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The Friday Docback Witnesses The 'Resurrection Of The Daleks'!! DOCTOR WHO Story #134, The New DOCTOR WHO: GOOD AS GOLD Minisode, Matt Smith Carries The Olympic Torch - Now With Vid, Win A Free Download Of DOCTOR WHO: THE ETERNITY



Unofficial promo/trailer linked by Man_of_Vertue 



Merrick here...
...with a quick look at Resurrection of the Daleks, a Davison-era DOCTOR WHO adventure originally transmitted in February 1984.  
Representing Davison’s sole tangle with the Daleks, Resurrection was structured to spread over DW’s traditional four-part (25ish minute installments) story arc - but initially aired in two installments to accommodate unique scheduling considerations at the time.  
But first...
This was posted yesterday, but in case you haven’t sen it yet:  here’s Good as Gold - the results of this year’s Script To Screen competition in the UK.  
Script to Screen encourages school age children (ages 9-11 in this instance) to submit short-subject DOCTOR WHO stories...the selected story is then filmed by the real DOCTOR WHO team and broadcast to the masses.  Such a wonderfully cool concept.  
This was transmitted yesterday during BBC’s long-running BLUE PETER children’s themed show. The embeds below come to us via DoctorWhoTV.


(image via BBC
(image via BBC
More video HERE!!
Current Doctor Matt Smith will carry the Olympic Torch tomorrow morning in Cardiff!  Per THIS piece at BBC…
Matt’s run will begin at approximately 6.20am by the Norwegian Church Arts Centre in Cardiff (details below). He will wear the official Torch Bearer uniform and carry the Flame for a short leg of the journey before handing it to the next runner on the steps of the Senedd, often known as the Welsh Assembly Building.
Matt’s part of the relay begins at approximately 6.20am on Saturday, 26 May at the Norwegian Church Arts Centre, Harbour Drive, Cardiff Bay, CF10 4PA. He will hand over the Olympic Flame at the Senedd, National Assembly Building, Cardiff, CF99 1NA.
Very cool, very exciting, and we wish Matt all the best on this wonderfully symbolic and meaningful undertaking.  His involvement makes so much sense, in so many ways.
Matt's progress can be tracked on the BBC's Olympics page, HERE.  It's not clear at this time if folks outside the UK will be able to watch as well (probably not), although we'll be sure to embed video  of Matt's Torch run as soon as embeds become available.  
This didn’t get included in last week’s Docback, but is still worthy of mention all the same, as the happening itself occurs this Sunday. 
Current DOCTOR WHO overlord Steven Moffat...who also brings us the incomprehensibly amazing SHERLOCK...will receive a special BAFTA (British Academy of Film and Television Arts) award.  

Recognizing his "outstanding creative writing contribution to television", the award will be presented on 27 May at London's Royal Festival Hall.

...says THIS piece on BBC.  
About the special award, Moffat says...

"Blimey! A special award!" said Moffat, "I didn't even know I was ill." 
...which is particularly funny to me as my father, also an author, frequently asserted that such awards were usually a harbinger of the recipient’s sickness or immediate demise.   
Hoping and assuming this is not the case with good Mister Moffat, we offer the heartiest congratulations for this much deserved recognition as we continue to move inexorably toward the debut of DOCTOR WHO Season/Series 7, due later this year.  More SHERLOCK’s on the way as well...just not quite yet.  
It’s downloadable for PS3 via PlayStation Network.  I haven’t gotten too deeply into the game (I’m currently River Song and about to escape from Stormcage Containment Facility - which is late in the second level), but I’ve quite enjoyed what I’ve played so far.  It's a solid and smart adventure for fans of modern WHO, and nicely achieves a balance between good, old-fashioned video game and the show's slick, modern presentation and sensibilities.  
Several initial notes:  
** It’s a side scrolling game whose graphics are rather dimensional - although (up to this point, at least) characters remain on a side-scrolling plane. They climb, jump, duck, swing, etc. - but always maintaining a side-scrolling approach within relatively complex environs.  The embed above suggest that this approach will remain consistent throughout the entirety of the game.  
** So far, progression in the game very much hinges on puzzles.  For example:  escaping from Stormcage (thus advancing the game’s narrative) involves the proper connection of two points on a large grid...using strands of characters whose symbols have to line-up just so, while matching (end to end) he other symbols they’re being connected to, while occupying JUST the right number of grid spaces between point A and point Z - otherwise the connection won’t be established, pathways won’t be opened, and Stromcage can’t be escaped.  For someone who is not terribly adept at this kind of thinking...someone like me...this proves surprisingly challenging, even on the simple setting.  
** With this in mind:  when you launch your game, you’ll be asked to select a difficulty level for such puzzles.  Kudos to the game designers who opted to make this difficulty level changeable on-the-fly.  I.e. players can select easier, or more difficult, puzzle challenge settings without losing progress in the game itself.  Nice. 
** Sneaking up on guards on kissing them with Hallucinogenic lipstick is harder than you’d’s also more fun than you’d think...presuming you’re comfortably in touch with your feminine side, and/or don’t find your masculinity threatened by a strong female like River Song.  
** The game is very, very fully steeped in modern WHO mythos.  Murray Gold’s iconic, propulsive thematics for are present throughout, sound effects and other nods to the Moffat model (Moffle!) series are omnipresent.  Not surprising in the least.  What I’m actually trying to say...somewhat  whereas some games of this type might employ general movements and characters from he shows they’re adapting, but take many liberties (not use actual score or themes, change designs unnecessarily, deploy a story which doesn’t jibe with the franchises’ universe terribly well), Eternity Clock is very much a full-on DOCTOR WHO experience, clearly developed and executed by people closely familiar with, and who fully understand, the current iteration of the show. 
** Sonic screwdrivers are cool.  You get to use one very soon after the game begins.  
The Eternity Clock features voices of reigning Doctor Matt Smith, and Alex Kingston (River Song on the Moffat serieses), and is built from a story which The Moff himself helped forge.  The fine folks at BBC Worldwide have provided one (1) download code with which one (1) lucky Aint It Cool reader can download the game for their PlayStation 3 or PlayStation Vita.  Access to the PlaySation Network is, obviously, necessary.  
How do you get this code?  Between now and 11:59 PM CST USA on Sunday May 27, I've pre-selected one (1) time of day on one (1) pre-selected date.  
Whoever e-mails me at, or closest to, my pre-selected time on my preselected date will receive this download code.  Only THREE ENTRIES PER PERSON, PER DAY, will be allowed.  Anyone deviating from this limitation will see all of their entries for that day summarily discarded.  
BE SURE TO SEND FROM A FREQUENTLY CHECKED E-MAIL ADDRESS!!  THIS IS VERY IMPORTANT!! This will allow me to e-mail you your download code! !
IN THE SUBJECT LINE, include the phrase "London monsters are cool! "  If this is not in your subject line, your message won't be filtered correctly and I'll most likely not see it.  
BE SURE YOU SEND E-MAIL TO THE ADDRESS LINKED BELOW!!  You'd be surprised how many people send entries to the wrong place.  
Have fun, best of luck, and thanks so much for your time and support!  
BBC Home Entertainment, Aint It Cool News, and The Alamo Drafthouse Invite You To A Free Screening Of DOCTOR WHO: 'Dragonfire' In Austin!! 
Over the last few months, BBC Home Entertainment, Aint It Cool News, and the Alamo Drafthouse have screened the 'classic' DOCTOR WHO stories The Three Doctors and The Daemons here in Austin -  at the shiny and amazing new Alamo Drafthouse on Slaughter Lane.  The response from attendees has been enormous, and seeing these titles projected via the Alamo's exceptional technical facilities has proven to be both a unique and impressive experience.  
The Daemons is newly available on DVD HERE.  
Everyone's having so much fun with our screenings that we're very excited to do it again!  We hope you'll join us on May 26 at 1pm at the Alamo Drafthouse on Slaughter Lane in Southwest Austin, for a screening of Dragonfire...
...a Sylvester McCoy era adventure from 1987 which BBC describes thusly:  
At the Iceworld Space Trading Colony on Svartos, the seventh Doctor (Sylvester McCoy) and Mel (Bonnie Langford) unexpectedly encounter an old ‘friend.’ The penniless and desperate Sabalom Glitz (Tony Selby) has only one option to leave Svartos: find the fabled ‘Dragonfire’ treasure concealed somewhere in the depths of the planet.
Joined by Ace (Sophie Aldred), a teenage waitress with a love for explosives, the group ventures off to uncover lost riches. Little did they know that Kane (Edward Peel), Iceworld’s ruthlessly intimidating overlord, has murder on the mind and will not hesitate to do away with them in order to gain possession of the Dragonfire. Before long the Doctor finds himself playing a deadly game of cat and mouse with Kane’s mercenaries, descending through the ice caverns ever closer towards the deadly gaze of the monstrous dragon that lurks below.
As always, there will be prizes - but this time around said prizes will be attached to a much-anticipated, oft-requested COSTUME CONTEST!  Given that an integral component in Dragonfire is the exit of one companion and the introduction of a new one, we thought it would fun to award the main prize for this particular contest to the costume best reflecting your favorite companion.  Runner up prizes will be award to "Best Doctor" and "Best DOCTOR WHO" T-shirt.  
The event is free to the public and general admission - which means first come, first seated/served.  However, THESE RSVP MEAL VOUCHERS will guarantee your admission.  (NOTE: the ticket vouchers had not yet become available when we first posted this link - but they're there now!) Due to the high level of interest in our previous screenings, I strongly suggest moving quickly to secure your seats if you're hoping to attend.  
This should be a great deal of fun, and we're very much looking forward to seeing you there! 
Resurrection of the Daleks 
"The universe is at war, Doctor.  Name one planet whose history is not littered wth atrocities and ambition for empire. It is a universal way of life".  - Davros, Resurrection of the Daleks Part 2
The Doctor (Peter Davison) and companions Tegan (Janet Fielding) and Turlough (Mark Strickson) are embroiled in a dangerous power struggle within the Dalek ranks.  
About thirty minutes into Resurrection of the Daleks, an episode I rather enjoyed on the whole, I found myself scratching my head a bit:  there’s a great deal happening in this story - multiple characters moving across multiple settings with concurrent narratives - and Resurrection simply feels...overloaded.  At first I wondered if the cold I’d been slogging through over the past week...a particularly brutal one which pretty much put me to sleep for three days...had taken a tole on my perceptual faculties.  Then I hit ‘Pause,’ jumped onto TARDIS Wiki and saw THIS note regarding scripter Eric Saward’s assessment of the tale:  
Eric Saward was unsatisfied with the story, saying in a DVD commentary that it was too frantic, with too many ideas.

