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UPDATED WITH OFFICIAL COMPANION PHOTO!! The Friday Docback Climbs Into "The Face of Evil"!! DOCTOR WHO Story #89, A New Season/Series Seven Companion For Matt And More!!

I am – Hercules!!

The BBC just released the first official photo of The Doctor's new companion:

 

Back to our original post:

 

 

 

 

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click to embiggen - submitted by Margaret

 

 

 

Merrick here...

 

...with a look at “The Face of Evil,” a Tom Baker era DOCTOR WHO story which originally transmitted Jaunary 1977.  This is the Doctor’s first introduction to Leela (Lousie Jameson), the fierce not-so-primitive ‘primitive’ who would become one of the show’s most well-known, most-loved traveling companions.  

Speaking of companions...

 

 

WHEN AMY AND RORY LEVE THE SHOW IN SEASON/SERIES 7 OF DOCTOR WHO, MATT SMITH’S NEW COMPANION WILL BE...

 

Expanding upon our article regarding Wednesday’s announcement... 

Per the official DOCTOR WHO Twitter stream,  a new companion has been selected to join Matt Smith during Season/Series 7 of DOCTOR WHO - which will transmit beginning later this year.  What follows might be viewed as SLIGHTLY spoilerish in nature, but keep in mind that these are officially sanctioned info bits...so my guess is these points aren't too revealing in the grand scheme of things. 

The new companion joining the Doctor on his sprawling adventures across time and space is the rather stunning Jenna-Louise Coleman.   

getty images 

 

Coleman appeared recently in CAPTAIN AMERICA: THE FIRST AVENGER, but may be better known for her role as Jasmine in EMMERDALE. 

Per Steven Moffat:  "We saw a lot of brilliant actresses. But Jenna was the only person going faster than Matt - he had to keep up!"

The notion of anyone ‘going faster’ than Matt Smith boggles the mind.  The potential for information overload here is both high and amusing.  

The official Twitter stream also indicates that 5 episodes of Season/Series 7 will transmit this year, along with a Christmas Special which will introduce Coleman's character.  8 further episodes will follow next year.  

Per Moffat:  "Amy & Rory will leave in a final encounter with the Weeping Angels in ep 5. Not everyone gets out alive and I mean it this time"

So, does this mean one of them gets relocated in time?   My guess would be Rory...leaving Amy knowing that he’s still alive somewhere in the time stream, but unable to access him again due to some insurmountable time differential.  This bittersweet turn could once more play off the ‘waiting’ / not connecting aspect demonstrated by Rory the Centurion in “The Pandorica Opens” / “The Big Bang,” and  Amy in “The Girl Who Waited” as well as her first-ever encounter with the Doctor.  Or, perhaps Amy gets touched by an Angel...thus relocated in time...which could also make her “The Girl Who Waited” again in some tragic and demented way?   

It’s important to remember that this is the unpredictable, sometimes wild and woolly Moffverse.  Amy and Rory’s dispatch may have nothing at all to do with the Angels themselves.  The Angels may only populate an episode alongside an entirely different plot machination which results in their departure.  Back to the Library, perhaps?  

Keep your eyes on that Twitter stream for more details as more come around.  Thanks to Bill, Robert , John, and MOV for sending along links! 

 

 

 

LET’S HELP WASH AND TASHI!!

 

I present the following...quite frankly...not being entirely sure how to proceed.  

I will say that yesterday, I personally attempted outreach about this situation to the best of my ability, in a number of interesting and promising ways - and my efforts are ongoing.  Nonetheless, perhaps there’s more we can do?  As Geeks, and as human beings.  For Wash, and for his wife Tashi  - who is holding vigil and keeping the faith as her husband slips away.  

Docbacker Gotilk called my attention  to THIS blog, which is run by Tashi Pratt-King. It chronicles the life, care, and decline of her husband Wash, who has been diagnosed with Glioblastoma Multiforme (a terminal brain cancer).  He is dying, and is already fading.  On this blog, Tashi mentions two of Wash’s passions.  Passions which also carry great meaning to anyone still reading my words: 

 

Wash also says if anyone wants to or can get in touch with The Grand Moff [Stephen Moffat] or Nathan Fillion he would be happy to get some kind of dying-geek shout-out from his idols.

 

Anyone wishing to send Wash and Tashi goodies can send mail to this physical address, which can evidently receive packages.  

 

Wash and Tashi Pratt-King

PO Box 27716

Tempe, AZ 85285

 

It seems strange...SO strange...to be writing about the loss of fictional characters Amy and Rory within an article which also confronts wrenching, real world loss.  But it also seems strangely appropriate, somehow.  To me, as much as these Docbacks are about DOCTOR WHO, I also see them as being about people, relationships, and connections.  And I thought that maybe, just maybe, it might be possible to find some way to make Wash’s existence just a little happier.  Be it through some cosmic and meaningful act, or a small gesture   which brings  a smile to his face...if only for one moment.   

 

Any ideas would be warmly welcomed, and any pro-activity on your part would be exceptionally meaningful and grand.  At the very least, perhaps we might  take to message boards...to Twitter...to Facebook...and make as much noise as possible for Wash before its too late. 

 

 

 

 
BBC HOME ENTERTAINMENT AND AINT IT COOL NEWS ARE OFFERING YOU A FINAL CHANCE TO SNAG A SET OF FOUR VERY COOL 'CLASSIC' DOCTOR WHO DVDs!!
 
 
BBC Home Entertainment and Aint It Cool News recently announced a special screening of the recently resorted WHO classic "The Three Doctors" at the new Alamo Drafthouse on Slaughter Lane in Austin.  The screening will happen THIS WEEKEND at 1pm, Saturday March 24, and is general admission (first come, first seated) - although a $5 reserved seat meal voucher can be purchased in advance HERE.  These vouchers are moving nicely...act quickly if you're interested in reserving a seat.  
 
Our original announcement on the screening is HERE!
 
To commemorate this extremely exciting and very cool event, BBC Home Entertainment and Aint It Cool News have been offering a number of prize packs in the weeks leading up to our screening - each recipient receiving all of BBC Home Entertainment's release of classic DOCTOR WHO stories for this month (March).  
 
These excellent DVDs are loaded with extras and feature resorted image and sound work - the episodes they contain look and sound great, and extras are extremely insightful and informative.  
 
We have ONE (1) more set of these DVDs to offer one (1) lucky recipient this weekend.  Here's a list of what's up for grabs, along with BBC's description of each show...
 
 
 

"THE TOMB OF THE CYBERMEN"

 

For centuries, the disappearance of the Cybermen from the universe has been a mystery. The Doctor, Jamie and Victoria arrive on Telos - once the Cyber home world - just as an Earth expedition uncovers the entrance to a long-lost control centre filled with baffling technology. With the Doctor's help, the archaeological party discovers the last of the Cybermen, frozen and entombed in a vast underground cavern. But by entering the tombs, the humans have sprung a fiendish trap. All around them, the Cybermen begin to rise from the dead.

 

 

"THE ROBOTS OF DEATH"

 The TARDIS, carrying the Doctor and his new companion Leela, arrives aboard a huge sandminer on a deserted world. The small human crew relies almost entirely on robots to carry out their every task and whim while they mine the planet's rich minerals. Suddenly, one by one, members of the team start to disappear. The time travelers discover that someone or something is murdering the crew - but, of course, nobody believes it could be the robots.

 

 

"THE FACE OF EVIL"

 When the TARDIS arrives on a jungle planet, the Doctor encounters two warring tribes, the Sevateem and the Tesh. The Sevateem worship a god called Xoanon and the Tesh are supposedly keeping Xoanon prisoner... But why do the Sevateem call the Doctor the Evil One? And what are the invisible creatures in the jungle? The Time Lord, with the help of a girl called Leela, is about to find out.

 

 

 "THE THREE DOCTORS"

 The Time Lords are in crisis. A powerful force is draining their energy into a mysterious Black Hole - and they must recruit the Doctor to save them. But one Doctor isn't enough for this mission. All three of the Doctor's incarnations, aided by Jo Grant and UNIT, must face the wrath of Omega - a fallen Time Lord trapped in a universe of anti-matter, with one thing on his mind: revenge.
We have ONE (1) more sert of these DVDs to offer one (1) lukcy recipoient this weekend.  How do you get this set?  Between now and 11:59 PM CST USA on Sunday March 25 , I've pre-selected one (1) time of day on one (1) pre-selected date.   Whoever e-mails me at, or closest to, my pre-selected time on my preselected date will win this prize pack.  
 
How do you get this set?  Between now and 11:59 PM CST USA on Sunday March 25 , I've pre-selected one (1) time of day on one (1) pre-selected date.  
 
Whoever e-mails me at, or closest to, my pre-selected time on my preselected date will win this prize pack.  Only THREE ENTRIES PER PERSON, PER DAY, will be allowed.  Anyone deviating from this limitation will see all of their entries for that day summarily discarded.  
 
BE SURE TO INCLUDE YOUR FULL ADDRESS IN YOUR SUBMISSION.  This is to expedite shipping of your prize only - no Spam lists or mass mailings or anything like that.  All entries will be summarily deleted once a recipient is chosen.  
 
BE SURE TO SEND FROM A FREQUENTLY CHECKED E-MAIL ADDRESS!!  If I need to contact you and can not do so, I'll quickly move on to the next closest entry.  
 
IN THE SUBJECT LINE, include the phrase "Jelly Babies?"  If this is not in your subject line, your message won't be filtered correctly and I'll most likely not see it.  
 
BE SURE YOU SEND E-MAIL TO THE ADDRESS LINKED BELOW!!  You'd be surprised how many people send entries to the wrong place.  
 
CONTEST OPEN TO NORTH AMERICAN READERS ONLY!!
 
Have fun, best of luck, and thanks so much for your time and support!  
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
THE PERSON RECEIVING THE DVDs OFFERED IN LAST WEEK'S GIVEAWAY?  
 
Hunter R, VA.  
 
My preselected time was Sunday 18 March at 3:30 p.m CST USA. Hunter's e-mail arrived on Sunday March 18 at 3:335 pm. Congratulations to Hunter!  Your contact info has already been passed along to BBC Home Entertainment, who is graciously handing fulfillment in these giveaways!  Enjoy!  
 
 
 
 
 
 

"The Face of Evil" 

 

 

“That was either very good shooting or very bad.  Either way, I wouldn’t dream of  moving.”
- the Doctor, ‘The Face of Evil’ Episode 1

 

 

“The Face of Evil” opens on a jungle planet during a heated debate amongst poobahs of the Sevateem tribe.  Seems Leela...

 

 

...has been speaking out against the establishment and calling into question the existence of her people’s own god, resulting in her being quickly and summarily banished from the tribe.  

 

As the exiled Leela makes her way through the hard environment beyond the Sevateem village, she encounters a whimsical traveller sporting a hat, a long scarf, and a healthy supply of Jelly Babys - the Doctor (Tom Baker).  

 

The Doctor quickly gleans that all is not as it should be on Leela’s apparently primitive world, evidenced by the scattered remnants of space-travel technology, and disquieting evidence that the people of this place have been forged by a dark past.  A past for which the Doctor himself was unknowingly responsible...

 

 

“The Face of Evil” is an exercise in tremendous frustration.  Performances are earnest-to-exceptional across the board (with special accolades going to the sparkling chemistry evident in Baker and Jameson’s first pairing), and the core story here is brilliantly conceived.  

 

Whopping plot twists occurring roughly half way through the tale (developments which will be carefully preserved herein for those yet to see this story) promise edgy, resonant, high-minded science fiction.  Unfortunately, the result careens headfirst into a meandering and messy quagmire -  effectively undercutting the vast potential suggested by scripter Chris Boucher’s  carefully-laid set-up.    It’s possible to walk away from “The Face of Evil” with a solid grasp of general movements and numerous plot points, while carrying little-to-no sense of how such details form a cohesive or functional whole.  “The Face of Evil” often  feels like a shotgun blast of generally excellent conceits, all of which are in desperate need of direction, focus, and purpose.  

 

Production design by Austin Ruddy (this was his debut on the show), featuring pseudo-primitive beautiful people living amidst tattered and adapted vestiges of a long-lost, technically-advanced civilization, strongly portend MAD MAX BEYOND THUNDERDOME in both style and concept  - a full 8 years before that film hit screens.  Designs for the Tesh’s futuristic corridors and central computer core (the Tesh being a second prominent race in this story) are exceptionally conceived and strongly executed, although costumery for the Tesh themselves evokes candy-coated gaudiness one might find in a NUTCRACKER performance, or a shabbily produced ALICE IN WONDERLAND adaptation.  

 

 

Between this design and color scheme, the Tesh propensity for over-produced courtesying, and the group’s generally wimpy demeanor, it’s hard to take these Tesh seriously - even when they’re chasing our protagonists with deadly energy weapons.  They feel very much out of place here,  further confounding our effort to bring order and meaning to a tatty swirl of disparate concepts.  

 

The Doctor’s pointed reference to to ‘religious gobbledegook,’ and Boucher’s general skewering of man’s propensity to blindly follow, or categorically dismiss, a faith provide some degree of compelling and appropriate gravity, but it’s never enough to keep “Face” from repeatedly jumping the tracks.  

 

 

Chiefly memorable for the Doctor’s brilliantly simple but wholly inspired revenge against a petulant warrior who slaps Leela, for his eventual (albeit unintentional) adoption of her companionship, and for memorable ideas which never reach a satisfactory endgame - “The Face of Evil” emerges as a highly enjoyable adventure if one accepts the tragic axiom that this story will simply never connect its dots. Director Pennant Roberts brings the thunder here, and there are a number of satisfyingly fun moments and “Oh, wow!” gags spread throughout.  Regrettably, there parts never congeal into a rational or entirely rewarding whole.  

 

The restored “Face of Evil” DVD is available HERE in the U.S. and HERE in the U.K.  

 

 

 

Extras include...

 

 

Into the Wild (25:12)

 

Insight from...

