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It's The Friday Docback To 'The Rescue'!! DOCTOR WHO Story #11, A Chance To Win THE COMPLETE DAVID TENNANT YEARS DVD Set, And More!!


TARDIS control room, custom built from LEGO. Amazing detail shots HERE.  Contributed by Margaret! 




Merrick here...

...with a look at "The Rescue" - the 11th ever DOCTOR WHO, starring William Hartnell in a story which broadcast on 2 and 9 January in 1965.  






BBC Home Entertainment as graciously offered 1 (ONE) extremely cool DOCTOR WHO prize pack for a lucky AICN reader.  

Here's what's up for grabs...


Doctor Who: The Complete David Tennant Years

A beautifully re-packaged re-issuance of Seasons/Series 2-4 of the 2005+ DOCTOR WHO (Season/Series 1 starred Christopher Eccleston in the lead role).  This set also includes two animated DOCTOR WHO adventures with Tennant voicing the lead  ("The Infinite Quest" and and "Dreamland"),  and DVDs of the five DOCTOR WHO specials with which the Tennant's 10th Doctor exited the show.  These specials are, by the way, also available on Blu-Ray and denote DW's migration towards HD.  The other Tennant episodes in this set are not available on Blu-ray, so this is a fantastic opportunity to grab the whole Tennant shebang.  

Also included in the Gift Pack are The Eleventh Doctor’s Sonic Screwdriver (details HERE), The Eleven Doctors Micro-Figure Set (details HERE), and this 2011 San Diego Comic Con Exclusive TARDIS Bobble Head (which makes sound!) 

The image file above is named "tbobble."  A Gallifreyan rapper? 


What do you have to do to win this?  ‘Tis very simple, but PLEASE FOLLOW THESE GUIDELINES EXACTLY!

I’ve randomly pre-selected a time of day between now (11:41am CST USA  on December 9, 2011) and 12:01 pm (noon +1) CST USA on Thursday December 15, 2011.  Whoever’s (Whomever’s?) e-mail arrives closest to this time of day will receive this gift pack.  
I should note that past AICN contests have (literally) been determined by one second.  I should also note that I’ve NEVER seen two contest entries arrive during the same second.  
YOUR SUBJECT LINE must include this exact phrase: WHO, WHO, WHO!  MERRY CHRISTMAS!  Any deviation from this subject line will likely result in my not seeing your entry, and/or your summary disqualification.  
IN YOUR MESSAGE: include your full name and mailing address.  This is to expedite prize shipment only - all entries will be quickly deleted once a recipient is selected.  No Spam lists, mailing lists, etc.
BE SURE TO E-MAIL ME FROM AN ACTIVE AND FREQUENTLY CHECKED ACCOUNT.  If I need to get in touch with you, I won’t spend much time chasing you down and will move on to the next closest entry.  
This particular contest is available to North American readers only.  
You can enter up to 10 (TEN) time per day, and yes I'll confirm the number of time you entered on the pre-selected ("winning") day.  If you enter more than that?  All of your entries for that day will be immediately discarded.  
I'll announce the recipient of the prize pack in next week's Docback (unless the recipient specifically requests that I do not do this-  let me know in your entries).
The contest is open now!  Have fun, best of luck, and wishing you the happiest of Holidays./...

A huge thanks to BBC DVD for both providing these gifts and handling fulfillment for  this awesome opportunity.  




In case you missed it earlier this the week, BBC has brought online a short prequel to the "The Doctor, The Widow and the Wardrobe."  This sets up the forthcoming Christmas Special which airs December 25 at 7pm on BBC One, and  9pm ET/PT  on BBC America.

A Docback for the Christmas Special will go online Friday December 23.  





This week we set out to discuss DOCTOR WHO, but end up taking substantial (and less focused than usual) detours towards the films of Manahem Golan and Yoram Globus  (i.e. Canon Films), the productions of Alexander and Ilya Salkind (SUPERMAN: THE MOVIE, SANTA CLAUS: THE MOVIE), and mull our controversial assertion that the Richard Donner Cut of SUPERMAN II (HERE in U.S., HERE in U.K.) is superior to the Richard Lester version which released into theaters.  We finally circle clumsily back to WHO, discussing this bizarroverse iteration of K-9 (available HERE)...


You can download the newest WHOTININNIES HERE, while past installments can be had HERE.  And, really, in how many podcasts will you learn about the greatness of a man called Boogaloo Shrimp?  




Per a BBC Press Release:  


Doctor Who: The Eternity Clock will be the first of a series of Doctor Who console games developed by BBC Worldwide Digital Entertainment and Games marking a significant movement into gaming for this business. Two further Doctor Who console game titles are planned to follow this release with details to be announced next year.
Doctor Who: The Eternity Clock will immerse gamers in the universe of Doctor Who, allowing them to take on the role of the Doctor and River Song as they travel across time and space to save the Earth. Gamers must learn to master the complexities of time travel with exceptional time based game play, changes made in one time will impact another creating multiple possibilities and challenging players to solve puzzles across the centuries.
A wholly new storyline has been developed especially for this new Doctor Who console game franchise, written in collaboration with the BBC Wales team. Photo-real graphics, television quality scenes and highly realistic characters will bring the world of Doctor Who to life immersing fans completely in the twists and turns of an action filled plot. The stars of the series Matt Smith (the Doctor) and Alex Kingston (River Song) have recorded full voiceovers for their characters in Doctor Who: The Eternity Clock and motion capture has been used to create in-game characters that are incredibly realistic providing the ultimate Doctor Who gaming experience.
The DOCTOR WHO universe is, clearly, ripe with potential for video gaming.  I'm extremely curious to see how these projects shake out, but also cautious.  NOT because of the talent realizing these particular games - but because TV/movie-to-game adaptations are frequently extremely misguided, uninventive, and inadequate.  Again, I'm speaking about a general concern here-  not necessarily addressing these forthcoming DW games, of which I've yet to see a single moment.  
I've recently been playing the LEGO games with my 4 year old (BATMAN, PIRATES OF THE CARIBBEAN, INDIANA JONES, and STAR WARS) and LOVED them - so much accessibility and clarity of adaptation, yet so much cleverness.  I'd be orgasmically excited should LEGO ever lience out a DOCTOR WHO game.  This possibility is not terribly likely, I should think, but a guy can hope...can't he?  
Here's a teaser for DOCTOR WHO: THE ETERNITY CLOCK...






"The Rescue" 




Scripted by  David Whitaker, the story finds the Doctor (William Hartnell), and companions Ian (William Russell) and Barbara (Jacqueline Hill), arriving on planet Dido (not “Dildo,” which is what I erroneously saw when glancing at this story’s DVD case) and quickly discovering the wreckage of a crashed spaceship from Earth.  
Amidst the debris, a young girl named Vicki (Maureen O’Brien) and an injured man named Bennett (Ray Barrett) are struggling to survive and awaiting a rescue vessel.  They’re pressured by an indigenous  lifeform named Koquillion, and Vicki is being strongly dissuaded from leaving the immediate area due to potential danger from the planet’s native inhabitants. 
This story doesn’t play well for the Doctor - he’s been to Dido before and word of its people’s evidently dangerous nature doesn’t jibe with his previous experiences here. Are Dido’s inhabitants truly threatening Bennett and Vicki, or is the danger they face altogether different in nature?  And if it is, how many have already been imperiled...and what horrors could lie ahead?  
While the specific plot line of “The Rescue” doesn’t contribute hugely to DOCTOR WHO’s overall mythology, and the episode’s purpose is clearly to serve as an introduction to companion-to-be Vicki, several mechanical elements introduced here which would eventually become significant components in the WHOverse’s overall functionality.  
For example, this is the first episode in which the Doctor alludes to having previously visited the story’s location (i.e the planet Dido) - a device which would be utilized, and useful, time and time again in the coming years.  
“The Rescue” also represents the first deployment of the TARDIS’ iconic grinding sound over exterior shots of the vessel materializing/dematerializing.  Previously, this sound was heard only in interior sequences - external footage of arrivals and departures were accompanied with a very slow fade in/fade out of the TARDIS general systems “hum,” but never the signature grind...until now.  
As alluded above, this is also the first time a “companion” was invited to join the Doctor (on screen, at least).  Ian and Barbara didn’t intend to accompany the Doctor and Susan on their journey in the show’s opener, although it’s reasonable to assume that the Doctor asked his granddaughter Susan - who he ultimately ditched on future Earth ion the conclusion of the story preceding this  ("The Dalek Invasion of Earth") - to join him before we first met the duo in “An Unearthly Child.”  At the very least, it’s a safe bet she didn’t resist joining her “grandfather,” otherwise the Doctor would be nothing more than a creepy and possibly pervy old kidnaper. Which is, of course, not the case.  The new companion we’re discussing in this instance is Vicki.
Given that “The Rescue” is only two parts long, there’s not a great deal of story mechanics to dissect this time around.  The “kept woman” motif in which we initially find Vicki ensnared doesn’t play as poignantly or as intelligently as it might’ve, but the relative lameness of this conceit is effectively dispelled by an unexpected “What the Hell?  Did they really just do that?” sequence involving Barbara, Vicki, and a pit creature which looks like it could easily be an AICN staffer...
Whitaker and director Christopher Barry maintain a brisk pace throughout the proceedings, injecting a few new effects into the WHOVerse that we’d likely take for granted today, although they represented a tricky new approach at the time.  These shots work surprisingly well, this establishing shot of Ian and Barbara discovering Vicki’s wrecked ship being one example...
Without a great deal of meat to chew on, the whole of “The Rescue” could’ve easily passed as roundly unmemorable and utterly vaporous save for Vicki’s inclusion.  However, the story’s final ten minutes or so are conveyed with both visual flare and dramatic gravity - brining us one of our most pointed glimpses to date of the Doctor in his  ‘Don’t fuck with me, I’m admonishing a villain!’ mode...followed by a lovely and understated sequence in which the Doctor invites Vicki to join him on his journey.  It’s shot in considerable darkness outside of the TARDIS, and chiefly illuminated by the slowly pulsing lantern atop the craft.  Smart, simple, and classy. 
Generally lightweight but never disagreeable fare, “The Rescue” cheekily  concludes with...literally...a cliffhanger segueing us into “The Romans,” which we’ll take a look at next week.


"The Romans" (Hartnell, Story #12) 

(available HERE in the U.S. and HERE in the U.K.) 







"The Impossible Astronaut"

"Day of the Moon"

"The Curse of the Black Spot"

"The Doctor's Wife"

"The Rebel Flesh"

"The Almost People"

"A Good Man Goes To War"

"Let's Kill Hitler"

"Night Terrors"




"An Unearthly Child" (Story #1)

"The Daleks" (Story #2)

"The Edge of Destruction" (Story #3)

"Marco Polo" (Story #4)

"The Keys of Marinus(Story #5)

"The Aztecs" (Story #6)

"The Sensorites" (Story #7)

"The Reign of Terror" (Story #8)

"Planet of Giants" (Story #9) 

"The Dalek Invasion of Earth" (Story #10)

"The Gunfighters" (Story #25)

"The Colony in Space" (Story #58) 

"Day of the Daleks" (Story #60) + Preview of the DotD Special Edition

"The Talons of Weng-Chiang" (Story #91)

"The Sun Makers(Story #95)

"The Awakening" (Story #131)

"Frontios(Story #132)

"Time and the Rani" (Story #144)

"Paradise Towers" (Story #145) + New WHOvian Documentary / Newsbits


Merrick's Personal Journey With The Doctor (How Merrick Got Hooked On DOCTOR WHO)

DOCTOR WHO Title Sequences & DW At Comic-Con 2011

"The Crash of the Elysium" (Manchester version - interactive DOCTOR WHO adventure)

Why Eccleston Left, Here Comes Caroline Skinner, And Season/Series Six Part 1 on Blu-Ray And DVD

New Trailer For Season/Series Six Part 2




AICN's Friday DOCTOR WHO Talkbacks - aka "Docbacks"  - operate on a different set of standards than other AICN Talkbacks.  These standards developed quickly and naturally, and we intend to preserve them.  Accordingly, please take a moment to note a few guidelines which should help proceedings move along smoothly and pleasantly:  
1) a Docback should be about completely open and free discourse regarding all things WHO (with, obviously, some variation on subject matter from time to time - the real world intervenes, discussions of other shows are inevitable, etc.)... 

