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Merrick Sees And Loves The First Two Episodes of DOCTOR WHO Season/Series 6!! + READER REACTION To Tonight's Premiere!!


UPDATE - 12:00 PM CST USA  / 6:00 PM UK   04/23/2011








Merrick once more...


Good Morning everyone...

While my broad-stroke critique/mini-review of the episodes contains very little SPOILERy information, we're looking forward to WHOvians near and far conversing about tonight's premiere via the Talkback below.  

Accordingly, I'd expect a significant amount of SPOILAGE to start rolling in 'round late morning/early afternoon  U.S. time (today, Saturday April 23) -  which is natural as the debut will broadcast in the U.K. a number of hours before it appears here in the U.S. on BBC America.  

So, as far as this Talkback goes...

U.K. readers?  As soon as the show begins, have at it!  

Readers from U.S. and other territories?  If you wanna stay virginal regarding the new Season/Series premiere of DOCTOR WHO until you've seen it for may wish to tread very carefully herein after mid-morning U.S. time, as SPOILERS may well be afoot and we won't be doing anything to discourage them after the premiere hits in the U.K.

So there you have it.  Enjoy the show...




Merrick here...

....with a few random  thoughts on "The Impossible Astronaut" and "Day of the Moon", the two part premiere of DOCTOR WHO's newest Season/Series which debuts on BBC (UK) and BBC America tomorrow, April 23.

I'll make every effort to avoid SPOILERS here, and as such it's nearly impossible to evaluate these episodes to any substantive degree. If you're looking for a ton of detail on these particular shows, check back with AICN in coming days - and/or hopefully Talkbacks for this little article will morph into readers' assessments of the new episodes as they air. 

Until then, a few fleeting details may well have crept into this piece out of necessity, but there's nothing ruinous here, I assure you. 

This two part installment  opens (at least) two months (Amy / Rory time) after the adventures of THE BIG BANG and THE PANDORICA OPENS - the time-spanning, mind-bending, universe upheaving saga which brought last Season/Series to a dazzling, 'WTF?' close.  The delivery of a number of TARDIS-blue invitations draws characters together to witness a confounding, shocking, and deeply personal event -  which sets not only this two parter into motion, but clearly portends the 'game changing' heaviness WHO overlord Steven Moffat has been teasing for some time. 

From very early on, there's a sense of unnerving fate hanging over Matt Smith's Doctor, a tense and tragically flavored uncertainty looming over The Doctor and River Song (The Doctor's long-time antagonist...or is she his love?...or is she him?...or is she...?)  Amy and Rory seem to be back on their seesaw here, despite the upbeat nature of their reunion last year.  Indeed, even the entire human race takes a kick in the balls...again...and this time the crisis nicely evokes a beloved John Carpenter genre favorite.   

In short, there's clearly going to be a great deal happening this Season/Series - both conceptually and in terms of character. These introductory installments hint that the occasional raw, emotional charge DOCTOR WHO has brilliantly utilized in targeted story arcs and specific episodes since its 2005 return may now be amplified and sustained over the coming months.  We might be in for a helluva ride here, and quite possibly a mighty punch in the gut. 

All returning cast members are at the top of their game, each consistently nailing that potentially elusive mixture of deep affection and undying dysfunctionality.  There's never a moment were you doubt these people are the characters they're presenting to us - or that they're interacting in any way which isn't genuine.  No small accomplishment in this genre, or in TV and film in general.  Such matters on WHO delightfully, brilliantly...easy and natural. 

Mark Sheppard (Romo Lampkin from BATTLESTAR GALACTICA - you may've also seen him in DOLLHOUSE, SUPERNATURAL, and WAREHOUSE 13) guests as Canton Everett Delaware III, a dismissed FBI agent dragged back into the fold to investigate haunting and mysterious phone calls being received by Richard Nixon (teaser HERE).  Not surprisingly, he immediately becomes intertwined with our Doctor and his companions - he's a great presence on this show and I hope we see more of him on DW in the future.  Composer Murray Gold is back as well - his soaring and passionate score for last season/series ranking high amongst the best TV music you'll ever hear.  His score for these two installments re-use many established themes from Season/Series 5, but also incorporates a few fresh movements and variations if you listen carefully.  Another great CD in the making I should think.  

At times, "The Impossible Astronaut" - while very much acting as a set-up for ideas that will arc through this Season/Series - also seems to be serving as a Cliff's Notes re-introduction to these characters and the overall concept they inhabit.  I'm assuming this is intended to prime new viewers, or refresh the memories of causal observers.  Either way, and despite this, "Impossible Astronaut" is considerably spunkier than its successor, "Day of the Moon" - which is more somber in tone, delves more deeply into the emotions of these people, and nicely illustrates the profundity of the circumstances with which they're grappling.  While the ep is generally heavier in vibe, River Song does have what is perhaps her best action/smart-ass sequence to date.  You'll know it when you'll see it.  It's a little bit Indy Jones, and a lot of fun.

So, Season/Series 6 seems off to an excellent start, and promises to offer a flavor of DOCTOR (that sounds wrong) unlike any we've experienced before (that does too).  And I hope it holds course.  DOCTOR WHO, on the whole, is some of the most daring storytelling on television at the moment.  In terms of how tales are approached, the narrative chances taken with both concept and structure, the curve-balls The Powers That Be are willing to throw at the people populating these stories, the emotional and comedic truths Moffat and Co. mine from often ludicrous ideas or circumstance, and their pervasive willingness to push decades-old conceits beyond expected limitations. 

I'm so glad to have The Doctor back, and can't wait to see where it goes from here. 

Side note:  BBC America will air the entirety of last season/series- which introduced this current cast and Matt Smith as The Doctor - starting early tomorrow morning.  This is leading into Season/Series 6's debut tomorrow night, and includes the freaky CHRISTMAS CAROL (holiday special) guest starring Michael Gambon (Dumbledore) and the super-hot Katherine Jenkins.  If you haven't been watching DW but have  been thinking about jumping in, this may be a good time.  Or, if you wanna test the waters more carefully before committing, within the next few weeks I'll be posting the list of eps which got me hooked on the show - which I'm sure will spark lively debate amongst Talkbackers. 


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  • April 22, 2011, 1:33 p.m. CST

    You reversed it...

    by Celicynd

    It's Series 6, or season 32.

  • April 22, 2011, 1:35 p.m. CST

    Yeah, what celicynd said. Should be a great year!

    by Michael_Jacksons_Ghost

  • April 22, 2011, 1:43 p.m. CST

    UK Viewers will see it about 9 hours before America.

    by V'Shael

    So beware the spoilers that are bound to flood the talkbacks. I'll say this... if you're the sort of person who LOVES spoilers, go ahead and ruin the show for yourself if you must. If you are normally weak willed about spoilers, I promise you these two episodes you do NOT want to spoil. The last time there were twists this big, this unexpected, and this surprising (because I don't think anyone guessed at this in advance) it was Adama being shot at the end of Season 1. It was the "We've got to go back!" ending of Lost. It was Delenns reappearance at the head of the Minbari fleet in Severed Dreams. Basically, it was BIG, is what I'm trying to get across here.

  • April 22, 2011, 2 p.m. CST

    "We got to go back" was when the show ended.

    by Michael_Jacksons_Ghost

    The seasons after that destroyed the greatness of the first three.

  • April 22, 2011, 2:27 p.m. CST

    echoing V'Shael- spoilers abound.

    by sam jacksons wig

    I have been the source for a few of them (some good, some not so...) but as of right now on this TB I will not be ruining things for anyone. However, I feel like that little kid just BURSTING to scream a deep dark secret he knows. Those of you posting on this TB please have the decency to put a large SPOILERS warning in your subject out of courtesy, even for the smallest thing, because as we are about to find out there IS no smallest thing in the Who universe. To all my fellow DocBackers..... enjoy and I will see you all on the flip side. SJW.

  • April 22, 2011, 2:27 p.m. CST


    by theGoldbergV

    Wow you've just cited some big twists there. I will remain un-spoiled. Although one of the big developments hinted at in other reviews (not here mind) concerning a key character seems pretty obvious by process of elimination

  • April 22, 2011, 2:32 p.m. CST

    best sci fi on tv right now by a long shot

    by mr. smith

    no disrespect to Fringe, but holy cow this is good right now. can't wait.

  • April 22, 2011, 2:36 p.m. CST

    Didn't read it.

    by Smashing

    Never in my life have I gone into a year of serialized television so spoiler free, I don't know how I've managed it. I am very excited for tomorrow, those idiots over on the DW boards on the IMDb have tried to ruin my buzz for 2 weeks but I've stayed steady and true and spoiler free, the only other show I've ever done this for was season 3 of Enterprise and that was because they show was so bad I didn't care, unlike Who which I love and am gladdened (!) to have back.

  • April 22, 2011, 2:56 p.m. CST

    MERRICK > > > HERC


    The guy writes his own reviews instead of just copy and pasting a load from different websites. That puts him one up on Herc already. And he mentioned Supernatural. Any chance you could take over the tv section, Merrick?

  • April 22, 2011, 2:59 p.m. CST

    Merrick! I'm VERY excited!

    by Eternal Optimist

    That was a great review and I'm very, very... excited about the return of DOCTOR WHO. This is definitely... the best science fiction show on television at the moment! I LOVE Eleven, and I also love Rory and Amy. They are a... great team! When it comes to great tv, there is nobody... WHO... does it better than the Mighty Moff!

  • April 22, 2011, 3:03 p.m. CST

    Delicious treats to come...

    by Mister Vertue

    Isn't it exciting? We're nearly there! The first three minutes of episode 1 and the final minute of episode 2 are amongst my favourite minutes of Doctor Who ever! And I must say, although the BBC has some lovely folks who work hard to keep the show going every year, sadly there are not-so-nice people who have decided to make you all wait an entire week for episode 2. Trust me when I say that certain people fought tooth and nail to get episode 2 aired the following, but alas, it twas not to be. I can't wait to hear everyone asking 'Just who *is* that little girl?' Your wee brains may very well explode with excitement before you ever get the chance to find out.

  • April 22, 2011, 3:07 p.m. CST

    What Merrick is essentially saying is that his witnessing was kind of astonishing.


    That's an abridged review for those who don't have time to read the full article.

  • April 22, 2011, 3:22 p.m. CST

    Astonishing is indeed the word

    by Mister Vertue

    May I be bold enough to say that this series as a whole will shake you all up in ways that I don't think anyone will be expecting? You will leave the ghost train a different person from the one who entered it. We're not playing fairy tales this series...

  • April 22, 2011, 3:51 p.m. CST

    How come so many people here are talking like they've seen the entire series already?


    Is this talkback frequented by a bunch of BBC employees or something?

  • April 22, 2011, 4:03 p.m. CST

    Oh, nobody has seen the entire series yet

    by Mister Vertue

    And anyone who claims they have is lying. It's not even finished filming yet! And BBC employees are way too busy to be frequenting a site like this (nose grows)

  • April 22, 2011, 4:51 p.m. CST

    richard_gere- Oh, to have ACTUALLY seen it all!!!

    by sam jacksons wig

    As I have said in many a TB, spoilers from Sam Jacksons Wig must be taken with that pinch of white salty stuff (sounded MUCHO wrong there...) However, I do believe that I have hit the nail on the head quite a few times. Going on past form no doubt the Moff will spank us on the ass and send us home with a chiding for daring to guess what it's all about. But to have actually seen it? Anyone who says that (who is not a bona fide BBC executive, and I doubt they have seen it all) is talking purest drivvel. One thing is for fucking sure, it's gonna be a blast finding out!

  • April 22, 2011, 4:54 p.m. CST

    eternaloptimist- hahahahahaha!!!

    by sam jacksons wig

    Reading your post with all of the pauses in it, in my head I did it in the style of Adam West as Batman! Fucking hilarious!

  • April 22, 2011, 5:21 p.m. CST

    Mr. Jackson's Wig!

    by Eternal Optimist

    I AM very, very excited though! This is truly the television event of...the year! Yay for new Doctor Who!!!

  • April 22, 2011, 5:33 p.m. CST

    Will BBC America show the Lis Sladen Tribuite?

    by fbarich

    Hopefully, we will get his as well. It's a 15 minute short that is being shown after the episode ends in the UK. If not hopefully You-Tube

  • April 22, 2011, 5:37 p.m. CST

    At the risk of sounding like Media Messiah, I think some

    by V'Shael

    BBC employees could indeed be present. Though the little girl question could be asked by anyone who delved into available spoilers out there, and the user name in question does at least indicate a not-quite-stalker level familiarity with Steven Moffats biography... I'd just say, if this talkbacker was who he's apparently hinting that he is, I'd be stunned and just a little pissed off. (Get back to work, etc.)

  • April 22, 2011, 5:41 p.m. CST

    I am excited

    by maelstrom_ZERO

    A couple weeks ago, I saw that Dr. Who trailer set to the "Tristan-Two Steps from Hell" music, and I immediately felt pretty compelled to watch all 5 seasons of Dr. Who. It was that epic of a trailer. And honestly, after the first 2.5 seasons, I have to say that it's a pretty entertaining show. There are moments of completely ruinous cheesiness--the absorbing monster that target the group of Doctor fanatics comes immediately to mind--there are moments of absolute, sheer awesomeness. The Lady in the Fireplace in S2 was so, so good--time traveling wackiness at its best, culminating in a pretty sombre ending. And the Empty Child 2-parter in S1 was very creepy and had some of the best one-liners in the series regarding bananas. Otherwise it seems like the show suffers from really inconsistent quality--something to do with switching writers all the time, I guess. But yeah. When Dr. Who is good, it's REALLY good. I just wish it was really good all the time. And it's still hard getting used to Tennant after 1 season of Eccleston. For some reason, I have a hard time buying Tennant's acting whenever he's angry. It just feels. . .forced and unnatural. Whenever Eccleston raged, it was plain terrifying and intimidating--like when he was facing off with the Dalek in that cocky American's personal alien museum.

  • April 22, 2011, 5:46 p.m. CST

    @Maelstrom_Zero - That inconsistent writing

    by V'Shael

    was our main bugbear with those early seasons. RTD was the show runner, but had a poor grasp of SciFi at best. The episodes you cite, like Fireplace, and Empty Child, were written by Steven Moffat. He is generally accepted as having written the best episodes. And he's now the show-runner. Good times....

  • April 22, 2011, 5:49 p.m. CST

    Having over the last year watched WHO from the VERY beginning

    by Six Demon Bag

    I can happily say that I'm glad to finally be caught up to the current season. 11 docs and dozens of companions later and I am pumped! Didn't think I'd make it to be honest

  • April 22, 2011, 6:47 p.m. CST

    Docbacker Of The Day Award: Six Demon Bag


    You watched all eleven doctors over the last year? You, sir, are a champion amongst men.

  • April 22, 2011, 6:50 p.m. CST

    Just think though, V'shael: If you HAD seen it all


    We'd all hate you. Every time you showed up in a Docback with some cryptic message like "Wait until you guys find out what's in the box!" or "Shocking news about River, right? Wait until you see what she does in two episodes time!", we'd all say "FUCK YOU, V'SHAEL." And then you'd be sad and lonely.

  • April 22, 2011, 7:13 p.m. CST

    "It's your kids Marty...something's got to be done about your kids!"

    by Cap'n Jack

  • Manofvertue? wee brains? that's a man talking with a Scot's accent that is... hmmm.

  • April 22, 2011, 8:37 p.m. CST

    Well... if the Grand Moff is indeed reading this...

    by Seph_J

    ...and he could well be..... then I just want to say THANK YOU. Really mate, thank you very, very much.

  • April 22, 2011, 10:20 p.m. CST

    Mark Sheppard

    by Manos

    Anyone else think he could be a good doctor. A little older, a little more might be a welcome change.

  • April 22, 2011, 11:37 p.m. CST

    Thank goodness for torrents...

    by MoffatBabies

    and not for the reasons you might assume. You see, both Cumfinity, or crapcast or whatever they call it now AND DirecTV have BBC America in SD. As far as I can tell, no HD version for either provider. I'll have to call and check to see if DirecTV has it in another package. I have both Infinity and DirecTV in my household, but must STILL turn to torrents in order to watch Who as it should be watched. In HD. What's the deal with that? Craptastic SyFy is in HD on both. What year is this? 2009??! Then again, I personally know people who have 2000 dollar TVs that they have NO HD SOURCE hooked up to. I guess a lot of people just have horrible eyesight. Even in SD though , it has been nice to see them running a marathon of Who today. Really nice. And speaking of lots of running, I need to get back to it now. Before I had dinner, Waters of Mars was on.

  • April 22, 2011, 11:37 p.m. CST

    and yes, this was the longest week ever

    by MoffatBabies


  • April 22, 2011, 11:44 p.m. CST

    Nice spoiler-free review, too.

    by MoffatBabies

    Great job. I'm dying to see this.

  • April 22, 2011, 11:50 p.m. CST

    and yes

    by MoffatBabies

    even though it's in SD, I'll be sure both tuners are watching Who live AND recording it. If this type of thing counts now in ratings, be sure your view counts, too.

  • April 23, 2011, 12:39 a.m. CST


    by MoffatBabies

    I feel like a kid who cannot go to sleep because he's going to Disneyland in the morning.

  • April 23, 2011, 2:19 a.m. CST

    So what's the general consensus of S5?

    by maelstrom_ZERO

    With the 11th doctor? Is the season overall that much better since Moffat is the new showrunner?

  • April 23, 2011, 2:22 a.m. CST

    River Song being in a

    by tomdolan04

    smart ass sequence - oh goodie <p> Going into this series with a not a good feeling. Last year I got more entertainment in hearing peoples theories of what was going to happen - and actually did happen. Most of Series 5 was OK, but the Big Bang and The Pandorica Opens was some of the laziest 'cheat' writing - all over the place. 'Timey Wimey' logic is fine but it basically shat all over any kind of dramatic tension. <p> Matt Smith is excellent, Karen Gillan is hot but has only two facial expressions (bunny in head-lights stare - you know the one I mean) and Rory - good but c'mon. He's a gopher. They pretty much killed him three times last season and kept bringing him back. Thats the problem the show currently has. Who cares when they threaten death - they'll throw timey wimey bollocks at the screen and bring him back next ep. Where is the power and subtlety of Moffats RTD era eps? <p> Despite all that I like the show - just venting a bit of disappointment and apprehension since all the ingredients should be there

  • April 23, 2011, 2:49 a.m. CST

    maelstrom- S5?

    by sam jacksons wig

    Okay a quic k recap of my thoughts in a much diluted version (others who frequent here may give you masses of info!) S5-on the whole a great intro to the new protagonists. some clunkers (beast below, victory of the daleks, cold blood, hungry earth) some middle of the road (vampires of venice, the lodger, the pandorica opens, the big bang- yes, I put them here!) and some fucking blinders (Amys choice, vincent and the doctor, time of angels, flesh and stone). Smith is likely to become one of the greatest incarnations of the doctor; S6 can only see him get stronger and stronger- so much so that he MAY cause me concern that Tom Baker will relinquish his position as number 1 for me. Gillan was good for the most part, but her character needs to be fleshed out in this season for fans to truly take to her. So on the whole, S5 was very good- 7/10 as a whole.

  • April 23, 2011, 2:50 a.m. CST

    seph- don't think man-of-virtue is the Moff....

    by sam jacksons wig

    any fucker can come onto a TB and throw a few facts so you think he is the Moff. I experienced that a few years back on a LOTR TB when someone was trying to convince everyone he was peter jackson.

  • April 23, 2011, 2:51 a.m. CST

    Getting exciting now !!!

    by 2LeggedFreak

    9 hours or so to go. By the way I love the revamped theme tune and the direction it goes in. Happy days

  • April 23, 2011, 3:01 a.m. CST

    oh and here's another reason to appreciate Matt Smith

    by 2LeggedFreak

  • April 23, 2011, 3:43 a.m. CST

    Morning All

    by shibleybc

    Good Review and i like the fact i dont have to wait for the ep to air before we get a TB (Docback sorry) Will love throwing V'shael and SJW a bone or two later! Frozen on the other hand i will not be able to tease :(

  • April 23, 2011, 3:49 a.m. CST

    Man of vertue is clearly implying he's on staff if

    by V'Shael

    not Moff himself. The same user name appeared on a different forum, with the sign in name of SMOFFAT1961. But I think Moff generally tweets these days, not posts on boards.

  • April 23, 2011, 4:01 a.m. CST

    Morning Shibs!!!!!

    by sam jacksons wig

    Bone throwing??? Moi??? Aha! You are forgetting I am from good old Blighty, my friend! And as such i will be tuning in to the delights of nu-Who at 6pm this very evening! I am now so fucking psyched it is to be unbelieved!!!! I am actually gardening to try and pass the time quickly (well, not exactly now as I am typing) . I even trayed to Santa after putting a 12 foot crack in my bedroom wall with a mallet, but unfortunately the new season didn't show up any faster.....

  • April 23, 2011, 4:03 a.m. CST


    by shibleybc

    SQUEEL :)

  • April 23, 2011, 4:04 a.m. CST

    2legged- it's becoming fucking unbearable!

    by sam jacksons wig

    Watched Season 5 again last night along with the Five Doctors (then fell asleep as I was frigging knackered!). I am ready to commence. Beer. Snacks. And if my wife and kids open their mouths during then...... .... SILENCE WILL FALL!!!!!!!!

  • April 23, 2011, 4:08 a.m. CST

    Yeah SJW

    by shibleybc

    If you hear of a man exploding on the M1 that will be me! Burst with excitement 2011 :) Wheres Purple and smashing to help share the anticipation?

  • April 23, 2011, 4:24 a.m. CST

    Happy Who Day To You All.


    May your sonic screwdrivers be free of deadlocks and your neutron flows be reversed.

  • April 23, 2011, 5:15 a.m. CST

    Shibs- hopefully no-one will be tardy to the party!

    by sam jacksons wig

    Looking forward to saharing the experience with all of the regulars! I am suprised that Purple is not there personally to console you after I take your money and Frozen fucks off with your wallet when we win our bet decisively!!! ;)

  • April 23, 2011, 5:16 a.m. CST

    Shibs, was it you ironing on the M1 in anticipation???

    by sam jacksons wig

  • April 23, 2011, 5:19 a.m. CST

    I am going to tell you what is fucking sad.....

    by sam jacksons wig

    That I have the new theme tune playing on my PC as I type this!!! It has been too fucking long to wait for Who fans!

  • April 23, 2011, 5:22 a.m. CST

    Close Call

    by 2LeggedFreak

    Just down at Tesco's Extra and saw the 11th Doctors sonic screw driver. Not sure what the wife would have made if I'd bought it so chickened out. Mind you she did buy me a Remote control Dalek a couple of birthdays ago but I'm not sure she wasn't being ironic. Now just under 7 hours to go. I can take my mind of it by watching the tricky blue boys beat united at 12.45 then the endless afternoon will stretch ahead. Oh and Sam I find that having a supply of strong rope and some duct tape on the settee next to you, and a few meaningful stares, engenders the right kind of respect in wife and kids. Wooo hoooo wooo hoooo !! Lets see if we can melt the internet later !!!

  • April 23, 2011, 5:24 a.m. CST

    Anyone posting during the show

    by V'Shael

    is an idiot, who isn't paying proper attention to the screen. Just saying....

  • April 23, 2011, 5:28 a.m. CST

    Five Doctors

    by 2LeggedFreak

    Not sure if it was as bad with the 5 Doctors as the three Doctors but it always annoyed me that the oldest looking Doctor , Bill Hartnells, was portrayed as the wisest when surely it should have been the latest incarnation who was. However the highlight in all of these was the Troughton/Pertwee interplay which was perfection. Troughton was my Doctor which is why I'm so fond of Smith because he definitely channels a lot of Troughton/Baker.

  • April 23, 2011, 5:50 a.m. CST

    2legged- hahahahahaha!!

    by sam jacksons wig

    Had my wife a couple of years back actually buy me Tennants sonic screwdriver, which I still have somewhere! One of my friends has a bone china tardis ornament in her lounge. I also own the cyberman talking mask which my eldest kid bought me for my birthday!!!

  • April 23, 2011, 6:05 a.m. CST

    I don't need no review for Dr Who I know its going to be brilliant

    by drunkenmonkey73

  • April 23, 2011, 6:25 a.m. CST

    drunkenmonkey- nore do most of us!!!

    by sam jacksons wig

    However, sometimes it's good to hear or read the views of others....that is what inspires TBs like these! Enjoy!!

