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'Sensorites' Stink Up The Friday Docback!! DOCTOR WHO Story # 7, And More...




(l-r) Cameron and Jonny, Nephews of friend and WHOTININNIES cohort Ken Plume , as the 11th and 10th Doctors for Halloween 2011.  



Merrick here...

..with a look at "The Sensorites" - available on VHS (yes, you read that right) but not DVD...yet.  "Sensorites" DVDs are coming next year.  While I suspect my current lack of enthusiasm for this episode will have galvanized into full-scale loathing by that point, we'll revisit this story when the DVD hits nonetheless - looking at extras and whatnot.  Maybe they'll help us to determine what happened here?  

Huge thanks to Docbacker Bytor for setting me up with the necessary vids.  Hugely appreciated!  

Before we get started...



Murray Gold has been scoring  DOCTOR WHO since its 2005 relaunch -  his music has subsequently grown, evolved, and morphed as fully as the show itself.   I strongly contend that his scores for Season/Series 5 & 6 represent the best original music on any current television series - both ranking high among the greatest television scores ever composed (the original STAR TREK series would be another example of a truly bold and  classic TV score).  

I found Season/Series' 5 score a bit more fully realized than the recently concluded Season/Series 6 - but S6 is still a doozy in itself, and you can now pre-order a 2 CD set of S6's score HERE in the UK.  

No sign of US pre-orders yet, but I seem to recall Season/Series 5 was available digitally Stateside before the actual CDs hit...or am I misremembering the matter?  Please correct me in the Docbacks below if I'm wrong, which I may well be.  

Meanwhile, Gold's extraordinary score for DOCTOR WHO Season/Series 5 is still available HERE in the U.S. and HERE in the U.K.  Both links offer CDs, and/or downloads of either individual tracks or the entire score.  

Via DOCTOR WHO News Page.  




I dunno.  We're working on it.  Will post links.  



"THE SENSORITES" (Story #  7) 



Regular Docbackers may recall a fateful day back in June.  On that day, I set out to watch every DOCTOR WHO ever made, starting from the show's earliest 1963 episodes and working my way forward (more or less in sequence).  

At that time, many Docbackers warned me that rough patches lie ahead - that certain episodes may strain my patience, and even the show's overall credibility, to the breaking point.  With this in mind, and with some sense of budgetary and political context (by "political" I mean the show's sometimes strained interaction with BBC back in the day), I soldiered bravely foreword and have…on the whole…enjoyed what I've seen immensely.   
Sure, nearly every episode was imperfect.  A few stories were grand on the whole but let me down somewhere along the way.  Other stories were quite capable and solid, but not as fully realized as they might've been with a larger budget (such is the reality of many television series).  But, in general, the experience of watching WHO has been remarkable, eye opening, and in many regards, transformative. DOCTOR WHO - especially the show's current Moffat Model (Moffle?) - has truly re-jiggered my perception of storytelling, mythology, and the hows, whens, and whys of imagination.  Where and when to hold back, where/when to apply them, etc.  Until this week, as funky as DW could sometimes be, I hadn't once encountered a WHO that was anywhere near as rank as I'd been expecting…or as deeply unfortunate as folks had warned me the show could occasionally become.  I was beginning to wonder if readers were being too critical of the show, or if I was, perhaps, being too forgiving.
Then came "The Sensorites." 
In what is, fortunately, his soul script for the WHOverse, Peter R. Newman opens his story with The Doctor (William Hartnell) arriving on a disabled Earth vessel with companions Barbara (Jacqueline Hill), Ian (William Russell), and "granddaughter" Susan (Carole Ann Ford). 
Crew members Maitland (Lorne Cossettes), Carol Richmond (Ilona Rodgers) and John (Stephen Dartnell) are still onboard the vessel, having been forced into a dormant state by the inhabitants of the planet below.  That planet, we quickly learn, is called The Sense Sphere - and its occupants are called Sensorites.  "They are hostile, these Sensorites.  But in the strangest possible way. They won't let us leave this area of space, yet they don't attempt to kill us..." ponders Maitland in one of his waking moments (which are often difficult to distinguish from his sleepier mode).  
By the end of the story's opening episode we're introduced to The Sensorites themselves - who we first see crawling around on the outside of the ship's viewport like bugs an a car windshield.  
(l - a Sensorite, r- Burl Ives)
As the second and third installments of this six part tale unfolds, we learn more about the mystery of why this human ship has been deliberately kept in Sensorite space.  The current situation stems from an interesting backstory involving the species' failed first contact with humans ten years earlier - the Sensorites now fear that the catastrophe which befell their people the first time around may be compounded by this new batch of humans.  Furthermore, the Sensorites' telepathic perception tells them that one of these current visitors may be scheming to plunder the resources of the Sense Sphere, which doesn't help matters at all.  
That's a great set-up, and I've always been a sucker for stories exploring the ramifications of troubled first contact scenarios (Ray Bradbury's THE MARTIAN CHRONICLES, several episodes of the original STAR TREK series, and much of human history being good examples of this.  Bradbury was Best Man at my parents' wedding, by the way).  After a bit of hemming and hawing, our heroes make their way to the Sense Sphere in the hopes of brokering new and anxiety-free relations between humans and Sensorites.  Alas, a hyper-isolationist faction of Sensorites feels that healthy interaction with humans is impossible and should not to be trusted, and is willing to do anything to reinforce this point. 
So, "The Sensorites" is essentially STAR TREK VI: THE UNDISCOVERED COUNTRY, but told 27 years earlier and spun with considerably less budget and vigor.  Which is completely fine - DOCTOR WHO has proven time and time again that large budgets are not required to advance solid storytelling and sometimes remarkable characterizations and interpersonal moments.  The problem with "The Sensorites" is several fold, but chiefly lies with the Sensorites themselves.  
They just aren't interesting.  
The culture and internal machinations of the Sensorties is hugely meaningful component of how this story unfolds, but the presentation of these titular entities is hamstrung by stiff and shoddy make-up which doesn't allow actors to project through their appliances, as well as Sensorite performers' slavishly tedious presentation of their dialog.  Even when we're unable to see an actor's face, remarkable nuance can be brought to performance through voice alone.  Here, every Sensorite sounds like a contemptible city council person during a disagreeably long meeting.  Or that tiresome teacher we've all had at some point in our lives.  You know…the ones who don't inspire?  The ones you wished would just…shut…up?  
Worsening matters is their basic conceptualization.  Their use of "telepathy" seems inconsistent and appears to support the requirements of the narrative at any given moment rather than any continuous logic or common sense.  They recoil when shouted at and are terrified of the dark (good thing they have no problem drifting around in space then!)  Would The Doctor forcing them to return a much-needed/stolen item truly be as difficult as this episode would have us believe?  The doddering old Doctor could have easily shouted the Sensorites into submission, or tortured them into compliance by merely flipping off a light switch.  Even when they're doing something vaguely menacing, they're not believable foils, and they lack the force of presence to make the problems they create believable.  
I do understand that the Sensorites aren't meant to be presented as "big bads" here - but too much drama hinges on their flimsy essence.  Thus, the story unravels around them, climaxed by a desperate plot machination which hinges on all Sensorites looking alike - even though their faces are clearly distinguishable from one another, and each of their body types are radically different from those around them.  This is clumsy madness.  
To be fair to the woefully inadequate denizens of the Sense Sphere, their human irritants don't come across much better.   Lorne Cossettes, Ilona Rodgers, and Stephen Dartnell are all equally lost in this episode - their performances suggest an OTT, soap-operatic grab at this material rather than any innate comprehension of the universe they're inhabiting (there's even a cheesy orchestral 'duh-duh-duuuuummm' music cue when something important is discovered). 
Episodes five and six of "The Sensorites" were directed by Frank Cox, who'd helmed the vastly superior "Brink of Disaster" for DOCTOR WHO previously. Not sure why he didn't fare so well this time around, but given the profoundly muddled mess that this episode represents, he may've never had a chance.  
I continue to love DOCTOR WHO deeply and forever, but in many relationships there's a quality about our companion which simply doesn't sit well with us…and possibly even makes us insane.  That's what "The Sensorites" represents to me in this dynamic.  It makes me want to pull (what hair I have left) out.  It makes me feel vaguely abused, even though it never raised a finger.  I disapprove of this episode in the same way Steven Moffat disapproved of Matthew Watterhouse - it's just plain unwelcome.  "The Sensorites" is a sloppy, under-developed, tedious, and generally joyless wreck that begins with bizarrely misplaced exposition about our travelers' past adventures in the TARDIS (including a Henry the 8th story we've never seen), and then sticks around for about 110 minutes too long.  
This story does bring two noteworthy contributions to the WHO mythos (besides apparently being some sort  inspiration for the Ood - I love me some Ood - Oodles of Ood still wouldn't be enough):  1)  for the first time in DOCTOR WHO that I can recall, the future history of Earth is alluded to pointedly and interestingly, and 2) this is the first instance I can recall instance of The Doctor posturing like a badass - i.e. that  "don't fuck with me" thing they do.  In this case,  we get one great and memorable line from the carcass of an otherwise heinous embarrassment:  
"I don't make threats.  But I do keep promises.  And I promise you I shall cause you more trouble than you bargained for if you don't return my property. " 
Oh yeah - to Docbacker Hornorsilk, who once affectionately taunted me because I'd yet to see this episode? I now respond, "Yeah.  Whatever…"




"The Impossible Astronaut"

"Day of the Moon"

"The Curse of the Black Spot"

"The Doctor's Wife"

"The Rebel Flesh"

"The Almost People"

"A Good Man Goes To War"

"Let's Kill Hitler"

"Night Terrors"




"Time and the Rani"

"Merrick's Personal Journey With The Doctor / "Frontios"

"An Unearthly Child"

DOCTOR WHO Title Sequences & DW At Comic-Con 2011

"The Daleks," "The Awakening," "The Crash of the Elysium"

"The Gunfighters" / "The Edge of Destruction"

Why Eccleston Left, Here Comes Caroline Skinner, And Season/Series Six Part 1 on Blu-Ray And DVD

"Paradise Towers" / New WHOvian Documentary / Newsbits

New Trailer For Season/Series Six Part 2

"Marco Polo" and "The Sun Makers"

"Day of the Daleks" (+ Preview Of DotD Special Edition)

"The Keys of Marinus"

"The Aztecs"

"The Talons of Weng-Chiang" 


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  • Oct. 28, 2011, 3:16 p.m. CST

    "The Sensorites" is essentially STAR TREK VI: THE UNDISCOVERED COUNTRY

    by Cletus Van Damme

    Yeah, I can see that.

  • Oct. 28, 2011, 3:16 p.m. CST


    by Dan

    Hello all!!!

  • Oct. 28, 2011, 3:18 p.m. CST

    Yes, this is one which strains the viewer

    by HornOrSilk

    There are interesting ideas in it, but... way too long. I think if it was shorter, more polished, it wouldn't feel as bad.

