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The Friday Docback Enters 'The Tomb Of The Cybermen'!! DOCTOR WHO Story #37, More!! NOW WITH DVD GIVEAWAY!!


via Murray Gold's Twitter stream 



Merrick here...


...with a look at “Tomb of the Cybermen,” a Troughton-era story which transmitted September 1967.  This is the first adventure of super hot companion Victoria Waterfield (Deborah Watling)...
....who joined the Doctor and companion Jamie McCrimmon (Frazer Hines) at the end of the previous episode in the show's chronology - “The Evil of the Daleks.”  Dalek and Cyberman story arcs backed up against each other like that?  How much bliss must that have been?  
But first...
Earlier this week, BBC Home Entertainment and Aint It Cool News announced a special screening of the recently resorted WHO classic "The Three Doctors" at the new Alamo Drafthouse on Slaughter Lane in Austin.  The screening will happen at 1pm, Saturday March 24, and is general admission (first come, first seated) - although a $5 reserved seat meal voucher can be purchased in advance HERE.  
Our original announcement is HERE!
To commemorate this extremely exciting and very cool event, BBC Home Entertainment and Aint It Cool News will be offering a number of prize packs in the weeks leading up to our screening.  Each recipient will  receive all of BBC Home Entertainment's release of classic DOCTOR WHO stories for this month (March).  
These excellent DVDs are loaded with extras and feature resorted image and sound work - the episodes they contain look and sound great, and extras are extremely insightful and informative.  
Here's a list of what's up for grabs, along with BBC's description of each show.  If you miss out this time, they'll be another chance next week.  Friday morning?  I should think so.



For centuries, the disappearance of the Cybermen from the universe has been a mystery. The Doctor, Jamie and Victoria arrive on Telos - once the Cyber home world - just as an Earth expedition uncovers the entrance to a long-lost control centre filled with baffling technology. With the Doctor's help, the archaeological party discovers the last of the Cybermen, frozen and entombed in a vast underground cavern. But by entering the tombs, the humans have sprung a fiendish trap. All around them, the Cybermen begin to rise from the dead.




 The TARDIS, carrying the Doctor and his new companion Leela, arrives aboard a huge sandminer on a deserted world. The small human crew relies almost entirely on robots to carry out their every task and whim while they mine the planet's rich minerals. Suddenly, one by one, members of the team start to disappear. The time travelers discover that someone or something is murdering the crew - but, of course, nobody believes it could be the robots.




 When the TARDIS arrives on a jungle planet, the Doctor encounters two warring tribes, the Sevateem and the Tesh. The Sevateem worship a god called Xoanon and the Tesh are supposedly keeping Xoanon prisoner... But why do the Sevateem call the Doctor the Evil One? And what are the invisible creatures in the jungle? The Time Lord, with the help of a girl called Leela, is about to find out.




 The Time Lords are in crisis. A powerful force is draining their energy into a mysterious Black Hole - and they must recruit the Doctor to save them. But one Doctor isn't enough for this mission. All three of the Doctor's incarnations, aided by Jo Grant and UNIT, must face the wrath of Omega - a fallen Time Lord trapped in a universe of anti-matter, with one thing on his mind: revenge.
How do you get this set?  Between now and 11:59 PM CST USA on Wednesday March 14, I've pre-selected one (1) time of day on one (1) pre-selected date.   Whoever e-mails me at, or closest to, my pre-selected time on my preselected date will win this prize pack.  
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Have fun, best of luck, and thanks so much for your time and support!  
In an episode set in the Old West, written by Toby Whithouse and directed by Saul Metzstein (UPSTAIRS DOWNSTAIRS).  The episode will shoot (has been shot?) in Spain.  
Whithouse previously scripted S5's "The Vampires of Venice" and S6's "The God Complex."  Browder played besieged and accidentally displaced space traveller John Crichton, and more or less took the lead as Lt. Colonel Cameron Mitchell after Richard Dean Anderson diminished his role in STARGATE SG-1.  


"They shall never pass Toberman!  The door is closed!"
- Toberman, ‘Tomb of the Cybermen’ Episode 4 
On the planet Telos in the 25th Century, Doctor and companions Jamie and Victoria encounter a not-particularly-adept archeological expedition which is attempting to gain access to a “Tomb.”  We’re told said tomb could well contain the remains of Cybermen, legendary antagonists previously introduced on the show and something of a progenitor to STAR TREK: THE NEXT GENERATION’s Borg.  The Doctor (naturally and quickly) warns them against this endeavor, but they go in any way.  
Cybermanish chaos quickly ensues, resulting in death, fear, and uncertainty.  This is compounded by the (off screen) discovery that the expedition's ship has been disabled by someone or something, leaving the team marooned in the tomb of the Cybermen for at least 72 hours.  And 72 hours is a long, long time to be trapped in a confined space with Cybermen...
When I first started watching vintage DOCTOR WHO episodes, “Tomb of the Cybermen” was one of the stories many readers insisted I watch.  In fact, as many people told me I should watch “Tomb” as told me I should avoid “The Sensorites.”    These folks were right in both instances. 
(love the dissonant Cybermen theme beginning at 8:18) 
For all of its classic nature, “Tomb of the Cybermen” is, in many ways, hugely and ridiculously imperfect.  A painfully stilted and posturing turn by George Roubicek (who wold later appear in THE SPY WHO LOVED ME and STAR WARS EPISODE IV: A NEW HOPE)...along with a laughably monosyllabic stint by Roy Stewart (who’d later show up in LIVE AND LET DIE, SPACE: 1999, and I, CLAUDIUS) as Toberman...lend an undesirably goofy AUSTIN POWERS vibe to the proceedings.  Fortunately, they’re  eclipsed by the amazing charisma and chemistry of Troughton, Hines, and Walting - all of whom work incredibly well as characters both individually and together.  Kudos to whomever had the foresight to assemble this trio.  I’ve yet to see every Doctor with every pairing of companions, but I imagine this lot will be high among my favorite groups by the time all is said and done.  
A lovely scene in which the Doctor discusses loss with Victoria, whose father died in the previous episode.  
In addition to these two particularly rickety performances and a breathtaking moment of shoddy wire work, “Tomb” is sometimes challenged by a few innate story considerations.  The Cybermen, we learn, had stuffed themselves into stasis after their last appearance on the show -  until someone came long who was 1) capable of finding them, and 2) intelligent enough to decipher the advanced mathematics and encoding required to actually revive them.  
When considering potentially willy-nilly cosmic circumstance and gargantuan time scales, that’s a pretty flimsy design - one fraught with a huge number of possible pitfalls.  Reciprocally, the “grand scheme” of this story - the human-based machinations driving the plot line - are equally as dodgy.  Seems some folks from The Brotherhood of Logicians are involved with this expedition.  The Brotherhood, we’re told, is more or less a bunch of whiney smarty pants from back on Earth.  They’re upset that they don’t have the muscle to impose their way of thinking on global civilization, and they’re on Telos looking to  resurrect these nefarious Cybermen in the hopes of forging an alliance with them...and using them to influence our world’s power structure. 

I haven’t seen many of the episodes leading up to “Tomb,” but I’m not aware of any previous evidence which suggests the Cybermen would be particularly interested in negotiating with anyone about anything.  Cybermen are as single-minded as the Logicians themselves, making the Logicians scheme wholly, well, illogical.   And perhaps that’s the (decidedly unexpressed) subtext of this episode:  that single-minded motivation (the Logicians, the Cybermen) very often leads to tragic and unnecessary downfall.  And proclaiming one’s superiority is, in itself, intrinsically not superior.  A long-standing paradox of existence which confronts us even today.  
As I just spent a few paragraphs raking “Tomb of the Cybermen” over the coals, one may ask: “If it has these kind of problems, how can it be a classic?”  It’s simple:  what “Tomb” lacks in common-sensical conception it more than makes up for in the efficiency of its storytelling and its surprisingly cinematic scope.  “Tomb” offers a quantity of nicely realized location photography (filmed, not video), we see bigger than usual sets here...
...and much of the story is shot with wider and more theatrical angles than we’re accustomed to seeing in many DOCTOR WHOs.  In short, this story feels larger and looks larger, and is often impressive in atmosphere despite the inherent limitation of its budget.   This, coupled with propulsive, cleanly trimmed narrative drive, makes for a surprisingly effective and “no bullshit” romp whose fun factor, and overall vibe, very much beat down the flimsy premises they’re supporting. Respect to director Morris Barry, who’d previously whelmed “The Moonbase”  (Troughton, Story #33) for DOCTOR WHO, and would bring us “The Dominators” (Troughton, Story #44) the following year.  
“Tomb of the Cybermen” is a helluva lot of fun, and represents ton of the very few “classic”/”vintage” DOCTOR WHO I watched straight through (I usually spread them over several evenings).  I didn’t intend to do just grabbed me.  And I’m glad that it did.  
DVDs of the newly restored “Tomb of the Cybermen” look crisp and gorgeous, and can be found HERE in the U.S. and HERE in the U.K. 


Extras include...