  • April 23, 2011, 6:34 a.m. CST

    River Song is.....

    by JaNath

    ...... not revealed in this comment, because I don't know and don't wish to and will enjoy all the more finding out when I'm meant to. HOWEVER, I am a trifle bit pissed off with the powers-that-be at 'Doctor Who Adventures' magazine. We subscribed for our two boys and the latest issue was delivered this morning. With them at Grandma and Grandad's last night (a lie-in! 'Til 8am! YAY!) we had a flick and found >>>SPOILERS<<< 'cos this mag is meant to be for after episode 6.1 tonight. Doh! Never mind. Not gonna post them here. Too busy cutting out The Silence mask to quietly put on and scare my boys sh*tless when they're watching it tonight. Oh, and my dog looks more like Richard Nixon than the geezer playing him here. Just one more's SERIES 6 not season, alright? And flavour. And Zed, not Zee. I'm just saying.

  • April 23, 2011, 6:38 a.m. CST

    'Just popped out to get my special straw. It adds more fizz'

    by JaNath

    Sorry, couldn't help myself. Just the one spoiler ok?

  • Karen Gillan was on last night's "The Late, Late Show With Craig.Ferguson", an american late night talk show. Have not watched it yet, but, she may be talking about Who, (of course!) and the movie she's making, too! What? What movie? Or, is that old news?

  • To us crazy Americans, it's season 6, and, yes, I know, we're wrong and you're right.

  • April 23, 2011, 7:27 a.m. CST

    New clip was shown on Craig Ferguson last night

    by V'Shael

    When Karen came out they showed a brand new clip.It was funny. It was the section around the Doctor lifting the astronauts helmet which is in the trailer.

  • April 23, 2011, 7:39 a.m. CST

    @Janath - If you have a black suit and white shirt

    by V'Shael

    So much the better for freaking out the kids. Just sneak into the room while they're engrossed on the telly. Stand quietly and wait for one of them to turn around. Bonus points if you're there when one of them has to look away from the screen in fear, and catches sight of you.

  • April 23, 2011, 7:45 a.m. CST

    The scene from Craig Ferguson transcribed

    by V'Shael

    since by the time I rip it, encode it and put it on youtube, it will be broadcast anyway... INT Warehouse Scattered about are lots of pieces of human technology, period late 60's high tech. Present : The Doctor, Amy, River. In the far background carrying torches, Rory and one other person. RIVER : It's contemporary. DOCTOR (getting excited): Very contemporary. Cutting edge. This is from the Space Program. RIVER : Stolen? AMY : What, by aliens? DOCTOR : Apparently. AMY : But why? I mean, if you can make it all the way to Earth, why steal technology that can barely make it to the Moon? DOCTOR (very excited): Maybe cause it's cooler! Look how cool this stuff is. AMY : Cool aliens? DOCTOR (smug): Well, what would you call me? AMY : (Deadpan) An alien.

  • Forty minute show, first half had comedy bits, after that was ten minutes with Diane Lane and the last ten with Karen Gillan. They talked about Who (of course!), saw a never-before-seen clip from the first episode, that was nice, since both are from Scotland, talked about that and, at the end of the interview, they both played the mouth organ, don't ask, well, you can, if you want to. I did think the clip was cool.

  • And, did a better job than me, good man. So, what is it, 5 1/2 hours to go? For me, I'm on a time-delay, so, I won't see until an hour or two after all of you do. Enjoy and if a spoiler or two makes here before I see Who, it won't be problem at all.

  • April 23, 2011, 9:12 a.m. CST

    3 hours to go, 10 minutes ago...

    by V'Shael

    Watchin' it live. Can't wait.

  • April 23, 2011, 9:15 a.m. CST

    2 hours and 45 minutes until it all kicks off....

    by sam jacksons wig

  • April 23, 2011, 9:16 a.m. CST

    Nothing on the listings about a tribute to Lis Sladen

    by V'Shael

    Someone was spreading a rumour about a 15 minute tribute or something. Not gonna happen. Expect a black screen tribute or something, that's all.

  • April 23, 2011, 9:16 a.m. CST

    Merrick- update WELL SAID!

    by sam jacksons wig

    Don't look if you don't want to be informed!

  • April 23, 2011, 9:21 a.m. CST

    Today IS WHO DAY! Now watching Talons of Weng-Chiang!!

    by sam jacksons wig

    I have never before felt this level of anticipation for a TV show, and I am one who bought the first 3 seasons of Lost (after missing them on Tv) and watched them in just under 4 days straight!!! Axcel- just be careful the spoilers that hit this DocBack don't ruin it for you totally!! Some moron will no doubt give the ending away, or the main plot points.

  • April 23, 2011, 9:41 a.m. CST

    v'shael, not a rumour at all

    by Mister Vertue

    If you still have your senses about you after watching episode 1, then you can turn over to the CBBC channel at 6.45pm to catch 'My Sarah Jane: A Tribute to Elisabeth Sladen', which will then take you to the first Doctor Who Confidential of the year entitled 'Coming To America' at 7pm.

  • April 23, 2011, 9:46 a.m. CST

    Liz Sladen Tribute

    by JaNath

    This is airing tonight and will be on the CBBC channel straight after Who finishes at 6:45pm. CBBC is Children's BBC which is where Sarah Jane aired (they're showing a load of episodes today). It's on for 15 minutes and then at 7:00pm on BBC3 (keeping up?) we get Doctor Who Confidential, the 'making of' that can be good, can be crap. I know this because I am from the future and travelled in my TARDIS to bring you this news. I was 1103 years old but then I got shot and I'm now 909. Sorry sweeties! Spoilers!

  • While I do like some spoilers, I don't want to know the ending. I do know that "The Impossible Astronaut" has an ending we may not like, character-wise, I mean. (I still think it's the Doctor who dies, but, I'm just guessing.)

  • April 23, 2011, 9:53 a.m. CST

    Dedicated Talkback Next Week As Well??

    by Merrick

    Much of the "juice" of this Series/Season premiere resides in its second part - "Day of the Moon" - which doesn't broadcast until next week. Would there be any interest in our opening a Talkback dedicated to that episode as well? Next Friday afternoon/Saturday morning perhaps?

  • April 23, 2011, 9:53 a.m. CST

    And for what it's worth

    by Mister Vertue

    I very much look forward to reading all of your reviews and theories for episode 2. I'll tell you this though, nobody will guess the ending of next week's episode. That's the episode I'm waiting for reactions to. It'll be like Christmas come early for the diehard fans, of which there seems to be one or two here, myself included. Just a couple of hours to go until we can kick back with our families, a nice glass of wine and our favourite Time Lord. Oh it really has been too long, hasn't it?

  • April 23, 2011, 9:58 a.m. CST


    by Merrick

    (I'm genuinely not trying to be coy 'round those who've yet to see it...) The ending for Episode 2 - perhaps the greatest 'WTF!?' moment the series has yet advanced. Final determination pending its payoff...

  • April 23, 2011, 9:59 a.m. CST

    Janath, you'll have to wait

    by Mister Vertue

    Until episode 7 to find out once and for all who River Song really is. It's almost a form of fun torture, isn't it?

  • April 23, 2011, 10:01 a.m. CST

    merrick - yes, open another one for next week!

    by sam jacksons wig

    Most of us Who fans look forward to a new talkback each week for each passing episode, so the more the merrier as far as I am concerned! Thanks!!!

  • April 23, 2011, 10:02 a.m. CST

    Oh come on

    by 2LeggedFreak

    I'm already over hyped for this weeks episode and now you are starting the, "just wait until next week shenanigans." You folk are just cruel. Merrick --of course set up a talk back for next week--I'm sure all the Doc-backers will find a way of filling it. Lets face it the Doc talk backs and anything associated have now been voted by a panel of unbiased experts--i.e. me---as the classiest part of AICN.

  • April 23, 2011, 10:06 a.m. CST

    Well, knowing what I know about that final scene

    by V'Shael

    I do have what I think is a pretty plausible idea. To be discussed in much detail after next weeks airing, no doubt. Right now, I'm far more interested to see if Rivers apparent ignorance of Rory's identity will be addressed, assuming these River stories featuring Rory, take place in her pre-Pandorica timeline. Or will we just assume that when Rory was wiped from the timeline, he was wiped from Rivers memory as well? (Unlikely, unless River isn't a Complex Space Time Event... which I think was already established that she is, via the two parter Angels episode last year.)

  • April 23, 2011, 10:08 a.m. CST

    man_of_vertue -

    by sam jacksons wig

    For the last I don't know how long alot of us have been speculating as to the new series/season. There have been some blinding spoilers (some of them from myself) put out there, but so far no-one has even bgun to speculate on the end of episode 2. I will wait until I have seen the 1st in all of its glory, then will put my 2c as to what will happen. Can't fucking wait to find out though!!!

  • April 23, 2011, 10:08 a.m. CST

    Merrick, the ending of episode 2

    by Mister Vertue

    Is easily the greatest 'WTF?' moment in the show's entire history to date. How ever will they top that? I think they should trash the remaining episodes and just leave it there. Just joshing everyone, of course they can top it! It's ''The Mighty Moff we're talking about here.

  • April 23, 2011, 10:11 a.m. CST

    2legged- let's just get this week over with first, eh?

    by sam jacksons wig

    It will whet our appetite for next week, and we will have a whole 7 days to stew over what we think will happen. Pay no heed to those wsho are in the know or worse, think they are in the know!!!

  • April 23, 2011, 10:11 a.m. CST

    1 hour and 50 minutes to go.

    by sam jacksons wig

  • April 23, 2011, 10:13 a.m. CST

    River Song is.....

    by JaNath

    ......the daughter of Doctor Emmett Brown and Clara Clayton. She first meets the Doctor in 1955 in Hill Valley. Well, one can dream. Not as daft as it sounds! I've read The Writer's Tale (highly recommended) and during RTD's tenure they were very, very close to getting the Doctor materialising on the NCC-1701D for a two parter. I sh*t you not. Personally....I think it would have had to have been really something to have not stank the place up. My 'Silence' mask is just drying.

  • April 23, 2011, 10:16 a.m. CST


    by Merrick

    >>>How ever will they top that?<<< That's the thing...what does that ending actually mean? How it is paid off...the significance of that moment and how it ultimately echoes throughout the show...will determine its ultimate value, IMHO. The implications range from relatively mundane to astonishingly profound. I have a theory - but there's no way to discuss without spoiling. Perhaps in next week's Talkback.

  • April 23, 2011, 10:18 a.m. CST

    Do any of you have children?

    by Mister Vertue

    Fear not, I'm not the Child Catcher, I merely want to know the reaction of your kids or younger siblings to these first two episodes. I was rewarded with resounding cries of 'Woah!' from my two bairns at several points throughout and there isn't any greater moment for a parent watching Doctor Who with their children than that.

  • April 23, 2011, 10:21 a.m. CST

    man_of_vertue I have 2 kids, both who fans.

    by sam jacksons wig

    I can't wait to see their faces over the next 2 weeks.

  • April 23, 2011, 10:24 a.m. CST

    Surely we can open next week's talkback now?

    by Mister Vertue

    Or would that be just too tempting for those who want to know it all now without the big wait? Could I wait? No, I bloody well couldn't. Maybe it's for the best that we let time take it's natural course and stay on the same page together. I'm looking forward to sharing the journey with you all though. All of a sudden, I feel like a 7 year old boy again...

  • April 23, 2011, 10:25 a.m. CST

    janath-will your "special straw" be able to penetrate the mask??

    by sam jacksons wig

    Or will you not be able to see through it to open your envelope marked "number 1" after you come out of the toilet? ;) ;) ;)

  • April 23, 2011, 10:28 a.m. CST

    Don't have kids. Shame the Beeb stopped doing their "Fear Factor"

    by V'Shael

    type reviews, where they got the reactions of 4 kids of varying ages, to estimate how scary the episodes were. Not just handy for parents, but amusing for those of us who hid behind the cushions way way back in the day.

  • April 23, 2011, 10:29 a.m. CST

    man_of_vertue : let's not, not yet!!!

    by sam jacksons wig

    I could wreck it the fuck for everyone right this moment, but choose not to!! Just because I know what happens doesn't mean that I know anything about the context of why it happens, or how profound it will be throughout the entire show. The possibilities are just fucking awesome though!!!

  • April 23, 2011, 10:30 a.m. CST

    Sam Jacksons Wig...

    by JaNath

    .....what I do with my special straw in the toilet is of nobody's concern but mine thank you very much. If my children don't pay attention to 'Who in a couple of hours time, they're getting sent to bed. It's a family show after all. ;-)

  • April 23, 2011, 10:31 a.m. CST

    Got two teenage lads

    by 2LeggedFreak

    Both claim to be a bit too cool for Who, because their dad likes it. Leads to some interesting conversations with these cool dudes at tea time. Who have no interest in who at all. Son1 "Saw that Matt Smith on TV today, doesn't look as good as Tennant" Son2 "What do you mean that by that, he's the coolest Doctor ever !!" Wife ( also has no interest in Who) "yep he's definitely the best." Son 1 "What, better than Tom Baker?" Me "Whoah, you people don't watch Dr Who, where the heck does Tom Baker come into it" Cue various mutters of "We don't watch it, I think somebody mentioned him at college." But they are weakening. One of them couldn't resist coming down from the bedroom cave to review last seasons finale, which they just happened to catch on tv. Dr Who is becoming cool !!!

  • April 23, 2011, 10:33 a.m. CST

    Naughty naughty!

    by Mister Vertue

    A few of you are being a little too fast and loose with your spoilerific references now (sam jacksons wig I'm looking directly at you)! Please, if you've seen the opening episodes via press screenings, BBC premieres (on either side of the Atlantic) or even if you're a BBC employee, keep those naughty tidbits to yourself. I know it's very difficult, but those who haven't seen it yet will be all the more thankful if you don't ruin too much for them. And yes, I may have been a little naughty myself so far, so I'll behave and countdown the clock with the rest of you wonderful people for the next 90 minutes. 90 minutes? Is it really only 90 minutes now?

  • It was sheer happenstance I came across the spoilers I did, but I can't give up going online until the show airs. Nevertheless, I haven't posted anything spoilery online. And I don't think I'll be emailing any anymore either, since once they're out, they can be posted in talkback without my say so. Isn't it weird that I won't post Who-spoilers, but I have no problem identifying the people who spent 50,000 getting super-injunctions so they wouldn't appear in the UK tabloids?

  • April 23, 2011, 10:46 a.m. CST

    man_of_vertue - don't worry! I know just how much I can push.

    by sam jacksons wig

    I have promised not to spoil anything for anyone specifically, and I will stand by my word.

  • April 23, 2011, 10:49 a.m. CST

    2legged- both of mine have been in to it since Eccleson.

    by sam jacksons wig

    My eldest actually cried when Eccleson regenerated into Tennant!!! It is such a family event in our home, and for that I am greatful!!

  • April 23, 2011, 10:49 a.m. CST

    Mr Merrick (apologies if you're a Mrs (or Ms (or Miss)))

    by Mister Vertue

    You think the implication of *that* ending could possibly be mundane? Really? It can't be anything other than significant. 'The Mighty Moff' (that's his official name now - fact) hasn't let us down yet, has he? The man who brought you Clockwork Men in France, Captain Jack fighting gas-mask aliens in World War II, the Vashta Nerada in a futuristic library, Weeping Angels who zap you into the past and a Doctor who eats fish fingers and custard. What else do you expect from him other than utter brilliance? I really don't think he does mundane, does he? Can't wait to hear your theory because that's what makes this unique show so fun.

  • April 23, 2011, 10:49 a.m. CST

    A Dissenting Opinion

    by shawman8870

    Just curious, am I one of the few people who loved Russell T. Davies era and who sorta dislikes The Moff's direction for the series so far? Sure Davies had logic holes and bad eps every now and then (Fear Her anyone?) but it was damned exciting stuff, and dramatic as hell. I think my first problem with S5 was the whole "fairy tale" approach. That coupled with poor writing (Beast Below, Victory of the Daleks, Amy's Choice stand up) helped to kill any avid interest I had. I like Smith's Doctor, but I don't think he's been given the tools he needs to really be great. That said, a few of the quieter, dramatic episodes were brilliant (Vincent and the Doctor, The Lodger, the recent Christmas Carol), but none of that can make me forget that I absolutely loathe Amy Pond and her whole story. Nevertheless, the teaser for the new series looks good, and I will continue watching in the hopes that Moff follows up on the wonderful Christmas story.

  • April 23, 2011, 10:52 a.m. CST

    v'shael- the shit has truly hit the fan over hypermegainjunctions over here!

    by sam jacksons wig

    Even the Prime Minister is getting involved in it all now. I do have a big deal to say about the tabloids who want nothing ore than to name and shame these people to sell another few thousand of their rags, not out of anything noble at all.

  • April 23, 2011, 10:53 a.m. CST


    by Merrick

    To be clear, I don't (in any way) *expect* the payoff of that scene to be mundane. One possibility for that sequence *might* make the moment appear to be bigger and more resonant than it actually is (hence my reference to it possibly being mundane) - although I sincerely doubt that's the case.

  • April 23, 2011, 10:56 a.m. CST

    Newspapers argument

    by 2LeggedFreak

    I kid you not, the newspaper argument is that they fulfil a vital role in reporting on the significant world events but that, in order to keep going and fulfilling this role they need to be profitable. And the way to be profitable , print gossip. Scary really...1 hr 4 mins to go.

  • April 23, 2011, 10:57 a.m. CST


    by Mister Vertue

    Series 6 (or should that be Series Fnarg, Part 2?) is no fairy tale my friend. Quite the opposite in fact. This is nightmare stuff. I do hope you jump aboard the ghost train and give the show another chance. If you don't like the direction of this series then I guess you're a lost cause. The rest of us will continue to watch with glee!

  • April 23, 2011, 10:58 a.m. CST

    V-'Shael and Sam Jacksons Wig...

    by JaNath

    ..... would be interested to know which one of you is 'over there' and which one of you lives here in Blighty. Interesting about these superinjunctions innit? But this is WHO! Don't marr the talkback! Blimey....John Sullivan, creator of Only Fools and Horses has dies it's just been reported. Not 'triffic.

  • April 23, 2011, 11 a.m. CST

    @Sam Jacksons Wig

    by V'Shael

    Well, I agree with Ian Hislops comments on the subject, as aired last night. It's all very well right now letting judges protect some Welsh footballer who couldn't keep his dick in his pants... but if it isn't addressed soon, then the same hyperinjunction shit could be used to prevent the public from knowing something it really SHOULD know. Like the paint on water tanks degrading into toxic chemicals. It's also utterly futile, since the age of the internet. Most people can go to Twitter and find the identities of these people in seconds. So we have state where the public CAN know, the papers DO know, and yet it can't be in the public discourse. Makes zero sense.

  • April 23, 2011, 11:01 a.m. CST

    2legged- how is a footballer shagging a whore a significant world event?

    by sam jacksons wig

    It's just to sell rags, and that "freedom of the press" bullshit is just BULLSHIT. Yes, name and shame them if they are making a mint from hiding what they truly are (Michael Barrymore took a spectacular nose dive), but to make a profit out of it is wrong.

  • April 23, 2011, 11:02 a.m. CST

    59 minutes. I am sooooo fucking buzzed right now!!

    by sam jacksons wig

  • April 23, 2011, 11:05 a.m. CST

    Completely off-topic...

    by V'Shael

    Did anyone see David Threlfall play the Doctor in that dream sequence in Shameless? Looking forward to seeing Hugh Bonneville in Doctor Who in a few weeks. Ryan Giggs is a great footballer but he's never been in Doctor Who.

  • April 23, 2011, 11:08 a.m. CST

    janath - me in the UK and V'Shael all the way across the atlantic..

    by sam jacksons wig

  • April 23, 2011, 11:08 a.m. CST

    John Sullivan died?

    by Mister Vertue

    One of the greatest, if not the greatest, comedy writers of the 20th Century. That just dampened my excitement for tonight a little. I'm sure you'll agree that we're losing too many good people this month. My condolences to his family.

  • April 23, 2011, 11:09 a.m. CST

    v'shael- no, Giggs chooses to place his balls elsewhere apart from a net...

    by sam jacksons wig

  • April 23, 2011, 11:13 a.m. CST

    It's a beautiful, bright, warm.....

    by JaNath

    sunny late afternoon. Time to close the curtains and turn off the lights soon then. Oooo-weee-oooooo Oooo-ooooooo oooo-weeeee-oooooo

  • April 23, 2011, 11:15 a.m. CST

    The Writer's Tale: The Final Chapter

    by Mister Vertue

    I'm so glad someone mentioned this book. Isn't it a wonderful read? RTD and Ben Cook captured the agony and the ecstacy of the writing process from start to finish. Whatever you may have thought of Russell's tenure on the show, I'm sure you'll be more sympathetic towards him after reading this book. It has to be said, the man is an absolute hoot too. Mad as a box of otters. And let's not forget, we wouldn't be sitting here with 45 minutes (45 MINUTES????!!!!) to go until a new episode tonight without Russell. I'll be raising a glass to him tonight, that's for sure.

  • April 23, 2011, 11:15 a.m. CST

    Eh, I'm not across the Atlantic. I'm across the channel.

    by V'Shael

    I just paid for the privilege of watching tv from US and UK.

  • April 23, 2011, 11:17 a.m. CST

    v'shael- I went the long way round.....

    by sam jacksons wig

  • April 23, 2011, 11:21 a.m. CST

    Attention computer geeks!

    by Mister Vertue

    How many IMs can I have open on my computer before it explodes and dies? I may have just surpassed my previous record and I'm now currently juggling friends and family like a demented circus freak. Little do they know that at 6pm on the dot, the IMs will fall 'silent'. Hopefully they'll all forget though *slaps wrist* Oh that was naughty of me.

  • April 23, 2011, 11:24 a.m. CST

    man_of_vertue - naughty naughty!!!

    by sam jacksons wig

    I am keeping a tally of the number of spoilers you put out there!!!! :)

  • April 23, 2011, 11:26 a.m. CST


    by Mister Vertue

    Where to begin on that topic? I used to be more than a little interested in journalism, but quickly came to discover that the slimiest of snakes occupy that world. Some television execs missed their calling in life (that one's for you Russ!) How I amuse myself!

  • April 23, 2011, 11:30 a.m. CST

    Are you using a black marker pen to keep track?

    by Mister Vertue

    Or maybe something a little more 'handy'? Okay, that's two strikes.

  • April 23, 2011, 11:31 a.m. CST


    by 2LeggedFreak

    You are starting to come across as a bit of a cock. We get've seen it let everybody else watch it without spoilers. Thanks

  • April 23, 2011, 11:39 a.m. CST


    by JaNath

    .....Yes, I had mentioned The Writers tale and it is indeed a cracking read. Big book as well. Who'd have thought some email tennis would be so readable? It's a good thing to have and refer to for any would-be writers and made me judhe RTD with more respect, the gay old coke fiend! Clearly you referenced it as spoilers for those-in-the-know (?) which makes me even more excited. Giggs and Marr in lovetryst shock.

  • April 23, 2011, 11:44 a.m. CST

    john sullivan rip...

    by emeraldboy

    the creator of the 2nd longest running sitcom in british history after last of the summer wine, Only fools and horses, john sullivan has died after a short illness. sullivan penned all the episodes himself, wrote a spin off episde about Derek del boy trotter early days and the prequel series rock and chips as well as the spin off for boycie called the green grass of home. Only fools and horses ended officially with three of biggest christmas specials ratings wise in the shows history. and that of the bbc's in the current era. derek trotter becomes a millionaire. in the second part of sullivans three part last hurrah. he looses his fortune and in the third and final one. del, rodney and uncle albert walk off into the sunset and retire. buster merriweather died during the filming of that. so that was the end of them. sullivan made sure that his characters will never be forgotten. and in the uk and ireland we wont forget del trotter....

  • April 23, 2011, 11:45 a.m. CST

    15 minutes!!!

    by sam jacksons wig

    I am having to put up with a shit quiz show called Dont scare the Hare until it comes on! It's like a fucked up stupid game show where a robotic hare is asleep and you haven't to wake him up in different scenarios. It is just fucking awful. This silly looking twat in a hat, white rimmed specs, and knee high boots is hosting it...he has the charisma of a dead seal....

  • April 23, 2011, 11:47 a.m. CST

    emeraldboy - dont forget he did Citizen Smith as well...

    by sam jacksons wig

    ...POOOWWWAHHHHH to the peeeeopleeee!!!

  • April 23, 2011, 11:50 a.m. CST


    by Mister Vertue

    I apologise profusely. Indeed, I have acted like an absolute smug cock on here today (although I've been called way worse - to my face no less). I suppose the excitement just went to my head. I hope you can forgive me. Enjoy the show everyone!

