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The Friday Docback Undertakes 'The Chase'!! DOCTOR WHO Story #16, And More!!

Merrick here...

...with a look at "The Chase," a Hartnell-era DOCTOR WHO story which transmitted May-June 1965.  

Terry Nation is credited with scripting this tale, although the DVD's extras imply more than one person may ultimately have had a hand in the penning of this adventure.  

"The Chase" introduces a new companion for the Doctor and Vicki, and exits a pair of old friends.  



A brand new WHOTININNIES podcast is online, for better or worse.  

An indispensable testament to why anyone producing a podcast should edit their work, WHOTININNIES 10 is....much like "The Chase"...perhaps our most ADD and fragmented effort to date.  This week's topics include...

** The wonder and horror of THE STAR WARS HOLIDAY SPECIAL


** A protracted and non-productive distraction by eBay

** Glen's desk collapses during the podcast, making typing impossible and threatening to drop his entire computer to the floor

** a recap of "The Chase"

** a brief preoccupation with the Sexual Happyness Woman Cat Animal Dress 

** numerous communications lags as our Skype connection hiccups, or something

** a tease about an upcoming DOCTOR WHO related announcement which shoiuld happen on AICN this week via a mid-week mini-Docback posting as well as on AICN's main page...

** contemplation of the word "droidgasm"...

** and more! 


WHOTININNIES 10 can be found HERE, while previous installments are available HERE.  




We posted the previous installment of WHOTININNIES at an odd time last weekend.  In case you missed it, here's the link once more.  Keep your eye on this very space for another installment, later today (Friday Feb 17) or over the weekend.  Links forthcoming.  

The current WHOTININNIES 9 considers:  

** the greatness of Kubrick's PATHS OF GLORY 

** the misguidednesss of THE THING (2011) 

** the awesomeness of WINGS (1927) 

** the not-so-awesomeness of RED TAILS

** lambasting PHANTOM MENACE 3D and the STAR WARS Special Editions in general 

** pondering why contemporary Science Fiction television and film rarely seems to carry social resonance

** why DOCTOR WHO: "The Sensorites" may've ended up sucking when it didn't have to

** an exaltation of ICE PIRATES 

** a disagreement regarding DOCTOR WHO: "The Caves of Androzani" 

** Ken evokes Rick Moranis and sends me into a PTSD meltdown 

** and more!! 

You can find  WHOTININNIES 9 HERE, with previous episodes being available HERE.  





"Help yourself to a piece of eternity..." Stephen Taylor - DOCTOR WHO - “The Chase” Part 6 - ‘The Planet of Decision’ 
For the purposes of this Docback, “The Chase” emerges as a fascinating contradiction.  For all its scale and ambition, it is a rather high concept, straight-forward tale whose ultimate payoff lies not in the resolution if its primary plot line, but in its emotionally charged exit of Ian (William Russell) and Barbara (Jacqueline Hill) - the Doctor’s most longtime and stalwart companions up to this point in the show’s history. In fact, in many regards this six part story acts as little more than a platform to enable their jettisoning.    
Accordingly, because this story is conspicuously low on substantive thematics, the write-up below will partake in a healthy portion of plot description and assessment.  So, considering yourself warned.  I’m actually leaving OUT quite a number of pointed details about this story - I personally don’t consider anything herein to be heinously spoilerous.  However, if you wish to remain completely in the dark until seeing “The Chase” for yourself?  Well, you decide where to go from here. 
Early in the story, Ian is reading a "Monsters from Outer Space Book" - proclaiming it to be "far fetched."  
When distilled to its barest essence, “The Chase” finds the Doctor and companions Ian, Barbara, and Vicki being pursued across time and space by a cadre ambitiously snarky Daleks who are determined to exact revenge on our heroic travelers.  Seems these Daleks are pissed that the Doctor stalled/thwarted their conquest of our planet in “The Dalek Invasion of Earth" - and now they’re rolling out to kick the old man’s ass, vowing to pursue him through “eternity” if necessary.  
Given that Hartnell portrayed the first of eleven Doctors (to date), it’s not much of a spoiler to reveal that these dippy Daleks yet again miss their mark - their eventual routing leaves their time/space device unmanned and fully functional.  Evidently sensing they may never return to their time of origin unless they take drastic action (is the Doctor’s failure to get them “home” genuine incompetence, or a deliberate stalling tactic?), Ian and Barbara seize the opportunity to use the Dalek time/space device to return to their London 1963 lives. 
The exit of Ian and Barbara is not an easy one - high tension and genuine strife and intensity abounds as the duo argues a stubborn and condescending Doctor into acquiescence (they need his knowledge to program and target the Daleks' time/space mechanism).  He never condones their departure - at best he petulantly tolerates it.  
These closing moments, and this tempestuous farewell, represent what are perhaps the show’s most edgy confrontation to this point in its run...possibly equalled only by the riveting histrionics of Jean Marsh and Julian Glover in “The Crusade.”  There is genuine hostility and heat surrounding the duo’s departure - in this DVD’s commentary, William Russell (Ian) indicates that Hartnell’s real world reaction to the exodus of Hill and Russell’s was not dissimilar to what we see on screen.  In their final sequence together, it would seem, there’s not only excellently performed drama...but an uneasy, voyeuristic truth.  
In the episode’s closing moments, we see Ian and Barbara frolicking around London via a series of stills (a sequence actually overseen by Douglas Camfield, the subsequent episode’s director).  
The two are giddily, deliriously free.  A final tag reveals the Doctor’s true reaction to their departure - strongly implying that his interest in keeping them at his side was essentially to fill a void he was refusing to admit he had.  Ian and Barbara are not privy to the Doctor’s touching coda, lending a bittersweet tragedy and sting to this rather amazing conclusion.  
“The Chase” is more or less a romp, occurring over several settings across several time periods.  The story’s mechanics are greatly enabled by the Doctor’s newly acquired Time Space Visualizer - retrieved at the conclusion of "The Space Museum,”  the show’s previous episode chronologically.  The Visualizer is, essentially, a television on steroids - allowing the Doctor to eavesdrop on any point in history.  With this Visualizer, one can watch Abraham Lincoln (Robert Marsden ) offer The Gettysburg Address, or see Queen Elizabeth the First (Viviennne Bennett) talking to Shakespeare (Hugh Walters).  The device also allows our heroes to witness the Daleks proclaiming unending vengeance against the Doctor, allowing them to get a head start on these scuzzy little pepperpots.  And when this happens the game is afoot, propelling our heroes and villains on a journey which moves them across multiple locations and time frames.  Visiting settings like...
--- the twin-sunned Planet Aridius, where Daleks stalk a desolate “Sagaro Desert” and carnivorous “Mire Beasts” terrorize a monster-weary underground...
--- New York City, 1966.  Where our heroes encounter Morton Dill (Peter Purves), a (not terribly convincing) hick from Alabama whose performance so impressed producer Verity Lambert that she immediately cast him as astronaut Steven Taylor, a replacement companion for Ian and Barbara. Oddly, Steven Taylor’s first appearance is later in this very same story.  I.e. Purves plays two distinct roles here.  
 --- 1872 on the Mary Celeste (a "crummy old ship" per Ian),  where Captain Briggs (David Blake Kelly)  and his crew mistake our recently arrived heroes for stowaways - a suspicion quickly rendered irrelevant by the Dalek arrival on the vessel.  The Mary Celeste, by the way, is a real world ship which was discovered adrift and inexplicably abandoned, with all valuables still on-board.  This story’s explanation for WHY this happened is certainly humorous, although a tad over the top.  
-- a haunted(ish) mansion of some sorts, populated by Frankenstein’s monster (John Maxim), Count Dracula (Malcolm Rogers), and other spooky denizens.  
The Doctor’s over thought mis-estimation of this circumstance leads to one of the early WHO’s most genuinely humorous and charmingly character effacing gags...
--- and, finally, the planet Mechanus.  
Where “Mechonoids” (human-built robots sent to pave the way for a colonization which never arrived) patrol endlessly, securing their environment against all intruders...a protocol reversible only with code cyphers neither our travelers nor their Dalek pursuers possess. Resulting in a Dalek -vs- Mechonoid smackdown which is sure to stir even the most cold-hearted Geek.  
It is on Mechanus that the Doctor and company encounter the aforementioned companion to be.    It is on Mechanus that Ian and Barbara decide it’s time to move on...
There’s a saying in Texas: “If you don’t like the weather, wait five minutes...”  - this pretty much sums up “The Chase.”  Easily the most ADD DOCTOR WHO story up to this point in the show’s progression, “The Chase” never focuses on any one concept long enough to bog itself down.  Nor does it give viewers much time to fully absorb or consider anything that’s happening.  Are these negative qualities?  Not at all - they’re merely atypical sensibilities for a show which, in its early years, frequently spent too much time accomplishing too little.  Accentuating the story’s odd structure is the inescapable truth that its principal reward doesn’t rise from its own plot line.  Instead, it depends solely on viewers’ familiarity with the show and its characters to achieve its big payoff.  
“The Chase” was originally targeted to be a third installment in Peter Cushing’s bizarroverse bigscreen DR. WHO adventures - succeeding his DR. WHO AND THE DALEKS and DALEKS: INVASION EARTH: 2150 A.D.  The pacing and nature of this particular tale might have worked quite wonderfully as a fast-paced, oversized adventure spectacle.  The underperformance of DALEKS: INVASION EARTH: 2150 A.D. eventually sunk big screen designs for this story, but I did find myself wondering if the funkiness of iits structure might simply have been a result of Nation & Co. anticipating its eventual translation into a considerably more breezy and concise motion picture.  
Strange, goofy, and chock full o’ “What the hell were they ON?” moments, “The Chase” is breezy fun and loaded with a generous portion of memorable iconography (Daleks on the Mary Celeste!).  At the end of the day, that’s not a bad note for Ian and Barbara to go out on.  Not a bad note at all.  
"The Chase" is available on a three disc DVD set which also includes "The Space Museum."  You can find them HERE in the U.S. and HERE in the U.K.  







