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'The Talons Of Weng-Chiang' Puncture The Friday Docback!! DOCTOR WHO Story #91, More!!


Merrick here...


...with a look at "The Talons of Weng-Chiang," a six part story which aired in 1977 and starred Tom Baker as The Doctor and Louise Jameson as companion Leela.  

This story was initially released on DVD back in 2003 - that set contains a few extras this one does not.  HOWEVER, a number of new and tremendously insightful extras have been generated for this brilliant new 3 disc issuance, and the episode has been digitally has been remastered as well.   The resulting image and sound are vastly superior to that 2003 release, offering a sharpness of image, depth of color, and crispness of sound which eluded the story during its first DVD appearance.  



Thank much...for all the kind words regarding last week's podcast with Ken Plume. The second installment is now HERE, and it&#T39;s...something.  Not exactly sure what happened.  No, we were not drunk.  Frankly, that might've helped.  A bit of insanity, much clumsiness, a great deal of immaturity, and a generous portion of laughter. Next week we'll be more on game.  Or maybe not.  

But, can one really go entirely wrong with something called "Everybody Weng-Chiang Tonight"?  Don't answer that.  



"The Talons Of Weng-Chiang" - Story #  91


"We were attacked by this little man and four other little men."

- The Doctor - "The Talons Of Weng-Chiang" - Part One


Victorian London. A cab driver's desperate search for his missing wife leads him to the Palace Theatre, where illusionist Le H'Sen Chang (John Bennett) performs alongside a creepy and eerily lifelike ventriloquist's dummy named Mister Sin (Deep Roy).  Theater owner Henry Gordon Jago (Christopher Benjamin) is bewildered by the incident -  a confusion later compounded by reports of an enormous and mysterious figure stealing about the premises.

Meanwhile, The Doctor and Leela arrive in London's Limehouse district, where girls are going missing and the populous is becoming apprehensive.  They are are quickly attacked, defend themselves nicely, and are hauled into a police station for questioning - where they come face to face with Chang ( "I understand we all look the same...").  This meeting propels our heroes and their newfound cohorts into mystery and adventure whose origins stem from both the past and the future.  

No matter who I talk to about DOCTOR WHO, "Talons" is consistently regarded as a consummate example of the perfect "balance" to which DW so often aspires.  Part mystery, part horror story, part SHERLOCK HOLMES, part PHANTOM OF THE OPERA, "Talons" derives inspiration from a number of genres,  piling those ideas on top of an intriguing (and unseen) science fiction backstory.   David Maloney's direction deftly balances multiple tones and conceits, without ever stumbling or falling into cliche (the later danger was very real here).  He's aided in no small part by scripter Robert Holmes' tightly structured, well-considered work.  "Talons" often feels effortless, but never comes across as overly simplistic.  

Male (and/or female?) WHOvians may appreciate this episode's wet T-shirt moment...  


...and anyone who doesn't like rats won't find themselves terribly re-assured by a few thunderously rodenty sequences in this story.  

Michael Spice's performance as Magnus Greel is a tad over-the-top, but feels comfortably in-keeping with the PHANTOM OF THE OPERA inspirations of both this tale and his character.  Trevor Baxter is warmly engaging as Professor Litefoot, a seemingly solitary and humble man whose sense of refinement is challenged by the larger-than-life saga into which he finds himself inserted.  Christopher Benjamin's Jago  is equally charming.  He's an archetypical Victorian Showman whose sometimes blustery self-confidence is ultimately revealed to be as much a performance as the acts he presents.  He is, essentially, The Cowardly Lion of DOCTOR WHO  - and it's hard not to love him.  Based upon this pair's few scenes together?  They should've had their own show.  

John Bennett (a non-Asian actor cast in the decidedly Chinese part of Chang) approaches his role with wit, dry humor, and mesmerizing intensity.  He mages to avoid offensive stereotyping while successfully creating  a level of empathy and tragedy within a part that, in lesser hands, could well have registered as one-dimensional.  

Which pretty much sums up "Talons" as a whole.  It never settles - and always feels like it's going some extra distance.  Perhaps this is because the writing was already on the wall for a few critical show staffers, and they wanted to "go out with a bang."  Perhaps the abundance of location work for this story brought an edge and realism to these proceedings, whereas other stories contained to sets could never take advantage of such "vibe."   Perhaps it's the episode's subtle jabs at contemporary culture and racism past and present (there's even a quick anti-smoking aside thrown in, on-screen Opium use, and more than one satirical pot-shot at anti-foreign  sentiment).'s just a kind of magic.  The same magic that happened on movies like CASABLANCA or the original STAR WARS film.  A magic that happens when something, as Steve Jobs would've said, "just works" - despite whatever obstacles are in its path.  




Disc 1

 Trailer for forthcoming "Colony in Space" DVD (Pertwee, Story #58)...

Disc 2 

"The Last Hurrah"

Insight from...

-- Producer Phillip Hinchcliffe

-- Tom Baker

-- Louise Jameson

 -- Roger Murray-Leach (Designer)

-- David Maloney (Director) - 2003 interview

-- Trevor Baxter (Professor Litefoot)

-- Christopher Benjamin (Henry Gordon Jago)

-- John Bloomfield (Costume Designer)

-- Baker makes a surprising admission regarding his perceived "coldness" towards Louise Jameson...

-- While filming this episode on a redressed public street, all cars needed to be removed to preserve the "period" feel of the story.  One local couple was out of town - leaving their brand new  Porsche on the street, which clearly couldn't appear in the episode itself.   The production covered the car with a tarp and dumped a pile of hay and manure on top of it to conceal it.  

"Moving On"

-- Producer Philip Hinchcliffe on ideas he was hoping to bring to the show had he stated on as Producer.  Among them was a potential story influenced by Arthur C. Clarke's CHILDHOOD'S END, Incas or some sort of a South American jungle story, and the creation of a new mega-villain a la the Daleks.  Hinchcliffe admits he was having trouble convincing others that the later idea was solid.  Also, he also mentions that he was interested in returning to a Rider Haggard-esque, KING SOLOMON's MINES vibe based upon the success of "Talons."  

-- Hinchcliffe also discusses his unceremonious re-assignment to the series TARGET.

MERRICK NOTE: When in town to meet my father once, Arthur C. Clarke once walked into my parents' house, looked around, and said "This is exactly what I expected."  No one ever figured out what he meant by that.  

"The Foe From The Future"

-- Writer Robert Banks Stewart discusses his six part "Foe From The Future" treatment and its evolution into "Talons" under scripter Robert Holmes.  

-- Insight from Producer Philip Hinchcliffe.



"Now and Then: The Locations of The Talons of Weng-Chiang"

-- Exactly what it sounds like.  

"Look East"

-- Vintage report on filming the episode, featuring interview with Tom Baker on-set.

"Victoriana or Chinoiserie"

Insight from...

-- Producer Philip Hinchliffe.

-- Doctor Anne Witchard (lecturer in English Literature, University of Westminster).

-- Discusses cultural and real world inspirations/backstory for "Talons"...

"Music Hall"

Michael McManus (the guy who played Kai in LEXX / TALES OF A PARALLEL UNIVERSE!?) writes and presents a fascinating look at the rise, success, and passing of Victorian music halls like the one featured in "Talons..."

"Limehouse: A Victorian China Town"

-- Insight from...

-- Matthew Sweet (author "Inventing the Victorians").

-- Dr. John Seed (History of Migrants in London, Roehampton University).

-- Dr. Tom Wareham (Curator, Museum of London Docklands).

-- Dr. Anne Witchard (Lecturer in English Literature, University of Westminster).

-- Discusses the inaccurate mythologies and truths of the Limehouse district in which the episode is set.


Disc 3 (ported from the 2003 DVD) 


"Whose Doctor Who"

Melvin Bragg hosts a vintage retrospective/introspective look at WHO to date...

"Blue Peter Theater"

Strangely compelling "how to" demonstrating the creation of WHO toys from simple/common materials.

"Behind the Scenes" (ported from 2003 DVD release of this episode) 

Raw cam video/footage from the filming of "Talons"...



"The Talons of Weng-Chiang" is now available on DVD HERE in the U.S. (I'm a tad confused about which issuance is available in the U.K. at the moment and don't want to point you in the wrong direction - if anyone out there can offer clarity, please post a message below).  











A beautifully re-packaged re-issuance of Seasons/Series 2-4 of the 2005+ DOCTOR WHO (Season/Series 1 starred Christopher Eccleston in the lead role).  This set also includes two interesting-but-lackluster animated DOCTOR WHO adventures with Tennant voicing the lead  ("The Infinite Quest" and and "Dreamland"),  and DVDs of the five DOCTOR WHO specials with which the 10th Doctor exited the show.  These specials are, by the way, also available on Blu-Ray and denote DW's migration towards HD.

David Tennant is the "favorite Doctor" of many people  - I haven't seen enough of every Doctor to make that determination for myself, but from what I've seen so far, I'd say: 

1) There has never been a Doctor who was inadequate, only great actors/inventive embodiments of the character who may or may not have been supported by the scripts and talent they were working with.  And...

2) My personal Matt Smith (the current Doctor), with Jon Pertwee running a close second.  At the moment.  Although, as I say, the jury is still out.  

But David Tennant is a magnificent and hugely talented performer, who appeared to have tremendous fun with this role and inhabited the role with vigor and inspiration.  For my money, he was one of several critical factors in broadening DOCTOR WHO's audience appeal/global recognition over the last few years - the other elements being the accessibility of content that then-WHO overlord Russell T. Davies brought to the equation, and  subsequent showrunner Steven Moffat's energy, slickness, boldness, and style.  

As I mention above, this is essentially a re-packaging of individual sets that are already out - but it's a far more cost-effective offering than the individual sets themselves.  This might make a lovely gift for someone you're trying to inDoctornate (see what I did there?) into the WHOverse, a nice present for fans of the show, and/or a good option for folks who experience issues with streaming via Netflix or Amazon (I know you're out there).  










"The Impossible Astronaut"

"Day of the Moon"

"The Curse of the Black Spot"

"The Doctor's Wife"

"The Rebel Flesh"

"The Almost People"

"A Good Man Goes To War"

"Let's Kill Hitler"

"Night Terrors"




"Time and the Rani"

"Merrick's Personal Journey With The Doctor / "Frontios"

"An Unearthly Child"

DOCTOR WHO Title Sequences & DW At Comic-Con 2011

"The Daleks," "The Awakening," "The Crash of the Elysium"

"The Gunfighters" / "The Edge of Destruction"

Why Eccleston Left, Here Comes Caroline Skinner, And Season/Series Six Part 1 on Blu-Ray And DVD

"Paradise Towers" / New WHOvian Documentary / Newsbits

New Trailer For Season/Series Six Part 2

"Marco Polo" and "The Sun Makers"

"Day of the Daleks" (+ Preview Of DotD Special Edition)

"The Keys of Marinus"

"The Aztecs"



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  • Oct. 21, 2011, 12:39 p.m. CST

    'Talons', one of my favourites

    by Mister Vertue

    This is where the show could head next year, little treats like this one. A return to more 'classic' who stories, just in time for the anniversary...

  • Oct. 21, 2011, 12:41 p.m. CST


    by Merrick

    Yes. WANT.

  • Oct. 21, 2011, 12:41 p.m. CST

    Press gangered

    by Mister Vertue

    So, what would happen if the old cast from Press Gang popped up in an episode of Who? Obviously not playing their old characters (that just wouldn't work) but working as a team again, and having a reunion of sorts? I've always liked that idea. That could happen too.

  • Oct. 21, 2011, 12:43 p.m. CST

    Yes, really "classic" Who

    by Andy Buckle

    If the next season does contain episodes like this one, I'll be a happy man indeed. Mr Sin is the stuff of nightmares. Not complaining, mind you - I think Who is in a great place right now. But I am a bit miffed that I'm not "first". Boo.

  • Oct. 21, 2011, 12:47 p.m. CST

    As much as I loved Press Gang

    by V'Shael

    I've never been a fan of stunt casting. Whether it was Kylie in recent specials or Hale and Pace in the McCoy years. I wouldn't be a fan of it myself. Would much rather see a Press Gang reunion show.

  • Oct. 21, 2011, 12:51 p.m. CST

    Big Finish

    by HornOrSilk

    Brings the continuation everyone wants

  • Oct. 21, 2011, 12:52 p.m. CST

    Ooompa Loompa... Mr. Sin has a puzzle for you

    by HornOrSilk

    How deep can it go?

  • Oct. 21, 2011, 12:52 p.m. CST

    Thanks Merrick!

    by mosif

    Thanks for continuing with articles on classic who. It is a highlight for AICN for me now and is much appreciated. Talons of Weng-Chiang is a pure classic.

  • Stunt casting works sometimes - it certainly worked for RTD getting people to tune in to watch. And even with Moffat, some people would claim getting Michael Gambon would count as stunt casting (though those people would need their heads examined). For that matter, in geek circles getting Mark Shepard and Morgan Shepard would count as stunt casting. If they're talented enough to pull the part off, then there's no problem with stunt casting. If the person being cast can't handle the part, then they shouldn't be in it.