  • April 23, 2011, 11:52 a.m. CST

    I want that robotic hare so I can execute it!!!

    by sam jacksons wig

  • April 23, 2011, 12:01 p.m. CST

    Signing out myself... See you all back here in an hour.

    by V'Shael

    Once the Lis Sladen memorial is over.

  • April 23, 2011, 12:34 p.m. CST

    I wanted to be spoiled, FFS!

    by JillianneSix

    Seriously, it has been like trying to pull teeth to get information out of ANYONE. Still, I've eventually found what I was looking for, with no thanks to these talkbacks, GallifreyBase, or TWOP. Even the spoilers & speculations threads were freakin' bare. I can't believe people were holding back as much as they have. Anyway, enjoy the show.

  • I am so stoked for this, just wish my electricity isn't due to cut out in couple of hours... so uh, looking forward to monday if it does!

  • April 23, 2011, 12:50 p.m. CST


    by 2LeggedFreak

    Actually clapped when Nixon turned around in the Oval office--that was brilliant. Rory's character has been fine tuned a bit hasn't it. In fact he was probably the best companion in this episode-- tone perfect. Canton Delaware-- could he be a replacement for Captain Jack. This isn't a kids programme any more. When the silence killed that woman I envisaged hundreds of little kids having sleepless nights tonight. What fabness.

  • April 23, 2011, 12:54 p.m. CST

    that episode consisted of nothing more than

    by emeraldboy

    the trailers we had already seen plus a bit more. it looks. I just hope that next weeks ep is a bit longer.

  • April 23, 2011, 1 p.m. CST

    I was VERY surprised at how much of the episode

    by V'Shael

    was used in the series trailer. Things like the Lodger Tardis set, for example. Really made me rethink a lot about what we thought we might know.

  • all time is an achievement that we here in the uk and ireland will never see the likes of again. john sullivan was a giant of british of tv comedy. amongst giants like roy clark, dick clement and lan la frenais, ronnie barker and bob larbey.

  • April 23, 2011, 1:01 p.m. CST

    The Lis Sladen memorial...

    by V'Shael

    Quite nice, but AWFUL music choice to play over the last three minutes. Seriously seriously awful song.

  • April 23, 2011, 1:07 p.m. CST

    Right, since no one else seems to be willing to say it yet...

    by V'Shael

    I'll say... given that I was spoiled (in part) going in, I found the episode to be incredibly mild. When you look back at two parters in Who, especially when written by Moffat, the set up episodes usually stand alone as fantastic. This one didn't, in my opinion. Maybe if I had been completely unspoiled, I'd have had a different opinion. The script was funny, interesting and well done. But it was lacking something which all the previous episodes which were "part 1" of something, had. I'm just not good at explaining what it was that it was missing.

  • April 23, 2011, 1:11 p.m. CST

    It lacked length and flow

    by Blackhand2010

    It could have been a fantastic episode if it had 15 more minutes to expand into. The picnic was rushed, the Oval office was rushed, everything was... rushed. I think they need to go the Lost route and show two episodes at the begining of the season, and potentially make the first arc a three parter. 45 mins just ain't long enough to build up emotion/empathy and most importanatly tension.

  • April 23, 2011, 1:12 p.m. CST


    by emeraldboy

    I already said that it was nothing more than the series trailers with added bits. I am hoping for something more substantial next week.....

  • April 23, 2011, 1:15 p.m. CST

    @blackhand2010 - I disagree. 45 minutes is loads

    by V'Shael

    as has been demonstrated in other part 1's. It just didn't seem enough here. The Empty Child and Silence in the Library were both cracking episodes.

  • April 23, 2011, 1:15 p.m. CST

    @Emeraldboy - Sorry, I didn't see yours..

    by V'Shael

    I think my refresh wasn't working too good.

  • I'm on a time-delay with Who, so, I won't be watching it for about an hour. From the comments so far, some good, some bad, not sure what to expect, and, I'm guessing the big "WTF" moment happens at the end of next week's part 2.

  • April 23, 2011, 1:16 p.m. CST

    What it was missing was drama.

    by notspock2

    Don't get me wrong, I enjoyed it a fair bit, but moffat's sooo good at twists and timey wimey stuff, it's hard to believe anything catastrophic that happens to the Doctor could actually be permanent. Also since we just saw him erased from existence at the end of the last series, there's a bit of "seen it before". The silence are good though- a bit Ben IS Glory but there's nothing wrong with that.

  • April 23, 2011, 1:20 p.m. CST

    V'shael (Warning of Spoilers)

    by Blackhand2010

    I agree with those stories, but with this just didn't seem enough. SPOILERS Within the first ten minutes the Doctor is dead. Within the the next five minutes he's alive again, then it's onto 1969. It's a lot to cover in a fairly short space of time, and didn't give any of the characters space to breath and react, and more importantly give the audience time to think and feel.

  • April 23, 2011, 1:23 p.m. CST

    I agree that it didn't give too much room for

    by V'Shael

    the death to sink in, and in a sense that might have thrown the entire rhythm of the episode off.

  • April 23, 2011, 1:25 p.m. CST

    Not bad, but not great

    by photoboy

    Not a bad start overall, but I think it was unclear in a few places, like why Rory and Amy were back home. Why would they stop travelling with the Doctor? Seemed more like an excuse for Moffat to do that stupid nude portrait scene. And was the spaceship set from last season re-used because there's a link between them or is it just budget saving? My main gripes with the episode are that I've got to (once again) put up with River Song, who annoys me to no end with her smug delivery. I really hope the timeline gets changed and she gets killed in the next episode. And I hate the fact that Song knows more about piloting the TARDIS than the Doctor, that really fucks me off. I'm just hoping the Doctor is deliberately doing things wrong to test her knowledge. I don't mind the Doctor falling in love, but it needs to be with a companion who isn't fucking awful (i.e. Rose and River). Second, Matt Smith needs to reign things in a little bit. At a few points in this episode was at risk of going over the top like Tennant. He just needs to dial it back down to eccentric rather than being in full on Tennant/Jim Carrey mode. I think Smith is by far the best Doctor since the show came back in 2005, so I'd hate to see that ruined with a return to shit like that scene with Tennant shaking radiation out of his foot or saying "I ain't afraid of no ghosts" in a Scooby Doo voice.

  • April 23, 2011, 1:28 p.m. CST

    Also, some things about The Silence don't make sense.

    by V'Shael

    When Amy sees one in the Oval office, a Secret Service agent is right in its line of sight, but doesn't react. If someone sees one and shouts, will you remember the shout you hear, if you don't see one and then don't forget one because it goes out of view? They can be captured on camera, obviously. So how looking at an image of one, should be proof against amnesia. Things like that... it just doesn't make a whole lot of sense.

  • April 23, 2011, 1:29 p.m. CST

    The only thing better than that was....

    by Seph_J toblerone. :)

  • April 23, 2011, 1:30 p.m. CST

    one reason why I get annoyed with movie studios is

    by emeraldboy

    there insistence on telling you the plot in the trailer. I had hoped that the bbc would avoid this but I was wrong. if you go on to the bbc website. right now, you will see an introduction to next weeks episode day of the moon, the trailer from the end of the impossible astronaut and two preview clips from next week's show plus interviews with Karen Gillan. i wouldnt mind if the bbc took the ridley scott prometheus approach to this series in that scott has a clampdown going on. but the bbc thought otherwise.....

  • April 23, 2011, 1:30 p.m. CST

    Bit underwhelmed

    by theGoldbergV

    but only because every advance review was gushing all over the floor about these episodes. It was good, funny and had some creepy moments (everything you'd want from Who really) but it didn't flow as well as other great Moffat episodes. The fact people seem to be linking this with that godawful lodger episode from last year makes me want to watch it again (first time I couldn't get through it, I hate that James Corden guy). Next week looks fun though

  • April 23, 2011, 1:32 p.m. CST

    Things not making sense now

    by HornOrSilk

    It's only episode one. Remember that. It is possible questions will not be answered -- but it is quite possible, they are left there for us to debate and think ourselves smug until they show up on screen (as often happens with the Moff)

  • April 23, 2011, 1:32 p.m. CST

    My two boys won't go to bed....

    by JaNath

    .....they're too scared. But given the choice between 'The Jungle Book' to calm 'em down and DW again, they've plumped for the latter! Brilliant. Which raises a point - if it's available on catch-up IMMEDIATELY after it's just been on, can people outside the UK watch it? (Just asking - we have catch up on the tv through Virgin). Space 1969. So much cooler than Space 1999. Or not.

  • April 23, 2011, 1:33 p.m. CST

    The real question is

    by HornOrSilk

    Did Amy kill her daughter?

  • April 23, 2011, 1:35 p.m. CST

    The little girl in the spacesuit

    by Seph_J

    is River??? And in the preview for next episode, Amy is apologising to River for shooting her as a child? Possibly???

  • April 23, 2011, 1:38 p.m. CST

    Well, it could be River. And River could be Amy's daughter

    by HornOrSilk

    And River could have inherited Amy's hyper-flirtation ability and love of the Doctor..

  • April 23, 2011, 1:40 p.m. CST

    @Janath - No, people outside the UK

    by V'Shael

    can't access it. It checks your IP address. If you're not in the UK, it will block you.

  • April 23, 2011, 1:41 p.m. CST

    More Thoughts

    by 2LeggedFreak

    Understand some of the comments on here around the lack of impact of the death but my thought is that, because we all know this won't happen, playing on it too much could be a cheat. In essence it could just be the maguffin that this seasons story arc rests on but nothing to over-play. Just think listening back to it that the dialogue in this show was brilliantly done and all characters were great. Spoke already about the new improved Rory but River is already losing her smugness and Amy has been reigned in. Really good. There have been some hints on this being a bit Back to The Future 2 ish which means you are going to have to concentrate a bit on it. Some interesting things in this one. Rivers speech at the end was of course the foreshadowing of her death. What was most interesting though was her comment that she first met the Doctor when she was a lot younger. Makes me wonder if this is the last incarnation of River Song we'll see played by Alex Kingston--interesting

  • April 23, 2011, 1:45 p.m. CST

    Confidential just ended. Not much new there either.

    by V'Shael

    But it's always good to see the show dissected by the cast and crew. Moffat says specifically that it is The Doctor, and NOT a clone. Could he be pulling a LOST and lying to the viewers? He's done it before after all.

  • April 23, 2011, 1:54 p.m. CST

    2 Preview clips and the Introduction to next week

    by V'Shael

    They're worth watching if you don't give a crap about spoilers. Otherwise, it's pretty hard to justify putting them online after the Beeb were so tight about spoilers before now. I'm sure they are being uploaded to Youtube...

  • April 23, 2011, 1:57 p.m. CST

    Yes, they are on youtube already

    by HornOrSilk

    I'm still waiting to watch the episode, but, with all the clips, and talks I've read, I can talk about it to some degree -- not to whether or not I liked it (though it sounds to my liking) but to general ideas in it.. And that's why I say River is Amy's child who Amy shot at... and why River wanted to be at the wedding...

  • April 23, 2011, 2:02 p.m. CST

    I'm hoping I can watch it today

    by HornOrSilk

    But I do know, I have Ice Time to listen to tonight... too...

  • The Silence work by editing out your memories. (The mechanism was also given in a spoiler but wasn't revealed in episode 1) There would be 4 envelopes sent to the protagonists, to meet at a location and time. The doctor would be shot by the spaceman, and be killed during his regeneration cycle. There would be a future doctor in the episode. Amy, Rory and River all have secrets they're keeping from the Doctor and each other. Amy is pregnant. Now, from the same sources that gave us all of those, I got 3 other spoilers related to Episode 1, which were not revealed in the episode. So far as I know, two of them will only be revealed later in the series. Will those spoilers be as reliable? Who knows...

  • April 23, 2011, 2:11 p.m. CST

    Amy is still a problem imo ...


    Personally, I can't handle Karen .... I'm sure shes a great girl but her acting just falls flat ... shes such a huge part of Matt's legacy and a better actress with lift this stuff to a higher level.

  • April 23, 2011, 2:14 p.m. CST

    Loved it !

    by dj_bollocks

    Beautifully shot, atmospheric, a script that just bristles with genius and sensational dialogue and a mood that's a million miles away from the RTD era - we've moved on so much. Character development, even a good soundtrack. I can't emphasize how much it feels leaps and bounds from any other Doctor Who we've seen before - it's all been thought out and we see the spaceship from last year's The Lodger, as well as great looking and threatening new aliens.

  • April 23, 2011, 2:15 p.m. CST

    And let's not forget this...

    by dj_bollocks In Moff We Trust !

  • April 23, 2011, 2:18 p.m. CST


    by V'Shael

    Future Doctor (if that's who he actually was) - where was his Tardis? River was so concerned about even a cell from his body... why was no one concerned about an abandoned Tardis?

  • April 23, 2011, 2:18 p.m. CST


    by HornOrSilk

    Karen often seems flat, too, to me. But I don't know if it is her or what. Other places she seems better, so I think she needs the right director. However, Amy Pond is one of my least favorite companions ever. It's not that I don't like her story (I like all companions, even Adric), but I still find her to be problematic. But hey, everyone has different likes and dislikes. And I do like Rory quite a bit. In fact, I think the three best New Who companions are Rory, Dona, and Mickey (probably in that order).

  • April 23, 2011, 2:20 p.m. CST

    @v'shael RE: Spoilers for two-parter

    by JillianneSix

    I appreciate the spoilers, I really do, and hopefully everyone else who is looking for them, as well. I already know the ending for next week, but I'm still really ticked that Moff said "Don't leak spoilers" and everybody basically sucked his cock and followed orders. There was only one site I found (this morning, btw) who finally posted the big spoilers. I've been pissy for two weeks cuz of this shit, lol. Anyway, thanks for putting something up:)

  • April 23, 2011, 2:20 p.m. CST

    Felt like fan fiction

    by rosasaks

  • April 23, 2011, 2:25 p.m. CST

    Where was the future Doctor's TARDIS

    by HornOrSilk

    Well, who knows. Does it need to be known? Probably will see it when it is time for Matt Smith to go. I think the Moff has done something with this - prepared us for that time, and has made it so that we know how the 11th Doctor will die. We are led to believe it is not just the 11th Doctor's death, but the Doctor as a whole. Obviously not. But I think it would be cool to have the Doctor's regeneration prefigured, so that the ending is predetermined for him -- and yet why he would willingly go to that death is not yet explained. It's like Columbo now.

  • April 23, 2011, 3:11 p.m. CST


    by 2LeggedFreak

    Why did River say "Of course not" when she'd finished shooting at the astronaut ?

  • April 23, 2011, 3:25 p.m. CST

    B R I L L I A N T


    I feel sorry for those of you who didn't get the same amount of enjoyment that I did from that episode. It was everything I wanted it to be and I'm an extremely happy man now. Even Amy seemed better!

  • April 23, 2011, 3:43 p.m. CST

    Let me know which fan faction you read, rosasaks


    Because it must be some awesome shit!

  • William Morgan Sheppard, Mark Sheppard's father played the older version of Canton at the beginning of the episode and Doctor Who is now a BBC America and BBC Cymru Wales Co-Production, that might be the reason why Doctor Who is shown in the US the same day as in the UK. It might also be the reason why regular Who now runs at less than 45 minutes and specials run at a little over an hour (In the US, with ads regs run in an hour time slot and specials 90 minute time slot.) I may be an American, I agree 100% with the UK Doctor Who fans that say America should keep their sticky, greedy little hands off of Who. We can only hope nothing else changes on Doctor Who.

  • April 23, 2011, 4:01 p.m. CST


    by photoboy

    I think when she said "Of course not", it was meant as the answer to the unspoken question: will the gun kill the astronaut that just killed the Doctor. And of course it didn't, that would have been too easy.

  • April 23, 2011, 4:09 p.m. CST


    by 2LeggedFreak

    Or she's testing a theory that the astronaut is an earlier version of the Doctor and proves that she can't kill him because the immediate preceeding events would never have happened. !!!

  • I really enjoyed it. I knew it had to be the Doctor who died, no one else made sense. One thing that I didn't understand, if it was 2011, why was the Future-Doctor on top of a car that looked like it was from the 1960s?

  • April 23, 2011, 4:56 p.m. CST

    Just watched the previews for Ep2...

    by Seph_J

    ....what a fantastic concept. The whole skin marking thing.... love it.

  • Rock and chips 2010 to 2011 the green green grass 2005 to to 2009 only fools and horses 1981 to 2003 roger roger 1998 to 2003 micawber 2001 to 2002 heartburn hotel 1998 to 2000 coronation street sitting pretty 1992 to 1993 dear john 1986 to 1992 just good firends 1983 to 1986 citizen smith 1977 to 1980 bar the two ronnies and coronation street. The late john sullivan. wrote every single episode of the shows listed above. that is a towering achievement and we will never see its or his like again. whats saddening is that we live in world dominated by god awful reality tv. there is no room for an eddie braeburn, or a bob larabey or a roy clarke. in terms of comedy. situation comedy is hard I will give you that. and before I go a question who will take moffats place when he leaves as the head writer for dr who. or does the bbc plan to kill off dr entirely.

  • April 23, 2011, 5:27 p.m. CST

    River Song grates on me

    by john

    She aint even much to look at. Blugh...Fucking awesome tele though

  • April 23, 2011, 5:31 p.m. CST

    I can't see the BBC stopping DW for decades to come...

    by Seph_J

    if ever. I hope Moffat doesn't chuck it in. A replacement of his kind would be difficult to come by indeed.

  • April 23, 2011, 5:59 p.m. CST

    I do hope they keep it going...

    by emeraldboy

    but I have to say after this evenings ep I am a little nervous....

  • April 23, 2011, 6:02 p.m. CST


    by Seph_J

    Think of the outcry... "Your song is ending... but the story, never ends." Its an institution. To effectively END Doctor Who with any kind of finality would be like, Blackadder getting mowed down in the trenches, or smashing a car into Victor Meldrew.... Oh.... wait a second...... ...........shit.

  • April 23, 2011, 6:16 p.m. CST

    Lis Sladen Tribute now on BBC site/Iplayer:

    by CloneRanger

  • April 23, 2011, 6:22 p.m. CST

    Short but sweet..

    by Wldmk

    While I agree that it seemed just a small bit rushed given the initial twist and premise (which, having been completely spoiler-free, I did not see coming), I found the overall episode to be just terrific. Top notch acting and plot, a great setup for the next second part and a great start for the season IMO..

  • April 23, 2011, 6:27 p.m. CST

    I'm glad to hear that spoiler-free viewers found it great.

    by V'Shael

    I'm beginning to think the only way to remain completely spoiler free, is to remain off the internet all together.

  • April 23, 2011, 6:30 p.m. CST

    Nice to see the old crowd back for a new year of DocBacks!!!

    by Gabba-UK

    <p>Hello v'shael, Sam and Mr Gere's rodent fuckbuddy owner. Merrick as our ringleader on a DocBack? Very cool.</p><p> And some new face's too? man_of_vertue don't go too heavy on the spoilers there. You may not be The Grand Moff or Mr.Smith but you and clearly some others here are connected to the show and as much as we'd like to know what's coming up, I think we'd rather all find out by watching it.</p> <p>Mr Gigg's eh, v'shael? Thought so.</p><p> How pumped was I for this new series? Well, I brought a £300 HDR-FOX T2 FreeviewHD PVR yesterday to finally record it in HD with 5.1 sound while I was at work tonight. Do I win a prize for most ardent viewer?</p><p> So I kept spoiler free except for the teasers that have been popping up on the BBC to advertise the show (like it needed it) and as a result I think I loved it all the more.</p> <p>How fucked up looking are The Silence???!! What level of drug taking did the Moff partake of at Uni?</p><p> I watched The Big Bang on iPlayer this morning to catch up and was pleasantly surprised at the development of Arthur and Karen's portrayal of Rory and Amy in this first episode. He's raised his game considerably and she's toned it down a little to the greater improvement of both. Certainly worthy of having his name on the opening titles.</p><p>Matt.... well what can you say about Matt? He is dangerously close to overtaking Tom Baker in my eyes as the best Doctor. Moff just needs to give him an iconic moment as great as Baker offering Davros a jelly baby to tip him over the edge. The Nixon lookalike was passable but played him well enough. Mark Sheppard was as good as he usually is and as for River....</p><p> I can perfectly understand why some find her grating but this is the season when we finally find out who she is and Alex Kingston is playing her as though a great tragedy is about to hit her and she knows it, making the flirtations with the Doctor more bittersweet. Did love the 'quite a screamer' spoiler line, made me chuckle.</p><p> Moff has said that this would be a series of game changers and darkness and he wasn't kidding was he? Just loved this episode and so looking forward to next weeks.</p><p>Also, been informed by a work colleague that her mum's friend is Karen Gillian's Grandmother. I have of course demanded her phone number. Karen's, not my colleague's..... I've already got her's... :-)</p>

  • April 23, 2011, 6:33 p.m. CST

    Well THAT was worth the wait.

    by MoffatBabies

    That was some great fun, and I cannot describe but must testify that I love the new "feel" of it all. There's something different, better but still familiar about it all. And the alien makeup was actually not cheesy. I thought it would be from the previews, but it ended up really creeping me out. Now I must go watch confidential and the tribute. This is going to be the second longest week ever. After such a long wait, getting only 43 and a half minutes of Who felt like such a tease. I can't wait to read more of what the other Docbackers in the US think. I'll be lurking. Wow that was good.

  • April 23, 2011, 6:35 p.m. CST

    Sladen tribute "not available in your area"

    by MoffatBabies

    they should have lifted the restrictions for this one programme. Sad.

  • ...The Bay of Pirates have it in 720p glory as well as the "My Sarah Jane: A Tribute to Elisabeth Sladen" & the Confidential. Loved the episode...

  • April 23, 2011, 6:58 p.m. CST

    Lis Sladen tribute is on you tube too...

    by dj_bollocks

  • April 23, 2011, 6:59 p.m. CST

    oh gotta check the bay then

    by MoffatBabies

    for the Sladen tribute. Thanks.

  • April 23, 2011, 7:08 p.m. CST

    Though I doubt she is .. if River Song IS a Silent...

    by HornOrSilk

    Then perhaps that is who was in the bathroom with Amy. However... beyond that.. Something about the Silent makes me think they are not "bad guys." They are hiding, running away, trying to cloak themselves from something really, really bad. They might be protecting the universe in their odd way. "Silence will fall" is that they will be destroyed, thanks to the Doctor... only to find out, however badly they managed it, they were protecting the universe from the real big bad.. They just seemed, for the most part, afraid, huddling in a corner, trying to hide from the world. They didn't want to be known.

  • April 23, 2011, 7:09 p.m. CST

    River's speech to Rory

    by Valmont10E

    River talking about the day she dreads most when she looks into the Doctor's eyes and he doesn't know her. Powerful stuff. Brilliant acting from Alex. And doubly emotional for us because we've seen that moment with her and Tennant. To us her life is moving backward. The Moff just takes tv watching into another realm. Fantastic beginning to another series of the best damn show on television. Now gonna go see Sladen tribute and Who Confidential. Great job by Moff, Matt, and everybody else.

  • April 23, 2011, 7:11 p.m. CST

    @Hornosilk - Great idea

    by V'Shael

    Not the River one, that's silly. :) The other is very interesting - will provide much fuel for thought.

  • April 23, 2011, 7:16 p.m. CST

    v'shael / hornorsilk/ gabba-Uk


    V'shael - Nonsense, old boy. I remained spoiler free whilst ploughing my way through the internet! Of course, it helped that everyone in these DocBacks wrote "SPOILER!!" in the message titles so I could avoid 'em. Thank God these DocBacks seem to attract less assholes than the other TBs. HornOrSilk - That's a very good theory. Any theories on why one of them would kill an innocent woman, though? Gabba-UK - Yo! "Mr Gere's rodent fuckbuddy owner" made me laugh!

  • April 23, 2011, 7:18 p.m. CST

    Less Than One Hour To Go!!!

    by Eternal Optimist

    Yay! I'm so....excited for New Who!

  • April 23, 2011, 7:24 p.m. CST

    the return of the doctor

    by Mr X

    some jolly good moments on the show, rather interesting first 10 minutes. the show looked fantastic, you can see the budget was there for this eps, production values looked marvelous.