Which pretty much sums it up.  Resurrection of the Daleks is filled with many interesting notions and some truly lovely sequences, but it’s told with a bit of a shotgun effect...a blast of information which certainly forms a whole (see what I did there?), while each component never feels fully realized or thoroughly explored.  A subplot involving action set in 1984 London feels disconnected and almost completely extraneous, despite Ian Punter’s often impressive and cinematic location photography.  

A Dalek subplot involving the duplication of people...whose doppelgangers emerge as pepperpot minions (there’s a name for a rock group) is interesting in itself, but doesn’t seem to support Resurrection’s main through line, which involves political maneuvering and upheaval within the Dalek ranks. 

This said, Resurrection is not without upsides.  A well played moment in which Davison’s Doctor - reluctantly taking on the weight of assassinating villainous Dalek engineer Davros (Terry Molloy) - confronts his target is quite amazing, and nicely conveys a multitude of shifting emotions from both actors. Another sequence - a Dalek attempt to replicate/clone the Doctor - results in a clever montage of memory snippets, essentially providing a tour of past companions and Doctors all the way back to Hartnell (the first Doctor).  And, there’s unexpected moment of heartbreak and pathos when companion Tegan decides she no longer wants to travel with the Doctor.  
Resurrection of the Daleks features ample Tegan legs and mini.  
“It’s stopped being fun, Doctor...” laments Tegan when the stress and chaos left in the Doctor’s slipstream have simply become too much for her to bear.  She then runs off, apparently afraid of what might happen or what might be said if she stays.  Powerful.  
Which points towards Resurrection’s most notable quality:  its tone.  A friend recently asked me to describe DOCTOR WHO succinctly, and I said it as about “consequences.” Specifically, I was referring to how the Doctor’s behavior and decisions impact others in both positive and negative ways, on both a personal and grandiose scale.  This story bears out my characterization nicely.  Resurrection more or less breaks poor Tegan.  By his own admission, the Doctor’s lack of follow-through in a previous story leads to this tale’s apocalyptic reveal that the Daleks have seeded operatives in “strategic positions” across the Earth.  Bodies of fallen combatants litter various settings.  A fleeing woman is gunned down coldly, screaming in primal terror and agony as she collapses to the floor dead.  The gooey and chunky remains of ‘sploded Dalek creatures ooze down sides of their armored chassis, and so on.  Resurrection is a bleak story, conveyed bleakly.   A violent tale, told violently.  
Too much for the children said to be DOCTOR WHO’s target audience?  I suppose that’s open to debate, but I’d argue that there is actually considerable meaning and value to approaching potentially silly, comic booky material in an honest way.   As fanciful as time travel, Daleks, and mind-controlled duplicates may be at face value, there’s a certain truth at work in Resurrection of the Daleks.  Actions and reactions do not exist in a vacuum in this story.  There is repercussion at play here.  Thus...consequence. Violence isn’t pretty or fun.  Evil isn’t glamorized.  And what happens...hurts people.  Both physically, emotionally, and sometimes irrecoverably.  
These qualities shape a message that’s very much worth delivering, even if this particular package doesn’t convey it point as fully or as precisely as it might have. 
A newly restored Resurrection of the Daleks releases June 12 in the U.S. and is available for preorder HERE.  UK readers can find it HERE.  
Extras include...
Casting Far and Wide (32:18)
Hosted by Toby Hadoke, this feature examines five of the actors appearing in Resurrection of the Daleks (Roger Davenport  - Trooper, Del Henney - Colonel Archer, Leslie Grantham - Kiston, Jim Findley - Mercer, William Sleigh - Galoway).  They discuss their time with the story and its affects on their career.  
On Location (18:32) 

Resurrection of the Daleks director Matthew Robinson (who also helmed Attack of the Cybermen - C. Baker, Story #137), writer Eric Saward, and producer John Nathan-Turner discuss the making of the story and tour its remarkable London locations.  
Deleted and Extended Scenes (7:05) 
Breakfast Time (7:58) 
Janet Fielding (Tegan) and producer John Nathan-Turner appear on a morning talk show, which features a discussion of DOCTOR WHO’s sound effects and score with Brian Hodgson (BBC Radiophonic Workshop) and composer Malcolm Clarke.  
Turner reveals that Tegan’s full name - Tegan Jovanka - actually came about by accident when a typist misread his notes (suggesting her forthcoming character might be called either Tegan or Jovanka) and combined the names.  
Trailer (0:33) 
Vintage promo for Resurrection of the Daleks. 
The Last Dalek (9:36)
A fascinating Behind the Scenes reel of the visual effects team realizing action scenes for Evil of the Daleks (Troughton, Story #36   ) at Ealing Film Studios in April 1967.  

Radio TImes Listings 
Coming Soon (1:37) 
A trailer for the forthcoming DVD release of Death to the Daleks.  
Come in Number Five (56:29) 
David Tennant hosts a look at Behind the Scenes adventures and maneuverings as fifth Doctor Peter Davison joins the series.  A very honest retrospective of what was happening on the show - creatively and politically - at that point in its history.  
Insight from...
-- John Nathan-Turner (1999 interview) 
-- Christopher H. Bidmead (Script Editor, 1980)
-- Peter Davison (fifth Doctor) 
-- David Reid (BBC Head of Series & Serials 1981-83) 
-- Barry Letts (Executive Producer 1980-81)
-- Anthony Root (Script Editor (1980-81) 
-- Eric Saward (Script Editor 1981-86) 
-- Janet Fielding (Tegan) 
-- THE Steven Moffat 
-- Fiona Cumming (director Davison era) 
--- Marc Strickson (companion Turlough)
Not always a terribly flattering portrayal of John Nathan-Turner.  
Re: directors who helmed the series at that time...
What we tended to finish up with were people who had recently completed their directors course.  Or, quite old directors who had lots of experience but were really, to a degree, just biding their time.”  - Eric Saward, Script Editor 
Tomorrow’s Times: The Fifth Doctor (12:19) 
Snippets of press reaction to Davison-era DOCTOR WHO via the British Library’s newspaper archive.  Hosted by Frazer Hines 
Walrus (1:23) 
A Dalerk pics on some weird Welsh woman about how poorly she speaks.  I have no idea why this piece was created and it confuses me.  Not that doing so is terribly difficult.  
Photo gallery (5:18)
Next Week 
The Seeds of Death (Troughton, Story #48) 


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"The Impossible Astronaut"

"Day of the Moon"

"The Curse of the Black Spot"

"The Doctor's Wife"

"The Rebel Flesh"

"The Almost People"

"A Good Man Goes To War"

"Let's Kill Hitler"

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"The Doctor, The Widow and the Wardrobe" (2011 Christmas Special)  





"An Unearthly Child" (Story #1)

"The Daleks" (Story #2)

"The Edge of Destruction" (Story #3)

"Marco Polo" (Story #4)

"The Keys of Marinus(Story #5)

"The Aztecs" (Story #6)

"The Sensorites" (Story #7)

"The Sensorites" (Story #7 - full DVD release) 

"The Reign of Terror" (Story #8)

"Planet of Giants" (Story #9) 

"The Dalek Invasion of Earth" (Story #10)

"The Rescue" (Story #11) 

