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'The Curse Of The Black Spot' Attacks DOCTOR WHO (Season/Series Six) This Week!! READER REACTION HERE!!




Merrick here...

Saturday brings us the premiere of "The Curse Of The Black Spot" - the third episode of DOCTOR WHO Season/Series Six.  We're almost half-way to that mid-season cliffhanger/break, which will be a horrendously cruel and torturous respite by my reckoning.  

"Curse" finds The Doctor & Co. on a 17th Century pirate ship and confronted by...The Siren.  This is  something of a stand-alone episode from my understanding (i.e. not as focused on the overall seasonal/series arc that had been established in the two part Season/Series opener).

The Reader Reaction Talkback below is now open for business.  So have at it, and have fun!





We're looking forward to WHOvians near and far conversing about  all things WHO via the Talkback below.  

Accordingly, I'd expect a significant amount of  "Curse of the Black Spot" SPOILAGE to start rolling in 'round late morning/early afternoon  U.S. time (Saturday May 7) -  which is natural as it will broadcast in the U.K. a number of hours before it appears here in the U.S. on BBC America.  

So, as far as this Talkback goes...

Readers from U.S. and other territories?  If you wanna stay virginal  regarding "Curse" until you've seen it for may wish to tread very carefully herein after mid-morning U.S. time, as SPOILERS may well be afoot and we won't be doing anything to discourage them after it hits in the U.K.

So there you have it.  Enjoy the show...



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See DOCTOR WHO  Season/Series Six Episode 1  - "The Impossible Astronaut"  - in HD HERE and standard def HERE.  

See "Day of The Moon" - the second installment of the season premiere linked above - in HD HERE and standard def HERE.  



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  • May 6, 2011, 10:16 a.m. CST


    by Stale Elvis

    This is a docback about time travel afterall :)

  • May 6, 2011, 10:19 a.m. CST


    by pikazerox

    in your MOUTH

  • May 6, 2011, 10:27 a.m. CST

    I'm back...FROM THE FUTURE!

    by PeanutButterSlut

    To tell you guys that Doctor Who is Still a gay show then, too! Series 17 featuring BillCosby-Cyborg-Bot as the Doctor has been quite lambasted by the reviewers. I'm waiting for the Green-Wray cube to come out, fuck paying for the live hyperstream...

  • May 6, 2011, 10:29 a.m. CST

    Oh and I need some old pizza slices

    by PeanutButterSlut

    and some have used 3 day old cans of Miller Lite to power my time traveling Police Box. Dump it into the Mr. Fusion in the back, over by the pool.

  • May 6, 2011, 10:30 a.m. CST


    by PeanutButterSlut

    Now I have to travel back in time and fix that due to AICN lack of the edit feature, which by the way in the year 45000 they still haven't added it.

  • May 6, 2011, 10:35 a.m. CST

    Oh the break will be painful.

    by MoffatBabies

    I am not looking forward to that.

  • May 6, 2011, 10:49 a.m. CST

    If you think this talkbalk will be long...

    by Kelvington

    just wait for the break. I would fully expect to see one three miles long! Perhaps Herc will considering giving DocBackers a permanent place on the coaxial page? You know just like the SGU page... oh wait...

  • May 6, 2011, 10:51 a.m. CST

    I just had sex...and it felt so good

    by Majority

    A woman let me put my penis inside of her!

  • May 6, 2011, 11:10 a.m. CST

    peanutbutterslut's Time Travelling Adventure

    by ThomasFlynn

    Strange that you would use your time-traveling abilities to go forward in time to watch a show you apparently hate, so you could come back and discuss your findings in a forum about the apparently hate. Let me guess, your next stop is the early 80's so you can watch old episodes of "Voyagers" and then come back to the present and write some angry Jon-Erik Hexum / Meeno Peluce slash.

  • May 6, 2011, 11:24 a.m. CST


    by Merrick

    These DOCbacks will go on as long as there's active interest. So far, so very good.

  • May 6, 2011, 11:33 a.m. CST


    by PeanutButterSlut

    I'm FROM the future. I came back to tell you guys that Doctor Who is gay, because apparently mankind hasn't made that discovery yet. Now shut your cunt mouth...

  • May 6, 2011, 11:34 a.m. CST

    so this guy wrote the second episode of Sherlock,

    by alexander

    and for something else Moffat did called 'Silk'. He also wrote for 'Doctors', but then... so did Paul Cornell if I'm not mistaken, also (shudder) Coronation Street, and also possibly Eastenders. Keep your eye on the donut, not the whole as they say...

  • May 6, 2011, 11:35 a.m. CST

    the hole dammit!

    by alexander

  • May 6, 2011, 11:45 a.m. CST


    by donkey_lasher

    Are you calling Doctor Who gay, because the main character could be homosexual, or are you using the term to denote something that in your eyes is not "cool"? Either way, no-one gives a fuck. Goodbye.

  • May 6, 2011, 11:47 a.m. CST

    Arrrrgh, matey!

    by DoctorTom

    It's about time Doctor Who did pirates again, it's been far too long since we've had a good pirate story (and the last couple were actually space pirates). Somehow, though, I expect that we won't be getting all the cliches that Bruce Purchase was spouting at Tom Baker.

  • May 6, 2011, 11:51 a.m. CST

    Question semi-related to the "suckerpunch" bit last episode

    by DoctorTom

    Is the woman with the eyepatch supposed to be seen again in this episode? I remember it being said (I think it was Samuel Jackson's Wig who said it) that she'll be popping up in other episodes. It would seem appropriate to have a woman with an eyepatch show up in a pirate episode.

  • May 6, 2011, 11:55 a.m. CST


    by alexander

    fuck off Moron. Go sniff your own anus and report your findings anywhere else but here, you total cunt-monkey.

  • May 6, 2011, 11:56 a.m. CST

    Spoilers doctortom!

    by alexander

  • May 6, 2011, 12:03 p.m. CST

    doctortom- SPOILERS, MATE..! (spoilers)

    by sam jacksons wig

    But yes, sh is expected to pop up in this ep and in eps 7 ad 8.

  • May 6, 2011, 12:19 p.m. CST

    Merrick, when are you doing your article on Doctor Who eps that got you into the show?


    If they're any of the episodes I hate, then I will lambast you. I will now do a search of AICN to see if I am the first person to use the word 'lambast' in a TB. If so, I demand a crown or appropriate prize to be sent to me.

  • May 6, 2011, 12:22 p.m. CST

    Always amazed...

    by ThomasFlynn

    At how much time people who "hate" something devote to talking about how much they hate it. Kinda reminds me of the Republican Politicians who condemn homosexuality only to turn out that they enjoy a bit-o-weener themselves. So is that what's going on here, peanutbutterslut? Do you secretly long to hear the groan of the TARDIS as it appears in your backyard to whisk you away to adventures far grander than your insignificant, pissant little excuse for an existence? Or do you just wanna suck Matt Smith's cock? No judging, just trying to sort out what sort of man you are.

  • May 6, 2011, 12:24 p.m. CST

    So Merrick has now stolen our DOC Back terminology???

    by sam jacksons wig

    How dare you, sir!!!!

  • May 6, 2011, 12:26 p.m. CST

    Maybe peanutbutterfuckfest is dicks-o-arserammer in disguise...

    by sam jacksons wig

  • May 6, 2011, 12:27 p.m. CST

    nd why is the above picture not a naked Lily Cole??? Answers please!!!

    by sam jacksons wig

  • May 6, 2011, 12:27 p.m. CST

    Frances Barber was phwoar in her day.

    by V'Shael

    So was Katy Manning obviously.

  • May 6, 2011, 12:28 p.m. CST

    And for the record

    by ThomasFlynn

    I think I'd take last Week's "Royal Wedding Dalek"over naked Katy Manning any day... Mostly because I look at the pic above and then immediately think about her in that Sarah Jane Episode from last year (shudder)

  • May 6, 2011, 12:30 p.m. CST

    The photo is titled sexy dalek...but it isn't really is it?

    by sam jacksons wig

    It's the naked bird with the 70's style muff that is sexy isn't it???

  • May 6, 2011, 12:35 p.m. CST

    Some potential spoilers for beyond season 6 (nothing plotwise...)

    by sam jacksons wig

    Back at the end of March the BBC Press Office revealed that Karen Gillan would be appearing in the role of swinging-sixties model Jean Shrimpton in the forthcoming BBC Four drama We’ll Take Manhattan. With filming beginning in May, it has been figured that she would complete the role before filming began for Series Seven. But the Globe Theatre website has announced that Arthur Darvill will be playing the role of Mephistopheles in their production of Doctor Faustus. The production is due to run from 18th June to 2nd October which would seem to mean that Arthur will be unavailable for the start of filming for Series Seven. The series usually starts filming in July, however Series Six began filming in September after filming the Christmas special in late-July/early-August. Of course, this doesn’t necessarily mean that Amy and Rory won’t be appearing in Series Seven, but it certainly looks like they, or at least Rory will be missing for a couple of episodes. Besides, anything can change.

  • May 6, 2011, 12:41 p.m. CST

    The Daleks Versus The Naked Women Of Venus


    I remember watching that story as a kid. The scene where The Doctor first stumbles upon a naked chick being touched up by a Dalek is one of my favourite Tom Baker moments. Can't believe Merrick found a photo from it. I thought all footage and pictures from that story had been destroyed.

  • May 6, 2011, 12:58 p.m. CST

    Amy and Rory


    How many series would people want the Doctor to be traveling with them before its time for a change? ...

  • May 6, 2011, 1:03 p.m. CST

    episode 3 (spoiler) theorising....

    by sam jacksons wig

    There is some speculation that this episode might be a prequel to the First Doctor’s penultimate story "the Smugglers", which was set in 17th Century Cornwall and largely about a search for Avery’s lost treasure. Why pick that pirate name when there are plenty others. Could it be the same Captain Avery?

  • May 6, 2011, 1:05 p.m. CST

    ginge_muppet - this and possibly half of the next one.

    by sam jacksons wig

  • May 6, 2011, 1:19 p.m. CST

    Companions rarely last longer than a couple of seasons

    by SpyGuy

    In recent years -- Amy and Rory Pond -- 2 seasons Donna Noble -- 1 season + 1 special Martha Jones -- 1 season + a few episodes here and there Rose Tyler -- 2 seasons + a few episodes here and there Back in the day -- Grace Holloway -- 1 TV movie Dorothy "Ace" McShane -- 2 seasons + 1 story Melanie "Mel" Bush -- 1 season + 2 stories Perpugilliam "Peri" Brown -- 1 season + 4 stories Vislor Turlough -- 1 season + 5 stories Kamelion -- 2 stories Tegan Jovanka -- 2 seasons + 5 stories Nyssa -- 1 season + 6 stories Adric -- 1 season + 5 stories ...and so on

  • 10 episodes and 2 episodes, respectively.

  • May 6, 2011, 1:25 p.m. CST

    Ah....Katy Manning...

    by Damned if I can login

    Yep. Hotsy-totsy Jo Grant didn't have a whole lotta grey matter goin' on, but she sure looked like she could suck the chrome off'a trailer hitch. Pertwee *indeed*... ;) Saying his name always ends with me recalling my other favorite double-phallic names, such as Peter O'Toole, or Willie Johnson.

  • May 6, 2011, 1:31 p.m. CST

    Well ...

    by OhWhatTheFeckEver

    I've never seen *that* picture of Katy Manning withnthe Dalek! Seen the one where she's leaning against it, but not this one. Maybe the Daleks need to change the sucker for a licker, unless Ms Manning has bits we don't know about O_o

  • May 6, 2011, 2 p.m. CST

    This is actually an arc episode, apparently

    by HornOrSilk

    The woman with the eye patch is said to be in it, according to what I've read. The report could be wrong, but I doubt it.

  • May 6, 2011, 2:11 p.m. CST

    My post above might be a spoiler, sorry

    by HornOrSilk

    Just a warning

  • Yeah, I confirmed that info a few posts before.

  • May 6, 2011, 2:38 p.m. CST

    I haven't looked


    You are safe.

  • May 6, 2011, 2:58 p.m. CST

    Perpugilliam "Peri" Brown -- 1 season + 4 stories


    Not enough .... (From a visual point of view.)

  • May 6, 2011, 2:59 p.m. CST

    Melanie "Mel" Bush -- 1 season + 2 stories


    More than enough.

  • Have a nice night DocBackers and will see you all tomorrow ready for adventure on the high seas!!!

  • May 6, 2011, 5:04 p.m. CST

    RE: Melanie "Mel" Bush -- 1 season + 2 stories

    by Alan

    "Melanie "Mel" Bush -- 1 season + 2 stories by ginge_muppet More than enough." Hmmm yes. About 1 Season and 2 episodes too much :)

  • May 6, 2011, 5:15 p.m. CST

    Tapping on the 4th wall

    by History101

    I like the Doctor's comment about ignoring the fact that the little girl is missing/unsolved and we are instead going on to other adventures.

  • May 6, 2011, 5:20 p.m. CST

    Stereotypically enough

    by maelstrom_ZERO

    ...I stared at that picture for 10 seconds, desperately trying to figure out its relevance to Dr Who. It wasn't until I had my cursor on the picture, and looked down at the link that it would lead me to (with the file's name), that I realized a Dalek was also in the photograph. But yeah, that near-naked woman is apparently very successful at being distracting. Also, I'm still in the process of catching up with Dr Who. I finished all 4 seasons and specials, and I'm about to watch Vincent and the Doctor (ep 8 or 9?). It's a bit sad that Matt Smith isn't as human or empathetic a character as Tennant is/was, but his general zany humor is pretty solid. And is it just me, or does Matt Smith remind anyone else of Benedict Cumberbatch, the guy that plays Holmes in BBC's Sherlock? I could almost swear that Smith's rendition of the Doctor is a pretty accurate facsimile of Cumberbatch's rendition of Holmes.

  • May 6, 2011, 5:21 p.m. CST

    I can't stand Nickelback

    by Mister Vertue

    I should go and find their message board and let them know. Good job I'm an excellent musician so that my opinion actually matters. Oh, and I like Doctor Who. A lot.

  • May 6, 2011, 5:40 p.m. CST

    Wow, there really *is* a Nickelback message board

    by Mister Vertue

    I'm a wee bit tempted now. I won't type anything about series 6 of Doctor Who because I'll end up being scolded again. Probably.

  • May 6, 2011, 5:43 p.m. CST

    This Show Sucks wose by the hour!!!!!!!!!!!!!

    by shibleybc

    ooops, meant to be in the SGU board :)

  • May 6, 2011, 5:44 p.m. CST


    by Mister Vertue

    The word on the street is that Mr Cumberbatch was up for the role of The Doctor before Mr Smith. Allegedly. Who knows, he may be up for it again in the future?

  • May 6, 2011, 5:46 p.m. CST


    by frozen01

    Merrick can use "DocBack"... kinda like how you borrowed Simon's "boing!" thing. :P I'd make fun of you for the hour except I'm still jet lagged and so barely cracking 9pm myself. Damn you, London... so hard to let go! :( Oh, by the way... my grass is getting a bit tall. Ready for a swim? ;)

  • May 6, 2011, 5:47 p.m. CST


    by shibleybc

    Thanks for pointing that out, will be onto my lawyers in the morning! :P

  • May 6, 2011, 6 p.m. CST


    by frozen01

    Oh, god, I really did Americanize you o.o Before you know it, you'll be spelling tyre with an "i" :P

  • May 6, 2011, 6:08 p.m. CST

    BTW, do not feed the trolls :P

    by frozen01

  • May 6, 2011, 6:23 p.m. CST


    by shibleybc

    Does that last remark apertain to my badly spelled shot at humour? :P

  • May 6, 2011, 6:26 p.m. CST


    by frozen01

    Nooooo, just saying in general *shifty look*

  • May 6, 2011, 6:34 p.m. CST

    Well folks...........

    by shibleybc

    Thats the hour long Frozen and Shibley anchored part of the docback schedule over and its goodnight from me, and its goodnight from him! Hope you enjoyed the scintillating debate about future storylines! :P

  • May 6, 2011, 6:43 p.m. CST

    Boing.....Time for bed!

    by shibleybc

  • May 6, 2011, 6:53 p.m. CST

    The Docback is awesome.

    by JillianneSix

    Y'all are so much fun:) I have spent the past two weekends hanging out here (when I'm not working). Lots of insights into the show and speculation, and SPOILERS (thanks, Kelvington and SJW!!!). Still haven't seen a lot about this episode, but I find the atmosphere of it quite haunting in a "Scooby Doo" sort of way. Perfect for Eleven!

  • Was that good? Did I do good? Anyway, this is just a rumor, no fact behind this, but, a couple websites are saying because Karen Gillian and Arthur Darville working on other projects when the second half of Who is filming, Amy and Rory either die, (Oh, god, please don't let that happen!) or leave or something happens to them. This may be the mid-season cliffhanger!! Or, not, we won't know, not until episode 7. If anyone thinks I'm wrong, (And, believe me, I want to be!!), let me know.

  • May 6, 2011, 7:47 p.m. CST


    by frozen01

    I think you're wrong ;) more wishful thinking than anything. Besides, Matt Smith worked on other stuff, and he's sticking around.

  • May 6, 2011, 8:21 p.m. CST

    Frozen Renee, more wishful thinking???????????????

    by axcel1

    Who's wishful thinking? Not mine, I like Amy and Rory, I hope they stay as long as Matt Smith's Doctor. And, "I'm" not wrong, "I'm" just reporting on what I read. I hope what Sam said in an earlier talkback happens, at the end of episode 7, the you-know-who goes into the you-know-what, no spoiler.

  • May 6, 2011, 10:06 p.m. CST

    Hmmm... Next season a River/Doctor pairing?

    by Perigee

    IF Amy and Rory are gone - which would suck, because I'm really enjoying the development - logically, we're coming into prime River Song territory. Next season, Jim the Fish, Easter Island, etc.? Some kind of twisted manic Avengers thing? Or not, of course...

  • May 7, 2011, 3:22 a.m. CST

    Can we get through a TB without mentioning Super Injunctions?

    by penhapus

    I Downton it very much; Hugh'll be walking in to a legal minefield...

  • May 7, 2011, 3:41 a.m. CST

    The countdown begins here- 8 hrs 21 minutes to go!!!

    by sam jacksons wig

  • May 7, 2011, 3:47 a.m. CST

    Madame Frozen Renee!!! So good to hear from you!!

    by sam jacksons wig

    Last night= too much sun in the day, was absolutely knackered from lifing weights (got to keep in shape at my age, what with all of those toblerones......) and had supped two bottles (yes, greedy git!!) of a fine red wine that I will not plug on this DocBack (Wolf Blass Australian Red, Yellow Label... just devine!!) My eyelids were doing some kind of strange tribal dance.... As for your lawn......I thought that Michael Bay had blew it off the face of the planet and I didn't have to bother anymore? Oh well, am covering myself in lard ready for the long swim.......

  • May 7, 2011, 3:49 a.m. CST

    shibs- boingboingboingboingboingboingboingboing!!!

    by sam jacksons wig

    At $1000 dollars a time, in court that's $8000 I now owe you..... Detract that from the $75,000 you will owe myself and the frozen one when we discover Amys house s NOT a Tardis and we'll call it quits, eh???

  • May 7, 2011, 3:51 a.m. CST

    ...or toblerones.......

    by sam jacksons wig

  • May 7, 2011, 3:51 a.m. CST

    ...or boing......

    by sam jacksons wig

  • May 7, 2011, 3:51 a.m. CST

    ....or Nickelback.......

    by sam jacksons wig

  • May 7, 2011, 3:57 a.m. CST

    perigee- I doubt it mate. No pairing for those 2. (spoilers?)

    by sam jacksons wig

    Rivers arc will be almost up and not to mention will outstay its welcome come the end of the current season. Remember, we will find out about her and after that, who's interested? She may pop up for the 50th anniversary, and should they have more than one Doctor there, that may play into the issue of her knowing his faces..... who knows? I can't see her being a constant companion. But that's just my 2c. There are those that will arugue against me and say "But what if she turns out to be the Docs wife?" I just don't think so.

  • May 7, 2011, 4:29 a.m. CST

    Depressing news! After this week only 4 more weeks of Who....shit.

    by sam jacksons wig

    Now iS THAT fucking depressing???? Then a 12 week break......more depressing....

  • May 7, 2011, 4:31 a.m. CST

    This bloody DocBack has just swallowed a post!!!

    by sam jacksons wig

  • May 7, 2011, 5:42 a.m. CST

    sam jacksons wig


    Don't panic about the break ... It will fly by and then more Who will be upon us just when we are normally saying goodbye.

  • May 7, 2011, 7:07 a.m. CST


    by frozen01

    Plus, we'll have Torchwood to help fill the gap. Though I'm rather nervous about that. We didn't do so well the last time we tried this... :S

  • May 7, 2011, 7:08 a.m. CST

    Oh, and $75,000...

    by frozen01

    just about equals £10 anymore :S

  • May 7, 2011, 7:14 a.m. CST

    frozen- seen fuck all of the new torchwood.

    by sam jacksons wig

    Know what it is about, know they have a hike in budget and it is filmed entirly in the US, but that's about it. I thought the last one was rather good; bleak as fuck but very good! Season 2 however I really did not care for.

  • May 7, 2011, 7:17 a.m. CST


    by frozen01

    Nah, Michael Bay doesn't care about the suburbs. They're not worth blowing up apparently. Though I kind of wish he had... I could just collect my home owners' insurance and not worry about selling the house ;) Or mowing the lawn (though it looks like the weather might take care of that for me... low-to-mid twenties and thunderstorms for the next few days! Heaven!) and I'm more of an Apothic gal myself... Californian blend of shiraz, merlot, and zinfandel with notes of spice and chocolate... mmmmmmm *drools* If it wasn't currently 7am, I'd be running to the cupboard right now...

  • May 7, 2011, 7:21 a.m. CST


    by frozen01

    Yeah, not a huge fan (though Children of Earth? was good) but my butt'll be in the seat, if only in the attempt to stave off my longing for more Doctor Who. :P At this point I'm wondering if they're going to replace SJA with something else? I didn't really care for it, but from a kid's perspective, I'm sure it was a really good show. Hopefully that K9 show won't count. Poor K9!

  • May 7, 2011, 7:22 a.m. CST

    Dammit, I'd just managed to forget about that show! :P

    by frozen01

  • Don't mind the grape from the sunshine state, but hints of raspberry with a woody/oaky timbre really float my boat. Yummy!!!

  • Who else could follow? We have the captain Jack adventures courtesy of Torchwood, and as for Rose (consigned to parallel dimension), Martha (who's really interested?) Donna (can't see Tate doing that and they've pretty much signed off her character as with all of those attached to Tennant.) Nope. Bow out with the last 6 episodes gracefully and leave it at that.

  • May 7, 2011, 7:51 a.m. CST

    if you miss a single episode of this season

    by emeraldboy

    you will not be able to dr who in the old series. and the tennant/piper, tennant/tate and tennant/ageman series. and eccelstone/piper series. for some reason hmv ireland does not stock the smith era who. just the christmas ep and thats it and volume one of season 5.

  • May 7, 2011, 7:53 a.m. CST

    and you cant buy stuff on the internet with

    by emeraldboy

    a debit card/ laser card....

  • May 7, 2011, 7:57 a.m. CST


    by frozen01

    There was a chance with the K9 show, but they kinda screwed the pooch on that one (haha). Interesting that you've limited the choices to new Who companions. What about Susan? :) Or really anyone... the Death of the Doctor set that up quite nicely, with their list of what previous companions were still doing at the end.

