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The Friday Docback Loses Its Head For "The Mind Robber"!! DOCTOR WHO Story #45, Season/Series 7 + 50th Anniversary Newslets & More!!

Published at: Aug. 10, 2012, 10:34 a.m. CST by merrick

 

 

 

 

Merrick here...

 

...with a look at The Mind Robber, a five part Troughton-era DOCTOR WHO story initially transmitted September-October 1969.  This is one I’d seen alluded to on a number of ‘Making of...’ DW documentaries - it always looked interesting, so I thought it would be fun to check out at long last. 

 

It’s directed by David Maloney, who’d go on to helm two of the greatest DOCTOR WHO stories ever made (The Talons of Weng-Chiang, Genesis of the Daleks) - and scripted by Peter Ling.  And it’s a blast...

 

More on this in a bit.  But first...

 

 

 

 

EARLIER THIS WEEK...BBC ANNOUNCED CASTING FOR THIS YEAR'S DOCTOR WHO CHRISTMAS SPECIAL!!

 

Richard E. Grant, who I always thought would be a highly respectable (full-on TV) Doctor in his own right, will join Tom Ward in this year's DOCTOR WHO Christmas Special.  Which, if tradition holds, should air this year on December 25.  

I'm not sure what it says about me that, out of all the amazing work Grant has brought to us over the years, I chiefly remember him for his role in THE LITTLE VAMPIRE (2000) - but there you have it. 

Grant is no stranger to WHO, though. He's voiced the Doctor in animation called Scream of Shalka, and previously appeared in the Steven Moffat scripted DW adventure Curse of the Fatal Death for Comic Relief.  

In a further bit of interesting symmetry, Grant also played Mycroft Holmes in a 2002 TV adaptation of SHERLOCK HOLMES.  DW overlord Steven Moffat (who wrote Curse of the Fatal Death, mentioned above) is currently realizing BBC's breathtakingly modernized (and unrelated) SHERLOCK series - recently nominated for an insane number of Emmys, all richly deserved.  

Tom Ward may be best known to audiences for roles in TV's MIDSOMER MURDERS and SILENT WITNESS, as well as his appearance in Phillip Kaufman's feature film QUILLS. 

The 2012 Christmas Special - whose actual title remains unknown - will introduce Jenna-Louise Coleman's character to the show.  She'll go on to become the new Companion to Matt Smith's Doctor.  

More at BBC.  

 

 

 

EARLIER THIS WEEK...BBC ANNOUNCED A NEW DRAMATIC SPECIAL ABOUT THE EARLY DAYS OF DOCTOR WHO!! 

Current DOCTOR WHO overbosses Steven Moffat and Caroline Skinner will wrangle AN ADVENTURE IN SPACE AND TIME - to be scripted by frequent WHOtributor Mark Gatiss.  This is in conjunction with next year's 50th anniversary of DW.  

"This is the story of how an unlikely set of brilliant people created a true Television original. And how an actor - William Hartnell - stereotyped in hard-man roles became a hero to millions of children. I've wanted to tell this story this for more years than I can remember! To make it happen for 'Doctor Who's 50th birthday is quite simply a dream come true".

...says Gatiss in THIS piece over at BBC.  

If you've spent any amount of time whatsover on the frequently voluminous extras on BBC Home Entertainment's DOCTOR WHO DVDs, or glanced through various publications or websites devoted to the matter, you already know that the early years of DOCTOR WHO are quite remarkable for a number of reasons - not the least of which is the 'unlikely' group of people Gatiss mentions above.  Back in the day, these people included:  

 

Visionary and beautiful producer Verity Lambert...

 

 

...first Doctor William Hartnell - who was cast against type...

 

...the dashing  Waris Hussein - who spoke about the developmental days of DW at the Paley Center in New York recently (still kicking myself for missing that one)...

 

...the enigmatic Delia Derbyshire, who painstakingly and cleverly  forged DW's Ron Granier-composed theme into the iconic and haunting melody we know today...

 

...the list goes on. An astonishing array of personalities and talent, gathered at a unique point time in time , supporting a undertaking many did not expect to endure.  But 5 decades later it's still here, and shows no signs of slowing down.  DOCTOR WHO not withstanding, that any of this was possible at al is a pretty great story in itself when you stop to think about it.  

AN ADVENTURE IN SPACE AND TIME may well end up being not only staggeringly Geeky, but tremendously exciting and insightful recent WHO converts and die hards alike.  Very much looking forward to seeing what Gatiss and company dramatise events whose rael world iterations are already quite intriguing.  

More as we know more....

 

 

 

 

ASYLUM OF THE DALEKS...

The first episode of Season/Series 7, will screen next Tuesday, August 14, at BFI.  Matt Smith, Arthur Darvill, Karen Gillan, Steven Moffat, and Caroline Skinner will take part in the proceedings.  Not being present for such events drives me out of my mind.  Rather, further out of my mind than I've alrerady been driven.  

 

 

 

 

 

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The Mind Robber

 

“We’re staying on, and fighting on.”  - The Doctor, The Mind Robber, Episode Four

 

 

 

While escaping imminent danger, the TARDIS is thrust into a zone of apparent nothingness.  But nothingness is very much something - a place where the lines between fiction and reality blur dangerously.   The Doctor and companions Zoe (Wendy Padbury) and Jamie (Fraser Hines) must learn how to impact events around them via the power of their own minds and imaginations...before an unknown force decides their fates for them. 

 

 

Throughout the entirety of its running time, The Mind Robber is an episode which flirts with “classic” status almost as much as I flirted with an insanely hot girl named Thelma back in college.  I flirted with Thelma quite a bit, but it never got me anywhere.  Fortunately, The Mind Robber fares better when all is said and done - emerging as a stylishly directed, ingeniously conceived, intellectually hinged little ditty which suggests something of a compelling visionary path-not-taken for WHO.  The vibe and approach to Mind Robber is markedly different than many other DWs...implying a flexibility of concept and artistry which was seldom, if ever, explored previously or since.

 

An a-typically severe Troughton-Doctor is concerned that he and his companions have arrived Nowhere...

 

...because Nowhere is somewhere very, very dangerous...

 

 

My personal belief,, as a creative kinda guy, is that great television (series) storytelling should never remain ‘boxed in’ by an abundance of precepts - an innately great concept can withstand, and benefit from, being told in any number of ways.  Alas, television shows, for a variety of reasons both political and practical, tend to stay an established course...thus certain tenets remain in place, and shows tend to grow inflexible or stagnant. Examples of shows where format and stylistic approaches were often varied to  amazing result?  BUFFY THE VAMPIRE SLAYER (One More With Feeling and Hush), and many installments of THE SIMPSONS.  I see The Mind Robber in a similar vein:  its characters are tried and true, but interacting with the ‘universe’ they’re occupying in interesting, unexpected, thoughtful ways. A part of me wishes DOCTOR WHO had been as bold as The Mind Robber more frequently - ‘twould be fascinating to see how doing so would’ve altered the show’s history (for better, or for worse), and/or shifted the public perception of WHO in general (for better or worse).  

 

The fantastic circumstances envisaged by Ling are skillfully conceived and strategically shaped to accommodate the episode’s limited budget.  While a few gags would’ve been fun to see with enhanced grander visual effects and more complex design, the minimalist surrealism by which Ling and Maloney convey their intent is often quite effective, and often manages to be downright clever.  As we’ve seen over and over again on larger-scale, non DW projects, sometimes the compromise and ingenuity mandated by diminished resources can result in far more well-rounded and conceptually solid filmmaking than larger budgets and less restricted resources - a truism very much apparent here.  What The Mind Robber lacks in ‘wow’ factor is more than made up for with visual artistry, fun design, well-targeted editing, a deliberate tone, and wholly invested performances.  In other words, in spite of its obvious shortcomings, The Mind Robber sells its illusions quite nicely.  

 

An Episode Four tussle in which a catsuited Zoe subdues The Karkus (a cartoonish  character originating from fictitious comics strips,  played by Christopher Robbie) by way of a pseudo-wrestling match is sure to raise the eyebrow of many Zoe fans and Future Babe fetishists in general.  It’s simple, but it’s hot.  Emrys Jones’ performance as The Master (a ‘Master’ completely unrelated to the Moriarty-esque Master the series would untimely introduce) strongly portends Helmet Bakaitis’ appearance as The Architect in THE MATRIX RELOADED/REVOLUTIONS. 

 

In fact, those films recall a number of Mind Robber elements (deliberately or not), including a shared reliance on ‘reality is not what you think it is’/‘create your own reality by power of will’ motifs.  

 

The Mind Robber does succumb to a bit of mid-section sag - there’s a sense of unnecessary repetition roughly half-way through which dampens otherwise brisk proceedings.  Said repetition may be due, to some extent at least, to the fact that this story was initially conceived as a four story arc, but expanded by way of compensation when The Dominators (Troughton, Story # 44) reduced its episode number by one installment.  Such unplanned expansion rarely assists storylines.  

 

The Mind Robber is smart and fun, packaged and delivered with infectious earnestness.      I’ve yet to experience much of the Troughton era (what little remains of it, that is), but...based on what I’ve seen so far...Troughton tales seemed to excel at finding the ‘truth’ of a story, and presenting it with visual flare and a certain gusto, no matter how flimsy certain trappings may occasionally have been.  TMR seems to support this assertion nicely, and any shows today could learn a few lessons from stories like this.  I truly wish they would.  