Morris Barry Introduction (3:08)
- director discusses casting if Cyber Controller (Michael Kilgarriff), the 'goo' effects that came from a clobbered Cyberman, and getting into trouble for that sequence's graphic nature. 
Title Sequence Test (3:28)
-- Various developmental runs at Troughton-era title sequence.
Late Nite Line Up  (2:51)
-- A short filmed interview with Visual Effects group overboss Jack Kine.
The Final End  (1:21)
-- BBC designer Tony Cornell's 8mm behind the scenes footage provides a sense of how the ending of "Evil of the Daleks" would've looked.  This episode preceded "Tomb" and was largely lost in BBC purge of early episodes.
-- "The Face of Evil" (T. Baker, Story # 89).
The Lost Giants - the Making of Tomb of the Cybermen (26:50)
 a new production team 
Insight from...
-- Shirley Cooklin (Kaftan)
-- Victor Pemberton (Script Editor)
-- Frazer Hines (companion Jamie McCrimmon) 
-- Bernard Holley (Peter Haydon)
-- Deborah Watling (companion Victoria Waterfield)
the casting
-- Peter Day (Visual Effects Designer)
-- Michael Kilgarriff (Cyber Controller) - discusses frustrations that his character's "pulsing" brain was not evident on-screen
-- Deborah Watling discuses that she hated the Cybermats because the effects people used to torment her with them and remote control them to chase her around the set.
on location
-- Frazer Hines (companion Jamie) reveals that the Doctor mistakenly taking Jamie by the hand to lead him into the tomb was a gag privately engineered  between Troughton and Hines to circumvent a somewhat  humorless director.
-- discusses on-set physical effects and stunt work (fighting).
The Curse of the Cybermen's Tomb (14:26)
Sir Christopher Frayling (Emeritus Professor of Cultural History, Royal College of Art) and Dr. Debbie Challis (The Petrie Museum) draws comparisons between events in "Tomb of the Cybemen" and Howard Carter's real life exploration and discovery of King Tut's tomb in 1922. Examines how other real world events shaped this story.  
Cybermen Extended Edition  (32:25)
Matthew Sweet (writer / historian) discusses the development and history of the Cybermen in DOCTOR WHO, evaluating what makes them as unnerving and memorable as they are.  
Magic of VidFIRE (5:58)
VidFIRE = Video Field Interpolation Restoration Effect.  A look at the detailed, time consuming, and remarkable restoration process which brings us the sharpest and most visually sound DOCTOR WHO video material from the "classic" era.  
Sky Ray Advert  (:32)
A popsicle commercial from the era - looks amazing when seen here, restored.  
Photo Gallery (3:25)
-- Radio Times Listings
-- Walls Sky Ray Promotional Materials






"The Impossible Astronaut"

"Day of the Moon"

"The Curse of the Black Spot"

"The Doctor's Wife"

"The Rebel Flesh"

"The Almost People"

"A Good Man Goes To War"

"Let's Kill Hitler"

"Night Terrors"


"The Doctor, The Widow and the Wardrobe" (2011 Christmas Special)  



"An Unearthly Child" (Story #1)

"The Daleks" (Story #2)

"The Edge of Destruction" (Story #3)

"Marco Polo" (Story #4)

"The Keys of Marinus(Story #5)

"The Aztecs" (Story #6)

"The Sensorites" (Story #7)

"The Sensorites" (Story #7 - full DVD release) 

"The Reign of Terror" (Story #8)

"Planet of Giants" (Story #9) 

"The Dalek Invasion of Earth" (Story #10)

"The Rescue" (Story #11) 

"The Romans"  (Story #12) 

"The Web Planet" (Story #13) / SHERLOCK - "A Scandal in Belgravia" (Story #4)

"The Crusade" (Story #14) 

"The Space Museum" (Story #15) 

"The Chase" (Story #16) 

"The Time Meddler" (Story #17) 

"Galaxy 4" (Story #18) 

"The Gunfighters" (Story #25)

"The Colony in Space" (Story #58) 

"Day of the Daleks" (Story #60) + Preview of the DotD Special Edition

"Invasion of the Dinosaurs" (Story #71) and SHERLOCK: "The Reichenbach Fall" (Story #6) 

"The Android Invasion" (Story #83) and SHERLOCK: "The Hounds of Baskerville" (Story #5) 

"The Talons of Weng-Chiang" (Story #91)

"The Sun Makers(Story #95)

"The Awakening" (Story #131)

"Frontios(Story #132)

"The Caves of Androzani" (Story #136) 

"Time and the Rani" (Story #144)

"Paradise Towers" (Story #145) + New WHOvian Documentary / Newsbits


Merrick's Personal Journey With The Doctor (How Merrick Got Hooked On DOCTOR WHO)

DOCTOR WHO Title Sequences & DW At Comic-Con 2011

"The Crash of the Elysium" (Manchester version - interactive DOCTOR WHO adventure)

Why Eccleston Left, Here Comes Caroline Skinner, And Season/Series Six Part 1 on Blu-Ray And DVD

New Trailer For Season/Series Six Part 2



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  • March 9, 2012, 12:47 p.m. CST



    Do I get the giveaway?

  • March 9, 2012, 12:49 p.m. CST

    They better get more Americans for that Wild West story


    I can't sit through another DALEKS IN MANHATTAN

  • March 9, 2012, 12:50 p.m. CST

    christian_bale_trashed_my_lights - disqualified!

    by Mister Vertue

    Due to the fact that this is a SECOND Doctor story. Otherwise you'd have won. Sorry.

  • March 9, 2012, 12:53 p.m. CST

    One of my favourite vintage episodes

    by Mister Vertue

    And coincidently, it happens to be one of Matt Smith's favs too. So there you go. As an aside, that new casting is pretty nice, isn't it?

  • March 9, 2012, 12:58 p.m. CST

    Flawed but enduring

    by KanekoFan

    The first time I saw "Tomb," I must admit that I didn't altogether care for it. Oh, I ADORED the Doctor's speech to Victoria about the place of our lost loved ones in our memories, but some of the plot problems you've pointed out, and the at times incomprehensible take on Cyberman voices this time out, simply annoyed me too much. It probably didn't help that the friends with whom I watched it were more given to derision of the weak points than praise of the strengths, and their responses likely colored mine. Later, when I showed the story to my girlfriend, I went into it with a cheerier attitude, and she went into it with a totally open mind, and - although the Cyberman voices annoyed the hell out of her, and I a few times had to pause it so that I could give her my best guess at what had just been said - it was the little character moments, and the effective atmosphere and sense of credible threat that really stood out. Too bad about Captain Hopper's atrocious American accent, though...

  • March 9, 2012, 1:06 p.m. CST




  • March 9, 2012, 1:06 p.m. CST

    Rumoured Easter episode

    by Mister Vertue

    I can't really see that happening, can you? That's not to say we won't be seeing a few bits and bobs popping up online to tide us all over until the Autumn, but a full tv episode? Nah. There's honestly not enough hours in the day to add an Easter episode into the schedule. Keep those eyes peeled though, especially around convention time. If we all stay glued to the net and post everything here, I doubt we'll end up missing much. 'Does your granny always tell you that the old songs are the best?' ARGH! Sorry. Cabin fever.

  • March 9, 2012, 1:08 p.m. CST

    I Love That Bit Of Trivia About The Casting


    Deborah Watling discuses that she hated the Cybermats because the effects people used to torment her with them and remote control them to chase her around the set.

  • March 9, 2012, 1:11 p.m. CST

    I've Just Started Watching COMMUNITY


    And I love the fact that INSPECTOR SPACETIME is a real programme in that show's universe. Would be funny to see one of the actors from COMMUNITY appear in WHO!

  • March 9, 2012, 1:15 p.m. CST

    Music for this "Spaghetti Western" episode needs

    by Michael_Jacksons_Ghost

    To mimic Ennio Morricon's music. The episode cold be called "The Doctor, the bad, and the Chumblies".

  • March 9, 2012, 1:21 p.m. CST



    They have now been mentioned. This talkback will now implode. Blame Michael_Jacksons_Ghost. What a chumblie bastard!

  • March 9, 2012, 1:25 p.m. CST



    The 'M' was exterminated by those pesky Daleks!

  • March 9, 2012, 1:58 p.m. CST

    Tomb of the Chumbliemen, er, Cybermen

    by DoctorTom

    I didn't start it, but I'm willing to continue it. Yes, there were some logic gaps here and there, but I agree that the performances of the regulars helped pull this through. Then again, I can't really fault the Cybermen's plans for not necessarily being what you'd expect from a supposedly logical group. Given their plans and the logic they've used in stories before and after this, it's actually fairly consistent. I think the Doctor Who universe uses wibbly wobbly logic as the standard.

  • March 9, 2012, 2:01 p.m. CST

    So, tomorrow's giveaway -

    by DoctorTom

    is it giving away copies of a Whotininnies podcast? An mp3 recording of Glen's favorite fart machine gags? The notes they've made for preparation for a Whotininnies broadcast? (I suspect not this...who needs prepared notes when you can show up with the fart machine and the soundboard?)

  • March 9, 2012, 2:02 p.m. CST

    As We're Currently On The 11th Doctor, I Suggest That The 11th Poster In This TB Gets The Giveaway.


    Now hold on whilst I find out who made the eleventh post here...

  • you can start counting Richard Hurndell, then if you want Rowan Atkinson, Richard Grant, Jim Broadbent and Joanna Lumley, Then you can include Peter Cushing. That gets you to the 17th post.

  • March 9, 2012, 2:32 p.m. CST

    You forgot Hugh Grant doctortom


    So we need to add one more there. Therefore, the 18th poster should get the giveaway.

  • March 9, 2012, 2:40 p.m. CST

    I think... we should have to do interpretive dance.

    by Perigee

    CONTEST RULES: Video yourself doing an interpretive dance representing your favorite Doctor Who Doctor, Companion, or Villain. Points will be awarded in the categories of: CREATIVITY (10%) GRACE (10%) INTERPRETATION (10%) PERSONAL EMBARRASSMENT (70%) ...Just so the winner Truely deserves the win.

  • March 9, 2012, 2:43 p.m. CST

    My Submission Will Be Up On YOUTUBE Tomorrow


    I will be dressed as the Kandyman, doing the robot dance whilst singing "Sweet dreams (are made of this)". Vote for meeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee!

  • March 9, 2012, 2:49 p.m. CST

    Like this - but better:

    by Perigee

  • March 9, 2012, 2:58 p.m. CST

    I was thinking I'd do the Noah Wyrrn Transformation.

    by Perigee

    All I need is 60 cans of ~Barrel O Slime~ I wanna do Jazz Hands with slime. Look all anguished and stuff, pull up my arm - WAAAH!! JAZZ HAND!! Hm... Musical Accompaniment... Al Hirt - The Green Hornet..?

  • March 9, 2012, 2:59 p.m. CST

    The Land of Fiction

    by Mister Vertue

    Didn't anyone spot the Doctor and Amy Pond name-dropping this in their recent promos? I'm shocked that nobody has mentioned this yet. I thought the Docbackers would have been all over that!

  • Vicki and Dodo are pretty cute, Polly has her moments too, but Victoria's like "damn", let's get the dads interested in this show too (this trend continues!) I love how Doctor Who was so blatant in its sex appeal. The old special effects might be completely amateur, but there's space aliens, time travel, clever dialogue, and a hot chick. Is there anything else you need?

  • March 9, 2012, 3:02 p.m. CST

    Someone ever threw a Bieber reference in there

    by Mister Vertue

    Sheesh! What more do you want?!

  • March 9, 2012, 3:05 p.m. CST

    *even threw

    by Mister Vertue

    This writing malarky isn't easy, is it?

  • March 9, 2012, 3:07 p.m. CST

    Recent promos?


    Have I missed something? Which promos are these?