2) matters of SPOILAGE should be handled with thoughtful consideration and sensitivity.  Posts containing SPOILERS should clearly state that a SPOILER exists in its topic/headline and should never state the spoiler itself . "** SPOILER ** Regarding Rory" is OK, for example.  "** SPOILER ** Battle of Zarathustra" is fine as well.  "**SPOILER** Why did everyone die?"  Is NOT good.  

And, above all... 

3) converse, agree, disagree, and question as much as you want - but the freedom to do so is NOT a license to be rude, crass, disrespectful, or uncivilized in any way.  Not remaining courteous and civil, as well as TROLLING or undertaking sensational efforts to ignite controversy, will result in banning.  Lack of courtesy may receive one (1) warning before a ban is instigated.  Obvious Trolling or Spamming will result in summary banning with no warning.  One word posts intended to bump-up any Docback's figures on AICN's "Top Talkbacks" sidebar will be considered actionable Spam - they not only complicate efforts to access Docbacks from mobile devices, but impede readers' abilities to follow or engage in flowing conversation. 
In short, it's easy.  Be excellent to each other.  Now party on...
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  • Dec. 9, 2011, 11:47 a.m. CST

    This contest is nice -- though I have the whole set already

    by HornOrSilk

    Alas. But for someone who doesn't, it is a nice one!

  • Dec. 9, 2011, 11:49 a.m. CST

    The Rescue - yeah, it's a bit short

    by HornOrSilk

    But it does do what it needed: bring in a new companion for the Doctor. The Romans is one of my favorite surviving First Doctor stories. It's a great comic episode, and some surprising things happen in it. I will talk about them next week. But as for the Rescue, it really does show how far the Doctor has progressed from "An Unearthly Child." As you say -- now he invites companions, he sees their value!

  • Dec. 9, 2011, 11:58 a.m. CST

    Hello, Docbackers!

    by DoctorTom

    new Whotininnies! Yaay! I'm sure Gotilk will be as pleased as I am about that! The Rescue - definitely a strange thing. At times it seems to want to play like a murder mystery where you have exactly one suspect. Maybe Moffat's going to bring back Koquillion for the new series with someone else wearing the costume...I doubt that this is the returning baddie that we're expecting, though (although, in deference to Caractuspotts I'll give him a HAT here where we find out that the new Koquillion costume is actually being worn by the Dream Lord).

  • Dec. 9, 2011, 12:11 p.m. CST

    I wish I was in North America

    by Ithrat Cordwallis

    as then I would enter the current DVD competition. That said, does the box set come with David Tennant actually in it? If not I'm not interested... Well, ho-de-ho, another serial I've not seen yet- will try and find it this weekend and maybe I'll have something to add early next week. I'm actually still very sketchy on 60s Who and had no idea Koquillion was in this - I only knew him / her / it as a user on Gallifrey Base... And I've still not got anything to say about the podcasts; in between sleeping, eating and writing DW slash drabbles (look, I've been a bit unwell), I still haven't listened to 'em all yet. But this weekend; have computer, will travel. That's the plan, anyhow. :) Oh, and hello docbackers.

  • Dec. 9, 2011, 12:13 p.m. CST

    Speaking of the Doctor and Superman

    by superhero

    Did this a while ago...

  • Dec. 9, 2011, 12:14 p.m. CST

    Oh...and I like the Lester cut more than the Donner cut...

    by superhero

    I know, it's just me...:O)

  • Dec. 9, 2011, 12:15 p.m. CST


    by Merrick

    Actually, most people seem to prefer the Lester version. :-(

  • Dec. 9, 2011, 12:24 p.m. CST

    Re: Supes, the Lester cut was great fun when I was six

    by Ithrat Cordwallis

    And it's still great fun today. The Donner cut, whilst perfectly fine, is missing too much footage for it to work properly, and doesn't adhere to its own logic; the Lester one doesn't suffer from that problem as it never pretended to have much logic in the first place. Also, the Donner cut no longer has Anthony Sher in it - this am the not good thing. Right, now we need David Yates to be fired from that forthcoming Dr. Who movie so a few years down the line we can have similar discussions...

  • Dec. 9, 2011, 12:33 p.m. CST

    "The volume was turned down" - priceless!

    by DoctorTom

    needless to say, I'm starting to listen to the podcast. I'm really enjoying the bickering at the start.

  • Dec. 9, 2011, 12:36 p.m. CST

    I think the Lester cut is still fun...

    by superhero

    I showed the opening scene (The Eiffel Tower sequence) to my five year old daughter a few weeks back and she loved it. I have to say...I still enjoyed it as well. Paris held hostage by a nuclear bomb? That's a way to start a movie! And I like the Niagra falls stuff as well. Lois jumping out of the Daily Planet window just seems insane to me in the Donner Cut. Especially since she doesn't have much to go on with her Superman is Clark theory at that point in the Donner Cut. Of course the kid in Kansas with the British accent in the Lester cut does leave one to scratch their head and go...huh? :O)

  • Dec. 9, 2011, 12:46 p.m. CST

    C'mon! Who doesn't remember "Out of this World"???

    by superhero

    That was one of the worst shows on '80's TV ever...along with Small Wonder. Had a cute lead actress though...met her once.

  • Dec. 9, 2011, 12:54 p.m. CST

    What I didn't like about the end of the Donner version

    by HornOrSilk

    Saw it before with Superman I.

  • Dec. 9, 2011, 12:56 p.m. CST

    I don't.

    by DoctorTom

    Ironically, I saw your statement just as I hit that part of the podcast. Now I'm picturing Doug McClure instead of Mark McClure thanks to the podcast.

  • Dec. 9, 2011, 1:04 p.m. CST

    out of this world

    by Merrick

    I have no memory of it whatsoever. It was aired in syndication, so perhaps my region missed it somehow, or simply buried it. It's also likely I was too busy watching considerably more manly shows, like ALF. OUT OF THIS WORLD's title sequence... ...uses stock footage from Glen A. Larson's BUCK ROGERS IN THE 25th CENTURY series, which pisses me off as I love that show, as misguided as it invariably was.

  • Dec. 9, 2011, 1:14 p.m. CST

    I only barely remember Out of this World

    by HornOrSilk

    But I can't remember more than this is something I have seen sometime, probably on syndication, a long time ago, in a galaxy... well, in this galaxy.

  • Dec. 9, 2011, 1:16 p.m. CST

    Buck Rogers

    by HornOrSilk

    Merrick I agree with you Buck. It is something I can easily watch when I am bored and dead tired and need something entertaining...

  • Dec. 9, 2011, 1:18 p.m. CST

    Fun podcast so far, Gotilk will be happy!

    by DoctorTom

    *SPOILERS* The Gotilk Memorial Fart Machine makes an appearance soundboard though (yet)

  • probably because Glen Larson had gotten his grubby little protuberances on it. I do remember being in grad school when his Battlestar Galactica came on. We all died laughing when one of the crew at his helm told Adama *60 microns and closing* - we were all *boy, that ship's really close!*. Then, a few minutes later the guy pipes up again *30 microns and closing*, bringing on another hail of laughter. *Boy that ship's really slow!* *What's the ship using to move, Brownian motion?*

  • Dec. 9, 2011, 1:24 p.m. CST

    Y'know...Evie's dad in Out of this World...

    by superhero

    could easily be any of Tony Manero's buds from Saturday Night Fever. Being that the actress that was the mom in Out of this World played the chick whop eventually gets gang banged in the back of the car. Could one of those guys actually been an alien??? Talk about a crossover!!!!

  • Dec. 9, 2011, 1:28 p.m. CST

    Of course, when I was growing up

    by DoctorTom

    one of the UHF stations (yes, there was a difference between UHF and VHF stations, and this was back in the days when dinosaurs roamed the earth and television signals were beamed out in a manner that didn't involve using satellites.....hmmm, where was I? but I digress) Anyway, one of the UHF stations would broadcast the old Buck Rogers serials (as well as the old Buster Crabbe Flash Gordon serials). I actually preferred these. Twiki was an obvious cash in on the Stars Wars cute robot idea. The only cute robot outside of Star Wars that's worth watching is K9 (and not the new Australian version either).

  • Dec. 9, 2011, 1:30 p.m. CST

    For some reason, that redesign of K9 pictured above

    by DoctorTom

    offends me more than the thought of David Yates directing a Who reboot movie, and I'm definitely on Team Moffet's side for that.

  • Dec. 9, 2011, 1:30 p.m. CST

    Good podcast, guys!

    by DoctorTom

    It always brings a smile to my face listening to Whotininnies episodes.

  • Dec. 9, 2011, 1:34 p.m. CST

    The Lester cut

    by DoctorTom

    I agree that all the camp kept creeping in. I'm not sure if that's just Lester, or if it's the Salkinds instructing him to camp it up more. I keep thinking of the Superman movie just after it, where they get Richard Pryor for the movie, and when he tries to make synthetic kryponite he uses tobacco as a replacement for an ingredient he can't identify....definitely going further down the camp road. I will credit the Salkinds though in that they never had a rubber SuperArmor costume with Supernipples, so Schumaker probably wins the camp-off contest.

  • Dec. 9, 2011, 2:39 p.m. CST


    by HornOrSilk

    I've heard the series is bad... but I don't know, never saw it.

  • Dec. 9, 2011, 2:47 p.m. CST

    Hey guys!! Don't diss the Evie!!

    by s0l

    I had a crush on Maureen Flannigan in that show when it was first shown in the UK^_~ Seen her in a couple of bit parts on TV recently! she's still got it .... Drat I'll be humming "Would you like to swing on a star" all night now!!!

  • Dec. 9, 2011, 2:48 p.m. CST

    I have a friend who would FLIP for that set

    by tangcameo

    A friend of mine is having a sucking Christmas because she tried to do good and its only left her worse off. She LOVES 10th Doctor/Tennant. If I win this (ya right, who am I kidding) I'm forwarding it right to her (except maybe the tbobble). It would blow her mind.

  • Dec. 9, 2011, 2:52 p.m. CST

    Oh, and the Donner Cut

    by HornOrSilk

    I own on HD-DVD. Yeah, I know.

  • Dec. 9, 2011, 2:53 p.m. CST

    Shada is the Donner's Cut of Doctor Who

    by HornOrSilk

    Sadly, it's still not getting released in full as it could be... :(

  • Dec. 9, 2011, 2:55 p.m. CST

    SO much to say!!

    by gotilk

    Okay, one at a time.... First off, my mom is out of the woods and HOME again!!! Yay!! No-one expected this, we all were preparing our goodbyes and getting ready for loss. That mom of mine is a tough old cookie. It's going to take a LOT to take her down. Here she is with a failing heart, failed kidneys, diabetes.... and today she walked, smiled, couldn't stop talking (and made perfect sense after weeks of dementia, sometimes into glossolalia) and requested I prepare steak for her, which I will. It will be the best and most fun steak to prepare of my life. I must apologize for my vagueness before. I don't know quite why I was holding information back. I guess I was too close to it all and had spent about 8 hours a day every day for a week re-explaining the situation to relatives/friends. And we have had so many close calls in the past, some part of me felt as though all the talk of it was jinxing her. It started with them telling us to prepare for the worst. Then telling us to prepare for possible permanent dementia. Then the neurologist told us to expect her to go back to *baseline*. Now... she's looking and sounding better than before she went in. The woman is astounding and I hope I got the right genes from her. Well, except the diabetes thing... whew. I just want to say thanks for the kind thoughts and messages. Really helped during some dark moments. You are truly a bunch of special human beings. And this is an equally special place because of that. Cheers!

  • Dec. 9, 2011, 2:56 p.m. CST

    Whotininnies!!! Yay!!!

    by gotilk

    Okay, now a nearly perfect day is actually perfect. I'm sure I'll back back this evening to comment on it extensively. *crossing fingers for soundboard/fartmachine.*

  • Dec. 9, 2011, 2:57 p.m. CST

    That DVD set is NICE!

    by gotilk

    Especially those extra goodies. If I do not win, I must have!

  • Dec. 9, 2011, 2:58 p.m. CST

    Gotlik -- glad to hear about your mom

    by HornOrSilk

    That does happen! Good!