  • May 7, 2011, 8:06 a.m. CST


    by frozen01


  • May 7, 2011, 8:11 a.m. CST

    @Emeraldboy - What do you mean?

    by V'Shael

    I know the show is sold on Volume 1 of season 5 is like 9 quid or something. Volume 2 is 15 quid. And they have the season box set for 60.

  • May 7, 2011, 8:17 a.m. CST

    Frozen- SJS was the iconic "old" companion. Who could replace her?

    by sam jacksons wig

    Susan Foreman? The 5 doctors was her last appearance accompanying Richard Hurndall, and the 1st Doc (Hartnell isn't remembered with much love (by me at least.) Katarina? Dead. Polly? Maybe- nice cross over with SJA in that she is supposed to be working at an orphanage in India. But again, not remembered "enough" Leela? (i'LL JUST HAVE everything ON THE MENU!!! - sorry for the Futurama line there...) A bit agressive.... not the right sort. Oh and I could go on and on and on..... Romana, Tegan (yummy), Peri.... Maybe the Tegan adventues.... with her MILFing herself around time....I'd pay to see that.

  • May 7, 2011, 8:31 a.m. CST

    Ahoy, British Persons!

    by Perigee

    ...You Rats... Enjoy today's bounty. I'll be waiting in the Pirate's Bay awaiting the largesse of your latest broadcast. I now officially forgive you for the Stamp Tax. ...Sorry about the tea...

  • May 7, 2011, 8:37 a.m. CST

    3 hours and 20 minutes to go.

    by sam jacksons wig

  • May 7, 2011, 8:38 a.m. CST

    Oh - and a strange, but very possible Astronaut...

    by Perigee

    We've all been trying to pin the Astronaut on River, or the kid... but last night I started to wonder: "My life is in your hands, Amelia Pond..." Storywise, what would be more emotionally wrenching than Amy having to do the job?

  • May 7, 2011, 8:44 a.m. CST

    perigee- SPOILERS MATE!! Any speculation at all!!

    by sam jacksons wig

    Might not be true, but if you are thinking it, it sounds plausible and it is for events that have not occured then spoilers! Come on mate play the game correctly.

  • It is not fair on others.

  • May 7, 2011, 8:47 a.m. CST

    Sorry, Wiggy...

    by Perigee

    Didn't think that counted for my own hair-brained idears. I'll check myself in future.

  • Why not use "The Sarah Jane Adventures" as a stepping off point and use K9 and the others (Clyde, Luke and Rani) as the main characters. And, call it, "K9 And Company"?

  • May 7, 2011, 8:51 a.m. CST


    by frozen01

    The fact that she's his granddaughter might be enough of a tie-in for the current generation. Plus, who knows with how this series is going... I think a Susan show would have potential. She's a smart character and someone children would be able to identify with... plus she's a Time Lord. Hell, even I would watch, I think :) And thank you thank you thank you for going for Tegan over Peri :)

  • May 7, 2011, 8:56 a.m. CST


    by frozen01

    I believe someone else owns the rights to K9 now. There's already another show with K9 in it, absolutely horrible... Australian, I think? I dunno, last week is kind of a blur at this point...

  • May 7, 2011, 8:58 a.m. CST

    Sorry... British/Australian

    by frozen01

    Still terrible.

  • May 7, 2011, 8:58 a.m. CST

    Hahahaha "Wiggy" :) I like it! :)

    by frozen01

  • May 7, 2011, 8:59 a.m. CST

    I'm going to predict a bad episode.

    by V'Shael

    Semi-seriously, I have the following reasons. Episode 3 has been mostly traditionally bad. The Unquiet Dead Gridlock Planet of the Ood Victory of the Daleks. Stunt casting (Lily Allen, Catherine Tate in the Runaway Bride, Kylie Minogue, the Eastenders girl in the flying bus, etc...) has never been very successful. I mean, I could hope for an episode like School Reunion, which also had stunt casting if you think about it. But I think historically and statistically the odds are against it. I'll say the same when Mark Gatiss's script comes around, since I don't think he's ever delivered script-wise or acting-wise in the show. (He was brilliant in League of Gentlemen though.) Commence snarking and disagreement if you must, but I'm nailing my colours to the mast. Episode will be poor. :)

  • May 7, 2011, 9:04 a.m. CST

    Frozen- Tegan was fiiiiine. Just fiiiiine.

    by sam jacksons wig

  • May 7, 2011, 9:07 a.m. CST

    2 hours and 50 minutes..... avast ye landlubbers!!!

    by sam jacksons wig

  • Sam, or anyone, do you still think the mid-season cliffhanger is a clone taking the Doctor's place on the TARDIS, with Amy and Rory not knowing it? Or, could something be happening to Amy and Rory,(New companion(s)? I hope not.) based on the fact that Gillian and Darvill are working on other projects now or, will it deal with the death of the Doctor?

  • May 7, 2011, 9:18 a.m. CST


    by frozen01

    Pardon my anti-Peri-ism. The accent, hun, just... guh, distracting. Makes me wonder what she was watching (hint: probably too many Westerns). Her well-proportioned rack gives her too much of a pass for some (I won't name names... they know who they are). I need to watch more Tegan eps, though. what I saw, I liked :)

  • May 7, 2011, 9:20 a.m. CST


    by frozen01

    VotD grew on me after a couple more viewings. And I kinda liked Gridlock and Planet of the Ood. Didn't particularly care for School Reunion, though, except for the obvious. I'll throw in "unimportant but fun". That's my prediction :) A stepping stone to what will be the BEST EPISODE EVAR I'm sure ;)

  • Since K9 is still on SJA, I thought RTD could still use K9 and the others.

  • May 7, 2011, 9:24 a.m. CST

    v'shael and others...

    by emeraldboy

    interesting story.... it was emeraldbro's birthday a number of years ago and so I decided to get him a bday present. season one and two of the tennant era dr. who, I called up golden discs in dun loaghaire and the one in town. only to be told they didnt stock dr who. due to a problem with the seller in the uk. or whatever. bs here is the interesting part of the story....I called hmv in ireland. went in and found that they had season one part one. I thought that's no good. I went back in to hmv. and all traces of dr who vanished from hmv's shelves. I got on to them about this and was informed that only a day after stocking them, they recieved a stern letter ordering that all of the dr who dvds were to be removed with immediate effect. or legal action would follow. they were removed immediately. Right up to know I have been watching dr. who on tv. and rewatching them on bbc three. I had to watch all of the pandorica opens on youtube. I spent a day on my bros mac watching all of the tennant era who youtube. some clever clogs on youtube split them up into parts. bbc got wind of this and ordered youtube to remove all tennant era clips. I can watch the trailers and clips. I have broadband access but I cant watch episodes of dr who because I dont live in the uk. Which is stupid on the bbcs part. and I will have to wait for the dvd for game of thrones. to come out because, that swine murdoch has barred any other channel from getting thier hands on it. bastards the lot of them.....

  • Just my opinion, but, that would be Peri Brown, I was soooooooo sorry to seeeeeeeeee her go. Who knows, maybe she made Colin Baker's Doctor more enjoyable, maybe. But, then, I never had a problem with any of the last 10 Doctors.

  • May 7, 2011, 9:27 a.m. CST

    axcel- hello mate! (spoliers- not for the fainthearted...aharr!!)

    by sam jacksons wig

    Never said the Doc would be usurped from the Tardis by a clone, but I definately think that he will be cloned. I do know that Amy actually meets her clone (it rides past her on a bike) and shares a motorcycle seat with it, linked to the story of the Germans (with the Tardis possibly crashing into Hitlers office.) There are also images surfacing of 2 types of infants crib- one which is white and pod-like and another brown and very steam-punky. What else do we know? That there are twins in episode 7 (twin babies.) The steam punky crib is also resting on a box branded with the Omega 2 symbol which also appeared on the clerics arm. I have theorised (with evidence) that River is Amys daughter. We also know that River was under the watchful eye of the Clerics. So what do I think the series cliffhanger will be? There are 2 River Songs. One evil and one good. Both from Amy. The Arse faced alien said that Amy would "bring forth the silence." And that the evil River Song kills a clone of the Doctor believing it to be the real one. Food for thought..... and I'm more than likely wrong.

  • No one was listening to a word Peri was saying.

  • May 7, 2011, 9:30 a.m. CST

    and before I went away to spain for christmas...

    by emeraldboy

    I went into hmv and asked them when season was coming out I was told november and baulked at the price 70 euro. I thought I will wait till I get home. Came back and went back into hmv to find that season 5 wasnt available. many months later went back into hmv again and the only smith era who ep i could find was the christmas. one.

  • Maybe it's just me, but, she always seemed to be a real sourpuss. Maybe, being on the TARDIS was too much for her.

  • May 7, 2011, 9:39 a.m. CST

    2 hours and 20 minutes to go....pieces of eight!!!

    by sam jacksons wig

  • I like what you were saying, it would tie up the loose ends, as they say. And, wouldn't it be great if everyone enjoyed every episode this year? Oh, wait, someone's already complained about the first episode, better luck next year, LOLOLOL!!!

  • May 7, 2011, 9:43 a.m. CST


    by frozen01

    We don't even have HMVs; our equivalent went out of business several years ago, I believe. I've seen Doctor Who discs at two stores. One is (was) right by my grocery store, and they had a fantastic selection of all things DW, but they closed a little over a month ago (technically moved, but we still have no idea where to... we've been waiting for five weeks for an announcement). The other is about a 20 minute drive and ridiculously priced, plus their selection is very hit-or-miss. Luckily I stocked up on goodies while in London, but DVDs are out because of region coding. And don't even get me started on Game of Thrones. Cable TV is VERY expensive here, and the channels that air all the good stuff cost even more. To be able to see Game of Thrones legally (without waiting for the DVD, same as you) I would have to drop about £100 a month, just for TV (not including internet or phone, though I would get a discount on those).

  • May 7, 2011, 9:48 a.m. CST

    Sleep tonight!

    by AstroNerdBoy

    Whew! Can't wait to see this tonight when I get up. First two episodes were great and I suspect this one will be pretty nifty as well.

  • "Peri's greatest assets weren't her voice...great eye candy but Tegan much much better." Now, the first part I understand, the second part about Tegan, if you mean as a companion then I totally agree with you. If you mean that in another way, I won't disagree with you.

  • May 7, 2011, 9:50 a.m. CST

    Katy Manning & SPOILERS

    by veteran_of_mu

    That's the most distracting image of Jo Grant I've seen since she shared a coffin with SJ. As for spoilers ... "An army of monsters from outer space will make a carbon copy of the handsome Doctor as they invade Earth. However, the Time Lord will only discover the clone when he comes face to face with himself as he investigates the alien invasion, and tries to foil the extra-terrestrial beings’ plans to take over the world. His companions Amy and Rory also become confused when they can’t work out which is the real Doctor and which is his double, and whom they should be taking instructions from." (From AND there's a clip from the black spot in this otherwise unbearable talk show feed:

  • Sopranos, X Files, Boardwalk Empire, Curb Your Enthusiasm, Blue Bloods, Game of Thrones (what a fucking truly excellently fantastical superb amazingly brilliant show that is!!) And I don't have to pay a penny more for it than my regular subscription of £40 a month!!!! OH YEAH!!!

  • May 7, 2011, 9:51 a.m. CST

    Speaking of Tegan... a story from WAY back when...

    by V'Shael

    It's possible some other fans here might remember this... but way back in the day I used to get the occasional Doctor Who magazine and at Christmas, get the annual, etc... And I remember one article in one of them, maybe a magazine, maybe an annual, which talked about Janet Fielding wearing these really high boots, and it was because some CAD somewhere had once told her that she didn't have attractive legs.

  • May 7, 2011, 9:52 a.m. CST


    by frozen01

    I noticed. But frankly, I didn't even think she was that good looking, aside from the obvious. I'd prefer a woman less well endowed in the chest whom I can actually stand to listen to and look in the face, thanks. Complete package beats muzzle and paper bag over the head any day of the week. :P Amy, for instance. Martha, in some aspects. Tegan, whom we mentioned. Romana.

  • May 7, 2011, 10:07 a.m. CST


    by frozen01

    Oops, I screwed up... the £100 would include internet (actually closer to £110)... cable TV by itself (with HBO and Showtime) would be closer to £85, but that's still really expensive, and why I do not even own a television any more. But yes, you do have strangely inexpensive things there. 19p for a packet of paracetamol? I probably looked like an idiot staring at the shelves trying to figure out in which universe that could be possible *LOL* And I picked up a Flight Control TARDIS at the Doctor Who Experience gift shop for less than half of any price I'd ever seen before, even online (though Simon apparently saw it at ASDA for a bit cheaper).

  • May 7, 2011, 10:18 a.m. CST

    frozen- cheapest packet of paracetamol I have seen is 15p.

    by sam jacksons wig

    Not the best or the strongest but will do the job. However, we are completely over priced on other things- a new chart DVD will set you back £12 to £15 (about $28). Fuel is ridiculously expensive over here- £1.37 per litre (it costs £72 to fill up one of my cars.) Krispy Creme donughts- £10 for a selection pack of 12.

  • We all have different tastes, hey, I liked "Victory Of The Daleks". "Oh, you're the one!" I'm sure someone is saying right now.

  • May 7, 2011, 10:31 a.m. CST

    Walk the fucking plank!!!! 1 and a half hours ye swabs!!!

    by sam jacksons wig

  • May 7, 2011, 10:37 a.m. CST

    River Song is....(spoilers)

    by DoctorTom

    River Song is actually a grown up River Tam, having married someone with the last name of Song, getting a perm and leaving the Serenity. How she managed to leave the Whedonverse and get into Doctor Who is a completely different story. <br> <br> Last week provided the proof. Saturday night on Day of the Moon they showed River Song shooting, doing the spinny thing and shooting the person behind her without looking. Sunday night the Science Channel showed the episode of Firefly where River Tam looked at where all the bad guys were, picked up the gun Kaylee dropped, closed her eyes and shot all the bad guys dead. <br> <br> Well, it's probably not the right answer, but it should be!

  • May 7, 2011, 10:40 a.m. CST

    there are no more independent small shops left

    by emeraldboy

    in ireland. be it record shops, groceries stores and small video stores. hmv wiped out in conjunction with the internet small indigenous record shops. the net has in turn wiped out HMV. hmv owned waterstones which it bought at the height of the credit boom. two months ago, hmv closed both its dublin waterstones shops. and disney are coming to dublin. they are opening a store in grafton street. another victim of the recession was the lighthouse cinema. which was shutdown after its landlord went to the highcourt and got a winding up petition. the landlord had upped the rates from 100,000 to 200,000. lighthouse's original owners couldnt pay. so the landlord went to court. the owners appealed but the landlord won.

  • May 7, 2011, 10:42 a.m. CST

    doctortom- oh dear.......just...oh dear....

    by sam jacksons wig

  • May 7, 2011, 10:47 a.m. CST

    What would piss me off truly about tonights episode?? (spoilers)

    by sam jacksons wig

    If at the end everything is happily ever after, and the Siren goes happily into the night never to bother sailors again.... the Doctor having solved the riddle and helped her back to happines... ...I just have a feeling that this is what will happen.

  • May 7, 2011, 10:48 a.m. CST

    Or River Song is Goldberry

    by Perigee

    Tom Bombadil's wife. After all, he called her "River-Woman's Daughter..." in a Song! Woooaaah - The Cracks of Doom!! Sauron is the Big Bad!

  • May 7, 2011, 11:02 a.m. CST

    What's wrong with Victory of the Daleks?

    by maelstrom_ZERO

    I honestly thought that episode was pretty good--I mean, it had to have been, after the disappointment of The Beast Below. You had WWII, Winston Churchill, the Daleks playing massive mindgames with the Doctor, and a giant in-space battle. What's not to like? The only thing that bothered me about it was the whole iPod colour design of the Daleks. I felt like I was watching Apple roll out their new Nano colours. It was silly, but then again, the Daleks have always smacked of camp, in between their bouts of general badassery.

  • May 7, 2011, 11:02 a.m. CST

    On the subject of SJA adventures,

    by notspock2

    It's a real shame that that story has to end- I think the kids should get their own show though -they'd shouldn't blink out of existence just because of Elizabeth Sladen's sad loss- How about keeping the kids, mr smith, k-9 and adding the doctor's daughter to the mix? My inner 8 year old would go for that...

  • May 7, 2011, 11:33 a.m. CST


    by notspock2

    Victory of the Daleks? - My biggest problem was them retrofitting the spitfires for space travel in about 5 minutes- it really did need explaining withing the episode - especially since it wasn't the doctor doing it. - ruined the whole climax for me.

  • May 7, 2011, 11:33 a.m. CST

    @Maelstrom Zero - It's been gone over in many places

    by V'Shael

    But among the more egregious problems were the 10 minutes it took to retrofit spitfires with advanced technology, and the idea of talking a bomb into not exploding by picturing a lost love.

  • May 7, 2011, 11:37 a.m. CST

    @EmeraldBoy - Crap, I didn't know Waterstones was gone.

    by V'Shael

    What about Hodges Figgis on Dawson Street, which faced Waterstones? Or the smaller book stores like Murder Inc.? Any knowledge? I haven't been in the city centre in months, and had no idea it was getting so bad.

  • May 7, 2011, 11:38 a.m. CST



    TOTALLY agree with your post titled "I'm going to predict a bad episode." The odds are indeed stacked against this one and I too believe Gattiss "ever delivered script-wise or acting-wise". You speak the truth, buddy!

  • May 7, 2011, 11:44 a.m. CST



    This episode was originally scheduled to be episode eight or nine, wasn't it? I think The Moff brought it forward for some reason. It therefore might escape the Episode Three badness because of this technicality.

  • ....the ep will be very good!! I am Criswell, and IIIIIIIIII predict.......

  • May 7, 2011, 12:05 p.m. CST

    I'll be happy to be wrong.... but we'll see.

    by V'Shael

  • May 7, 2011, 12:05 p.m. CST

    Viddy well, Droogs.

    by Perigee

  • May 7, 2011, 12:09 p.m. CST

    Did they film this episode on the POTC4 set?


    Anyone know? It would kind of make sense seeing as the production team for that movie were filming around London recently and they built a few pirate boats there.

  • May 7, 2011, 12:11 p.m. CST


    by Smashing

    I just saw Thor and absolutely loved it, he's so dreamy and his 3D house is cool as.

  • May 7, 2011, 12:13 p.m. CST

    yay mealstrom zero.

    by Smashing

    I really enjoyed VOTD too, I even like the bulkier dalek look, it makes the whole thing look more like a tank, I just wish there whole necks turned instead of just the head dome.

  • May 7, 2011, 12:18 p.m. CST

    well the music is too loud and blots out

    by V'Shael

    The dialog. Not a good start, frankly.

  • May 7, 2011, 12:42 p.m. CST

    Still loving Matts performance

    by V'Shael

    But the story is very very silly. Smashing all that glass in a hurry when a scratch can kill you? DUMB.

  • May 7, 2011, 12:50 p.m. CST

    Alien bogies can sit comfortably next

    by V'Shael

    To farting aliens in terms of childish idiocy.

  • May 7, 2011, 1:01 p.m. CST

    And talk about a dram-less climax...

    by V'Shael

    It was done better in The Abyss for one. And the thought that the Doctor would not know CPR is almost as dumb as pirates working out how to fly a spaceship.

  • He was that good...... Great dialogue, brilliant acting, good relationship stuff between Rory and Amy, Arthur Darvill was superb!!!! V'Shael and Christian_Bale..... a serving of words for you, sirs...?

  • May 7, 2011, 1:04 p.m. CST

    I hope the kids are happy now !

    by dj_bollocks

    Good clean fun !

  • May 7, 2011, 1:04 p.m. CST

    That was strange...

    by Captain_Ridley

    Didn't the voice in the trailer for next week's episode sound like Tom Baker?

  • Atmospheric, eerie, witty, great banter, excellent set design....were we watching the same episode? And YOU KNEW Rory wasn't going to die, so what was the problem there???? AND WHERE WERE YOUR SPOILER WARNINGS?????

  • May 7, 2011, 1:05 p.m. CST

    The 3 main actors were grand...the writing though...

    by V'Shael

    Very poor. Very very poor indeed.

  • May 7, 2011, 1:05 p.m. CST

    I'd like you to know I hate you all.

    by Perigee

    At least for the next two hours or so. And it looks like V'Shael has been forging an iron opinion of distain throughout so far; whatever he will be eating, it looks like it will be with sharp, rending teeth.

  • May 7, 2011, 1:05 p.m. CST

    in the "Next Week" teaser *spoilers*

    by s0l

    The voice to me sounded awfully like Tom Baker. Best line from next week: The Doctor walking away in a strop "You're not my mother!"

  • May 7, 2011, 1:06 p.m. CST

    captain_ridley - YES IT DID!!! But I doubt it's him!

    by sam jacksons wig

  • May 7, 2011, 1:06 p.m. CST


    by sam jacksons wig

  • May 7, 2011, 1:08 p.m. CST

    Worst one for me I'm afraid

    by 2LeggedFreak

    The Doctor was written as next to useless in this and really didn't contribute much beyond a lot of gurning a la Tennant. Thompsons second Sherlock episode was pants as well so he is officially is banned from writing for any of my favourite shows now.

  • May 7, 2011, 1:10 p.m. CST

    v'shael - NO it wasn't!!! (spoilers)

    by sam jacksons wig

    The banter was first class! After the heavyweight issues of 1 & 2 I can clearly see why they bumped it to third. The tension needed to be broken for a period of time. No- it was a first class job! Cracking ialogue between the primarys, and great support from the ancilary cast. I don't know how you could have hated it....

  • May 7, 2011, 1:11 p.m. CST

    dont know about murder inc...

    by emeraldboy

    dont know about hodges figgis either.

  • May 7, 2011, 1:12 p.m. CST

    Fuck spoiler warnings. The episode AIRED.

    by V'Shael

    @Sam Jacksons Wig - I have NEVER allowed the excuse that it's aimed at children to handwave away really stupid story telling. If a single scratch is such a problem, and the Doctor is supposedly smart, why smash all that glass in a rapid haphazard manner? Yes, we knew Rory wasn't going to die, so that means that the story had a drama-less climax. Exactly my complaint. "Atmospheric, eerie, witty, great banter, excellent set design" ALL TRUE. None of which changes that the plotting was very very very stupid.

  • May 7, 2011, 1:15 p.m. CST

    Running a little late this week.

    by MoffatBabies

    DYING to watch!!!

  • May 7, 2011, 1:15 p.m. CST


    by CartoonScott

    A rather ropey episode, an obvious filler and one to keep the kiddies happy after the last two head scratchers for them. Next week looks a lot more interesting

  • May 7, 2011, 1:16 p.m. CST


    by photoboy

    That was pretty disappointing. The plot felt incoherent and the dialogue seems to be rattled off at such a rate it's hard to understand at times. I think the producers should consider going to a 60 minute format or something, as it just feels like they're trying to cram a 60 minute story into 45 and ending up with an incoherent mess. Plus this week's plot felt really generic. The patients suspended from the ceiling was done 5 years ago by Enterprise, and the autonomous medical computer carrying on without its operators reminds me strongly of something I've seen before, although I can't place it at the moment. Oh and seriously, the cliched last minute revival from CPR, again? How many shows have done that over the years? So predictable, and the Abyss did it much better. The only saving grace as far as I could see is that Matt Smith continues to be a really excellent Doctor. Amy is OK, but she is seriously hampered by having Rory hanging around all the time. I think it's time for him to go away so we can get back to the better Doctor/Amy dynamic from last season. Oh and also on the plus side, no fucking River Song. That's always a good thing.