"The Romans"  (Story #12) 

"The Web Planet" (Story #13) / SHERLOCK - "A Scandal in Belgravia" (Story #4)

"The Crusade" (Story #14) 

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"The Chase" (Story #16) 

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Mission to the Unkonwn (Story #19) 

"The Myth Makers" (Story #20) 

"The Gunfighters" (Story #25)

"The Tomb of the Cybermen" (Story #37) 

"The Colony in Space" (Story #58) 

"The Daemons" (Story #59) 

"Day of the Daleks" (Story #60) + Preview of the DotD Special Edition

"The Three Doctors" (Story #65) 

"Carnival of Monsters" (Story #66) 

"Invasion of the Dinosaurs" (Story #71) and SHERLOCK: "The Reichenbach Fall" (Story #6) 

"The Android Invasion" (Story #83) and SHERLOCK: "The Hounds of Baskerville" (Story #5) 

"The Face of Evil" (Story #89) 

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"The Talons of Weng-Chiang" (Story #91)

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"Nightmare of Eden" (Story #107) 

"The Awakening" (Story #131)

"Frontios(Story #132)

"The Caves of Androzani" (Story #136) 

"Time and the Rani" (Story #144)

"Paradise Towers" (Story #145) + New WHOvian Documentary / Newsbits

"Dragonfire" (Story #147) 

"The Happiness Patrol" (Story #149) 


Merrick's Personal Journey With The Doctor (How Merrick Got Hooked On DOCTOR WHO)

DOCTOR WHO Title Sequences & DW At Comic-Con 2011

"The Crash of the Elysium" (Manchester version - interactive DOCTOR WHO adventure)

Why Eccleston Left, Here Comes Caroline Skinner, And Season/Series Six Part 1 on Blu-Ray And DVD

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  • I love the tone. It was needed for Doctor Who. It is not needed every week, but it is needed. And it is a good way to deal with Tegan's leaving the Doctor. I also think Terry Molloy is the best Davros (when one combines all the work he has done as Davros), though the best on screen is still what we see on Genesis of the Daleks. Terry has had a wonderful amount of work with Big Finish (and then with Cosmic Hobo productions) that I really appreciate the love he has for Doctor Who and Doctor Who fans. A great who doesn't get the accolades he deserves. And of course, there are the BF Dalek stories. If you can, try to get "The Four Companions." It's a great 5th Doctor BF story, and is a good Dalek one as well. Tegan's coda after Resurrection of the Daleks in BF is also sad. If you thought she was through with the consequences of being with the Doctor in this one, wait until you see what her adventures did to her. It's not good. A destroyed life in more than one way.

  • May 25, 2012, 11:55 a.m. CST

    TGIF everyone!

    by Michael_Jacksons_Ghost

    Hope everyone has a great weekend! Cheers

  • May 25, 2012, 11:58 a.m. CST

    Rula Lenska!

    by Kauzi Sezso

    Notable for her appearance when originally transmitted in the US, mostly because over here, she was only known for doing shampoo commercials.

  • May 25, 2012, noon CST

    Also notorious for its rumored violence

    by Kauzi Sezso

    which really wasn't so bad. However, when it was originally broadcast on my local PBS station, the sound was removed from the gunshots and explosions in an effort to downplay the violence.

  • May 25, 2012, 12:04 p.m. CST

    Always a dark story

    by I am_NOTREAL

    One of the best of the Davison era in my mind, though. Even overly busy it was one of strongest stories in his tenure. The various threads may not have been that well connected but they opened me up to the possibilities of more ambitious storytelling.

  • Summer finally landed in the U.K. - i suspect everyone's going to be at the pub...

  • May 25, 2012, 12:25 p.m. CST

    It's also a big weekend in the US

    by HornOrSilk

    But I think the hits will be low all over

  • May 25, 2012, 12:35 p.m. CST

    kauzi sezso - original US broadcast

    by DoctorTom

    Episode 2 (this was originally 2 45-50 minute episodes instead of 4 25 minute episdoes) was originally broadcast without the music or the sound for special effects. It wasn't done to downplay the violence, though, it was just a screwup. After it had been caught and reported back to BBC Worldwide/Lionheart (or it might have been Time Life, I can't recall if they were still handling things at that point for US distribution) they rectified the situation after a few months..

  • May 25, 2012, 12:36 p.m. CST

    About consequences, and has consequences in stories to come

    by KanekoFan

    There's not much I have to say about this one that hasn't been covered already. I quite like the tone - although it works because it is in contrast to the show's norm, and I certainly wouldn't want to majority of episodes to play this way - and it's placement so close to the end of Davison's run is notable; the realizations the Doctor has here about the consequences of his actions could easily be seen as influencing choices he makes in both Planet of Fire and The Caves of Androzani. I don't love Resurrection of the Daleks; as indicated by others, it's a little too muddled. But it represents an important moment in the show's history, reacting to much of what has come before and setting up much of what is to follow. But compared to much of what is to come over the next few years, it's part of a last hurrah for a form of the show which could appeal to sophisticated tastes as much as - or more than - to the undiscriminating and juvenile.

  • May 25, 2012, 12:39 p.m. CST

    Good Story

    by donkey_lasher

    Dalek stories were always special back in old Who. There was always a thrill to see the return of Davros and his Daleks and I loved the division between his and the Imperial Daleks which complicated things. I always thought Davros would end up as a head in a box, or have his brain transplanted into an actual Dalek. His return was disappointing. I hate what they have done to the Daleks since the first new Who.

  • May 25, 2012, 12:40 p.m. CST

    Ugh, "its placement," not "it's placement"

    by KanekoFan

    On most boards, I wouldn't bother with the correction, but I suspect a fair number of Docbackers have a good idea of what is or is not a possessive pronoun. Also, the last sentence of my first paragraph is abysmally poor, and the last sentence of my second paragraph is ambiguous in the degree to which it is intended to agree or disagree with the sentence immediately preceding it. Apologies, all.

  • May 25, 2012, 1:04 p.m. CST

    Great Stuff, Mr Merrick


    I wish I had a PS3 now, though. *Sad face*

  • May 25, 2012, 1:20 p.m. CST

    Thanks, Doctortom!

    by Kauzi Sezso

    I'd read at the time it was due to the violence. Glad it was a screwup -- I was very pleased to find the sound restored years later on the DVD. Despite some clunkiness in the story, this is one of my favorites from the Fifth Doctor's era.

  • May 25, 2012, 1:24 p.m. CST

    Happy 4-day Memorial Day weekend, my fellow Yankee Whoodle Dandies!

    by obijuanmartinez

  • May 25, 2012, 1:27 p.m. CST


    by Kauzi Sezso

    Sorry, but I don't think I could disagree any more. Davros started in Genesis as a wonderful character, but weakened considerably, along with the Daleks, in subsequent stories, as they couldn't manage to write a Dalek story without bringing Davros back from the dead -- again and again and again. After a while, we get it -- the big revelation is that <shock> Davros is alive! </shock> Kind of loses its punch. I do love, on the whole, what's been done with the Daleks in the new series. While I can do without "Daleks in Manhatten" and the Power Ranger Daleks, I appreciate that the writers have gone and done what I'd given up hope for -- the Daleks are scary again! Even Davros' inevitable nth resurrection was thrilling in the new series. It helps quite a bit that Davros doesn't come back to life in Every... Dalek... Story....

  • May 25, 2012, 1:29 p.m. CST

    Watch the whole episode starting here...

    by obijuanmartinez

  • May 25, 2012, 1:49 p.m. CST

    kauzi, I agree

    by donkey_lasher

    They did use him too many times, and he turned into a barking dicatator towards the end, but the Daleks weren't used as often as they are now. And I'm kind of twisted in that I wanted to see Davros mutilated again in his latest incarnation, not just seperated from some flesh. :)

  • May 25, 2012, 1:50 p.m. CST


    by donkey_lasher

    How the hell do they keep Davros fresh? He looks about 150 years old but still has saliva.

  • May 25, 2012, 1:58 p.m. CST

    donkey lasher

    by DoctorTom

    in the latest incarnation it does look like the one hand he has left is cybernetic, which would go along with what we saw happen in the Colin Baker story.

  • May 25, 2012, 2:01 p.m. CST

    Davros in New Who

    by HornOrSilk

    You have to remember, he was taken out of time, from during the Time War. All kinds of things happened to him. He had in the audios become a remnant of himself, so to speak, but the Time War fixed it, changed it, time went backwards and forwards, messing up Davros. Then he was taken out from the midst of it. All that you wished had happened had happened. But then time was rewound.

