy to dance on. Larks are fun. As to Glen and I, we've quietly finished a pilot script that's winging its way amongst various parties of note, so we're hopeful for that. And then there's that other lark, Whotininnies, which returns soon, just because we need to bicker in a lovingly pedantic manner. Lovingly.

  • Sept. 14, 2012, 2:52 p.m. CST

    MOV - Fine Line

    by Ken Plume

    There's a fine line between courage and foolishness, but it's one I'm happy to dance on. Larks are fun. As to Glen and I, we've quietly finished a pilot script that's winging its way amongst various parties of note, so we're hopeful for that. And then there's that other lark, Whotininnies, which returns soon, just because we need to bicker in a lovingly pedantic manner. Lovingly. And if the mood strikes you, we should do a bit of a chat sometime... We can talk of cabbages and kings.

  • Sept. 14, 2012, 2:56 p.m. CST

    Thanks for clearing that up doctortom...

    by thecomedian

    All I know of McGann's book adventures is half remembered shit I wiki'd a few years back. They really need to bring him back for the Anniversary. He's barely aged and he deserves some screen time. Too bad we'll never see The Time War.

  • Sept. 14, 2012, 3:05 p.m. CST


    by Michael_Jacksons_Ghost

    I am thinking that McGann will be returning. With Weta updating his 8th Doctor's costume, and giving him a sonic screwdriver, there has to be meaning behind that, other then for the fun of it. Big Finish is even using that look for the audio covers with the 8th Doc.

  • Sept. 14, 2012, 3:52 p.m. CST

    Did I read that correctly, Ken?

    by DoctorTom

    New Whotininnies soon? WOO HOO!!!!! Thanks you, Glen and Ken!

  • Sept. 14, 2012, 4:04 p.m. CST

    Here I was all ready to get involved here again...

    by gotilk

    and my DSL is down. Problems at the central office (CO). My wiring is fine, everything here is fine. DSL will not connect. They are *working on it*. Sloooooowly. So here I am in my back yard, using my neighbor's open wireless. Very thankful that I have DirecTV and BBCA in HD right about now. I hope you are all well and I'll be lurking whenever possible this weekend. Love you all. Toblerones for all.

  • Sept. 14, 2012, 4:05 p.m. CST


    by gotilk


  • Sept. 14, 2012, 4:11 p.m. CST

    Murray Golds score

    by tomdolan04

    Very good in parts but dear god they drown some scenes in it that need breathing room and its far louder than it needs to be in others.

  • Sept. 14, 2012, 4:14 p.m. CST

    for the kids?

    by Matthew

    we got two sexual innuendo jokes. I loved the vengeful Doctor, after what that guy did to the Silurians and killing that cute helpful Dinosaur that you can ride like a horse. Do not mess with the doctors friends! Great character moments between Rory and his dad, the guy carried his own travel shovel! Rory is a nurse which makes perfect sense as he travel with a doctor. Amy got to act like the Doctor around Nefertiti and the big game hunter. How about the Doctor being silent when Amy replied the end of her opposed to the Doctor saying the end of him? Foreshadowing! That episode had a little bit of everything Doctor Whoish. I even loved all the cheesy humor and silly flirting.The way the doctor petted the Dino to help it be calm as it died was so sad. How about the Doctor coming up unknown? Cool cool cool episode of course the doctor let the rockets blow up that guy, he was a dirt bag who bought and sold or traded innocent life the opposite of the Doctor who save and protects.

  • Sept. 14, 2012, 4:17 p.m. CST

    for kids?

    by Matthew

    we got two sexual innuendo jokes

  • Sept. 14, 2012, 4:18 p.m. CST

    Gotilk, I hope they get things working for you soon

    by DoctorTom

    and I mean soon by normal definitions, not soon in cable provide definitions. Maybe bribing them with Toblerone will help. I was definitely amused by your second post - I figured that was going to be your reaction the way it was mine.

  • Sept. 14, 2012, 4:25 p.m. CST


    by gotilk

    Thanks! Maybe the bribe will work. And as for the WHOTININNIES! post... it is tradition isn't it? Cheers! And thanks. A day without DSL is like a day without sunshine.... and DSL. Which would be a much worse day, wouldn't it?

  • Sept. 14, 2012, 4:30 p.m. CST


    by ByTor

    I'd love to see it, but I just don't think it's going to happen. I'd happily be proven wrong, but even for the 50th I think they're thinking more about the mainstream viewers. I'm going to disengage from the Docback now in preparation for watching the new episode. I don't think I can watch it Saturday as I've got a concert Saturday night, so you probably won't see me back before Monday. Enjoy, everyone!

  • for the 50th, and everyone is keeping it to themselves to preserve the shock, awe and joy we will all experience when it actually happens.

  • Sept. 14, 2012, 4:41 p.m. CST

    Good review, good to hear....

    by brechtsky

    This one was the one that least excited me. The obvious connection to hartnell's western themed episode, and the, in my opinion, lame-looking cyborg from the ads, I was not excited for this one, really.... So the good review is nice to hear, and gets me a little more anxious. Also, I agree with you about this season, and the comments about justifying the darker side of the doctor... From the clips I have previously seen, i think i understand the way it will continue to focus on the doctor and needing a companion to humanize him, or him being darker without one, or something similar... I am not sure if these ones feel so "stand alone" simply because we hear and feel the time "off" or apart that the ponds and he have spent in each one, and they seem like the waning relationships we all have with people in real life... Amy even brought this into focus with the moment where she talked about him not coming around more often, or whatever. To tell the truth, the characterization all feels a bit familiar, as far as the doctor... And at least if I am right about the direction this seems to be going... Nearly every time the doctor changes companions or regenerates, there is a bit or whole episode, about him being darker without one, or more "merciless"... Wink-wink.... But I am still regularly surprised by the show, and could easily be wrong about what's going on here... This time tomorrow I will be rewatching dinosaurs and have "mercy" on deck.... Woohoo.

  • Sept. 14, 2012, 5:56 p.m. CST

    What I found peculiar...

    by maelstrom_ZERO

    ...about the Doctor's dark turn in DoaS wasn't the fact that he actually did the act of killing Solomon. I mean, the Doctor's had a history of dishing out punishment, most notably (and shockingly) in Family of Blood/Human Nature. No, the most distressing thing was how the show completely glossed over that moment as if it was par for course. At least in Family of Blood, the show stressed the struggle the Doctor went through to save the Family from himself, and the aftereffects--he was poignantly somber, and was almost begging for forgiveness from the Matron...not specifically for hurting the family but for everything that was involved in that experience. But with DoaS, we see the Doctor kill, and do it casually, cooly, instinctively, and without remorse. And the show should at least dwell on it a bit, to show us how far the Doctor's become dehumanized, or his almost infinite capacity for evil on par with his capacity for good. But it doesn't. It just portrays the Doctor doing a terrible thing. . .as normal. That's the problem I had with the episode. Of course, maybe the writers did that deliberately, just to show how numb the Doctor's become. And of course ATCM will dwell on this issue too, considering the previews. But I still think the death of Solomon was handled incredibly poorly, all things considered.

  • Sept. 14, 2012, 6:30 p.m. CST

    The Doctor has always meant... to me at least...

    by gotilk

    that infinite knowledge equals infinite compassion. Is it true? How would I know? I'm far too flawed. But I want to believe it, and that is part of the magic of the character. I mean... for many, being for something like the death penalty after truly knowing the mentally ill and their struggles can be harder to justify internally. Now imagine knowing so VERY much more. In some cases, perhaps even the events that led to a particular individual being drawn to something like revenge, anger at the world, anger at injustice, etc. While it may not justify an act, it may make it understandable... or even inevitable in many cases. Thanks for the great post and *brain food*, Mr maelstrom_zero .

  • Sept. 14, 2012, 6:38 p.m. CST

    While there are more currents in the stream of his personality

    by gotilk

    other than compassion, certainly, it has still been prominent in my memories. That, and an unmatched, enthusiastic curiosity.

  • Sept. 14, 2012, 6:57 p.m. CST

    HATs aren't crazy. Panzaism is crazy. + HAT #131322

    by veteran_of_mu

    Robert Scheckley coined the wonderful word Panzaism in his otherwise regrettable 70s novel Mindswap. The opposite of Quixotism, a Panzaist sees only windmills where there are in fact giants. We are all at least a little affected by Panzaism. Riding on the bus surrounded by the grim, each poking away at our tiny little telephones, we forget we are floating in the heavens, each of us waves on the infinite surface of cosmic mind, and worry about what words some bureaucrat might say to another bureaucrat if we don't say some other words first. That's Panzaism. We forget that it's crazy, which is the craziest part because it's what locks us in. We become convinced that the reality is the fantasy and the fantasy the reality. Our world folds up like fast food packaging and the fear starts. The great joy of DW and speculative fiction in general is the breaking down of the cardboard prison, the call to wake and really see who we are and where we are and how wonderful it all is. We dream of travelling through space and time but in fact we are already travelling through space and time - on the slow boat and taking the scenic route. We are all Buddha and we cannot die. We can only forget. So here's a little HAT. Imagine you're the Gangerdoc. Which is to say the Valeyard. Unlike the real Doc you've integrated all the memories of all your deaths and you know the real Doc is on a hiding to nothing. You know he's going to turn monstrous for no other reason than his attachment to those privileged few who happen to accompany him. And you can't permit that to happen. You have to stop him. First you try to stop him by outwitting him at his most vain and vapid and outwittable, the 6th doctor. You don't mind that it will prevent you ever existing if it also prevents the dark Doc. That almost works but the Master intervenes. Why? Who tipped him off? There's really only one person who could. And you realise that the Tardis will never permit the Doctor to come to an end - that Sexy will always arrange for something to happen to save the day. You take on a protege, Kovarian, and attempt to turn the companions themselves into a weapon to destroy the Doctor. But Sexy simply reprograms the weapon to become the Doctor's lover. You try to seal the Doctor away from Sexy in the Pandorica. He's not dead so she won't intervene. But she still has a trick up her sleeve - she reboots the universe in Big Bang 2. So you try a new tack. You create the Silents and seed them on Earth, an irresistible contagion who can suck up the Doctor's memories and force him, through post-hypnotic suggestion, to let go his attachment to his companions and take a brighter path. But that backfires when the Doc becomes aware of their existence. You realise the trouble isn't the Doctor's memories but the memory of the Tardis. So finally you hit on the perfect solution. You write a virus. A tantalizing and cheerful virus, one the Doctor cannot help saving. It's in the Doctor's sonic. And now all you have to do is induce the Doctor to use the Sonic on the Tardis ... Locked and loaded, Oswin is the Valeyard's final solution. Her purpose is to make Sexy forget who the Doctor is - to leave Sexy a mindless shell, an empty invisible Tardis sitting on top of the duck pond in Leadworth.

  • Sept. 14, 2012, 7:31 p.m. CST


    by gotilk

    Brilliant!! As always. Always such a joy to read. GREAT to see you.

  • Sept. 14, 2012, 8:23 p.m. CST

    hornersilk re: Doctor's darkness

    by chronicallydepressedlemming

    I don't agree it has anything to do with the Time Vortex or any particular sci-fi reason. I think it's just symptomatic of the kind of life the Doctor, and presumably a Time Lord leads. practically immortal and coming up against the same evils all the time must be like trying to keep the tide at bay. Eventually, you are going to crack. He might even justify it by reasoning that he's tried doing things the 'right' way and it never stops these evils, so why not try a different tact?

  • Sept. 14, 2012, 9:31 p.m. CST

    doctortom, I'm watching The Ark per last week's comments

    by Kathryn Gail

    Haha--"no spoilers!" "Everyone please continue not giving away this 1966 story" (just kidding obviously). This one hadn't been that high on my list of must-catch-ups, but perhaps it's still suffering from waning novelty and broadcast schedule changes from 1966--not everyone's best performance, but surprisingly lively and nicely realized given the many, many constraints of the day.

  • Sept. 14, 2012, 10:10 p.m. CST

    Loved Asylum & Dinosaurs, also Amazon & VUDU streaming times

    by Barrymore

    Hoping Mercy is as good as the first two--I actually wasn't sure about Dinosaurs at first, but I've rewatched it and like it even better. If anyone is interested in streaming video, the new DW eps show up late Saturday/early Sunday morning (some time after 3am) on Amazon and VUDU. Amazon works perfectly for me--VUDU has buffering problems on my TV. BTW, thanks MERRICK for the info last week!

  • Sept. 14, 2012, 10:56 p.m. CST

    @gotilk - back atcha but ... 15 minute prequels is what we need.

    by veteran_of_mu

    I don't know about that last HAT. It's a bit too waffly, really kind of derivative on some of the earlier ones. I feel like we haven't got enough to go on at this point. I blame it on the 45 minute episodes. We've seen enough of them now to say for certain that 45 minutes is not enough time for the Moff to do his best work. I recall back in the classic series when an ep. had to fit in 30 minutes, and when they shifted to 60 just how quickly DW became so much cooler. If the 45 minute episodes were 2-parters it might work. Or if the online prequels expanded to 15 minutes each - do all the exposition in there and let the muggles enjoy the running around we get when we start in the middle. Even tripe like DOAS could be made cool that way. 15 minutes of the cutesy robots throwing screaming Silurian children out of an airlock would have given the affair a very different feeling ... don't you think?

  • Sept. 14, 2012, 11:27 p.m. CST

    maelstrom_zero, gotilk : A Good man doesn't need rules...

    by Perigee

    Avoiding the question of whether DW is fantasy or Science Fiction, one thing is, most definitely fantasy: an infinitely patient and compassionate sentient being. 900 years is a long time to watch injustice, cruelty and intolerance. Patiently. Compassionately. A good Man doesn't need rules because, perhaps, he is relatively powerless against the larger depredations of life. He can rage and rail, while barely making a ripple in the surface of existence. But The Doctor is not a Man - he has knowledge, intelligence, technology and ability to affect vast change, practically on a whim. If The Doctor is just, than he can not be unmoved by injustice; if The Doctor is compassionate, then he must be revolted by dispassion and aggression. 900 years of it... I'd imagine there's only so much a being with that much life and experience can take without some of the cracks showing. And I'd be glad to see it starting to show. If it is disturbing, it is disturbing because it is breaking the character from the fantasy world of unerringly Christ-like and heroic. It shows a complexity to the character we've rarely been given access to. As a grey-muzzle Trekkie, one of my favorite Kirk speeches was the ~I will not kill - today~ schtick. It showed our darkness, and accepted it... while showing how we overcome it. I'd like to see how a 900-year old creature with command of time and space handles his outrage, anger and frustration. To me, that's pretty damned cool stuff.

  • Sept. 14, 2012, 11:46 p.m. CST

    Merrick I am a little hurt :P

    by Kevin Bolinger

    I posted Lindalee's review of Dinosaurs in the Dinosaur Docback...and not one person noticed :P lol..hello, hello, echo.... :P

  • Sept. 15, 2012, 12:35 a.m. CST

    caractacuspotts ...

    by gotilk

    The 45 minute episode thing still bugs me. UNGH. (Unfortunate, No GOOD, Horrible) I've been saying UNGH for years and never considered it could be an acronym. Exciting! Or exiting. I agree with the 15 minute prequels idea. No, strike that. I LOVE the idea.

  • Sept. 15, 2012, 12:53 a.m. CST

    @gotilk, it's got another advantage

    by veteran_of_mu

    You could actually film stuff specifically for the Whovians - all kinds of geeky references and subtexts - and let the deeper meaning go right over Lindalee's head. No worries because Lindalee will still see the same denouement as the adult. She'll squeal with glee as the Doctor takes down the naughty gruff man or the scary Daleks without having to see all the gory stuff it takes to make an adult Whovian squeal with glee when those things happen. So many episodes would have benefited from this kind of approach. Most of S5, all of S6 expect the pirate debacle. Just think how much better AOTD would have been if ~that~ prequel had run 15 minutes, the Doc waking from one dream to the next with the Messenger popping up just when he thought he was free ... plus lots more exposition around just what an insane Dalek is capable of doing ... it would have been so cool for the likes of us. And really any adult who takes a fancy to the regular show and wants to delve deeper. Moff has to be rankling at the restrictions of the 45 minutes and big money audience. That has to be the reason for the AOTD prequel being so much cooler than the ep. 15 minute prequels could be almost all talking - no new sets or FX - so really could be done without anyone fretting about budgets. Moff has to be thinking about it - I mean, if we are, surely he is ...

  • Sept. 15, 2012, 1:20 a.m. CST


    by gotilk

    Wish I had seen that. Can you repost the link? Good to see you!

  • Sept. 15, 2012, 2:32 a.m. CST

    the time passes tooo slowly

    by GeptaOO1

    17 hours, 28 minutes till showtime...

  • Sept. 15, 2012, 3:53 a.m. CST

    chronicallydepressedlemming -- my point

    by HornOrSilk

    We have seen in New Who that Time Lords are given unique visions as children, visions shape them and how they turn out as they grow up. We have seen how this affected The Master. With New Who, this could also be used to suggest there is some "corrupting influence" on all Time Lords due to this vision. The Master clearly fights against it, but ends up giving in. Perhaps this is what happens to all the Time Lords. Sure it is a sci-fi approach, but it is something already referenced in the show.

  • I mean I loved Farscape too, but Browder is more wooden than a plank covered by another plank, locked in a pine box, and surrounded by trees. Unlike most of his co-stars, the dude has no range. He's likable enough, but that's about it really. I mean try and play spot the difference between his Farscape and Stargate characters, while the characters are written to be very different, you wouldn't know that unless you were paying extra special attention, as they are pretty much performed exactly the same. The guy has one character, and if you're actually looking for that character then he does it well enough, but ask for anything else and you're in trouble. Regardless, looking forward to this episode. Can't believe that we only have two more episodes after this before Who is gone again. Le sigh.

  • Sept. 15, 2012, 4:06 a.m. CST

    Ben Browder even...

    by Stegman84

    God Damn dyslexia. Le sigh. Again.

  • Sept. 15, 2012, 4:06 a.m. CST

    It's a shame that we've already had a story called "Remembrance Of The Daleks" because...


    ..that would be a fitting title for the inevitable future story where the Daleks suddenly remember who their greatest enemy is.

  • Sept. 15, 2012, 4:07 a.m. CST



    Don't wish your Saturday away! Weekends are precious and it's a lovely day out there!

  • Sept. 15, 2012, 5:23 a.m. CST


    by GeptaOO1

    It's 3:19 am, and I am in the middle of a war against my arch enemy, insomnia. I'm currently watching a movie called "Cat Run" and I feel more awake now than I did an hour ago... I'll probably fall asleep in about 40 minutes, wake up around noon, work out for an hour, and then only have 5 hours left to wait till WHO

  • Sept. 15, 2012, 5:24 a.m. CST

    my post.....disappeared

    by GeptaOO1

    it was swallowed alive....

  • Sept. 15, 2012, 6:13 a.m. CST

    The Time Lord Victorious

    by Captain Howdy

    If that aspect of the Doctor was to return, and there were no faithful companions to temper his arrogance, the only thing that might conceivably stand a chance of stopping him would be himself. Or rather, earlier versions of himself. Maybe his previous incarnations team up not to fight with the 11th, but to fight against him. The only other person that might stand a chance of stopping him would be the Master. He might decide that he's not happy with the Doctor doing a better job of being evil, and somehow escapes the Time War to put a stop to it, or perhaps the time-locked Gallifreyans decide to send the best weapon they have up against the one man that might still prove to be their salvation. A great spin, (but one which is 100% fanboy daydream), would be for the Doctor and the Master to become involved in such a heated battle that they are both forced to regenerate at the same time. Two new men emerge from the TARDIS - one good, one evil - and it seems as though the eternal struggle continues anew. But the person we believe to be the Doctor is actually the Master, trying to make amends for his previous actions and doing his damnedest to stop the Valeyard/Dreamlord, whom everyone else assumes to be the Master.

  • Sept. 15, 2012, 6:32 a.m. CST


    by paineywoo

    Each time I have seen the trailer for this episode... and the guy playing the Sheriff says "Everyone who is not an American - put down your guns" I have instantly thought he was being played by Corey Johnson from the Dalek episode (Van Statten)... DW likes to recycle actors, so did anyone else think this (or was it just me being a chump...)?

  • Sept. 15, 2012, 6:43 a.m. CST


    by Kevin Bolinger

    It is at the vey top of this page, the second imbedded video I think...hence my little dig earlier :P

  • Sept. 15, 2012, 6:46 a.m. CST

    Two things I would love to see in Doctor Who at some point...

    by Stegman84

    I want to see a Doctor 'fall'. No hinting around the edges, I want to see an incarnation of The Doctor, preferably a popular, much loved one, lose it and allow the darkness to take over, ala The Valeyard. I want to see what a raw and angry Doctor is like. Take a Doctor during what has been decided as the last season of a particular actor in the role, and let them slowly unravel for whatever reason through the first half of the season, until they truly go into the darkness, and then have them stay there, have them commit acts that can not be unwound, can not be forgiven, until their inevitable regeneration, either by self sacrifice, or by a companion, or perhaps even The Master (possiblyt seeking his own redemption?) forcing a regeneration. Then having the next Doctor having to pick up the pieces, deal with the fallout, rebuild his name and reputation, earn back the universe's trust... The other thing I want is for somebody to take all the footage done for the Tom Baker story Shada and use it in a clever way in order to weave a brand new story in a 'trials and tribble-ations' type timey-wimey crossover with the current Doctor going through the events of the Shada storyline from a different point of view, and helping to create a certain outcome, and trying to make sure that he doesn't run into his earlier self, with Baker's Doctor of course never knowing any better as his parts of the story (or at least those that were shot) proceed in tandem. With use of the footage that exists, along with clever use of obscured doubles if/where required, and perhaps even some new (off camera) dialogue from Tom Baker, Lalla Ward, John Leeson et al, I'm sure somebody clever enough could piece together something quite worthwhile. I mean Hell, if US TV could do that kind of thing in 1996, surely the BBC could do it in 2013 or whenever...