  • April 23, 2011, 7:28 p.m. CST


    by HornOrSilk

    They seem to be like scared animals. Perhaps there are various groups of them, some which are good, some which are not. They could still be on earth together, with the ones who are not so good being bolder. I would also say that if they are trying to hide, and they are somehow the key to some sort of protection going on in the universe, this doesn't mean they are nice in any human form of the word. They could still enjoy predatory functions themselves. Think of how bullies are -- they are easily made afraid. It would seem they attack as a response to a combination of factors, perhaps ones which we will learn. Some might enjoy it, some might not, maybe all enjoy it. But it also seems they are not doing it all the time, and for the most part, they are hiding out, trying to make it so the universe doesn't know where they are. Maybe the silence they make includes making places "disappear," not because they are destroying it, but hiding it - but for those not there, its disappearance looks like a destruction so that they think they are the last ones left. This could fit with what happened last season, too. The big tell is that the one Silent wanted Amy to tell the Doctor about the Doctor's demise (or so I think). That means it is wanting the Doctor's help for something, and it knows this can only come if the Doctor knows everything that he can know about what is going on. Either that, or I guess, it thinks this will somehow cause the Doctor to get upset and sloppy if he knew. I guess we shall see.

  • April 23, 2011, 7:39 p.m. CST

    Glad I made you laugh there...

    by Gabba-UK

    Proprietor of actor ravaged member of the genus Gerbillinae. Laughter is good for soul, while vasaline is best for anally impacted rodents. I can't stay awake much longer to hear how our cousins over the pond felt about the opener to the new series. I shall rejoin you all after the required sleep.

  • April 23, 2011, 7:47 p.m. CST

    My witnessing will be kind of astonishing.... in fifteen minutes!


    Anyone else been watching the BBCA Doctor Who marathon today? Good shit. Looking forward to the main event now.

  • April 23, 2011, 7:57 p.m. CST

    The Doctor's big victory turns into defeat

    by HornOrSilk

    This also seems to go with my theory: he finally defeats the Silence, making them fall... only to find out it was the worst thing he could have done, to fall really, really bad because of it.

  • April 23, 2011, 8:04 p.m. CST

    The rewind special was frustrating

    by MoffatBabies

    would have been nice to have a long special that covered a bit of The Doctor's ancient history rather than just the last series. But it was still fun to watch.

  • April 23, 2011, 8:05 p.m. CST

    I guess many of you are watching right this second.

    by MoffatBabies

    Exciting, isn't it?

  • April 23, 2011, 8:07 p.m. CST

    I witnessed the marathon as well, CBTML

    by MoffatBabies

    and it was more than kind of astonishing. That witnessing thing, is that like Dianetics speak or something? ;-)

  • April 23, 2011, 8:11 p.m. CST

    Can't wait for the flood of reactions coming soon

    by MoffatBabies

    just the first half of this first half has enough punch to it, most of you should come out happily bruised on the other side.

  • It's 1969, the age of hippies and free love (or maybe a little bit past it), there's a little girl (somehow tall enough for a spacesuit), and River Song's name sounds like something a hippie mother and father would name their kid. Anyone else getting this vibe as to who the little girl is?

  • April 23, 2011, 8:19 p.m. CST


    by MoffatBabies

    You damn well know what it is, you hater. And yes, bring back Stargate. (at least SGU)

  • April 23, 2011, 8:22 p.m. CST

    A few thoughts... (spoilers)

    by Kelvington

    well first things first. I hate when the regeneration is used as a plot device. Didn't like it when RTD did it, didn't like it here. How did the Doctor get his invite? (a minor quibble but still) it's not like he has a house somewhere that he visits. Even though he probably sent it to himself, it still bugs me a bit. I agree with the people who mentioned why can Amy see the Silence outside the oval office, but no one else can? Particularly since the woman in the restroom could. However he was wearing dark glasses, he could easily been standing there with his eyes closed. Or asleep... trust me it happens. As for who is in the space suit, my guess is either River or the Doctor himself, I would put 30% on River and 70% on the Doctor. When it comes to opening episodes I think this is one of the best, you really don't see a lot of this coming, which is great.

  • April 23, 2011, 8:29 p.m. CST


    by 2LeggedFreak

    I'm with you on this one. They didn't seem terribly threatening to me either ---this whole scariest monster ever concept would be a typical Moff ploy to mislead us. For some reason this whole America story reminds me of the Quantum Leap tale where Sam leaps into the body of Lee Harvey Oswald and is gutted to find he can't stop Kennedy being assassinated, only to find in one of the shows best twists, that before he interfered it was Jackie Kennedy who got shot and that history would have been a lot worse. So maybe something is screwed up, caused by the Doctor, and the Silence are trying to fix it. Maybe at first its only us who'll know its wrong --- like a different person being the first man on the moon. Lord this has got my brain churning ten to the dozen.

  • April 23, 2011, 8:31 p.m. CST

    Which means of course

    by 2LeggedFreak

    That the woman in the rest room was an anomaly that shouldn't have been there and needed tidying up.

  • April 23, 2011, 8:49 p.m. CST

    Or what if

    by 2LeggedFreak

    Because the universe was essentially recreated from Amy's memory--she misremembered something.

  • April 23, 2011, 9 p.m. CST


    by lantern48

    What website did you get spoilers for Day of the Moon from? I'm curious to know the ending now. Thanks.

  • April 23, 2011, 9:07 p.m. CST



    It's from Harry's incoherent rambling introduction for "The Devil's Double" article earlier this week. He stated "His witnessing is kind of astonishing!" and nobody knew what the fuck he was talking about.

  • April 23, 2011, 9:08 p.m. CST

    Holy Crapballs!

    by captain_kirk

    That was really cool. Like Fezes cool.

  • April 23, 2011, 9:10 p.m. CST

    My Thoughts On "The Impossible Astronaut"


    Great episode. Lots of stuff to chew on and think about. Interesting twisty storyline that'll confuse all the simpletons out there. Amy looking extremely fuckable. Nixon was good. Scary little girl. Good monster effects. 9/10. Second best piece of tv I've seen this year.

  • April 23, 2011, 9:14 p.m. CST

    I haven't enjoyed television as much as this since "Lost"!!!

    by Eternal Optimist

    Yay for Doctor Who! That episode was.... SO good that I want to.... watch it again right away! I'm SO glad that my Auntie got BBCA! "The Legs, The Nose, and Mrs Robinson" Tee hee!

  • April 23, 2011, 9:15 p.m. CST

    Spoilers: Who is in the Space Suite

    by captain_kirk

    It's Nixon. Duh. Meanwhile, I think that Doctor 909 fabricated the whole thing. I think he has a plan. Does anyone else find it odd that the trio didn't openly wonder about where the TARDIS was? If the TARDIS can cloak, why does it need a chameleon circuit at all?

  • April 23, 2011, 9:16 p.m. CST

    Mrs. Robinson.

    by captain_kirk

    Great line.

  • April 23, 2011, 9:17 p.m. CST

    River Song v. Amy Pond. Theory re: River.

    by captain_kirk

    Did anyone note that both are bodies of water? Perhaps River is really Amy. Older Amy.

  • April 23, 2011, 9:19 p.m. CST

    Further evidence of Doctor 909

    by captain_kirk

  • April 23, 2011, 9:20 p.m. CST

    ..Further evidence of Doctor 909's involvement...

    by captain_kirk

    No one can remember these guys. It must have been the only way.

  • April 23, 2011, 9:20 p.m. CST

    Have We Done Jim The Fish Yet?


  • April 23, 2011, 9:21 p.m. CST


    by Kelvington

    This is one of those BS things that writers come up with about the TARDIS. I can't think of a time in Who history where it was mentioned before. Plus if you did make it invisible, it would seem even the Doctor can't see it, as he ran into it. It was just a way of getting the TARDIS into the oval office and having a bit more dialogue before it was revealed. You don't pull on Superman's cape. You don't pull the mask of the old Lone Ranger. And you don't hid the TARDIS well.

  • April 23, 2011, 9:23 p.m. CST


    by captain_kirk

    Methinks that's why he never used it.

  • April 23, 2011, 9:24 p.m. CST

    **Possible Spoiler**

    by s0l

    Something just struck me.... In the tunnel with Rory, River Song has a moment when she feels ill and holds her stomach... Just like Amy does... Could they BOTH be Pregnant? Who's the daddy???

  • April 23, 2011, 9:26 p.m. CST

    OHMYGOD. I know who River shot!

    by IAmMrMonkey!

    She shot Jim The Fish! She deserves to rot in that space prison. THE BITCH.

  • April 23, 2011, 9:42 p.m. CST

    @lantern48 ****SPOILERS**** No, I mean it.

    by JillianneSix

    I couldn't find the website again, because I went to almost every frickin' one trying to find the damned *big* spoilers, so...I'll just tell you. And if anyone else clicked on this, you were warned!!!! *Scroll down for spoiler* At the end of the next episode, the little girl regenerates. Take that for what you will, as I'm still not sure in what context we will see it, but it *is* the very end of the episode.

  • April 23, 2011, 9:50 p.m. CST

    Sooo... Am i the only one who thinks Amy Pond is a bit of an idiotbitch?

    by ClaireRedfield

    The character as written, is trying desperately to be sassy and likable, but fails hard at every turn. I always feel like she puts on a show of caring and being melodramatic, but really doesn't give a shit about anyone but herself. Then again, maybe it's the actress, who is entirely unconvincing when doing anything but standing around being cute.

  • April 23, 2011, 10:05 p.m. CST

    ***Spoilery commentary***

    by timesfool

    I don't know what others saw, but, watching on BBC America, I saw about 15 minutes of actual episodic footage an 45 minutes of ads, most of them about the episode I was supposedly already watching. This was disappointing. The reveal with the 'death' was incredibly under-dramatic - it's a future Doctor, after all, so we're not supposed to believe that this entire season will NOT be about how time is re-written to prevent this event from happening? Amy's pregnancy, announced just as we we find out the 'impossible astronaut' is a little girl? We're not supposed to make a connection there? We don't know till next week what the result of Amy's shooting was (and where did she get the gun? Did we miss the bit about them being armed? Was it River's? When did River give her the gun?), but one can imagine the shock of knowing you possibly murdered your own child, who hasn't even been born yet. River's 'sickness' after seeing the Silence, not likely any pregnancy, but a misdirection, should think. Wouldn't go overboard on that one. The Tardis can 'cloak?' Really? I realise cloaking is a bit different than a chameleon circuit, but, still, this is just being introduced now? Herein lies some problems: too much introduced in too little space. The Silence are non-starters, sorry. Can't think of anyone over 10 who will find them frightening. The lightning effects as a choice of killing is over-done and the constantly forgetting that you see them underwhelms their impact. We don't know the point of them nor are given any hints as to what their purpose is. We know they're look a bit Ood/Area 51/alienish, we know they can kill, no one remembers seeing them, but past that, what? Next week had better deliver on them. We know the 'Tardis' that was on top of Craig's flat in 'The Lodger' is a big part of this: are the Silence building it or are they helping? Seems a given they (or someone they are connected with) are the reason the Tardis blows up in the future, but that's been done too, so anti-climactic. This opening episode suggest that we are starting at the end and will be back-tracking to the beginning of this 'story.' It's meant to shock, but it tries too hard; the hype machine might be to blame for that, however, not really Moffat and Co. Best bits are always the intimate things: River's conversation to Rory about her relationship with the Doctor was touching. We still don't know anything about her though or what her 'worst day' is. Hope that will pay off soon, though, really, we know she comes through it, so whatever it is with either increase the impact of her death in 'Forest of the Dead' on an emotional level or totally negate it. Like the 'Braveheart' bit, hearkens back to Peter Davison's Doctor #5. They have so much riding here: keeping the American audiences entranced (and selling Audis, I guess, have to pay for all these expensive episodes), and hopefully not alienating existing fans with commercial, American-style exploitation. If tonight's episode was any indication, they've already failed on that score. Now we have a whole new set of questions that, one can only hope, help build on the answers that need to come for last season. *When did Amy and Rory stop traveling with the Doctor? *What is the point of River Song in prison? She always escapes. The one-note gets a laugh here, but it's drying up. *What is River Song's 'worst day?' I'm sure that's to come. *If the future Doctor knew what was going to happen to him - looks quite arranged, in fact, why not simply tell his team, instead of making a puzzle of his actions? Oh, then we wouldn't have a season, I guess. He's trying to undo something other than his own death, is my guess. *Future Doctor started out quite chummy with everyone, even has his own 'Tardis' diary. Interesting. What are the odds we'll find out about that escaped Egyptian goddess on the loose on the Orient Express (in space) mentioned in The Big Bang? Eh. Sounded like a grand idea. Bits and pieces. Hope next week brings it all together. With limited commercial interruption, eh, BBC America? You listening? Thanks.

  • April 23, 2011, 10:14 p.m. CST

    The secret service...

    by Kelvington

    Here is one place where both RTD and SM do something that I hate. They alter history, in America up until the last decade or so we were pretty much a real racist country. And the idea that the head of the secret service would be an African-American is historically inaccurate. Nixon was not fond of blacks or Jews, and would not have had one in such a position. And changing history doesn't make it better. We should be ashamed of the way we have treated African-Americans in this country and by showing it historically wrong doesn't help. The same is true with the RTD era episode where there was an African-American in charge of Hooverville. That would be very unlikely. I think if you want to learn from history, and show it properly you need to show historical figures they way they actually were and not sugar coat it to be PC. Also what was the deal with the FBI agent? Were they alluding to the fact he was gay? By saying it was illegal for him to get married? That one kinda threw me a bit. Just asking.

  • April 23, 2011, 10:20 p.m. CST


    by Kelvington

    Here is where that spoiler is from

  • April 23, 2011, 10:21 p.m. CST


    by captain_kirk

    I figured the wife was a russian spy. But then again, in the end, he was all brokeback, eh?

  • April 23, 2011, 10:22 p.m. CST

    Russian spy works too...

    by Kelvington

    And I just watched Archer don't know why that didn't come to mind. DUH!

  • April 23, 2011, 10:32 p.m. CST


    by JillianneSix

    Thank you for finding that. I literally couldn't remember, but credit where credits due;) Thanks again.

  • April 23, 2011, 10:59 p.m. CST

    @jilliannesix and kelvington

    by lantern48

    Thank you both. Much appreciated. That goes a long way to helping me try and figure some of this out.

  • April 24, 2011, 12:08 a.m. CST

    ** The BIG SPOILER for Episode 2 **

    by scriptgirl_nipples

    The final scene of episode 2, the little girl is found in an alley by a hobo. He asks " are you alright little girl?" and she says "No, I'm dying..." "... but it's ok" she says "because it's starting" her hands and body starts to glow bright orange and energy starts to float off of her, the hobo gets scared and runs away. This unknown girl starts regenerating. And then it cuts to the credits.

  • April 24, 2011, 12:29 a.m. CST


    by JillianneSix

    That's a lot more detail than what I've been able to find. Thanks for posting!

  • April 24, 2011, 12:33 a.m. CST

    Wow. Ok...

    by Perigee

    At the moment, I'm guessing it's River who kills The Doctor. And, for some reason, it is done for the Silence's benefit. The older Doctor knew what was coming, and he needed a shooter. It was all part of his plan - whatever that may prove to be. But the plan was concocted to deal with This situation - which means it had to be concocted by 909. In a way, the older doctor was the initial invitee - to his own funeral, on a set date, place and time. Easy in a TARDIS. River has already admitted to killing the greatest man she ever knew, and considering her future involves a stormcage for the rest of her life (she shouldn't know about the Pandorica, the Library or the Angels yet) - and the fact that she actually did kill the doctor dead could lead her to try to "kill herself" after the job was done. We find out who "River Song is" in Ep 7 - the same episode which features the return of Maldavar, the seller of time travel devices seen in "The Pandorica Opens." Halfway through the season, the Doctor needs the Silence to see him definitely dead, and sends River, in the Astronaut costume, back to the beach to do what needs to be done. That's my guess. Today.

  • April 24, 2011, 1:04 a.m. CST


    by Pogue__Mahone

    Loved it for the most part... REALLY loving the Rory! He's starting to become my fave companion! <sp> I, too, feel that The Silence aren't inherantly evil and that in itself is a bit of a red herring... but I may be wrong. <sp> It's GREAT to have The Docbacks return and it's great to see so many familiar faces! <sp> I have lots more to say but want to rewatch the episode before throwing some more ideas and theories around! Cheers, one and all!

  • April 24, 2011, 1:23 a.m. CST

    The SS agent who was in eyeline of the Silent

    by V'Shael

    wasn't wearing dark glasses actually.

  • April 24, 2011, 1:24 a.m. CST

    TARDIS cloak.

    by V'Shael

    I had a vague memory of it being mentioned before (possibly in non canonical sources). Several good reasons were mentioned why it wouldn't be used in the episode. It's a drain on power, the scanner doesn't work and it's harder to get back in. The Chameleon circuit, if it worked, is obviously superior in that sense.

  • April 24, 2011, 1:30 a.m. CST

    Amy shooting - where she got the gun

    by V'Shael

    I guess you were one of those not really paying attention to the screen. They VERY clearly show her bending down, in slow motion no less, to pick up Canton 3's gun.

  • April 24, 2011, 1:45 a.m. CST

    Some thoughts with spoilers for what's ahead

    by V'Shael

    We know there is at least one Silent in 2011 who can witness the Doctors death. We know the Silents may be mind readers, since he knew the womans name and Amy's name and what had happened. So it may be necessary to stage the events of 2011 in such a way that the Silent believes what it reads in the mind. SPOILER - next week we allegedly see the Silents taken care of, in a way that reminded me of how the Robomen were taken care of, back in the day. And yet, there was at least one still there in 2011. I don't make the automatic connection between Amy's pregnancy and the child in the spacesuit. The girl says she is afraid of the spaceman. But she's in a spacesuit. Is there two girls? Another spaceman? Is she afraid of herself? SPOILER - There is a cloning episode up ahead. I happen to agree that the clone got shot in 2011. When he says he's been running his whole life, he means since he was grown in a clone vat. I also think most of Rivers adventures with The Doctor, will happen off screen with the clone. And she will be the one who kills him. Regarding the little girl in episode 2 regenerating... Well, this is pure speculation on my part... I think when the Doctor is captured, his body is analysed (perhaps in the clone episode, but possibly in Area 51) and the girl is human with Time Lord cellular abilities like regeneration bolted on. Is she River? Possibly. Regenerations can lead to amnesia, as in Castrovalva. And you can imagine the Doctor looking annoyed at River if he found out she was human with stolen Time Lord biology bolted on.

  • April 24, 2011, 2:03 a.m. CST

    Not bad at all...

    by blackflowerX

    I hated last season, so I had low expectations . I enjoyed it... It also helped that it had the deeply hot Mark Sheppard in it , he's amazing.

  • April 24, 2011, 2:07 a.m. CST

    Oh wait....

    by blackflowerX

    I'm reading here that the girl might be River.... And River killed a guy, so is that guy she killed ment to be the doctor? (someones probably already written this ).Sounds stupid now....LOL.

  • April 24, 2011, 2:20 a.m. CST

    After my sleep it's just occurred to me...

    by Gabba-UK

    Wasn't the Doctors reaction to Amy shooting this unknown spaceman a little over the top? I think that he knows who it is because at that point it's the 1100 year old Doctor with Amy and shooting this spaceman can ruin his plans. As River said in The Big Bang 'Rule 1: The Doctor lies'. Just a thought.

  • April 24, 2011, 2:39 a.m. CST

    Maybe he's a clone or a duplicate.....

    by JaNath

    .....says Amy Pond on the beach. And we know the Doctor (and the TARDIS) gets cloned later in the series, so is it obvious the Doctor that was killed was the clone, he knew he was the clone and he knew he had to die as you can't have two Doctors running around. Right? Maybe? My brain hurts.

  • April 24, 2011, 2:50 a.m. CST

    Wow....... okay. What to say....... (spoilers)

    by sam jacksons wig

    1) The Doctor is not dead. Not really. I mean, we DO have at least another series with Matt Smith, so the twist (which I already knew) of having the Doctor killed didn't really do it for me. Canton Delaware (old version) "yes that is the Doctor and he is really dead" is far too contrived. 2) Spoilers. All the way through the River story arc she has had a tardis blue diary. The Doctor has not as he has been avoiding spoilers. So, future 1103 year old Doctor just happens to have a diary so he can compare with River? I am certain that will be addressed later in the series. 3) Amy pregnant? Expect timey wimey wibly wobbly paradoxical type of events with this one. 4) The spacesuit in the lake? Yup, River Song with her time vortex manipulator bought from the Maldovarium Bar (we know it's back.) who kills a good man. Unless Moff has saved a really HUGE fuck you moment. 5) Part 2 next week- the little girl Amy shoots...... that is going to be the biggest puzzler of all. 6) Matt Smith- just pure excellence, but can someone explain his bi-polar actions in the Tardis? One minute pissed he fuck off and the next happy as larry? This one has thrown up more questions than answers, and has thrown what i thought of the series on its head. The Silence is not what it seems. Is the underlying theme of it all to do with rebirth?

  • April 24, 2011, 2:58 a.m. CST

    timesfool - River's worst day

    by berserkrl

    "What is River Song's 'worst day?' I'm sure that's to come. " She explained to Amy exactly what it was. It's the day she first meets a Doctor who doesn't remember her. And of course that's a day we've already seen, back in series 4. She says she'll die on that day, presumably meaning it metaphorically, but of course she does, literally.

  • April 24, 2011, 3:04 a.m. CST


    by berserkrl

    Sorry, I meant she explained to *Rory* exactly what it was.

  • April 24, 2011, 3:14 a.m. CST

    "What they represent is a MUCH bigger deal..."

    by sam jacksons wig

    The Moffs words on confidential regarding the arse-faced memory challenging aliens.... ...guesses start here...

  • April 24, 2011, 3:31 a.m. CST

    Moff confirms that the BIG plot line for Series 5...

    by sam jacksons wig the Amy Pond pregnancy.

  • April 24, 2011, 3:50 a.m. CST

    by sam jacksons wig

    by emeraldboy

    dont you mean series 6

  • April 24, 2011, 3:55 a.m. CST

    TARDIS Cloak

    by HornOrSilk

    Well, it is invisible in The Invasion, so maybe the Doctor now uses that ability and not just as an accident now.

  • April 24, 2011, 3:59 a.m. CST

    emeraldboy- yup, I did. Still hung over from BBQ last night.

    by sam jacksons wig

  • April 24, 2011, 4:02 a.m. CST

    Why would it need to be cloaked if it has a perception filter?

    by sam jacksons wig

    Doesn't the Tardis have an ability just NOT to be noticed? Parking it in the middle of a venetian market, and no-one remotely goes "oh, what the fuck is that blue bastard??" I would look at this as just another tweak to it's arsenal, one to service the plot point of how to get into the whitehouse oval office unseen.

  • April 24, 2011, 4:06 a.m. CST

    Tardis plot device

    by 2LeggedFreak

    If indeed this is all going to get a bit intertwiny with previous events then the Tardis clanking to a halt where-ever previous Doctors and companions are is going to be very noticable without this plot device.

  • April 24, 2011, 4:08 a.m. CST

    Again, in The Invasion...

    by HornOrSilk

    The TARDIS's visual stabiliser is damaged rendering the TARDIS invisible. Being invisible is dangerous because one can really lose the TARDIS this way. If the chameleon circuit is working, one at least has an object to look for and find -- but if invisible, easy to lose it. So it is best not to be invisible unless necessary. And, as we have seen, the Doctor thinks it causes other problems (like not being able to use the scanner) so he also has not done it to "take a peak" at various places. Nonetheless, we have had an invisible TARDIS before.

  • April 24, 2011, 4:30 a.m. CST


    by francis

    could be, made flesh?

  • April 24, 2011, 4:36 a.m. CST

    wolvie- no, mate. That will be addressed in ep 4.

    by sam jacksons wig

  • April 24, 2011, 4:37 a.m. CST

    Thought that the River Song mystery-

    by 2LeggedFreak

    Is resolved in episode 7. Isn't Gaimans episode episode 4 ?

  • April 24, 2011, 4:41 a.m. CST

    There is more to the tardis getting lost I am sure of it.

    by sam jacksons wig

    It has happened too many times for it to be co-incidence.

  • April 24, 2011, 4:49 a.m. CST

    The young girl as River

    by HornOrSilk

    I still think that makes the most sense. River said she met the Doctor when very young, as a young girl, and the Doctor got to her, was everything a young girl could want, fantasy made real. She is also a Time Lord, which is why the Doctor eventually teaches her how to pilot a TARDIS. But some bad guy also found River Song as a kid. And wants her. Wants to use her. It knows what she is. Remember, even the body of a Time Lord is wanted because of what it can reveal, imagine a young, living Time Lord, easy to manipulate? And so the bad will get a hold of her, and will turn her against the Doctor, make her hate the Doctor, which is when she goes around doing all kind of bad things (like kill the Doctor). In the end, she is saved from the bad influence, like Anakin in Star Wars... the Doctor knowing it is her and forgiving her is important.. but since he knows in advance... he is able to prepare for it, and overcome it...