  • May 7, 2011, 1:19 p.m. CST

    The only problem I had with it... <spoilers>

    by dj_bollocks

    ...was the necessity to involve the spaceship bit which seemed a bit like lazy writing - we've seen that before (I'm guessing Stargate's probably done it a million times too !!!) Good to see eyepatch lady again and the end scenes were a nice reminder of the ongoing arc too... Ood ? Do we need them back ?

  • May 7, 2011, 1:20 p.m. CST

    Not bad at all.


    It was certainly not up there with the previous two episodes (but then, how could it be?) but I had good fun with this one. Sure, there were some flaws in there (someone's already mentioned smashing the glass when a cut could kill you) but it wasn't a deal-breaker for me. Lilly Cole was quite enchanting, the sets looked really good and the third act twist was pretty cool. And, lo, there's the one-eyed woman again. I'm looking forward to finding out what that's all about! I'd probably give this episode a hearty 6.5 - 7/10 and won't mind revisiting it when I eventually purchase the boxset. NEIL GAIMAN'S EPISODE LOOKS AMAZING!!!

  • May 7, 2011, 1:20 p.m. CST

    That was all very silly.

    by Gabba-UK

    But good fun because of the performances. There was a ridiculous amount of plot holes (smashing glass when you don't want to cut yourself?). But like I said Matt Smith carried it with great gusto, Amy as a pirate (right on soooo many levels), Rory growing more as a character, a small hint of the continuing story arc (Frances Barber and another hatch). And Amy being pregnant/not pregnant, what's that about? I don't want to analyse it too much because I really want The Moff to sucker pinch me with that one. A below average plot premise rescued by the performances would be my summation of the episode.

  • I guess that'll be pulled now. Will that mean more set space for Doctor Who?

  • It was a slice of hokum removed from the larger arc (until the end.)

  • May 7, 2011, 1:24 p.m. CST

    I liked The Blind Banker (Sherlock)

    by MoffatBabies

    Ouch. So I guess perhaps that disqualifies me from properly hating this one, since I will most likely enjoy the hell out of it. Is Gatiss back this series? I tend to enjoy his episodes as well. (yes, even "The First Men In the Moon" I thought was delightful, great fun )

  • May 7, 2011, 1:25 p.m. CST

    V'Shael (Nobody read this if you've not seen the episode yet!)


    You say it had a drama-less ending but that wasn't the case for me. I've been avoiding spoilers and so, when Rory lay dying, I thought to myself that maybe he WAS being written out of the show. I therefore disagree with your assessment.

  • May 7, 2011, 1:25 p.m. CST

    Let me qualify that.

    by MoffatBabies

    I liked it. The first and last episodes of Sherlock were much better. But I didn't think The Blind Banker was bad. Just not better. Certainly not PANTS.

  • May 7, 2011, 1:27 p.m. CST

    i awate piratebay etc for a viewing tommorow also

    by alexander

    i don't own a tv and i can't stand to watch the shitty quality streams they put out on the Beebs site. Not to get all funny or show disent, i mean BBC more than anyone as slow as it has been to catch up does appear to really get what torrenting and 'piracy' is really all about and have chosen to embrace and work with it (they recognised record numbers they couldnt account for in typical ratings were downloading their most popular shows, Eastenders being a big one for example, this led to their own download player as well as streams, also it would appear 'turning a blind eye' quality rips of their shows on torrent sites, if not actually put out by themselves as ludicrous as that might sound but it all makes sense if you think about it: best free marketing tool! brilliant thoughts/summary here everyone should check out and spread across the net en-pigs-fly-death-of-oink-birth-of.html etc) ... but all the same i find it just a little insulting/disingenuous or maybe more just not very thoughtful/respectful, how great dops and people who put everything into the amazing production design overall, have their work reduced to a crappy 350mb quality for people to lap up when they could download it or watch it as it should be, so no streaming or cruddy quality downloads for me... ... and if your wondering, everytime i try to install BBCs Player and download any kind of quality rip, it just seems to fuck up and end up crippling my main drive to the point i need to completely format it and reinstall windows... are you listening BBC damn you!? But you guys are great in that you have embraced or met half way torrenting or 'piracy' rather than spitting on people for showing other people how they should do their jobs and innovate properly, so i give you props for that

  • May 7, 2011, 1:28 p.m. CST

    moffatbabies / sam jackson's wig


    moffatbabies - Yes. Gats is back with an episode after the summer break. I think his episode might be number eight? Sam Jackson's Wig - Good point about the glass not mattering! And, er, thank you too!

  • May 7, 2011, 1:28 p.m. CST

    Bollox to that - On Confidential, Moffat is just admitting

    by V'Shael

    that you HAD to have EVERY single cliche in a Pirate story. Every single one. He even lists them all, and Arthur admits the only thing they were missing was a parrot. Pointing out large plot holes and that the writing is cliche-ridden, is not taking it too seriously.

  • May 7, 2011, 1:29 p.m. CST

    Damn Sam and his fast fingers


    I don't care what his wife thinks of them. I hate those fast fingers.

  • May 7, 2011, 1:29 p.m. CST

    If indeed they chose to put Rory in jeopardy

    by MoffatBabies

    ..bad idea. Considering the gravity of the character. When and if he goes, he carries with him such weight and such history... can't be a death in some filler episode designed to delight the kids. If that is what this is.

  • May 7, 2011, 1:31 p.m. CST

    Every time I read the name of this episode

    by MoffatBabies

    I read it first as "the curse of the Black Pearl". That mythology is still swimming around in my brainpan I guess.

  • May 7, 2011, 1:31 p.m. CST

    christian_bale- we wont stop the V'Shael hate for this ep.

    by sam jacksons wig

    I accept the fact that he doesn't like it, I just disagree entirely with his reasons. As no doubt he disagrees with mine for liking it. People are talking about lazy writing. Disagree!!! The dialogue had to have something to it for the cast to deliver it with the fun and gusto that they did. The looks on the faces of the "mesmerised" was priceless, especially Rory; and the "beautiful" banter was hilarious!! What was not to like?

  • May 7, 2011, 1:31 p.m. CST


    by frozen01

    Hmmm, I think the last time I bought a DVD, it was about $22... so that's been going up. As is petrol... the last month or so has seen an astronomical jump, over $1/gallon, though we haven't quite reached your levels *LOL* And thank the gods for that... public transit is an absolute joke, even here in Chicago it's really pathetic, and everything is sooooo spread out (which is always a source of trans-Atlantic amusement ;) ). If it cost as much as it does over there, I'm pretty sure there would be rioting. I guess I should at least be grateful for that. TV I can give up, but driving... not so much. And I don't get headaches that often ;) And this is gonna sound silly, but I have absolutely no idea how much doughnuts cost *LOL* I should investigate ;) But mainly I expected everything to be more expensive over there, so it was a little bit of a pleasant surprise when I found that wasn't really the case... most things were on par with home, even cheaper in some cases. *shrugs* I'd heard so many horror stories about how expensive London is, but, except for the cabs *grumble* it really wasn't that bad.

  • that stock at least say, 1/2 of the amount of Who your referring to - i know for certain of one here in Wells, Somerset - and Im sure for a modest fee they'd be happy to mail that stuff to you... i have no idea if that helps really but...

  • ...the first 2 set up the story arc and were HUGE in spectacle, and this was a gorgeous little filler completely rem oved from them... ...of course it will be the worst so far!!!

  • May 7, 2011, 1:33 p.m. CST

    please still post spoiler warnings

    by frozen01

    Although I'm going to assume that most of this is going to be ABOUT the episode, some of us haven't gotten to see it yet. And not just us Yanks!

  • May 7, 2011, 1:36 p.m. CST

    Getting the episode now.

    by MoffatBabies

    Will watch in... about 5 minutes. Excited!!! Enthusiasm! Wide-eyed alacrity!!

  • If that's what they set out to do, then they did well! Infact I think they did well regardless!!!

  • May 7, 2011, 1:37 p.m. CST

    Thanks Sam Jacksons Wig and Christian Bale TML

    by MoffatBabies

    Great to hear he's back.

  • And, I already know I WILL enjoy every minute of it!! Oh, and, thank you for telling that Rory does not die, that would lessen my enjoyment, but, not by much.

  • May 7, 2011, 1:38 p.m. CST

    Maybe to save space we could preface spoiler posts

    by MoffatBabies

    with something like SW: (for spoiler warnings)

  • May 7, 2011, 1:39 p.m. CST

    SW: My pants.

    by MoffatBabies

    Not wearing them. See?

  • May 7, 2011, 1:40 p.m. CST

    i thought that episode was fun...

    by emeraldboy

    even though i think it ran out of steam near the end. and the hints of the drs demise meant that it wasnt a complete stand alone ep. I am intrigued to know who the lady with the patch is and her connection to amy pond. and whats with the line we have to save toby and rory. i think that amy is going to die. at some point....because he either has to save her or the tardis.

  • May 7, 2011, 1:40 p.m. CST

    Okay, got it. Waching now.

    by MoffatBabies

    Have fun all.

  • May 7, 2011, 1:41 p.m. CST


    by MoffatBabies

    Now there's a word that doesn't get as much use as it should anymore. People should use it with alacrity.

  • May 7, 2011, 1:42 p.m. CST

    @Sam Jacksons Wig - You keep going on about the dialog

    by V'Shael

    so I have to make the distinction between writing and plotting. "Writing" no doubt includes the scripted dialog, with which I had no problem. But plotting matters to me. Always has. We were just discussing Victory of the Daleks earlier and the 10 minute spitfire retrofit for example. And talking a bomb out of exploding by making it think of a lost love. The dialog may have been drowned out a bit by some really bad sound mixing, but there was nothing wrong with the dialog at all. But plot wise... massive holes, no drama in the climax, and some very very dumb things happen. Like pirates from the 18th century (?) teaching themselves how to fly a spaceship. I'm sorry, but no, I can't say "Well done." I'd smack the writer upside the head, and say "Do it again, and do it properly next time."

  • May 7, 2011, 1:42 p.m. CST

    sam jacksons wig

    by MoffatBabies

    Absolutely. I'll not judge until I've seen it.

  • May 7, 2011, 1:43 p.m. CST

    emeraldboy (spoilers)

    by sam jacksons wig


  • May 7, 2011, 1:44 p.m. CST

    As much as I hate Xfinity's policies

    by MoffatBabies

    I got that episode SO fast. At one point it was coming down at over 3MB per second. NUTS!

  • May 7, 2011, 1:44 p.m. CST


    by 2LeggedFreak

    Sorry, to bee clear I meant the worst Matt Smith episode so far. And you are doing a great job of defending the writing without referencing my main point that the Doctor was absolutely fucking useless in this episode. Moffattbabies...I think what killed the Blind Banker for me was that stupid machine for killing people which they then carted down to some basement when they wanted to have the big climax for the show. It was as if , as a professional assassin I was wandering around town with 4 guys in tow carrying a friggin guillotine !!! Interestingly there are some resonances with this review I found of Steve Thompsons Sherlock episode

  • May 7, 2011, 1:45 p.m. CST

    @Emerald Boy - Toby.

    by V'Shael

    The line "We've got to save Toby and Rory". Well, Toby was the Captains kid, who had a black spot. Rory also had a black spot. And there was reflective surfaces in the powder room.

  • May 7, 2011, 1:45 p.m. CST

    Next weeks Confidential with Neil Gaiman looks BRILLIANT.

    by V'Shael

    May be as much fun as the episode.

  • May 7, 2011, 1:50 p.m. CST

    I see what you're saying V'Shael


    I hated the spitfires in space and love stops explosions scenes in "Victory Of The Daleks" too. The pirates flying the ship here didn't bother me nearly as much and the reason is that it wasn't especially vital to the plot. The two previously mentioned scenes from VOTD contained two resolutions to the crisis and were badly thought out. The pirates flying the ship scene was just a cutaway moment at the end. Was it silly? Sure. Did it damage what had come before it? Not really.

  • May 7, 2011, 1:51 p.m. CST

    v'shael - (spoilers)

    by sam jacksons wig

    The Doc taught them how to fly the ship.... the Captain clearly asked him after he told him he could..... .... "If you show me where the (I forget the word he used) is...." intimated that he could pilot it if he Doc showed him. Besides, he hadbeen inside the Tardis and saw how that was piloted (poorly hahahaha)....

  • May 7, 2011, 1:53 p.m. CST

    @Sam - Now you're just reaching...

    by V'Shael

    I'll show you where the Astrolabe is. Then let's see you fly the shuttle, okay?

  • May 7, 2011, 1:54 p.m. CST



    "worst Matt Smith episode so far" - I think this episode was vastly superior to VOTD, personally. "the Doctor was absolutely fucking useless" - Not so. He identified the problem and, without him convincing the others to prick their fingers, the group wouldn't have made it into the ship. I'd say he was far from useless, personally. And, on "The Blind Banker" - what killed that episode for me is the fact that the woman at the end couldn't work out how to tip over her chair!

  • May 7, 2011, 1:55 p.m. CST

    2 legged.....this was Rory and Amys episode.

    by sam jacksons wig

    Relationship banter, near death experiences, love, life, death. Glad th Doc took a bit of a back seat- wouldn't have worked otherwise.

  • thing, sure I could have let it go. But it wasn't. It was one more silly thing piled onto an already large pile of silly things. This won't be an episode I'll ever watch again. It may divide opinion, between those for whom plotting matters, and those for whom it is an optional extra, but I've made my peace with it being a poor episode, and don't feel the need to justify that opinion any further.

  • May 7, 2011, 1:57 p.m. CST

    Is Rory a sort of negative queue jumper

    by 2LeggedFreak

    I only ask because by some incredible fluke of nature, he was the 3rd person cut tonight but somehow managed to be the last person to be taken against their will. Thats the kind of thing that niggles you through-out poorly written crap like this...why is Rory still here ?. And then as v'shael says, the whole CPR thing at the end doesn't matter when you know Rory isn't going to die and even if he does, he won't stay dead for long. And I am being kind here and deliberately ignoring Amy's 5 minutes of fame at the beginning of the episode when she was channelling Geena Davis as some sort of toughened female sea pirate, erm with absolutely no experience necessary ---whilst the Doctor stood around being FUCKING USELESS

  • May 7, 2011, 1:57 p.m. CST

    Damn Being at work

    by shibleybc

    Only three hours till i settle down to enjoy! :)

  • May 7, 2011, 2 p.m. CST

    Wow! I love this divided opinion shit!!! SPICY!!!!

    by sam jacksons wig

  • May 7, 2011, 2:01 p.m. CST

    I'm going to bite my tongue


    And stick my fingers in my ears. Lalalalalalalalalalalalalalalalalalalalalalalalala

  • May 7, 2011, 2:01 p.m. CST

    Art imitates life

    by CptBlood

    Had great fun with this episode, only problem, I have to start a new drama project next week with my year eights and I thought"You know what would be fun ? space pirates" So I worked out the lesson plan, got everything sorted and then this bloody thing happenes. Now they'll all think I was copying Dr Who :(

  • May 7, 2011, 2:02 p.m. CST


    by 2LeggedFreak

    Oh yes that's right !!! I'd forgotten. So they cart around this mega-ginormous killing apparatus to do away with their enemies and then we have a harrowing end where Holmes is trying to rescue the heroine who is basically tied up in a chair in front of this device. And the whole country is probably screaming at the tv ---"knock your chair over you silly cow !!!" To be fair tonights episode wasn't as bad as that but it wasn't great

  • May 7, 2011, 2:08 p.m. CST

    Lily Cole is so fucking beautiful!!!!

    by sam jacksons wig

  • The first one involves a knock on the Tardis door, while they are in deep deep space. Outside, is a white box (as seen in various trailers) and the Doctor exclaims "I have mail!" The second clip is a little more spoilery. It's clearly from later in the episode. Amy and Rory are trapped in a locked Tardis, which the Doctor can't open. An entity called House is stealing it. The Tardis dematerialises and the Doctor is trapped on the junk planet, and admits he doesn't know what to do next.

  • May 7, 2011, 2:12 p.m. CST



    1. The Pandorica Opens 2. The Eleventh Hour 3. Amy's Choice 4. The Impossible Astronaut 5. The Big Bang 6. The Time Of Angels 7. Day Of The Moon 8. Flesh And Stone 9. Vincent And The Doctor 10. The Lodger 11. The Curse Of The Black Spot 12. The Vampires Of Venice 13. The Beast Below 14. The Hungry Earth 15. Cold Blood 16. Victory Of The Daleks

  • May 7, 2011, 2:13 p.m. CST

    Preview Clips

    by 2LeggedFreak

    Holy God Next week looks good and no mistake !!!

  • May 7, 2011, 2:14 p.m. CST



  • May 7, 2011, 2:20 p.m. CST

    CB....,m,mmmmmmmmmmm....(can I open my mouth now?)

    by sam jacksons wig

  • May 7, 2011, 2:20 p.m. CST


    by 2LeggedFreak

    Surprised at how low The Hungry Earth rates I remember my big issues around those episodes being how quickly they set up the alarm system and feeling cheated that they'd promised a game changer and then reneged on that promise but overall I thought they were quite good. What irks you with those episodes my good man ?

  • May 7, 2011, 2:21 p.m. CST

    What did everyone dream about when Moff was given the keys ...


    Was it what we have seen so far?? ... I'm going to controversial and say I'm just not feeling it right now, but bottom line, thats just my opinion guys I'm not saying I'm right. I think in Smith they have the perfect Doctor but everything around him is lukewarm. The storys are more intelligent than the RTD era but the epic stuff feels needlessly complex and stunted while the smaller 'fun' episodes are mostly underwhelming, nothing is truly working 100%. "The Eleventh Hour." has been easily the peak of Moff's run so far, nothing has come close since imo ...

  • May 7, 2011, 2:23 p.m. CST

    It bothers me

    by 2LeggedFreak

    That every time I refresh this talback I am faced with a picture of Jo Grant with a plumbers tool sticking out of her minge. Oh that reminds me ...we haven't heard from dioxholster this week.

  • May 7, 2011, 2:27 p.m. CST

    11th Doc episodes for myself as follows:

    by sam jacksons wig

    1- Amys choice. 2-Vincent and the Doctor 3- The time of Angels 4- Impossible Astronaut 5- 11h Hour 6- Flesh and Stone 7- Pandorica Opens 8- Day of the moon 9- Big Bang 10- Curse of the black spot 11- Vampires of venice 12-Lodger 13- Hungry earth 14- Cold blood 15- Beast below 16- VOTD

  • May 7, 2011, 2:27 p.m. CST


    by zer05um

    This episode was a last minute replacement for one that got moved to the second half of the year...

  • May 7, 2011, 2:33 p.m. CST

    ginge muppet

    by 2LeggedFreak

    I think there are honestly about 4 episodes of Moffatts run that have filled me with warm fuzzines. The rest, whilst not disasters only have any kind of value because of what Matt Smith brings to them. Its an inherent thing that people often undervalue team work and try and make one part of a team the hero when its the joint effort that works. RTDand Moffatt veered too much in favour of Russells slightly silly slant on things but Moffatt is definietly missing what RTD did bring to the show. Under RTD's run we got some stupid sci-fi but some knock your socks off moments as well. Under Moffatt its a hole lot cleverer but its lost something. Case in point --stupidest most cheesy idea ever...The Tardis towing earth home---complete with cheesy acting ( special mention to Donna's mum and her pathetic Alex Ferguson style old persons victory jig). But does it bring a lump to your throat --by hell it does.

  • May 7, 2011, 2:35 p.m. CST

    Dioxholder is sitting shiva.

    by Perigee

    On a folding chair in his living room with five old lady mourners with little gold stamps glued to their foreheads. He asked all his neighbors just to drop off meat loafs and lasagna, but so far, nobody's shown up.

  • May 7, 2011, 2:36 p.m. CST


    by 2LeggedFreak

    You as well---what was up with the Hungry Earth !!

  • May 7, 2011, 2:36 p.m. CST

    Does it bring a lump to your throat? Yes, bile or vomit.

    by V'Shael

    Not sure which.

  • May 7, 2011, 2:38 p.m. CST


    by MoffatBabies

    ROFL! I'd forgotten about the chair thing.

  • This WAS setting up a premise and definately selling us short.

  • May 7, 2011, 2:39 p.m. CST

    I liked it!

    by MoffatBabies

    That was fun. Didn't stand out as memorable, but it wasn't horrible. Was it just me, or did the eyepatch lady's appearance seem tacked on?

  • May 7, 2011, 2:40 p.m. CST



    I've revisited nearly all of the previous season with the exception of those two episodes (and VOTD) for the following reasons: 1. I really hated the new design for the Silurians. It reduced what could have been a potentially cool monster to something from a third rate Star Trek episode. 2. The supporting characters weren't at all interesting or engaging to me. I didn't care for any of them. At least THE BEAST BELOW had "the bloody" Queen and VAMPIRES had Guido. 3. Rory, who I've come to really like, was given pretty much nothing to do. The scenes above the surface would have played out pretty much as they do even without him there. He seems to be included only for the ending. 4. There is very little tension throughout the entire story and the initial horror of the Silurian attack (which I thought was quite effective) is barely sustained at all. 5. The cliffhanger isn't actually that compelling. The classic series would end with something about to kill The Doctor. THE HUNGRY EARTH doesn't end with anything nearly as interesting. I just didn't find either episode very gripping at all. I thought it was quite mediocre apart from the ending, with the death of Rory, although I suspect those scenes were probably written by Moff.

  • May 7, 2011, 2:42 p.m. CST

    Interesting, Mr Wig!


    Glad to see that we both favor Amy's Choice. I absolutely LOVE that episode! Then again, I've always been a fan of 'alternate reality' shows in Science Fiction. Probably why I watch FRINGE.

  • May 7, 2011, 2:43 p.m. CST



    Man, I can't wait for Gaiman's episode next week! I might have to go and watch the trailer for that again.

  • May 7, 2011, 2:45 p.m. CST

    v'shael you heartless bastard

    by 2LeggedFreak

    Here you go...this is for you--Oh and make sure you watch it because some of the shonky sci-fi has been fixed in this clip. You've still got the awful acting though and Tennants gurning mug

  • May 7, 2011, 2:47 p.m. CST

    moffatbabies - told you you would!!! Welcome to the minority!!!

    by sam jacksons wig

  • May 7, 2011, 2:47 p.m. CST

    If Diox were to be killed.

    by MoffatBabies

    It would have to be in a cheaply constructed alien village with huts, somewhere in the same Canadian forest they used for every alien planet they visited for almost every episode of SGU.

  • May 7, 2011, 2:53 p.m. CST

    by dj_bollocks

    Interesting similarity between what happened in Episode 1 and last night's Fringe finale... don't you think ?

  • I enjoyed it, a lot of you hated. I didn't understand the glass-breaking before I watched it, after watching it, it makes sense to me. As for pirates piloting a spaceship, Doctor Who is not shown in real time, a la "24", we don't know how long the Doctor stayed on board (days, weeks, months?) and I'm sure the Doctor just taught the Captain the least he had to know to pilot the ship. (And, maybe there was an on board computer to help him?) v'shael, as a fellow Doctor Who fan, I'm sorry you didn't enjoy it 100% like I did. Next week looks very good.

  • I will be watching DWC in about 10 minutes. I was talking about the youtube clip, not the previews for next week's episode.

  • May 7, 2011, 3:16 p.m. CST

    "You're not my mother!!!"


  • May 7, 2011, 3:17 p.m. CST

    "Yes I Am !!!" qv EastEnders

    by dj_bollocks

  • May 7, 2011, 3:27 p.m. CST

    "The Doctor's Wife" MAY make up for a lack of SUPERNATURAL next week


    Fucking SMALLVILLE finale. I can't believe it's stopping me get my SUPERNATURAL fix next week. Neil Gaiman - you are my only hope.