"The Impossible Astronaut"

"Day of the Moon"

"The Curse of the Black Spot"

"The Doctor's Wife"

"The Rebel Flesh"

"The Almost People"

"A Good Man Goes To War"

"Let's Kill Hitler"

"Night Terrors"


"The Doctor, The Widow and the Wardrobe" (2011 Christmas Special)  



"An Unearthly Child" (Story #1)

"The Daleks" (Story #2)

"The Edge of Destruction" (Story #3)

"Marco Polo" (Story #4)

"The Keys of Marinus(Story #5)

"The Aztecs" (Story #6)

"The Sensorites" (Story #7)

"The Sensorites" (Story #7 - full DVD release) 

"The Reign of Terror" (Story #8)

"Planet of Giants" (Story #9) 

"The Dalek Invasion of Earth" (Story #10)

"The Rescue" (Story #11) 

"The Romans"  (Story #12) 

"The Web Planet" (Story #13) / SHERLOCK - "A Scandal in Belgravia" (Story #4)

"The Crusade" (Story #14) 

"The Space Museum" (Story #15) 

"The Gunfighters" (Story #25)

"The Colony in Space" (Story #58) 

"Day of the Daleks" (Story #60) + Preview of the DotD Special Edition

"Invasion of the Dinosaurs" (Story #71) and SHERLOCK: "The Reichenbach Fall" (Story #6) 

"The Android Invasion" (Story #83) and SHERLOCK: "The Hounds of Baskerville" (Story #5) 

"The Talons of Weng-Chiang" (Story #91)

"The Sun Makers(Story #95)

"The Awakening" (Story #131)

"Frontios(Story #132)

"The Caves of Androzani" (Story #136) 

"Time and the Rani" (Story #144)

"Paradise Towers" (Story #145) + New WHOvian Documentary / Newsbits


Merrick's Personal Journey With The Doctor (How Merrick Got Hooked On DOCTOR WHO)

DOCTOR WHO Title Sequences & DW At Comic-Con 2011

"The Crash of the Elysium" (Manchester version - interactive DOCTOR WHO adventure)

Why Eccleston Left, Here Comes Caroline Skinner, And Season/Series Six Part 1 on Blu-Ray And DVD

New Trailer For Season/Series Six Part 2



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And, above all... 

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  • That is the biggest thing in the story (with the second biggest probably being the introduction of Steven). To me, this story is like Hand of Fear; both aren't particularly memorable stories in and of themselves except for absolutely brilliant scenes at the end where a companion leaves. Having the Dalek timeship called a DARDIS indicates the direction this serial is going to take - not that seriously. For those who don't follow the Bernice Summerfield audios, Jaq Rayner did a beautiful send up of the Chase in her audio The Grel Escape, using Grel (first seen in the first Benny audio, Oh No It Isn't, also featuring Nick Courtney as the cat Wolsey in that story). These are wonderful, deliberately rubbish villains. The audio is highly enjoyable.

  • Feb. 17, 2012, 10:56 a.m. CST


    by DoctorTom

    Back to a weekly schedule? Yaaay!!!!

  • Feb. 17, 2012, 11 a.m. CST

    And in slightly ot news but somewhat related

    by DoctorTom

    BBC4 has announced a new 3 part Dirk Gently series (I don't know when it's airing). The second story's written by Matt Jones (The Impossible Planet/ The Satan Pit), who started writing in Doctor Who magazine and started novel writing with Bad Therapy for the Doctor Who New Adventures line. (This is before he was script editor for Queer as Folk - I suspect that RTD had met him through Who fandom)

  • Feb. 17, 2012, 11:27 a.m. CST

    The Chase: And don't forget that Beatles cameo...

    by obijuanmartinez

    "Ticket to Ride" if I recall correctly!

  • Feb. 17, 2012, 11:29 a.m. CST

    It's easier to forget that in the States

    by DoctorTom

    Unfortunately, due to rights issues that was trimmed from the Region 1 DVD release.

  • Feb. 17, 2012, 11:32 a.m. CST

    @doctortom: Dude - I totally <3 'Hand of Fear'..."Eldrad MUST live!"

    by obijuanmartinez

    1) Loved the Eldrad character in both male & female forms (both actors did great work, especially Judith Paris' interactions w/ Lis Sladen's Sarah) 2) Liked the pre-story showing the demise of Kastria 3) Liked the Kastria sets at the end, and the face-off w/ the holo-image of the long-dead King Rokon 4) The utter awesome 70s-ness is fun as well - Nuclear power plant run-throughs were enjoyable and capture the Cold War mindset admirably 5) Sladen's farewell performance (original, that is...) is solid, and she gets to have some fun when possessed by the will of Eldrad whilst wearing his ring

  • Feb. 17, 2012, 11:42 a.m. CST

    The Chase -- my view

    by HornOrSilk

    It's a silly romp for most of the story, which has its charm (though not of the best quality Doctor Who can achieve), but the ending with Ian and Barbara is well achieved and worth the time it took to see them go. The ending highlights the change in the Doctor from when he picked them up and when they left, how much the Doctor is who he is in part because of them.

  • Feb. 17, 2012, 11:52 a.m. CST


    by DoctorTom

    I'm not saying Hand of Fear was bad. It definitely had good moments. Compared to the rest of that season, though, the only thing it really had going for it was Sarah's leaving. (I'll grant you that it had stiff competition that season - if it had been, say, a Season 24 Sylvester McCoy story it would have been hailed as a return to the classic era.) Masque of Mandragora had this issue of trying to compare to the latter 2/3 of the season also, but it had the Doctor in the time space vortex, a historical setting and Portmeiron going for it. In some ways, I'd like to have seen it if they had gone ahead with the original 6 part version with the Brigadier and UNIT in it. Like the Chase, Hand of Fear worked for showcasing the people about to leave the show. Lis Sladen did well with the Eldrad possession bit, and the ending was one of the best things she's done.

  • I'm just waiting to see if this theory leads to someone actually establishing Project TOMTIT

  • Feb. 17, 2012, 12:23 p.m. CST

    That elusive third Dalek movie...

    by Ted Maul

    Some talented chap has put together an inspired mock trailer for that abandoned movie version of The Chase. Essential viewing for all fans of 60s British camp/cool!

  • Feb. 17, 2012, 1:15 p.m. CST

    Loved The Chase as a kid

    by sunspot_mike

    I came to the Hartnell years after already watching Baker, Pertwee, and Davison in the early 80's and I wasn't sure how much I'd like the really early stuff (especially after reading the Doctor Who production books that talked about how the early episodes were full of script flubs and production errors.) The Chase was one that I really enjoyed. It didn't drag anywhere too long, I liked the Marie Celeste, the Halloween monsters, and I thought Steven was great. Ian and Barbara's departure was poignant and a great scene. Hand of Fear is the first episode of Doctor Who that I can remember seeing ever and it was instantly the greatest piece of television that I'd ever seen up to that point. It's a stone cold classic to me, after that I wouldn't miss an episode ever. Even when Doctor Who was opposite the Green Bay Packers (and in Wisconsin, that's damn near unforgivable.)

  • Feb. 17, 2012, 1:18 p.m. CST

    That Was Actually A Very Interesting Read

    by IAmTommyWiseau

    Merrick, you done good.

  • Feb. 17, 2012, 1:49 p.m. CST

    I really...

    by Kevin Bolinger

    Need to catch up on my Hartnell episodes. As I said, it is on my to do list. I will say though, that this past summer at a convention, I did run into a woman dressed as Hartnell, so that was awesome. Got a pic with her, so, it was me as the 11th, and her as the first, way cool :P

  • Feb. 17, 2012, 2:17 p.m. CST

    @darthdevious: Doctor Who - The Lost Years is a good set to check out...

    by obijuanmartinez

    ...covers some really good Hartnell material, inc. one of my faces "The Celestial Toymaker"

  • Feb. 17, 2012, 2:21 p.m. CST

    doctortom mentioned 'Masque of Mandragora' - LOVE that one too...

    by obijuanmartinez

    Can watch it over & over. Love the period-piece setting & costumes, the location shots, and the bit characters are really solid from Hieronymous, Count Federico, Giuliano on down...and it has the TARDIS' secondary control room: Steampunk ahead of its time!