  • March 9, 2012, 3:09 p.m. CST

    The Land of Fiction - Absolutely no clue...

    by Perigee

    Zoinks...Must go investigate. Sounds like a HAT parade might be in order...

  • March 9, 2012, 3:10 p.m. CST

    Whotininnies? Notes?

    by Ken Plume

    You're kidding, right? Does ANY of that sound prepared? If we prepared, we might actually sing on key. Or not sing at all. THAT'S what preparation does. BTW, my Twitter-friendly summary for Tomb of the Cybermen: An illogical logical archaeological team on a barren world intent on waking a host of Cybermen ignore the Doctor's warnings & Jamie's kilt.

  • Nope, I don't think you really need anything else other than those items listed, assuming that the Doctor falls into the category of 'space alien', which I think we can all agree that he does. Got to have some eye candy for the mums eh? And the daughters too. And a few dads and sons as well.

  • March 9, 2012, 3:17 p.m. CST

    Ken Plume

    by DoctorTom

    I thought you might be amused by the mention of Whotininnies and notes at the same time. I think preparation would take away from the charm, though. I LIKE having the beginning going on for several minutes before running the opening credits song - it's kind of like getting the pre-credits teaser in a Doctor Who episode now. I'm just waiting for the time you do the Monty Python's Flying Circus bit where you get into the podcast for an hour before running the opening song, then having the closing song just a few minutes later.

  • March 9, 2012, 3:19 p.m. CST

    Ooooh, set pictures from Spain!

    by DoctorTom

    Bleeding Cool has some new pictures from on location. And Matt Smith's getting to wear a hat! And ride a horse! Oh, the couple of pictures near the bottom might be seen as spoilers.

  • March 9, 2012, 3:24 p.m. CST

    DoctorTom - Pythonesque

    by Ken Plume

    We'll go one better - We'll just natter on for 2 hours and never start the show. Consider it done.

  • March 9, 2012, 3:25 p.m. CST

    MOV -So...

    by Ken Plume

    Eye candy, eh? So Kandy Man IS returning. Can't wait to see him riding a Gummi horse.

  • March 9, 2012, 3:43 p.m. CST

    Still waiting to find out about these 'recent promos' featuring references to The Land Of Fiction


    *Crosses arms and refuses to move until someone explains*

  • March 9, 2012, 3:43 p.m. CST


    by DoctorTom

    I'd love to have a 2 hour Whotinninies podcast without the show starting. You need to see if there's something in the Guinness Book of World Records for longest amount of time for a show running before it starts.

  • To dream the impossible dream and all that stuff.

  • March 9, 2012, 4 p.m. CST

    Sounds Like Xmas...

    by cosmic_dolphin Mov's house. I think ' A Christmas Carol' was fantastic and the best of all the Christmas Specials so far, it had a magic to it that just lifted the whole thing to new heights. We all sat and watched it over again on Boxing Day. It's become a family tradition in our house to all gather round for Dr Who on Christmas Day. Last Year's was very good also. How about we call this year's ' The Cryon , the Skith & the Chumblie '

  • March 9, 2012, 4:23 p.m. CST

    Tomb of the Cybermen - On batteries: I seem to recall...

    by obijuanmartinez

    ...just as with the early Dalek episodes (where they run out of juice if they zoom about too long they need a recharge; and in fact in the Cushing movies, the Daleks were like mass transit trains, and had to be in continuous contact w/ a suitable metallic conductor, so they couldn't leave their city on Skaro...), the early Cybermen had only a limited battery life before they had to go recharge (much like the Borg, and their regeneration cubicles!)

  • March 9, 2012, 4:26 p.m. CST

    I read the book when the episodes were missing

    by INWOsuxRED

    I really liked the book. Elements of both the Borg and Aliens in there. Watching the episode requires lots of suspension of disbelief and some patience, but it was still fun to watch.

  • March 9, 2012, 4:37 p.m. CST

    The logic puzzles to get into the tombs

    by DoctorTom

    for some reason when I saw this I was struck by the similarity to having the logic puzzles to break into the Pyramid holding Sutekh. I'm sure a HAT could be developed to link the Cybermen with Horus and the Osirians, but I'm not convinced it's worth it.

  • March 9, 2012, 4:48 p.m. CST

    Tomb of the Cybermen

    by HornOrSilk

    Yes, it is flawed. But it is flawed because they are trying to do something with Cybermen: they are mummies. They have been embalmed in metal. So, of course, one must follow the Mummy and do something with it -- making it fun as many classical Doctor Who stories ending up being semi-pastiches of classical horror stories. Add Troughton and Jamie (sorry, Victoria is not that good, it's Jamie who is the strong one with the 2nd Doctor; not saying Victoria is bad, just she is no Jamie), add excellent atmosphere and film techniques (for tv) and you have it made. There are weaknesses. Some of them, however, do connect with what we see of the Cybermen in other stories (I won't say too much to spoil those connections). The Cybermen really do seem to be always on the brink of their doom, and so they do seem to do all they can do to return -- even tricks like this. And I do think we saw an excellent addition to this at the Pandorica... but that's something else. All in all, this is an exciting, if flawed story. It is easy to watch it -- the pacing is just right. However, it's not the best of the 2nd Doctor. The best we don't have.. but thankfully we do have this!

  • March 9, 2012, 5:17 p.m. CST

    I'm still waiting for an 11th Doctor story with Geronimo

    by tangcameo

    If he's going to keep saying the guy's name he might as well meet him! "Geronimo!" "Yes, that's me. What do you want?"

  • March 9, 2012, 5:19 p.m. CST

    Land of Fiction references...

    by Andy Buckle

    I think the promos in question are to do with the "Doctor Who:Script to Screen" competition currently running. For those who aren't sure what this is, it's a contest for children in British Primary schools (aged 9-11) to write a three-minute script for a Doctor Who adventure. The winning script is filmed and broadcast on British TV! Last year's winner was "Death Is The Only Answer", which was shown on the late, lamented "Doctor Who Confidential." There are lots of teaching resources no the BBC website, including the Land of Fiction clip. It's all really good stuff, and I've used it in class both years. The children have really enjoyed it and get a lot out of it. Plus, I get to geek out at work - this year I wore my 11th Doctor costume! We're currently prepping our entry and we've got to get a move on as the closing date is a week today!

  • March 9, 2012, 5:26 p.m. CST

    ON the BBC website...

    by Andy Buckle


  • March 9, 2012, 5:41 p.m. CST

    christian_bale_trashed_my_lights - sorry should have clarified!

    by Mister Vertue

    As gland_of_omega correctly stated, I was referring to the 'Script to Screen' promos that were recorded for Blue Peter. Here they are: Hopefully those links will work for anyone who hasn't seen them already!

  • March 9, 2012, 5:46 p.m. CST

    gland_of_omega - Script to Screen

    by Mister Vertue

    I'll head off to bed with a smile knowing that we have a teacher out there who uses the BBC resources in the classroom as well as dressing as the Doctor. That's what it's all about! By the way, don't forget to keep the emphasis on the 2012 Olympics to stand a chance of winning! I'm guessing that's going to play a major part in deciding the winning entry. Probably.

  • March 9, 2012, 6:09 p.m. CST

    Oh, and regarding spoilers

    by Mister Vertue

    I think we're going to have to be extra careful when posting spoilers from now on. Apparently there's been quite a few pictures leaked online and in the tabloids over the past week or two, so let's be sure to differentiate between what's been officially released and what's been leaked unofficially. If you're not sure how to decide, have a quick check on the official BBC Doctor Who websites, and if you don't see it mentioned/pictured there, then it's probably not official yet! And this wasn't aimed at anyone in particular, just a quick mention to remind Docbackers not to ruin anything for those of us who wish to remain unsullied!

  • March 9, 2012, 6:11 p.m. CST

    Oh, and DW Magazine counts as official too!

    by Mister Vertue

    Okay, bedtime now!

  • March 9, 2012, 6:40 p.m. CST


    by vadakinX

    I don't think it's set pictures we need to worry about. Frankly I think somebody has been looking at the damn scripts. Seriously, every single season since the relaunch, the details of the finales have appeared online months in advance. Daleks, Daleks and Cybermen, The Master, name it, it's gotten out there long before the episodes were broadcast. I can understand certain things being given away due to pictures taken while shooting on location, Davros was filmed entirely on sound stages yet we (and by we, I mean people like me who read spoilers) knew of Davros well in advance of that season even beginning. With that said, I think the Moffat run has been somewhat more secure when it comes to arcs and finales. Things have been found out of course but since Moffat is doing a multi-season arc, I guess it's easier to keep things quiet since many of the pieces won't be in place until a season or 2 down the line.

  • March 9, 2012, 6:46 p.m. CST

    The Doctor really meets Asterix this season?

    by HornOrSilk

    And he is the big bad? What?!

  • March 9, 2012, 6:56 p.m. CST

    @doctortom: Logic puzzles similar to those in 'Pyramids of Mars' in...

    by obijuanmartinez

    The city of the Exxilons in 'Death to the Daleks' (in fact, I believe Sarah even reminded the Doc the puzzles in the Pyramid of Horus reminded her of that adventure) And who could forget the Master using the Cybermen to trigger the death-grid game in 'The 5 Doctors': "Try it's as easy as PI!"

  • March 9, 2012, 6:58 p.m. CST

    If I have failed to say THANK YOU lately, Merrick

    by gotilk

    Let me say it now. Thank you! Thank you for the DocBacks and the attention you give to it, as well as Whotininnies. You're the best!

  • March 9, 2012, 6:59 p.m. CST


    by gotilk

    is the best podcast in the Universe (known and unknown). No pressure.

  • March 9, 2012, 7:16 p.m. CST

    Thanks for the reminder, man_of_vertue .

    by gotilk

    It's so easy to get carried away. :) Have a great weekend.

  • March 9, 2012, 7:17 p.m. CST

    That MOV


    I was confuzzled!

  • March 9, 2012, 7:18 p.m. CST

    I meant 'Thanks' not 'That'



  • March 9, 2012, 7:33 p.m. CST

    Doctor Who's never really helped it self with spoilers though...

    by dj_bollocks

    Simple marketing says that if you promote that the Daleks are going to be on Doctor WHo this week the you might get a bump in the ratings... When the Radio Times spoils it for you 2 weeks in advance by a front cover, what are you going to do... Let's not forget, most of the Dalek stories had Daleks in the title, and that not in anyway suprise reveal/cliffhanger at the end of the first episode... Such are the pressures of ensuring a decent rating, unless you live in a whole it's very hard to avoid spoilage these days... In fact if you can you should be commended for it !