 

-- Philip Hinchcliffe (Producer)

 

-- Louise Jameson (Leela - who says 60 girls were interviewed for Leela...culled to 10...then she was selected) 

 

-- Pennant Roberts (Director - 2005 interview)

 

-- Per Jameson, she used a 3 year old as Sally Armitage (sp?) as something of an inspiration for her Leela’s body movements and affectations, as well as lifting body language from her dog Bosie.

 

-- Discussions of early make-up misfires for Leela’s character...

 

 

-- Mat Irvine (Visual Effects Designer) - this was his first DW.

 

-- Austin Ruddy (Designer)  - this was his first DW as well.

 

-- Jameson discusses her first appearance on-set in her skimpy costume. “The guys were very appreciative, and they said “We’re absolutely delighted to be loghting you for the next few months.”

 

-- Discussion of the execution of the Horda creatures and the (clever) realization of an alarm clock which is crushed beneath invisible forces.

 

-- Anthony Frieze (young voice of Xoanon the computer) 

 

 

 

From the Cutting Room Floor (9:05)

Featuring behind the scenes angles, alternate angles, unused sequences, mini-bloopers, etc. lifted from surviving 8mm film reels.  

 

Tomorrow’s Times: The Fourth Doctor (14:06) 

 

An assemblage of DW reviews from critics of the era, as amassed in publications stored in the British Library’s Newspaper Archive. 

 

 

 

DOCTOR WHO Stories: Louise Jameson (17:22) 

Louise Jameson from a 2003 interview for “The Story of DOCTOR WHO,” offering her remembrances and insights into her time on WHO.  Talks about shooting her favorite episodes (“The Sun Makers” and “The Talons of Weng-Chiang”) 

 

 

 

Swap Shop (4:29)

Jameson’s vintage interview with a show called SWAP SHOP. 

 

 

 

Denys Fisher Toys Advert (:33)

A vintage toy commercial featuring DOCTOW WHO action figures (the Doctor, the “amazing” Leela, Cybermen, the giant Robot, a Dalek,and a TARDIS which makes figures “disappear.”  

 

 

 

Photo Gallery (5:42) 

PDF Materials

-- Radio Times Listings 

-- 1976 Typhoo Tea DOCTOR WHO Promotion

 

 

Coming Soon 

 

Preview for the forthcoming DVD of “The Daemons” (Pertwee, Story # 59 )

 

 

 

 

 

IN THE COMING WEEKS (sequentially) 
 
"The Robots of Death"  (T. Baker, Story #90)
"The Daemons" (Pertwee, Story #59)
"The Carnival of Monsters" (Pertwee, Story #66) 
 

 

 

 

 

PREVIOUS DOCBACKS

 

 

   

[SEASON / SERIES SIX DOCBACKS]


"The Impossible Astronaut"

"Day of the Moon"

"The Curse of the Black Spot"

"The Doctor's Wife"

"The Rebel Flesh"

"The Almost People"

"A Good Man Goes To War"

"Let's Kill Hitler"

"Night Terrors"

 
 
 

"The Doctor, The Widow and the Wardrobe" (2011 Christmas Special)  

 

 

[RETRO-WHO DOCBACKS - MOST RECENT DOCBACK IS HIGHLIGHTED]

 

"An Unearthly Child" (Story #1)

"The Daleks" (Story #2)

"The Edge of Destruction" (Story #3)

"Marco Polo" (Story #4)

"The Keys of Marinus(Story #5)

"The Aztecs" (Story #6)

"The Sensorites" (Story #7)

"The Sensorites" (Story #7 - full DVD release) 

"The Reign of Terror" (Story #8)

"Planet of Giants" (Story #9) 

"The Dalek Invasion of Earth" (Story #10)

"The Rescue" (Story #11) 

"The Romans"  (Story #12) 

"The Web Planet" (Story #13) / SHERLOCK - "A Scandal in Belgravia" (Story #4)

"The Crusade" (Story #14) 

"The Space Museum" (Story #15) 

"The Chase" (Story #16) 

"The Time Meddler" (Story #17) 

"Galaxy 4" (Story #18) 

"The Gunfighters" (Story #25)

"The Tomb of the Cybermen" (Story #37) 

"The Colony in Space" (Story #58) 

"Day of the Daleks" (Story #60) + Preview of the DotD Special Edition

"The Three Doctors" (Story #65) 

"Invasion of the Dinosaurs" (Story #71) and SHERLOCK: "The Reichenbach Fall" (Story #6) 

"The Android Invasion" (Story #83) and SHERLOCK: "The Hounds of Baskerville" (Story #5) 

"The Talons of Weng-Chiang" (Story #91)

"The Sun Makers(Story #95)

"The Awakening" (Story #131)

"Frontios(Story #132)

"The Caves of Androzani" (Story #136) 

"Time and the Rani" (Story #144)

"Paradise Towers" (Story #145) + New WHOvian Documentary / Newsbits

DOCTOR WHO: THE COMPLETE SIXTH SERIES 

Merrick's Personal Journey With The Doctor (How Merrick Got Hooked On DOCTOR WHO)

DOCTOR WHO Title Sequences & DW At Comic-Con 2011

"The Crash of the Elysium" (Manchester version - interactive DOCTOR WHO adventure)

Why Eccleston Left, Here Comes Caroline Skinner, And Season/Series Six Part 1 on Blu-Ray And DVD

New Trailer For Season/Series Six Part 2

 

 

 
 
 
 
 

DOCBACK CODE OF CONDUCT
 
1) a Docback should be about completely open and free discourse regarding all things WHO with, obviously, some variation on subject matter from time to time - the real world intervenes, discussions of other shows are inevitable, etc.)... 

2) matters of SPOILAGE should be handled with thoughtful consideration and sensitivity.  Posts containing SPOILERS should clearly state that a SPOILER exists in its topic/headline and should never state the spoiler itself . "** SPOILER ** Regarding Rory" is OK, for example.  "** SPOILER ** Battle of Zarathustra" is fine as well.  " **SPOILER** Why did everyone die?"  Is NOT good.  
 
 
And, above all... 

3) converse, agree, disagree, and question as much as you want - but the freedom to do so is NOT a license to be rude, crass, disrespectful, or uncivilized in any way.  Not remaining courteous and civil, as well as TROLLING or undertaking sensational efforts to ignite controversy, will result in banning.  Lack of courtesy may receive one (1) warning before a ban is instigated.  Obvious Trolling or Spamming will result in summary banning with no warning.  One word posts intended to bump-up any Docback's figures on AICN's "Top Talkbacks" sidebar will be considered actionable Spam - they not only complicate efforts to access Docback from mobile devices, but impede readers' abilities to follow or engage in flowing conversation. 
 
In short, it's easy.  Be excellent to each other.  Now party on... 
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  • March 23, 2012, 11:24 a.m. CST

    The most absurd salute on DW, and the Triangle of Sneak!

    by Perigee

    The Doctor has seen a number of strange military salutes, and this one brings us two - the first one by the sevateem essentially tweaking their nipples and elbows, but the Teshes deep knee-bend bow is to die for - especially since they have to do it coming and going. I keep waiting for the cupcake heads to break into a waltz. The Triangle of Sneak returns! One of The Beebs favorites, a triangle shaped corridor that stands in for every corridor. Especially lovely for sneaking, the Teshes corridor wis worn down to a nub by everyone chasing each other round and round it. But. LEEE- LA!!! Wheeee!!!! She was SO what I want a companion to be. Take note, Moff. No whining, no screaming, no wheedling. Five kills in the arc. Saved the Dotcors butt Several times. I'm in love. Even though she was scrawny. Put the new girl in a hide loincloth. I'm good with that.

  • fun times.

  • March 23, 2012, 11:33 a.m. CST

    Leela: The lady who introduced us to Janis Thorns...

    by obijuanmartinez

  • March 23, 2012, 11:36 a.m. CST

    It's true! The Evil One DOES eat babies!

    by DoctorTom

    There's a lot of good lines in this one, like the one I put in the subject line, and the lines like *stay back or I'll kill him with this deadly jelly baby* I always liked this story. It's a good introduction for Leela. Hinchcliffe and Holmes obviously liked what Boucher did with this story since they turned around and had him write the story after this. This one doesn't get all the love it deserves mainly because in the initial broadcast it got eclipsed by Robots of Death, The Talons of Weng Chiang and The Deadly Assassin. This could easily have been the best season of classic Doctor Who (challenged only by the previous season). The Face of Evil does its own to hold up the quality of the season.

  • March 23, 2012, 11:39 a.m. CST

    Imagine if The Face of Evil was done now instead of during Season 14

    by DoctorTom

    Matt Smith would definitely want Neeva's hat. He might even try to get one of the Tesh hats, but he'd definitely want Neeva's. Maybe the new companion can dig the hat out of a trunk and ask the Doctor what it is, and the Doctor can say he's been looking for that forever, and put it on just before River Song shows up to destroy the hat.

  • Rule #1 Also, he says "not everyone"...which could mean Amy and Rory will be fine and some random person they are with doesn't get out alive. Clever girl...

  • March 23, 2012, 11:44 a.m. CST

    Perigee - I agree - LEELA !

    by DoctorTom

    When I first saw the stories (back in 1978) I preferred Leela as a companion over Sarah Jane. I know that it sounds like heresy now, but she was definitely a fun change for what companions could be. Note: I liked Sarah Jane, but to me Leela was a quantum leap for what they could do in the story telling. There's a logical reason for some things to be explained now (Leela just didn't have the exposure to technology - she wasn't stupid) but was very capable. As often as not, instead of the companion having to try to keep up with the Doctor, the Doctor would have to try to hold the companion back. We got a bit of that with Sylvester McCoy and Ace later, which was refreshing after Mel. I wouldn't be surprised if the new companion goes this way somewhat, if they're going to play off of Matt Smith having to work to keep up with her.

  • March 23, 2012, 11:46 a.m. CST

    time for the obligatory Whotininnies request

    by DoctorTom

    any chance of one showing up this weekend? With the announcement of the new companion, the info that's been dropped about season 7 so far and Moffat's comments on Alimentary, er, Elementary, there would be plenty of stuff to talk about (not to mention that you could link into the DVD for this week and talk about Leela).

  • March 23, 2012, 11:47 a.m. CST

    Faster than Matt Smith?

    by Deagol21

    The last thing current Doctor Who needs is even more fast dialogue from an even more high-energy character. I'm finding it really hard to follow this current version of the show due to how much info is thrown at me in such a short amount of time. Speaking as someone who's watched the show since the late 70s, I wish they would learn to slow things down a little and take their time to tell a decent, coherent story. As it is now, I feel they are cutting corners and sacrificing character moments in favor of a fast pace that they think the younger crowd wants. I hate to say it, but I was glad to hear that Amy was leaving. I've just never connected with her as a character. I actually liked Rory better, because he seemed to actually care more about people in general, and because he was more like me - continually bewildered and confused about the chaos that was going on around him. I'll be more sorry to see him go. They need to slow things down a little. There's no need to constantly be running to every location, or to shoot off dialogue at such a fast clip that one can't understand half of what's being said. Maybe I'm just getting old, but I liked the Tennant era much better. RTD certainly had his share of stupidity, but the stories had a good pace to them and allowed the audience to connect with the characters more. I wish they'd go back to that format, or even have a story or two that follows the 70s model - a slow burn mystery in which the Doctor and companion get involved to save the day. There's a reason why stories like Talons of Weng Chiang, Horror of Fang Rock, City of Death, Genesis of the Daleks, and others are considered to be some of the best Doctor Who has to offer. Moffet needs to go back and watch some of those and see why the STORY worked so well. Write a STORY like that, with today's updated SFX and production values, and you'd be making a modern classic.

  • March 23, 2012, 11:54 a.m. CST

    deagol21 - you're going to need to strap yourself in for Season 7

    by DoctorTom

    Moffat announced he's not doing any 2 parters doing the next season, and they'll be treating every episode like a mini-blockbuster movie. I suspect that they'll need a new companion who the Doctor has to actually work to keep up with in order to put in all the story they want into 45 minutes. They had already been jamming a 4 parter's worth of story (or a 6 parter's worth of a Pertwee story once you trim out the gratuitous HAVOC fights and Pertwee vehicle driving that was used to pad out the stories); now it sounds like they're going to try to cram the story equivalent of The Talons of Weng Chiang, Genesis of the Daleks or The Invasion of Time into a 45 minute story, and include any minor arc points they want to keep throwing in. I suspect we won't be able to catch our breath while watching for fear of missing something.

  • March 23, 2012, 11:54 a.m. CST

    doctortom

    by Merrick

    Much prepping for our "Three Doctors" screening in Austin this weekend. Which is why WHOTININNIES didn't happen this past week, although this *also* means that Ken and I will soon be in the same place, at the same time. Except he's stuck in an airport at the moment...on a six hour layover that wasn't supposed to happen...so...you know...

  • March 23, 2012, 11:57 a.m. CST

    Thanks for the info, Merrick!

    by DoctorTom

    Of course, if he's stuck in an airport for six hours, you could look at recording a phone conversation with him for a podcast (and have airline flight announcements interrupt him on a frequent basis). Heck, it might just be amusing to have a Whotininnies Bonus podcast that's just Ken on the phone ranting about airlines for an hour...

  • March 23, 2012, 12:08 p.m. CST

    +You broke my leg!+ +If you don't get up, I'll break your nose...+

    by Perigee

    Yes - that's from next week's arc. But it shows what a wonderful, dark-ish Doctor Tom Baker could be. Somebody slapped Leela, and The Doctor tossed one of those groundbound piranhas on him. He was shown to be pretty badass with a crossbow hipshot as well. And Leela? When somebody hit her, she'd put him down. And if they got close enough again...? +Touch me again, and I'll cripple you.+ You'd better bring it, if you messed with #4 and Leela. LoveitLoveitLoveitLoveit.

  • March 23, 2012, 12:10 p.m. CST

    "WHO ARE YOU!?!" - Xoanon

    by obijuanmartinez

  • March 23, 2012, 12:12 p.m. CST

    doctortom

    by Merrick

    I've strongly encouraged Ken to record our phone conversations, which are not substantively different from an average episode of WHOTININNIES. He seems resistant to the notion. He's probably concerned that a decided lack of political correctness will alienate audiences too far. My attitude towards the matter...differs.