  • April 24, 2011, 5 a.m. CST

    Loved the first episode!

    by AstroNerdBoy

    I thought the first episode "Impossible Astronaut" was pretty awesome. I'm stunned when I read some official reviewers talk about how the episode had no plot, or how it was too confusing, or how it was simply a retread of what's already been done. I didn't get that at all as I wasn't confused. I thought episode 1 was nicely setting up episode 2. OK, we've seen people in spacesuits and mystery kids being able to make impossible calls but that didn't bother me at all. Looking forward to next week for sure!

  • April 24, 2011, 5:02 a.m. CST

    hornorsilk - far too cliched!

    by sam jacksons wig

    If Moff has stated (and he has) that the pregnancy is SO important to the plot thread of S6, then the child has to be involved in this somehow. I am convinced it is all paradoxical, and involves Amy becoming her own mother or something along those lines. Besides, the child has an american accent; River Song has not. And don't blow that one away as co-incidence or the accent can change later...

  • April 24, 2011, 5:04 a.m. CST

    I dont know about...

    by emeraldboy

    about the idea of river being the living embodiment of tardis. dont think that really is the case. as for the young girl as the astronaut, that voice sounded scottish. to my ears anyway.

  • April 24, 2011, 5:04 a.m. CST

    and river song doesnt

    by emeraldboy


  • April 24, 2011, 5:04 a.m. CST

    2legged- not River in ep 4 but Tardis made flesh.

    by sam jacksons wig

    River aint the Tardis as Wolvie insinuated.

  • April 24, 2011, 5:05 a.m. CST


    by HornOrSilk

    We have met Amy's mother. She is not her own mother. Amy might be River's mother. How would Amy turn River into a Time Lord? I think that is a big question and might connect to last season. The child having an American accent? So what. She regenerates. She changes. Accents change (just look to the Doctor for that).

  • April 24, 2011, 5:08 a.m. CST

    astronerdboy- what will be more beneficial.....

    by sam jacksons wig

    ...will be next week when you can watch the two episodes back to back as one whole thing. The naysayers will be sated. For most it will feel more complete then; however, (and not spoiling fuck all for you here) the ending of episode 2 will throw up as many questions again and that is where the true head scratching and wild theories will begin. I can't wait to see it all in complete context.

  • April 24, 2011, 5:16 a.m. CST

    hornorsilk - time can be rewritten. Amy said it herself.

    by sam jacksons wig

    And if River is a time lord then why didn't she regenerate in the library? And is there more to what the arse faced alien (I wont call it the silence because I personally don't think it is some kind of minion for a BIGGER bad.) said to Amy in the toilet... ...tell the Doctor what he needs to know and what he doesn't need to know (or along those lines.) I don't think that has anything to do with him dying at all. It was more along the lines of her pregancy, which offers the theory "what have the arse faced aliens got to do with her pregancy?"

  • April 24, 2011, 5:18 a.m. CST

    Oh, and Happy Easter to all of you DocBackers!

    by sam jacksons wig

  • April 24, 2011, 5:20 a.m. CST

    Some more thoughts with the River theory and why it seems to work

    by HornOrSilk

    1) We know she says, eventually, "This is the day the Doctor finds out who I am." She seems to be saying it as if she had lived it, because, she probably did. This story is going to have two River Songs in it. But it won't appear to... because... 2) the bad will be someone who, sometime in the story (at the end) regenerates into the body we know as River Song. 3) This means River is at least the 3rd, but maybe further, regeneration of the young girl. 4) That she is a Time Lord also makes sense with Silence in the Library: how else could she wire up in the library and take everything? The Doctor would have killed himself -- with his regenerations -- to do it, how could someone without that same power equal his sacrifice? 5) I expect she is Amy's child, as well. Here it might go into the story/idea that the Time Lords evolved out of humanity. What if River is the first of the Time Lords, and the big bad knows this? And wants to corrupt the Time Lords from the get go?

  • April 24, 2011, 5:23 a.m. CST

    The library

    by HornOrSilk

    Settles that she is a Time Lord. Remember, it would have killed the Doctor as well! That is why she sacrificed herself! So the Doctor wouldn't have been able to regenerate, either. Think about Mawdryn Undead -- that is what the Doctor was going to do to himself to free the people in the library. River did it. Hence, Time Lord. As for "Time can be rewritten," we are also told "not all points in time can." There are points which are too stable to ever be rewritten.

  • April 24, 2011, 5:24 a.m. CST

    And yes, Christ is Risen

    by HornOrSilk

    I know not all here are Christians, but I will respond to a Happy Easter message, since I am a Christian.

  • April 24, 2011, 5:29 a.m. CST

    hornorsilk- agree wholeheartedly about point 2..

    by sam jacksons wig

    ..I have said myself previously that River Song IS the silence (in the library...) ..and I believe that this entire series will take place in an alternative timeline, one that exists before the events of series 5. River as a timelord is just TOO easy. It needs to be alot more complex than that. People were guessing at that back when she first appeared if I remember rightly.

  • April 24, 2011, 5:35 a.m. CST

    But if she is the first of the time lords

    by HornOrSilk

    That begins to make for more of the complexity...

  • April 24, 2011, 5:42 a.m. CST

    Omega is the first of the Time Lords


    To say otherwise is blasphemy. REPENT SINNER!

  • April 24, 2011, 5:45 a.m. CST

    Saw It, Loved It

    by FloristGump

    Being predominately a Star Wars/Trek fan I never had a huge amount of time for the Doctor growing up, despite my mates all being Who/Blakes-7 nuts. I was all about the Wars/Hitch-Hikers and Trek. That changed in 2005 when Who returned, and after enjoying the McGann TV movie (did we see the regeneration into Ecclestone? Don't think we did. Is that the only one we never got to see?) have followed as a casual viewer ever since. Loved Ecclestone, adored Tennant but have to say Matt Smith is truly the mutts nuts (even despite him bashing into me with his guitar case on a train platform at Euston Station last July as he flew over the gate to catch a train he was late for). One thing I'm loving is it feels more connected to the original Who's than ever, Matt channelling the 'really' crazy Doctor, Patrick Troughton. BTW, the Liz Sladen tribute was lovely (apart from the end music, which was a bit much). So, roll on next week - I am 101% on board (and Karen Gillan - phwoargh! :-p )

  • April 24, 2011, 5:48 a.m. CST

    hornorsilk- human turned timelord?

    by sam jacksons wig

    Again, not plausible. Look what happened to Donna Noble when she intertwined with timelord DNA- it would have killed her if the Doctor had not intervened. The Doc even said that humans couldn't hold that much power. And if we are going on the theory that River Song IS a time lord, then why not Romana? Last we knew of her she was stuck in a parrallel universe, has known and travelled with the Doctor and shared a bond with him. Seems to be as plausible a theory as any I have heard so far.

  • April 24, 2011, 5:49 a.m. CST



    Let him not be forgotten or else I shall look upon the Moff with less forgiving eyes.

  • April 24, 2011, 5:49 a.m. CST

    Ok, she is not a "Time Lord."

    by HornOrSilk

    She is the first of the race which would eventually have a special class called "The Time Lords." We know not all of the race are Time Lords. So, not first of the Time Lords, but first of the Gallifreyans...

  • April 24, 2011, 5:50 a.m. CST

    The difference is called evolution

    by HornOrSilk

    Donna was fully human. Amy's child would be an evolutionary advance from humanity. That is part of the reason why the pregnancy is an issue. How did the child in her womb, which should be a mere human, end up being something more than human?

  • April 24, 2011, 5:51 a.m. CST

    Rassillon set up the time council and thus the term timelord was coined..

    by sam jacksons wig

    ...when the handof Omega became the eye of harmony. So technically doesn't that make Rassilon the 1st timelord?

  • April 24, 2011, 5:56 a.m. CST



    I am right, even when I'm wrong. No tobelerones for you.

  • April 24, 2011, 6:04 a.m. CST

    hornorsilk - how about something far simpler?

    by sam jacksons wig

    Okay, if we accept the theory that Amys child IS River, then why not have the pregnancy manipulated from the get go by those arse faced aliens and their higher power for the ultimate aim... kill the Doctor? It's far easier to swallow than a massive evolution back story.

  • April 24, 2011, 6:05 a.m. CST

    toblerones need restocking before next Saturday

    by Seph_J

  • April 24, 2011, 6:08 a.m. CST

    richard_gere, MMMWWWHAHAHAAHAHAA!!!!

    by sam jacksons wig

    Omega invented Time Travel for he Galifreyans, and can also claim to have created the first "black hole" to power this, but unfortunately he cannot claim the crown of 1st Time Lord..... I have now "shut it..." as I am eating a fruit and nut toblerone.....

  • April 24, 2011, 6:12 a.m. CST

    seph- Easter Sunday...stores closed. Nowhere to buy said confection.

    by sam jacksons wig

    I am sad. Need to get Frozen Renee to send me some post haste!!!

  • April 24, 2011, 6:22 a.m. CST

    Thanks to you guys, now whenever DW comes on

    by Seph_J

    I have a craving for the mighty T. Just out of interest, the fact that Amy didn't remember the Daleks, and that victorian London has collective Cyberking amnesia.... were they dealt with by the cracks in time? I don't think so....but....

  • April 24, 2011, 6:38 a.m. CST


    by emeraldboy

    Season 4 introduced us to river song. season 5 introduced us subtly to the silence. and we all know now what they look like. season 5 was all about amy, her past and present and her future and her connection to the dr. if you look at the beast below there is a scene where she gives the dr a warning to tell him to get out of there at least on a video screen. she has to press a button. and i think she presses eradicate to erase that memory. and did anyone else notice the white flashs before river said rory.... towards the end of season 5 the dr tried to get rory to explain how he ended up as a roman soldier and rory couldnt really explain except to say it was a bit fuzzy. so the silence have been there in the background since season 5 as an undercurrent. even in the episode called the lodger. where something kept tampering with craigs girlfirend's memory and she was heavily pregnant and at the end of that episode we see a space ship decloaking while taking off. that was a silent ship. so taking this to its logical conclusion then amy's house is not a tardis. it is in fact a silent ship. or there was a tunnel nearby. during the big bang, the dr enquires what river is doing in amy's house. and she doesnt really answer but something is using amy's imagination to create this fairy tale world and drag the dr into the pandorica. at the very at of vampire in venice the dr turns to rory and says do you hear that and rory says I dont hear anything but silence. the dr doesnt know what the silence is and neither does river but the silence has been coming after amy to eradicate the dr from her memory and to erase her from history. that is how they take over the planet. and as we know the dr has to start a revolution but it goes to his head. he will rise and then fall so much further... sorry about the long post.....

  • The TARDIS materialised in an invisible state in episode 1 of 'The Invasion' back in 1968. Although, admittedly, that was because of a fault in a mechanism rather than a built-in design of the machine itself.

  • April 24, 2011, 7:36 a.m. CST

    Right... soo much there,

    by V'Shael

    much of it I think is nonsense and not worth commenting on. :) But I do kind of like this back and forth with the idea of Amys child being proto Time Lord. I don't buy it, but I would like to interject a tangent which I think might be interesting. We know that when people travel in time via Tardis, their bodies accumulate Artron energy. (Sarah Janes body still showed signs of it after decades, for example.) We've never seen a pregnancy in the Tardis before. What if, the accumulation of Artron energy is one of the things that makes a Gallifreyan, a Time Lord? And what if, Amy's foetus is now accumulating Artron energy in a way that no human companion of the Doctor has ever done before?

  • April 24, 2011, 7:53 a.m. CST


    by ToughGuyRizzo

    I know it was mentioned before, but man, if you think it was a mindfuck THIS episode, (and I really don't wanna post spoilers) wait till you see next week's ending. I guess we have to treat this ep much like we did The Time of Angels last season where most of us noticed the doctor had his tweed back on talking to Amy...... I liked Imp Astronaut better than Day of the Moon, but neither suck and have set up some good shit for this season. And the TARDIS pool makes a return next ep. River has one of the coolest intros in the series. And for all the nit pickers, River was extremely well received in NYC at the Village East. The number of fans triped from last year, with over 600 people waiting overnight for the premier last week. The Bellhouse in Brooklyn was sold out as well.

  • April 24, 2011, 7:56 a.m. CST


    by ToughGuyRizzo

    Amy hasn't been on the TARDIS in 2 months. She was pregnant away from the TARDIS. Are you saying that in general, her overall time on the TARDIS has had an effect? Or the time from The Impossible Astronaut? But it would be interesting. Someone at the Bellhouse mentioned that to some effect. Good call.

  • April 24, 2011, 8:02 a.m. CST

    If SGU is great, why isn't it promoted?

    by ToughGuyRizzo

    Like the BBC promotes Dr Who? Not bashing it, but what would it take to get people to recognize it? And it would take more than AICN featuring it.

  • April 24, 2011, 8:05 a.m. CST

    Mark Sheppard was Badger in Firefly.

    by Smashing

    It's bugged me that no ones mentioned that once in promoting the show, he was also E-chebs bad dad in Star Trek Voyager.

  • April 24, 2011, 8:07 a.m. CST

    TARDIS Cloak

    by ToughGuyRizzo

    Personally, the Doctor knew he was going into the Oval Office and wanted extra security. It's not like he was landing on some street corner. Everyone in that office is highly alert. So, they probably would have noticed it. However, maybe the cloak also muted the TARDIS' landing sound. (brakes) Plus, I'm guessing Moffett wanted to have a cooler effect when the cloak came off and it saved the Doctors ass. Does it make sense? Absoutley not. Did it work for TV and get a reaction? Yup.

  • April 24, 2011, 8:07 a.m. CST

    Right, the child...

    by HornOrSilk

    Regenerates. Again, this goes with all I've been saying. The child is Amy's daughter, who is later seen regenerating. And it seems that in episode 7 there will be two Rivers, one who does something which reveals who she is, one which is telling us that this is the "day" all is revealed. It seems to me this would be done with a regeneration -- where we see someone regenerating into River Song... and that is how the Doctor finds out she is a Time Lord (and probably at this stage, working with the big bad). It seems like it goes this way: River (I still say Amy's child) was a young girl when she first sees the Doctor. She is enthused, especially because of the Doctor trying to save her from Amy. But that enthusian is a love/hate one. The Doctor who she felt so much thanks for, initially, abandons her. She regenerates and is found by the big bad. Cliche or not, it seems like we will have a kind of Darth Vader like story: someone who is good turned to the dark side through anger and resentment, only to be turned back again (probably because of some self-sacrificial action the Doctor does for her). After that, she is reformed and the River we know is the reformed, thankful one, often on her own trail, trying to fix things she hurt in the universe, paying for her own crimes in prison. She has probably had several evil regenerations which the Doctor and her are in conflict -- but in them all, she always has a love/hate thing for him, while he has some feelings for her knowing the good River which will come one day; and yes,I think the good River and the Doctor have a series of adventures together beyond what we see.. --- And the final mind-fuck? If I would write it and pull it all off, the final mind-fuck is that the one who tainted River in the first place is.. the Valeyard...

  • April 24, 2011, 8:08 a.m. CST

    Wait V'Shael...

    by Smashing

    2 years after he left the show he resurrected you're now blaming RTD's writing on the varying acting performances? LAME.

  • April 24, 2011, 8:08 a.m. CST

    Mark Sheppard

    by ToughGuyRizzo

    He's better in Day of the Moon

  • April 24, 2011, 8:10 a.m. CST

    @dioxholster - We make it seem more exciting than it is?

    by V'Shael

    This from the guy who complained he couldn't follow the dialog because the Doctor spoke too quickly? Gimme a break.

  • April 24, 2011, 8:10 a.m. CST

    [dioxholster- with all due respect, this IS a DW talkback.

    by sam jacksons wig

    Its not the time for a forum on the merits of SGU being a great show. May I suggest that you save your arguments for another thread, mate? Not very many of us here are really interested. Ta.

  • April 24, 2011, 8:13 a.m. CST

    Spoke too quickly??

    by ToughGuyRizzo

    30 of us Doctor Who fans in Brooklyn last night (4 brand new to the series) had no problem getting the jokes & dialogue. However, alcohol was involved so they might have been laughing anyway....

  • April 24, 2011, 8:19 a.m. CST

    @Smashing - What the fuckity fuck are you twittering about?

    by V'Shael

    I mentioned RTD once, in the context that he has a poor grasp of SciFi. Something I said from day one, by the way. Where in hell did I "blame" him for varying acting? What sort of fucked up parallel world are you in, where you feel free to criticise posts that haven't even been made?

  • April 24, 2011, 8:38 a.m. CST

    Valeyard, Omega, Rani et.c.....

    by sam jacksons wig

    Haven't we been through those trains of thought before, and haven't they been de-bunked? I as a big proponent of the Rani's return, but now I feel that is highly unlikely. Again, the Valeyard would be great but don't we have another regeneration to go before that happens? (beyond the 12th...?)

  • April 24, 2011, 8:38 a.m. CST

    smashing/V'shael- come on guys, play nice now!!

    by sam jacksons wig

  • April 24, 2011, 8:41 a.m. CST

    Not getting Amy's Baby Astronaut.

    by Perigee

    That was my first thought, too... but the more I thought about it, what would an 8-year old kid born of a 2011 woman be doing hanging around in 1969... with a full sized, adult body? That was no midget spacesuit... Whatever that face may Represent, it isn't - couldn't be - what was in that suit. Either that, or somebody really fell down on continuity. Or the kid is Baby Huey. I think I do buy that the NASA suits block some of the alien's ability to erase/read memory - which is why the shooter (still think it's River) wears it during the assassination, so as not to give The Doctor's game away.

  • April 24, 2011, 8:48 a.m. CST


    by HornOrSilk

    Well, it's not been debunked, really. We don't know. And we must not assume that things like this can't be brought back. Yes, the Valeyard comes from the Doctor's future, but he is also one who is willing to interfere with the past. That is very telling. We don't have to wait for the incarnation, but rather, we can have him out of sequence, too. In my mind, the Valeyard is not exactly "evil" as much as all the dark side of the Doctor come together, willing to do anything it takes to fix everything he has done wrong via the Time War. He blamed the High Council for the Time War, therefore, he was going to execute them, hoping it would prevent the end of Gallifrey. And so it seems to me he would be River's Doctor. The one she has the most adventures with. He is bad in the ordinary sense, the villian even, just he has the ideal of might makes right and he wants to right everything even if it takes collateral damage (to himself as well). But even if it is not the Valeyard (I just think it would help the whole story and how the big bad quickly got to River as a young girl), I do think we will see some sort of Darth-Vader like story behind River Song.

  • April 24, 2011, 9:02 a.m. CST


    by ToughGuyRizzo

    Anyone get that vibe from the Astronaut in the water?

  • April 24, 2011, 9:04 a.m. CST

    River Song

    by thesubcultureleeds

    She's totally Amy Ponds child

  • April 24, 2011, 9:07 a.m. CST

    Hrrn. Astronaut shrinks.

    by Perigee

    Well, there goes that: nearly the last frame of the Next Week teaser shows the Astronaut shrunk down to kid-sized...

  • April 24, 2011, 9:12 a.m. CST

    To Various...

    by Kelvington

    v'shael you are correct he was just wearing normal specs. My mistake! hornorsilk & scratchmonkey that's cool, I just couldn't remember it as capability. My memory isn't what it should be. And you are right about accents change, in the TV movie the master sounded almost American. LOL 2leggedfreak I think river showed us it can land quietly, and even in the old series I think it landed unnoticed quite a bit. You know I remember a time last summer, near the end when we all swore up and down that Amy's house was a TARDIS, and River was the Rani, etc. etc. etc. I think we will have to just wait and see, SM will probably make us all wrong again. Which will be fun.

  • April 24, 2011, 9:20 a.m. CST

    Oh and one other thing...

    by Kelvington

    When in America, every thinks like Americans? While I loved the gun bit that was hilarious! Both the Doctor and Rory use American terms instead of British ones which bugged me a bit. The Doctor said Amy put on a few pounds, not stone. And Rory called it gasoline not petrol which bugged me a lot. And yes I KNOW it was written on the side of the can, but still. Let us not American-ize Doctor Who too much.

  • April 24, 2011, 9:26 a.m. CST

    While in Rome...

    by Perigee

    An interesting - but Ubergeeky - take on the Americanization, kelvington; Everywhere the Tardis goes, the inhabitants speak in native tongue, and are able to communicate with the locals. Perhaps because American is nigh-English, we're just seeing the babelfish effect more clearly.

  • April 24, 2011, 9:29 a.m. CST

    [dioxholster] Time for me to punch you in the face with a fist named "Reality"


    First of all; if you expected to wander onto a TB and start trolling without repercussions then you were dead wrong, son. "Doctor Who's stories are the most irrelevant mambojambo i ever seen" - Bwaaaaaa! My name is Dioxholster and I don't understand something! Bwaaaaa! Someone call the Bwaaaambulance! "why is this show thrusted upon us by AICN?? they should give more room for other cool stuff like SGU and spartacus" - I'll give you Spartacus. That's a top show. But SGU? To paraphrase Bobby DeNiro in Copland: "SGU had it's chance and it BLEW IT". Remember when AICN posted pictures of upcoming SGU episodes and the talkbacks consisted, you and probably some other dude? I don't even remember those talkbacks making the top ten. Look where this talkback is, motherfucker. NUMERO UNO. "since aicn chose to dismiss SGU as second rate show, ill have to correct that perception and remind everyone how awesome it was for as long as i live" - Translation: I'm going to TROLL other tallbacks because nobody is watching a show that I like. Bwaaaaaaa! Didn't I already ask someone to call me a Bwaaaaambulance? Fuck you [Dioxholster], you petty troll. Enjoy talking about the last episode of SGU with the other 0.861 people who saw it (according to Wikipedia). Oh yeah, and enjoy season three of that show too. - CBTML (Aka The Troll Buster)

  • April 24, 2011, 9:33 a.m. CST

    @Kelvington - She had only put on a few pounds

    by V'Shael

    What could he have said? "Well, you've put on about a sixth of a stone, but I wasn't going to say anything?" Pounds and stone are both used in the UK, but since a stone is an old imperial measurement for 14 pounds, you wouldn't use it unless Amy had really blimped out.

  • April 24, 2011, 9:34 a.m. CST

    @CBTML - ouch...

    by V'Shael

    That is all.

  • April 24, 2011, 9:49 a.m. CST

    v'shael you are correct...

    by Kelvington

    but I hoped he would have said, "You're a bit Postman". LOL

  • April 24, 2011, 9:59 a.m. CST

    Stray thought. The spaceman isn't River or another Doctor.

    by V'Shael

    The Spaceman is the last of the Silents. He needs the spacesuit so that people who see him kill the Doctor, will remember what they've seen. The last Silent, which Amy sees in 2011, is the one which gets into the suit and kills The Doctor's clone. Just a rambling thought....

  • April 24, 2011, 10:01 a.m. CST

    Christian-bale.... just WOW matey!!!

    by sam jacksons wig

    I had attempted to be nice in telling him to fuck off a few posts up, but that is insanely excellent, my friend!!

  • April 24, 2011, 10:09 a.m. CST

    perigee- the suit can apparently move on its own...

    by sam jacksons wig

    ...and the Big Bad that is controlling it has allegedly kidnapped the girl inside it, that is why the Doc went a bit mental when Amy, thinking that by shooting the Astronaut dead would erase the events of the Docs death, hit the girl inside, and susequently set into motion an event that concludes next weeks episode..... ....and it's a fucking hum-dinger!!!

  • April 24, 2011, 10:11 a.m. CST

    v'shael- that was a bit rambling for you.....

    by sam jacksons wig

  • April 24, 2011, 10:18 a.m. CST

    The Cybermen cometh! Link to photo of cybermen from ep. 7 (spoiler)

    by sam jacksons wig And it just happens to have someone there dressed as a roman soldier....

  • April 24, 2011, 10:23 a.m. CST

    Yes, I've seen that picture before

    by HornOrSilk

    And he is dressed as a Roman soldier. It indicates that he is playing up as the Auton Rory I believe - I think he is trying to play that role to interact and spy on the Cybermen

  • April 24, 2011, 10:25 a.m. CST

    MERRICK, have you convinced HARRY to watch yet?

    by siouxfire

    He's been saying he'll get around to it for ages (which is probably a good thing) but it's the perfect time

  • April 24, 2011, 10:35 a.m. CST

    It's not a movie, so Harry isn't interested.

    by V'Shael

    Plus, he's apparently not good with things which require a bit of adult thought, like Inception.

  • April 24, 2011, 10:52 a.m. CST

    Are we REALLY interested in what Harry thinks of Doctor Who??

    by sam jacksons wig

    You would get the usual bullshit review he always gives abeit changing a few words to suit the topic. You only have to read his sneek and peek bluray/dvd release section to know just how loquatious he really is. Personally I am glad he has fuck all to do with this, as I am that Herc hasn't just gone and done one of his cut and paste jobs. Leave DocBacks to the DocBackers thank you very much.