  • March 9, 2012, 9:01 p.m. CST

    What would've made this story better

    by Kauzi Sezso

    apart from special effects (but it's 1967, and you really shouldn't be watching Doctor Who for the sfx), would be Zoe instead of Victoria. I like the actress and thought she, Jaime, and the Second Doctor had good chemistry, but the writers never really seemed to know how to use the character of Victoria well. But Zoe was fantastic! She was a smart, capable female companion in an era when female companions mostly twisted their ankles and screamed "Doctor!"

  • March 9, 2012, 9:18 p.m. CST

    Very cool about Browder

    by Rebel Scumb

    Always enjoyed him on both Farscape and Stargate, and scifi actors gotta stick together!

  • March 9, 2012, 9:20 p.m. CST

    WOW I really like that girl's cover the 'mad man with a box' theme

    by Rebel Scumb

  • March 9, 2012, 10:11 p.m. CST


    by I am_NOTREAL

    I read the Target book when I was a kid, and I have ALWAYS wanted to see this. To date the only complete Troughton I've seen is "The Krotons" and that's...well...hmm.

  • March 9, 2012, 10:47 p.m. CST

    dj_bollocks - What is needed is some subterfuge.

    by Perigee

    Announce Episode 7 as "Advance of the Daleks"; Wheel a Dalek around a quarry for a day; Take a few promo photo of Smith in a Napoleon hat next to a Dalek... ... And then, Episode 7, "Advance of the Daleks," is aired - and it's about super-intelligent lemurs.

  • March 10, 2012, 2:50 a.m. CST

    by Koschei

    The Cybermen as everyone knows them now are very different to the Cybermen as they first appeared in the '60s, and not just in physical design. I love Tomb of the Cybermen because it's just a fun, scary piece of Doctor Who (I can still remember how exciting it was when they rediscovered all four episodes of Tomb in Hong Kong in the early '90s), but the only time the Cybermen were ever interesting was probably in The Tenth Planet... they weren't just about conquering shit, they were desperate and freakish, medical abominations with bizarre eunich-like voices. It's kind of a shame that they got turned into stock-standard robots after that.

  • March 10, 2012, 3:03 a.m. CST

    John Chumbly

    by veteran_of_mu

    Of course the film's original title was John Chumbly of Mars. Based on the famous novel, A Chumbly Of Mars. But seriously, despite AICN's carpet-bombing approach to reviewing this flick, it is worthy of Whovian attention. Lots of pulp implausibilities and Taylor Chumbly really doesn't carry the lead, but the film is so Frazetta-gorgeous and Lynn Collins is so perfect a Dejah Thoris (the Chumbly of the original book title) that you can easily forgive all that. The main thing for us is that here is a movie that sparkles with intellect and romance over brute force and cynicism. And shapeshifters. There's no time travel involved - happily - and nothing all that challenging by way of plot points. No HATs about this one. It is just a lovely and lively romp that will excite your sense of wonder. The CHUD review at does a vastly better job than any of the aicn guff at discussing the film's structural strengths and weaknesses. Frankly it puts every AICN review put together into the shade and should be an object lesson for AICN black-boxers on what they're doing *WRONG*. The one thing I'd add to it is that the ending fails to capture the wistfulness it really should have done. Imagine if the end had been like the amazing Rod Taylor Time Machine - ~all the time in the world~ ending. If the Burroughs character had been almost killed by a Thern and had to explain himself to the incredulous lawyer, the latter insisting that JC was truly dead. A long pan on the crypt ending with the words Inter Mundos, and then cut to black - plus a memorable music theme to end it - that would have made a certain franchise of it. And so easily! I have to say I hope there will still be a franchise. Doesn't look good at this point, but the story so deserves it. Anyway, FWIW, I suggest you go along and see it. Pick a 2D cinema - the 3D adds nothing and detracts much - don't expect a lot and let the good bits blow you away. Especially Willem Defoe as Chum Chumbly ...

  • March 10, 2012, 3:12 a.m. CST

    Hmm. And if they'd foreshadowed ...

    by veteran_of_mu

    Instead of the Mars prologue a pan through a cemetery lingering on various grave inscriptions, dearly missed by, rest in peace, in the arms of chumbly, etc, winding up with Inter Mundos and then into the Victorian sequence. Stanton's TED talk on this ( is worth watching too - if only for the fact that he so obviously violates his own excellent story telling principles. I smell studio executive committees ...

  • March 10, 2012, 3:49 a.m. CST

    Tomb has one of my all time favourite moments

    by V'Shael

    in Who, when the Doctor is talking about his family and how they're dead.

  • March 10, 2012, 6:13 a.m. CST

    So the question of the day

    by HornOrSilk

    What's My Bodyguard doing here?

  • March 10, 2012, 6:47 a.m. CST

    Thanks, MOV

    by Andy Buckle

    I try to slip a bit of Who-related tomfoolery into different lessons when I can. So far this year I've managed some maths and science as well as Script-to-Screen. The merry band I teach are at the lower end of the competition age range and are still developing as writers, so found the three-minute script challenging. I'll still enter one, but think it's more about the taking part for us. We had fun with it - imagine 35 little tykes doing the Cyberman stomp, or as Weeping Angels in full-on feral mode. Scary stuff. I'm getting rather excited about the Official Convention, especially as I managed to get a place on one of the Tardis Tours - not long now! Still debating as to whether I should wear my 11th Doctor outfit or not.

  • March 10, 2012, 9 a.m. CST

    @hornorsilk - Not sure what 'The Bodyguard' is doing here meself!

    by obijuanmartinez

  • March 10, 2012, 9:12 a.m. CST

    My Bodyguard

    by Merrick

    About a whimpy smart kid who drafts a big bad tough guy to protect him & influence his lot in life. Which = TOMB OF THE CYBERMEN.

  • I host the Q&As for Monster-Mania, ( and I'm off to talk to a bunch of guys about stuff. I get to ask Alex Winter about the Bill And Ted sequel, stir up Prowse's hatred of Lucas, and have a foolie with Miri. See ya'll on the other side - if anybody says anything useful, I'll letcha know.

  • March 10, 2012, 9:53 a.m. CST

    Alcatraz just began in the UK

    by PhGeekPete

    Don't let it end this way...

  • March 10, 2012, 9:54 a.m. CST


    by Michael_Jacksons_Ghost

    Have fun at MM, and say hey to Dave for me.

  • March 10, 2012, 10:38 a.m. CST

    Don't for-get that greayt Ah-merichan Pylot in

    by Disgruntled_Chinaman

    Tomb of the Cybermen, he was tops!

  • March 10, 2012, 11:24 a.m. CST

    Typical AICN competition

    by Denty420

    It's a show from the UK, yet the UK (as well as the rest of the world) are excluded from entering. Oh, well.

  • March 10, 2012, 12:18 p.m. CST

    @perigree: Go easy on Prowse! I have a...

    by obijuanmartinez

    ...90s Vader figure he autographed "DAVE PROWSE IS DARTH VADER" He's frightening in his mania at points, but I feel bad for the guy!

  • March 10, 2012, 12:20 p.m. CST



    Unless you're a regular Docbacker then, well, I guess you're okay.

  • March 10, 2012, 12:22 p.m. CST

    Anyone Want To Win A Mazda MX-5 Miata With The License Plate "MERR1CK"?


    Email me at the time and date closest to the one I'm thinking of and it's yours! Only available to UK readers.

  • March 10, 2012, 1:15 p.m. CST

    Don't complain about the contests...really!

    by HornOrSilk

    1. This is an American site 2. I am sure AICN would have UK competitions if the BBC gave them things to use 3. The BBC has ALL kinds of competitions we Americans can't participate in

  • March 10, 2012, 1:25 p.m. CST

    Re: contests

    by Merrick

    What hornorsolk said.

  • March 10, 2012, 1:33 p.m. CST

    Yeah, let's not complain about US only competitions

    by Mister Vertue

    Fans in the UK get a much better deal than anyone else when it comes to exclusives with Doctor Who. Do you know that BBC employees can't enter *ANY* competitions no matter where in the world they live? Now *THAT* sucks.

  • March 10, 2012, 1:37 p.m. CST


    by gotilk

    So happy to read that someone else here is watching Community and getting some enjoyment out of Inspector Spacetime as I am. Isn't it fun? The guy that plays the part has a YouTube (easy to find) and he posts some fun stuff here and there. I hope the animated Community mini-episodes include some Inspector Spacetime bits. I'm having a blast watching all of the old Community episodes I'd missed the first time around.

  • March 10, 2012, 1:48 p.m. CST

    Just be glad you don't live in China

    by Mister Vertue

    Unless you do, in which case, why are you here?!

  • March 10, 2012, 1:52 p.m. CST


    by Ken Plume

    Wouldn't it be a bizarre turn of events if Ken was actually able to fly into Austin for the upcoming Who screening? And he began talking about himself in the 3rd person? Curiouser and curiouser...

  • March 10, 2012, 2 p.m. CST

    Not complaining but.....

    by St-Jammy

    Would be good to have the beeb do some of these show in the UK. I'm 25 and while I do remember a few of the old Baker and Pertwee episodes being shown on BBC 2 when I was a young'un I couldn't say I have a vast knowledge of earlier series. Wouldn't even mind if they just did reruns late at night on Dave.

  • March 10, 2012, 2:26 p.m. CST

    That would beg the question, Ken

    by DoctorTom

    of whether Ken would be showing up in the vicinity of Glen AND a fart machine for the upcoming Doctor Who screening, with things ready to record a podcast.

  • March 10, 2012, 2:31 p.m. CST


    by Merrick

    The thought of brining the fart machine to the screening had never occurred to me. But now that you mention it...

  • March 10, 2012, 2:35 p.m. CST

    My Bodyguard - Whatever happened to Chris Makepeace?

    by tangcameo

    He did Meatballs, My Bodyguard, had a lacklustre kids show on CBC then kind of vanished. Saw him once on some documentary about the making of Meatballs but that's pretty much it.

  • March 10, 2012, 2:36 p.m. CST

    Glen -

    by Ken Plume

    That's it. Ken has changed his mind. Not going. Definitely not going now. YOU'VE RUINED IT FOR EVERYKEN.

  • March 10, 2012, 2:36 p.m. CST

    tangcameo "at" -vs "art"

    by Merrick

    "at" was intended, not "art." Thanks for the catch.!