  • May 7, 2011, 3:31 p.m. CST


    by 2LeggedFreak

    The 10th Season of Smallville is an absolute disgrace. All involved should be locked up for crimes against humanity. Its the laziest, most formualic pile of shite I have seen in many a long year. The worst episode of new who wouldn't deserve to be mentioned in the same breath as that crap fest. Shame on you Warners for letting this happen to your flag ship property.

  • May 7, 2011, 3:32 p.m. CST

    OK EPISODE.......


    sometimes I feel Moff's WHO tenure went downhill after The Eleventh Hour-just not feeling Matt Smith at the moment. Yes, the Doc should be a bit bonkers (he is almost 1000 years old) but he should have a quiet authority-be a leader of men when required-Matt's twitching, twirling characterisation gets close to irritation (is it just me or is he getting more hyper compared to the last season? Step in the wrong direction methinks). Tonight was...fine-the 'supernatural beastie an actual alien' storyline is getting really overused in the new WHO. I find it amazing that these talented writers who have such a broad palette as Dr Who seem to settle with writing samey stories. As a side note after reading sam jacksons wig's Who entries over time I reckon he gets the prize as the most gi-normous nerd currently posting (dunno if that is a compliment or an insult!!!)

  • May 7, 2011, 3:40 p.m. CST



    I won't disagree with you there. Did you see the Hangover parody where everyone became drunk on magic wine and couldn't remember what they'd done the night before. Absolutely dire. I really don't think comic book adaptions can be achieved on the small screen, unless it's in animated form. I guess I might be proved wrong at some point but, based on what I've seen in SMALLVILLE, tv just doesn't have the budget to cope with 22 episodes of superhero action.

  • May 7, 2011, 3:41 p.m. CST

    Oops, typo on my previous post.

    by MoffatBabies

    every episode of Stargate, not SGU.

  • May 7, 2011, 3:42 p.m. CST

    Great Confidential moment

    by MoffatBabies

    Amy Pond, sword in hand, London Fashion Week bag slung over her shoulder. Gahd she's cute.

  • May 7, 2011, 3:42 p.m. CST

    Sam! Siskokid called you a nerd!


    I wouldn't stand for that. Throw your Doctor Who pencil case at him.

  • May 7, 2011, 3:58 p.m. CST

    What was that "friday at 7" bit at the end of Confidential?

    by MoffatBabies


  • May 7, 2011, 4:03 p.m. CST

    I say cos I love!!!!


    PS aintitcool-please put an alert on this article saying there is an adult pic attached-people could be opening this in work (can't be too careful these days!!!

  • May 7, 2011, 4:17 p.m. CST

    Pirate shite

    by Candy ass monkey suit

    I thought tonights ep was utter bollox, it was sub RTD stuff, no real climax, no swashbuckling ( save for a 2min amy pond fight) and the whole story was ludicrous, sometimes you can forgive ludicrous if there is other good stuff going on but none of tonights ep worked im afraid why did the doctor scan amy yet again? This was basically the same scene from last week? To its defense this had a rush post production and edit as this ep was due to be in the latter half of the season airing in th autumn, so it's post was very tight given that they filmed this back in Feeb this yr. Thank god though that Gaimans ep looks marvellous. 3/10 for me

  • At times yes ... Tonight he was border-line comedy sidekick. And watching him sitting on the floor wet and helpless while Amy did her ER thing felt uncomfortable, not sure why but it did.

  • May 7, 2011, 4:24 p.m. CST

    Fear me

    by HornOrSilk

    As long as it is not fear her... But isn't a big thing with this episode.. is the issue of dimensions? I think that will be a major part of who the Eye Patch woman is. And probably still Time Lords (hidden in another dimension?) coming back.... and Amy is the one who made it all possible.

  • Are we getting Doctor Who a day earlier?

  • May 7, 2011, 4:42 p.m. CST

    Friday 7pm

    by dj_bollocks

    It's when the episode gets repeated on BBC 3 (The channel that confidential is on)

  • May 7, 2011, 4:43 p.m. CST

    after scheduling dr who for the past 5 seasons...

    by emeraldboy

    on a saturday it would make no sense for the bbc to move dr who to a friday. unless the ratings are terrible. or they are killing off the one show. and they plan to give dr who a full hour. or there is a dr one special coming up. with a big announcement.

  • May 7, 2011, 4:55 p.m. CST

    Just putting my anchor down here...

    by Kelvington

    So I know where to start reading this very, soon to belong thread. I liked the episode, up to a point, this is probably going to be the weakest one this year, and if that's the case... then it's the best series of Who to date.

  • May 7, 2011, 5:12 p.m. CST


    by frozen01

    That gives me hope. :)

  • May 7, 2011, 5:14 p.m. CST

    Just got home, downloading now

    by frozen01

    will be watching in about 45 minutes, if all goes to plan :) I liked this much better when I could just flip the TV on... *sighs*

  • May 7, 2011, 5:20 p.m. CST

    "then it's the best series of Who to date."


    Out of interest, what do people consider to be the best series since Who returned in 2005. If push came to shove then I think I would have to go with Series 3 ... Martha bugged the shit out of me at times and I'm still not satisfied with Simm's Master but from "The Lazarus Experiment" up to "Utopia" it had some of the strongest episodes I've seen since the return and the whole build up to the final episodes had an exciting energy to them. If the finale had been stronger then it would have been even better.

  • May 7, 2011, 5:21 p.m. CST

    Wont be worst of the season

    by V'Shael

    I think Gatiss will give us that "honor".

  • May 7, 2011, 5:35 p.m. CST


    by frozen01

    I actually place The Lazarus Experiment below Love and Monsters. Probably my least favorite episode of new Who, to be honest. I thought Martha was a great character and Freema a wonderful actress (and quite the beauty), but she was wasted on some pretty silly writing. That said, Human Nature/Family of Blood, Blink (naturally), and Utopia were all great episodes, and series 3 was leaps and bounds better, IMO than S2. I'm partial to S1 and S5, myself.

  • May 7, 2011, 6:21 p.m. CST

    I'm sure that eyepatch lady, or other people...

    by Cap'n Jack

    ...will be peeping through that door hole throughout the season. It's this years crack in the wall.

  • May 7, 2011, 7:06 p.m. CST

    Oh, screw you all, I loved it ;)

    by frozen01

    And cap'n jack, I think you're right about that.

  • May 7, 2011, 7:24 p.m. CST

    Evening All.....well technically morning for me :(

    by shibleybc

    OK Sammy keep on spouting son, your doing a great job for championing a great episode! Loved it, fun, good pacing and just a bit silly! :) and the Doc seems to almost be standing back as he starts to think about whats going on more and more! grated cheese lolololol

  • May 7, 2011, 7:41 p.m. CST

    Sam Jacksons Merkin............Speaks the truth!

    by shibleybc

    love the dimensional rift twist. Doc is beginning to suspect more Great CGI Nice little stocking filler to keep us off the main pressies! Did i hear right that Captain Avery appears in a very early who ep? Not the greatest episode of Who ever but by far not the worst, a good light hearted romp through a genre fairly unfamiliar with Who, some arc bits to keep us sweet, some tidy dialogue, great central characters performances, had a really Who "feel" to it all and this went to "11" when they appeared on the spaceship, then it went all back to the future one (Amp wise) when the Doc threw the metal thru the window! Loved it and all who say no should, well do something horrible :P

  • May 7, 2011, 7:42 p.m. CST

    2legged (spoilers for those who haven't seen it)

    by frozen01

    The only reason Amy did well "as a pirate" was because everyone was so afraid of getting nicked by the blade that they basically just ran instead of actually fighting. It wasn't that she just picked up the sword and fought like an expert or anything; she just swung the damn thing around. And jumping the queue? I'll admit, people did seem mighty unconcerned with the pirates... no one seemed to try to stop them and just let her take them... but they stop Rory which is why he stuck around longer. I don't really see a problem with that, except that, again, why didn't they do the same with the others, especially the kid? and I'm gonna go with v'shael on the lump-in-your-throat thing. Sorry, but the only time I really had any sort of an emotional reaction during RTDs run was at the end of Forest of the Dead when River died, and during Human Nature/Family of Blood. And I'll give him the scene when Rose got trapped in the other dimension, but only because of Billie Piper's acting. And Eccleston's sign-off was great... but yeah, that's it ;) Notice these are all things that were not ruined by the cheesy attempts at sci-fi writing. :P

  • May 7, 2011, 7:49 p.m. CST


    by shibleybc

    Time for bed!

  • May 7, 2011, 7:52 p.m. CST

    Sammy and CBTML

    by frozen01

    Very good lists. I also didn't really care for the Silurian episodes. Wanted to, but they just didn't do it for me. Vincent and the Doctor would be pretty high up on my list, too :) In fact, that episode just might be my favorite ever! :) Eleventh Hour was very good, too, even thought the baddy was a little cheesy.

  • May 7, 2011, 8:13 p.m. CST

    Knew I was forgetting one thing

    by frozen01

    She wasn't an alien... she was an alien computer program. Big difference ;)

  • May 7, 2011, 8:20 p.m. CST

    Lousy episode

    by I am not a number

    I hate to say it, but this is one of worst Dr 11 episodes. It just felt like they were throwing a bunch of old tropes together with no real thought. Nothing seemed to come together, not even thematically - just like a bunch of random moments stitched together. The whole thing was lazy; it feels like I just blacked out for the last hour. The only decent part (apart from the moments hearkening back to the main season arc) was the Dr talking to the captain in the TARDIS. I'd rather rewatch VICTORY OF THE DALEKS (at least I liked the first third or so of that episode). Among other things, I hated how passive and out-of-character the Doctor was written in parts, especially needing Amy to save him at the start and needing Amy to save Rory. And Amy taking the time to put on pirate clothes before going to save the Doctor was unbelievably stupid -- almost as stupid as her swinging around and holding off the pirates. I agree with whomever said that the stories under Moffat are much cleverer than RTD (and far less embarrassing to watch), but somehow there seems to be some emotional connection that is missing.

  • May 7, 2011, 8:26 p.m. CST

    Lee Ross (Owen from Eastenders)


    Thought he did well ... but ... Was it just me or did he simply disappear during the episode?? ... The wife and I were convinced we had missed something or were going mad but I'm sure he just upped and vanished until the end? ...

  • May 7, 2011, 8:35 p.m. CST

    "there seems to be some emotional connection that is missing."


    There is, imo ... but that comes down to the new Doctor Moff has created. Hes zany, wonderful and fantastic to watch but emotion ain't his thing. It was one of Tennant's strong points and thats fresh in my memory. To me they need to pull back a bit on the crazy ... Siskokid said above "Yes, the Doc should be a bit bonkers (he is almost 1000 years old) but he should have a quiet authority-be a leader of men", sums it up for me.

  • and it confirms the little girl in the spacesuit, the orphanage, and regenerating at the end are one and the same person... just to clear up some confusion from last weeks episode

  • May 7, 2011, 8:45 p.m. CST

    What a boring episode

    by FrodoFraggins

    Let's hope it's the only clunker of the season.

  • May 7, 2011, 9:25 p.m. CST

    Warms my heart

    by MoffatBabies

    that people are still doing that "boing" thing after all this time. Boing. G'nite.

  • May 7, 2011, 9:26 p.m. CST

    The real Doctor and his best companion on right now.

    by shutupfanboy

    Actually more fun then tonight's Doctor Who. It was just an ok episode and kinda boring.

  • May 7, 2011, 9:31 p.m. CST

    The whole was less than the sum of the parts

    by Dreamfasting

    There were so many amazing little moments and performances to this episode, but they didn't really add up to an overall story. The episode seemed to be having trouble making up its mind on what story to tell - there were threads flying off in all directions and too much backtracking of exposition.

  • May 7, 2011, 10:54 p.m. CST

    Here is something for the fans...

    by Kelvington

    Doctor Who Meets Pirates Of The Caribbean!

  • May 7, 2011, 11:08 p.m. CST

    Spoilers. Huge, Perhaps. Only if I'm right, of course.

    by Perigee

    The thing is, none of this is happening. Not really. At least, not to Amy. For the second time, we see that peep hole; for the second time, opened from the "outside." Both times, a reassuring, clinical voice - each time, a figure in clinical white. You have two choices - the first is that for some reason, the peep hole, and the room beyond it is following Amy. The second is that Amy isn't actually going anywhere at all: the window is static, and she just believes she's moving. If it's moving, it's impossible - it's moving through time and space, in another dimension. A cloaked TARDIS with a peephole, parked three feet off Amy Pond's eyeline. The same height relative to when she's standing or laying down. You have to admit, its proximity to her thus far has been awfully consistent. The alternative - the logical alternative - is that Amy is going nowhere, is immobile, and that window is opening in the same place all the time because it's in the same place relative to her all the time. But then, that's just one of her - or one part of her. To say that this whole season is one big hallucination wouldn't be exactly true; it could have been, but then we'd be invalidating The Doctor and Rory, and that wouldn't be nice. Somehow, Amy - her consciousness - is like alternating current, 60hz, back and forth between two places. Pregnant/Not Pregnant/Pregnant/Not Pregnant...

  • May 8, 2011, 2:03 a.m. CST

    It was fun BUT...

    by penhapus

    poorly written -the words 'by Stephen Thompson' fill me with dread; he must know where the Moffat bodies are hidden... The dialogue was dreadful, the plotting a mess - disappearing pirates, and I mean literally whole characters going AWOL with no explanation - and as soon as the child got zapped you knew no-one had died. It was buried between the opener and what is being lined up as a heavy hitter - Neil Gaiman ahoy! - to cover up it's many many cracks.

  • May 8, 2011, 2:53 a.m. CST

    Gynaecological Dalek attachment.

    by Keith Maniac

    Exterminates all Candidiasis lurking near black holes.

  • Nice theory, but I am going with the following: Amy has been impregnated with some sort of Silent child which is the reason the Tardis keeps switching. The scan finds a Silent cell, then keeps scanning and forgets about it. I am sure that we will learn much more about the origins of the Silents as the series progresses. As for the Window lady, I agree that she sounded very clinical, especially tonight, but I hoping it is some sort of technology similar to Girl in the Fireplace rather than some sort of dream. While I don't mind an episode here or there being dream sequences the big arching story doing that is just plain annoying. I really hope they don't go in that direction.

  • May 8, 2011, 3:26 a.m. CST

    You Blind Fools! (SRELIOPS!)

    by veteran_of_mu

    And by that I mean the opposite of spoilers - things you should have noticed if you saw the episode, but you didn't because ... well, you're all blind fools. Still, if you haven't seen the episode, take that to mean SPOILERS BELOW!!! -------- Not all of you are fools. thedecoy and ginge_muppet noticed. But the rest of you really need to pay a little more attention ... because there were Silents on board that boat. Boatswain Dockery (Lee Ross) was forgotten. One moment he's there barracading the door. The next, poof, gone. The Doctor even gives a little speech about how something is staring at him that he just can't quite see ... The boatswain turns up again on the spaceship, safe and sound. And it's not possible for a prominent actor to just not notice that he's disappeared, nor for an editor, nor for that matter for Moff to go oops. Not at all possible. So while the boy is polishing the pendant and Amy and Rory were chatting with a Silent the Siren whisked off the Boatswain. What else happened then?

  • May 8, 2011, 3:29 a.m. CST

    it was alright

    by TinSpider

    Not the best Dr Who but by no means the worse. I enjoyed it more than the majority of most eps series 1-4. <br> The vanishing pirate I'm sure will be re-addressed. It's just too big a fuck up to slip through.

  • The lady with the patch is called Madame Kovarian. She exists in a different time line than the one Amy is in now. So she is there "looking in" Oh, and there's the small matter that Amy actually kills her. So, dreaming- not exisiting- sorry mate, good theory, but unfortunately not.

  • May 8, 2011, 3:37 a.m. CST

    penhapus - it was put in ep 3 place as a lightener from the last 2 weeks.

    by sam jacksons wig

    And as far as that goes then YES it worked a treat!!!

  • May 8, 2011, 3:37 a.m. CST

    caractacuspotts - I think you are right.

    by TinSpider

    I thought the Silents may be involved when I watched the prequel to it. I was thinking it this week but the phased alien ship was passed off as the 'something staring' at him. In the prequel clip (see it on the bbc DW site) the captain mentions that he 'feels an evil presence lurking in the shadows'

  • May 8, 2011, 3:44 a.m. CST

    hornorsilk- next weeks episode (spoilers)

    by sam jacksons wig

    As for the Time lords...... the Doc and co are summoned to a place "they have never been before" and meet Idris..... .....Idris is the Tardis made flesh..... .....the issue of the Time lords is that of residual energy from where they are and what "The House" turns out to be. And yes, this is where we get to see Tennants tardis. And I will leave you with two words...."Die Amy..."

  • May 8, 2011, 3:45 a.m. CST

    My 10 year old daughter said "I loved it, but it scared me..."

    by sam jacksons wig

    Moff and co- JOB DONE!!!!

  • May 8, 2011, 3:48 a.m. CST

    I'm sure it will be addressed...

    by penhapus

    and as part of the overriding arc it will be an 'ahh... clever!' moment, but as a stand alone episode it seems clumsy and will probably annoy people not watching ever second taking notes. The whole Doctor / no jacket Doctor thing from the last series was subtle, this was wasn't.

  • what I have truly done to deserve that "honour" escapes me.

  • May 8, 2011, 3:58 a.m. CST

    dammit Sam Jackson

    by TinSpider

    You need to write something a bit clearer like 'official spoiler' or something. Lots of people headline 'spoiler' when talking about theories they are convinced to be true, but yours was a proper 'FUCK! WHY DID I READ THAT' post. A proper, episode fucking spoiled post.

  • ...the Doc is about to change forever? Think about what is to come: Being cloned. His death. The battle of Demons Run and the Headless Monks. Truly interfering with time and space to the point of paradox. The River Song reveal. Amy's pregnancy and the revelations around that. James Corden showing up again, which is enough to send any fucker off the deep end (how God let that fat fucker pro-create is a mystery to me, he should have been born without testicles..) Meeting "an old friend with a new face" next week. The Cybermen. The Pandorica Alliance returning..... It would be enough to send anyone insane.

  • May 8, 2011, 4:05 a.m. CST

    tinspider - it said spoiler

    by penhapus

    Do we really have to grade the spoilers? 'oh, I'll read it if it's only a level 3 spoiler, but level 7? fuck that...'

  • We are all grown ups (most of us anyway) and it is up to us to choose to open a post or not. I apologise that you may have found the info too detailed, but mate, a SPOILER warning is designed as that.

  • May 8, 2011, 4:11 a.m. CST

    caractacuspotts- something staring at the Doc?? (spoilers)

    by sam jacksons wig

    Wasn't it established that it was the ship in the same place/alternate dimension? The Doc and co stood looking out of it's window at the very place the Doc was standing when he said the line. Don't think it is the Silence this time.

  • May 8, 2011, 4:13 a.m. CST

    There are dozens of posts in this thread that read 'spoiler'

    by TinSpider

    ... when in fact they are just wacky theories. I thought it was one of those and since all the posts are open in my browser and I was just reading one after the other so it was just there... How was I to know you were actually writing a spoiler for an episode that hasn't even aired yet?

  • May 8, 2011, 4:29 a.m. CST

    there is a logo or insigina on the ship the fancy...

    by emeraldboy

    or is it a symbol? it was red and looked like a sign for the occult/satanic i I did not and am not making this sign up.

  • May 8, 2011, 4:31 a.m. CST

    by TinSpider

    I just can't understand why you would want to know something as big as that before seeing the ep and then casually just chuck it out there for others to see. There is no distingushing your mega spoiler to other peoples nonsense. I'll leave it at that now. I can't be arsed anymore.

  • May 8, 2011, 4:35 a.m. CST

    That's what happens when you use "Spoiler" tags willy nilly.

    by V'Shael

    Some people stop taking them seriously.

  • May 8, 2011, 4:36 a.m. CST

    The symbol...

    by TinSpider

    was just a pentagram. Used to ward off demons and the like. There's one in the pub in 'american werewolf in london'

  • May 8, 2011, 4:37 a.m. CST

    v'shael - EXACTLY MY POINT!

    by TinSpider


  • May 8, 2011, 4:58 a.m. CST

    v'shael- every time I post here I DO NOT take spoilers willy nilly....

    by sam jacksons wig

    I put SPOILER warnings in all of my posts intended to warn others that info inside, either factual or theoretical, is exactly of that nature. I have been posting on these threads long enough for YOU to know that along with others. If people DO NOT WANT TO TAKE THEM SERIOUSLY then I cannot be held responsible for those individuals. If people wish to open them KNOWING in advance that it may contain SPOILERISH info then it is up to them. If individuals like tinspider wish to complain after the fact and after opening ALL posts on their browser in a thread pottentially filled with SPOILERS (and having looked at other threads they also include info on forthcoming eps titled as spoilers) then again it is their own issue. To attempt to put blame on others is unfair and completly poor. I have said enough on the subject now..... I will continue to put spoilers on my posts where others wont. If people want to read so e it. If they don't then again itt's their choice.

  • May 8, 2011, 5:02 a.m. CST

    next week...gaiman's epi

    by john

    that is the one that im looking forward to viewing

  • May 8, 2011, 5:08 a.m. CST

    to be fair...

    by TinSpider

    I don't think he meant you with the wily nilly comment. He meant all the others that put spoilers in there titles when there isn't actually any.

  • May 8, 2011, 5:39 a.m. CST

    "Ghost Train"

    by HornOrSilk

    We must remember, this season has been called a "Ghost Train." What if -- Amy is dying -- and someone is trying to save her, all the while she is remembering the events which lead to her death?

  • May 8, 2011, 5:50 a.m. CST

    by hornorsilk

    by emeraldboy

    yep i agree with you.... my life in your hands amelia pond.... but the game changer will turn out to be the opposite.... amelia ponds life is in the hands of the dr..... and that is where things will end...

  • May 8, 2011, 6:36 a.m. CST



    I just read "Write For Doctor Who" on the BBC website and clicked on it, expecting some sort of cool competition where you can submit a script... only to discover that its open only for children. I might enter it anyway and pretend I'm twelve years old.

  • Moff has already confirmed that this seasons MAIN story arc is the Amy pregnancy and what ramifications it will have over the time arc between series 5 and 6. The silence is an off shoot of that; Amy bringing it forth in the form of twins. The lady with the eye patch exists in another time line, and one would presume that it is at the point Amy gives birth. That Amy will die as a result just seems too convoluted and unecessary..although I am loving the idea!!! A dying Pond with all of time and space trapped within her mind, ableto create and destroy at a whim..... would be a great arc!

  • May 8, 2011, 7:01 a.m. CST

    see, not that difficult is it?

    by TinSpider

  • May 8, 2011, 7:12 a.m. CST

    Couple of little things

    by Majereuk

    The whole 'confused medical program' plot point that people have been finding familiar- it's from Who. The Tennant episode where the alien medical nanotech was rebuilding people with gas mask faces- 'Are you my Mummy?' I guessed that might be it pretty early, but thought I was wrong because they'd already done it :) As for pirates flying a spaceship, of course it's plausible. Bear in mind that user interface tech is constantly improving to be more and more user-friendly. The LCARS system in TNG is meant to dynamically reconfigure itself to make it easy to do what the user is trying to do. Tech a millenia or so in advance of ours could easily be designed to be usuable by any fool, no matter how ingenious. Of course, that leaves aside any possible time-lapse, knowledge implant tech ('I know interstellar navigation!') etc. Go with it.

  • May 8, 2011, 7:15 a.m. CST

    yeah whatever..

    by TinSpider

    if it takes a bit of sarcasm to filter out your real spoilers to the other shit then go for it.

  • At the start of DWC, but, like someone said, you could always pretend to be a kid.