  • Dec. 9, 2011, 3:03 p.m. CST

    I've been talking to my friend about sculpting some updated

    by gotilk

    Whoniverse characters. He does a lot of sculpting and action figure customizing. Will post photos if I can finally talk him into doing an alternate Whoniverse Doctor with k-9. My thought has always been that if they do bring k-9 back, it should be a real dog. Australian Shepherd would be my choice. They are frighteningly smart and their eyes reflect that intelligence. Nothing goofy like telepathy or glowing eyes/machine sound effects. Just a totally realistic robotic dog capable of communicating using something along the lines of what the dogs in UP had.With the right voice it could be very, very entertaining. Then again, terriers are terribly funny dogs. I have rat terrier. I know. Still would be my second choice.

  • Dec. 9, 2011, 3:07 p.m. CST

    The Pit creature does bear a striking resemblance

    by gotilk

    to Quint. But then again I think I've only seen pictures of him as a hobbit.

  • Dec. 9, 2011, 3:08 p.m. CST

    Thanks hornorsilk!

    by gotilk

    She's going to be keeping me busy, but it's worth it.

  • Dec. 9, 2011, 3:11 p.m. CST


    by gotilk

    Good luck to your friend, I actually hope she gets it. I can probably afford it eventually. People who do good things deserve a break, and good news when things don't go their way. I know what it feels like to make the right choices and feel later as though I was not only unappreciated/un-rewarded... but almost punished. Best of luck to her.

  • Dec. 9, 2011, 3:13 p.m. CST


    by gotilk

    Had to read your spoilers. I couldn't help myself. But it doesn't ruin anything for me. Ken's reactions are worth the actual fart machine's weight in gold.

  • Dec. 9, 2011, 3:18 p.m. CST

    Community featured another short clip of

    by gotilk

    our second favorite time-traveler, Inspector Spacetime. It was an awful mixture of a Who Christmas special and the Star Wars Christmas special. It even featured a hologram of a crappy 80s band performing their latest hit. VERY funny. I really hope they don't cancel Community.

  • Dec. 9, 2011, 3:22 p.m. CST

    K9 must always be a tin dog

    by HornOrSilk


  • Dec. 9, 2011, 3:29 p.m. CST

    The Rescue **Minor Spoiler**

    by gotilk

    When the Doctor calls out for Susan, and of course she's not there.... kinda heartbreaking. Hartnell was a good actor, wasn't he?

  • Dec. 9, 2011, 3:29 p.m. CST

    that previous post should have said *spoilers*

    by gotilk

    I am SO sorry for not catching that.

  • Dec. 9, 2011, 3:30 p.m. CST


    by gotilk

    Yes, I know. Fun to think of though. I'm thinking of it just for the action figure thing. I won't be sending any letters endorsing it or anything. lol!! :)

  • Dec. 9, 2011, 3:31 p.m. CST

    I think The Rescue is on YouTube.

    by gotilk

    A quick search resulted in at least part 1. Not sure about the other part.

  • Dec. 9, 2011, 3:41 p.m. CST

    Gotilk, glad to hear that things are going well now!

    by DoctorTom

    Your mom's recovery sounds like the best Christmas present your family could get this year! I'm happy it's working out for you.

  • Dec. 9, 2011, 3:43 p.m. CST

    Gotilk - updated K9

    by DoctorTom

    If you do K9 looking like a normal dog except robotic, I wouldn't go with an Australian Shepherd. Based on the dogs my Mom has had, combined with the influence of Cowboy Bebop, I'd suggest going with a Welsh Corgi instead.

  • Dec. 9, 2011, 3:46 p.m. CST


    by gotilk

    OH Welsh Corgis are adorable, sweet, smart. Great dogs. Of course I don't think I've ever met a dog I didn't like. So I may not be the best judge. And thanks!

  • Dec. 9, 2011, 3:47 p.m. CST

    I'd agree with hornorsilk, though,

    by DoctorTom

    K9 really should be a tin dog. I'm not sure a tin looking replica of a regular breed of dog would work as well.

  • Dec. 9, 2011, 3:59 p.m. CST

    1 vote for the return of the soundboard

    by DoctorTom

    With the fart machine continuing in Whotininnies, it just seems appropriate to continue with the Eccleston "would you mind not farting" clip. I suspect that Gotilk will provide a second vote for this. :)

  • Dec. 9, 2011, 4:04 p.m. CST

    I have also mispaced tea.

    by gotilk

    It's not pretty. It's a 3 bedroom house, not many places to lose it. I'm not ashamed though! I have tea-misplacers pride.

  • Dec. 9, 2011, 4:05 p.m. CST

    Yeah, a tin dog that actually LOOKED more like a real dog

    by gotilk

    would be really strange looking. Almost creepy I'd say.

  • Dec. 9, 2011, 4:05 p.m. CST

    doctortom yes I second that.

    by gotilk


  • Dec. 9, 2011, 4:13 p.m. CST

    Out of This World intro sequence

    by Mister Vertue

    I can't believe you're all talking about the intro sequence for this show and only mentioning the Buck Rogers footage! Can't you see what the aliens are wearing?! Please, somebody notice this and get back to me! You'll kick yourselves for not noticing sooner...

  • Dec. 9, 2011, 4:15 p.m. CST

    gotilk - sorry to hear that you've had rough times

    by Mister Vertue

    But glad to see that it has a happy ending, just in time for Christmas too. Dreams can come true at this time of year eh?

  • Dec. 9, 2011, 4:18 p.m. CST

    I have early memories of Koquillion

    by Mister Vertue

    And I've always liked the design. It would be nice to see it again, but I doubt we ever will.

  • Dec. 9, 2011, 4:20 p.m. CST

    Sherlock series 2 back on January 1st!

    by Mister Vertue

    You probably already knew that, but figured I'd type it anyway for the one or two that didn't know yet. What a wonderful Christmas and New Year we have coming up. I can't wait!

  • Dec. 9, 2011, 4:39 p.m. CST

    You mean the Time Lord outfits?

    by HornOrSilk

    Well, I only see the costumes in a dark blur but they look like something out of Gallifrey...

  • Dec. 9, 2011, 4:58 p.m. CST


    by gotilk

    Thanks! And Woo-Hoo! More Sherlock!

  • Dec. 9, 2011, 5:14 p.m. CST


    by Merrick

    Didn't notice the announcement until I'd already posted "The Rescue" Docback - will mention next week. Roll call: who's still interested in a Lockback?

  • Dec. 9, 2011, 5:21 p.m. CST

    Yes but no discussions about Will Smith

    by tangcameo

    Don't want a (Han)cockback

  • Dec. 9, 2011, 5:29 p.m. CST


    by Ken Plume

    Glad to hear everything is looking up... And thank you for listening. And no soundboard. Not ever. EVER.

  • Dec. 9, 2011, 5:39 p.m. CST


    by Merrick

    Looking into possibilities of creating one using Garage Band & my keyboard. Finding web based soundboards a bit cumbersome in terms of responsiveness and navigation.

  • Dec. 9, 2011, 5:45 p.m. CST

    Yes, I'm into Sherlock, too... however

    by HornOrSilk

    The first one will have to have a comparison between RTD and Sherlock, once again, I fear..

  • Dec. 9, 2011, 5:45 p.m. CST

    Er why did I type RTD

    by HornOrSilk

    RDJ. There.

  • Dec. 9, 2011, 6:03 p.m. CST

    Soundboard. Glen.

    by Ken Plume

    All you will be doing is making it more difficult to prepare the podcast, because I will edit out every single little keystroked aural abomination you may initiate. Do not task me, Oliver.

  • Dec. 9, 2011, 6:22 p.m. CST


    by Merrick

    I'm sure you're up to the challenge. Especially when the soundboard fires off while we're talking - that editing oughta help us trim running time considerably!

  • Dec. 9, 2011, 7:15 p.m. CST


    by Terry

    I am so happy to hear that your mom is home and doing well! I really hope everything continues to improve for you and her :) I bet that steak will be delicious.....

  • Dec. 9, 2011, 7:16 p.m. CST

    Hey everyone.

    by Terry

  • Dec. 9, 2011, 7:18 p.m. CST

    Damn enter key. Always where you least expect it

    by Terry

    Anyways, sorry I have not been around. I lost one of my dogs last week and honestly have not felt at all like doing much of anything. Hope you are all doing well and looking forward to the Christmas Special as I am. Loved the prequel. Can't wait to see how the Moff gets him out of this one.

  • Dec. 9, 2011, 7:25 p.m. CST

    phineas999 -- sorry about your loss, too

    by HornOrSilk

    It can be tough.

  • Dec. 9, 2011, 7:26 p.m. CST

    I'd be up for Lockbacks

    by DoctorTom

    If you wanted, you could combine the Lockback and Docbacks for the three weeks in January that we'll have Sherlock.

  • Dec. 9, 2011, 7:33 p.m. CST

    hornorsilk and Sherlock

    by Terry

    Thank you my friend. I appreciate it. I really need to start watching Sherlock. If I enjoy it half as much as Who, I will have something to help fill the gaps between New Who and Top Gear Eps.

  • Dec. 9, 2011, 7:34 p.m. CST

    No Amy and Rory?

    by Terry

    As I said earlier, I've not been online much lately. Is it true that Amy and Rory are going to have much reduced roles in the future? That would be very disappointing if true.

  • Dec. 9, 2011, 7:57 p.m. CST


    by gotilk

    Just wanted you to know that your dedication to finding and utilizing the latest and greatest in soundboard technology is greatly appreciated. No less than the best for Whotininnies!

  • Dec. 9, 2011, 8 p.m. CST


    by gotilk

    I'm so sorry for your loss. If I lost one of my girls.... I have no idea what I'd do. What type of dog was yours? An adoption?

  • Dec. 9, 2011, 8:02 p.m. CST

    If the fart machine is edited out...

    by gotilk

    I'll just get my own and randomly break electronic wind during the podcast. But then we wouldn't get Ken's hilarious reactions. How do you turn a pregnant, frustrated pause into a sound clip? lol

  • Dec. 9, 2011, 8:22 p.m. CST


    by Terry

    Thank you! I appreciate the kind thoughts. Duffy was a rescue dog. He was a cute little honey sable Sheltie that wasn't taken very good care of by his former owner. I had him for 11 years and he was a wonderful companion and friend. My other dog is another Sheltie and is the same age as Duffy was. Thankfully she is in wonderful health. How's your Mom doing tonight? Did she enjoy her steak? I am thrilled she is with you for the Holidays. :)

  • Dec. 9, 2011, 8:25 p.m. CST

    Who needs an electronic fart machine?

    by Terry

    I've always been a fan of the practical effects as opposed to electronic or CGI replacements. Merrick, your way forward is clear.Taco Bell run before the Whotininne! Your way back will probably not be as clear, or fresh, but the things we do for our art.....

  • Dec. 9, 2011, 8:30 p.m. CST


    by Terry

    What kind do you have? Isn't it amazing how important they become to you?

  • Dec. 9, 2011, 9:23 p.m. CST

    Oh...THAT planet DIDO...

    by gotilk

    Just a few thousand miles away from planet Adele. But pretty far from planet LilyAllen. Apologies. Resistance is low.

  • Dec. 9, 2011, 9:36 p.m. CST


    by gotilk

    Sounds like a wonderful dog. One of my *girls* is a Rotty/Shepherd mix, also a rescued dog. She's extremely smart, loveable, funny, beautiful. Just a fantastic dog. Her name is Halima, and she's officially my niece's dog but has been living with me since day one. I imag..... I mean HOPE I am stuck with her forever. Yes, mom and dad (and I) enjoyed the steak! It was a nearly 2 inch cut rib-eye. Let it sit with kosher salt for about 90 min in the fridge. Took it out, let it reach nearly room temp, then rinsed all the salt off. After drying it completely, I rubbed some olive oil on it, placed it on each side in a hot pan (with no oil in the pan itself) 2 min each side. Then with an almost literal SLAB of butter on each side I broiled it for 10 min on low (each side). It ended up pretty rare so I put it back in for about 3 min each side. While it was cooking I placed some Korr au jus mix into the pan I cooked the steak in, added about a cup of water, a small pat of butter (yeah butter overkill, but it works miracles), some extra fresh ground black pepper, and after some stirring let that sit on low heat until it was almost syrup while the meat broiled. I served it with buttered (and nearly browned) green beans with white wine vinegar on the side and fresh cole slaw. It was a comfort food triumph. And the au jus over the steak was some of the best au jus I've ever made as well. It was better than any steak I've had anywhere, even Ruth's Chris Steakhouse. It was astounding. I'm not one to brag, but this one was a winner. I cannot even imagine how good it would have been if I'd let it sit with the kosher salt on it overnight, or even a couple of days. just... wow. And both of my parents LOVED it. We're doing it the same way again next week. I suggest anyone try it exactly that way and tell me what you think. It's so simple, and makes a cooking amateur like me look like a master chef.