  • Feb. 17, 2012, 2:37 p.m. CST

    Bonjour de France! Très bon Mèrrick!

    by Mister Vertue

    Late to the Docback this week, but I'll check in again later this week when I get a chance to. Quick word on The Chase though. I actually quite like this one. Not the greatest Dalek story ever told, but definitely worth it for the ending and the character progression of the Doctor. Sarah Jane's departure is still one of the most touching so far. At least for now...

  • Feb. 17, 2012, 2:39 p.m. CST

    From France to Spain

    by Mister Vertue

    I won't be going to Spain myself, but I'm wondering if any of you will be in Spain for the next week or two, possibly three. Just curious. If you are in that part of the world, or perhaps visiting on holiday, keep your eyes and ears open.

  • Feb. 17, 2012, 2:44 p.m. CST

    Meanwhile in Wales

    by Mister Vertue

    Will any of you be attending the official convention in Cardiff on March 24th and 25th? I'm sure it'll be worth your while if you can make it...

  • Feb. 17, 2012, 2:46 p.m. CST

    Oh, and don't forget that filming officially commences soon

    by Mister Vertue

    On Monday, in fact. That may have some connection with the convention and it being worth your while attending. One can only assume the two would be connected somehow, don't you think?

  • Feb. 17, 2012, 2:52 p.m. CST

    So, it's at a Doctor Who convention

    by HornOrSilk

    The Doctor meets his new companion? Does this count as a continuation of Time Crash, where the Doctor admits he has fans?

  • Feb. 17, 2012, 3:28 p.m. CST

    Doctor Who Convention

    by Michael_Jacksons_Ghost

    If I had the money to fly from Florida to the UK for the convention, I would be there in a flash.

  • Feb. 17, 2012, 3:31 p.m. CST

    The second season does so many different things

    by KanekoFan

    Hartnell's Season 2 is one of my favorite Who seasons ever, because it manages to strike so many different tones and tells o many different kinds of stories in such entertaining ways (I even think I'd be rather fond of The Web Planet if it were just two episodes shorter). The Chase is kind of anj oddity for its period, so silly and so hyperactive, but it showcases one of the defining virtues of the show, which is its ability to continually explore new avenues. Plus, yeah, the departure of Ian and Barbara genuinely gets to me, much moreso than the departure of Susan earlier in the year (although overall The Dalek Invasion of Earth is certainly the stronger tale).

  • Feb. 17, 2012, 3:31 p.m. CST

    Re: Dr Who Convention

    by Andy Buckle

    Umm-ed and aaah-ed for ages but finally booked my ticket for Sunday the 25th. Yes, I know I whinged about the prices in an earlier DocBack, but that was mainly because there were no concession prices for kids. Having watched the guest line-up expand, I finally decided to take the plunge. Of course, the fact that I also booked for a photo with Karen Gillan may have swayed me somewhat ;) I am rather annoyed with myself in that my dithering cost me a place on the Tardis tours that are running alongside the convention. You get to go to Upper Boat studios and visit the actual set! Also, it's free if you have a convention ticket. However, my faffing about means that all the Saturday places on the tour are fully booked. Bugger. Still, you know what they say, he who hesitates is a tw*t. Would be great if some other DocBackers were attending, we could perhaps arrange to meet for a sociable half or two? It'd be nice to put some faces to names.

  • Feb. 17, 2012, 3:40 p.m. CST

    gland of omega

    by Michael_Jacksons_Ghost

    How much were the signing prices for each guest? Were they advanced tickets, or pay when in line?

  • Feb. 17, 2012, 3:55 p.m. CST


    by Andy Buckle

    There are only prices for Matt, Karen and Arthur. These are available to pre-book, and you're only allowed to book one signing or photo per admission ticket. Matt's photo or signature were £25 each I believe, though those sold out pretty quickly. Karen and Arthur's photo op. or signing are £20 each. There are plenty of other guests, but not sure what's happening with them regarding photos or autographs. I know The Moff isn't charging, but not sure if he'll be available for a chat and a photo. Hope so. Guess convention goers will find out nearer the time. Having read MOV's comments I'm now even more excited about this than I was before!

  • Feb. 17, 2012, 4:09 p.m. CST

    Awful lot of vieled hints and teasing by MOV

    by Ed

    Thx dude. Thats' fun. :)

  • Because she'd spend the entire season second-guessing his every move. ~hysterical~ ~You're wearing a RED bowtie, and you pressed three RED buttons - that means something, doesn't it?~ ~...It means I had to push three buttons. That were red...~ ~No - no, it was more than that, wasn't it?~!

  • Feb. 17, 2012, 4:34 p.m. CST

    perigee shhhh I'm the next companion. Ok, sorry, I let it out

    by HornOrSilk

    But the Dream Lord made it happen.

  • Feb. 17, 2012, 4:44 p.m. CST

    In your Dreams, Hornorsilk...

    by Perigee

    Tweettweet Tweet tweet...

  • Feb. 17, 2012, 5:12 p.m. CST

    Did you know the Fifth Doctor faced the Dream Lord?

    by HornOrSilk

    A Funny Thing Happened on the Way to Willesden

  • Feb. 17, 2012, 7:07 p.m. CST

    New Whotininnies?

    by Ken Plume

    Very, very soon.

  • Feb. 17, 2012, 8:41 p.m. CST

    rolling out to kick the old man's ass

    by bravogolfhotel

    I really liked the review, but this part was hysterical. Just such a non-Dalek way of putting it.

  • Feb. 18, 2012, 1:41 a.m. CST

    Before I say anything else...

    by gotilk

    That first Mechanus city model is ALL kinds of awesome, is it not?? I have seen not a clip from either of these stories (maybe the Chase... 2 people on a bridge running?) so I'm actually not going to read a single line of text about them here and just grab the DVD, which has what I consider to be the best Doctor Who DVD cover to date. (Suddenly, Gotilk notices the price at Amazon and chokes on his Toblerone) Yes, I'm getting it anyway. *sigh* What on earth justifies almost 40 bucks for that 3 disc set? In any case, I must have it. So.... I'll just cut back on the fast food this month. Bad for me anyway.

  • Feb. 18, 2012, 3:15 a.m. CST

    Merrick: Regarding the affiliate link again...

    by gotilk

    I get something weird this time.... *NoScript filtered a potential cross-site scripting (XSS) attempt from ( Technical details have been logged to the Console.* Now, my concern is NOT about aicn doing something nasty to me. The opposite. I'm concerned that somehow my NoScript install is perhaps screwing up your affiliate link in my browser and not giving you credit for my purchase. So if anyone else here uses NoScript, choose *unsafe re-load* so that the affiliate link works correctly, just in case. I know it sounds TERRIBLE, but there's actually absolutely NOTHING UNsafe about re-loading these particular pages. Nothing. I still don't know what Amazon does these things the way they do, but they do.

  • Feb. 18, 2012, 3:20 a.m. CST

    Come back, come back... or I shall be forced to season your

    by gotilk

    pot roast a second time. DASH DASH upon you all !! You will feel the wrath of my peppery succulence. I shall savor my savory victory! Sorry for peppering this post with black humor. I'm not as seasoned as some of you. Is that enough pepper-pot puns for one evening? I think it is. And I apologize.

  • Feb. 18, 2012, 3:24 a.m. CST


    by gotilk

    I could not let a Friday go by without at least one post with that subject. Thanks for posting it in my stead, Doctortom. By the way, last Whotininnies was one of the best. I still hope you do something special for the 10th podcast. It is a special anniversary.

  • Feb. 18, 2012, 3:26 a.m. CST

    Is the Beatles track really taken out of the region 1 dvd?

    by gotilk

    Dang. That really sucks. Maybe I'll grab the other one and just hope to get a region free player someday soon. I hate it when they do that stuff.

  • Feb. 18, 2012, 6:13 a.m. CST

    Sadly, the Daleks exterminated the Beatles from the Chase

    by HornOrSilk

    Or so it would seem with the DVD.

  • Feb. 18, 2012, 7:57 a.m. CST

    The Beatles on Doctor Who

    by veteran_of_mu

    If you can put up with the KIA ad at the start, here it is: Call me a philistine but I like this better:

  • Feb. 18, 2012, 8:33 a.m. CST

    WHOTININNIES 10 link added to article above

    by Merrick

  • Feb. 18, 2012, 8:43 a.m. CST

    Sadly (or not so much), the Monkees didn't exist 'til 1966! *Giggle*

    by obijuanmartinez

  • Feb. 18, 2012, 9:25 a.m. CST

    warpburton - Not at all!

    by Mister Vertue

    Everything I've said is either out there for you all to see, or pure 'speculation' on my part... And I'll also guess that this will be the last chance to see the current cast together for quite a while, so get those tickets booked for Cardiff if you can folks! It's one hell of a line-up! I'm sure Merrick will give a full report on the events afterwards for anyone who couldn't make it. There's got to be some 'news' announced that'll get the Docback in late March bouncing.