  • March 10, 2012, 2:40 p.m. CST


    by Merrick

    *** "That's it. Ken has changed his mind. Not going."*** Considering "Ken" keeps referring to himself in the third person, perhaps it's for the best?

  • March 10, 2012, 2:41 p.m. CST

    I miss Farscape and Doctor Who on SPACE

    by tangcameo

    It's all Stargate and Star Trek now. And Syfy-llis creature features on the weekends. I miss when CHUM used to run it. Now it's CTV's and they're on the cheap.

  • *sigh*

  • March 10, 2012, 3:14 p.m. CST

    Glen - Ken

    by Ken Plume

    Ken is confused by your statement. Ken is also hungry. No... wait... Still confused.

  • March 10, 2012, 3:20 p.m. CST



    COMMUNITY is a great show! I burnt through every existing episode in around two and a half days. Really loved the episode with the multiple timelines; that was both awesome and funny at the same time. I assume that the guy behind COMMUNITY is a DW fan, otherwise it probably wouldn't have appeared in the show. I'd definitely like to see more appearances from Inspector Spacetime show up!

  • March 10, 2012, 3:21 p.m. CST



    Okay, good point. I hope you North American readers enjoy your prizes. Feel free to send them to me if you don't want them.

  • March 10, 2012, 3:29 p.m. CST

    @christian_bale: there's a lot of UK stuff we don't get to see here

    by tangcameo

    Not until weeks or months or years later. Or not without a freakishly expensive cable tv package. Or not without illegally downloading. I wish BBC iPlayer was a little more generous here in Canada. Maybe we'll come up with an only-outsid-US AICN contest eventually.

  • March 10, 2012, 3:33 p.m. CST

    Nude self-portraits in macaroni and glitter

    by gotilk

    are NEVER a waste of time, period.

  • March 10, 2012, 3:34 p.m. CST


    by gotilk

    The timelines episode is absolutely my favorite, with the Claymation Christmas episode right behind it.

  • March 10, 2012, 4:01 p.m. CST


    by DoctorTom

    for some of the UK stuff, an NTSC/PAL DVD player that can read all regions can be your friend. I picked up the 3 seasons of Misfits, Life on Mars/Ashes to Ashes, a couple of seasons of Blakes 7, etc that way, and will be getting Dirk Gently when it is released.

  • March 10, 2012, 4:56 p.m. CST

    @doctortom Now if you can just reprogram the BBC iPlayer!

    by tangcameo

    Actually someone told me a way to reprogram a North American DVD player to play all regions but that was like 5-10 years ago. I'm not sure if it still works.

  • March 10, 2012, 7:14 p.m. CST


    by gotilk

    It can still be done, but varies from model to model. Best way to find out is to google your product's model number and the words *region free* in quotes.

  • March 10, 2012, 7:15 p.m. CST


    by gotilk

    Just do a search for region free player and buy one of the ones that either come region-free or can be made so for sure after purchase.

  • March 10, 2012, 7:16 p.m. CST

    Nude self-portraits in macaroni and glitter

    by gotilk

    also do not go over well at craft fairs.

  • March 10, 2012, 7:17 p.m. CST

    Deborah Watling is stunningly beautiful.

    by gotilk

    Why here name does not come up as often as others when discussing favorite Doctor Who beauties is a mystery.

  • March 10, 2012, 7:59 p.m. CST

    I wouldn't put her any higher on the scale than "cute"

    by veteran_of_mu

    Well ... cute with nice rack.

  • March 10, 2012, 8:47 p.m. CST

    Qwicky Convention Report

    by Perigee

    OK - for what it's worth, the info from Monster-Mania: michael_jacksons_ghost: Dave was - and I didn't think it was possible - more preoccupied this show than any other show I've worked with him in - and that's 20 conventions. The turn-out was incredible though shoulder-to-shoulder, and apparently Friday was similarly stacked. Anthony Michael Hall: An Incredibly gracious guy. No real news, but his biggest fan was a young man with Downs Syndrome, who believed he was his Dead Zone character, and wanted him to hold his hand and tell his future. Hall took his hand and told him he would have a wonderful life. An Awwww moment. Alex Winter: Is Still pushing his remake of The Gate. He's optimistic to film this year... but he's been trying to get the thing on film since 2009, so I wouldn't get too worked up about it yet. He does have it well envisioned, down to what he wants in practical FX vs CGI... still... Similarly, the Bill and Ted sequel has a script, but no deal. The only thing he would tip is that the loss of George Carlin as Rufus is handled well, in a way that satisfies the script, Winter and Reeves, and Carlin's family. Nicholas Brendon: Fun guy. For those of you who are Criminal Minds fans, expect his recurring character, Kevin Lynch, to propose to Garcia - SOON. Kim Darby: The young star of Star Trek TOS's Miri (Episode 8) was not familiar with the series, and ~didn't understand... at all~ what they were doing with Leonard Nimoy's make-up. And Nimoy took the character Very Seriously. She did, however, develop a massive crush for Shatner ~a real, pace-the-floors adoration~. So, score another one for Kirk. David Prowse: A lovely, gentle man in a lot of pain. He personally disagrees with Lucas' retro-genesis of the Vader character, believing that Anakin should ~have started bad, and just got worse.~

  • March 10, 2012, 8:58 p.m. CST

    Oh., And...

    by Perigee

    If you're a True Blood fan, expect Kristin Bauer's vampire character Pam to become more fleshed out over the next season.

  • selectable scenes where you could see (in black and white) the Matt Smith Doctor peering around corners, looking worried as if things are about to go off course. Then, do a 50th anniversary story where we get to see it from the Matt Smith point of view. Yes, it's along th lines of the Deep Space 9 episode, but even with the new Blu Ray releases of Star Trek I don't think they have the option to select to see Sisko and the like in the Trouble with Tribbles episode. Doctor Who could have scored a coup here. (And, unlike George Lucas releases, the DVD would preserve the option to see the show as it originally was if you want your Tomb of the Cybermen Matt Smith-free.)

  • March 10, 2012, 9:18 p.m. CST

    Perigee, glad you enjoyed!

    by Michael_Jacksons_Ghost

    Dave is the man, I give him mad props for putting together some really good shows, while maintaining his sanity! I will be attending the Spooky May-Ham con in Orlando coming in May. Alex Winter I talked to last year, and he said that if B&T3 actually gets made, and makes bank, he will use the money he makes from that to put into The Gate. I have yet to meet Prowse, but if I do, I will have him sign my Clockwork Orange 1-sheet.

  • March 10, 2012, 9:20 p.m. CST


    by Michael_Jacksons_Ghost

    AICN should have a section for upcoming conventions, and have certain con-goers report back about q&a's, other bits. I think it would be cool.

  • March 10, 2012, 10:50 p.m. CST

    hornorsilk, and Merrick

    by Denty420

    1. Yes, I agree, it's an American site - with a large number of readers from the UK. Make competitions open to all your visitors - a few extra dollars for postage won't hurt, now, will it?<br> <br> 2. That's not my problem. Deals between AICN and the Beeb are their own business. It's unfair on foreign visitors to restrict competitions to only one sector just because AICN and the BBC don't appear to have an active working relationship.<br> <br> 3. That may be true, but it's not just restricted to the Beeb. The vast majority of AICN's competitions are open to North American entrants only. Kinda makes the rest of the world (remember them?) feel left out, you know?<br>

  • March 10, 2012, 11:26 p.m. CST


    by Merrick

    *** Deals between AICN and the Beeb are their own business. It's unfair on foreign visitors to restrict competitions to only one sector just because AICN and the BBC don't appear to have an active working relationship. *** BBC is comprised of a number of disparate entities and subsets. With this contest, we are dealing exclusively with a BBC entity which services North America. BBC in UK has yet to engage us. Should this ever happen, I'd be more than happy to offer a contest to folks outside of North America (the Titan Books contests I sometimes run permit global participation, by the way). AICN can't be held accountable for how another organization is structured. It should be noted that there are a NUMBER of UK services and contests we can not enjoy here in the United States. The issue truly cuts both ways. For example: I can't order DOCTOR WHO toys from BBC UK's shop because they won't ship to the U.S. Or see BBC iPlayer programming because it is region-locked. Many AmazonUK sellers won't ship their goods outside of the U.S. (same with eBay). There are several Blu-ray titles I'm desperate to have but their region will not display on my Blu player. The list goes on. ** Make competitions open to all your visitors - a few extra dollars for postage won't hurt, now, will it? ** Such parameters are never determined by AICN and are spelled out clearly by whomever is providing the prizes we're working with. Every organization has its own policies, which have been established for their own set of marketing, contractual, or logistical needs and reasons. ** Kinda makes the rest of the world (remember them?) feel left out, you know? ** See above. My genuine *hope* is to someday be able to offer more prizes to global contest participants. But that matter is determined by a number of factors (only a few of which are outlined above) and the matter is not as simple as it seems. Fingers crossed.

  • But I was watching Castrovalva and realizing how long it's been since we've been truly DEEP in the TARDIS. There's something fascinating about huge, complex structures. I'd love to see what the Moff would do with an episode that took place only on the TARDIS. Not just the console room, but deep places within as well. Funny episode, too, Castrovalva. Great introduction. I'm wondering though. When does Jimmy play Freddy, his magic flute? Oh wait that's Adric. ROFL!! Now I finally realize who that little twerp reminds me of...

  • March 11, 2012, 4:12 a.m. CST

    Why do we live in a universe where Doctor Who gets erased

    by gotilk

    and HR Pufnstuf looks as if someone spent millions restoring/preserving it? *sigh*

  • March 11, 2012, 4:24 a.m. CST




  • March 11, 2012, 4:39 a.m. CST

    @doctortom - How about a Dead Men Don't Wear Plaid Doctor Who 50th

    by tangcameo

    Do a 11th doctor story with clips from the original series, taken out of context and put into the context of the 50th anniversary story.

  • March 11, 2012, 4:40 a.m. CST

    I repeat...

    by gotilk

    there is NO SEX in the Zero room.

  • March 11, 2012, 4:41 a.m. CST


    by gotilk

    Me too. I'd like it to be in the shape of a Cyberman head. Or a banana.

  • March 11, 2012, 4:44 a.m. CST

    11th doctor wandering around his own TARDIS...

    by tangcameo

    "Oh yes this is definitely the grand dining room" He opens the door and its the bog. And a green glowing bog at that. Rory sighs "thank god" and walks in and 'zip' but The Doctor stops him. "Ya that's not a bog. In fact its carniverous" Rory runs out and slams the door shut on it.