  • Oct. 28, 2011, 3:20 p.m. CST

    Chuck Norris Lives!!!

    by Dan

    Holy crap, not only did I get first, but I've been able to cheat death and make a post again! Cheers Merrick, whatever you did seems now to have worked! Glad to be back, people!

  • Oct. 28, 2011, 3:22 p.m. CST

    The kids in the pic - awesomeness

    by tomdolan04

  • Oct. 28, 2011, 3:23 p.m. CST

    Fun times

    by AssadK

    Just wanted to express my appreciation for this section.. especially since for the most part, the new incarnation ignores many opportunities to hearken back to the original run (like when the TARDIS is picking visual representations, and only runs through Rose onwards.. eventually picking young Amelia, WHO WAS NEVER ACTUALLY ON THE TARDIS!!!!!! Um.. was she?). Anyhoo.. it's fun to see that both AICN and AV Club are running through all episodes of Who, gradually. I still greatly appreciate the original stuff, and haven't seen all of it myself. But I haven't seen The Sensorites, so can't comment any further...

  • Oct. 28, 2011, 3:25 p.m. CST

    Wait until you get to 'The Web Planet' :/

    by Warren Howarth

    Exactly what it says on the tin Herc. You thought the Sensorites was bad!

  • Oct. 28, 2011, 3:31 p.m. CST

    Kids dressed up as the Doctor!

    by Warren Howarth

    Always a winner. My friend and her Son went to London earlier this week and visited the Doctor Who Experience, they both had a fantastic time! On the way back home, said child dressed as 11 (who had been pulling levers and pushing red buttons all day), spied a lever he hadn't yet pulled or Sonicked on the Northern Line of the Tube. Needless to say, in a moment of distraction, he managed to pull said lever and grounded the entire line for just under and hour. People were somewhat unhappy. Clearly they have no sense of humour, and are unaware that if you see a big red lever, you just have to pull it, same as pushing big red buttons :)

  • Oct. 28, 2011, 3:31 p.m. CST


    by Mister Vertue

    Not a word I really enjoy hearing. Or saying, for that matter. It's wrong on so many levels.

  • Oct. 28, 2011, 3:32 p.m. CST

    Hmmm, no first then :(

    by Dan

    My iPhone lied to me. Good news about the new Murray gold soundtrack, though I can't remember there being any major new themes away from series 5. My kids will be jealous of those doctor who outfits. Daddy could only afford skeleton pirate costumes this year for Halloween. (they might forgive me when they see the doctor who toys that Santa has in store for them though!)

  • Oct. 28, 2011, 3:38 p.m. CST

    I love Web Planet!

    by HornOrSilk

    Not that it is easy to watch, all these years later. But I love for what it tried to do. It was original. It was experimental. Yes, it was a failure and yet -- it got so close.... there is something great in it, even in its failure. And that greatness makes me love it. I love that someone tried an entirely alien planet back in the 60s. I love it.

  • Oct. 28, 2011, 3:39 p.m. CST

    Matt Smith

    by Mister Vertue

    So, despite all the reports that Matt is definitely leaving to pursue a career in Hollywood after this series is finished, it turns out that he's actually more committed to the show than ever before. Yes, the schedule is gruelling. Yes, he 100% has the talent to succeed in the States. Yes, he's technically only contracted to do one more series. But does this mean he's definitely leaving? Of course not, don't be so bloody stupid. Who is this rant aimed at? Nobody in particular, except people who think he's leaving. And tabloid newspapers. And websites who make crap up due to a lack of real news. And no, that isn't aimed at Merrick either, because he's a smart bloke who knows better. Summary - Matt will be with the show for a while yet.

  • Oct. 28, 2011, 3:39 p.m. CST

    Halloween idea for next year.

    by Michael_Jacksons_Ghost

    This year I was wanting to find a fridge size cardboard box, and I was going to dress it up as the TARDIS. I was going to have my five year old son dress as the Doctor. Great idea for next year.

  • Oct. 28, 2011, 3:44 p.m. CST

    michael_jacksons_ghost - well, I have a simple costume

    by HornOrSilk

    It's a Teselecta pretending to be me!

  • Oct. 28, 2011, 3:45 p.m. CST

    I love the picture of the kids dressed up as the Doctors

    by DoctorTom

    the two different colored sonic screwdrivers makes it perfect.

  • Oct. 28, 2011, 3:46 p.m. CST

    And yes, nice kids costuming!

    by HornOrSilk

    This is also what Doctor Who is all about!

  • Oct. 28, 2011, 3:52 p.m. CST

    The Sense Sphere? The Senseless Sphere, more likely

    by DoctorTom

    Yes, this one was an exercise in tedium. Still, it had the bizarreness of removing the lock from the TARDIS door. I don't think even Christopher Bidmead would have been bonkers enough to have tried it. Now, imagine this story being done with Ood instead of the Sensorites and in color. It would probably have been over in three episodes at most when the Ood go redeyed and suck out the brains of the humans.

  • Oct. 28, 2011, 3:53 p.m. CST

    Agreed. Wonderful photo of the kids

    by Mister Vertue

    This is what the show is all about. This is why people bust their arses to make such a fine show. For the kids.

  • Oct. 28, 2011, 3:55 p.m. CST

    hornorsilk - good costume idea

    by DoctorTom

    but you need to wear a cowboy hat!

  • I rewatched The Brian of Morbuis last night. Of course, it has THAT scene, the one with 8 people/regenerations/whatever before Hartnell (they can't be the Doctor, since we're told Hartnell is the first Doctor, but those aren't Morbius' regenerations either, so who are these Doctors?) It triggered three realizations: 1) The Fields of Trenzalore might be some type of fields where competitions take place, and if the competition were something like the mindbending contest we saw in Brain of Morbius, then the person wouldn't be able to lie about who he is because his true self (selves) would end up exposed. 2) If something like this were done, it would be an interesting way to include previous Doctors, especially you see Smith himself morph into the previous entities instead of just seeing them in a projection between the opponents. 3) Maybe Moffat is going to take advantage of the Fields of Trenzalore and the answering of the question Doc-Tor Who? to also address the issue of just who all these other people in the funny hats were in the Brain of Morbius.

  • Oct. 28, 2011, 4:03 p.m. CST

    If Matt stays with the show for years and years...

    by V'Shael

    I will be ecstatic. He has the whole of his very talented life to conquer Hollywood (which should take him about 6 months).

  • Oct. 28, 2011, 4:17 p.m. CST

    Agreed about Matt staying with the show, v'shael

    by DoctorTom

    I think with another season or two he might become my favorite Doctor (he's tied with Tom Baker right now). I'm hoping he gets to do a good long run and keeps finding it interesting and challenging.

  • Oct. 28, 2011, 4:17 p.m. CST

    If Matt is staying with the show for years and years...

    by tomdolan04

    implicating the writing is on the wall for him with 'the fall of the eleventh' in the recent finale is just fuelling a fire that otherwise wasn't there. No-one believes the tabloids but now the speculators have a point of reference. <p> It can be dressed up as 'ooh but that was an ambiguous statement that could mean anything' but seriously - the parallel to Tenants 'He will knock four times' as a prelude to his 'fall' are all 99% of the audience will drawn upon. <p> Matt's affection for the show is clear - reckon he'll match Tenant and done three full years + a series of specials for the 50th. He'll do well and deserves his place in Who history - very much his own stamp on the part, whatever my thoughts about some of the writing and arc themes of S5 and S6

  • Oct. 28, 2011, 4:18 p.m. CST

    Matt Smith will obviously stay...

    by Dan

    As long the Moff continues to write compelling story arcs, then I think matt will find it very difficult to depart. Think about it, there are so many places yet to go with this incarnation that I don't think we'll have to worry about him leaving for a good while

  • Oct. 28, 2011, 4:19 p.m. CST

    Oh fuck, I do want that Series 6 score...

    by Dharma4

  • Oct. 28, 2011, 4:20 p.m. CST

    Long Live, The Moff!

    by Dharma4

  • Oct. 28, 2011, 4:25 p.m. CST

    And coming off a series that dwelled on the Doctors Death

    by tomdolan04

    From the first to the last, then prophesising another 'fall' into the future it's bit of a cheap trick. <p> "YOU ARE AT POINT A. DEATH IS DEFINITELY AT POINT B. ARE YOU AT POINT B? I WAS KIDDING. DEATH IS HONESTLY SUPER SERIOUSLY AT POINT C" <p> The bits where this series came alive were the moments and episodes that just roll with in the madness of the themes that bond us all - I know they get singled out but the Doc's Wife and The Girl Who Waited barely touched on the arc of death or River and were infinitely better for it. Thats what Who is to me - rejoicing in the pure quirks of life

  • Oct. 28, 2011, 4:41 p.m. CST

    Whotininnies & My Nephews

    by Ken Plume

    If you'd like to see more pics of my nephews in their TWO DOCTORS costumes, here's a link: Also, many thanks to everyone for their kind comments on the podcast. Trying to get Glen behind a mic is like trying to shovel smoke with a pitchfork in the wind. And feel free to Twitter me (@KenPlume) if you have questions or topics for discussion/debate in upcoming episodes.

  • Oct. 28, 2011, 4:45 p.m. CST

    I'm supposed to be busy writing something, but here I am back.

    by notspock2

    1. Those kids. Wow. I am not a parent, but that could convince me to reconsider. AWESOME. If anyone trick or treats me dressed as the doctor, they'll get all the sweets. 2.Sarah Jane Adventures.- specifically, "the curse of clyde langer part one"- I only just watched it and I am 100% convinced the SJA should be replaced by a show featuring just the kids and aliens, seriously, there's a MAJOR opportunity to to do some proper buffy style coming of age drama in the whoniverse if someone would just go for it. 3. Just Discovered Romana 1. I think you know how this ends. 4. MOV- I really hope you are right about Matt Smith, he's fantastic. 5. Tin Tin- (since the moff wrote it) I saw it today, and really wanted to love it. Sadly, it didn't click for me, - the extreme stylisation and the realism that the characters were depicted with was a paradox that i didn't feel the film resolved. Worse, I can't say the characters were that engrossing... A real shame because I'm a big fan of everyone involved in making it. IMHO- They should have gone live action, the warmth of a real performance was lost with the style they used here.

  • Oct. 28, 2011, 5:50 p.m. CST

    I agree about Murray Gold

    by maelstrom_ZERO

    I think that his music is one of the more potent factors that contributes to Doctor Who being so awesome. I didn't really pay attention to the soundtrack when I was watching the first 4 seasons of new Who, but once S5 came along, I started to really notice how amazing the music really was. I mean, in just the first episode alone, you got some really incredible pieces of music. "I Am the Doctor" alone is probably one of the best pieces of TV music I've ever heard. Heck, whenever I get Who cravings (like that awful break right after AGMGTW) I spent many, many days sitting at my comp with the S5 soundtrack as my background music. I will admit that I don't really remember much memorable stuff from the S6 soundtrack--seemed like it was a lot of recycling of S5 music. But even so, I think S6 would have been much more boring and bland had not Murray Gold scored the season. I sincerely hope Gold never leaves Who. Ever. Without that aural magic he brings, the Doctor would just seem a bit less, well, Doctor-y.