Ahem.  OK, so this shot could've been blocked better...

 

 

The Mind Robber is available HERE in the U.S. and HERE in the U.K. 

 

 

 

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  • Aug. 10, 2012, 10:39 a.m. CST

    I love this story

    by ByTor

    Just watched it very recently. It's surprisingly effective, dazzlingly surreal, and even the sag Merrick mentions is brief. One of my faves of the B&W era. PLUS...Zoe! Catsuit!

  • Aug. 10, 2012, 10:39 a.m. CST

    Also, Merrick, I know I owe you an email

    by ByTor

    Watch for it later today. Sorry about the (LONG!) delay, but my wife was out of town for nearly five months dealing with her sick mother, and life's been crazy.

  • doctortom: I don't think he's quite hit one out of the park yet, but I adore The Unquiet Dead. It's got a couple of quirks, sure, but I think it's a pretty strong episode. Unfortunately I don't think he's hit that level again since. I did not care for The Idiot's Lantern on first viewing, and a recent rewatch made me realize that I still don't. The plot is OK, but the characters are all very annoying, and overall it just never jelled for me. Victory of the Daleks is, I think, very enjoyable until the awful ending. But that ending is...not good. Night Terrors was pretty good, though, now that I think about it. So he's 2 and 2 (or 2-1-1 if you want to think of Victory as a "meh" instead of bad). On the other hand, I really liked Nightshade and St. Anthony's Fire, and I LOVED his P.R.O.B.E. stuff. The Zero Imperative is incredibly good, in particular. So he's earned a lifetime pass from me.

  • Aug. 10, 2012, 10:57 a.m. CST

    Rock out with your DOC out!!

    by martinprince

    Excited to see what all they come up with for the 50th.

  • Aug. 10, 2012, 11:07 a.m. CST

    I've liked this story a lot since I first saw it

    by DoctorTom

    Especially the first episode, where despite (or because) of the limitations put on them for coming up with a full episode without any money for extra sets, they managed to put together a strange, wonderful, unsettling episode. I agree that it would be nice if more risks like this had been taken.

  • Aug. 10, 2012, 11:13 a.m. CST

    bytor - I can go with that Gatiss assessment

    by DoctorTom

    VotD felt like that bit with the bomb was put in so that people could feel comforted that the Doctor had some kind of victory in the story. It probably would have been stronger if the Daleks had just swanned off to go plot their future domination of everything, leaving the Doctor with nothing but the taste of the ashes of defeat. On the other hand, I really do like Bracewell as a character, and wouldn't mind seeing him show up again in a future story. Given what he is, you could have him in practically any time period after WWII. I did enjoy Night Terrors, it just was eclipsed by the other episodes shown around that time. It's definitely a solid story, though. That's right, he wrote the Zero Imperative. That was definitely good stuff. I just had this thought - if they ever brought back the Meddling Monk, for some reason I think Gatiss would do a good job writing him (though I think the writer of choice for that would be Gareth Roberts).

  • Aug. 10, 2012, 11:17 a.m. CST

    arrgh - taunted by the BBC America schedule page

    by DoctorTom

    Today you can only see as far as Thursday 8/23. I REALLY want to see what their schedule looks like for the 25th and for Sept. 1. It used to be they had the schedule for a month in advance, now you only see two weeks ahead of the current date.

  • Aug. 10, 2012, 11:21 a.m. CST

    doctortom: agreed

    by ByTor

    I too enjoyed Bracewell as a character and would love to see him again. If you didn't want to go for the bleak ending, I would've rather the Doctor found some clever way to disable the bomb instead of the "love conquers all" resolution, but your proposal is the best, I think. Gareth Roberts is another guy who has been somewhat inconsistent. Shakespeare Code was brilliant, and Unicorn and the Wasp was pretty good. (I didn't like it initially, but a recent rewatch changed my mind; it's quite good.) Planet of the Dead is iffy (interesting idea, somewhat dull execution). The Lodger is terrific, but I did not care for Closing Time (yet another Love Conquers All resolution). Then again, his NAs and MAs were almost all brilliant. I think of the potential heirs apparent, Gareth would be a pretty solid choice to take over once Moffat leaves. And yeah, I'd love to see his Meddling Monk (though Paul Cornell could probably do even better).

  • Aug. 10, 2012, 11:27 a.m. CST

    On an unrelated note

    by ByTor

    Anyone see this yet? http://bit.ly/QEua83 Not much in terms of details yet but at least you can see the game board. Looks cool! The last one they released was unimpressive (it didn't even have Who-themed tokens) but this looks better.

  • Aug. 10, 2012, 11:28 a.m. CST

    Question for long time fans- should the next Doctor be:

    by Michael Lunney

  • Aug. 10, 2012, 11:35 a.m. CST

    oops - should the next Doctor be:

    by Michael Lunney

    A good actor, such as John Noble, who, in my opinion, would be perfection and help restore some credibilty to the character, or another poncy pretty boy like our current hair model, who looks pretty, but can talk fast, REALLY fast, as a substitute for talent..... I am not trying to insult fans of the current Doc, but he needs to go and be replaced with someone with authority as a character actor. Anyone else up for an older Doc, or is it just too late for the series to return to form? Why do the clipfests like last weekend's science of Dr. Who show, never show earlier, better Doctors?

  • Don't keep us in suspense, mcgootoo!

  • Aug. 10, 2012, 11:38 a.m. CST

    Ah, I see.

    by ByTor

    I wouldn't necessarily mind an older Doctor, but I have no problems with Smith or his two predecessors. I see no reason the Doctor *must* be of a certain age. If anything, Smith has convinced me (even more than Davison did decades ago) that a young Doctor works just fine. To each his/her own. The clipfests are designed to promote the new series, so that will naturally be the focus.

  • I love the show, and have seen all incarnations, even the 2 movies and TV-movie, so my opinion carries at least the weight of time behind it, time, hmmmmm.....

  • mcgootoo: I hope they don't continue the trend of going younger; by the 13th incarnation the DOCTOR would be an adolescent.

  • I'll take that head of cabbage, if it is properly boiled, of course...

  • Aug. 10, 2012, 11:51 a.m. CST

    mcgootoo

    by ByTor

    My pedigree is similar to yours. I've seen every Doctor Who episode, every spinoff video, etc. I'd take Eccleston, Tennant or Smith over McCoy and C. Baker at the very least. I'm not saying nobody was better, although Tennant might be my favorite of them all. Different strokes and all that, but IMO if you want to talk about acting ability, the worst is McCoy. Watch him in the P.R.O.B.E. videos. He can't do nuance; he can't do subtle. Colin Baker actually acts rings around him.

  • Aug. 10, 2012, 11:52 a.m. CST

    senor_spielbergo

    by ByTor

    13 was the original limit (i.e. a Time Lord can regenerate 12 times), but there's no telling if that's still the case. The Time Lords *resurrected* the Master, and gave him the ability to regenerate again, so it's quite possible the rules have changed.

  • Aug. 10, 2012, 12:05 p.m. CST

    My 50th Documentary musings

    by tomdolan04

    A programme the BBC themselves have never fully understood nor appreciated. They put it out to trash in the late 80's and only revived it because Russell T. Davies really pushed it as his pet project. Has a history and wealth of ideas, some well before they were mined and exploited by other sci-fi writers. It's strength of mining and playing on ideas is at odds with an increasing expectation of CGI and effects. It remains fundamentally quite quirky, though more recent years have tried to follow contemporary dramatic trends and ideas rather than be merely it's own shown. <p> Despite this, contradictory, it is quite unique in it's naffness and has a charm entirely of it's own. With a patchy history of amazing / dodgy episodes, overall Who for me is greater than the sum of it's parts and still remains very watchable despite some questionable decisions past, present and (what seems to be) future. Smith has been a blast but I really can't see the powers that been casting a more mature Doctor anymore which is a shame. Whilst not old / old, I thought even Eccleston brought a sensibility that youth just can't match. <p> Don't feel Moff has lived up to the expectations I had when he was announced but thats my own baggage. He's done a better job than most would though, and I ponder Who can take up the reins and it not go the way it did twenty odd years ago quality wise (and I love McCoy)

  • Aug. 10, 2012, 12:09 p.m. CST

    tomdolan04

    by ByTor

    The topic of "who replaces Moff" has come up before around here. Names that are often mentioned are Mark Gatiss and Gareth Roberts, and while I think either would do OK (and Roberts probably better than OK), if it were me, I'd hand it all to Paul Cornell. The guy's a brilliant writer and has shown time and again that he can do the big and small stories. (During the bleak years, he was unquestionably the #1 author of the Virgin book line.)

  • Aug. 10, 2012, 12:22 p.m. CST

    My Father...

    by Abe

    ...at this point DETESTS Matt Smith. Spews bile on him now. Showed him the awesome new trailer for the new series and he says,"Look at that idiot..'Dinosaurs on a SPACESHIP'?!?!? If that's the kind of junk they need to have on to sell Doctor Who...call me when they finally get rid of him" It's like Smith is literally PUNCHING the legacy of Who in the face! I just don't get it. Is it because of his goofy face? Meanwhile, he is the only Doctor my wife has WANTED to see every episode. No point here just venting.