  • There's a line in it about "seven lords of time". I'm wondering if she wrote it sometime before 2005 and finally included it in her Night of Hunters album.

  • March 11, 2012, 5:49 a.m. CST

    tangcameo .. quite possible...

    by gotilk

    And she has a lovely but creepy video/film for the track as well. And in parts, she's looking very Helen Mirren Morgana. (from Excalibur) So much so that I think it might have been intentional. Especially her eyes.

  • March 11, 2012, 5:55 a.m. CST


    by ElPaw

    Sometime this year or next, BBC iPlayer is expanding to allow worldwide access, if you pay a subscription

  • March 11, 2012, 5:57 a.m. CST

    Tori Amos - My spare Kat Bush

    by Perigee

    No insult intended, either; since Kate seems to take a decade to churn something out, Tori releases are always welcome. And the TARDIS Needs a Wonkatainia.

  • March 11, 2012, 5:57 a.m. CST

    tangcameo. wow.

    by gotilk

    That really is a beautifully composed, arranged and performed piece. On classical label DG as well. Thanks for sharing. I think I have a new album to buy now. I bet it sounds amazing on CD. She hasn't sounded this fresh and odd in years. Very cool.

  • March 11, 2012, 5:58 a.m. CST


    by gotilk

    That's great news! Thanks!

  • I love 'Battle of Trees' which turns a circus-ish piece of classical music and turns it into a fantasy piece. Plus her and her daughter on 'Job's Coffin'.

  • March 11, 2012, 8:52 a.m. CST

    I am bored this morning no more. (teeny, tiny spoiler possible)

    by gotilk

    I say spoiler ONLY because it may be considered a slight spoiler to mention that The Master is a part of *The King's Demons*. This is a little silly, however, since his appearance very early on in *disguise* (ROFL.. Mmm hmm.. lol) is completely obvious, as it almost always is. After Castrovalva ( I could have sworn that was a district of San Francisco) I started watching *The King's Demons* which so far has some great writing and performances. Whoever said Anthony Ainley's Master varied widely in quality of performance was spot-on. He's been great in all of the Peter Davison episodes I've seen. Not as much over-the-top melodramatic, as he's known to sometimes be. Unless my perception of all of this is changing somehow. I like his Master quite a lot! I never did mention that I finally finished Stephenson's Snow Crash. While it did start to get on my nerves somewhere in the middle, it picked up at the end and I actually ended up really liking it as a whole. My only remaining criticism is that it felt like the end was rushed and lacking some resolution I hoped for. Now I'm moving on to The Diamond Age and putting a few other books on hold to do so. Anyone else read that one? Liked it? Loved it? I love the idea of a post-scarcity society and it seems like he's approached it in a unique and unfortunately (somewhat spoiled for me) realistic way. Ever wonder what the consequences of a Star Trek replicator would have on the real world and economics? What if everyone could afford one? How about the effect it would have on the first generation of young people to have them? This is addressed in The Diamond Age, as is the reemergence of *tribes*, from what I've been told. So I'm looking forward to that. Anyone else reading anything interesting? My appetite for fiction has become insatiable. Have a great day, DocBackers. Oh and one more thing.... Whotininnies?

  • March 11, 2012, 8:54 a.m. CST


    by gotilk

    Wow, Battle Of Trees IS great. Thanks again.

  • March 11, 2012, 9:32 a.m. CST


    by Denty420

    Valid points, fair enough. Wasn't trying to troll, merely wanted to address the issue. Thanks for explaining.

  • March 11, 2012, 9:37 a.m. CST

    @gotilk: Fun Plagues

    by veteran_of_mu

    A friend spent a couple of years as a programmer at CalTech. Not a student, mind - you need basically perfect grades and then some to get in - but he did get to go to some very unusual colloquia. One was organised by the head of the microbiology department and involved just about every name and every concerned spook who hovered around the joint. Its subject was, "How come the human race hasn't been wiped out by an evil microbiology undergrad yet?" One of the more disturbing presentations was a doddery old prof who'd heard a couple of his undergrads joking about ~fun plagues~. ~Wouldn't it be fun,~ said one of them, ~if around about next summertime everyone on Earth began glowing in the dark like our engineered frogs do? Or turned blue or something?~ His mate chuckled and joined in a discussion of what kinds of genes would have to be spliced into the common cold to do something like that. The prof's presentation was met with a profound quiet - and disquiet. And apparently it was very far from the most troubling nugget presented on the day. So ... if we had replicators ... I should say, given the pace of progress in molecular nanotech, when we have replicators ... security is going to be the hardest thing. On the other hand would it really matter to you that you were killed by the macro equivalent of a fun plague if, ganger like, you could be resurrected from a recent backup? That question may not be hypothetical for very much longer. Speaking as an engineer with a professional interest .... a generation, tops.

  • March 11, 2012, 9:46 a.m. CST

    Dave Prowse

    by Johnboy40

    Dave Prowse used to own a house round my way, when I were a nipper. Our parents told us that Darth Vader lived there (cos we were to young to understand the concept of acting. It were all real to us) We had a kids game called knock down ginger. It involved knocking on someone's front door, or ringing the doorbell, and then running away.(not beating up redheads ). Mr Prowse's door used to get the treatment every day, it seemed. Don't know if he ever answered it tho. We used to be terrified that we would get force choked if we got caught.

  • I'm sure you read Bill Joy's famous article that the world stopped to read in April, 2000. Why the future doesn't need us, by Bill Joy: I would say I'm in agreement with about 85 percent of what he says in that article, but with a little more optimism. I think that security will develop and become complex exponentially as we go forward. Maybe not as much as the technology that it will protect us from, but really it doesn't need to. While we may have 1.3 million innovations a year in Nanotech in 25-30 years, the right security system needs only to protect us from Nanotech itself, not it's varied branches and sub-branches and applications/hybrids. A friend of mine suggested that at some point we will need a *Reality Off-Switch* to be used in dire emergencies in order to shut down things on a nano-scale, planet-wide. But then there's speed of replication, the speed of detection, etc. I guess what I'm saying is that I think some people wrongly suggest that Nano-security has to clear the same hurdles as Nanotech itself. I would say if there was a scale with Ray Kurtzweil on one end and Bill Joy on the other, I would be right about in the middle, leaning a bit in the Kurtzweil direction. Most because I think optimism isn't just ideal, it's appropriate. I think the chances of an alien ship making the centurial rounds in our solar system stopping at our planet in 100 years and quipping : *Welp, I'll be darned. The blue dot turned out to be another grey goo loser.* .. are pretty low. You know? Stephenson is suggesting that once everyone has a replicator, and it becomes pointless to *buy* things anymore (except art, which i think will keep economics alive, ironically), we will become a world of spoiled brats and our attentions will turn to social economics rather than monetary/trade. We're right on the edge of that already in some ways, at least at the beginnings of it. That's how I understand it from what I've been told in regard to Stephenson. I'll start reading The Diamond Age later today. *FUN Plagues??* Yikes. And yes I agree. A generation away. Scary, yet exciting. They say that the hardware isn't the issue when it comes to strong A.I. and nano applications in the real world. It's the software that will be the real challenge. When people talk about a fear of felf-replicating bots, nano-bots, etc, I kind of giggle a little. I mean, it has to be taken seriously. But what we should really worry about, in my opinion, is self-replicating programs, agents, A.I. ... Code that codes. That's going to be exciting and a little scary. I know it's happening in its infancy, but when strong A.I. can replicate itself and spread with not only our blessing, but out enthusiasm? Watch out. Have you see the latest in teaching programming? There's a game that teaches you how to code. It's a first - person shooter. You shoot javascript and unityscript. Your hosts are Ada Lovelace and Charles Babbage and your quest is to write your own game, in the game. Code Hero: It's starting. Look out. Hack the planet indeed.

  • March 11, 2012, 10:59 a.m. CST

    @gotlik: Check out Dan Simmons' "Hyperion" series, it...

    by obijuanmartinez

    ...was excellent (and won Hugos) On the world called Hyperion, beyond the law of the Hegemony of Man, there waits the creature called the Shrike. There are those who worship it. There are those who fear it. And there are those who have vowed to destroy it. In the Valley of Time Tombs, where huge brooding structures move backward through time, the Shrike waits for them all. On the eve of Armageddon, with the entire galaxy at war, seven pilgrims set forth on a final voyage to Hyperion seeking the answers to the unsolved riddles of their lives. Each carries a desperate hope—and a terrible secret. And one may hold the fate of humanity in his hands...

  • March 11, 2012, 11:25 a.m. CST


    by gotilk

    Thanks! Sounds like something I'd love.

  • March 11, 2012, 11:47 a.m. CST

    gotilk - have you read Tim Powers?

    by DoctorTom

    He has a new one coming out Tuesday: Hide Me Among the Graves. They took his novel On Stranger Tides and butchered it up to make it fit their requirements for the last Pirates of the Caribbean movie. If you haven't read him, two good novels to start with are The Anubis Gates (which involves time travel and is dealt with slightly differently), and Last Call (dealing with the Fisher King and is set in Las Vegas).

  • March 11, 2012, 11:48 a.m. CST

    Moffat and Gatiss' Sherlock: The Animated Series

    by DoctorTom

    well, someone has done opening credits for them if they ever decide to do it:

  • March 11, 2012, 11:49 a.m. CST

    @gotlik: A few more quickies off the top o' my head...

    by obijuanmartinez

    * The original 6 @ Frank Herbert "Dune " books (5 & 6 are what I'd consider the BEST sci-fi books I've ever read); make sure you steer FAR clear of the KJ Anderson / Brian Herbert Dune stuff - atrocious fanboy garbage made w/ less than half the intellect of the originals: Reads like bad 'Star Wars' fanboy fiction - Wait, that's b/c one of the biggest producers of SW fanboy fic is KJA! * Robert Jordan's 'Wheel of Time' series (if you like Tolkien / George RR Martin, this'll be up your alley) * Anything by Neil Gaiman, William Gibson, and Terry Pratchett (Discworld, especially)

  • March 11, 2012, 12:01 p.m. CST

    Now, if you want to go old school classic, Gotilk

    by DoctorTom

    The Amber series by Roger Zelazny. If you haven't read this yet, you have a moral imperative to go read them. They've got both series (2 series of 5 novels - shorter than novels are nowadays - in one trade paperback). If Zelazny were alive today I'd want him writing for Doctor Who. I might be wrong, but I think Neil Gaiman cites him as an influence.

