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Wanders 'Galaxy 4'!! DOCTOR WHO Story #18, And More!!

 

 

- via Steven Moffat's Twitter stream  

 

 
Merrick here...
 
...with a look at “Galaxy 4,” a four part Hartnell-era DOCTOR WHO story which first transmitted September - October 1965.  
 
It is here that we must contextualize what, exactly, “Galaxy 4” is.  Rather, what it has become.  As previously mentioned, a long time ago BBC set about erasing and/or destroying a number of vintage DOCTOR WHO episodes.  This practice was ceased, but only after a fair amount of damage had been done to recordings of the show’s early years.  Some of these trashed episodes have subsequently been recovered from various sources, a few have been only partially retrieved, etc.  Some have a reasonably quantity of visual information still associated with them (whether this be promotional images, “telesnap” photos, etc.), allowing for some level of “reconstruction” using still-in-existence audio tracks.  Others have less visual material to remember them by , making it far more difficult for us to get a sense of what these stories might’ve been like in terms of design and visual presentation.   
 
At the moment, “Galaxy 4” is an episode for which precious little imagery of any kind exists.  Its original audio tracks have been wrapped up in narration and presented on THIS CD set, and THIS reconstruction from Loose Cannon attempts to make the best out of a poor situation.  This equation will eventually change at least somewhat with the release of ‘Airlock,’ episode 3 of this story, which was recovered late last year along with an installment of the Troughton-era “Underwater Menace.”  
 
 
 
 
The discovery of this particular “Galaxy 4” episode is gloriously coincident, as it happens to contain one of the story’s most effective sequences, and and one of the greatest DOCTOR WHO moments up to this point in its run.  It’ll be be amazing to view this moment on-screen.  
 
 
 
 
 
“GALAXY 4”
 
 
image via dailypop 
 
 
The Doctor (William Hartnell) and companions Steven (Peter Purves) and Vicki (Maureen O’Brien) materialize on an unnamed world, where two non-indigenous and disparate species are locked in distrust and combat - both careening towards the same inexorable fate. These Drahvin and Rill both believe the world they’re on will explode in fourteen “dawns.”  Frustrated by the irreparable status of their own vessel, the bitchy-but -hot Dravhin war women plot to steal the Rill ship and escape this dying world before it’s too late.  Unaware of these Drahvin maneuverings, the Rill hustle to restore their own damaged craft until the Doctor makes a game changing discovery:  the planet does not have fourteen days of life left.  It only has two...
 
 
Acknowledging the caveat that it’s hard to be completely fair to an episode which can not be seen in the way it was intended, it’s still possible to get a very strong sense of story movements, character developments, etc. through the above linked audios and reconstructions.  And through them, “Galaxy 4” emerges as a wonderful pastiche of well-considered concepts which never quite congeal into a propulsive or compelling endgame. In short, and to use an unfortunate but inescapable colloquialism, the “whole” of “Galaxy 4” never equals the sum of its parts.  
 
One of the issues here is that the backstory of “Galaxy 4” is considerably more interesting than what actually happens once the Doctor and Co. enter the tale.  I won’t go into too many details because it’s fun to discover these particular bits as you go, but suffice to say that the “reality” we’re introduced to as the story opens emerges as something different once we’re told exactly how the Rills and Drahvin became locked in their fateful standoff/smackdown.  This imbalance is accentuated by the introduction of compelling thematics which never seem to develop past lip service.  For example, Drahvin overboss Maaga bullies about clone lackeys in a demeaning social/power structure not dissimilar to themes  addressed in Ridley Scott’s BLADE RUNNER seventeen years later.  
 
 
 
The Rill’s reticence to be seen due to the effects their appearance might have on outsiders pre-dates the Medussans in STAR TREK: THE ORIGINAL SERIES’ “Is There in Truth No Beauty?” by two or three years. 
 
To be clear, I’m not attempting to imply that these later pieces were directly impacted or inspired by “Galaxy 4” - I’m merely pointing towards interesting and eventually “classic” conceits which are explored herein, and earlier.  Ideas which, unfortunately ultimately spin into nothingness as the story they’re supporting becomes unruly, unfocused, and ultimately mis-paced.  
 
Sustaining the episodes strange, teeter-totter duality is Stephanie Bidmead’s appearance is Maaga.  In many ways she’s comically over the top as a decidedly unlovely Drahvin battle marm.  Perhaps her actual on-screen appearance might suggest a greater subtlety than is evident via recons and audios, but as is she chews scenery with the voraciousness of STAR TREK’s Doomsday Machine.  Bidmead does dial down her performance a bit from time to time, resulting is one of the most chilling and mean-spirited exchanges heard to this point in the show’s chronology.  
 
 
MAAGA 
It may be that we shall kill neither the Rills nor these Earth creatures.  Not with our own hands, that is. It may be better for us to escape in the RIll spaceship and leave them here.  And then, when we are out in space, we can look back.  We will see a vast, white, exploding planet and know that they have died with it.  
 
 
DRAHVIN #2
But we will not see them die...
 
MAAGA 
You will not, but I at least have enough intelligence to imagine it.  The fear, the horror, the shuddering of a planet in its last moments of life - and then they die.  
 
 
That’s pretty potent material, and we’ll get to see that for ourselves presuming BBC releases “Galaxy 4” Episode 3 - ‘Airlock’ in some form, as said episode contains this very pontification.
 
There is greatness in “Galaxy 4” - but William Emms’ script is never refined in a way which accentuates that greatness.  As such, “Galaxy 4” feels a tad like an aborted sculpture.  A mass of compelling notions and promising adventure which are left to slide about and dry out out atop a table, instead of being taken in hand and lovingly formed into a beautiful and immortal statue.  
 
 

 

 

IN THE COMING WEEKS (sequentially) 
 
"The Tomb of the Cybermen" (Troughton, Story #37) 
 
"The Three Doctors" (Pertwee, Story #65) 
 
"The Face of Evil" (T. Baker, Story #89) 
 
"The Robots of Death"  (T. Baker, Story #90)
 
 
 
 
 
 

PREVIOUS DOCBACKS

 

[SEASON / SERIES SIX DOCBACKS]


"The Impossible Astronaut"

"Day of the Moon"

"The Curse of the Black Spot"

"The Doctor's Wife"

"The Rebel Flesh"

"The Almost People"

"A Good Man Goes To War"

"Let's Kill Hitler"

"Night Terrors"

 
 
 

"The Doctor, The Widow and the Wardrobe" (2011 Christmas Special)  

 

[RETRO-WHO DOCBACKS - MOST RECENT DOCBACK IS HIGHLIGHTED]

"An Unearthly Child" (Story #1)

"The Daleks" (Story #2)

"The Edge of Destruction" (Story #3)

"Marco Polo" (Story #4)

"The Keys of Marinus(Story #5)

"The Aztecs" (Story #6)

"The Sensorites" (Story #7)

"The Sensorites" (Story #7 - full DVD release) 

"The Reign of Terror" (Story #8)

"Planet of Giants" (Story #9) 

"The Dalek Invasion of Earth" (Story #10)

"The Rescue" (Story #11) 

"The Romans"  (Story #12) 

"The Web Planet" (Story #13) / SHERLOCK - "A Scandal in Belgravia" (Story #4)

"The Crusade" (Story #14) 

"The Space Museum" (Story #15) 

"The Chase" (Story #16) 

"The Time Meddler" (Story #17) 

"The Gunfighters" (Story #25)

"The Colony in Space" (Story #58) 

"Day of the Daleks" (Story #60) + Preview of the DotD Special Edition

"Invasion of the Dinosaurs" (Story #71) and SHERLOCK: "The Reichenbach Fall" (Story #6) 

"The Android Invasion" (Story #83) and SHERLOCK: "The Hounds of Baskerville" (Story #5) 

"The Talons of Weng-Chiang" (Story #91)

"The Sun Makers(Story #95)

"The Awakening" (Story #131)

"Frontios(Story #132)

"The Caves of Androzani" (Story #136) 

"Time and the Rani" (Story #144)

"Paradise Towers" (Story #145) + New WHOvian Documentary / Newsbits

DOCTOR WHO: THE COMPLETE SIXTH SERIES 

Merrick's Personal Journey With The Doctor (How Merrick Got Hooked On DOCTOR WHO)

DOCTOR WHO Title Sequences & DW At Comic-Con 2011

"The Crash of the Elysium" (Manchester version - interactive DOCTOR WHO adventure)

Why Eccleston Left, Here Comes Caroline Skinner, And Season/Series Six Part 1 on Blu-Ray And DVD

New Trailer For Season/Series Six Part 2

 

 

 
DOCBACK CODE OF CONDUCT
 
1) a Docback should be about completely open and free discourse regarding all things WHO with, obviously, some variation on subject matter from time to time - the real world intervenes, discussions of other shows are inevitable, etc.)... 

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And, above all... 

3) converse, agree, disagree, and question as much as you want - but the freedom to do so is NOT a license to be rude, crass, disrespectful, or uncivilized in any way.  Not remaining courteous and civil, as well as TROLLING or undertaking sensational efforts to ignite controversy, will result in banning.  Lack of courtesy may receive one (1) warning before a ban is instigated.  Obvious Trolling or Spamming will result in summary banning with no warning.  One word posts intended to bump-up any Docback's figures on AICN's "Top Talkbacks" sidebar will be considered actionable Spam - they not only complicate efforts to access Docback from mobile devices, but impede readers' abilities to follow or engage in flowing conversation. 
 
