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The Friday Docback Summons 'The Daemons'!! DOCTOR WHO Story #59, Season/Series 7 Tidbits, And More!!



- submitted by MOV


Merrick here...

...with a look at “The Daemons,” a five-part Pertwee era episode initially transmitted May-June 1971. The script is credited to Guy Leopold - Leopold is actually Producer Barry Letts and co-writer Robert Sloman
Many original tapes of this story were wiped by BBC back in the 70s, but an extremely solid restoration of the episode...
...was subsequently accomplished through fascinating means referenced below.  
But first...
THIS piece at SFX reveals that BBC Three has evidently decided against another Series/Season  of THE FADES, per an interview with the amazing Johnny Harris.,..who played beleaguered yet madly driven Neil in the first Season/Series of that show.  
THE FADES was easily one of televisions boldest works of recent years, driven by an uncompromising truth and unpredictability which many found unnerving.  It's currently available on Blu-ray HERE in the U.S. and HERE in the U.K.  It's also streamable in HD via iTunes (U.S.), and via Amazon HERE in the U.S. 
THE FADES was produced by Carloine Skinner, who is joining the forthcoming Season/Series 7 of DOCTOR WHO.
The great Waris Hussein, director of the first ever DOCTOR WHO story ("An Unearthly Child") and an integral part of the show's formative/development process back in the day, will be speaking at an event called DOCTOR WHO: HOW IT ALL BEGAN in New York City on April 10th.  
If I'd heard about this sooner (I only recently found out - not sure I can pull together resources in time), I would've moved Heaven and Earth to attend this event.  It's an opportunity which is unique, infrequent, significant, and one many U.S. WHOvians may, at the risk of being crass, never have again. 
You can find more details HERE.
The newest Issue of DOCTOR WHO MAGAZINE evidently offers the "audition script" used to read actresses for the new companion roll which will be unveiled during this year's Christmas Special. This role, we recently learned, went to the lovely Jenna Louise-Coleman.  You can find said audition script HERE.
Many people are drawing inferences from this mini-script…the character's name, for example…or that the scene presented might somehow represent an actual sequence we'll eventually see on the show.  
This could be correct, but is not necessarily correct.  An audition script is just that…a script fragment generated for an audition.  They are often specifically designed to challenge prospective actors to make sure they're up to the task being put before them, and frequently have nothing whatsoever to do with what eventually ends up on-screen.  
SOMETIMES the material is used or cannibalized.  Sometimes it is not.  Sometimes, the material is apparent somewhere down the road…but takes on a different form. For example:  the episode we discuss below…"The Daemons"…grew out of a script fragment written by Producer Barry Letts to audition for the Doctor's new companion (in "The Daemons" DVD extras, Katy Manning recounts elements of that story's script feeling familiar to her when she read it, only to remember that some movements were clearly inspired by the material she was given to read when auditioning for her part - Jo Grant).  Sometimes, an audition script is comprised of previously used elements and dialogue from a show - another way of ensuring whomever's reading it "fits in" to the vibe The Powers That Be are trying to uphold.  
So, who knows whether we'll eventually see a paranormal-flavored sequence featuring a companion named Jasmine.  It's certainly possible, but don't take it to the bank.  
How crazy can the audition process be?

"The Daemons" 
“...suppose something was to happen and nobody knew the explanation?  Well, nobody in the world.  In the Universe.  That would be magic, wouldn’t it?” - Jo Grant , “The Daemons” Episode 1 
"The Daemons" opens in a town called Devils’ End with a parade of horror/nightmare tropes, including a dark and stormy night, a miserable looking cat, backlit tombstones, an awkwardly creeping shadow which blurs across the ground with uneasy stealth, and a hapless townsman who braves the elements with his adorably floppy dog.  
The man quickly encounters...something...and dies of an heart attack, so says the local Doctor (Eric Hillyard).  But local supernaturalist Olive Hawthorne (Damaris Hayman) warns that if nearby, long-sealed barrows are opened up via a current archeological dig, “disaster” will befall the people of Devils End.  “This is just the beginning!” she insists, fearing that dark and terrible forces may soon be unleashed.
Naturally, said an incredulous archeological team proceeds with plans to penetrate the subterranean chamber, despite Miss Hawthorne’s warning.  This is to occur during a BBC Three press op at midnight April 30 - Bletane - “the greatest occult festival of the year, bar Halloween.”  And, not-so-coincidentally, the night before the release of a new book by Professor Horner (Robin Wentworth), leader of the dig.  
Sensing that Miss Hawthorne’s concern may be well founded, the Doctor (Jon Pertwee) and Jo (Katy Manning) race to stop Horner and his team from unsealing the barrows, arriving just in time to witness the release of ancient and terrifying forces...
...whose arrival, unbeknownst to the Doctor, is greeted enthusiastically by his long-time adversary, the Master (Roger Delgado)!  
“The Daemons” (pronounced several ways during the course of the story) is something of a paradox: it’s primarily memorable for what DOESN’T happen. While this sounds like slight, it isn’t intended to be so.  Rather, view it as a validation of the tale’s nicely executed slow-brew, generally uneasy atmosphere - “The Daemons” is often most effective when it’s making the least in-you-face efforts.  There’s a solid, classic, “suspenseful” simmer at work here, providing an unsettling undercurrent for a grander back story. 
Said  back story posits that many invaluable moments in human development and history were influenced by a Satyr-like species called the Daemons, a gag perhaps influenced in some small part by the Devilish ‘Overlords’ of Arthur C. Clarke’s CHILDHOOD’S END (1953).  Cribbed or not, the Daemon’s involvement with mankind’s history is both a compelling and stirring notion - albeit one which is never explored quite as fully as it might’ve been herein.
(l) The Doctor (Jon Pertwee) and Brigadier Lethbridge-Stewart (Nicholas Courtney).  So close, yet separated by a wickedly dangerous incineration barrier deployed around, and over, the town of Devil's End.    
Delgado seems to be having a fun time as the Master here, this time posing as a local Vicar in Devil’s End...where he’s marshaling and manipulating hapless townsfolk into doing his dirty work.  Delgado’s Master often seems surprised by (and uncertain of) the fearsome intensity of his encounters with the Daemons...a nice touch demonstrating how precarious his scheme really is, and that even someone as intelligent and cunning as the Master can still be unnerved by ancient and elemental powers and uncertainties.  The Master’s scheme in this instance often feels like more of a desperate and reckless power grab than a well-considered (excuse the pun) master-plan whose consequences have been carefully weighed. 
The notion of one of DOCTOR WHO’s ‘big bads’  having to plead his case to an evidently superior force is slyly humorous, as is seeing traditionally uniformed UNIT personnel operating in the real world, in plain clothes (this may be a frequently used conceit in DOCTOR WHO, but this is the first time I’ve encountered it in my not-always-chronological journey).  Sergeant Benton’s openly stated antipathy towards Morris Dancers (they ARE rather weird) affords the character a smart and welcomed touch of accessibility and  “everyman” credibility - a lovely and ironic set-up for a subsequent transformation by those same dancers into marauding servants of evil (not much of a stretch to imagine such a thing).  
David Simeon as Alistair Fergus   - a BBC Three reporter.  
"The Daemons" portends the arrival of that network by over three decades.  
“The Daemons” is never terribly bold in concept - save for its introduction of the title species and their frustratingly underutilized back story - nor does the adventure conclude with any sense of particular mythological resonance. In fact, “The Daemons” is one of those occasional DOCTOR WHO episodes which could, with small tweaks here and there, stand more or less on its own - outside of the WHOverse (John Carpenter’s PRINCE OF DARKNESS comes to mind).  But what the story lacks in overall gravity is more than compensated for by its irresistible tone and sheer force of its personality.  Scripters Letts and Sloman have woven so much human charm into he fabric here (the slightly ditsy but somehow completely on-top-of-it Olive Hawthorne, Yates and Benton becoming distracted by television sports while on duty), that embracing the heart of this piece isn’t difficult at all.  A few effects here are as dodgy as one might expect from an early 70s WHO story (the tights covering a Daemon's leg are clearly sloppily bagging around the ankles in one sequence) - but "Daemons" also features a few truly dazzling moves (a hole blasted through a relatively invisible energy shield, and various heat/lighting distortions for example).  These moments were so well realized that I was compelled to ask The Powers That Be whether these sequences featured some form of digital enhancement or trickery.  Evidently, they did not...which means...they're that good by today's standards, and were to begin with.  They're subtle and simple, as many of the best effects should be.  But they're also rather amazing.  
Alien Satyrs, a ‘crazy’ but probably right witch lady, a perennially beleaguered Brigadier Lethbridge-Stewart, Roger Delgado swaying between intense leader of men to a sniveling suitor of greater power, and ample Bessie collide to make “The Daemons” strangely memorable and effective, in a disarmingly and surprisingly unassuming way.  
“The Daemons” is available HERE in the U.S. and HERE in the U.K.  
Extras include...
“The Devil Rides Out: Making The Daemons” (28:39) 
Insight from...
-- Terrance Dicks (Script Editor) 
-- Katy Maning (companion Jo Grant)
-- Richard Franklin (Captain Mike Yates) 
-- Christopher Barry (Director)
-- Damaris Hayman (Olive Hawthorne) 
-- Sue Hedden (Assistant Floor Manager) 
** Discusses how "Daemons"  story grew out of a small scene scripted by Producer Barry Letts to audition the Doctor’s new companion (Manning got the job).  
** Barry Letts (2008 interview) -  discusses how network politics at the time could have scuttled his efforts to write for DOCTOR WHO, so he and co-author Robert Sloman scripted “The Daemons” under the name Guy Leopold (‘Leopold’ being Letts’ middle name and ‘Guy’ being the name of Sloman’s son) 
** The dog in the opening of the episode kept chasing the object used to create the black shadowy shape crawling the ground in the story’s opening moments...the dog had to be taken somewhere else so the crew could ge tthe shot.  
** "Never give Jon Pertwee a motorbike when he’s having a hissy fit...” - Katy Manning
“Remembering Barry Letts” (33:36)