  • Dec. 9, 2011, 9:40 p.m. CST

    Oh and my other dog is a rat terrier.

    by gotilk

    She's really my mom's, but she's family. She's getting older but still plays like a puppy. They are fun, smart dogs. Only issue is that they will try to eat ANYTHING. Including glass, concrete, wood, plastic, coins, any kind of metal (as long as it's sharp and dangerous), diabetes test strips that get trapped between their teeth (and then they will bite you when you try to help) and any number of dangerous, sharp or valuable small items in their path. Bad? Sure. Worth it? Every minute.

  • Dec. 9, 2011, 10:11 p.m. CST

    Greetings and Salutations

    by Kevin Bolinger

    How is everyone? Just checking in, busy editing alot of footage tonight, sorry. I really need to catch up on my Hartnell stories. Though at the moment I have been immersing myself in Tom Baker stories... :P

  • Dec. 9, 2011, 10:27 p.m. CST

    Damn Gotilk..

    by Terry

    I think I gained 5 pounds reading that! Sounds amazing. Personally, I am stuck on the "Me man, throw meat on fire" skill level for cooking. If we ever have a Docback get together, I will buy the steaks if you cook them. Your dogs sound amazing. The more quirks they have the better. My best time was when I had to watch my sister's dogs for a month. In total I had 5 shelties and a samoyed at the house. It was a zoo but I loved every minute of it. Letting them out to play was an absolute hoot to watch.

  • Dec. 10, 2011, 1:35 a.m. CST

    Lovely DocBack.

    by gotilk

    I'm just at the end of The Rescue (part 1) and about halfway through Whotininnies. A little at a time for both. Busy night. Loving The Rescue AND Whotininnies though.

  • Dec. 10, 2011, 1:36 a.m. CST

    darthdevious !!!

    by gotilk

    Should I be checking my youtube subscriptions soon for new stuff?

  • Dec. 10, 2011, 1:40 a.m. CST


    by gotilk

    You have a deal. I love cooking for others more than myself. It's almost like performing live and getting applause. I love watching the look on people's faces when they eat something I've made and they look like they're enjoying it. I'd really like to have maybe 3 or 4 dogs. At the end of a long day, there's nothing like the love you get from a dog that hasn't seen you all day. Or in the case of my dogs.... after being gone for 10 minutes... it's all the same for them. I cannot figure out if it's that they have no sense of time or if they are just over-filled with the capacity for love. I'm leaning toward the latter.

  • Dec. 10, 2011, 1:58 a.m. CST

    vicki is awesome...

    by Hideo Kojima

  • Dec. 10, 2011, 3:43 a.m. CST


    by ComicGuru

    K9 will also be available from all independent online shops as well including my own at but we don't do preorders we only put things up for sale when they are in stock. Way to go supporting independents. Sigh. Also K9 is a reasonably good Australian tv series not French and although its aimed at a much younger audience than Sarah Jane Smith it does maintain continuity with Doctor Who.

  • Dec. 10, 2011, 3:49 a.m. CST

    Amy and Rory

    by HornOrSilk

    We really don't know what role they will play in the next season. Personally, I am glad the Doctor will be able to have time without them. I like them, but I also think their story needs to change (and I think it will) to keep things fresh. Having new companions also helps keeps things fresh. Or having a new companion and a home base with Amy and Rory as the new UNIT would keep things fresh.

  • Dec. 10, 2011, 3:51 a.m. CST

    For example

    by HornOrSilk

    In my ideal series 7, we would have a three part sequence of what happens _one time_ when the Doctor picks up River for one of their nights out.

  • Dec. 10, 2011, 5:50 a.m. CST


    by gotilk

    Nice site, a little slow loading from here today but I like it and your blogger blog. The link you gave for your site didn't work though(you put .com instead of .uk), here's the correct link if anyone wants to visit: If it weren't so far away I'd stop by the shop. It looks good.

  • Dec. 10, 2011, 5:50 a.m. CST

    Good morning DocBackers!

    by gotilk

    Having a tiny bit of insomnia, not sure why. Have a great day, I'm heading back to bed.

  • Dec. 10, 2011, 7:14 a.m. CST

    Don't let the DreamLord find out gotilk

    by HornOrSilk

    Nor Freddy

  • Dec. 10, 2011, 9:19 a.m. CST


    by Merrick

    SO glad you're enjoying the podcast - your time, feedback, appreciation, and patience are deeply meaningful. As is your support and exaltation of fart machines and soundboards. Surely both rank high among the most sublime contributions to intelligent conversation on the Geekscape. NOTHING brings sharper focus and resonance to a conversation like cracking one off...

  • Dec. 10, 2011, 9:22 a.m. CST


    by Pogue__Mahone

    It seems forever since I've jumped aboard our DocBacks and I apologize. I've been working non stop the last month or two and when not working I've been helping my sister with her two year old triplets and spending lots of time with Mom. As most of you know, we lost my Dad a year ago so it's been a rocky year for our clan. I've pretty much become 'the man of the house' - not that I'm complaining in a million years - but it's left very little time for leisurely activities (which I'm trying to rectify)... I've popped in and read the DocBacks here and there but didn't want to get dragged into some awesome conversations as I knew I'd never be able to participate fully and that wouldn't be fair. I've kept in touch with some of my closer DocBack friends through the Book of Faces...but I've missed the rest of you tremendously. That will be fixed. It's taken me a month and a half to make it halfway through A Game of Thrones (The book...which is crazy as I'm a fast reader), I'm weeks behind in my Fringe watching and have JUST got caught up on The Walking Dead (WOW!)... I'm trying to find more 'Pogue Time' and this DocBack is something I've missed most. So be warned. I'm back!!!! Love ya's all! Thanks for being a small oasis that I could escape to (even when I wasn't jumping in) for the longest time! I appreciate it and think you all rock! And now? Off to work. Have a brilliant day, everyone!

  • Dec. 10, 2011, 9:26 a.m. CST


    by Pogue__Mahone

    I TOTALLY get what you mean about cooking for others! I had some friends over the other night and made an amazing curry with lentils. red, green and orange peppers, potato, onions and sun dried pears.... topped with yogurt and slivered almonds and fresh cilantro... first actual 'meal' I've cooked in weeks - other than my staple of soups and sandwiches which are quick and painless when I'm done work. Need less to say I was a hero. LOL... The best part was spending time with the people I love the most, though. Hell! I should have you all over for dinner at my place sometime! Hahahahaha!

  • Dec. 10, 2011, 9:48 a.m. CST


    by Merrick

    I used to have a Sheltie. Shelties are cool.

  • Dec. 10, 2011, 9:50 a.m. CST


    by Merrick

    Delighted to hear of your mom's upswing. Sending out strength and best wishes. Despite the weight of the matter, 'tis lovely you can be there for her. When my father passed away...I could've done *so* much better. But...alas...there are no do-overs in such situations. May your way ultimately be truer than mine was - already sounds like it is.

  • Dec. 10, 2011, 9:54 a.m. CST


    by Kevin Bolinger

    But of course! Uploaded 2 things between yesterday and early this morning, one for pure silliness :)

  • Dec. 10, 2011, 10:55 a.m. CST

    pogue -- you need to rewrite time

    by HornOrSilk

    Get yourself a TARDIS!

  • Dec. 10, 2011, 11:13 a.m. CST


    by Chris

    Glad to hear your mom is improving and that you can take care of her. On a separate note, that Lego Tardis is great. Good job

  • Dec. 10, 2011, 11:38 a.m. CST


    by DoctorTom

    Nice to see you back! I still need to read Game of Thrones myself, which is odd - I've read most of Martin's older stuff (Fevre Dream and Armageddon Rag are nice horror books). I keep telling myself I'll read it when I get a chance, but other books and media keep piling up to take my time. Right now I will probably have to satisfy myself with watching the series when it comes out on DVD.

  • Dec. 10, 2011, 11:41 a.m. CST


    by gotilk

    NICE to have you back!! Thanks! And there's nothing like a great curry. That's something I have not tried, much. I make a good curry chicken salad, not much to it. Yellow curry, green diced chiles, tomato, dried cranberries, touch of honey, chopped celery, and yes... canned chicken. But it's tasty. I seriously need to try the real deal someday soon. That boxed set of all the Game of Thrones books (so far) keep staring at me every time I visit the bookstores. What did you think, so far? They kind of frighten me because I know he's not finished, and he kind of looks like my brother in law right before he died.... I know... ... and I'm more concerned with him being okay than with him finishing the stories, but I can't get it out of my head. I just hope he's not as heavy a drinker.

  • Dec. 10, 2011, 11:41 a.m. CST


    by gotilk

    TO YOUTUBE then!

  • Dec. 10, 2011, 12:18 p.m. CST


    by gotilk

    Sorry about your father. I wish I could have done more for my father while he was still around, too. That's part of the story behind my commitment to mom. But he also moved himself so damned far away... that wasn't my doing. You can't (but I always will anyway) beat yourself up for it. I do not know a ton about my dad, but I DO know he used to love watching Who back in the Tom Baker years. And I recall connecting with him through that and other things sci-fi. He struggled with alcoholism and dreams far too large for the box alcoholism built around his life. He did die living where he wanted to be, in the high desert of Southern California. Not far , actually, from the Integratron... an iconic location for the UFO kook community. and I mean that in a loving way, they were truly nice people) Strange place. I got to know the daughter of the guy who built it, (I will always regret not taking up his daughter's request to transcribe her father's audio tapes) and spent a few lovely nights in the desert talking with my dad with about 8 or 9 of his neighbors, looking up at a sky full of stars nearly unpolluted by light. Stunning stuff. And it was heartwarming to know that my dad was beloved in his community. He spent his last days doing what he loved. Eating prime rib almost every night and talking about UFOs. But even still, I do wish I had spent more time with him in the intervening years. You don't get a do-over. Best you can do is just make sure you're there for the people in your life now, and balance things better than those who came before you.

  • Dec. 10, 2011, 12:59 p.m. CST


    by gotilk

    Watching your new videos and wanted to say they're fun AND love the holiday background.

  • Dec. 10, 2011, 1:06 p.m. CST

    Peter Reacts to The Doctor

    by gotilk Funny stuff, darthdevious.

  • Dec. 10, 2011, 4:47 p.m. CST

    The Rescue is a classic

    by sunspot_mike

    It was a great way to bring in a new companion and I thought that Koquillion was a pretty sweet bad guy. It wasn't that hard to figure out even when I first saw it as a twelve-year old, but I remember really enjoying the story, even with the black and white and 60's effects. I used to watch "Out of This World" out of some allegiance to anything remotely sci-fi on TV. I caught the Buck Rogers ships right away, but I never noticed the aliens with the Gallifreyan wardrobe though, awesome! And a Lockback would be excellent!

  • Dec. 10, 2011, 6:53 p.m. CST

    I enjoyed The Rescue a lot too.

    by gotilk

    Good to see you sunspot_mike. The Koquillion (spell?) fellow was truly despicable and the whole shebang had a truly otherworldly feel. The FX were surprisingly good, too. There was also a sort of sparse emptiness to the episode, and the scene at the end that Merrick mentions with just the TARDIS light flashing as the main light source really did lend great atmosphere to the moment. It made me wonder if the FX people were the kinds of folks who would stay after hours and keep working to get things right, or take work home with them. You get a sense at times with Who that it's the case, off and on over the years. The Mill is fantastic, but I just have to admire those old FX guys with the practical stuff and the trickery that really took some thought and real-world planning. I love the shot looking down from the caves into the valley at the crashed ship. I bet shots like that gave people chills back then. Hartnell's Doctor really did have an odd sense of humour , didn't he? I like it.