  • Oct. 21, 2011, 1 p.m. CST

    Lifetime and Jago

    by The Edges Hat

    There was a plan at the time to give them a spin off series which obviously didn't happen, but they have done audio stories on cd. Prett sure they're fairly recent too with the original two actors...

  • Oct. 21, 2011, 1:01 p.m. CST

    Lifetime?? Litefoot and Jago...

    by The Edges Hat

    Bloody spelling checker thingy!

  • Oct. 21, 2011, 1:03 p.m. CST

    Yes, Talons, one of my favorites.

    by DoctorTom

    Near perfect, and the story's just so good you can overlook any minor flaws. I'm still going through the discs - I watched the story Tuesday (though I missed that they had the trailer on the first disc for Colony in Space. I still need to go back to that disc anyway to listen to the commentary) and watched the Disc 2 extras last night. I'm hoping the Howard Da Silva intros and next episode narration was kept as an extra.

  • Oct. 21, 2011, 1:06 p.m. CST

    Michael Spice's performance

    by DoctorTom

    Yes, it's over the top, but it's nicely over the top and fits with the story. As I stated in the other thread, his ability to work more than one syllable out of the word 'flesh' shows you how wonderfully hammy he is. He still didn't meet the level of over-the-top that Joseph Furst did in The Underwater Menace (at least the one part that survives) or (probably the professor emeritus of ham acting) Graham Crowden in Horns of Nimon. That wasn't a tad over the top, it was over the top, down the other side of the hill, two miles down the road and moving fast.

  • Oct. 21, 2011, 1:10 p.m. CST

    I hope we get more stories like this next season

    by DoctorTom

    an overt move back to more Hinchcliffe/Holmes style would be nice. I think we need an 11th Doctor story in a Victorian setting. Matt Smith getting to run around in a deerstalker would be cool. Heck, you could even do a sequel in that you could have an older Litefoot and Jago in a story. It's probably worth noting for people who didn't know it that Big Finish has been doing a Litefoot and Jago series, which has also involved Louise Jameson. There's been 3 box sets plus the first story for BF which was done as a Companion Chronicle.

  • Oct. 21, 2011, 1:11 p.m. CST

    oops, didn't see you had already made the BF mention, hornorsilk!

    by DoctorTom

    Still, it's worth emphasizing.

  • Oct. 21, 2011, 1:16 p.m. CST

    Hey all. Never seen Press Gang, but know about it.

    by Michael_Jacksons_Ghost

    Did it even broadcast here in the states?

  • Well, they ARE from the 51st century, home of the Time Agents. But, it does raise the question of what Captain Jack was actually doing for Torchwood during the events of Talons of Weng Chiang. His little bracelet presumably could have detected the time cabinet; maybe he was just watching to see if 'his' Doctor would show up.

  • Oct. 21, 2011, 1:20 p.m. CST

    Celebrity Who Deathmatch - Mr. Sin vs. Mox of Balhoon

    by DoctorTom

    The ability to spit doesn't mean much against a murderous midget with a knife. Winner: Mr. Sin. Next week on Celebrity Who Deathmatch: The Giant Rat (of Sumatra) vs. the Myrrka, with a Drashig sock puppet as the special guest referee.

  • Oct. 21, 2011, 1:22 p.m. CST

    doctortom -- no, Mr Sin

    by HornOrSilk

    Was sent to chocolate rehab

  • Oct. 21, 2011, 1:23 p.m. CST

    Jago and Lightfoot

    by PhaseRat

    They did indeed get their ow audio series from Big Finish - the makers of the great Doctor Who audios. It's been a while since I watched this story last, but I remember enjoying it immensely. Incidentally, what did you think of the Blue Peter section? That's another long running British institution and I'm curious as to how that short clip goes over with non-Brits

  • When are you going to get around to more Peter Davison? That's my favorite Doctor. Especially with Adric's final story is so wrenching and encapsulates not only the characters personality but the show as well.

  • Oct. 21, 2011, 1:26 p.m. CST

    Phaserat - Blue Peter

    by DoctorTom

    Those segments have always gone over well with me even though I'm in the US; there's always been a long history between Who and Blue Peter, not to mention Peter Purves becoming a Blue Peter presenter sometime after leaving Who. It's nice seeing Who-related segments of Blue Peter, and the one disc that traced the whole history of the relationship between the two shows was very informative and entertaining.

  • ...I imagine first seeing Leela running around in her normal 'skins' costume probably did that. The Victorian wet t-shirt competition shot of her, though, I imagine helped things along, though.

  • I'll take that over any Kardashian/Jersey/Laguna Hills/reality crap any day. For some reason the English accent always make women seem hotter to me. Don't know why.

  • Oct. 21, 2011, 2:09 p.m. CST

    slder78 - agreed

    by DoctorTom

    I think a lot of people liked Amanda Pays in Max Headroom and The Flash because of the combination of her looks and her accent. Leela was a nice change of pace companion for Doctor Who - for all the talk of having emancipated women, they usually ended up having to scream for cliffhangers. Not Leela; we finally had a woman who was emancipated.

  • Oct. 21, 2011, 2:18 p.m. CST


    by Mister Vertue

    Ha ha! As I've said before, all fashions disappear and then come around again, and maybe it's time that Doctor Who did the same, going right back to 'the start'. This show survives by constantly changing, and it's time for another change methinks.

  • Oct. 21, 2011, 2:20 p.m. CST

    The Talons of Weng-Chiang is the real deal

    by sunspot_mike

    Leela (still love her), the Doctor in a deerstalker, the 51st century (and I got way too excited the first time through The Doctor Dances when they talked about Jack being a TIme Agent from the 51st, all I could think of was the Talons shoutout - and that's where River spends most of her time, right?), Talons is quintessential Doctor Who and one of my very favorites. When people ask about classic Who, that's always one of the first I recommend. The Peking Motherfucking Humonculus!

  • Oct. 21, 2011, 2:36 p.m. CST

    sunspot_mike - re: River

    by DoctorTom

    actually, River spends most of her time in the 52nd century - the dates they give in The Pandorica Opens and Let's Kill Hitler correspond to the 52nd century. When we see her in Silence in the Library, however, she's in the 51st century, so she did some time travelling for that story.

  • Oct. 21, 2011, 2:43 p.m. CST

    Merrick - when's the next podcast?

    by DoctorTom

    Just curious - last week you thought it might be out this week.

  • Oct. 21, 2011, 2:55 p.m. CST


    by Merrick

    'Tis linked at the top of the article. My apologies in advance.

  • Oct. 21, 2011, 3:01 p.m. CST

    MOV re: fashion

    by Merrick

    Are you implying Matt Smith in wet bloomers?

  • Oct. 21, 2011, 3:29 p.m. CST


    by MGTHEDJ

    That woman in her "Nova from 'Planet of the Apes'" costume did indeed kick start puberty for many a boy, me being one of them. As for that pic up above, if you will excuse me, I'll be in my bunk.----later---m

  • Oct. 21, 2011, 3:44 p.m. CST

    "Talons" Sequels

    by MediaGold

    If you haven't yet and are so inclined, check out "Shadow of Weng-Chiang", a missing adventure book put out in the 90s with the 4th, Romana 1 and K-9 that's pretty good. Also, a kid on YouTube does these neat little adventures using action figures. He did one as a sequel to Talons with the 8th Doctor that's worth watching.

  • Oct. 21, 2011, 3:48 p.m. CST

    Everybody have fun tonight!

    by I_Snake_Plissken

    Everybody Weng-Chiang tonight!

  • Oct. 21, 2011, 3:57 p.m. CST

    mediagold - I remember that novel somewhat

    by DoctorTom

    The one thing in particular with that story that sticks out in my mind is K-9 having to climb the thousand (or whatever large number it was of) stairs and engaging climbing mode.

  • Oct. 21, 2011, 4:07 p.m. CST

    press gang and the doctor

    by Johnboy40

    I think one of the press gang cast (Paul Reynolds?) was in let him have it with Eccleston (I believe it was Eccleston's first screen role for either tv or movies), so thats half way there i suppose

  • Oct. 21, 2011, 4:08 p.m. CST

    Other than the "Yellow Face"...

    by Darth_Tarantino

    ...this stands as one of the best Classic Who stories and certainly one of my favourites. Taking the show back to these kinds of horror/adventure mysteries would be a great idea for series 7. Just got "The Seeds Of Doom" in the post today, well chuffed as that's another Tom Baker story I love.

  • Oct. 21, 2011, 4:15 p.m. CST

    'Talons' is a great classic Who!

    by wtriker1701

  • Oct. 21, 2011, 4:16 p.m. CST

    Damn... hit the enter too early... continue here:

    by wtriker1701

    Save the conclusion with the shoot-out in the last episode. That scene was tremendously stupid... methinks...

  • Oct. 21, 2011, 4:18 p.m. CST

    @Merrick: maybe Arthur saw something in Daddy's room...

    by wtriker1701 an IBM?

  • Oct. 21, 2011, 4:27 p.m. CST

    I've never watched this story!!!


    It's funny because I almost feel that I HAVE, because I've read about it so much in various places over the years. I'll have to correct my Doctor Who fail, and I'll have to do that soon.

  • Oct. 21, 2011, 4:33 p.m. CST

    CBTML - astounding!

    by DoctorTom

    You'll have to correct that lapse in your viewing - it is a fun one watching for the first time.

  • Oct. 21, 2011, 4:57 p.m. CST

    I've never seen Galaxy Four

    by HornOrSilk

    So there -- but Talons? It's a must see!

  • Oct. 21, 2011, 5:15 p.m. CST

    The most blatantly racist Doctor Who

    by Eyeball_Kid

    White guys in yellow face, "yellow peril" theme, horrendous accents, orientalist depiction of Asians... come on guys - it's well crafted on many levels, but if Fu Manchu was a racist caricature then so was this.

  • Oct. 21, 2011, 6:36 p.m. CST

    It's also a heightest story

    by HornOrSilk

    But thankfully some words were not used for Mr Sin

  • Oct. 21, 2011, 7:26 p.m. CST

    The Shakespeare story...

    by dj_bollocks

    ...was about as close to the sort of vibe that you get from Weng Chiang, maybe even the Season 2 Werewolves / Queen Victoria episode, but they were a bit too shiny... Would be nice to get a grainy, claustrophobic WHO in 2012...

  • Oct. 21, 2011, 8:08 p.m. CST

    I love this episode!

    by The_Mad_Groper

    Howdy Dockbackers! Another Friday and another classic episode of Doctor Who!! Talons was just a great story and perfect for Tom Baker and Louise Jameson (Thanks for THAT picture Merrick!)!!! And speeking of Leela, didn't she end up on Gallifrey? If so, is she gone with the rest of the Time Lords? That might make an interesting story for the 50th don'tcha think? Sorry I haven't been on the last week or so. Had the wisdom teeth cut out last Friday and have been recouperating ever since. I hope everyone else has had a wonderful week and is ready for a great weekend! I am off to take my wonderful meds and try to get some rest! See you guys later!

  • Oct. 21, 2011, 8:25 p.m. CST

    thanks for the recommendations

    by Greg

    I watched The Caves of Androzani and City of Death on Netflix over this week, and enjoyed them so much I went ahead and ordered the New Beginnings boxset (The Keeper of Traken, Logopolis, and Castrovalva) from Amazon. One reason was seeing the love Logopolis has received on here and another is I'm thinking I'd like to pick up as many of the regeneration stories as I can (unless there's any in particular I should avoid?) although I'd think Caves of Androzani would be pretty tough to top. I'll definitely pick up both of the ones I watched on Netflix on DVD at some point, whenever they release super swanky Special Editions, as well as this week's featured DVD, looks like it'd be right up my alley. Any other recommendations for Fifth Doctor stories? I'm thinking Earthshock would be essential based on what I'm reading.

  • Oct. 21, 2011, 8:42 p.m. CST

    Never got the love for this one

    by I am not a number

    Looks like I get to be "that guy" that disagrees with everyone, but this story puts me to sleep every time. I think the idea behind it is great, but it never grabs me as more than a run-of-the-mill episode. And I don't think Jago and Litefoot are all that great either. I was not a fan of the Leela years when I first saw them, but I have since reevaluated a number of episodes (THE SUN MAKERS, after having not seen it in years) and found the whole MY FAIR LADY thing with the savage much more appealing. Just wish they'd hurry up and put out THE FACE OF EVIL.

  • Oct. 21, 2011, 11:22 p.m. CST

    This one really works ... except ... (*spoilers*)

    by veteran_of_mu

    * The Goodies quality rat effect. I expected Tim Brook Taylor to pull off the top of the costume and declare himself a teapot. * A caucasian man with epicanthic prostheses on his eyes. Don't get me wrong - I think John Bennett is incredibly good in this role. But I can't believe they couldn't find an Asian actor who would have been just as good. In the producers' defence, British TV was still broadcasting ~The Black and White Minstrel Show~ in 1977. But still ... * Louise Jameson wears too many clothes. Yes, there's a wet cotton scene. But still ... * The denouement. I'm sorry, but it makes no sense at all. Excellent plotting and writing up till then but why couldn't we have had Greel escape in his cabinet to become even more hideously deformed in a sequel? And why couldn't the Peking Homunculus have mysteriously escaped ... to sneak into the Tardis and have one last stab?