Memories and perspective from...
-- Crispin Letts (son)
-- Dominic Letts (son) 
-- Barry Letts (2008 interview) 
-- Terrance Dicks
-- Derrick Sherwin (DW Producer 69-70) 
-- Ronald Marsh (BBC Head of Serials 1970-74)
** A fascinating insight into the life and career of actor/producer/writer/director Barry Letts, who narrowly missed probable movie stardom when he was called to service during World War II.  He ultimately found his way to television performance, and segued into writing, producing, and directing from there.  
** Letts discusses his initial reticence to take on a producing role on DW.  
** Discuses Letts’ fascination with (and “pioneering” efforts in ) CSO - Color Separation Overlay - a progenitor of contemporary video Chroma Key and “blue screen” techniques.
** Briefly touches on the casting of Tom Baker 
“Location Film” (6:42) 
A reel of behind-the-scenes footage of the story’s location shoot at Aldbourne (standing in for Devil’s End)
“Colourisation Test” (25:01) and “Tomorrow’s World” (5:13) 
Most  of “The Daemons” tapes were wiped by the BBC as part of their standard housekeeping process. However black & white film reels...used to sell the show to regions where tape was not yet being used...were still in existence.  Those B&W reels are the basis for this “restored” version of the story, which represents a hybridization of the B&W reels and a color home video recording from the United States (a technical process overlayed the color from the U.S. tape on top of the sharper video quality of the B&W image, then some subsequent tweaks were made to further enhance the image).  
PDF Materials 
Radio Times Listings 
Coming Soon (1:55) 
A trailer for the forthcoming DVD of “Nightmare of Eden” (T. Baker, Story # 107).
"The Carnival of Monsters" (Pertwee, Story #66) 






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"Day of the Moon"

"The Curse of the Black Spot"

"The Doctor's Wife"

"The Rebel Flesh"

"The Almost People"

"A Good Man Goes To War"

"Let's Kill Hitler"

"Night Terrors"


"The Doctor, The Widow and the Wardrobe" (2011 Christmas Special)  





"An Unearthly Child" (Story #1)

"The Daleks" (Story #2)

"The Edge of Destruction" (Story #3)

"Marco Polo" (Story #4)

"The Keys of Marinus(Story #5)

"The Aztecs" (Story #6)

"The Sensorites" (Story #7)

"The Sensorites" (Story #7 - full DVD release) 

"The Reign of Terror" (Story #8)

"Planet of Giants" (Story #9) 

"The Dalek Invasion of Earth" (Story #10)

"The Rescue" (Story #11) 

"The Romans"  (Story #12) 

"The Web Planet" (Story #13) / SHERLOCK - "A Scandal in Belgravia" (Story #4)

"The Crusade" (Story #14) 

"The Space Museum" (Story #15) 

"The Chase" (Story #16) 

"The Time Meddler" (Story #17) 

"Galaxy 4" (Story #18) 

"The Gunfighters" (Story #25)

"The Tomb of the Cybermen" (Story #37) 

"The Colony in Space" (Story #58) 

"Day of the Daleks" (Story #60) + Preview of the DotD Special Edition

"The Three Doctors" (Story #65) 

"Invasion of the Dinosaurs" (Story #71) and SHERLOCK: "The Reichenbach Fall" (Story #6) 

"The Android Invasion" (Story #83) and SHERLOCK: "The Hounds of Baskerville" (Story #5) 

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"The Robots of Death" (Story #90) 

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"Frontios(Story #132)

"The Caves of Androzani" (Story #136) 

"Time and the Rani" (Story #144)

"Paradise Towers" (Story #145) + New WHOvian Documentary / Newsbits


Merrick's Personal Journey With The Doctor (How Merrick Got Hooked On DOCTOR WHO)

DOCTOR WHO Title Sequences & DW At Comic-Con 2011

"The Crash of the Elysium" (Manchester version - interactive DOCTOR WHO adventure)

Why Eccleston Left, Here Comes Caroline Skinner, And Season/Series Six Part 1 on Blu-Ray And DVD

New Trailer For Season/Series Six Part 2




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  • April 6, 2012, 10:10 a.m. CST


    by veteran_of_mu

    I mean ... first!

  • April 6, 2012, 10:11 a.m. CST


    by veteran_of_mu

    Second too ... I wonder if I can get them all?

  • April 6, 2012, 10:11 a.m. CST

    Great story. Always enjoy this one.

    by HornOrSilk

    But it is also clear Quatermass and the Pit is the inspiration for this one.

  • April 6, 2012, 10:11 a.m. CST


    by veteran_of_mu

    On a roll ...

  • April 6, 2012, 10:12 a.m. CST

    If they ever did a sequel I think they need to somehow adapt

    by HornOrSilk

    Wickerman. Imagine the Master with the Wickerman.

  • April 6, 2012, 10:12 a.m. CST

    Bah! Hornorsilk kicked me in the chumblies.

    by veteran_of_mu

  • You see it in movies like Zardoz and the original Apes series too. An almost Lovecraftian view of the universe as deep, multi-layered with many hidden ironies and threats. Man as an accident, perhaps an inconvenient one. These days we assume we're so clver about the way things are put together. In the post-war years it seemed people felt much more benighted and confused. And maybe that was a good thing ... ?

  • April 6, 2012, 10:21 a.m. CST

    Quatermass and the Pit

    by thethirdman3

    I saw this story and loved it. Years later I saw Quatermass and the Pit and realized the influence.

  • April 6, 2012, 10:26 a.m. CST


    by IAmTommyWiseau

  • April 6, 2012, 10:27 a.m. CST

    DAMN. Should have refreshed first....

    by IAmTommyWiseau

  • April 6, 2012, 10:31 a.m. CST

    Audition Script

    by Deagol21

    In that audition script, the Doctor says the new companion reminds him of someone he lost a long time ago. Since the new companion was announced, I've thought several times that she looks an awful lot like Wendy Padbury, who played Zoe during the Troughton era. I wonder if the writers are thinking the same thing, and that Zoe is who the Doctor is referring to? Of course, he didn't really "lose" her, in the sense that she died. But she was kind of taken away from him and had her memories of him wiped at the end of "The War Games." Probably no connection, but it's interesting to speculate about.

  • April 6, 2012, 10:49 a.m. CST

    Naah, not the Wicker Man

    by DoctorTom

    Merrick mentioned the one to do, though in a way they've already done it. Prince of Darkness. If you think about it, though, they kind of did that with The Waters of Mars. Liquid Martians instead of liquid Satan, but still, close enough for Who. I remember in the 90's when DWB put out the April Fool's joke that the missing episode 6 of this story had been found, which showed Azal coming back, and Angels showed up in the final episode. I think a lot of people were willing to believe the joke because of the way Azal's dealt with at the end of the story.