  • Dec. 10, 2011, 7:06 p.m. CST

    Anyone know how to make Orange Chicken lower sodium?

    by gotilk

    Yeah.... pretty much eat less OF it. lol. Well, we all know what they say... You can lead a diabetic, kidney malfunctioning, heart failure horse to water... But you can't make her drink, or not eat salty crap if she really is dead set on doing so. Or maybe it doesn't go like that. I kid, in a way. But I think I'll have to settle for a smaller portion compromise instead of being the food nazi. And I can't be mad at her for wanting a little food pleasure this far along in her disease. When we get older, the small pleasures get smaller and many simply go away completely. Bette Davis said it best: *Getting old isn't for sissies.* Those are my battles this evening. Maybe I'll just have to head to the store and buy another rib-eye steak. Even though I let it sit with a virtual mountain of kosher salt on it, that all gets washed off and it's actually pretty NON-salty as long as you don't slather it with au jus too much right before you eat it. Watching both of my parents get sick, and in one case die from their dietary and vice choices, it really gets me thinking. I don't want to go out like that. I guess I'm better off than some in my family. The rest of them became borderline obese by 28-29 years old. So far so good. I'm the only one who wears non-plus-size clothing. And yes I do bug them about it, kindly. *sigh* That's all for Gotilk's food report for the night. Hope you enjoyed it as much (or as little) as I did. ;) Have a great evening DocBackers! I Hope my boredom didn't cause anyone else to become bored.

  • Dec. 10, 2011, 10:33 p.m. CST

    About that Lego TARDIS

    by gotilk

    Wonderful! But are those wooden Legos? The supports look like wooden Legos. Or at least simulated. If those exist, that's great!

  • Dec. 10, 2011, 11:58 p.m. CST

    K-9 First appeared in 1930!! (not kidding)

    by gotilk

    Here's what happens this evening... I'm trying to figure out what fun is being had at BNAT. I find out one of the films is Just Imagine (1930), considered by some to be the first Hollywood sci-fi film. So I notice in the talkback that someone has seen it on YouTube. I look it up.... and sure enough, at about the 8min 15sec mark in part 2.... K-9 is introduced. Not kidding. A dog that's been oddly shaved to look sort of...... robotic I guess (badly) and a label on him with his name ... K-9!! I could not believe my eyes. See it for yourselves... Hilarious! On top of that, it's a VERY funny film with some really weird ideas about what the future WAS going to be like in 1980, through the eyes of some oddly misogynistic, proto-libertarian writers with some bizarre fears. *How I hate these modern women.* LOL How I wish I could be there, but I hope everyone there is having a blast. I just had to come back and share this little tidbit of unintentional Whostory. The film is in several parts on youtube and if you look on the right in the related videos you will see the other parts with the same type of filename, numbered accordingly. Part one is J30LA, two is J30LB, three J30LC, etc. So the truth is out! K-9 has NOT always been metal. (but he always will be, from now on) :-) Goodnight DocBackers. Looove ya.

  • Dec. 11, 2011, 12:47 a.m. CST

    HAT #821 - It Slices! It Dices! It Anneals!

    by veteran_of_mu

    We've seen a certain special effect three times on NuWho. First when Doc #9 walked between the fanblades. Then when Doc #11 was searching for Prisoner Zero. And most recently in LKH when the Doc was outmaneuvering River's murder attempts. It appears to be a workaround to Blinovitch in which the Doc ducks out of the current timeframe, takes care of business, then ducks back into the immediately following timeframe. Interleaving his experience with lots of spare time to plan and work out of band. This timeslicer effect seems a lot like HAT #750, the Quantum Rebasing idea. Except that it's Quantum time-slicing. Or, given the time-wimey nature of things, Quantum simulated-annealing. This might even explain something about how the Doc got himself out of the Pandorica ...

  • Dec. 11, 2011, 5:16 a.m. CST


    by Kevin Bolinger

    Why thankyou! The holiday background was made by a friend. He surprised me with it a few days ago :)

  • Loved Kinda (but was disappointed after all the jokes I had made about the title, that it's pronounced as 'kin-dah', and not the slang version of 'kind of' aka kinda. 'A new doctor who adventure on dvd... kinda') I thought Snakedance was pretty great to. Sad to hear Christopher Bailey quit writing after that. I would love if Moffat brought him back, let him do a third story about the Mara, and BRING BACK TEEGAN! WIth all the talk of whether or not they should do an 11 doctors, I have to say that watching all the interviews on the classic discs, it would actually be easier to bring back classic companions, as their having aged actually makes sense and would add to the story, like it did for Sarah Jane with 'school reunion'. Teegan, Nyssa, Turlow & Leela would be at the top of my list to bring back. Each was left off in such a way that their return bring potential story with them. Teegan: as mentioned above, do a return of the Mara Nyssa: The doctor returns to terminus and discovers she's still alive despite the odds to the contrary, working to treat the plague Turlow: Could work in a visit to Trion, which we never actually got to see Leela: escaped from galifrey before it was destroyed. Warriors of the deep I had been told was not very good, and even the behind the scenes doc is everyone complaining it didn't turn out very well. I actually sort of liked it. Its not the best but it had a lot going for it. Planet of Fire I felt dissappointed by, but it might just have been high expectations. For all the flack Jon Simms The Master gets, I have to say the Master was really overused on the classic show, and about as one-note a mustache twirling villian as you can get. Delgado and Ainley were both delightful to watch chew the scenery, But I find when watching the Pertwee or Davison stories in close succession, the Master constantly popping up gets tiresome. Just my 2 cents. Also, Peri: looks great in that bikini! but is damn annoying otherwise!

  • It's a complete non-sequitor in the episode, and I pulled up the audio commentary and they don't touch on it at all. But something about Howard locking her in a dark cupboard. Seemed really odd and out of place.

  • Dec. 11, 2011, 7:27 a.m. CST

    hornorsilk re: amy & rory

    by Rebel Scumb

    I just hope that the doctor has a new regular companion for all the non-amy/rory episodes as I find the show suffers the most in quality (in my opinion) when there is no regular companion. I think thats why I find the Tennant specials so much weaker than the tennant seasons. Doctor Who is a unique show in that the main character is not really the point of view of the show. And its arguably always been that way from the beginning. I'd liken it to moby dick in that while the book is about Ahab, it isn't a book from his point of view. The best stories are always the ones that focus on the doctor from the perspective of the companion. I mean even thinking back to the classic show, which granted I have not seen all of, but have seen i would say at least 60% of now, the only real moment of character development the doctor has is at the end of the Green Death. That quiet regret when he realizes he's lost Jo Grant. Pertwee does more with that little moment, than he or any of doctors 1-8 got to do in the 26 years of the show (again at least from what I've seen) One thing I think RTD was spot on about with the revival of the show, and Moffat has obviously continued with, is that the doctor himself needed a storyline. And starting with the whole 'last of the time lords' and emotional scars from the timewar was a good spot.

  • Dec. 11, 2011, 11:31 a.m. CST


    by HornOrSilk

    Apparently there is going to be an announcement from the BBC and it looks like: TWO EPISODES of Doctor Who (episodes, not stories) FOUND. An episode from GALAXY FOUR And and episode from UNDERWATER MENACE

  • Dec. 11, 2011, 11:32 a.m. CST

    rebel scumb -- I think

    by HornOrSilk

    3 episodes of River as companion would be good, and then yes, a new companion. And of course River continues to return. Or maybe return of an old companion since we are getting to the 50th anniversary. Suggestions: Jamie or Ace (sorry Sam)

  • Dec. 11, 2011, 11:33 a.m. CST

    The news!!!! The news!!!

    by HornOrSilk

    @keirhardie The finding of Doctor Who episodes The Underwater Menace-2 and Galaxy 4-3 has been announced at Missing Believed Wiped at the NFT. Hurrah!

  • Dec. 11, 2011, 11:42 a.m. CST

    Ok -- confirmed!

    by HornOrSilk

    It's @markgatiss, to introduce discovered #DoctorWho ep Galaxy 4 Airlock!

  • Dec. 11, 2011, 11:49 a.m. CST

    People are already seeing them!

    by HornOrSilk

    Woohoo! They are showing them.. so when do we get the DVD?!

  • Dec. 11, 2011, 12:26 p.m. CST

    That is great news!

    by Rebel Scumb

    I now have all the Peter Davison episodes, all the currently released Tom Baker stuff (and only 3-4 remain unreleased, with 2 of them coming out first quarter of 2012, and the other 2 expected shortly after) And I think even for Pertwee I have all but 6-7 of his stories currently in release. Pretty soon I'll be able to watch from 'spearhead from space' all the way through 'caves of androzani' That is if I had lots of free time, which I don't. But if I did!

  • Dec. 11, 2011, 12:37 p.m. CST

    Wow, that's great news!

    by DoctorTom

    I hadn't expected any more to be found since it's been so long since any others have been unearthed.

  • Dec. 11, 2011, 12:50 p.m. CST


    by HornOrSilk WOOHOO

  • Dec. 11, 2011, 12:52 p.m. CST

    rebel scumb -- you will get through them

    by HornOrSilk

    Of course, you will have to tell us which is your favorite PD story when done!

  • Dec. 11, 2011, 12:53 p.m. CST

    doctortom nor had I

    by HornOrSilk

    But there is still hope for a few more. Tenth Planet E4 for example.

  • Dec. 11, 2011, 1:24 p.m. CST

    Those clips look suprisingly good!

    by gotilk

    Quality-wise. Shocking and wonderful news! I was just watching clips from Galaxy 4 not too long ago. Amazing news!! Wow! Maybe there is hope for finding even more now. Maybe now we have good reason to start stalking Australian estate sales. Storage Wars:South Africa here I come!

  • Dec. 11, 2011, 1:26 p.m. CST

    These things do pop up.

    by gotilk

    I found footage of Johnny Cash performing in Reno when he was a youngster, 8mm film a few years ago. My father filmed it. It's still in amazing shape ( no sound of course, sadly). There's always hope.

  • Dec. 11, 2011, 1:27 p.m. CST

    gotilk -- yes, they DO look good

    by HornOrSilk

    I do think Tenth Planet 4 is out there. Outside of it, though, there is the possibility we will find more, but I don't know -- and if we do, what it will be is hard to predict. These were odd in their way!

  • Dec. 11, 2011, 1:41 p.m. CST

    *I was just watching clips from Galaxy 4*

    by gotilk

    Correction: I was watching re-creations from Galaxy 4 with audio. Not actually clips... because I would have posted here with the correct exclamation points and woo-hoos if that were actually the case. I was just thinking Australian Estate Sale would be a good name for a hipster band from Ohio.

  • Dec. 11, 2011, 1:44 p.m. CST

    gotilk -- I understood what you meant by clips

    by HornOrSilk

    From Ohio, eh? I used to live in Cincy. I did my MA at Xavier.

  • Dec. 11, 2011, 2:03 p.m. CST

    Australian Estate Sale would also be a great , obscure name

    by gotilk

    for a Doctor Who themed band. And why not, right? They have a Trek themed band here in my area, and they are pretty damned good (and funny). Warp 11 I think they're called. One of the guys used to post to talkback a lot.

  • Dec. 11, 2011, 2:17 p.m. CST

    I really like that clip released from Underwater Menace

    by DoctorTom

    I'll have you know I studied mad science at Harvard!

  • Dec. 11, 2011, 2:19 p.m. CST

    gaah! I thought I might avoid the quotation problem just once!

    by DoctorTom

    Anyway, that line in the last post was a line from Grant Morrison's Justice League. I love how Joseph Furst plays Zaroff; he's one of the few who would be able to convincingly be able to get away with Morrison's line. There's something about a mad scientist taking joy in his plan of destroying the Earth in order to further SCIENCE! that warms the cockles of my heart.

  • Dec. 11, 2011, 2:24 p.m. CST

    doctortom yeah

    by HornOrSilk

    But still, the story itself is very B, even for Doctor Who. But that can be its own fun!

  • Dec. 11, 2011, 2:25 p.m. CST

    Australian Estate Sale

    by HornOrSilk

    Sounds like a cover band for Men at Work...