  • Feb. 18, 2012, 9:49 a.m. CST


    by Johnboy40

    Was at SFX weekender convention in Wales a couple of weeks ago. Sylvester McCoy and Colin Bakerwere guests. Both excellent in the Q&As. McCoy did the roving mic himself, which was quality. Baker mentioned the way he thought of to beat Weeping Angels....don't blink, wink. And alternate the eye that you close. Was interesting how much of the actor's own personality inhabits their performance as the doctor. Anyway...Spain. According to Colin Baker, some of !The Two Doctors! Series was filmed in Spain. And the costumes went missing in transit for a few days. So they foiled the time at the villa having various team games, each Doctor teamed with their own assistant. At one point, they were wrestling in the pool. Poor old Patrick Troughton having Fraser Hines sitting on his shoulders. Lucky old Baker having Nicola Bryant sitting on his. Both McCoy and Baker feigned ignorance when the subject of a multiplie Doctor story for the 50th anniversary, although the Moffat could have sworn them to secrecy.

  • Feb. 18, 2012, 9:56 a.m. CST


    by Johnboy40

    Gwen Cooper from Torchwood as new companion. Eve Myles suggested she would be up for it if asked. Discuss?

  • Feb. 18, 2012, 11:13 a.m. CST

    Gwen gets around...

    by Perigee

    I don't think I'd mind it; it would be nice to have a break from the Gee Whiz Girlies for a while, and have someone that knows the score and can handle themselves (somewhat). Considering Torchwood was essentially put together to stop The Doctor, she would fit the ~Last Place~ clue. And, purely as fanwank, it would make a Barrowman return extremely fun. She kinda has that Canton Delaware competence about her... but perky... Yes. Definitely could do that.

  • Feb. 18, 2012, 12:16 p.m. CST

    I could accept Gwen

    by HornOrSilk

    But I would want her to have some response to her own statements about the Doctor/Earth from Children of Earth after some time with the Doctor. I don't think she will be the companion, though. We all know Hitler from an alternative universe will be. Ok, good thing I am joking. Or am I?

  • Feb. 18, 2012, 1:25 p.m. CST


    by gotilk

    Missed your post about a DocBacker being a companion before. Best post in years... I laughed until I cried a bit. It's funny because it's true. Can you imagine buzzing around space and time with some guy telling you *Well, I'm having fun with you, but really I wish (insert McCoy, McGann) were here because he didn't get a fair shot.*? lol Dodging every shadow thinking it was the Dreamlord. (let alone dusting the console for Psychic Pollen constantly)

  • Feb. 18, 2012, 1:30 p.m. CST

    I always loved Gwen.

    by gotilk

    Of course I don't see it happening. Please just let it not be Barrowman. NOT for the obvious reasons some would cite. I'd just get so sick of hearing people say he needs to tone it down. Heck, the most compelling episode of the last Torchwood series featured him being very, very gay in the past. It was a rare glimpse of humanity and good storytelling in a sea of *why are we doing this and why should the audience care?* for that poor, cursed series. I'd be afraid of Jack being toned down too much to be honest.

  • Feb. 18, 2012, 1:30 p.m. CST

    Whotininnies!! Again!!

    by gotilk

    Thanks guys! Just made my weekend.

  • Feb. 18, 2012, 1:32 p.m. CST


    by gotilk

    Were video cameras allowed? I'd LOVE to see that q&a. Sounds like you had a blast.

  • Feb. 18, 2012, 2:59 p.m. CST

    Can't wait to find out why it's *Lumpy*

    by gotilk

    Or do I want to know? Okay, done DocBacking alone. Be back later. I think everyone is sleeping in today... or outside somewhere.

  • Feb. 18, 2012, 3:47 p.m. CST


    by Johnboy40

    they didn't seem to mind people filming, but not being a fan of Torchwood i didn't bother with that one. Eve Myles came across as a pretty nice person though, and was fairly funny. Now, Brian Blessed..I filmed a chunk of that. very very funny man, was like an hour of stand up comedy. The whole weekend was pretty the surreal sight of someone in a proper working dalek with the voice modulator and everything suddenly stop hollering "exterminate" at every one in sight and start apologizing profusely because he bumped into a girl in a wheelchair.

  • Feb. 18, 2012, 5:02 p.m. CST


    by gotilk

    That sounds like it was a BLAST! Blessed IS awesome. He's hilarious and no-one has the physical presence that man has. And the voice? Just wow. I'm so jealous. Any chance the Blessed footage will be YouTubed?

  • Feb. 18, 2012, 11:20 p.m. CST

    Slow DocBack weekend so far, eh?

    by gotilk

    Where is everyone? Is this a holiday long weekend and everyone is away from home or something?

  • Feb. 19, 2012, 3:20 a.m. CST

    Yes, slow weekend

    by HornOrSilk

    The Daleks have chased away the discussions....

  • But I hope the readership is still high.

  • Feb. 19, 2012, 4:02 a.m. CST


    by Johnboy40

    I ain't put mine up for a variety of reasons, but someone else might have....look for SFX weekender 3, I suppose

  • Feb. 19, 2012, 4:16 a.m. CST


    by Johnboy40

    Just checked. They have been put up..Blessed, mules, McCoy.would post links, but I'm using a tab at the moment. And I can't be arsed, if I'm honest....I'll stik a couple up later

  • Feb. 19, 2012, 6:01 a.m. CST

    Observations reading the Sherlock S1E2 script

    by veteran_of_mu

    I now see the problems in this ep. as half in the writing and half in the direction. Soo Lin Yao living above the Lucky Cat is in the screenplay, however, and so are her comments about trying to get away from the smugglers for five years. So that's still a mystery. But ... The "small strong hands" comment doesn't refer to the little boy in the picture, but to the fingerprints on it. Rewatching, it appears the killer gymnast must have been eating messy cream buns prior to handling that photo. To the director's credit he did try to give a visual clue to explain how Sherlock can see fingerprints without dusting for them ... but no way does this scene work ... Holmes and Watson's uncanny knowledge of the number system is supposed to come from their seeing it all over the markets, not just on the bottom of the cup in the Lucky Cat. And Holmes was supposed to have slapped his forehead to indicate that his mistake was not thinking of the code as numbers, and that of course he knew about the system ... There's a very cool shot that didn't make it into the show as filmed - after Soo Lin Yao is dead her teapot has been smashed. Really a shame they didn't do that. Little bits of poetry make shows worth watching. And another - the ~look behind you~ gag that worked on the arabian swordsman was supposed to be tried and failed on the chinese warrior. Without it the second scene is horribly dulled. In the script Sherlock has to hunt for the tramway - he doesn't just find it by magic. Also Zhi Zhu ~The Spider~ is an angular man who kills by tangling his victim in grey silk - which could have been a neat effect if applied properly. So ... it remains to translate the graffiti properly and find out what it actually says ...

  • Feb. 19, 2012, 8:12 a.m. CST

    still reading, not posting much

    by Greg

    Maybe it's since it's the First Doctor stuff. I'd have to watch it to add anything to the discussion, and I'm still going through the Fourth Doctor DVDs I've bought but not watched. I just finished The Invasion of Time, so still have quite a bit to watch. There's also a local place that has some Who DVDs for rent. I watched Sea Devils last week and rented the Silurians for this week (yeah I guess I did it out of order), so I've gotten some viewing of Third Doctor stuff in too.

  • Feb. 19, 2012, 10:32 a.m. CST

    Canton Everett Delaware III

    by Mister Vertue

    You all liked him, right? Just checking. No particular reason...

  • Feb. 19, 2012, 11:06 a.m. CST

    Of course we liked him, MOV

    by DoctorTom

    It would be very fun for him to show up again, either in guest star or full companion capacity (either the 1969 or the 2011 version). Heck, for that matter I don't think anyone would object if either one of the Shepards became the Doctor after Matt Smith decides to leave. Morgan Shepard, especially, would make an interesting choice as a Doctor. It would be funny getting to see how River Song reacts when a Morgan Shepard Doctor shows up to call on her.

  • Feb. 19, 2012, 11:47 a.m. CST

    Matt Smith on Top Gear (UK) next Sunday night

    by DoctorTom

    He'll be the Star in a Reasonably Priced Car. We'll have to see if he's faster than David Tennant.

  • Feb. 19, 2012, 12:13 p.m. CST

    Canton Everett Delaware III

    by notspock2

    Now now MOV - you KNOW the answer to this. You have turned into a ridiculous tease recently.. Just so you know- We like. Nikola Tesla. Canton Everett Delaware III The 8th Doctor. Sally Sparrow. Lorna Bucket. The Lesbian Silurian. The 9th Doctor. The 10th Doctor. And we also like Edgar Wright. If you start implying that some or all of these things will be in the next series we will all Squee like Pavlov's* dogs and you know it. Squeeeeee! *Actually, they should do an episode with Pavlov.