  • ..this was Baker at his finest and Who at it most suspenseful. The Sherlock holmes-ian feel to it was superlative (bearing in mind I also have a passion for all things Holmes) - you could almost smell the dank and rancid fog, and imagine Jack the Ripper stalking through the streets, ready to be eaten by a Silurian with a katana..... I didn't at all mind the dodgy rat effects, which had my daughter rolling about the floor when she watched it recently witth me, as the two main adversaries terrorised me beyond belief as a child, and still emit a cold air of menace around them now I am an adult. And an Enter the Dragon type scrap in an alley way...... what's NOT to like????? Simply sublime.

  • Oct. 22, 2011, 2:13 a.m. CST

    eyeball kid......

    by sam jacksons wig have to remember my friend that (without condoning it) ethics and ideals back in the 70's were definately a zillion miles away from the crazyness we have today. Infact, looking at it, it appears quite tame to something like "Curry and Chips" which appeared at around the same time, and was blatantly racist against blacks and indians. Even then, it was considered by many to be the norm, and would definately NEVER garner a repeat showing at all these days. The Charlie Chan image of asians has been used in things as recent as Year of the Dragon, Temple of Doom, Murder by Death to far more derogatory effect. Concentrating more on the story and the mystic elements of the far east and you'll have a much better time viewing! Take care matey! SJW.

  • Oct. 22, 2011, 2:23 a.m. CST

    Baker - leela - K9

    by alpha

    The whole Face of Evil through Invasion of Time sequence of episodes is about as good as Who ever got. The mix of characters just clicked. Leela wasn't stupid and actually cottoned on to many difficult concepts astonishingly quickly but her primitive background gave her an aggression that Who rarely has, K9 was both funny, cute and useful and Baker had a ball playing what was probably the most deep Doc since Hartnell. Baker joked around one second but then the next clicked into an intensity that made the doc seem truly formidable.

  • Oct. 22, 2011, 3:15 a.m. CST

    From one basement fanboy* to another

    by gotilk

    Loved the second podcast! I prefer the casual, laid back and conversational podcasts over the heavily produced and planned ones. Whotininnies is my favorite conversational fan podcast currently. Enjoying the heck out of it. Keep it up! LOL'd at the hi-5 and the random passing of wind. (* without an actual basement) I agree that it would kind of suck if we got all stand-alone episodes with what felt like tacked-on *arc* bits at the end of each. Lots of character development can happen in a run of stand-alone episodes without some mysterious arc happening in *the background*.

  • Oct. 22, 2011, 3:36 a.m. CST

    Neil Gaiman short film (written and directed by)

    by gotilk

    Starring Bill Nighy and Amanda Palmer. Very sweet little story that easily could have been a silent era film. I thought it might be of interest to anyone here who had not seen it yet. Amanda Palmer just tweeted that it's *up (on youtube) until they take it down*. Statuesque - 10 Minute Tales S01 E05 Written and directed by Neil Gaiman (whoever posted it spelled it Gaimen, which might explain why I never found it in any searches, although there might be other copies floating around and I just searched badly) Enjoy while you can. I hope everyone here is well. See you, hopefully, tomorrow. p.s. - If it is removed and anyone here who wants to does not get a chance to see it, I have a copy. Let me know and I can see if there's a way to get it to you.

  • Oct. 22, 2011, 4:01 a.m. CST

    In the long, sad void until the Doctor returns...

    by Peter

    ...the BBC should consider dusting off some of the classic Doctor Who serials, such as the fantastically creepy "The Talons of Weng Chiang" and running them at the same time. They could preface them by a little ten minute documentary, interviewing the principal actors and production designers, and showcasing production stills. Just tidy up the effects with a light 'remaster' and trim a bit of the fat (normally I wouldn't recommend touching the pace of older material, but 1970s Doctor Who DID have a lot of unnecessary filler and could withstand a bit of judicious editing) and bring it back to the Saturday slot! It would be interesting to see how a modern audience responds to Tom Baker's Doctor. Oh, and if there's no appetite to run a repeat at that time on BBC1 on a Saturday, there's always BBC2!

  • Oct. 22, 2011, 4:08 a.m. CST


    by HornOrSilk

    It's hard to know how you will react to them. Keeper of Traken is good, but you will find it "slower." Logopolis and Castrovalva people tend to love or hate. They are odd... I will just have to say it as that.

  • Oct. 22, 2011, 4:27 a.m. CST

    What SM should do

    by HornOrSilk

    Have the BBC animate some lost stories during the hiatus. Suggestions: Power of the Daleks Evil of the Daleks Enemy of the World Web of Fear

  • Oct. 22, 2011, 5:31 a.m. CST

    Mr. Sin; Creepiest Who villain, ever?

    by Captain Howdy


  • Oct. 22, 2011, 7:43 a.m. CST

    gotilk re: podcast

    by Merrick

    Thank you! So glad you enjoyed it - definitely more to come quite soon... Much appreciated.

  • Oct. 22, 2011, 7:49 a.m. CST


    by Greg

    Slower is not necessarily a bad thing for me, as long as there is a good to great climax and/or ending or good or just "fun" performances that help keep the story from being dull. I'm more worried about spending an hour watching a story that I'm finding a bit dull and thus getting bored with it, waiting for a payoff that never happens. A lot of it would depend on the mood I'm in at the time I'm watching I suppose. Sometimes I feel like watching something with a bit more action and a lot faster pace and I might not get into something with a slower pace regardless. Your love it or hate it comment for Logopolis and Castrovalva actually has me slightly more interested now. Usually when something is polarizing, it is at least doing something different. I'll definitely go into it with an open mind.

  • Oct. 22, 2011, 11:33 a.m. CST


    by Kevin Bolinger

    Got busy, forgot to check in yesterday. this is yet another story I have yet to see, day, soon I hope. :)

  • Oct. 22, 2011, 11:45 a.m. CST

    This never aired in Canada because...

    by Yeti

    The Asian community had a bitch fit over some of the content (as we know, ALL Chinese are honest, non-secretive, and never keep to themselves - unlike some of the characters in this fictional story). Anyways. Saw the ep when it aired on PBS apparently the USA doesn't let itself get mirred in oversezlous political correctness and was blown away. TTOWC remains one of my favorite Who stories to this day.

  • Oct. 22, 2011, 11:55 a.m. CST

    Only one more season for Matt Smith?

    by DoctorTom

    I’ve got another year of Doctor Who, but then I’m certainly going to come and give it a shot, come and hang out in LA.

  • Oct. 22, 2011, 11:56 a.m. CST

    Hmm, single quote/apostrophe stuff seems to be truncating again

    by DoctorTom

    Anyway, that was a quote from Matt Smith when asked if he'd be looking for roles in Hollywood.

  • Oct. 22, 2011, 1:32 p.m. CST

    doctortom - Matt's words

    by Mister Vertue

    Yup, Matt said that and yes, he's contracted for one more year, but please don't read too much into that. There's a very, very good chance that Matt could sign for one more year and into the anniversary series. He could still get his time in Hollywood too, and I'm convinced he could do just as well as the likes of Carey Mulligan and Andrew Garfield, there's no doubt about that. But Matt truly loves the show, despite the long hours and the dedication that comes with playing such a role, and to assume that he'll walk away so easily would not be fair on him or the makers of the show. Nothing is set in stone yet, so lets keep our fingers crossed, eh?

  • Oct. 22, 2011, 1:34 p.m. CST

    Robert Holmes is the grand master of Doctor Who

    by kwisatzhaderach

    "I was with the Filipino army at their final advance on Reykjavik." Perhaps the best line out of all 32 seasons.

  • Oct. 22, 2011, 1:35 p.m. CST

    Merrick - Matt in a wet t-shirt contest

    by Mister Vertue

    Do you know how many times I've heard young ladies suggest such a thing (amongst many other weird and wonderful costume suggestions)? This might be the first time I've heard such a suggestion from a man though, so congrats on that one!

  • Oct. 22, 2011, 1:46 p.m. CST


    by Merrick

    Happy to help! (rolls eyes)

  • Oct. 22, 2011, 1:59 p.m. CST

    gotlik - thank you so much

    by Mister Vertue

    For posting Neil's short film. Isn't it beautiful? Bill shows yet again why he's so sought after and Neil's wonderful wife Amanda (who also happens to be a big, big Doctor Who fan - not sure if you knew that) gave a wonderfully understated performance as the statue. It wouldn't surprise me at all if she follows in Bill's footsteps and makes an appearance alongside Matt at some point in the (near?) future.

  • Oct. 22, 2011, 2:04 p.m. CST

    Podcasts - I really have to get around to listening

    by Mister Vertue

    If only to hear Merrick's voice. I always like hearing an author's voice when reading his work.

  • Oct. 22, 2011, 2:25 p.m. CST


    by Kevin Bolinger

    I would personally like to see Matt beat Tom Baker's record for seasons. I know actors can get restless staying in the same roll for years, but the man was born to be The Doctor! I will admit, Tennant got me into Who, since I was already a fan of his from Harry Potter...but now, after watching alot of classic Who, and all of NuWho, I will say, my top 2 Doctors are Jon Pertwee and Matt. I would really hate to see him leave, even after the grand anniversary!

  • Oct. 22, 2011, 2:33 p.m. CST

    MOV re: podcast

    by Merrick

    Be sure to start with number one - and possibly skip to the upcoming third installment. Number 2 is a lot of fun but is a bit unhinged, although it's nicely in keeping with our "capturing the Geeky essence of two friends on a phone call" mission statement. #2 also involves a fart machine, which is either wondrous or tragic depending on one's perspective. Ironically, the software (or connection?) is making both of us sound far higher-pitched than we are in real life - trying to figure that one out.

  • Oct. 22, 2011, 2:33 p.m. CST

    Oh and guys...

    by Kevin Bolinger

    As soon as my buddy uploads the new issue of his web show, I will post the link here, I make a pretty funny appearance as the 11th Doctor in it, warning him to stop filming in front of a green screen, so that he could place me in the well as TARIDS sound effects, should be fun :) Hope you guys enjoy my fat butt as the Doctor :P

  • Oct. 22, 2011, 2:52 p.m. CST

    Hmmm.. pity..I rather hoped we'd catch a little tit.

    by gotilk

    Well,doctor, I guess we'll just have to make the breast of it. Great line. And if I had a nickle for ....blah blah stack of nickles blahdeeblah... lol Honestly, this must mean something other than what it means in America. Then again, he was hoping to go to *the theater*, so maybe it means what I think it means and he was simply looking forward to seeing some showgirls. I just started watching Talons. First impressions (I have seen it before, but so long ago) are that they truly should have tried to find an asian actor. I haven't felt this uncomfortable since Gielgud was in the musical version of Lost Horizon. Still enjoying it though. Nice mood. And that dummy is just flat-out creepy.

  • Oct. 22, 2011, 3:02 p.m. CST

    Merrick. (the voice thing)

    by gotilk

    That sounding higher pitched thing is something pretty much everyone who has ever recorded himself thinks. It has to do with not hearing the resonance in your head when listening to your own voice. You're used to hearing yourself your entire life WITH the resonance created by your head, your nasal cavities, throat, etc. Take that away and you will think you sound tinny or too high pitched, missing all of that resonance and low end. You can EQ the recording in a way after that fact that brings some of that back (some recording software even have resonance filter plug-ins, and you can boost certain bass frequencies), but in the end you just have to get used to your voice not sounding the same in a recording as it does coming out of your own head. On the bright side, no-one but you will have that impression, as none of us are used to hearing your voice in YOUR head. You both sound just fine to the rest of us.

  • Oct. 22, 2011, 3:04 p.m. CST


    by gotilk

    You did another one? Fun! Maybe you'll become a regular on the show. Loved your costume.

  • Oct. 22, 2011, 3:31 p.m. CST

    This episode is truly dark.

    by gotilk

    And I don't mean badly lit.

  • Oct. 22, 2011, 3:43 p.m. CST

    Wake up DocBackers!

    by gotilk

    You're sleeping late again aren't you?

  • Oct. 22, 2011, 3:53 p.m. CST


    by Merrick

    Ah! I took that into account...people who know me outside of The Matrix also noticed the distortion I'm talking about. Ken just offered-up some sort of techno-theory about the matter, but frankly I glazed over. THANK YOU so much for your support and feedback. Truly appreciated...

  • Oct. 22, 2011, 3:53 p.m. CST

    You opium addicted scum are all bunglers

    by gotilk

    wow. just wow. I'll have to remember that if I ever run into trouble down the street at the 7-11 by the methadone clinic though. This truly is a very dark episode, on many levels. But I'm loving every minute of it. I'm into part 2 now.