  • April 6, 2012, 10:54 a.m. CST

    Doctor Who RPG

    by Type 40

    Wow! I absolutely LOVE that Doctor Who RPG!! I'd never seen it before today's docback. Someone seriously knows their stuff. The attention to detail is amazing! If only it was real.

  • April 6, 2012, 10:57 a.m. CST

    This will be a hard weekend for us here

    by DoctorTom

    Normally tomorrow would be the night we'd get to watch the first episode of the new season. We've got many, many months to go, though I can't blame Moffat or the BBC. I actually agree that Doctor Who works better in the autumn/winter.

  • April 6, 2012, 11:08 a.m. CST

    Tech Issues

    by Merrick

    A few glitches getting today's Docback up & running. The site dropped many of my edits on two occasions, and the whole piece disappeared for a while - necessitating a repost. From what I can tell, the Docbacks are working as properly as they ever do (yes, that poorly), but please lemme know if you find more anomalies the usual!

  • And it also made me wanna rewatch Season 5 and 6 again since they're all on Netflix now. The Daemons was a stone cold classic, man, I haven't seen most of these episodes since I was in the single digits. I remember always thinking it was funny that some episodes were color and some were black and white, but I didn't care because we watched a ton of B&W stuff back then (still getting reruns of Dick Van Dyke and The Addams Family and everything in the early 80's, pre-Nick at Nite.) Do you think that kids today could handle TV without color? Shit, I've dated girls who can't handle old movies.

  • April 6, 2012, 11:33 a.m. CST

    Collegehumor video was too good not to share

    by Mister Vertue

    Even though a million people sent it to me, I had to forward it to Merrick because it was so unique.

  • April 6, 2012, 11:39 a.m. CST

    One thing that would be cool for the 50th anniversary

    by DoctorTom

    An episode done in black and white, especially if it involved a Hartnell or Troughton nemesis who hasn't really appeared since.

  • April 6, 2012, 11:40 a.m. CST

    Audition script

    by Mister Vertue

    Parts of that dialogue have been used before. This time I'm offering a signed copy of Oolon Colluphid's 'Some More of God's Greatest Mistakes' from my private collection for the first person who can identify where the dialogue was originally used! Also, 'Jasmine' is also recycled, but that'll be impossible to guess where it came from. Suffice to say, I seriously doubt Jenna-Louise's character will end up being called 'Jasmine' when we finally see her for the first time.

  • April 6, 2012, 11:43 a.m. CST

    LOVE the College Humor bit.

    by gotilk

    ESPECIALLY... Use Sonic. Run --> Do Nothing THAT was hilarious. The whole thing was hilarious. So good I would say it almost bothered me. It would have, if it wasn't obviously put together with so much love. Wonderful.

  • April 6, 2012, 11:49 a.m. CST

    sunspot_mike ... on relating.

    by gotilk

    I have dated *girls* as well who could not take older films. If it wasn't new, they didn't pay attention. One even refused to basically *look up* at it. Bizarre. My bad though. Should date within my own age range for greater success and happiness anyway. Reminded me of seeing the Avengers trailer. After the trailer some girl behind me asked her friend what a *philanthropist* is and the other girl explained to her in complete seriousness... *That's a guy that collects stamps*. *Why does Iron Man collect stamps?* ULTIMATE FACEPALM!!

  • April 6, 2012, 11:50 a.m. CST


    by gotilk

    Thank you so much for that video. I've watched it 3 times already.

  • April 6, 2012, 11:52 a.m. CST

    Re:Audition Script

    by platelet

    The doc says they remind him of someone just after this bit Jasmine: It's old. I love old things, they make me sad The Doctor: What's good about sad? Jasmine: It's happy for deep people. You'd know. He once new a girl who said: Sally Sparrow: I love old things. They make me feel sad. Kathy Nightingale: What's good about sad? Sally Sparrow: It's happy for deep people

  • April 6, 2012, 11:54 a.m. CST


    by gotilk

    I am afraid now... very afraid. On the technical problems... stuff happens. Glad you got it worked out. By the way... Whotininnies!! Did I mention Whotininnies? I miss it.

  • April 6, 2012, 11:55 a.m. CST

    MOV "The Enemy Within"

    by HornOrSilk

    Er, Doctor Who, 1996. I don't believe in ghosts.

  • April 6, 2012, noon CST

    8/16 Bit Doctor Who RPG.

    by gotilk

    Could be done if an indie developer was given the right to do it, as in licensing. But it's a LOT of work for someone to do for zero profit. I would play it for weeks on end if I could get my hands on it. I have seen many web-based emulations of old 8 and 16 bit games that worked beautifully. One thing I loved about the above video was the 8-bit music score. Talk about perfection and attention to detail.Lovely job. Just perfect.

  • April 6, 2012, noon CST

    @doctortom, I agree 100%

    by Disgruntled_Chinaman

    Same thing with the Harry Potter films, I felt they worked a LOT better in the winter/right around Christmas.

  • April 6, 2012, 12:01 p.m. CST


    by gotilk

    Have your Chumblies recovered yet, or are they still a little tender?

  • April 6, 2012, 12:16 p.m. CST

    platelet - wins

    by Mister Vertue

    That old hack 'The Moff' recycled a few lines from Blink for Jenna-Louise's audition script. Although I've just been informed that the information was freely available in Merrick's link anyway, which I wasn't aware of, so that signed copy will have to remain safely in my study until next time. Sorry platelet. *ducks flying rotten eggs and tomatoes as he exits stage right*

  • April 6, 2012, 12:18 p.m. CST

    Here's a link to see 'The Daemons'

    by obijuanmartinez

  • April 6, 2012, 12:27 p.m. CST

    Mad love for Roger Delgado's Master, BTW...

    by obijuanmartinez

  • April 6, 2012, 12:28 p.m. CST

    This story also sees the return of Stephen Thorne (Omega, Eldrad) as Azal

    by obijuanmartinez

  • April 6, 2012, 12:44 p.m. CST

    MOV but... what I said is true

    by HornOrSilk


  • April 6, 2012, 12:47 p.m. CST


    by gotilk

    So true about the Potter films as well. Those were, for some reason, just perfect Winter escape films. They will be missed. I was not a fan of the books, but the films I always found entertaining. My favorite was Cuaron's Harry Potter and the Prisoner of Azkaban. It had an *old film* feeling that I do not think was ever fully re-captured. Maybe old film is not even right.... more like we were witnessing something that happened long ago.

  • April 6, 2012, 1:02 p.m. CST

    hornorsilk - it seems you're right!

    by Mister Vertue

    How about I award you second place? The prize being my lifelong admiration of your Doctor Who knowledge. I know it's lame, but that's all I have right now. Sorry.

  • April 6, 2012, 1:09 p.m. CST

    MOV - I didn't check Merrick's link

    by DoctorTom

    but I normally go to Bleeding Cool and saw that there yesterday, so when I saw your test I knew that the crib sheet for it was already there. Seriously, Bleeding Cool has done a good job posting up rumors, set pictures and the like for upcoming Who stuff, and many a time faster than they might show up at the Doctor Who News page or some other places. Rich was heavily covering Doctor Who even before he split the website to have a separate film/tv column area.

  • April 6, 2012, 1:14 p.m. CST

    The BBC3 reference was prescient.

    by V'Shael

    It's the sort of channel that would run such hokum as a haunted archaeological dig

  • April 6, 2012, 1:16 p.m. CST

    And, speaking of the devil....

    by DoctorTom

    there's an article at Bleeding Cool now about the filming of episode 5. With pictures of the set. That include statues. (They often use long headers that will require tinyurl in order to not have the forum go spastic). (And, for some reason, I continuously have dyslexic typing that always makes me type tinyrul first instead of tinyurl. Tinyrul sounds like a name for a Doctor Who character in a Bob Baker/Dave Martin episode on an alien planet. *Well, Doctor, funny that you should show up right when somebody is murdered. I'm Detective Tinyrul, and I'll need you to go with Sergeant Qyrzm in the speeder up to our space station precinct quarters to answer some questions, not the least of which is who stole the vowels from my Sergeant's name.*

  • or at least a thinly veiled version of them, so that BBC wouldn't have to pay off Syfy.