  • Sept. 15, 2012, 10:19 a.m. CST


    by HornOrSilk

    I'm hoping Big Finish do a bit of this with the 8th Doctor. We will see with the new set coming out soon. Also, what if it is some version of the 4th Doctor who turns evil, and in this evil form, didn't regenerate? Now that's a story for the 50th anniversary.

  • Sept. 15, 2012, 10:48 a.m. CST

    He could have saved the guy and sent him to space prison

    by cromulent

    So yeah that was kinda harsh last week. But I thought that episode was fantastic overall, even though I did roll my eyes when I saw the trailer weeks ago. Dinosaurs on a spaceship? Com'on. But it was great

  • Sept. 15, 2012, 12:16 p.m. CST

    Counting down the hours

    by cosmic_dolphin

    ..until Red Dwarf X But Doctor Who is keeping me damn well entertained until then. I hope it's as good as Gunmen of the Apocolypse.

  • Sept. 15, 2012, 12:43 p.m. CST

    RE:Broadcast Time In Canada

    by JonBrad

    Just a quick mention Merrick that it airs at 9pmEST, not 8pmEST, on the Space channel here in Canada. Otherwise excellent idea the Docback. I usually lurk here after the eps air to see what others think about them.

  • Sept. 15, 2012, 12:53 p.m. CST

    Caractuspotts - I'll see your HAT and counter it with a different HAT

    by DoctorTom

    I'm not convinced the Valeyard (or whatever name he is) knows the future Darkness of the Doctor - he knows what he keeps locked inside, as well as the regular Doctor does. I don't see him tying in with Kovarian the way you are suggesting. I do have another theory on the Valeyard, though, based on what we've seen happen. The Valeyard pops up during the Doctor's sixth regeneration to what, actually help the Time Lords put the Doctor on trial? There's something deeper there. We find out that data from the Matrix is being stolen and sold to outside forces. The government knows about this, and moves Earth a couple of light years to try to hide the fact...never mind that moving Earth a couple of light years is suspicous enough. *Hey, Joe, I can't find Earth! It's missing here!* *I dunno, George, but what about that new star system about 2 light years away that hasn't been there before?* The Valeyard manages to hang a light on something being wrong there in the trial with the way he starts some sentences and then mentions stuff being redacted. By the end, what has he really accomplished through his trial? Gallifrey's government was overthrown, and the knowledge of the leaks in the Matrix had come out. What if the Valeyard actually managed to change time? Imagine the group of incompetents who had been in charge of Gallifrey at the time trying to fight the Time War. Their battle plans show up in the Matrix, which is leaking like a sieve. The Daleks find out. The Daleks win the Time War. The Shadow Proclamation, the Sontarans, the Cybermen, any other races who might stand against them fall. The Doctor, as the last of his race, is fighting a losing battle against the Daleks, and the Daleks are about to conquer or destroy the rest of the universe. He comes up with a desperate plan to interfere in his own and Gallifrey's past so that some Time Lords who are more competent are in charge, and that the leaks in the Matrix are plugged so that the Daleks can at least be slowed. He knows what a corrupt bunch the government is, so he throws them the idea of prosecuting his earlier self and giving the regenerations to the future him. He is actually a darker character by this point, haunted by all the losses and desperate, but still wants to save the universe. He knows, though, that they might believe that he's doing this in order to get the regenerations even though that's only a ruse. He convinces the Time Lords to go ahead with the trial. The Valeyard primes a few other things to happen (possibly certain legal documents leaked to Time Lords that the Valeyard knows would get involved with a resistance to the current regime). He topples the government, the leak gets plugged, and the Valeyard's past changes. He finds out there's still a Time War, but at least this time it's a stalemate instead of a loss. (And, for all we know, the Valeyard popped up to help out in the Time War to keep the Daleks from winning.) After changing history he might or might not still have been around in the future, or there are just echoes of him in what the Doctor keeps suppressed now.

  • Sept. 15, 2012, 12:58 p.m. CST

    johnbrad re: Canada broadcast

    by Merrick

    The Space site says 8pm - no timezone specified?

  • Sept. 15, 2012, 1:03 p.m. CST

    33 minutes!!!!

    by Seph_J

  • Sept. 15, 2012, 1:24 p.m. CST



    Apologies. I thought you were a Brit. Good luck fighting back against the insomnia. I suffered through that once and it wasn't fun at all. Still, at least it means that the monsters can't get you whilst you're sleeping!

  • Sept. 15, 2012, 1:25 p.m. CST

    Ten Minuten


    As they would say in Germany if there was ten minutes to go before Doctor Who aired.

  • Sept. 15, 2012, 1:30 p.m. CST

    5 MINUTES!!!!!!

    by Seph_J

    Exterminieren! Exterminieren! Halt! Sonst werden wir Sie exterminieren! Sie sind jetzt ein Gefangener der Daleks! Exterminieren! Exterminieren! <p> <p> (as the Daleks would say if they were scouring the forests of Germany ;) )

  • Sept. 15, 2012, 1:36 p.m. CST

    Here goes!!! Enjoy!!!!

    by Seph_J

  • Sept. 15, 2012, 1:52 p.m. CST

    Calling it now..

    by chronicallydepressedlemming

    Susan the horse for next companion.

  • Sept. 15, 2012, 2:12 p.m. CST

    Just realized that I'd stopped watching this several minutes ago.

    by buggerbugger

    Stupid bloody cyborg with a comedy Pinhead voice. Do better. Do much better. This is generic tat.

  • Sept. 15, 2012, 2:26 p.m. CST

    I Liked It!


    It won't go down as one my favourites and it was a bit predictable in places but it was nicely acted (even though Rory and Amy were a bit underused) and I liked the dynamic between the two alien doctors. Next week, however, looks meh. And, bloody hell, it's fucking Chris Chibnall again. What have we done to deserve that?

  • Sept. 15, 2012, 2:26 p.m. CST

    RE: Canada Broadcast time

    by JonBrad

    Not sure where you're getting that info Merrick. Here's a link to the Dr. Who page at the official Space site

  • Sept. 15, 2012, 2:26 p.m. CST

    A waste... *spoilers*

    by Blackhand2010

    ...of Ben Browder and the western setting for a story that was fairly naval gazing. Not a bad story (though pretty cliched), just the setting was all wrong. Nice musical nods to Morricone, though, (I'm fairly sure I heard some cues from Once Upon a Time in the West in there).

  • Sept. 15, 2012, 2:33 p.m. CST

    Hmmm ok....

    by dj_bollocks

    What's with the lightbulbs... We're 3 for 3 now...

  • Sept. 15, 2012, 2:34 p.m. CST

    And oh yeah, Timerider

    by Blackhand2010

    I would sacrifice many vital organs to see Fred Ward in Doctor Who.

  • Sept. 15, 2012, 2:37 p.m. CST

    jonbrad re: Canada.

    by Merrick

    You know what's it's doing? Just figured it out. Their site is auto-adjusting for my time zone (auto listing as 8pm as I'm in Central time). Hadn't caught that before -will adjust appropriately now and next time. Interesting - thanks for mentioning it!

  • Sept. 15, 2012, 2:37 p.m. CST

    Good - 7/10. Quite fluffy

    by tomdolan04

    Despite the different window dressing and the attempts at 'deep' between the two Docs, its not that much more substantial than DOAS than I initially thought it would be. <p> A great score but again way too emotive. They really need to let some scenes just play themselves out instead of having 'sad' scenes with loud ambient 'THIS IS A SAD SCENE' music playing. I dont recall one scene in the whole 45minutes that just let the actors do their thing without 'nudge nudge this is how the audience should feel' musical cues.

  • Sept. 15, 2012, 2:39 p.m. CST

    Generic and safe.

    by BiggusDickus

    Some nice morality ideas coming into play, but overall a cliched waste of the setting. 6/10 - better than last week though...

  • Sept. 15, 2012, 2:53 p.m. CST

    age ?

    by brian tobin

    did he just say he was 1200 years old ?

  • Sept. 15, 2012, 2:54 p.m. CST

    I rather liked it.

    by Octavian

    A simple tale told simply. At a time when over-complication rules the Whovian roost it made a nice change.

  • Sept. 15, 2012, 2:57 p.m. CST

    Healing Hands *spoiler*

    by Captain Howdy

    The Dalek's needed the Doctor. They got him, but were then were made to forget him. Solomon needed a doctor. He got THE Doctor, and would never forget him for as long as he lived, (which didn't turn out to be very long). The town of Mercy already had an alien doctor. They got another, who was more than willing to sacrifice the first. The townspeople still remember both. Next week's episode seems to revolve around The Ponds trying to decide if they still need/want the Doctor in their lives. A pattern?

  • Sept. 15, 2012, 3:02 p.m. CST

    Pretty Good - I enjoyed it

    by cosmic_dolphin

    Not as good as the Red Dwarf Western Episode though. It was a bit predictable , I knew what would happen in the end as soon as the Doctor found the spaceship. This season seems to be playing for a far broader audience. So far I prefer Asylum of the Daleks, then this one, then Dinosaurs on a Spaceship

  • Sept. 15, 2012, 3:09 p.m. CST

    RE: age?

    by Captain Howdy

    Aye. He was 900+ leading up to the Battle of Demon's Run. He then spent 200 years trying to find River, and avoid being the 1100 year old Doctor that "died" at Lake Silencio. He's clearly been spending more and more time away from The Ponds: 10 months had passed for them between 'Asylum of The Daleks' and 'Dinosaurs on A Spaceship', and we have no idea how long the Doctor was pottering/plotting between visits, so 1200 sounds about right.

  • Sept. 15, 2012, 3:15 p.m. CST

    A smart idea, handsomely made b

    by Azby

  • Sept. 15, 2012, 3:15 p.m. CST

    A smart idea, handsomely made b

    by Azby

  • Sept. 15, 2012, 3:18 p.m. CST

    gamma re: age

    by brian tobin

    thanks mate, i didn't realise he spent that long looking for river ...... had me worried for a bit

  • Sept. 15, 2012, 3:22 p.m. CST

    A smart idea, handsomely made, well acted

    by Azby

    but dull as dishwater. The idea to play the morality question that's at the centre of Doctor Who as a Western is a great one. The problem was it was so busy working the cliches to fit the doctor it forgot to actually be fun. It was probably much more fun to write than it was for us viewers to watch. On the plus side this series looks fantastic. They have upped their game on that front.

  • Sept. 15, 2012, 3:24 p.m. CST

    No idea what happened with the multiple posts

    by Azby

  • Sept. 15, 2012, 3:38 p.m. CST

    That unfortunately was the ultimate definition of Meh!

    by Timmid

    Predictable from start to finish and very hard to understand how the towns people were supposed to take this bumbler seriously. What was the Doctors plan exactly when the cyborg broke into the Church. Complete mess for me. Nothing in this season has yet smacked me in the face with its awesomeness-- it all feels rather stale. Wheres Gaiman when you need him ?

  • Sept. 15, 2012, 3:46 p.m. CST

    *spoilers* I liked it, it was certainly different...

    by Seph_J

    ...and while the Doc's sudden desire to unleash bloody vengeance and equally sudden realisation that such a thing would be wrong was quite weird, I'm sure theres more to it than we've yet seen.

  • Sept. 15, 2012, 3:52 p.m. CST

    I also rather liked it

    by James farler

    Again, like last weeks episode it didn't really add anything to the "mythology" but it was perfectly watchable. Yes, there are some plot holes in places, but that doesn't detract too much from the whole. I particularly liked the little speech that Amy gave about the Doctor losing his compassion when he travels on his own for too long, and that's why he needs humans with him. Something which, I believe, has been alluded to here on more than one occasion. Regarding the trailer for next weeks episode, did anyone else notice Rory and Amy looking considerably older? Or did I imagine it?

  • Sept. 15, 2012, 4:15 p.m. CST

    so what's with all the light fittings eh?

    by chronicallydepressedlemming

    dodgy electric light failure is something we've seen in the previous episodes. Alluding to something I think.

  • Sept. 15, 2012, 4:15 p.m. CST

    thinking about it: gotta be a weeping angels link

    by chronicallydepressedlemming

    and to do with the Ponds' exit from the show.

  • Sept. 15, 2012, 4:23 p.m. CST

    It is a BEAUTIFUL day outside today

    by GeptaOO1

    3 hours, 37 minutes till new WHO.....

  • Sept. 15, 2012, 4:42 p.m. CST

    That was okay

    by donkey_lasher

    Not the best by far.

  • Sept. 15, 2012, 4:55 p.m. CST

    Oh, I enjoyed that one.

    by notspock2

    Not so much for the story, but for the Identity questions that emerged from it... rather thoughtful stuff for 7.30pm on a saturday. I suspect the nice weather has kept the uk docbackers outside and at the pub...

  • Sept. 15, 2012, 5:12 p.m. CST

    Theres something about this Dr...

    by kalsavik

    Hi guys, new to the boards, been a long time lurker, have enjoyed some of your theories concerning the Dr, even the twisted ones between spilt coffee and a few jammy dodgers. My Dr was the pertwee years, which was all good fun, and even had the best Master, the brilliant Roger Delgado. And now we have new who.. what fun is to be had again :) Anyways, since this incarnation of the Dr has begun, *in amy's house* theres been a tiny niggle which pops up in a few episodes, and it happened again tonight with "Mercy". With luck some of you long time posters who have memories longer then a goldfish, (seeing as mines even less) might be able to clarify why someone who is in excess of 900 yrs appears to be having NEW emotions?... think its time to hold on to ur hats ttfn

  • Sept. 15, 2012, 5:28 p.m. CST

    *spoilers* 7 out of 10

    by billyhitchcock1

    I feel the same about this episode as I did about last weeks. Very enjoyable as a piece of entertainment but again it felt like way too much was crammed into such a short space of time. Issac had about 3 lines before we are supposed to emote over his heroic death. how can you get to know a character in such a short space of time? especially in a western, a genre which lends itself so well to slow exposition. I would love a return to the 25 minute serial format and have doctor who on tv for half the year instead of a quarter of it.

  • Sept. 15, 2012, 6:33 p.m. CST

    WHOTININNES tonight?

    by Merrick

    Looks like...

  • Sept. 15, 2012, 6:41 p.m. CST

    only 80 minutes left to wait

    by GeptaOO1

    although the interweb is giving me a lukewarm feeling for this episode :(

  • Sept. 15, 2012, 6:57 p.m. CST

    I really liked this episode!

    by Rebel Scumb

    Just watched it, my expectations were low based on the past 2 eps, but I quite liked this one. Good pacing, a story! character development! to me this was the best episodes since the Gangers 2 parter. Next week looks promising as well.

  • in particular when they first entered the Marshalls office for the first time

  • Sept. 15, 2012, 7:02 p.m. CST

    dj_bollocks re: flickering lightbulbs...

    by Rebel Scumb

    There was an itch at the back of brain all episode about that but I couldn't put my finger on it, but you're right! It's been in all 3 episodes so far Seems like you've caught out the bad wolf/torchwood/vote saxon/cracks 'mention' for this season

  • Sept. 15, 2012, 7:05 p.m. CST

    well put octavian, re: overcomplication ruling

    by Rebel Scumb

    Good meat and potatoes storytelling is what I've really missed as of late on Dr. Who complicated stories are fine, but not when they aren't given time to breath in a 2 or 3 parter, or lack any payoff.

  • Sept. 15, 2012, 7:14 p.m. CST


    by Rebel Scumb

    I know what you mean about it feeling 'off' as of late. I thought this one felt more on track, I actually kind of thought it echoed the vibe of the Eccelston season (minus the mammoth body count of innocent people in every single episode) This was no 'blink' or 'midnight' or 'silence in the library' but I think this one would stand well next to the unquiet dead, or the lazarus experiment. But I do agree, there is something that just feels... false about the show, as though the entire cast and crew and writers were replaced with imposters. This incarnation (moffat/smith/gillan/darvill) somehow feels less established than they did in their first season, as opposed to a well oiled machine, established and confident the way Tennant/RTD felt going into their 3rd & 4th seasons.

  • Sept. 15, 2012, 7:33 p.m. CST

    26 minutes and....

    by GeptaOO1

    counting down :)

  • Sept. 15, 2012, 7:36 p.m. CST

    I liked it...

    by Kevin Bolinger

    However, there is clearly more going on with the Doctor then we are privy to. Since when has Amy had to reel him back by pointing a gun at, the Doctor we met in The 11th Hour is gone, he is far to easily angered now, and is swift to deal out someone said, he seems to have come full circle, acting more like his original incarnation...more, dare I say, Time Lord like...

  • Sept. 15, 2012, 7:36 p.m. CST

    rebel scumb, well said mate ... especially the confidence part ...


  • Sept. 15, 2012, 7:49 p.m. CST

    Scooby Who *SPOILERS*

    by veteran_of_mu

    Jex should never have committed suicide. That's just a cop-out. What needed to happen was the Doc manipulating Jex & Tek into Jex's ship, having changed the password so the thing would blow both of them up together. And then looking sour at Amy's disapproval. But that might have upset young Lindalee, mightn't it? Let's face it, this season is not for Whovians. Not saying it's unwatchable, but it's for the kids - it's to sell plastic Sonics and MMOGs. Not that there's anything wrong with that but ... the glory days are done.

  • Sept. 15, 2012, 8:24 p.m. CST

    Getting the episode now...

    by gotilk

    even though the DVR grabbed it. The DirecTV is a bit... used at the moment and I cannot wait!! So excited. AND THANKS Darthdevious.

  • Sept. 15, 2012, 8:32 p.m. CST


    by GeptaOO1

    i wrote you another e-mail

  • Sept. 15, 2012, 8:45 p.m. CST


    by gotilk

    Oh cool! Now that I have Internet again I'll answer. My DSL went down conveniently a week before I move. Sucks. They say it's a problem at the central office, but have not fixed it yet. They tried to do a *truck roll* (150 bucks) but I told them not to bother... it's always been the CO issues. They tend to re-route connections , probably to save money and lower bandwidth, hoping customers will not notice. I noticed. lol. They added like 4000 feet to my connection that they said didn't make any sense. Anyway... neighbor's wireless until its fixed or I move and change providers next week. :( Hope all is well with you.

  • Sept. 15, 2012, 8:53 p.m. CST

    octavian and rebel scum re: overcomplicating

    by chronicallydepressedlemming

    to be fair to the show, I find these docbacks end up filled with overcomplicated speculation far more than what the truth turns out to be! ;-)

  • Sept. 15, 2012, 8:54 p.m. CST

    rebel scum re: light bulbs

    by chronicallydepressedlemming

    as I said above, it's because of the Angels coming in the Ponds' exit episode. They f**ed with the electrics in Blink.

  • Sept. 15, 2012, 9:28 p.m. CST

    hronicallydepressedlemming, you may be right

    by DoctorTom

    They messed with power systems in Time of the Angels/ Flesh and Stone also. If it turns out to be true, then it's a nice low key way to do it, much like the RTD clues for Bad Wolf or Mr. Saxon. It's probably for the best that we don't see the Angels in the episode, but it might have been amusing for one shot of a showdown at high noon with the Doctor and a Weeping Angel out in the street, facing each other, with the Angel not able to do anything because everyone's watching. Then the crowd grumbling because it's the worst showdown ever.

  • Sept. 15, 2012, 9:32 p.m. CST

    kalsavik - welcome! and, some possible answers for you

    by DoctorTom

    My Doctor was Tom Baker (started with part 3 of Robot), so I know the feeling of the fun before and how it's fun again. When the Doctor's talking about experiencing new emotions, I've been taking it as meaning that it's new for this regeneration, not necessarily that it's new for the Doctor as a whole. In The End of Time, you had Tennant telling Wilf that even though he'll regenerate, he'll die and that it's a different person who will walk away. So, it might be the Doctor's view that those emotions from long ago were actually experienced by different people even though they were earlier regenerations.

  • Sept. 15, 2012, 9:38 p.m. CST

    The Doctor getting darker

    by DoctorTom

    Yes, they're trying to make a point of it being the Doctor having spent more time away from humans (even though he's supposedly been travelling through time and space and interacting with the humans). One other thing to consider though is that some of this might just be time catching up with him. Remember back in School Reunion you had the Doctor telling Anthony Stewart Head that he used to be so full of mercy when he was younger. The Doctor running around now is 300 years older than when he made that statement, and 100 years older than when he got married. Most of that 300 years it seems that he's been on his own - looking for Melody for 100 years, 100 years between the end of The God Complex and Closing Time, and now another 100 years between The Wedding of River Song and A Town Called Mercy. Yes, he's had some adventures with other people - Dinosaurs on a Spaceship wasn't the first time the Doctor had met Riddell, and there's been a few other adventures, and meetings with River doubtlessly, but you had the Ponds worried that they might show up at home again visibly aged, so there hasn't been *that* much time for the 300 years that he's had company around. So, he might be feeling the weight of all those years on his shoulders.

  • Sept. 15, 2012, 9:39 p.m. CST

    Merrick, you tease

    by DoctorTom

    Is there indeed a Whotininnies posted, and is there a link to it?

  • Sept. 15, 2012, 9:42 p.m. CST

    Oh, I should say something about the episode

    by DoctorTom

    I did enjoy this. No, it's not The Girl Who Waited, but it was entertaining, and any plot holes there were didn't really snap my reality suspenders, as it were (unlike Curse of the Black Spot). Ben Browder was good in this for the amount he was in it, and the moral dilemma they put into the story was a good one for having here. Next week's show should be interesting.