  • May 25, 2012, 2:07 p.m. CST


    by HornOrSilk

    My ordering of his stories Genesis of the Daleks (hands down) The Juggernauts (I love how he plays Mel) I Davros Revelation of the Daleks Resurrection of the Daleks Journey's End Terror Firma Remembrance of the Daleks Curse of Davros Destiny of the Daleks

  • May 25, 2012, 2:10 p.m. CST

    Oh, I did forget one last one

    by HornOrSilk

    Davros is above the Juggernauts.. so it goes.. Genesis of the Daleks (hands down) Davros (perhaps the best Davros story, but Genesis is a better Doctor story) The Juggernauts (I love how he plays Mel) I Davros Revelation of the Daleks Resurrection of the Daleks Journey's End Terror Firma Remembrance of the Daleks Curse of Davros Destiny of the Daleks

  • May 25, 2012, 2:10 p.m. CST

    Davros in New Who

    by Kauzi Sezso

    But rewound to a point after "Revelation of the Daleks" since Davros still has his artificial hand. It also reflects the controversy over whether or not the books and audios are considered canon. I regard the audios as canon and the books are on a case-by-case basis, but there is some discussion about that. Frankly, a good way to drive yourself insane is to try and resolve canon and continuity in Doctor Who. Even TV episodes contradict other episodes.....

  • May 25, 2012, 2:11 p.m. CST

    To me, canon is the audios, and some of the books

    by HornOrSilk

    Though sometimes, time has been rewritten. And so I could almost include one last Davros story in my list.. as canon as well.. and not a book...

  • May 25, 2012, 2:14 p.m. CST

    I like cluttered stories

    by Dreamfasting

    Yes, sometimes I want to see a single idea fully and carefully explored, but I also like it when plots are treated like sets - full of all sorts of things just sitting there providing background, showing you that the events are part of a larger universe that extends beyond the story at hand. What we're seeing in this story are the edges of a complex world - a world in which the Daleks have been prematurely written off, where decay and compacency has set in. Duplicates, time corridors, it all serves as a reminder that there is more going on in this world than what you see on the screen. As a child, I had absolutely no problem following it all. I'm surprised you didn't mention the confrontation between Davros and a gun-wielding Doctor. Through their handful of confrontations over the years, these are the sorts of scenes that are my favourites - no ranting, no raving, just the calm dark tension between two wills. The first time I watched the show as a child, when it got to this scene and I was thinking "he wouldn't", then I suddenly had a flashback that in an earlier episode the Doctor had actually picked up a gun and emptied it into a Dalek mutant ... something that I had somehow not consciously registered at the time. It was the perfect mix of things happening on screen and thoughts spinning in my head. The ending is so bittersweet. Given that Tegan was a constant complainer, "it stopped being fun" packs a lot of emotions, a lot of ideas, into a single parting line. You don't really get a warm and fuzzy feeling that her character is going to live happily ever after.

  • May 25, 2012, 2:19 p.m. CST


    by HornOrSilk

    And of course, she doesn't. Originally only coming back to do Tegan's coda, I still wonder if BF will give her a happy ending now that Tegan is back back.

  • May 25, 2012, 2:33 p.m. CST

    Anyone here from the UK that's seen the 'Trial of Davros' stageplay?

    by obijuanmartinez

  • May 25, 2012, 2:50 p.m. CST

    I have not but here are some behind the scenes footage from it

    by HornOrSilk

  • May 25, 2012, 3:48 p.m. CST

    Hornorsilk - not putting in the novels with Davros?

    by DoctorTom

    Not that I blame you, that one novel by John Peel (which essentially was written to fanwank Skaro into not having been destroyed in Remembrance of the Daleks) was a pretty dire novel.

  • May 25, 2012, 4 p.m. CST

    Retconning Doctor Who

    by Kauzi Sezso

    Some of the most masterful retconning of Doctor Who was in Terrance Dicks' novel "The Eight Doctors". He retconned nearly everything from that movie that didn't fit into established continuity. Just brilliant!

  • In fact, the Eight Doctors was generally reviled when it was released. Of course, these were the people who had just come off of reading The New Adventures. The Eight Doctors wasn't a good novel to launch the range with - it took a few books (Alien Bodies) to find its way. Terrance Dicks had other books which were much, much better. Timeworm - Exodus was decent, and Mean Streets (a Bernice Summerfield book) was one of his best (Ogron private eye!!!!). Some of his later BBC books were better than The Eight Doctors - Players was pretty good, and I actually enjoyed World Game despite him seeming to want to take care of all continuity for the mythical season 6b.

  • May 25, 2012, 4:26 p.m. CST

    Now, if you want some retconning of Doctor Who, try Head Games

    by DoctorTom

    it manages to brilliantly retcon why Colin Baker had to regenerate into Sylvester McCoy. OF course, Gary Russell ignored all this when he wrote Spiral Scratch. The two aren't mutually exclusive, but Russell certainly wasn't going to pay attention to Doctor Who books put out by Virgin (unless they were his). In fact, Gary Russell has been probably the king of retconners, whereas Terrance Dicks has been more for recycling characters he had developed previously (though tossing in some interesting stuff along with that). Russell's Divided Loyalties was definitely the big retcon book - just about every major Timelord (except Omega and Rassilon) were all classmates the same year? Oh, reallllllllllllllllllllllllly?

  • May 25, 2012, 4:30 p.m. CST


    by Kauzi Sezso

    I didn't say the book was brilliant. Actually, I thought it wasn't bad, but I've read quite a few Terrance Dicks novels, so I knew what to expect. But the retconning was genius. Oh, the hoops he jumped through on some of those, like why the Daleks had a trial for the Master and how he became that mix between a snake and Terminator......

  • May 25, 2012, 4:32 p.m. CST

    Heh, they might need to get Terrance Dicks writing a new novel

    by DoctorTom

    I know he really didn't like the snake bit with the Master and worked hard to retcon it so it wouldn't happen again. I wonder what his take was on the energy-blasting, anime-leaping Master we had in The End of Time? I suspect he'd like to retcon some of that too.

  • May 25, 2012, 4:34 p.m. CST

    Omega and Rassilon

    by Kauzi Sezso

    I think Gary Russel's retcon there was using an abandoned plot twist that was hinted at in "Remembrance of the Daleks" and wisely dropped. That was the one where they were going to explain that The Doctor was The One, who, along with Rassilon and Omega, basically founded the Time Lords as we knew them. Like the idea of making Ace a Time Lord -- it was discussed, and I'm glad they dropped it.

  • May 25, 2012, 4:38 p.m. CST

    I'd also like to see Terrance have a go at

    by Kauzi Sezso

    The Doctor's Christ-like powers at the end of Series Three. Forget Daleks, I'm still disgusted at what they've done to The Master in the new series. I'd love to see Moffat reset that character, as long as he's rebooting the universe and restoring the Daleks (albeit in a candy shell).

  • May 25, 2012, 4:40 p.m. CST

    I'll have a look for Head Games

    by Kauzi Sezso

    Thanks again, doctortom! The explanation in Spiral Scratch was at least better than the one in Time and the Rani. Which ain't saying much.

  • May 25, 2012, 4:52 p.m. CST


    by HornOrSilk

    My novel days started with the start of the New Adventures and ended soon after Ace returned. I got a few novels through the years after that, but not too many. So can't do much here on Davros and the novels

  • May 25, 2012, 5:46 p.m. CST

    Just started watching Dr. Who........question......

    by SydBarretsMyDad

    Just started watching on netflix. After season one I was upset when the first actor left, I liked him better than the second. But I stuck with it because I adore rose. Then.......She leaves. Now I'm early on in season three and bored senseless. Honestly. Does it get better? Do I stick it out?

  • May 25, 2012, 6:14 p.m. CST

    @ sydbarretsmydad

    by KanekoFan

    YES, definitely stick it out. Season three is definitely NOT a high point of the series, and, with time, you'll likely find that the frequent changes are one of the most exicitng things about the show. Every few years, we get a completely new set of perspectives on the central character and the world(s) he lives in. As mucha s I hate losing characters and actors I like, this is really the thing that gives the show its longevity and its greatest appeal. It's a wild ride. Tehre are peaks, and there are valleys. But it's the change that gives it all resonance.

  • May 25, 2012, 6:20 p.m. CST


    by Rebel Scumb

    I actually think Season 3 is the strongest of them all, with season 4 a close second. I really liked Eccelston, it took me a while to warm to Tennant, and he and Rose didn't have as much chemistry But Tennant and Martha are amazing together, and thats where i think he really starts to own the role.

  • May 25, 2012, 6:23 p.m. CST


    by Rebel Scumb

    Just saw this 4th doctor era story for the first time today, I thought it was GREAT. I'd heard ho-hum reaction to it but was surprised by how awesome it was I would actually consider it one of the best of Tom Baker's era. I also never really understood the love for Lalla Ward until this episode, but she's quite yummy in her white dress. And the evil queen was a great sexy femme fatalle. Also some great production values and ideas in that one.

  • May 25, 2012, 7:01 p.m. CST

    re: Creature from the Pit

    by KanekoFan

    Count me among the ho-hum reactors to that one. I agree that there are some great ideas there, and some great production values, but I find some of the cutting of the filmed material distractingly clunky compared to the VT scenes, and in general I'm just not as emotionally invested as I'd need to be for the story to pull me in. It's not bad, but I consider solidly mid-range.