  • Dec. 11, 2011, 3:25 p.m. CST


    by DoctorTom

    Australian Estate Sale also sounds like a nom de plume that Midnight Oil might play so-called anonymous gigs under (like Blue Oyster Cult would go out and do gigs under the name Soft White Underbelly), but it does sound more appropriate for a Men at Work cover band. As a digression, I always wanted to see Men at Work get together with Men Without Hats, so we could get the band Men At Work Without Hats singing their mashup hit It's a Safety Mistake Dance. Back on topic, I wonder if Terry Burnett might have some other nice lost episodes in his attic. Not just Doctor Who, even things like Adam Adamant Lives, or early (61 or 62) Avengers or the like.

  • Dec. 11, 2011, 3:34 p.m. CST


    by HornOrSilk

    Some think other recent finds like a David Bowie one might have been from him. I don't know. But he seemed to know the DW he had!

  • Dec. 11, 2011, 4:43 p.m. CST

    Two Missing Doctor Who Episodes Discovered.

    by ComicGuru

    Guys two missing episodes have just been discovered. Check here for the links.!/ComicGuru Episode of Galaxy Four and The Underwater Menace. Superb news. Best news in years.

  • Dec. 11, 2011, 6:15 p.m. CST


    by gotilk

    There are missing Avengers episodes as well?? I remember black and white ones. I guess it make sense, considering the period. How sad if true. Emma Peel. Just typing the name makes me tingly inside.

  • Dec. 11, 2011, 6:17 p.m. CST

    Zoe Heriotkind of reminds me of Emma Peel.

    by gotilk

    In the same sort of way. I think it's the jumpsuit. Rowr.

  • Dec. 11, 2011, 6:18 p.m. CST

    gotilk yes, many Avengers episodes

    by HornOrSilk

    We don't even have the full first episode. The first season was quite different -- Steed wasn't the lead!

  • Dec. 11, 2011, 6:20 p.m. CST


    by gotilk

    Wow! I had no idea. No Steed? Unimaginable.

  • Dec. 11, 2011, 6:23 p.m. CST


    by HornOrSilk

    Steed is in it, but well, it is interesting. The lead was Dr. David Keel: The Avengers began with medical doctor, Dr David Keel (Ian Hendry), investigating the murder by a drug ring of his fiancée and office receptionist Peggy. A stranger named John Steed, who was investigating the ring, appeared and together they set out to avenge her death in the first two episodes. Afterwards, Steed asked Keel to partner him as needed to solve crimes. The Avengers followed Hendry's Police Surgeon, in which he played police surgeon Geoffrey Brent. While Police Surgeon did not last long, viewers praised Hendry. Hendry was considered the star of the new series, receiving top billing over Macnee, and Steed did not appear in two episodes. (Easy quote from Wiki)

  • Dec. 11, 2011, 6:24 p.m. CST

    Oh and this (Avengers):

    by HornOrSilk

    Of the first series, two complete episodes still exist, as 16 mm film telerecordings. One of the episodes remaining does not feature Steed. The first 15 minutes of the first episode also exists as a telerecording.

  • Dec. 11, 2011, 6:28 p.m. CST

    I love the Avengers, btw... though the best are with Gale and Peel

    by HornOrSilk

    Honor Blackman of course eventually made her way to Doctor Who (Trial of a Time Lord -- and, of course, Children of Seth, which I expect I will have soon enough).

  • Dec. 11, 2011, 7:24 p.m. CST

    doc tom, soft white underbelly

    by Greg

    wasn't that BOC's original name? Just going by the reissue of the first album (some of the demos included I think are credited to Soft White Underbelly). Not saying they wouldn't use that name for secret gigs. It's pretty obscure. It's as bad a name to try to get any mainstream attention as B*stards would have been for Motorhead, or Son of a B*tch would have been for Saxon. Well, maybe not quite as damaging, but still.

  • To have discovered two more lost episodes of classic Doctor Who - episode 3 of Hartnell's Galaxy 4 (the only episode of this story now known to still exist), and episode 2 of Troughton's The Underwater Menace (meaning there are now 2 of the 4 episodes existing of this story) is indeed great news for classic Who fans. I mean, sure, it doesn't complete any lost storylines, but it does mean that even now there is still hope that more missing episodes may indeed be disovered, even all these years later. And now that we have two of the four episodes of The Underwater Menace, I'd hazzard a guess that it might shoot up the list of animated restorations that 2Entertain is rumoured to be looking at continuing if Reign of Terror (the Hartnell era restoration that they are working on now, which will have the two lost episodes animated by Theta-Sigma) is well recieved and sells well enough. Particularly as audio exists for all missing stories. Rumour has it that the Troughton story The Ice Warriors (with which has 4 out of 6 episodes still in existance) and the final Hartnell story The Tenth Planet (which has 3 out of 4 episodes still remaining, with the final episode being the missing one) are the most likely to be given the animation treatment on their missing episodes next, if more are to be done. While Hartnell's The Crusade (which has 2 out of its 4 episodes remaining), Troughton's The Moonbase (which likewise has 2 out of 4 episodes remaining), and now The Underwater Menace (again, now 2 out of 4 with this new discovery) are all 'half way there'. And given that two restored episodes, so far, seems to be about the cap budget wise - two episodes were restored via animation for Troughton story The Invasion a few years ago, and two are being restore currently for the afore mentioned Reign of Terror - hopes are high that eventually all those can be done in a similar fashion eventually. Anything that gives us more 'complete' stories in a visual medium is a-okay by me, so here's hoping anyway.

  • Dec. 11, 2011, 7:49 p.m. CST

    hornorsilk - I won't argue with you there

    by DoctorTom

    I like the Cathy Gale and Emma Peel episodes the best, but I also have a soft spot for some of the New Avengers episodes. Joanna Lumley when she was young. This one suffered a little by being a coproduction it seemed, but some episodes were still good. I remember when the New Avengers would first show in America on CBS late night. After they did New Avengers, they also did some of the older Avengers. None of this David Letterman stuff back then, we had actual action shows! (I also remember repeats of Kolchak: The Night Stalker back then late at night also.)

  • Dec. 11, 2011, 7:50 p.m. CST

    Icyhot - yes, I think you're right

    by DoctorTom

    After they became known as BOC though, if they wanted to do a so-called secret gig they'd just trot out the old Soft White Underbelly name.

  • Dec. 11, 2011, 7:51 p.m. CST

    The final part of the final Hartnell story...

    by gotilk

    still missing. Still makes me sad. But this news gives me hope that somewhere in a garage or a storage room, or an Australian Estate Sale (lol) that episode exists.

  • From what I remember, the clip with the regeneration was shown on some other show, which is why that clip is still around. Granted, it's a truncated version and not as high a quality as we would want. Still, there's hope yet that the full episode is out there, just like there's hope that there's other episodes out there (like the rest of Evil of the Daleks, the rest of The Crusades and the like). Heck, I'd be overjoyed with finding the other episodes of The Underwater Menace so that we'd have the complete story.

  • it was loaned out to Blue Peter, but the final episode itself is sadly lost in time. That is definitely *the* Hartnell episode I'd most love to see turn back up one day. But overall, I'm sadder about the Troughton era, as the majority of that is still lost, and at least with Hartnell there are enough complete stories left to give you a good feel of what that era was like overall (even though hardly any of season 3 still exists), but with Troughton so very much of his era is either completely lost or incomplete, that to me it just feels like even more of a tragedy. I mean apart from Tomb of the Cybermen from his second season, all we have left as far as complete stories from Troughton's era are all taken from his final season. If they were to do animated reconstructions of The Underwater Menace and The Moonbase, both of which now have two missing episodes (just like the previously done The Invasion and Reign of Terror), then that would at least give us a nice taste of Troughton's forst season, and a reconstructed Ice Warriors (again 2 missing episodes) again would, in combination with the existing Tomb of the Cybermen, give us a slice of Troughton's second season. Not perfect, but at least it gives those of us born after Troughton's run a bit better taste of what that run was like overall. I mean right now there is only 6 Troughton stories on my dvd shelf (including the reconstructed version of The Invasion), with an SE of one, Tomb of the Cybermen (on the next Revisitations set), and one other unreleased complete story, The Krotons, still to come. And that's it, unless they do more animated reconstructions. And even then the most we are likely to see is those mentioned above - The Ice Warriors, and maybe, if we are very lucky, The Underwater Menace, and The Moonbase. With Hartnell, at least I already have 15 stories on my dvd shelf, with The Sensorites and Planet of the Giants still to come, along with the reconstructed version of Reign of Terror, and the highly likely to be reconstructed The Tenth Planet as well. And The Crusade is another one that could potentially be marked for animated reconstruction on top of that, if it is seen as viable to do so. So worst case scenario, that's at least 18, likely 19, and possibly even 20 Hartnell stories we could have on dvd by line's end. Whereas with Troughton, it's 7, quite possibly 8, and only if we are very lucky, 9 or 10 by line's end. Breaks the heart, any way you cut it. Even if you count the three Troughton crossover stories, it still saddens me that the majority of his era is still lost, particularly given just how great he was in the role. I mean I'm sad about the lost Hartnell too, but in a sliding scale of disappointment the sheer extent of the Troughton loss just cuts a little deeper for me personally.

  • Dec. 12, 2011, 5:27 a.m. CST

    Next Year's Butt Numb A Thon...

    by dj_bollocks

    How about a world premiere of next year's Doctor Who Christmas Special ? You could call it Merrick's Matinee ? Can i claim my invite now ? ;op

  • Dec. 12, 2011, 6:44 a.m. CST

    Was it MOV?

    by HornOrSilk

    I don't remember, but I remember someone saying look to the BFI surprise. And boy were they right. It might have been MOV -- and he would be one of the first who I expect who would have said that -- however, it's been so long, I don't remember.

  • Dec. 12, 2011, 6:45 a.m. CST

    If I could make two episodes appear

    by HornOrSilk

    It would be Tenth Planet 4 and Power of the Daleks 1. Period.

  • Dec. 12, 2011, 8:34 a.m. CST

    Those are two good episodes to have appear

    by DoctorTom

    I had suggested Crusades as another opportunity because it would complete that story, but I'd rather have the Tenth Planet completed. There's a little part of me, though, that would like to get the Christmas episode of The Daleks Master Plan - the original Christmas special. I wouldn't have been surprised that if that episode had shown up that it might have been broadcast along with the new Christmas special.