  • Oct. 22, 2011, 4:01 p.m. CST

    The Fades

    by Merrick

    Just a moment to re-assert how cool the show is. I'm up to Episode 3 now - 4 and 5 tonight I should think. One more ep for this Season/Series - then...??? *So* hope it comes back - but wondering how it'll fare now 'cuz That Moffat & our beloved Doctor have swept away one of its producers. It'll be fine, I'm sure. Watching that show, I get the strong sense that there are plenty of brilliantly crazed people over there...

  • Oct. 22, 2011, 4:14 p.m. CST

    Linyphiidae (money spider)

    by gotilk

    First I've heard of this type of spider. I am also happy to have never met one. *shudder*

  • Oct. 22, 2011, 4:28 p.m. CST

    Well, they were Chinese ruffians.

    by gotilk

    And the hole gets deeper and deeper. lol I'm loving this story, but the *I cannot believe they just said that* moments are sure stacking up. Things sure were different back then.

  • Oct. 22, 2011, 4:29 p.m. CST

    I've been meaning to watch The Fades.

    by gotilk

    Worth it then, eh? On netflix already? Or will I have to find *alternate means*?

  • Oct. 22, 2011, 4:32 p.m. CST

    gotilk re: Chang

    by Merrick

    Do you have any issues with Chang being played by a white guy? Some people do...I personally thought the performance was inspired and didn't feel it was charged by racism. There's a "yellow" line coming up that'll kill you...

  • Oct. 22, 2011, 4:34 p.m. CST

    I find it hilarious

    by gotilk

    that someone addicted to the essence of young women criticizes opium addicts. LOL

  • Oct. 22, 2011, 4:36 p.m. CST

    Gotilk re: Fades

    by Merrick

    The show is still running - no Netflix yet. Give it a few eps: #1 is a strong intro, #2 wobbled a bit, #3 is extremely nice - show really starts to gel here I think. Haven't seen #4 or #5, but hear very good things. Watching them this weekend.

  • Oct. 22, 2011, 4:39 p.m. CST

    I haven't watched the Fades yet, but I'm planning on it

    by DoctorTom

    I've been getting the episodes; I figured I'd watch them all in a bunch when the season was over. I haven't heard a bad word about the show yet. I think I'll also watch The Hidden that way (especially since there's only one episode left to broadcast) - I'm willing to try Philip Glenister in another series (Life on Mars and Ashes to Ashes bought him enough goodwill that I'm willing to overlookd Demons).

  • Oct. 22, 2011, 4:42 p.m. CST

    gotilk, I don't think it's on netflix yet

    by DoctorTom

    at least in the States; that stuff doesn't usually show up here until BBC America broadcasts it first, which I'm hoping they'll do next year. I figure that after Bedlam wraps up, BBCA will be showing season 5 of Primeval on Saturdays in order to have broadcast them all before the DVD release date of January 10.

  • Oct. 22, 2011, 4:44 p.m. CST

    UNGHH!! This one has muscles like a horse!!

    by gotilk

    Takes me back to a time when my best friend would set me up on blind dates.

  • Oct. 22, 2011, 4:50 p.m. CST

    gotilk, Merrick re: Chang

    by DoctorTom

    I didn't have a problem with a white person playing Li H'Sen Chang. This was common back then and still persisted long after that - in 1985 you had Joel Grey playing Chium in Remo Williams: The Adventure Begins (and he was the best part of the movie). John Bennett didn't seem motivated by racism when he did it, and gave the part a certain dignity. Certainly, he came off better than the rest of the Tong (but then again, nameless extras like that are usually there to get killed, no matter what race they are).

  • Oct. 22, 2011, 5:12 p.m. CST

    gotilk, re: your blind dates

    by DoctorTom

    did they usually turn out with muscles like a horse? Or was it usually more along the lines of them having the face of one?

  • Oct. 22, 2011, 6:30 p.m. CST

    gotilk, I believe what the Doctor says is:

    by vroom socko

    "I'd rather hoped we'd catch Little Tich." Tich was a stage comedian. Not quite as filthy a line as you thought, sorry.

  • Oct. 22, 2011, 6:41 p.m. CST

    merrick re: Chang

    by gotilk

    I wouldn't go so far as to call it racist either, but some of the lines are so cringeworthy, I couldn't help but laugh. Overall I find the whole story very entertaining. And Baker just elevates everything, always.

  • Oct. 22, 2011, 6:44 p.m. CST

    Little Tich

    by gotilk That guy? Whoops, my bad. lol

  • Oct. 22, 2011, 6:47 p.m. CST

    For those without Netflix

    by gotilk

    *Talons* IS on youtube in its entirety.

  • Oct. 22, 2011, 6:55 p.m. CST

    Leela cleans up rather nicely.

    by gotilk

    And quickly, too.

  • Oct. 22, 2011, 7:15 p.m. CST

    Opium smells like decaying fruit?

    by gotilk


  • Oct. 22, 2011, 7:17 p.m. CST

    Forgot to say thanks, vroom socko !

    by gotilk

    Thank you for clearing up the whole *little tit* - *little Tich* thing. I still wonder why he said *A Little Tich* rather than just *Little Tich* though. Curious.

  • Oct. 22, 2011, 7:18 p.m. CST

    doctortom re: blind dates

    by gotilk

    You have no idea. *shudder*

  • Oct. 22, 2011, 7:22 p.m. CST

    I have to say.... ZOMG!

    by gotilk

    Chang is smoking opium on TV. I'm surprised they would show that. Then again... the 70s. It was a strange time. Both tolerant and backward, progressive and regressive. I guess they respected *kids'* ability to put certain things in context back then.

  • Oct. 22, 2011, 7:29 p.m. CST

    Magnus Greel's constant insults aimed at his minions

    by gotilk

    end up being hilarious after a while. These episodes are very well written, and I love Litefoot. Great character. I hope this does not end up being the last time we see him.

  • Oct. 22, 2011, 7:43 p.m. CST


    by Kevin Bolinger

    LOL, that is the general idea, me becming a semi regular part of the show, maybe not every ep, but maybe every other...depends on how well received I am in the next episode, I need to practice my acting though lol.

  • Oct. 22, 2011, 7:47 p.m. CST


    by gotilk

    It really looks like great fun.

  • Oct. 22, 2011, 7:53 p.m. CST


    by Kevin Bolinger

    It is fun, and now that I am able to do my own editing and whatnot, including removing green screen and inserting backgrounds, it will make it easier for my buddy, since I can send him nearly finished files that he can then edit to his liking and insert into the show.

  • Oct. 22, 2011, 8:30 p.m. CST

    darthdevious re:editing

    by gotilk

    What software do you use? I've been looking for something reasonable/free to do basic green screen work from 720p files. I got a pro green screen that collapses into a pretty compact circular, zippable case. And when it unfolds, it has no wrinkles. Very nice. Just for fun stuff though, nothing pro.

  • Oct. 22, 2011, 8:32 p.m. CST

    Did I hear right?

    by gotilk

    Does Magnus refer to the girls as *hags* and *cartridges*? LOL! Holy cow. He's not just villainous, he's downright nasty. But those piggy noises Mr Sin makes take the cake. *snort snort* YUCK!

  • This has been one of the best Baker who stories I've seen so far. The villain was very well-written, and at time hilarious. Especially the insults he spits at his minions and Chang. Tom Baker is often hilarious, Litefoot is a great character. From 0 to 10 I give this one a 9! Great entertainment, not as slow as I'd expect for a story that's SIX parts long. Not many dull moments at all, really, mostly because of great characters and writing. The only negative is that we lose Magnus, a nasty, terrible but entertaining and over-the-top villain in the vein of the master. Of course the Master wouldn't be that RUDE, from what I've seen so far. And Mr Sin was DEEP ROY!!!! I didn't notice it in the credits before. You may be familiar with him from his parts as all of the Oompa-Loompas in the Tim Burton Charlie and The Chocolate factory as well as a great role in East Bound and Down. He was also in Blake's 7. I see he was also in *The Trial of a Time Lord*

  • Oct. 22, 2011, 9 p.m. CST

    my post was deleted?

    by gotilk


  • This has been one of the best Baker who stories I've seen so far. The villain was very well-written, and at time hilarious. Especially the insults he spits at his minions and Chang. Tom Baker is often hilarious, Litefoot is a great character. From 0 to 10 I give this one a 9! Great entertainment, not as slow as I'd expect for a story that's SIX parts long. Not many dull moments at all, really, mostly because of great characters and writing. The only negative is that we lose Magnus, a nasty, terrible but entertaining and over-the-top villain in the vein of the master. Of course the Master wouldn't be that RUDE, from what I've seen so far. And Mr Sin was DEEP ROY!!!! I didn't notice it in the credits before. You may be familiar with him from his parts as all of the Oompa-Loompas in the Tim Burton Charlie and The Chocolate factory as well as a great role in East Bound and Down. He was also in Blake's 7. I see he was also in *The Trial of a Time Lord*

  • Oct. 22, 2011, 9:01 p.m. CST

    Sorry for double post there.

    by gotilk

    It didn't show up at first.

  • Oct. 22, 2011, 9:09 p.m. CST

    I also forgot to add that the fight scenes were better

    by gotilk

    than I'm used to on some classic Who. Some fight choreography, on some episodes, resembles a group of people with cerebral palsy playing badminton wearing shoes three times too large. On quaaludes. While disinterested.

  • Oct. 22, 2011, 9:10 p.m. CST

    I guess it's going to remain kind of slow here this evening.

    by gotilk

    I'll check in later.

  • Oct. 23, 2011, 12:16 a.m. CST

    Just popping in a second.

    by The Transformed Man

    Feeling kind of ill, have to do all sorts of paperwork, orders, etc. for work. I have a feeling I'm going to be a mess exactly on Halloween when I'm going to work as the Eleventh Doctor. My nose will likely be running up and down the corridors. Somebody come keep gotilk company!

  • Oct. 23, 2011, 12:21 a.m. CST

    Alluded or Eluded?

    by Kensai

    depth of color, and crispness of sound which alluded the story during its first DVD appearance

  • Oct. 23, 2011, 12:24 a.m. CST

    Alluded or Eluded

    by Kensai

    The line makes no sense using "alluded" Something is referred to when it is alluded.

  • Oct. 23, 2011, 12:25 a.m. CST


    by gotilk

    I think it's eluded. Looks like your post got cut off because you tried to use quotation marks. The bug still seems to exist for about 98 percent of us.

  • Oct. 23, 2011, 12:28 a.m. CST


    by gotilk

    I hope you feel better in time for Halloween. Go get some megadoses of C. Works for me, I'm one of those people that stays well when everyone around me is sick. (and if they cause kidney stones, which turned out to be a discredited study, after about 25 years of doing it you'd think I'd at least have one.. lol)

  • Oct. 23, 2011, 12:47 a.m. CST


    by Kevin Bolinger

    I use powerdirector 9...which isnt free ( normaly) :P take that for what its worth lol lol

  • Oct. 23, 2011, 3:19 a.m. CST

    Just been checking ou a few other threads on AICN before coming here......

    by sam jacksons wig

    ...and it has once more confirmed what a breath of fresh air this place has been. Check out some of the comments others have been posting regarding Ben Affleck possibly directing the Stand movies!!! Just not in the mood for that kind of negativity.....

  • Oct. 23, 2011, 3:41 a.m. CST

    Thanks darthdevious

    by gotilk

    I'll check out its features. Much appreciated.

  • Oct. 23, 2011, 3:56 a.m. CST


    by gotilk

    It is an oasis, isn't it? I read that thread as well. I think he did a fine job directing The Town, and I don't normally like that type of ... I guess heist film? They could do a LOT worse for The Stand. The DocBacks have actually improved my way of interacting with people across the net, not just here. I tend to pay attention to what I'm saying, what impact it will have, etc. Much more than I used to. Of course the frequency of my typos will probably never improve. lol But everything else? You bet. Let's hope it can stick around. Time for me to get some sleep. You take care, be well. That goes for all DocBackers. Sunday is a lazy day, maybe we'll see more people here.

  • Oct. 23, 2011, 4:29 a.m. CST


    by Cliff Shelton

    Hi everyone, new to the Docbacks, but not new to DW. When I saw this post, I had to finally join in. It's great to see Merrick visit the show's past and Talons is, without question, my very favorite Tom Baker. It may be, in my opinion, one of the very best classic Who episodes ever. Anyway thanks again for visiting these stories. To me they are all like old friends, so I hope to be able to join in the discussions about them every week!