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  • March 2, 2012, 9:12 a.m. CST

    Merrick! The video at the top of the page...

    by Mister Vertue

    I almost sent it to you, but didn't. Very glad to see that you found it anyway! Isn't it simply brilliant? A work of art.

  • March 2, 2012, 9:22 a.m. CST

    MOV re: video

    by Merrick

    I love it! My mind boggles at people who have the clarity of vision / organizational ability to pull such projects together. As long as Smith and Cumberbatch have a musical number in their forthcoming Doctor -vs- Master smack down...which this video proves conclusively would work...the world will be a shiny and wonderful place. ** (scampers away quickly, ducking and dodging flying objects) **

  • March 2, 2012, 9:45 a.m. CST

    The Pandorica Opens

    by Mister Vertue

    Let's not forget that the Drahvins were name-checked in that episode. Good to know that they're still out there somewhere, isn't it? So close to seeing them, and yet so far. For now anyway.

  • March 2, 2012, 9:47 a.m. CST

    Pandorica

    by spikeandjezebel

    I was just about to mention that, but it took me too long to find my password! :) Perhaps Amy Pond could be revealed as a Drahvin agent at some point - she certainly could fit the costume!

  • March 2, 2012, 9:49 a.m. CST

    Good morning DocBackers!

    by gotilk

    Great to see a DocBack on an early Friday morning. It really makes my day/weekend! And yes that video was brilliant!

  • March 2, 2012, 9:58 a.m. CST

    Cumberbatch as the Master

    by Mister Vertue

    Don't get me wrong, I don't think for one second that Benedict couldn't pull it off, because he would blow people's minds in that role. There's absolutely no doubt about that. It just doesn't sit right with me having him be Sherlock *and* The Master at the same time. But hey, what do I know? It'll probably happen next year, won't it? I'm usually in the minority when it comes to these things!

  • March 2, 2012, 9:59 a.m. CST

    Aww.. no Whotininnies.

    by gotilk

    But I forgive you because the last two were so entertaining. Any chance of one popping up this weekend?

  • March 2, 2012, 10 a.m. CST

    Cumberbatch as the Master

    by gotilk

    I'd rather wait patiently for him to take over *another role* if you know what I mean.

  • March 2, 2012, 10:06 a.m. CST

    gotilk

    by ByTor

    Yeah, not a bad suggestion at all. But I'd be fine with him in either role. Someday I'd love to see a new Doctor be...an old one. Wouldn't it just blow fandom's collective mind if Smith suddenly regenerated into Tennant or Eccleston?

  • March 2, 2012, 10:09 a.m. CST

    Cumberbatch as Master

    by Merrick

    For the record, I was kidding about Cumberbatch being the Master & attempting to affectionately annoy MoV. I tend to agree with those saying Cumberbatch's presence on current WHO would be distracting and gimmicky. My *personal* feeling is that any return of the Master ought to bring with it an unexpected flavor (I've previously championed folks like Craig Ferguson or Brian Blessed for the role). I.e. a Master who brings badassness to the dynamic, but also something compelling and askew. But that's just me.

  • March 2, 2012, 10:12 a.m. CST

    Whotininnies

    by Merrick

    Strong likelihood of an installment over the weekend. My five year old was down with strep and/or tonsillitis all week & my SO was away for symphony rehearsals...effectively turning me into Mr. Dad and shorting out my recording times. This weekend should be better...presuming Ken is in place and still has ear drums. When I spoke to him on the phone yesterday, he sounded like Patty and Selma from THE SIMPSONS, so recording could be fun.

  • March 2, 2012, 10:22 a.m. CST

    bytor - That's a truly radical idea, maybe *too* radical

    by Mister Vertue

    Especially when we can visit old Doctors by crossing his own timestream. However, I'd love to see the new Doctor be an old one in terms of being played by an older actor, maybe a Hugh Laurie or a Stephen Fry. Imagine Laurie as the Doctor and Fry as the Master. Now *that* would be a combo.

  • March 2, 2012, 10:24 a.m. CST

    A thought on the Master...

    by Red43jes

    Why is it that we always seem to wind up with the "current"Master, but never PAST Masters? I mean, there has been Roger DelGado's Master, then there was the rotting flesh Master, then Anthony Ainley's Master. When the new series of Who started, we saw 2 more Masters...Derek Jacobi and then the most recent, John Simm. So, being that the Doctor travels in time, how is it that he ALWAYS ends up meeting up with the most current Master? Why isn't it that he couldn't run into Rotten flesh Master, or even a past regenerated Master we hadn't seen on screen? For that matter, why not have the Master meet up with past selves and help him out? Hey, the Doctor has done it, why can't the Master?

  • This post-2005 Doctors are simply too powerful. Back in the day, the Time Lord Society, Guardians, and even Elementals kept the Doctor in check. He simply was not the most powerful being in the universe. Now.... He is destroying entire fleets at whim, and the galaxy basically cowers to a brooding deity. Dont get me wrong, I love the Nu-Who also and it is it many ways superior to the old stuff. I just want to see genuine fear and compliance from the Doctor. I think that he would be more impressive as a character then. currently he is suffering from Superman syndrome..... Way overpowered.

  • March 2, 2012, 10:27 a.m. CST

    CHUMBLIES!!!!

    by Perigee

    Boy oh boy, I hope I'm the first to say that. They should have continued. Far better name than ~Dalek~. Genesis of the Chumblies Planet of the Chumblies Chumblies in Manhattan... Smith whalloping on one with a huge spanner, hollering, ~I Am The Doctor, And You Are A CHUMBLIE!!! Missed opportunity, sez I. (Loved the viddy at the top, BTW. That Seve Moffat is a strange little boy. I like him a lot.)

  • March 2, 2012, 10:28 a.m. CST

    Oops, forgot...

    by Red43jes

    Eric Roberts. not a bad performance by him, but not the best Master, either.

  • March 2, 2012, 10:45 a.m. CST

    leaving the chronological order

    by PDepew2181

    I know you've skipped around a bit, but I see you also neglected to mention the tease at the end of Galaxy 4 which sets up the one-off Doctor-less episode "Mission to the Unknown," which leads into the super-epic "Daleks' Master Plan." Talk about a frustrating viewing experience when 9 of 12 episodes are lost and an absolute ton of things occur.

  • March 2, 2012, 11:06 a.m. CST

    pdepew2181

    by Merrick

    *** I know you've skipped around a bit*** This happens because new and restored DVDs are released on a regular basis - jumping track to cover them 1) keeps fans apprised of what's newly available, and 2) gives us a chance to shake-up the flavor of the Docbacks a bit as we progress. Ultimately, we'll have built an entire, cross-referenced chronology for the entirety of the show. (as much as possible) - the beginnings of which can be seen via the 'Previous Docback' links above. *** but I see you also neglected to mention the tease at the end of Galaxy 4 which sets up the one-off Doctor-less episode "Mission to the Unknown," which leads into the super-epic "Daleks' Master Plan." *** I didn't 'neglect' this - I chose to hold reference to it until my "Mission to the Unknown" write-up (I often say something like "Introduced at the end of the previous episode, ___")

  • March 2, 2012, 11:09 a.m. CST

    Merrick

    by PDepew2181

    Yea, I've noticed you always hit the new releases, and there's always new ones every month. That's actually a problem for me because I already own some of the ones that are now getting special edition treatment and I'm reluctant to buy anything that's now Blu Ray anymore. So does this mean you've already "seen" Mission to the Unknown?

  • March 2, 2012, 11:19 a.m. CST

    Galaxy Four

    by HornOrSilk

    I really can't say much other than Ian Levine seems to love the story and his memory of episode 3 was that he was correct for his love. I read the novel so long ago, save for the outline, I don't remember the details, and it is one of the audios I don't have for the lost stories. Nonetheless, despite Ian's love for it, it never seemed special to me. I plan to be surprised and amazed when I see the episode before I comment more.

  • March 2, 2012, 11:20 a.m. CST

    Cumberbatch doesn't play the Master

    by HornOrSilk

    But don't be surprised if there is a new Time Lord introduced, "The Detective." ;)

  • March 2, 2012, 11:39 a.m. CST

    pdepew2181

    by Merrick

    ** So does this mean you've already "seen" Mission to the Unknown? ** I haven't yet, but I am somewhat familiar with it. I deeply hope it is someday recovered as I'm a big proponent of TV shows shaking up their formats a bit - which "Mission" seems to.