  • Sept. 15, 2012, 9:42 p.m. CST

    NEW Whotininnies

    by Ken Plume

    Whotininnies 12: Frown Called Murray Ken and Glen return from the Phantom Zone with an episode that catches up on new Who, dives into The Black Hole, naval gazes paradoxes, and even manages a theme song for McG.

  • Sept. 15, 2012, 9:48 p.m. CST

    Thanks, Ken!

    by DoctorTom

    It's nice hearing the theme song again. I sent you a donation like you asked at the very beginning for the website, I hope others can do so too.

  • Sept. 15, 2012, 9:50 p.m. CST


    by gotilk

    Thanks you Ken, Merrick! By the way, loved the episode. Really exciting and brilliant! They are really trying for something different. It shows, and it shines.

  • Sept. 15, 2012, 9:51 p.m. CST

    Is *Phasers on Stunned* the real name of the episode?

    by gotilk

    Or... am I grabbing the wrong mp3?

  • Sept. 15, 2012, 9:54 p.m. CST

    What a night!!

    by gotilk

    Three of my favorite things in the world in one night. Fantastic!

  • Sept. 15, 2012, 9:54 p.m. CST

    gotilk - Right episode, wrong title...

    by Ken Plume

    Now fixed.

  • Sept. 15, 2012, 9:55 p.m. CST

    doctortom - Many thanks

    by Ken Plume

    Helps keeps all of this ridiculousness going...

  • Sept. 15, 2012, 9:57 p.m. CST


    by Rebel Scumb

    I agree, and I've always been very much a simplest solution is usually the correct one sort, not just with Who but going back to old talkbacks for LOST or BSG or whatever I think what me and Octavian are referring to though is I find a lot of the Moffat era episodes have incredibly complex setups/premises, which isn't in and of itself bad, infact it can be good, except half the episode is spent on setting the table, so the actual meal ends up being too short, and to us at least not satisfying As I put it in a previous docback, the episodes often feel oddly paced, with sort of a ration of 60% beginning, 25% middle and 15% climax. Where as if they were turned into 2 parters the story could have more meat, and a more satisfying climax, or otherwise a simpler set up would mean that you could get a ration like 15% set up, 60% middle, 25% payoff, which feels more satisfying ( to me anyways) as a way to pace an hour of TV

  • Sept. 15, 2012, 9:57 p.m. CST

    chronicallydepressed... re: lightbulbs

    by Rebel Scumb

    good call!

  • I thought that was him under all the makeup in the previews, and even once he did show up as Isaac in the episode I figured he was playing both roles and was surprised in the credits to find out he didn't

  • Sept. 15, 2012, 10:05 p.m. CST

    Okay, that was a different seque in the podcast

    by DoctorTom

    though now I'm going to keep thinking of Moffat doing Charlie's Weeping Angels because of your bringing up the movie. I could even see Moffat having a poster put together for it, with 3 Weeping Angels in the Charlie's Angels poses pretty much (though at least one should have their eyes hidden by their hands), with the Doctor standing behind them and smirking.

  • Sept. 15, 2012, 10:07 p.m. CST

    Rebel - you weren't the only one

    by DoctorTom

    I thought it might turn out to be him too. In fact... ......SPOILERS..... When Isaac died I wondered if the Doctor was going to try to convert him so that he'd still live.

  • Sept. 15, 2012, 10:36 p.m. CST

    Enjoyed it, but for goodness' sake...

    by david

    ... there's no need for the script to loudly spell out what we the audience are supposed to be thinking. The whole "you wish I was simply one thing or the other so you could judge me" speech took me out of the show completely. It's like the actors were reading what they hoped good reviews would be saying tomorrow am. Same with Amy's "we can't do this or else we'll be just like him" line. Blimey that was poor, and didn't need saying so bluntly. Still, lots of good stuff. And the Doctor is really changing his relationship with Rory & Amy. I don't think we've ever seen companions challenge him like that have we? Especially not a companion showing more moral fibre than The Doctor. That was a very odd moment. The only other big bug was the cyborg's reasoning. "I won't come into the town because I might hurt someone. But I'm tired of waiting, so unless you give him to me I'm going to enter the town and shoot everyone." Eh? That really took some putting aside.

  • Sept. 15, 2012, 10:51 p.m. CST

    Is the title sequence getting darker?

    by veteran_of_mu

    I haven't watched carefully to compare but ... did this one seem even murkier to you?

  • Sept. 15, 2012, 10:52 p.m. CST

    Answering the podcast question

    by DoctorTom

    of what movie I'd want to see rereleased in high definition quality - Doctor Strangelove, Or How I Learned to Stop Worrying And Love The Bomb. with more thought I might come up with something else, but that's my first thought that I'd want to go see on the big screen with other people. (My second choice might be Buckaroo Banzai, which I was lucky enough to see in a theater, but not as good as theaters are now.) Addressing Ken's choice - I did see Flash Gordon in the theater way back when; I don't know if I'd go see it again. I don't know if we'll get Raiders here where I live - it didn't show up here. Heck, the closest that Branded is playing is about 300 miles away (I just checked BoxOfficeMojo, I hadn't realized that it only played for 3 days and only 307 theaters). It would be nice to see the theaters rerelease the old films in good quality, but for the most part, where I live my best bet for seeing those kinds of movies are if they are part of Fathom Events and will play one time only.

  • Sept. 15, 2012, 10:55 p.m. CST

    Caractuspotts - I think so

    by DoctorTom

    that was the impression I was getting, especially at the very beginning. Maybe this is being done to reflect the Doctor's moods. Another thing I thought I noticed last week was when they were in the TARDIS and we saw the brief glimpse of the console, the fluid bottle thing on the console was much lower in pink fluid than last season, which was lower than season 5 (it was pretty much full then). I'm wondering if we'll get a show where it goes empty.

  • Sept. 15, 2012, 10:59 p.m. CST

    Good podcast, Glen and Ken!

    by DoctorTom

    It was highly enjoyable, especially when you were digging into the other movies in the latter part. The talk about the old movies and how they should do those nowadays is very good (and got me to put some thoughts on it down a couple of posts above this). I like how you seem to always say it's about time to wrap it up and still go a half hour after that. Hope you can keep them coming!

  • Sept. 15, 2012, 11:35 p.m. CST

    Kinda got it wrong

    by Committed Positivist

    I gotta say, this felt like the traditional second episode slump, except in episode three. Last week's episode was about taking some classic adventure sci-fi/tropes (ark in space, dinosaurs, the mercantilist trader, the missile countdown, etc.) and spinning it into a fun romp. This week took the same strategy: A soup of tropes (cyborgs, the reformed doctor, the holed up town, the reluctant marshal, etc.), except that it failed to hold together for me. One biggie was that as an American with a pretty firm understanding of history -- even our make believe history, I actually had an argument with my girlfriend about whether this episode was set in real America, or an America-reboot on a new planet. I wanted it to be alien America since it so clearly didn't make sense as the real one. :P [In a nutshell: Accents were more southern than western, no white people in the old west would go to a church with a black minister, etc. etc. etc.] I guess it was sort of a British person's take on it based on our history as viewed through our moves? Which is why it feels like a kitschy alien version of our world -- a bit like the hotel in the "God Complex", except not as smart. That out of the way, the episode had other problems. Other than a few iconic moments with the Doctor (and Susan the horse), it made some super ham handed points -- the parallels between the two doctors, Amy lecturing the doctor on morality (haven't we been over this many times so far? And we didn't really get to see how the Doctor got to 'this place' in his moral arc -- even at his worst in Demon's Run, he wasn't ready to do this), basically a by-the-numbers plot, and a super weak resolution to a complicated moral scenario. You could have gotten away with a misfire in *one* of these places, but not all of them.

  • Sept. 16, 2012, 12:03 a.m. CST

    Much Ado About WTF

    by Antimaster

    I read above the show was a little "off." I completely agree. The Ponds are part of the problem as they are quite clearly a contrived plot device now, and not realistic companions any longer, playing out their last episodes. But the bigger issue is that there is a very nondescript plotline going on that is poorly defined and hasn't really lived up to the expectations of "Who is the The Doctor?" that we have been waiting for since the last ep of season 6. Where are we going? What is the endgame? Is there any real danger of the Doctor going psycho? I think that these questions are all red herrings to distract from the bigger picture, but that in itself is the problem. There is supposed to BE a bigger picture that we have some vision of, but in these first episodes, that picture has not even been glimpsed. Now if this were a 22 episode thing, it would be different. But with 13, well, each ep takes on a much more significant role. I feel that these last two episodes have been treading a lot of water, with the intention of making us doubt the stability of the Doctor for some reason. I, for one, am not impressed. I have Ep 2 a 2.5/5, and this one only a 3/5. The stories are not engaging at all since the first one, which had its own contrivances. Needs to get on with the story. Pronto.

  • Sept. 16, 2012, 1:01 a.m. CST

    @DoctorTom *spoiler?"

    by kalsavik

    Aye, I remember the scene, thought Tennent and Cribbens were quite good together during tht run. Not 100% sure about the spoiler tab so thought best to cover it just in case. Usually after a change it takes a while for the Regeneration to settle, which is fair enough, but the Dr is quite advanced now in this incarnation, and yet we are still having the "oh thats new" moments as we saw in AGMGTW and in Mercy also..(not sure if im going to agree with the darker side thats doing the rounds) but somethings certainly off kilter, and the Moff does think long term..time for a coffee i think ttfn

  • Sept. 16, 2012, 1:44 a.m. CST

    Three episodes - three sets of broken /flickering lightbulbs

    by penhapus

    What happens in a fortnight when the lights go out?

  • Sept. 16, 2012, 3:10 a.m. CST

    Did anyone notice...

    by Kevin Bolinger

    that in this entire episode, not once did we here the "I Am the Doctor" theme....ould this have simply been because of the western setting...or could the meaning for it be even deeper? Time will tell...

  • Sept. 16, 2012, 3:40 a.m. CST

    EP3 was okay, nothing more though. 3/5. Waiting for it to pick up now.

    by Bradly Durant

  • Sept. 16, 2012, 3:48 a.m. CST

    3 eps in, and something is not right this year.

    by SgtHowie

    I was thinking this after last night's episode and see others are saying the same thing here. Three decent episodes, not great, not dire, but something feels wrong and I'm wondering if the issue could be the companions? They are pretty much dead men walking so to speak, it has been known for a LONG time that they are on the way out. Throwing in the next companion in Asylum of the Daleks was a neat surprise but it has sort of made it feel all the more like Amy and Rory have outlived their usefulness. I'm not knocking Amy and Rory, who I'm very happy with as companions, but with the benefit of hindsight I'm wondering whether they should have gone in the OPENING story of this season. A big headline grabbing two part farewell to get the season off to a flying start. The dinosaurs and the Western episodes do have the feel of just being there to fill some time before the companions are switched. However, since they still DO have Arthur Darvill in this little batch of episodes I think it is bloody CRIMINAL not to use him! He needn't have been in Mercy at all! RORY should have been forced to become the marshall (with Amy as deputy) while the Doctor was trapped down a mineshaft or something with the war criminal. Overall, I'm not unhappy with the season and do still trust in the Moff to bring on the fireworks for the anniversary year!

  • Sept. 16, 2012, 3:57 a.m. CST

    They are preparing us for something, imo

    by HornOrSilk

    Just think -- the Doctor is having troubles keeping his rage in check. What will happen to him if something happens to Amy and Rory?

  • Sept. 16, 2012, 4:20 a.m. CST

    Something is not right

    by HornOrSilk

    I think part of this is that the show is different this year. We have become so used to a strong narrative connection between episodes, it feels odd not to have it.

  • Sept. 16, 2012, 4:56 a.m. CST

    Something is not right. And it has a name.

    by veteran_of_mu

    Caroline Skinner. Compare this interview of Moff with Skinner - - very close to an argument, knives out, not meeting each others' eyes, her arms crossed and unsmiling, not getting his jokes ... ... with this interview of Willis & Wegner with writer Toby Whithouse - - where they are clearly and obviously delighted to be working on DW together. It is obvious that Skinner is behind the changes we've seen. In interviews she repeatedly claims that DW is ~bigger than Carrie Bradshaw now~ as if any Whovian gives a rats about mainstream acceptability. She talks about the locations and emotions rather than the plots and twists. She is obviously not a geek - the opposite of a geek. She's a square. And Moffatt has actually encoded a secret message to let us know how he really feels about Skinner. In welcoming her to the show he called her DW's ~Prime Minister~ ( Well now who's the first Prime Minister Moffatt wrote about after Skinner produced that appalling Christmas episode? That's right ... this one: . The first thing the Dalek Prime Minister does is abduct the Ponds turn the show into a madhouse. That's what Moffatt thinks of Skinner. Let's hope he can get her to forget Doctor Who as quickly as her fictional equivalent did.

  • Sept. 16, 2012, 4:59 a.m. CST

    Oh, should have numbered that one. Um, Meta-HAT #1.

    by veteran_of_mu

  • Sept. 16, 2012, 5:03 a.m. CST

    Spoiler: Yeah for Susan!

    by leehb

    The first gay horse on the tube! I love it!

  • Sept. 16, 2012, 5:10 a.m. CST

    Meta-Hat.... lol

    by GeptaOO1

    that theory seems quite SOUND..... fire that lady ASAP please

  • Sept. 16, 2012, 5:14 a.m. CST

    don't get me wrong... i've been enjoying the episodes...

    by GeptaOO1

    I especially enjoyed Asylum of the Daleks.... but.... the season just doesn't feel as EPIC as past seasons have been.

  • Sept. 16, 2012, 5:21 a.m. CST

    netflix and doctor who

    by GeptaOO1

    I wish netflix had the older Doctor Who episodes organized better than they do.... Do they have complete seasons of older episodes, or just random eps here and there? I'd love to go back and watch old episodes that i grew up on.... i know there are quite a few episodes that i haven't seen.... but I've become one of those people that feels compelled to watch things in order....

  • Sept. 16, 2012, 5:36 a.m. CST

    mavalcar -- I think there is a "calm" before the storm

    by HornOrSilk

    I think the second half of the season is where the epic aspect of this season happens, as a fallout for the calm.

  • Sept. 16, 2012, 5:39 a.m. CST

    My guess as to what is going to happen

    by HornOrSilk

    Whatever happens to Amy and Rory completely and utterly destroys the Doctor's compassion. He goes off, in full rage, into a universe which has destroyed his sense of justice. The Doctor creates a lot of enemies - the eternal war against the Doctor. Something happens. Time comes out of joint. Centuries alone, the Doctor finds himself in a messed up universe and in it -- he finds -- Clara... We won't see the Doctor's rampage but only the results of it.

  • Sept. 16, 2012, 5:46 a.m. CST


    by GeptaOO1

    Next Weeks episode looks very promising.... some of the doctor-lite episodes are amongst my favorites "Love & Monsters" and "Blink" and of course The Angels Take Manhattan "promises" to be emotionally packed. Do we know when the holiday episode will be airing? and Do we know when the 2nd half of the season will begin airing in 2013?

  • Sept. 16, 2012, 5:49 a.m. CST

    @hornorsilk #2

    by GeptaOO1

    a fan fic story i'm working on right now involves what happens to the doctor when he ends up stuck alone somewhere....

  • Sept. 16, 2012, 5:53 a.m. CST

    If we were to get a multi doctor episode/special

    by GeptaOO1

    and several actors return..... does anyone think Christopher Eccleston would actually be willing to come back if even just for 1 episode? From what I've read.... I don't think he would ever be willing to play Doctor Who again...

  • Sept. 16, 2012, 5:54 a.m. CST

    mavalcar -- I agree, next week seems like it might be interesting

    by HornOrSilk

    Indeed, I am thinking it might be the best of the fall episodes. I don't know, but it has potential. I like the idea of a "slow invasion." Also, did I see the Cyborg in the clip?

  • Sept. 16, 2012, 5:57 a.m. CST


    by GeptaOO1

    I watch the show on BBCAmerica.... They shrink the clips, and everything is really small... I don't think I saw the Cyborg... is a promo for next weeks episode online yet? *runs to google*

  • I think he understands how big the show is, and, even if he doesn't like coming back often to things he moved on from, he might be convinced this time.

  • Sept. 16, 2012, 6:04 a.m. CST

    For example

    by HornOrSilk

  • Sept. 16, 2012, 6:26 a.m. CST


    by GeptaOO1

    GREAT article.... I didn't know Richard E. Grant would be in the Christmas special.... SPOILERS***** from the promo for "The Power of Three" I googled and found 2 promos for "The Power of Three" first promo In one of them Amy is narrating and saying "...except once. the year of the "Slow"??? invasion" not sure if i'm hearing the word correctly it sounds like she says "slow" Seems there are little black cubes everywhere.... there's a shot of one cube with numbers counting down? we see a glowing 5 disappear, replaced with a glowing 4. at 24 seconds in, there are aliens dressed in hospital scrubs, with hexagonal shaped mouths... at 29 seconds in there is a shot of a cyborg, but it is not the cyborg from "A Town Called Mercy" it is a different cyborg. 2nd promo The Doctor says "invasion of the very small cubes" we see a cube counting down from 4 to 3..... and later from 2 to 1, and even later from 1 to 0 there's a shot from space featuring a large space ship, and some weird effect going on around the planet earth. a small child's eyes glow blue, and then the child's whole face glows blue it looks really awesome.... but definitely not the same cyborg from "A Town called Mercy"

  • Sept. 16, 2012, 6:39 a.m. CST

    @ Doctorum

    by david

    What podcast are you commenting on & where can one find it? Sounds interesting...

  • Sept. 16, 2012, 7 a.m. CST

    Too complicated criticism

    by SgtHowie

    Maybe the complaints about Series 6 being too complicated have been taken onboard by Moffat? And maybe it is the new producer (Skinner) setting the new tone to some extent, Moffat being guided by her reactions to story lines and scripts? It does all feel pretty safe so far. A Town Called Mercy was very much more in the style of the simple Who stories from the old days. It could have been padded out to a six parter and slotted right in to Season 6 no problem! It may be relevant to the simplicity of ATCM that it was obviously a very CHEAP episode. The writer may have been very limited in what he was allowed to do? Maybe next week will be different, I have no idea because I don't even watch the Next Time trailers! Coming to a new episode completely in the dark should be compulsory for watching Doctor Who! :-)

  • Sept. 16, 2012, 7:15 a.m. CST

    Marshall... Ma'am... Fella.

    by LordBond

    Rory's response to being called "fella" was my favourite thing in an otherwise very mediocre episode. I was expecting a relentless, emotionless cyborg killing machine like Yul Brynner in Westworld. Giving him emotions and a silly voice lessened his impact and made him just seem petty. The final shot of him with the sheriff's badge was cringeworthy. I expected Dinosaurs on a Spaceship to be rubbish but found it highly entertaining. This episode was sadly the opposite: looked amazing, flopped dismally.

  • Sept. 16, 2012, 7:17 a.m. CST

    the little girl at the end of the episode....

    by GeptaOO1

    is she supposed to be someone perchance?

  • Sept. 16, 2012, 7:23 a.m. CST

    darthdevious, re: No Iam the doctor theme...

    by Rebel Scumb

    I did notice that mainly because while I love the theme I agree with a lot of docbacker that it has become over used and a bit too much of a crutch/formula on the show, so I was actually quite relieved when it didn't appear. It should be reserved for special moments, and not every episode. I love Murray Gold's music as a whole, both during the RTD era and the Moffat era, both have great scores, but in one respect where the RTD era is better for music is a MUCH greater variety of music from episode to episode, and season to season.

  • Sept. 16, 2012, 7:31 a.m. CST

    Interesting thought for a multi-Doctor story

    by HornOrSilk

    And it might be what the Moff is leading towards (but probably not). As I have speculated, the question, when asked, has anyone there face themselves, to discover themselves in a way which they have never done before. What if for the Doctor it brings out, from deep within his psyche, his former selves. They are not being brought back from time, in different points of his history, but from his own self. For those who had read it, think of Paul Cornell's interpretation of the internal life of the Doctor.... and having those past-selves brought back to life to face the living Doctor in the real world itself.

  • Sept. 16, 2012, 7:36 a.m. CST

    horn & caractus re: the show being off

    by Rebel Scumb

    The points about skinner seem a valid concern, any time the dynamic changes behind the cameras its going to have an effect. But I still maintain that there were a lot of writing problems even last season, and I still think the main problem with the show right now is the writing. Not just because there aren't necessarily big arcs at work yet this season. Afterall that worked fine in seasons 1-4, and you could even argue with season 5 all we knew about the big arc was the cracks at this point (3rd episode) I find it more that the episodes are interesting but not engaging, and much of that has to do with the pacing issues I've mentioned many times already and won't go into again. I can see that I'm watching a well produced show with likeable characters, but I at least am not feeling fully engaged, there's a distancing effect where I'm always aware I'm watching a TV show, I'm never concerned about anyones safety or curious about what will happen next, other than on the most basic level of the way you might flip through every page of a magazine in the dentist's waiting room, but never actually read a single article. When watching seasons 1-5, I cared about Rose, Eccelston, Tennant, Martha, Donna, Mickey, Smith, Amy and Rory. The danger felt palpable, there was a chance to get emotionally invested in the characters, and be intrigued by the mysteries. I just don't quite feel like this is doctor who anymore, and I don't mean it doesn't feel like 'my' doctor who, it's more just that I feel like someone is mimicing doctor who, but not quite pulling it off, and there's an overriding feeling of 'look how clever we are' 'look how quirky and weird we are' But I don't necessarily think 'clever' always equals smart or good. Anyways, I did think A Town Called Mercy was good, in the vein of something like 'the unquiet dead' or 'the lazarus experiment' it's not Blink, but its a decent one off that seems Great because it's been proceeded by (in my opinion) 2 really weak episodes and an absolutely dreadful xmas special. It's triumphant in that it never falls on its face.