  • Feb. 19, 2012, 1:21 p.m. CST

    notspock2 - a few guesses for the next series (and beyond)

    by Mister Vertue

    If I were working on Wall Street (and I'm *very* glad I'm not), these are the shares I'd be buying right now: Nikola Tesla - don't see these spiking in the future, but never say never. Canton Everett Delaware III - I'd say these shares were the hottest commodity right now, at least in terms of your list, so buy, buy, buy! The 8th Doctor - keep an eye on this company. Not likely to pick up soon, but I see them doing very well in the next year or two. Sally Sparrow - sadly, a company whose shares have all been bought up and has now become privatised. The owner would need to negotiate before shares could be bought again. Lorna Bucket - I'd buy a few of these shares, perhaps as a future investment, but there can't be any guarantees of a return. The Lesbian Silurian - see Lorna Bucket. The 9th Doctor - see Sally Sparrow. The 10th Doctor - see The 8th Doctor. And regarding Edgar Wright, I honestly can't see him having the time for *anything* in the next 12 months, can you? He's a busy guy. His schedule in 2013 however... who can say?!

  • Feb. 19, 2012, 1:24 p.m. CST

    doctortom - Mark vs Morgan

    by Mister Vertue

    Morgan's appearance was likely a one-time thing, but you never know what's going on behind the scenes. Mark on the other hand, it would be criminal for us not to see him again. Criminal. Fine actor who had a great rapport with Matt.

  • Feb. 19, 2012, 1:29 p.m. CST

    Oh, and let's not forget...

    by Mister Vertue

    Mark will be one of the guests at the official convention in Cardiff in March, so he's got to be there for a good reason, right? Of course he could just be there to enjoy the ride, or maybe he'll be giving us some further information about Canton's future involvement with the show? All we can do for now is speculate!

  • Feb. 19, 2012, 1:45 p.m. CST

    Well, if you're going to tease us, MOV, you might as well mention

    by DoctorTom

    that if Mark is going to be at the convention in March, that is certainly after the time the new series starts filming....

  • Feb. 19, 2012, 1:45 p.m. CST

    Daleks reaction to Red Dwarf

    by DoctorTom

  • Feb. 19, 2012, 1:47 p.m. CST

    And, in another crossover type thing

    by DoctorTom

    Doctor Who series 5 theme done Red Dwarf style

  • Feb. 19, 2012, 1:49 p.m. CST

    And, a different version

    by DoctorTom

    you be the judge of which one you like better

  • I'm wondering if the writers had seen this trailer on youtube

  • Feb. 19, 2012, 2:35 p.m. CST

    doctortom - Convention date

    by Mister Vertue

    Oh yes, the convention takes place slap bang in the middle of first few blocks of filming, which begin tomorrow. I doubt any significant clues regarding Amy & Rory's exit will be given, but I'll be very surprising if one or two wee tidbits aren't slipped out to get us talking on the Docback. Autumn seems so far away and we all need something to feed on between now and then.

  • Feb. 19, 2012, 3:21 p.m. CST

    gotilk / hornorsilk re: slow Docback

    by Merrick

    Yeah, it *is* a slow Docback this week. Interestingly, it feels like the overall number of Talkbacks on AICN was lower than usual this week. I've noticed this type of ebb and flow in the past. I'm not sure what accounts for it in terms of social mechanics, but there it is. Re: "Classic WHO" -vs- "New WHO" on the Docbacks. On average (with a few exceptions), "New WHO" outperforms "Classic WHO" in Docback participation by several fold - there are often between 4 to 8 times as many Docbacks for "New WHO" when compared to "Classic WHO." That ratio *has* been considerably higher. "Classic WHO" is a tough sell. I know many "new WHO" fans who steadfastly refuse to commit time and energy to the older stories - this is one of the truths I'm hoping to shift by presenting these weekly pieces. Off the top of my head, I can name a number of Docback "regulars" who watch the new DWs, but not the older ones. Or, Docback regulars who haven't seen the *very* oldest WHOs. All of this makes it difficult for some to participate in conversations (despite my belief that Docbacks are, and should be, about "all things WHO" and not just the episode being written about at any given time). Within the last few Docbacks, we've had multiple posts from readers stating they've never seen the episode being written about. I'd expect the number of Docback posts to remain in flux for some time this year as we continue making our way through vintage WHO. I'd guess we'll see participation escalating as we progress towards more current/"popular" Doctors, as we approach S7, and as more and more details about that series...and the show's 50th Anniversary plans in general...emerge.

  • Feb. 19, 2012, 3:28 p.m. CST

    I'm sure there are many reasons for the ebb

    by HornOrSilk

    Yes, the net can have times when it is slower than others. I do think the B/W Who is going to have less comments than when we get to Pertwee, and Tom Baker will bring in more to the conversation when you get to him. I love the whole of Doctor Who from start to finish, but yes, for many it is hard to get them to adjust to the old style (Baker) let alone the really old style (B/W era). But it is worth going through them all, and the series will be a good guide for people who want to know something to sample. Indeed, that might be something you want to do at the end of watching each Doctor -- make a list of those you thought were the best and those you thought the hardest to watch -- for the sake of people who just want samples of each era.

  • Feb. 19, 2012, 3:28 p.m. CST

    gotilk re: Regarding the affiliate link again...

    by Merrick

    ****NoScript filtered a potential cross-site scripting (XSS) attempt from ( Technical details have been logged to the Console.**** Huh! Interesting. I...have no idea. Have never come across that one. I very much appreciate your concern about the purchase credit, and your continued support. It really does mean a lot...

  • my own ham-fisted segue out of The Chase when seeing the 2-story DVD cover at the top of the article, picking the story I had actually seen. I then noticed Space Museum was in fact the serial being covered that week, not The Chase. To channel my inner Austin Powers: "And...I'm spent!"

  • Feb. 19, 2012, 4:13 p.m. CST

    Thanks Merrick!

    by gotilk

    I guess we'll know if it's an issue if you don't see credit for my purchase. I *think* you get credit for the other stuff I'm buying as well. (Zune accessory, blu-rays) But I'm not sure. I'll go through the link here before heading to my shopping cart. As for the slow DocBacks, yeah it seems to ebb and flow.I love it no matter what. That and the Whotininnies. Never quit!! Thanks!!!

  • Feb. 19, 2012, 4:24 p.m. CST

    Hartnell / Troughton - AKA "The B/W Docs"...

    by obijuanmartinez

    Having watched Dr. Who since it first came to the US in the late 70s, I will say the 1st & 2nd Doctors' stories read much better than they view. I think the show had a lot of bugs and kinks to work out by the time they got around to the superior Pertwee & Baker years. It was a bit of a hard sell to go from watching the 3rd & 4th Doctor stories to the B&W stories when they first started airing on PBS in the early/mid-80s (and I was in grade / middle school at the time). I still watched, and felt a richer grounding in the show's legacy - I further read most of the Troughton / Hartnell Target novelizations, and found a good many memorable stories! That being said, I still view Classic Who as more legitimate science-fiction than the New Who series - The new ones simply lack the gravitas of say the Phillip Hinchcliffe/Tom Baker years (which are known as the Golden Age of Dr. Who), and the new show feels like a light beer version. I do watch them both, and don't see any reason not to continue, but the new episodes (for me) definitely fail to really deeply satisfy my SF jones. Hope they've got something spectacular planned for the 50th anniversary of the show next year!

  • Feb. 19, 2012, 4:26 p.m. CST

    Merrick - Suggestion

    by Perigee

    I've said it before - I'll say it again; You may want to consider a "Coming Next Week" announcement, so those of us who are not encyclopedic in our episode knowledge can scare up a copy (or check it on youtube) to get up to speed book-club style. Speaking for no one but myself, time is gruesome during the week (9-7 including commute), but I'd definitely try to keep up with the convo if possible, were I to know what the topic was.

  • Feb. 19, 2012, 4:36 p.m. CST


    by Merrick

    Yeah - I think it's a good idea. I'd actually started doing just that, but got off-track with the "next week" scheduling for a variety of reasons. In the next week or so, I'll be able to post a list of the next several articles & will try to maintain that kind of forward projection...

  • Feb. 19, 2012, 4:49 p.m. CST


    by gotilk

    VERY good idea.

  • For those not familiar, this was the newspaper published semi-annually by the old (now-dissolved) Doctor Who Fan Club of America. Really great stuff - took me back to those grade school & middle school years in the mid-80s! Some interesting fan fiction too, including a great biography of the renegade Timelord Morbius! Would be great to scan some bits from these (if legal) and share w/ the gang... Really shows how (comparatively) small the pre-internet world was: You could SEND AWAY for British CyberMat model kits by MAIL! Whoa!

  • Feb. 19, 2012, 6:04 p.m. CST

    That's all well and good, MOV...

    by Ken Plume

    But what of the 7th Doctor? All that Radagasting about will soon come to an end, and he brings his own spoons...

  • Feb. 19, 2012, 6:09 p.m. CST

    On other topics

    by Ken Plume

    I'm not sure if we talked about it in a Whotininnies (who can remember all that digression?), but I know Glen and I have gabbed about how much fun it would be to see 11 go on walkabout within his own history for the anniversary, a la BTTF2, as a way of bringing those classic adventures to the fore with a new, unseen twist. Maybe a little mystery that can only be solved/something scattered in the winds of his past. AnyWHO.

  • Feb. 20, 2012, 12:23 a.m. CST

    Has anyone read the Michael Moorcock Doctor Who book?

    by gotilk

    The coming of the Terraphiles? What did you think of it?