  • Ultimately, it doesn't pay off! In fact, the best book of the series is the 4th installment, 'Wizard & Glass', which basically is a coming-of-age, road trip tale (if you like 'The Goonies' & 'Stand By Me', this'll do...) that gives the story of what made the series' protagonist, Roland Deschain of Gilead, last of the Gunslingers (think Clint Eastwood, gene-spliced w/ samurai, then cross-pollenated w/ King Arthur), the merciless force of nature he ultimately becomes as an ageless wanderer across the centuries. Damn, it would've been cool to at least see some test-footage of Javier Bardem as Roland, or even a script-reading. So sad it'll probably never see the light of day...

  • March 11, 2012, 5:23 p.m. CST

    Amen to Zelazny. Also thanks for the pointer on code hero!

    by veteran_of_mu

    Reply in detail later.

  • March 11, 2012, 6:49 p.m. CST

    Proposed New Who plots? Merrick, MOV, anyone?

    by Red43jes

    Anyone ever heard of plots that may have gone to the wayside since the show has come back? Was just thinking about someone whom had posted plots that didn't happen (but were considered) while Tom Baker had his run...would be an interesting read to see ideas that didn't make it, as well as stories...

  • March 11, 2012, 6:54 p.m. CST

    Speaking of Who...

    by Red43jes

    The universe is BIG, WHY are we so earthbound these days? Surely the Doctor wants to see other planets than earth-meaning that we seem to be on earth an awful lot these days...

  • March 11, 2012, 7:10 p.m. CST

    @gotlik @obijuan: Ya Dark Tower turned out to be another BSG/Lost

    by tangcameo

    Great series but with an ending that makes you go "ugh!" and "argh!" My favourite was the third book The Wastelands. It had the most magic and that "turn of the universe" feeling - synchronicity and cosmic connections. If you can find the unabridge audio read by Stephen King, I really reccomend it. As he reads it you can hear that he knows the whole story, the whole turn of his Dark Tower universe.

  • ...eras - Stretch forward, and you get Colin Baker's 'Attack of the Cybermen' (in some ways, the direct sequel to 'Tomb') where we return to Telos to find the Cyber-Controller alive & well, and in possession of a time-ship he plans to use to avert the destruction of Mondas, the original homeworld of the Cybermen; then backward to the Hartnell story 'The 10th Planet', which deals w/ the events leading up to the Cybermen's first encounter w/ Earth and the destruction of Mondas...

  • March 11, 2012, 10:04 p.m. CST

    Sad sad day at Casa de Morbius ...

    by DrMorbius

    Rose Tyler is gone ... Now it's on to the search for Series/Season 3. Also for anyone interested in such things, on AICNs homepage or at node 54208 you can view the 1/6 scale Amy Pond (toy)? Although a Doctor Who newbie, I still peruse these threads a lot of the time and enjoy many of the stories, comments, suggestions, e.t.c. Hola e Adios Docbackers.

  • March 12, 2012, 2:30 a.m. CST

    Living Spam

    by veteran_of_mu

    I have nothing against AI. Mind is mind, and the substrate is just phylogeny. And this … all of this has happened many times before. The only reasonable reason that we haven't been eaten by someone's long lost grey goo is that there must exist a blue goo to keep it in check. Yep, I am applying the anthropic principle to technology. The galaxy is many stellar generations old. We just woke up. If nanotechnology is possible for us, the Krell, or whatever they called themselves, did it long ago. It must be everywhere by now. Or perhaps I should say it must be everything by now. This is why I have long supported SITI - the Search for Intra Terrestrial Intelligence. Forget the telescopes, focus all the world's electron microscopes on the same clot of Earth and look for nano-artifacts. They're there - or we couldn't be here.

  • March 12, 2012, 2:34 a.m. CST

    Hey, Who Turned Off The Lights?

    by veteran_of_mu

  • March 12, 2012, 2:41 a.m. CST

    Those are some massive Daleks...

    by gotilk Huge!

  • March 12, 2012, 2:42 a.m. CST

    You people are the best.

    by gotilk

    So many great suggestions. I will check as many out as possible.

  • March 12, 2012, 2:47 a.m. CST


    by gotilk

    SITI. Yes, there ya go. The infinitely small as important as the infinitely huge. Or the same as.

  • March 12, 2012, 8:58 a.m. CST

    Dirk Gently reminder

    by DoctorTom

    the 2nd episode of Dirk Gently is supposed to show tonight, with a script by Matt Jones (the Impossible Planet/The Satan Pit)

  • March 12, 2012, 5:01 p.m. CST


    by gotilk

    That first episode of Dirk Gently was really fun, looking forward to the second. Are there really only 3 this year?

  • March 12, 2012, 5:24 p.m. CST

    Gotilk - yes

    by DoctorTom

    They only announced 3 episodes, and I know that they're sticking to this because Amazon UK lists the DVD set for the season (plus the pilot) coming out on March 26 - the Monday after the last episode of the season shows. I enjoyed the first story. I have to say, though, that given the choice of 3 Dirk Gently episodes and 6+ episodes of Misfits, or 3 episodes of Misfits and 6+ of Dirk Gently, I'd rather go with the 3 episodes of Dirk Gently and 6+ of Misfits. Bob Overman, Moffat - it seems to be a recurring pattern now that if you're doing running 2 shows, the second show will have only 3 episodes a season.

  • March 12, 2012, 6:54 p.m. CST

    Arrg. The end of all things tomorrow.

    by Perigee

    Tomorrow's train ride brings "The Wedding of River Song," and the last of the new series until... whenever. Bleah. I've loaded up Tom Baker as a stopgap. Maybe I've gotta downconvert Sherlock...

  • March 12, 2012, 7:28 p.m. CST

    Official spoiler etiquette rules

    by DoctorTom

    We should remember this during filming and when we get to see new episodes:

  • I should have 4 new Doctor Who DVDs, AND The Adventures of TinTin DVD showing up tomorrow (as well as a new Tim Powers novel). Plenty of Doctor Who and Steven Moffat goodness.

  • Thanks for the heads-up. Are the 3 episodes original stories or based on Douglas Adams' two Dirk Gently books in anyway?

  • Says the pilot has elements of the first book and it's the pilot plus 3 episodes.

  • I could be wrong, but, I think it was broadcast a year ago.

  • March 13, 2012, 8:18 a.m. CST

    Dirk Gently - the facts

    by V'Shael

    The pilot episode aired over a year ago, and was quite entertaining, but essentially was a very limited version of the first book. (Gordon, Richard, Susan, etc..) No Electronic Monks and what not. The series, this year (first episode broadcast last week, second episode was last night) doesn't follow directly from the pilot, nor is it a remake of the pilot. The best you could say is its inspired by the pilot, and features Richard and Dirk as partners in a detective agency, and there are very loose connections to the novels. It's more a procedural with comedy elements, than the madcap sci-fi/fantasy/detective story that the novels were.

  • March 13, 2012, 8:44 a.m. CST

    That's right, axcel1

    by DoctorTom

    the pilot was around Christmastime 2010 (not the actual day, but the latter part of December that year if I recall right). As V'shael says, it takes some elements of the first book. No Electric Monks , no Professor Chronotis (by that name). It does use the strands of the missing cat and the disappearance of the millionaire Gordon Way. I suspect that there might have been an edict on production to not use the parts of the book that Douglas Adams recycled from Doctor Who episodes that he wrote (since those seem to be the big things missing). I also think it was more limited because you're dealing with a BBC4 budget, not a Doctor Who budget. (I know budgets are much tighter on BBC4 - someone in the UK (MOV? Sam, if you're still reading these?) might be able to tell us what the typical budget of a BBC4 show is compared to the budgets for classic Doctor Who (adjusted for inflation), but I suspect that relatively speaking it's a fraction of the old series' budgets, and possibly close to being the same budget (unadjusted) that the show had to work with in the 1960's. Bob Overman, showrunner/creator of Misfits, is the showrunner for the series. He wrote the pilot and the episode last week. Obviously, the pilot did well enough where a 3 episode season was picked up. I don't know if the 3 episode season is because of budget cutbacks not allowing a full 6 episodes, or if Bob Overman's work on Misfits only gives him the time to oversee 3 episodes worth of series for this.

  • March 13, 2012, 10:18 a.m. CST


    by gotilk

    Fascinating! Overman has some real range on display there. He seems able to do just about anything.

  • March 13, 2012, 3:51 p.m. CST

    Sherlock season 3 shooting schedule set

    by DoctorTom

    Unfortunately, the schedule says it won't be filming until early 2013. This means that we won't see it broadcast before summer 2013. That's a ways off, but it's about the wait time we had between seasons 1 and 2.

  • I will be checking out the pilot plus the 3 episode series (season). Geeeeeeeeeeeee, I'll need something to watch from the UK since no Who for another, what, 5 months? I also have to watch, Being Human (UK), The Fades, go back to watching Primeval, I hope the Canadian spin-off starts soon. (Yes, I know some of you think it's a little too cheesy, Which I disagree with, but, everyone has the right to their opinion.)

  • Noone is wrong, just less right than me!!!!!!!! LOL Just kidding, well, maybe.

  • March 13, 2012, 4:41 p.m. CST

    Axcel1, have you watched Misfits?

    by DoctorTom

    Quite simply, it's the best superhero series ever made, because the main group of people are having to perform community service when they get their powers, and it has some of the funniest bits I've seen in a tv show. It hasn't shown in the states, but the episodes have been posted on Hulu. (I think they might have all of season 3 up now - the season that just showed this year).

  • March 13, 2012, 5:10 p.m. CST

    doctortom, I have heard of the show............................

    by axcel1

    Maybe I'll go to hulu and check it out, thanks.

  • (My title for it, not the shows.) The only new thing is a "galactic-villain-cyborg-gunslinger guy" who is NOT Ben Browder, I think. The rest of them are mostly Matt, Amy, and Rory smiling at the camera.

  • Evidence seems to be pouring in that the beautiful British actress (and former Tenth Doctor David Tennant's ex) Sophia Myles may/could be the next lady to assume the role of Matt Smith's Eleventh Doctor's faithful companion. She's either in the third episode or in another episode also being filmed in Spain. Or, not, remember, it's just a rumor right now.

  • March 13, 2012, 8:27 p.m. CST

    Lily Cole!

    by Perigee

    Naww. But it would be nice; she can just float along, singing light opera, turn red when The Doctor peeves her off, and do her flamethrower thing at The Silent MIB-BEMS. Plus, she got all nekkid at some point. I just found that out now. It was an unexpected but pleasant surprise.