  • Sept. 16, 2012, 7:41 a.m. CST

    But another thing to keep in mind, this is the 7th season of the show

    by Rebel Scumb

    8th if you count the specials season in 2008. Now forgetting for a moment this is doctor who, with its 49 year history, and just thinking of it as ANY TV show that started airing in 2004 and is now in it's 8th year, most shows eventually buckle when they've been at it that long, its almost inevitable. Doctor who is unique in that it can do a fairly sizeable reboot every few years to get some life back into it, but even so 8 years is long for a show, even a highly successful one. There was bound to be a slump eventually. Hell 10 years from now I could easilly see people saying something like 'oh yeah doctor who! That was good, seasons 7-9 were not that good, but then it got again in season 10-11. Shame they ended it, but I hear the BBC might bring it back in 2023' I do think though at this point the best thing for the show would be a completely new writing staff. Keep Smith and JLC to have a smooth transition, and then once the writers have been in for a year, do a regeneration and take it in a fresh direction. And there'd be no shame in that, Moffat has been at the helm now almost as long as RTD was.

  • Sept. 16, 2012, 7:45 a.m. CST

    re: the too complicated criticism

    by Rebel Scumb

    and just to be clear, I'm in no way against complex storytelling or ambitious ideas. far from it, I love that kind of stuff. But it has to be pulled off.

  • Sept. 16, 2012, 8:08 a.m. CST

    rebel scumb the problem is not that storylines are

    by spike fan

    ambitious or complex but that its not pulled off and the writers end it in a stupid way as possible that makes no sense. Last years revelation that supposedly River Song could regenerate and was Rory and Amy's daughter. Utterly pointless to the show and the ruination of a interesting charachter.

  • Sept. 16, 2012, 8:08 a.m. CST

    HAT #101038: flashing lightbulbs

    by James Grinnell

    Ok, yes, the flickering lightbulbs probably are hinting at the angels in a couple of episodes but... What if it's not connected to them. What if Oswin has somehow uploaded herself to the TARDIS or is somehow stalking the doctor through nearby computers, I've noticed that we've had POV shots from computer screens for the last couple of episodes, so maybe, Oswin has been in every episode so far?

  • Sept. 16, 2012, 8:14 a.m. CST

    Also my view of Moffats writing problems date back

    by spike fan

    to his Jeykell show. Had the same problems as Dr Who and the 2nd series of his Sherlock show. With over complicated storylines that end badly with the huge feeling that the writer feeling he is incredibly clever. The episodes he got credit for on Who were standalone with essentialy the same type of villan/plot.

  • Sept. 16, 2012, 9:04 a.m. CST


    by Rebel Scumb

    No we're in complete agreement on that

  • Sept. 16, 2012, 9:13 a.m. CST

    @Mavalcar - She was related to the voice-over/narrator woman

    by V'Shael

    The narrator's text kind of implied that.

  • Who is this Robert Holmes? Why have they given him so much writing time. His stories are bad...

  • Sept. 16, 2012, 10:30 a.m. CST

    Toby Whithouse step away from Doctor Who.

    by Smashing

    As you are surely, hopefully, done. Your episodes have been sequentially worse each time culminating with last nights emptiest episode of Doctor Who ever. Do these people not have feelings or emotions? are they in some way sociopathic and think this is how people react? It was, frelling terrible, it looked beautiful, contained some nice moments, though that really isn't enough to sustain interest and had little to no story, disjointed, dull, plodding plotting. After the high energy fun of last weeks episode once again the third episode of the season saw Who crash back down to merely entertaining. The whole thing now reeks of slight desperation and mass trying too hard. I'm a fan, always will be, think Moff can, though often doesn't, write amazing Who, I just don't understand how he thought that script which was really a bumper book of Western cliches brought to life was good enough. Even Matt Smith, who I have loved is begging to grate, his mood swings and mania have no grounds in what is going on and his reactions are so out touch with what is going on to render him pointless. High hopes for next weeks which looks like an exciting one.

  • Sept. 16, 2012, 10:31 a.m. CST


    by James Grinnell

    Absolutely agree. He'll not amount to anything that Robert Holmes. Although I don't think Holmes did any writing til Pertwee's first year? Could be wrong though, often am.

  • Sept. 16, 2012, 10:37 a.m. CST

    Loved the episode, easily the best one, yet. Spoilers.

    by wtriker1701

    It had an eerie atmosphere, a unique one, too. I loved The Gunslinger, loved Kahler-Jex, especially since this was a very ambivalent character. At first, I thought he would be some comic relief, but, quite the contrary. The setting was perfect, it really felt like some ancient American Town called Mercy. But, what can I say? BEN BROWDER!!! Makes you sooo miss FARSCAPE and even STARAGTE SG-1. It was good to see him again in such a sympathetic role, tragic as it was. On the other hand - I'm still curious about 200 missing years - do they still have a greater meaning? Our beloved Doctor claims, he's 1200 years old by now... (wait, does it make it now a 300 years difference???). So, might there be a catch in it, still? The 'blinking' light bulbs might be the Bad Wolf / Cracks in Time this year (and the following). I clearly hope, there's still an arc, that resolves the mysteries that began with Season 5 and The Eleventh Hour. That 'raging' Doctor seems to be a connection there... or not? The only criticism I would have, came with Matt Smith's performance as an angry Doctor. That might be very purposely made, but those are the times, where I'm still reminded of what of a David Tennant's Doctor fan i was/am. DT would have shown much more angriness than MS does. He just never seems to give up his smugness. He's clearly silent, where DT would have blown full throttle - just to have one of his 'Brilliant-Save-The-Day' ideas. That's where I got me that brilliant depth of the Doctor's psyche over the past seasons. But that's crying on a high level... (Still there's hope, to confront DT's Doctor with MS's one. 50th, here me out!!!!)

  • Sept. 16, 2012, 10:38 a.m. CST

    Multiple Doctors

    by donkey_lasher

    I can't see Tom Baker, Davison, or Colin Baker coming back now. McCoy would be good, but I gee t the feeling that we're only going to see one former Doctor return if any, for the 50th anniversery. The most prolific one. Paul McGann. His recent appearance with a new costume, and his continued interest in the universe of Who, makes me think The Moff is setting us up for him to return once the Doctor has had his 'Fall'

  • Sept. 16, 2012, 10:41 a.m. CST

    interested_third_party Holmes wrote TWO Troughton stories

    by HornOrSilk

    Krotons Space Pirates Not the best start... The point I am trying to make is that even the best can make stinkers. (Not that I think any has been a stinker this season; I think they just have been safe, ST:TNG kind of safe).

  • Sept. 16, 2012, 10:44 a.m. CST

    the first four eps

    by emeraldboy

    all lead up to the ponds demise. the bbc has gone out of its way not to reveal what the power of three is about except to say that it feature black cubes falling from the sky. which is part of a slow invasion. whatever that means. this ep ties up in a big way the the ponds back story.

  • Sept. 16, 2012, 11 a.m. CST


    by Rebel Scumb

    I don't think anyone is arguing that Moffat can't write good Who, only that as of late overall the writing has not been up to par and I would argue the par is set pretty high by Moffat himself with some of his earlier scripts

  • Sept. 16, 2012, 11 a.m. CST

    haven't seen Space Pirates, But Krotons was pretty great

    by Rebel Scumb

  • Sept. 16, 2012, 11:01 a.m. CST

    The new McGann costume is so wrong

    by SgtHowie

    And I would guess not at all officially sanctioned. I'm not sure on the detail of it. Didn't McGann sort of make up a costume idea on the spot at a convention, then someone went out and bought him a jacket like what he had described? If I'm remembering the right photo, it didn't even fit him very well. McGann certainly DID want to have short hair as the Doctor but was not allowed to by the TVM producer. Whatever the origin of the costume, it is very very unlikely that McGann would be allowed to use it in a 50th anniversary episode for the simple reason that it is MUCH too close to Eccleston's costume. Even if Eccleston does not appear, having McGann there in a leather jacket (and short hair?) would make it look like he was playing the Ninth Doctor. Considering that the Eighth Doctor is so little remembered by viewers, making him look just like a different, and much more well-known, Doctor could be kinda confusing.

  • Sept. 16, 2012, 11:50 a.m. CST


    by Rebel Scumb

    That's a good point. Especially since McGann and Eccelston have fairly similar faces/builds

  • Sept. 16, 2012, 1:18 p.m. CST

    A patter of mercy

    by Dreamfasting

    I found the episode was an interesting platter of different ideas of mercy and redemption ... I didn't really look at it as a story with an ending but rather just an arrangement of different ideas where the ones ending in death had to be put at the end. My only quibbles were (1) that the Doctor's own personal arc of regret for the lives lost after his past attempts at mercy flips rather quickly into judging others on their interest in doing exactly what he was doing and (2) the townspeople were very quick to accept the rapid changes in who is sherrif ... although that interesting flip-flopping of who is protecting vs who is being protected against is at the core of what's being talked about. Our society has been going through a long decade of sometimes morally ambiguous conflict with a lot of people trying to figure out their place in the world after they come out of it. I think there are a lot of emotion at play that's good to put in front of kids ... and a wide-ranging story about scarred people that goes all over the place like this feels like a good idea to throw into the arc.

  • & NOT just the fact that he needs a full time companion to "talk him down" when needed as Amy did in this episode. I think that those who may be thinking his actions(despite the fact that most of the Universe currently thinks he is dead) are what actually leads to the formation of the Church, or to the exit & death? of one of the Ponds-- or perhaps it ties into the long unexplained storypoints re: the crack in the Universe, Who took control of the Tardis, why did it explode, Who is the voice behind "silence will fall" etc. As I've posted before, i think Moffat is playing a "long game" with some of these plot points & the Doctor going darker is a part of that. Or--I may just be entirely wrong, but its fun to speculate

  • Sept. 16, 2012, 1:25 p.m. CST

    asiandawn - It's the Whotininnies podcast that Ken and Merrick do

    by DoctorTom

  • Sept. 16, 2012, 1:57 p.m. CST

    Just a thought on "Silence will fall"

    by DoctorTom

    If the Order of the Silence was founded to keep the Doctor from asking the question (presumably at the Fields of Trenzalore, since there don't seem to be any consequences so far of the Doctor asking Doctor Who? when he was dancing around his TARDIS at the end of Asylum of the Daleks), and the Doctor *does* get to ask the question at the Fields of Trenzalore, then wouldn't the Order of the Silence by definition fall because they failed at their designated purpose? And, was the statement always signifying the fall of the Order?

  • Sept. 16, 2012, 2:09 p.m. CST

    Why are people so interested in the human-dalek conversion...

    by Seph_J

    ...that was done to Oswin in Asylum? It isn't the first time we've seen that.....

  • Sept. 16, 2012, 2:10 p.m. CST


    by david

    Ta for that

  • Sept. 16, 2012, 2:45 p.m. CST

    Interesting theory, doctortom! And I tend to think...

    by wtriker1701

    ...that the answer lies within The Singing Towers! Well, at least what The Moff's involvement DW regards, I still can't see a bigger arc since Silence In The Library. The Empty Child / The Doctor Dances 'seem' like a standalone. 'Blink' has - to date - been the start of The Weeping Angels. So I still like to think, that part of the answers lie in the Library two-parter, where River Song has her (apparently) last appearance, where she says Good-Bye for all of us... and where the great reward (Answers!) could lie for everyone of us who keeps guessing... For all we know, The Moff has made A GREAT STEP (since then) to let a character know the Doctor's biggest secret. HIS NAME. And her last being-together-with-you-know-Who up to The Library are The Singing Towers and the giveaway int he likes of his sonic screwdriver. That would be the biggest pay-off I can think off... Man, am I waiting for the next months... (and I KNOW, I'm not alone... ;-) )

  • Sept. 16, 2012, 3:22 p.m. CST

    I bow to nobody in my love of Doctor Who

    by Timmid

    But we are kidding ourselves to start thinking up deeper meaning in whats going on at the moment or coming up with complex story lines. Moff has proved time and time again that, whilst he bigs up events and has characters big them up there , in the end, is little substance. "That is the Doctor and he really is dead".( No it wasn't and no he isn't) " At his his highest point he will fall further than he's fallen before" --cue all of five minutes where the Doctor reaches his highest point ( or so one of the characters tells us) and then his lowest, and then its all back to normal. I'll just take every moment as it comes and not expect too much-- won't be disappointed that way.

  • Sept. 16, 2012, 3:28 p.m. CST


    by Timmid

    Tend to agree. Whats really scary for me is that Smith is up there for me with Troughton & Baker as my favourtite Doctors but I just get the feeling that poor writing is going to kill his character. The complete mess of him walking ionto a saloon like Bob Hope last night and then threatening to kill Jex WITH A GUN was horrible. One joke about that freakin horse would have been enough to but to have the Doctor carry on a whole conversation with it, wasn't funny for me, it was excruciating

  • Sept. 16, 2012, 5:38 p.m. CST

    It looks like we have a theme for this season.

    by Royston Lodge

    The theme for this season had its start back in The Waters of Mars. The Doctor follows rules. He follows the rules of the Time Lords. But he's the last of the Time Lords. So who is left to enforce the rules? In The Waters Of Mars, he started his nihilistic journey of rule-breaking by changing history. This season, it appears to be the rule against killing that he's having trouble with...

  • Sept. 16, 2012, 5:40 p.m. CST

    Oh, and I really enjoyed A Town Called Mercy.

    by Royston Lodge

    For what it's worth. I was disappointed by Dinosaurs On A Spaceship, and I wasn't completely jazzed by Asylum of the Daleks either, but this episode made up it.

  • Sept. 16, 2012, 5:43 p.m. CST

    timmid: I think The Doctor's decline is long-term, like ancient Rome's.

    by Royston Lodge

    According to canon, The Doctor only has two regenerations left. It would be foolish for his lowest moment to happen as Matt Smith. The Doctor is feeling his mortality. Death's knuckle's are rapping at his door. It's no wonder he decided to marry after so long as a bachelor. He needs to repopulate the species.

  • Sept. 16, 2012, 6:01 p.m. CST


    by GeptaOO1

    I'm curious.... where/when does it say how many regenerations the Doctor has? Are there exceptions to the rule. Also... anyone know the specifics on what would stop the doctor from regenerating? More specifically, if a time lord were to say slit his own wrists, hang himself, shoot himself, or otherwise try to commit suicide.... would said time lord still regenerate?

  • Sept. 16, 2012, 6:06 p.m. CST


    by Royston Lodge

  • Sept. 16, 2012, 6:06 p.m. CST

    Mavalcar: Your answer, from Wikipedia...

    by Royston Lodge

    It is first stated in The Deadly Assassin (1976) that a Time Lord can regenerate twelve times before dying (thirteen incarnations in all). There are exceptions to this rule, however; when a renegade Time Lord known as the Master finds himself at the end of his regenerative cycle, he takes possession of the body of another person to continue living (The Keeper of Traken, 1981), although he was using the Source of Traken to bind his mind to the body. It may be that the Time Lords also have the ability to circumvent the limit – in The Five Doctors (1983) the Master is offered a new cycle of regenerations by the High Council in exchange for his help. The fact that the Master is inhabiting a non-Gallifreyan body at the time implies that it is possible to grant them to a non-Gallifreyan, albeit one inhabited by a Time Lord mind (although River Song is shown to have the ability to regenerate due to altered DNA that has similarities to Time Lord DNA, a side effect of being conceived in a TARDIS). In "The Sound of Drums" (2007) the Master is revealed to have been granted a new body by the Time Lords during the Time War with at least two new regenerations. Non-Gallifreyans are also seen to regenerate in Underworld (1978) and Mawdryn Undead (1983), but with adverse side effects. In Mawdryn Undead these appear to be the result of mishandling stolen technology, but in Underworld they are implied to be the inevitable result of limited technology that reinvigorates, rather than transforms, the subject's appearance (in this case, the Minyans, with whom the Time Lords shared much of their technology), thereby regenerating 'the body, not the soul'.

  • Sept. 16, 2012, 6:08 p.m. CST

    mavalcar-13 regens was established in the old series

    by glenn_the_frog

    Of course, when they established that, it was a forever away and they were never REALLY going to get that far... They were only on doctor 5 by the 25th anniversary. No one knew the show was going to run (more or less) for another 30 years. The master managed to workaround his 13 regen limit, and the timelords offered him a new cycle of regenerations... so it is dodgeable. And River apparently gave him all of hers... to whatever end. If they were completely set on suicide, they could probably manage it, as an extreme massive head wound/decapitation would probably be too much to regenerate from... but things like bullets, vital organs being hit, or even severed limbs won't stop them from regeneration... (and within 12 hours of a regeneration they have extreme healing and recuperative abilities.)

  • Sept. 16, 2012, 6:11 p.m. CST

    pleasant so-called slump, I feel!

    by Kathryn Gail

    I. . . am actually enjoying this writing 'slump' that's all about romping through different worlds and a bit less than about running all the main characters through their acting-school exercises for a third of the show while viewers try to spot Overarching Conspiracy clues, which can make for a good first watch but tends to turn into an I'll-go-make-popcorn-while for re-viewing even when it's exceptionally well done (sure, I'm calling out the good lines from the kitchen, but I don't really need to sit still for it). Amy and Rory in the corridors in The Doctor's Wife? I know it's heresy to critique Neil, but great as it was for the actors, you knew House could happily mind**** those poor kids all up and down the corridors for hours while the plot took a smoke break. It was VERY well done in The Girl Who Waited, but you could still feel the long slog coming a mile off. The clerics getting picked off in Time of Angels/Flesh and Stone, the confrontation of self with self in Rebel Flesh/Almost People, the grinding loss of supporting cast in God Complex (although I actually like this one more and more on re-watching). . . Don't get me wrong, these are all well-done, suspenseful and great for character development, but the pattern was getting a bit too pattern-y, and I'm glad we're spending a few episodes wondering what everyone's going to do next as much as what they're going to shout out in anguish about it if it doesn't let up. But then my inner six-year-old is pretty much in charge of TV time (while my inner tiresome windbag is in charge of docback time), so. . . there you have it!

  • Sept. 16, 2012, 6:26 p.m. CST

    Another possible theme for Series 7:

    by Royston Lodge

  • Sept. 16, 2012, 6:27 p.m. CST

    Another possible theme for Series 7: Lightbulbs

    by Royston Lodge

    Den of Geek points out that lightbulbs have been prominently displayed in all three episodes:

  • Sept. 16, 2012, 6:30 p.m. CST

    Oh, I see the lightbulbs were already brought up...

    by Royston Lodge

    I guess I should read the whole talkback before commenting.

  • Sept. 16, 2012, 6:41 p.m. CST

    Mavalcar - regenerations

    by DoctorTom

    As others have said, in the Classic series there were only 12 regenerations, so the Doctor should have only one left considering Tennant used up the regeneration energy for one in Journey's End. As it stands now, things could have easily changed during the Time War. Since we know the Time Lords could already give people new regeneration cycles, it would make sense for them to have given the rest of the Time Lords more regenerations during the War. In the Sarah Jane Adventures story Death of the Doctor, when Clyde asked the (Matt Smith) Doctor how many times he could regenerate, he said 507. This might have been a joke. Of course, when Eccleston talked about regeneration as a way his people had of cheating death, he didn't talk about any limits on the number of regenerations - it might or might not have been something to have mentioned if there were a limit to the number of times then. Another point to consider - the Valeyard stated that he was the Doctor between his 12th and final regeneration. At the time, people thought that might mean he was a projection like Cho-Je in Planet of the Spiders or the Watcher in Logopolis, but now it looks like it could mean just what it says - the Doctor has more than 12 regenerations possible.

  • Sept. 16, 2012, 6:46 p.m. CST

    and as for the history angle

    by Kathryn Gail

    I think somewhere up-thread. . . *20 min pause to pick back through* cpositivist and possibly others (apologies if I missed you) pointed out the improbability of a black clergyman in a Western U.S. town in 1869 (never mind the improbability of an alien cyborg + time travelers!), and. . . true, but. . . there were black cowboys and black soldiers out west, and I've read accounts of prominent black clergymen guest speaking at white churches back east (granted they were often written up by white journalists as being shining lights 'to their race' or what have you--not permanent hires!), so it's actually sort of plausible in a town where many residents feel their past warrants mercy--and more so immediately after the U.S. Civil War than, say, the 1920s (when Klan activity was peaking). I'm always more boggled in the historical romps that Amy isn't taken straight to jail (or otherwise, er, made off with) for showing all that leg. Has the TARDIS been formally credited with shifting perception as well as language (I could look that up but I bet a few of you know outright!)? But then in Tooth and Claw, it's only Queen Victoria's world-weariness that makes her overlook Rose's degree of undress. . . Actually, it was the throw-away line about guns that jarred me most. Right, fine, you can't REALLY set a show in a 100% accurate historical setting because nothing about word choice or motivation would make any sense without 600 pages of footnotes, so some of the jokes are bound to be present-day topical; and, yes, it did happen to be the Brits in this scene who seemed out of their depth. But. . . except in the case of violent crimes, I thought just HAVING a gun in the UK wasn't a big deal until. . . maybe. . . the 1870s?? Anyone? --and that serious gun control was really a 20th-century issue.

  • Sept. 16, 2012, 6:51 p.m. CST


    by GeptaOO1

    What would stop a regeneration from happening? would a suicide attempt stop a regeneration?