  • March 23, 2012, 12:17 p.m. CST

    Xoanon-Xoanon-Xoanon-Xoanon James Brown? James Brown!

    by Perigee

    I have to admit that the computer made me think of The Tom Tom Club. (And yes - I know the actual song was BoHannon. But still.. One could do quite a mash up with TTC, those bowing cupcake heads and Xoanon)

  • March 23, 2012, 12:29 p.m. CST

    Leela - first time I heard the word 'filet' used as a verb

    by Raptor Jesus

    'Touch me again and I will filet you'.

  • March 23, 2012, 12:33 p.m. CST

    doctortom

    by Deagol21

    That's what I'm afraid of. There's no reason to cram 90 minutes or more of story into half that much time. It seems like the motto is just go faster, faster, faster all the time. There's nothing wrong with slowing things down. It's fun to see the Doctor be a man of action. But he's also supposed to be the one who puzzles out a mystery and through his powers of deduction can figure out what's going on long before any of the companions. Without showing us a little of how the Doc figures that stuff out, then it just becomes a nonstop roller coaster. I like some of Moffet's ideas, but the execution of the show has dropped significantly in my opinion. The SFX and production values are great, but the writing and storytelling itself has taken a hit. I would like to see more character and plot development, and allow the audience to comprehend what's going on better, rather than just have one action beat after another. I'm not a pro script writer or anything, but as a fan of the show, I feel they've lost a bit of the magic that made the show so compelling - at least for me.

  • March 23, 2012, 1:13 p.m. CST

    Theorty

    by Dreamfasting

  • March 23, 2012, 1:18 p.m. CST

    Theory on the exit

    by Dreamfasting

    My theory based on "Amy's Choice" and other seperation/sacrifice themes often repeated in the Amy/Rory relationship is that one of them will be zapped back in time by the Angels and the other will have to choose whether to go on alone or let themselves also be zapped. For "crossing timelines" reasons, the Doctor will not be able to pop back to rescue them.

  • March 23, 2012, 1:21 p.m. CST

    Merrick, generally I'd go for your side on that debate

    by DoctorTom

    given him being stuck in an airport today, though, if you did record a conversation with him today I'm sure there would be a lot of editing/bleeping. It would probably help him vent about the situation, though.

  • I will contend that the vast majority of Pertwee stories did not need to go more than 4 parts. For budgetary reasons, though, they'd pad out a lot of the stories to 6 parts. The first season of Pertwee managed for the most part to not feel like they were getting the padding even when it was obvious (the parallel universe bit in Inferno was a clever bit of story recycling for when he came back, but didn't feel bad, and the Silurians didn't feel padded, but then something like Planet of the Spiders shows the padding when they give us the edited version that cuts out about 45 minutes without losing any story). The prime example that sometimes having things slow is bad? The Sensorites. Even with 4 parters, there was the feeling of the 3rd episode dip many a time, trying to mark time until getting to the cliffhanger. Or, you get to the end of the story in the 4th part and find out you still need to kill 15-20 more minutes and have to invent some stuff to stretch out the rest of the episode (Creature from the Pit, Timelash). So, it is possible to have things go too slow. You also have to consider how the formats have changed. Most shows tell a story in one hour (either one full hour or one hour with commercials), so using the old format of 4 or 6 part 25 minute episodes wouldn't work on BBC1 today. Having more plot stuck in the 45 minute story (what might have been a 3 or 4 part story before) actually isn't a bad thing, as some of the shorter stories before might seem more slight just because of short running time without an increase in plot density. And, Moffat's willing to let things spread out and breathe if he wants to - he did that with The Impossible Astronaut/ Day of the Moon (there's no way that could all have been crammed into 25 minutes). After his bit with A Good Man Goes To War and Let's Kill Hitler, he found that he likes to have the miniblockbuster and do it in one episode (and also have the mid-season cliffhanger brerak), so he's experimenting with that this season. Last season he went arc heavy, this year he's not going to have a heavy arc running through the same way. He's trying different things every season, which to me is a good sign that he's still wanting to experiment and not be stuck in a rut.

  • There will be some future twist that reveals the reason for this - and not just the need to make another action figure.

  • http://www.dailymotion.com/video/x7z738_the-face-of-evil-part1_shortfilms

  • March 23, 2012, 1:42 p.m. CST

    @merrick: I have a Dumb End-User question:

    by obijuanmartinez

    In the subject field for the DVD giveaway, do I have to have quotes around Jelly Babies? as shown, or are you just quoting out the statement? Thanks!

  • March 23, 2012, 1:44 p.m. CST

    Deagol21

    by Perigee

    I respect your view immensely, and can see where you're coming from - but I'm not sure I can share it. A LOT of the classic DW is horribly padded; characters get captured, rescued, recaptured, re-rescued, sneaking around endless triangle tunnels, and we are treated to endless repetitive nonsense. This arc for example: Leela is on trial; her father takes the piranha test and fails. He didn't have to; she didn't want him to; he dies for nothing and absolutely no portion of the plot or character development is changed because of it. Leela didn't go all vendetta; he was just forgotten. So, Leela is kicked out. Can't come back. And now, Neeva sends two men out to kill her for no sensible reason. Discredited and exiled, there was absolutely nothing she could have done to affect his plans. And the attempt comes to nothing. The Doctor Shows up. He gets captured. He gets uncaptured. Then he gets captured again. Then he gets uncaptured again, and goes to the other side of the barrier, where he gets captured again. He gets uncaptured again, and he sneaks around the triangle. Then Leela shoots a guy, and they sneak around the triangle some more. The the Doctor goes in to see xoanon, and even more time is spent with Leela sneaking around and around the triangle. Time is not necessarily a friend to these episodes. They remind me of 30's-40's chapter plays, where every episode musty have a fistfight, a clue, a chase and some sneaking around before you have a minor crescendo and the exultation to see the next episode. And, having watched it last night, next week's discussion is more of the same in the extreme; this format was not atypical. Two seasons from now, Romana will escape and get recaptured in a matter of four minutes during The Androids of Tara. I am not sure that, were you to distill the actual, useable content of the classic episodes, you would get anything actually more impressive in plot or character dev than you have now.

  • March 23, 2012, 1:48 p.m. CST

    obijuanmartinez re: contest

    by Merrick

    *** In the subject field for the DVD giveaway, do I have to have quotes around Jelly Babies? as shown, or are you just quoting out the statement? *** Either way will work fine.

  • March 23, 2012, 1:55 p.m. CST

    dreamfasting

    by DoctorTom

    It's going to be Rory zapped back in time. That doesn't mean that Amy won't also be zapped back or that they'll be zapped to different times. There's still the bit of Rory in The Eleventh Hour having an ID badge for a year in which he shouldn't have been able to get a badge in that year (the badge's date was 6 years before the time of that episode - Rory wouldn't have been old enough to have been a nurse then. Come to think of it, the badge was 1990. In The Big Bang, Amy was 7 years old in 1996, and Rory was a contemporary of hers. So, it raises the question of whether Rory got zapped back to 1990 or slightly earlier, and was working as a nurse in the hospital to keep an eye on himself, the younger Amy (and Mels) - maybe he even helped deliver himself, that would be the type of twist Moffat would throw in.

  • March 23, 2012, 2:46 p.m. CST

    CRAP. The Official First Image is just another shopgirl.

    by Perigee

    No Alien Catsuit Karate Connie. Just another ~Oooh Doctor, save me, save me, save me...~ Definitely Mary Ann in a sweater, rather than someone actually helpful. Rats. Yeah. I know. Grand Moff. We Trust. Do what you must. Wait and see. And so I shall. But Mark My Words, Moffy - When I become showrunner... Alien Catsuit Karate Connie.

  • March 23, 2012, 3:28 p.m. CST

    doctortom

    by Deagol21

    Oh I completely agree with you on the TOO slow bit. some of those 6 parters in the Pertwee years were almost painful to watch at times. But recently we've done a total reversal and seem to be trying to cram a 4 part story into 45 minutes. I just think some of these stories need a little more room to breath. In spite of some of the actual plot elements, I actually really liked the pacing of The Rebel Flesh/The Almost People. It really had the feel of some of the classic Who stories from Baker or Davison. I would like it if we had more stories that doled out the story at that same pace.

  • March 23, 2012, 3:28 p.m. CST

    There's still hope, Perigee

    by DoctorTom

    Leela wore a sweater in The Horror of Fang Rock. I'm also not convinced that we've seen a picture of her in costume yet. Remember that when they announced Matt Smith, the first official pictures weren't of him in his tweed, it was just normal clothing Matt would wear around.

  • March 23, 2012, 3:34 p.m. CST

    Funnay you should mention that, Doc...

    by Perigee

    As I am desperately trying to Google Karen's first official photos, to see if she was Pond-representative. ~Grin~ Slow Fridays at work. Nothing like 'em to stir up a tempest in my teapot.

  • March 23, 2012, 3:34 p.m. CST

    New Companion

    by Deagol21

    The new companion is actually a real cutie. Amy was pretty, but her character was always kind of dry in my opinion. If this new gal's character is half as cute as the actress, I won't mind much if she speaks her dialogue really fast. Put her in a sexy outfit, and I won't be listening to much of what she says anyway. ; ) Rowrr!!

  • March 23, 2012, 3:37 p.m. CST

    Face of Evil

    by HornOrSilk

    I always enjoy this story -- however, the sum of its parts isn't as good as the parts. It's scenes in it which make me enjoy it and watch it with delight. Leela and the Doctor hit it off well; the humor with the Doctor (jelly babies), and of course, Tom playing the crazy Xoanon... yep fun.

  • March 23, 2012, 3:38 p.m. CST

    I think people are being too literal with speech

    by HornOrSilk

    What I get from the companion is that she will be thinking ahead of the Doctor, two steps ahead of him; not because she is living time in reverse like River Song, but because she is not all she appears to be. I wouldn't be surprised if she is Romana. Or something along those lines..

  • March 23, 2012, 3:43 p.m. CST

    I'm not sure that's it, Perigee

    by DoctorTom

    I got the impression of being able to move fast, and maybe also talking fast (all the easier to cram those speeches in). Where the old phrase the Doctor used was *come along, Ponds*, I think the new phrase will be *Hold up a moment* so the Doctor can catch up. Maybe she'll be rushing headlong into things faster than the Doctor. I don't see a time reversal thing for the new companion like they did for River, though. That said, I wouldn't be surprised if she turns out to be somewhat Romana-ish. I realy, really, really, really, really, reaaly, REALLY hope though that Moffat goes the Mrs. Peel route with her. Whether or not it involves a catsuit.

  • March 23, 2012, 3:48 p.m. CST

    I'm very ready to say goodbye to Amy/Rory ...

    by GINGE_MUPPET

    I loved Amy to begin with ... Then I went a bit cold. Then Rory was fully inserted into the show and cold turned to dislike. I don't know why but they just didn't work for me at all ... They placed too much burden on Smith's character and made the whole show feel like some kind of angst-ridden family drama. If it had just been Amy I think it could of worked ... as a pair they dominated each story too much, far too much.

  • March 23, 2012, 4:06 p.m. CST

    Origin goes a lot to capability, though, Doc.

    by Perigee

    I don't care if she's Super Shopgirl, and took tae-bo classes; how well she'd be able to handle a Judoon at first sight or deal with a Sontaran is important to her Peel-ish-ness. I dream of unflappable with the light brown hair; I don't care how many brothers she had growing up, a counter at Harrods doesn't prepare you for this kind of thing. Unless she has an electronic thumb... ...Now, how cool would THAT be? +Hello; my name is Trillian. Going my way?+

  • March 23, 2012, 4:13 p.m. CST

    Just like doctortom said

    by Mister Vertue

    He beat me to it actually. Just as Earth isn't the only planet with a north, humans aren't the only living things in the universe to get cold at Christmas. I bet a Slitheen would wear a colourful jumper if the temperature dropped enough.

  • March 23, 2012, 4:16 p.m. CST

    I'm also guessing

    by Mister Vertue

    For someone to keep Matt's Doctor on his toes, they'd have to be someone rather special indeed, wouldn't you say? Hardly 'just another shopgirl'...

  • Can we call her Clarence?

  • March 23, 2012, 4:26 p.m. CST

    Don't mind me, MOV - I'm just jawing through my afternoon.

    by Perigee

    It keeps me from falling asleep in the crypt. Like I said, Grand Moff. But crabbing is cheap, and time consuming.

  • March 23, 2012, 4:27 p.m. CST

    @hornorsilk - Spot on assessment of 'Face of Evil' - I agree 100%

    by obijuanmartinez

  • March 23, 2012, 4:28 p.m. CST

    (And I still say Trillian would be Wonderful. Nyeeah.)

    by Perigee

  • March 23, 2012, 4:54 p.m. CST

    First JLC WHAT

    by veteran_of_mu

    MOV's right, the curls in her hair spell Slitheen!

  • March 23, 2012, 4:55 p.m. CST

    MOV - now I want to see a Slitheen wearing a jumper

    by DoctorTom

    in a Christmas episode, of course. Or in a charity sketch - a Slitheen Family sitcom sketch

  • March 23, 2012, 4:58 p.m. CST

    Perigee - it might be a different movie for this Christmas

    by DoctorTom

    If she triple dog dares the Doctor to do something, we'll know what movie we've got

  • March 23, 2012, 4:58 p.m. CST

    Great job, Merrick on the Wash stuff

    by gotilk

    and everything else. Is it just me, or do those captures/stills look crisper, more colorful than some of the others we've seen so far? Even from the Tom Baker era?

  • March 23, 2012, 5:26 p.m. CST

    So, MOV -- is this a hint? ;)

    by HornOrSilk

    The Doctor has a Slitheen companion? (Yes, I know... just wonder how long before the rumor spreads across the net now....)

  • March 23, 2012, 5:27 p.m. CST

    But let me just say once without being too annoying about it...

    by gotilk

    Whotininnies?

  • March 23, 2012, 5:31 p.m. CST

    doctortom you'll shoot your eye out

    by HornOrSilk

    Hohoho

  • March 23, 2012, 5:35 p.m. CST

    hornorsilk - only if we get the Red Ryder BB Gun in the show

    by DoctorTom

    alien dog running off with the Christmas meal would be amusing too.