  • March 2, 2012, 12:04 p.m. CST

    The Chumblie Invasion of Earth

    by DoctorTom

    you forgot that one, Perigee.... then there's the ones like: Revenge of the Chumblies Chumblies of Fear The Chumblie's Master Plan Remembrance of the Chumblies Then it could devolve into: The Chumblie in Space Pyramids of Chumblies The Chumblie Patrol The Chumblie Dances Bad Chumblie The Chumblie Pit The Chumblie's Daughter The Quark and the Chumblie (because they've already used unicorns and wasps) The Impossible Chumblie Day of the Chumblie Curse of the Black Chumblie The Chumblie's Wife The Rebel Chumblie The Almost Chumblie A Good Chumblie Goes To War Let's Kill Chumblie Night Chumblies The Chumblie Who Waited The Chumblie Complex Chumblie Time The Wedding of Chumblie (btw, it's amazing how easily Season 6 lends itself well to substituting Chumblie for a word) And, finally, when they've outlived their purpose, we'll get: The Chumblie Dilemma Chumblielash Time and the Chumblie A Fix With Chumblies Death Comes to Chumblie whereupon their resurrection will be tried years later with the web-broadcast Scream of the Chumblie. Dimensions in Chumblies

  • March 2, 2012, 12:09 p.m. CST

    doctortom - What I want to do right now...

    by Mister Vertue

    Is drop everything I'm doing (which would be a very, very bad idea right now) and begin writing each and every one of those Chumblie stories that you've titled. I'm not even joking.

  • and some that Season 6 addresses - his whole notoriety with him being able to scare armies at the mention of his name, and taking down an army in 3 minutes 42 seconds. They're trying to have him fade into the background more with the next series - how successful he is at this we'll see. But, it would be interesting to take someone who knew the Doctor from the old days and point out how he is now, just to emphasize things more. The Master is old hat and not a good one for this. If you're not going to get Cumberbatch playing the Master, then I would suggest trying to get him to come in and play the Meddling Monk, and point out how much the Doctor has changed from his first incarnation. The Doctor nowadays is verging very close to the type of activity the Monk used to do. Cumberbatch would be able to make it very powerful; he'd be able to hold his own against Smith, and we'd have a case where neither side could be said to be clearly right or wrong (so what if the Monk sided with Daleks? The Doctor has also).

  • March 2, 2012, 12:13 p.m. CST

    MOV - I know the feeling

    by DoctorTom

    although things like The Chumblie Dilemma and Chumblielash might be better left unwritten. I'd love to see Moffat do an episode called Chumblie Time or The Quark and the Chumblie though (and there, we could rehabilitate two old robotic types!)

  • March 2, 2012, 12:13 p.m. CST

    Okay, work has just commenced on...

    by Mister Vertue

    'An Unearthly Chumblie'. You have a lot to answer for sir.

  • March 2, 2012, 12:14 p.m. CST

    A miniaturized Chumblie story...

    by Merrick

    "I'm So Chumblie In My Tumbly"

  • March 2, 2012, 12:15 p.m. CST

    The Good, The Bad, And The Chumblie

    by Merrick

  • March 2, 2012, 12:19 p.m. CST

    Be Free or Die Chumblie

    by HornOrSilk

    Well, it has to be done.

  • March 2, 2012, 12:35 p.m. CST

    The Impossible Chumblie

    by CHRISTIAN_BALE_TRASHED_MY_LIGHTS

    THE DOCTOR: 'It's a Chumblie' ROSE: 'Not it isn't' THE DOCTOR: 'No... maybe it isn't' ROSE: 'Actually, maybe it is.' THE DOCTOR: 'Is it?' ROSE: 'I'm not sure.' THE DOCTOR: 'So it's somehow a Chumblie and yet not a Chumblie!' ROSE: 'Is that even possible' THE DOCTOR: 'No..... it's..... impossible.' *ROLL OPENING SEQUENCE*

  • March 2, 2012, 12:37 p.m. CST

    I expect this Docback to exceed 1,000 posts

    by Mister Vertue

    95% of which will contain the word 'Chumblie'. Brilliant.

  • March 2, 2012, 12:39 p.m. CST

    The Chumblie Invasion of the DocBack

    by HornOrSilk

    What a way for Galaxy Four to win.

  • It's Chumbliebatch.

  • March 2, 2012, 12:50 p.m. CST

    M.O.V

    by CHRISTIAN_BALE_TRASHED_MY_LIGHTS

    Anything you can Chumblie, I can Chumblie better! I can Chumblie anything better than you.

  • March 2, 2012, 12:55 p.m. CST

    Truly, Madly, Chumblie

    by gotilk

    Starring Alan *Chumblie-Lover* Rickman.

  • March 2, 2012, 12:56 p.m. CST

    Edward Chumbliehands

    by gotilk

    Chumblie Depp.

  • March 2, 2012, 12:57 p.m. CST

    Harry Chumblie and the Order of the Daleks

    by HornOrSilk

    Perfect title for a story

  • I know that Rani is the sexy choice amongst fans. But the Meddling Monk does offer promise especially now that the Master has been visited so many times. Romana coming back from E-Space perhaps could work also. She was a strong character and a fellow Time Lord that could nullify a lot of the "You-can't-possibly-understand-me" vibe that the Doctor emits.

  • March 2, 2012, 12:59 p.m. CST

    Rise of the Planet of the Chumblies

    by gotilk

    Serkis deserved the Oscar.

  • March 2, 2012, 1:05 p.m. CST

    Chumblie Man: The Dark Bot Rises

    by HornOrSilk

    "##%@%@^#^#^&#" -- Bane

  • I really think the character should be retired forever now. His story is well and truly told at this point, and the final appearance was everything a fan could ever have hoped it to be - saving the Doctor from the Time Lords. It was the sort of thing that, as a kid, seeing Logopolis, I just really wanted to happen. The Doctor and The Master, if not friends again, then at least working together for common cause, and the Master giving his life to save the Doctor. Does Doctor Who really have to be like comic books, where no progress is ever made? A segment of fans must always be catered for, in their desire to see the same villains over and over and over again, with all the reassurance you'd need to pacify someone with OCD? He may be the Doctors Moriarty, but the Professor died too, you know. And didn't come back. And Holmes continued to sell stories for years afterwards.

  • March 2, 2012, 1:18 p.m. CST

    Star Wars Ep 1: The Phantom Chumblie

    by Michael_Jacksons_Ghost

    Followed by: Ep 2: Attack of the Chumblies Ep 3: Revenge of the Chumblie Ep 4: A New Chumblie Ep 5: The Empire Strikes Back Ep 6: Return of the Chumblie My fingers will not let me key in The Chumblie Strikes back.

  • March 2, 2012, 1:27 p.m. CST

    v'shael - the Master

    by HornOrSilk

    Actually, I don't want him to be gone, but I would like his story to change. Now the drums are gone. He wants to be friends with the Doctor, but the Doctor doesn't trust him. Change - that's the key.

  • March 2, 2012, 1:28 p.m. CST

    Indiana Jones and the Crystal Chumblie

    by HornOrSilk

    Much better than anything Lucas can bring now.

  • March 2, 2012, 1:30 p.m. CST

    Live Free or Die Chumblie

    by DoctorTom

    Yippie Ki Yay, Drahvinf***er

  • March 2, 2012, 1:31 p.m. CST

    Chumblie II: Electric Boogaloo

    by DoctorTom

    since this was going to show up as a title at some point.

  • March 2, 2012, 1:32 p.m. CST

    Chumblie Against the World Crime League

    by DoctorTom

    guest starring Peter Weller and William Shatner

  • March 2, 2012, 1:34 p.m. CST

    Chumblie-Wamba: I Get Knocked Down

    by Afzal

  • March 2, 2012, 1:35 p.m. CST

    Chumblie-Checker and the Fat Boys: Doing the Twist

    by Afzal

  • March 2, 2012, 1:37 p.m. CST

    v'shael: Master needs an extended break

    by Afzal

    Call back in 8 years Master

  • March 2, 2012, 1:38 p.m. CST

    BMX Chumblie Bandits

    by Afzal

  • March 2, 2012, 1:38 p.m. CST

    Street Fighter II: The Revenge of Chumblie

    by Afzal

  • as long as we are (meaning I am) using titles for proposed sequels that never got made. The question is whether anybody can identify the original movie title without having to resort to google, wiki, imdb or something along those lines.

  • All brought to you by Scott in his old age.

  • March 2, 2012, 1:41 p.m. CST

    hornorsilk - that might actually not be bad

    by DoctorTom

    though he might change his name from the Master in order to show the change in attitude. I don't think they should go with The Artist Formerly Known As The Master, though.

  • March 2, 2012, 1:43 p.m. CST

    michael_jacksons_ghost - solved your problem

    by DoctorTom

    you don't type the Chumblie Strikes Back - you verbify the name - The Empire Chumblies Back (well, it's still better than The Empire Strikes Chumblie)

  • March 2, 2012, 1:44 p.m. CST

    doctortom or

    by HornOrSilk

    He might keep the title after it is given back to him at a Tibetan Monastery when the Yeti show up.... imagine that ;)

  • March 2, 2012, 1:45 p.m. CST

    The Empire Chumblies Back

    by HornOrSilk

    There. All solved.

  • March 2, 2012, 1:46 p.m. CST

    A Chumblie At The Races

    by DoctorTom

    along with the other movies starring them: A Chumblie At the Opera Chumblie Feathers Chumblie Soup

  • March 2, 2012, 1:47 p.m. CST

    Ghost in the Chumblie

    by HornOrSilk

    Ghost in the Chumblie II: Chumblie Alone Complex

  • March 2, 2012, 1:48 p.m. CST

    oooh, nice plot twist there, horn

    by DoctorTom

    So, we get the Master and the Yeti and the Great Intelligence, and it takes the combination of the Master and the Doctor to stop the plan.