  • May 8, 2011, 7:28 a.m. CST



    ...just through reading your postings!-no offence intended! Regarding the state of WHO, NOTHING before or after has surpassed the family of blood 2 parter/Blink stories. This seasons arc feels too much to the fore, no sublety present. Say what you want about RTD but the 'Badwolf' arc was much better done. I assume there are things that happened from the beginning of the impossible astronaut (Docs death) that may not be resolved until when? Oct/Nov? Not sure this is the way the programme should be going. I do wonder if Moffatt had had the reigns in 2005 before RTD, and given us his convoluted, time-bending interepretation then, would we still have a primetime WHO now? I'm not a Moff hater-he's a great writer but maybe not a great showrunner. There just a bit of a 'lets throw everything in' feel, too many strands that are going to tied up unsatisfactorily (Pandorica Opens anyone?-yes Centurion Rory is on his way back). Just wish Moff would put some of that great storytelling he can do (just watched 1st Sherlock again) back to WHO........

  • May 8, 2011, 7:36 a.m. CST


    by frozen01

    That was a pentacle. Definitely NOT SATANIC, though it does have some "occult" ties, if you must use that term.

  • May 8, 2011, 7:47 a.m. CST


    by frozen01

    Please keep in mind that this "DocBack" thing has been going on for a long time now. There are people of all stripes here, and as a result there are certain things that have been agreed upon by the community as a courtesy to others. Posting "spoilers" in any post that contains actual spoilers AND fanboy guesses (sometimes there is a very fine line between the two) was one of those things. Sammy was just following that community "rule" put in place to allow both people who wish to discuss spoilers and speculation, and people who do not, to enjoy the boards. I am one of the people who does not wish to read any spoilers or fanboy guessing whatsoever (because, dammit, sometimes they're RIGHT), and I manage just fine. But perhaps we do need a new label... "speculation", maybe?... for those who want to partake in the guessing game but do not want ACTUAL spoilers. Would that work for you?

  • May 8, 2011, 7:47 a.m. CST

    sam jacksons wig (spoiler speculation)

    by HornOrSilk

    Sam, Well, I am thinking. If the kid in the opening was Amy's, we must remember - it is an orphan! And we have already seen that with Donna Noble, when there is a crossover going on between Time Lord and human, the human suffers and dies. I am thinking perhaps Amy dies in episode 7 giving birth, and Rory, so upset at the Doctor, joins in with the season's "bad."Of course this is not to say Amy won't come back -- if the Time Lords, in any sense of the word, come back, maybe he is going to have to work with them to find a solution with Amy. And this is what the Eye Patch woman is all about. I'm also thinking -- the Panordica Alliance, we are told will return this season; I am thinking now the return might be about how it originated in the first place, how these races spread out across time and space were able to get together to do what they did. I think Rory might turn out to be in the center of it all. Or the Doctor, himself!

  • May 8, 2011, 7:56 a.m. CST

    But one thing... *spoilers*

    by HornOrSilk

    this season is a "Ghost Train" according to Moffat. "By Lake Silencio, on the Plain Of Sighs, a story will begin and end. A good man is going to die, an impossible life wlll begin, and our heroes will set out on the long road to the deadliest secret in the universe - and when it stares you in the face, you might just discover you’ve known about it all along." These clues should tell us something. The kid certainly is Amy's child. "An impossible life will begin." That it is impossible is confirmed by the TARDIS's pregnancy/no pregnancy status for Amy (which I think still connects to the creation of Gallifreyan society). -- Now, back to Ghost Train. What could it mean? There are some obvious meanings which probably are the case, and will not discuss them. However, some not-so-obvious ones might be the real meaning, like this: Ghost train, alternative name for a parliamentary train, a service run rarely to maintain the legal fiction that a station or line remains open And then there is this, the Ghost Train play! The Ghost Train is a British play, written in 1923 by Arnold Ridley, who much later played Private Godfrey in Dad's Army. The plot revolves around a party of passengers who find themselves stranded in the waiting room of an isolated station. The station master tries to get them to leave citing the local legend of a ghost train that dooms all who see it to death. It is revealed later in the plot that the train is in fact smuggling arms and the story has been concocted to frighten away strangers. The play was very unusual for its time in using elaborate special-effects to simulate a train running through the station, such as garden-rollers running over wooden laths, thunder sheets, etc.

  • May 8, 2011, 7:57 a.m. CST

    Thanks Frozen

    by TinSpider

    ...that's all I ask. A way to filter out proper spoilers from the guesses.

  • May 8, 2011, 8 a.m. CST

    A bit of fun

    by Azby

    but nothing special. The atmosphere elevated it over VOTD for me though in terms of bad Matt Smith eps. It was full of stupid moments though (Rory's last minute survial made me wnt to punch the screen). One negative: Lily Cole was too luminous to find attractive.

  • May 8, 2011, 8:05 a.m. CST


    by frozen01

    I both agree AND disagree with your statement about Moffat's arcs. The part where I agree: Moffat does seem to have this in-your-face "this is the story arc" thing going on. The crack in the wall, the Silence, the Doctor's death, etc. Unlike RTD's "bad wolf" arc, which was very subtle until the big reveal (and I loved that!) no one could miss this. The part where I disagree: There is a second layer that is more subtle. Few of us caught the timey-wimey-ness in the last series (the Doctor's coat, for example)... I only did so with help :) I'm guessing there will be something similar going on this year. And that's a very interesting thought... what would have happened if Moffat had been the showrunner in 2005? Well, I think he definitely would have toned it down. The man's not stupid, and this isn't his first TV show. I think he's taking bigger risks because of the foundation that RTD laid; I don't think he would have approached it the same way if that had been his responsibility instead. I loved the Family of Blood two-parter, and Blink was good, too (though I often feel it's given too much praise), but for me, Silence in the Library/Forest of the Dead is better, especially after seeing more of River Song. Her story is a very heartbreaking one, and I love that she can take the romantic focus of the Doctor, so we don't have the Rose relationship or the Martha whining. Plus, the Vashta Nerada were just cool :)

  • May 8, 2011, 8:09 a.m. CST

    Oh and Amy

    by Azby

    DID look hot as a pirate.

  • May 8, 2011, 8:10 a.m. CST

    Well, would you look at that :)

    by frozen01

    We're #1! :) Reminds me of the good ol' days ;) Wonder where gotilk has gone off to? Oh, and that reminds me! I'm supposed to "prepare" you all for our resident Irish-Canadian's return ;) Pogue watched CotBS last night and reports that he liked it (good man!) and will be joining us for discussions shortly :)

  • May 8, 2011, 8:12 a.m. CST


    by frozen01

    Uh huh... and the sky is blue and grass is green ;) Amy would look hot in anything, hun :P

  • May 8, 2011, 8:14 a.m. CST

    I don't watch DWC, axcel1


    I have much more important things to do with my time. Like watching next week's trailer over and over, or posting here.

  • May 8, 2011, 8:15 a.m. CST

    I thought it was a decent enough stand alone...

    by Rebel Scumb

    Certainly not the best episode, but sometimes its good to have 1 or 2 that are pretty undemanding. Sure a lot of it was hoaky, but to me, even the greatest episodes of WHO are pretty ridiculous and don't make any sense under even a little scrutiny, isn't that part of the shows charm?!

  • May 8, 2011, 8:17 a.m. CST

    Rebel - precisely :)

    by frozen01

  • May 8, 2011, 8:57 a.m. CST

    Lee Ross' Boatswain (DWC SPOILERS)

    by TheFerretLives

    I don't think there's anything extra important about this character's disappearance I just think it was badly handled. If you watched DWC it showed that the producer cut that scene down, I'm not sure why but he seemed to think that just showing his being cut was enough to suggest he was going to go next. I could be wrong and they might have been taken off something that ties in with the arc but what could this be? We see him later as if he'd been taken to the ship like everyone else. Another thing about DWC I noticed was during a discussion between the producer and some other guys they were talking about something in the episode being the first thing in a museum? They said something like, "are we seeing the first (didn't hear what word they used) in the (something) museum?" They might just be talking about the museum in the Angel two-parter or an actual doctor who museum but the way they said it sounded like they were referring to something coming up in the series? F

  • May 8, 2011, 9:09 a.m. CST

    Spoiler categories?

    by veteran_of_mu

    Spoiler category examples: Spoiler.Maybe: Idris might be the Tardis personified. Spoiler.Minor: The original name of Episode 4 was "Bigger On The Inside". Spoiler.Mega: River is Amy's baby. Spoiler.Reliops: A pirate was forgotten.

  • May 8, 2011, 9:13 a.m. CST

    Tardis Personified?

    by TheFerretLives

    Why is this idea bandied around? Sounds like an awful idea to me, just saying. F

  • May 8, 2011, 9:24 a.m. CST

    Theories moving ahead. Spoilers.

    by shutupfanboy

    Taking in account some of the spoilers. I am going to say that Amy doesn't die in pregnancy since we see her with the baby in the picture. What I think happens is that Amy and Rory get shoved into a parallel world ala Rose since the Cybermen are coming back at the mid-season. If its going to be twine, I see one being taken by the Silence and the other to a safe place. Until Elis untimely death, I was going say the child would have been placed in the Sara Jane Adventures since Sara would have been the perfect person to train a future Time Lord. Now, that she is no longer with us, I think they will have the Doctor go back to be the children's Doctor. If it is just one child, the child will taken by the Silence as we have seen. Then return to the Doctor near the end of the second part of the season to be a new companion who will probably be a teenager.

  • May 8, 2011, 9:28 a.m. CST

    Timelords of the Caribbean

    by MoffatBabies

    That was THE BEST!!! Brilliant, Kelvington! Someone hire this man to edit film and TV. Stat! Really good job, and FAST.

  • Yes, it is. But yesterday just didn't feel right at all ... As I said previously The Dr came across as an almost useless court jester and the whole thing just stumbled along to an obvious conclusion. On form this is the best damn show on TV and I can't help but feel utterly frustrated when standards drop as low as this.

  • I don't think either is bad, but I've seen a lot of people in this thread putting them at the top of their 'best of the 11th doctor' lists, I was just curious as to why. And I don't mean that in a trolling for trouble sort of way, I'm just genuinely curious about alternate perspectives. While I don't consider either episode bad, I would probably put them both near the bottom of my list of 11th Doctor episodes. But then I consider 'the beast below' one of the best of series 5. And to be fair, I'm generally more partial to future/outerspace episodes, and generally feel that the weirder a Dr. Who story is, the better. So I really appreciate how bizarre (especially on a visual level) the Beast Below was. Where as present day earth episodes are often my least favorite (though certainly there are exceptions like Blink). Its conflicting for me when I watch the older series, because I greatly prefer Jon Pertwee to Tom Baker, but I prefer the Tom Baker stories because so many of them were weird future/space episodes (The Key to Time season was especially good for those) where as Pertwee was earthbound for so much of his run.

  • May 8, 2011, 9:46 a.m. CST

    rebel scumb


    I put 'The 11th Hour' top of my list for the 11th Doctor because of its energy, pace and genuine moments of pure quality. The stuff with young Amy was magical and at the end we had our new Doctor standing strong defending the planet like he always does. It was the moment Smith punched me in the face and told me everything would be ok with him in charge.

  • May 8, 2011, 10:01 a.m. CST


    by frozen01

    I put Eleventh Hour close to the top of my list of ALL new Who episodes for about the same reasons as ginge. The character interactions were top notch, and it was a stellar introduction to both a new Doctor and a new companion (two, actually). It was fun and when the Doctor confronted the Atraxi... wow :) Heart-swelling moment, there ;) That said, I don't put Amy's Choice as high up on my list as others have. I didn't particularly care for the alien, and the "alternate life" thing was too obviously fake, but I did think the predicament and the Dream Lord especially were awesome :) The casting for that episode was, honestly, the best part. The Beast Below has really grown on me. There was something about the execution... and I can't quite put my finger on it... that kept it from being a really great episode, but I don't quite hate it as much as I did the first time I saw it. I did enjoy the premise of the UK being "moved" onto a spaceship, but the star whale thing was a bit much.

  • May 8, 2011, 10:09 a.m. CST

    "The Beast Below has really grown on me"


    Likewise ... Didn't care for it when it first aired but watching it back recently I found it far more enjoyable.

  • May 8, 2011, 10:13 a.m. CST

    The Beast Below

    by TheFerretLives

    I too rate the Beast Below higher than others, maybe it would be in the middle of my list rather than the top though. I think it was, similar to criticisms of the recent shows, too much crammed into 45 minutes. There were lots of good ideas, I didn't mind the space whale and the moral conundrum it posed, it might have had more of an emotional impact if giving more space to breathe (no pun intended). The smilers, the environment, Queen Liz all needed a two-parter to stretch themselves over. Whereas The Hungry Earth should've been a single episode, that really felt stretched out to me and was a waste of an extra episode to be honest. Even if Beast Below wasn't made into a two-parter then we could've got an extra story, one that maybe didn't make the cut? I wonder how many episodes don't make the cut but on hindsight could've been good? Will we ever find out? I have a book on lost scripts for Star Trek that is fascinating and although some get modified and turn up later (The Child from ST:TNG was originally made for the aborted 70s series with Ulhura as the mother, as was Devils Dues and the pilot episode was made into the Motion Picture) some are lost forever and given a different script editor and show runner could have very easily been filmed. Wonder if we'll ever find out about lost Who episodes? F

  • May 8, 2011, 10:15 a.m. CST


    by Rebel Scumb

    I do agree that as first episodes go, Smith came out of the premiere fully formed and brimming with confidence. While I really liked Tennants run, it took him a good 5-6 episodes to find 'his doctor' and wasn't really until series 3 where he came into his own, and didn't feel like Eccelstons replacement. Again, its not that I don't like the 11th hour, I agree that the young Amy stuff works especially well. But then there aren't really any episodes of 'new who' I consider "bad", although some are pretty weak like 'fear her', but even that had some neat ideas in it, like the living drawings. I think for me what stops 11th hour from being in the 'best of' category for me is when they leave Amy's house and go into town. I kind of wish the whole thing had been stuck in the house, where there was so much atmosphere and character. A good bottle show in the vein of midnight. Where as the stuff after that at the hospital and town square, while not bad, just feels like many an episode we've already seen. I do think 11th hour plays even better though after the 5th series finale since there are so many little clues that payoff well.

  • May 8, 2011, 10:17 a.m. CST

    Why all the space whale hate?

    by MoffatBabies

    Just kidding. Have a great day everyone.

  • May 8, 2011, 10:23 a.m. CST

    The Beast Below...

    by Rebel Scumb

    I think part of it for me is, as someone relatively new to watching Dr. Who (I started watching about 3-4 years ago, but started with the eccelston stuff and went all the way through, I've also gone back and watched a large chunk of the classic era stuff). Its a show I've always been aware of, as any Canadian kid of the 80s can probably atest, it was the show on after the popular kids program 'today's special' each night on TVO, and the theme song usually heralded my bedtime when I was younger. Any time I'd caught part of classic episodes growing up, they were always really strange outerspace ones, so I was under the impression for the longest time that all episodes of Dr. Who were like robots of death, the pirate planet, keeper of traken, etc. So episodes like The Beast Below always give me a special thrill.

  • May 8, 2011, 10:24 a.m. CST

    yes diox...

    by Rebel Scumb

    In that its a complete work of fiction.

  • May 8, 2011, 10:31 a.m. CST


    by MoffatBabies

    Hey I'm as sad as you are over SGU's cancellation. Set the WhoHate aside and join in on the fun you KNOW you want to be a part of here. It is brilliant, you know it. And the two are apples and oranges.

  • May 8, 2011, 10:36 a.m. CST

    moffatbabies is right

    by Rebel Scumb

    Plus I've never understood the human need to pit one show against another. One of the best things is that we can enjoy as many different stories (of any media) as we want. Plus with SGU being gone after tomorrow(which saddens me as well) Dr. Who is now the only Space adventure show left on TV... but at least its one that is about as cancellation proof as any series can be. I enjoyed the grounded gritty approach that SG:U took, and I enjoy Dr. Who for its zany bizarre almost dreamlike quality, where imagination is free to run wild. where 'wibbly wobbly, timey wimey' is about the only scientific justification you need for anything.

  • May 8, 2011, 10:47 a.m. CST

    Rebel - snap ;)

    by frozen01

  • May 8, 2011, 10:56 a.m. CST

    Doctor's Wife: Spoilers I guess

    by JPKk

    Won't go into details for those that didn't catch it, just my impressions. Much creepier than the last episode, but more whimsical. Beautiful use of camera and special effects on a limited budget. I am sure the kids peeked from behind the sofa when they entered the Forest of Yesterday's Shadows. I have no idea how they created the Clock-Face Bridge. Even if it is a groaner, "She who will not be tamed" must be River, not Amy. The prequel to The Pavilion of Cold Stars with Sir. John A. Macdonald and Louis Riel was a surprise. Did anyone have trouble with the reception? Sometimes the audio/video would get garbled with another station was re-playing the Black Spot episode.

  • May 8, 2011, 11:04 a.m. CST

    Rebel Scumb


    RE: "Amy's Choice" For me, it was most certainly one of the best episodes of the previous season. There was so much to love in the episode from the casting (Toby Williams was just fantastic), the dialogue (The Dream Master's awful puns and goading of The Doctor, the "What happens if you die in reality?" scene, Amy's angry "What use are you?" etc) and the idea itself (as I said earlier in this thread, I'm a big fan of alternate reality episodes). More than that, it was an episode with genuine heart. It had a lot of charm and managed to successfully go from comedy through to drama. The monsters themselves weren't especially brilliant but the threat of dying in one reality seemed real. What I especially liked about it is that it came at such a pivotal moment in the season. Amy had been trying to decide between the two men in her life and finally made her decision only to lose him in a later story. Lastly, it completely works as a standalone episode. There were quite a few episodes last season (such as THE BEAST BELOW and VOTD) which felt, to me, like they could have benefited from more screen time. I never felt that at all with AMY'S CHOICE. Christian Bale would trash nine out of ten of its lights.

  • May 8, 2011, 11:04 a.m. CST


    by 2LeggedFreak

    WHAT!!!! WHAT!!!! Is this a wind up ?

  • "The Trial of a Time Lord" was not originally planned for Colin Baker's last season as the Doctor. "The Mysterious Planet, Mindwarp, Terror of the Vervoids" were to be stand-alone stories with three others, "The Nightmare Fair, The Ultimate Evil, and Mission to Magnus. The last three would have been shown before the ones that were made. All three are in book form, the last one is also in audio.

  • May 8, 2011, 11:07 a.m. CST

    In fact...


    If I wanted to get someone into the show using an Eleventh Doctor episode and "The Eleventh Hour" wasn't available, it would most certainly be "Amy's Choice". That episode contained everything I love about the show and would explain the tone perfectly to anyone who has never seen an episode.

  • May 8, 2011, 11:10 a.m. CST

    So Who's The Lady With The Eye Patch Behind the Panel?

    by Real Deal

    The one that Amy keeps seeing in places where there isn't a panel?

  • May 8, 2011, 11:16 a.m. CST

    Rory "dying" - might have some impact if not been done TWICE already

    by Steve Rogers

    Seriously, Rory is like a Star Trek redshirt at this point. Every time we need a bit of quick pathos, kill off/almost kill off Rory. I now actually don't care if the character lives or dies.

  • May 8, 2011, 11:17 a.m. CST

    Wind-up Clock ?

    by JPKk

    Are you referring to Moebius pocket watch ? I wonder what it does too. I thought the Black Spot was excellent. it reminded me of a Tom Baker episode. Light hearted adventure and creepy at the same time. Did you have any trouble with your reception ? Strange stuff on Canadian Space channel.

  • May 8, 2011, 11:19 a.m. CST

    does anyone hear think that moffat made a mistake...

    by emeraldboy

    by making rory a full and proper character...and by attempting to kill him off moffat is realizing this.

  • It was called "The Masters of Luxor", also in book form and audio drama. And, those are the ones I knew about, but, as I look (google), I find there are a lot of stories planned for each Doctor, but, never made for one reason or another.

  • I hope it never happens.

  • May 8, 2011, 11:43 a.m. CST

    "does anyone hear think that moffat made a mistake..."


    Personally I wish Amy was travelling with the Dr on her own ... but thats just me.

  • May 8, 2011, 11:53 a.m. CST



    No, and no.

  • May 8, 2011, 11:59 a.m. CST


    by TheFerretLives

    Well doh me I forgot about those 6th Doctor lost episodes, they're released on Audio Book now. I guess I was mainly referring to NuWho. F

  • May 8, 2011, 12:05 p.m. CST


    by Rebel Scumb

    Thats a good way of summing it up. I did really like Toby Jones and hope we see more of him. Another thing about Amy's choice was it was the first time I really cared about the Amy/Rory relationship. While I enjoy both actors, it took a long time for a plausible chemistry to develop between them, so the early episodes of series 5 make the relationship between them seem a bit hard to swallow. I think they've mostly overcome that now, although I do agree with everyone else that they need to stop killing Rory off.

  • May 8, 2011, 12:08 p.m. CST

    i like rory as a character...

    by emeraldboy

    amy is cute as a button but she has annoying mannerisms. most annoying of which in season 5 was being smarter than the dr. and that twitcthing thing she did.

  • May 8, 2011, 12:08 p.m. CST

    (LOST EPS) Genesis Of The Daleks

    by TheFerretLives

    I was watching a documentary dvd extra on Genesis of the Daleks and the script editors at the time that was made received a completely different script from Terry Nation which they deemed to close to Planet of the Daleks so they got him to redo the script and gave him the idea of exploring the Daleks' origins. So I guess this would probably make it a "lost" script. Out of the lost season of 6th Doctor which one is the story where they're on a world that is like medieval europe and there's a minotaur or pagan-type animal monster? F

  • May 8, 2011, 12:18 p.m. CST

    Rory is a fine addition.

    by shutupfanboy

    Its nice to see an actual couple on the show that has nothing to do with the Doctor. We have had enough of that with Rose, Martha and almost every female companion who wasn't a relative or not named Donna. I just wish they would resolve the Amy/Doctor stuff, but I think they did with Amy's choice, it was a mistake to even hint at in this season's two parter. Plus, I like the average Joe character.

  • We all know, right, that various Doctor Who audio adventures have been done over the years, and Virgin New Adventure books (which are now out of print) and BBC books and so on. And Doctor Who fans tend to be fairly technologically friendly like most scifi fans. So why is there such a dearth of torrented material online? I ask just out of curiosity. Is it a quirky British thing, that one shouldn't pirate? Did UK fans lack the bandwidth for serious forays into piracy? Or is material swapped in pub-meets and Doctor Who fan clubs, and not on the internet at all? I genuinely would like to know. I also thought that maybe it was because the books/audios were non canonical and hence not too popular... But I'd rather not believe that. I bought every Virgin New Adventure book going, and I'd hate to think I was alone in thinking they were excellent.

  • May 8, 2011, 12:20 p.m. CST

    I'd love for them to do an episode...

    by Rebel Scumb

    Like that ST:DS9 episode where the ds9 crew went back in time into the original series with the tribble episode. And the episode was shot to look like an OS episode. That was done extremely well, the integration of new and old was done seamlessly. It would be great to have an episode where the 11th doctor and amy/rory go back into a pertwee or baker episode, and have the interiors all shot on analog video, and the exteriors shot on 16mm film.

  • May 8, 2011, 12:24 p.m. CST

    Donna & Martha are tied as best companions for me.

    by Rebel Scumb

    Not counting Sarah Jane of course on the classic shows. I don't hate Amy the way a lot of people seem to, but if I were to be honest with myself, I would probably not like her that much if she didn't look the way she does (I adore redheads). Although the fact that Amy is a bit mentally unbalanced does make her fun and quirky. But its definitely the packaging and not the content overall that I like about her, and I think that has more to do with the writing then Karen Gillan's acting.