  • Dec. 12, 2011, 9:35 a.m. CST


    by ByTor

    Late, as usual, to the docback party am I. And wow, lots of news. First, and most importantly: Gotilk, I am so glad to hear that your mom is doing better. My thoughts are with you. The steak sounds delicious; I am passing the recipe on to my wife forthwith. Merrick: don't beat yourself up about how you handled your father's death. There's no right way to do it. Losing a parent is not something you can easily prepare for. You you react. Assuming you didn't run out and commit a string of felonies, I wouldn't worry about what you were ''supposed'' to do. OK, now on to the fun stuff. The Rescue: I've always enjoyed this one, but mostly as I thought it was rather superior to The Edge of Destruction. I'm guessing many of you are too young to remember what getting access to older/unreleased Doctor Who episodes was like in the US back in the 80's. was hell. And in many cases, it was a particular kind of flickering hell called a ''camera copy.'' Oh sure, you may be familiar with camera copies of movies, but the two aren't the same. See, as many of you probably DO know, the UK and US have different television systems. Before digital and HD, of course, we had NTSC in the US and PAL in the UK. (Well, we still do, more or less.) The resolutions were somewhat different (NTSC has max 480 lines, PAL 576), but the kicker was the frame rates. NTSC is 60 interlaced fields/second; PAL is 50. So the TV screens refresh at a different rate. You can't just hook a PAL VCR up to a NTSC VCR and dub a copy. Instead, you had to get a PAL VCR and PAL TV and play the tape, with an NTSC camera pointed at the PAL TV recording it onto an NTSC VCR. Because of the different frame rates, this would induce a horrible flicker effect. It was possible to get PAL tapes professionally converted, but that process was expensive (around $40-$50 per hour of video). At the time I was working part time and going to school, and the minimum wage in Illinois was a whopping $3.35. None of us had the money for the digital conversion, even assuming we had direct access to PAL tapes (we didn't, for the most part). There was no public Internet, so no way to easily make contacts with people across the pond to even get PAL tapes. Understand that at this point on TV all we had was Tom Baker and the first season of Peter Davison. WTTW in Chicago had been running the Tom Baker episodes over and over, and while those are some of the best episodes the show ever saw, we wanted to see more. Thanks to my pal Jean-Marc Lofficier, we at least knew the names of all the episodes, and basic plots...and of course there were the Target novelizations. But we wanted the real thing. Finally WTTW announced that they were getting the Jon Pertwee stories. We were thrilled! We were particularly excited to see the original Master at some point. A bunch of us got together for the Pertwee premiere. Imagine our disappointment when it was part 1 of...Inferno! Not to knock Inferno, but we were expecting Spearhead from Space! Turned out that WTTW had only gotten a ''selection'' of Pertwee episodes. UGH. I mean, we had suspected they'd skip the black-and-white ones (which we now knew to be Ambassadors of Death, Silurians, Terror of the Autons, Daemons, Invasion of the Dinosaurs, and...I think that was it), but we figured we'd get all the rest. Alas, no. Anyway, at the time there existed some folks who traded (and sold) bootleg Who. One guy charged a friend of mine $40 for An Unearthly Child. He was also a fairly nasty sort who insisted that his customers not make dupes for others, or else he'd cut them off. My friend made me a copy, but that was it. I was out of high school by this time, but a guy I knew from a Doctor Who-themed BBS also went to the same school, and his parents were loaded. His dad had gotten one of the early front-projection big screen TVs, and we decided it would be cool to host a screening of An Unearthly Child for local fans at the school. We set it up, and advertised it through the comic book store I was more-or-less running at the time. (We didn't charge admission or anything.) We had a pretty good turnout, and let me tell you, when 50 people head out to Evanston to watch a grainy, flickery copy of AUC, well...those are some fans, right there. The cheers when Hartnell first showed up were about as thunderous as 50 nerds could manage. After the screening, I was approached by one of the guests. Turns out he was part of a Who bootlegging group that was fairly large and active, and our copy of AUC was significantly better than the one that was circulating commonly. Would I be willing to dupe it in exchange for some other episodes? Hell yes! To hell with the scumbag who charged $40 and threatened to cut my friend off; if we could get an inventory and start trading, we'd never pay another dime. And we didn't. This launched a frenzy of trading activity. Groups of us would get together at someone's house. We'd all bring VCRs and spend the night (or two, or three) just dubbing around the clock. Within months we had every extant Hartnell and Troughton story, along with the ''partials'' (e.g. Abominable Snowmen 2, Web of Fear 1, Dalek Master Plan 5 and 10). We also had non-cam copies of all the Pertwees thanks to a PBS station that had run them in the seventies. We even got color copies of Terror of the Autons and Daemons. We went to so much effort to get such poor quality video...but I still think it was worth it. ;)

  • Dec. 12, 2011, 9:39 a.m. CST

    Almost Forgot!

    by ByTor

    The big news of the day! Sorry for rambling in that last post; something about docbacks does it to me. This is SUCH a coincidence. I was just watching that thingy hosted by Frazier Hines and Debbie Watling about missing episodes, where they show clips and talk to the BBC Archivist last night! I was literally thinking as they showed the clip from Galaxy 4 that it was a shame we would likely never find anything else. And now this. Truly amazing stuff. Hope this gets released on DVD, but it's hard to imagine they'd release a DVD with just two partials. Maybe a re-release of one of the Lost in Time sets with these added? I dunno. I wonder how well those actually sold. But damn, I sure want them!

  • Dec. 12, 2011, 12:15 p.m. CST

    Thanks Bytor

    by gotilk

    And that story you told of the camera copies brought back a very vivid memory. But must go right now. Will post later.

  • Dec. 12, 2011, 12:31 p.m. CST

    Fantastic story, too, Bytor.

    by gotilk

    But quick question... did ANYONE go watch that clip from the 1930's movie featuring a robotic dog named K-9??

  • Dec. 12, 2011, 12:39 p.m. CST


    by ByTor

    I haven't yet, 'cause I'm at work and can't get to Youtube. Will check it out this evening for sure!

  • Dec. 12, 2011, 12:55 p.m. CST

    bytor - I can't condone bootlegging

    by Mister Vertue

    But I absolutely loved reading about the lengths to which fans would go to just to watch the show at a time when it wasn't readily available to them. And we all know that the very same fans who bootlegged those VHS tapes are the same ones who later went out and bought the official dvd versions (especially to get all the dvd extras), so it's hard to be mad at them!

  • Dec. 12, 2011, 12:58 p.m. CST

    MOV's Financial Advice Corner

    by Mister Vertue

    Go out and buy shares in Lara Pulver right now. She's going to explode in 2012. Not literally of course, that would be horrific.

  • Dec. 12, 2011, 1:01 p.m. CST

    Newly discovered episodes just in time for Christmas

    by Mister Vertue

    Glorious news, isn't it? We definitely need more Troughton episodes to appear. They're out there, somewhere, I know it!

  • Dec. 12, 2011, 1:22 p.m. CST


    by ByTor

    Well I can't speak to ALL the fans, but goodness knows I've plowed all kinds of money into Who DVDs. But back in the day, there simply was no alternative. The VHS releases hadn't started yet, and it should be remembered that the early VHS releases in America were horrible. They usually were edited into ''movie'' format (which I hate), and often trimmed: Brain of Morbius was about 60 minutes long! Meanwhile, all we had was PBS -- and many of us made sure to contribute (and talk our parents into contributing) to PBS to help fund the reruns. But most PBS stations never even considered airing the black-and-white episodes. Well, that was then and this is now. Fortunately most are now available on DVD, and I expect the few that are not will be before too long. As to Troughton...yes, I desperately wish they'd find more. It's such a small selection, and until the (1992?) return of Tomb of the Cybermen, all were from season 6. Most of us picture Troughton as the bumbling, oh-my-giddy-aunt Doctor, but much of that came in season 6, or at least became more prominent. It's fairly clear that his best work was earlier, and you only have to look at Tomb to see that. I'd really love to see the two Dalek stories, along with Macra Terror, Web of Fear...ugh, so much missing!

  • Dec. 12, 2011, 1:24 p.m. CST


    by gotilk

    It IS hard to be mad at them. But the reasons back then were SO different than they are now. The shows just couldn't be had legitimately. And always, it's preferable that no money change hands, don't you think? I remember trading obscure Julian Cope tapes back in the beginning years of the (modern) Internet, back in like... 92-93, only because we poor blokes in the colonies couldn't get our hands on too many things except through people who came back with single copies. The thing is,you betcha we purchased the CDs later on. And I have to be inspired by the explosion of certain shows because of tape trading (not selling), like Mystery Science Theater 3k. Then you have things like The Greatful Dead, Phish, Primus, with fans trading live shows wildly. The *trading* these days is a very different animal now though, isn't it? It's more about... in many cases... *this is easier and cheaper* than it is about fandom. Things can change so quickly.

  • Dec. 12, 2011, 1:33 p.m. CST

    IT's cute what kids will do -- here's Jim the Fish

    by HornOrSilk Just was looking to see if I could find something done on him and found this.. Doctor Who is going well when kids make videos like this....

  • Dec. 12, 2011, 1:35 p.m. CST

    Yes, I remember the video tape collection I had

    by HornOrSilk

    I had a 3rd or 4th generation copy of every available episode from the lost stories, a reconstruction of Power of the Daleks, and other things -- from people who had connections..

  • Dec. 12, 2011, 2:59 p.m. CST

    hornorsilk that made my day.

    by gotilk

    SO adorable. Makes me wanna get married and have 4 of 'em. Almost.

  • Dec. 12, 2011, 3:05 p.m. CST

    Lara Pulver is our new Irene Adler isn't she?

    by gotilk

    I'm not too familiar with her work beyond True Blood. She is adorable.

  • Dec. 12, 2011, 3:06 p.m. CST

    Of course (headslap) he's a timefish!

    by gotilk

    Best line of that video. LOL!! So creative.

  • Dec. 12, 2011, 3:07 p.m. CST

    I'd much rather be extrapolated

    by gotilk

    than interpolated. Ouch. It's very pinchy.

  • I remember my dad had not only those (some foreign UFO documentaries) but even had 8mm films of really strange stuff like (very obviously fake) UFO footage. I recall seeing videotapes he had WAY back that had those scan lines. That thick horizontal line that kept going UP the screen, constantly. I think it was mostly UFO documentaries from the UK. He was a member of some UFO enthusiasts group in Oregon at one time. Bytor, your post truly did bring back some very vivid memories. My dad made some pretty big mistakes in his life, but he was never, ever dull. Interesting guy.

  • Dec. 12, 2011, 5:12 p.m. CST

    gotilk -right -- I thought the video was worth mentioning

    by HornOrSilk

    Doctor Who is cool, so we know, Jim the fish is cool...

  • Dec. 12, 2011, 7:45 p.m. CST

    Ahhh.. the mid-week slowdown.

    by gotilk

    That's fine though. I get the chance to read over what I may have missed.... and FINALLY listen to the last half of Whotininnies!! Yes, I know. After all the moaning I did about the late Whotininnies, I actually didn't find the time to listen to the whole thing until this evening. So off to it! Be well, DocBackers!

  • Dec. 13, 2011, 5:04 a.m. CST

    Also the -- no longer on front page slowdown

    by HornOrSilk

    But we know it's here. It's not a lost episode of DocBack yet!

  • Dec. 13, 2011, 5:24 a.m. CST


    by gotilk

    Very true, very true.

  • Dec. 13, 2011, 5:32 a.m. CST

    Oh, and another quick off-topic post while things are slow..

    by gotilk

    Just watched the second episode of Black Mirror. MUCH better than the first. I would call it pure genius. Even if you hated that first one (some did), DO NOT MISS the second. It was a perfect example of the kind of science fiction that people have been aching for. Original, smart, a little terrifying, moving and wonderfully acted. I would go so far as the describe it as a perfect Twilight Zone episode for the Internet age. I hope the third one is as good as the second one.

  • Dec. 13, 2011, 7:07 a.m. CST

    I bet the selected time will be 12/12 12:12 or...

    by tangcameo

    the 10th at 10:10 since its the Tenth Doctor.

  • Dec. 13, 2011, 8:32 a.m. CST

    More off-topic

    by ByTor

    I just finally started watching Blake's 7. Yeah, I know, I can't believe it took me so many years to get around to it. Goddamn, this is a good show. Terry Nation brings his A game.

  • Dec. 13, 2011, 11:37 a.m. CST

    Just wait, bytor

    by DoctorTom

    the A game dries up a bit when you get to seasons 3 and 4. There's still some good episodes in there, though. Robert Holmes had some good stories in the show as well as Terry Nation.

  • Dec. 13, 2011, 12:12 p.m. CST


    by ByTor

    Yeah I saw Robert Holmes wrote an episode (Season 2, I think). Looking forward to it. I just meant that, so far, the writing is better than pretty much every Terry Nation-scripted Doctor Who episode excepting Genesis of the Daleks (and I think a significant chunk of Genesis might have been Holmes). I like that it's kind of bleak and lacking that Star-Trek-ish optimism. It's a nice contrast. Also, Paul Darrow is wonderful. Avon is my hero.

  • Dec. 13, 2011, 12:28 p.m. CST

    gotilk what is Black Mirror?

    by HornOrSilk

    I never heard of it

  • Dec. 13, 2011, 12:29 p.m. CST

    bytor -- B7

    by HornOrSilk

    The Way Back is one of my favorite hours of tv. Period. There are some great bits in the series, some weak bits in the series, but the first hour... they couldn't do that today, could they?

  • Dec. 13, 2011, 12:29 p.m. CST

    Hey everyone, especially gotilk!

    by Kevin Bolinger

    So, I hit 100 subscribers on youtube, and I decided to do the stonehenge speech from The Pandorica Opens.So, if you want to see me in my Doctor costume, being silly, follow the least you will get a laugh from it :P

  • Dec. 13, 2011, 12:30 p.m. CST

    And I myself think S3 and S4 are good for B7

    by HornOrSilk

    Sure, the budget seems to get less and less, and there are problems here and there -- but.. the good bits outweigh the bad as a whole. Especially the ending.

  • Dec. 13, 2011, 12:37 p.m. CST


    by ByTor

    Oh I think you could do something like The Way Back today...but yes, it's an incredible episode and one of the best pilots I've seen for anything ever.