  • March 23, 2012, 5:51 p.m. CST

    For the Slitheen companion who has everything...

    by gotilk

    http://www.shopinprivate.com/flatfarfilun.html

  • March 23, 2012, 6:05 p.m. CST

    First pic of new girl makes her look like David Tennant.

    by Bedknobs and Boomsticks

    Look at her face through your curled hand, blocking her hair.

  • March 23, 2012, 6:16 p.m. CST

    I figured it out

    by HornOrSilk

    The jumper is the companion, the body it is on is its clothing...

  • March 23, 2012, 6:18 p.m. CST

    My curled hand is busy when I look at her, B&B. Sorry.

    by Perigee

    Ok - that was rude, but I just had to take the joke.

  • March 23, 2012, 6:29 p.m. CST

    Like Venom, hornersilk!!!! Brilliant!

    by Perigee

    Attack of the Wooly Jumper! And the best bit is you can just regenerate the companion by sticking a new girl in it! ...As long as it doesn't make her slick her hair down and do dance numbers...

  • March 23, 2012, 6:43 p.m. CST

    This is AICN talkback. No need to apologize for being rude.

    by Bedknobs and Boomsticks

    Though you should apologize for being tame.

  • March 23, 2012, 6:52 p.m. CST

    They're even bigger on the inside

    by Ed

    after the legs and the nose we now have the rack... yes!

  • March 23, 2012, 7:20 p.m. CST

    WOW! This is like a bumper edition Friday Whoback!

    by CHRISTIAN_BALE_TRASHED_MY_LIGHTS

    So much to read and so little time to do it (as it's just gone midnight here in the UK)!

  • March 23, 2012, 7:29 p.m. CST

    This is NOT an AICN talkback

    by MediaGold

    this is a Docback so being rude or slightly offensive in any way can get you banned so watch your fingers. Be very vanilla and neutered, just like the Tesh! Oops, was that offensive? Please don't blast me into AICN limbo, Mr. Merrick sir.

  • March 23, 2012, 7:38 p.m. CST

    Who am I? Who am I? Who am I?!!!

    by kwisatzhaderach

    Part Three cliffhanger is one of the all-time greats.

  • March 23, 2012, 7:46 p.m. CST

    Something just hit me.

    by gotilk

    I get a strange feeling we will not learn this companion's name for a while, if not during the episode itself.

  • March 23, 2012, 7:58 p.m. CST

    I have a theory..

    by steverogers5

    I think what will happen with Amy and Rory is as follows:- Amy gets zapped by the Angels back in time. Where she is reunited with Rory's earlier roman centurian who is still looking after her past self in the pandorica, and she elects to stay with him and live out her life then, so his lonely vigil isn't so bad for a while. And he either, after she eventually dies back then, has to wipe his memory of their time together to avoid changing the future, or maybe he actually knows that this was always going to happen and has always had to keep quiet about it. Both would be rather tragic yes? Anyway the new companion looks lovely. And I'm looking forward to having her on the show. Just as long as she has some intelligence to her and isn't a chav like Rose, I'll be happy to see her stay on the show for a long time to come!

  • March 23, 2012, 9:53 p.m. CST

    What the New Who needs is more -The _Noun_ of _Sinister Term_-.

    by Perigee

    Planet of Evil. Seeds of Doom. The Hand of Fear. The Face of Evil. The Robots of Death. Classic episodes with a formula for success: The Noun of Sinister Term. It hasn't been done properly recently. Time of The Angels - horribly undescriptive and un-thrilling. The Vampires of Venice - closer, but all turned around; The Venice of Vampires would have painted a much more exciting picture. I suggest for the fiftieth we return to classic form. Let's have some proper titles: The Cheese of Horror Knuckle of Repulsion The Lamp of Desecration

  • March 23, 2012, 10:29 p.m. CST

    The first genuine HAT of the JLC era.

    by veteran_of_mu

    I think we all missed it. When you come to think about it's really pretty obvious. I mean, seriously, look really hard at JLC in her sweater here. It's obviously misdirection. You focus on her Dalek bumps. You notice the impish smile. But do you see what you're not seeing? Something really obvious. Something you never, ever see a Companion missing. Something ... or perhaps I should say ... someone? Look at the colours on that sweater. Don't they remind you of something? Something you've seen before ... something we all got used to ... back in the 1970s? Remember the Moff says she's faster than Matt Smith. And the Moff likes to drop hints. Could it be JLC isn't a companion? Maybe ... the companion really is Sophia Myles? Okay, I'll just spit it out. But remember, you heard it here first. It's HAT 2923. Jenna-Louise Coleman is the 12th Doctor!

  • March 23, 2012, 10:34 p.m. CST

    Also I bet it's fun to watch her run.

    by veteran_of_mu

  • March 23, 2012, 10:35 p.m. CST

    obijuanmartinez

    by DrMorbius

    Thanks for posting the link for the 'Face of Evil' episode. Much appreciated mate.

  • March 23, 2012, 10:41 p.m. CST

    HAT 2923 also explains why Moff won't reveal the character name.

    by veteran_of_mu

    ~Who she's playing, how the Doctor meets her, and even where he finds her are all part of one of the biggest mysteries the Time Lord ever encounters,~ Moffat said. ~Even by the Doctor's standards, this isn't your usual boy meets girl.~ Hold on, we're in for a bumpy ride ...

  • March 24, 2012, 12:18 a.m. CST

    I watched some of "The Horror of Fang Rock" the other day...

    by I am_NOTREAL

    and while I remembered that story as creepy and atmospheric, I found it dull and plodding (and amateurish) now. But Leela still rules. Best companion ever.

  • ~Eyes...? Yes - Two: Good, good. Hair - hmm. Viking... Ears... WHAT THE HELL ARE THESE??? My God! I've Got Boobies!!! (Honk!Honk!)~ WHHHHHOOOORRRRRRRR. WOOO WOOO!

  • March 24, 2012, 2:25 a.m. CST

    remember the 11th hour

    by Johnboy40

    when the doctor crashed in young Amelia Pond's garden? and young Amelia lived with just her auntie? the angels whip amy back in time. she is aware that something funny happens to amelia's parents, so she becomes part of their life before her own birth. so much so that amelia considers here an auntie. and she knows that she has to stay away on a certain night (leaving a 10 year old on her own, which i always thought rather odd), and the tragedy is, she knows she has to do it because if she doesnt, the time line gets screwed and the universe gets destroyed. gives them an excuse to get caitlin blackwood back as well. plus , here is a snippet of trivia i picked up the other day. remember merrick reviewed a story called the daleks, which was the first doctors second story? apparently, the original production designer assigned to show had to pull out due to a scheduling clash. so this person never got to design the daleks. this person was, apparently, Ridley Scott. Dunno if its true, but its pretty cool if it is

  • March 24, 2012, 2:40 a.m. CST

    perigee

    by gotilk

    This is going to be fun. The Gorgonzola of Lactic Trepidation. The Knuckle of Erectile Consternation. The Porridge of Hominy Dread. The Reptile of Enfeebled Fright. The BeanBag of Drooping Dismay.

  • March 24, 2012, 2:46 a.m. CST

    I have not heard the term WhoBack since

    by gotilk

    we were first talking about what to call this. christian_bale_trashed_my_lights you must have been there.

  • March 24, 2012, 2:50 a.m. CST

    Leela

    by Kevin Bolinger

    She was a fun companion. Some great episodes with her. Also, she would not always call out for the Doctor, she knew how to stand her ground :)

  • March 24, 2012, 3:11 a.m. CST

    Why would you fear being banned from this site?

    by Bedknobs and Boomsticks

    Silly.

  • March 24, 2012, 4:04 a.m. CST

    I don't recall anyone mentioning fear.

    by gotilk

    But nice imagination.

  • As for Leela, I remember those being my favorite episodes. Gothic and creepy. Also, didn't they have a different control room for one of those seasons that was really cool but they never used again? I remember loving that control room, for whatever reason.

  • March 24, 2012, 6:57 a.m. CST

    HAPPY OFFICIAL DOCTOR WHO CONVENTION DAY, EVERYONE!

    by CHRISTIAN_BALE_TRASHED_MY_LIGHTS

  • March 24, 2012, 7:01 a.m. CST

    GOTIK

    by CHRISTIAN_BALE_TRASHED_MY_LIGHTS

    I probably was!

  • March 24, 2012, 7:23 a.m. CST

    Questions on Classic Who's City Of Death

    by veteran_of_mu

    And actually beginning to warm to it. But I am interested in relationships with Dr 11's cracks - the same shape as the crack in this episode's picture of Romana. Now Scaroth says that he's been shattered with splinters of himself appearing all over time. Then: Captain Tancredii: ~Time is running out Doctor~ Doctor: ~What do you mean time is running out? It's only 1505~. Which of course is echoed by Dr 11 in FAS: ~What if time could run out?~ Then we have Scaroth causing humanity to develop a technological culture - just as the Silents did. Can the two have been ignorant of each other? And finally the Doctor explicitly refers to the small time shifts he experienced as ~cracks in time~. At the end of the arc Scaroth - or at least one fragment of him - is destroyed by the butler Herman. But there were 12 splinters of Scaroth. Perhaps one per Doctor ... Finally there's the strong resemblance of Scaroth's ship to the proto-Tardis featured in The Lodger. They're not identical. But can such a strong resemblance really be coincidence?

  • March 24, 2012, 7:54 a.m. CST

    Philip Madoc - 1934 - 2012

    by gotilk

    He died on 5 March 2012 at the Michael Sobell Hospice in Middlesex, after 'a short illness'. It was revealed that in January of that year he had been diagnosed with cancer. He was known for many roles, but Doctor Who fans will recognize him from his many performances in Doctor Who, starting with the sequel to the first Peter Cushing *Dalek* film Daleks - Invasion Earth 2150 AD (1966), followed by roles in Second Doctor serials The Krotons and The War Games, as well as two Fourth Doctor serials The Brain of Morbious and The Power of Kroll. He also appeared in sci-fi series' UFO, Space 1999 and the UK post-apocalyptic series Survivors. He was patron to a St Albans-based theatre school for children called Best Theatre Arts and President of the London Welsh Male Voice Choir. He is survived by his children, son Rhys and daughter Lowri as well as grandchildren. Sorry if someone posted about this already or I missed it in another DocBack, but I thought it was of note. http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-wales-17255287 A career in pictures: http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-wales-south-east-wales-17255155 R.I.P.

  • March 24, 2012, 7:59 a.m. CST

    christian_bale_trashed_my_lights

    by gotilk

    Happy official convention day to you as well. Are you going? Who here is actually going to be there?

  • March 24, 2012, 8:01 a.m. CST

    caractacuspotts

    by gotilk

    They actually are quite similar. I think City of Death is delightful. One of my favorites. At certain moments though, as with many episodes of the era, there is a significant shock (for me, visually) when things switch between being shot on video, then film.

  • March 24, 2012, 9:52 a.m. CST

    Madoc Lovin': Video Links to some of his 'Who' hits...

    by obijuanmartinez

    Peter Cushing - 'Daleks: Invasion Earth 2150 AD': http://www.dailymotion.com/video/xancme_daleks-invasion-of-earth-2150-a-d-p_shortfilms 'The Brain of Morbius': http://www.dailymotion.com/video/x8i3ri_the-brain-of-morbius-part-9_shortfilms 'The Krotons': http://www.dailymotion.com/video/xpci4k_the-krotons-part1_shortfilms

  • March 24, 2012, 10:04 a.m. CST

    daegol21, i agree completely...

    by kevin k.

    i find myself less and less interested in watching doctor who on a regular basis, even though i like matt smith and karen gillan quite a lot. the pace is just waaay too frenetic, with every character yelling all the time, running everywhere, the music at a non-stop 11, and a cut every 5 seconds, even in scenes where not much is happening. this started to happen back with tennant, but it didn't take over every single episode like it does now. and i'm not saying that i don't like fast paced action sequences, because i love them. it's just that they seemed to have lost confidence in quieter character moments, and that they feel that if the pace dips one iota everyone will change the channel immediately. i'm not saying they have to go back to the pace of the pertwee era (although inferno is one of my all time favorites-- what a slow-burn!), it's just that when everyone's running around yelling ALL THE TIME, it all starts to seem a little bit silly.

  • March 24, 2012, 12:06 p.m. CST

    The official convention...

    by Andy Buckle

    I'm attending tomorrow. Today, however, I've just returned from the Tardis tour, and I'm still trying to fully process the fact that I was actually there. A slightly surreal but wonderful experience :-)

  • March 24, 2012, 12:09 p.m. CST

    Here's a big surprise: spoilers

    by HornOrSilk

    Daleks in S7.

  • March 24, 2012, 1:06 p.m. CST

    Caractuspotts, it's even more complicated than that

    by DoctorTom

    at least the influencing the human race part. It's not only Scaroth and the Silents. In the Daemons, we find that Azal's race has been treating the Earth as an experiment for the last 100,000 years. And, of course, Fenric had been manipulating things on Earth. There's also the period of time between 1638 and 1988 where every 25 years Nemesis was having an effect on the Earth and making bad things happen (if the Doctor wasn't lying). So, there's a whole lot of meddling going on. Yes, the ship seen that had the Silents time machine inside did look similar to the Jageroth spaceship. Remember, though, that the Jageroth spaceship was exactly that and not a timeship. Scaroth's fragmentation and scattering though time came only from the ship exploding - maybe it was using the same fuel as the space freighter Adric brought in for a hard landing (or, having read the TARDIS databanks and finding out that a spaceship explosion created human life, Adric decided that with his ship crashing he wanted to do something memorable like wipe out the dinosaurs). We'll probably find out that the plans for the spaceship part came from a sister race (thus avoiding having to pay royalties to Douglas Adams) instead of the Jageroth themselves. Then again, Gareth Roberts' favorite era of Who was Season 17, so it could be a shout out to the Jageroth. So, it's possible. The Silence being a religious movement and also having the power of time travel, it's possible they copied plans from others in the past. Maybe they had burrowed into the Jageroth world the way they did with Earth. Maybe Azal's committing suicide wasn't because of Jo wanting to sacrifice herself, maybe it was a Silent telling Azal that his time was up since they don't want him mucking up the plans the Silents have (hey, at least it makes more sense than what they gave us - maybe when they release the Daemons on DVD we can get a Special Edition that shows some Silents in the background now and then. And Roger Delgado hearing the drums.)