  • May 8, 2011, 12:31 p.m. CST

    Sarah Jane is always going to be the gold standard for companions.

    by shutupfanboy

    Even Barrow patterned Capt. Jack after her energy. Its pretty much Sara and everyone else. I would actually rank it for the new ones as Donna, Jack, , Amy&Rory, Rose, Martha and River. If they keep Everett on, he will be at the top.

  • May 8, 2011, 12:34 p.m. CST

    major series spoliers ahead..beware!

    by Candy ass monkey suit

    hornorsilk - Amy is in Ep 8 as ive seen the pictures of the ep being filmed on location, someone else mentioned the doctor being cloned, from what i've heard this indeed is true, to what degree and how it plays out i don't know but i believe the doc does get cloned later on in the run, my guess is that the dr dying ties in with that somehow.

  • May 8, 2011, 12:36 p.m. CST

    I loved Amy from the moment she packed her Teddy Bear.

    by V'Shael

    I don't understand why people don't like the character at all. But then, I never understood why people liked that buck toothed chav either.

  • I agree with V'Shael that the plotting really let the story down. I didn't have that much of a problem, though, with them quickly smashing glass while running the risk of pricking themselves. <br> <br> My biggest problem was that when the Doctor, Amy and the Captain pricked themselves to show up on the spaceship, all 3 of them by all rights should have ended up on tables unconscious like Rory and the rest. If the emergency medical system is smart enough to realize that they don't need fixing, it should be smart enough to not haul them over in the first place. If they were just out of room in the Sick Bay, again, why take people that you can't treat? That part also makes the contrived "it could grab everyone in the world if it gets loose of here" bit less dramatic. Ooooh, it's going to grab everyone, one person at a time? Then dump them there and let them wander around the ship, indiscriminately flipping switches and pushing buttons? Naah, I don't think the problem's going to be having everyone in the world disappear, it's having the ship blow up or undergo emergency decompression. <br> <br> I'd say that this is the worst of the Matt Smith episodes. It's easier to handwave away the plotholes in Victory of the Daleks (Spitfires were already being modified to have the weapons/ Doctor going back in his personal history helps set up the antigrav equipment/pick an excuse). The sheer ridiculous coolness of Spitfires in space attacking Dalek ships makes it easier to overlook the plotholes there. Here, not so much. Are we to believe that there were Silents on the spaceship who just happen to take both Amy AND the Doctor out of the medical bed they should have shown up in? And then just leave them on the deck of the spaceship instead of taking them somewhere else where they could be better handled? Rubbish.

  • May 8, 2011, 1 p.m. CST

    @doctortom - You're right, of course.

    by V'Shael

    But I don't want to list all of the many plotholes. (There were more than either of us have listed) Either the plotting matters to you as a viewer, or it doesn't. And I think it's been established, that if it matters to you, then this was a really shit episode.

  • May 8, 2011, 1:04 p.m. CST


    by frozen01

    Oh, goodness, if they kept Canton on that would make my little American fangirl heart scream with joy :)

  • May 8, 2011, 1:08 p.m. CST

    Ok, theferretlives, how about this???????????????????????

    by axcel1

    In the mid-90s, when they were planning for a US version of Doctor Who, they originally were going reboot the series and rewrite old stories to fit into the modern series. There was a "writers' bible", but, later, the whole idea was thrown out and then, we got the 1996 movie.

  • May 8, 2011, 1:10 p.m. CST

    candy ass

    by frozen01

    I kind of had that same thought... when the Doctor died, and Amy mentioned something about him being a clone or a duplicate, I thought oooooooh dear, foreshadowing? *LOL*

  • May 8, 2011, 1:21 p.m. CST


    by 2LeggedFreak


  • Mark Sheppard's Canton would be a great campanion for the Doctor, this Doctor's version of Captain Jack Harkness.

  • May 8, 2011, 1:45 p.m. CST

    Jo Grant pic

    by TheFerretLives

    I wonder how long the photographer and crew waited after she'd gone before going over and sniffing the plunger? F

  • May 8, 2011, 1:50 p.m. CST

    "Bleeding Cool" Spoilers

    by JPKk

    There is a comment about the doctor's tie changing colours and Amy's fingernails. Also available post: Introduction, Trailer And Clips For Neil Gaiman’s Episode Of Doctor Who

  • May 8, 2011, 1:59 p.m. CST

    So I'm Guessing All Of You Fans That Know Everything....

    by Real Deal

    Don't have any idea about the lady with the eye patch behind the panel either? Did you even notice her? She was in Day of The Moon as well.

  • May 8, 2011, 2:07 p.m. CST

    @Real Deal - Yeah, of course we saw her.

    by V'Shael

    And yes, some of us do know what that's about. But we aren't spoiling it for people here, because it's NOT that interesting. It's BIG, but the groundwork hasn't been laid yet to make any reader who reads spoilers actually feel the impact of the spoiler.

  • May 8, 2011, 2:08 p.m. CST

    Told ya ...ya cocklescruggers

    by 2LeggedFreak

    Keep watching the bow ties ...aaargh aaargh

  • May 8, 2011, 2:10 p.m. CST

    Compare Dr. Who to Fringe - Synchronicity - Spoilers

    by JPKk

    Fringe plots seems to be doing a timey-whimey with with the Doctors. A weird coincidence or synchronicity. Pandorica Peter must go into the Machine of the ancients to fix the bleeds between the universes. He experiences an alternative future and returns to the present where he re-shapes reality to allow the doubles to work together. He acquires a god like view of reality (Dr. Donna) and then ceases to exist and no one remembers him ever existing (cliff-hanger). The Machine and the Ancients are from alternative future. They go back in time to send message of the Machine and Peter & Olivia to provide Peter with a way to change history. Preggy Red Olivia becomes pregnant by Peter. Her term is accelerated because the baby has special potential. Furneral Future Blond Olivia is married to Peter with no children, but she has special powers. She is killed. Her body is put on row-boat and is set on fire as it floats on to lake.

  • I can't wait...

  • May 8, 2011, 2:18 p.m. CST

    Think Rory is great right now personally

    by alexander

  • May 8, 2011, 2:18 p.m. CST

    Spoiler-y, question-y things

    by timesfool

    These questions keep coming up: ** Why does Rory 'remember' being an Auton? The Auton was NOT Rory, he was a duplicate Rory. Yet, the duplicate had Rory's memories, then vice versa. The Doctor pointedly asked Rory if he remembered being the duplicate; was he baiting him? There's been enough sloppy writing around that I wouldn't be surprised if this is glossed over, but who knows? Sloppy writing implied by the fact that Rory was 'treated' by the Siren, responded to CPR, seems to be human. ** Its been mentioned before as well, but the Doc's personality does seem a bit off. He doesn't mind River killing the Silence? He flirts with her, then doesn't 'remember' kissing her before? Confusing persona, and could be explained through wonky timelines, but there's quite a bit of forgetting then remembering going on, like the Doctor "suggesting" himself to little Amelia Pond's unconscious so she'll remember to "bring him back." And the Doc not knowing CPR or doing ANYTHING to help Rory is a bit weird, too. This Doctor is subtle, but he is still different. ** In the Time of Angels, Amy had something in her eye, an Angel, in fact. Does the woman with the eyepatch serve a similar function? Did the Silence plant a scenario in Amy's head? Is the reason her pregnancy is indeterminate is due to Amy being in and out of reality? Here and not here? A child that could be, but whose fate is still up in the air? ** Is the space suit a prison? If so, did the Silence let the girl go in exchange for Amy? Which came first? Chicken and the egg scenario. Kind of implies the girl has nothing to do with Amy. If she has something to do with River, it is vague at best. There is nothing that pins us to any clue as to who the little girl is. ** Parallel universes seems to be something for this season, just at the alien ship was parked within the same space as the Fancy, implying dreams within dreams and reflective surfaces, implying that we're going through the looking glass here, in Alice in Wonderland territory where everything is reversed in riddles. ** What's so special about Amy? She is singled out for an awful lot of attention. Figure that out, the rest might make some sense. ** Did the universe really re-boot? The Doc allow himself to be killed implies, to me, that he is trying to correct something. ** Is the 'door in Rory's head' reminds me of Reinette in The Girl in the Fireplace. ** 'You're way out of time.' Odd wording off that phrase, You're out of time. Is the Doctor implying something? ** What is the promise River has to live up to? Becoming so bad-ass the Daleks are afraid of her? Still not getting that yet. ** Why is it alien abduction stories involve impregnations, kind of trite if that's a direction they're heading in. Really hope it's better than that. A thought about fairy tales and Neil Gaiman, a master of them. If you read his 'Instructions' you might find some interesting parallels to what Moffatt has been doing with Doctor Who and might find something interesting in the name Idris. It is not a woman's name. It is the name of a Welsh giant King whose throne was carved from the rock of Cadair Idris on Mount Snowdonia. Spending a night there could inspire poetic genius or mete out death and madness. And in the preview for The Doctor's Wife, the Doctor clearly calls 'House' 'She.' "It's House. She wants the Tardis." The casting on this with Michael Sheen as 'House' and Suranna Jones as "Idris' might be misleading.

  • May 8, 2011, 2:23 p.m. CST

    Spoiler-y, question-y again sorry

    by timesfool

    I think we're dealing with a parallel reality, a parallel universe, post-the cracks and the re-boot. We are way out of time, out of our own time and things are wrong which is why the Doctor has no problem with changing rather important things (we didn't, after all, see a Silence on our TV sets in 1969). Might also explain why he doesn't mind River killing anyone. If we really are through some looking glass, how do we get back?

  • May 8, 2011, 2:27 p.m. CST

    @Timesfool - The Doc and River kissing

    by V'Shael

    is not a problem. It's perfectly clear and explained in the episode. The rest of your comments and theories and questions...well.

  • May 8, 2011, 2:28 p.m. CST

    Watching the bow-ties, finger-nails and Tardis scanner.

    by V'Shael

    Okay, I'm prepared to admit I may be wrong on this one. I think that, despite the show being a poorly plotted one, I might have to rewatch and look at these things.

  • May 8, 2011, 2:35 p.m. CST


    by frozen01

    *LOL* Yeah, I thought about Captain Jack after I wrote that... if it happened, that would be two gay (well, not straight) male companions with an American accent ;)

  • May 8, 2011, 2:38 p.m. CST

    Rory - Writer's choice.

    by Perigee

    I think I've already put myself in the Pro-Rory camp, but that being said, the only reason I am so is because Moffat writes the hell out of the character. There was nothing impressive about Thompson's Rory last night, just the usual Mickeying junk given to the ancillary companion. As were the other non-Moff-penned episodes of season 5. Chibnall's Silurian episodes gave us an ineffectual Rory on the surface, Whithouse used him as comedy relief in Venice, and even Amy's Choice didn't give us much actual development. According to what I've just researched on Wiki, Moffat has written every important. Rory-enriching episode of the past two seasons. The first episode (as goofy as he was, Rory even then was together enough to recognize the multiform), the ending pair (when he was the boy who waited), and the first two from this season. Our next Moffat episodes are the season-splitting two-parter and then the last episode. After checking this out, I'm pretty damned sure that Rory is the "Good Man" who "Goes To War." Moff has The Handle on Rory - he definitely has a plan for him.

  • May 8, 2011, 2:51 p.m. CST

    Doctor's Wife spoiler discussion (based upon preview clips)

    by HornOrSilk

    Well, I figured out what is back from the War Games. Everyone has had it wrong. It's the box. It's the box which he used to communicate with the Time Lords.

  • May 8, 2011, 2:55 p.m. CST

    Speaking of Pirates, did anyone see SNL last night?

    by ToughGuyRizzo

    Awesome Digital Short. Made me think of last night ep. BTW, anyone in NYC area that would like to watch new eps of Doctor Who, there's a bar in Brooklyn called the Way Station. The bathroom is masked by a painting and on the corner is a life sized TARDIS. So, when you enter the bathroom, it really is bigger on the inside, lol. Not a bad episode, still has continuity with the premier. also alot of foreshadowing, eluding to the Doc's death. (If that's what's really gonna happen.) Liked the ending shot also. Interesting notes with mirrors and parallel stuff, with being a Fringe fan. It's funny that this TB blew up and the Fringe one didn't, especially it being the season finale.

  • May 8, 2011, 3:06 p.m. CST

    @axcel - I don't WANT Rory to be killed off

    by Steve Rogers

    ...and in fact I don't believe he ever will be, not properly. The Moff isn't going to kill a companion. I'm just thoroughly over the plot device of Rory being 'killed', it was cheeky to try it on two separate occasions within a couple of weeks of each other in series 5, it definitely does NOT need to keep coming back in 6.

  • May 8, 2011, 3:06 p.m. CST

    all this stuff about the time lords....

    by emeraldboy

    returning is making me confused. i thought they returned in the tennant era finale called the end of time and that was the last we saw of them, dalton spittle and all. gallifrey rises and all that nonsense. dr's last battle...and all that. I really dont believe that moffat would risk bringing them back so soon. I dont think they are returning. just yet.

  • If the Moff has a plan for Rory, I hope it doesn't have him dying.

  • May 8, 2011, 3:37 p.m. CST

    Re : v'shael

    by Real Deal

    With all the other stuff being laid out here you're afraid to speculate on the face behind the panel? Or are you saying you have inside info? If not I can't believe they would put that in and not want people to speculate about it. " it's NOT that interesting " I don't buy that. I can't believe anything they threw in there and focused on for a moment so abruptly couldn't be important.

  • Yep; I'm aware of the lady. I nose around GB and DWS. However, they don't necessarily invalidate anything I'm thinking. If Amy is running simultaneously on two different timelines - like a train perched on two different train rails - her experience with the peephole makes sense. More than sense, actually; when she first encounters the peephole, it is at eye-level - 5'5-ish. On the ship, when she's laying down, she sees it at about 2' above the floor. If it were a physical portal tracking her through time, Bazooka Joanne would have to be peeking through it on her knees. Amy can't Kill anything she's not physically capable of shooting/stabbing/poking with a sharp stick; they have to be in the same place, at the same time. Which means either Kovarian pops over to visit us, or Amy visits her - or Amy already is with her. As open-ended as the clip is, it could mean anything.. but there is that Amy/Doctor moment. The promise: "No matter how far.." He's going after someone important to Amy. Maybe it Is Amy.

  • May 8, 2011, 3:45 p.m. CST


    by Candy ass monkey suit

    I heard some kind of rumour that some time lords may have escaped the time war or been exiled from gallifrey previously?. I personally think moffatt desperately wants to call RTD a cunt for writing them out from the start of the new series. I think he's trying to find a way to reintegrate them in a believable way. I must admit it would be far more interesting if the timelords were still around, i think that was a major screw up by RTD writing them out at the start of the new run. Problem is he's created such a huge fuckin problem in the whole time war scenario which is time locked supposedly ( even though some daleks escaped as we know!) that he's trying rack his moffat talent to find a way out. Im guessing gaimans ep next week isn't just a random timelord but actually river song who again ( if you belive the rumours) is as actually a timelord herself.

  • The only thing i can put forward on top of all of the last two weeks posts in relation to that is the idea that what makes Amy 'special' is responsible at the moment of 'the Big Bang' somehow for a split or link in parallel universes set as constants according to their constant 'remembered' bond by which she apparently essentially brings the Doctor back... and this has something major to do with what eyepatch lady infers and the other larger goings on in the big picture you refer too. What that might be if this is the case, well... that Moffat is a crafty bugger, that's for sure.

  • May 8, 2011, 4:03 p.m. CST

    I enjoyed this episode alot actually

    by alexander

    The resurtation of Rory at the end was kind of ridiculous and a bit too much, but the rest was all good. Maybe nothing in the script really reached out to grab or slap you relative to the best of Season 5/6 so far, but absolutely awesome tone and atmosphere to the direction and (again) brilliant production design saw it through nicely i thought... A ship captain from Earth INSTANTLY being able to pilot a spaceship? Kind of silly and unbelievable (while a nice idea overall), but um... not impossible i guess...

  • May 8, 2011, 4:04 p.m. CST

    resuscitation ughhhh

    by alexander

  • May 8, 2011, 4:06 p.m. CST

    i would love to hear someone like brian blessed

    by emeraldboy

    roar gallifrey rises and hiss the heart beat of a time lord. or maybe even mcdiarmiad. bring all of his skills to bear on the role as the head of the time lords or someone else. or hopkins. given how dalton thought the script was really beneath him, i can see him coming back. or here is a motherfecker of an idea. have all matt smith predecessors reprise their roles. given how fat he has become colin baker could have difficulty fitting into a time lord robe. or the previous three. that would at least shut up the tennant fans once and for all.

  • May 8, 2011, 4:07 p.m. CST

    @Real Deal - Yeah, I have some spoiler info.

    by V'Shael

    I'm not revealing it here. Like I said, it would be pointless to tell you who the character is, and what her role in Amy's pregnancy is, because the sheer facts are NOT important given what has already been revealed. The main impact of that plot line can't be felt, unless you also know some OTHER stuff, which hasn't even begun to be revealed yet. So it's a case of .. if I properly spoil the womans plotline, I spoil a LOT more. And if I don't... if I just tell you her name and her role in Amy's pregnancy, you'd just go.. "Okay, and?" Because it really isn't a big deal at all.

  • May 8, 2011, 4:10 p.m. CST

    Doctor Who: The Lost Stories

    by HornOrSilk

    Big Finish has done many of the Colin Baker ones, and many from other Doctors too. They are currently doing the Season 27 season, having just released Ice Time. There.

  • May 8, 2011, 4:12 p.m. CST

    Oh, and Masters of Luxor is now scheduled to be done

    by HornOrSilk

    I wonder why they didn't do it the first time around, but at least they are doing it. It's a fine story.

  • May 8, 2011, 4:18 p.m. CST

    @Candy Ass - Not true. RTD emailed Moff back when

    by V'Shael

    they knew Moff was taking over, and asked him if wanted to do anything with the Time Lords. Moff said no, and gave RTD free reign to use them any way he liked. It's gone into in some detail in The Writers Tale.

  • May 8, 2011, 4:27 p.m. CST


    by frozen01

    ... which I and at least one other person here are in the process of reading, so shhhhhh ;)

  • May 8, 2011, 4:40 p.m. CST

    regards to eyepatch lady

    by alexander

    Amy had something in her eye from the weeping angels, and we've since learned some 'scary' creatures like the Siren this ep are actually not what they appear so my theory... What if The Weeping Angels are not all they appear? What if there was still a whole load of good left in the timelord population in Galifrey (and the gentle Timelady or Doctors Mum at the ends of Moffats run is a good reminder of this, putting aside Rassilons command and devices), and this has something to do with them (perhaps also in addition to the medusa cascade) in the larger events and revelations of 'running out of time' and how 'The Silence will fall' and The Doctor will fall harder than ever before. What if, running literally out of time and reality, there are direct parallels between what we learnt with Siren Doctor this ep, and who and what the weeping angels are and their meanings/intentions, if they knew somehow or did from the future that time and reality were running out and they were unable to do anything or assist The Doctor under Rassilons corrupted rule-dictatorship that wanted accession, but also more fundamentally, being timelocked by The Doctor? What if the Doctor learning singling out all the timelords singlehandedly as a threat to reality and 'banishing' them forever inside Galifrey in the timelock, actually was MORE of a threat to reality without their assistance and knowledge by the end of time and reality, when all things were said and done, and it is this that will cause him to fall harder than ever before? Again: Running with this, think about the possible similarity of apparently being disintegrated matter by the Siren, and possibly only 'apparently' turned to stone forever, in relation to time and reality running out and the timelords or some-race-even-greaters possible foreknowledge of it and who the weeping angels might really be. Where would the Silence come into this? Now let me put this much more simply, getting back to the eyepatch lady and weeping angels moment with something in her eye, something that could be very obvious: What if its simply a window or hologram projection link in her eye/mind, between one occupied space in time and perhaps also likely one universe i.e Amy herself, and another i.e the peep hole door area window device eyepatch lady views, as other people have mentioned, a la Fringe? A window between two different times/universes, linked by Amys weeping Angel encounter and the something in her eye? Not two places constantly occupying the same space, as Amy is always on the move, but able to track and moniter Amy moving through space and time via the window link. That would be the most likely scenario for me (not the entire of what i'm guessing here, just the very last part. Were it all to be be the case well, that would mean each episode was very cunningly crafted overall, all the way back to the beginning of Season 5 up until this very episode - still haven't forgotten the similarities of the happy/angry heads to The Weeping Angels in 'Beast Below'! etc) Can't wait for next week, when if i manage to not be homeless, it will still be a miracle if I have a internet connection set up by can't wait for roughly a fortnight or two (fuck you BT, fuck you sooooo much) away...

  • May 8, 2011, 4:47 p.m. CST

    thank you for that link to lost stories hornorsilk!

    by alexander

  • May 8, 2011, 4:50 p.m. CST

    and then i go and read v'shaels post above

    by alexander

    mind you, that was at one point in space and time so... The Moff could have developed ideas since... but if not the timelords, well the Weeping Angels still have a very strong part to play in this somewhere, is my gut feeling from and in relation to the observations/speculations i put above.

  • May 8, 2011, 5:05 p.m. CST

    And so we come to the end of another beautiful Docback


    Or, at least, I do. See you all next week folks for, what will surely be one of the greatest of all Docbacks, as we discuss the wonder that is... NEIL GAIMAN'S "THE DOCTOR'S WIFE".

  • May 8, 2011, 5:13 p.m. CST

    v'shael: That doesn't suprise me(re: RTD/Mof & timelords)

    by Rebel Scumb

    A lot of people like to imagine this huge feud between Moffat and RTD just because they happen to only one or the other's particular stint as showrunner. When from everything I've seen, the two have a lot of mutual respect for each other. Afterall, unless I'm mistaken, RTD would probably be the one who originally hired Moffat onto the writing staff, and probably played a big part in Moffat being his successor as showrunner.

  • May 8, 2011, 5:25 p.m. CST

    You are welcome, alan_grant_lives

    by HornOrSilk

  • May 8, 2011, 5:44 p.m. CST

    talkbackers some of them...

    by emeraldboy

    use thier animosity of rtd and the love of moffat. to start stuff that isnt true.

  • The knock at the TARDIS door, "Shave and a haircut, six bits", I didn't know that originated from the UK.

  • May 8, 2011, 5:50 p.m. CST

    In defence of the Mark Gatiss episode from last season

    by alexander

    it was supposed to be in RTDs series originally, but got 'bumped' for some reason... so its more than possible he had to rework his origional script to fit what Moffat was doing at least a little, and that can sometimes make all the difference in throwing it off a bit...i thought it was a fun episode, give him another chance this season!

  • just dont take it too seriously and enjoy the characters and their adventures. if you want something more mature and serious read a good book or watch a good movie.

  • i second that.

  • I can't think of another show that is more versatile in terms of the range of what it can be week to week. If it needed to be taken more seriously, aside from the fact that it would seem out of character with the previous 47 years of the show, it would lose a lot of its charm. I don't hold doctor who to any higher standard other than it needs to entertain and engage me. Sometimes its funny, sometimes its terrifying, sometimes dramatic, other times action packed, and occasionally even a bit thought provoking. And at its very best its all of those things at once. But I don't think it ever need be "realistic", scientifically accurate or too serious. I think a "serious" doctor who would very quickly drift into prentiousness. The reason that never happens with the way the show is, is absolutely because of how campy and silly it is, even when its being dark and dramatic.