  • May 25, 2012, 7:12 p.m. CST

    rebel scumb

    by HornOrSilk

    Creature from the Pit was the first Doctor Who story I saw as a young kid and the story which made me an instant fan. It's not because it is the best story -- it was just so fun watching it, doing a MST3K kind of dialogue over it with my dad. It was so much fun, I watched more, and got into Doctor Who real quick. But because of it, I love Creature. It introduced me to Doctor Who (I had seen a few seconds here and there, late at night, flipping through channels, but nothing which made me stop to watch). It really is a fun episode. It is my second favorite of the filmed episodes that season (City being my favorite). Horns of Nimon is my third favorite... for its own reasons..

  • May 25, 2012, 7:15 p.m. CST

    sydbarretsmydad -- it's hard to say what is best

    by HornOrSilk

    Different people with different interests. I think Season 4 has some great stuff to it (it's my favorite of the David seasons) but many others complain about Donna.

  • May 25, 2012, 8:25 p.m. CST

    Eternity Clock is a SIDE-Scroller??

    by gotilk

    I didn't even get the slightest impression of that from the other previews. Odd. Were they hiding this fact from us for any reason? Looks like fun anyway. It will be one of the few things I can still do with my PS3 since it will not read discs anymore. Looking forward to it!

  • May 25, 2012, 8:31 p.m. CST

    Thanks for the meaty, chunky DocBack this week, Merrick!

    by gotilk


  • May 25, 2012, 8:32 p.m. CST


    by gotilk

    Where the heck is it? My podcast universe is about to explode and be re-created in the mind of some redhead.

  • Up next is Nightmare of Eden, I am looking forward to Horns of Nimon as well. Apparently they are doing some sort of Shada restoration project but no release date for it yet. It's nice to be able to see a story in order, since I watched all my Peter Davison stories as I bought them so completely out of order.

  • May 25, 2012, 8:49 p.m. CST

    I'd say my favorite classic era stories are as follows...

    by Rebel Scumb

    In no particular order DALEKS (story2) Both 'Curse' and 'Monster' of Peladon The Green Death Horror of Fang Rock The Seeds of Death Frontios Mawdryn Undead Enlightenment Kinda Snakedance Remembrance of the Daleks The Android Invasion The Pirate Planet I know City of Death and Caves of Androzani make most people's lists, and I do really like them, but just not to the extent that most people do. Having said that, I've liked pretty much every Who serial with the exception of: The King's Demons & Arc of Infinity At least of the ones I've seen so far anyways.

  • May 25, 2012, 10:34 p.m. CST

    rebel scumb

    by gotilk

    What is *Kinda*? What era is it from, I've never even heard mention of it.

  • May 25, 2012, 11:06 p.m. CST

    No, really (re:Whotininnies)

    by gotilk

    What happened? Did you guys decide to call it quits? I hope not. Have you seen the latest iTunes reviews?

  • ~Dear Mr Moff, I have written an entry for your script to screen competition, and you should put it on, because it is a whole lot better than the ones any other 10-year-olds could have written even if they did have the advantage of residing within the memories of a very, very old man, as I do and they don't, ha ha. Somewhere I think I heard a sigh. I don't know who could be sighing around here. Never mind then. THE HAT OF BOLLOCKS ACT 1 SCENE ONE THE TARDIS CONTROL ROOM. AMY POND LIES DEAD ON THE FLOOR, A DAGGER PROTRUDING FROM HER BOSOM. THE DOCTOR ENTERS FROM STAGE LEFT. OR WHEREVER, I JUST NEVER WROTE ~STAGE LEFT~ BEFORE AND WANTED TO TRY IT OUT. DOCTOR: Pond! Front and center Pond! Olley Olley Oxen Free Pond! Come on Amelia just because we're inside the time vortex doesn't mean we've got all [SPOTS BODY] ... day ... THE DOCTOR RUSHES TO AMY'S SIDE AND PULLS OUT THE DAGGER. BLOOD SPATTERS HIS FACE. HE STARES AT THE DAGGER. DOCTOR: No. It's not possible. No one could possibly have got in here to do this - RORY ENTERS FROM STAGE LEFT. HA! FROM NOW ON I AM GOING TO MAKE EVERYONE ENTER FROM STAGE LEFT. STAGE LEFT IS COOL! RORY: No one who wasn't already here, you mean. No one but me and ... what did you say your name was? DOCTOR: I didn't. Um, Smith ... something. Theta Sigma Smith something. Thete. Look, Rory, I'm afraid I have some very bad news. Nothing I can't fix, mind you, it's just that - RORY: Amy's dead. You murdered her you bastard. And for that you must pay!!! RORY PULLS OUT A BASEBALL BAT AND SPLATTERS THE DOCTOR'S BRAINS ALL OVER THE WHIRLY THING WITH STICKY OUTY BITS. THE DOCTOR ENTERS, STAGE LEFT. TEE HEE! DOCTOR: Sorry, Rory, but it's not that easy, you know. Kill a Time Lord right here in his own Tardis? I don't think so, son. RORY: What? But ... how? I mean ... look, there you are, dead as a post. DOCTOR: Not me. Just a Ganger - SONICS IT INTO GOO DOCTOR: See? RORY: Right! Well, we'll see about that then! HE SWINGS. THE DOCTOR DUCKS. DOCTOR: Wait! Think, Rory, think. I love Amy, you know that. I mean ... as a mother in law ... okay, so I did have a bit of a motive but, and here's the important part, I. Did. Not. Do. It. I mean, come on, you know me, I never get my hands dirty. RORY (SOBBING WITH SNOT BUBBLING OUT HIS NOSE LIKE A LITTLE GIRL): Well it wasn't me! DOCTOR: Actually, it was. RORY: What!!!???!!! DOCTOR: Only technically. Because, look, here's a movie I took with my extremely special camera-phone that un-edits them back in again. SHOWS RORY THE MOVIE. RORY LOOKS STUNNED. THERE IS A ~WHOOSH~ SOUND. RORY: Okay, I'm waiting. DOCTOR: Waiting for what? RORY: To see the movie. DOCTOR: Again? RORY: No, you said you were going to show me a movie. DOCTOR: And I did. RORY: No you didn't. DOCTOR: Yes, I did. Ah, that's the problem. There's a Silent on board this TARDIS you see and I made a movie of it telling you to kill Amy. Unfortunately I can't show it to you without you forgetting it. RORY: You don't expect me to fall for that. DOCTOR: Actually ... it's behind you right now. RORY: You just want me to turn around so you can stab me in the back. DOCTOR: Rory, it is absolutely imperative that you turn around right now and see what's behind you. Trust me. I'm the Doctor. RORY: Oh, all right then. RORY TURNS AROUND. THERE'S NOTHING THERE. THE DOCTOR PLUNGES THE DAGGER INTO HIS BACK. HE FALLS DOWN DEAD. DOCTOR: All right, all right, I see you made me do it twice now. But it won't save you, you know. You can't make me kill myself - I'd just regenerate. And with your big stupid fingers you can't handle a knife. And if you were able to lightning me into bits you'd already have done it. And also I don't think you'd be very good at garrotting or other nasty things. And, with my friends dead, I'm probably going to kill you before you kill me on account of I'm a Time Lo- THERE"S A BURST OF NEON LIGHT AND THE SILENT FALLS DOWN DEAD. A DALEK HOVERS OUT OF STAGE LEFT. TRY KEEPING A STRAIGHT FACE WHEN THAT HAPPENS BECAUSE IT'S SO FUNNY YOU CAN"T. THE DOCTOR WHIRLS ON IT. DOCTOR: My oldest and deadliest foe! DALEK: That's. A. Fine. How. Do. You. Do. That. Is. DOCTOR: What? DALEK: It's. Me. Doctor. It's. Me. Ameilaaaar. Pooooond! Ohh. Now. I. See. Why. They. Talk. Like. This. No. Lungs. You. Have. To. Type. Everything. With. Your. Tentacles. Did. You. Ever. Try. Touch. Typing. With. Tentacles? Because. It's. Not. Easy. DOCTOR: What? What? DALEK: Look. Doctor. It. Would. Be. Much. Easier. To. Explain. If. You. Could. Just. Patch. The. Tardis. Into. My. Data. Port. DOCTOR: What? THE DALEK SHOOTS RORY'S BODY. IT JERKS. DALEK: Stop. Saaaayiiiing. Thaaaaat! DOCTOR: All right, all right, keep your bumps on Amy, just a moment ... DOCTOR PULLS A LARGE CABLE OUT OF THE CENTER CONSOLE AND HOOKS IT UP TO THE DALEK'S PLUNGER. A HOLOGRAPHIC AMY IS PROJECTED FROM ITS EYESTALK. I JUST SAW STAR WARS AGAIN AND I THINK THAT"S OKAY SO LONG AS SHE DOESN'T SAY HELP ME OBI JUAN OR SOMETHING. AMY: That's better. A bit. Now put your thinking hat on boy because you've got to get me out of here and resurrect Rory. Re-resurrect him. How does that work again? DOCTOR: Wait, I don't understand, exactly when and how did you turn into a Dalek? AMY: I didn't. The Tesselecta turned into a Dalek. DOCTOR: Wha- er ... Why? AMY: So they could track down and punish Davros, of course. Didn't you get enough sleep last night or something? [To Be Continued]

  • May 25, 2012, 11:50 p.m. CST


    by Merrick

    We've both been insanely busy...myself far moreso than Ken at the moment...who in the past has been far busier than me! I've been grappling with a number of life changing issues. Some of them creative, some of them personal, some of them AICN related. Some of them stressful, some of them wonderful, all of them time consuming. In short, a nexus of exhausting but productive chaotic elements. I have the highest confidence Whotininnies will return...just need to get some ducks in a row time wise. How busy? I've probably talked to Ken two or three times in the past two months...ONLY because of the swirl of things to do, being pulled in various directions simultaneously, etc. But it will not and can not always be this way. Whotininnies will be back. And it will be grand. (ish).