  • March 2, 2012, 1:50 p.m. CST

    double feature: The Maltese Chumblie and Chumblieblanca

    by DoctorTom

    with both starring Chumblie Bogart

  • March 2, 2012, 1:50 p.m. CST

    The Weeping Chumblie Solution

    by Perigee

    Ya see, the really Nifty thing about the Chumblies is that the seeds of their defeat are inherent in their design, just like the Weeping Angels. In defense mode, the Chumblies collapse down upon themselves - a high-rise turtle.When the threat is passed, up they pop. Now - follow me - looking at these fellers, and the way they operate, I was reminded of my youth. And my youth is pretty far back down the line. Pre-video game. In my day, you whippersnappers, we had to go to the arcade and do the bump with a sturdy Midway. An honest-to-God pinball machine. And up in the top 3rd of the board, you had these three mini-chumblies called "pop bumpers" that would repel the pinball at great speed - often into another pop bumper. SO. Imagine being stalked by a herd of menacing Chumblies. One bowling ball could take out a battalion for an indefinite period of time. Heck, catch 'em in a hallway, and you might be able to lock 'em up for weeks.

  • March 2, 2012, 1:54 p.m. CST

    Docteur Qui - for Francophiles

    by Mister Vertue

    Not sure if we have any Francophiles in here, but I have a couple of nice links. Firstly, the truly hilarious Bill Bailey: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p18w4VhL8zI And secondly, this interview from Le Village which was conducted a week or so ago: http://www.a-suivre.org/levillage/steven-moffatt-un-tour-de-magie-n-est-pas-si-difficile-a-faire-quand-on-connait-le-truc.html If you don't speak French very well (which I don't, sadly), I seem to recall 'The Moff' mentioning something about preferring new monsters to old ones. Which leads me to my next post...

  • March 2, 2012, 1:55 p.m. CST

    doctortom see -- there are ways to bring back the Master right

    by HornOrSilk

    And the glorious thing with my solution is that we know his story continues but we get to see the resolution to the ending of "The End of Time" this way. We never saw what happened to the Master; I am sure the Great Intelligence would have noticed the Time Lord activity!

  • March 2, 2012, 1:55 p.m. CST

    Wow, perigee, grisly thought

    by DoctorTom

    The thing is now I have the picture of a bowling ball bouncing between a bunch of Chumblies until ejected at high speed at an opponent. It might not actually be a flaw but a deliberate design feature for them - a deliberate attack by projectiles gets ricocheted between the Chumblies until ejected at high speed back at the person who originally launched it. Maybe they can do the equivalent for some energy attacks. It would make a Dalek vs Chumblie battle amusing.

  • March 2, 2012, 1:57 p.m. CST

    Hornorsilk - A Doctor, a Master and a Monk walk into a bar...

    by DoctorTom

    add the Monk to the mix of the Doctor and a reformed Master, and you could end up with the Time Lord equivalent of the Three Musketeers.

  • March 2, 2012, 1:57 p.m. CST

    perigee - BOWLING FOR CHUMBLIES- a great idea!

    by Merrick

  • March 2, 2012, 1:59 p.m. CST

    A climactic quote

    by Dreamfasting

    This line on the BBC website has had me a little confused: "Prepare yourselves for thrills, adventures and dramatic surprises as the show builds towards its enormous, climactic 50th anniversary year."<BR><BR>What exactly do they mean by "climactic"?

  • March 2, 2012, 2:01 p.m. CST

    Possible *SPOILERS*?

    by Mister Vertue

    Sorry to disrupt the Chumblie fun (actually, I'm not sorry at all, I'm really not) but I wanted to ask for your predictions for the two monsters who are supposed to be popping up in the new series. It's pretty much been confirmed that we'll be seeing the return of two old foes, and it's definitely not enemies that we've seen since the 2005 restart (so no Daleks or Cybermen), so I'm curious to know who you'd like to see come back! We may think we're 99.9% sure of the identity of at least one of the two returning baddies, but we may actually be wrong to even assume that with any degree of certainty. I'm sure we have one or two surprises ahead of us in 2012.

  • March 2, 2012, 2:03 p.m. CST

    MOV my predictions

    by HornOrSilk

    Zygons Seaweed-- because the BBC needs to keep its (c). Ok, no to Seaweed then it is going to be: The Toymaker.

  • March 2, 2012, 2:03 p.m. CST

    But MOV, I am thinking a third might come back now

    by HornOrSilk

    Chumblies are a must

  • March 2, 2012, 2:04 p.m. CST

    You could have the Dalek in Pete's universe be called Chumblie.

    by Michael_Jacksons_Ghost

    Do another dimension crossover, just so we can hear the Doctor say "Chumblie Whumblie"!

  • March 2, 2012, 2:06 p.m. CST

    Are Chumblies roughly the size of A Blue Blob Called Steve?

    by Merrick

  • Take it as you will - the depth of the fury can only be known by Steve.

  • March 2, 2012, 2:13 p.m. CST

    Merrick - I can indeed confirm...

    by Mister Vertue

    ...that Steve is about the same size as a Chumblie. However, that is not to say he actually *is* a Chumblie, but you already knew that. He's a blob, plain and simple. And blue. Obviously.

  • March 2, 2012, 2:13 p.m. CST

    The interview/discussion posted by MOV...

    by Merrick

    ...this one... http://www.a-suivre.org/levillage/steven-moffatt-un-tour-de-magie-n-est-pas-si-difficile-a-faire-quand-on-connait-le-truc.html ...is quite interesting. Thanks for sharing that video, MOV. Make sure you scroll down to the bottom of the page to see the embed in which Moffat speaks English, instead of staring blankly at a page full of French and nearly clicking away...like I did.

  • General Buck Turgidson: Mr. President, if I may speak freely, the Drahvine talks big, but frankly, we think she's short of know how. I mean, you just can't expect a bunch of ignorant peons to understand a machine like some of our boys. And that's not meant as an insult, Mr. Ambassador, I mean, you take your average Drahvin, we all know how much guts she's got. Hell, lookit look at all them them Rills killed off and they still wouldn't quit. **** Dr. Strangechumblie: Mein fuhrer, I can chumblie! *** Gen. Turgidson: Yeah. I think it would be extremely naive of us, Mr. President, to imagine that these new developments are going to cause any change in Drahvin expansionist policy. I mean, we must be... increasingly on the alert to prevent them from taking over other Chumblie space, in order to breed more prodigiously than we do, thus, knocking us out in superior numbers when we emerge! Mr. President, we must not allow... a Chumblie gap!

  • March 2, 2012, 2:15 p.m. CST

    MOV - I'd like see...

    by Peter

    ... Homunculus from Talons of Weng Chiang back. That creepy little bugger gave me nightmares, which is, after all, what Doctor Who is for! But really, I agree with you - I don't want to see the Doc go toe to toe with too many remastered foes from the original series. I'm all for continuity and nostalgia, mind you, so BRING BACK BESSIE!! In terms of breaking new ground, here's an idea for a doc-lite episode; a day in the life of the Tardis. I'd really like to more than the console room and a couple of corridors in this iconic vessel. Show us the library and the pool, sure, but oh what wonders, what strange secrets, what infinte, imaginative possibilities this vessel offers.

  • Eeewww. But fascinating.

  • March 2, 2012, 2:16 p.m. CST

    MOV - returning things

    by DoctorTom

    I'm fairly sure the Yeti will be back, and I suspect the Zygons also.

  • March 2, 2012, 2:17 p.m. CST

    petermck - YES!!

    by Merrick

    The Peking Homunculus!! But make him nastier and bitchier than ever.

  • March 2, 2012, 2:17 p.m. CST

    Merrick just watch this video

    by HornOrSilk

    I think you can see a blob in it; alas, it's in b/w so hard to know if blue: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PXZB_47FQFU

  • because nothing would be better than having Rutan Steve the blue blob AND Chumblies the same season.

  • March 2, 2012, 2:18 p.m. CST

    Maybe it's just me...

    by Peter

    ...but I'm so over the whole Chumblie phenomena. It was great while it lasted, but I feel the writers have wrung every last drop of juice from the Chumblie plots. The Chumblies are no threat any more - the good Doctor always beats them! Time to rest them for a while and find a new big bad. Maybe they could bring the Gribblies back?

  • March 2, 2012, 2:28 p.m. CST

    Ah, petermck, that's what they WANT you to think

    by DoctorTom

    Unbeknownst to most people, the Chumblies were actually the evil masterminds in the background who manipulated things so that the Daleks and Time Lords would have the Time War so that the fight would end up with a mutual take out (more or less) so that the universe was free of their influences, ready to be conquered by the Chumblies. Bad Wolf? The Anne Droid was actually a Chumblie wearing a disguise, while subjecting Rose to subliminal conditioning to invoke the Bad Wolf. The Master? The Chumblies gave him a lift to the end of time when he was running away from the Time War. They kept the Chameleon Arch. Cracks in Time? The Chumblies caused them. The Silents? A religous order that actually worships the Chumblies, but they're not allowed to admit that to anybody outside the order. The Flesh? A Chumblie invention they came up with while experimenting with human subjects and modified Chameleon arches. The Teselecta? Chumblie design. Special hover-chumblies were created and are called anti-bodies. They're just waiting for the signal for the invasion to begin before they reveal themselves and take over the ship (and its sister ships, if there are any). The Headless Monks? Designed by the Chumblies, of course. The Monk's heads are often volleyed between Chumblies with their special Chumblie action.