  • Sept. 16, 2012, 7:03 p.m. CST

    The Master refused to regenerate in Last Of The Time Lords.

    by Royston Lodge

    The Doctor begs The Master to regenerate, but The Master refuses to do so, because it's the only way he can truly defeat The Doctor. Presumably then, if The Doctor doesn't want to keep regenerating, he could simply choose not to.

  • Sept. 16, 2012, 7:57 p.m. CST

    Where He is Now

    by bongo dummy

    It isn't too far-fetched to theorize that the Doctor has spent much more time with the Ponds than they know about. While it is unlikely the show would have him spend an inordinate amount of time with them versus the time he spent with prior companions. Given how they are intertwined with this storyline, those missing gaps between visits with them may not be as big as Amy and Rory know. Consider the 10 month gap Amy mentioned. It is perfectly reasonable to see the Doctor just not returning a day or two after he left them. But, it is also perfectly reasonable that what was ten months between visits for Amy involved visits with River Pond and maybe past AND/OR future versions of Amy and Rory. It would explain how he is being foreboding about Amy's future. He already know it. Sure, from an acting perspective, in those awkward moment Smith (via direction/the script) could just be intimating that the Doctor realizes Amy/Rory won't live forever, or for a long time. But, what if the Silence has already Fallen? What if this 1100 year old Doctor has spent years with River Song? (I haven't looked back to the Day of the Astronaut but wasn't he close to 1100 when he (in the Tessalecta Thingamabob) met up with them in Utah?) I'm not trying to say it Probably is this sticky and complicated. But, it might partially explain his mood and his ethos. We really don't know--any more than Amy/Rory know--what point of his life he is at currently. To be candid, I'm not even really sure which version went through last season. Was it the 900 year old one or the older one? Is the one we have now the same one from the first two episodes? Great. Now I'm confused. For you guys with Bowtie theories: do you have conjecture on the red/blue versions being different ages?

  • Sept. 16, 2012, 8 p.m. CST

    by the first two episodes

    by bongo dummy

    By the 'first two episodes' I mean this season's, Dalek and Dinosaur ones.

  • Sept. 16, 2012, 8:10 p.m. CST

    bongodummy: Now you've got me wondering ...

    by Royston Lodge

    Thanks to the existence of Flesh doppelgangers and the Teselecta, how can we ever be certain that the Doctor we see on screen is The Doctor? It's entirely possible that The Doctor has already regenerated into #12 (or even #13), and the Doctor that is visiting with Amy and Rory is a doppelganger or a Teselecta. It's far-fetched, sure, but it's not outside the realm of the established logic of the show. Keep in mind that this series seems different from past series in that it's from the point-of-view of Amy & Rory's location along the timeline, and not The Doctor's location along the timeline. I'm pretty sure this is the first time the show has ever changed the temporal perspective like that.

  • Sept. 16, 2012, 8:11 p.m. CST

    the reason i was asking about the little girl

    by GeptaOO1

    was for some reason i thought it might somehow be a young Oswin... but now I'm thinking I was overthinking things

  • Sept. 16, 2012, 8:16 p.m. CST

    Ohh, Flesh doppelgangers or Teselecta also could be a way...

    by Royston Lodge

    ...we could get an episode with multiple Doctors. What if somebody made Flesh doppelgangers of previous incarnations for some nefarious purpose?

  • Sept. 16, 2012, 8:20 p.m. CST

    @mavalcar no it's a fair guess

    by Kathryn Gail

    There's a bit of physical similarity, and that diary voiceover could be Oswin reading an ancestor's diary (in the style of a Ken Burns documentary!).

  • Sept. 16, 2012, 8:48 p.m. CST


    by GeptaOO1

    What Time period was "A Town Called Mercy" set in.... more specifically, was it set during the mid to late 1800's? The Christmas special is set sometime during the Victorian Era, which ran from 1837-1901.... Something about the little girl and the narrator set off my Oswin Alarms.... My HAT is that the little girl grows up to become the woman that will be the Doctor's new companion.... color me officially HAT crazy!!!

  • Sept. 16, 2012, 8:56 p.m. CST


    by Kathryn Gail

    I believe at one point Isaac mentioned that 'the war' only ended 5 years ago, and I assumed he meant the U.S. Civil War, so that would be 1870 (I believe I said 1869 further up the thread, but that is because I've had this hard-wired glitch since childhood that makes me keep thinking the war ended in 1864, which is wrong!).

  • Sept. 16, 2012, 9:28 p.m. CST

    multitask fail re wars!

    by Kathryn Gail

    Haha--I THINK I can watch shows and talk on the phone while typing, and what do I produce re war dates: a vague half-an-answer! I don't recall that any western North American territory was named in ATCM (T/F??), but there's no reason for 'the war' to have been anything but the U.S. Civil War unless (as others have proposed) this is an alternate Earth. Everything else on soon-to-be U.S. land was too early for the classic cowboy-look attire in the episode, or, in the case of various later Indian wars, very localized and unlikely to have been described by white people of the day as having caused behavior requiring mercy. I forget exactly what the Doctor said about how much too early the electric street lights were (anyone recall?), but I believe the earliest to actually light a town (rather than a lab) in the U.S. were in the 1880s and still sort of iffy until the 1890s.

  • what's happened?? and the previews for next week don't look any better. I think the new companion is badly needed and I see why they will bring one in. Amy kinda always got on my nerves.

  • Shows gone too G

  • Sept. 16, 2012, 11:33 p.m. CST

    Clues in The Big Bang?

    by Cletus1974

    I can't help but think that the Big Bang episode has something to do with the current season. Couple of things come to mind that I don't think have ever been mentioned again. First, the Doctor touches his sonic to the sonic Rory was given to unlock the Pandorica, and there is a spark confirming that they are indeed one in the same. However when the Doctor appears after having been shot by the stone Dalek, he touches his past self and whispers in his ear, and nothing, nada. Isn't crossing his own timeline supposed to be bad? Shouldn't there have been some spark or something to indicate that they were indeed one in the same? Second when the Doctor goes into the heart of the exploding Tardis River says something to the effect of "the Doctor will be erased from the Universe, everyone everywhere will forget him" (could explain why he didn't come up on the scanner last episode). And finally, did the Doctor step into the crack in the wall? We never actually see what he does. He just says he wants to skip to the end because he "Hates repeats". What end did he skip to? I mean the cracks were closing as he travelled back along his time line. But maybe it wasn't his timeline? Maybe he was travelling back along Amy's timeline. Doesn't the Doctor make a big deal about the perils of crossing one's own timeline in the first episode of the next season? Isn't that why he has the Tesselecta deliver the blue letters? Maybe he skips to Amy's least it wouldn't be a repeat. Sorry, tired, rambling. Makes sense in my head.

  • Sept. 16, 2012, 11:49 p.m. CST

    More on my previous post

    by Cletus1974

    Oh, and the lightbulbs, flickering, or going out in this season could be an allusion to the light from the Pandorica going out and the universe or the doctor is blinking out of existence.

  • Sept. 17, 2012, 12:25 a.m. CST

    It was passable

    by William Schwartz

    I must admit that although it wasn't a stellar episode; it certainly wasn't terrible. I'm definitely curious about the overall theme of this season and where it's all heading.

  • Sept. 17, 2012, 12:34 a.m. CST

    I wear a Stetson now...

    by Cletus1974

    So when the Doctor says this in Mercy, it seemed like the first time he had worn a Stetson hat. In The Impossible Astronaut it seemed more declaratory, like yeah this is me now, I wear a Stetson...right before River shoots it off his head putting a bullet hole in the same spot as the hat from Mercy.

  • Sept. 17, 2012, 1:19 a.m. CST

    Mark Shepherd....

    by GeptaOO1

    guest starred in the season finale of Leverage tonight.... One of the characters, used the alias Agent Tennant..... Great episode

  • Sept. 17, 2012, 3:03 a.m. CST

    missing docbackers....

    by GeptaOO1

    man of virtue and the other missing docbackers.... we miss you

  • Sept. 17, 2012, 3:52 a.m. CST

    It's nearly 2am California time....

    by GeptaOO1

    what are all my UK docbacker friends up to?

  • Sept. 17, 2012, 3:53 a.m. CST

    The Doctor's Stetson

    by GeptaOO1

    is there a place where we can by the same Stetson?

  • Sept. 17, 2012, 4:30 a.m. CST

    bbc went out of its way to deny that matt smith had

    by emeraldboy

    quit dr who. Smith said that he found the role exhaustive and in an exclusive interview with empire magazine, the interviewer noted that Smith looked Exhausted. it is an enormous commitment and it has taken up three years of his life. so I wouldnt be suprised if he does decide to bow out. bbc has other ideas. and refuted any idea that the he is going anywhere.

  • Sept. 17, 2012, 4:41 a.m. CST


    by GeptaOO1

    Are you saying there are places that ARE reporting that Matt Smith has quit?

  • Sept. 17, 2012, 4:43 a.m. CST

    is there a prequel to "A Town Called Mercy" ?

    by GeptaOO1

    i'm hearing/reading that there is one...

  • Sept. 17, 2012, 4:45 a.m. CST

    If Matt Smith had actually quit,

    by V'Shael

    the BBC couldn't deny it. His agent would be looking for work, Matt would have announced it somewhere, probably to a large audience much the way Tennant did. Remember there are several (I use the term laughingly) newspapers in the UK which are about as credible as the Weekly World News rag in the US. They just don't make up stories like Bat-Boy. They make up other stuff, which is more plausible, but still fiction.

  • Sept. 17, 2012, 4:46 a.m. CST

    Yes there is :

    by V'Shael

  • Sept. 17, 2012, 4:55 a.m. CST


    by GeptaOO1

    thank you for that link...

  • Sept. 17, 2012, 4:56 a.m. CST

    The Doctor and Regenerations

    by GeptaOO1

    Could River have given the doctor extra regenerations?

  • Sept. 17, 2012, 5:01 a.m. CST

    The Power of Three ***SPOILER SUMMERY***

    by GeptaOO1

  • Sept. 17, 2012, 5:04 a.m. CST


    by GeptaOO1

    apparently that is only a teaser for the prequel... the full prequel is over a minute long.. I'm searching for it now

  • Sept. 17, 2012, 5:11 a.m. CST

    Season 7 trailer way back when made me think the cyborg was Browder

    by tangcameo

    Just under a lot of makeup. Thought the "Face me!" was his voice.

  • Sept. 17, 2012, 5:15 a.m. CST

    I think the loose threads this season will remain loose threads

    by tangcameo

    I don't think they'll add up to something, especially since we're losing the Ponds. I don't think we'll have any "doctor without his coat" moments or things like last season where most episodes where The Doctor's adventures were all related to him figuring out ways to cheat his own death (robot suit, goo doppleganger, etc).

  • Sept. 17, 2012, 5:18 a.m. CST

    Full Prequel - A Town Called Mercy

    by GeptaOO1

  • Sept. 17, 2012, 6:34 a.m. CST

    Thx mavalcar, great find! The idea made flesh.

    by wtriker1701

    Those prequels are beautifully made. As was the one for Asylum.

  • Sept. 17, 2012, 6:37 a.m. CST

    1200 - Spoilers!

    by wtriker1701

    That the Doctor is 1200 years old now makes me wonder... Are they really going for the Valeyard? Seems more possible than ever. I hope, there's a pay-off regarding his age!

  • Sept. 17, 2012, 8:36 a.m. CST

    I am not really liking this season

    by clupula

    Now I know last season was not that popular with a lot of people, but I felt like it was a great, darker turn for the series. Plus, it seemed to be a return to a more serial format, which I always like. I've never been a fan of "monster of the week" type shows. I've really liked moments of this season, but I can't say I've liked a single episode all the way through. Last year was probably my favorite year of the show, with the exception of whatever the episode with the guy from "The Lodger" was and the pirate ship episode.

  • Sept. 17, 2012, 8:43 a.m. CST

    Prequel - hmm, who are they fighting. . .

    by Kathryn Gail

    Okay, for a story, the great thing about a reluctant cyborg is the immediate sense of dread it causes the viewer, less from the idea of being hunted down than the idea of being turned into one, and DW has made good use of that since early on--kind of a stock science fiction thing. Still, today, a lot of these atmosphere-setting details connect to something, and. . . If Kahler Jex's homeworld was pretty advanced but losing the war, it would have been cheaper to go with WMD, or (supposing the cap on that was depleted resources) at least something fully mechanized since the population was already dwindling. Their enemy must either be holed up somewhere pretty complicated or hiding in plain sight if human(oid) discretion is such a factor. Was Kahler Jex's program 'just' one of those Unit 731-style wartime atrocities, or were they fighting someone we've seen before (and perhaps immediately forgot)?

  • Sept. 17, 2012, 8:47 a.m. CST

    The age thing ....

    by V'Shael

    It's just their way of dealing with the age problem. Eccleston and Tennant, thanks to the near continuous nature of thier episodes, make it look like the 9th and 10th incarnations lasted 7 years tops, from the age 898 to 904 or something. Matt has been something like 911, to 1200. He has spent literally centuries where the Ponds were his only human companions (and they were intermittant at best) and it leaves scope for so many off screen adventures too. He was 911 in the Impossible Astronaut, spent most of the first half of the season staying at that same age, then went away for a LONG time to hunt down River/Melody, and then once he dumped the Ponds, spent a LONG time doing a sort of last-tour of the universe. He was 1100 and change when he went to die at Lake Silencio. And since he's been married, he's spent the better part of another hundred years, travelling incognito and dropping in on the Ponds from time to time.

  • Sept. 17, 2012, 9:43 a.m. CST

    @Cletus's Stetson HAT

    by veteran_of_mu

    Same hat, same hole, timey wimey ... or some production assistant thought they could save a few bob by reusing the same Stetson and no one higher up cared enough to say no. It all comes down to a single question. Has the Moff sold out of continuity, or not? I'm willing to give him the next 2 episodes to tie something together. If not ... well, sure, he could always pull a rabbit out of his own Stetson come the anniversary. But given the patience required I'd have officially lost faith I think. OTOH, if Moff really has turned his back on the hard stuff, cool, just think how much fun we could have thinking up a proper answer to all this. I mean we'd really have to do it - the series would move on with Manic Matt and the girl who jiggled, and we poor diehards would just have to invent a long-game resolution of our own. Time will tell. Hey that's a title to conjure with ...

  • Sept. 17, 2012, 10:47 a.m. CST

    Moff had always given up on continuity.

    by V'Shael

    He's been on the record many many times as saying there's no such thing as continuity in a show that's so replete with Time Travel and mistakes.

  • Sept. 17, 2012, 10:58 a.m. CST

    v'shael: Yabbut, that in itself could become a theme of the story-telling.

    by Royston Lodge

    Why not take Doctor Who's history of not taking temporal logic seriously and write it into the long-term story arc. What if the continuity errors from the past 49 years aren't simply the result of it being a kid's show produced with a small budget and on a tight schedule, but rather a result of The Doctor's meddling? Over time, the damage to the timestream builds up. Really, that seems to be the recurring theme of the RTD and Moffat series.

  • Sept. 17, 2012, 10:59 a.m. CST

    bongodummy - Doctor's age (keeping track)

    by DoctorTom

    He was a bit over 900 (the younger version - it was 907 or 908) at the start of The Impossible Astronaut. The older version was 1103. He spent 100 years between A Good Man Goes to War and Let's Kill Hitler running around in the TARDIS, supposedly trying to find Melody. He's 1103 in The Wedding of River Song - the place the other 100 years would have happened would have been between the end of The God Complex and Closing time. He's 1200 in A Town Called Mercy. We know he's been spending longer periods of time away from the Ponds - apparently much longer for him than for them. How much time he spent with River is unknown. Presumably, during one of these long time gap periods he met Riddell, then nipped out before finally coming back much later in Dinosaurs on a Spaceship.

  • He rode a horse on a spaceship and through a time window, he rode a cute robot in The Waters of Mars, he got a lift from robot angels. Give him a chance to ride a dinosaur and you'd hear the cry Allons-y! followed by the Doctor galloping away on a dinosaur's back.

  • Sept. 17, 2012, 12:06 p.m. CST

    What if Oswin Oswald is really...

    by Andrew

    ...the new doctor. Just a pesky thought that came to me as I read some of the latest rumors. I know its likely untrue, but what a monumental swing that would be for the 50th anniversary. And going back to the Asylum episode, it sort of fits with the handiness she had with computers. Plus she was kind of hanging out in a Tardis-like environment inside that Dalek shell.

  • Rumor has it, and let me point out that that is all this is before I go any further, because I don't have any first hand information, but rumor has it that a significant rift has developed between Moffat's view of the show, and Skinner's, with some in the Moffat camp basically labelling Skinner as a latter day John Nathan-Turner (which I guess is better than a latter day Michael Grade, at least). On top of that, the working relationship between Skinner and the usually affable Matt Smith is, apparently, icy at best, as well. Word has it that Skinner is pretty much obsessed with Doctor Who being "American friendly", almost to what is percieved by some as being the detriment of everything else, very much like how JNT was back in the 80's. She sees the ultimate sign of success for Who as breaking the US market wide open, where the show has continued to go from strength to strength in recent years. Hence why Skinner wants more visual, more expensive looking shows that are largely self contained adventures, so that casual audiences can easily tune in at any point with little effort (much like the standard US tv model for most US 'network' shows). And also why the push is on for more US based stories, US locations whenever possible, and familiarly US themed story tropes, as well as more efforts being made to attract familiar american guest stars for the show. She has apparently butted heads with Moffat and company over the show being too complex, too continuity heavy, and even being too British, and the criticism is that she is more interested in what she thinks is best for the Doctor Who an an international (and potentially strong US) brand than in what is best for Doctor Who the show. Moffat on the other hand is pretty much on the exact other side of the fence on most issues, and thinks dumbing the show down and tailoring it to appeal more to casual US audiences will do the show more harm than good in the long run, and it has been very much a tug of war between the two parties and their very different viewpoints as to exactly what ends up on our screens. No one seems to talk much about what the exact issue is between Smith and Skinner though, other than it being pretty much accepted that they just don't get along. The BBC seem to be playing mostly neutral so far, probably because of how successful Moffat's other show is, and because their lead actor is very much in Camp Moffat as well, so perhaps they figure best to not step on any toes at this point. However it is apparently looking more and more like Moffat and perhaps also Smith may be bowing out after delivering whatever is planned for the 50th Anniversary year, or at least have hinted/threatened they would do so if things don't change. I imagine all involved know how significant the coming year will be for the show (and probably as far as publicity goes for their respective careers too), and so just kind of tolerate the situation as best they can at the moment in a win some/lose some kind of way. But beyond the next block changes are expected to be afoot. Of course behind the scenes issues are pretty common place, especially when strong egos and conflicting visions are involved, so who knows how much is bluster and position jockeying, how much is the standard "I'm right/you're wrong", and how much actually affects the final show as we see it. But there certainly seems to be tension mounting behind the scenes. And such rumblings have been getting louder and louder in recent months, so much so that I'd be amazed if either Moffat or Skinner didn't "decide it's time to move on" sometime next year after everything is in the bag and put to bed production wise... Until then I suppose it'll be the usual happy public faces covering behind the scenes animosities malarky, unless someone inadvertently or deliberately airs a frustration in public, which is the big risk in this business the longer this kind of thing goes on.

  • Sept. 17, 2012, 12:48 p.m. CST

    Oh, and as for the possibility of Eccleston returning...

    by Fat Cyber-Controller

    All of the people who he had an issue with are no longer part of the show, and his favourite episodes of his run on Doctor Who was the Moffat two parter The Empty Child/The Doctor Dances, and there have been rumblings around the beeb of late in regards to him and Tennant both, so you never know. There's definitely some wooing going on, whether any of it pans out, and just what such plans/ideas might be though, who knows... There doesn't appear to be any real rumours floating around about any of the classic era Doctors though, not the still much beloved Tom Baker. Not BBC and brit tv staples Peter Davison and Paul McGann, and not even Hobbit co-star Sylvester McCoy. Doesn't mean it won't happen, but it seems like if they are going to get previous Doctors back at all they are concentrating on the modern series cast first. Oh, and no matter what, don't expect poor old Colin Baker to get a call, he's still an unpopular name around certain hallways of the BBC, which is frankly unfair and kind of sad really, but beaurocracy rarely forgets, as they say. It'd take a miracle to have him back, even now, or a really powerful champion in his corner to push such a thing through. And unfortunately I fear neither are likely. A 'talking head' in the in the rumored history of Who doco special is about all his involvement is likely to be.

  • Sept. 17, 2012, 12:52 p.m. CST

    Anyone who doesn't get on with Matt Smith...

    by SgtHowie

    makes me wonder what is wrong with them! Seriously though, is there always a problem with WHO producers? Eccleston says he left because of disagreement with producers, the two execs from Moffat's first season were moved on, or left, or something. Now Skinner may be the fly in the ointment. She may be a safe pair of hands from the Beeb viewpoint but when I've seen her on any interviews or clips she looks about as comfortable in her job as an accountant who has transferred to the circus. Oh yeah, and Tennant + dinosaur = DEFINITELY!!

  • Amy/Rory were fairly useless and I think the episode would have been better just not including them at all. Not sure how many lines they had but it wasn't many... Those going to other characters might have made this better.

  • Sept. 17, 2012, 1:13 p.m. CST

    No classic Doctors for 50th ep except for

    by SgtHowie

    Tom Baker. In a small role, ala Hartnell in Three Doctors. Tom is a living legend of British TV history and FAR outranks the importance of any other classic era Doctor. We can't have them all, so one - and I'm pretty sure he is the BEST one in the public view - could be there to represent the spirit of them all. Eccleston and Tennant are the ones the public will really want to see back I guess.