  • Oct. 28, 2011, 6:03 p.m. CST

    On speculation that Matt Smith may be leaving...

    by Greg

    I would hate to see him go but I'm truly confident the current show runner could cast someone else who would also be awesome but unexpected as the next Doctor. That said, I don't think he's going anywhere any time soon.

  • Oct. 28, 2011, 6:19 p.m. CST

    If Matt Smith leaves

    by maelstrom_ZERO

    ...then I want Benedict Cumberbatch as the Doctor. Make it happen, Moffat.

  • Oct. 28, 2011, 7:02 p.m. CST


    by Ken Plume

    And just to clarify, any comments I make about Glen are intended as the same good-natured ribbing/bickering you'll hear in the podcast. In fact, I'm sure he'll chime in any minute now to (quite accurately) point out that this week's delayed podcast is my fault. Please don't let him know that I've admitted culpability on this. I'll never live it down.

  • Oct. 28, 2011, 7:03 p.m. CST

    THANKS for the 'Test' posts!!

    by Merrick

    Admin/mod controls now seem to be more or less restored. I think. It's sorta like when the Millennium Falcon is "fixed" though, ya know? BTW - Honorsilk - you remember how you said you stepped away from your system and came back to find yourself logged out/subsequently banned? The same thing has been happening to me this week...I haven't been banned...yet...but I've been spontaneously logged out on several occasions, unexpectedly. Texting w/ tech folks now. The answers are out there...and I *will* find them. Or maybe I'll just run out for a taco....

  • Oct. 28, 2011, 7:08 p.m. CST

    You are welcome, Merrick

    by HornOrSilk

    Well, it sounds like there are all kinds of odd things happening with the tech behind the scenes. I hope it gets fixed. It's good to hear you are looking into it (but sorry to hear you suffered some of the same problems and they are ongoing).

  • Oct. 28, 2011, 7:09 p.m. CST

    When Matt Smith leaves

    by HornOrSilk

    My guess is he will do a Pertwee and 5 years, but I could be wrong.. but when he leaves.. I hope we see an older Doctor for a change. I know, it's doubtful. But I still would like it.

  • Oct. 28, 2011, 7:16 p.m. CST

    I'm glad you went in pre-warned

    by Dreamfasting

    This is one of those stories that feels like it can only be watched as a commentary on what the medium of television was like in the early 60s ... as if there was still something magical about just being able to afford a television and watch moving pictures at home. I saw this around the time of my first VCR and remember getting up and checking to make sure I hadn't accidently pressed play on an old episode because it seemed like I had already watched a half-hour of the same dialogue and slow shuffling around.

  • Oct. 28, 2011, 7:19 p.m. CST

    Hornorsilk re: older Doctor

    by Merrick

    Seconded. But...who? So many great possibilities. My *personal* (and admittedly improbable for many reasons) hope would be Bill Nighy. Too old? Too "known"? Too obvious?

  • Oct. 28, 2011, 7:24 p.m. CST

    Matt Smith rumours

    by Dreamfasting

    I take any gossip about this to be just part of the normal cycle of contract negotiations - if they are looking an extention, he needs to demonstrate a credible alternative career and the BBC needs to demonstrate a credible alternative Doctor. It's the sausage end of the industry - and my inner scarf-wearing child isn't interested.

  • Oct. 28, 2011, 7:26 p.m. CST

    The logging out thing.

    by gotilk

    It's been happening to me for months. I have just accepted it as something that happens here, like the quotes bug. I assumed it was only me though, with the logging out thing. Sometimes it happens minutes after posting, or when I move to another part of the site.

  • Oct. 28, 2011, 7:27 p.m. CST


    by gotilk

    I'd like to second that. He has hinted that he'd NOT like to specifically be a *guest* on Doctor Who, but would like to be *on* Doctor Who. We can assume what that means. I don't want Smith out, but if it happens... Cumberbatch is my top choice.

  • Oct. 28, 2011, 7:32 p.m. CST

    Merrick -- as for who, it depends upon how long

    by HornOrSilk

    I still think Chiwetel Ejiofor would be an excellent choice. Philip Glenister? Perhaps. And one who would be great, but too big a star, is Jude Law.

  • Oct. 28, 2011, 7:36 p.m. CST

    Lovely to see you here kenplume!!!

    by gotilk

    Keep up the great work/fun with the podcast(s). I'm getting tons of entertainment out of them. Welcome to DocBack!

  • Oct. 28, 2011, 7:38 p.m. CST

    Of course there is this

    by HornOrSilk

  • Oct. 28, 2011, 7:52 p.m. CST

    Newbie and Murray Gold

    by Terry

    Evening all! First, I want to thank everyone who posts here. I have been reading the Docbacks since the beginning and have enjoyed all of the insightful, intelligent, and fun posts. What a collection of truely classy people. I hope to earn my place among you all. I agree with the others about Murray Golds's music. Powerful, evocative, moving, and just a joy to listen to. May I suggest that you do a search for last years Doctor Who at the Proms? A wonderful live concert hosted by Karen Gillan, Arthur Darvill and Matt Smith. Beautifully arranged and presented, you get the bonus of a Doctor Who mini adventure too. And to the Moff - THANK YOU for providing a show that I am proud to recommend to my friends and that just makes me feel good whenever I watch it. Not too many others I can say that about.

  • Oct. 28, 2011, 8:05 p.m. CST

    On Murray Gold.

    by gotilk

    Honestly, his early music for Who bothered me quite a bit. But I'd like to mirror what's been said here about the most recent series' music. It's been fantastic, far above what he's done before. I've also noticed that they have smartly kept the volume of the music track somewhere below 11 lately, which has been a huge plus. It might even be that Gold's music has always been fantastic, just that any appreciation of it was drowned out by pure, annoying volume in the past. It was so bad for a while there I used to actually have to re-wind scenes in order to understand what was said because the music was drowning out the dialogue. And it may from time to time (pardon that) have been bombastic when it should have been subtle at times, while being subtle when it should have been pumping adrenaline. That is a criticism that can be applied to the history of Who though. It probably has more to do with deadlines than with craftsmanship. I also agree with maelstrom_zero. *I am The Doctor* is one of the best musical themes in TV history. Oh hell... one of the best themes period. It still gives me goosebumps after hearing it several times, on the show or on my Zune. (yes, I still have a Zune and yes I still love it thank you very much) So yes, I have become a fan.

  • Oct. 28, 2011, 8:07 p.m. CST

    hornorsilk LOL!!!

    by gotilk

    *You're nicked*

  • Oct. 28, 2011, 8:08 p.m. CST

    He would have called The Master a *poofter*

    by gotilk

    ..and gut-punched him.

  • Oct. 28, 2011, 8:11 p.m. CST

    Welcome, phineas999 !

    by gotilk

    Great to have you here. I do recognize your name though. LOVE the proms concerts. Even the silly parts. As a matter of fact, some of the best parts of watching were the reaction shots featuring kids with mouths agape, or showing genuine fear or joy. Must be great to be a kid at one of those, or a parent getting the chance to give your kid that experience.

  • Anyone have thoughts or memories of that one? Good? Bad? Middling?

  • Oct. 28, 2011, 8:15 p.m. CST

    The Burl Ives comparison....

    by gotilk

    Both hilarious and maddening, as I now have *Have a Holly, Jolly Christmas* in my head and it refuses to go away. Time for some Japanese noise metal. lol

  • Oct. 28, 2011, 8:47 p.m. CST

    Always believed Patrick Stewart would make a wonderful Dr.


    But I guess everyone would just see Picard in the Tardis.

  • Oct. 28, 2011, 9:25 p.m. CST

    RE: Ginge_Muppet

    by The_Mad_Groper

    That's ok, I just kept seeing Gurney Halleck in the Enterprise... ;)

  • Oct. 28, 2011, 9:32 p.m. CST


    by The Transformed Man

    I am giddy after reading your post regarding Matt.

  • Oct. 28, 2011, 9:39 p.m. CST

    Philip Glenister?!

    by Renee Knowles

    Ha! That'd be a hoot :)

  • Oct. 28, 2011, 9:42 p.m. CST

    Wow, I think I must've been gone a while...

    by Renee Knowles

    Gotilk got his name back, there's a podcast... and the Docback is small enough for me to possibly keep up? Ah it's nice to be back :) I'm sure shibley/Simon says hi to everyone... he pussed out and went to bed a few hours ago ;) *waves* (fka frozen01)

  • Oct. 28, 2011, 9:54 p.m. CST

    Murray Gold; "I Am The Doctor"

    by The Transformed Man

    I wish he'd release an entire album of just one long, never ending, continuous track of that. I listen to various versions of that almost every day on the way to and from work, over and over. And it makes everything feel awesome.

  • Oct. 28, 2011, 9:55 p.m. CST

    And, although it's been said that it's extremely unlikely

    by The Transformed Man

    I'd be perfectly fine with Cumberbatch as the Doctor. After Matt leaves 75 years from now. Or he could play the Master to Smith's Doctor.

  • Oct. 28, 2011, 9:56 p.m. CST

    the proms

    by The Transformed Man

    There's one kid whose entire life peaks on camera, as he helps the Doctor save everyone.

  • Oct. 28, 2011, 9:59 p.m. CST

    Oh, speaking of music...

    by Renee Knowles

    I haven't had much time lately (as in, in the past year or so) to go back and watch older episodes, but something a friend said made me rewatch Blink on my lunch break. Wow. I hadn't realized how polished the Moffat-era episodes were compared to earlier episodes, or how different the music is! Blink is one of the best episodes of nu-Who... but what was up with the music? The kind of plinky, video-game-esque bits were incredibly distracting... yet I'd never noticed it before. I think I might need to find some time to rewatch other nu-Who, pre-S5 episodes to see if there's a similar impression.

  • Oct. 28, 2011, 10:03 p.m. CST

    Cumberbatch would be fine...

    by Renee Knowles

    ... but I think I'd prefer an older Doctor too.

  • Oct. 28, 2011, 10:17 p.m. CST

    To be honest

    by maelstrom_ZERO

    ...I don't think I could really handle an older Doctor at this point. It's probably because the only Who I've watched is the 2005 version, and every Doctor I've been exposed to has been relatively young. I did try watching some Tom Baker in Genesis of the Daleks I think it was. . .? and I eventually just got bored with the whole thing. It's probably not entirely his fault since I'm used to modern production values and I have an awfully short attention span, but still. A younger Doctor would probably bring a bit more vivacity to the role (for the lack of a better word), and plus, it wouldn't be as creepy when he brings along his usual young, seductive, nubile female companions. Although I'm sure that older Who fans would feel much differently, since they grew up with older Doctors to begin with.