  • March 2, 2012, 2:32 p.m. CST

    Can't wait till Monday...

    by s0l

    Dirk Gently returns for a 3 episode run... BBC4 9pm

  • March 2, 2012, 2:46 p.m. CST

    John Chumblie of Galaxy Four

    by HornOrSilk

    A story which has constantly been in the works, but never really made.

  • March 2, 2012, 2:54 p.m. CST

    Selachian - Jim The Fish.

    by Perigee

    Nawww. Y'know what would be fun to see again, with modern CGI? The Mandragora Helix.

  • March 2, 2012, 3:12 p.m. CST

    Older doctors

    by Johnboy40

    Bill Nighy. Art malik. Eddie Izzard (now, that could be a return to flamboyant costumes for the doctor). Jacobi as the master was a missed opportunity. Apparently, Brian blessed likes to kick his arse and he enjoys it.

  • March 2, 2012, 3:25 p.m. CST

    Key of Time Needs to Be Found Again

    by Afzal

    You know all of the crap that is supposedly time-clocked? viola, here is the key ;)

  • March 2, 2012, 3:55 p.m. CST

    Thanks for reminding me of Dirk Gently on Monday, sOl !

    by DoctorTom

    I saw that Amazon UK is already taking preorders for the DVD that will come out March 26 (the Monday after the last ep broadcasts), and they'll include the pilot as well as the 3 episodes for this season. So, I imagine that on Monday, if it doesn't get a separate thread, this thread will also become a Douglas Adams memorial Dougback.

  • March 2, 2012, 3:56 p.m. CST

    Perigee, I wouldn't mind seeing the Mandragora Helix again

    by DoctorTom

    I do wish, though, that they had gone with the original idea in The Sarah Jane Adventures to make that the Mandragora Helix in that one episode. It would have been a nice nod for Sarah Jane to have a sequel to one of her adventures with the Doctor that the Doctor wasn't involved with.

  • Of course, maybe there's still a Time Lord who's around in the universe, trying to track down the segments of the Key (*cough* Romana? *cough*, though given the way the Time Lords turned out, I could see her claiming to be a conscientous objector and would only look for the Key to Time to help out the other races who got caught in the crossfire)

  • March 2, 2012, 4:32 p.m. CST

    My preference for a returning monster..

    by SminkyPinky

    The Ice Warriors, even though it's probable already been said here. I once heard them referred to as the potential Klingons of Who, in terms of culture. I think there''d be a lot of potential for moral problems and grey areas. And of course, the Zygons. Still one of the best designs in Who's entire history.

  • March 2, 2012, 4:32 p.m. CST

    Returning villains/monsters

    by Stegman84

    I have no idea, but I think any of the following could be successfully brought back and made to fit in to the modern series dynamic easily enough: The Draconians (Frontier in Space) The Ogrons (Day of the Daleks, Frontier in Space) The Toymaker (The Celestial Toymaker) The Mara (Kinda, Snakedance) The Zygons (Terror of the Zygons) Omega (The Three Doctors, Arc of Infinity) The Monk (The Meddling Monk) Fenric (The Curse of Fenric) The Black Guardian (The Key to Time series, The Black Guardian trilogy) The Fendahl (Image of the Fendahl) Borusa (The Deadly Assassin, The Invasion of Time, Arc of Infinity, The Five Doctors) The Valeyard (Trial of a Timelord series) The Rani (The Mark of the Rani, Time and The Rani) The Dominators (The Dominators) The Yeti (The Abominable Snowmen, The Web of Fear, The Five Doctors) The Axons (Claws of Axos) The Rutans (Horror of Fang Rock) Sutekh (Pyramids of Mars) Sil/The Mentors (Vengeance on Varos and Mindwarp) The Krynoids (Seeds of Doom) The Destroyer (Battlefield) The Malus (The Awakening) Drashigs (Carnival of Monsters) The Kraal (The Android Invasion) Wirrn (The Ark in Space) Bok & Azal (The Daemons) Probably a few more as well. Fact is, Who history is littered with creations full of untapped potential, so I have no problem at all if they mine that well occasionally, just as long as they don't over do it and turn the show into a constant nostalgia-fest. But a couple of returns a season seems fair enough.

  • March 2, 2012, 4:33 p.m. CST

    Dude, Where's my Chumblie?

    by SminkyPinky

    Oh yes, there are more...

  • March 2, 2012, 4:33 p.m. CST

    Triumveritable Returns

    by Ken Plume

    Surely we'll see the epic combination of Steve, Chumblie, and The Kandy Man. The Kandy Man will be played by Paul Whitehouse. Brilliant. PS - Re: Whotininnies... You really want a new one? You're not sick of them yet? All those guys do is wallow in geeky cess, bad puns, giggle-fits, and inappropriateness. I mean, really...

  • March 2, 2012, 4:33 p.m. CST

    Aguirre, Wrath of Chumblie

    by SminkyPinky

  • March 2, 2012, 4:34 p.m. CST

    The Adventures of Buckaroo Chumblie

    by SminkyPinky

  • March 2, 2012, 4:35 p.m. CST

    Can't believe I left out the Ice Warriors...

    by Stegman84

    Especially as they've always been a favourite of mine. Someone must have reversed the polarity of my giddy aunt, or something...

  • March 2, 2012, 4:43 p.m. CST

    Chumblieninnies!!!!

    by DoctorTom

    That should be the title for the next Whotininnies podcast.

  • March 2, 2012, 4:49 p.m. CST

    The Ice Chumblies

    by HornOrSilk

    The Galaxy has done dry!

  • March 2, 2012, 4:50 p.m. CST

    Returning villain - Black Guardian

    by V'Shael

    If the Doctor has become too big, this would be one way to give him a dangerous foe.

  • March 2, 2012, 5:16 p.m. CST

    Sea Devils

    by cosmic_dolphin

    ...and Yeti are my two predicitions.....oh and Chumblie & the Chocolate Factory please !

  • March 2, 2012, 5:39 p.m. CST

    the black guardian

    by Koschei

    has already returned, in three separate Sarah Jane stories.

  • March 2, 2012, 5:40 p.m. CST

    re: the Chumblies

    by Koschei

    My dad loved this episode when he was a kid, and he used to always talk about the Chumblies when I first started watching Doctor Who back in the '80s. He was disappointed when I eventually told him these episodes were lost... will be good to be able to show him Episode 3 when it becomes available. Also, it will be awesome to finally see the Rills.

  • March 2, 2012, 5:41 p.m. CST

    kenplume re: whotininnies

    by Merrick

    ** PS - Re: Whotininnies... You really want a new one? You're not sick of them yet? All those guys do is wallow in geeky cess, bad puns, giggle-fits, and inappropriateness. ** When you put it like that...it sounds so awesome! When do we roll?

  • March 2, 2012, 6:22 p.m. CST

    The Kandy Man MUST Return

    by CHRISTIAN_BALE_TRASHED_MY_LIGHTS

    Surely one of the greatest Doctor Who villains in the show's entire history. If they could bring him back for the inevitable anniversary show in which the Seventh Doctor will no doubt appear, it would be awesome. Hell, let's have a Kandy Man VS Dalek episode. The people behind the show thought that we wanted to see the Daleks against the Cybermen but they were so very wrong. True DW fans have been crying out to see the pepperpots fight Kandy Man for years now. Make it happen Moff. Don't be a Chumblie.

  • March 2, 2012, 6:53 p.m. CST

    THE GREAT DOCTATOR - played by Charlie Chumblie!

    by wtriker1701

    Ok, having just returned from the outer rim - I was just in a "That's how the Chumblie crumbles" mood. Fellow Docbackers, I heart you all, though I'm in casual lurking mood atm. No worries, all's fine - just... not in the almost-regular mood... will change in a few. Platjenwerbe still exists in this world - and I'll be returning soon to share and glare... ;-)

  • March 2, 2012, 7:22 p.m. CST

    Glen -

    by Ken Plume

    It's like you don't even hear what I'm saying. You complete me.

  • March 2, 2012, 7:27 p.m. CST

    Spacebabes On The Rag!

    by Perigee

    Traditionally, deep space is not good for females; it makes them cranky. I guess it all started in 1936, with Princess Aura. But that might not have been entirely her fault; having an outlandish drag queen for a father probably scarred her. But a good squeeze from Prince Barin set her straight. Two years later, Azura, Queen of Mars joined forces with Ming - the prototype for Voyager's Queen Arachnia. She was a meany in her own right, un-convertable by testosterone. The war years, as far as I can remember, put the growing trope on the shelf, but it returned in full force in the fifties. Space Ranger Rocky Jones was pestered by the bratty Queen Cleolanta almost continuously, and over at the Space Patrol, Tonga - The Lady of Diamonds - was a louse and sister of Space Patrol's early nemesis Prince Baccarrati. Fortunately, they erased her brain and retrained her to be a nice girl in a miniskirt for the rest of the series. The small screen was not the only venue to find bitchy spacebabes. In ~The Queen of Outer Space,~ Queen Yllana was so pissed off she had actually banished all penis from Venus. Unfortunately for her, all her subjects were man-hungry, and it only took one crash-landing full of man meat to start a revolution of love. Galaxy 7's Maaga said that her people kept a few men around for what little good they did... so she learned one small lesson from Yllana: Drahvinian Gigolos... It did not do much to improve her temper, though. And of course, the much lauded and hoped for Rani is poking around the universe, playing interstellar Mengele. Star Trek was slightly kinder to women... except of course, for freaked out feminist Janice Lester who took over Kirks body and, while filing his nails, started ordering executions. Who else do we have..? The V lizard lady, Diana; hot looking, but the whole eating frogs thing... talk about morning breath.. Buck Rogers' Queen Ardala - part nympho, all maniac... Joan Collins on Moonbase Alpha, a Darian Man-eater... literally... Oh - crazy eyepatch Silence lady... Who am I missing?