  • Aug. 10, 2012, 12:25 p.m. CST

    abevigoda: and that's always been a huge part of the show

    by ByTor

    We've all had the debates with friends or whatever, right? Some folks I knew pretty well adored the seventh Doctor; I thought he wasn't all that good. I love Davison, but a friend of mine thought he was a bland Doctor. And so on. There will never be consensus on this, which is why it's sort of annoying when someone declares that a particular Doctor is CLEARLY awful. Each of them has fans. Even (I'm guessing) the sixth. :)

  • Aug. 10, 2012, 12:28 p.m. CST

    bytor - regenerations, my opinion anyway.

    by Kevin Bolinger

    I am fairly certain the regen limit was put in place by Rassilon. However, with the Time Lords now all but extinct, and the Doctor being the only one left, I am sure that rule no longer applies. Provided he is not killed mid regen, he should be able to go as many times as he likes, after all...he is the Time Lord Victorious...oh wait, that proclamation did not work out too well, did it :P And to everyone else, I am hoping to be around here a bit more in the future, but we will see. I miss hanging out here coming up with wacky theories about the new episodes...

  • Aug. 10, 2012, 12:29 p.m. CST

    Oh, for the record...

    by Abe

    Para mi it's... 1) Tom Baker 2) Patrick Troughton 3) Christopher Eccleston 4) Jon Pertwee 5) Matt Smith 6) William Hartnell 7) David Tennant 8) Sylvester McCoy 9) Peter Davison 10) Colin Baker 11) Paul McGann-only due to lack of time onscreen. Probably would be higher if there was more of him. YES...I know about the audios.

  • Aug. 10, 2012, 12:36 p.m. CST

    bytor: that's just it!

    by Abe

    I have been a fan since I was six years old in 1981. Both my parents were into the show. Sure, we have our favorites (mine seen above), but it has always been acceptance and even affection for the man in the Tardis. Yes...even the sixth. But Pop has TURNED on this man. I mean venomously. It's just plain strange. C. Baker is just fine, but Smith straight up OFFENDS him.

  • Aug. 10, 2012, 12:36 p.m. CST

    Premiere date??

    by Sequitur

    I don't understand the silence (forgive the pun) on when the new season will begin. If it, in fact, does begin August 25th...you would think they would want more time to promote the show and market it. I don't know why they are keeping this a secret...

  • Aug. 10, 2012, 12:55 p.m. CST

    The problem with older Doctors

    by Perigee

    Has nothing to do with age, but everything to do with time. Real Time. Television, as a medium, has changed drastically since the first three Doctors - expectations for entertainment has become more visceral. Being The Doctor has become a lot more physical. This isn't to say that Tennant or Smith have become exactly action heroes - but they do exude an energy in the character that matches the frenetic pace of the new series. Anybody who posts here would welcome an older, cerebral Doctor, or a stodgy Doctor, or even an older active Doctor, like the one David Morrissey suggested in "The Next Doctor." But fanatics such as us are only a small portion of the audience. The rest are content for the mores of current television programming - younger, faster, more violent. Moffat's "Sherlock" is another example. Run, run, run, run. A young Holmes - a young Watson. It's simply the milieu of modern TV, tweaked for demographic satisfaction, whether we like it or not. As a showrunner, Moff has to be inclined to bow to this reality. And, if he were not, the BBC would insist. Why change what is working so well? Pedestrian thinking, but expected...

  • Unfortunately, they will be continuing the trend of casting younger and younger. The next Doctor will be the child who played Stormageddon, Dark Lord of All in the story Closing Time.

  • Aug. 10, 2012, 12:57 p.m. CST

    darthdevious/abevigoda/sequitur

    by ByTor

    darthdevious: In the old show, the limit wasn't really treated as a rule. It just seemed to be a fact of biology. Obviously if it was just a "compliance" thing, the Master wouldn't have had to go through all that mess in Deadly Assassin and Keeper of Traken. On the other hand, it could've been a biological limit set by Rassilon. We just don't know. The only hint we ever got that the Time Lords had some kind of control over it was the offer in Five Doctors to the Master (but then that's a special case, as he wasn't even a Time Lord at that point). But I do think it makes sense that they would've changed the rules during the Time War, if they could have. Abevigoda: That's interesting. Back in the day I knew a couple of folks who felt that way about Colin, but you just never know with these things. Clearly your father is responding to something, but who knows what? Sequitur: The BBC is always cagey about the date. Supposedly it's because they don't want to give their competition time to plan against them. It's sure different from the way the networks do things here in the US.

  • Aug. 10, 2012, 1:02 p.m. CST

    perigee hits the nail on the head

    by ByTor

    At the very least, any Doctor is going to have to be able to do the action-y stuff. That's just a reality of modern TV. I do think that the next Doctor might be a bit older than Smith. I see no reason why we won't get another Tennant-aged (or even Eccleston-aged) Doctor. In fact, Moffat himself said he wasn't looking for someone as young as Smith, but Smith just nailed the audition.

  • Aug. 10, 2012, 1:11 p.m. CST

    Bytor - Gareth Roberts

    by DoctorTom

    Actually, I liked Closing Time. I was getting tired of the theme of Love Conquers All that kept creeping in, but for that story, against the Cybermen (who are supposed to have their emotions cut ofr) it made more sense there for strong emotion (not just love, but everything else wrapped up in parenthood) to be able to overcome the programming. It's probably just having all the other recent Love Conquers All endings that poisoned the well for using it here. Still, even if you didn't like that, you have to admit that everything with Stormageddon was great. Planet of the Dead is probably the Roberts story I care for the least - it's okay, but doesn't quite have the sparkle of a lot of his other stories. Also, when they had an archaeologist/thief who will now be riding around in her own double decker bus, I just kept thinking that they just nicked bits off of both Bernice Summerfield and Iris Wildthyme.

  • Aug. 10, 2012, 1:16 p.m. CST

    Thanks Bytor!

    by Sequitur

  • Aug. 10, 2012, 1:19 p.m. CST

    doctortom - fair enough

    by ByTor

    I'm still not sold on the emotion being able to defeat the Cyber conversion as I just think it's cheesy, but you make a fair point. And yes, the stuff with Stormageddon and Craig was terrific. Roberts can definitely do funny.

  • Aug. 10, 2012, 1:23 p.m. CST

    Bytor - if we do get a multiDoctor Story

    by DoctorTom

    I'd let Gareth Roberts write all the scenes between Matt Smith and Tom Baker. That would probably supply something almost as surreal as the episode of Have I Got News For You that William Shatner hosted.

  • Aug. 10, 2012, 1:24 p.m. CST

    bytor

    by Abe

    is Canadian.

  • Aug. 10, 2012, 1:30 p.m. CST

    Multidoc/Canada

    by ByTor

    Doctortom: Brilliant idea! Roberts would nail it for sure. Abevigoda: nope, I'm not Canadian. I'm from the midwestern US. :) Did anyone here ever hang out on r.a.dw back in the day?

  • Aug. 10, 2012, 1:47 p.m. CST

    Multi-Doc Story

    by Michael_Jacksons_Ghost

    I would want it to be 7-11, 8-11. Really just due to the age of Baker, the balding of Davidson, and the fatness of Baker2. McCoy with a wig/hat would be fine if they went with 7 coming back. McGann up, all look good for their age, and can still run around if needed.

  • Aug. 10, 2012, 1:51 p.m. CST

    mcgootoo: let it go

    by ByTor

    We get your point.

  • JOHN NOBLE-------- JOHN NOBLE---- SO HE'S NOT IN HIS 20S. CAN'T ANYONE ELSE SEE HIM AS PERHAPS THE ULTIMATE DOCTOR, SUPASSING EVEN TOM BAKER!!!!! HE'S THE STUFF OF POSSIBLE LEGEND, I TELLS YA!!!!!! At least I'm not the only one who wants a better actor to be the Doctor.

  • Aug. 10, 2012, 1:53 p.m. CST

    bytor - AGREED THE MCCOY YEARS WERE NOT THE GREATEST

    by Michael Lunney

  • Aug. 10, 2012, 2:01 p.m. CST

    mcgootoo

    by ByTor

    You're certainly entitled to your opinion, and it's no more or less valid than mine or anyone else's. And if Smith is not to your taste, well, I get that. But in the spirit of the Docback, perhaps we could tone things down a tad.

  • Aug. 10, 2012, 2:07 p.m. CST

    Regeneration limit

    by Talandir

    Is absolutely biological, per Mawdryn Undead. A Timelord's cells have a certain limited amount of the energy necessary to regenerate; enough to do it 12 times. Once that energy is all expended, no more regeneration. Thus the Master's decaying form in the T Baker years; his body was trying to regenerate but could not. Per The 5 Doctors, the TLs had some way to give the Master a new set of regenerations artificially, and later resurrected him with apparently a full new set of regenerations during the Time War. But with the Time Lords gone and Gallifrey presumably destroyed, does the Doctor have access to what seems to be some of their most advanced tech? Of course, the new show has ignored quite a bit of established continuity.

  • Aug. 10, 2012, 2:13 p.m. CST

    Talandir - regeneration limit

    by DoctorTom

    Of course, given the flippant remark in The Death of the Doctor, it looks like the 12 regeneration limit went out the window sometime with the Time War. It's probably not so much ignoring established continuity as things having changed in the interim. Certainly, from a production standpoint you're not going to hear a production team say "Sorry, BBC, the current actor has decided to leave, and since Time Lords regenerate only 12 times we can't make any more shows without him."