  • Oct. 23, 2011, 5:29 a.m. CST

    The subject of acting as a person of another race.....

    by sam jacksons wig

    ...tricky one this. I have decided to broach the subject with something akin to dipping my bloodied toe into shark-infested waters. Do I mind it? No, not really. It just depends on which context it is a) played and b) taken. I can certainly understand the need for it to be handled delicately. A few (quite a few!!!) years ago in England, we had a show called "Mind your language." I mention this as it was about an English Language teacher at a college for foreign adults who wanted to learn the language. As a kid, I took it as a huge slice of fun (retrospectively, the show was actually pants!!!) and laughed at how those "silly foreigners" acted. The issue with this is that they were all portrayed stereotypically- japanese man with camera (I shit you not), stern German faced woman wearing shorts with blond hair and pigtails, french woman wearing slinky clothing and puuuuuuuring when she talked, mexican with handlebar 'tache and lisp etc etc. My point here is what was meant in fun all of those years ago is not how we look at things now, as culture and sensibilities have changed. Now we find material of this nature to be demeaning and offensive cross-culturally. And it doesn't stop there. Although i am not from London and am not a cockney, boy was I pissed off with how Dick Van Dyke did his "apples and pears" act in Mary Poppins. During that time, that was the image of a cock-er-nee- all rhyming slang, flat caps, and pearly kings and queens. Funny how things that simple can rile an individual, eh?? You can take that same stance with Weng-Chiang. The part needed to exude a bit of menace, and to a degree be portrayed as a devious Charlie Chan character. I get that, and the problem that we have again, is not one of racism, but of stereotyping a race. Yes, that is different. Racism is a defining act of hatred, whereas stereotyping is ingorance to a degree. Looking back on it, the part could not have been played any other way in order for the show to work. What was being showcased was the mysticism of the far east, not an exercise in racism designed to offend. For that, look to Robert Downey Jr and Tropic Thunder..... ....and they gave him an oscar nod for that one. Funny, eh? SJW.

  • Oct. 23, 2011, 5:34 a.m. CST

    Baker Eps

    by Noel

    Talons is a great example of the sort of episode I used to love. Merrick, if you haven't already, may I suggest watching Pyramids of Mars soon. It's from roughly the same era and has a wonderfully sinister villain voiced by Gabriel Wolfe. I like these DocBacks as it gives me a chance to hear the opinions of people just getting to know Who and appreciating it - not just complaining about the shoddy production or hammy acting. As an aside, I have heard that the 50th anniversary season is planned as 'indulgent and a love letter to the fans' - which could mean absolutely anything.

  • Oct. 23, 2011, 5:49 a.m. CST


    by sam jacksons wig

    ...yeah. I have not posted in a little while. I really began to become jaded by the whole thing, you know? We had a bit of negativity start creeping up on these DocBacks, and I just found myself beginning to switch off from the whole shebang. The negativity was just not constructive, and hence became unenjoyable. Combined with feeling ill and miserable...well, bllluuuuurrggghhhh. Time and time again what brings me back are the posters who just love to be here and treat the whole affair with that sense of fun, comradery and respect. I have not found that anywhere else. Even on sites who are fiercely moderated, the love is not there. I find they are quite sterile. I do feel that we are in slight danger of having too many rules here (what worked for us since we decided on the code of conduct was doing so just fine thank you very much)- I mean, AICN as a whole doesn't really have too many of them does it???- again something that bothered me on a personal level, but then you can't really complain about having too many rules when a) the majority of the populace want them, and b) by thunder, they seem to work! (and by that I am referring to the last addition, not what we have all agreed on before, and the fact that it was implemented after a deliberate act of trolling by the person who offered it up.) But hey- I love the place, and no-one actually asks me to come here and share things with you! I do feel that I can, because to me you are all my on-line family, and to cut to the chase I would miss you all like a pain should I ever decide to call it quits. Sleep well. SJW.

  • Oct. 23, 2011, 5:58 a.m. CST


    by sam jacksons wig

    If the 50th is still being spearheaded by the Mr the Sir the Moff, and involves Matt Smith as our fave timelord, then that would be enough for me. Most on here believe that the question from last season will be carried on to the 50th, and that we will not reach Trenzalore until that appointed time. What would make it great for me is that by mentioning the Docs name, it actually manages to unravel his existance and we begin to see him go through past regenerations, rather than just Doc meets Doc meets Doc meets Doc meets Doc, which we have seen on other occasions. Nice for a bit of nostalgia, but not very effective as a means to tell a tale. Too many faces competing for screen time!!!! Take care!!!

  • Oct. 23, 2011, 6:01 a.m. CST

    salamonsky - welcome to the DocBack mate!!!!!...

    by sam jacksons wig

    ...stay a while. Chew the fat. Share your ideas, theories and your passion. It's what we do here. Don't feel that you can't voice your opinions or your ideas- none will be looked at offensively (I mean, you should have heard some of ours this year!!!! Shit!!!!!). It's nice to know you. SJW.

  • Oct. 23, 2011, 6:49 a.m. CST


    by Merrick

    Eluded! Thanks for that catch - poor proofing on my part.

  • Oct. 23, 2011, 9:39 a.m. CST

    just watching a good portion of this

    by Greg

    on youtube (thanks for the heads up gotlik). Unfortunately I couldn't find a few sections (including the conclusion). Still, showed me enough that I definitely should pick up the DVD. The Asian stereotyping was a little distracting yes, but not enough to completely take me out of the story. Loved the giant rats. This is only the second time I had seen Leela (I watched Horror of Fang Rock earlier yesterday on Netflix) and she was fantastic. Tough and bloodthirsty, my kind of lady. The whole feel of the story to me was like a sort of Phantom of the Opera meets Big Trouble in Little China (which also had the Asian stereotyping but playing by actual people of the Asian Persuasion-yes improper usage but it made it rhyme and I can't resist a good rhyme, sorry) meets Sherlock Holmes thing and I really liked that. Looking forward to diving into more classic Who in the future.

  • Oct. 23, 2011, 1:13 p.m. CST

    salamonskey - welcome!

    by DoctorTom

    It's always nice to have new people coming in to post! I agree with you, this is one of Baker's best stories, and possibly one of the best Who stories made. I think it was in the top 10 when they did the poll that covered from the first story through The End of Time. (I suspect that if we did the poll today, we'd see at least one Matt Smith story in the top 10.) Baker was well represented in the top ten; I'm probably completely misremembering but I think he had 4 or 5 of the top ten spots.

  • Oct. 23, 2011, 1:20 p.m. CST

    Ah yes - it was in the top 10

    by DoctorTom

    Thanks to Google and someone posting the poll results on a web page, the top ten (through the end of Tennant) were: 001. The Caves of Androzani. 002. Blink. 003. Genesis of the Daleks. 004. The Talons of Weng-Chiang. 005. The Empty Child / The Doctor Dances. 006. Human Nature / The Family of Blood. 007. Pyramids of Mars. 008. City of Death. 009. The Robots of Death. 010. Bad Wolf / The Parting of the Ways. So, Talons was at number 4, and Baker DID have half of the top ten slots (4 of the 5 being Hinchcliffe/Holmes production, and one written by Douglas Adams) Just to present the other side, the bottom ten were: 191. The Dominators. 192. Fear Her. 193. Paradise Towers. 194. The Underwater Menace. 195. The Space Pirates. 196. Time-Flight. 197. Underworld. 198. Time and the Rani. 199. Timelash. 200. The Twin Dilemma. So, Tom Baker ended up with 1 near the bottom (with 2 Colin Baker stories deservedly sitting smack at the bottom of the list - these stories didn't do him any favors - 2 McCoy stories, 3 Troughton stories, 1 Davi(d)son and 1 Tennant story which ISN'T Fear Her!)

  • Oct. 23, 2011, 1:21 p.m. CST

    er, correction at the end of that list

    by DoctorTom

    the comment should have been that it wasn't Love and Monsters, not that it wasn't Fear Her (Neurons still not firing yet, need more caffeine)

  • The original version (at least for Region 1) had an extra with the Howard Da Silva intros and Next Time narration, that was dropped from this version. It would have been nice if they could have preserved the Da Silva bits as an extra for all the Tom Baker shows between Robot and The Invasion of Time as people who started watching Doctor Who at a certain time in the US had those introductions.

  • Oct. 23, 2011, 1:28 p.m. CST

    On the casting of Chang

    by DoctorTom

    It was discussed in the extras (and I think it might have also popped up in the commentary and/or production notes), they claimed that there weren't that many Asians acting at that time (I suppose the ones they cast as extras didn't count, or they didn't do well with the part of Chang). They also noted that they didn't have any Chinese stuntmen at the BBC at the time so they used their standard stuntmen. They also used Stuart Fell to stand in for Leela since all the BBC's female stuntmen were booked at the time.

  • Oct. 23, 2011, 1:34 p.m. CST

    Hi, Sam!

    by DoctorTom

    Nice to see you back and posting again! The Trenzalore stuff makes sense to have mentioned now if Moffat knew of a specific time when Matt Smith would leave (whether it's next year or if it's the year after that). Of course, this will have great effect on the 2012 Christmas special - if Matt leaves at the end of the season shooting next year, they'll have to decide whether or not they're going to hold any episodes over for 2013. If not, then you either have the new Doctor in the Christmas Special, or have the special be the story with the Fields of Trenzalore. If they hold stories back, then obviously they can do a 'normal' Christmas story with Matt that would take place in the middle of his next season, and he would bow out during 2013 (which would allow them to claim he stayed around for the 50th anniversary). With Moffat's last statement of the BBC's still not sure how next season is going to be broken up (or, at least they're not telling if they have) developments should be interesting.

  • Oct. 23, 2011, 1:47 p.m. CST

    Oooh, Captain 'Chunky' Gilmore is back!

    by DoctorTom

    Big Finish is putting out a 4 CD set called Counter-Measures, with the pre-UNIT types from Remembrance of the Daleks. They got all 3 of the people to reprise their roles on audio. I hope they get to have Sylvester McCoy appear in one of their stories.

  • Oct. 23, 2011, 2:15 p.m. CST

    You wouldn't want that with yer steak and onions!

    by melonman

    One of the best stories from the best period of Who (for me anyway). Ripping yarn genius - great double bill with Horror of Fang Rock.

  • Oct. 23, 2011, 4:27 p.m. CST

    Docbackers ...

    by DrMorbius

    If you follow the link below, you will be presented with a picture (can be enlarged) of 180 or so, Robots, Androids, Metal Men etc... titled "Where's Wall-E". An amusing distraction to be sure but, there are numerous (how many can you find?) representatives from the "Whoverse". Check it out here ...

  • Oct. 23, 2011, 5:33 p.m. CST


    by gotilk

    This Howard Da Silva? If so, great actor. I think millions of Americans will always see, as I do, his face when imagining Benjamin Franklin because of his role in the film 1776, as well as a documentary about Franklin. It was one of those rare cases when an actor just truly becomes the person he portrays and overshadows even the recorded images of the actual person. What a performer. I even ended up watching all of the video above, a touching but low budget affair about an aging musician who finds his compassion. He will be missed. I had no idea he had anything to do with Doctor Who. Did it have something to do with PBS?

  • Oct. 23, 2011, 5:38 p.m. CST

    sam jacksons wig

    by gotilk

    I had some negative feelings for a few days as well, for many of the same reasons. But after giving it some real thought, I decided to just let it go finally. Mostly because of people like you, and the others here. I'm so glad you decided to participate again. While the new rule might take a bit of the old fun away, I realized posting in an older DocBack the other day that I could essentially do the same thing AND say things of significance. Yes, it still bugs me, but I'm over it. If anything I ever do is considered disruptive, I'll modify my behaviour. Everyone here is worth it to me. It is nice to see things back to normal.

  • Oct. 23, 2011, 5:40 p.m. CST


    by gotilk

    If you go to dailymotion, they have the whole episode there without any missing parts. Just found it. Go there and search for the episode title and there it will be.

  • Oct. 23, 2011, 5:51 p.m. CST


    by gotilk

    Wow! That image is amazing! I even found Earthworm Jim. But no luck with Wall-E.

  • Oct. 23, 2011, 6:06 p.m. CST


    by DrMorbius

    Not even one of the ? Doctor Who representations? The most blatant one I found long before I spotted Wall-E.

  • Oct. 23, 2011, 6:08 p.m. CST


    by gotilk

    Oh I spotted tons of Who-related bots and many others, but still... no Wall_E.

  • Oct. 23, 2011, 6:15 p.m. CST

    Gotilk! You've seen 1776?

    by DoctorTom

    I thought I was one of the few that had seen it - back in school we had a special trip to see it in the theater when it first opened up (oh so long ago). The initial batch of Doctor Who episodes released to PBS (covering from Robot to The Invasion of Time) had some opening narration over the repeat of the previous episode's cliffhanger, and also had a Next Time thing inserted in the middle of the end credits with a bit from the next part of the story, along with more narration. They got Howard Da Silva to do the narration of these. The introductions often gave away key plot points and such, and weren't really needed, but they could be amusing and were something that my generation of Who would appreciate preserving (as extras, unless they really want to get into branching things for optionally including the Da Silva narration).

  • Oct. 23, 2011, 6:56 p.m. CST

    Thanks gotlik

    by Greg

    Just finished it up. I'll be adding the Special Edition to my DVD collection at some point (I'll wait for a good deal so it could be awhile).

  • I hardly saw it. Whenever the PBS channel in the New York area showed Who, they always spliced the episodes together, turning them into movies. (They may have shown "War Games" in two parts because of its length, it was a 10 parter.) The only time I may have noticed Mr Da Silva's voice is when local network channels would show Doctor Who in its original 30 minute format.