  • Oct. 28, 2011, 10:29 p.m. CST

    Do you think Moffat will stay on post Smith (whenever that may be?)

    by Rebel Scumb

  • Oct. 28, 2011, 10:30 p.m. CST


    by Rebel Scumb

    I'm never quite sure what would be more interesting, to see Moffat do a multi-doctor run as writer (technically I suppose he also wrote for eccelston and tennant so he already has, but I mean as head writer) or to see Smith carry over into the era of a new head writer. I think probably the former is preferable. But who knows, they both seem very enthused to stay for the foreseable future.

  • Oct. 28, 2011, 10:46 p.m. CST

    rebel scumb

    by The Transformed Man

    I was very curious to see what might have been if Tennant had spilled over into the Moffat era a little. But no complaints, as we got Smith! And while I don't want to loose Matt for a long, long time, I am curious what Moffat's next Doctor would be like.

  • Oct. 28, 2011, 11:19 p.m. CST

    Sorry, have been flat chat ...

    by veteran_of_mu

    I haven't finished transporting doctom's stuff. Haven't kept up with the docbacks. Haven't even kept up with coming last on the doctine. Oh well, I can remedy that one quickly at least. But I should drop a HAT while I'm here: is it possible that George, the child with nightmares, is in fact the Nightmare Child?

  • Oct. 28, 2011, 11:42 p.m. CST

    protocol417 / frozen01 WELCOME BACK!

    by gotilk

    Good to see you. Say hi to the shibs.

  • Oct. 29, 2011, 1:33 a.m. CST

    time paradox......

    by ecto-cooler

    I saw the Dr. appear in his tux from Amy's Wedding, so I hope all of the time paradox's are taken care of.......

  • Oct. 29, 2011, 1:47 a.m. CST

    Hi all

    by Kevin Bolinger

    just checking in. Plus I did a video review of my TARDIS toy from the Christmas Carol set. I did a small silly green screen skit at the beginning, where I push the wrong button in the TARDIS, with disastrous results lol

  • Oct. 29, 2011, 2:18 a.m. CST

    Nice review, darthdevious

    by gotilk

    I seriously need a desktop TARDIS.

  • Oct. 29, 2011, 3:22 a.m. CST


    by Kevin Bolinger

    Thanks man...did the opening make you chuckle? lol

  • Oct. 29, 2011, 3:28 a.m. CST

    FROZEN!!!!!!! WOW!!!! My Chicago Belle has returned!!!!!.....

    by sam jacksons wig my my my my!!!! It's so good to hear from you again! I was worried that something may have happened, but now fears put firmly to bed! As for Blink- well, my 10 year old's fave episode ever, so when she watched Who she puts that episode on. I must have seen it now, oh, about 35-40 times, I shit you not!! What a cracking episode it is too!!! Well worth an invest for 45 minutes. As for other pre-5 episodes, give Dalek another go. Then think about all of the potential from that point onwards, and just why VotD was suc h a poor showing. Great to have you back!!!!

  • Oct. 29, 2011, 3:30 a.m. CST

    Horn!!!! Merrick called you out, my friend!!!! ;))...

    by sam jacksons wig

    ..with a link to your comment, to boot!!! Yup- the Sensorites was a huge pile of unfiltered dung. I have only seen it once, and will never revisit again. It firmly stays in my Pandoras Box, chained and at the bottom of the ocean.

  • Oct. 29, 2011, 3:34 a.m. CST


    by sam jacksons wig

    ...I honestly thought that both would leave around the same time. With the forthcoming TinTin, and what is bound to be the $250m + worldwide haul, I would not be suprised to see the Moff becoming more involved in these kinds of ventures. And maybe suggesting a "talented" actor we are very fond of for future movie roles?? Who knows? We shall no doubt find out in the next year or so. But both around for the 50th. Neither would pass up that opportunity IMHO.

  • Oct. 29, 2011, 3:36 a.m. CST


    by sam jacksons wig

    Thanks for the kind words last DocBack. Only read them yesterday, and it seemed senseless replying on a Thread that would soon be superceded. I do intend to stick around- just had a few issues with a couple of things (like we all do from time to time) that made the experience slightly less enjoyable than it normally is! Back now, and as I have said before, it's you guys that keep me coming back here!!

  • Oct. 29, 2011, 3:39 a.m. CST

    Ginge- yeah.....

    by sam jacksons wig

    ..completely agree. I would keep expecting him to call his companion No1, and break out into rants of Make it so and Engage!!!!!!!!! maybe before Picard, but certainly not now. However, he is very entertaining as Deputy Director Bullock in American Dad. Something as a Shakespearian I did NOT expect and all the more funnier for it!

  • Oct. 29, 2011, 3:43 a.m. CST

    The latest Doctor Who magazine.....

    by sam jacksons wig

    ...has a great retrospective on SJS. It's about 25 pages of stuff, so well worth a read, and a great love letter/farewell to the very bestt companion there has ever been. Magic!!!!!

  • Oct. 29, 2011, 3:45 a.m. CST

    That smallest kiddie in the pic.......

    by sam jacksons wig that a splodge of fake hair on his forehead, or is it real? Cracking costumes!!!

  • Oct. 29, 2011, 3:47 a.m. CST


    by HornOrSilk

    Will you be a Matt Smith Wig for Halloween?

  • Oct. 29, 2011, 3:47 a.m. CST


    by sam jacksons wig

    ...welcome back! The last I saw, everyone of your posts had been deleted, which made all talk of Chuck Norris in that DocBack seem completely insane for anyone outtside looking in!

  • Oct. 29, 2011, 3:48 a.m. CST

    gulkhaish - you're not missing much, mate......

    by sam jacksons wig

    ...I wouldn't worry. :))

  • Oct. 29, 2011, 3:52 a.m. CST

    So let's assume thatt Matt Smith stays beyond the 50th....

    by sam jacksons wig

    ...and get all hypothetical for a moment. If that's the case, then what do we think is in store on the plains of Trenzalore and what is the fall of the 11th, and just what damage will answering the question do? Would love to hear your theories!!!!

  • Oct. 29, 2011, 3:54 a.m. CST

    This is why you never want the Doctor to visit your tanning salon

    by HornOrSilk

  • Oct. 29, 2011, 3:55 a.m. CST

    Sam -- the fall of the 11th

    by HornOrSilk

    Is probably a ship which crashes next to the Byzantium and the Angels come out of the crack and say, "Hello!" before doing a sing-song about how bad they were and now they are reformed.

  • Oct. 29, 2011, 3:58 a.m. CST

    Ok, in a serious answer to your question, Sam

    by HornOrSilk

    I don't think it is his death. I think the 11th sounds like something like the 11th legion.

  • Oct. 29, 2011, 4 a.m. CST


    by sam jacksons wig

    ...I have already had my Halloween fun at the beginning of this week. Took the wife and kids to an adventure park for a couple of days that puts on a great Halloween event. The hotels are all themed as well as the park itself, and there are "live" scare mazes which I must say scare the living shit out of you!!! Things get progressively scarier around the park as the evening progresses, so I found myself and my eldest in the park until it closed at 9pm while my wife and youngest had long since departed for the comforts of the Hotel. Great break! As for Halloween- we have a few friends around tonight, but nothing themed I am afraid to say. So, would I go as a Matt Smiths Wig??? Yeah, I would. That is one crazy weave!!!!!

  • Oct. 29, 2011, 4:02 a.m. CST


    by sam jacksons wig

    I'm not convinced it's his death either. That would be far too easy! I am more inclined to think it's a date of some sort.

  • Oct. 29, 2011, 4:04 a.m. CST

    Sam -- nice!

    by HornOrSilk

    Sadly, it's not been the right year for me to do anything for Halloween - even though I love the holiday. Just too many things happening (not all good) keeping me way too busy.

  • Oct. 29, 2011, 4:15 a.m. CST


    by sam jacksons wig

    Life unfortunately takes over. Yeah, you've shared some of your problems with me and I agree- not good. Coming out the other end though, you'll hopefully feel stronger. Halloween is now the 2nd biggest holiday in the UK, overtaking the lameness that is Easter (not the religeous reasons, the shitty chocolate egg reasons). Love this time of year. The colours, the scents in the air, the cold tang against your skin, the short days. Fantastic!

  • Oct. 29, 2011, 4:16 a.m. CST

    Too bad there is no Doctor Who Halloween Special

    by HornOrSilk

    Would be a great way to do a sequel to a Tom Baker stories if they had done one.

  • Oct. 29, 2011, 4:24 a.m. CST

    We've had our nightmares in S6......

    by sam jacksons wig

    ..... Night Terrors would have been a perfect Halloween story. The God Complex would be up there too, and having assessed last season as a whole, I have to say that was my favourite episode of the lot. Loved it. However, are we supposed to talk about S6 now? I am confused.... :(

  • Oct. 29, 2011, 4:31 a.m. CST

    True, we had some nightmares

    by HornOrSilk

    But, imagine Pyramids of Mars II... or Brain of Morbius II or... State of Decay II... (Not named those, of course). Good Halloween material.

  • Oct. 29, 2011, 4:32 a.m. CST

    And the Sensorites connects to Season 6

    by HornOrSilk

    Ood, I see you! So there is our connection

  • Oct. 29, 2011, 4:57 a.m. CST

    Speaking of S6

    by maelstrom_ZERO

    Once S6 finished up a few months back, my initial impression was rage. Not just any normal rage, but Red Lantern rage. The whole River thing seemed a bit underwhelming, and the deus ex machina regarding how the Doctor escaped his seemingly inevitable death. . .well, I just wanted to throw something at my computer. But now that I've had time to digest it, and go back and introduce some 2005 Who classics like Blink and Girl in the Fireplace to my friend--which, by the way, gives you a marvelous sense of perspective--I think I've come to realize that S6 was much more enjoyable than the already enjoyable S5. Yes, S5 had some very solid episodes. I think the 11th Hour is still my all-time Matt Smith centric favorite episode, and Amy's Choice was also equally brilliant. But then you had TIA/DotM, which was fantastic. And then you had The Doctor's Wife, which was also fantastic. And then you had Closing Time, God Complex, Girl Who Waited, all of which were brilliant as well. So yeah. Despite my disappointment with how some things turned out, I honestly really liked S6. But I really, really, REALLY hope that one day, Doctor Who will learn to resolve plot points without resorting to poorly thought out, deus ex machina moments. Like remember when Tennant magically gained levitation and force fields and telepathy/telekinesis when the entire earth used the power of positive thinking? Ugh. Just ugh. I'm just glad that those days are behind us, sort of.