  • Dec. 13, 2011, 12:43 p.m. CST

    bytor - are you sure?

    by HornOrSilk

    I think one of the powerful elements of it is its connection to faked sexual abuse of children. I don't think that would sit well as a theme -- it would be too unnerving to think about it and be seen as defending people accused of crimes against children. Sure, other elements could be taken up, but I think that one element -- and it is important (imo) -- just can't be done.

  • Dec. 13, 2011, 1:29 p.m. CST


    by ByTor

    Perhaps...but I could see it flying on something like HBO. You have a point, though; it would take a brave TV exec to allow it to happen.

  • Dec. 13, 2011, 2:28 p.m. CST

    hornorsilk, bytor

    by DoctorTom

    I don't know if it would fly on the BBC now (which presumably is where it would be shown). If it were on a channel like E4 they'd probably get away with it; given with what they get away with for Misfits I'd think they'd get away with any of the stuff that had been done before in Blakes 7. Heck, given today's times, if the show were redone now the BBC would probably get into trouble for having "terrorists" as the heroes of the show.

  • Dec. 13, 2011, 2:32 p.m. CST

    hornorsilk (Black Mirror)

    by gotilk

    It's a 3 part series that's supposed to be about our interaction with devices/screens in our lives these days. (the black mirrors being the many screens we interact with daily). I was thinking it was way off topic, but the director of the episode I was describing was Euros Lyn, who has directed several great Who episodes: The End of the World The Unquiet Dead Tooth and Claw The Girl in the Fireplace The Idiot's Lantern Fear Her The Runaway Bride Silence in the Library Forest of the Dead The End of Time: Part One The End of Time: Part Two So not as off-topic as I'd originally thought. He also directed Torchwood: Children of Earth. Black Mirror has been great so far, with 15 million merits being the best so far. (episode 2) I believe it airs on channel 4.

  • Dec. 13, 2011, 2:33 p.m. CST

    Congrats darthdevious !!

    by gotilk

    Great job on getting to 105 subs. And great video!

  • Dec. 13, 2011, 2:46 p.m. CST


    by HornOrSilk

    Are you really talking -- or is it the script? ;)

  • Dec. 13, 2011, 2:46 p.m. CST

    gotilk - ah, that's why I've not heard of it

    by HornOrSilk


  • Dec. 13, 2011, 2:47 p.m. CST

    doctortom - yes, terrorists also an issue

    by HornOrSilk

    Though we have a long tradition of terrorists as heroes.. even Star Wars is founded on this...

  • Dec. 13, 2011, 3:06 p.m. CST

    hornorsilk - terrorists

    by ByTor

    Star Wars was before 9/11. Since 9/11, terrorists must ALWAYS be bad. They're like Nazis, now. Evidently.

  • Dec. 13, 2011, 3:21 p.m. CST

    As a side note -- my PKD discussions continue

    by HornOrSilk

    You can find all my engagement with PKD's Exegesis here: Yes, it's a Christian engagement and I only take on a small section of his thought, but I try to give nods (here and there) to elements I don't discuss.

  • Dec. 13, 2011, 4:39 p.m. CST

    hornorsilk - pkd

    by DoctorTom

    I have the book sitting at home right now, but haven't started it yet (I'm in the middle of several things, but will hopefully get to it sometime). On the subject of PKD, have you seen the collections of his short stories that Subterranean Press are putting out? They've had 2 collections so far, King of the Elves and The Adjustment Team. They also have Ubik: The Screenplay. The books are somewhat pricey, but given the quality of the books they put out they're worth it.

  • I do have the five volume set of his short stories and 4/6 of his letters and all but one of his published novels (Broken Bubble). I intend to get the screenplay sometime. What are their story collections like?

  • Dec. 13, 2011, 4:57 p.m. CST

    Horn and Gotilk

    by Kevin Bolinger

    Gotilk, Thank you very much! Glad you liked my silly version of the speech :) Horn, well, I actually had my laptop in front of me, as a teleprompter, I am getting way to old to memorize things these days :P LOL To anyone else, I hope you enjoyed the video :)

  • Dec. 13, 2011, 6:18 p.m. CST

    On PKD

    by gotilk

    I have only read Radio Free Albemuth. I know, an odd choice for a first PKD novel. But I was impressed and could not put it down. Looking forward to reading what you're written regarding PKD, hornorsilk.

  • Dec. 13, 2011, 6:26 p.m. CST

    Aha! Fascinating writing , Hornorsilk.

    by gotilk

    I started with *Evil Is Not, And Strives To Unmake The Universe In Its Own Image*. Now I will be sure to read it all. Dense work, but worth it. Thanks!

  • Dec. 13, 2011, 6:34 p.m. CST

    gotilk -- PKD

    by HornOrSilk

    Well, that really is an odd one (I find it good, but I think VALIS is superior of the two). I still await to see the movie edition of Radio... any day now... The Exegesis is very difficult as a work goes. Since PKD is connecting ideas and themes in his major works (over 10 novels!) as a way to understand his experience (and also his experience to understand his own books), it will often discuss things which if you have not read, it will be interesting but not as significant. He also goes all over the place in the work -- I am dealing with those ideas which I find most interesting (some which he contradicts later, some he modifies later, some he returns to after rejecting, etc). It's really all over the place. is a bit that was on NPR about the book. Still, glad you are enjoying my reflections over PKD.. I am sure he would be glad if he saw my writing (even if he would disagree).

  • Dec. 14, 2011, 12:43 a.m. CST

    YAY! My Internet is normal again!

    by gotilk

    Nice! Leave it to a smart Canadian woman to really fix the problem. So lucky to have randomly got the woman I did for tech support. Now I can go back to posting as normal. .. . uh-oh. lol

  • Dec. 14, 2011, 3:42 a.m. CST

    Great, gotilk

    by HornOrSilk

    Now go forth and post!

  • Dec. 14, 2011, 5:30 a.m. CST

    I can't believe the fart machine was farting on its own!

    by gotilk

    *mmm-hmm* LOL!!! Great Whotininnies, guys!! Yes, it did take me this long to finally sit down and finish listening to the last few minutes of it, after all that whining and moaning about it being late. Now I have to purchase the blu of the Richard Donner cut of Superman 2. I really fear that finally getting a blu ray player again is going to be bad for my wallet. Between Who on Blu, Superman 2 and..... Space 1999 and ST:TNG in HD too... I am looking forward to eating ramen for a a few years. Thanks for the mention.... and it's pronounced GOATLICKER! ROFL!! No, that really made my night. GOT LICK is fine. But it's gotmilk without the m.

  • Dec. 14, 2011, 5:32 a.m. CST

    I'm actually fine with goatlick.

    by gotilk

    But I believe it is VERY important to note that I have never and will never own goats, and I have never been close enough to one to be able to lick it.

  • Dec. 14, 2011, 8:51 a.m. CST

    hornorsilk - pkd collections

    by DoctorTom

    If you have the 5 volume short story collection put out a while ago, you'll hhave most that is showing up in the story collections from Subterranean. They state that they're doing a 5 volume collection of short stories. The first collection (King of the Elves) notes that it has one previously unpublished and one previously published but uncollected story. I think all the stories in the second volume are previously collected. The Ubik screenplay I don't recall being mass published before Subterranean put it out. Subterranean does a good job with the niche market they're in - high quality hardbacks, with options to get even higher quality versions (bound in leather, slipcased, some - obviously not the PKD - signed by the authors). The expanded Deathbird Stories by Harlan Ellison they released last year was amazing.

  • Dec. 14, 2011, 9:50 a.m. CST

    I always thought it was Got Ilk

    by ByTor

    Ya know, like ''Got Milk?''

  • Dec. 14, 2011, 9:57 a.m. CST

    doctortom - ok, I looked it up

    by HornOrSilk

    And the people who have the 5 volume set are not too impressed with the new one -- but it probably is fine for those who don't have it already.

  • Dec. 14, 2011, 10:05 a.m. CST

    Horn - is it the 5 volume set from the early 90's?

    by DoctorTom

    I have those sitting on a shelf, but those were in trade paper. I liked the idea of upgrading them to a more durable hardcover. You probably don't need to get them though if you already have a set. Maybe when Moffat finally gets done with Doctor Who he might try adapting a PKD property for a 1 season series for BBC - for some reason I keep thinking of Moffat as the person to get if anybody is going to do an adaptation of The Man in the High Castle.

  • Dec. 14, 2011, 10:32 a.m. CST

    doctortom yes though they did republish volumes

    by HornOrSilk

    This book from Subterranean Press is a very poorly edited version of the first volume of Collected Stories, with a smattering of ill-considered material added, and crucial information removed. They have inexplicably taken out the original preface and introductions and replaced them with ... NOTHING. They have inexplicably removed the publication information at the end of the book about many of the stories, including the first story "Stability." Dick wrote that story as a teenager, and it remained unpublished until 1987. But there is no way to know that from reading this book. "Stability" is followed by "Menace React," a half page story FRAGMENT new to this edition that ends abruptly without explanation after, well, a half page. If one goes to the back of the book, the nature of "Menace React is then at least explained in the notes. "Menace React" is followed by 24 stories from the beginning of Dick's professional writing career. There is much great material here, but you don't need this edition to find it.

  • Dec. 14, 2011, 10:33 a.m. CST

    doctortom -- that was from

    by HornOrSilk Quotes edited out things

  • Dec. 14, 2011, 11:22 a.m. CST

    It's surprising that they've dropped the ball with the PKD stories

    by DoctorTom

    usually they're much better than that. They've done a good job with their Philip Jose Farmer collections, and the Deathbird Stories collection is just magnificent (as was the George RR Martin collection they did several years back). Unfortunately it sounds like they need to do a better job of editing the notes when they shuffle stories between the books here. At least they are going in composition order now.

  • Dec. 14, 2011, 12:56 p.m. CST

    Merrick's podcasts

    by Mister Vertue

    I've promised myself for Christmas to find the time to listen to the next podcast that gets posted by Merrick. It seems like I'm missing out on something very fun. There just aren't enough hours in the day though! This weekend, I'll make the time though, promise.

  • Dec. 14, 2011, 10:01 p.m. CST


    by gotilk

    They are a blast to listen to. It was tough for me to get through this week more than about 20 minutes at a time, but it was very worth it. Eventually I just had to put it on my Zune (yeah, I'm still holding out) and walk around doing things with one headphone ear on and one off. Yes, it does get that crazy here sometimes.

  • Dec. 14, 2011, 10:05 p.m. CST

    A friend of mine thought it would be fun to write up

    by gotilk

    t-shirt ideas on paper. A little at a time, for a couple of days, then get in contact and read them on the phone to each other to see what ideas worked and which did not. (we have the silk-screening equipment and materials, even some bulk shirts now) In the process, I came up with a few visual gags that involved pop culture references. One of our favorites (which also made us BOTH groan out loud) was one I came up with at the last minute. Image of the TARDIS with a pack of dogs running out of it. Yes..... Let it sink in for a moment. Mmm-hmm. *WHO let the dogs out* Yes, I know. Audible groan. But you know you want one.

  • Dec. 14, 2011, 11:52 p.m. CST

    I feel I must apologize

    by gotilk

    AND ask myself, publicly, why I forgot for a short time that I had read VALIS? How could such a stunning work slip my mind when discussing Dick? No idea. But there it is. I was reading through some of the reviews of Exegesis and noticed the name VALIS and it all came back to me. How I acquired the book, how I purchased multiple copies to give away..... and on and on. As well as what an impact it had on me at the time. I even discussed it in many LOST talkbacks. How very strange. In any case, I hope anyone reading this (as well as those who will not) will have a great evening and I will most likely see your words again on Friday. Be well.

  • Dec. 15, 2011, 12:11 a.m. CST

    and also when you consider the connection

    by gotilk

    between Radio Free and VALIS..... what a thing to slip my mind!

  • Dec. 15, 2011, 3:38 a.m. CST

    No need to apologize - things sometimes slip our minds

    by HornOrSilk

    Esp when real life is keeping the pressure on us

  • Dec. 15, 2011, 8:44 a.m. CST

    Gotilk - Valis

    by DoctorTom

    Obviously, you were either reading Valis when the Silents were around, or else you read it at a point before time got rewritten to you not having read it, and now you're only having memories of reading it when you hadn't in this timeline. (Yes, this season of Doctor Who was definitely fun for the head games.)

  • Dec. 18, 2011, 2:58 p.m. CST


    by gotilk

    Goodnight sweet DocBack.