  • "The High Chaparral" an american western tv show from the 60s (He had a recurring role on it.) than from "Doctor Who". I never saw "1776".

  • Oct. 23, 2011, 11:20 p.m. CST

    Thanks, everyone

    by Cliff Shelton

    for the welcome, it's very kind of you all. Been reading some of the talkbacks here, and a few comments. Re: Howard Da Silva - if you get a few of the earliest R1 DVDs (Robots of Death/Ark in Space, I believe) - the Da Silva intros/outros are included. They aren't on the R2 DVDs, but they were included in some of the broadcast episodes as we saw them here (in Atlanta) in the eighties and even into the nineties. They were mostly present in the episodic formats, as the omnibus ones had the cliffhangers edited out etc. The most famous one we had here was in the badly-edited omnibus of “Underworld.” Right in the middle of the story, there's Da Silva saying “As the crew plunge into the Underworld…” and then he gets cut off. We never heard the rest of the sentence, haha! I'll have to go back and read some of the ones about Matt Smith (my favorite of the new Doctors) but I'll be here every week from now on!

  • Oct. 23, 2011, 11:32 p.m. CST


    by gotilk

    Nice to see you, by the way. You know I think PBS in my area (KVIE) used to splice them together too. I'll ask around and find out. I never once noticed Who airing on a non-PBS station in my region. KTVU 2 in the SF area may have, seems like something they would do. But I could barely bring that one in at night with a huge aerial antennae (I used to drive the neighbors crazy doing my own makeshift aerials on the roof) in order to catch Creature Features (which started in Sacramento actually).

  • Oct. 23, 2011, 11:37 p.m. CST


    by gotilk

    I adored 1776! I was really into Benjamin Franklin when I was a kid. I know, odd obsession. I think I recall visiting the museum at his former home and watching a documentary there as well (that he starred in). But I had to have been VERY young. I'll have to see if my mom or sisters recall doing that. I'll appreciate the addition of Da Silva on the DVDs when I get them. I honestly cannot wait to watch classic Who on the 46 incher TV. Now I just need to get a blu-ray player because my PS3 stopped reading discs. Nothing to watch DVDs on now. :(

  • Oct. 23, 2011, 11:38 p.m. CST


    by gotilk

    You're welcome. Glad I could help.

  • Oct. 23, 2011, 11:41 p.m. CST


    by gotilk

    Sorry I didn't get the chance to welcome you as well. WELCOME! I think you'll love some of those old DocBacks, tons of great discussions. (along with a lot of nonsensical stuff to keep the DocBack easily accessible.... heh... *sigh* *looks at shoes*) Stick around and take part in the fun. Great to meet you.

  • Oct. 23, 2011, 11:50 p.m. CST

    Talons really did impress me.

    by gotilk

    I'm so happy that I took the time this weekend to watch it in full. Now I expect I'll dive right into more Baker years episodes. I need to go back to the beginning of his run now though, and put the McCoy era on pause for a while. Riiiight after I watch *The Pirate Planet*. I still have not seen this Douglas Adams scripted story.

  • That's what happens when you start getting up in the morning. lol. Well, be well DocBackers! I'll check in a couple of times before bed.

  • Oct. 24, 2011, 12:04 a.m. CST

    The Doctor Who Cookbook!!! ???

    by gotilk

    I had to come back and post this info. Yes, you can get it and yes it includes a recipe from Lalla Ward! I'm thinking I kinda have to own this. At under 50 bucks, I could pull it off by selling off a few duplicate books of mine on e-bay. Just so I can make things called DalekCakes or whatever and post pictures of the results here. Cookbook or not, I now MUST make Dalek Cookies no matter what. Or even better... TARDIS cookies. I am no longer on the nerd edge... I have fallen off.

  • Oct. 24, 2011, 6:03 a.m. CST

    Good morning.

    by gotilk

    *sigh* Where did everyone go?

  • Oct. 24, 2011, 9:29 a.m. CST

    Good morning, gotilk!

    by DoctorTom

    I'm back again, checking in. I can understand the Ben Franklin fixation, he was definitely one of the more interesting historical characters in America. I'd love to see him used in a Doctor Who story. (It wouldn't have to be set in America necessarily, there was the time Ben Franklin spent in France. 1776 was a fun movie; I was disappointed that when it was put on again last decade as a play with Brent Spiner in the cast they didn't film one of the days and put it out as a movie. I understand wanting to go back and watch more Tom Baker after watching Talons - I went back last night and watched The Invasion of Time, and will probably supplement with more Tom Baker during the week (Deadly Assassin, Brain of Morbius, Robot, City of Death and maybe even Revenge of the Cybermen have been trying to grab my attention lately - now if I could just find my copies of The Ark in Space and The Sontaran Experiment)

  • Oct. 24, 2011, 9:30 a.m. CST

    As for Da Silva

    by DoctorTom

    yes, he got edited out in the omnibus editions. When PBS first picked up the Doctor Who package, though, they were showing them one episode per day on weekdays (usually with a repeat of one entire story on the weekend), and the single episodes had the da Silva narration.

  • If I remember correctly, besides PBS showing spliced-together Who on Sunday mid-afternoon, ( They also showed "All Creatures Great And Small" and "Blake's 7" before and after Who.), Doctor Who was sometimes on a local network channel around 7am on Saturdays. Like somone said earlier, first, they showed all of Tom Baker's Who, then, Peter Davison's, then, Jon Pertwee's, then, all complete Who, starting with, "An Unearthly Child". Ahhhhhhh, the good ol' days!!!!

  • Watch if you dare lol lol...

  • Oct. 24, 2011, 6:19 p.m. CST

    Obligatory update of Doctor Who story commentary

    by DoctorTom

    secreted, as it has been since it started, in the Closing Time thread. Today I put in some comments for the Key To Time season, the Williams/Adams season and the JN-T/Bidmead season stories, with a bonus K9 & Company commentary. I'm slowly making my way through the stories.

  • Oct. 24, 2011, 8:02 p.m. CST


    by gotilk

    Nice work!

  • Oct. 24, 2011, 8:07 p.m. CST


    by gotilk

    Delightful! That was fun, I bet. That Breaux Show is full of charm and he seems to really love doing it. I find myself drawn to it like the old late night local horror shows or the more entertaining public access shows. Great stuff.

  • Oct. 24, 2011, 8:28 p.m. CST

    Nice plug at the end there for your youtube too, Darthdevious

    by gotilk


  • Oct. 24, 2011, 8:30 p.m. CST


    by Kevin Bolinger

    Thanks! Yes it is fun working with Mike, and I like hanging out with him, he lives about 45 minutes from me. He would one day like to have this show be his full time job, with me working with him, but only time will tell if that will happen. If we can spread the word, and get people interested, it might take off. I also like how he plugged my youtube channel, though i only have two reviews on it, but one is a Dalek Ironside figure lol, check it out if you wish!

  • Oct. 24, 2011, 8:31 p.m. CST

    Love the Dalek Ironside review

    by gotilk

    And also love the detail of the figure.

  • Oct. 24, 2011, 8:39 p.m. CST


    by gotilk

    Nothing beats working with friends on something you love. Nothing. I did a podcast with my friend back when podcasts were just a few weeks old (there were only a handful of them at the time) and we quit after about 9 episodes. It was a blast, and we are talking about re-launching it. It was a lot like Merrick's podcast in that it was just 2 guys talking about what they love with no concern for structure, pacing and all that nonsense. I prefer that format, really. Anyway, hope you can pull off doing the shows as a full time thing. It can be hard, but if you stick to it, the audience will find you. The Breaux show has so much potential because his passion is so obvious and so real, and he is pretty much fearless. You gotta be fearless.

  • Oct. 24, 2011, 9:13 p.m. CST


    by Kevin Bolinger

    You are correct! I am learning slowly to be fearless in front of the camera lol

  • Oct. 24, 2011, 10:41 p.m. CST


    by gotilk

    Sorry. I feel compelled to do that.

  • Oct. 25, 2011, 8:38 a.m. CST

    Thanks, gotilk

    by DoctorTom

    It's been fun doing the commentaries. I was surprised to see that Closing Time was (barely) in the list again - when I put in my batch of commentaries yesterday there were 30+ posts at least for the top ten list, and I didn't think anything would be dropping off. Still, it's amusing to see the old thread pop up again, and this time for having actual content in it again.

  • Oct. 25, 2011, 9:40 a.m. CST

    I am not pleased!

    by SeverianTheTorturer

    This is HornOrSilk For some reason, I have been "blacklisted." I emailed Merrick twice. I got no reply as to why. So, this is to say -- if I am not wanted here, goodbye. You Doctor Who fans, know I didn't leave because I wanted to, but I was pushed out and no one told me even why!

  • Oct. 25, 2011, 9:42 a.m. CST

    WHOever said I left?

    by Red43jes

  • Oct. 25, 2011, 9:51 a.m. CST

    Dalek Ironside

    by SeverianTheTorturer

    Needs to have a Michael Ironside figure to go with it.

  • Oct. 25, 2011, 10:09 a.m. CST

    Interesting note on Doctor Who Season 6 in Spain

    by DoctorTom

    Doctor Who News Page has the article: There's some interesting statements, not all of which can be chalked up to poor translation. In particular was this comment: The sixth season will mark the 50th anniversary of the first issue of Doctor Who, a series of worship that has entertained generations with a mixture of fantasy, science, history and adventure. So, does anybody have the first issue of Doctor Who from 50 years ago? Yes, the translation should probably have been episode, but still the 50 years part is still wrong. Then again, it's being shown on the Spanish Syfy channel, and we know that Syfy doesn't employ anybody who would have gotten a badge for mathematical excellence.

  • Oct. 25, 2011, 10:55 a.m. CST

    severianthetorturer/ hornorsilk

    by DoctorTom

    I'm sorry to hear about the blacklisting! I don't know of anything in this thread that would have resulted in that. Did you maybe venture into one of the non-Who threads and post something to piss off one of the other mods?

  • Oct. 25, 2011, 10:55 a.m. CST

    Anyway, horn

    by DoctorTom

    I hope you can get things resolved and get your regular handle reinstated?

  • Oct. 25, 2011, 11:39 a.m. CST


    by Merrick

    I have not blacklisted you. Perhaps another editor blacklisted you on some other thread? When checking our admin fields, I *DO* see that you have been blacklisted - although I can't ascertain why. I have re-instated you. Sometimes re-instating a blacklisting brings about snags - let me know if you have trouble posting. I did NOT receive any e-mails from you - just re-checked my Inbox, Spam, and Trash folders. In theory, you should be able to post now. Let me know if not!

  • Oct. 25, 2011, 1:28 p.m. CST

    I am still around.

    by Michael_Jacksons_Ghost

    Been busy with work, and doing art/comics. Hope everyone is doing good.

  • Oct. 25, 2011, 3:04 p.m. CST

    Thank you Merrick

    by HornOrSilk

    I have no idea what happened or why, and the emails I sent (using the email address on AIC) was asking such. It's weird. I wonder if there was a mistake somewhere by some moderator. Either way, thanks for freeing me from the ban!

  • Oct. 25, 2011, 3:04 p.m. CST


    by gotilk

    I am convinced one of the mods here (not merrick) doesn't pay as close attention as he could and makes a few knee-jerk decisions occasionally without paying 100% attention to what he is doing OR exactly what people are saying. I took it personally until I realized that it most likely wasn't personal. It was probably just an error.

  • Oct. 25, 2011, 3:11 p.m. CST

    Nice to see you back with the right name, hornorsilk!

    by DoctorTom

    I suspect that gotilk is probably right. It might also be that someone had a beef with you who was friends with another mod. I'm not sure we'll actually know. We'll have to see if whoever did it tries to ban you again and maybe Merrick can get the story behind it from whoever's doing the shenanigans. In any case, nice to have you posting again!

  • Oct. 25, 2011, 3:38 p.m. CST

    hoo hah!

    by DoctorTom

    I've gone through the first two Davi(d)son series for comments in the Closing Time Docback, and it has briefly resurfaced again in the top 10 list (up to #8), not bad for a thread that's a month old now. Eventually I'll get through the classic series and figure out if I want to continue it with nu-Who.

  • Oct. 25, 2011, 3:44 p.m. CST

    Thank you everyone

    by HornOrSilk

    Yes, it's hard to know what happened. Really, I think it might even be a computer glitch on AIC. I was logged in. And then I came and saw I had "timed out" and was logged out. And then I was banned.

  • Oct. 25, 2011, 3:52 p.m. CST


    by gotilk

    Same thing happened with moffatbabies. I commented in the Amy Winehouse thread in response to a very rude comment that I'd rather help a junkie than a *jerk* anytime. (I used another word that starts with A) Not ban-worthy words. Compassionate even. Then I came back a few minutes later, was logged off and when I tried to log in... no account. Could have had nothing at all to do with what I'd said. Could have been a glitch or an accidental wrong click.