  • May 25, 2012, 11:54 p.m. CST

    I want the Movellans to return...

    by lynxpro

    Call me crazy but I'd like to see those Rick James worshipping Androids battling the spawn of Davros once more.

  • May 26, 2012, 5:58 a.m. CST

    lynxpro -- they come back only after learning...

    by HornOrSilk

    rock scissors paper lizard spock

  • May 26, 2012, 6:55 a.m. CST

    Davros is good television.

    by Captain Howdy

    His presence among Daleks always makes them seem a far more intimidating prospect.


  • May 26, 2012, 7:56 a.m. CST

    Overheard: The Movellan Battle-cry...

    by obijuanmartinez

    "I'M RICK JAMES, B**CH!!!"

  • Tom Baker pretty much pegged the old-school Daleks in "Destiny of the Daleks" with the immortal line: "If you're supposed to be the superior race of the universe, why don't you try climbing after us? Bye, bye!" They really weren't all that menacing - You could gang up and roll them down a dead-end hall (!), throw a blanket on and blind them, OR, climb up a ventilation shaft!

  • May 26, 2012, 8:14 a.m. CST


    by Rebel Scumb

    It's a Davison era one, fairly early in his run I believe. Deals with a snake cult on a jungle planet and some weird possession stuff I originally found out about it, because the dvd website I go to had the headline, 'BBC releases new Dr. Who dvd, kinda' Which I took to mean 'new doctor who dvd, kind of...' Like 'they're kind of releasing a new one, but actually...' But the actual name of the storyline is 'Kinda' (pronounced Kinn-dah) which is the name of the tribe Snakedance is the sequel to it.

  • May 26, 2012, 8:16 a.m. CST

    I don't think the Daleks have lost their impact...

    by Rebel Scumb

    But then I'm relatively new to Who. If anything I think the RTD stuff really elevated their scariness by making them so ruthlessly kill crazy. But I think their charm is more to do with the fact that they are so silly.

  • May 26, 2012, 8:18 a.m. CST

    But I do agree it should always be an event when they show up

    by Rebel Scumb

    And not just a formality of each season. Series 5 and 6 could definitely have done without them, which would mean by now we'd all really be craving a new dalek arc.

  • ...was interesting to learn they turned to biological warfare against the Daleks (after centuries of logical war computers locked in an impasse - anyone know if there's any Expanded Universe or audio stuff that takes place during the actual Movellan / Dalek War?)

  • May 26, 2012, 9:37 a.m. CST

    Resurrection of the Daleks

    by photoboy

    Resurrection is definitely one of my favourites, and it sits in the middle of my favourite season of Doctor Who- namely season 21. I think much of my nostalgia for that season comes from it coinciding with our first VHS recorder, marking the first time I was able to record more than just the audio on my Fisher Price cassette recorder (I was just 5 at the time!) One thing I've got to ask fellow Whovians, at the end when Tegan steps into the doorway and says "Doctor, I will miss you" and then cries, did you think she had changed her mind and was running back only to find the TARDIS dematerialising or was that just some other doorway she was standing in and she was just sad to be leaving? When I was younger I thought she had changed her mind and was coming back, which I think actually made it more sad than if she was just leaving! Also, anyone know what's up with the way Netflix UK are adding Classic Who episodes? Initially I was quite excited to see it went all the way up to season 18, but then I discovered they're treating each serial as one season, e.g. The Daleks is listed as season 2! This means they've only got up to the end of the Troughton era. I'm hoping they're not only going to fix the naming but also add everything up to the end of McCoy's era...

  • May 26, 2012, 9:40 a.m. CST

    gotilk - haven't seen Kinda?!

    by Mister Vertue

    It's definitely one of my favourites. It also has a sequel in the form of Snakedance. You really should get hold of them soon.

  • May 26, 2012, 10:03 a.m. CST

    Kinda is one of my favorites, too

    by HornOrSilk

    And it's not just because it is a Buddhist-Christian tale (the kind which is so rare to do, and to do well), but also, I've love the exploration of madness in it, a theme rarely dealt with as well as this on TV.

  • May 26, 2012, 10:32 a.m. CST

    photoboy, re: Tegan

    by Rebel Scumb

    I only saw resurrection for the first time a couple of years ago, but my interpretation was that she had changed her mind, or at the very least had some hesitation and didn't want to leave things with the doctor the way she did. I think there is definitely an unspoken dynamic in the Davison era stuff that Nyssa loves the doctor but the doctor loves Tegan.

  • May 26, 2012, 10:33 a.m. CST

    rebel scumb no, it was Nyssa and Adric

    by HornOrSilk

  • May 26, 2012, 10:33 a.m. CST


    by Rebel Scumb

    I would say of all the classic companions she's the one I would be the most happy to see show up in the new show I would love for them to bring back the writer of Kinda & Snakedance (who apparently quit screenwriting after snakedance) to do a 3rd part to the Tegan/Mara story arc with Matt Smith zooming to Australia to reunite with Tegan and face off against the Mara a 3rd time.

  • May 26, 2012, 10:38 a.m. CST


    by Rebel Scumb

    I think for me, as someone who had a very peripheral awareness of Dr Who all my childhood/teenage years, but didn't start watching it until my late 20s (I'm currently 33), I basically knew (or thought I knew) only a few basic things about Dr Who: 1) It was really really really weird 2) It was scary. Not horror movie scary, but messed up dream unsettling scary 3) The theme song 4) it had been on a long time, with different actors playing the doctor When I actually started watching dr who, and even more so when I got into the classic era stuff about 1-2 years later I was actually surprised to learn that the narratives of the show's stories are relatively straightforward (though imaginative) adventure stories, and not the ultrafucked up acid trip type madness I always presumed it to be from the few random bits I'd seen in the past. Part of what I loved about Kinda, is it's one of the only DR WHO stories that is actually as weird as I use to think all of DR WHO was. ENLIGHTENMENT being one of the few other examples.

  • I should have included Earthshock in my list of favorites!

  • All those moments will be lost in time, like tears in rain. Time to die.

  • ...ridiculous? 1) Silver Rick James dreads: CHECK 2) Eqyptian eye-make-up: CHECK 3) Shiny white spandex leggings: CHECK 4) Knee-high "Ziggy Stardust"-era Bowie boots: CHECK 5) A shiny silver utility belt that would make the Adam West Batman wince: CHECK 6) A chrome turtleneck: CHECK

  • May 26, 2012, 11:59 a.m. CST

    There is also Prisoner of Peladon for the audios and not just Bride

    by HornOrSilk

    And I love Peladon too. I want another one. A great way to bring back the Ice Warriors. Have them good in this. Then have a group of them be the big bad. Have factions fighting each other in the end of the series.

  • May 26, 2012, 12:34 p.m. CST

    Gotilk - Kinda

    by DoctorTom

    I agree with the others' comments about Kinda. It's one of the really good stories. I would say that it's the second best story with Adric in it (or perhaps I should say that it's the best story out there despite Adric being in it). The best story with Adric in it is of course Earthshock, for obvious reasons. As a story though (ignoring the Adric elements) Kinda is very, very good indeed. It would be in the running for best Davison story besides Caves of Androzani.

  • May 26, 2012, 12:38 p.m. CST

    horn - you're right about the rumors about Nyssa and Adric

    by DoctorTom

    they tried to put some subtext in now and then about Adric being interested in Nyssa, but it was undercut by Adric wanting the Master (as evident in Castrovalva). There could have been a lot more subtext about Nyssa and Adric I'm sure if Matthew Waterhouse didn't put off all the other actors. Peter Davison showing the Doctor liking Adric on occasion has to have been one of the finest acting performances in the classic series.