  • Oct. 29, 2011, 5:05 a.m. CST


    by sam jacksons wig

    ...although I do agree with you in a way, Last of the Time Lords did need a "woooooow" moment after something as lame as just saying the Docs name. I use lame in the context of "so what??"- and agree that the Doc wouldn't have sent Martha on a mission to retrieve an artifact intended solely for death- and with a moment like that, it would have had to do something more than just give the Doc the ability to regain his normal composure and crawl out of the cage that held him. At the very least, it gave us a moment to truly reflect on how the power of good in the Doc outweighed the Power of evil in the Master. Looking through classic Who, you will see that there are loads of episodes that have poorly contrived plot points and inconsistencies. That it is happening now is nothing new, it's just that we recognise it far more. Stay safe!!! SJW.

  • Oct. 29, 2011, 5:07 a.m. CST

    What, Doctor Who has plot holes?

    by HornOrSilk

    I will fix that. Reverse the polarity of the neutron flow. Fixed.

  • Oct. 29, 2011, 6:02 a.m. CST


    by sam jacksons wig

    ...But you can only say that "once" my friend, and others will think that you've said it a 1000 times!!!!!

  • Oct. 29, 2011, 6:03 a.m. CST

    (sam jacksons wig) - RE: 10th's Hair

    by Ken Plume

    The 10th Doctor hair is a rubbery hairpiece in the Tennant style. The 11th Doctor hair is a wig.

  • Oct. 29, 2011, 6:05 a.m. CST


    by sam jacksons wig

    ...some of us thought that we would see a resolve of this in Let's Kill Hitler, but I fear that this will be something that we will never get resolved on TV. I think it will be left up to us to believe that he went back to Amy & Rorys wedding or not. Would have been one hell of a tie in though, and I still believe a missed opportunity.

  • Oct. 29, 2011, 6:08 a.m. CST

    phineas999 - welcome to the DocBack....

    by sam jacksons wig

    ...and it's collective of crazy whacked out maniacs..... and HornOrSilk ;)) Stay a while and have a chat. Put your theories and ideas forwards and share! Look forward to speaking to you!!!

  • Oct. 29, 2011, 6:12 a.m. CST

    Oh, and that taunt

    by HornOrSilk

    Well, I've heard Power of the Daleks. Now that's a good one!

  • Oct. 29, 2011, 6:16 a.m. CST

    And of course -- Sam, for a sequel

    by HornOrSilk

  • Oct. 29, 2011, 6:29 a.m. CST

    kenplume- quality stuff!!!!....

    by sam jacksons wig if I could only find me one of them wigs... instead of Sam Jacksons...... ;))

  • Oct. 29, 2011, 6:31 a.m. CST

    And, if you have never seen it.. Doctor Stew

    by HornOrSilk

  • Oct. 29, 2011, 7:39 a.m. CST


    by Johnboy40

    re an older Dr. Paterson Joseph (de Carabas in the TV adapt of Gaiman's Neverwhere) Bill Nighy Rhys Ifans (who should play de carabas if they ever do a big screen neverwhere) or my own favorite choice, Art Malik. Search your feelings, you know Malik would rock the joint out

  • Oct. 29, 2011, 8:01 a.m. CST

    Sam re: Moff's departure/Tin tin/Hollywood

    by Rebel Scumb

    I'm not sure, I read somewhere that spielberg offered Moffat a huge multipicture contract and he turned it down to stay on dr who. He was asked to write the whole tin tin trilogy for Spielberg/peter jackson but only wanted to do the first one. While the hollywood oppurtunites may attract him eventually, the vibe I've gotten from what I've read is he has waited his whole life to write dr who, so doesn't want to pass it up that said, he seems like he may also have a specific overall arc he wants to tell, and then depart on a high note.

  • Oct. 29, 2011, 9:03 a.m. CST


    by sam jacksons wig

    ...thanks for the info. If you have a link to said info it would be appreciated. In the meantime, here is Mr Sir the Moff jawing about tintin (and I haven't actually watched this myself yet) Enjoy.

  • Oct. 29, 2011, 9:30 a.m. CST

    sadly no link

    by Rebel Scumb

    I remember reading it quite a while ago, around the time series 5 was starting up. Regardless I have no doubt hollywood must be after Moffat, I have trouble believing anyone could see 'blink' and not want to hire him (and that's not even taking into account all his other great Who scripts, sherlock, coupling, etc)

  • Oct. 29, 2011, 9:50 a.m. CST


    by Renee Knowles

    Ooooh, something happened alright... lots of somethings. Let's just say your lawn mowing services are no longer needed (and not just cuz it's nearly November *LOL*). Moving is a lot harder than I remember it being! LOL :) But I'm now living in what I consider one of the best suburbs in Chicagoland (yes, that is what it's called). And I'll be back on your side of the pond come August. I'm so glad to see you've stuck around :) And I hope we can talk about S6! I think I missed almost all the Docbacks! Here's my thoughts: Impossible Astronaut/Day of the Moon: Loved it. The concept of the Silents being a kind of shadowy puppeteers was sinister and just worked. Loved the characters! Curse of the Black Spot: It was fun. I didn't have the problems with it that others did, but I can't say much more about it than that. Not my least favorite of the series/season. The Doctor's Wife: I cried. It was Neil Gaiman. Do I need to say more? Rebel Flesh/Almost People: Not the best, but I did enjoy it (and I suddenly just realized where I'd seen the actress who played Jo on Party Animals before... wonder if Matt Smith had anything to do with that.) More sci-fi and the moral conundrum was a bit bold. A Good Man Goes to War: Even more sci-fi. The supporting characters really shined in this, the story was great, but to me it felt just a little hollow. Let's Kill Hitler: The most fun episode this year. I was practically clapping at parts, and we got one of the best lines in TV history: "Well. I was on my way to this gay gypsy bar mitzvah for the disabled, when I suddenly thought, 'Gosh. The Third Reich's a bit rubbish. I think I'll kill the Führer.' Who's with me?" Night Terrors: My least favorite. Did not like this episode. There were some brilliant bits... the cinematography, the acting. But the "baddies" were cheap, not scary, and felt shoehorned in. Most of the episode, especially the end, just wasn't convincing. The Girl Who Waited: Another very sci-fi episode! Loved it. Rory is becoming a heartthrob for the so-inclined set for the right reasons, and I love that. Everything was good about this episode... acting, story, etc... with very few and very minor complaints. The God Complex: A very interesting story, wonderfully told with haunting visuals. Loved the characters, loved the play between fear and faith. This is an episode, like the Doctor's Wife, I will come back and watch many times. Closing Time: Could've lived without it. It was funny, but I didn't like that they used the Cybermen in this way. They felt like throwaways, and it ruined the episode for me. If it weren't for that, and yet another "love saves the day" ending, I would've like it a lot. The Wedding of River Song: I need to watch it again, but I have mixed feelings. Using the Tesselecta (sp?) to get out of it didn't make any sense. His death is a fixed point in time... if it doesn't happen, time basically implodes. So the Doctor "fools" time by substituting a lookalike? I don't know...

  • Oct. 29, 2011, 9:51 a.m. CST

    *waves* Hi gotilk :)

    by Renee Knowles

  • Oct. 29, 2011, 9:53 a.m. CST

    Oh, and Sammy...

    by Renee Knowles

    ... you might want to be a little careful with the "my Chicago belle" stuff. You'll make someone jealous ;)

  • Oct. 29, 2011, 9:56 a.m. CST

    Sam -- check out this article!

    by HornOrSilk

  • Oct. 29, 2011, 10:01 a.m. CST

    Or this one

    by HornOrSilk "Steven Moffat has turned down a $1 million movie deal with Steven Spielberg so he could take on his dream job of running the British international hit sci-fi series "Doctor Who" says The Daily Mail."

  • Oct. 29, 2011, 10:16 a.m. CST


    by glenn_the_frog

    The doctor didn't fool the *universe* into thinking he was dead. He fooled the people in it. Vast difference between the two. Also worth noting, he ALWAYS used the Tesselecta. It was ALWAYS the Tesselecta on the beach. He didn't die once, then rewrite history, he always had the out, its just our perspective that changed. It's not a deus ex machina if its introduced 5 episodes earlier... in fact, the entire season provided the Doctor with 7 or 8 different ways to cheat death with each new episode. (Ganger, time duplicate, tesselect, black spot nurse, etc.) After a point it stopped being about "How does he escape death" but "Why does he go to die in the first place?" The "death" of the doctor is an important fixed point because the universe, millions and billions of people and races, giant armies and coalitions formed just to destroy him, react accordingly and there's crazy amounts of events that spin out of that. The reaction to the event is why its important, not the event itself.

  • Oct. 29, 2011, 10:22 a.m. CST

    by glenn_the_frog

    Also, the Silence *created* and manipulated that spot to be a fixed point (somehow) so its important because they forced it to be. It has the weight and importance they put into it. They think the doctor is dead? Well then, time to party! Its *similar* to when the Doctor got involved in the genesis of the Daleks. He had the opportunity to wipe out the race before they ever became anything... but he couldn't bring himself to commit full blown genocide... and also realized that while they were a monstrous horror that killed millions, they affected billions of lives, sometimes in positive ways like forcing other enemies to come together or develop or whatnot. Lots of ramifications to a big event.

  • Oct. 29, 2011, 11:18 a.m. CST

    Exactly glenn_the_frog!

    by Rebel Scumb

    And if anyone is still doubting it was always the teselecta, the doctor who confidential 'story of river song' also confirms the chronology as a 'whatever happened happened/12 monkeys/the terminator' scenario, and not a 'back to the future' type of time situation. Another point is that IF the doctor actually dying was ever the fixed point, then that means it ALWAYS happened, but since we know the fall of the 11th and the fields of Tranzelor are still ahead for the doctor, then how could there be a fixed point in time prior to that when the doctor ever actually died??

  • Oct. 29, 2011, 11:21 a.m. CST

    re: glenn_the_frog

    by maelstrom_ZERO

    My issue with the resolution of the Doctor's death with the Tesselecta is that it doesn't make sense based on what we know about fixed points. I may be wrong in my assumptions since the idea of fixed points has never really been expounded upon in the series, at least not seriously. But I was under the impression that fixed points were hugely important, life changing events. Think of JFK's assassination (which the Tesselecta mentioned), or when that spacewoman Adelaide had to die in order to launch the human intergalactic diaspora. Or on a smaller scale, Rose's father never dying in Father's Day. The idea of fixed points just sounds a lot like the idea of fate--something that's bound to happen inevitably. And the idea that you can fool fate by throwing some kawarimi no jutsu straw man at it just sounds utterly bollocks. I mean, really. The only way the Tesselecta resolution makes any sense at all is if every event in the universe after the Doctor's fake death matched every event in the universe in a universe where the Doctor really died. And for that to happen, he'd have to live life out somewhere where he couldn't affect anything, ever. And we both know that's not going to happen. Because sometime, somewhen, we know the Doctor is going to do something crazy, like blow up another legion of Cybermen or something timeline-altering. I also don't believe that it was always the Tesselecta that "died" on that beach. Because if that's the case, that means that a fake death created universe altering massive ramifications. Which I would argue really isn't the case, because then the entire universe would have to believe that the Doctor is dead--and they can't possibly, since sooner or later, as mentioned before, the Doctor will do something 'noisy.' The only way I'm going to accept this ridiculous Tesselecta resolution is if the Doctor does do something 'noisy' and the universe then implodes because it's messing up the entire concept of the fixed point of his apparent death. And until that happens, I'm going to regard The Wedding of Riversong with a very large geek frown of disapproval. Buuut. . .it's quite possible that I'm completely wrong. I mean, I'm not astrophysicist, so the finer points of time travel, alternate timelines and fixed points is not exactly my forte, haha. Who knows.