  • April 6, 2012, 1:39 p.m. CST

    MOV that's still a good award

    by HornOrSilk

    Recognition. That's better than Douglas' signature, which I already have anyway ;)

  • April 6, 2012, 1:51 p.m. CST

    Sad news about The Fades though....

    by gotilk

    I really enjoyed it, especially the friendship between the 2 main leads. Realistic, endearing, heartwarming, sweet. As well as rare. At least it did resolve itself, somewhat. I thought the ratings were great for it? I wonder what happened. I'm positive all of the young actors involved have bright futures ahead of them. Maybe that's part of it. Especially Daniel Kaluuya , who was also great in Black Mirror. That guy deserves his own show focused on him. Nanu-nanu.

  • April 6, 2012, 2:04 p.m. CST

    Barry Letts and CSO

    by photoboy

    I've got massive amounts of respect for Barry Letts and the work he did with CSO. While it did have its issues, particularly with fringing, it allowed him to tell stories that just couldn't have been done even if they'd spent the entire season's budget on it. He made so many clever uses of it, ranging from making things vanish/melt to making characters shrink/grow. On top of all that he was great with actors and story telling too! For such a talented guy, I think he deserves a lot more recognition than he got.

  • April 6, 2012, 2:07 p.m. CST

    I would have played that RPG on the SNES

    by Chris

    if it had been available. And, just saying, Kurt Russell, from what I saw on the audition tape, would have made a good Han Solo. If he just combined Snake Plissken (sp?) and his character from Big Trouble in Little China it could have been as good as Ford's. (No more revisions Lucas)

  • April 6, 2012, 2:43 p.m. CST

    Does Daemon Runyon show up?

    by cookylamoo

  • April 6, 2012, 2:59 p.m. CST

    MOV I Didn't exactly cheat ;-)

    by platelet

    I didn't follow the link, but had been discussing it yesterday elsewhere so did a simple cut&paste. Hardly deserving of the signed copy And to be honest the reason I spotted it was I'd watched blink a few days earlier and liked the lines themselves.

  • April 6, 2012, 3:21 p.m. CST

    sigh... Whotininnies

    by Ken Plume

    Trust me, Whotininnies will return. Glen and I have both been swamped as of late, but we are dedicated to being foolish for public consumption again in the very near future. And possibly live in front of people, as well. Plus, we're doing other very silly things. Very, very silly.

  • April 6, 2012, 6:39 p.m. CST


    by HornOrSilk

    Need Dalek eggs...

  • April 6, 2012, 6:55 p.m. CST

    Anybody else think the new companion could be..

    by cosmic_dolphin

    ..a regeneration of Jenny from ' The Doctor's Daughter '??? It would certainly be the last person he would be expecting to show up as she was dead last thing he knew....and she could sure keep up with the Doctor.

  • April 6, 2012, 7:12 p.m. CST

    Hooray! Lovely Rita Returns!

    by veteran_of_mu

    Amara Khan, who played Rita in TGC, is Simon Pegg's love interest in ~A Fantastic Fear of Everything~ - details at I so wish she'd stuck around as a proper companion. She's fantastic! And, um, fearful!

  • April 6, 2012, 7:13 p.m. CST

    And good for the chumblies, thanks for asking G.

    by veteran_of_mu

  • April 6, 2012, 7:14 p.m. CST

    @cosmic_dolphin - that would also explain the sweater.

    by veteran_of_mu

  • April 6, 2012, 8:30 p.m. CST

    WOW, MOV!

    by wtriker1701

    Your duality never seizes to amaze me!

  • April 6, 2012, 9:25 p.m. CST

    'The Daemons' minutia...

    by obijuanmartinez

    The incantation that the Master uses in summoning Azal is actually the nursery rhyme "Mary Had a Little Lamb" said backwards

  • April 7, 2012, 4:13 a.m. CST

    @caractacuspotts - What like a Xmas Present

    by cosmic_dolphin

    From her Father ? ...Put that on'll get a chill in your chumblies else. haha.

  • April 7, 2012, 4:59 a.m. CST

    caractacuspotts Thank you for the Rita news.

    by gotilk

    Loved her.


  • April 7, 2012, 2:47 p.m. CST

    Holy recycled footage, Batman! 'The Daemons' minutia, part deux...

    by obijuanmartinez

    Apparently they recycled footage from the helicopter crash in the Connery Bond film 'From Russia with Love' in 'The Daemons' (when the UNIT chopper flies into the heat shield surrounding Devil's's comparison footage: 007: Who (Go to the 09:30 mark):

  • April 7, 2012, 11:12 p.m. CST

    Watching Daemons now.

    by gotilk

    Finally... a break.. and a much needed cranial injection of oxytocin-inducing Who. And thank you, obijuanmartinez for that making-of link. Bonus! I swear sometimes, if it were not for DocBack and the people in it, I would have fallen into a deep, crushing depression a year ago that I would still be in. I deal with a lot of really brutal humanity on a daily basis and all of this is such a great way to escape for a while in the middle of it all. So THANK YOU. Thank you Merrick, thank you everyone here. Don't be surprised if I repeat myself in the next DocBack or two. I'm just so thankful. And while it might seem dramatic and all, it's really not. It's the hard truth. You people are amazing.

  • April 7, 2012, 11:13 p.m. CST

    Where did everyone go?

    by gotilk

    Slow weekend, I guess. I'd like to add a *no-pressure* ... WHOTININNIES. No rush.

  • April 7, 2012, 11:44 p.m. CST

    We're still around now and then, Gotilk

    by DoctorTom

    actually off to do some reading soon, I was just checking a few websites now. Oh, and you might be interested in going to They're running excerpts from John Scalzi's upcoming novel Redshirts. Last week they made the first 3 chapters available, and now they have chapters 4 and 5. Just to taunt you, a bit of the prologue: ***** From the top of the large boulder he sat on, Ensign Tom Davis looked across the expanse of the cave, toward Captain Lucius Abernathy, Science Officer Q’eeng and Chief Engineer Paul West perched on a second, larger boulder, and thought, Well, this sucks. “Borgovian Land Worms!” Captain Abernathy said, and smacked his boulder with an open palm. “I should have known.” You should have known? How the hell could you not have known? thought Ensign Davis, and looked at the vast dirt floor of the cave, its powdery surface moving here and there with the shadowy humps that marked the movement of the massive, carnivorous worms. **** It looks like it's going to be a fun read, a good Star Trek parody.

  • April 7, 2012, 11:51 p.m. CST

    Would the Doctor catch Martian Pit-Flu?

    by DoctorTom

    ramblings on Martian Chain-Pits by Warren Ellis: For some reason I could see him working this into a Doctor Who story. Hmmm, maybe Moffat's going to go the Warren Ellis route with the new companion. Instead of referring to her as a companion, maybe he'll refer to JLC as his filthy assistant. Then again, if Ellis had been around to write tv scripts in the early 70's, he'd probably have tried to have a script where Pertwee was drunk off his ass on wine, tooling around in the Whomobile and shooting random UNIT troops and aliens with a bowel disruptor. Actually, I take that back - he'd either have the Master doing it, or bring back someone like the Meddling Monk. Anybody for Warren Ellis bringing back the Meddling Monk, with a flying car TARDIS (because in the future everyone should have a flying car) and changing history by shooting Hitler during his first speech where he rallied the Germans with a bowel disruptor, keeping his party from getting into power in the first place...

  • DoctorTom: I thought you were more of a scholar of the Classic Series. In the previous DocBack, you brought up what you called the "Dalek Lawyers" of the TVM who put The Master on trial at the beginning of the flick. Do you not remember the Daleks threatening to place Davros on trial back in the Classic Series? ["Revelation of the Daleks", to be exact]. Ergo, it was not something made up on the fly by "stupid American tv executives" as some members of the online fandom tries to suggest. Actually, the same thing was erroneously said at GallifreyOne a couple of times. Reminds me of the lady who felt the need to yell out "12 Lives" during the Doctor Who TV Movie Cast Reunion Live Commentary Session at the point of McGann's original narration explaining that Time Lords have 13 lives. The fan was completely wrong since the rule was 12 regenerations for a total of 13 lives/incarnations. Some fans should really put their knives away.