  • Sept. 17, 2012, 1:54 p.m. CST


    by DeusExMachina

    As an American, I don't care if Doctor Who caters to me. A show shouldn't have to cater to the demographic of a certain country if it is good. If bigger special effects and filming in America and having more American actors is going to bring down the value of the show, then I would rather that they didn't. Filming in America sure as fuck didn't help Torchwood did it? Also, I like Doctor Who because of the over reaching stories. I like multi part stories and stories that interconnect. I wish we had another season like The Key to Time. If I want to watch an American friendly show, I'll watch Fringe or NCIS.

  • Sept. 17, 2012, 1:59 p.m. CST

    No Doctors have been approached - period.

    by V'Shael

    Dial down your expectations.

  • Sept. 17, 2012, 2:03 p.m. CST

    The Producer is not the Show-Runner.

    by V'Shael

    If there's a tug-of-war between Skinner and Moffat, it would be a very one-sided one. I've no idea if she has a good working relationship with Matt Smith or not, but there's very little chance her presence behind the scenes would be considered vital enough that Matt Smith and Moffat would be usurped in her favour.



  • Sept. 17, 2012, 2:32 p.m. CST

    Producer role?

    by SgtHowie

    I'm guessing the non-showrunner producer role is assigned by Moffat's boss, Head of Drama or something? If so, Skinner and Moffat could both be reporting over each other's heads about each other's performance to their mutual boss. And if this is the person who did actually put Skinner into that job then they could be sympathetic to her views. That could even be WHY she got the job - to put the HOD's plan into action. Who knows? Hopefully it will be grasped that the show's very British aspect and intelligent approach is important to the success of the series. As for multi Doctors, I can't imagine any way Moffat would even WANT to use Colin Baker even if every BBC exec was pressuring him to do so! And honestly, what would be the point? He was a relatively small part of the show's history. IMO the return of Fraser Hines to the show would be of more interest to long term viewers than Colin's.

  • Sept. 17, 2012, 2:56 p.m. CST

    Colin Baker was a small part of Doctor Who history?

    by Smashing

    A small part? he was the freaking sixth DOCTOR, that, by it's very definition is nothing small at all.

  • Sept. 17, 2012, 3:11 p.m. CST

    Obviously you've never worked at the BBC...

    by Fat Cyber-Controller

    Moffat is lucky, as he actually has public status and a nice supply of BBC credit he can tap into, which gives him power, far more power than most so called show-runners actually have at the end of the day (apart from the ones who also act as working producers or at least co-producers, and not merely 'executive producers'). As show runner is really just a fancy title for head writer, which in itself was just the modern evolved form of script editor in most cases. But producers traditionally have full control of the money, and thus the power and the final say with the BBC. I mean the producer is who the BBC themselves put in there to keep the ship on their desired course, after all. I mean that's obviously a massive simplification, but the point is, if you don't think a producer has significant power to influence change and insert creative input into a tv show given the way that the BBC does things then, with respect, you're quite simply dead wrong. Moffat may well be the public face of the Doctor Who production team, but if you think his power on the show is absolute then you'd be mistaken. When the partnership of what is now called the show-runner and the producer is a good one, and both largely stick to their roles and respect the other's input and points of view, even when they disagree, then things tend to work just fine. However when you, for example, get a producer that tries to force their own creative ideas on a show-runner you're bound to run into trouble, especially when, in most cases, that producer is basically seen by the BBC as the BBC rep, and has control of the money, how it is allocated, where it is allocated, when it is allocated, to whom it is allocated, and what is deemed to be worthy of part of the budget and what isn't, as well as managing the show-runner and keeping the show itself within the bounds of what the BBC has deemed appropriate, particularly in the case of legacy shows (i.e. those that are not, or are no longer, run by the original creator) and shows that have very strong international sales. To put it into Who history terms, Barry Letts was the producer and Terrence Dicks was script editor, Philip Hinchcliffe was producer while Robert Holmes was script editor, Graham Williams was producer while Douglas Adams was script editor, John Nathan-Turner was producer while Eric Saward and then later Andrew Cartmel was script editor. Now tell me just how much did the likes of Barry Letts, Philip Hinchcliffe, Graham Williams and John Nathan-Turner influence the show? For better and/or for worse. Script editors may be called show runners now, and may now be allowed a bit more power to hire themselves for any number of scripts in their role under the more modernised role of head writer, but the BBC is still the BBC, and producers still weild a hell of a lot of power in terms of the show that gets made. And if you have a producer who is keen to overstep their role or push the show in a direction that may not gell with what the 'show-runner' wants, it can certainly lead to trouble. Now, of course, right now the BBC very much wants to be in the Steven Moffat business, so if it comes down to it then they are far more likely to side with him, whereas other 'show-runners' may not be quite so fortunate in a similar situation. Of course BBC can also be mighty unpredictable at times, and can be somewhat a law unto themselves, and someone may arbitrarily decide that it is time for fresh blood after the 50th. And while I can't see them ever pushing Moffat, they might decide to let him jump if that was the case. There are a lot in the higher echelons at the BBC who have eyes towards making further inroads into the American market these days, so never underestimate the shortsightedness of the men in suits upstairs.

  • Sept. 17, 2012, 3:25 p.m. CST

    By the way, the men upstairs apparently hate the term show-runner...

    by Fat Cyber-Controller

    I don't know if it is true or not, but it was a common rumor back in the day that Russell T Davies started using it to describe himself and his role on the show specifically to get up the nose of the men upstairs, and one in particular.

  • Graham Williams came up with the idea for the Key to Time season - it was his submission for getting the producers' job. Also, you start seeing some shift in tone in the stories (Invisible Enemy in particular) with Graham Williams even with the same script editor. Barry Letts made the decisions for a more warm and fuzzy UNIT starting with season 8. Producers decide what kind of character they want as new companions, and who is going to play them (and who is going to play a new Doctor). It should be noted that Moffat is listed as a producer, not just as a script editor or show runner. His being a producer has to be approved by the bosses higher up. Granted, Moffat was brought in at the request of RTD, but if the bosses thought he wouldn't be suitable he wouldn't have been there.

  • Sept. 17, 2012, 4:03 p.m. CST

    by V'Shael

    * if you think his power on the show is absolute then you'd be mistaken* That wasn't what I said at all. * right now the BBC very much wants to be in the Steven Moffat business, so if it comes down to it then they are far more likely to side with him* That IS pretty much what I said. So thanks for agreeing. Fail to see what you're arguing about, really, aside from a strawman argument that wasn't put forward.

  • Sept. 17, 2012, 5:03 p.m. CST


    by dude_gimme_tabs

    Why has nobody mentioned the eggs? The Doc and Oswin went on about them. Then Rory and a Dalek. There were lingering shots of dinosaur eggs in Ep 2 and in 'Mercy' the spaceship was shaped like a huge egg.<p> This, to me, appears to be a pattern, but what do I know?

  • Sept. 17, 2012, 5:11 p.m. CST

    You know, I was warned not to post on here

    by Fat Cyber-Controller

    I was told that these threads are mostly filled by a select few in their own little clique who largely ignore the postings of most anyone from outside their little discussion group who tries to contribute anything to the threads, or else who, in a few cases, go out of their way to try and prove how much cleverer they are than those other 'lesser' fans, all the while patting themselves on the back about how 'civilised' they think they are, but I didn't listen. I was told these threads were Gallifrey Base in microcosm, and while I don't actually think you guys are anywhere near that bad, in reading over past threads, and trying to be a part of this one, some of you are very definitely very cliquish and somewhat unwelcoming. Sure, everyone can post, but the fact that most posts from non clique members either go ignored, unless there is something that members of the clique deems needs to be rebuffed, well that says it all really. You don't know who I am, you don't know what I know, and internet scepticism is perfectly healthy, that I take no offense to. Nor do I have any problem with anyone who disagrees with me, has a different opinion than me, or doesn't believe anything I have to say. But talking down to me like I'm some plebian, playing the selective quote game, and taking cheap shots in order to misrepresent what I posted is rather tacky and disingenuous, and again, not very welcoming at all. But hey, such is life. You win, I'll shant bother you again.

  • Sept. 17, 2012, 5:25 p.m. CST


    by Mister Vertue

    I am officially no longer a Whotininnies virgin.

  • Sept. 17, 2012, 5:28 p.m. CST

    MOV - Whotininnies

    by Ken Plume

    I can only hope you still respect us.

  • Sept. 17, 2012, 5:32 p.m. CST

    fatcc - It's a discussion

    by Ken Plume

    You came with a lot of information to process. Engage in the conversation. I assure you, this little corner of AICN is quite civil and up for it. So pull up a chair, relax, and kick around for a bit. No one here bites. Except Reginald McBiter. Awfully appropriate name, that. Shame I just made him up.

  • Sept. 17, 2012, 6:26 p.m. CST

    the eggs

    by bongo dummy

    There's a chance the eggs could mean something. It is probably more likely than the cowboy hat meaning much. That was probably just a callback to the first time he was shown wearing one. (this Mercy episode is taking place after the episodes where Craig gives him the hat and the Day of the Astronaut, right?) As for the egg theme, it is also probably more likely to have meaning than the flickering lights. The 'Bad Wolf' echo doesn't resonate here, in my opinion. There would be other instances in the other locations in the first two episodes, right? Though, in the Dinosaur episode Rory was helping his dad change a light bulb. Anyway, the eggs: If you throw in the other Doctor's space pod it was egg-like, and like the other three instances, it was dangerous. The first egg instance, was part of the souflee recipe which essentially equated with EXTERMINATE. And the second instance, obviously, described Dalek parts which presumably those pepper pots need. If they got them they'd be more dangerous, I guess. The third was was the "T-Rex" eggs mentioned by dude_gimme_tabs. They'd be bitey once they hatch, wouldn't they? And, I guess the next episode has black boxes raining from the sky. If there's something in there too and it follows the egg theme then let's go out on a limb and say that eggs being primarily associated with giving life, might just be deadly bombs. It's the old switcheroo, twisty thingie. Eggs-actly!

  • Sept. 17, 2012, 6:31 p.m. CST

    Colin Baker

    by bongo dummy

    I watched many of his episodes. Can't remember a one. It kind of sucks because when he first became a Doctor, I thought wow, the coincidences they have going on here are great. Baker. Curly hair. They realize the Doctor should look eccentric, naturally and that there was one version who fit the description quite well, Tom Baker. But, I can't remember a single episode. In hindsight, if you had a line up of all of the Doctors...for me, I would unfairly think he didn't fit in very well. That's bad. In light of all the stuff I've read about his predicament in that role, it sucks that it ended the way he did. Actually, I just found out today that his character death wasn't the most cool one.

  • Sept. 17, 2012, 6:48 p.m. CST

    doctortom, you are mistaken

    by The Keminrun

    The Doctor is not going to ask "the question" on the Fields of Trenzalore; he is going to be asked the question. Silence will fall when he answers, since he (apparently) must give a truthful answer on the Fields of Trenzalore.

  • Sept. 17, 2012, 6:50 p.m. CST

    that girl/grandmother of the narrator of the cowboy show

    by bongo dummy

    Whoever is saying that girl is Oswina Oswaldio, or whatever her name is, are barking up the wrong tree. Did the Doctor interact with her? Did her granddaughter say anything in her narration that said anything more about her significance? I don't see it. It was like some 'Little House on the Prarie' narration. It wasn't done very well, really. It was just a bookend for the start and the finish.

  • Sept. 17, 2012, 7:12 p.m. CST


    by notspock2

    I'm not checking in as much I as I used to, but rest assured your contributions are welcome and interesting, Please stay around...

  • Sept. 17, 2012, 7:53 p.m. CST

    aicn main page

    by GeptaOO1

    is not loading for me

  • Sept. 17, 2012, 8:10 p.m. CST

    This episode was beautiful, maybe the best-looking episode I've seen

    by sunspot_mike

    I thought the cinematographer did a fantastic job and the effects were excellent. Just really visually stunning. Overall, the story was pretty good too. I never felt a real danger from the Gunslinger, but you figured out he wasn't a merciless killing machine right away, so he had to be after something else. Overall, I like this season so far because it feels much more relaxed, obviously not in the acting, Matt Smith is more awesomely buck wild than ever. But I think there's a very distinct difference in the writing of these episodes and the ones from other seasons. Most of the stand alones over the past few years have felt hurried by the time we got to the resolution, none of the episodes yet have felt hurried, yet none of them were very long. I think they've definitely got the pace right for these adventures.

  • First of all, I'm American and I love the serialization. But there's a reason American shows can work in less serialization and more Monster of the Week and I think that's the number of episodes. With 22 or 26 episodes in a season, you have more time for standalone adventures and side trips, you have time to really live "with" the characters. 12 or 13 episodes just doesn't give you that same feeling. I feel like Doctor Who has been really taking off in the past couple of seasons because we got a little bit of the story arc in each episode plus the main finale and premiere eps. So, not that I'm one to presume to know more about a TV audience than a TV producer, but if anyone thinks that casual viewing is what lights the fires of American TV watchers anymore, I think they've got an outdated model. We're hungry for a serial that's well-plotted and satisfying!

  • Sept. 17, 2012, 8:41 p.m. CST

    sgthowie , re: 50th anniversary

    by chronicallydepressedlemming

    If that's speculation, I've got to disagree. Baker barely looks like he did when he was the Doctor now, so I can't see him returning for a 50th. Peter Davison and Slyvestor McCoy, however...

  • Sept. 17, 2012, 8:59 p.m. CST

    @fatcc - come back please!

    by veteran_of_mu

    This really is rather a friendly place, not cliqueish, and in my couple of years here I've seen most folks respect signal more than anything else. And you, my friend, are most definitely signal. We do have some folk who like to wear black hats and speaking specifically about your foil I've found his viewpoint very stimulating. If usually at odds with my own. And that's okay. None of us are made of sugar. As for me, I was very appreciative of your comments because I very seldom see a HAT confirmed so rapidly (see Meta-HAT #1 upthread). We have at least 2 other posters who have at various times been vaguely linked to the show, and that's very exciting for the likes of fans like me who aren't. So ... cool your jets, put your feet up, stick your oar in and take it easy. If someone gets up your nose the best thing to do is chat with those of us who don't. You really are very welcome here.

  • Sept. 17, 2012, 9:08 p.m. CST

    caractacuspotts , fatcc ... and the rest

    by Kevin Bolinger

    I always wear a black HAT! :P LOL LOL But yeah, fatcc, do not leave because of differing viewpoints, things here are usually very civilized. If they were not, I would not be here, as it is I do not post anywhere else on AICN, and, I have made a few new friends, like doctortom, gotilk, transformedman, and a few others :)

  • Sept. 17, 2012, 9:39 p.m. CST

    @bongodummy the eggs

    by Cletus1974

    Could it be that the eggs are a fertility symbol and that Amy and Rory are about to make a little sibling for River? And baby makes 3 right? What if the Doctor has to abandon them to another universe to have he chance to be the parents they couldn't be with Melody? Maybe they'll end up in the same universe as Rose and the 10th clone (Even though it's supposedly closed off). Or maybe the Dr. will hatch a hole new universe just for them.

  • Sept. 17, 2012, 9:52 p.m. CST

    @Dude_Gimme: Egg harvesting at Demon's Run?

    by Cletus1974

    What if the reason Amy can't have more children is that her eggs were harvested at Demon's Run? Seems like The Silence wouldn't want the chance of another timelord/human hybrid being born without their involvement. When the Dr. "died" in the Impossible Astronaut, they had to burn his body because as River stated, "his enemies would tear apart the world just to get one cell of his body". Maybe the Silence is off creating their own little hybrid Timelord army. That would be quite similar to what the other Dr. was doing when he created Cyborg in Mercy. Could this all be leading up to the Dr facing off against an army of Silence-Timelords, (Timesilencers) where the only weapon he has left is his name?

  • Sept. 17, 2012, 11:07 p.m. CST

    Ood made eggs in Pond Life

    by Cletus1974

    Just keeping with the egg thing.

  • Sept. 17, 2012, 11:29 p.m. CST

    blllarrrgh, leave the terrible U.S.-ifications to U.S. Syfy. . .

    by Kathryn Gail

    I don't have enough information to take sides over who is or is not pushing for more U.S. premises and oversimplifications, but as a U.S. viewer I'd like to invite them to stop it right about here. New York, the Old West and Nixon are fair enough, and as I've said I'm enjoying the one-off romps as a little break from the constant ending of the world/universe, but we're up to our donkey/elephant ears in remedial-vocabulary shows about ourselves over here, and there's no point in destroying other properties just to make more. Am I on the edge of my seat every new episode waiting to see who's hot, what they're wearing and whether stuff blows up? Sure, but all the buying and re-watching and discussing and buttonholing of friends to insist they watch has to do with the show's subtle complexity, novel settings/premises, and consistent eschewing of the straight line from plot point A to plot point B.

  • Sept. 18, 2012, 8:10 a.m. CST


    by dude_gimme_tabs

    Defo something to do with Amy's situation re: inability to conceive following Demon's Run. Eggs are the motif. Gotta be.

  • Sept. 18, 2012, 8:15 a.m. CST

    Spoiler free review of Power of Three now online...

    by V'Shael Good grief, if it was possible to lower your expectations even further, please do so now...

  • Sept. 18, 2012, 9:07 a.m. CST


    by James Grinnell

    Hi. I'm definitely not one of the 'regulars' but I regularly lurk, occasionally post and have some great conversations with a couple of the actual regulars. I'm a Who fan of old but don't know some of the early doctors nearly as well as some here (hence my mistake about Robert Holmes further up the conversation somewhere). I'd encourage you to stick around. If nothing else, sharing a HAT, even if no one comments on it and it turns out to be a correct guess.... well, that's just worth hanging around for. Not that I'm expecting any of mine to turn out right, it's always fun to read what people are thinking.

  • Sept. 18, 2012, 10:50 a.m. CST

    keminrun - fair point on Trenzalore

    by DoctorTom

    I should have said he's asked - merely asking himself the question doesn't matter (that's why I brought up Trenzalore - he'll have to answer it there). I think the main point I had still applies. Dorium said Silence will have to fall when the Question is asked. The Order of the Silence is trying to keep the Question from being asked in a situation where it will have to be answered truthfully. If the Question is asked and answered at the Fields of Trenzalore, the Order must fall because they will have failed and have no other reason for staying around. I don't know if it will tie in or not, but the museum that the Doctor was in in Time of the Angels was the final resting place of the Headless Monks. We saw them pop up in AGMGTW working with Madame Kovarian, who was also working with the Silence. I'm just wondering now if we'll have the Headless Monks involved at the end and the Doctor will also be responsible for them needing a final resting place.

  • Sept. 18, 2012, 11:03 a.m. CST

    fatcc - it seems my comments offended you - sorry

    by DoctorTom

    Since I was the person who actually took a quote from you, I have to assume I'm one of the people you're talking about as cliquish and unwelcoming. I'm sorry if I gave you that impression, but I was just trying to have a discussion and had some other comments. I wouldn't be at all surprised if there were a lot of behind the scenes fights between Caroline Skinner and Moffat, but you were equating Moffat with only being a script editor and asked what producers actually contribute - I provided examples. It doesn't invalidate any points you make about there being tensions behind the scenes. We've seen that before - Eccleston having problems with the production team, Eric Saward and JN-T, so it's nothing new. I just thought you were minimizing Moffat's role in production of the show. He's not the be-all and end-all, but he's not just a flunky reporting to Skinner (which is really how it used to be with script editors). I'd really like to know what you thought were cheap shots and misrepresentations and treating you like a plebian. I didn't see that, only a discussion trying to happen, and was surprised when I saw your last post. Come back for a discussion, and we'll try to address the issues you're feeling slighted about.

  • Sept. 18, 2012, 11:05 a.m. CST

    I'm torn on whether the eggs are supposed to mean anything

    by DoctorTom

    Part of me says we're trying to look too deeply into things here (not for the first time). Another part of me wonders if it's going to lead to Oswin hatching from the Dalek shell later on, with the eggs being a symbolic thing.

  • Sept. 18, 2012, 11:16 a.m. CST

    v'shael - thanks for posting the review link

    by DoctorTom

    I'm not sure I had any real expectations for this episode since they didn't really seem to talk about it much before, the way details of all the other stories in this batch had been mentioned. That might have been an indication of damnation by omission. My first thought on seeing black boxes was that they're the inverse of Time Lord message cubes. My second reaction was that it would be a bad thing if they were all cubes like the ones in Hellraiser. I realized as soon as I thought those things, though, that there's not going to be any way that the story would live up to those ideas. The review definitely sounds like a confirmation of why there might not have been much said about the episode before now. I'll have to see if I'm pleasantly surprised Saturday, though. As a side note, it would have been nice if they could have gotten some of the UNIT people who appeared during the Tennant era - Colonel Mace or Captain Magambo, or even Captain Price. I don't know if they're not here because they couldn't get any of them, or if Moffat just wanted a break from the RTD Unit group. I suspect the latter.

  • Sept. 18, 2012, 11:41 a.m. CST

    Colin Baker and the 50th Anniversary

    by SgtHowie

    Just because he was a Doctor does NOT make Colin that important with the public in the grand scheme of Doctor Who. Fans will regard him as more important but that's down to the completist knowledge and analysis that fans brains thrive on. To use a James Bond analogy, a Bond fan would list the Bond actors as being the most important roles of the franchise history; nothing is more Bond than playing Bond. But if you were to look at how NON-fans regard the series I do think you would find a different perception. Desmond Llwelwyn (Q) and Richard Kiel (Jaws) would be much more fondly remembered than George Lazenby, for example. Turn that theory on to Doctor Who and I think you would find that Doctors are NOT automatically at the top. Both Nicholas Courtney and Elisabeth Sladen would be far more cherished in the collective public memory of Doctor Who than Colin Baker. TBH even K9 outranks Colin Baker. Putting Colin into a 50th anniversary show would be next to pointless. Even Doctor Who fans can't agree whether he was any good and the public have almost zero interest in him. Using classic Doctors in a special would need to hit the audience hard in their nostalgia zones and Colin doesn't do that. TOM Baker is the absolute opposite. He is still very fondly remembered by many MANY people. It would not matter that he looks different. Even just a distorted image with that voice coming out would transport ten million viewers back to the days when classic Who was at its peak. And that is the kind of effect using a classic Doctor has GOT to have. And that is why I think Tom Baker is the ONLY man for the job.