  • either that or Brain of Morbius. I don't think The Krotons or The Power of Kroll are the proper way to remember him right now. A wonderful actor, though, and he will be missed.

  • March 24, 2012, 1:10 p.m. CST

    Obijuan - City of Death has kind of already been revisited

    by DoctorTom

    It's called Dirk Gently's Holistic Detective Agency.

  • March 24, 2012, 1:11 p.m. CST

    No, I didn't go to the convention

    by CHRISTIAN_BALE_TRASHED_MY_LIGHTS

    Although I wish I HAD gone now. Would love the opportunity to walk around that TARDIS.

  • March 24, 2012, 1:12 p.m. CST

    not-ted-danson, I disagree

    by DoctorTom

    I don't think they've lost confidence in quieter character moments. Vincent and the Doctor, The Girl Who Waited, and for that matter The Doctor's Wife show that they will still do quieter character moments.

  • March 24, 2012, 1:16 p.m. CST

    Hornorsilk re: spoilers

    by DoctorTom

    They also said during the first batch of episodes. I'm guessing episode 2, the one that Moffat said that he can't reveal the title of yet for risk of spoiling things. After last year, though, there would be some distinct implications if we had the title The Silence of the Daleks. In fact, now that I've typed that title out I really want to see an episode with this title.

  • ...will definitely keep my eyes peeled for the influence - thanks for the tip!

  • March 24, 2012, 2:26 p.m. CST

    Just 62 days left 'til Towel Day - May 25th

    by obijuanmartinez

  • ...was last year: http://www.combom.co.uk/2011/06/terry-pratchett-to-write-for-doctor-who.html

  • March 24, 2012, 3:31 p.m. CST

    Season 7 Coming Soon Trailer

    by DoctorTom

    Somebody filmed the Season 7 Coming Soon trailer, and it's posted now: http://tinyurl.com/87xme7g Obviously it's not the best quality; I'm sure we'll be getting an official trailer posted by the BBC in a couple of days. Still, this will help people get excited about the next season. We even see Ben Browder briefly in the clip!

  • I found this headline, with a picture showing the companion: http://tinyurl.com/6v7w9z3

  • I hope the BBC will post it on their website very soon. Also, anyone know when Doctor Who series 7 wil start?

  • March 24, 2012, 5:51 p.m. CST

    I'm So Glad The Doctor Has A Reason To Wear His Fedora

    by CHRISTIAN_BALE_TRASHED_MY_LIGHTS

    I really love the idea of a Wild West Doctor Who (and, yes, I know it's been done before in the show). Specifically, I love the idea of Eleven in the Wild West. I wonder if there's going to be an American episode in every season now, to keep BBC America happy? I wonder what other parts of American history they could explore?

  • March 24, 2012, 5:56 p.m. CST

    Was that a Hartnell-look-alike in S7 Coming Soon?

    by veteran_of_mu

    I mean ... there aren't too many grey haired men who favour that hairstyle, are there? @Doctom - I guess the question is whether all these meddlers are meddling in the same stream. One meddler can trump another. With the Doc as the greatest meddler of them all I guess. Hmm. Now there's a nice episode title. The Meddlers. Could show each of them revealing themselves only to discover that they themselves have been meddled. So would the right order be Doc > Silents > Daemons > Fenric > Nemesis ? I have a feeling there are several more who ought to be in on this ...

  • March 24, 2012, 6:27 p.m. CST

    You forgot the crucial one, Caractuspotts

    by DoctorTom

    The Meddling Monk. Though, I suspect the Doctor would rank as #1 among the meddlers , though the Master should probably get an inclusion in there if for no other reason than wiping out a good chunk of the universe in Logopolis. (I just suspect the drums were beating very heavily when he tried to send a message through to the peoples of the universe with the aid of the radio telescope and expected to promptly hear back from everybody).

  • March 24, 2012, 7:44 p.m. CST

    That Coming Soon trailer looks like huge fun.

    by gotilk

    Thanks!! Really hoping we get a decent quality version soon now. Much of it was hard to make out, but it looks like they have upped their game, scale-wise this series. It looks massive. Even if it's all trickery... and let's face it, it's all trickery. TV and movies, that is. Oh and if that rumour is true about Pratchett , color me hugely excited.

  • March 24, 2012, 7:47 p.m. CST

    Oh my... at 56 seconds... yes...

    by gotilk

    very much so. Very Hartnell-like face and hair. Hard to miss. Strange.

  • March 24, 2012, 7:52 p.m. CST

    Also, Let's help Wash and Tash.

    by gotilk

    Did anyone consider sending them some help? I'm pretty broke and teetering on the edge of my own little (no.. not little at all really) impending tragedy but I think I can scrape a little something together anyway by giving up a little something her and there this next month. I don't want to put any pressure on anyone, but I was just curious to see if anyone had considered trying to do something/send something.

  • March 24, 2012, 8:09 p.m. CST

    One last post for now, this time a video...

    by gotilk

    I've seen a lot of these fan-made 50th anniversary videos by now. But this one stood out, moved me. Especially ol' Bernard, there's an actor that can pull the heartstrings like a pro. I seriously have hoped that they would find a way to bring him back into the picture again, even if only just once. Even if only for a few minutes. http://youtu.be/zm7aE4xUjwQ

  • March 24, 2012, 8:45 p.m. CST

    @doctortom & @caractus - You forgot The Fendahl...(more)

    by obijuanmartinez

    Saw your thread, and it made me think of 'Image of the Fendahl' (Tom Baker, 1977): The Fendahl evolved on the Fifth Planet, which was placed in a time loop by the Time Lords when they discovered the danger of a life-form that fed on death itself. They also removed all trace of the Fendahl from their records, leading it to pass into legend A Fendahl survived - During 'Image', the Doctor mentions it 'probably took Mars' on its way to Earth. This skull was able to affect the development of humans in order to produce a species it could use (Dr. Fendleman - 'Man of the Fendahl') to regenerate

  • ...they could pull the wool over the eyes of Lord Vetinari himself! Go to the 4:00 mark: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T6ABsHp5wrM

  • ...the Osirans (alleged to hold godlike powers) cornered Sutekh on Earth, imprisoning him in a pyramid, with a forcefield beamed from Mars. He also mentioned to Sarah at the time the entirety of Egyptian culture was founded on the Osiran way

  • March 24, 2012, 9:22 p.m. CST

    Quiet Character moments

    by Deagol21

    They may have occasional quiet moments with a companion or someone they meet along the way, but we don't get them often enough. And we sure don't get many of them from the Doc himself. I like Matt Smith's portrayal of the Doctor, and he can really turn on the dramatic chops when needed - which I quite enjoy. But we don't get enough moments where we get to see him really figuring things out. With other Doctors, we got to see him really using his superior intelligence at work while trying to thwart an enemy. But now he almost seems too smart and godlike for his own good.

  • March 24, 2012, 10:16 p.m. CST

    Hello, Stormageddon. It’s The Doctor, here to help.

    by Perigee

    Be quiet. Go to sleep. No really. Stop crying. You’ve got a lot to look forward to you know. A normal human life on Earth. Mortgage repayments, the 9 to 5, a persistent nagging sense of spiritual emptiness. Save the tears for later, boyo. Oh, that was crabby. No, that was old. But I am old, Stormy. I am so old. So near the end. But you, Alfie Owens. You are so young, aren’t you? And you know, right now, everything’s ahead of you. You could be anything. Yes, I know. You could walk among the stars. They don’t actually look like that, you know — they are rather more impressive. [uses his sonic to make a starry sky appear on the ceiling] Yeah! You know, when I was little like you, I dreamt of the stars. I think it’s fair to say, in the language of your age, that I lived my dream. I owned the stage. Gave it a hundred and ten percent. I hope you have as much fun as I did, Alfie.

  • March 24, 2012, 10:24 p.m. CST

    The girl who waited. Come here you.

    by Perigee

    That's funny I thought if you could hear me I could hang on somehow, silly me; silly old Doctor. When you wake up you'll have a mum and dad, and you won't even remember me. Well you'll remember me a little, I'll be a story in your head, but that's ok we're all stories in the end; just make it a good one, eh? Cause it was, you know. It was the best, a daft old man who stole a magic box, and ran away. Did I ever tell you that I stole it? Well, I borrowed it I was always going to take it back. Oh that box, Amy you'll dream about that box. It'll never leave you, big and little at the same time, brand new a ancient and the bluest blue ever. And the times we had eh? Would've had, never had. In your dreams they'll still be there, The Doctor and Amy Pond: and the days that never came. The cracks are closing, but they can't close properly until I'm on the other side. I don't belong here anymore. I think I'll skip the rest of the rewind, I hate repeats. Live well, love Rory. Bye bye, Pond.

  • March 24, 2012, 10:56 p.m. CST

    Apollo Eleven's your secret weapon?

    by Perigee

    No no. It's not Apollo Eleven. That would be silly. It's Neil Armstrong's foot. --------------------------------------------- But you'll have to find her, I'm off to NASA. --------------------------------------------- Nixon: Doctor, you have to give me more than this. What were you doing to Apollo Eleven? The Doctor: A thing. A clever thing. Now. No more questions. You have to trust me. And nobody else. -------------------------------------------- The Silence: We have ruled your lives since your lives began. You should kill us all on sight. But you will never remember. We weren't even here. Your will is ours! Canton: Well. Sorry to disappoint you. But thanks, that's exactly what I needed to hear. This is a video phone. Whatever a video phone is. --------------------------------------------- Sorry, are you in middle of something? Just had to say though, have you seen what's on the telly? Oh 'allo, Amy. Are you all right? Wanna watch some television? --------------------------------------------- Now, come on. A bit of history for you. Aren't you proud, 'cause you helped. Now. Do you know how many people are watching this live on the telly? Half a billion. And that's nothing, because the human race will spread out among the stars—you just watch them fly. Billions and billions of them, for billions and billions of years. And every single one of them at some point in their lives will look back at this man taking that very first step and they will never ever forget it. ---------------------------------------------- And one whacking great kick up the backside for the Silence. You just raised an army against yourself. And now, for a thousand generations, you're going to be ordering them to destroy you every day. How fast can you run? 'Cause today's the day the human race throw you off their planet. They won't even know they're doing it. I think quite possibly the word you're looking for right now is, "Oops! Run."

  • March 24, 2012, 11:55 p.m. CST

    This is a secure phone! What are you doing here?

    by Perigee

    Yeah, I know. You should switch me off. But before you do, watch this. Fermat's Theorem. The proof. And I mean the real one. Never been seen before. Poor Fermat got killed in a duel before he could write it down. My fault. I slept in. Oh! And here's an oldie but a goodie: why electrons have mass. And a personal favorite of mine. Faster than light travel with two diagrams and a joke. Sir, what are you doing? The Doctor: I am writing a computer virus. Very clever, super fast, and a tiny bit alive. But don't let on! ------------------------------------------ And, we're off. Look at that. Look... at... That. Yeah, I know; it's just a clock, whatever. But do you know what's happening right now? In one little bedroom, my team are working. Jeff and the world. And do you know what they're doing? They're spreading the word, all over the world, quantum fast. The word is out. And do you know what the word is? The word is Zero. Now, me - if I were up in the sky in a battleship, monitoring all Earth communications, I would probably take that as a hint. And if I had an whole battlefleet surrounding the planet, I'd be able to track a simple old computer virus to it's source in - what? Under a minute? The source, by the way, is right here. OH! And I think they've just found us! This is the good bit. I mean, this is my favorite bit: Do you know what this phone is full of? Pictures of you. Every form you've learned to take. Right here. And being uploaded... now. And the final score is - No TARDIS, no screwdriver, two minutes to spare. Who da man?

  • March 25, 2012, 12:12 a.m. CST

    And there goes some quiet moments, and some Doctor figuring out.

    by Perigee

    If there is an area of disconnect, it isn't in the pieces, it's how they are assembled. DW is not a procedural anymore - if it ever was one. He works internally - he had been working on Amy's Ganger for episodes, even going so far as to investigate the flesh that formed it without sharing it with anyone, especially us. In retrospect, you can always see him putting the pieces in place. But he doesn't telegraph it. Much. And I'm not sure the show would have been better for the breadcrumbs: ~How can you be pregnant and not pregnant at the same time? It's almost as if... there were two Amys!~ ++STINGER MUSIC++ We got to play with the clues all by ourselves for a couple glorious months, playing in the HAT factory, instead. Personally, I prefer it that way. But that's just me - YMMV.

  • March 25, 2012, 12:21 a.m. CST

    Playing in the HAT Factory... I like that perigree.

    by gotilk

    Great stuff.

  • http://www.aintitcool.com/node/49543 May 07, 2011 11:08:15 PM CDT Spoilers. Huge, Perhaps. Only if I'm right, of course. The thing is, none of this is happening. Not really. At least, not to Amy. For the second time, we see that peep hole; for the second time, opened from the "outside." Both times, a reassuring, clinical voice - each time, a figure in clinical white. You have two choices - the first is that for some reason, the peep hole, and the room beyond it is following Amy. The second is that Amy isn't actually going anywhere at all: the window is static, and she just believes she's moving. If it's moving, it's impossible - it's moving through time and space, in another dimension. A cloaked TARDIS with a peephole, parked three feet off Amy Pond's eyeline. The same height relative to when she's standing or laying down. You have to admit, its proximity to her thus far has been awfully consistent. The alternative - the logical alternative - is that Amy is going nowhere, is immobile, and that window is opening in the same place all the time because it's in the same place relative to her all the time. But then, that's just one of her - or one part of her. To say that this whole season is one big hallucination wouldn't be exactly true; it could have been, but then we'd be invalidating The Doctor and Rory, and that wouldn't be nice. Somehow, Amy - her consciousness - is like alternating current, 60hz, back and forth between two places. Pregnant/Not Pregnant/Pregnant/Not Pregnant... ------------------------------------ I love it when a HAT comes together.