  • Feb. 20, 2012, 12:24 a.m. CST


    by gotilk

    That would indeed be an amazing way to celebrate the anniversary. I'd pay to see that.

  • Feb. 20, 2012, 7:27 a.m. CST

    'The Coming of the Terraphiles'...

    by Merrick

    Sounds all kindsa pervy. Is that really a title?

  • Feb. 20, 2012, 8:37 a.m. CST

    Merrick - yes, that's the title

    by DoctorTom

    Gotilk, I haven't read it yet (or listened to it - also have the audio though I think it's abridged). When it came out though I remember a lot of grumbling because it read like a Michael Moorcock novel with the names of some of the characters filed off and the Doctor and Amy's name written in their place. They were saying if you like Moorcock it's a decent book, but it's not really a Doctor Who book. As far as the hardcover Doctor Who books, The Silent Stars Go By (by Dan Abnett) has had a much better reception. Abnett writing Ice Warriors - it seems to be a good matchup.

  • Feb. 20, 2012, 1:06 p.m. CST

    I thought it sounded kinda *durteh*

    by gotilk

    when I first saw that book cover too. Yes, and the reason I ask is that I recall the book got some really scathing bad reviews at one point. Maybe even here. I was just wondering if any of the regulars had actually read it. I've never read any Moorcock beyond short bits on the Internet and I think a short story at some point in an anthology or zine. I'm thinking of picking up The Silent Stars Go By first. I thought I already had it on order, but I must have removed it from my cart at some point. I was shocked to see Barnes and Noble had almost a whole bookshelf of Doctor Who books. Then I spotted the anniversary edition of American Gods and was tempted. I was tempted to grab a few of the Who books too, but I've got too many books waiting for me to read them already. I'm still only about 75% through Snow Crash (and liking it more now than I did).

  • Feb. 20, 2012, 1:21 p.m. CST

    You can never have too many books, Gotilk

    by DoctorTom

    actually you can, as the walls of my place are about to burst from all the books and such inside. Still, it's a good philosophy to have. For some reason, BBC Books are available electronically on the Kindle but not any other platform (I'm guessing that the BBC likes the DRM on the Kindle versions). I wish they'd also put out epub versions for the Nook. So far it looks like it's only some of the British publishers not also doing the Nook - BBC and allied imprints, and Orbit books. (There might be others, but I haven't noticed them yet.) Gotilk, if you feel the need to get Gaiman and do ebooks, right now most places have Neverwhere for only $2.99. Ah, 48 minutes into the podcast and we're actually getting commentary on the Chase! This brings up a side note from the podcast - looking at toy prices on ebay. If you think the Tobor prices are high, look at the prices for Major Matt Mason stuff. For the moon station with the moon crawler and the hoversled, someone wanted $400. I remember playing with that stuff as a kid, I kind of wish I had some of that around now.

  • Feb. 20, 2012, 3:09 p.m. CST

    The Coming Of The Terraphiles by Michael Moorcock.

    by gotilk

    Just read that subject again, out loud. It's almost as if it's one of THOSE joke titles you heard when you were a kid. Except there's some reference you're not *getting*. Remember those? Under the grandstand by Seymore Butts? Yellow River by I.P. Freyley? lol Well, luckily for him his name isn't Richard Moorcock.

  • Feb. 20, 2012, 3:23 p.m. CST


    by gotilk

    It's true. But I have SO many books. I need to decide what's precious, what's not. Then I'll have enough space left over to put in a gym. Or.... I dunno... better books? lol ... I can't stand DRM. When I do get myself an e-reader, I will buy books. But then for the sake of my own back-up purposes, will do my best to grab pirated versions that are DRM -free after I make the purchases. I know it doesn't sound like the right thing to do, but neither is drm. You know? They'll figure it all out eventually. DRM will go the way of the Dodo eventually, we just have to be patient and do what we need to do in the meantime. Because it's hard to say if my format of choice and platform of choice will be the one to survive. So my Kindle/Sony/whatever quits working and there's no other reader that reads the format and they've stopped making my reader of choice. Then it's just lost, even though I've done the right thing and purchased it instead of downloading a pirated version. Frustrating. One of the main arguments that tell me DRM is wrong though is the archive issue. The industry has proven that it will drop the ball when given the opportunity (and responsibility, since they want to outlaw personal archives.. they can't have it both ways... DRM makes it their job) to preserve works. And then they want to make it illegal for us to do their jobs for them. Doctor Who is a perfect example of why personal archives are important. You just cannot rely on the PTB to take care of it for us. A friend of mine has an archive of about 600 rare or out of print films from sources as varied as old VHS tapes, things taped off TV, bootlegs, foreign DVDs, foreign bootleg DVDs, etc etc. There are many examples of films he has copies of where it is entirely possible that he has one of few or even the ONLY copy in the world left. I've promised to spend a weekend here and there to make copies of his archives so that they're in more than one place. I think it's important work, but the industry seems to think it's a crime while they refuse to put in the work to do it themselves. endrant It's a pet peeve of mine.

  • Feb. 20, 2012, 3:28 p.m. CST

    It's easy to forget sometimes...

    by gotilk

    I look at those dates at the top of this article and am reminded that in fact Doctor Who has existed in this world quite a few years longer than I have.

  • Feb. 20, 2012, 4 p.m. CST

    *Ian* was at GallifreyOne this weekend in LA...

    by lynxpro

    What, nobody else on this board was there? Shame! Let's see... just from memory. William Russell, Wauris (sic) Hussein - director of "An Unearthly Child", Louise Jameson (Leela), the actor who played Captain Mike Yates, the actress who played little Amelia Pond, the actor who played Dorium, Mark Sheppard and the acting legend that is his father, Tony Curran, Nick Briggs, and...oh yeah...PAUL MCGANN, ERIC ROBERTS and his wife ELIZA, DAPHNE ASHBROOK, YEE TSO, and TV Movie producer [and producer of practically everything currently on the Discovery Channel] Phil Segal. Sylvester McCoy wasn't available because he was busy shooting, ahem, *some movie* in New Zealand at the time [although we aren't supposed to say by name what that movie's title is, wink]. Forgot that John de Lancie was also there, and Amber Benson too. The panels were great. For an actor who originally was afraid of cons, Paul McGann knows how to work a crowd of 3,000 people. And for the record, he wants to return to onscreen WHO. He said it several times although he apparently isn't going to call the BBC to make it happen [there was a joke said about how the BBC seems to wait for the actors to state their interest in newspaper interviews before inviting them aboard officially]. Daphne and Yee mentioned how their characters [Grace & Chang-Lee] were tied up by Universal who is preventing them from being officially used on tv, audio adventures, books, and other licensed materials [a fan made an unofficial action figure set of the 8th Doctor with Grace and presented it to her at her panel]. Paul McGann told a touching story of how he sees the characterization of The Doctor and how it is based upon his 20 year friendship with the UK's oldest surviving WWI veteran [who is now deceased] that made the audience rather misty. Tony Curran also had a misty eyed story of how he was at Whole Foods and a lady approached him about his portrayal of Van Gogh and how much it meant to her since she suffers from depression; she ended up crying and he hugged her in the middle of the store. Mark Sheppard hinted that Canton will be back, and for us Supernatural fans that we should be asking whether Crowley is really a demon or not.... Mark's father shared stories of his work with Tom Baker and Richard Burton, as well as working with his own son and what he had to do to get a SAG waiver in order to appear as the older Canton on WHO. I could go on and on but seriously, I had more fun there than at the past two WonderCons. The actors were awesome both in the panel discussions and also in person, especially the TV Movie Cast...

  • Feb. 20, 2012, 5:19 p.m. CST


    by gotilk

    Sounds like an amazing experience. Thanks for posting that.

  • Feb. 20, 2012, 7:17 p.m. CST

    Nice synopsis, lynx! On Paul McGann:

    by obijuanmartinez

    Have listened to a couple of his audios (most recent was Vengeance of Morbius I think, which also had Alexander Siddig in...I like him as an actor. It's sad his 1 onscreen outing as the Doc was the abortive American / Fox version. He's been pretty solid in most everything I've seen him in, from the Hornblower series to more recent stuff like Idris Elba's "Luther"...

  • Feb. 20, 2012, 7:41 p.m. CST


    by lynxpro

    I wouldn't call it an "abortive" version. Had Fox scheduled the TV Movie to air the week before in the same time slot [instead of "Tornado"], it would've won it with monster ratings and the show would've returned in 1996/97 instead of 2005. I'm still amazed at the section of fandom that still have their claws out for the TV Movie. At the TV Movie Reunion Panel at GallifreyOne Saturday night, there was one fan who lined up for questions who thought he'd try to call out Phil Segal over the Daleks putting The Master on trial at the beginning of the TVM as if that was something out of character for them. His accusatory tone and question was "since when have the Daleks ever put anyone on trial?" I was tempted to call out that "fan" in front of the 3,000 people that the Daleks threatened to put Davros on trial during the Classic Series, but alas, I held my tongue. That or the female fan who thought she was correcting McGann's opening narration about Time Lords having 13 lives by shouting "12 lives" when in fact the old rule was Time Lords had 12 regenerations and thus a total of 13 incarnations/lives and thus she was totally wrong. Personally, I would've preferred 5 seasons of Doctor Who produced by Phil Segal instead of the 4 we later got with Russell T. Davies at the TARDIS Console.