  • I respect your opinion... by the way- I liked the swcience oriented Who special that was on last week- did you see it?

  • Aug. 10, 2012, 2:24 p.m. CST

    SMITH is my favourite Doctor and I've nearly watched them all

    by IAmTommyWiseau

    This boy has completely nailed the part and made the Doctor his own. Tom Baker was my favourite until Smith came along but now it's Smith all of the way. I hated Colin Baker and McCoy in the role, Eccleston was never The Doctor to me (just seemed like Eccleston in a leather jacket) and David Tennant was awful... absolutely awful. I almost gave up on the show until I vowed to give The Eleventh Hour a chance, and I'm SO glad that I did. Smith is a revelation in the role and it will feel as though someone has kicked me in the soul when he leaves.

  • Aug. 10, 2012, 2:25 p.m. CST

    More on regeneration limit

    by ByTor

    Mawdryn never says it's purely biological. It doesn't go into detail other than to confirm the number, as well as the number of times the Doctor already has. As for Death of the Doctor, it was a throwaway line, and RTD has since said it was meant to be a joke, a silly number that he was sure nobody would take seriously. (He clearly underestimated fans.) And ultimately doctortom is correct; they will not stop the show after 13. The limit can be hand-waved easily: "Once, Clara, Time Lords could only regenerate twelve times, but during the Time War Rassilon engineered a way for us to regenerate XX number of times."

  • Aug. 10, 2012, 2:28 p.m. CST

    talandir

    by Michael_Jacksons_Ghost

    If a Time Lord has only enough energy to regenerate 12 times, then the Doctor only has 1 left due to Ten using up one when he focused the energy into his old hand. Now, when the Doctor died, and River transfered her remaining regenerations into him to bring him back to life, that could of gave him a few more regenerations to be able to use, making it possible to go past the 12 limit.

  • Aug. 10, 2012, 2:32 p.m. CST

    mcgootoo, it's all good :)

    by ByTor

    I DVR'd it but haven't watched it yet as life has been crazy. And I understand your passion, believe me! Did you enjoy the special?

  • if you think Matt Smith is the best, that is... I'm glad you enjoy him. ...his mother can't be the only one who likes him... Do you like him more the faster he talks?.... Just wondering where the appeal lies.. Stories could be a lot better too. I am so glad they are finally getting rid of the Amy Pond show....

  • I get it is all advertising for the current incarnation of the series, not a true retrospect...

  • Aug. 10, 2012, 3:05 p.m. CST

    mcgootoo

    by ByTor

    Also, keep in mind that the majority of viewers haven't seen the old show. So that's part of the issue as well. Also, Tom Baker talked fast, y'know... ;)

  • Aug. 10, 2012, 3:22 p.m. CST

    @mcgootoo - the fault, dear Brutus

    by Dreamfasting

    Is not in our stars, but in ourselves. I think there are times we let our expectations get so wound up that we need to stop, take a step back and just appreciate what we are getting. And sometimes the music changes. We can shake our fists at what kids listen to these days or we can sit back and try to figure out what it is they enjoy and what it tells us about what we enjoyed.

  • Aug. 10, 2012, 3:32 p.m. CST

    Doctor Who is the BBC's Cash Cow...

    by dj_bollocks

    Makes more money than Eastenders.. Possibly not as much as Top Gear... Globally... It's not going anywhere... And as to when we'll find out when the new series starts... When does the new DWM come out ? That will tell you when it's coming back... They will wait til that comes out before they release the date. With UK X Factor starting next week, it can't be too far away...

  • Aug. 10, 2012, 3:35 p.m. CST

    mcgootoo - I agree on the specials

    by DoctorTom

    The BBCA specials haven't just been New Series - focused, a lot has been focused on just Matt Smith. I suspect a part of the problem is that BBCA is licensed to use clips from anything starting with Eccleston, but doesn't have a license to use clips from the classic series. We'll see tomorrow night if the focus goes beyond Amy Pond and River Song - though fortunately they can still work in Sarah Jane into their special because of her appearances in the new series.

  • ..alas, the stars are not in alignment for this show like they used to be, but at least it's back, rather than not in existence. I loved it when the show returned. But that doesn't mean it keeps getting better and better. It needs better science fiction storytelling, not just strings of words. WE need more off world adventure, more deep scace, outer space advednture - make it less earth bound. Blow people minds. Don't make it Eastenders with a timelord.

  • dreamfasting - you are obviously intelligent. I just respectfully disagree that Doctor Who is designed for young people only, and if that is true, then that is a sad state of affairs. And why, wasn't this show represented during the Olympic opening ceremonies? I really was waiting for a tribute, considering the show's longevity and association as iconically British.

  • Aug. 10, 2012, 3:49 p.m. CST

    It was in the Olympics Opening...

    by dj_bollocks

    However it was cut for time...

  • Aug. 10, 2012, 3:53 p.m. CST

    A tribute was planed, mcgootoo

    by ByTor

    It was cut because the procession ran way over-time. And in case you haven't figured out, ALL TV (or nearly all) is aimed at younger folks. That's reality. And just because it's new doesn't mean it's bad, either. Sometimes it's not that the kids haven't experienced the older things; sometimes the newer things are better. I think we have a mix, here, but I'd argue that the storytelling in the relaunch has been ON AVERAGE superior to the last several years of the old show, easily, and possibly even more. In particular the new show does a great job of telling character-driven stories, which the old show didn't really do at all. (And please don't interpret this to mean that I don't love the original, because boy howdy, do I, and from a pure story perspective it's hard to think of a new show episode as well-written as, say, Genesis of the Daleks.) Also, much of what you're asking for (in terms of storytelling) is expensive. Doctor Who as a show already has a limitation not faced with most any other show: virtually no standing sets. That adds expense. Hard SF, alien worlds, etc. tends to be more expensive than Earthbound episodes. That's not to say they don't or can't do them, but you have to have balance. In no way, however, do I feel that "Eastenders with a Time Lord" is remotely accurate.

  • Aug. 10, 2012, 4:02 p.m. CST

    In The Mind Robber

    by gregorso2

    Is it just me, or was it a rather awkward shot of Zoe's... um, catsuit when she's laying on the console flying through space?

  • Seriously, that's when it got referred to as a soap opera. Still, I can see not wanting Eastenders with a Time Lord. How about Lock, Stock and 2 Smoking Barrels with a Time Lord instead?

  • Aug. 10, 2012, 4:07 p.m. CST

    I GUESS VERY FEW OF YOU HAVE SEEN THIS EPISODE

    by Mullah Omar

    ...because everybody is arguing over modern docs rather than talking about THE MIND ROBBER. This episode is a personal favorite of mine for much of what Merrick describes - it's extremely inventive in the face of its limitations. One of my favorite anecdotes about ROBBER is how Frazier Hines got chickenpox while filming the episode and was too sick to play Jamie. Rather than write him out or stick him in the Tardis, they just wrote in a new Jamie for most of the episode, and the way it happens is brilliant and feels completely natural within the dangerous "anything goes" atmosphere of the episode. And if I wanted to show modern film and TV students an example of how to deliver the goods despite a grade-Z budget, I would show them ROBBER. This goes far beyond practical special effects, this is almost imaginary special effects, but the way the actors sell it and the camera frames it makes the illusion work - for me at least. If someone asked for an intro to the Troughton era, I would probably direct them to this episode. Aside from the obvious creativity, it's only 4 parts, it's a change of pace from WHO's more typical monster-of-the-month episodes, and you have arguably two of the best and most charismatic companions in the history of WHO to keep things lively. Also, Merrick, you get points off for not including the famous images of Zoe in her sparkly catsuit perched on the Tardis console. For shame...

  • Aug. 10, 2012, 4:16 p.m. CST

    High on my list of favorites

    by KanekoFan

    My first experience of Troughton was "Tomb of the Cybermen," and I knew right away that he would rank among my favoirte Doctors. But it was on first seeing "The Mind Robber" that I realized the Troughton era would like rank among my favorite periods of the show's history. There's not a lot I can add that hasn't been covered either by Marrick or jsut now by Mullah Omar. It's a bizarre but wholly engaging story, largely unlike anything else in Who history (Whostory?), and it takes all of its limitations and turns them into apparent intentional, story-driven choices. Oh, and the brief stop motion sequence with Medusa is a blast, because, well, I love Gorgons and I love stop motion (what can I say? Clash of the Titans was a huge part of my childhood).

  • Aug. 10, 2012, 4:24 p.m. CST

    mullah omar

    by ByTor

    Excellent points all! But you get dinged a point for saying it's 4 episodes (it's 5). ;) It is indeed a great example of how to be very imaginative with no money to speak of. And hey! Wendy Padbury! In a catsuit! ON THE TARDIS CONSOLE!

  • Aug. 10, 2012, 4:26 p.m. CST

    companions

    by DoctorTom

    I don't think the new series needs to apologize for actually having companions who are fleshed out people. The classic series usually treated the companions merely as a plot device to ask the Doctor what's going on and to get captured or menaced for an episode cliffhanger. Does it go too far? Yes, in some people's opinions, no in others'. We're never going back to the day though when the companions are just a generic interchangeable cypher, though.