  • March 25, 2012, 1:06 a.m. CST

    Also of small, personal note

    by Perigee

    I had to go back into "The Eleventh Hour" to transcribe that part... and ended up watching the rest of the episode, and onto the next. Again. I think the last run-through was on the train. About two months ago. Some people aren't hot on this incarnation, but the Moff/Smith series are so addictive to me it's a sickness. For me, Never is too soon to end it. I'm fifty years and eight days old. It's ridiculous and wonderful that I can get such a charge over some pirouetting, capering, fast-talking loon in a blue box. It's a constant source of amazement. My birthday gift to myself? A Bump and Go Cybermat. I want to watch it zizz off. Grand Moff. Huge gratitude for keeping me 12 years old.

  • March 25, 2012, 2:47 a.m. CST

    @Perigee - HATs off to you!

    by veteran_of_mu

    It must be very gratifying to find your HAT in the ring so to speak. Despite throwing a lot of them around, I don't think one of mine has definitively landed on a peg yet. I live in hope. And ... 50 years minus about 8 weeks here. I wonder how many of us here are old enough to have been propped in a basinet in front of a B&W telly playing TUC all those years ago?

  • March 25, 2012, 2:54 a.m. CST

    Um, AUC.

    by veteran_of_mu

  • March 25, 2012, 5:16 a.m. CST

    Gotlik

    by CHRISTIAN_BALE_TRASHED_MY_LIGHTS

    That 50th anniversary video you linked to was awesome! I just favourited it, so I can watch it again.

  • March 25, 2012, 6:37 a.m. CST

    Agreed with Christian Bale. So ...

    by veteran_of_mu

    I think we should just give up and register ourselves as a religion. I mean, I pretty much believe in him at this point, don't you?

  • March 25, 2012, 9:25 a.m. CST

    Moff denies divinity; Docback disagrees

    by Perigee

    Moff: I'm not the Messiah! Will you please listen? I am not the Messiah, do you understand? Honestly! Docback: Only the true Messiah denies His divinity. Moff: What? Well, what sort of chance does that give me? All right! I am the Messiah! Docback: He is! He is the Messiah! Moff: Now, fuck off! [silence] Docback: How shall we fuck off, O Lord?

  • March 25, 2012, 9:48 a.m. CST

    No no, Moff is just his prophet.

    by veteran_of_mu

    Hope I don't get stoned for saying "just". Aw, heck, I probably wrote this stoned in the first place.

  • March 25, 2012, 10:42 a.m. CST

    The First Task Of The High Church Of Moff Should Be...

    by CHRISTIAN_BALE_TRASHED_MY_LIGHTS

    ...the elimination of the anti-Moff. Or, more specifically, the anti-Moff's blasphemous writings. Down with CBS! http://blog.zap2it.com/frominsidethebox/2012/03/sherlock-creator-steven-moffat-on-elementary-its-not-our-show.html

  • In the nicest possible Moffian way, of course. I would give good money to hear The Moff say "sicc balls." Just to know he's capable of it. His mother raised him entirely too well. He needs Christian Bale to give him some furious lessons. Willing to do some pro-bono work, CBTML? We'll give you the first sainthood - Saint Bale of the Crossness. You could be the Patron Saint of strong language.

  • March 25, 2012, 12:44 p.m. CST

    I want the Ogrons back...

    by lynxpro

    Seriously, I'm tired out of the Daleks. Unless the Ogrons are brought in, or Abslom Daak makes an appearance, or something else awesomeish. I'd also like to see 80s style Cybermen back. I can't stand the Cybusmen.

  • March 25, 2012, 1:03 p.m. CST

    Perigee, I think you might have the wrong Church there...

    by DoctorTom

    I believe it is the Church of Warren Ellis that is into rending the balls of heretics asunder, amongst other things. And his prophet is Patrick Stewart as Spider Jerusalem (which apparently he has actually done up on a table whilst drunk...)

  • And you have offered no proof that he siccs them prior to rending. We Could claim the ball siccing, and then sub-contract Warren Ellis for the rending part, however. That way, everybody's happy.

  • March 25, 2012, 1:16 p.m. CST

    perigee

    by CHRISTIAN_BALE_TRASHED_MY_LIGHTS

    Saint Bale of the Crossness! I like it! All lights will explode in my presence.

  • March 25, 2012, 1:35 p.m. CST

    @lynxpro: On Ogrons, etc.

    by obijuanmartinez

    Me too - I loved them in 'Frontier in Space'. Come to think of it, let's have the Draconians back as well! (or for you old-school readers of the Doctor Who Magazine - The Skeletoids!)

  • March 25, 2012, 1:58 p.m. CST

    obijuanmartinez re: Transmetropolitan

    by DoctorTom

    Warren Ellis has publicly stated that Patrick Stewart would be his choice for Spider Jerusalem. Yes, I like what Ellis did in Planetary (not just the issue with Spider - all of it).

  • March 25, 2012, 2:01 p.m. CST

    Ogrons

    by DoctorTom

    I like them, but I don't suspect that there will be any rush to bring them back soon. For just about anything that you could have used the Ogrons for, you could use the Judoon now. That said, I wouldn't mind seeing the Ogrons back, especially if you could see them going against Judoon. Or Sontarans. Or a 3 way battle between all of them. A Sontaran, a Judoon and an Ogron walk into a bar...

  • March 25, 2012, 2:18 p.m. CST

    Doctor Who to shoot in America again

    by DoctorTom

    Convention news that's been posted: Doctor Who will return to America to shoot the final story featuring Amy and Rory, as they depart the series in an epic battle with the Weeping Angels to be shot in New York.

  • March 25, 2012, 3:19 p.m. CST

    perigee

    by gotilk

    Seriously, best laugh I've had in years.

  • March 25, 2012, 3:23 p.m. CST

    In 1984 there was a cartoon called Sherlock Hound.

    by gotilk

    CBS should re-make that instead. It was an anime series, 26 episodes. And if I recall, it actually wasn't so bad. It was a Miyazaki joint (Ponyo, etc yeah that Miyazaki). I'm sure they could buy the rights to it if they..... oh that's right. That's not how CBS works these days.

  • March 25, 2012, 3:25 p.m. CST

    lynxpro

    by gotilk

    I think most of us are tired of the Daleks. I agree, bring back the Ogrons. Cybusmen? LOL!!!

  • March 25, 2012, 3:28 p.m. CST

    Shooting in America again?

    by gotilk

    And New York? Interesting. Should have been San Francisco so I could pester them. The wait this time is truly excruciating. I can barely handle it.

  • March 25, 2012, 3:30 p.m. CST

    The Judoon.

    by gotilk

    I can't imagine them returning without Tennant. Why? Because of the way he says Judoon. The way he pronounces it is irreplaceable. So 50th anniversary it is then.

  • March 25, 2012, 5:40 p.m. CST

    Judoon Judoon

    by DoctorTom

    yadadadadada dadadada Judoon Judoon, yadadadadada dadadada Judoon.

  • March 26, 2012, 2:12 a.m. CST

    She looks like a teen-pop Disney kids type girl

    by ThrowMeTheIdol

    Not happy with this direction.

  • March 26, 2012, 2:51 a.m. CST

    I was fooled by the link anyway...

    by V'Shael

    Mad time lady... thought that might be an interesting way to go. Didn't realise it was a gag. Any other news to come out of the convention this weekend? Or was the Season 7 trailer and the new companion basically it?

  • March 26, 2012, 3 a.m. CST

    Season 7 broadcast dates?

    by V'Shael

    So the latest news is Season 7 airs in Autumn and breaks over the Christmas, and the remaining 8 episodes air in 2013. But I can't find any reference saying if it's early 2013, or if we wait until Autumn 2013. And although the trailers say Autumn, let's be honest, it'll be November or something, won't it? Unless they plan to air 6 or 7 episodes and then break and then have the Christmas special?

  • “I’m often asked, ‘If they get the five Doctors together, would you do it?’ and of course, I’d do it. They’ve just got to ring me up!” - Paul McGann “I’m not (involved in the 50th anniversary) at present! I’m waiting for a phone call.” “I’ve no idea if it’s even in the offing.” - David Tennant.

  • March 26, 2012, 3:21 a.m. CST

    v'shael

    by gotilk

    Oh I really, really hope it doesn't start up again as late as November. That wait would be excruciating. I was assuming it would start up again right after summer, say in late September or the first week of October. Yikes. Especially (and yes I know how important timing is for this) since they appear to have so much done already. But whenever the people who understand these things think the show will do best ratings-wise, I am 100% for. I want it back NOW. But I get it. Whatever is best for the show. *sob* It's hard out here for a Doctor Who fan.

  • http://youtu.be/xIwTm081t30 Nice little interview, maybe a bit repetitive but gives you an idea about her personality. Not her character's , which could be vastly different. I like her. She may have a sort of teen/DisneyChannelEsque LOOK, but when she opens her mouth, she seems like a bright, energetic young woman. She APPEARS a bit young to be crushing on her, but she is adorable and I'm looking forward to meeting her character (again? Hmmm...).

  • March 26, 2012, 3:40 a.m. CST

    throwmetheidol

    by gotilk

    Key word there is LOOKS. Once you've seen her speaking, that feeling goes away quickly. There's really nothing Disney-like about her aside from her appearance. My ONLY fear about her is the possibility of having her turn out to be Rose-like, personality-wise. One Rose was enough, she was fantastic. But I would hate to see the same TYPE of character again. That fear isn't based on anything REAL. And it's not much of a fear, really.

  • March 26, 2012, 4:30 a.m. CST

    McGann and Tennant are a must.

    by gotilk

    And really, McCoy. It would have been a blast if McCoy got a chance to perform in a nicely-budgeted series maybe a few years later. He was so cheated, in my opinion. I know, I know, I've said it a hundred times at the least.

  • March 26, 2012, 4:45 a.m. CST

    @Gotilk - The reason I think November-ish

    by V'Shael

    is because I think they'll use the Christmas episode as their cliffhanger or something, much like A Good Man was in Season 6. November 3rd gives us about a 7 week run into Christmas. If it was more of an August/September time frame, then we'd have 7 episodes, a break of a few weeks, Christmas, then possibly a longer break and the remaining 7 episodes some time in 2013. We'll just have to see.

  • March 26, 2012, 5:32 a.m. CST

    JLC really does come across as a very sweet person

    by veteran_of_mu

    And it's interesting that she didn't call herself a companion ... every time she was called a companion she just let it slide ... She did confirm she'll be working with Matt Smith, however. So ... Matt as the gangerdoc, a foil to the female 12th doctor? I can dig that. Especially if the gangerdoc really does go the full Valeyard.

  • Her responses didn't point to deep fan material; when asked about favorite companions, she went with the current, with a full stop. When asked about aliens, she went with the Daleks, and full stop. No waxing poetic about Romana, or even Rose. No gushing about the Silurians, The Master or the Angels - just the most obvious, iconic. That's not points against her, but it does suggest that perhaps the whole 'companion' term we use doesn't carry the same psychic weight with her that it does with us. She's new - nobody's taught her to gush the buzzwords yet.

  • No proof, but suggesting that she's not deep into the show itself as a fan. If someone asked me who was my favorite captain of the Enterprise, I wouldn't respond +Pat+ or +Bill+. She's met the two people who currently hold the part. We crazy people for the past two years have bitched about wooden Amy and expanding Rory - not wooden Karen and expanding Arthur. I would think that if she had been previously enamored of the show and the characters, the character's name would have come to mind first. Perigee Profiling! Wheee!

  • March 26, 2012, 9 a.m. CST

    v'shael - timing

    by DoctorTom

    They've said that the Ponds will be leaving in the 5th episode, and that we'll get the new companion in the Christmas special, so I'm not sure how much of a cliffhanger they will be throwing in. The only semi-cliffhangerish thing I could see (and, honestly, I don't see this as being how the Ponds are being written out) would be the Sarah Jane route - *I have a summons to Gallifrey? How can that be? They're all dead. And timelocked. There's no way they should be summoning me. Sorry, Ponds, you can't come along this time, they didn't like outsiders on Gallifrey before, well, except Leela, but that's a whole different matter, but I digress. Anyway, they've been even more militant about things now, and I can't let you risk being there. Especially now that Amy's pregnant again.* *I'm pregnant? Again? How come you're always knowing I'm pregnant before I do?* *River told me. Oh, sorry, I think that was a spoiler* **** I don't see them dragging Gallifrey in to have a mid season game changer (and, in this case, the implication would be that they would be dealing with Gallifrey for the Christmas episode - maybe we get Christmas on Gallifrey, with the high council giving the Doctor a new companion as a Christmas present? It would be the first time they really gave him a companion, and not just the White Guardian masquerading as the President of the Time Lords giving the Doctor a companion. Would Moffat go that way? Would we see the brief appearance in the Christmas special of a purple space dog to show how much of an intergalactic wag the Doctor is? Now that I think about it, though, a rebooted Gallifrey, Moffat getting to do It's a Wonderful Life using the Doctor's life (maybe showing how Gallifrey would have been if he had stuck around) - there's actually some possibilities there...

  • March 26, 2012, 9:03 a.m. CST

    Anyway, about the timing

    by DoctorTom

    I was going to talk about the timing and got sidetracked by the digression about the last Pond episode and the Christmas episode. I wouldn't be surprised to see episodes showing in November, but I suspect that they'll start in October sometime and finish the 5 episodes mid November (maybe starting October 27 and finishing on November 24 - close to the anniversary date) so that at the end of November they can put out a DVD set for the 1st half of the season for people to buy as Christmas presents.

  • March 26, 2012, 9:30 a.m. CST

    @DoctorTom - Pretty sure he'll never use Gallifrey.

    by V'Shael

    And if those are the only things you can think of as a cliff-hanger, well...