  • Oct. 25, 2011, 7:52 p.m. CST

    SO GREAT that you got your account back Hornorsilk!

    by gotilk

    Welcome back! :) :) :)

  • Oct. 25, 2011, 7:58 p.m. CST

    What surprises me the most....

    by gotilk

    Is the near-stalking-like behaviour of some talkbackers in other talkbacks who just seem to keep accounts no matter what they say, even being near-threatening and VERY personally attacking Harry, his credibility. Stuff many would consider slanderous. And here they are with accounts still. And still there seems to be at least one mod (or glitch) who just appears to randomly get angry and ban people. Or ban them for really silly reasons. In some cases, it appears that this person maybe speaks English as a second language? And I'm not just being mean about that or sarcastic. It almost seems like the person cannot read properly and gets the wrong impression, OR misinterprets tone to the extreme. In any case, it's nice to know that it doesn't occur here often. And when it does, Merrick has our backs. We love you, Merrick. For this and EVERYTHING else you do here. Now I just wish we could get people to come back here during the week.

  • Oct. 25, 2011, 7:59 p.m. CST

    Merrick: Podcast question.

    by gotilk

    What day does your podcast come out? Is it before the Friday DocBack? I am looking forward to the next one now. You got me hooked. It's a lot of fun to listen to while working out on my bike or taking a walk.

  • Oct. 25, 2011, 8:01 p.m. CST

    LOL.... at myself...

    by gotilk

    I just read my post about a mod who may speak English as a second language and noticed my grammar was pretty awful. LOL

  • So do it!

  • Oct. 25, 2011, 8:13 p.m. CST

    Did anyone go check out that Doctor Who Cookbook?

    by gotilk

    We should put one together ourselves, as a free PDF. We could call it the DocBack Cookbook. Dalek Cookies, Sweet-Battered fishsticks to be dipped in custard (with the right batter, it could actually be good instead of just quirky), OOD Tendril salad (squid), Chiang Wings, Amy Pond Duck , and various other delectable delights. Anyone interested in submitting recipes? I'd be willing to design a Dalek Cookie Cutter with frosting pattern. Any other ideas?

  • Oct. 25, 2011, 8:20 p.m. CST


    by gotilk

    Be a part of turning it all around by submitting your best recipes to the DocBack cookbook. A silly idea whose time has come. Send your ideas to and be sure to give me what name you want the credit to be attributed to. Real names or DocBack names are fine. When I have collected a good number of recipes, I'll ask for images when possible and make the whole thing available free for download as a PDF, or any other e-book format desired, from either bittorrent or a free file storage and hosting service (or both).

  • Oct. 25, 2011, 8:23 p.m. CST

    Alright, I'm done posting with myself for today.

    by gotilk

    Hope to see others return today. Be well.

  • Oct. 25, 2011, 9:01 p.m. CST

    Myth Makers!

    by gotilk

    I had no idea this fiction anthology existed, let alone that it is celebrating its 20th anniversary ! Check it out if you have not already: It's a (monthly?) Doctor Who fan fiction anthology. I cannot wait to get my hands on it. Should make for some fun reading. And I'm sure many here would love to submit stories.

  • Oct. 25, 2011, 9:19 p.m. CST

    DWIN's review of The God Complex(and some notes)

    by gotilk

    The most interesting part of the review is this: (using * instead of quotes due to quotes bug) *Think about this: if the Minotaur is getting to Amy through her faith in the Doctor, and if that’s meant to be a metaphor for how depression destroys our will to live, then why does destroying that faith destroy the monster instead of Amy? There’s probably an argument to be made that, rather than destroying the thing that makes Amy’s life worth living, the Doctor is instead telling Amy to see that thing as the childish illusion it is, and to move on to something real. But considering that at least one of the character’s faiths was based in religion, this interpretation is getting into controversial territory that’s probably beyond the scope of this particular review. Not to mention that, taken to the logical extreme, it’s suggesting that we should stop watching this program and go do something better with our lives.* Link to review: My take on it... Taken to its logical conclusion, yes it does go into VERY controversial territory. But I think the idea of the logical extreme being that we should *stop watching this program and go do something better with our lives* is a little bit silly and very inaccurate. People do not base their entire lives around the concepts in Doctor Who. The same cannot be said for religion. The *logical extreme* actually applies more to religion itself and I was actually shocked that an episode of Doctor Who would go after religion to that level, even in the guise of religious tolerance. This episode, no matter how you slice it, was about the dangers of faith and how seeing those dangers can be a sign of maturity. Any other opinions? I know we've discussed this all in the past, but when I read that article about the episode, I found I was forced to go back and watch parts of the episode. I find I still have much to say about it, which speaks to the quality of the episode. At least when it comes to the writing. Side note: I see the hotel being referred to as an *80s Hotel* over and over and I still cannot put my finger on WHY it is seen that way. Is it because of the references in tone to The Shining? (featuring a hotel that was MUCH older than the 80s) What did I miss?

  • Oct. 25, 2011, 9:25 p.m. CST

    (continued) I left something important out.

    by gotilk

    I didn't mean to make any kind of blanket statement that faith is a sign of immaturity. Rather, I would suggest that our faith EVOLVES with maturity into hope, motivation and desire. In other words, I didn't want anyone to think that I was insulting their faith. I would like to make it clear that even those who do not consider themselves atheists or even agnostics would agree that many things they used to have pure faith in, they now have pure HOPE in. Does that make sense?

  • Oct. 25, 2011, 9:27 p.m. CST

    I guess I wasn't done after all.

    by gotilk

    I'll check back in later. I hope you are all having wonderful evenings. Be well.

  • Oct. 26, 2011, 2:07 a.m. CST


    by gotilk

    *wind blowing the sands on an open plain* *DISTANT crickets*

  • Oct. 26, 2011, 2:10 a.m. CST

    So can anyone tell me…

    by Cliff Shelton

    How does this work? It looks like I'm missing stuff - is there a podcast attached? Is there any rhyme or reason to the stories/docbacks chosen, or is it at random? Apologies in advance if I'm simply asking stupid newbie questions. I'm certainly not a newbie to any DW forums - was a moderator at the sorely-missed Restoration Team forum for years, in case any of you read that - and they are using my logo for their Twitter feed (yay!). In case anyone's interested the first story I saw was Pyramids of Mars waaaaay back in 1983 and have been hooked ever since! And if you think the DW Cookbook is loony, wait until you find the SEWING Patterns book!

  • Oct. 26, 2011, 2:24 a.m. CST


    by gotilk

    SEWING pattern book?? Gotta find/have that just for the sheer lunacy of it. Merrick may be able to explain the way he picks episodes when new ones are not being aired. I think he explained it, but I do not recall. Merrick does a podcast with his friend Ken Plume called Whotininnies, and it is great fun to listen to. Matter of fact, is pretty cool all over, really. or if that url gets all messed up: You know I STILL have not seen Pyramids of Mars, in spite of it having one of the best titles in the history of the show. The title kind of *ticks all my boxes* so to speak. I need to remedy that soon, since I've decided to skip over some of the other Doctors I was concentrating on and just stick to the Tom Baker years for a while. I'll be sure to post here when I have seen it finally. I have never heard of Restoration Team, so that makes ME the newbie in reality. :) Nice to see you here. Enjoy your stay.

  • Oct. 26, 2011, 2:57 a.m. CST

    Chiang Wings (crock pot version)

    by gotilk

    Sorry, I am still making myself laugh over that one. LOL 3 pounds chicken wings 1 cup soy sauce 1 cup brown sugar 1/2 cup ketchup 2 teaspoons fresh ginger, minced 2 cloves garlic, minced 1/4 cup dry sherry 1/2 cup hoisin sauce 1 tablespoon fresh wibbly - wobbly, timey - lime juice 3 tablespoons sesame seeds, toasted 1/4 cup green onions, thinly sliced Broil chicken wings 10 minutes on each side. Move the chicken wings to a crockpot or slow cooker. Add remaining ingredients, except the hoisin sauce, lime juice, sesame seeds and green onions. Stir thoroughly. Cover and cook on LOW 5-6* hours or on HIGH for 2-3 hours. Stir one time in the middle of cooking to baste the wings with sauce. Remove the wings from the crock and keep 1/4 cup of the juice in the slow cooker. Combine this juice with the hoisin sauce/lime juice. Drizzle over chicken wings. Before serving, sprinkle the wings with toasted sesame seeds and green onions and mix to coat evenly. *To save time, use TARDIS to go forward 5 to 6 hours into the future. While eating, call bystanders, friends or family *OPIUM-EATING INCOMPETENT YELLOW FOOLS!!!!!* (results may vary, DocBack Cookbook not responsible for the beating of your life if anyone around happens to be Asian)

  • Oct. 26, 2011, 8:17 a.m. CST

    My entry for a Doctor Who cookbook

    by HornOrSilk

    Fried Seaweed....

  • Oct. 26, 2011, 8:53 a.m. CST

    Gotilk, you haven't seen Pyramids of Mars?

    by DoctorTom

    You need to rectify that situation, sharpish. It's another highlight of the Hinchcliffe/ Holmes era. Plus, you get to see Sarah Jane shoot a rifle! All of the talk about female empowerment from the Letts/Dicks production team for Sarah Jane, but did you have THEM showing Sarah shooting a rifle? Nope. They'd just have some butch UNIT chappie show up to do the shooting instead. No, now they just treat the thing as matter of fact for her shooting a gun. This was the start; after this you'll get companions using knives and Janis thorns, and who knows, you might even eventually end up with a juvenile delinquent companion who likes blowing things up with explosives. Hmmm, I should go back to the other thread and add that as an addendum to my comments on Pyramids of Mars.

  • Oct. 26, 2011, 9:02 a.m. CST

    My entry for a Doctor Who cookbook

    by DoctorTom

    Jelly Babies 1) Go to the shop (or, if in the US and a shop doesn't carry them, go online to Amazon or a specialty shop selling them - some of the Doctor Who shops carry them) 2) Purchase the amount of jelly babies desired 3) Consume them While we're on the subject of jelly babies, I need to ask the UK contingent about which manufacturers make good jelly babies and which ones should be avoided. Looking on the US Amazon site I see Bassetts Jelly Babies being offered (which I figure are the standard), but I also see Gustaf's Jelly Babies and Haribo Jelly Babies. Are there any real differences? (I know when you get into things like gummy cola bottles, there's a vast difference between Haribo and Trolli, I didn't know if you also see this with jelly babies).

  • Oct. 26, 2011, 9:08 a.m. CST

    Hah, Doctor Who infests the search function at the Amazon website!

    by DoctorTom

    On the US Amazon website, search the site for jelly babies, and the eighth entry down (muscling its way above other jelly baby entries) was for Jammie Dodgers! We definitely have the Eleventh Doctor influencing the search results!

  • Oct. 26, 2011, 9:29 a.m. CST

    Jammie Dodgers

    by HornOrSilk

    The new Jelly Babies. Makes sense.

  • Oct. 26, 2011, 9:32 a.m. CST

    Pyramids of Mars

    by HornOrSilk

    Is great until the final episode, imo. I love it for its atmosphere, but I despise that final episode for some reason.

  • Oct. 26, 2011, 10:06 a.m. CST

    fair enough, horn

    by DoctorTom

    The challenges in the actual Pyramids on Mars should have been a little more challenging, but then again for the 1970's knowledge of the 2nd puzzle probably wasn't common, and the first puzzle does seem like an appropriate one. Of course, it's amusing to picture some other races going into the Pyramids to solve the puzzles. Cybermen probably wouldn't have too many problems solving the puzzles, and Daleks would just solve each problem with EX-TER-MI-NATE! and a gun blast. I didn't have a problem with the very end of the show, if there was any it was just the part on Mars itself.

  • Oct. 26, 2011, 12:55 p.m. CST

    Chili Con Rani

    by Mister Vertue

    Don't have a recipe, so feel free to post your own. Just make sure it has lots of cheese though (although I know Chili Con Carne doesn't really have cheese in it).

  • Oct. 26, 2011, 2:41 p.m. CST


    by Merrick

    ** is there a podcast attached? ** The podcast is something I work on with my friend Ken Plume on a weekly basis. 'Tis not an official extension of these Docbacks, but I post links to them on the Docbacks as many of the same issues we discuss here are expanded upon / approached in different ways on the podcast. There's a link to the current installment at the top of this article - as well as a link to last week's Docback (which introduced the podcast and contains links to fetch Part 1 as well). ** Is there any rhyme or reason to the stories/docbacks chosen, or is it at random? ** In general... I'm making my way through every episode of vintage/"classic"/"old" DOCTOR WHO, from the beginning...and writing them up as I go. I'm watching them in sequence. I sometimes deviate from this sequence when new DVDs are issued - which are not being released chronologically. So, we might have four straight weeks of "classic" WHO - then detour to a current vid release (which could represent an episode from any point in the last forty-something years of DW) - before returning to the original "watching them in order" sequence. When the current series (Matt Smith/Moffat/etc.) is airing new installments, our Friday Docbacks are devoted to those episodes. The next "new WHO" Docback will be opened on December 23, to accommodate the airing of the DOCTOR WHO Christmas Special on December 25. After that, we'll return to the regular "watching the old shows more or less in sequence" chronology until Season/Series 7 starts...whenever...unless there's another new WHO special broadcast before then.