  • Aug. 10, 2012, 4:27 p.m. CST

    Omar - definitely a good cliffhanger at the end of episode 1

    by DoctorTom

    This one probably ranks up with Edge of Destruction and Kinda for a "what's going on here?" factor.

  • Aug. 10, 2012, 4:41 p.m. CST

    @mullah omar - not having seen it

    by Dreamfasting

    yup. busted :)

  • Yes, I know, I already know...

  • Aug. 10, 2012, 6:09 p.m. CST

    mcgootoo - yes, of course I have

    by KanekoFan

    My favorite Harryhausen flick is Jason and the Argonauts (an obvious choice, but hard to argue with), probably followed by The Golden Voyage of Sinbad. That said, I think Clash of the Titans is often unfairly derided; it does have one of the more compelling storylines among films of its type.

  • Earth vs. the Flying Saucers and 20 Million Miles to Earth? If not, try to get them, maybe from your local library, on DVD. Both had quite superb, very much improved colorization!!

  • Aug. 10, 2012, 6:52 p.m. CST

    re-regeneration

    by Talandir

    I absolutely agree there will be more than 2 more Doctors. i was just hoping to refute the idea that the regeneration limit was just some sort of rule enforced by the Time Lords. For those unfamiliar with Mawdryn Undead; it's about a group of 8 renegade aliens who tried to artificially gain Gallifreyan regeneration abilities but the process simply left them aging but unable to die. They tried to coerce the Doctor into using his remaining regenerations to end their tortured lives through a machine that would transfer his regeneration energy to them. So at least in the canon of the time, regeneration was limited by a finite amount of energy in each Time Lords body.

  • Aug. 10, 2012, 9:25 p.m. CST

    talandir

    by ByTor

    I don't think they explicitly talk about the energy within a Time Lord per se; it was more like the energy of the regenerations themselves. Again, circumstantial evidence sure seems to indicate that the limit was biological, but there's no direct evidence. (Just like the ages-old debate of whether Gallifreyan = Time Lord, or whether Time Lords are a subset of Gallifreyans.) Ah, nerd arguments! What could be better? So...anyone want to discuss UNIT dating? :D

  • Aug. 10, 2012, 11:30 p.m. CST

    regeneration limit

    by Dreamfasting

    The paraphrase the Doctor, canon can be rewritten. But that's not really the issue. Simply put, long ago, long-retired writers set up this wonderful point of drama and tension back when 13 incarnations seemed impossibly into the future. Now the show has meandered all the way to within sight of that limit . It would be a horrible waste, after all these years, not to make actual use of this point of drama and have some fun with it before breaking it.

  • Aug. 10, 2012, 11:52 p.m. CST

    The Sun has some fun from Matt Smith

    by Perigee

    http://www.thesun.co.uk/sol/homepage/showbiz/tv/4481835/Matt-Smith-is-to-keep-playing-Doctor-Who-until-at-least-2014.html

  • Aug. 11, 2012, 1:11 a.m. CST

    mcgootoo - Maybe it's time to hand in your fandom card?

    by CHRISTIAN_BALE_TRASHED_MY_LIGHTS

    Sounds like you've been a fan of the show for a while but either its lustre has worn off or your expectations of the show have not been met but its current incarnation. Perhaps its time to give the show a rest and give it another try when its run by a different team and someone else is behind the wheel. In the words of Sarah Jane: "Everything has its time and everything ends."

  • Aug. 11, 2012, 1:24 a.m. CST

    After watching the Mind Robber ...

    by Dreamfasting

    After the interesting build-up of the idea of a realm of space-time where prophecy blurs the line between fiction and history and "real" people can be turned into fictional dreams, I found the story sort of backed down into a conventional "evil robot wants to take over the world" story. I would have had it end with the Doctor convincing the "Master" that he whole realm they were trapped in was just a dream and have him wake up at the end ... leaving it ambiguous whether it had been a dream all along or had been successfully transformed into a dream.

  • Aug. 11, 2012, 6:25 a.m. CST

    Currently on ep 5 (of 6) of Colony in Space

    by Rebel Scumb

    I really like this one, feels very well realized, and one of the few 6 parters for Pertwee that feels properly paced and not overly drawnout to fit the huge amount of episodes

  • Aug. 11, 2012, 6:26 a.m. CST

    mullah omar

    by Rebel Scumb

    I think that shot of her on the console actually has it's own facebook page now

  • Aug. 11, 2012, 7:25 a.m. CST

    CATSUITS AND CORRECTIONS

    by Mullah Omar

    Bytor, you are correct about this being 5 episodes rather than 4. ROBBER zipped along for me when I first saw it, which is the real point - it's so busy that it feels relatively short, which I think is essential when you introduce someone to a new era of WHO. I know some people would probably send new viewers to TOMB OF THE CYBERMEN because they're an iconic enemy, but I like ROBBER much more. Also, I couldn't find an isolated video of the famous console scene, but it's at the tail-end of this one: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PQ1C0srVcLA&feature=related Pun intended...

  • Aug. 11, 2012, 8:22 a.m. CST

    I've seen all Doctors

    by I am_NOTREAL

    fairly limited exposure to Hartnell, Troughton, C. Baker, and McCoy...but I've seen at least 2 serials from each. Smith is one of the best to play the role in my book...but then Davison is my personal favorite, so what does that say about me??? Personally I find something of merit in every actor's portrayal...ranking them is sorta like, I don't know, rating Pearl Jam albums or something. Someone's gotta be last, doesn't mean I hate them.

  • Aug. 11, 2012, 8:25 a.m. CST

    New series starting date Tweet by Moffat

    by cosmic_dolphin

    He tweeted today that the new series is ' a few weeks from now '. Can we take that to mean Saturady 1st September then ? Looking forward to it. Who wants to bet me that the 'fall of the 11th' doesn't refer to the Doctor ?

  • Aug. 11, 2012, 8:33 a.m. CST

    good way of putting it i am_notreal

    by Rebel Scumb

    I wish more people could see things (not just Who) that way, not everything has to be a A vs B, one is great the other garbage type extreme scenarios. Like earlier in the summer when people kept talking about Avengers vs TDKR, why not hope that they might both be great, and enjoyable in their own ways? I agree each doctor has their own merits. I've only seen C.Baker in the Two Doctors, so not very familiar with him, and only 3-4 Troughton adventures my favorite of the classics is sort of a bit muddled, Pertwee is my favorite doctor, but I prefer the stories/adventures of the T.Baker + Davison eras more. I would say overall Davisons era is probably my favorite in terms of tone and writing, but I love pretty much all of the 3rd, 4th and 5th doctor's runs. But just in terms of an actor playing the doctor, and their take on it, not taking the stories they happen to be in into account, Pertwee is my favorite.

  • Aug. 11, 2012, 10:39 a.m. CST

    A Master AND a Captain Jack, no less. . .

    by Kathryn Gail

    The Mind Robber. . . maybe I'm not especially blown away by the premise on its own because it's sort of one of those canonical serial-show premises: books come to life, Jack the Ripper, they're making us fight to feed on negative energy, something is turning trusted friends into undead whatevers. . . but some shows phone these in and others make them totally fresh and unique. Once the DVD extras explain all about the chicken pox, zero budget, crazy production schedule and eleventh-hour episode rearrangement, it's less of a surprise that The Mind Robber's special take on the books-come-to-life premise is a writer enslaved by a computer with a relentless world domination agenda. The plot holds up nicely on its own, though; you don't really feel that backstory at all until you know to look for it, and then it still feel like clever commentary rather than contrivance. Now everyone go forth and revise DW informational blurbs everywhere so that every instance of "the Master" reads "the Master (not to be confused with the Master of the Land)" and every instance of "Captain Jack Harkness" reads "Captain Jack Harkness (not to be confused with Captain Jack Harkaway)" !! (And then I was looking at a few such blurbs and ran across the fact that The Land pops up again in a 1993 novel, which I'd read immediately if I had it in hand, but I suspect everyday life will quickly send me off track and I'll keep forgetting to track it down, or to get around to reading it if I happen to find it!) Oooh. . . someday: a Jack Harness/Jack Harkaway story set in the Land of Fiction. . . and a little gratuitous trippiness wouldn't be out of place in it, since it would be referencing a 1968 story. . .

  • Aug. 11, 2012, 12:47 p.m. CST

    Okay, bytor, since you asked for it....UNIT dating

    by DoctorTom

    From what we know with a 2012 perspective, it's obvious that when the Time Lords exiled the Doctor to Earth, they established a timey-wimey quantum chronocircumlocutor so that the UNIT adventures took place in a wave function that occurred either in the early-mid 1970s or up until at least 1980. The purpose of the timey-wimey quantum circumlocutor was so that if Torchwood got close to discovering the Pertwee Doctor during his UNIT years at a certain place and time, the timey-wimey quantum chronocircumlocutor would activate and change the time that the adventure was taking place, so that Torchwood couldn't find him at that time. It had been activated so many times there's only a waveform of probabilities for the times now that the UNIT adventures took place. It's all a jumble now that's hard to sort out, not unlike the true origin and history of the Cybermen.