  • April 24, 2011, 11:12 a.m. CST

    Yikes - nekkid Doctor Poster.

    by Perigee

    For you guys that may not have seen this yet; one of my hobbies is prop collecting, and I was alerted to this on one of the boards. QMX, a replica prop company, released this last night, immediately after the episode:

  • April 24, 2011, 11:13 a.m. CST

    Viewing Figures (UK)

    by Blackhand2010

    Not good... damned unseasonable weather.

  • April 24, 2011, 11:17 a.m. CST

    Harry's Review Would Look Something Like This:


    Harry here. So, here it is folks! My review of DOCTOR WHOS “The Improbable Astronaught” which aired a few nights ago on BBCA. Now, before I start to tell you what I thought about this episode, let me tell you about how Yoko and I used to talk about time travel a lot when we started dating. Ive been interested in time travel since I saw the 1979 movie “Time After Time” which starred Malcolm McDowell and David Fucking Warner. Yoko and I... [EDIT THE NEXT THREE PARAGRAPHS TO GET TO THE REVIEW] So, there’s this guy called The Doctor who is a bit like Christopher Lloyd in Back To The Future and he travels around with Amee and her husband Ronald. Let me tell you how exciting. the opening was. We saw ancient Greece where The Doctor was getting a picture done and also Vietnam where The Doctor was up to something. Before you could say “CHOCOLATE COVERED PUSSY JUICE”, the Doctor was DEAD! I was screaming and flapping my arms around, and Yoko had to slap me. It was so exciting. He was killed – but he wasn’t dead. No, he was actually instead. This is where it got really hardcore as we jumped back in time to meet President Nixon who was getting these phonecalls from a girl and he’d hired this badass CIA agent to deal with the problem which was. Anyway, The Doctor arrives in his TARDY and they proceed to find some clues which take them to a building in Florida? In the building, the badass CIA agent does some badass stuff whilst Roland and River Song discover something underneath. And let me tell you – their witnessing is kind of amazing! Upstairs, The Doctor and Amee are confronted by a man in a only it wasn’t a man at all but a little girl. And then Amee admits that she’s pregnant. ID LIKE TO MAKE THAT GIRL PREGNANT. With my cock! *Giggles* All in all it was exciting stuff and I look forward to tuning into next weeks episode which is called “THE YEAR OF THE MOON” and the next time trailer makes it look like someone shat a milkshake of awesome out of their ass and that we all get to drink it. You can buy the preveous season of Doctor WHO by clicking on the cover below. Go ahead. It will take you to AMAZON and we get some money out of it so that would be

  • April 24, 2011, 11:18 a.m. CST

    @kelvington Black Secret Service agent

    by Phil Lamarre

    Just to let you know it wouldn't be out of the realm of possibility to have a black Secret Service agent in 1969. The first would have been in 1961 his name was Abraham Bolden. Did Nixon have a head of security that was black...probably not. I do understand the point you're trying to make but I wouldn't get so upset about things that aren't that big of a deal in the grand scheme of the show. Remember even though there was loads of racism in this country back then, I would say most people were not racist.

  • April 24, 2011, 11:23 a.m. CST

    @Blackhand2010 - Viewing figures aren't QUITE as important

    by V'Shael

    as the audience share, in the sense that, if for some reason like the weather, there was an overall national decrease in telly viewing, it affected everything and not just Doctor Who. Last years first episode, the BBC said audience figures peaked at 8.4 million and averaged eight million, an audience share of 36.9%. This year, The Impossible Astronaut had an average audience share of 36.7%. Figures peaked at seven million, and will be pushed up slightly with the iPlayer and other online viewing figures. (Usually no more than half a million.) So it's VERY comparable to last years first episode.

  • April 24, 2011, 11:23 a.m. CST

    River killing the Doctor at beginning of episode

    by Phil Lamarre

    River can't be the person in the Astronaut costume at the beginning. At the start of the episode she's already in prison for what she did, so if she was the one in the astronaut suite she would have already knew it and wouldn't have been shocked that The Doctor was killed.

  • April 24, 2011, 11:27 a.m. CST

    @Evilred - But there's a Silent nearby

    by V'Shael

    How do we know that River would remember the event? Also, couldn't River be lying? If she knew for example, she had killed a clone or something, but Amy had to believe it was the Doctor because the aliens could read human minds... I'm just saying, it's not impossible. A bit of theorising can make it utterly plausible.

  • April 24, 2011, 11:27 a.m. CST


    by Perigee

    The thing is, I didn't take her as shocked; in fact, she went out of her way to make sure the assassination was not interfered with. Taking a shot at herself - via self loathing for the act, or trying to avoid the stormcage - is reasonable. It also explains her comment of "..of course not.." That's my current take - sure to be proven wrong. My powers of Who precog have been total garbage so far. Still, it's better than doing something productive on Sunday.

  • April 24, 2011, 11:34 a.m. CST

    Taking a shot at herself

    by HornOrSilk

    I expected she were a better shot. It did indeed seem like she wasn't too shocked, and more importantly, was trying to protect Amy and Rory instead of the Doctor.

  • April 24, 2011, 11:39 a.m. CST

    "...of course not.."

    by Phil Lamarre

    I simply take that as a comment of course it couldn't be that easy to kill what just killed the doctor. My question is why is she in prison for something she hasn't done yet? That doesn't really make much sense. It makes far less sense then her being able to just leave the stormcage whenever it seems she pleases

  • April 24, 2011, 11:43 a.m. CST


    by quintana007

    That was hilarious! Thank you

  • April 24, 2011, 11:44 a.m. CST

    better shot

    by Phil Lamarre

    It's seems she's a better shot with a Blaster and not a six shooter . And remember the Doctor told them not to interfere not matter what happened. Amy was the only one of the three that tried to do something.

  • April 24, 2011, 11:45 a.m. CST

    I think the Doctor killed himself

    by quintana007

    because of an timeaccident or something he exists double.

  • April 24, 2011, 11:46 a.m. CST

    She is willingly in prison

    by HornOrSilk

    And River Song is a time traveller... so things will be mixed up...

  • April 24, 2011, 11:49 a.m. CST

    evilred you are correct...

    by Kelvington

    It's funny a friend of mine Kelly pointed that out to me too. I think it bugs me because it paints us as being better than we were. And racism was a part of life back then, and to just gloss over it or ignore it is wrong, because young people will see this show and go, well it couldn't have been that bad Nixon had an African-American as head of his detail. But the reality was, I grew up in the US, and even in the mid to late sixties .... well north of the Mason Dixon line, there were "Whites Only" and "Colored Only" water fountains and restrooms. So I think getting that right is important. Almost as important as not portraying Churchill as a hugely obese guy. He was NEVER that fat. But you are correct African-Americans were assigned to various president's details as far back as 1960.

  • April 24, 2011, 11:56 a.m. CST

    River's a crack shot...

    by Perigee

    But I'm willing to bet there's something in the time rule book about the ability to kill your future self. Which would again move the Doc out of the suit, River back in, and "of course not."

  • April 24, 2011, 11:57 a.m. CST

    River Song: Time Traveler

    by Phil Lamarre

    Yes she certainly is a time traveler. And time travelers can jump back and forth in time. But still each traveler has their own specific timeline. So if River Song hasn't experience first hand killing the doctor yet then that River Song would not be in jail yet

  • April 24, 2011, 12:03 p.m. CST

    Exactly River is a crack shot

    by HornOrSilk

    She wasn't trying to hit the astronaut... and what if she knows? I think she does. The Doctor knows it will happen, and approves of it when it does

  • April 24, 2011, 12:10 p.m. CST

    Why are you still assuming she has no first hand experience?

    by HornOrSilk

    What makes you think she didn't know what happened? Nothing in her actions appears to be one of shock, and it still seems she puposefully missed shooting the astronaut. River knows a lot of what is going to happen, but doesn't tell anyone - SPOILERS

  • April 24, 2011, 12:22 p.m. CST


    by Phil Lamarre

    I think you might want to watch the opening again, she seems just as out of the loop as Amy and Rory, and the look on here face when the astronaut shoots the doctor is a face of terror. Her being the astronaut makes no sense with all that has been set up and believe me I'm taking into account all the Timey-Whimey time travely stuff into consideration. This is a new experience for River Song just as much as it is for Amy and Rory

  • April 24, 2011, 12:24 p.m. CST

    Richard Gere

    by 2LeggedFreak

    You are not the messiah, you are very naughty boy. No, alright, you are the Messiah. That was brilliantly funny...thanks. By the way on my umpteenth peek at last nights show I noticed that when Amy was in the ladies and says"I remember" she wasn't just referring to the Silent at the Doctors death, but something about the shooting as well. I wonder how many "takes" there were of the Doctors death and was the Silence there to enable the Doctor to "edit" what actually happened. These Timelords, they are sneaky critters.

  • April 24, 2011, 1:41 p.m. CST

    dear god...

    by emeraldboy

    this season 6 is going to all fucked up. really screwy. it can be a good thing to have the rug pulled from under you as a viewer and that was what I liked about the early series of lost.

  • April 24, 2011, 1:52 p.m. CST

    so for the dr to set up his own death...

    by emeraldboy

    is mind blowing. what if this dr stole a tardis and his nemesis whoever that is wants it back in one of the season 6 trailers we see the dr holding a small glowing cube. or not just a tardis but something else and somehwere in the dr's timeline he pissed somebody off by stealing this object.

  • April 24, 2011, 1:52 p.m. CST

    Just a wild thought....

    by scriptgirl_nipples

    What if the spacesuit is a type of working chameleon circuit TARDIS?

  • April 24, 2011, 1:58 p.m. CST

    Brilliant episode!

    by alexander

    My God I'm glad they gave Toby Haynes more episodes to direct. He really makes the best use of great production design (although the oval office was a bit dodgy or unconvincing maybe) while doing his own thing, putting an imprint that is unmistakably his but now new Who's, hooray! Have two basic thoughts i need to get off my chest: 1) I am now pretty convinced in the theorising part of my brain (with caution) that River Song is in fact the child of Amy and Rory... 2) subsequently it's also likely River Song is ALSO the Doctors wife or a soulmate of sorts! .. AND the little girl? (..and please God The Rani! Please have it turn out River is Rani! Although i wouldn't bet based on all the evidence thats going to happen. Although, we still don't know much about Amy...). The rest of what we've been told about River, Amy's private knowledge etc follows... That's the best I've got, or my honest impression right now...

  • in a time-travelers wife kind of way

  • April 24, 2011, 3:04 p.m. CST

    how sick (as in twisted) would it be if

    by alexander

    actually Rory dies, Amy and The Doctor hooked up and made that baby at some point were not aware of, the baby is River Song, she knows, he doesn't? Very, very much indeed... takes kissing your sister to a whole new level...

  • April 24, 2011, 3:34 p.m. CST

    loved that ending scene in the oval office

    by belowzeros

    Moffat just has a really great gift for this stuff. thank god rtd got the boot, best thing to happen to Who since the reboot. matt has really come into his own, he just owned that scene in the oval office when he had his feet up on the desk. kudos. i was very sad when I read about sladen's passing. I can easily say that Tom Baker and Sladen were the ones that peaked my curiousity about scifi when I was 8 or 9 watching I think the Robot on PBS repeats back in the 70s. I was glued to the set as a kid, riveted. Now some 30 something years later it's just a treat to see the new kid doing his thing in one of the most enjoyable must see shows on tv each week.

  • April 24, 2011, 4:09 p.m. CST

    by dj_bollocks

    So River can shoot off a stetson ("Stetson's are cool" at 20 paces but can't hit an astronaut at the same distance...

  • April 24, 2011, 4:24 p.m. CST

    why do people here assume that russell t davies was fired

    by emeraldboy

    if you have the proof then fine. the fact is that davies had a 4 contract with the bbc. and in that time he resurrected dr who and created torchwood and then moved on when his contract was finished. and took the idea of torchwood with him to the us.

  • April 24, 2011, 4:37 p.m. CST

    a question...

    by emeraldboy

    in season 5 how the hell did rory become an auton. they havent really explained that.

  • And what does she say when her shots have no effect?

  • April 24, 2011, 4:40 p.m. CST

    When the Silence falls ...

    by FuzzyLumpkins

    Will that be a good thing or a bad thing?

  • April 24, 2011, 4:47 p.m. CST

    Auton Rory

    by HornOrSilk

    They did explain it. The Nestene built things based upon Amy's room, which included pictures of Rory. The thing is, somehow, the creation was so good, it also connected to Rory's soul (so to speak), so that the Auton Rory was at once a Nestene and Rory. Oh, and RTD wasn't fired. He just thought he did enough and wanted to move on. I'm not sure why people would think he was fired, either. It was clear that he thought about ending Doctor Who himself -- but the show was too popular that it continued; he didn't know what to do after Journey's End (obvious from some of the stories made) because it was his planned end of the series. Yet, it went on, and they looked and decided upon the new lead producer-writer... and the show goes on beyond RTD. Thankfully.

  • April 24, 2011, 4:57 p.m. CST

    i know i'm basically a day late but...

    by oneletter

    does no one get that Steven Moffat's wife's name is Sue Vertue??! man_of_vertue anyone? maybe I'm just too much of a Moff geek, I'll be quiet now.

  • April 24, 2011, 5:28 p.m. CST

    Anyone else notice the 'other' tardis....?

    by Dimpy

    The tunnels beneath the White House lead to the control room of that Tardis-like vehicle that we saw last season in "The Lodger". We even had the voice of a little girl saying "Help me!", as before. So how come River touched it and, from memory, didn't become a pile of dust?

  • April 24, 2011, 5:41 p.m. CST

    dimpy... She didn't turn to dust because...

    by Kelvington

    Either 1) This ship had a pilot (the slience) who were just in the hallways. or 2) She's a TimeLord like the Doctor who also didn't turn to dust. or 3) This ship wasn't really looking for a pilot, and thus she avoided the whole dusting issue. It was however odd, that no one said how big it was on the inside, but since they didn't have a scale to compare it to, unlike the top of a house. The reality was the room was huge and would easily have extended up past where the Doctor and Amy where in the floor above. So in this case, maybe it's deeper on the inside... that's what she said.

  • April 24, 2011, 5:57 p.m. CST

    Doctor drinking the wine

    by Jeffrey Possberg

    Maybe I'm looking too deep into this, but wasn't the doctor's reaction to drinking wine fairly similar to his reaction to various foods at the beginning of S5 (The Eleventh Hour)? I'm wondering if this lends evidence to him being a lot younger than he is saying.

  • April 24, 2011, 7:07 p.m. CST

    Here's a reaction dioxholster:

    by ToughGuyRizzo

    Psyche! I know you clicked.

  • April 24, 2011, 7:14 p.m. CST


    by Cap'n Jack

    That's a joke right? SGU is absolutely horrible. Seaquest was better.

  • April 24, 2011, 7:20 p.m. CST

    You mean GOATSE Trek?

    by Perigee Go to bed; your mom wants to me to fill her Stargate with shimmering fluid, and she said we have to wait until you get your milk and cookies. Do me a favor, and make sure she has that bag over her face before I get there, and the hole lines up right... I don't mind the lard, but that monkey face unnerves me.

  • April 24, 2011, 7:36 p.m. CST

    No, we got the Man Of Vertue as Moff wife reference.

    by V'Shael

    As I said in a much earlier post "the user name in question does at least indicate a not-quite-stalker level familiarity with Steven Moffats biography... "

  • April 24, 2011, 8:02 p.m. CST

    Worlds apart...

    by Rob Sloane

    ...from the first series of Nu Who 2005. Just want to add how sad I am at the loss this week of Elisabeth Sladen and John Sullivan - a very sad week indeed for us BBC'ers. People complaining about the opener seem to have short and selective memories. The series under Stephen Moffat is simply at a whole different level of writing, production and acting. Last season set up the aesthetics and the through-line, while producing some timeless moments; Van Gogh and the surreal starscape - the "Thing-like" cyber head - fishfingers and custard - the future Doctor revisiting Aimee - a crack in a wall. The list goes on. Now we have more intriguing possibilities and a shift in tone. It is clear that a new through-line is developing and we've been promised a cliff-hanger mid-season which will probably come from leftfield and knock everyone for six. For now, I'm just enjoying the setup and looking forward to the payoffs. These are the heady and golden days for fantasy Sci-fi tv -enjoy the great writing, acting and production while it lasts. Keep cool, Ummphoo

  • April 24, 2011, 8:57 p.m. CST

    @Ummphoo - But we like to complain!

    by Perigee

    And second guess - and third guess. And overanalyze. I think it's what I'm really loving best about NuWho, and especially Moffatt - the Internet has made it like a 12-round prizefight with a week in between rounds. In between, we all get to huddle in here and gibber profoundly and have a hell of a great time turning 45 minutes of show into a week's worth of entertainment. For a change, Television isn't passive entertainment for me, and I like crabbing and theorizing and being proved consistently wrong. Heady days indeed - but partially because of the active (if pointless) role we take with it between episodes. Maybe "Lost" did it first, but it sure makes for a great run... and a lonely vigil between series.

  • April 24, 2011, 10:45 p.m. CST


    by HermesTrismestigus

    Since we're making things up..Amy is the Doctor's mother.

  • April 25, 2011, 2:03 a.m. CST

    scriptgirl- nah, the spacesuit has been built by the bad guys...

    by sam jacksons wig

  • April 25, 2011, 2:07 a.m. CST

    Let Dicks-o-holster have his lttle trolling session...

    by sam jacksons wig the end of the day who really cares about a sad pathetic lonley little man living in his parents basement during his middle age years, and having little or nothing else to do than troll TBs and masturbate in his own shit.... ....he will be the kind of arsehole to be found dead in his room 6 months after the event by pure chance (I mean, who is there for to call??) with his sad and lonley tears dried on his pudgy cheeks. Pathetic really.

  • April 25, 2011, 2:11 a.m. CST

    ummphoo - well said!!! However.....

    by sam jacksons wig

    ...don't we just love to dig into things, turn them on their heads and see what makes them tick? One of the best things I find about TBs like this is the wild speculation as well as the amount of love shown for the product. And hopefully during moments of wild speculation a nugget of truth gets through, and to be the one who says "I SAID THAT!!!" is a moment of pure brilliance... .....unless you're V'shael ;) (only joking....)

  • April 25, 2011, 2:14 a.m. CST

    Richard gere!!!! I thought that WAS Harry!!!

    by sam jacksons wig

    The tone, the (mis)spelling and the crappy punctuation; getting the names wrong, constantly referencing your mail order bride while putting yourself over the content and context of the article in question... BRAVO!!!!!!!! I liked it so much that I am going to finish this post and scroll up to read it again!!!

  • April 25, 2011, 2:35 a.m. CST

    aye, here to dioxholster, the poor e and acid casulty

    by alexander

    scat masturbator online prowler... lol

  • Hi folks! Harry here!! I’ll be honest. I’m too emotional a person to watch this season right now. I watched Who when the great Sean Pertwee started things off as the first Doc way back in 1959- it tore me up – and I just can’t imagine watching it again. It’s a brutal show emotionally – and there’s light and hope in there, but goddamn it. This is one helluva great show!! But if you’re as emphatic a movie whore as me, it’s a tough, but worthy ride. Just know that there’s a very strong chance you’ll be affected deeply by the show.... besides BBCA have yet to send me any kick backs. .....My parents used to tune into this a bit on PBS in the 70s and I had a weird nostalgic, “OOOOooh Yeahhhh" as I dressed up in my Macho Man Randy Savage outfit for Yoko while she rubbed Canola oil into my dead thighs... but still I couldn't friggin switch it on you know? Like, some scars run too deep. And holy shit am I whupped by today’s Rehab! They got me in one of those crazy high chairs like we put babies in ,except this one was 6ft wide– and covered me with a sheet before force feeding me 12 sides of beef; it was just like chewing on a teething key. But that and all the crazy creative writing exercises has me feeling like a crack head in a padded cell, silently trembling and muttering various curse words under my breath, so nobody can hear. I will get to Who..... in time..... *giggles* I don’t love Doctor Who, I respect it.

  • April 25, 2011, 3:27 a.m. CST

    Another Harry Review

    by 2LeggedFreak

    "Its hard for me to give an unbiased review of Dr Who. You see one of the main components of the show, Karen Gillian, and her Aimee character are so close to my heart, my life and my disappointments that I tear up incontrollably when I see this version of Who. Many is the time that Yoko has found me blubbing uncontrollably with a box of tissues in my hand, just watching a Who trailer. Yes there is the obvious ginger comparison and the fact that so many people would like to go down on us both. SQUEEEEEE!! But the key thing is that this character has been ill served by the adults around her since a very young age, something that resonates strongly with me. I too had an imaginary friend "Mr Fishy Fingers", and I too was subject ridicule and to visits to the psychiatrist. So this hurts, this show really hurts me. I watched last season and loved it but, there was still the underlying sadness that, at my wedding to Yoko, there won't be the surprise appearance of Mr Fishy Fingers, who'll prove to people that I was right all along.

  • April 25, 2011, 4:20 a.m. CST

    Jesus! This is the most I have seen Harry post on his own site!! arf arf!!

    by sam jacksons wig

  • April 25, 2011, 4:21 a.m. CST

    2legged- Mr Fishy Fingers...? SCCAAAARRRYYY!!!

    by sam jacksons wig

  • April 25, 2011, 5:59 a.m. CST

    I take offense!!!

    by MoffatBabies

    she is not a mail order bride.

  • April 25, 2011, 5:59 a.m. CST

    c what I did there?

    by MoffatBabies


  • April 25, 2011, 6 a.m. CST

    I've watched this ep three times now

    by Evilmeister

    and it really is rather awesome. Moff knows that people will watch it again and again so I'm sure any plot points (like the older doctors tardis) will be covered. Remember how loads of people where moaning that Amy wasnt fully fleshed out, yet by the end of the last series you could see there was a reason for it. Anyway I'm really looking forward to next week and trying to avoid spoilers like crazy. I'm really hoping I dont have a moment of weakness and click on something I shouldnt! I'm guessing that somehow the doctor has to be seen to die by the silence to end their 'rein' over the earth.

  • April 25, 2011, 6 a.m. CST


    by Evilmeister


  • April 25, 2011, 6:02 a.m. CST

    A couple of things to note that I have just seen...

    by sam jacksons wig the episode again and the following: 1) When Amy sees the arse faced alien during the picnic, have alook at the Docs face when she says "Who's that?" (Rory) "Who's who?" (Amy) "Sorry-what?" Very subtle but he DEFINATELY knows what she has seen. Another stunning effort from Smith as he is able to communicate exactly what he is thinking without uttering a word. 2) "Well, you've put on a couple of piunds but I wasn't going to say anything..." Does THIS version of the Doc (or his clone) already know that Amy is pregnant? I would guess so if he is claiming he is from the future. After all, she does end up telling him later in the episode. 3) When the Doc confronts the Astronaut and we get the long shot, he clearly points to the gloved hand (we don't hear him say anything as he is too far away). Could he be telling the Astronaut that he HAS to shoot him? He immediately puts his hands to his sides and bows his head. I believe that we will get to hear this conversation later in the series and that I will be proven correct in this. 4) Both River and Rory are trying to hold Amy back after the shooting. Tthere is alook of abject horror on all of their faces. However, River doesn't move in to rescue until after he has been shot in mid regeneration. I believe that she thought he would be able to complete the process and therefore didn't act quickly. 5) She is clearly aiming for the Astronaut when she shoots at it. You can see the look of malice in her eyes for what it has done before she draws her weapon. "Of course not" means that she has realised why her shots have not hit the mark, and we will join her in her knowledge later in the series.

  • April 25, 2011, 6:16 a.m. CST

    I've been running my whole life- sounds far too hokey!

    by sam jacksons wig

    The more I listen to it the more I think that our Doc of 1103 years ISN'T as old as he makes out he is. Maybe he has an impairment in his memory as a result of being born from the 909 year old Docs DNA and believes he is a continuance of this. So, HornOrSilk, I am becoming increasingly forced to agree with you along the lines of, yes, this version of the Doc is only 200 years old, and this is the Doc that River has been spending her time with. Somewhere long the line things get mixed up....... ...and as such, knowing that certain events in S6 happen before those of S5 can we assume that THIS is what the Back to the Future timeline cross over is about?

  • April 25, 2011, 6:37 a.m. CST

    "He;s interracting with hos own past- it could rip a hole in the universe.."

    by sam jacksons wig

    Convenience? How many times has the Doc visited or been visited by a former/future version of himself, and that's NOT including any children in need specials??? Cracks in time? Not because of the Tardis but because he stumbles upon a version of himself and has done so once too often? Unlikely but plausible.