  • Feb. 20, 2012, 7:49 p.m. CST


    by lynxpro

    ...but yes, McGann is awesome and is solid in all of his roles, whether he appears in something like "Empire of the Sun" or "Queen of the Damned". McGann said he views The Doctor as being ancient and battle damaged - plus with father issues - yet he still retains his child-like sense of wonder and excitement about life. He mentioned this is how his friend the WWI vet was. He said he went to a wedding of a biographer who was profiling the remaining WWI vet survivors in the UK and the vets slipped out and down the road to the local village when it was having a computer faire. McGann walked down to the village and found his friend with a VR Headset strapped to his head and blasting aliens in the video game while one of his fellow WWI vets was watching on an external monitor and critiquing his game play and how he needed to play it faster. Thus here were these men well above their 90s playing kid games and being excited about life in spite of the horrors they had endured. He said he believed if The Doctor heard a funny joke, he would probably laugh so hard that his whole head would move [essentially he wouldn't half-ass humor] just as his friend had done...

  • Feb. 20, 2012, 9:07 p.m. CST

    lynxpro - CANTON!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

    by Perigee

    to continue... !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Wheeeeeeee!!!!!!

  • Feb. 20, 2012, 9:12 p.m. CST

    I'm not finished...

    by Perigee

    Wheeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee! CantonCantonCantonCanton Canton Wiki-I-po! CantonCanton Canton Wiki-I-po! WIKI-I-PO! CAN! Can-tucky Tucky, Canton Wiki-I-Po! Canton Wiki-I-po! ... OK. I'm better now. Whee.

  • Feb. 21, 2012, 6:16 a.m. CST

    perigee - Have you taken your meds this morning?

    by Mister Vertue

    I'd love to see your reaction when/if Canton actually does return.

  • Feb. 21, 2012, 6:20 a.m. CST

    kenplume - 7th Doctor

    by Mister Vertue

    The 50th anniversary will only be happening once and most of us might not be around for the next big party, so I'm sure the Powers-That-Be will be doing everything they can to get anyone of any significance from the history of this fine show involved in some way. Actors who previously played the Doctor will surely be invited back to take part. In what capacity though, who knows?!

  • Feb. 21, 2012, 6:26 a.m. CST

    Paul McGann is 100% part of the show's official history

    by Mister Vertue

    Just as much as Hartnell, et al. I'm pretty sure he won't be forgotten by those responsible for casting actors for the anniversary year.

  • Picture Morris Dancing with two American Flags on the sticks... ...Wheee!

  • Feb. 21, 2012, 6:58 a.m. CST

    perigee - America's Got Talent

    by Mister Vertue

    Have you auditioned yet? If not, why not? You'd get my vote (assuming non-Americans are allowed to vote, of course).

  • Feb. 21, 2012, 9:14 a.m. CST

    I'd vote for you too.

    by gotilk

    But I'm still not watching the show.

  • Feb. 21, 2012, 10:51 a.m. CST

    That won't work, MOV

    by DoctorTom

    there's not enough of a history of Morris dancing in the States where it would play well on America's Got Talent. Now, if they'd remake the Gong Show again, there'd be a better chance there.

  • Feb. 21, 2012, 11:17 a.m. CST

    doctortom - consider it a cultural exchange

    by Mister Vertue

    And something unique. Unless you turn up that day and there's someone else doing Morris dancing too. That always happens. Well, it happens to me. A lot.

  • Feb. 21, 2012, 11:26 a.m. CST

    Morris dancing...

    by Mister Vertue

    I do Morris dancing now. Morris dancing is cool. Except on Venus. The Venusians *definitely* do *not* like Morris dancing. Something about the tassels apparently. Interferes with their reproductive organs. Didn't really hang around long enough to find out. That day ended with a significant amount of running. Except it was running on Venus. Have you ever been to Venus? Running is *not* fun on Venus. Ever.

  • Feb. 21, 2012, 2:22 p.m. CST

    Who is this Morris and why is he dancing?

    by DoctorTom

    I know it's been around for a while (certainly, long before The Daemons). But, after having watched too much Top Gear, I am forced to ask if there's any relationship between liking to Morris dance and wanting to own a Morris Minor? More importantly, is the Morris that the Morris company is named after decide after developing automobiles to travel back in time and invent Morris dancing? This of course leads to the amusing image of someone trying to get a Morris Minor to go at 88 mph in order for the flux capacitor to work. (Check out the pictures in wiki to see why this is an amusing thought). The only ways I know of getting a Morris Minor to that speed on its own would be to replace the engine, strap a rocket engine on to it, or drop it and have it reach 88 mph as it plummets.

  • Feb. 21, 2012, 3:02 p.m. CST

    Could be worse ...

    by veteran_of_mu

    The 12th Doc regenerates as a big endomorphic guy with bow legs. Sexy will decide Doc should lift weights rather than run. Lace his custard with steroids. Land him on a bunch of high gravity worlds to keep the cellulite off his butt. Issue a Sonic the size and shape of Conan's broadsword. Then when the Daleks attack he can just kick sand in their faces. And at the 50th anniversary piss-up he'll call all his earlier incarnations ~girly-lords~.

  • Feb. 21, 2012, 3:15 p.m. CST

    MOV so Gold will be auditioning Sly for Spoons

    by HornOrSilk

    And that will be one of the tracks on the 50th anniversary CD? Spoons?

  • Feb. 21, 2012, 5:31 p.m. CST

    Regarding Series/Season 7. Let us not forget...

    by Merrick

    ...that compelling angel of promise who once graced these venerable Docbacks. I'm referring to "a blue blob called Steve" - first met here: Interestingly, "a blue blob called Steve" -especially if he/she/it were to, say, Morris dance, meets the criteria recently laid out by The Moff regarding S7's newest companion. Specifically, that said companion is... *** "...someone very different - the Doctor is going to meet someone very new in the very last place he could ever have expected..." *** I therefore submit with absolute certainty *[[[ahem]]]** that the Doctor's new companion will, indeed, be A Blue Blob Called Steve. But where would one least expect to meet a blue blob? Especially one called 'Steve'? A toilet? Under a fingernail? Inside of a garbage pail? Perhaps within of a yogurt container? The mind reels with startling possibilities!

  • Feb. 21, 2012, 5:39 p.m. CST

    hornorsilk - close, but I think it's more accurate to say...

    by Mister Vertue

    ... that Sly (Can we *really* call him that? Hasn't he been knighted by the Queen yet? What?! He hasn't? That's outrageous) will be auditioning one of his spoons for the part of the new assistant. I believe 'The Moff' said something along the lines of him/her/it being found in the place we least expected. Mr McCoy's cutlery drawer. It's obvious now, isn't it?

  • Feb. 21, 2012, 5:45 p.m. CST

    Merrick - Ha ha!

    by Mister Vertue

    I was typing that before your message popped up. Rather spooky that we both addressed the same quote from 'The Moff'. So now he's under pressure to incorporate a blue blob called Steve, and a *spoon* into his scripts. Better him than me. I'm off to bed!

  • Feb. 21, 2012, 8:53 p.m. CST

    Next Christmas Special ... gotta be ...

    by veteran_of_mu

    I know MOV likes to play his cards close to his chest. But if a blue blob named Steve ever did show up in DW the amount of carry-on on the Docback would look a lot like the ~We Are Here~s issuing from the speck carrying Seuss's Horton's Whoville. Now wouldn't that make a wonderful Christmas Special? I mean ... The Doctor. In Whoville. On a speck of psychic pollen from the Candle Meadows of Karass Don Slava ...

  • Feb. 22, 2012, 2:45 a.m. CST

    MOV - On Fading...

    by Ken Plume

    Wouldn't it be quite exciting and fun if The Moff were to bring the brilliant Daniel Kaluuya from The Fades over for a role in the coming season, be it big or small. Boy, wouldn't that be brill... Eh, Glen? PS - Steve insists on being called The Blob Of Many Colors, Depending On His Mood, Thank You For Asking

  • Feb. 22, 2012, 6:58 a.m. CST

    Anyone care to define "blockbuster-movie episodes?"

    by Perigee

    That's the phrase flying around the news as season 7 ramps up today, straight from Auntie's mouth. Are we talking episode length do ya suppose, or are we in for more Star Warsy "Good Man" spectacle? And, of the three guests confirmed, Shep isn't one of 'em. I guess I ought to stow the Morris sticks for a while longer...

  • Feb. 22, 2012, 7:25 a.m. CST

    kenplume - with Caroline 'Nutjob' Skinner onboard

    by Mister Vertue

    I don't see any reason why one or two actors from The Fades won't migrate over to Who now and again in the future. I'm sure it makes Andy Pryor's job a wee bit easier, which is what he needs right now, I'm guessing. Oh, and at this rate, Steve will need his own spin-off show. I just know he's going to overshadow the anniversary year and ruin everything. But hey, that's Steve! p.s. Caroline Skinner really *is* a complete nutjob. Losing Confidential this year really will be our loss. I'll bet you a penny to a pound that she makes it onto the dvd though...