  • March 26, 2012, 11:19 a.m. CST

    those were the first to come to mind

    by DoctorTom

    You're looking back at A Good Man Goes To War as the blueprint, but you can't really use that since it didn't come with a Summer Special in between that and Let's Kill Hitler. I'm not sure he'll put a big cliffhanger in the episode with the Ponds leaving, unless it's really just putting a teaser to lead into the Christmas special after the story of the episode proper ends. Also, Moffat's Christmas stories have tended to be standalone affairs that don't really have a cliffhanger at the end. People watching at Christmas are expecting a complete story (with the exception of The End of Time part 1, but that was a case of people knowing the story would wrap up with another special only one week later). The last episode with the Ponds serves well enough by itself to lead into the Christmas episode, as well as being a good climax for the mid-season finish. I don't think Moffat's going to try to complicate things by throwing in a cliffhanger there, especially when he's said that he's really planning for stories to be standalone affairs. I do agree that I doubt Moffat will use Gallifrey, though it would make for an interesting Christmas Special if he could do an It's A Wonderful Life bit using Gallifrey (which could technically be done since it wouldn't be the current Gallifrey, just a What-If version of Gallifrey).

  • March 26, 2012, 2:01 p.m. CST

    Last time we were in New York...

    by Mister Vertue

    Didn't we see someone regenerating or something? I could be mistaken though.

  • March 26, 2012, 2:03 p.m. CST

    And a return to the States...

    by Mister Vertue

    Could also see a possible return of a certain American that we all seem to like around here. That would be nice.

  • March 26, 2012, 2:12 p.m. CST

    Regenerating girl

    by Fuck The Napkin

    When I 'did the math' during the last series I figured that she had to be regenerating into something other than Mels, so that she had time to make it to the UK and then become a young girl in the 80s who could grow up with Amy and Rory. So has anyone worked out who/what she might become? Or did I get my timing wrong?

  • March 26, 2012, 2:36 p.m. CST

    Iki- I- Po!

    by Perigee

  • March 26, 2012, 2:52 p.m. CST

    OK - stupid question - licencing other characters

    by Perigee

    A while back, I was amusing myself with the thought of Trillian as a companion. Never happen, probably; but still, what a wonderfully bizarre idea. The I got to wondering, how impossible would it be to license other series characters? How expensive? Not lead roles, mind you - just stuff like exploring the background of The Guardian of Forever, for example (bad one, I know: who wants to deal with Ellison?). Or oogha in on The Darians? Heck - what would The Doctor do with Ming the Merciless? Would it be as interesting/amusing as I imagine it would be? Is there some reason it's never done? Is it a cost thing, or is some unwritten law that everybody keeps to their own stables?

  • March 26, 2012, 3:02 p.m. CST

    perigee - not impossible

    by Mister Vertue

    Well, not *usually* impossible, but very difficult and expensive all the same, so why bother? It's cheaper and easier just to create new characters. Although you can check out the Doctor Who/Star Trek crossover that came out recently to quench such a thirst.

  • March 26, 2012, 3:05 p.m. CST

    Licensing and lawyers

    by Mister Vertue

    As soon as you get lawyers involved, it's just not worth bothering anymore. It's a wonder they fought so long and hard to get the Daleks back on the show. Not sure I'd have had the patience for that fight.

  • March 26, 2012, 3:07 p.m. CST

    Some S8 Info

    by ByTor

    Here's what I'm hearing about Series 8. I'm not saying this is set in stone, but I've gotten this from independent sources, which typically means it's pretty good. Also, keep in mind that plans at the BBC are subject to change at any moment. As everyone knows, S7 is going to be split between 2012 and 2013, with 5 episodes plus the Christmas special this year, and 8 episodes early next year. I am now hearing that instead of a normal S8 later in 2013, we may get one or two ''feature-length'' anniversary specials later in the year, followed by a Christmas special. In terms of screen time, that's not much different than this year (a feature-length special would essentially be double the length of a normal episode): roughly 5-6 episodes-worth of material. But it would mean fewer actual episodes, of course. If this is true, it's a shame because we were (or at least I was) hoping for a bit extra in 2013 for the 50th. I am also hearing that this isn't a BBC mandate; the BBC wants as many Doctor Who episodes as possible. I'm hearing this comes from Moffat and the rest of the production team. Again, don't take this to the bank. My sources could be wrong; it's happened before. But this seems solid. Perhaps MOV or someone else close to the action could offer up a confirmation or denial...? (Figured I'd post this here, as the trailer thread...well, it isn't a Docback, now, is it?)

  • March 26, 2012, 3:14 p.m. CST

    mov: lawyers and Daleks

    by ByTor

    If it had been anything but the Daleks, I'm sure they would've given up. And we all know it came close to not happening, which is why the team was referring to episode 6 of the first season as ''Absence of the Daleks.'' But they're so iconic. Mention the show to someone who's not a hard core fan, and Daleks are almost always the first thing mentioned. Of course, the bigger issue is balancing creator rights versus the ability of descendants holding a property hostage. I'm not coming down on either side as I have no idea what the contracts are like, the amounts of money involved, or whatever. These are never single-sided issues. Then again...with all due respect to Mr. Nation, couldn't you argue that the Dalek success and phenomenon was as much a result of Raymond Cusick? Who, as a BBC employee instead of a freelance writer, got his normal salary and nothing else, I assume. But yeah, lawyers make it not worth doing, most of the time.

  • March 26, 2012, 3:23 p.m. CST

    by bytor - Damn. That Is Tempting.

    by Perigee

    Could you imagine one great big whalloping dollop of Doctor Who movie-ish thing, if it had just the right script? And then, you get another one? I could kinda get behind that - IF the scripts were INCREDIBLE OMG,MFINGBRILLIANT!!!!ELEVENTY!!! I mean, why not try the medium on for size once or twice before going back to format? I think I might be able to live with that.

  • March 26, 2012, 3:48 p.m. CST

    Two and a half GMGTW, please. Oh, yes.

    by Perigee

    Two and a half GMGTW would be better than any One and a half of the most recent Star Wars films. I could So get into this, if done properly. So, probably, we won't get it.

  • March 26, 2012, 6:34 p.m. CST

    Whew... nice to be back here.

    by gotilk

    After that awful trailer talkback. Loved the trailer.

  • March 26, 2012, 6:39 p.m. CST

    perigee

    by gotilk

    Eleventy? ROFL!! I have not heard that in a while.

  • The manure's pretty thick out there. So - which camp do you take - 2 superwho movie thingies, or the usual 5 episodes? (Not that it matters - it's all big hat country at the moment anyway..)

  • March 26, 2012, 7:44 p.m. CST

    Perigree

    by gotilk

    It's a bit of a cop-out, but I prefer whichever gives Moffat and company more time to get it right and not have to rush anything. That aside, I prefer the idea of a number of episodes rather than just a couple of movies. I remember the agony of the end of Tennant's run. They do run the risk of people (not the hardcore fans, but possible FUTURE hardcore fans) losing interest and finding something else to be fanatic about. I think it's better for the show's future not to do anything extremely unusual that produces a longer than usual break for casual fans. I am intrigued by the idea of 2 VERY nicely budgeted films though.

  • I don't need to quench - just sip a little at beautiful absurdity. Fortunately, my own sick little brain is sufficient. ~Grin~

  • March 26, 2012, 10:56 p.m. CST

    Finding something else to be fanatic about? SNARF.

    by Perigee

    Heck, _I_ would if I could - at least as we traverse The Void. Studying The Dance of the Sugarplumb Tesches is diverting. but hardly a manwich. I hear Lucy Liu is on something new, though; I could jump that train. Whaddya think the chances are of starting a SchlockBack...? CcCcRrRrAaAaSsSsHhHh! ~~~~~~INSTA_BAN~~~~~~~~~ ...carrier lost...

  • March 27, 2012, 4:53 a.m. CST

    Did any of the other Docbackers

    by moody by nature

    Make it to the convention over the weekend?

  • March 27, 2012, 5:31 a.m. CST

    Personally, I'd prefer the series instead of specials.

    by V'Shael

    Just because I've never been exactly overwhelmed by any of the specials. Waters of Mars came close, but out of the many specials we've seen, one decent one isn't a great success rate for me. That said, I have also generally preferred the show under moffats' tenure, so there's the possibility that I'd prefer the specials he'd come up with. It's just basic maths to me.. out of a full season, I'm going to be thrilled with something like 6-8 hours. Based on past experience, that just isn't true with the specials. We'll just have to see. Series 8 is a long way off yet.

  • The thing is, this is one of those rare times when I actually checked the facts before firing off my mouth. And it turns out that the Tennant Specials were a marketing ploy. And a flat-out lie. 60 minutes Is Not especially special. The stories couldn't have supported longer, but still - not special at all. My wow is predicated on this particular (premature and completely unsupported) statement: 2013, we may get one or two ''feature-length'' anniversary specials Now, Two Hours is better that One hour. By nearly double. And it would be/would have been a really unique opportunity to tell an incredibly vast story all at once; like Impossible Astronaut/Day of the Moon all at one time. Or Pandorica Opens/Big Bang, all in one big... bang. And the idea makes my pants feel funny. Especially if we get all Good Man cinematic WOOOOO about it. It would allow those ~Quiet Moment~ and character beats that a regular episode doesn't usually have time for. There's a lot of good in the idea (for me).

  • I could fly a two hour kite in the fields of Trensalore if it means Meany Matt decides he's going to jump ship at the end of 2013. Ship jumpin' weasel, making me sad... ...Anyway, if Matt has to go, I'd like to see him go out epic.

  • March 27, 2012, 8:36 a.m. CST

    One thing I'd like to see during the 50th year

    by DoctorTom

    I'd like to see the Sylvester McCoy Doctor show up, and (after the regular story has been taken care of) have Matt Smith give him a list of things he's going to need to take care of, like setting up Davros' faction with the Eye of Omega, and that the Gods of Ragnarok are behind the Psychic Circus, and a bunch of the other things where the Doctor seemed to have foreknowledge. McCoy getting at least some of the information and his foreknowledge from a future incarnation of his would be nice, and Matt Smith's Doctor might be the right one for it.

  • March 27, 2012, 8:48 a.m. CST

    specials vs regular shows

    by DoctorTom

    the question I have is whether the two specials that had been rumored included the Christmas Special, so that we'd be getting 2 longer shows rather than 6 (one of them being a normally longer Christmas show anyway). I agree with Gotilk on taking whichever way gives Moffat the time to get things right. Offhand, though, I wouldn't want a season to be only a couple of specials - if they do a half season (or 8 episodes) for early 2014 with 2 or 3 specials, including Christmas, for late 2012 that would be fine by me. I wouldn't want it to become only 4 specials for late 2013-early 2014 unless it turns out that it's going to be Moffat's last year on the show and he does it to give the new team time to develop their vision of the show (the way RTD did for Moffat, though I think that more based on Tennant than having Moffat come in). That said, if doing a small number of specials also lets Moffat additionally do some one-off spinoff specials (that might become backdoor pilots) I wouldn't object either. I'd be for doing a small number of Specials for Doctor Who instead of a full series of regular length episodes if it means you could also have a special (with maybe only a cameo by the Doctor, to bring in the more casual viewers) with Madame Vastra and Jenny in Victorian London, or a special with Canton Everett Delaware III as the main character, or even a non-Torchwood Captain Jack special (maybe dealing with his days in the Time Agency - or the adventures of Captain Jack and River Song), or even a special with the Doctor's Daughter Jenny.

  • March 27, 2012, 8:50 a.m. CST

    One other special to add to that list

    by DoctorTom

    or to incorporate into one of the other specials - a Captain Jack/ River Song special would work best for this. Have Dorium Maldovar in a Special, either in a major supporting role or as a main character. It could be either before AGMGTW/ The Wedding of River Song, or it could be after that and us finding that Dorium's head was rescued again, set up in his bar and he's now piloting a ganger body of himself.

  • March 27, 2012, 8:58 a.m. CST

    @Perigee - Flat out marketing ploy? A lie?

    by V'Shael

    Do give us some sources for that. My understanding was that it was designed to give Tennant a break, to keep him happy in the role, allow him to do other things, while ostensibly seeing out the end of the contract and allowing RTD to finish his run and Davids run with some planning, instead of springing it on him. From reading The Writers Tale and other sources, it seems Tennant was always humming and hawing about doing another year, and even the departure of RTD and his team wasn't necessarily going to see him leave... He flip-flopped on the decision quite a bit. If you have something else, sourced and definitive to add to the tale, I'd love to hear it.

  • March 27, 2012, 9:12 a.m. CST

    No sources - just semantics.

    by Perigee

    "Special" 1: distinguished by some unusual quality; especially : being in some way superior <our special blend> 2 : held in particular esteem <a special friend> 3 a : readily distinguishable from others of the same category : unique <they set it apart as a special day of thanksgiving> There was nothing in Tennant's 'specials' that would have been unusual in a regular run episode - at least that I could discern. They weren't distinguished by unusual quality - a point you yourself brought up. They aren't held in particular esteem - several regular series episodes are much better thought of. They weren't unique, with the possible exception of ten extra minutes. As far as I can see, the only thing 'special' about them is that they existed, instead of having no DW at all that year. Thus, to me, not 'special.' Just an extremely shortened season. As opposed to the (theoretical) specialness of double-length episodes.

  • March 27, 2012, 9:13 a.m. CST

    I'd go with v'shael on that

    by DoctorTom

    at least publicly, it was always said the specials were to accomodate Tennant, not as a marketing ploy. Now, I'll agree with Perigee that 60 minutes doesn't seem that special, but I think they came up with that length based on the Christmas Specials being that length. Never mind that Top Gear's regular shows were that length, or that many other series use shows of that length. If they're going to do Specials, I'd like to see them be an hour and a half (which would go to 2 hours on BBCA when commercials are added). That said, although the specials were originally to accomodate Tennant, they also served the purpose of giving Moffat and his group time to prepare for the changeover from RTD to him. At this point, I'm wondering if that's going to become a new convention for changing showrunners, do a year of specials as the final year of the old showrunner while giving the new showrunner extra time to prepare. That said, if Moffat knows early enough what his last year is going to be and knows who he's turning the show over to, I would think the new team would have time to prepare whether it's a year of specials or a year of regular stories. I just have a suspicion that if we have the showrunner and the Doctor leaving at the same time they might use this tactic again.