  • April 25, 2011, 6:45 a.m. CST

    Prince William and Kate have postponed their honeymoon so they can watch "Day Of The Moon"!


    Prince William was quoted saying: "It was rather splendid, that first episode. Grandma told the corgis to quieten down during it, as she was rather engrossed. I said to Kate that we rather need to see how the story ends and then telephoned Mr Moffat to inform him that we would cut off his head if it was, in any way, not up to par."

  • April 25, 2011, 6:48 a.m. CST

    "Home- well you two are; off you pop and make babies..."

    by sam jacksons wig

    Just an aside to Amy and Rory whilst in the Tardis? Or just another little niggle that hints at this Doc not knowing what the picnic Doc did?

  • April 25, 2011, 6:58 a.m. CST

    Just bought the latest SFX

    by 2LeggedFreak

    Has a neat little gimmick in it that makes the Tardis engine noise when you open it. Heh heh !!

  • April 25, 2011, 7:24 a.m. CST

    The 'lil girl...

    by Rob Sloane

    ...if she regenerates at the end of "Day of the Moon" as spoilers suggest and she is Amy's child, then this points to one of three intriguing possibilities: 1) That she is the daughter of the Doctor - if so, then poor Rory, he really is the cukold of the threesome! 2) That time in the TARDIS rubs off (irradiates) companions and their offspring - ties in with Rose activating the Dalek in "Dalek". 3) Some cloning of Timelord DNA - but since that's been done already and there is already a "Doctors Daughter" flying about the Universe I doubt Moffat would retread that plot path. Or she could be a young River Song, which would throw in another level of paradox. This is what is so fun about Stephen Moffat's run on the show -it makes you think and second guess yourself. Wedding, what wedding? Know what I'm watching next Saturday... Keep cool, Ummphoo

  • Joke -- for those who are in the know.

  • If he gets cloned, maybe the Original version goes chasing after him, across all of time and space. And it's the Doctor in the suit. Look at the dialog. "Hello. It's okay, I know it's you." Weird thing to say to a stranger, but not someone you've been running from. "Well then." He does indicate the astronauts hand. I wonder, if the Doctor removed a glove, and touched him, could there be some way he'd absorb the clones mind into his own, or something? So he'd remember everything the clone did/thought/said? And thus not really die? "I'm sorry" Who's he saying that to? Amy? Or River?

  • April 25, 2011, 8:21 a.m. CST

    spoliers revelaed in the uk

    by Candy ass monkey suit

    A lot of the seasons spoilers were revealed ona uk website last week which pissed off moffat understandably, i caught some of the spoilarage myself but won't spoil for others here, all i will say is that its pretty fuckin mental !

  • April 25, 2011, 8:23 a.m. CST

    emeraldbro liked this ep

    by emeraldboy

    and thought it was great, thought the opening was clunky but hadnt a clue what was going on. emeraldbro is also a huge and massive fan of game of thrones and has read all the books, well nearly all. except the dance, which is due to be published very soon.

  • April 25, 2011, 8:35 a.m. CST

    River and Future Doctor's TARDIS

    by Christopher Bynum

    The Doctor had this event planned out. He made sure there were companions there to destroy his body after he was killed. The astronaut used an energy weapon that left no exit wounds on the Doctor's body-no traces of blood for someone to find later. So when he died, there would be no trace of him. So I'm guessing either his TARDIS was destroyed or he did something that would make it inaccessible to anyone after he died. I also think that River was either in on the plan for him being killed, and was playing along by acting shocked and surprised. Either that, or she knew what would happen because she was the astronaut who shot him, in her own personal past. So she knew that the event should play out. But I DON'T think she was expecting to see him again so soon, or that she'd have to keep what happened to him a secret. This is all speculation, so I'm probably wrong. But in all honesty, I absolutely loved the episode, except I was annoyed there was no tribute for Nic Courtney and the Next Time trailer basically fucked up the cliffhanger.

  • April 25, 2011, 8:37 a.m. CST

    ummphoo - HEY, COCKSUCKER


    If you're going to begin a post talking about spoilers for the next episode, at least have the fucking decency to put a warning in your fucking title. I hope you get eaten by fucking shadows, you wretched scumbag.

  • April 25, 2011, 8:56 a.m. CST

    ummphoo - oh mate! Spoilers!!!! Come on now!!!

    by sam jacksons wig

    Yeah, I am one of those who already knew about the en of next weeks episode, but others didn't! This ending is a such a big fucking deal as it sets the tone for things far more important to come! Mate, please take care. I have been far more pleasant than my good friend christian_bale has been. But others will share his sentiments.

  • April 25, 2011, 9:47 a.m. CST

    I'm in a bad mood and, look, here comes fucking Dickholster


    Look asslicker, putting "I do watch both shows" and attempting to sound as though you're a decent guy whilst also slating the show that this talkback was designed for, makes you look like a DICK. I'm fucking suck of you, Dickholster. Stop posting here. Go to a Stargate fansite or something, or send emails to Herc. None of us in this talkback really cares. You think you're going to rope anyone into watching the last few episodes of your dying show by posting here? You're wrong - you're just making us HATE Stargate because, when we think of it, we think of you and your persistant whining. I'm going to extend you the same courtesy you've shown the Doctor Who fans in this Talkback. If your dying franchise ever gets another show (unlikely, thanks to its terrible ratings) and it gets a talkback, I'm going to obliterate that fucker. BELIEVE IT. You're going to remember your bullshit here because every time you look at any new SG talkbacks you'll see me there and I'll be putting it down at every opportunity I get. I've got a memory like an elephant and I don't forgot. You were amusing once. You've worn out your welcome. Fuck you Dickholster. Fuck you with cherries on top, you utter piece of shit.

  • April 25, 2011, 10:18 a.m. CST

    yes ummphoo is a fucker but to be fair,

    by Seph_J

  • April 25, 2011, 10:19 a.m. CST

    so is hornorsilk for doing exactly the same thing earlier.

    by Seph_J

    I hope they are both happy.

  • April 25, 2011, 10:22 a.m. CST

    I didn't read hornorsilk's post


    If I had, then I'd have torn him a new asshole too.

  • April 25, 2011, 10:28 a.m. CST


    by Evilmeister

    Jeez I avoid every fucking spoiler possible and you go and ruin it for me cunt

  • April 25, 2011, 10:30 a.m. CST


    by 2LeggedFreak

    The only one acting like a 7 year old is you. SGU was probably a step too far on a franchise that had run its course . There were elements of Stargate that were great but it got tired in the end. Same kind of thing happened with Trek. These things eventually run their course and run out of steam. As a concept its great though and I hope after a period of rest you get your wish and see some new Stargate. Eventually maybe it will get the recognition it deserves although according to the Guinness Book of Records the longest running science fiction programme of all time and most successful science fiction show of all time are already taken. Can't quite remember what show holds those two accolades---I'm sure it will come to me though.

  • April 25, 2011, 10:32 a.m. CST

    and while I'm at it

    by Evilmeister

    Stargate is badly written, badly acted crap. Apart from Stargate Universe which I kinda like *sits and fumes*

  • April 25, 2011, 10:39 a.m. CST


    by kwisatzhaderach

    Congratulations. You're an idiot.

  • April 25, 2011, 10:40 a.m. CST

    If that was meaning "no disrespect", Dickholder, then you need a dictionary


    "turdis" "I am watching a far superior show" "storytelling that is only a tad better than Blue's Clues. " And that's just from your LAST post here. FUCK YOU and your protests that you "mean no disrespect". You're lucky that Umphoo has pissed me off even more than you, otherwise you'd be number one on my hit list. As it is, you're number two which is entirely fitting for a piece of shit like you. I'll leave you with a joke. What wears a suit and can't count to a million? The guy at Syfy working out the number of viewers for the last episode of SGU.

  • April 25, 2011, 10:40 a.m. CST

    2 years ago

    by kwisatzhaderach

    We were getting shit like Partners in Crime, Planet of the Dead and The End of Time. RTD leaving is one of the greatest things that has ever happened to Doctor Who. And Matt Smith is third best Doctor now, behind only Tom Baker and Troughton.

  • April 25, 2011, 10:44 a.m. CST

    I'd like to watch some Troughton episodes, kwis


    Any recommendations? What does your talkback handle mean, by the way? I'm too lazy to Google it and see if it's a reference to something specific.

  • April 25, 2011, 11:09 a.m. CST

    even I gave up watching stargate...

    by emeraldboy

    as it kept dominating sky's one schedule. stargate has been running on empty. oh look another repeat of stargate episode followed by three more and then more repeats of stargate atlantis. i am now so bored with stargate that really cant be arsed to watch it. it made richard dean anderson very wealthy and that is about all. I do hope that robert carlyle can salvage something out of his career or whats left it. he used to be a great of the very best. those days are over i guess...

  • April 25, 2011, 11:09 a.m. CST


    by 2LeggedFreak

    If there any out there with the Yeti's in the London Underground, they must be worth seeing. Scared me far more as a kid than the Daleks ever did. Also he and Perwee really work well together in the Three Doctors-

  • April 25, 2011, 11:40 a.m. CST

    Thanks 2leggedfreak


    I'll see if I can track down those Yeti ones. I saw some concept art a few months ago for Yetis in the new show. Not sure if they're actually going to be used. (AND NO, UMMPHOO, THAT'S NOT AN INVITE FOR YOU TO TELL ME WHICH EPISODE OF THE NEW SEASON THEY APPEAR IN, IF THEY DO, YOU FUCKWIT)

  • April 25, 2011, 12:03 p.m. CST


    by Seph_J

    Bales fury is completely understandable. It just takes a little bit of thought, hornorsilk & ummphoo. Just a seconds thought to avoid completely ruining something that is very special for some of us. But you couldn't. It hasn't been on TV yet, so matter in question IS A SPOILER. This place is so much better when Dr Who fans discuss the possibilities, rather than ruin the revelations. In fact thats why I stopped coming here. Looks like I made a mistake coming back. Jeez.

  • April 25, 2011, 12:07 p.m. CST

    The little girl

    by DieGlazerDie

    My money is on Susan Foreman.

  • April 25, 2011, 12:20 p.m. CST

    I'm making an accusation, Clue style, as to who killed the Doctor

    by Christopher Bynum

    Jim The Fish, on the beach, with the plasma gun.

  • April 25, 2011, 12:50 p.m. CST

    Oh crap

    by Christopher Bynum

    I think I just realized who the girl in the suit is. It's a clone of Jenny.

  • April 25, 2011, 1:49 p.m. CST

    Sam Jackson's Wig

    by Kevin Kittridge

    2) "Well, you've put on a couple of piunds but I wasn't going to say anything..." Does THIS version of the Doc (or his clone) already know that Amy is pregnant? I would guess so if he is claiming he is from the future. After all, she does end up telling him later in the episode. ___________________________________ This is a very fun detail. Well spotted!

  • April 25, 2011, 1:51 p.m. CST

    and Christian Bale...

    by Kevin Kittridge

    "I'm in a bad mood and, look, here comes fucking Dickholster" _____________________________ This made me laugh and laugh at my desk. Luckily my coworkers are used to it by now. Thank you.

  • April 25, 2011, 2:33 p.m. CST

    Thos last several post have served as a decent warning

    by MoffatBabies


  • April 25, 2011, 3:19 p.m. CST

    Top class dialog from Steven Moffat

    by Corwin_X2

    River: He's interacted with his own past; [telling him] could rip a hole in the universe! Amy: But he's done it before. Rory: And, in fairness, the universe *did* blow up. Love it! Moffat has the same gift as Joss Whedon for casual witticisms even in moments of high drama.

  • April 25, 2011, 3:23 p.m. CST

    "They're Americans!!!"

    by MoffatBabies

    One of my faves, actually. I don't think the timing of it made it prominent enough, and may have been missed. But that was damned funny.

  • April 25, 2011, 3:54 p.m. CST

    You're all totally and utterly bonkers!

    by Mister Vertue

    But I love it. What an entertaining read this has been, apart from the person who decided to ruin the end of episode 2 for those who haven't seen it yet. Boo hiss to you. May a plague slowly eat away your fingers and eyes to warn others of their fate if they try to repeat such a disgusting act treachery.

  • Are we really sure a clone of the Doctor will be involved in anyway with the Doctor and Co.? We know the Cybermen will be seen this year because of pictures of the new cybermat and the recent picture of the Cybermen and Rory the warrior, but, seeing Matt Smith dressing and looking differently doesn't mean clone, could mean long imprisonment. Keep in mind, some of you (v'shael, sam jacksons wig, christian_bale_trashed_my_lights, 2leggedfreak and others.) may know spoilers I don't. (And, yes, I am thanking Jesus for 3 (?) episodes with the Cybermen as the main bad guys. I praying that rumor that RTD's Cybermen and the Mondas/Telos Cybermen battle each other. Could that mean Mark Hardy would return as the Cyber Leader?)

  • that should be "I'm praying.....) and "is true" should have been at the end of my second sentence.

  • April 25, 2011, 6:02 p.m. CST

    @axcel1 - "Are we really sure a"

    by V'Shael

    Honestly, I'm not sure at all. I have heard bits and pieces which can be joined together in a certain way that makes sense. So I think it's true, and I'm basing my thinking on the assumption it's true.

  • April 25, 2011, 6:04 p.m. CST

    @man_of_vertue - Yeah, it's 1000 monkeys bashing at keyboards

    by V'Shael

    We'll never get Shakespeare or Moffat, but between the 1000 of us and enough time, we could probably knock out an issue of Weekly World News...

  • April 25, 2011, 6:25 p.m. CST



    You're not Steven Moffat, right? I may as well as ask you directly, seeing as everyone keeps speculating about it.

  • April 25, 2011, 6:34 p.m. CST



    I know no spoilers. Well, at least I didn't until that fuck Ummphoo came along. In a perfect world, I'd own my own TARDIS and would go back in time with a hypnotist and get his mother to fall in love with a baboon instead of a human being. And then I'd spend my time repeatedly killing their baboon-human child Ummphoo with a harpoon gun before travelling back with my TARDIS and doing it again. The only downside is that he wouldn't know why he's repeatedly being killed. But it's a small downside.

  • Let's use the term, inside information.

  • April 25, 2011, 7 p.m. CST

    "Ghost Train"

    by HornOrSilk

    I think people need to remember this season has been described as a "Ghost Train" story to last year's fairy tale. We have discussed how this season will deal with events which happened last season. I think first we might find out the Doctor himself was not properly brought back by Amy. She waited too long. The Doctor is, in a way, a ghost in the universe. Perhaps this has created all kinds of problems... which will require him to go back in time and fix it all. I'm wondering, what if he were, as a ghost, saying "Silence will fall" to River Song, trying to warn her, trying to prevent some things which will happen later in this season? Speculation, but I think it also fits with the spoiler-image with Rory...

  • April 25, 2011, 7:14 p.m. CST


    by bravogolfhotel

    Unfortunately, the story with the Yeti in the Underground ("The Web of Fear") was one of the stories lost when the BBC began purging its archive of b&w WHO (a long, sad story). Some surviving Troughton stories worth checking out include "The Mind Robber", "The Seeds of Death", and "The Tomb of the Cybermen".

  • April 25, 2011, 7:17 p.m. CST

    Watch The War Games before Episode 4

    by HornOrSilk

    Just a suggestion. Yes, it is a long story. It is good, though it could probably been shortened by two episodes and would still be a classic. But it is a classic as it is. Nonetheless, hints which have been given out indicate it has some connection to The Doctor's Wife.

  • April 25, 2011, 7:40 p.m. CST

    Weird, Bonkers Doctor...

    by Perigee

    If it is true that everything is important, does anybody want to guess at what the deal is with all that bizarre behavior he demonstrated during that swath of time in the opening minutes? What's the deal with him showing up in Laurel and Hardy's "Sons of the Desert" - not just showing up, but showing off like Chaplin in "Kid Auto Races?" Are we to assume the film was _released_ that way now, with one of the most iconic scenes of that comedy duo stomped through by some strange guy with a fez - or was it a special broadcast?

  • April 25, 2011, 7:52 p.m. CST

    blue envelope

    by Dana

    I'm new here and I haven't read every message; I have to say, from what little I've read, this place could use a little moderation. That said: why is it that Amy, River and Canton3 can figure that the blue envelope is from the Doctor but our brilliant Doctor cannot?

  • April 25, 2011, 8:22 p.m. CST


    by Rob Sloane

    ...are actually something I keep clear of - the, ahem, one I touched on was speculation based on an earlier post as was the possibilities I posited for 'the little girl'. *Spoiler alert* -I don't know for sure that the little girl does recycle her extraterrestrial deoxyribonucleic, but if she *does* then everything leading to that was conjecture. It's fun trying to guess what discombobulation Mr Moffat has up his alchemists sleeve. I hope the discourse can continue in the spirit of these Doctor Who talkbacks; that is to say, with insight, shared pleasure at having great SF writing on UK / US TV and a modicum of wit. Keep cool, Ummphoo

  • April 25, 2011, 8:28 p.m. CST

    Oh and...

    by Rob Sloane

    ...I thought of another possibility - that the 'little girl' is actually a Chameleon Arch vessel for the spirit / real Timelord DNA; as in "Family of Blood" -so she may be the 'deus ex' for the Doctor to return beyond his supposed death. End of the conjecture. Keep cool, Ummphoo

  • April 25, 2011, 9:35 p.m. CST


    by DieGlazerDie

    You mean like The Watcher in Logopolis? "It's the end, but the moment has been prepared for..."

  • April 25, 2011, 10:38 p.m. CST

    Premiere episode good but underwhelming.

    by mistergreen

    Hope the season picks up.

  • April 25, 2011, 11:11 p.m. CST

    Hey Merrick, good job

    by JackSlater4

    at not being Hercules

  • April 26, 2011, 2:29 a.m. CST

    mistergreen- think of it as only half the story so far...

    by sam jacksons wig

    The only recent analagy I can bring to mind is th Harry Potter 7th movie that has been split in two. It will all pay off next week, but will also throw up more questions than answers that will carry on through the series. Stick with it mate- it will be worth the while!!!

  • time!!!

  • April 26, 2011, 2:33 a.m. CST

    ralph hinkley - Thanks, I do my best.

    by sam jacksons wig

  • "Found myself dozing after about 30 minutes. Had some caffene so I could at least say I saw the whole thing. I have a 1 word response to the premier … boring (not even in caps), just … lower … case … boring." "Ugh, what a boring pos. I forsee this will destined for the recycle bin before the season even gets half way over. What a rip off, so dissapointed. Utter rubbish" "Sorry. Two thumbs down." "It left me completely underwhelmed. I spent ten years watching SG1. I gave Atlantis its five years, though each year got progressively worse. The writing on each show declined, with the last season of each being just plain old pathetic. If SG1 was the TNG, and Atlantis was the Voyager, that makes this the Enterprise. Which pretty much means suckfest" " I think you’re expecting too much of the average American TV viewer" "rther watch my SG1, Farscape & B5 collection for the 100th time than suffer though watching them destroy a franchise"

  • April 26, 2011, 3:36 a.m. CST

    Stargate and disruptives

    by MoffatBabies

    Now, I'm not even going to tolerate anyone equating this post to a kind of support for the disruptive elements here that have probably already driven a few people away from what has become a little bit like a community. No. But... and there's always a but. I just finished watching the latest (and first of the last 3 episodes) of SGU. And it was exciting, moving, well paced, well written and pulled off some epic stuff for a show with what would be considered a limited budget for its attempted scale. The name of the episode was "Epilogue" and it was really outstanding. It was the second part of a 2 part story following the crew of the ship's branching past (in timey wimey terms). In this alternate crew's alternate history, a society is built and the story follows their exploits as the crew learns of their own alternate history through a database underground in the abandoned city of the planet they themselves named "Novus" in the distant past. (I know I must be screwing the telling of this in some way, so sorry in advance) The episode realistically captured what would be a very weird experience for anyone, seeing an alternate past of their own play out before their eyes and ears. Marriages, births, deaths (and yes even Eli gets some action eventually), funerals, more births, more deaths, a town being built, etc etc. Some of it was truly moving and the character arcs were believable , rivaling developments on other shows (especially sci fi) that have taken multiple seasons to play out. Do I think this show is better than Doctor Who? Apples and Oranges, first of all, but ultimately ABSOLUTELY NOT! However, it's also unfair to beat this show up because one or two of its fans are rude, disruptive, or otherwise not in control of their social skills in a very aspergersey way. (I know, not a word) The show deserves, especially after these last few episodes (something common with sci fi under the axe), another chance and I'm shocked that Stargate fans are not up in arms more about it being canceled. You see, I NEVER was able to get into previous incarnations of Stargate. Oh, I tried.. so many times I've lost track. Sure, the humor was sometimes amusing and I liked that they were not afraid to tell the long arcs while somany other shows were forced into the same old "monster/alien/world/end of the world of the week" formulas. But I just could NOT get into it. Ever. I tired quickly of the Canadian forest village of the week thing, found many characters to be awfully drawn, written and performed. I found it to be inconsistent, quality wise, and I couldn't stand Richard Dean Anderson (is that his name?) from day one and still cannot stand him in anything he's been in. I'm sure he's a great guy, but I just cannot tolerate him and especially the way his sense of humor was presented. I gave Atlantis a try and almost started following it, but still just found too many of the characters unbearable. And I'm not someone who is unfair to shows. I avoided Farscape like the plague and when I eventually gave it a real chance and watched several episodes in a row, I was hooked and to this day re-watch it often on DVD. But SGU was different. The characters who are occasionally used for comic relief are not even remotely annoying. Eli , I feared, would be one dimensional and would have his mouth filled with inappropriate and constant sarcasm, but it didn't happen. He was fleshed out, humanized and quickly was very likeable. The less focused on characters were also fleshed out and the writers didn't re-invent their way of acting or reacting every time they were needed for the plot to move forward. Sure it had its weak episodes, especially in season one. But the show improved exponentially, and continued to do so to today. I HATE to see SGU leave, especially considering all of the BS reality TVcrap that Skiffy is programming lately. I would rather have re-runs of Xena than that crap. Many of you wrote the show off because it was either a. Stargate. Some people, like me, just can't get into the franchise. b. It was seen as a way to cash in on (heh.. BSG couldn't, so why even let that idea swim around in your head at all??) the "dark tone" and seriousness of BSG. Both of these reasons are BS. It never went as dark as BSG, and it shouldn't. And it was NOTHING like Stargate ever was, even when RDA showed up in a fat suit... (oh wait, that was really him wasn't it?). I say IGNORE the disruptive folks here and give the show a chance, even though it's almost gone. It will be worth the time and effort. And if you like what you see, do what can be done to let Skiffy know that they're chopping their balls off by stopping it. And even if it isn't your cup of tea after giving it another chance, remember that anything you do to help the show stay on the air is another nail in the coffin of REALITY TV and BS horror, low budget CRAP on the skiffy channel. Oh and I think posting untagged spoilers in Docbacks is MESSED UP. Die in a fire.

  • April 26, 2011, 3:44 a.m. CST

    also I was kind of thinking for a moment

    by MoffatBabies

    That the girl was the doctor's daughter. Just in passing, even though that would not be as remotely interesting as what the Moff has in store for us. I really like the thought that Amy somehow was a little "off" in her re-creation of the Doctor.

  • April 26, 2011, 3:47 a.m. CST

    moffatbabies - I see your point, but.....

    by sam jacksons wig

    ...and there's always a BUT..... We have tried to be nice to this dickhead. Read a few posts up and my attempt to get this moron to shut up and leave without resorting to verbal abuse. It is unfortunate that people like this idiot seem not to take the hint and come back to annoy people with their trolling even more. If one will see reason and then leave- fine. But to come back time after time to deliberately rub people up the wrong way is not to be tolerated. I can understand folks like christian_bale getting bent out of shape. This is NOT an SGU talkback. We can debate the merits of the show on someone elses time and space, but not here. It's just a shame that thing have to get out of hand before knobs like dicksohustler realise they are just not fucking wanted.

  • I didn't dislike SGU because it was stargate. I own 10 seasons of SG-1 and 5 of Atlantis, and the movies. I didn't dislike it because of anything to do with BSG. I disliked it because it was shit. It was terribly plotted, terribly acted, and treated its viewing audience with incredible disdain. Was that enough for me to start trolling message boards and telling everyone to stop watching it? Of course not. Those reasons were MINE. They were valid for ME. It was enough for ME to stop caring about it. I saw no need to try and convince anyone of what was perfectly self-evident. The show did poor ratings-wise in Season 1, and has been cancelled now after Season 2. Clearly, I wasn't alone in my assessment it was shit, even if individual reasons why, were different. "Dick holder" can piss and moan all he wants like the whiny bitch he is. The show is done, it killed the franchise, and virtually no one cares. End of.