  • March 2, 2012, 7:36 p.m. CST

    Hugs An Kisseys to ya, wtriker1701

    by Perigee

    Glad to see you could join the Chumblibration! Return in your own time, dude. We'll leave a light on for ya.

  • March 2, 2012, 8:03 p.m. CST

    ...and who could forget: Princess Invidia from "Star Blazers"

    by obijuanmartinez

  • March 2, 2012, 8:12 p.m. CST

    More returning foes - Yeti, Raston Warrior Robot(s)...

    by obijuanmartinez

  • March 2, 2012, 10:01 p.m. CST

    So it was a book burning

    by Have_Penis_Will_Travel

    I always thought those lost episodes were lost due to flood, fire, left behind during a move or some idiot throwing out the wrong boxes but they delibertly destroyed them what the hell were they thinking?

  • March 2, 2012, 11:24 p.m. CST

    Dibs on Chumblock!

    by veteran_of_mu

  • March 2, 2012, 11:33 p.m. CST

    The Pakistani Chumbly ...

    by veteran_of_mu

    Put Him In The Mint Yogurt!

  • March 2, 2012, 11:34 p.m. CST

    @koschei - black guardian / trickster

    by Dreamfasting

    Although there are a chain of references in off-show stories making the trickster and black guardian as having related backgrounds, they are still portrayed as completely seperate beings. I have very fond memories of the idea of the black guardian, having gotten hooked on Doctor Who at the start of the Key to Time arc. When the Doctor gave the "what if there was a man who knew a dangerous" secret speech to Churchill in The Wedding of River Song, my first through was that the most dangerous secret the Doctor knows is the true identity of the final segment of the Key to Time. Combined with the religious themes in the show, I spent quite a fair bit of the show trying to imagine how the current arc might be leading up to the black guardian being the ultimate villian. But when episode ended with the focus shifted to the question of the Doctor's own name, my theories fell apart.

  • March 2, 2012, 11:44 p.m. CST

    Toby Jones for 12th Doctor!

    by veteran_of_mu

    Really I think he's the only choice that would please me. Cumberbatch is far too busy and it really wouldn't do to have anyone younger than Matt Smith.

  • March 3, 2012, 12:12 a.m. CST

    Oh, and to bring back ...

    by veteran_of_mu

    K'anpo - who might not approve of some of the Doctor's choices. Morbius - because as a baddy he really does put the Master in the shade. And with modern FX he could be absolutely terrifying.

  • March 3, 2012, 4:07 a.m. CST

    Worst Ten Monsters

    by cosmic_dolphin

    ...are charted in this fanzine from 200 http://tinyurl.com/8x9au54 .....I wonder if any will appear in the new series eh ??

  • March 3, 2012, 4:07 a.m. CST

    I meant 2002...not 200

    by cosmic_dolphin

  • March 3, 2012, 8:50 a.m. CST

    Did anyone do Chumblie and The Chocolate Factory?

    by gotilk

    I can't imagine it was missed. This was fun.

  • March 3, 2012, 8:55 a.m. CST

    Returning monsters

    by Andy Buckle

    As other DocBackers have commented, there are loads of great monsters that could return. I'd be happy to see any of these: Zygons Ice Warriors Axons Yeti Omega Of course, my primary choice has to be Alpha Centauri. Come on, you know it makes sense!

  • March 3, 2012, 10:36 a.m. CST

    Alpha Centuari to return

    by HornOrSilk

    in the next season of Torchwood. As the ideal mate for Jack.

  • March 3, 2012, 10:46 a.m. CST

    Next season of Torchwood??

    by gotilk

    *pinches self* Oh crap, I AM awake.

  • March 3, 2012, 10:48 a.m. CST

    Sorry.

    by gotilk

    That was harsh.

  • March 3, 2012, 10:49 a.m. CST

    Chumbliewood

    by HornOrSilk

    Is the unofficial name of the next season of Torchwood.

  • March 3, 2012, 12:06 p.m. CST

    Returning monsters- I'd bet my mortgage on...

    by Mister Vertue

    ...the return of some scary siblings. 'The Triplet Dilemma' - Romulus, Remus and McCoyulus Sylveste. Word on the street is that Bieber has already signed on the dotted line. You can do spilt-screen these days without anyone seeing the join thanks to the wonders of CGI. The new series is going to be the best. The *best*!

  • March 3, 2012, 12:21 p.m. CST

    gotilk ...already called that one

    by cosmic_dolphin

    In the post title 'Sea Devils'..sorry couldn't resist

  • March 3, 2012, 12:31 p.m. CST

    CBS's Sherlock

    by DoctorTom

    A little known fact is that they were originally going to have a robot to be Watson. They were first thinking of one of the Japanese robots, then they saw the clip put on the web for Galaxy 4, and were going to title the series Elementary, My Dear Chumblie. Then, they decided later that sex would sell better, so they got Lucy Liu instead of a Chumblie costume. Not to say that they haven't totally gone away from the idea of Lucy Liu IN a Chumblie costume...

  • March 3, 2012, 2:28 p.m. CST

    American networks are ripping off the BBC as per usual.

    by Michael_Jacksons_Ghost

    CBS has the Sherlock knock off "Elementary", and NBC will be dumb enough to produce, wait for it......"Inspector Spacetime"! I think that the Chumblies would fit right in with the Inspector Spacetime universe.

  • I like Jonny Lee Miller! If we got in out TARDISes, set the clock back a couple years to the pre-Cumberbatch 'Sherlock' world, and BBC made the announcement that JLM would be it's new youngster Holmes, I'd be pleased as punch, and I'd wager a fair number of you would be too. While I am lukewarm to the idea of US TV following on the heels of 'Sherlock' so closely w/ its own offering (hey, at least Holmes isn't a Yank!), the other half of me is actually looking forward to seeing what ol' Zero Cool brings to the part!

  • March 3, 2012, 5:46 p.m. CST

    Don't know if anyone pointed this out...

    by notspock2

    BUUUUUUT season 6 is now up on netflix instant in the U.S.

  • March 3, 2012, 11:07 p.m. CST

    2001: A Space Chumblie

    by gotilk

    cosmic_dolphin Dang you beat me to it.

  • March 3, 2012, 11:52 p.m. CST

    michael_jacksons_ghost

    by gotilk

    Wouldn't an Inspector Spacetime Saturday morning spin-off be great!?? Or maybe for Sunday early evening at like 6PM like the old Wonderful World Of Disney time slot. 30 minutes, low budget, comedy-focused but takes itself slightly seriously. I think that show would be a blast and an homage more than a rip-off.

  • March 4, 2012, 12:44 a.m. CST

    no degenerations into Tennant or Eccleston...

    by lynxpro

    There's one actor who deserves to regain the role that he was cheated out of and that's Paul McGann, not Eccleston or Tennant. And Mr. McGann does want to reprise his role onscreen again. It should also be noted that Daphne Ashbrook and Yee Tso also want to reprise their roles as Grace and Chang-Lee but alas, that isn't in the hands of the BBC but actually NBC Universal who have apparently been galactic buttheads over the rights usage for any characters that were created for the 1996 TV Movie that the BBC didn't already own. All three of these actors confirmed this at GallifreyOne this year, both in front of all the attendees as well as in personal meetings with fans. Eric Roberts also told me he'd love to return as The Master and after the debacle that was the Cesar Romero-esque Master portrayed by John Simm [at the behest of RTD's writing; Simm wanted to actually play the role dark], I'd say bring it on. Hell, if a writer wanted to create an evil daughter of The Master, Eric's own daughter Emma Roberts would be a great selection...assuming an American actress could be cast...otherwise, go for Jemima Rooper. Just a thought.

  • March 4, 2012, 12:57 a.m. CST

    I want the Movellans back...

    by lynxpro

    ...just so one of them can kick a Dalek in its dome while proclaiming "I'm Rick James, b**ch!" I mean seriously, Rick James was definitely a Movellan.

  • March 4, 2012, 3:38 a.m. CST

    lynxpro -- yes, it's sad

    by HornOrSilk

    Big Finish could have/should have been able to do more with Grace and Chang-Lee.