  • Sept. 18, 2012, noon CST

    A cgi face and Jon Culshaw doing the voice...

    by V'Shael

    And Matt could have a communicator conversation with the 4th doctor. No need for Tom Baker.

  • Sept. 18, 2012, 12:13 p.m. CST


    by SgtHowie

    Even a fake Tom Baker would be infinitely more appropriate than the real Colin Baker! Although I'm not sure Jon Culshaw's Tom Baker is better than Tom Baker's Tom Baker yet. :-)

  • Sept. 18, 2012, 12:25 p.m. CST

    the eggs clue is

    by emeraldboy

    to do with birth and creation... but of what.... though?

  • Sept. 18, 2012, 12:34 p.m. CST

    If Colin Baker does return....

    by ProfWimsey

    .... then I hope that they let him play the Doctor as he wanted to play it, rather than the way JNT made him play it.

  • Sept. 18, 2012, 1:13 p.m. CST

    The power of three

    by emeraldboy

    is to do with the life of the ponds. thier life with the dr and their private lives and home and so forth. Angels take Manhattan is about the death of the ponds...

  • Sept. 18, 2012, 1:43 p.m. CST

    So, do people think that "Clara" was just a set up?

    by ProfWimsey

    Everyone seems to be assuming that Oswin is returning. However, reports from on set stated that the companion is named Clara. Do people think that was just a clever ruse? My thought is that this is an Anne & Dodo thing.

  • Sept. 18, 2012, 2:40 p.m. CST

    v'shael - if we get cgi and Jon Culshaw

    by DoctorTom

    would you get Culshaw to do the body also? The other question would be the listing in the credits - do you list him as The Doctor, Fake Tom Baker, or Fake Shemp?

  • Sept. 18, 2012, 2:43 p.m. CST

    emeraldboy - eggstravaganza

    by DoctorTom

    (well, we might as well milk all the egg puns while we can). The birth comment is good, but might also be rebirth. Birth/rebirth of Oswin, maybe, or maybe rebirth of the Time Lords, rising phoenix-like from the time locked ashes of the Time War? Or is Amy going to give birth to another universe again? Big Bang 3?

  • Sept. 18, 2012, 2:51 p.m. CST

    elwagnero - it could easily go either way

    by DoctorTom

    The Anne & Dodo thing is certainly possible, and will probably turn out to be the answer because it's the simplest explanation for it. But, since most of us like the more complex stuff, we're going to want to come up with more complex answers. If it is the same person (whether before or after being Dalekified), the Doctor might have convinced her to change her name so that she doesn't show up in records under her older name. Maybe Clara was her middle name originally and the Doctor tells her to go by Clara Oswin instead so that people don't wonder why she's mucking about on Raxicoricofalipatorius or Sontar or wherever at the same time she's supposed to be crashed on the Dalek Asylum planet. Or 2 years before the crash, records of her being on two planets at the same time. This is where Tennant's Doctor showed all his hubris as the Time Lord Victorious; if he had just tole the people he saved from Bowie Base in The Waters of Mars to change their names and have a low key life, there probably wouldn't have been many ripples in time. The Doctor said he wants to keep a lower profile, he might be trying to do this for Oswin/Clara/whatever her name actually ends up as.

  • Sept. 18, 2012, 2:55 p.m. CST

    follow up on that thought in the last post

    by DoctorTom

    Having the companion change her name might be in the Doctor's viewpoint the equivalent of a Witness Protection program extending through spacetime - it's someone else's footprints being left after the name change. And psychic paper can usually be handy if you need to produce some documents with the new name. I suspect though that elwagnero's right, given that we're getting a Victorian episode for Christmas. That doesn't seem to be compatible with Oswin's job just before she crashed. I keep thinking back to River's comments to Amy in Time of the Angels, though - Do you really think it would be that simple?

  • Sept. 18, 2012, 3:01 p.m. CST

    More on Clara/Oswin...

    by ProfWimsey

    I had wondered if the surname ("Oswald") might become relevant, simply because the 50th anniversary of the most infamous Oswald's act is (very nearly) the 50th anniversary of Doctor Who. I don't know that it would be a plot point or just a metaphor. However, I was thinking that the Doctor might run into other Oswalds in subsequent episodes (a la "Bad Wolf"). That obviously did not happen. I am not really rooting for anything in particular: just make it entertaining and not too convoluted!

  • Sept. 18, 2012, 3:39 p.m. CST

    Who Clara/Oswin probably isn't

    by DoctorTom

    good thought on the Oswald bit, elwagnero, but it will probably be a year anyway if that were going to play out. I doubt, though, that we're going to find out that Clara Oswin Oswald is actually Lee Harvey Oswald's secret wife from when he spent time in the Soviet Union. Given that Moffat introduced a companion who was a kissogram, though, I wouldn't put it past him at some point to introduce a companion who was a Russian mail-order bride...

  • Sept. 18, 2012, 4:03 p.m. CST


    by ProfWimsey

    Actually, I was not thinking quite along those lines, although it's pretty darn funny. (She was wearing red, wasn't she?!?!?!). Still, there is supposed to be the Fall of the 11th, and I'm wondering if the name might prove somehow metaphorical in what happens. Or it could all just be one big coincidence. I mean, sometimes the gun on the wall is a plot device, and sometimes it's because you've got to put stuff on a wall just because walls are not bare.

  • Sept. 18, 2012, 4:27 p.m. CST

    11th dr falls

    by emeraldboy

    and the 12th dr rises.

  • Sept. 18, 2012, 4:52 p.m. CST

    Here is a thought

    by Michael_Jacksons_Ghost

    Would the Doctor upon meeting "Clara" even know that she is the spliting image of Oswin, or even the same person? In AOTD, the Doctor never saw what she looked like, just the image of the Dalek at the end of the episode. Also, I think that Omega is behind the Order of the Silence. Omega wants the Time Lords to return, and are having the Order to create new ones. That would also explain why the Order of the Silence are building a TARDIS. Or, Omega is having the Order create a Time Lord body, so he can transfer his spirit/higher being into it.

  • Sept. 18, 2012, 6:15 p.m. CST


    by emeraldboy

    are the only ones who seem to mention the valeyard or the omega. Moffat hasnt even hinted that he is bringing either of these characters back onto the show. they would have to audition and hire another actor for those roles. because I cannot see smith either of them. I really can not. I know moffat has a plan for the 50th and it is something very big. unless of course moffat had cleverly re introduced the master and Smith was playing a dual role. smith as the master and the dr......

  • Sept. 18, 2012, 6:26 p.m. CST


    by Michael_Jacksons_Ghost

    Go back and watch Flesh & Stone, Time of Angels, and A Good Man Goes To War. All of the soilders/clerics have the Omega symbol on their uniforms.

  • Sept. 18, 2012, 6:38 p.m. CST

    the master, etc

    by bongo dummy

    how about that David Tennant Doctor Clone, Rose's lover, as a version of The Master. (just messing with you all. I don't care one way or the other about More of The Master) What I was going to write is to ask if anyone brought up how some character is likely to be thrown back in time...or maybe forward in time? a weeking angel. It may or may not help clear up how this new companion fits into what ever Big Picture is going on here. If the Big Picture involves The Silence, The Omega, River, Amy and Rory, and other dangling story bits, I really truly haven't considered where this might be going. Oh yeah. On what I wrote about the eggs: my thing is simple: eggs don't seem like anything dangerous. But, so far, eggs have played a role at destruction or have been shown to have the potential for destruction. It may be just an oddity because obviously not every egg shown has been a literal egg. That's All. For Now.

  • Sept. 18, 2012, 9:24 p.m. CST

    Omega was a sign of the old church....

    by ProfWimsey

    ... you know, god being the Alpha and the Omega. I think that was the allusion, not the Doctor Who character.

  • Except they don't. This is another oft-repeated but not actually true statement. The symbol they are wearing, looks like it could be an Omega, with two parallel bars runing down through it. It could also be a stargate for all we know. In other words, there's a logo that looks like it could be Omega + some lines. But it is not an Omega.

  • Sept. 19, 2012, 6:39 a.m. CST

    Tiny little Clara HAT. HAT #0.000001.

    by veteran_of_mu

    Is the first name of a pseudonym under which Oswin is living. Then when the Doc discovers who she is he refers to her as Clara/Oswin. And when someone near the set heard that they naturally assumed the character's name was Clara Oswin.

  • Sept. 19, 2012, 7:50 a.m. CST

    New info on the 50th anniversary?

    by V'Shael Having read that carefully now, I think this is how things are currently planned out - Season 7 (14 episodes) is broken up over 2012 and 2013. The second half of the season will not air in January 2012, but maybe closer to Easter/Summer. An 8th season *still* has not been commissioned. There is a TV movie based on the creation of Doctor Who being planned. There is something else being planned for the November 23rd date. The script for that November 23rd show, whatever it is, whether it's Doctor Who or not, will be finished by Christmas 2012. It will be filmed next year in the Spring. Think about it - If something to be broadcast in November 2013, is being written between now and Christmas, and filmed in the Spring, then this is also the time that any 8th Season episodes would *have* to be written. But as I said, no 8th season has been commissioned. In fact, the only script we know being written at the moment is the Neil Gaiman one. (Third draft at last count) Conclusions - We won't have an 8th season of episodes until at least 2014. The 50th anniversary episode is being written by Neil Gaiman. It will be a stand-alone, like a special or movie. 2013 will consist of the latter half of season 7, the Gatiss movie, the 50th anniversary movie and little else. If it helps, call this my own particular Half-Assed-Theory.

  • Sept. 19, 2012, 8:32 a.m. CST

    if there is no 8th series commissioned

    by emeraldboy

    I think there is a grain of truth the rumour that this is Matt Smiths final outing as the dr then. He has three seasons under his belt. his campanions are gone. or going. they have to audition and cast an unnamed actor to play the dr. A companion dr is a bit of stretch. no dr who untill 2015 is a bit of a stretch...

  • Sept. 19, 2012, 8:43 a.m. CST

    Omega, Valeyard

    by Kathryn Gail

    Well Omega is just sort of there in canon if anyone wants to use him, but the Valeyard's eventual reappearance seems inevitable unless a lot of backstory is thrown out, or the series ends or skips ahead, or Matt Smith plays the Doctor until he's 120. Given all the set-up of the Doctor as his own worst enemy, it seems more of a writing challenge to keep him out than to eventually put him in, even though Jack the Ripper was one of his aliases and Madame Vastra supposedly ate him (haha--would that give her regenerative powers?? or a Doctor chestburster as he regenerates?). Take a look at "Jack the Ripper in fiction" on Wikipedia--M. Vastra could have a different Jack the Ripper meal every day and it wouldn't put the Valeyard out of the picture (I feel the world needs a "director's [fan] cut" of A Good Man Goes to War where we hear M. Vastra capturing someone who screams like John Fiedler as Redjac from original Star Trek!).

  • Sept. 19, 2012, 9:20 a.m. CST


    by veteran_of_mu

    I didn't see anything in that link about S8 not being funded. We've had a bad trot this year but I'd expect next year to have S7b, all of S8, the Gatiss dramatisation and at least a 90 minute 50th celebration followed by the Christmas ep. None of which will be worth watching if whoever is responsible for S7a so far is still calling shots ... Like I said earlier, the Pond exit will be the true litmus. If they go out with a fizzle with none of the many hanging threads sorted - most especially the duck pond - then I think it would be time for me to give the show a rest. Haven't wanted to do that since the CB Doc. But ... better to let the thing die and get revived than sit there watching Scooby Who and catching senile dementia.

  • Sept. 19, 2012, 9:26 a.m. CST

    @caractacuspotts - Season 8 has not been commissioned

    by V'Shael

    I didn't say anything about funded. It simply hasn't been ordered, period, by the BBC. How, pray tell, do you expect the 8th season to be commissioned, written, shot and post-produced in the time remaining? Not having a go, I genuinely want to know. How do you see this happening?

  • Sept. 19, 2012, 9:27 a.m. CST

    Oh, and still the Duck Pond?

    by V'Shael

    Honestly? That's something you think is still unresolved?

  • Sept. 19, 2012, 10:01 a.m. CST

    Re: Oh, and still the Duck Pond?

    by ProfWimsey

    Er, what is the putative "duck pond" issue? What is not resolved? As for the Valeyard, I doubt that they'd rehash him. Only hardcore Whovians remember that era: by that time, JNT had really turned off the general public, it seems. And, let's face it: that was 25 years ago! Insofar as I can remember, the only "unresolved" things are what might have been written in untranslatable High Gallifreyan on the Doctor's Cot. Obviously, it said that Melody Pond was married to the Doctor and that she was daughter of Amy and Rory. However, Moffett used a clever dodge to avoid having Amy & Rory actually read it, and getting only the Melody Pond part.

  • Sept. 19, 2012, 10:08 a.m. CST

    The Duck Pond.

    by V'Shael

    Apparently, some people still think there's some unresolved mystery there. It always seemed obvious to me, that like Amys apple and the faces her mother drew, it was just symbolic about how somethings could be eaten by the crack, and remembered somehow. Amys mother was eaten by the crack, but Amelia still remembered what she used to do with apples. The ducks were eaten by the crack, but people still called that body of water The Duck Pond. The idea that we'd have to revisit the *mystery* of the Duck Pond after all this time, seems odd to me.

  • Sept. 19, 2012, 10:17 a.m. CST

    good grief....

    by ProfWimsey

    It does not even have anything to do with the crack! People call those small artificial ponds duck ponds even though they almost never have ducks. (Even if ducks visit them, then they rarely will nest there: those ponds are not big enough to support an ecosystem that will support a duck nest.) This was just to emphasize that Doctor's alienness: he actually was taking the phrase literally! It seems that they do this frequently with Matt Smith's Doctor.

  • Sept. 19, 2012, 10:19 a.m. CST

    Scripts being written

    by DoctorTom

    Gaiman's is the only script being written now that's confirmed. Looking back at the Production Notes that Moffat had written in July, at that time he still had work left on the Christmas episode and the last episode of Season 7. We know he's finished the Christmas episode because that's been filmed. He could possibly still be writing the last episode for season 7; we haven't heard yet if that scripts been finished, and we haven't had any word that I know of that when that one will be filmed. The Gaiman episode could be in the tail end of Season 7 - there was one slot (I think it was episode 12) that seemed to match up with Gaiman's status. It's possible, though, that his script could be pushed back until later. I don't see his as being the 50th anniversary special since I think Moffat would want to write that one himself. Also, Smith's comment that he thinks there will be a script for the 50th anniversary thing knocking around about Christmas would seem to indicate that it's probably not Gaiman's script, as he's had several drafts knocking around now. I agree that Season 8 hasn't been commissioned yet. From Smith's comments it's fairly obvious that Moffat's just roughing out what he wants to do when the commission comes through, and it sounds more like it will be a special than just a few episodes of a regular season for November 2013. I suspect we'll see some Children in Need bits more on the line of Time/Space this year, unless they try to pass the 50th anniversary special off as part of Children in Need. Most likely we'll get a prequel leading into it along the lines of the Asylum of the Daleks prequel. Personally, though, I think it would be very funny if Moffat just ran a comedy sketch with Omega, the Valeyard and the Rani at a meeting discussing who's turn it was to bedevil the Doctor, possibly having the Doctor crash the party near the end. A comedy sketch taking the mickey out of all the fan theories might be fun, and Moffat could probably find a way to set it so that it will be accessible to non-fans also.

  • Sept. 19, 2012, 10:24 a.m. CST

    The Duck Pond

    by DoctorTom

    it had geese or ducks or something like that in Amy's Choice. So, we know where they all went - into Rory's dreams. Then again, the ducks and Rory both ended up being sucked through the crack, so maybe there's some HAT about what they were up to on the other side of the crack. ;)

  • Although the first half of the sentence was a fact, the latter part should be taken as being tongue in cheek rather than an actual statement of where the geese were hiding. Of course, if Rory's head is bigger on the inside than the outside, then maybe the ducks really were hiding in Rory's head. Which means that Rory's not the Master, he's the Master's TARDIS...... oh dear.

  • Sept. 19, 2012, 10:39 a.m. CST

    No Series 8 commission yet could be GOOD news

    by SgtHowie

    The advantage of not going ahead with shooting Series 8 until early 2014 is that it throws up the possibility of a genuine surprise recast of the Doctor in the final 2013 episode. Usually it is impossible to keep the big cast change secret because the new Doctor will already be filming the NEXT series many months ahead of their TV debut at the end of the PRESENT series. But if the schedule proposed earlier goes ahead then a new Doctor could secretly film a regeneration scene and then have NO connection with Doctor Who until AFTER that episode is broadcast. It's the situation that happened a few years ago with Catherine Tate's surprise appearance at the end of Series 2. The Christmas Special didn't start filming until after that one scene had been screened so her involvement had been kept secret. For a surprise regeneration to be in the 23-11-13 episode, it would probably exclude a Christmas Special for that year because the new Doctor would have had to film that episode before November, and the secret would be out. A surprise regeneration in a 2013 Christmas Special WOULD work out if filming of Series 8 didn't start until early 2014 for broadcast that Autumn.

  • Sept. 19, 2012, 11 a.m. CST

    good points, sgthowie, and a follow up thought

    by DoctorTom

    What if the 50th anniversary celebration isn't going to be contained just to the special shown in November, but they decide to have it include both the (so far hypothetical) November special and the Christmas special? It might be like The End of Time (though hopefully not with anime-leaping Masters in it...and don't you know that the people who complained about the Master pulling the slime stuff in the McGann movie had to be very upset about what was done to him in The End of Time?) or just more tenous - Doctor regenerating, maybe some plot thread that continues from the November special into the new one even though a lot of the stuff in the November special is dealt with. I guess that might make it (going back to Master comparisons) something like Logopolis and Castrovalva. Though with a bigger budget. And probably not having Christopher Bidmead writing it.

  • Promotional pictures posted at the Doctor Who News Page The first picture's very interesting - you have Amy reading the New York Record. Normally I'd say that this is fine because they didn't want to use a real newspaper's name. The headline, however, says that the Detroit Lions win the Superbowl. Does this mean that the episode is set February 4, 2013? (the clothing would be consistent with that, but could also be consistent with November or later October) Or does it mean that there have been some changes in the universe? I can't make out what the smaller headline on the left hand column is - can anybody make it out?

  • The eyepatches that let people remember the Silents - is it possible that the data might also be relayed to CAL in the Library? I'm not saying River's behind her own kidnapping, but I'm wondering whether her digital self might be watching in though those in some occasions - if they can relay signals to a Flesh Avatar through time and space, can the same happen with data from an eyeDrive?

  • Sept. 19, 2012, 1:06 p.m. CST

    Glen - email response

    by Mister Vertue

    Just read your email and I've replied. I know it was time sensitive, so I hope I've been able to get back to you in time. Good luck!

  • Sept. 19, 2012, 1:12 p.m. CST

    The new Director General at the BBC...

    by Mister Vertue

    Not sure if anyone knows about the new guy in charge at the Beeb (George Entwistle), but he's a bit of a Doctor Who fan and that can only bode well for the future of the show, especially with the anniversary looming for 2013. Wonder if he can arrange for some extra funding to make things just that little bit more spectacular next year? Surely that news will give some optimism to any doubters who remain in the Docbacks!

  • Sept. 19, 2012, 1:25 p.m. CST

    I saw that news article, MOv and felt happy

    by DoctorTom

    If he had been in a year or two ago, we might still have had Doctor Who Confidential. Truth be told, though, given that they are still doing small behind the scenes interviews for the different stories, that's probably much of what we'd need from that. I do hope those bits will end up collected in at least the full season set.

  • Sept. 19, 2012, 1:32 p.m. CST

    The appointment of George Entwistle is good news

    by V'Shael

    but it's a bit late in the day for him to rejuggle the budget for 2013 in time to produce anything approaching an 8th season of episodes to air in 2013.

  • Sept. 19, 2012, 1:44 p.m. CST

    Thank you MOV!

    by Kevin Bolinger

    Good news indeed. Gives me hope that things will continue to go in a good direction! As always, you bring a bright spark to the darkness of our despair :)

  • Sept. 19, 2012, 2:54 p.m. CST

    peter jackson would like to direct a doctor who episode

    by bongo dummy I didn't see a headline on the main page for this. Maybe it is brought up in that Hobbit trailer thread but I didn't look.

  • Sept. 19, 2012, 3:49 p.m. CST


    by Richard carpenter

    Love reading these docbacks after watching the latest ep. And peoples opinions on where things could be going. Like to jump in with one if you don't mind... (if nobody has brought it up yet) Along with the apparent eggs and lightbulbs, Christmas has also been mentioned in the 3 episodes so far. (I think..) "...Come on it's christmas" - AOTD "Who has a christmas list?" "I do!" - DOAS "Has somebody been peeking at my christmas list" - ATCM Just a thought :)

  • Sept. 19, 2012, 4:22 p.m. CST

    Spoilery blurb for Time of the Angels

    by DoctorTom

    I hadn't seen this blurb before, but combined with the official blurb I've seen before...hoo boy. SPOILERS, MOST LIKELY! The Doctor, Amy and Rory visit modern-day New York. But the Weeping Angels are lurking here too. When one of the TARDIS crew is zapped back to 1938, Amy discovers that time can’t always be rewritten, not once it’s written in stone. ********* END SPOILERS Bleeding Cool also has several photos from the episode that I haven't seen before. I think these were not supposed to have been released until next week but leaked out.