  • April 26, 2011, 3:58 a.m. CST

    Well not really "end of" for much of anything.

    by MoffatBabies

    But to each his own. Stargate was shit. But to each his own shit. I don't see how anyone could watch season of villagers in the same Canadian forest and call it watchable, especially with the constant badly-delivered sarcasm spewing out of McGuyver's mouth every 5 seconds and "Warrior Spock" Tilk with his same expression over and over and over. I guess some of the props looked nice. And as far as it being a rip off of some DS-9 episode.. yeah maybe about as much as that was a rip-off of Dickens. In other words... bit of a stretch. It was similar. I'm not convincing you otherwise, so there's that.

  • April 26, 2011, 4 a.m. CST

    Karen on Craig Ferguson.

    by MoffatBabies

    Just watched it earlier and MY GAHD she was adorable and funny. And came across as much geekier than usual. Maybe she was nervous. But I found it adorable. So cute. And just as gorgeous as always. I also love that the TARDIS has not left his desk since before Matt Smith's first appearance on his show. Ferg is a real Who fan.

  • April 26, 2011, 4:30 a.m. CST

    moffatbabies- I have not seen the show and cannot comment on it.

    by sam jacksons wig

    I will again re-iterrate that this is neither the time or forum to begin blagging on about a dead show. Who is alive and kicking rather well. With the Moff in charge and what this series holds in store for us all it is my humble opinion that we will be too busy dissecting this rather than talking about a corpse.... ...unless it is the Doctors.

  • April 26, 2011, 4:58 a.m. CST

    Invitations confusion

    by Dimpy

    Thanks for the reply Kelvington. Something else fishy here... River, Rory and Amy's invitations told them to meet at a certain location somewhere on a highway (to meet up with the Doctor). Canton's invitation told him to turn up at the picnic site (last supper?) So why was the (other) Doctor told to go a diner? Was it the only diner around? How could he know that River, Rory and Amy would turn up there at that time? And anyone else notice the Tardis in the restroom (from which the invited Doctor emerges with his straw)...?

  • April 26, 2011, 5:02 a.m. CST

    Two things with the invitations

    by HornOrSilk

    One, if the first invitation was given to the Doctor, I'm sure it told him everything which was going on. Maybe it's in invisible ink... who knows.. Second, are we really sure he is the one who got the first invitation? Really, really sure?

  • April 26, 2011, 5:26 a.m. CST

    The way I see it

    by MoffatBabies

    I didn't bring it up. So veer your re-iteration in the right direction please. But I agree, Who is a better and OBVIOUSLY more on-topic discussion. Thanks. Again.. I didn't bring it up. But I responded a hell of a lot more civilly than most did here. And I've made my opinion VERY clear. So now I'll move on. But do recall that Who was dead for some years as well.

  • April 26, 2011, 5:33 a.m. CST

    Ooh I hate it when that happens.

    by MoffatBabies

    When you read a talkback (or docback) and you see one reply and after you've replied to that, you discover there was one before that didn't show up the last time you loaded the page. Ack! Well, have a fantastic day docbackers. Hope this stays alive until part 2.

  • April 26, 2011, 5:39 a.m. CST

    First Invitation

    by Dimpy

    Rory was told that 'some guy' was sitting at the table where the first invitation was. Perhaps, after the other Doctor appeared, Rory should have turned round and said "What - this guy?" He must have been in shock though. So who was the first invitation for then? And where did the Astronaut come from/ go to? Did it emerge from the water (if so it wasn't wet) or just materialize?

  • April 26, 2011, 5:53 a.m. CST

    Who is number one

    by HornOrSilk

    That is the question. Obviously, we have been made to believe it is the Doctor. Maybe he is, but again, maybe we are assuming too many things. If it was him, I expect he had been given all kinds of info we don't know. If it was not him, well, we know it is a guy. We shall see if this plays out as a part of the story or not.

  • April 26, 2011, 5:56 a.m. CST

    russell t davies...

    by emeraldboy

    in the first episode of the eccleston Who, created a character based on himself a geeky nerd and internet dr who obsessive, who tracked the dr through a series of photographs that were taken at specific periods in time. one of them being on the titanic and then so on and so forth. so its not the first time that a head writer has used a plot device to incorporate the dr. I cant recall the very short clips used in season 6. but I thought that opening precredit sequence jarred.

  • April 26, 2011, 6:03 a.m. CST

    Where the heck is Gotik?

    by Smashing

    This should be his talkback, come back dude, Renee where is he?

  • April 26, 2011, 6:52 a.m. CST

    Doctor Who?

    by knightrider

    I recall reading somewhere that this season Moffatt was going to "put the Who back in Doctor Who." There were a couple of puns near the beginning of the episode where characters would ask "Doctor WHO?" - a cool bit of self-referencing maybe... but I get the feeling we might all be asking the question later in the season - as in "Who is the Doctor?" Especially if there are going to be stories involving clones. Maybe there will be multiple iterations walking around... Loving the start to the season so far! Can't wait for next Saturday, and off to the iPlayer again to see if there's anything I missed first time around!

  • April 26, 2011, 10:31 a.m. CST


    by Christopher Bynum

    I think the Doctor mentioned that he received the invitation after he came out of the restroom and they were shocked he could be there.

  • April 26, 2011, 10:53 a.m. CST

    I watched that scene again

    by Christopher Bynum

    He does say he was invited, and he mentions getting a map and coordinates. The 1 envelope is on the table next to the soda bottle with the straw in it. And it does look like the TARDIS is in the hallway of the restroom area.

  • April 26, 2011, 11:06 a.m. CST

    the one thing I did notice was

    by emeraldboy

    the dr who was waiting for rory, river and amy knew who they were and embraced them as old friends. the dr who appeared out of the toilet seemed more reserved and a little chilly and was menacing towards river song and to amy also and barked orders when they were back in tardis and he seemed to like power in a way. notice that he was in utter control of the oval office in a matter of seconds very persuasively and coolly. street maps of florida, a pot of coffee, 12 jammy dodgers and a fez. when we come back, the oval office is strewn with maps of florida, but the dr is one in charge controlling everything with his feet on the table. if you look at the angels episode, where river says at one i havent told him who I dr appears to be in control, giving orders etc, while the other dr seems very caring and sweet and orders river to keep an eye on amy. the caring one turns up on the eve of amy's wedding when she is a child to say goodbye to her. did the uncaring dr at some point become so reckless and dangerous. that he had to be stopped. if we are talking about clones, the bad dr or the uncaring and dangerous one, knew all about his clones weaknesses and somehow wiped them out. hence the voice fear me i've killed hundreds of time lords, dangerous dr fear me i've killed all of them....

  • April 26, 2011, 11:45 a.m. CST

    The Doctor

    by Christopher Bynum

    I don't think he likes being kept in the dark about what's going on. Once he realizes they're hiding something from him, he does get pretty frosty towards them. Question is, does he already know what's going to happen to him? He may act like he doesn't know, but I'm not sure I believe that.

  • April 26, 2011, 12:06 p.m. CST

    a question for everyone then

    by emeraldboy

    we all saw the dr die. this was the dr who met amy, rory and river at the bus stop. it seems a little inconsistent for the dr to park the tardis, meet everyone, get blasted, die and then turn up at the cafe. and know all about those blue envelopes. are there two drs. it just seems a little idiosyncratic. but that is steven moffat. look at sherlock holmes and beneditch cumberpatch's portrayal. very idiosyncratic.....

  • April 26, 2011, 12:06 p.m. CST

    The real reasons Harry hasn't reviewed Doctor Who:

    by alexander

    a) he doesn't like it all that much and doesn't want to offend, a la Inception b) he is a lazy bitch, who has not got round to it yet on top of ooooh I don't know.... THE ENTIRE FUCKING CATALOG OF FILM AND TELEVISION IN ALL KNOWN EXISTENCE UP UNTIL THIS POINT IN OUR HISTORY!... for example c) he is a lazy or lethargic mother, and has subsequently fallen asleep many times trying to watch it or properly get into it lol Harry

  • April 26, 2011, 12:18 p.m. CST

    If this talk of (POSSIBLE SPOILER)

    by Christopher Bynum

    the Doctor being cloned is true, I will be really disappointed. It would be a lame way of resolving his death, and it sounds like a shitty Star Trek story.

  • April 26, 2011, 12:21 p.m. CST

    thanks for the heads up on ummphoo guys

    by alexander

    now way is anyone spoiling what happens for me next week - this show is mu 'constant' right now... although I haven't had the chance to check out Treme or Game of Thrones 2nd episode yet

  • April 26, 2011, 12:21 p.m. CST

    my constant dammit!

    by alexander

  • April 26, 2011, 12:40 p.m. CST

    Before feeling comfrotable putting forward any theories

    by alexander

    other than the one I already stated above, really feel the need to go back and watch last Seasons end two-parter... like there could be clues in everything that happens since Amy is placed into the pandorica for example... but I'm just not sure Man... God Moffat is so good!

  • April 26, 2011, 12:40 p.m. CST


    by alexander

  • April 26, 2011, 1:45 p.m. CST

    Yay Me -- Spoilers !!!

    by 2LeggedFreak

    I could be a mile off on this but the Timey Wimey thing has had me pondering all weekend and I can't stop thinking about it....sod you Moffatt. Now this could be a lot spoilery but its just something I've worked out for myself and double checked so if you read on don't blame me. And I could be wrong. Shit I even feel spoilery saying this but, on the other hand I am feeling a bit pleased with myself !!! The only scenario that I could think of that could bring the Doctor back without it being a big cheat would be if this really was the Doctor. But how could you bring him back...ooh how about putting in him the Pandorica and throwing it into the heart of an explosion. So I thought back to the Big Bang and the bit where the Dalek shot him and then they all find the body missing and assumed he was still alive all along. They find they Doctor (although near death) has wired himself into the Pandorica and thats where I got really suspicious and watched it again. And fuck me, it could be the lighting but it looks incredibly like the Doctor shot by the Dalek has a red bow tie and the Doctor in the Pandorica has a blue one.

  • April 26, 2011, 1:52 p.m. CST


    by 2LeggedFreak

    Bollocks Not so clever after all. Just keyed Blue Bow tie in google and got this forum Go down to the post by Kaled Mutant on 14th June and he spotted this a year ago !!!

  • April 26, 2011, 1:53 p.m. CST

    So the answer

    by 2LeggedFreak

    Is in the Bow ties---I shall be watching very closely from now on.

  • April 26, 2011, 2:24 p.m. CST

    Potential SPOILER..

    by Alan

    Just seen a trailer for Day Of The Moon. The Doctor is using the screwdriver as an energy weapon.. It looks very similar to the weapon used to kill Future Doc.. 0.21-0.22 ish. It takes out the silent.

  • April 26, 2011, 3:15 p.m. CST

    Brilliant new trailer....

    by V'Shael

    I want someone who has seen the episode to tell me what the Doctors retort is to "This world is ours, Doctor". I'm hoping for something epicly bad-ass. And when Amy warns them: "Wait until you see what's coming for you now..." I love it when the Doctor is realised as a "You're in a trouble now" force for good.

  • April 26, 2011, 4:44 p.m. CST

    Aye 2LF...

    by alexander

    that and a few other things...

  • April 26, 2011, 5:33 p.m. CST

    unless the dr was genetically modified..

    by emeraldboy

    cell tampering. thats it. the silence used the cracks to kidnap people tampering with thier m, memories first, the pandorica then scans, thus tampering with the cell structures of individuals. thus the big bad who ever it is can then create different versions of humans. or human looking aliens. thus controlling the human populations...

  • I will be watching the last two episodes, even thou it will end in a cliffhanger never to be resolved. That's the one thing I'm mad about, tptb could have filmed an alternate the ending for the fans, but, they didn't, instead, they gave the fans the middle finger. If I ever see their names on any tv series, I will give them the middle finger by changing the channel. We now return you to the talkback about the scifi series that never lets you down, DOCTOR WHO!!!!!!!!!!!!! GERONIMO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! So, clone or no clone, that is the question on everyone's mind.

  • Instead of forgetting a word, I added a word I didn't need, the word "the" shouldn't be between "alternate" and "ending".

  • April 26, 2011, 6:32 p.m. CST

    99.9% of the US population have vowed the same thing, Dickholder


    They won't be watching those two episodes either.

  • April 26, 2011, 6:35 p.m. CST

    Prisoner Zero

    by Perigee

    An interesting question was raised on a site I KNOW you don't visit... but I do, cuz I'm a spoiler hog. No spoiler here, but an damned interesting question. And I quote: How does the Future-Doctor get to the desert? Where’s his TARDIS? Remember what Prisoner Zero said in The Eleventh Hour: “The cracks in the skin of the universe – don’t you know where they came from? You don’t, do you? The Doctor in the TARDIS doesn’t know.” Maybe Prisoner Zero has already met Future-TARDIS-les-Doctor…

  • April 26, 2011, 6:40 p.m. CST

    That theory doesn't hold up perigee


    How did The Doctor deliver those invitations to River and Now Doctor if he didn't have a TARDIS?

  • April 26, 2011, 6:48 p.m. CST

    Awww Heck...

    by Perigee

    ...What if these aliens - "The Silents" - aren't bad guys? What if they're what they dress like - MIB? They've been around forever, apparently, and they've had all the time in the world to do bad. What if the Doctor's "revolution" to cause "The Silents to fall" is like helpfully shooting Superman with Kryptonite? "I never thought I'd get done saving you..." What if it wasn't saying he's stopping because he's about to die - what if he's leaving The Silents to that particular job?

  • April 26, 2011, 7:01 p.m. CST

    @Christian Bale - Vortex Manipulator?

    by Perigee

    The funny thing is, last night I almost posted in here about how does River get all over the place in time and space, but I figured it was a pointless question, since we just don't know; not enough info yet. But if she can, without a TARDIS, he can. It's an intriguing, if probably worthless notion. But it is just the sort of thing Moffat could harken back to.

  • April 26, 2011, 7:05 p.m. CST


    by Phil Lamarre

    I'm very very confused. Why go to a Doctor Who talkback to talk about SGU? There MUST be SGU places here on this thing called the interwebs that others who enjoy your program go and talk? no? I mean personally I found that show to be boring as fuck. But I guess in this case I'm not alone. That's why only 2 seasons, that's why no dedicated talkbacks. There are plenty of other shows that I love that don't get talkbacks, one of which just got renewed for a 7th season (seems more deserving then a bag of shit 2 seasoner). But I came here to talk about DOCTOR FUCKING WHO!!!!!! And on that topic, I haven't been more excited about a new Season of DOCTOR WHO since.......EVER!!!!!! The stuff stephen moffat is coming up with is insane and it's pushing this show to it's limits.

  • April 26, 2011, 7:10 p.m. CST

    christian_bale_trashed_my_lights... thanks for the laugh...

    by Kelvington

    Your 99% comment had me rolling on the floor. Just FYI, the 1100 year old Doctor DID have his TARDIS, he was sitting on it at the beginning of the episode. It was just shaped like an classic MINT condition car. So in his 200 years he managed to fix the Chameleon circuit. You think I'm kidding? Just wait. ;)

  • April 26, 2011, 7:14 p.m. CST

    SPOILERS: Red and Blue

    by veteran_of_mu

    We have known for some time that there are two doctors. River's Doctor: "Rule Number One - the doctor lies" Amy's Doctor: "You need to start trusting me. It's never been more important." Now when we last saw Amy pregnant, it was in the dream lord's dream. Therefore, technically speaking, it was the dream lord's baby. The dream lord wears a red tie. Amy's Doctor wears a blue tie. At the end of "Amy's Choice" the Doctor's Tie turns from blue to red. The doctor glances down at his reflection and sees the Dream Lord. Then looks guilty and glances back up again. River's Doctor's biggest lie is that he is the Doctor. Now I have to go watch the whole sodding 5th series again to figure out what who's Who. Moff, you're a bastard. I love you, but you're a complete bastard.

  • April 26, 2011, 7:15 p.m. CST

    Thanks, Kelvington...

    by Perigee

    Now ALL I can picture in my head is a 1960 Cadillac getting kicked around by lightning in the time stream during the opining credits. I'd pay good money to see that, just once... ...Especially if they show him behind the wheel, with a set of fuzzy dice and a lil' dog with a bobbing head on the dashboard...

  • April 26, 2011, 7:18 p.m. CST

    diox you sandy god u... of your ecstacy/acid casulty vagina face

    by alexander

    your poor friggid brain is fucked for life man... but keep the fine art of trolling going if you must

  • April 26, 2011, 7:19 p.m. CST

    Filler Episodes

    by Phil Lamarre

    I don't remember 1 "filler" episode in series 5. Every episode had a piece to the puzzle, whether or not the puzzle is complete yet is a different story

  • It's I'm sure there are others, but, this is the one I go to. Everyone has the right to their own opinion, I liked watching the Stargate shows (and others) partly because of the bond of friendship between the characters. The bond of friendship thing doesn't work for me with every scifi show, Kevin Sorbo's show I didn't stick with, Enterprise I watched on and off. Doctor Who of course I've been with from "An Unearthly Child" to "The Impossible Astronaut" and beyond.

  • April 26, 2011, 9:41 p.m. CST

    rewatching Big Bang

    by alexander

    I'm pretty sure that its just the lighting that makes Doctors tie appear blue... on the bow tie front regards Amys Choice however well... All I feel for certain is that the dreamlord IS the Valeyard, so... ... if what caractacuspotts says is right about the bowtie switching colours from 'dream' to 'real' world then f--- me that would blow my mind, that would change a lot

  • April 26, 2011, 11:50 p.m. CST

    More Red & Blue SPOILERS

    by veteran_of_mu

    I'm not the only one to notice - just the only one to draw the obvious conclusion. has a list of s5 eps broken down by tie colour: """ 1 - The Eleventh Hour - Red 2 - The Beast Below - Red 3 - Victory of the Daleks - Blue 4 - The Time of Angels - Red 5 - Flesh and Stone - Red 6 - Vampires of Venice - Blue 7 - Amy's Choice - Blue and Red 8 - The Hungry Earth - Red 9 - Cold Blood - Red 10 - Vincent and the Doctor - Blue 11 - The Lodger - Blue 12 - The Pandorica Opens - Red """ I'm not certain it's as cut and dried as that - will need to review these shows, and probably all the shows at least back to the first appearance of River Song.

  • April 27, 2011, 4:37 a.m. CST

    perigee - stranger things have happened!!!

    by sam jacksons wig

    A couple of years ago the BBC showed (as a segue into opening The End of Time") David Tennants Tardis buried in a snow drift. He subsequently dug it out, attached Reindeer to it and flew it through the sky whilst sitting on the outside of it... stuff!!!!

  • April 27, 2011, 4:40 a.m. CST

    Never looked a red/blue ties.

    by sam jacksons wig

    It may be something as simple as this, and River may have been interracting with "future doc" all of the time! One point though, if she is sending messages through pyschic paper, how didn't the other Doc pick them up? Does that infer that it is a completely different time line altogether, and the Doc dies for real in THAT stream? Whatever, it was a bloody good call!!!

  • April 27, 2011, 6:58 a.m. CST


    by CHRISTIAN_BALE_TRASHED_MY_LIGHTS (For those of you have trouble understanding what "spoiler free" means, it means not telling people about things that haven't happened in a tv show yet. Fuckwits)

  • April 27, 2011, 7:57 a.m. CST

    Hang on (A guess, not a spoiler)

    by knightrider

    "Silence will fall." River is quite "the screamer." Will she break the silence???

  • April 27, 2011, 11:04 a.m. CST


    by Christopher Bynum

  • April 27, 2011, 11:05 a.m. CST


    by Christopher Bynum

  • April 27, 2011, 11:06 a.m. CST

    Dioxholder's troll posts are filler.

    by Christopher Bynum

    Filler for his sad, empty, devoid of a woman's touch life.

  • April 27, 2011, 1:59 p.m. CST

    What do you win? Another season?

    by V'Shael

    No, no more seasons for you.

  • April 27, 2011, 2:31 p.m. CST

    See Diox made it onto wiki

    by 2LeggedFreak

    Entry- dioxholster was the nomme de plume of Billy "Dean" Toffeehammer, sired on 6th Aug 1996 to famed Nebraskan alcoholic Frank L'arse. dioxholsters maternal line is uncertain with Frank claiming that he had wanked into a rat filled dumpster and 9 months later found the child crying in the very same place. dioxholster had an uneventful life until his mid teens when his infatuation with the Stargate world led to various injunctions being forced upon him. His most famous exploit was being found in a self induced comma following the cancellation of Stargate Atlantis. He was found with blood trailing from his jeans whilst lying in front of a Richard Dean Anderson "altar". At first it was thought that he had attempted a double suicide by drugs and cutting off his own penis. It was later found that the blood was from excessive masturbating and that his penis was not missing. Just unfeasibly small. Currently dioxholster is undergoing treatment to ween him off his Stargate obsession and is adapting well to by-weekly doses of Murder She Wrote and Touched by an Angel.

  • "We" being the Stargate Fans. We lose because the producers not only decided to do what they wanted to do instead of what the fans wanted, they were too lazy to do both shows (Stargate Atlantis and Stargate Universe) at the same time. Gee, say what you want about RTD, but, he was doing THREE shows at the same time, (Doctor Who, Torchwood, and The Sarah Jane Adventures). BAM!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! UK scores another point!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! We (The Doctor Who Fans) WIN!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

  • I don't think by-weekly doses of Murder She Wrote and Touched by an Angel are going to help, not one bit, maybe, Farscape?

  • has two new clips from "Day Of The Moon", first one makes me wish Mark Sheppard's Canton were a regular on Who, who knows, maybe it will happen.

  • April 28, 2011, 12:55 a.m. CST

    @axcel1 - Those two clips are the ones from BBC

    by V'Shael

    which were online after part 1 aired. They might have only been available to UK viewers at the time, but for a minute there I was hoping there was new footage to see... Oh well, hurry up Saturday...

  • April 28, 2011, 2:55 a.m. CST

    2legged- thanks for making me spit coffee all over my keypad!

    by sam jacksons wig

    Fucking hilarious stuff mate!!!!!!!

  • April 28, 2011, 2:57 a.m. CST

    [dioxholster] - we can only hope it's your last comment you fucking worm.

    by sam jacksons wig

    Go fuck yourself.

  • April 28, 2011, 4:08 a.m. CST

    Doctor Who beats SGU in the ratings. (Just rubbing it in...)

    by V'Shael

    “Epilogue” drew an estimated 1.092 million viewers to Syfy at 9 p.m. on Monday night (“Live + Same Day”), up 27 percent from the previous week. The premiere of the sixth season of the rebooted, legendary British sci-fi franchise drew BBC America's highest-ever ratings for a telecast when it aired on Saturday. 1.3 million people tuned in to see the return of the Doctor, Amy Pond, Rory and River Song. That's 71,000 more than the channel's previous record--which was also a "Who" episode.

  • Digital Spy's Tube Talk has released 10 very cool teasers about "Day of the Moon," but we cherry-picked six that we thought were really the most fun and exciting. "You're building me the perfect ****** and it still won't be enough!" The Tardis swimming pool plays a vital role in a daring escape attempt. At least one of the shocking twists from last week's episode is called into question, but who can The Doctor really trust? If you don't feel sorry for Rory at least once while watching this episode, then you're truly heartless. Speaking of Rory, if you've been wondering whether he remembers his 2000 years as Amy's plastic guardian, then this episode provides a definitive answer. The Doctor has a new experience, while River does something for the very last time. The final scene contains an absolutely shocking twist.

  • April 28, 2011, 5:51 p.m. CST


    by Phil Lamarre

    Suck it

  • April 28, 2011, 10:38 p.m. CST

    Evenin All

    by shibleybc

    Hello fellow docbackers! Just got back from London and needed to post straight away :) Lis Sladen RIP great tribute :) New Ep: Pretty darn good if too short! and Yay! Only 40 hours to part two! oh and Piloted the TARDIS with Frozens help, and we got chased bu angels and daleks! Squeel! :) DWE is bloody brilliant :)

  • April 29, 2011, 12:49 p.m. CST

    I love you guys

    by alexander

    ... good riddance Diox

  • Feb. 10, 2012, 9:18 a.m. CST

    Muuhahaha! Last!

    by Perigee

    I have returned to lay claim to this topic! Soon, I shall have them all! Time... Is on My side!!!

  • March 14, 2012, 9:58 a.m. CST

    @Perigee - No, you don't get to claim this one.

    by V'Shael

    This one is mine.