  • March 4, 2012, 3:08 p.m. CST

    Inspector Chumblietime

    by DoctorTom

    I heard that the person doing Inspector Spacetime as a webseries isn't allowed to use the name Inspector Spacetime since he's doing it independent of the Community people. (I can't remember where I read this, but it was brought up somewhere this week - possibly at Bleeding Cool). So, I hope that he can take this as a suggestion for a substitute name which helps point out where Community got the character from

  • March 4, 2012, 3:22 p.m. CST

    Ah, of course

    by DoctorTom

    Just went to the Doctor Who News site - it was reported there, citing the Topless Robot site as where they got the info Mentioned on Doctor Who News site: Actor Travis Richey has been attempting to raise money to continue a Doctor Who spoof called Inspector Spacetime that appeared on NBC's Community in which he starred as a web-based series. However, having been told by NBC that he couldn't use the name, which is copyrighted to them, he has now renamed the project as Untitled Webseries About a Space Traveler Who Can Also Travel Through Time! **** the Topless Robot site says he's trying to raise the money through Kickstarter

  • March 4, 2012, 7:43 p.m. CST

    Inspector Spacetime

    by Michael_Jacksons_Ghost

    Great idea for a Saturday morning kids show. It could be a mixture of Doctor Who, and The Magic School Bus. What would happen if the show did begin production on NBC, the BBC would shut it down. Or in the first episode, Inspector Spacetime gets killed, and degenerates into a infant. The we have to wait another 20 years for the next episode. Thanks a bunch Chumblies......

  • March 5, 2012, 2:50 a.m. CST

    @lynxpro - I hadn't heard that about Paul McGann

    by V'Shael

    The last I saw, was a youtube clip from a convention where he was asked the question, and tactfully said only that he hadn't been asked. He didn't say he didn't want to do it. That's a real shame, because the guy is an amazing actor and we were properly cheated out of his take on the role. I guess I'll always keep hope alive, regardless. Much as how some people still fly in the face of evidence and reason to suggest Amy's house was a Tardis. :p

  • March 5, 2012, 2:53 a.m. CST

    The long game - or forgotten plot points?

    by V'Shael

    Watching some old episodes last night, after I came home drunk from the pub, I heard that voice in the Tardis again, when it was hijacked. (end of series 5 as I'm sure you all know) We thought that had something to do with the Silents/Silence at the time. Then there were theories that it was to do with some hidden big Bad, like Omega or the Black Guardian. But to this date, it's not been addressed. And in the Doctors personal time line, about 200 years or so have passed since then. So will it be addressed? Or is it a forgotten plot point? Thoughts? Comments?

  • March 5, 2012, 4:12 a.m. CST

    We've already seen McGann used in flashbacks ...

    by veteran_of_mu

    So I think it may just be Grace and Chang Lee who are caught in the red tape jail. And a certain homophone has heavily hinted that McGann will be back for the 50th.

  • March 5, 2012, 4:54 a.m. CST

    DEERSTALKER #1 - Child's Play

    by veteran_of_mu

    In ~Scandal in Belgravia~ Holmes remarks, ~On hearing a smoke alarm, a mother would look towards her child.~ So in SIP he plays the Cabbie the same way. He's doesn't look for clues. He generates them by probing: ~I am playing. This is my turn. [...] You didn't just kill four people because you're bitter. Bitterness is a paralytic. Love is a much more vicious motivator. Somehow, this is about your children.~ To which the cabbie responds, maudlin, ~When I die they won't get much, my kids.~ And in that moment of focusing on his children and his mortality the cabbie looks to the pill bottle on his left. That's where death is. Watch Sherlock's eyes. He just talked to the cabbie; and now he's going to kill himself. And then there's the misdirection about the gun and then, ~Just before you go, did you figure it out? Which one's the good bottle?~ Sherlock: ~Course. Child's play.~ And takes the bottle that sits to the Cabbie's left. Well, what do you say - is that proper thinking?

  • March 5, 2012, 10:29 a.m. CST

    v'shael - forgotten plot points

    by DoctorTom

    I hadn't forgotten the voice. It was attributed to the Silence, but I'm not convinced it was a Silent standing in the TARDIS at the time, since destroying the universe to save the universe seems kind of counterproductive. Given the Alliance of all the other alien races who KNEW that the TARDIS was going to destroy the universe, it seems strange to consider that the Silence would want to avoid having the Doctor being at the Fields of Trenzalore and hear the question that must not be asked, the one that will bring the end of time, by having the TARDIS destroy all of space and time beforehand. If the Silence were doing it, it would have to be with the foreknowledge that the cracks would be stopped by the Doctor, which implies they had knowledge of future activities of the Doctor. Possibly from the Doctor himself? Or someone with knowledge of the Doctor's future? The likely suspect list starts to narrow at this point. There are 5 categories (well, actually 2 with 2 specific subcategories, and one oddball suggestion that has to be made). 1. The Doctor himself. It could just be the Doctor in the future manipulating his past through use of the Silence, trying to make sure that what's supposed to happen in his past actually happens. It could be the Doctor who disappeared into the crack in The Big Bang in order to let the universe restart, still alive somehow on the other side of the crack (along with Rory?) and making sure the cracks happen so that he can stop it. For this one, the Doctor that Amy remembers back into existence would not be the same Doctor as the one who went into the crack. Or, it could just be a replay of one of the themes for Season 6 writ large - future Doc (post-Trenzalore) trying to make sure his past is set up appropriately in order to make sure that the right things happen. The key here is it's a Doctor trying to make sure his past is set up so the appropriate things happen. Would Moffat repeat something like this that echoes so strongly with The Impossible Astronaut/ The Wedding of River Song? I'm not sure. I suspect he might not visit that well again in quite the same way. 2. Variants of the Doctor. This is the subcategory. Here we're not talking the actual Doctor himself, but alternates or variants of his future. This would include the gangerDoc having come back and doing it for whatever reason, or it could be the Valeyard or Dreamlord (if you want to say they're different entities). These had been the Doctor with his knowledge, but have changed somewhat. Why they are doing it would depend on which one it is. 3. Beings who also seem to exist outside time, or at least can. Given what's happened, it would seem that it would have to be somebody who can see the future, and isn't necessarily experiencing Time in the same order as the Doctor (future actions of the Doctor already being known in the past by this entity). It's possible Omega fits here, but not necessarily; existing outside our normal universe might be a way to explain knowing the future events. The Great Intelligence might qualify, or someone like Fenric. Depending on when the Fields of Trenzalore take place, it could actually be the Time Agency working with/employing the Silence in order to avoid having the actions at the Fields of Trenzalore take place (they might not be a fixed point in time). It would be amusing if we find out that the two years that Captain Jack can't remember from his days at the Time Agency are due to actions of his trying to stop the Question being asked at the Fields of Trenzalore. That's a possibility, IF you could lock John Barrowman in for being in the story (or, if they can't, maybe using the Teselecta and its crew as a stand-in for Captain Jack? If it turns out to be this, it would be the Teselecta acting post-season 6.) 4. A Subcategory of this - it's River Song behind all of it. A River who knows all of the Doctor's actions up through the Fields of Trenzalore, and she's caught up in the same situation the Doctor was in The Impossible Astronaut - she's having to influence her own past without being seen to directly do it and break space and time as a result. Would Moffat do this? Possibly. 5. The curveball - the Chumblies are behind all of this! Don't be fooled by their cute pinball-bumper exterior, these are master manipulators who have set up everything (including the Time War, the cracks in time and the Silence) in order to put the universe in exactly the condition they want in order to take over everything. Bow down before your new Chumblie overlords!!!!!!!!! Okay, maybe not. Picking up another forgotten plot point, there's the question of whether this whole thing about the cracks and the Fields of Trenzalore is going to tie in with Rory having a badge with a 1990 date in The Eleventh Hour.

  • any of the specific incidents in the movie can't be referenced I would imagine, so you couldn't talk about the Daleks putting the Master on trial (which could easily be tied in with the Time War if they could talk about it) or the main plot of the movie. I wouldn't be surprised if the look of the TARDIS interior was covered by the red tape. Given that they could still show a McGann Doctor in the series, could they do the same with showing an Eric Roberts Master? (That's assuming they wanted to show him.) I suspect there's a legal grey area right there. It might be possible that the Doctor (or at least the 8th Doctor) being half-human gets caught up in the legal red tape so that it can't be mentioned again. Well, at least it makes a good excuse to never mention it in the show again, even if it was only that particular regeneration that was half human and that the Doctor wasn't pulling off an elaborate hoax.

  • March 5, 2012, 10:39 a.m. CST

    Caractuspotts - Deer Stalker #1

    by DoctorTom

    Both bottles are poisoned. The Cabbie had slowly been building up an immunity to iocane powder over the years - it would take a much larger dose to kill the Cabbie.

  • March 5, 2012, 12:06 p.m. CST

    I, for one, welcome our new Chumblie overlords.

    by gotilk

    Old meme, I know.

  • March 5, 2012, 12:20 p.m. CST

    Don't you like the way that just sounds though, Gotilk?

    by DoctorTom

    Bow down before your new Chumblie overlords. It begs to be used in a story.

  • March 5, 2012, 12:56 p.m. CST

    Returning Doctors

    by Mister Vertue

    Nothing is guaranteed, but we all know there's a very real possibility of it happening on a case-by-case basis. Who would turn down the chance of wearing their old costume one more time for a big anniversary celebration? They'd be nuts to say no, right?

  • March 5, 2012, 1:38 p.m. CST

    Invasion of the Cyber-Elves...

    by Mister Vertue

    The reindeer may have been thwarted, but there's a deadlier foe awaiting in the month of March - Cyber-Elves. They won't delete you, but they'll wrap you up so tightly that your last breath will have been expelled by the time the shiny bow has been placed on your corpse. Too morbid for December 25th? Nah! Okay, maybe just a little.