  • Oct. 29, 2011, 11:25 a.m. CST

    horn--the fall of the Eleventh

    by The Transformed Man

    Maybe the angels could sing a version of this:

  • Oct. 29, 2011, 11:28 a.m. CST

    rebel scumb

    by maelstrom_ZERO

    If the Fall of the 11th and the Fields of Trenzalore are ahead for the Doctor, then how come the Tesselcta, who has extensive records of the Doctor's entire life, thinks that the Doctor actually dies on the shores of Lake Silencio? I, for one, am confused.

  • Oct. 29, 2011, 11:37 a.m. CST

    maelstrom_zero, on sparkling, floating Tennant who hugs people

    by The Transformed Man

    That is my all time most infuriating resolution to a RTD era plot. The TARDIS towing earth back to orbit (okay, Torchwood and K-9... helped?) without any cosmic disasters is probably second.

  • Oct. 29, 2011, 11:37 a.m. CST


    by sam jacksons wig

    ...speaking of jealousy- where is the lovely son of a gun????? Tell him to take that toblerone out of his mouth and get posting!!!! So, no gardening service eh? I can clean a mean apartment building side!!! Love your thoughts on S6!!!

  • Oct. 29, 2011, 11:38 a.m. CST

    Horn- you prince among men!..

    by sam jacksons wig

    ...thanks for the links!! Superb stuff!!!

  • Oct. 29, 2011, 11:40 a.m. CST

    Does anybody else think Dylan Moran could make a cool Doctor?

    by The Transformed Man

  • Oct. 29, 2011, 11:52 a.m. CST

    Need old men again as Doctors.

    by blueant

    Young actors all seem to think acting is just a matter of trying out wild antics...I think older guys that have experience can carry a story being more themselves.

  • Oct. 29, 2011, noon CST

    Old Men as the Doctor

    by mukhtabi

    I for one, think that's an excellent idea. A Bill Nighy doctor should come with tinted shades and a bag of confections laced with weed. 'Frankly darling, I think you're making too big a fuss of this. Here have a ____ they're wonderfully relaxing. Trust me I'm a doctor' would be a great line to use over such an arc. Patterson Joseph would also be amazing.

  • Oct. 29, 2011, 12:08 p.m. CST

    I'd love to see a Bill Nighy Doctor.

    by The Transformed Man

    And he's not that old, but Robert Carlyle might be a good choice. Moffat was actually hoping to cast a 40-ish actor when Matt walked in and destroyed everyone. I hope we get his audition as a DVD extra someday.

  • Oct. 29, 2011, 12:59 p.m. CST


    by HornOrSilk

    You are welcome; I remembered the talk when S5 began.. it is amazing he took DW but in the end, I am glad he did (I've never been a Tin Tin fan; now if he were writing Asterix....)

  • Oct. 29, 2011, 1:01 p.m. CST

    Ok. I know who the 12th Doctor will be...

    by HornOrSilk

    Jon Culshaw.... He's going to be a Doctor with an identity crisis!

  • Oct. 29, 2011, 1:07 p.m. CST


    by Rebel Scumb

    Well I tend to always assume that at the end of the day doctor who doesn't really make much sense anyways (of any era) but the simplest explanation is that the teselecta's records are not aware of the transelore fall of the 11th stuff.

  • Oct. 29, 2011, 1:08 p.m. CST


    by Rebel Scumb

    don't forget they are also time travelers, so in their timeline they may not yet have reached the point where they knew the doctor survived, just as the doctor didn't know certain things about River until recently, even though they were always true.

  • Oct. 29, 2011, 1:08 p.m. CST

    Do the Teselecta know the Doctor survived?

    by HornOrSilk

    I don't think so. I think what he asked was one of their "ships." And they gave it to him. They didn't know he would be using it for saving his life.

  • Oct. 29, 2011, 1:09 p.m. CST

    And the fall of the 11th

    by HornOrSilk

    It's likely the Doctor is there, but not as the Doctor. Only one seems to have figured it out... and probably because River told him!

  • Oct. 29, 2011, 1:19 p.m. CST

    Now back to this week's talk... the Sensorites

    by HornOrSilk

    I bet it would be more enjoyable if they could add S6's soundtrack to the background!

  • Oct. 29, 2011, 1:48 p.m. CST

    The Moff leaving

    by Mister Vertue

    I don't think Matt leaving in the future will necessarily coincide with Moffat leaving. I can see Matt doing another two series at least before he decides he wants his life back. And The Moff will keep going as long as he still has his sanity. As someone already pointed out, he's waited all his life for this role and he won't give it up easily, especially when it's going so very well. Once it starts to become stale, it'll be time to move on. I think he's very conscious of that happening and wanting to keep the show fresh. Prying the show from his cold, dead hands won't be an issue I think.

  • Oct. 29, 2011, 1:55 p.m. CST

    12th Doctor

    by Mister Vertue

    My money would very firmly be on an older Doctor. How much older? Well, Bill Nighy *is* an amazing actor, but I can see problems going with someone in Bill's age bracket (and that is by no means meant as an insult to Bill) and with his profile. Still, going with someone a bit older than Matt will be another change. You really can't go younger than Matt (you *really* can't), and we've all struck lucky finding Matt for this role, but you also can't go too far the other way and cast someone in their 60's, not with this show's schedule. I expect to see someone in the 35-50 age range for the next Doctor. Personally, I'd choose Alan Davies from QI, but what do I know?!

  • Oct. 29, 2011, 1:57 p.m. CST

    The Doctor and a toblerone

    by Mister Vertue

    Wouldn't it be rather amusing to see a toblerone get mentioned in the show at some point? That *has* to happen in the next series, right? How can it *not* happen?

  • Oct. 29, 2011, 1:57 p.m. CST


    by glenn_the_frog

    Okay. Using a *real world* example. In 1972, a man appeared on scene whose true identity was revealed to no one. He went by the name of "Deep Throat". With information he provided, the Watergate scandal was unveiled. As a result of his actions, Nixon resigned, the position of American president was forever more put under suspicion, the country shifted, and Nixon erased 18 minutes of tape where he had listened to Alice's Restaurant. Newspapers, movies, history books, and schools, for the next 30 years, revealed that the man was named Deep Throat, and this is what was taught. What the entire world thought. What Deep Throat had done had ramifications, even though no one knew if he was alive or still having any impact on the world or his real name. Thirty one years later, Deep Throat was revealed to be former Federal Bureau of Investigation Associate Director Mark Felt. Suddenly, the world knows he is, what he did for thirty years, and credit /blame can be given where it is due. But it does not change the fact that, to the world, for thirty years he was merely the anonymous Deep Throat, and he quite easily could have been dead or your next door neighbor. Its the same with the Doctor. He only needs to be "dead" on the relative timelines of the time agency and the silence for as long as it takes to properly deal with them. Just because they are timetravelers, and they know what is written down about history, does not mean they have all the omniscient FACTS about the history.

  • Oct. 29, 2011, 2:03 p.m. CST

    MOV re: The Moff's tenure

    by Merrick

    ** "prying the show from his cold, dead hands won't be an issue" ** This is tremendously exciting! Means he'll have more time to bring back Sensorites!

  • Oct. 29, 2011, 2:20 p.m. CST

    Merrick - Sensorites

    by Mister Vertue

    Yes, I expect them to return with The Rani as their leader. That episode will probably feature in series 8 that's being fully animated by Aardman Animation and directed by Speilberg. Apparently they're working on it now with Michael Bay as the new show-runner. Must be true because I've just read it on a tabloid newspaper website. Matt won't be doing that series, but Joe Pasquale will be doing the voice of the plasticine Doctor with Peter Sallis as the voice of Omega.

  • Oct. 29, 2011, 2:35 p.m. CST

    The Sensorites episode itself

    by Mister Vertue

    Not one of the best, is it? Very much a product of its time. To call it 'plodding' would be more than generous. You try to find the positives in each episode (especially those from the 60's in general), but sometimes there really isn't much to find, although you always have to remember what they were working with back then, especially in terms of production, budget and talent limitations. It really is a miracle that the show survived into the 70's and beyond.

  • Oct. 29, 2011, 2:37 p.m. CST


    by Mister Vertue

    Have there been reviews of these stories yet? I've always been rather partial to both of them and would love to hear what others have to say about them. If we're going in order from Hartnell's stories then I'll have to be patient, won't I?

  • Oct. 29, 2011, 2:37 p.m. CST

    by Merrick

  • Oct. 29, 2011, 2:39 p.m. CST

    maelstrom zero re: fixed points in time

    by DoctorTom

    I think you're overlooking something. This was a manufactured fixed point. The Silence were trying to set things up so that the Doctor died there, and that his death would be the fixed point. The Doctor caught on to this, so he managed to work things so the the fixed point was that something that looked like the Doctor was shot and apparently killed, while the Doctor watched from inside the safety of the Teselecta. There was no change at all to the fixed point at all (except for River almost botching it up) - the fixed point was always the Teselecta getting shot. There was never a point at which the Doctor was shot and died there; it was always the Teselecta. Events never changed at the fixed point, just your perception of what happened there.

  • Oct. 29, 2011, 2:43 p.m. CST

    Hornorsilk - the Teselecta most certainly know the Doctor is alive

    by DoctorTom

    You're making a mistake - the Teselecta is the name of the robot ship that is being piloted; it isn't a race. The Doctor was in the Teselecta at Lake Silencio, therefore the crew (and presumably the Teselecta's data banks) know about the Doctor still being alive after Lake Silencio - after they have gone through it themselves. The crew of the Teselecta hadn't gone through it themselves at the time of Let's Kill Hitler, so all the data banks had at that time was the story that the Doctor died.

  • Oct. 29, 2011, 2:44 p.m. CST

    The Mara

    by Mister Vertue

    I could see that villain coming back at some point. Hey, anything is possible with this show eh? All we need now is to work out a way to bring Martin Clunes back as Lon. Maybe Lon's twin brother can pop up in a cameo? Genius. This stuff writes itself, it really does.

  • Oct. 29, 2011, 2:44 p.m. CST


    by HornOrSilk

    Kinda/Snakedance are favorites of mine, especially Kinda. I wish the third had been made, but still, the Doctor a holy fool? Got to love that!