  • Its an attempt to make less Sound like more. Like JC Penny claiming that raising all prices by a penny makes them 'more honest' than all the other companies that charge X.99 for items. (When, in honesty, all these items now cost less at other stores than it does at JC Penny.)

  • March 27, 2012, 9:58 a.m. CST

    I actually agree about that part

    by DoctorTom

    they called it Special because it was longer than the normal 45 minute episode - but a one hour episode vs a 45 minute episode doesn't seem THAT special, especially considering that we've had season finale episodes that have gone 50 - 55 minutes - heck, Journey's End was 65 minutes and was part of a regular season. On the other hand, I think the BBC knows that the network executives would be lynched if they did only 45 minute episodes when they did these intermittent stories, so having them a bit longer and calling them a special tries to dress them up in a bit fancier clothing. Yes, that part is definitely marketing. I just don't want them to have Doctor Who go the Sherlock route and have only 3 90 minute episodes every year and a half. Doctor Who's built in the expectation of longer seasons than that, with 45 minute stories being the norm now. A brief break like the end of Tennant's time to accomodate the actor makes sense, but I certainly wouldn't want every season to be like that.

  • 2 ~feature length~ episodes 1 Christmas episodes 8 regular episodes in2014 If we're talking the current ~SPLIT~ Schedule, that means two 'movies' one in October-ish, one in November-ish, and then the Christmas Special in December, and back to business in the new year (presumably with the Post-Smith doctor) I could live with that. (By the way guys; take no offense - I just love batting crap back and forth in here. I hit the 'refresh' button in here more times per day than can possibly be healthy.)

  • March 27, 2012, 10:48 a.m. CST

    no offense taken, perigee

    by DoctorTom

    it's fun batting the stuff around. The nonexistent plan wouldn't be that bad, actually. Having some kind of feature length special that would be broadcast about the time of the actual 50th anniversary makes sense - I think you'd hear people complaining if there wasn't some kind of special for the 50th. Another feature length episode before or after wouldn't be bad either (though I don't know if they'll go the route of an Octoberish episode, or if they'll go the route of a feature length special on the 50th anniversary itself, a Christmas special and a New Year's special. Since I don't know what they want to do for the 50th, they might have the first show like you said in October to help put some things in place for the special. Out of the blue notion here - think we might find out that the Sixth Doctor and Dorium were drinking buddies?

  • March 27, 2012, 11:08 a.m. CST

    No offense taken Perigee, even though I think you've yet to notice

    by V'Shael

    how I've been sabotaging your multiple trips to the past... ;)

  • As did the stunt casting. They pioneered quite a few things, which could technically make them 'special'.

  • March 27, 2012, 11:14 a.m. CST

    The season 7 / season 8 ferrago

    by V'Shael

    Or whatever we're calling it now. We have 5 episodes pre Christmas in 2012, at some undisclosed start point (the trailers call it Autumn) We have the Christmas special, with the introduction of the yet-to-be-named companion who the Doctor finds/picks up somewhere/when unlikely. Then at some undetermined point in 2013, we have the conclusion of season 7 with 8 episodes. They may be at the start of the year. In which case, all proceeds as normal. Or they may be at the end of the year. In which case, no matter what way you slice it, the Beeb fucked us over for the 50th anniversary. Note that even Private Eye and the Tabloids, have not exactly hinted that that worst case scenario is true. We probably won't get any better understanding of this until around November of this year.

  • March 27, 2012, 11:17 a.m. CST

    Names for the new Companion?

    by V'Shael

    Let's assume she's human, given the official photo. (Who but a human would wear such a jumper? It is clearly a christmas present from some deranged relative with no taste.) What do you think she looks like? A Caroline? Re-use Penny Carter perhaps?

  • If you watch The Face of Evil with the infotext on, they noted that the first episode was broadcast on January 1, 1977. It was the last half of the season - The Deadly Assassin finished broadcast on Nov 20, 1976. So, the idea of starting in the fall and taking a short break is rooted in Doctor Who's history. We don't know when it comes back in 2012 after the Christmas special, but it might not wait for Easter to start broadcasting the second half. It's possible they could start early in the year. I don't think they'll start the frist Saturday in January, but it could be February. It's possible they might look to finish the season on the Saturday before Easter instead of starting the second half of the season that day. I suspect that how much time Moffat needs to finish the episodes to his satisfaction will play into when the second half of the season starts. Anyway, it's a year out (more or less) so anything at this point will just be idle speculation.

  • March 27, 2012, 11:37 a.m. CST

    @doctortom - I agree that it's a year out..

    by V'Shael

    but unless those episodes required severe post production work, or unless there's already a delay built into the shooting blocks of this year, then those episodes should be ready to go immediately after Christmas.

  • March 27, 2012, 11:45 a.m. CST

    You have foiled my takeover of the Past!!? FIEND!

    by Perigee

    The idea that the Beeb would jerk us over in 2013 would be a jaw-dropper. And I'd have to call in Christian Bale to administer strong language and ball siccing. But I am old now, and infirm, so I'll hold off raising my blood pressure until January brings the truth. That episode, ~FEAR HER~? The title applies to her. All fresh and smiley and ridiculously cutesy-pootsy in her Christmas sweater. She's like... a puppy. A puppy with really long gorilla arms. Look at her, all quirky-smilin' atcha. Like a spunky, friendly but slightly wise-ass barista. She could be a Meg, but never a Margaret. Nowhere near a Liz. But definitely a ~for-short~ namer. She could be a Call-Me-Max. That's short and spunky. Lemme look awhile. But those gorilla arms are really starting to freak me out a bit. BAD JUMPER.

  • March 27, 2012, 12:58 p.m. CST

    Perigee - maybe her name is

    by DoctorTom

    Bob the Rutan. It would definitely shake things up a bit. Why would a shapeshifter wear a sweater? Why not? Why would the Doctor once wear a circus tent? (well, we know the answer to that one was that JN_T wanted him to look alien. It certainly didn't look normal.) Or, maybe her name can't be spoken except upon the Fields of Trenzalore, wherupon when asked she shall call the Doctor *Daddy*. Actually, something that would be cute to do would be along the lines of what they did in the Seventh Doctor Lost Stories - Amy and Rory leave in part because they are going to have another daughter, and the Doctor meets their daughter twenty-odd years later and picks her up as a companion. I think I'm safe in claiming that this is not what they are going to do, I don't see the new companion having any connection to the Ponds - or the duck pond.

  • March 27, 2012, 4:06 p.m. CST

    Thoughts on specials, etc.

    by ByTor

    Not sure I'd read too much into the term ''special'' as used by the BBC. Yes, it's part marketing. Of course it is. But it's also a simple way to distinguish between a regular series production and one-shots. To clarify what I've heard, we would get one or two ''feature-length'' specials (meaning around 90 minutes without commercials), PLUS the normal Christmas special. No idea about 2014 after that. As for the discussion about the Tennant specials...that's a fair point. On the other hand, you may enjoy 6 hours or so from a normal season, but this is more like a ''half'' season -- in other words, you're not necessarily going to get 6 hours of enjoyment in 2012, either, right? Plus, the Tennant specials included the move to high definition, a not-insignificant undertaking for the production team. In theory the budgets for the specials were higher than typical Who episodes (even adjusting for length), but in reality a lot of that just went to the HD move. But, yeah...they were uneven. The Next Doctor wasn't good at all, IMO (though it's interesting to see that Moffat has continued with the tradition of making the Cybermen more ridiculous with each appearance). Planet of the Dead was OK, but nothing to write home about, and a bit too silly in spots. Waters of Mars, on the other hand, was very good. Good script, great direction from Graeme Harper (perhaps my favorite all-time Who director), terrific cast...I would've lost the dumb robot, but that's just me. End of Time is hard to judge, because it's SO tied into the regeneration. Some regeneration stories aren't -- it's just something that happens at the end. But this one was. I personally loved it, but I am realistic enough to see the flaws. None of which, by the way, really has much to do with the potential upcoming specials. Different team, different reasons for their existence, different length, different writers...and so on.

  • Jane Smith.

  • March 27, 2012, 4:25 p.m. CST

    I mean, come on ...

    by veteran_of_mu

    That sweater. *THAT* sweater. No human woman would voluntarily wear that. And especially not an uber-hottie like JLC. It's not stylish. It's not indie. It's not cool. There's only one thing it is. It's the same colours as Tom Baker's scarf. See: http://doctorwhocrafts.com/post/6788077063

  • March 28, 2012, 9:04 a.m. CST

    Caractuspotts, you might be right about the name

    by DoctorTom

    if we find out her name is Kathy Meglos, or Roberta D. Rutan, or Vicki Aleyard, we might have a clue to something important.

  • March 28, 2012, 9:18 a.m. CST

    There is no river in the pond in the forest! Junior!

    by Perigee

  • March 28, 2012, 11:26 a.m. CST

    Cherry Ice Cream smile...! Her Name Is Rio!!!

    by Perigee

  • March 28, 2012, 11:28 a.m. CST

    Her name is Mister Tibbs

    by DoctorTom

  • March 28, 2012, 11:29 a.m. CST

    Actually, Moffat could have fun naming the companion

    by DoctorTom

    If the companion's name is Mary Sue, we'll know that Moffat's wanting to tweak the noses of everyone trying to read too much into the new companion.

  • That would be alright. As long as there were a lot of foes, anyway. Foe. Love that word.

  • March 28, 2012, 9:58 p.m. CST

    I'm still waiting for River to strip down.

    by veteran_of_mu

    We saw a shot of her with implied birthday suit in last year's preview. But not in s6. What gives? Or rather what doesn't? Jlc in the altogether … silence will fall!

  • March 29, 2012, 8:46 a.m. CST

    @caractacuspotts - The scene was shot, but Moffat deleted it.

    by V'Shael

    And word is it won't be on the DVD/Blu-Ray either. It was a scene in Stormcage, as she's looking for an outfit in a wardrobe that's bigger on the inside than the outside.

  • March 29, 2012, 8:49 a.m. CST

    Caractuspotts - River's implied birthday suit

    by DoctorTom

    I imagine it was originally intended to be in Let's Kill Hitler, but they decided to change it up a little bit. I hadn't remembered that part of the s6 trailer. Of course, it wouldn't be the first time something was shown in a trailer that wasn't in the final product; I think I remember the trailer for the first Men In Black film used a line that wasn't in the final movie. Imagine what could happen though next year if Moffat wants to tease us - put together a special trailer with all the surviving Doctor actors who want to participate, and just totally make up something with them all interacting, then at the end have one ask if this is is going to be broadcast in the series and Matt Smith go No, not really. Come to think of it, why do it as just a trailer when they could do a longer sketch for Red Nose Day 2013. It would even be shown in November, an entirely appropriate month. Then, if you want to go beyond just Doctors, you could have River Song in it and introduce her to the others. *Excuse me, guys, I just want to introduce my, er, our wife River Song*. Then, we could watch River flirting with Paul McGann.

  • March 29, 2012, 8:57 a.m. CST

    Thanks, v'shael, I had forgotten about that scene

    by DoctorTom

    I had remembered it being discussed but didn't know that it had all been shot.

  • March 29, 2012, 9:23 a.m. CST

    Yates can't shut his gob

    by DoctorTom

    he's still claiming that he's going to be doing a Doctor Who movie that will shoot in 2015/16. This time, though, we have a response from Doctor Who brand manager Edward Russell that Moffat's denial of the rumors are absoulte fact and the final word on the matter. I suppose that Yates might have to see if he can cut a deal with NBC so that he can do it as a reimagined Inspector Spacetime instead.

  • March 29, 2012, 9:30 a.m. CST

    Perigee, maybe this will make you feel better

    by DoctorTom

    http://blastr.com/2012/03/how-doctor-whos-latest-co.php No sign of the sweater here. Actually, I wouldn't mind at all if this turned out to be one of her outfits (though I suspect these are just her street clothes)

  • March 29, 2012, 10:44 a.m. CST

    The Yates thing

    by ByTor

    Sure is weird. At first I kind of thought, ''Well, who knows, might be cool.'' Then the denial from Moffat came, and I figured, ''Well, I suppose there's a small chance that Worldwide is up to something that Moffat hasn't heard about, but it seems unlikely.'' But now it's just sad.

  • Especially if she has to shout something Japanesey to activate it, and it all ends in a girly salute and a wink.

  • the best profession for a good looking companion with a sweater like that would be a pole dancer, and I don't think Moffat's going to do that after having made Amy a kiss-o-gram. Also, it sounds like it could be verging on Naughty Tentacles, which I would suspect would be a problem on the BBC (at least for a family show).

  • March 29, 2012, 2:32 p.m. CST

    Of course not; Grand Moff squashes all my fun. BUT...

    by Perigee

    He can't stop me from thinking about it! Ha! ~HemiHariYoko HAI!!!!~ Thwip-thwip-thwip!!! ~BINGGGGGGG!~ ~Teehee!~ *Wink* And THAT time there was just a Hint of a nip slip. The Power is Mine!

  • March 29, 2012, 2:35 p.m. CST

    By the way - on the subject of cat's names: Doctor Mew.

    by Perigee

  • Rollrollrollroll... stop. Door falls open... "Doctor Mew!!!? Doctor MEW!!!!? DOCTOR MEW!!!!? Cue catdoor.

  • March 29, 2012, 2:57 p.m. CST

    Perigee - have you seen the fan-made Doctor Who anime?

    by DoctorTom

    It used some actual dialog, and used the Pertwee Doctor. It's a shame that it's only disconnected scenes. I wouldn't mind seeing more of that anime. I could see your idea of the new companion working well in it.

  • March 29, 2012, 5:46 p.m. CST

    Death to the Daleks, Terminus, Planet of Fire

    by veteran_of_mu

    Followed by a cold shower. Oh well.

  • March 30, 2012, 9:05 a.m. CST

    Woo hoo! Amazon gives me Sherlock Season 2 as a quick pick today!

    by DoctorTom

    Will I preorder this for the extra 5% discount below their normal price. Yes indeedy doo.