  • March 13, 2012, 8:46 p.m. CST

    axcel1 RE: MISFITS!

    by notspock2

    get thee to HULU now if it's on there.- that show is out and out brilliant,- it took me a couple of episodes to warm to it, but dear science- it's hilarious. There's also something about superpowers going on apparently, it's hard to pay that close attention when i am doubled up with laughter.

  • Either Tomorrow or on the weekend.

  • March 14, 2012, 3:29 a.m. CST

    Something tells me

    by HornOrSilk

    Amy and Rory go out in a return story to -- the DreamLord.

  • March 14, 2012, 3:30 a.m. CST

    I remember rumors a few months back that Sophia was returning

    by HornOrSilk

    And not as a new character.

  • March 14, 2012, 5:54 a.m. CST

    Amy's Crack == Romana's Crack?

    by veteran_of_mu

    Dreamfasting pointed this out in the non-Docback (and for people of my vintage that's an innuendo ...). I've never actually sat through City of Death - which is weird since I thought I'd seen all the TB eps and I'm an Adams completist like everyone and I really dig Lalla Ward - but even with everyone here boosting it I just can't get past the first episode. But apparently there's a crack in a clock in a picture of Romana in it. Here: And that crack looks almost exactly like Amy's crack. Or at least so very similar that I don't even want to call it a HAT. I'm tempted call it a retcon ... but I don't think it's one of those either. I think it's a docdamned arc - a really, really long game. Two parts of the Whoniverse that should never have touched ... pressed together. Adams on one side, Moffatt on the other. What do you think?

  • March 14, 2012, 9:11 a.m. CST

    axcel1 , Wasn't that Ep rumoured to be called

    by cosmic_dolphin

    The Gunslinger or something along those lines. If it's as good as Red Dwarf's Gunmen of the Apocolypse I'm in.

  • March 14, 2012, 1:13 p.m. CST

    Not to be confused w/ the 1966 Hartnell story "The Gunfighters"...

    by obijuanmartinez

  • I gave it my own title as a point of reference and as a joke. I think "The Gunslinger" would be a great as the name of the episode. (On a side note, if this is Amy and Rory's last time on Who, as is also rumored, I hope they don't die, can't they just go home?)

  • IN a recent interview, Steven Moffat all but said the Ponds won't die. All Right!!!!!!!!!!!! repeat after me everyone, "THANK YOU, JESUS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!"

  • March 14, 2012, 4:02 p.m. CST

    Axcel1 - rule #1

    by DoctorTom

    The showrunner lies. I wouldn't read too much into it. Remember, he was treating River Song as still alive in the computer in the Library, so they could still die but be around. I suspect that you're right, though. My guess for what's going to happen though is that Amy gets pregnant again, and one Timehead baby is enough. Either that or we see her give birth (Timehead baby or not), probably by the Doctor dropping the Ponds off at their place, jumping ahead a few months and being there for the baby. Amy will realize she can't travel with the Doctor any more because she wants to actually raise this child herself, and there will be a heartbreaking scene for her saying goodbye to the Doctor, telling him he better keep in touch and him promising to do so. (Maybe this way the Ponds will leave but you could still have a Christmas special with the Ponds later on if they felt like going that way.)

  • March 14, 2012, 4:12 p.m. CST

    @Doctom - that's heartwarming, not tragic

    by veteran_of_mu

    According to MOV a certain showrunner was staining the script pages with tears. Unless that showrunner is considerably more maudlin than the one who wrote TGWW, I don't think we're looking at a happy families kind of wrap up. Besides which Rory is the Master. ;-)

  • March 14, 2012, 4:31 p.m. CST

    Caractuspotts - it depends

    by DoctorTom

    maybe the stress of having two timehead babies means she'd die from exposure to the time space vortex again, even if in the TARDIS. She'd realize that she couldn't have the opportunity to travel with the Doctor any more.

  • Nobody dies in a Doctor Who story Steven Moffat writes. Oh, and, doctortom, I agree with the last part of your post, I think something not cool happens which causes them to say, "We can't do this anymore, Doctor". God, I'm going to miss them.

  • Nobody wants Amy and Rory to die, well, except Karen Gillan, but, she doesn't count!

  • Rory is not The Master. Rory is really Adric! Oooooooooooooooooooo, bet that gave you a chill

  • March 15, 2012, 1:17 a.m. CST

    Adric was almost the Master

    by veteran_of_mu

    If Matthew Waterhouse'd stood on Anthony Ainley's mark by accident and no one noticed until it was too late and the budget was already blown. Fact!

  • March 15, 2012, 4:45 a.m. CST

    No Sherlock filmed till 2013...

    by cosmic_dolphin

    According to the Moff's Mother-in-Law (OBE)

  • March 15, 2012, 5:02 a.m. CST

    Axel1......Rule No.2

    by cosmic_dolphin

    I wouldn't say nobody dies, they do die but Moff does it in a way so that there is still some part of them still alive to communicate with...which is probably creepier than just plain old killing them off. Blink had the letter delivered by a dead characters grandson moments after we just saw her alive, Silence in the Library had the Data ghost and the people who'd been 'saved' into the computer , Time of Angels/Flesh and Stone had Bob who'd been killed but part of his conciousness used by the Angel to communicate , A christmas Carol kept it's Character frozen so she wouldn't die. I think there's a bit of a pattern there and I imagine there'll be some of this type of dead but not absoloutely gone forvever type twist when the Ponds leave the show....Oh and why do we call them the Ponds and not the Williams's ??

  • March 15, 2012, 9:08 a.m. CST

    Adric and the Master

    by DoctorTom

    Adric wanted the Master. Watch the scenes in Castrovalva where Adric's in the Master's bondage device - Adric's happy to see him. Adric was heartbroken later when he found out that the Master only wanted him for his mathematics.

  • March 15, 2012, 9:31 a.m. CST

    Axcel1 - rule #2

    by DoctorTom

    Actually rule #2 isn't true. Plenty of the Church Army were killed by the Weeping Angels in The Time of Angels/ Flesh and Stone, not to mention Octavian dying. We saw the Silent in the White House blowing up the woman in the bathroom. Silents were gunning down (with lightning) troops in The Wedding of River Song. There were plenty of redshirt Silurian deaths in A Good Man Goes to War, as well as Lorna Bucket and Commander Strax (I won't count Jack the Ripper's death as it was just alluded to by Madame Vastra). So, these are plenty of examples of actual deaths and not just the *yeah, but* kinds of deaths such as River Song's first/last death at the Library.

  • With the exception of Karen Gillan, and, she doesn't count, nobody wants Amy and Rory to die. Oh, and, little known fact, (at least, I think it is.), did anyone know that originally, just before the Key To Time season (series), Elisabeth Sladden was asked back as Sarah Jane, but, she couldn't do it because of prior committees, I just found that out.

  • But you people here, the regulars and the ones that pop in from time to time, are really wonderful, intelligent people. I'm so happy to be any part of these DocBacks, on any level. I have discovered so many wonderful things here, and now my reading list is frustratingly long (a good thing). I'll be forever grateful to you all.

  • I had thought it was JN-T looking to do something with her in the last Tom Baker season, after they couldn't get Leela back.

  • March 15, 2012, 5:05 p.m. CST

    Red shirts on DW

    by veteran_of_mu

    Tom, all the deaths you mention are incidentals - characters introduced in the same episode where they died. The closest we've seen to a genuinely affecting death was Rita in TGC. But she was still a Red Shirt. But if and when Rory the Master drowns Amy in Sexy's pool, that would be a shirt of another colour. Shirts, hats, what is it with me and clothes?

  • I was looking up "THE ROBOTS OF DEATH" and "THE FACE OF EVIL", just to remind me what I would be getting when I buy the DVDs, but, I looked up the next one and the next one, and, the next one, until I got to "The Key To Time" season (series) and found that little tidbit of information.

  • Former 10th Doctor David Tennant is willing to do it; Sylvester McCoy, who played the seventh incarnation of the Time Lord, wants to do it, too; and current 11th Doctor Matt Smith has already expressed a desire to get as many old Doctors back as possible for the show's 50th anniversary—even though Fifth Doctor Peter Davison doubts it'll ever happen. But you can absolutely forget Christopher Eccleston ever making an encore appearance as the Ninth Doctor. Now let's move on to better news, shall we? Paul McGann, who played the dashing and romantic Eight Doctor (he was the first one to snog his companion) confirms he is more than up/ready/willing for a return to Doctor Who. So, if we get what we usually get in an anniversary special, we know WHO will return as the Doctor. But, what about past companions?

  • March 16, 2012, 8:46 a.m. CST

    Caractuspotts - a few points on the red shirts

    by DoctorTom

    First point - Commander Strax wasn't a red shirt. Yes, he was only in for the episode, but he isn't just one of the nameless minions who always buy it in Star Trek episodes. Second point - the claim is that *nobody dies* - that would include red shirts. The rule isn't *nobody who gets name checked in the credits dies*, it's nobody at all. But, your mention of redshirts reminded me that John Scalzi has a new novel coming out in June titled Redshirts: A Novel With Three Codas. I'll post the blurb for the book below because it sounds interesting: ***** Ensign Andrew Dahl has just been assigned to theUniversal Union Capital Ship Intrepid, flagship of theUniversal Union since the year 2456. It’s a prestige posting,and Andrew is thrilled all the more to be assigned to theship’s Xenobiology laboratory. Life couldn’t be better…until Andrew begins to pick up on thefact that (1) every Away Mission involves some kind of lethalconfrontation with alien forces, (2) the ship’s captain, its chiefscience officer, and the handsome Lieutenant Kerensky alwayssurvive these confrontations, and (3) at least one low-ranked crew member is, sadly, always killed. Not surprisingly, a great deal of energy belowdecks is expendedon avoiding, at all costs, being assigned to an Away Mission.Then Andrew stumbles on information that completelytransforms his and his colleagues’ understanding of what thestarship Intrepid really is…and offers them a crazy, high-riskchance to save their own lives. *** I know Scalzi's a good writer, so I suspect that this will be good. This is more a warning shot across Gotilk's bow (so to speak) that by the time he gets through all the other recommendations we've given him, we'll probably have read this and be able to also recommend this one.

  • but it will be like his appearance in The Next Doctor or The Eleventh Hour - a mental image or a hologram projection or something like that where they can use some previous footage of him.