  • Adding color captured from a US video tape and overlaying it to the sharper/higher res B&W film stock sounds like the process NewTek used to use back in the Amiga days. They had a multi-color scanning filter "wheel" device that would be placed over the lens of a B&W camera with the intent of creating color images as sharp/if not sharper than B&W versions. reading about the usage of this technique for this DVD release just brought back memories of circa 1987...

  • April 8, 2012, 1:06 a.m. CST


    by gotilk

    That does sound very entertaining. Just my kind of thing. Thanks!

  • April 8, 2012, 1:17 a.m. CST

    The idea of Pertwee having *hissy fits*

    by gotilk

    is just really, really fun. Something that should have been captured for history. I can only imagine. With his voice. Hilarious.

  • April 8, 2012, 4:05 a.m. CST


    by Johnboy40

    Im assuming that the Fades won't be getting a second series? Pity, it was excellent. I thought that Daniel wotsits character (the alleged comic relief, I suppose) was a waste of space. nothing against the actor or his performance. Just the character turned me off

  • April 8, 2012, 6:53 a.m. CST


    by gotilk

    Really?? I really loved that character. Either way, I'm still sad that we won't be getting another series. It really was good. Maybe they'll do a few books. Or comics. I'd prefer books really, for that show.

  • April 8, 2012, 9:41 a.m. CST

    Rewatching Face of Evil

    by veteran_of_mu

    I missed this one as a kid - don't recall why, possibly something to do with homework. Watching it now is such a pleasure - Tom Baker and Louise Jameson were so very, very good in it. The plot is a bit soggy and the FX and pacing are par for the day. But the performances just shine. In fact it makes me doubt again whether young Matt Smith could possibly have kept up. Assuming we have Tom back for the 50th and he's on form I don't think there's anyone left who could possibly upstage him. His compassion, wit, spirit and eccentricity make him the ultimate Doctor. We knew he was something special back in the day. Now ... well, it's like watching the Beatles perform. You just can't have such a wonder happen again.

  • April 8, 2012, 11:32 a.m. CST

    @caractacuspotts - This is not your father's Doctor

    by Perigee

    No offense meant, especially since Tom is "My" Doctor. I'm not sure - especially in England - whether the 11th would have even made it to comedy relief sidekick status. Back in the day. But times, and entertainment, have changed. Faster and manic = more clever. If you take a majority of NuWho viewers, Tom would come off as Matt's slower, grinning Sancho Panza - especially in the current no-arc, done in one format.

  • April 8, 2012, 12:17 p.m. CST

    lynxpro - good memory

    by DoctorTom

    although you didn't actually see Dalek lawyers in Revelation of the Daleks, they only mentioned the possibility of a trial. (And, we can see how that went, since the next time we see Davros he's in charge again of the Imperial version of the Daleks.) Still, you only actually see Dalek lawyers (per se) in the McGann movie. With Nation holding the Dalek license though, I have a feeling that Fox can't really try to claim the concept is purely theirs. Seeing Daleks going around yelling LIT-I-GATE! would be fun.

  • April 8, 2012, 12:38 p.m. CST

    Caractuspotts - different Doctors for different times

    by DoctorTom

    Tom Baker and Matt Smith are my two favorites, Tom was "my" Doctor back in the day, but Matt started out strong and kept working his way up until now I think he matches Baker. As Perigee mentions, they're really two Doctors for two different times and two different paces of stories Given the pace of stories now, Matt works in context. Tom works in context with the longer stories. Could you imagine the older stories if the Doctor passed out cell phones that worked anywhere to his companions? Some of the problems that old writers used wouldn't be applicable, and they'd had to have come up with different ways to pad the story out. (And, when you consider it, why didn't the Doctor pass out means of communication to his companions in the past - other than the producers and writers not thinking about it? He's been to the future, and to other planets - surely he'd been somewhere that used cell phones.) If Matt Smith had picked up Tegan, he'd have dropped her off at Heathrow much sooner, probably before the end of Logopolis. *I'm sorry that your aunt is dead, but I can tell now that you're just going to be too whiny about everything, and I'm too old for putting up with that all the time.* Of course, if it had been a newly regenerated Matt Smith who had plugged into Xoanon to fix him, he'd probably have left a copy of the Dream Lord behind accidentally. That might have made things a bit different for meeting Leela.

  • April 8, 2012, 1:23 p.m. CST

    Doctor Who up for 3 Hugo Awards

    by DoctorTom

    The Doctor's Wife, The Girl Who Waited and A Good Man Goes to War are all nominated. They're competing against The Drink Tank's Hugo Acceptance Speech, and the Community episode Remedial Chaos Theory. Hopefully the Who vote doesn't get split that much, but I suspect that some people who might have gone for Community might vote for Neil Gaiman.

  • (from Doctor Who News) Doctor Who Magazine announced that Coleman will be filming the Christmas episode in Block 4 in May. Given they got this wrong, how much credence should we give their so-called news that they won't be filming the rest of the episodes after the Christmas episode until the new year? We should know in a month or two whether what they claimed was a bunch of Nimon dookey or not, when they film Block 6. (Now, it might be possible they take a short break in the early summer but I don't see them stopping shooting in 2012, especially when we've had Moffat specifically tell us that the entire season will be shot in 2012. Right now, I'll side with Moffat's statement over one in an article that already had another of their so-called facts prove wrong.)

  • April 8, 2012, 1:41 p.m. CST

    How many times is the Doctor going to go back for Amy?

    by DoctorTom

    Reports from outside filming on Thursday had them filming Episode 1 Scene 64 (apparently not the Western episode) which actively involved Amy and Rory waving goodbye to the TARDIS. So, it looks like the Doctor is picking up Amy and Rory at least twice, once possibly as a continuation of being with them at Christmas (or else he left then and is picking them up for at least a third time), dropping them off near the end of episode 1, and picks them up again before the Western episode. That explains Amy's comments in the season trailer about the last time she saw the Doctor. Supposedly they're filming episodes 1 and 5 now. We've had the Angels confirmed for ep 5 by Moffat, and ep 1 looks like it might be the Dalek episode (which we know they had just been filming in studio).

  • April 8, 2012, 2:13 p.m. CST

    The Hugos

    by gotilk

    I'd give The Doctor's Wife my vote. I would vote for the Community episode in last place, BUT it was a brilliant episode.

  • April 8, 2012, 2:17 p.m. CST


    by gotilk

    Ooh. Hope they don't scream *heathens!!* and refuse to give you candy eggs. Have a good time. I'm staying away from the Easter celebrations, personally. Just not up for it this year.

  • April 8, 2012, 8:14 p.m. CST

    OK - so: Old Doctors, New episodes?

    by Perigee

    Caractacus' post made me think - are there any Old Doctors who could work in the NuWho format? 45 minutes from beginning to resolution, high-speed danger, discovery and denouement?

  • April 8, 2012, 9:06 p.m. CST

    Baker vs. Smith

    by veteran_of_mu

    I think the only way to really sort this out is to speculate fiercely. Starting mind to mind: XI: Now, Amy, the point of Vincent's fascination with his own face is - IV: So, Romana, human suffering is what generates the beauty on these walls. If you distilled every drop of agony that went into these paste covered boards you'd ... hello ... doesn't this chap in the bow tie remind you of someone? XI: Whoops. Er, look, very awkward really must be going probably time to give Sexy her ten thousand century lube-job - IV: Now now young fellow, despite appearances I don't actually bite. Would you like a jelly baby? [XI hesitates. Amy goggles at him, pouts, reaches out and takes two jelly babies, pops one in her mouth and attempts to feed the other to XI, who ducks.] Amy: Mmm! They're good! Come on Mr Art Critic, you're not so clever you can't enjoy a sweetie. XI: Amy, you don't understand. If I was to eat one of those I'd - Amy: Doctor I hate to break it to you but you could actually stand to gain a couple of pounds. IV: Doctor ... Doctor Who? XI: Now don't you start. Amy, what you hold in your hand is possibly the most dangerous object on this planet at the moment. If I was to eat that, it would rip a hole in time and space that could destroy two thirds of the - [Romana winks at Amy. Amy pops it in XI's open mouth. He gulps and swallows. Nothing happens.] IV: Really young man while I appreciate your concern I should mention I bought that bag in the candy store down the road not half an hour ago. Effective salesman, that lolly vendor, a Mr Blinovitch ... [he grins. XI looks disconcerted.] XI: Ah. Well. Introductions are in order. Amy, this is Romana. Romana, Amy. And this is - IV: No need to belabour the obvious, surely the penny has dropped. Romana: I should certainly say so. IV: You should? Romana: Did you really think I regenerated capriciously, Doctor? IV: When? Romana: You know when. Did you really think I burned through all those bodies just to be stylish? IV: You are stylish. XI: Look, we don't have time for this - IV: What on earth has happened to me? Don't have time? If I don't have time, who does? Amy: He's ... you! [Everyone stares at Amy for a moment] Romana: You always did like them fluffy, Doctor. IV: Not that fluffy. XI: Now look, that's completely out of line. Amy isn't fluffy. Amy: I certainly am not. XI: And I do not like her! Er, I mean not like that. VI and Romana give each other knowing looks. VI: Well then I'm very sorry, Doctor, I certainly didn't mean to imply anything. I can see at a glance she's a married human but she does seem rather ... well, you know ... XI: I don't and one day you won't either. VI: Thank you for clearing that up. [To be continued ... but only if you lot want ...]