  • March 5, 2012, 1:53 p.m. CST

    @Doctom - Impossible.

    by veteran_of_mu

    That was the first thing I and everyone thought upon seeing S1E1. It's impossible because 1) Moffatt isn't that dull 2) Holmes knows what's in the pills - if it were possible to build an immunity he'd not consider throwing his life away by taking one. 3) Never go up against an Australian when death is on the line.

  • March 5, 2012, 2 p.m. CST

    Oh! Also it's an in-joke!

    by veteran_of_mu

    When you eliminate the inconceivable, whatever remains, no matter how improbable, must be the truth!

  • March 5, 2012, 2:05 p.m. CST

    Forgotten Plot Points - a double-edged sword

    by Perigee

    Bless him, The Moff is a clever fellow; but the problem is when people expect you to be more clever than you meant to be. Let's take The Silence, for example. All of season 5, we dealt with the spooky "Silence Will Fall." mumble. In Venice, it actually WAS silent. Then, season 6, we meet these guys "The Silence." So. Why does everyone and their grandma want to tell us that these guys are going to fall? Why is it supposed to be such an important thing? And what about these cracks that people fell through? Not the same as THE crack, because people remember what went through them. So - we have a choice of 3: 1) Either the silence that Is to fall isn't the Silence that fell. The Silence that fell certainly didn't seem worth so much awe and threat. Booga Booga!! - we made you develop a spacesuit. And Rayon. And Bologna. So we have another silence that was being referred to that was a very physical, remembered threat to the fish-vampires that now demands an explanation. 2) The Silence we saw falling presages the cracks that people remember stuff through - versus the cracks people couldn't remember stuff through. So - same problem: we're getting fetishistic on cracks and silences. 3) Season 5 was a big Silence Booga-Booga, and nobody had quite figured out the whole Silence/Crack thing before they started propagandizing it. So the silent silence became the BEM Silence, and the falling-through cracks became the falling-in cracks. In which case, you've had all the cracks and silence you're gonna get. So - if you're gonna throw Some stuff in for the long game, you're in danger of making people think Everything Means Something, and if it hasn't been explained yet, it surely will be down the road. Thus was LOST begun... and lost.

  • March 5, 2012, 2:36 p.m. CST

    Seven Silences

    by veteran_of_mu

    Perigee picks up on 1) the BEMs 2) the mysterious voice 3) the fish-vampires But there's also 4) in the library 5) lake Silencio 6) prisoner zero's prediction 7) the religious order - who we haven't seen to date All of which adds up to ... insufficient data. As for the cracks, the big inconsistency is that the one in Amy's room BOTH disappeared her parents and opened up to reveal the Atraxi prison. So ... either Moff has been bullshitting from the start, or the long game has longer to run. My money's on the latter.

  • March 5, 2012, 3 p.m. CST

    As long as it's money you can lose, caractacuspotts

    by Perigee

    I'm not saying either way is the way it is - all I'm saying is that I don't want to put the show in a position where I become disenchanted because of loose ends. That whole LOST backlash was gruesome, and I don't want to see folks abandoning a tremendous program IF it's not 100% interwoven over 4 years. It would be nifty if it does, in fact, wrap itself up in one amazing mural; but if it doesn't, I can deal with the frayed ends because of the juicy centers. As a lifer Trekkie, I know how fandom/fanaticism can turn expectation into vitrol. At cold winter conventions, you can raise the room temperature by ten degrees simply by yelling, "Chris Pine!" The Grand Moff deserves massive respect; but I'm not going to hold him to levels of preternatural cohesion. And, in a way, that's respect too - of the man and the number of balls he can reasonably (or unreasonably) be expected to juggle.

  • March 5, 2012, 4:22 p.m. CST

    Never fear, Perigee - if he does fsck it up …

    by veteran_of_mu

    We'll retcon it ourselves. I just don't think we'll get the opportunity.

  • March 5, 2012, 4:35 p.m. CST

    ... OK. As long as our version it has Chumblies in it.

    by Perigee

  • March 5, 2012, 4:36 p.m. CST

    ....................................... ^ OF it.....

    by Perigee

    I've retconned our retcon.

  • March 5, 2012, 5:07 p.m. CST

    11th Hour Observations

    by cosmic_dolphin

    It's all going to link back to this , trust in the Moff....When the Doctor is dangling out of the Out of Control Tardis it's very obviously a modern London below with the 02 Arena , London Eye etc. At the end of that sequence it looks like the Tardis may have clipped back into the time vortex...we never see it crash...But young Amy isn't in 6 years old in the same time period as those modern landmarks. She's praying to Santa ( or likely not , but someone/thing else ) for someone to fix the crack and it's as though the Tardis gets pulled in because she wished for it. You could brush this off as sexy's ability to take the Doctor 'where he needs to be' rather than where he wants to go but I think he was summoned, either by Amy herself or whatever/whoever she believes is Santa. There was several mentions of Faery tales in the production and script of series 5 , maybe Amy is writing her own. Also note that Santa brought her Dolls, pencils, and fish..Well we've had Vampire fish and Scary Dolls as the monsters ( I won't mention the scribble monster in the awful Fear Her ! ) ...and here's a stretch..Pencil..Leadworth. Maybe the year she was born circa 1990 ties in with Rory's badge and everything in her world is only what she can remember up until 1996 when the Doctor showed up. Hence Rory is the Roman from her History book etc. and she has no memory of the Daleks , Cybermen etc.

  • March 5, 2012, 6:07 p.m. CST

    @Man_Of_Vertue - Re: Returning Doctors

    by V'Shael

    Yes, we know nothings impossible. But I'm pretty sure my dreams go beyond the scope of BBC budgetary constraints. For example, in addition to seeing McGann back, I would love to see his regeneration scene into Christopher Ecclestone. If Chris won't come back to the show, use his face in a CGI composite shot or something. Silly, isn't it? But then, I do believe a certain Mr. Moffat wanted to be the Doctor Who show runner at a very early age... Life is funny some times.

  • March 5, 2012, 6:47 p.m. CST

    @caractacuspotts - we forgot the big open plot point...

    by Perigee

    The train back gave me "Hitler" - and a few reminders. The Silence is not a species - it is a movement. So, more on The Silence to come. BUT... Fish Fingers And Custard. The strange takeover of the Emergency voice control system by a Pond Sentience. THAT is Definitely a huge one.

  • March 6, 2012, 3:01 a.m. CST

    @Perigee - I think that (like the voice in the TARDIS)

    by V'Shael

    will either be a non-plot point which was put in for emotional punch rather than meaning anything in particular.... OR it will be part of an overlying plot which will hopefully be razor sharp in its brilliance and subtlety.

  • March 6, 2012, 11:25 a.m. CST

    v'shael - the voice

    by DoctorTom

    It could have been a computer virus infecting the TARDIS - a Silence virus. And, if it was a virus like that, it might have been developed in a computer somewhere. Now, where do we know of a powerful computer that could generate something sophisticated enough for that? In the Library. Where River Song's consiousness is. A River who's reached the end of her life, presumably after the Fields of Trenzalore, and knows exactly what must happen in the Doctor's life in order to keep the timestream intact.

  • I'm not sure if we want to stick with this one or go over to the other thread to continue it (I kind of like keeping the speculation here), but it's worth mentioning it so that, with my mention in another, earlier Docback, we now have the Three Docbacks dealing with the Three Doctors.

  • March 7, 2012, 5:03 a.m. CST

    Sounds good but ...

    by veteran_of_mu

    I think I'm hitting the Docbacks in reverse order to you. Which is to say ...

  • March 7, 2012, 8:29 a.m. CST

    does that mean we should call you Caractuspotts Song then?

    by DoctorTom

    Or would you prefer River Caractuspotts? Or a conflation of the two - Riverpotts or Caractusong?

  • with the prosecutor the Chumblieyard. Still, it would be better than The Chumblie and the Rani (unless you could do that as a comedy).

  • March 8, 2012, 9:39 a.m. CST

    In coming Chumblies

    by DoctorTom

    IN THE COMING WEEKS (sequentially) The Tomb of the Chumblies The Three Chumblies (Special Edition) The Face of Chumblie The Chumblies of Death

  • March 8, 2012, 11:25 a.m. CST

    What the BBC needs to put out for Doctor Who DVDs? ChumblieVision

    by DoctorTom

    special glasses that you put on so that all the villains in the story you're watching are changed so that they look like Chumblies. If they made DrahvinVision glasses I suspect they'd sell a lot more of those, though.

  • March 8, 2012, 7:16 p.m. CST

    Since I think Caractacus Potts is based in Atticus Finch …

    by veteran_of_mu

    It makes me a Boo Jem. Is that why SJW softly and silently vanished away?

  • March 8, 2012, 7:21 p.m. CST

    Ob. Chumbly

    by veteran_of_mu

    New movie from Sir Chumbly Scott: Chumbetheus!

  • March 9, 2012, 8:35 a.m. CST

    Opening today: John Chumblie of Mars

    by DoctorTom

    it would definitely make a difference in the story - instead of jumping over all the things because of Mars' lower gravity, he collapses in on himself to have the protective bumper dome.