  • Oct. 29, 2011, 2:44 p.m. CST

    by Merrick

  • Oct. 29, 2011, 2:47 p.m. CST

    MOV - Alan Davies

    by Terry

    Davies would be a hoot as the Doctor. A bit "spacier" but still a lot of fun. I personally am praying for an appearance by Stephen Fry. How much fun would writing dialogue between Smith and Fry be? And not the obvious Victorian setting either. Something futuristic and off planet I think. :) Wonder when the next appearance by a Who actor will be on Top Gear? Think the Moff woud be interested in barreling the "C apostrophe D" around and old airfield? And thank you for the welcome Gotilk and SJW. I enjoy the posts you both make and look forward to adding my 2 cents worth.

  • Oct. 29, 2011, 2:48 p.m. CST


    by HornOrSilk

    You are assuming there is only one such ship. I think we are led to believe this, to some degree. But what if there are more than one? What if his request that he got to have one for himself? There. They don't know what he did with it.

  • Oct. 29, 2011, 2:48 p.m. CST

    Anything is possible?

    by HornOrSilk

    So I am expected the Dancing with Daleks episode for next season?

  • For some reason, I have a suspicion we'll be seeing Terileptils or Tractators again in a year or two. There's no good reason for feeling that way about the Terileptils; they were an interesting looking alien race, but didn't have that much going for them otherwise. Tractators, though....maybe we get to see the TARDIS land on a planet that's already being used as a spaceship by the Tractators. You can add humans to the mix by having crashed spaceships (imagine coming out of hyperspace and having a planet in a position where it doesn't belong about 1 mile in front of you.)

  • Oct. 29, 2011, 2:52 p.m. CST

    Sensorites vs the Ood

    by HornOrSilk

    A war started by the Great Intelligence....

  • Oct. 29, 2011, 2:53 p.m. CST

    According to the Sunday Sun 'newspaper'

    by Mister Vertue

    James Caan will be making an appearance as Dalek Caan in the next series. And who am I to argue with such a reliable source of information?

  • Oct. 29, 2011, 2:54 p.m. CST

    MOV, it would be fun to see Amy possed by the Mara...

    by Red43jes

    In fact, during Matts first episode, I sorta thought that the snake thing in the room Amy had never seen seemed influenced a bit by the Mara...

  • Oct. 29, 2011, 2:54 p.m. CST

    MOV - Kinda/Snakedance

    by DoctorTom

    I don't think there's a Merrick review yet, but I've put a few snarky comments on the stories in the Closing Time thread - they're at the bottom. (I've put comments up through The Twin Dilemma now - I'm working on regaining my will to live enough to be able to get through Timelash). Warning: don't try to get to the thread using a mobile device - there's over 3000 posts (actually I think there's over 3200 now) in the thread (and about to be at least one more just to show Caractuspotts he'll have to work harder than that to be last ;) )

  • Oct. 29, 2011, 2:58 p.m. CST


    by Mister Vertue

    There was indeed supposed to be a third story in the Mara series, and I don't see why that can't still happen. The Mill would have some fun with that character and we all thought The Mara was dead the first time around, so why can't it come back yet again?

  • Oct. 29, 2011, 2:59 p.m. CST

    I think we saw Amy possessed by the Mara in this video

    by HornOrSilk

  • Oct. 29, 2011, 3:01 p.m. CST

    Horn - I'm not making that assumption

    by DoctorTom

    They referred to the ship as the Teselecta before. The only assumption I'm making (not that it's that big an assumption) is that the people actually name their ships differently, so if he had a different one it wouldn't have been called the Teselecta. As for there not being any other crew on board, I'll grant you the remote possibility of that....but in that case, he would have needed to have been up in the bridge in order to operate the ship, not down at the eye. There wasn't really enough time between his whispering to River, giving that speech about how that was his true name, and her looking in the eye for him to have made it all the way to the eyehole.

  • Oct. 29, 2011, 3:01 p.m. CST

    Kinda and Snakedance are both excellent.

    by The Transformed Man

    Davison had a pretty solid run. And he really went out with a bang. I'm trying to get Nicola Bryant on standby for my regeneration.

  • Oct. 29, 2011, 3:01 p.m. CST

    phineas999 - Welcome to the Docbacks!

    by Mister Vertue

    Alan Davies *is* a hoot, isn't he? I could see him delivering some great lines from Moffat. It's a role I could see him testing his acting chops in and surprising one or two people with the darker side of the character. He's also a really nice, down-to-earth bloke, which always helps!

  • Oct. 29, 2011, 3:02 p.m. CST

    MOV -- well, it would be a fourth story now, right?

    by HornOrSilk

    After the BF audios... though what I meant is that I wish the original planned story had been written and produced for the 5th Doctor. I have no problem with more Mara stories. I do think it would be wonderful if it went with my Doctor Who meets Ashoka story idea. Ashoka's hell, where the Mara comes to life..

  • Oct. 29, 2011, 3:03 p.m. CST


    by HornOrSilk

    Unless the Doctor configured the ship so the bridge would be with the eye, or there is a way to show inside the ship in the eye.. I think he was alone.

  • Oct. 29, 2011, 3:04 p.m. CST

    Merrick, nice pumpkins

    by Mister Vertue

    The Doctor versus The Predator on the Fields of Trenzalore, under a full moon. Or is it a space-station?

  • Oct. 29, 2011, 3:06 p.m. CST

    Horn - dancing with Daleks

    by DoctorTom

    It's possible, but the Daleks that get voted out tend to get cross and exterminate the judges. Now, if you broaden it out, you could have a Dancing With the Aliens episode, where you get to see Judoon, Sontarans and Ood out on the dance floor. There would be an inherent flaw in the format, though, if they were to try to include any Weeping Angels in the competition - - *I voted them off because I never saw them dance!* Silence have been disqualified because even though the judges can't remember watching them dance, they're given posthypnotic suggestions to vote the Silents as the winners. Still, Dancing with Daleks is a better idea than having a Gastropods on Ice musical episode.

  • Oct. 29, 2011, 3:12 p.m. CST

    Horn- thanks for the video reference

    by DoctorTom

    I hadn't know Gillan had done that bit As for the Mara showing up - I don't think Amy would be afraid of giant pink snakes....

  • Oct. 29, 2011, 3:13 p.m. CST

    Doctortom - Dancing with the Daleks

    by HornOrSilk

    Would be based upon this mini-episode:

  • Oct. 29, 2011, 3:14 p.m. CST

    You are welcome for the Amy video

    by HornOrSilk

    Yes, she's done quite a few skits which might surprise you..

  • Oct. 29, 2011, 3:15 p.m. CST

    Dancing with Daleks

    by The Transformed Man

    Wouldn't those voted off be exterminated by the new paradigm Daleks? Then again, the new Daleks would look more fabulous on such a show than their predecessors.

  • Oct. 29, 2011, 3:15 p.m. CST

    welcome to the Docbacks, phineas999!

    by DoctorTom

    Come on in and join the fun! Alan Davies would be an interesting choice, but for some reason I see him more showing up sometimes as a guest star than being the Doctor himself. Also, doing Who might limit his availability for QI. (Hmmmm, now THERE'S a thought - Matt Smith as the Doctor on QI - that might make for an amusing episode)

  • Oct. 29, 2011, 3:50 p.m. CST

    Doctortom Thanks!

    by Terry

    When MOV first brought up Davies I thought the same as you. But after further thought, I believe he could very much grow into the role just like Karen Gillan has. It would be interesting to see him do the darker side of the Doctor's psyche and touch areas he really has yet to explore as an actor. And speaking of the lovely Karen Gillan, is anyone else as impressed with her growth as an actress as I am throughout this last series? If after watching her first appearance someone had told me that she would have delivered the acting job she did as Mature Amy, I would have not believed it. One of the joys I got from the last series was seeing the growth of all 3 leads as actors but I think Ms. Gillan has grown the most.

  • Oct. 29, 2011, 3:50 p.m. CST

    Since I haven't seen it mentioned here yet

    by DoctorTom

    There's a video showing why sonic screwdrivers are banned in action movies:

  • Oct. 29, 2011, 3:53 p.m. CST

    Oh, and about QI

    by Terry

    The Moff, Tennant and Smith on a Doctor WHo themed QI. :) Excuse me, I think I just had an accident...:p

  • Oct. 29, 2011, 3:57 p.m. CST

    Actually, phineas999

    by DoctorTom

    Instead of one of the three (probably Moff) you do like they did years ago on the Weakest Link, and have K9 in one of the chairs, voiced by John Leeson.

  • Oct. 29, 2011, 3:58 p.m. CST

    Probably my last thing to have to say about the Sensorites

    by DoctorTom

    plodding as the story is, I did just end up preordering it on Amazon (it was one of my quick picks today so I got an extra 5% off). The problem with wanting all of the episodes on DVD is getting this (though there might be some good extras)

  • Oct. 29, 2011, 4:10 p.m. CST


    by Renee Knowles

    Nighy could pull that off beautifully without coming across as a creepy old guy. Love it :)

  • Oct. 29, 2011, 4:11 p.m. CST

    True Doctortom, that would be great!

    by Terry

    Unfortunately, my exposure to UK television is limited to what I can find on the internet or BBC America. I have only had the pleasure of going to the UK once and my TV viewing was limited. If you get the chance to do 2 weeks in Scotland, watching the telly is kind of low on your list of things to do! Though I did get to watch a new epsiode of Top Gear and some reuruns of QI. This was during the start of the telephone hacking scandal so that took up most of the airwaves. And is it wrong that one of my favorite pics from Scotland was of the blue police box across from Deacon Brodies on the Royal Mile?? Damn, I am SUCH a "tourist". lol Also, if you were doing a dream list for Doctors, could you imagine John Cleese as an older Doctor Who??

  • Oct. 29, 2011, 4:12 p.m. CST


    by Renee Knowles

    He's at work, currently, though he should be getting off shortly. But then he's mine. So nah :P How are your cat litter cleaning skills? ;)

  • Oct. 29, 2011, 4:15 p.m. CST

    Bartending as 11 Monday on Bleecker St!

    by ToughGuyRizzo

    @The_Back_Fence 12-8PM

  • Oct. 29, 2011, 4:26 p.m. CST


    by Renee Knowles

    Your explanation makes a little sense. I've just never looked at it that way... I always took "fixed points in time" to be precisely that: The same thing must always happen the same way every "time" it happens or big bad things will happen.