  • April 8, 2012, 9:09 p.m. CST

    Whoops! g/VI/s//IV/g.

    by veteran_of_mu

  • April 8, 2012, 9:48 p.m. CST

    Doctors on 45; carry on, MacDuff...

    by Perigee

    Just keep in mind that our esteemed 4th Doctor has to meet with the Prime Directive of NuWho - sew it up and get out in 45 minutes. I've been nosing through Tom's stuff for the past few hours, trying to figure out whether you could edit an arc down into that window. And, although the stuff is rife with filler, you really can't take Baker's Doctor and speed him up - he works at his speed perfectly. Even his presentation. Relaxed, and mellow, erudite and precise while slightly eccentric. He's a walker, and I can't even imagine him running. He's got a superb tempo, and I would worry that he'd be lessened by forcing him out of it.

  • April 9, 2012, 3:14 a.m. CST

    IV vs. XI Round Two

    by veteran_of_mu

    I'm just going to assume someone will enjoy reading this as much as I'm enjoying writing it. [Amy advances on IV and thoroughly invades his personal space] Amy: What kind of a Doctor are you then? I mean, past, future, parallel, ganger, tess- XI: AMY! Spoilers! Amy: That's just about you and River. IV: River? Spoilers? Hmm. Young lady, I should follow your Doctor's advice. He will have had known what he's talking about. Amy: He ... what? Romana: Will have had known. Past-Antepenperfect conjugation of the verb ~to know~. Amy: You're joking. XI: She's not. Now really it will have had been very nice but we must have been going to have had be going. Now. It is far too dangerous for me to be making memories like this. Amy: Doctor, have you forgotten how to speak English recently? IV: Never knew it. That is, he never did. And in answer to your question, past, I think. Number four, at your service. [bows, flourishes hat] XI: No we have picked up a smattering of English of late. Quite useful to be able to read emergency warning signs when the Tardis is ... indisposed. Amy: [to XI] You don't speak English? Romana: [to IV] I agree, you really don't usually go in for this depth of fluffy. Amy: The next Time-head who uses the word fluffy is going to have to have had a serious talking to with my husband. IV: That's really quite good. Romana, don't you think that's quite good? I really think she's going to have had it. What do you say, Doctor? XI: I say we're leaving. Amy: And you say that because you remember us leaving now, do you? XI: Of course I don't remember that. Not yet anyway. But I will have remembered it just as soon as it will have had happened. Amy: Stop it! Romana: He's not doing it. It's the Tardis. Gallifreyan tenses usually translate all right into English, but not in situations like this. Language is too fluff- er, too small. IV: And this husband of yours - is he a very stern fellow? About so high? Amy: Yes. IV: Beard? Dark suit? Amy: No. Why would you think that? IV: Oh ... no reason. Psychic residue of someone about so high with a beard and a dark suit, that's all. XI: [points his finger at IV] Spoilers! Amy: What? Him? He knows spoilers? How can he have had known spoilers? IV: I really do think she's got it. [to be continued. Er, to have had been continued ...]

  • April 9, 2012, 9:56 a.m. CST

    Perigee - Older Doctors that would work in the new format

    by DoctorTom

    McCoy would work. He had 3 part stories, so it wouldn't be that much to get down to 45 minutes. The format was already starting to speed up a little there. Paul McGann didn't have an established format since he only had the movie, but the audios he did with Sheridan Smith were about the equivalent of a 2 parter (maybe with just a few extra minutes), so he'd work in the format. I think Time Crash pointed out the obvious in that Davison led the way for a lot of this. He even had a 45-50 minute story every season. Give Davison some psychic paper and he'd be set. Really, any of the older Doctors with the new format would have ended up with something like psychic paper since its invention was to enable the Doctor to get stuck into the situation faster without the almost obligatory stereotypical situation in classis Who where the Doctor gets mistaken as the culprit and locked up (the first time, as there would be many more episode padding escapes and captures later). You might could do it with the other Doctors, but it would seem a more jarring readjustment. I think Pertwee and Hartnell would be the biggest changes. Hartnell's stories really were different from those that came after, and he certainly wasn't set up for the fast paced running down corridors. Pertwee would suffer under the format because he wanted his moments of charm and have extended vehicle driving scenes, and probably would have wanted to keep the fight scenes in. His moment of charm bits would probably slow things down too much nowadays, and we don't have the time for his driving. A prime example here is looking at the alternate version of Planet of Spiders, which managed to trim a 6 part story down to 90 minutes without losing any of the story at all.

  • April 9, 2012, 10 a.m. CST


    by DoctorTom

    fun stuff! I could see IV and Romana doing a spit-take though if XI ever referred to Amy as his mother-in-law. VII and XI would be interesting too - I could see XI slipping VII crib sheets about what needs to be done.

  • April 9, 2012, 10:17 a.m. CST


    by veteran_of_mu

    I'd love to see you do 7&11. You have to throw in a craps joke though. For me I'm going to ride out the collision at the Louvre. No one's even noticed that they're there 30 years apart yet ...

  • April 9, 2012, 11:15 a.m. CST


    by DoctorTom

    But they might have been 30 years apart at one point but will they still have been 30 years apart in the future when they had met? Tenses are fun.

  • April 9, 2012, 11:48 a.m. CST

    What the HELL is this...?

    by Perigee

  • April 9, 2012, noon CST

    *You are lucky your husband is dead!*

    by gotilk

    Doctor Whoooey! That.was.strange.very.very.strange. Not sure if it's even strange in a good/funny way. Just....strange. There's another that is a Trek parody. Probably from some cheap comedy show in Turkey or something. In the Trek one he's Captain Whooey.

  • April 9, 2012, 12:07 p.m. CST

    All quirk and mania.

    by gotilk

    I really can't get behind this idea that Smith's Doctor is all quirkiness and mania.... and not much else. Those are both there, and I'm sure for some they can be distracting, but there's much more depth to this Doctor than just those 2 things. I respect the opinions of those who love the old Doctors though, because I love them to. I just can't agree 100% about their opinions of Smith.

  • April 9, 2012, 12:08 p.m. CST

    The site is acting weird.

    by gotilk

    I had to click on the DocBack 4 times to get to it. Anyone else noticing this?

  • April 9, 2012, 12:38 p.m. CST

    70's prog rock Daleks spotted in the new episode

    by DoctorTom

  • April 9, 2012, 12:39 p.m. CST

    You're right about the site being weird

    by DoctorTom

    A couple of times today I hit refresh screen, but I was dumped back onto the main page instead of just having this thread refreshed.

  • April 9, 2012, 12:46 p.m. CST

    I'll agree with you Gotilk

    by DoctorTom

    Smith's Doctor isn't just quirkiness and mania. He has a bit of the manipulating events that you would see with Troughton or McCoy. A lot of the times the quirks and mania are used as a cover to hide his actual intentions and plot. You catch the bits of it like when we figure out that he's at the monastery to investigate the Flesh, or the off handed comment that lets us know that he knows he's going to die and has a plan to work around it. As a side note, I also liked that after Amy blurted out to what she thought was the gangerDoc that she's seen the original die, and we find out later that it was the original who heard that, we're not beaten over the head later with the fact that the Doctor knows at that point. In a lot of classic stories they'd have been beating us over the head with that though. Not necessarily the McCoy episodes, I remember the complaints from some people that some things weren't emphasized enough. They were there if you were paying attention.