  • Sept. 19, 2012, 4:46 p.m. CST


    by bongo dummy

    When I posted the above I didn't think that some of the Topics at the top were sticky topics. So I didn't see that the Jackson "news" was in the TV section. (resisting mentioning how little this site's design has changed in umpteen years. and how looking deeper isn't always the greatest way to find new stuff or updated stuff)

  • Sept. 19, 2012, 4:50 p.m. CST

    re: spoiler blurb

    by bongo dummy

    see that is what I thought. I'm gonna assume that it isn't K-9's backup unit that was in a space closet. btw, since there is a more recent Who related thread, does that mean that is where the action should go? Or, does this one continue to be active with new posting?

  • Sept. 19, 2012, 4:54 p.m. CST

    Why a duck? Why a no chicken?

    by veteran_of_mu

    ( - listen to the fellow in the bow tie) Now I know a thing or two about crack-pot ideas. That's my business after all. And I don't know about you fellows but every other time I saw a crack in DW I *saw* a crack in DW. A crack eating a duck or two - or even a chicken - may hold water. But then the question is not why there's no ducks but why there's water left in the pond. You'd expect the crack to drain the pond like a ... well, like a viaduct. Or a why a no chicken ... And ducks are not merely waterfowl. They are also airfowl. They get around. Amy says there's never any ducks on the duck pond. So your crack must still be in the pond or otherwise some new ducks would have come along recently. If the Doc had seen a crack he'd have been acting like he acted when he saw the other crack. Hmm, Pond, he'd say, here are two more parts of time and space pressed together next to another kind of pond. He'd be amused with the wordplay and condescending to Amy as per usual. Instead he's outraged, bounding and plunging and using his ultra-hyper-focus to figure out what else is going on. Not to mention holding one of his hearts and saying it's too soon. Moff doesn't just throw in continuity like that for no good reason. And for those who think this is just geekery, check out the duck scene in Flesh and Stone. The Doc considers the no ducks (but not a no chicken) prima facie evidence that time has been unwritten. He's fascinated by it - which he has no reason to be since he already knows everything there is to know about cracks not to mention having one to worry about on his doorstep. He thinks it's more important than Amy not remembering the Daleks. He doesn't mention the crack in Amy's wall. Just the no ducks (or a chicken). And then he does that extremely odd thing, complete with special FX for emphasis, where he draws a circle in the air with an odd grating sound. That's not some trademark Matt Smith tawdry quirk. It's plotted, scripted, directed and produced to tell us that *This* *Means* *Something*. So ... yes, you may be right, Moff may have dramatically overpromised and underdelivered when he claimed that 2013 will yield more DW than ever before in history. He may have been deluded or TPTB may have cheated or he may have signed something that says he has to only say nice things about stupid decisions. But your theory about the duck pond holds no water and I will not chicken out on asking why ...

  • Sept. 19, 2012, 5:09 p.m. CST

    evilpiccolo - Christmas

    by Mister Vertue

    Well spotted! Is it significant though? Only time will tell... Hopefully our fellow Docbackers will jump in and comment further on your observation because I think you might be on to something there (along with others mentioning the flickering lights).

  • Sept. 19, 2012, 5:12 p.m. CST

    Amy says there's never any ducks on the duck pond

    by ProfWimsey

    Right: because there are almost never ducks in duck ponds. The Doctor is showing how weird he is to expect the idiom to mean what it says (and, obviously, what it used to mean). This is called "character development." It is a story-telling device in and of itself.

  • Sept. 19, 2012, 5:20 p.m. CST

    of course, there's an obvious alternative....

    by ProfWimsey

    .... and that's the old "the animals sense that there is something wrong with the place." But, seriously, if you consider this an "unanswered question," then you are not just missing the forest for the trees, you are missing the forest for the leaves!

  • Sept. 19, 2012, 5:51 p.m. CST


    by veteran_of_mu

    The Doc is just a weird guy. The show is just a kid's show. And the Docback is just any talkback. Nothing in it for adults except Amy's legs and Oswin's boobs. Move along ... Sorry mate, not moving. You're entitled to blow off the Doc's behaviour as tawdry quirks, the show as an excuse to sell plastic Sonics, and good luck to you with that. Me, I'm in it for the HATs. You don't like that, complain to the management.

  • Sept. 19, 2012, 6:37 p.m. CST

    Miss you all.

    by gotilk

    I've been trying to catch up, but I'm running out of free time. Great DocBack! I'm moving, so see your all briefly on the weekend. Be well!

  • Sept. 19, 2012, 7:29 p.m. CST

    The Ducks and Memory

    by bongo dummy

    Do you remember that apparently Amelia forgot that stars existed? She forgot the stars, no one knew that stars ever existed. It wouldn't surprise me if that is the main significance of the ducks/duck pond. Also, keep in mind, somehow, Amelia forgot about her parents, too. So, in The Eleventh Hour, there were things which should have been there yet were not. I really don't understand the theory of how The Master's TARDIS was sitting in that spot and no one knew it. -- As for Rory's ID badge having the wrong date on it...I got a theory...but it ain't that he's The Master. I'll find out if I'm right or wrong after the next episode.

  • Sept. 19, 2012, 8:53 p.m. CST


    by veteran_of_mu

    Very much want to hear your HAT. If you wait till it's proved or disproved it won't be a HAT any more … On Amy remembering or forgetting the ducks … well, if Daleks and Parents can be sucked into cracks, it's certainly possible Ducks could be too. But not Stars - Amy remembered them when no one else did. BUT, It's still rum for the Doc to react like that. He might say, hmm, no Ducks on that pond, interesting. But outrage … no, something else is up with that. Now I won't be surprised if TATNY will kill the Rory as Master HAT stone dead. It would have had more recent foreshadowing if Moff were going for it. But I reckon that's someone's invisible Tardis on that duck pond all right …

  • Sept. 19, 2012, 9:44 p.m. CST

    Okay, here's one possible solution then... (spoilers possible)

    by V'Shael

    If Rory and Amy do go back into the past and then on to Leadworth and eventually raise Melanie, but their older selves are using new identities in the town... Then we could have the following explanations - 1) The Annette Crosbie character really did recognise the Doctor (even though when she says this to him, he hasn't met her yet) 2) Young Rory could be using an old badge of Old Rory, which is why it was issued in 1990. 3) When they first arrived in Leadworth, one of them could refer to the Duck Pond in earshot of someone else. And the name just catches. Give it a few decades, and everyone knows it as the Duck Pond, even though there's never been any ducks in it.

  • Sept. 20, 2012, 2:56 a.m. CST

    @v'shael - Love It!

    by veteran_of_mu

    Occam favours your HAT by a country mile. Though if Old Rory walks away from another frisking by the Doc pulling a watch out of his pocket I shall still do a happy dance.

  • Sept. 20, 2012, 3:31 a.m. CST

    Peter Jackson ?!?!?

    by HornOrSilk It seems that Peter Jackson is willing to direct an episode. All it takes is for them to film it in NZ!

  • Sept. 20, 2012, 5:12 a.m. CST

    New Whotininnies this week?

    by Ken Plume

    For those that may be interested in such things, there will be a new Whotininnies this week. Saturday evening, to be exact, though we are recording it today, if all goes to plan. Not that our plans don't often go pear-shaped. But rest-assured, we will be talking in a spoiler-y fashion about The Power Of 3, and also revealing the secret of Omega's Duck Pond. Or not. Maybe it'll just be a frank discussion of Moffatt's bowling skills, which I hear will be a runner in Series 10, which he wrote last year and the BBC plans to air in 5-minute chunks over the next 17 years. Either way, it'll be a cracking good time... What with the ducks and all.

  • Is that where we are headed? And if it is in NZ with Jackson, might this also lead to another chance for a multi-Doctor story if some sort, with McCoy being involved? I'm thinking the best thing to do would be a "Day of the Dead" kind of DW episode, where dead-Doctors come back to life... maybe using "The Dark Dimension" as a suggestion, but instead of having only one Doctor caught up in the quandary, having each incarnation of the Doctor continuing to exist after they were supposed to regenerate... and the Doctors have to come to terms with each other and figure out whose timeline must be kept...

  • I mean ... they could probably just take a cut of the profits and let one of the normal PJ movie investors pay for the whole thing out of the interest on the change that fell out of PJ's pocket when LOTR hit. Just thinking out loud ...

  • Sept. 20, 2012, 8:25 a.m. CST

    If I was able to commission season 8 today...

    by V'Shael

    and we stuck to the same timetable as 2011, then season 8 could (in theory) begin filming in May 2013. Which means it would be ready to air in November 2013. Since it hasn't been commissioned, I think 2013 will be a year of the latter half of season 7, and at least one special. Probably 2. Hopefully more. But I doubt it. If the BBC had not pushed season 7 to cover two years, then I think their contempt for the 50th anniversary would be much more apparent. But that's just me.

  • Sept. 20, 2012, 9:10 a.m. CST


    by HornOrSilk

    Certainly someone somewhere is not thinking this out right. One would think, even if they didn't like Doctor Who, the heads at the BBC would know a good thing when they have it on their doorstep!

  • Sept. 20, 2012, 10:07 a.m. CST

    @hornorsilk - It's possible I'm being paranoid

    by V'Shael

    after all, I grew up during the era when the BBC did kill the show off, because the head of the BBC actually hated the show. It didn't matter if it was popular. They put it up against the second most popular show in the country, and watched the ratings decline to nothing, slashed the budget, then put the show on hiatus, etc... etc.... The BBC doesn't have shareholders to answer to. They can make decisions which will negatively affect its revenue stream, and no one will really give a shit. Take, for example, the recent decision to cut the budget across the board, by 20 percent, which was one of the factors in cancelling Confidential. That decision was made across the board - all shows, all productions. The smart thing would have been to shave 20 percent by targetting the shows which have no cultural merit, and aren't performing up to the task. Shows which have cultural benefit or have shown profitable revenue streams, should have been left alone. But that would require careful analysis, and planning. Far easier to just say *Cut everything by 20% or else!* and then go play golf for the rest of the week - job done, I made my cuts at the BBC.

  • SPOILER PART OF THE BLURB: When one of the TARDIS crew is zapped back to 1938. Now, 1938 is when the TARDIS landed in Germany for Let's Kill Hitler. Is there going to be a link between the Doctor coming out in a tux in that episode, and members of the TARDIS crew in 1938 (again)? Do we perhaps have whoever's sent back call the TARDIS and get the Doctor in the same time zone? Or is it just a coincidence about the year. Something to ponder for the next 9 days.

  • The only thing sticking now is that mention in the blurb of sending a member of the TARDIS crew (and we can guess it's Rory from the other blurb that's out for the story) back to 1938. That's 52 years before 1990. It would be the right age for Rory to be an oldster in town (Amy too, if she ends up going into the past), but that means that the older Rory should look visibly older with a 1990 badge - unless he's still plastic (which then raises even more questions about how Melody Pond was born). This doesn't rule out time travel by TARDIS to 1990 for some reason, but I'm having more of a feeling that we're not going to get the 1990 badge resolved.

  • Sept. 20, 2012, 10:15 a.m. CST


    by DoctorTom

    Thanks, Ken! And Glen! Good to hear!

  • Sept. 20, 2012, 11:02 a.m. CST

    @DoctorTom - Ah yes, but who's to say they have to stay in 1938?

    by V'Shael

    We have seen photos in the Orphanage (from the 60's) of Amy raising her baby. Just because the Angels send them to 1938, doesn't mean they have to stay there. So long as they meet their destiny, (let's say, Rory's gravestone says he dies in 2001, aged 50) that means he has to live say, his final 18 years under his new identity, starting in 1983... I'm not saying that's how it will happen. I just think it could happen that way. And I'm more convinced than ever that the Amy photos in the orphanage will have to be explained in this way.

  • Sept. 20, 2012, 11:47 a.m. CST

    Remember, even the Doctor and Martha were sent back in time

    by HornOrSilk

    Which is one of the things which is off with Blink...

  • Sept. 20, 2012, 2:30 p.m. CST

    What is Moffington?

    by Merrick

    Find out on this week's WHOTININNES, available Saturday night.

  • Sept. 20, 2012, 2:33 p.m. CST

    Moffington is...

    by Ken Plume

    Well, that is the question. The question that will only be answered this Saturday evening. (not a duck pond)

  • Sept. 20, 2012, 2:55 p.m. CST

    Maybe it's

    by DoctorTom

    ....a suburb of Upper Leadworth... ...the answer to the question Doctor Who?.... ...a town that doesn't have any roads going to it, at least according to the new Map app for iOS 6 (which doean't make it an eerie spot, but just like every other city in the new Map app).... ....the name of a General that Matt Smith will play in a new Carry On movie... ...what the first duck that actually showed up at the pond in Leadworth is named... ...2000 pounds of Moffings... ...someone who actually wants to use the name Moffington-Smythe, but thinks that that longer name might make him sound pretentious... ....what they're going to rename Cardiff (with related cities Daviestown and Gaimanville)....

  • Sept. 20, 2012, 4:03 p.m. CST

    @hornorsilk - Yes, they were sent back in time.

    by V'Shael

    Without access to the Tardis. I don't see how that's a problem in Blink. And if Rory is sent back to 1938, I don't see how the Doctor can't just go back in the Tardis and fetch him back.

  • Sept. 20, 2012, 4:11 p.m. CST

    my 'HAT' /spoiler?

    by bongo dummy

    I'm unsure what HAT means specifically. A theory is what I guess it means. If that is the T in the acronym, the HA hopefully doesn't stand for laughter. My theory about Rory's badge as already been broached by others since I mentioned it. And, that upcoming episode spoiler of someone being sent back in time points to me likely being more right than wrong. -I mixed up Amy remembering the stars. Yes, she was the only one who remembered them. But, the premise--as far-fetched as it is-- is that the universe is as Amy remembers it. So, I guess that means if there were no ducks in the pond, there were no ducks in the pond after the Big Bang II. -As for the orphanage and the photos of Amy and Child, I had forgotten that. That is more of a loose thread than the ducks! Then there is the little astronaut assassin popping up in NYC, regenerating in the alley (and how she ended up in England as the same age as Rory/Amy?) I think all of this River stuff should have been cleared up long ago in one fell swoop. It would have been easier and just as clever if some of it hadn't been included in the first place though, imo. Though, I am sure it will be an interesting story to find out the early part of her life.

  • Sept. 20, 2012, 4:28 p.m. CST

    v'shael - potential complication that I can see

    by DoctorTom

    If Rory's sent back and the first the Doctor finds out about it is through meeting a much older Rory, he might not be able to change his timestream then.

  • Sept. 20, 2012, 4:54 p.m. CST

    Amelia/Amy HAT....Half A$$ed Theory, right?

    by Cletus1974

    So I went back to watch The 11th Hour again, to see what all the Duck Pond fuss was about, and I can see why everyone is so keen on it, but what really stuck out for me was something I haven't seen anyone talk about yet. After the Doctor sends the Atraxxi off running, he runs back to the Tardis which is suddenly magnificently new, steps inside and disappears. When he comes back and finds Amy again it's been 2 years. The funny thing is, after he disappears and before he comes back to find Amy on the night before her wedding, there is a shot of Amelia all packed and ready to go (Most likely 5 minutes after he originally left), when she looks up and the sound of the Tardis appearing can be heard. Now call me crazy, but Amy has never said anything about the Doctor popping back in between her first encounter and the initial 12 years he was gone. Did the Doctor go back and keep his word? Is he travelling between dimensions? One dimension in which Amy is left waiting for 12 years, and another where the Doctor came back 5 minutes later? Maybe that's why the Doctor seems to be away from the Ponds longer and longer. He always seems shocked by how long it's been. Maybe Amelia is the one in the photo at the orphanage, not Amy. Maybe the duck pond in one dimension is loaded with ducks, and the other not. The Doctor did step through the crack in Amelia's wall (Or at least that's what was supposed to have happened). So theoretically he did cross over into Prisoner 0's dimension. Maybe there are 2 Doctors as well. I find it hard to believe that this could all be worked out in 2 episodes though. Of course it could explain Oswin/Clara as well. In one universe she becomes a Dalek, and in the other a companion.

  • Sept. 20, 2012, 5:13 p.m. CST

    More HAT

    by Cletus1974

    What if there is another Tardis? Maybe the brand spanking new Tardis the Doctor walked into in the 11th Hour was from another dimension? It was parked outside the Amelia's house where there was a crack between dimensions. And we know of at least one prisoner that escaped. And just how did the Atraxxi manage to cross over from Prisoner 0's dimension to threaten to incinerate ours? I liked the thory about another Tardis invisibly parked in the Duck Pond someone posted earlier, but couldn't it also be the Doctor's from the other dimension? Maybe the Doctor walks in one Tardis and out another which arrived at a different timein a different dimension than he thought. 5 minutes in one is 12 years in the other.

  • Sept. 20, 2012, 5:29 p.m. CST

    @Cletus - I always took that to mean

    by V'Shael

    that the sleeping Amy heard the TARDIS, and it was incorporated into a dream she was having - a dream she'd been having all her life, that the Doctor wouldn't have abandoned her.

  • Sept. 20, 2012, 5:37 p.m. CST

    Amelia Packed and Ready To Go

    by bongo dummy

    If you mean when she was packed and outside waiting for the Doctor to return then in The Big Bang he did return to that point and put her to bed as she fell asleep outside next to her suitcase. If you mean when she was still inside her room and heard the Tardis (if I am remembering it right) then the Tardis sound may not be easily explained. However, do recall that he traveled back to that point to leave her a message telling her to go to the museum. They showed a shadow of him sneaking past the house. But, he didn't take the Tardis when traveling back and I can not recall if she saw his shadow running past the door or if she was upstairs when he returned. So, in total (as far as I can remember and from what's been pointed out) he showed up TWICE between when he said he'd return and when he showed up later and visited her the night before her wedding.

  • Sept. 20, 2012, 5:41 p.m. CST

    HAT officially stands for ... & Multi-Doc theories

    by veteran_of_mu

    Half Arsed Theory. Now we have had an awful lot of Doctors running around in some episodes so the notion that there's more than one is pretty commonplace in these here promiscuous parts. We have had several HATs where they wear different colour bowties ... but last I heard I'm the only one left who believes that. The most obvious source of the many Doctors is the Flesh from the ganger episodes. But then there's the Tesselecta-Doc, the Dream Lord Doc, the one-heart-for-Rose Doc, the Doc locked out of the universe by the crack and trying to get back in, the Doc living inside CAL with the deceased River Song and, oh yeah, the Valeyard. But it could be worse. Remember we saw about 7 billion Masters back in Tennant days. The Doc has that technology too ...

  • Sept. 20, 2012, 5:45 p.m. CST

    @v'shael But she was awake at that point

    by Cletus1974

    What if Amy came back in the Tardis? She learned to "push buttons" from the Doctor after all. Of course it could more likely be River who showed up. And I get that it did seem dreamlike in it's presentation, but wouldn't she then have been a bit more forgiving when he showed up 2 years later immediately following that? I didn 't get the impression that she was somehow more at ease with his absence follwing that scene.

  • Sept. 20, 2012, 5:47 p.m. CST

    Prequel to A Town Called Mercy out now

    by DoctorTom

    It's probably on Youtube, but I found it at Bleeding Cool:

  • Sept. 20, 2012, 5:50 p.m. CST

    @v'shael Amelia wasn't asleep

    by Cletus1974

    In that shot like she was when the Doctor returned to say goodbye during the Big Bang. I wasn't sure if that's the sleeping Amy you were referring to. Not the Amelia that he subliminally told about the borrowed ancient and new blue box, but an awake and waiting Amelia.

  • Sept. 20, 2012, 7:07 p.m. CST

    @v'shael bad, watched it again.

    by Cletus1974

    You were right. Does Amy ever dream of anything other than that night where she is waiting for the Doctor?

  • Honestly, I don't think she ever did. Until he actually came back.

  • Sept. 21, 2012, 5:03 a.m. CST

    @doctortom - You're right of course.

    by V'Shael

    There will have to be some sort of snag, otherwise the Doc could simply go back in the TARDIS and bring Rory back to the present time. As for what that snag is.. I expect the episode will reveal all. I'm still hoping it will have something to do with Annette Crosbie recognising Matt Smith and Rory's badge. Both of those things niggled me far more than any Duck Pond reference.

  • Sept. 21, 2012, 5:26 a.m. CST

    new docback will be posted soon

    by GeptaOO1

    only a couple more hours to wait.... and only 38 and a half hours of my sleep deprived brain can do math left to wait until the new ep... holy dangling modifier.... that sentence if it could be called that is horrendous

  • Sept. 21, 2012, 5:32 a.m. CST

    @ v'shael

    by GeptaOO1

    good morning, afternoon, or evening depending on whichever it is in your part of the world :)

  • Sept. 21, 2012, 6:05 a.m. CST

    @mavalcar - in the words of Douglas Adams,

    by V'Shael

    it's lunchtime.

  • Sept. 21, 2012, 6:14 a.m. CST


    by GeptaOO1

    Have you seen the Dirk Gently tv series?

  • Sept. 21, 2012, 7:58 a.m. CST

    Yeah, I didn't think it was as good as the pilot they shot.

    by V'Shael

    They seemed to be too influenced by the Sherlock success when it went to series. By making Richard his long time companion and co-detective, instead of a client, they were trying to make a Watson type character. Know what I mean?