  • May 8, 2011, 6:09 p.m. CST

    Mark Gatiss

    by Rebel Scumb

    I actually liked Victory of the Dalek's a lot more upon second viewing. And I've always loved the Unquiet Dead, that might actually be the episode that officially hooked me on the show. I do hope though that this current season does not have any daleks, cybermen, or the Master. I love all three, but I feel like any time they show up. Especially the Daleks or the Master, it needs to be a big event. And the more sparingly they use them, the bigger it feels. Thats why episodes like 'daleks in manhattan' and 'victory of the daleks' are handicapped a bit (although they are also admittedly weaker than other outings). Because they are just run of the mill episodes, and follow to quickly on the heels of previous Dalek appearances. If they can go a series or 2 without any of the iconic baddies, then the next time they show up its going to feel really monumental. Sort of how the early 90s era X-men comics used Magneto, starting in the Jim Lee era. Magneto only showed up once ever couple of years, so everytime he did it was a HUGE deal.

  • May 8, 2011, 6:16 p.m. CST

    @timesfool on moonlanding silent

    by veteran_of_mu

    There's no way to tell whether there's a silent in our moonlanding videos or not - the moment you see it you forget it and presumably it would edit out any other measurement of its existence - video timing, etc. - so that only the post-hypnotic suggestion remains.

  • May 8, 2011, 6:18 p.m. CST

    Black Spot...

    by Rob Sloane

    ...seems to be a suitable title for a review of this weeks episode. This was a poor outing, not risible, but certainly this ship has started 'in choppy waters' and seems to be 'steering off course' for the 'reefs and shoals' rather than 'tacking into the wind' -this episode was 'becalmed' indeed. Really, Matt Smith barely held this together (only on charm alone). As mentioned above Rory dying is getting tiresome. He may be 'our every man' redshirt, but that's getting boring. Amy saving the Doctor (or River Song) or any other female character from his own optimism is also a trope getting worn thin. The 'missing' actor for the entire 2nd and most of the 3rd act was strange, and if it was a nod to the Silence, then it play that way - instead it simply seemed like a production error. It reminds me of the "Lost" production error (the assistant in shot in the cabin) which for a while became a fan-wishful-thinking fest of epic proportions. Sadly TV shows DO make mistakes. My verdict on this very mixed and toothless outing is 3.5 out of 10... I'm hoping that season six can start having a) some fun! and b) some depth (no, I don't mean 'convolutions and red herrings') and emotion. OK there are ten episodes to go over the year, so here's hoping for more magic in this dark faery tale. Keep cool, Ummphoo

  • 'nuff said, as we say in America.

  • May 8, 2011, 6:22 p.m. CST

    the concept of the Silents really is quite unsettling

    by Rebel Scumb

    If people know spoilers about this, I don't want to know. But in terms of speculation, are we meant to believe that the voice in the Tardis at the end of The Pandorica Opens saying "Silents will fall!" with that creepy palpatine type voice was in fact The Silents from The impossible astronaut/day of the moon, or was it some other entity as yet unknown that was merely refering to the coming threat of The Silents. And if so are we meant to believe they are the ones who orchestrated the Tardis exploding, which from their perspective would be a retalliation against the Doctor defeating them in 1969? Because the voice was very different between the two episodes, but they could of just gone with a different choice of voice actors/modulation. Again, no spoilers please, I'm just curious about people's interpretations of what we've seen so far.

  • May 8, 2011, 6:24 p.m. CST

    rebel (mild spoiler)

    by frozen01

    There will be cybermen. I'm with you on that, though. A year without any of the iconic baddies would be nice.

  • I must admit I was battling exhaustion late last night when I watched the episode, so if there was a glaring error I clearly missed it.

  • May 8, 2011, 6:24 p.m. CST

    Mark Gattiss

    by TheFerretLives

    I don't understand the Gattiss bashing by some, fair enough VotD had its problems but The Unquiet Dead was pretty good. Also he's from the northeast and once drew a penis on a drawing of Rolfaroo he sent to a child fan of Rolf Harris so that makes him alright by me! F

  • May 8, 2011, 6:29 p.m. CST

    Disappearing Character

    by TheFerretLives

    Lee Ross' (from Eastenders, Moffat's old Press Gang kids show and Catherine Tate show - "what did you do babe? What are you like?") character Boatswain something starting with D disappeared after the kid cut him. They never showed him being taken by the Siren. Some talkbackers suggested they forgot him because of the Silents but on Doctor Who Confidential it showed the producer cutting that scene down so I guess they thought we didn't need to see him go? F

  • The Web of Caves, and the Pitch of Doom were both awesome.

  • May 8, 2011, 6:30 p.m. CST

    Time Lords coming back..spoiler

    by shutupfanboy

    seems more like Gaiman wanting them back plus it screams trap. If you watch the trailer for this season with the voice saying he killed many TimeLords and the Doctor saying he killed them all is more then likely is in this episode. The Ood showing up as me more intrigued then the Time Lords. I am glad they are gone to be honest and that should be Tennant's Doctor ultimate victory is to stop his own people from destroying time. Hence, he is the protector of time and space.

  • May 8, 2011, 6:33 p.m. CST

    thanks ferret

    by Rebel Scumb

    Now that you mention it, it did seem like one of the pirates got lost in the shuffle somewhere. I thought maybe I just dosed off and missed something.

  • May 8, 2011, 6:34 p.m. CST

    "Unquiet Dead was pretty good"


    I remember loving it ... but its been a few years since I last saw it. VotD I hated ... It felt like it was written and made by someone who hated the Daleks and wanted to have a laugh at their expense.

  • May 8, 2011, 6:44 p.m. CST


    by HornOrSilk

    I am fairly sure the Daleks are back, for at least the return of the Pandorica Alliance. I think this will also satisfy the Nation Estate's desires for this season...

  • A lot of things could of been milked better if they had, and certain things wouldn't of had to be so rushed, like the spitfires going into space within a few minutes of when the threat emerges, instead of having time to properly set that up. I did get a kick out of Churchill though, I like that he and the Doctor seem like old poker buddies.

  • May 8, 2011, 6:47 p.m. CST

    Unquiet Dead was very good.. just...

    by HornOrSilk

    Too bad every historical since then has followed it and made it no longer special. I wish we had some real history episodes without monsters. The Doctor meets Ashoka is a must, imo.

  • May 8, 2011, 6:49 p.m. CST

    Thanks moffatbabies!

    by Kelvington

    Glad you liked it. SPOILER TALK - Hornosilk - I don't think anything bad happens to our crew because they easily flipped and episode from early in the series to the end. theferretlives - Think they were talking about the "first" console room in the DW Museum. Which appears next week.

  • YES!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! THANK YOU, JESUS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

  • May 8, 2011, 6:55 p.m. CST

    hornersilk: I never really thought of that...

    by Rebel Scumb

    In the old historical episodes sometimes it is just about meeting the historical figure without an alien threat. Like in 'the aztecs', but nowadays they always have both the scifi and historical element mixed together.

  • The one who appeared in the church to Donna's grandfather, and also turned out to be a timelord at the end. I know the common theory is she's the doctor's mother, but it was left very ambigious, and since that was the end of the Tennant/RTD stuff I was assuming the mystery element was included to carry over into something Moffat had planned. Although I know that episode suffered from a lot of script revisions, since I think either the Rani or Romana was suppose to be in it at one point, but got rewritten to be that rich black guys spoiled daughter at the last minute.

  • May 8, 2011, 7:07 p.m. CST


    by shibleybc

    Is my favourite River Song line! :) But only some of you will ever know ;)

  • May 8, 2011, 7:16 p.m. CST

    yes rebel scumb I agree about Victory of The Daleks

    by alexander

    and also with the fella was who was pointing out The Beast Below would have worked better as a two parter in place of the Silurians story, as much as I like that episode

  • May 8, 2011, 7:17 p.m. CST

    killik i don't know what on earth you are on about

    by alexander

  • At the same time reflecting upon what you said, theres different ways to be considered 'campy' and 'fun', or 'grown up' and 'serious'... how else do you explain a lot of Tom Bakers run? Its not that simple for me

  • If i truly felt the way you think i do, I wouldn't watch Doctor Who full stop. Just because its a popular 'family' show, doesn't mean its void or null of criticism, that would just be stupid.

  • amongst other things

  • May 8, 2011, 8:10 p.m. CST

    That's okay, I'll put in something so you don't feel alone

    by DoctorTom

    I doubt that Moffat's going to do anything with RTD's mysterious woman...unless she pops up next week. <br> <br> "You're not my mother!" <br> <br> "But I am" <br> <br> <br> I just don't see it happening.

  • Nope, neither do I. She served her mysterious purpose and should probably be left that way. Of course that could change if and when they want to drag the Master back into action because that would require the Gallifrey time lock being broken ... again.

  • May 8, 2011, 8:47 p.m. CST

    Doctor Who is gay

    by PeanutButterSlut

    Despite the hard work of the nerds on this thread to try and discredit me (saying I'm another TB'er...) Doctor Who remains a 'gay' show. 1) The Doctor probably is gay. 2) The show is 'stupid'. I will say that every once in awhile, the show has brief moments of levity and greatness. The newest 2-parter was OK, and I guess Moffat is Better than Davies, but c'mon, British shows are fucking annoying... Matt Smith is pretty likeable, but just when I start to like the show, Moffat shoves a sonicscrewdriver up my ass and gays up the whole bit... Personally, I like SGU a lot better...but that's been canceled. Doc is probably the only scifi show left...all there is in America is 'SYFY" now. But, such is the struggle for a scifi and Lovecraft fan. First ATMOM, than wonder I watching this jack-off fucking gay show! To summarize...FUCK ALL YOU CUNTS! Especially those who talked shit to me earlier...FAGS!!1

  • May 8, 2011, 8:54 p.m. CST

    Thanks Kelvington

    by TheFerretLives

  • May 8, 2011, 9:04 p.m. CST

    Analysis of user names

    by JPKk

    I wonder if any psych student has done an analysis of user names. I mean, if you self-identify with Alan Grant or or Doctor Tom I could see a positive and healthy self image, Peanutbutterslut, .... not so much.

  • May 8, 2011, 9:09 p.m. CST

    River Song's Crime - Freudian /

    by JPKk

    She kills the best man she knew. What if it is her father ? A good man ? This takes us back to Rory, who is starting to rack up lives Captain Jack Harkness.

  • May 8, 2011, 9:11 p.m. CST

    That should have been a ? mark

    by JPKk

  • May 8, 2011, 9:31 p.m. CST

    So the Tardis has bedrooms, bathrooms and a kitchen ...

    by Corwin_X2

    ... plus a swimming pool and a library. It's a space/timeship built by one of the most advanced races in all of time and space and designed to be flown by a six-plus crew, not just one bloke. But it doesn't have a sickbay, apparently. Or even a simple medical station with basic first-aid/resuscitation equipment. No wonder the Doctor has to regenerate so often!

  • May 8, 2011, 9:31 p.m. CST

    mediat - God I hope not ;)

    by frozen01

  • Cuz I'm sure someone would have an absolute field day with mine :P

  • May 8, 2011, 9:58 p.m. CST

    thanks Doctortom

    by alexander

  • to get over your absent dad then threw you out so those boys could throw you in a cage and beat you repeatedly. Despite your posts, you will always be the guy who just got repeatedly raped by your faux gay Mum with a strap on and got a taste for it in the end. Fuck off whino

  • May 8, 2011, 10:05 p.m. CST

    and thank you mediat

    by alexander

    I hope that above post doesn't change your mind - i just want that asshole to stop spreading his cheeks

  • loads more screen time for his character?... that's what i hope anyway. Would feel kind of upset if Rory ended up bowing out this Season at least

  • Do us all a favour and crawl up your own arse and die.

  • No pleasing some I tell you.

  • May 9, 2011, 1:21 a.m. CST

    alan_grant_lives..all together now..."UUuup the shiiiiter...."

    by sam jacksons wig

  • May 9, 2011, 2 a.m. CST

    "slut just came from his Mom and then twittered...."

    by alexander

  • May 9, 2011, 2:02 a.m. CST

    kiddie flicks and *apparently* Stargate, mind

    by alexander

  • May 9, 2011, 6:24 a.m. CST

    Changing bow-ties and finger-nail paint... Not seeing it.

    by V'Shael

    All right you conspiracy nuts. Show us your brilliance. Just WHERE are these changing bow ties and finger nail colours, because I can't see 'em. If you say they're changing from episode to episode, then you deserve a smack for making mountains out of molehills.

  • May 9, 2011, 7:20 a.m. CST

    I did notice something...

    by emeraldboy

    if you look at the posters for season 6 which are on the bbc website for dr who. there is a subtle sort of darkness in those posters. especially in the faces of three protagonists Amy, rory and the dr. they all look kind of serious.

  • May 9, 2011, 7:21 a.m. CST

    Pirate hats are cool.

    by captain_kirk

    Just wanted to say that.

  • May 9, 2011, 7:40 a.m. CST

    The End of Time Lady.

    by shutupfanboy

    People theorized its not his mother, but another one of the Time Lord rulers from the classic series, he had deposed like Harriett Jones. I think its probably his mom, but they can go either way with it. Personally, I want to see the Time War in book form or a special mini-series that thing sounded amazing.

  • I was imagining at the end of the series when they do the inevitable tie -in with all of the moments that made up the story arc, and the camera panning in on the bow ties and finger nails for that HUUUUUUGE AHA!!! moment... And then I finally woke up and came to my senses. If they wanted us to tell the Doc apart from "someone else" they would find a (frankly) better way of doing it.

  • May 9, 2011, 8:03 a.m. CST

    The Bow Tie Secret Message

    by HornOrSilk

    Of course there is a secret message with the bow ties. You are to put them all together and shine a light from the sonic screwdriver through them, and then a message appears saying, "Help me Obi-Wan Kenobi, you are my only help."

  • May 9, 2011, 8:20 a.m. CST

    hornorsilk - GREAT KID!!! Don't get cocky....... ;)

    by sam jacksons wig

  • May 9, 2011, 8:33 a.m. CST

    SJW......Now lets blow this joint and get the hell outta here!

    by shibleybc

  • May 9, 2011, 8:34 a.m. CST

    Bow Ties

    by Blue Bow Tie Some speculated that in the last series it indicated if the episode was either set in the future or in the past. I still think there's something going on with the red/blue imagery. While it may not have a payoff story wise, it could later on be revealed to indicate something to the audience or specific people(Like if a famous fictitious actress went on a morning show and wore red or winked three times, it means she decided to go out with Joe Nobody). Until it's actually revealed otherwise, I'm sticking with the idea that we are seeing two doctors.

  • May 9, 2011, 8:50 a.m. CST

    You have the motherfucking nerve to say I like kids shows?

    by PeanutButterSlut

    I said I like scifi and Lovecraft. H.P. is rolling in his god-damn grave, after those bitch comments! Cthulhu isn't for kids!!!! Doctor WHo is for kids though. It's a FAMILY show, assfucks. Which is why it's so 'bland'.

  • May 9, 2011, 8:53 a.m. CST

    The only thing I take up the bum...

    by PeanutButterSlut

    Is Moffats arm, after he shoves his fist up my ass, a.k.a. watching the "show". Watching Who is like being "intellectually" fisted.

  • Yet you keep watching ... Sounds like you enjoy getting "fisted" every now and then. Something you want to admit? ... Fucking cretin.

  • May 9, 2011, 9:20 a.m. CST

    Ginge Muppet...

    by PeanutButterSlut

    I don't really watch all that much anymore. I've taken a break from WHo, hadn't watched since Tennat's first season...and I bailed 3/4ths the way through that one. There are only two scifi shows right now; Who & SGU. Can I claim SGU is better without watching Who? I'm checking out the competition. "The Impossible Asstronaught" two parter was passable, but everytime I was enjoying myself, Moffat starts to lube up his hand... And I don't like being fisted, which is why I stay away from Who. I'm adventurous though, so a little British Ass-Play everyonce in a while can be a 'treat' LOL.

  • May 9, 2011, 9:30 a.m. CST

    hornorsilk might be George Lucas

    by MoffatBabies

    since the first 3 Star Wars films, it seems George has been unable to approve any dialogue with contractions. Evidence: "Help me Obi Wan Kenobi, YOU ARE my only hope" (hornorsilk) "Help me Obi Wan Kenobi, YOU'RE my only hope" (original dialogue) Joking of course. Well, at least I'm not talking about fisting.

  • May 9, 2011, 9:37 a.m. CST


    by MoffatBabies

    There was a guy here analyzing usernames, and I cannot recall with detail but I think he either eats with a feedbag now or is Media Messiah. Not sure which. Well, at least most people don't hear the Muppet Babies theme song every time they read their own username.

  • May 9, 2011, 9:48 a.m. CST

    There used to be an FM talk radio station in SoCal

    by MoffatBabies

    when I lived there a few years back. On one show during drive-time (Leykis maybe?) there was a caller that described, in as much detail as one could on the public airwaves, what she did with peanut butter and her beloved pet German shepherd. I will not explain any of the details of the call. The word "extrapolate" comes to mind? When I read peanutbutterslut's name, all I can think of is that phone call. Well, that as well as how much I really, really enjoy Doctor Who. And how certain deficients wouldn't know good storytelling if it it was a man-nurse that aroused them while changing their catheter for them. My my that was specific.

  • May 9, 2011, 10:35 a.m. CST

    No-one else awake?

    by MoffatBabies

    I'm up listening to the premiere of Kevin Smith's (internet) radio network, S.I.R. (smodcast internet radio) at . Might not be everyone's cup of tea, but it's really fun so far. The place needs a chatroom badly though. Interaction is just not there. Don't let the DocBack die folks! When the series/season is over... it'll be months without a DocBack. Cherish it, let the trolls be trolls.

  • May 9, 2011, 11:12 a.m. CST

    sam jacksons wig

    by emeraldboy

    I definitely think so... but how many times were we told that the harry potter films were getting darker...and look how that turned.

  • May 9, 2011, 11:45 a.m. CST

    Quite the contrary

    by PeanutButterSlut

    You sad lot wouldn't know good story telling if it bit YOU IN THE ASS. I read a lot of books these days because of the said state of affairs of scripted TV. The cliche recycled piss that is Doc Who, or SGU for that matter, pales in comparison to even the most sub-par of Cthulhu Mythos anthologies. Although I do like the redhead 'cumpanion" of the Doc's, know THATS a lass that could use a good fisting...

  • May 9, 2011, 11:51 a.m. CST


    by Rob Sloane

    ... was very, very silly. Let's just remember this is a children's show for Saturday evening 'fluffy' entertainment. Obviously, this is more difficult to do when you have Ubergeeks at the helm pushing the more-adult agenda. Keep cool, Ummphoo

  • May 9, 2011, 12:06 p.m. CST

    ...oh and...

    by Rob Sloane

    ...that photo of Jo Grant and her 'exterminated' clothing is super-cute. Didn't even know that existed! :) Now if this is what is meant by more-adult Dr Who -I'm all in for that! Keep cool, Ummphoo

  • And it stood me well these many years. I still remember when ITV dramatised "Chocky" by John Wyndham. Heady stuff for my childs brain. Don't assume that just because it's aimed at kids, that means no thought has to go into the writing.

  • May 9, 2011, 12:24 p.m. CST

    is peanutbutterslut still here? Oh dear......

    by sam jacksons wig

  • ....everything is "darker" these days. A slight change in tonality to signify a more serious take on any subject matter automatically loses its radiant hue. It's all bollocks really.

  • May 9, 2011, 12:36 p.m. CST

    v'shael - Chocky was awesome.

    by TinSpider

    I too grew up with this stuff. Tripods too. I think I was the only kid at my school that used to watch 'Knights of God' - Remember that one?

  • May 9, 2011, 12:53 p.m. CST

    Today Show-- Doctor Who

    by HornOrSilk Might have some spoilers... I'm watching it now...

  • May 9, 2011, 12:57 p.m. CST

    sam jackson wig

    by emeraldboy

    i agree. after the war the daleks scared the living stuffing out of the brits, because the brits had come through the systematic destruction of their country by the luftwaffe, during ww2. I have seen some clips of the old dr who aliens on youtube and they look rubbish. some of them.

  • May 9, 2011, 12:57 p.m. CST

    Yes, the Today Show has a couple spoilers

    by HornOrSilk

    Oh yes. It does. And a guest role for a certain American...

  • May 9, 2011, 12:59 p.m. CST

    IT might even be a big spoiler in there

    by HornOrSilk

    Seems to deal with the final for the season...

  • May 9, 2011, 1:02 p.m. CST

    Spoiler from the Today Show

    by HornOrSilk

    "Crowds lined the mall today as Holy Roman Emperor Winston Churchill returned to the Buckingham Senate on his personal mammoth." With a clip.

  • May 9, 2011, 2:16 p.m. CST

    Oh come on guys and gals, this episode was fun!

    by Mister Vertue

    It's got pirates in it, how can that not be fun? It doesn't always have to be serious. There's no pleasing some people, is there?

  • May 9, 2011, 2:19 p.m. CST

    And I didn't realise that talkback names had any meaning at all!

    by Mister Vertue

    Aren't they completely random? Of course they are.

  • May 9, 2011, 2:28 p.m. CST

    sam jacksons wig

    by Mister Vertue

    You really need to stop visiting doctorwho and then coming here and re-posting all their 'news'. It's very naughty! Half of what they print is nonsense anyway and the other half they get right is merely ruinous. Isn't it more fun to just wait and find out what happens as the show goes on? I'm not having a go at you, I'm just a wee bit curious that's all. Please don't bite my head off. Many thanks.

  • May 9, 2011, 2:48 p.m. CST


    by notspock2

    Have you proved you are not SM yet?

  • May 9, 2011, 2:53 p.m. CST

    Dioxholster - you (finally) got something right

    by DoctorTom

    "RIP Stargate, we hardly knew ya. " <br> <br> In the case of SGU, we hardly knew it because the few people who watched the first episode abandoned it after they saw that it was trying to be a poor man's Battlestar Galactica, without the writing talent or, for the most part, acting talent (with the exception of 2 people). <br> <br> A more accurate statement would actually be: <br> <br> RIP Stargate, you passed your expiration date.

  • May 9, 2011, 2:58 p.m. CST

    (not really a spoiler) River Song is....

    by DoctorTom

    ...actually the Master regenerated, back from Gallifrey and feeling good about him/herself. The clue to this was the first time Amy met River, when she makes the comment "She's like all, heel boy!" implying she's a dominatrix type, often referred to as Mistress. <br> Moffat might be trying to do a reverse of the scene that he had at the end of The Curse of Fatal Death where the Doctor regenerated into Joanna Lumley and walked out with the Master. <br> Well, the theory (probably) won't be correct, but try watching that scene in The Time of Angels without thinking of River as the Master.

  • May 9, 2011, 3:12 p.m. CST

    @man_of_vertue - Nothing to do with it being fun.

    by V'Shael

    I think you didn't read any of the actual posts above, which complained about it. No one was saying that it was a problem because it wasn't serious. No one was saying it was a problem because it was supposed to be light-hearted. Overwhelmingly, people who didn't like, had very specific reasons for not liking it. Such as the terribly bad plotting. Now, you can ignore that if you like. You're free to do so. But you're not allowed to construct a straw man argument about the shows failings, and then claim there's no pleasing some people. Sloppy thinking, like sloppy plotting, will be called out.