  • April 9, 2012, 3:55 p.m. CST


    by gotilk

    The refresh thing happened to me too earlier. Seems to be back to normal now.

  • April 9, 2012, 3:58 p.m. CST

    That Dalek Floyd art was great.

    by gotilk

    No dark sarcasm the TARDIS. MASTER!!!... leave that Doc alone...

  • April 9, 2012, 4:56 p.m. CST


    by DoctorTom

    How can you have your custard if you haven't had any fish fingers?

  • April 9, 2012, 5:50 p.m. CST

    All in all it's just a 'nother crack in the wall.

    by veteran_of_mu

    And the Beedeer is clearly related to the Nimon. But scarier.

  • April 9, 2012, 6:46 p.m. CST


    by gotilk

    Much, much scarier.

  • April 9, 2012, 6:47 p.m. CST

    look at the size of this pool......

    by gotilk

    wanna take a bath?? ...obscure one....

  • April 9, 2012, 7:24 p.m. CST

    The only water in the Forest is Roger.

    by DoctorTom

    Now THAT statement might have changed the prayer mat reveal at the end of A Good Man Goes to War. Then again, maybe not. (Warning, a major WHAT follows.) It provides a perfect explanation for what Melody was doing after Day of the Moon. She regenerated into Roger Waters, and played in Pink Floyd until it was time for her to become friends with a young Amelia Pond, at which time she got in contact with some Pink Floyd impersonators and had the Roger Waters impersonater take his place (much like Elvis was replaced by an impersonator who died before the real Elvis could take his spot back, resulting in Elvis being found in a rest home in Texas and fighting Aztec mummies. But I digress.). AFter getting an impersonator, Melody regenerates again into Mels, leading into the scenes which we saw in Let's Kill Hitler. For some reason I find the idea amusing that Melody/Roger/River was going around playing in a prog rock band during the UNIT era.

  • April 9, 2012, 9:02 p.m. CST


    by gotilk

    that explains why Waters was often seen being uncharacteristically attracted to young men in suspenders and bow ties with manic personalities. But only for a few years.

  • April 10, 2012, 9:45 a.m. CST

    Morning all!

    by Mister Vertue

    I think someone mentioned the filming schedule above and how it may be broken up (I could be mistaken), but I wanted to clarify anyway. Shooting will run right through to Autumn with no breaks at all. That's locked in and Matt has no other commitments until filming has wrapped. As an aside - American coffee. Is there anything finer? You could almost say it's addictive.

  • April 10, 2012, 10:26 a.m. CST

    I mentioned it, MOV

    by DoctorTom

    but only to refute what had been said in that idiot article that said the second half of the season wouldn't film until 2013, and that Jenna Louise Coleman wouldn't appear until episode 7. The evidence of JLC filming in the Christmas Special in May disproves that, and the claims from Moffat that all of this season would film in 2012 have been previously documented. Thanks for the info that the filming will go through the autumn. I didn't know if they'd get the filming done in the summer. I'd rather have them take their time with it and get it right (and hopefully not burn out everyone) rather than rush the filming. American coffee - actually I can think of better things, but then again I'm not a coffee drinker. I'm relegated to diet sodas now (but I'm convinced that birch beer - regular or diet - is the nectar of the gods, Also, in honor of the upcoming Western episode I'll have to see if I can track down again some diet sarsparilla that I found before. I recall lots of westerns where someone wouldn't drink alcohol but would order sarsparilla)

  • April 10, 2012, 10:38 a.m. CST


    by Mister Vertue

    Every single second of series seven *must* be completed before the end of 2012. We all know just how insane 2013 is going to be for this show and there can't be any overspill. Of course, that doesn't mean all of series seven will now air in 2012 (sadly), but it sure as hell will be fully finished.

  • April 10, 2012, 10:42 a.m. CST

    Any Docbackers living in NYC?

    by Mister Vertue

    You know that filming is taking place there, right? It's happening *RIGHT NOW*.

  • April 10, 2012, 12:24 p.m. CST

    I've never had anything other than American and Columbian coffee

    by gotilk

    that I know of. And I love almost all of it. I like it dark and a little bitter, like the room I sleep in after some dates.

  • April 10, 2012, 12:27 p.m. CST

    I WISH I lived in NYC *RIGHT NOW*

    by gotilk

    Who is it that lives in NYC that is a regular here. I know there's at least one. And if you can find PEET's Coffee anywhere (might be a west coast thing), it is well worth it. Great coffee. Try 4 shots on ice with half and half instead of milk, no water added, a couple of squirts of FRENCH Vanilla Torani.... heavenly. Trust me.

  • April 10, 2012, 12:28 p.m. CST

    The 4 shots may seem excessive

    by gotilk

    BUT, in reality just plain coffee has more caffeine. Truth.

  • Possible appearance of one or all Who cast members on a late, late night talk show we all know and, maybe, love.

  • How long does it take to film an episode on location? In other words, how long will they be in the US?

  • April 10, 2012, 4:48 p.m. CST

    Australian Coffee

    by veteran_of_mu

    It is a little known fact - outside Australia - that the finest coffee in the world is presently to be had in Sydney and Melbourne. The Italian coffee tradition is lingua franca here - pardon the mix - and the American chain coffee stores are universally reviled as the flaccid and filthy factory-boxed imitations they really are. Down here Coffee is not a beverage but a competitive art form. In Australia, Baristas - meaning coffee bartenders - are highly respected professionals commanding high fees. Coffee shops are not chains but individually owned boutiques, as socially central as pubs and clubs. As many Australian homes sport espresso machines as microwave ovens, and many Australians grind their own beans both for the quality of the oils and for the scent. For as we all know the best coffee tastes like it smells. And to achieve that rare distinction, even in Australia, requires culinary diversity, competition, and the real commitment to social progress that America so sorely lacks. Speaking on behalf of my natal Antipodes, having resided in America for almost a decade, gained a citizenship, sampled the finest American food and beverages on both American coasts and several mid-American posts in between, you may trust me to speak with authority when I declare American Coffee anathema, an offence against human progress, an oxymoron in the same league as Mexican hamburgers, Turkish diplomacy, and British pineapple. Most of it doesn't rise above the quality of hot black dishwater. Though I make exception for the vendors of chicory coffee - especially the Two Sisters in New Orleans. If MOV or any of you battery-grown coffee-rubes ever make it down to civilisation, look me up and I'll take you to Piccolo Padre in Balmain. And then, for the first time in your life, you'll know what coffee tastes like.

  • April 10, 2012, 4:50 p.m. CST

    Nutmeg on cappuccino - oh the humanity!

    by veteran_of_mu

  • April 10, 2012, 5:07 p.m. CST


    by DoctorTom

    I suspect it won't be more than a week filming over here, but it's possible it could go to 2 weeks. Katherine Jenkins is on Craig Ferguson Thursday night, but I don't see any other Who related people listed as guest stars for about a week, anyway. I don't see guest listings for a week from Thursday or Friday yet, and it's possible one could be smuggled in on one of the days they already have listed.

  • April 10, 2012, 5:09 p.m. CST

    Of course, the funny thing about coffee is

    by DoctorTom

    how much personal taste plays into it. I know people who will avoid Starbucks and many of the mom and pop coffee shops, and insist that the coffee they like best is from Dunkin Donuts.

  • April 10, 2012, 5:10 p.m. CST

    Daemons and Carnival of Monsters Special Edition out today

    by DoctorTom

    I just got my copies from Amazon. Yaay! I also got the DVDs for Logan's Run: The Series. I had forgotten that people like Harlan Ellison, DC Fontana and David Gerrold wrote for the series.

  • April 10, 2012, 5:34 p.m. CST

    @Doctom - certainly Honi Soit ...

    by veteran_of_mu

    ... but that said ... I pity the fools!

  • Katherine Jenkins most likely will talk about her time on the Who Xmas Special and her Dancing with the Stars appearance(s). And, congrats on getting the Logan's Run: The Series DVD set. I got a soft spot in my heart for 80s SciFi on TV. Just my opinion, but, back then, at least the networks (All 3 of them!) tried to give us SciFi.