  • Oct. 26, 2011, 2:57 p.m. CST

    gotilk re: podcast and docbacks

    by Merrick

    Re: podcast. THANK YOU!! So glad you're enjoying them! So far, our unofficial pattern seems to be geared towards posting 'tween late Wed and late Thurs evenings. Not sure how that's going to happen this week given our mutual schedules at the moment, but I'd say that'll likely be a good rule of thumb. Keep an eye on Ken's twitter stream (@KenPlume) - he announces as new installments are uploading. I suck at Twitter, so my stream would not be terribly helpful in such matters :-( Re: Docbacks... ** We love you, Merrick. For this and EVERYTHING else you do here.** Thank you so much! I genuinely make every effort to 'get it right' as I truly want this to work. As long as we all keep our sights on the 'bigger picture' of what we're trying to achieve here...and accept that there will invariably be a few hiccups along the way...I firmly feel we can keep this going indefinitely.

  • Oct. 26, 2011, 5:07 p.m. CST

    Pyramids on Mars

    by Greg

    Noticed this is still up on Netflix. Thanks to the mostly positive comments here I think I'll have to try to squeeze it in tonight or tomorrow.

  • Oct. 26, 2011, 8:19 p.m. CST

    I will begin watching Pyramids of Mars this evening!

    by gotilk


  • Oct. 26, 2011, 9:23 p.m. CST


    by Greg

    My feelings are kind of in the middle on this one (Pyramids of Mars). I didn't really love it or hate it. After about five minutes I realized this was the one that a tried watching a few years back that soured me on older Doctor Who, but I decided to finish watching it anyway. I enjoyed it quite a bit more this time than before, but that just means I didn't hate it this time. While I was bored with it before, this time only sections were dull for me and I was at least able to pick up on things I didn't the first go round. The good: the Egyptian cultist/ Set servant in the beginning. I liked his fanaticism and organ playing, and at least he had a gun so he came off more threatening than the robots/mummys. The possessed professor was creepy and menacing, and I liked the whole deal with his brother. Unlike my first viewing, I bought Set as a danger and massive threat. For the bad, the robots/mummys. I still couldn't take them seriously at all. I get they were supposed to have massive strength, but they moved so slowly and awkwardly, I thought even the old man at the beginning should have been able to run around them in circles, even with a bullet in him. Also, the story did feel like it ground to a halt a couple of times. Lastly I didn't care much for the ending. I did like the idea of the traps in Set's prison on Mars even if it felt like they were too easy or could have been expanded upon. Again, as someone with as yet only a handful of older Doctor Who I've watched, I found this one okay, probably my less favorite of I've watched besides the Three Doctors but still not without merits.

  • Oct. 26, 2011, 9:25 p.m. CST

    I apologize for my spelling and grammer

    by Greg

    I tried to adjust some of those errors but my phone went ahead and posted anyway. Hopefully my post still makes some sense.

  • Oct. 27, 2011, 2:06 a.m. CST


    by gotilk

    Happens to the best of us. My wireless keyboard occasionally just skips letters I type.

  • Oct. 27, 2011, 2:08 a.m. CST

    and whoever made it so the DocBack remains in the top stories

    by gotilk

    for the whole week? Awesome. Thanks.

  • Oct. 27, 2011, 5:01 a.m. CST


    by HornOrSilk

    Yes, the ending of Pyramids of Mars is to me the problem. I love the opening of it (though it might not be for everyone; I am a fan of Hammer Horror, so it's nice for me!) -- of course, I understand what they wanted to do with it, and appreciate it, but just that ending always makes me cringe.

  • Oct. 27, 2011, 5:04 a.m. CST

    The New Scarifyers Story Has a Talons Nod

    by HornOrSilk

    I won't ruin it for you though... but the nod is there...

  • Oct. 27, 2011, 8:45 a.m. CST


    by sam jacksons wig only complaint was that Sutekh was offed far too easily for being the big bad. You kinds wanted him to be a little more of a foe, especially from the decoded signal, which made him sound uber bad!!! Apart from that, it wasn't at all bad.

  • Oct. 27, 2011, 10:02 a.m. CST


    by HornOrSilk

    Which goes along with the problem I have - the final episode. Of course, I think it is because the Hand of Omega is beneath him, he is really stuck!

  • Oct. 27, 2011, 12:35 p.m. CST

    Horn- yeah.....

    by sam jacksons wig

    Great build up, and then a touch anti-climatical "stangulation by robot" at the very end. There have been worse episodes, though!!! ;)) ** cough ** Meglos ** cough ** I hope that you are very well my friend. Sorry I haven't been around much. Lots to do, sickness, fall vacation and a small case of maudlin which I felt I would infect the boards with if I posted. Best to stay away until now when I'm ready to post again!!!! Some great new people here!!! Looking forward to getting to know them!!! Speak soon!!!!

  • Oct. 27, 2011, 1:23 p.m. CST

    The Doctor is a victim of coicumstance, nyuk nyuk nyuk

    by DoctorTom

    They've posted a picture of the people in the upcoming Three Stooges movie. Curly is being played by Will Sasso. He had previously played the orderly in the Paul McGann TV movie. There's no truth to the rumor that Matt Smith will appear as a fake Shemp in the movie.

  • Oct. 27, 2011, 1:27 p.m. CST

    Sam! Hope you are doing okay

    by DoctorTom

    with all the talk of sickness and such. You're right, there are far worse episodes than Pyramids of Mars (Underworld). Still, even bad Tom Baker like Meglos doesn't want to sap your will to live quite the way The Twin Dilemma or Timelash do.

  • Oct. 27, 2011, 1:29 p.m. CST

    Question on the new Abnett Who book

    by DoctorTom

    The Silent Stars Go By - has anybody read this yet? I'm curious to hear what the reaction is. (It hasn't shown up in the States yet.) I know that the Moorcock book ended up him using his standard Moorcock Universe stuff and chiselling the original names off a couple of characters, then writing The Doctor and Amy in their places using magic marker.

  • Oct. 27, 2011, 3:29 p.m. CST


    by HornOrSilk

    I actually enjoy Meglos. When I go knowing it is not serious, and it has Jacqueline Hill in it, and it has a time loop, I just have fun with it. I'm not bored with it. There are far worse stories out there... and I like Pyramids of Mars, and yes, it is better than Meglos, but, come on, it's not like it is... The Twin Dilemma. And yes, I understand about posting/not posting; if you can, post once comment a week -- just to keep the discussion on the story going - that would be great, but I understand if you don't. Just your presence is missed when not here!

  • Oct. 27, 2011, 3:30 p.m. CST

    DoctorTom - I've not read the Abnett book

    by HornOrSilk

    But I've not read his works, in general. Moorcock was a favorite of mine in my teen years, so I had to read his novel (which I liked, unlike others).

  • Oct. 27, 2011, 3:31 p.m. CST

    Fake Shemp?

    by HornOrSilk


  • Oct. 27, 2011, 3:46 p.m. CST

    heh, that was my thought to, hornorsilk

    by DoctorTom

    on the Fake Shemp bit.

  • Oct. 27, 2011, 4:41 p.m. CST

    A sequel/prequel to Pyramids would work with the Eleventh Doctor

    by DougMcKenzie

    I guess it is a sequel for the doctor but a prequel for Sutekh. Have the doctor go back to Ancient Egypt and have him being involved in the initial imprisonment of Sutekh. Because of the regeneration, Sutekh in 1911 would not know that the fourth doctor is the same man at a different point in his life.

  • The rumor that Matt Smith was leaving "Doctor Who" after next year has crushed by Matt Smith himself!! But based on a new interview promoting the Doctor Who Series Six DVD set, Smith says, where the Doctor is concerned, he's in it for the long haul. So, we can all relax now.

  • I left out the word, "been" and, put in the word "But" and didn't have to, my usual post.

  • What rumor?

  • "The Talons Of Weng-Chiang", one of my favorites, along with "Pyramids of Mars". And, maybe, I need to rewatch "Meglos", I don't remember it being that bad.

  • Oct. 27, 2011, 8:39 p.m. CST


    by The Transformed Man

    Do you have a link for the Matt Smith interview? I'm having an email thing about this. I'll ask Google in the meantime.

  • Oct. 27, 2011, 10:42 p.m. CST


    by The Transformed Man


  • Oct. 28, 2011, 12:54 a.m. CST

    The Moorcock book (Coming of the Terraphiles?)

    by gotilk

    I spotted it at the store when I was purchasing an IDE to USB adapter thingee. Considered picking it up. Loved the cover. Anyone familiar with it? Does it really seem that sloppy? As if he'd written one of his typical stories and just tacked the Doctor and Amy on? That would be unfortunate.

  • Oct. 28, 2011, 12:55 a.m. CST


    by gotilk

    May you have thousands more , happy and healthy. (hey he's young enough to be one of the first semi-immortals, right?)

  • Oct. 28, 2011, 12:56 a.m. CST


    by gotilk

    That is very good news indeed!! *whew*

  • Oct. 28, 2011, 1:05 a.m. CST

    I am about 13 minutes into The Pyramids Of Mars!! FACT!!

    by gotilk

    (had to pause for some menial duties) I'm very happy with it so far. As always the switches between exterior film and interior video are jarring. But to complain about that... would be a little silly, wouldn't it? I am surprised at how similar some of the 16mm (super16?) footage looks in grain and color to my old super8 footage from the olden times. But enough about the technicalities. What I love so far... The Doctor: Egyptian, eh? Is this where he keeps his relatives? Just the look on his face when he says that is priceless. A silly, cheap joke made absolutely hilarious by his genius delivery. I imagine this happens often during the Tom Baker years. I'm really loving Tom Baker in the role again. You see, like many others, I still kind of consider him *my doctor* because his performance was my first exposure to Doctor Who, waaaay, waaaaay back when the episodes first aired on PBS in the states. These episodes are like a re-discovery. I am remembering and recognizing details, mannerisms and quirks that I must have really loved back then. I was very, very young and my memories of that time have faded, unfortunately. I will get back to the story now.

  • Oct. 28, 2011, 1:11 a.m. CST

    Elisabeth Sladen

    by gotilk

    She was just so, so gorgeous. And really gave a great performance as Sarah Jane Smith. It's hard to watch at times, for now, since her passing. But wow... just so adorable. I look forward to watching every single appearance of her in the Doctor Who universe. She will be, and is, so missed.

  • Oct. 28, 2011, 1:34 a.m. CST

    See you all in the next DocBack!

    by gotilk

    I think that's it for me this evening. I'm watching Pyramids of Mars while I recover an old hard disk. Fun stuff. Love you all, be well. See you tomorrow, unless I have insomnia.

  • Oct. 28, 2011, 4:01 a.m. CST

    Scarman is one creepy looking fellow.

    by gotilk

    Yes, still awake. Yes, still watching and enjoying Pyramids of Mars. Slowly, but yes. In total, it is only 1 hr and 39 minutes. Being 4 parts, I assumed it would be 2 hrs at the least. Back to it...

  • The ending was very weak. But it didn't ruin the fun of it. Great moments with SJ and The Doctor. The supporting cast was really good. And I found the dialogue to be better than average. Loved it. Now I am considering The Android Invasion next. Is that a good choice? Oh and good morning DocBack!

  • Oct. 28, 2011, 9:19 a.m. CST

    Gotilk - Moorcock novel

    by DoctorTom

    Haven't read it yet myself, but several people I'll believe read it and said that it read like a novel Moorcock wrote for his universe, and that the Doctor felt shoehorned in. Looking at the blurb put out for the book, there's a couple of key phrases that would support the view of Moorcock using his own universe: * And the venue for the grand finals of the competition to win the fabled Arrow of Law (Moorcock is always using the Law vs. Chaos, and has the symbol for Law as a one arrow) *Reality is collapsing, ships are disappearing, and Captain Cornelius and his pirates are looking for easy pickings (Moorock had 4 novels with the character Jerry Cornelius, and uses variations on the name at other times - Jhary-a-Conel as a companion to Corum and (at one time) Hawkmoon)

  • The link I have is not to the interview, just the part of the interview where Smith says he'll be playing the Doctor for a long time.

  • Oct. 28, 2011, 11:27 a.m. CST

    doctortom thanks.

    by gotilk

    That's unfortunate. Well, maybe there's an audiobook version. I'd still like to check it out, but I don't think I'm going to buy the actual book now.

  • Oct. 28, 2011, 11:34 a.m. CST

    Inspector Spacetime made another appearance on Community

    by gotilk

    This time in the form of Abed's Halloween costume.

  • Oct. 28, 2011, 1:23 p.m. CST

    There is an audiobook out for it, gotilk

    by DoctorTom

    I think I have it secreted somewhere in a safe place in my house, so safe that I can't remember where it is....

  • Oct. 28, 2011, 7:19 p.m. CST

    Android Invasion

    by HornOrSilk

    It's ok, nothing great, nothing special, but nothing really bad either. Some interesting things in it -- but it also has several large plot holes.

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