  • Aug. 11, 2012, 1:14 p.m. CST

    Perigee - actually there's a little bit worrying in the article

    by DoctorTom

    Matt already working on shows for the 2013 series

  • Aug. 11, 2012, 2:13 p.m. CST

    Marry me, Delia Derbyshire

    by gotilk

    is the name of a pop song that I must write.

  • Aug. 11, 2012, 5:35 p.m. CST

    I think I might watch the Mind Robber tonight

    by Rebel Scumb

    I've exhausted my collection of Pertwee, Baker and Davison era dvds. Saving my McCoys until I have them all (well the Ace era ones) to watch in order. So that just leaves Krotons, Mind Robber, The Rescue/The Romans left of my collection that remains unwatched.

  • Aug. 11, 2012, 5:54 p.m. CST

    gotilk: humanity requires this song

    by Kathryn Gail

    And everyone else who hasn't already done so, google the few extant videos of Delia Derbyshire making clunky old tape machines behave like 'digital' was even a glint in the milkman's eye yet; utterly amazing. (Yeah I'm afraid I've actually been known to say out loud to strangers that classic DW is great because it's like a grad school class in broadcast history, so with all due respect to more fun and interesting docbackers. . . I am shamelessly psyched for An Adventure in Space and Time even if it comes out feeling like a documentary.) (Although if they added in some artistic-license dinosaur rampages and car chases, I would be fine with that, too. What's not to like.)

  • Aug. 11, 2012, 6:48 p.m. CST

    Rebel - definitely go Mind Robber if you haven't watched it yet

    by DoctorTom

    after that, I'd suggest Rescue/Romans (mainly for The Romans) before the Krotons

  • Aug. 11, 2012, 7:44 p.m. CST

    Just finished the Mind Robbers

    by Rebel Scumb

    Wow that was an absolutely firecracker! The only other troughton one I'd seen was Tomb of the Cybermen which I found relatively dull (sorry I know a lot of people love that one), so my expectations were for this one were pretty low, but it was quite good, and so much imaginative stuff in it, and really great visuals, creepy atmosphere and unique moments. Thanks for the recommendations!

  • 64, but could easily pass for 40

  • Aug. 12, 2012, 4:43 a.m. CST

    Gotilk - Delia Derbyshire

    by cosmic_dolphin

    A few years ago it was the 50th anniverserary of the Radiophonic Workshop and they ran and article about it in Sound on Sound which is a bit of a bible for musicians and producers etc. Good reading for anyone interested and I would imagine an interesting backdrop to some of the stuff we might see in An Adventure in Time & Space. http://tinyurl.com/3az7ru

  • So she could sneak attack us when we bent over to pick it up. Unfortunately, we've been lumbered (in the Newley sense of the word); it's not like we're going to boycott whatever scraps the Beeb decides to throw us.

  • Both the console sequence, and also the big dude who played the german superhero mentioned how he snuck a peek when they were rehearsing their fight scene, and has always remembered it.

  • They say that he is going to be The Doctor for at least 2 more years, presumably with Moffatt running the show and Jenna as companion. It's The Sun, so don't expect total accuracy. I like Matt, but I'm ready for a new Doctor and/or showrunner.

  • Aug. 12, 2012, 9:11 a.m. CST

    just saw that perigee posted this news 2 days ago...oops.

    by Barrymore

  • Aug. 12, 2012, 10:08 a.m. CST

    barrymore

    by Rebel Scumb

    Agreed, I like smith also, but part of what I love about Dr Who is it's ability to do a soft-reboot every few years for a fresh take I'm interested to see if Moffat & Smith depart at the same time ala RTD & Tennant, or whether one leaves before the other. It would be interesting to see Moffat handle a different doctor, or likewise Smith in the hands of a different writer/showrunner.

  • Aug. 12, 2012, 10:29 a.m. CST

    My favorite grouse trotted out again...

    by Perigee

    Maybe it's the 'Murican in me, but I Really Really don't get why these guys are so quick to run from international stardom. Both Tennant and Eccleston haven't exactly raised the bar on their own careers after leaving Yeah - I know Tennant has A gig in the new Thor, and Eccleston does Playhouse-in-the-Park, etc. But its all few and far between, and their public exposure has plummeted. Here in U-S-A! U-S-A!, TV actors usually hold tight and run a series out as long as they possibly can - Richard Belzer has been moping around "Law and Order" for 13 years now. I find it enigmatic.

  • Aug. 12, 2012, 10:29 a.m. CST

    Rebel - I agree

    by DoctorTom

    I'm also hoping that we don't have Moffat and Smith leave at the same time. Actually, I'm hoping that Matt Smith is having so much fun that he goes (at least) as long as Tom Baker, and that another production team gets a crack at the show with him. I don't want Moffat to leave, but thinking long term I would like to see something like when Graham Williams took over with Tom Baker after Hinchcliffe left - you still had some very good shows, but got a different tone. If Tom Baker had left when Hinchcliffe left, or even when Robert Holmes stopped script editing, we would never have had City of Death. I'd like to see another production team with Matt get their chance to have something the quality of City of Death, or The Doctor's Wife.

  • Aug. 12, 2012, 1:32 p.m. CST

    just saw the newest who trailer

    by jon pertwee

    ends with rory surrounded by dead daleks and the doctor carrying amy pond's body

  • Aug. 12, 2012, 1:37 p.m. CST

    never mind

    by jon pertwee

    its the same one thats been around for two weeks

  • Aug. 12, 2012, 1:43 p.m. CST

    doctortom, exactly

    by Rebel Scumb

    I think the big switch after the RTD era worked okay with new doctor, new tardis, new companion, new showrunner, upgrade to HD and overall different visual tone. But I wouldn't want a similar shift each time I like when the changes happen in stages, like how Eccelston left, but Rose stayed on for another season, then rose left but tennant stayed on, etc the same happened with the old show to, there was never too many changes all in one episode, and often companion switches or other changes might even happen mid season which was cool. I get the sense that Moffat has a story he wants to tell with the question/the silence/river, and I also feel like that story could be resolved this coming season, or next at the latest. But if he departs after that, it make for a better transition to have Matt Smith stay on for at least one more season when the new writer takes over. Just like it is really cool that although the RTD era is all one big story, it encompasses both the Eccelston and Tennant years.

  • Your statement on enduring the Doctor vs. actually enjoying him hit the nail square on the head for me - I watched the smith episodes, and will keep watching, but the whole dippy, spastic, goofy kid thing is REALLY wearing thin at this point!

  • Aug. 12, 2012, 3:38 p.m. CST

    And...Zoe's booty = EPIC

    by obijuanmartinez

  • http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=triPkcSYVkY

  • Aug. 12, 2012, 7:48 p.m. CST

    Kate Moss made the Olympic closing ceremony. DW didn't.

    by veteran_of_mu

    Pshaw!

  • http://www.mojo4music.com/blog/2012/08/listen_to_mojos_50_greatest_el.html

  • https://mobile.twitter.com/#!/warrenellis

  • Not sure if her and Frazer Hines didn't get on, or just thought that would be a cool story development, but the face changing is definitely a highlight of this story.

  • Aug. 13, 2012, 9:14 a.m. CST

    doctortom / perigee

    by ByTor

    Doctortom: That's...actually a pretty good explanation. :) Seriously, it's going to take some kind of timey-wimey handwave to fix the UNIT dating issue (not that anyone but us ming-mongs cares). Perigee: It's Eccleston in the Thor flick, not Tennant. And you have to understand that while their careers may not have taken off from an American perspective, both actors are getting piles of work in the UK, though it may be work that's not high profile on our side of the pond. All actors must be concerned with things like typecasting. That's not a UK phenomenon, either; despite your example, most US actors try to move on after a while. Richard Belzer is a bad example because (A) he was never anywhere close to an A-lister or a lead (he was a stand-up comedian who got mostly smaller comic roles before Homicide, and after Homicide ended his character shifted to L&O) and (B) he's not a lead on L&O either. He's not going to get work when he leaves, so he stays as long as he can. But for leading actors, typecasting really can be an issue. Tom Baker had all kinds of trouble getting work after seven years on Doctor Who.

  • The cauldron of fire dies. The seas turn to blood. Scorpion-tailed locusts shred the air. The star of Wormwood rises. Take That sing. My other three favorites: I don't understand how it is possible that the Spice Girls can't dance as well as Boris Johnson apparently. George Michael's is a moustache fed exclusively on truffles, fine hashish and Eastern European male models. Excellent. I want to see Lemmy hurl his own immortal gold-plated liver like a discus across the stadium to shut this bloody singer up.

  • Aug. 13, 2012, 1:22 p.m. CST

    Well, we know season 7 does NOT start on August 25

    by DoctorTom

    BBC America would most likely stick with same day transmission, and that day they have The Destinations of Doctor Who, followed by Copper, but no new Doctor Who season. This was supposed to be the last special by BBCA on Doctor Who, so either the 1st or the 8th (I suspect the 1st) for the premiere.

  • ...as Romneybot 3000's running mate for VP & its corresponding "Transmetropolitan" reference was a goodie too!

  • Aug. 13, 2012, 2:26 p.m. CST

    doctortom: the 1st (or 8th)

    by ByTor

    Normally I'd guess the 1st, but it's possible that they will delay it a week due to the Labor Day weekend. Hopefully they don't. But more importantly, when are they going to get the HD version of the channel out there? To date it's on Dish and a handful of small cable providers. I'm guessing they're pricing it a bit high (else I'd expect at least one of DirecTV, Verizon, AT&T or Comcast to have it by now). BAH!