  • May 9, 2011, 3:14 p.m. CST


    by alexander

    now there's an adaptation I'd love to see an update of done good and proper

  • May 9, 2011, 3:17 p.m. CST

    RIP [dioxholster], we knew you all too well

    by alexander

  • May 9, 2011, 3:33 p.m. CST


    by Mister Vertue

    I am absolutely, positively, 100% *NOT* SM. I'm sure he's got much better things to do with his time than hang out on a website with other Doctor Who fans. I'm sure he's still recovering from press junkets on both sides of the Atlantic, touching up episodes from series fnarg part 2, pulling his short and curlies out (from his head and not anywhere else) from writing series 2 of Sherlock, as well as juggling his time with being a husband and father of two. I'm almost certain he also has one or two other things going on in his private and professional life to keep him occupied too, wouldn't you think? Who the hell would have time to hang out here with all that on his plate? Not SM, that's who.

  • Meredith Vieira guest stars on Doctor Who. Like someone said, it looks like the final episode(s?) of the year (not the xmas special that everyone is forgeting about.). It looks like time goes wacky. And, yes, the Cybermen are back!!!!!!! Everyone say, "Thank you, Jesus!!!!!"

  • May 9, 2011, 3:53 p.m. CST


    by Mister Vertue

    Oh, boo hiss to you sir (or madam)! It's Doctor Who not Dostoevsky or Tolstoy. Can't you just enjoy the spectacle of an episode set aboard a pirate ship? Sure, they used just about every pirate cliché possible, but that's all part of the fun. My kids loved it! How about you judge the episodes individually at the end of the series once you know the bigger picture and not pull them to pieces before the story arc is finished? You might look back and appreciate them a little more. And it could be so much worse, we could have no Doctor Who at all! Think back to the dark days of the 1990's when we had no new Who at all, barring the tv movie. If you just plain didn't like the episode, or the story, then that's fine, I respect that. We're all Doctor Who fans here I assume (except that Stargate chap - seriously, what his deal?) and it's fun to debate about where the show is heading and which episodes we liked and which ones we didn't, but please don't be too harsh on the show. I think it's come a long way since 1963 and we should be proud of what he have today, don't you think? Just my tuppence ha'penny bit for what it's worth.

  • May 9, 2011, 3:57 p.m. CST

    Why the Fuck Isn't This on OnDemand Yet?

    by Deandome

    my comcast doesn't have BBCAmerica-HD, just 'regular', but over on OnDemand, it DOES have HD shows, including DW (go figure). So of course, I've been waiting a day & watching it via OnDemand...duh. But as of now, 6.03 isn't available in HD or std def...WHY????? Anyone know anything?

  • May 9, 2011, 4:14 p.m. CST

    @Axel1: Who is on Whaaat? (COmment on Spoiler)

    by Perigee

    That blows serious donkey dong... right after it's finished packing dioxholser's chocolate for him. What an ill-conceived, dung covered sell out for some publicity. It's an easy bet that they bought a talking head from ever major country that shows DW. Then, cut it all together into a forty-second scan of the woooo weeeird news from around the world. Bleah.

  • Don't kill the messenger, I am just reporting the spoiler, not creating it. LOLOLOL I didn't know there were good and bad spoilers. "Then, cut it all together into a forty-second scan of the woooo weeeird news from around the world.", you say that like it's a bad thing. Well, at least you didn't get mad about the Cybermen returning. Did you say, "Thank you, Jesus!", I know you did.

  • May 9, 2011, 5:02 p.m. CST

    I was stoked... but they didn't finish choking her.

    by Perigee

    Wah. I watched that clip, and thought, "Now I know why the English think we're all kind of slow-witted and dull..." Now I know how Canadians feel whenever a Bryan Adams video comes on.

  • The rest of the world hates the US and, this is not helping our cause. So, I take it you did say, "Thank you, Jesus", I thank you and the Cybermen thank you. Wooooooooooooo, three episodes, that's nice, it would be very nice if it were the Mondas/Telos Cybermen, wouldn't it? Yes, yes, it would.

  • May 9, 2011, 5:35 p.m. CST

    Spoilery insanity...

    by Perigee

    Indeedy I did. Although, I have to admit that, after the scene in "The Pandorica Opens" with Amy, and all of this talk about babies, I was put in mind of this guy:

  • May 9, 2011, 6:07 p.m. CST


    by frozen01

    Sure... Comcast sucks. It's overpriced garbage that only exists today because it has a monopoly on most of the country and the FCC couldn't find its way out of a paper bag much less do its damned job. Of course, you could always switch to their "competition" and lose your signal every time a cloud rears its fluffy head. Anyways, BBCA repeats the episodes a lot. You can probably just DVR the standard def repeat. Or visit the *ahem* bay of pirates. It is rather fitting, after all.

  • May 9, 2011, 6:54 p.m. CST

    The Doctor's Wife is ..........?

    by JPKk

    Obviously there will be a twist on whether the Time-Lords & Ladies are the real deal or not, but I was wondering about the Doctor's Wife. Which wife are they referring to in the title. Everyone is so caught up with the River Song identity they are ignoring the fact that he was married before. Has anyone else looked for evidence of this possibility ?

  • May 9, 2011, 6:59 p.m. CST

    Who knew Daleks were sexy?

    by blueant

    obviously so :p

  • May 9, 2011, 7:28 p.m. CST

    @doctortom - Daftest theory EVER

    by Steve Rogers

    I feel like that one deserves some kind of award! I've followed a few series of Who on this board so am used to fan guesswork (all of which, incidentally, has so far proved wrong), but River is the Master?! And the "clue" for this is that Amy says "She's all, like, 'Heel boy'!"?? Words actually fail me. Even more ridiculous than River being the Rani. You realise your theory would mean that the Master and the Doctor have now been seen snogging onscreen? Even RTD wouldn't have tried that one! If it turns out to be true I will give you a million pounds*.<p> *NB. Offer not serious or legally binding.

  • May 9, 2011, 9:32 p.m. CST

    River Song is not the Rani.unless you fans still believe

    by KilliK

    that the Nu Doctor is a series aimed strictly at the old fanboys.nope that is not the case. Rani is a secondary character,well-known only to the hardcore fanbase of the old series. On the other River Song is Moffatt's for a new,rebooted series aimed at a modern,general audience.There is no way that he is going to replace the identity of his own character with an older,less known one from the original series.there is the artistic ego that you should sometimes take into account. He might connect River Song in a way with the Rani,but she wont be her, she is already her own beast.

  • May 9, 2011, 10:38 p.m. CST

    Thank you, steve rogers

    by DoctorTom

    Yes, I *do* realize that it would mean the Doctor and the Master had been snogging. It means that every time you watch Day of the Moon now, you'll be wondering if the Doctor's reaction to River kissing him is *only* because he's not used to kissing, or if he subconciously realizes who it is kissing him. <br> BWAHAHAHAHA <br> My work here is done.

  • "Dr." Who? Couldn't they actually be bothered to spell out the series name properly? <br> "He's changed his appearance at least 11 times"? No, you dumb bimbo, if he's the 11th Doctor it means he's changed his appearance *10* times. If Matt Smith had been the 12th Doctor and she said he had changed his appearance 12 times I could understand the mistake - she would have needed to take off her shoes to count that high. <br> And to imagine that she hadn't even reached the 2 minute mark - not even at the point of her throwing the spoilers in and she's made a hash of it. <br> I'm sure that if she did a piece on Misfits while she was over there, she'd have claimed that it's a British reboot of Misfits of Science. Stupid tw*t.

  • He said the show looked rather peaked and was coughing up a lot of blood. He didn't think the show was going to survive.

  • I wonder if Dioxholster tried hijacking that thread for SGU, or complained that Thor doesn't have the seriousness of SGU to be "real" science fiction. <br> Still, it could be worse. At least we didn't have the SGU people trying to launch a Doctor Who rip-off, er, new Stargate series involving Stargates that allow time travel with spaceships that are bigger on the inside than the outside.

  • May 10, 2011, 1:17 a.m. CST

    Thor Meets Doctor Who

    by veteran_of_mu

    Thor: "You dare threaten me with so puny a weapon?" Dr: "Ah, well, you know, killed a lot of time lords, nastiest thing in the Pandorica, quite highly regarded in some parts of the multiverse -" Thor: "Thou and I hand to hand -- shall settle thy fate once and for all." Dr: "Hmm. How about mind to mind? Game of chess for my fate, or perhaps Wei Qi? Oh, I know, charades!" Thor: "I am Thor Odinson of the Vikings, Doctor. I am not the god of reason and understanding. I am the god of Thunder and Lightning!!!" Dr: "Really? Oh, I haven't met one of them since, um, did I mention my nickname? They call me the Oncoming Storm. Word of advice: Run. No, really, RUN!" Thor: "None but Thor remain to stop thee... and stop thee I shall... or I be not Son of Odin!" Dr: "That ... can be arranged ..."

  • May 10, 2011, 2:01 a.m. CST

    this either-or mentality is so droll

    by MoffatBabies

    indeed, RIP SGU, but Who is still around for a reason.

  • that's a little ridiculous to me - you could say the same thing about the silurians almost

  • but on the other hand, he could love Rani that much he wanted to make her his beast also, and maybe doesnt have such a beast of an ego about having a creation all his own beast (on top of Cap Jack, Delaware etc.) Beast Beast Beast Beast Beast Beast Beast Beast. Hmmmn... I'm with Hobbes, i prefer 'Smock'.

  • May 10, 2011, 8:27 a.m. CST

    True, Alan... still.

    by Perigee

    Consider him a convenient steam vent. Every tightly loomed group needs a "them" to warm and fuzzy the "us." In that spirit, Diox's member isn't "The Beast Below" - it's "The Maggot Hidden in the Overgrowth." I thank you.

  • May 10, 2011, 9:06 a.m. CST

    River won't turn out to be the Rani

    by Steve Rogers

    I remember last series everyone was sure that *Amy* would turn out to be the Rani! What the hell do people see in the Rani? She was a naff character who appeared in two of the crappiest stories in one of the crappiest eras of the show. <p><br> The Moff won't want to saddle his own creation with this Rani baggage. Something like River being Amy's kid from the future, whilst mental, might happen cos it's the Moff working within his own playground, so to speak. "He could love the Rani that much"? I? doubt even Pip and Jane Baker love the Rani *that* much.

  • May 10, 2011, 9:32 a.m. CST

    @Steve Rogers - You and me both...

    by V'Shael

    I have never ever understood why some corners of fandom (some deep dark twisted corners, perhaps) are utterly obsessed with the idea that a) The Rani would come back b) She would be impersonating a companion and it would be some great shocking reveal. It's been around since AT LEAST the runaway bride, and has never made a lick of sense.

  • May 10, 2011, 10:58 a.m. CST

    A simple one line fix...

    by Kelvington

    Not sure if this was mentioned already, but ONE LINE of dialog could have fixed a HUGE plot hole. People ask why didn't the Doctor, Amy and the Captain transmat on to beds instead of the anti-room of the sick bay. Here is the dialog that could have fixed it, right after the Doctor realizes the siren is a doctor, Amy says: AMY: Well if she's a doctor why didn't we end up on these beds instead of that cold floor out there? DOCTOR: Simple Amy, that was triage, you start out there before you end up here, sort of a way to tell who needs her help the most. FIXED! OH an enough with the Rani shit... JESUS FUCKING CHRIST! River is NOT the RANI, AMY and RORY are NOT THE RANI! IDRIS... OK maybe her but NO ONE ELSE! LOL There are no RANI's, Amy's house was not a TARDIS, and the dream guy is not the Valeyard! Just STOP IT! All the answers last year were a hundred times more prosaic than anything the docbacks came up with. We are over thinking this shit, it's all going to be simple and it's all contained within the last two series. PERIOD! They aren't going to pull a mind fuck here, the modern fans have little if any idea who those people are, so to pawn River off as the Rani would just be a huge FU to all of us. And they won't do that, there's too much money at stake. Think inside the box, River being Amy's kid and the Doctor falls for her... that I can see. The woman with the eye patch being some sort of nurse telling Amy, "She's doing fine", delivering the baby while she's being held by the silence... that I can see. But the Rani, the Valeyard or anything else I can't see happening. Next you will be telling me they are bringing back that fat bloak from "The Lodger" or Cybermats... I mean for fuck's sake... oh wait...

  • May 10, 2011, 10:59 a.m. CST

    People were sure that Amy was the Rani!? Was not awre of that

    by alexander

    I always rooted for River Song

  • May 10, 2011, 11:10 a.m. CST

    Herc could tells us if the Moff is here...

    by Kelvington

    All Herc would have to do is look for IP's coming from Cardiff, and it could nailed down pretty quickly if it was the Moff. Just saying. So Herc any IP's from Wales here?

  • that's what i think you folk who are complaining and ripping on The Rani business are completely missing. Think about Time and The Rani. Think about if River was her in context of playing dressup companion and 'its the man i want' etc. What else is there to be confused about guys/gals? Chill the fuck out over the Rani theory!

  • and has been co-ercing others into playing dress up themselves to act out his personal shit ever since, aye Perigree

  • May 10, 2011, 12:02 p.m. CST

    Jo Grant's Curse Of The Black Spot!!

    by wtriker1701

    Damn', she was hot back in the days. Consider me dreaming about being a Dalek, playing with my Pümpel..... btw: The episode didn't do much for me. Slightly amusing, never really catching. So here's to the next episode, that might bring us some wonders...

  • May 10, 2011, 3:26 p.m. CST

    Rani, River, & Pond

    by JPKk

    For those looking for evidence of a connection between the three: Rani = Rain Boy does that Moff guy plan or what ! I know, the clue is all wet. I thought the Rani was possibly either the Master's little sister or/and the Doctor's 1st wife. That would explain why he fled with Susan. Garnny Rani is a bit potty.

  • May 10, 2011, 3:26 p.m. CST

    That should be Granny Rani

    by JPKk

  • May 10, 2011, 3:41 p.m. CST


    by shibleybc

    I Take serious umbridge at the following remark! :P Which is why it's so 'bland'.

  • May 10, 2011, 3:44 p.m. CST

    kelvington.......i agree with 99%

    by shibleybc

    Amy's house is a TARDIS tho :P i have 10 pounds riding on it! :)

  • May 10, 2011, 3:47 p.m. CST

    "The Maggot Hidden in the Overgrowth."

    by shibleybc

    LOL perigee

  • for that plot fix. I totally agree with you. Maybe, you should do that with every episode of Who. Ok, that last part is a joke, but, seriously, I see almost the same plot-holes as the rest of you, but, the production team have a limited amount of time to make a 45 minute-plus movie, to add more to explain or fix something would make it longer time-wise and cost more. Keep in mind, I agree with you about the mistakes, A longer Who episode would be great, but, maybe, because of selling Who over seas, they now try to keep the episodes around 45 minutes and the specials over an hour so that it can run in a sixty-minute and ninety-minute time slot. yes, I know, not the best reason to let the plot-holes keep on coming, but, that's why I understand what some fans are saying, but don't join in on that discussion. I hope I have not ruffled anyone's feathers, it's just how I feel about that.

  • May 10, 2011, 5:58 p.m. CST

    Simon: *facepalm*

    by frozen01

  • May 10, 2011, 6 p.m. CST

    ^ about the "bland" comment :P

    by frozen01

    And that 10 quid is mine :P

  • Everything described below is in this weekend's show. Guaranteed. Blue Peter is a children's show that has been running since 1958. Non stop! It's got a longer record than Who and has had features on the Doctor through the years too many to count. A year or two back they ran a competition for kids to design a brand new Tardis console. The winning design, by a 12-year old called Susannah from Lancashire, England, was picked by a Who production designer, Moffat, a BP exec and Matt Smith. And not only will it feature in the next episode but they've probably made the kid massively rich by releasing a toy version with her fully-credited as the designer on the box. I'm really not joking here! Then they showed filming and an clip from the episode. SPOILER REMINDER Last week's teaser had an apparent Time Lady telling him he was like a kid building a bike in his bedroom. What he/they are actually doing is building a cut-down Tardis from scrap! Which is of course the winning design. The result is two side-walls and a floor with the console, about two-thirds or three-fifths the normal size. The rest is open to space/time. The dialog makes clear that they've built it to follow the real Tardis which is in transit somewhere/somehow with at least Amy inside. In flight, with the time vortex around them and bashing their (time go-cart?) around he tells here the telepathic circuits are open and can she contact Amy? She asks "which one is Amy?" End of clip, end of spoiler. Looks like a really fun episode.

  • May 10, 2011, 6:29 p.m. CST

    shibleybc I'll take that bet!

    by Kelvington

    Seriously I will. I have paypal, and I will "virtually" shake on it. DONE! No way her house is a TARDIS...NONE! I would put as much as TWENTY pounds on it, if you desire. axcel1 - You are welcome, and all those plot holes should have been seen/fixed LONG before they go into production. I'm starting to worry that SM is surrounding himself with "Yes Men/Women", whom like those around Lucas, dare not tell him where he's missing something. The position is actually called "Story Editor" and I'm willing to do that job! If I can't edit your trailers or episodes SM, I'll be happy to fix the plot holes in your stories, before they get out of control. Just like every star exploding at once! One or two lines of dialog would have fixed that too! Because if you don't, then 8.5 minutes after SOL goes, so goes Earth. Just saying...

  • May 10, 2011, 6:36 p.m. CST


    by frozen01

    You keep digging that hole deeper ;)

  • May 10, 2011, 6:44 p.m. CST

    Oh, and who is the Time Lady? ...

    by Corwin_X2

    She is a Time Lady - has to be from the clips, can't see how they could go anywhere else with her character. Somehow escaped the war. She knows him very well, enough to have an exasperated "long-suffering" attitude towards him. And she's not his mother - as he stated in the teaser. How could it be anyone other than Romana regenerated? Not being fan-boish here - just who the heck else fits the bill?

  • May 10, 2011, 6:53 p.m. CST

    The Time Lady is ......

    by JPKk

    "She knows him very well, enough to have an exasperated "long-suffering" attitude towards him." 1. His first wife - Susan's grandmother 2. His first daughter - Susan's mother

  • May 10, 2011, 7:06 p.m. CST

    The Time Lady is ......

    by Corwin_X2

    Yes, they could go right back to the original 1960's back-story. And maybe that is where Gaiman has indeed gone. But to do justice to whatever happened there it feels to me it would have to be a dramatic story - something happened that made the Doctor flee Gallifrey with his grand-daughter. Take your pick from the novels/fanfic. Seeing this latest clip though really suggests it's being played as more of a light-hearted romp. Would they really turn one of the greatest and originally mysteries of Who - what Hartnell was doing in a stolen Tardis with his grand-daughter - into a marital spat? Hope not. Don't forget that Tom Baker and Lalla Ward were lovers in real life while she was his companion and it showed. I'm for them acknowledging that the characters were too - just feels more likely.

  • May 10, 2011, 7:21 p.m. CST

    Doctor Backstory

    by JPKk

    I remember reading a short story in an official Doctor Who magazine ages ago. It related how The Time Lords were having a hissy-fit over the descendent of Rassalon. The Doctor saves the girl - Susan. Somehow the Master was involved, helping, but disagreeing on the plan. I suppose that "official" tale has been ignored or forgotten. I do agree with others who have said they are reluctant to use characters like the mad Monk , Toymaker, Romana , or Rani .

  • May 10, 2011, 7:42 p.m. CST

    But they went back to Sarah Jane, with great success ...

    by Corwin_X2

    ... and a bittersweet ending unfortunately. I'm not arguing forcefully for it being Romana, just seems logical. But I do think there's a difference between companions and, essentially, one-off villians. The Rani and others are old adversaries who might have had a significant story-arc but they were not iconic in the same way as Daleks, Cybermen, The Master, etc. Why bring them back when you have to be a serious fan to even remember who they are. Companions are something different - they were co-stars and every bit as remembered as the incarnation of the Doctor they starred with. There's options there that old and forgotten big-bads don't offer.

  • May 10, 2011, 9:14 p.m. CST

    By the way, the pic above ...

    by Corwin_X2

    I was about 12 when it was taken, had a massive crush on Jo/Katy, and it's likely a very good thing I never saw it at the time. Probably wouldn't have left my bedroom for a week and therapy might have been called for! ;->

  • May 10, 2011, 9:27 p.m. CST

    AH! But in a different timeline, corwin,

    by Perigee

    It was Pertwee who posed for that picture. Wearing only his "I'm a naughty little Timelord, someone should spank me" face. That would really have sent you to a session or two.

  • May 10, 2011, 9:28 p.m. CST

    This face. Right here:

    by Perigee

  • May 10, 2011, 10:05 p.m. CST

    Carry On Doctor!

    by alexander

  • May 10, 2011, 10:36 p.m. CST

    You fell on your coccyx

    by Perigee

    I did not. I fell on my back...

  • or on each subsequent viewing for some reason. First pretty funny, now its making my mind feel just a bit sullied.

  • May 11, 2011, 3:20 p.m. CST

    the dalek and companion, to be clear

    by alexander

  • July 19th the first half of this year's Doctor Who will be released on DVD.

  • a very good thing in my opinion. Still, it would be cool to see Dewi Humphreys getting an episode, just for Neverwheres sake!

  • We may be the only ones.

  • May 11, 2011, 6:07 p.m. CST

    Actually, no

    by frozen01

    I liked it, too. For many reasons. I thought it was funny and a bit touching, and I liked all the different aliens... kind of reminded me of the Fifth Element for some reason. The premise was pretty interesting, too. Kind of social commentary with a smidgeon of an environmental message, without bashing you over the head with it.

  • May 11, 2011, 8:24 p.m. CST

    Hooray, three people liked it!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

    by axcel1

    And, it reminded you of "The Fifth Element" because of the flying cars. Actually, it reminded me of a tv ad shown some time ago with actor Avery Brooks (Spencer For Hire, ST:DS9) asking, "Where are the flying cars? We were promised flying cars by now." I think it was for car insurance. I wonder if flying cars are really possible.

  • May 11, 2011, 8:54 p.m. CST


    by frozen01

    No, sorry, I meant specifically the aliens reminded me of the Fifth Element.

  • May 11, 2011, 9:02 p.m. CST

    axcel1 I enjoyed Gridlock as well...

    by Kelvington

    for a bottle show it was very good. You need a "Gridlock" or "Midnight" once every series or so to not only save money but to remind you how big the series can be.

  • May 11, 2011, 9:33 p.m. CST

    I also enjoyed Gridlock

    by JPKk

    Actually the whole family did. I can see how it reminds people of the fifth element. The Face of Bo bit was well done. Gridlock does remind a bit of something, visiting Toronto.

  • May 12, 2011, 5:43 a.m. CST

    Guess what? I didn't care for Gridlock. :)

    by V'Shael

    The idea that people would get into traffic jams for 30 years, and move at a snails pace, was idiotic. It took a modern trend and extrapolated it to the point of insanity. Then went further. It would be like a scifi story in which the "horse and cart" industry had to deal with the billions of horse manure being generated everywhere. The slightest bit of rational thought tears the whole premise to bits. The highlight of the episode was Tennant reminiscing about Gallifrey. That was very very cool. Shame about the enviro-fan-wank shite.

  • of which we only had to suffer through the shitty cgi crab long shots

  • a little Gilliam/Brazil also i thought

  • Some people didn't like it. I know there are some Who episodes that are less enjoyable than others. I won't which ones they are only because it all a matter of opinion.

  • May 12, 2011, 5:40 p.m. CST

    Shitty cgi crabs??!!!

    by Mister Vertue

    I take it you're referring to The Macra from the classis episode 'The Macra Terror'? And you call yourselves fans. Tut tut. And just for the record, I enjoyed Gridlock. It was a fun romp!

  • May 12, 2011, 6:01 p.m. CST

    just those few long shots men_of_virtue

    by alexander

  • May 12, 2011, 6:03 p.m. CST

    was being nitpicky is all

    by alexander

  • May 12, 2011, 9:22 p.m. CST

    Correction, Rich

    by frozen01

    That should have been: "Ok, big surprise... v'shael didn't like it." ;)

  • I didn't want him to feel all alone out there.

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