  • April 10, 2012, 10:44 p.m. CST

    Morris Dancers of EVIL!!!

    by Perigee

    Wow. catching up on this one, much belated. Having come into DW with Baker, these docbacks have been my first real motivation to see the early Doctors at work, and I have to say, I REALLY like Pertwee. I'm almost prepared to say that his might have been the real Golden Age. The Brigadier is - at least in this one - more than just a guy who is perpetually flustered by the Doctor's outrage, and Delgado is above and beyond the best Master ever. Even if he was in a goofy Doctor Strange get-up. The story was a bit fluff (Didn't they steal that whole village barrier thing from some English horror movie about kids with glowing eyes?), but this thing really worked on an ensemble level better than anything I remember from the Baker episodes. The only thing I can't say I liked was that Pertwee's Doctor didn't actually Do anything. He was pretty much there as exposition. I'm gonna have to dig deeper to see if he was always so peripheral in his own series. Apart from that, I'm moving Pertwee (tentatively) into my #4 position in my list of best Doctors. (BTW - Benton is PATHETIC at hand to hand combat. His Kirk-kicky fight in the chapel had me laughing.)

  • April 11, 2012, 3:55 a.m. CST

    Midwich Cuckoos by John Wyndham

    by veteran_of_mu

    Filmed as Village of the Damned. Wyndham is better known as author of Day of the Triffids, obviously echoed in the Krynoid in Seeds of Doom, which itself echoes Seeds Of Time, a Wyndham anthology. And which was itself echoed in Ridley Scott's Alien - Scotts connection to DW being well known. Wyndham is in general very Whovian in flavour - or more properly DW is very Wyndhamian. Highly recommended!


  • The Doctor uses the alias 'The Great Wizard Qui Quae Quod' - The masculine, feminine, and nominative forms of 'who' in Latin. Fodder for the Question 'Doctor...WHO?' that keeps cropping up of late

  • April 11, 2012, 12:03 p.m. CST

    @perigree: Pertwee is the James Bond of Doctors, and...

    by obijuanmartinez

    ...he very definitely doesn't hold up the scenery (much) in his adventures, I'm happy to say! His tenure is defined by gadgets during the first 'Earth exile' adventures (before the Time Lords lift his exile), tinkering w/ vehicles (check out 'Planet of the Spiders', his swan-song: He uses a hover craft, his sports-car 'Bessie', and the flying 'Whomobile' car), as well as his famous displays of 'Venusian Aikido' He's #2 (between Tom Baker at 1, and David Tennant at 3) on my personal list... I agree w/ you on Benton's combat capabilities: There were women in my Krav Maga class who'd own his butt!

  • April 11, 2012, 2:02 p.m. CST

    @obijuan - Qui Quae Quod? Really? OK - I'm Definitely sold.

    by Perigee

    I like clever tidbits like that tossed in! The day before last, I was nosing through episodes (to see if they could be 4edited to 45min per arc - idle curiousity), and I happened to (start) to catch one that was centered around a small island. It started with The Doctor visiting The Master imprisoned. I guess it may have been the one right after this one. I really do like the relationships in these. But, of course, as far as I had viewed, it was still a bunch of The Doctor going places and saying things.

  • April 11, 2012, 3:45 p.m. CST

    Arrived in my inbox, had to share...

    by Mister Vertue Little things like this never cease to amuse me.

  • 1) I don't drink coffee, so, I would never go into a Starbuck's. 2) As a fan of "Person Of Interest", I would have stopped to watch the filming of that show.

  •'s entertainment section just put up 10 new pics of the NYC location shooting, mostly behind-the scenes shots.

  • April 11, 2012, 9:06 p.m. CST

    Poor Arthur Darvill - Rory-ed again.

    by Perigee

    I wouldn't wonder that he's glad to be off the show just to be out from under The Doctor's shadow 24/7... The silly girl... ~and then I think Arthur thought I only wanted a picture with Matt cause he was like on the side like kicking his feet around with his hands in his pockets so I was just like “you too, Arthur!” and he looked up from the ground like the cutest puppy and he looked so taken aback and while he was walking over to take the picture I said “I love your band!” and he looked so surprised and happy that I know his band and I acknowledged his existence and omg he’s such a puppy I can’t ~ No telling what she can't though. My soul bleeds for the English language wielded by an American teenager...

  • April 12, 2012, 2:55 a.m. CST

    I loved her English

    by veteran_of_mu

    Sincerity trumps style every time. Very cool.

  • April 12, 2012, 4:49 a.m. CST

    caractacuspotts On Coffee

    by gotilk

    That was truly fascinating, and I may actually take you up on that one day. In the meantime, I will attempt to mail-order some of this magic that you describe. Thank you, sir.

  • April 12, 2012, 5:13 a.m. CST

    Missed you all..... TV viewings.. and a new video.

    by gotilk

    I discovered annotations made easy in Scrivener, my writing program of choice at the moment, and I am going wild with detail, detours and distractions. (yes, the 3Ds) I also re-watched the BBC's wonderful adaptation of Great Expectations on PBS. Was just as gripping as the first viewing. I hope some of the talent on display in that program will show up here and there in Who (and Sherlock of course), as everyone involved was superb. Not as convinced with the Mystery of Edwin Drood (did I get the name right?). It just doesn't look as good based on an attempt to get through episode one. I'm going to give Downton Titanic a try tomorrow. Anyone see that? I've heard both good and bad word on that one. Opinions? The always brilliant Kelvington (who used to post in talkback long ago) posted a video I thought was of note. The First Question - Doctor Who? It is a wonderful little collection of clips featuring various Doctors, with quite a few McCoy moments, which is always nice to see for a change. Good moments, too. All set to Bear McReary's (spell?) interpretation of All Along The Watchtower, arranged and recorded for BSG originally. It's a nice fit. I miss you all, and I hope you have a great Thursday. Be well, see you Friday.

  • April 12, 2012, 5:20 a.m. CST

    MOV, that story was adorable.

    by gotilk

    The way she described Darvill as a puppy was hilarious.

  • April 12, 2012, 5:24 a.m. CST

    Aaaand... MELTMAN, with the power to....

    by gotilk


  • April 12, 2012, 9:32 a.m. CST


    by DoctorTom

    Apparently Alex Kingston is also in NYC for filming of the fifth Doctor Who episode. It does make sense to have River in the last episode with the Ponds. We'll just have to see if she shows up in episodes after that.

  • April 12, 2012, 10:36 a.m. CST

    I always liked Harry Sullivan

    by DoctorTom

    It's a shame that his final show was as an android in The Android Invasion. He (and Benton) deserved a story that gave them something meaningful to do to go out with. It wouldn't have had to be a dramatic death or something, just one little bit for them would have been good enough.

  • April 12, 2012, 10:47 a.m. CST

    Harry Sullivan Is An Imbecile!

    by veteran_of_mu

    But I sure miss him. I didn't even know he had passed on - died of a heart attack on his 42nd birthday back in the 1980s. Of all the companions, I really think I like him the best. He's not cute, not smart, not really all that handy to have around ... but a really good bloke. I'd have loved to see him return aged in a Tennant episode - just a bittersweet moment or two would have been so very nice. Damn me if Harry Sullivan doesn't make me quite misty.

  • April 12, 2012, 11:36 a.m. CST

    Harry Sullivan is a Purser!

    by Perigee

    At least, he will be tomorrow. I spent last night boning up on this Friday's Docback, and was floored to see Harry all nautical and firing off rifle rounds. He can't shoot any straighter than Benton can fight, sadly.

  • April 12, 2012, 11:46 a.m. CST

    Well, Perigee, to be fair

    by DoctorTom

    most characters in Doctor Who seem to have attended the Imperial Stormtrooper School of Marskmanship, not just Ian Marter's character in Carnival of Monsters. And, when they can hit the target, it's usually just to show that bullets don't bother the target.

  • There was a half-page article on Doctor Who filming in NYC in the Post, with a couple of pictures of Matt and Karen along with it.

  • April 12, 2012, 7:03 p.m. CST

    News from location reports making me sad

    by Perigee

    New York might hurt.

  • So close, yet so far away.

  • April 12, 2012, 7:22 p.m. CST

    axcel - know the feeling; live in S.J., work in Trenton

    by Perigee

    I Could have (shouldhaveshouldhaveshouldhave) taken a left at the light rail, and been on a train north in 5 minutes. Ended up at Grand Central, hung around for the night shoot that is supposed to start there around midnight. ~SIGH~ Work Sucks.