  • Aug. 13, 2012, 3:09 p.m. CST

    bytor - I doubt that they'd delay it.

    by DoctorTom

    It happened during the first part of Season 6, when the last couple of episodes of that batch were delayed a week because one episode fell on Memorial Day weekend. Due to the uproar that the delay caused - and probably some dropoff in viewership due to people resorting to alternative methods of obtaining the episode so that they didn't have to wait - they did not delay it when a story in the second half was broadcast on Labor Day weekend. I don't think they're going to repeat the mistake of delaying the episodes again. If anything, they'll repeat the opening episode before showing episode 2 the next week.

  • Aug. 13, 2012, 3:11 p.m. CST

    Also, bytor - HD

    by DoctorTom

    Comcast does have BBC America On Demand in HD. So, you could watch their initial broadcast in standard definition, and the next day watch it in HD. It's not the best alternative, but it is one alternative. I also imagine that Dish subcribers are probably noticing more that they're not getting AMC, IFC and some of those channels at all more than that they are getting the HD version of BBCA.

  • Aug. 13, 2012, 4:10 p.m. CST

    doctortom

    by ByTor

    Fair enough. I wasn't aware about Comcast's on demand as I do not have Comcast. (So I'm stuck using alternate means until my provider gets it...) And yeah, I'm sure you're right about Dish. And, finally, I had forgotten about the S6 Labor Day thing, so yeah, I expect 9/1 is when we all get to see it.

  • Aug. 13, 2012, 5:43 p.m. CST

    Another Neil Gaiman episode for Season 7? (link)

    by obijuanmartinez

    http://www.scififx.com/2012/08/rumor-neil-gaiman-writes-for-doctor-who-series-7/

  • Aug. 13, 2012, 6:09 p.m. CST

    Moffett would be crazy not to have Gaiman return to write.

    by Michael_Jacksons_Ghost

    Neal has been a solid writer his entire career, and I personally think the more Gaiman the better.

  • I shifted over to "Hell on Wheels" and "Breaking Bad," so I missed a bunch. Or Didn't miss, as the case may be. Personally, I was far from overwhelmed by London's ceremonies. They knew they were going to have this for years - they should've taken the time to clone Moff, and put him on double duty.

  • Aug. 13, 2012, 7:07 p.m. CST

    bytor - Royalties could be an issue; beats me...

    by Perigee

    We could pull Patrick Stewart in to the convo, but no matter, really - I've always figured that guys hang in forever because the royalties stack up on syndicated shows, leaving the actors well-paid for years afterwards. But maybe it's a whole different thing over there. (And I guess DW isn't heavily replayed the way TNG was.) No matter, really - it's all just sour grapes from me, anyway. You get used to somebody in that role, and as soon as you get comfortable, they jet. ... It's like my love life, all over again.... ~Grin~

  • ...not aware if any of them have ever done TV scripts...

  • Aug. 14, 2012, 3:48 a.m. CST

    Great writers don't necessarily make great Who writers.

    by V'Shael

    A great example of someone who can't play in the sandpit, but always has to piss in it, is JMS. Great writer? - absolutely, no doubt. Knows his scifi? - unquestionably. But can he play in someone elses creation without rolling around in shit first so he get his stank all over it? I'm afraid not. Just look at his runs on Spiderman, or Superman, for example. He takes long running properties, says *Hmm, it's been working for 50 years, let me fuck with it and write my name in big excrement all over it* and then fucks off to whatever new shiny project distracts him. Would Ennis, Ellis, Gibson be of the same ilk? I dunno. I just thought it was worth pointing out - great writers or no, they need to know how to play in someone elses sandbox.

  • Arguably the best writer to ever work on Dr Who, but I do not think the best showrunner. I like a lot of what he's done, and I was as excited as everyone else when he was given command of the franchise after RTD left, but in retrospect I would probably have prefered someone else was in charge and Moffat was still writing just 1-2 episodes per season, because at least that way each of his was a masterpiece. Conversely with RTD there aren't as many specific one-off episodes I can point to as being excellent, but I think as showrunner he did a damn fine job.

  • Aug. 14, 2012, 10:14 a.m. CST

    The Moff on 5live today...

    by dj_bollocks

    You'll get the Moff's interview with Richard Bacon before tonight's Premiere screening here - http://www.bbc.co.uk/iplayer/radio Just click on 5Live and it should start about 55mins in. Some interesting stuff in there... or at least you can infer some interesting stuff there... Moff's cards VERY close to his chest.

  • Aug. 14, 2012, 10:26 a.m. CST

    Thought JMS's run on Spider-Man was brilliant.

    by dj_bollocks

    Certainly better than the excremental reboot we had after it. His Superman and Wonder Woman were messy affairs but could have been different had there not been the New 52 reboot... A Mark Millar take on Doctor Who might be interesting though.

  • Aug. 14, 2012, 10:48 a.m. CST

    Obijuan - Warren Ellis and Garth Ennis have done scripts

    by DoctorTom

    at least for animated television (he did a Justice League Unlimited story, and did scripts/treatments for the Marvel anime stuff that apparently the Japanese studios promptly ignored). He wrote at least one movie script (I think the movie's in development hell). I don't think he had much of a hand in on the Global Frequency pilot, but you can see his fingerprints all over what was filmed. Ironically, a lot of that pilot was based on the macguffin from the Planetary/Batman story he did, with Global Frequency worked in instead of Planetary, and Batman worked out . Garth Ennis did a short movie, Stitched, which is also one of his current comic series at Avatar. He wrote it, and I think he might even have directed it.

  • Aug. 14, 2012, 10:51 a.m. CST

    Here's the Moff Link

    by dj_bollocks

    http://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/p00xct2q

  • That said, he's made it known that for television work he doesn't want to just do work for hire, so I doubt you'd see him write a script for something he wasn't also showrunning. I don't see him writing Doctor Who. Of course, this talk about great writers not necessarily making great Doctor Who writers reminds me of the mess back in the 80's when JN-T and Eric Saward tried getting Christopher Priest to write for the show, rejected his scripts and then slagged him off in the press. The written, mis-spelled comments by Saward were hilarious, and resulted in the BBC having to apologize to Priest.

  • Aug. 14, 2012, 11:16 a.m. CST

    Rebel - actually there are one or two RTD scripts you can point to

    by DoctorTom

    Midnight was an excellent one-off.

  • Aug. 14, 2012, 1:23 p.m. CST

    Gaiman, etc.

    by ByTor

    The Gaiman thing for S7 is an unsubstantiated rumor, and I'm fairly certain it's bogus. I'm sure Moffat would love to have Gaiman write more for the show; the limiting factor is almost certainly going to be Gaiman's schedule; Gaiman has a lot of irons in the fire, as it were. V'Shael: yeah, that's an outstanding example actually. JMS on B5 was terrific, but JMS in the middle of other things, not so much. And Rebel Scumb, I agree 100% with your comments about Moffat and RTD.

  • I wonder what time I should start searching for the inevitable leaks?

  • Aug. 14, 2012, 1:32 p.m. CST

    Leaks are unlikely

    by ByTor

    Or at least, we really haven't had leaks the last few times they've done this. At best you'd probably get a horrid cell-phone capture. No thanks.

  • Starting any time now, really.

  • Aug. 14, 2012, 2:42 p.m. CST

    I hope the only leak tonight will be...

    by dj_bollocks

    The premiere date ! Moffat will be his usual "Please don't leak anything" self... Bound to be some wee wank that can't help themselves...

  • Aug. 14, 2012, 2:49 p.m. CST

    September 1st

    by dj_bollocks

    Just hearing it on the t'internet... To be officially confirmed tonight...

  • Aug. 14, 2012, 3:32 p.m. CST

    Stuff being revealed at midnight....

    by dj_bollocks

    "a brand new gallery of images from the next series going live" in 2 1/2 hours... And I sense a few more bits and bobs too...

  • Aug. 14, 2012, 5:45 p.m. CST

    Matt Smith on the BBC tonight

    by cosmic_dolphin

    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/entertainment-arts-19263781

  • Aug. 14, 2012, 6:05 p.m. CST

    Sept 1 is looking very likely

    by ByTor

    I'm hearing that Sept 1 was confirmed at the BFI screening.

  • Aug. 14, 2012, 6:11 p.m. CST

    Hi res pics here...

    by dj_bollocks

    http://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/galleries/p00xch0g

  • Aug. 14, 2012, 8:47 p.m. CST

    Arrrrg. With 9/1 so close, I guess I'll avoid 'em. Damn it.

    by Perigee

    GB had some eyes on, and they're saying go in as a virgin for the big shocks. So, there's at least one big shock. And so, I'll try the best I can to hold back my rampant curiosity.

  • 1: Asylum of the Daleks 2: Dinosaurs on a Spaceship 3: A Town Called Mercy 4: The Power of Three 5: The Angels Take Manhattan

  • Aug. 15, 2012, 8:34 a.m. CST

    Spoiler-free review of Asylum of the Daleks

    by ByTor

    http://bit.ly/PnsBZ4

  • Aug. 15, 2012, 9:55 a.m. CST

    Something I just realized last night

    by DoctorTom

    The pteranodons in The Wedding of River Song - this is the first time we've had dinosaurs in Doctor who that weren't rubbish effects. Dinosaurs in a Spaceship will (hopefully) be the first time they get featured in more than a throwaway bit in Doctor Who where they won't look like rubbish. Imagine doing Invasion of the Dinosaurs now - it would be only a 1 or 2 parter, to start with - it would look fantastic.