  • May 26, 2012, 12:44 p.m. CST

    Classic companions returning

    by DoctorTom

    I actually would like to see Ace return so that her leaving could be explained in the series (we would have had this in the Sarah Jane Adventures if Lis Sladen hadn't passed away). I do think, though, that the ones that might be the best to see return - especially with the 50th anniversary - would be Ian and/or Susan. I doubt there's much call for a Kamelion Mk II showing up, but it could be amusing. Although not a classic companion, I do think that Captain Jack should get a chance to show up again, with Moff getting to dig into the 2 year memory gap of Jack's.

  • May 26, 2012, 12:55 p.m. CST

    Obijuanmartinez - non-joke Movellans

    by DoctorTom

    1) Don't have their power supply/brains able to be easily removed. 2) Give them some attitude this time, or at least some of them. One with a Judge Dredd attitude, or a Brian Blessed attitude. They were wanting to try to evolve toward being human, let them have gone this way. You can have differing personalities with them. Make the most of it. 3) Don't have them in a story with the Daleks. Then, the Movellans can be more of a focus. If you need to stick another alien race in there, use the Sontarans or someone like that. 4) If you ignore 3) and use the Daleks (maybe the Nation estate says if you use the Movellans you have to include Daleks), then don't just do the Daleks-and-Movellans-locked-in-combat bit. Quite frankly, we had that with the Sontarans and Rutans before Nation nicked the idea for the Movellans.

  • May 26, 2012, 12:58 p.m. CST

    There was also a Peladon novel

    by DoctorTom

    Legacy, by Gary Russell

  • May 26, 2012, 1:03 p.m. CST

    Doctortom yes, I read Legacy

    by HornOrSilk

    But I still put the novels as something different from something acted out by cast from the show. I read it a long time ago. I remember I did like it, and I have a few things which I remember from it. But DS9 sort of ruined Legacy for me when they did something similar...

  • May 26, 2012, 1:23 p.m. CST

    Returning sidekicks: I offer up Jamie & Zoe - LOVE, LOVE, LOVE them...

    by obijuanmartinez

  • May 26, 2012, 1:34 p.m. CST

    Tegan = Naughty biscuits...

    by obijuanmartinez

    Loved her trademark "boob-tube"!

  • The previous storyline (forget which one) ends with the cliffhanger of Nyssa passing out Then when Kinda begins they land on the planet to make sure she is ok, and then it just turns out it is just a run of the mill headache with no scifi implications. So she goes to rest while the others explore the planet. then at the end she comes out and says "I feel much better now" and nothing more is ever said of it. It's very odd and just feels like the writer didn't have anything for her to do, so they just needed to sideline her for the story. Not so much a complaint as just a head scratcher.

  • Well, in a way it was. When the script was originally commissioned and developed there were supposed to be only 2 companions, not 3. The production team (I'm assuming JN-T approved this as well as Eric Saward - script editor on this) decided to just have Nyssa written out at the very beginning and written in again at the very end instead of trying to redistribute material or come up with a new thread for working her in (which would require trimming out some of the other material). They amended Sarah Sutton's contract to account for being in only 2 episodes of the story. I recall back in the day people saying her contract only had her for 24 episodes and didn't cover the entire story, but I think that was people getting cause and effect reversed. (I'm sure if the contract wasn't amended, we'd have had glimpses of Nyssa sleeping during episodes 2 and 3). Still, it might have been interesting if Sarah Sutton had been used as Nyssa in some of the dream sequences, whether as a construct of the fiction in there, or if Nyssa was sucked in the dreaming realm as well as Tegan.

  • May 26, 2012, 4:02 p.m. CST

    Hornorsilk - novels vs the audios

    by DoctorTom

    I'll agree that the novels are different from something acted out by the cast, but I don't think that makes either one any more or less legitimate than the other. Both are non-canonical (though you can say the Lost Stories are almost canonical). I wouldn't want to treat Doctor Who and the Pescatons as counting more than Gareth Roberts' novels with the 4th Doctor and Romana just because Tom Baker acted in it, or pretend that the Prime Computer ads with Tom Baker count more as Doctor Who than the novels since we see Baker acting as the Doctor...

  • May 26, 2012, 4:14 p.m. CST

    If I remember correctly with Kinda

    by HornOrSilk

    Nyssa is given something to take which she does to help recovery. So there is some mention.

  • May 26, 2012, 4:15 p.m. CST

    doctortom if I remember, the Moff said all are canonical

    by HornOrSilk

    But time gets lots of hefty rewrites

  • May 26, 2012, 4:16 p.m. CST

    However, with that, the problem for the novels for me

    by HornOrSilk

    The stars don't have a chance to deal with their characterization, to fix problems which often happens in the novels. Plus, just something about them always felt off -- not saying all of them and indeed, some I would say are in my canon (to some degree or another). But to me, the audios have the extra umph needed to make it to my canon.

  • May 26, 2012, 6:07 p.m. CST

    Having the actors does help, I'll agree

    by DoctorTom

    An actor's performance can help divert from script problems, which definitely doesn't happen with novels. It does raise a question, though, what about the audios of novels that are put out and read by one of the main people, and at the heart of it, are the ones read by a Doctor or a companion really that different at the heart of it from, say, The Companion Chronicles? As another side note, how would some of the comics rate in this? We've had a 7th Doctor comic written by Andrew Cartmel, who would certainly know how the 7th Doctor stories should go. For that matter, there was a 6th Doctor story actually written by Colin Baker (IDW has yet to reprint that). How would Colin's story rank compared to the audios or the novels? As for all being canonical but Time causing hefty rewrites, I guess we can all assume that the cracks managed to eat Death comes to Time and Scream of the Shalka. (I could rationalize the Doctor in Scream of the Shalka as being within the first 15 hours of regenerating from Paul McGann, and he decided after the story but still within the time frame to change his form the way Romana did in Destiny of the Daleks, albeit with less control. There's a problem trying to reconcile the Master between the two, though. Maybe if we pretend that the Master in Scream of the Shalka was a Kamelion unit that thought it was the Master, and broke down before Rose, we'll be okay. Or, the cracks just happened to eat that story too.)

  • May 26, 2012, 7:16 p.m. CST

    Companion Chronicles are between audios and novels for me

    by HornOrSilk

    Some, of course, are just audios a smaller cast (Solitaire, for example), but others are stories, told at least by a companion as if the companion was retelling it; because some can at least input an element of the companion's way of recollecting the Doctor, it is more than a novel, but some get real close (and I would say some novels are far more canon than some of the Companion Chronicles). It's also for this reason I don't get all the CC (I would say I get about 1/5th of them?) And time being rewritten certainly is being done in the audios (Johann Schmidt is an example, plus what is coming up soon), so yes, I think Shalka and the like apply here. Comics again are like novels. Some I think count. Also with the novels/short stories/comics etc, I often think even those which don't exactly fit are often of real adventures but sort of a "phone tag" version of them. This helps explain Company of Friends.

  • May 26, 2012, 8:03 p.m. CST

    MOV and everyone....

    by gotilk

    I will for sure check out/seek out *Kinda* now. Sounds good.

  • May 26, 2012, 8:04 p.m. CST

    Merrick... thanks!

    by gotilk

    I know how it can be. Looking forward to it coming back... for good.

  • May 26, 2012, 8:05 p.m. CST

    Well look at that...

    by gotilk

    Top talkback? A DocBack? That hasn't happened in a long time. Good to see. Great to see everyone.

  • May 26, 2012, 9:23 p.m. CST

    Hoo hah!

    by DoctorTom

    I wonder if the minisode counts as a new episode for purposes of this Docback - if it didn't it's probably one of the few times we've had the retroDocBacks get into the top.

  • May 26, 2012, 11:46 p.m. CST

    late to the party on this year's Sherlock

    by Greg

    Waited on the US blu ray release and watched it today. Loved the first story/movie, wasn't so sure about the second but thought it wrapped up well, and loved the last, with the exception of being a bit aggravated at not being able to figure out the ending.

  • May 27, 2012, 3:23 a.m. CST

    gotilk it is interesting we get more after the short

    by HornOrSilk

    However, I think many people have been quiet for different reasons. Just a resurrection of the DocBacks -- and it will happen again and again.

  • May 27, 2012, 11:57 a.m. CST

    They do also mention The Mara from Kinda & Snakedance in "Timecrash"...

    by obijuanmartinez

  • ...if that's not the case, what besides the typical extras they've always put on would make them so special? I probably haven't bought a new Who DVD in +5 years, but I did buy the DVD of "Ark in Space" which featured some re-tweaked space shots (can't recall whether they branded it as a SPECIAL EDITION, though...) Are there any other serials from the classic era that have been released as Special Eds that have been retooled to the extent that "Day of the Daleks" was?

  • May 27, 2012, 1 p.m. CST

    obijuanmartinez no, they don't all do that

    by HornOrSilk

    Some of them are re-releases of old DVDS where the presentation is done better (better standards, Vid-fired for those which had not been in the original edition). They also include other shorts. For me, I generally get what is released when it comes out. Now, if they did a Silver Nemesis special edition where it was the same as the video version, I would get it.