  • Feb. 22, 2012, 7:30 a.m. CST

    perigee - 'blockbuster-movie episodes'

    by Mister Vertue

    I'm assuming it's referring to the 'look and feel' of the episodes more than the actual length. Having moved to better facilities that offer a greater scope for production, I think we'll be seeing more spectacular scenes that make it feel like we're watching a 'blockbuster movie'. Didn't 'The Moff' mention something along the lines of this series being the 'Die Hard' sequence of episodes? That could be a clue.

  • Feb. 22, 2012, 7:37 a.m. CST

    kenplume - Daniel Kaluuya

    by Mister Vertue

    If you want some Kaluuya/Doctor Who action, then you should watch the episode called 'Planet of the Dead' from David Tennant's stint on the show, in which Daniel played the part of Barclay. Doesn't mean he can't come back again to maybe play a more prominent role on the show. Other actors have done that, so it's not entirely out of the question.

  • Feb. 22, 2012, 7:43 a.m. CST

    The Fades - just so you know...

    by Mister Vertue

    The show was written as a trilogy. Seeing how well it's done in the UK and overseas, I don't see why the BBC wouldn't continue the story as planned by Jack and Caroline. Keep those fingers crossed!

  • Feb. 22, 2012, 9:02 a.m. CST

    Actually, the blue blob named Steve would work

    by DoctorTom

    also known as Rutan Steve. We get the nod back to the past (Horror of Fang Rock/ just about any classic Who story with the Sontarans whinging about their war with the Rutan). Since the Rutan are also shapeshifters, you can have Rutan Steve looking like anyone. This means if you want to do stunt casting, you could get someone in to play Steve for an episode. One story you could have a Brian Blessed Rutan Steve, the next story you could have Ray Winstone Steve Rutan Steve, then Bill Bailey Rutan Steve followed by Frankie Boyle F***ing Rutan Steve the F***ing Blob, For Shite's Sake (somehow I see Frankie Boyle taking the expanded name for Steve the Blob). This would also be a way to bring in Paul McGann, Tom Baker et al without having to worry about them actually not looking like they did when they were younger - it's just Steve the Blob looking like an older version of that Doctor. As a nod to the fans, you could get Robert Jezek playing Steve the Blob for a story and have the blob turn into a penguin briefly. And, when we get tired of having Steve as a companion, we can get Matthew Waterhouse to play Steve and in an uncanny sense of deja vu, stick him in a space freighter and crash him into a planet. Some companions practically write themselves.

  • Feb. 22, 2012, 9:17 a.m. CST

    mov - "Die Hard in a TARDIS"

    by DoctorTom

    I'm assuming the blockbuster movie reference was talking about the look and feel. The pace of stories has generally been faster with the series since it came back, cramming 4 classic episodes worth of story into 45 minutes (at least 4 episodes - with Pertwee's stories you'd take 6 episodes worth of story in 45 minutes after you filter out the padding. With something like the Sensorites you'd finish the story about 20 minutes in and spend the next 25 minutes dealing with the aftermath, or pulling an Ark trick and jumping ahead in time to see the results). The Die Hard reference could be to an adventure taking place in a high rise building. (Paradise Towers II: The Wrath of Pex) Or, it could be a reference to Alan Rickman appearing in Doctor Who. I doubt it, but it's fun to throw that one out there.

  • Feb. 22, 2012, 12:58 p.m. CST

    Die HARDIS - Make fists with Matt Smith's toes.

    by Perigee

    No - never mind; don't want to see that...

  • Feb. 22, 2012, 1:10 p.m. CST

    Awww heck. Now I have that image stuck in my head. I hate me.

    by Perigee

    Like a movie poster, With The Doctor Kung Fooing a bare foot into the center.

  • Feb. 22, 2012, 1:14 p.m. CST

    Maybe they will have Alan Rickman -

    by DoctorTom

    and he's playing a Time Lord. *You ask for miracles, Doctor, I give you the Celestial Intervention Agency*

  • With David Tennant as Dobby, all shrunk up by Punk Master, and looking for Timelord DNA in Smith's stolen socks to restore himself... Get us some Emma Watson companionship. And KILL KILL KILL Rupert Grint, before he becomes teh Valeyard. Hey. Moffy was right - this really could be a blockbuster episode. Just bring spare socks.

  • Yep. Never a showrunner, me. Never, ever, ever...

  • Feb. 22, 2012, 5:37 p.m. CST

    MOV - Daniel Kaluuya

    by Ken Plume

    And a brilliant Who turn it was. And yes, a return from Daniel would be quite nice, for he is a lovely bloke. For anyone unfamiliar, have a listen to my Bit of a Chat w/ Daniel, in which we talk Fades, Charlie Brooker, Rowan Atkinson, Who, taxes, and burning eggs... (If the links is garbled, you can always view all of the Chat archives at asitecalledfred. com / kenplume (remove the spaces). Scroll down and you'll see the link to Daniel. And wouldn't it be grand if The Moff were to do A Bit of a Chat sometime? Yes... Twould be a delight...

  • Feb. 22, 2012, 8:27 p.m. CST

    7th season stuff I didn't know...

    by Perigee

    I'm guessing y'all did; I'm definitely a junior partner in these docbacks. Nonetheless, a bit from Dark Horizons: Though Darvill and Gillan will leave as regulars this season, the pair are confirmed for at least the first three episodes. Alex Kingston's River Song will appear in the first episode which Steven Moffat is penning.

  • Feb. 23, 2012, 12:53 a.m. CST

    @Ken - could you perhaps line up a chat with …

    by veteran_of_mu

    MOV? He/she could use a digital voice disguiser to maintain the mystery … If you manage that I bet a bunch of us would be pleased to make a party line of it … the first inaugural Whotinbackies …

  • Feb. 23, 2012, 6:40 a.m. CST


    by gotilk

    Great job with the Trek stuff this week. *The Trek that could have been* would be something I'd subscribe to if it were a magazine.

  • Feb. 23, 2012, 6:41 a.m. CST


    by gotilk

    That's a fantastic idea.

  • Feb. 23, 2012, 8:32 a.m. CST


    by DoctorTom

    are you trying to/ hoping for Moff for a normal chat? Or are you planning for a special episode of Whotininnies with guest star Moffat?

  • Feb. 23, 2012, 12:57 p.m. CST

    Who posters on Amazon

    by DoctorTom

    I decided to look at Doctor Who items on Amazon, and found that somebody is offering posters of The Pandorica Opens (the Van Gogh picture) for only 41 cents, and the Dalek To Victory poster for only 89 cents (plus $3.99 shipping each). These are 94% off list price - quite the steal! I just ordered a copy of each; I'll have to see how quickly they can get these out.

  • Feb. 23, 2012, 4:06 p.m. CST

    Classic Who

    by Andy Buckle

    Just checked in, read the bits about lack of contributors to some of the Classic Who DocBacks. I'm the same as a lot of people here, haven't seen much Hartnell or Troughton, really started watching with Pertwee so I guess I'll be able to contribute more when the DocBacks get to him. Really enjoy reading what others have to say, however. As an aside, it looks like no-one else who posts here is going to the convention in March. Really? If so, that's a shame.

  • Feb. 23, 2012, 4:27 p.m. CST

    gland_of_omega - classic Who postings

    by DoctorTom

    One possible reason for the lower number of posts over last weekend was probably that some of the normal posters were at the Gallifrey convention and were too busy having fun there to post on the website. The stories being old (by my standards i.e. before I started watching, pre-Tom Baker ;) ) probably doesn't help, but then again they're not episodes being currently shown on tv. There's going to be a lot more comments posted on an episode that was just shown on tv compared to one that wasn't. Speaking of the Hartnell and Troughton episodes, though, it would be nice if the BBC would get copies of the 2 Who episodes recently found (episodes of Galaxy Four and The Underwater Menace) to Merrick at an appropriate time to be able to discuss them when he reaches those stories in future Docbacks.

  • Feb. 24, 2012, 4:21 a.m. CST

    When you say THE convention

    by gotilk

    Do you mean the one in Cardiff? Wish I could go and yes it is a shame. I just can't get away, I'm responsible for the care of another , probably for an extended time (thankfully) and I just won't be going to these types of things, at least not far away (I'm in CA.) for a while. I do hope SOMEONE here goes and reports back though. Have fun if you make it, Gland_of_Omega!

  • Feb. 24, 2012, 4:23 a.m. CST


    by gotilk

    The Van Gogh poster is something I MUST have. Gotta wait a few more days before I can put in my Amazon order(s).

  • Feb. 24, 2012, 4:30 a.m. CST

    The Daemons DVD

    by gotilk

    I noticed it's going to be a convention exclusive. Does this mean they will not be releasing it to the public on DVD, or that there will be a delay or a different edition with something other than a different slip-case? Anyone know?

  • Feb. 24, 2012, 8:42 a.m. CST

    Gotilk - Daemons

    by DoctorTom

    It's probably just something with the packaging. Amazon US has the release date for the DVD as April 10. I already have it preordered.