  • Aug. 15, 2012, 10:01 a.m. CST

    A guess on some plot for Asylum of the Daleks

    by DoctorTom

    I haven't read any spoiler reviews or anything that really indicates plot, just some guesses based on the Season 7 trailer. The Daleks call the Doctor so that he can get his wife to stop picking on them. Not Sexy, but River - the other wife. We do see River in the S7 trailer, and the way the Doctor smiles when he says "who do you think?" when asked who killed all the Daleks is the same "oh, that River" smile he's had before talking about her. We also haven't seen anything yet in River's history to justify the Dalek begging for mercy merely on hearing her name in that scene in The Big Bang. This might be the story to establish River as the mighty Dalek Killer.

  • Aug. 15, 2012, 10:47 a.m. CST

    "Picking on them." That's Lovely.

    by Perigee

    So - you've got me. What are you waiting for? At long last - Here I am. Now what?

  • Aug. 15, 2012, 10:51 a.m. CST

    Ahem..

    by Perigee

    The whole place erupts in a chorus of ~MERCY! MERCY!!!~ ~Dok- Tor. Your wife picks on us!~ ~PICKS! PICKS!!!~ ~Last week she gave Dalek Sid a swirlie. And yesterday, he gave Dalek Wally a wedgie. And Dalek Walley does not wear underpants!~ ~Well, what do you expect ME to do about it? I Do wear underpants - imagine what she'd do to me. Frankly, that crazy bitch scares the hell out of me...~ ~...Hello. Sweetie...~ ~Oh Christ....~ ~MERCY MERCY MERCY MERCY!!!~

  • Aug. 15, 2012, 11:03 a.m. CST

    Doctortom: interesting

    by ByTor

    I always took the River-Dalek-mercy thing as the Dalek just looking at River's general history and realizing she had no compunctions about killing, but it would not surprise me to learn that your theory is correct. It would be a very Moffat thing to do. I'm definitely looking forward to a Moffat-scripted Dalek episode, and the denofgeek.com review has me fired up for this. GODDAMMIT I WANT NEW DOCTOR WHO RIGHT NOW!!!

  • Aug. 15, 2012, 11:40 a.m. CST

    Perigee - that's hilarious!

    by DoctorTom

    I might not be correct with my guess, given the TV Guide-style synopsis that the BBC put out, but not necessarily. I would love to see the scene you imagined, though, if only as a DVD extra!

  • Aug. 15, 2012, 11:49 a.m. CST

    Just a thought on a multiDoctor story (but not for the anniversary)

    by DoctorTom

    This would only happen if Moffat handles a Doctor after Matt Smith, or it's near the end of his production time and he's in close cahoots with the next production team about the next Doctor. It would be a very Moffatesque wibbly-wobbly timey wimg thing if the first time we see the next Doctor after Matt Smith is actually in a "two Doctors" story with Matt Smith and getting to see them interact. We get a later story where we see Matt Smith regenerate into that person. RTD didn't do it because he wanted to reintroduce the concept of regeneration at the end of Eccleston's season, not spring another Doctor running around in season 1. By the end of his time, it was going to be a new production team handling Matt Smith so he didn't want to intrude there. (That said, could you imagine if, instead of Planet of the Dead we had a Moffat written story with Matt Smith and David Tennant then?). I suspect, though, that Moffat will be leaving either at the same time as Matt Smith, or before Matt Smith leaves. (If Moff leaves before, that still doesn't preclude him from being able to come back and write that story for the new production team, though.)

  • Aug. 15, 2012, 12:07 p.m. CST

    doctortom

    by ByTor

    Hmm. I think that would be difficult to pull off, and might not be a great idea for a number of reasons. First, you get a small exposure to the new guy. What if he's not an instant hit? Now you've got several episodes without him, giving people plenty of time to get worked up about the new guy without seeing more of him. I mean, you could end up with a Twin Dilemma type of situation. Second, it distracts from the current Doctor's swan song. Imagine season 21 of the classic series. Imagine if Colin showed up during Planet of Fire. I think it would be a bit of a shame. Finally there's the logistics of getting the guy signed up and available. He's not getting his full-time salary yet, so presumably he'd be doing other work to pay the bills. It's not hard to envision a scenario where he's simply not available. It'd be a cool thing for us ming-mongs, but I think there are a lot of possible downsides.

  • Aug. 15, 2012, 1:03 p.m. CST

    doctom - I called that as well with

    by Michael_Jacksons_Ghost

    River being the one to kill all of those Daleks. The Mercy cry from The Big Bang sealed that for me as well, and River being pissed that mommy got hurt, as seen in the Asylum pics.

  • Aug. 15, 2012, 1:50 p.m. CST

    bytor

    by DoctorTom

    Actually, it wouldn't have surprised me to have had Colin Baker show up in Planet of Fire - they were throwing everything else including the kitchen sink into that one. If they would have tried that stunt, though, it probably would have been during Resurrection of the Daleks - Davison working things from his end, and Colin Baker popping in, reluctantly running an errand for the Time Lords to track down Davros because they heard that Davros was going to try something against the Time Lords... You have a valid point, though - but I imagine if you do it, you'd allow more than one story for the new guy - maybe halfway through the season (or, in this case, do the multiDoctor story first or second, have him regenerate going into the Christmas episode and let the new one have the Christmas special. As for the new one not getting a full time salary, there's ways around that. I keep thinking back to Season 24. BBC wanted a new Doctor, Colin didn't want to do only one story for a regeneration. I thought that it was a shame, they could have had the 7th Doctor be Colin Baker's companion, probably not even realizing he's the Doctor until the end of the first or second story. You'd set up a mystery of what happened, and get a season of seeing both Doctors together. Have some dramatic finish at the end of the season where the regeneration occurs, and the version of the new Doctor that's been through it all takes the newly regenerated version of himself back in time/space so that the previous regeneration finds him, the web of time is preserved, and we go ahead with just the new Doctor. (As a side bonus, for all the people who complain about too much focus on the companion - if the companion's the Doctor himself then you're still focusing on the Doctor.) Yes, there are definitely perils, but there are potential upsides too.

  • How bizarre, when you think about it; when they introduced the iDaleks, a trio of perfectly serviceable Daleks happily submitted to destruction, simply because they weren't the perfect Dalek. Now we've got a whole planet of deeply flawed Daleks, tucked away By the Daleks, and for some peculiar reason they haven't been Ex-Term-In - Ated. Which would absolutely be the Dalek de rigueur. So. They must have something the Daleks need. Sooo. They Shanghai the Doctor (who they really don't like) and ship him down figuring if anybody can get over on a Dalek, it's him. Assuming these two things are true, the Daleks would have no further use for the crazy Daleks, once whatever they wanted was acquired, and Ex-Term-min-ate would happily follow. So, that's my guess, Doc. I have a better question. If 1) the Daleks were kept alive because they have something, and 2)the Daleks capture their mortal enemy just to get their plumber's helper on it, and 3)as soon as The Doctor got it the Daleks wiped out the Daffy Daleks... It probably wouldn't be healthy to give the Daleks what you got from the Dead Daffy Daleks. So, where do you go from there...?

  • Aug. 15, 2012, 3:46 p.m. CST

    doctortom

    by ByTor

    I think your idea sounds interesting, but I think it would again really only be interesting to us hardcore fans. I think doing stories like that would be a turn-off to casual viewers, and without casual viewers, the show dies. Yes, it wouldn't have been SURPRISING to see Colin show up in Planet of Fire, but it would not have been GOOD, either. It weakens Davison's final farewell and makes the head spin. In general, what ever fan-wanky things JNT was up to during the latter days should be treated as what NOT to do for a successful franchise. As a fan, I loved seeing McCoy show up in the telefilm. As a producer, I never would've done it in a million years. It was colossally stupid to try and introduce an audience to a show by killing the main character twenty minutes in. And to be honest, other than getting a great timey-wimey experience for us anoraks, I'm not sure what the upside really is. Still...if there's one guy I think could really pull off a timey-wimey fangasm and do it well, it's probably The Moff. :)

  • Aug. 15, 2012, 3:48 p.m. CST

    Sounds good, perigee

    by ByTor

    Of course, the Daleks haven't always been consistent. Remember when they captured Davros and took him back to Skaro to stand trial for crimes against the Daleks? I was speechless when I first saw that one. Daleks? A criminal JUSTICE system? Why wouldn't they just exterminate him? Ah well, that's Saward for you. :p

  • Aug. 16, 2012, 1:57 p.m. CST

    mcgootoo

    by Abe

    you hit the nail on the head. "Abevigoda's father is reating to bad acting- it is that simple- Matt Smith is like having Michael Cera playing Captain Kirk" I hope he knows who Michael Cera is, because he will shit himself laughing. Great and accurate way to put it. I disagree firmly, but I can totally see that. I am in the lets-make-him-an-older-gentleman-again-next-time-shall-we Camp.

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