  • May 27, 2012, 3:55 p.m. CST

    hornorsilk, yes true.

    by gotilk

    It will ... wax and wane (is that the term?) over the months and.... years? I certainly hope we get years.

  • May 27, 2012, 3:59 p.m. CST

    I have *Kinda* now.

    by gotilk

    I'll post after I've watched it through. Looks good so far. I have not seen a lot of Davison Who, some of them that I have seen, I have not seen since the 80s.

  • May 27, 2012, 5:09 p.m. CST

    Hello Docbacks

    by Ithrat Cordwallis

    Long time no see; trust you're well! Ah, daleks - I seem to recall watching this on first transmission and being v scared - having watched it since, I just find myself expecting James Bolan to turn up... I have a question for y'all - whilst the 5th was 'my' Doctor, in terms of exposure, I've watched very little of him since, and I've just been commissioned, for want of a better word, to write a Novella about him. What am I to do? Should I re-watch, or merely attempt to create something on the basis of my memories? Reason I ask is because I watched Earthshock again recently and, cor blimey, I realised it suffered the same problems with regards to pacing and production I thought it did when I was 5... Anyway, daleks. Don't talk to me about daleks...

  • May 27, 2012, 5:22 p.m. CST

    ithrat_cordwallis suggestion watch three of his stories

    by HornOrSilk

    Black Orchid (short story) Resurrection of the Daleks Caves of Androzani

  • May 27, 2012, 7:17 p.m. CST

    Speaking of Kinda, that also goes to the issue of CGI

    by HornOrSilk

    Yes, there are other DVDs with CGI options, and Kinda is one of them.

  • May 28, 2012, 4:22 a.m. CST

    I thought about Five Doctors but for two reasons didn't add it

    by HornOrSilk

    One, not the best story. Second, I don't think it shows the 5th Doctor as much as one might wish to get to know him. Black Orchid shows him having fun (for a time) and his love for cricket. Resurrection of the Daleks/Caves show the Fifth Doctor at extremes, which highlight important things of him and his character.

  • May 28, 2012, 7:52 a.m. CST

    Welcome back Ithrat!

    by veteran_of_mu

    Congrats on you commission! FWIW what I'd do is first get at my inner doctor - you know we all have one - and if you don't I'll dig out my Mojo Nixon-based filk song ~The Doctor Is Everywhere~ for you - and get your story straight with him. Figure out its bones. And only then go back and re-watch. That way you'll bring your original childhood vision of the 5th to the piece and the tension to reconcile it with your adult experience of the 5th will generate a creative process. Imho ...

  • May 29, 2012, 10:14 a.m. CST


    by gotilk

    The key word being options. I like that. That's the way they should have done Trek. Get it all up to HD quality, then give us both versions. The original, and the updated versions. Who does it right. Again.

  • May 29, 2012, 10:16 a.m. CST


    by gotilk

    PLEASE let us know where we can read your novella when its done. I think so many of us will be like proud parents reading it. Or I guess siblings might be a better word for it, but you know what I mean.

  • May 29, 2012, 10:17 a.m. CST


    by gotilk

    I'm hankering for a HAT or 3. Where is our HAT friend?

  • May 29, 2012, 10:25 a.m. CST

    @ithrat - welcome back, and suggestions

    by DoctorTom

    For Davison stories, I'd suggest watching Kinda Caves of Androzani either Mawdryn Undead or Enlightenment Black Orchid's not a bad one given that it's short. I suggested Kinda instead of Resurrection of the Daleks just to avoid Daleks. Mawdryn Undead introduces Turlough and the Black Guardian Trilogy. It also has Nick Courtney and causes all sorts of problems with UNIT chronology. If you thought you might want to do the whole trilogy again, go with the first one. Then again, if you were okay with Kinda, then you can do the sequel Snakedance.

  • May 30, 2012, 10:11 a.m. CST

    Dirk Gently cancelled

    by DoctorTom It's not getting a new season, unfortunately. I actually liked the stories they put out earlier this year. It appears that it's due more to budget shenanigans at BBC4 than to viewing figures.

  • May 31, 2012, 8:52 a.m. CST

    chirp chirp

    by DoctorTom

    the sound of crickets I suppose people will turn up tomorrow for the new DocBack.

  • May 31, 2012, 9:21 a.m. CST

    US viewers - Doctor Who/Top Gear bit

    by DoctorTom

    in June, BBC America is going to be showing Season 2 of Top Gear - one of the very old ones. One of the episodes features Colin Baker and Darth Vader going head to head. I think I've seen this segment, if it's the one I think it was trying to show the universe's worst villains. They had Klingons and Cybermen going around the Top Gear track, then showed Daleks trying to figure how to get in the car in order to compete. I'm sure the video's out in the youtubes somewhere, but if you want to see it in context of the rest of the show it should be this month or early next.

  • May 31, 2012, 9:35 a.m. CST

    The Hat Of Bollocks Act 2

    by veteran_of_mu

    The ten-year-old in me continues his submission to the first and probably only Script-to-Docback competition. For Part 1, scroll up this page ... ACT 2 SCENE 1: STATION ALPHA. DAVROS CONTROLLING A WALDO IN A SEALED OPERATING CAPSULE. BEAMS OF LIGHT SCINTILLATE WEIRDLY INSIDE. DALEK THAY STANDS IMMOBILE BESIDE HIM. THAY: The. Cult. Requires. A. Progress. Report. Repooooort! DAVROS: Or? THAY: Or. What? DAVROS: [QUIETLY RISING INTO A RANT] The cult of Skaro does not require a report. The cult requires silence. I suggest you practice that if You. Wish. To. Achieve. PERFECTIOOOONNNNN!!!! THAY: [LOUD AS ANY DALEK] You. Don't. Need. To. Shout. I'm. Not. Deaf. You. Know. DAVROS: [QUIETLY AGAIN] That's why I eliminated Dalek emotions in the first place. Irony. If there's one thing I can't stand it's - THE DOCTOR APPEARING OUT OF NOWHERE: Tea? Anyone? You there wearing the Christmas ornaments - would you like some tea? THAY: Alert! Alert! The. Time. Lord. Has. Infiltrated. Station. Alpha! Exterminate! Exterminate! DAVROS: Calm yourself, Thay, calm yourself. It is too late for him. Far too late. Observe, Doctor, the. Final. Strategem. In. The. Time. WAR. THE. PERFECT. SERVITOR. OF. THE. DALEK. RACE!!! DOCTOR: You don't need to shout. I'm not deaf you know. THAY: Hey. That's. My. Line! THE DOCTOR WHIPS OUT HIS SONIC AND GIVES THAY A DOSE. THAY'S HEAD WHIRLS AROUND TWICE AND SPARKS FLY OUT ITS EYESTALK. DOCTOR: That will be quite enough out of you, young lady. DAVROS: Young ... lady? DOCTOR: Long story, suffice to say nothing is as it seems. Now let's get down to business. What do you have on the slab this time, Dav-baby? No, wait, don't tell me, let me guess. Could it be ... a Dalek progenitor device? DAVROS: Nothing so mundane, Destroyer Of Worlds. It's - DOCTOR: Oh, I know, another Special Weapons Dalek! Big kaboom thing on the front. I really loved its weapon, so ... Special - DAVROS: Your pathetic attempt at humour won't - DOCTOR: Wait, I've got it. The New Dalek Paradigm, right? Big upright vacuum cleaners in designer colours - but do they do windows, that's what I want to know ... DAVROS: You persist in underestimating me, Doctor. Your entire race was destroyed by my Daleks, do you recall? And while it is true that the Dalek Empire has suffered some minor ... setbacks at your hands ... This. Time. WE. WILL. PREVAIL! DOCTOR: Settle, settle petal. Now let me just have a peek in there .... THE DOCTOR PRESSES HIS NOSE AGAINST THE GLASS OF DAVROS'S SCIENCE CAPSULE. HIS EXPRESSION CHANGES FROM AMUSEMENT TO CURIOSITY TO ABJECT HORROR. HE TURNS TO FACE DAVROS. THERE IS A WHOOSHING SOUND. DOCTOR: Wait ... what? What was that? DAVROS BEGINS TO LAUGH. VERY SLOWLY AT FIRST, THEN A TERRIBLE CACKLE LIKE A CAT WITH FURBALLS. DOCTOR: Davros! What was in there? Why - DAVROS: [NO LONGER LAUGHING] Don't you know? Why doesn't the Doctor in the Tardis know? Well, let me tell you all about what I have in there. Or rather, what was in there before I transmitted it and its brethren down the time corridor. A progenitor device as you say, but not for the new paradigm, Doctor. For the servants of the new paradigm. And for an end to your endless inane banter, Doctor. Silence, Doctor! Silence. Will. Fall! [CONTINUED]

  • May 31, 2012, 9:33 p.m. CST

    davison sampler

    by mr. smith

    i encourage and approve of any and all davison love. here are my five recommendations for the uninitiated. Earthshock Snakedance Enlightenment Planet of Fire The Caves of Androzani