  • Oct. 29, 2011, 4:31 p.m. CST

    Sonic screwdrivers don't explode!

    by HornOrSilk


  • Oct. 29, 2011, 5:28 p.m. CST


    by glenn_the_frog

    That's exactly it though. You understand exactly the idea behind a fixed point. The same thing DID always happen the same way every "time" it happens. Doctor always had the robot there, he always faked his death. Its kind of like if you watch a movie for the second time. You already know the ending, you personally know a secret twist, but all the events and ways the characters react to things, are going to go the same regardless of you, the audience, knowing something the characters don't. Just because you know the maltese falcon is a fake doesn't mean Gutman is going to be any less determined to get it the second time you watch the movie. Just because YOU know Luke and Leia are siblings doesn't mean they aren't going to kiss in Empire. Just because we know the Doctor faked his death... doesn't mean anyone else does. Yet.

  • Oct. 29, 2011, 5:29 p.m. CST

    Well, unless its Clue

    by glenn_the_frog

    In that case there's only a 1 in 3 chance that Tim Curry did it.

  • Oct. 29, 2011, 5:44 p.m. CST


    by Renee Knowles

    I meant, I was focusing on the fact the thing itself needed to happen, not that *it's repercussions* needed to happen.

  • Oct. 29, 2011, 6:29 p.m. CST

    Evening All

    by shibleybc

    Have i missed owt?

  • Oct. 29, 2011, 7:13 p.m. CST

    Howdy, shibs!

    by DoctorTom

    There's been talk of this and that. With the Sensorites being the topic of discussion this week, needless to say things are drifting.

  • Oct. 29, 2011, 7:15 p.m. CST

    Well, I just watched Let's Kill Hitler again tonight

    by DoctorTom

    before it disappears off the video on demand tonight, and I have a hankering to watch some more Tom Baker. I found where Ark in Space is hiding, and think I'll start with Robot, hit Ark in Space then do Sontaran Experiment. I could use a good Doctor, Sarah and Harry fix right now.

  • Oct. 29, 2011, 7:39 p.m. CST

    we are back and forth, shibley -- look tomorrow, too

    by HornOrSilk

    But hello -- and -- you missed naught!

  • Oct. 29, 2011, 7:39 p.m. CST

    I've always had a think for the Sontaran Experiment

    by HornOrSilk

    Nice two-parter...

  • Oct. 29, 2011, 8:08 p.m. CST

    Hello Shibley!

    by gotilk

    Good to see you.

  • Oct. 29, 2011, 8:11 p.m. CST

    Just watched The Android Invasion

    by gotilk

    I'm enjoying the Baker years. That one was a little clunky, but good fun and the town (and the *people*) was creepy. There were some good funny moments, too. Really enjoyed it.

  • Oct. 29, 2011, 8:24 p.m. CST

    on the topic of regenerations

    by Rebel Scumb

    Does anyone else besides me crave for them to at some point (not necessarily the 11 to 12 transition) a completley out of left field surprise regeneration mid season?? Maybe another doctor like Eccelston who isn't around for very long, and then just gets mortally wounded in like... episode 7 of a season in some seemingly unimportant episode.

  • Oct. 29, 2011, 8:25 p.m. CST

    Hi Shibley!

    by Terry

    Nothing earth shattering. Just some enjoyable conversation amongst friends. And that's the best kind.

  • Oct. 29, 2011, 8:30 p.m. CST

    rebel scumb

    by gotilk

    I have certainly expected that to happen, but it really never has, has it? I wonder if such a secret could be kept for that long.

  • Oct. 29, 2011, 8:33 p.m. CST

    My sister asked me if Toblerones were good on Thursday

    by gotilk

    I said *you have no idea*. Then came a funny look.

  • Oct. 29, 2011, 9:17 p.m. CST

    Replacing Smith with Alan Davies ...


    Dear lord ... that would be like following the best sex in the World with a firm kick to the nut sack. The guys an amusing so and so at times but making him the Doctor?!!! ... That would kill the show stone dead.

  • Oct. 29, 2011, 11:24 p.m. CST

    Doctor Tom and Gotlik

    by Greg

    I started Ark in Space in space earlier in the afternoon but had to put it on hold to spend some time with friends. I enjoyed what I'd seen so far. I'll try to squeeze in Android Invasion tomorrow as well.

  • Oct. 30, 2011, 3:33 a.m. CST

    Ark in Space

    by HornOrSilk

    Certainly an important Who story... and one with influence outside of Who

  • Oct. 30, 2011, 3:43 a.m. CST

    re: on the topic of regenerations (rebel scumb)

    by Ken Plume

    That way lies The Curse Of Fatal Death... Though has it ever been said that, in whatever grand regeneration genetic databank that supplies the templates for Time Lord regenerations, a Time Lord can't regenerate into a previous look?

  • Oct. 30, 2011, 7:56 a.m. CST


    by Renee Knowles

    Would be nice to get more McGann or Eccleston.

  • Oct. 30, 2011, 10:48 a.m. CST

    Frozen- cat litter cleaning skills are top notch....

    by sam jacksons wig I have 2 of the buggers!

  • Oct. 30, 2011, 10:49 a.m. CST


    by sam jacksons wig

    Did she ask you if they were good to eat on Thursday, or did the conversation happen on Thursday??? Because- tobelerones, as you know fine well my good sir, are fine EVERY DAY OF THE WEEK!!! Especially the fruit and nut variety...... hmmmmm.

  • Oct. 30, 2011, 10:50 a.m. CST


    by Renee Knowles

    ... as I have four. Though they're all female (coincidence, not deliberate), so there's not much buggery going on ;)

  • Oct. 30, 2011, 10:52 a.m. CST

    Get togethers at my house should be outlawed....

    by sam jacksons wig

    ...SJW is feeling a little tender this afternoon. And the worst part of it all? The clean up the following day as the cleaner doesn't work on a Sunday. Oh, and putting your hand in left over dip.

  • Oct. 30, 2011, 10:55 a.m. CST

    Speaking of Alan Davies....

    by sam jacksons wig

    ...spookily enough, Jonathan Creek has just come onto the television. My wife looks terribly thrilled. (as she plays on her I Pad and treads wearily through the pages of her diary...)

  • Oct. 30, 2011, 10:58 a.m. CST


    by sam jacksons wig

    ....where you been, my man!!!!??? Apparantely Frozen Renee is tapping me up for cat litter duties!!! Well, if true, I want paying in fruit and nut tobelerones......!!!!

  • Oct. 30, 2011, 11:03 a.m. CST

    Ark in space.....

    by sam jacksons wig

    ...wasn't a bad story at all. The only downside for me was the presence of Harry Sullivan, who I find to be one of my least favourite companions. And of course it was penned by Robert Holmes, which is a sure-fire badge of quality. (IMHO)

  • Oct. 30, 2011, 11:10 a.m. CST

    Madame proctofrozen.....

    by sam jacksons wig

    ..four??? Sorted! Lovew cats! What breed are they? Both mine are litter sisters, and are siamese chocolat-torti points. Gorgeous little swines! Spoilt rotten. And with my wife and 2 daughters, that means the only thing in the house that doesn't produce estrogens is yours truly. No wonder I am overweight. And bald. And what hair I do have left is greying.

  • Oct. 30, 2011, 11:44 a.m. CST

    LOLOLOL Sammy

    by Renee Knowles

    You've got a cleaner? And your cats are a certain breed? Wow. Fancy schmancy! ;) My cats are all adopted mutts (or whatever the feline version of that term is). Eldest is a long-haired muted tortie, middle two are sisters (both black, one long-haired and one short), and the youngest is part Maine coon (so she's big, very long-haired, and skittish). This is what happens when you volunteer at a cat rescue. Eventually, they just kinda come home with you :P And they actually sell the fruit and nut toblerones here now, so I can do that :) *holds up litter scoop* Knock yourself silly! :)

  • Oct. 30, 2011, 11:45 a.m. CST

    By the way, more on subject...

    by Renee Knowles

    I am just finishing Curse of the Black Spot for the second time. Not nearly as fun as the first watch, but still better than Night Terrors (though I reserve the right to change my mind upon second viewing of that!)

  • Oct. 30, 2011, 12:29 p.m. CST


    by sam jacksons wig

    ...oh yes, i remember the discussion on Night terrors very well. I took it for what it was- a ghost story aimed at kids. What helped was that I watched it with my 10 year old. there was just the two of us. Lights off. The effect was stunning as things progressed. I remember her saying "Dad, I'm REALLY scared." And to me Mark gatiss and the Moff had done their job really well. That is what the intention was. The ep wasn't really aimed at adults (neither was Black Spot IMHO) and as such alot of DocBackers reacted, well, NOT well. S6 actually inherited a kind of backlash that I have rarely seen. I enjoyed the hell out of Black Spot. To me it was pure hokum and entertainment, to others it was risible tripe. I can see their point. To me, after the double whammy of TIA and DOTM it was what we needed. A bit of a come down. The biggest bang came during the Doctors Wife TB. You should have been around for that one. What I felt was a wasted oportunity with the House character quickly turned into a barney of the worst kind- one I never to repeat. It was just dreadful. Tempers became frazzled and extremely nasty words were exchanged. Things were taken way out of context on all sides, and other DocBackers stepped in and became mediators for want of a better terminology. I actually loved the main plot points of the episode, and the dymanic between Smith and Jones (pun intended) was beautiful to behold. Gaiman wrote expertly, but I just didn't get the whole "House- killer of timelords" because it was squandered. And so was Michael Sheen. Give Night Terrors another go, and look at it through the eyes of a child. Ignore, if you will, the love saves the day elements (although that was quite a theme throughout the entire series), and view it as a haunted house trip for pre-pubescents. You'll enjoy it more this way than dechipering it's parts with an adults eye. Or you may still dislike it!!! ;)) SJW.

  • Oct. 30, 2011, 12:32 p.m. CST

    Oh and frozen....

    by sam jacksons wig

    ...yes, three times a week she comes and cleans. And the cats are pedigree. (no word of a lie.) Got them from a very good friend who was breeding them at the time. (and making a fucking fortune from selling them. Something I could never do as I would not be able to part with them!!) Yours sound like an eclectic mixed bag of purest energy!!! Would love to be around when they go crazy!!!!

  • Oct. 30, 2011, 1:11 p.m. CST

    The Ark in Space and The Android Invasion

    by Greg

    I enjoyed both but definitely give the edge to The Ark in Space. Hornorsilk mentions the influence outside of Who. The influence on the Aliens universe is certain, but I'm reminded a bit more of the villainous species of alien in the X-men comics called the Brood. They had the same implanting and devouring of the host as the Aliens but also retained the knowledge and attributes of the host bodies like the creatures in this story. Strong story and relatively fast paced for the older Who I've watched so far. My biggest problem with The Android Invasion was the capture/escape/capture/escape cycle (that I understand from comments over a couple of DocBacks was common for older Who). Still a bit tedious. Otherwise I enjoyed it.

  • Oct. 30, 2011, 3:27 p.m. CST


    by Renee Knowles

    I'll give it a fair shake, but I'm probably not the best at looking at things through children's eyes. I think I was here briefly for the Doctor's Wife TB. Yes, they are quite a handful, especially the short-haired one. Snuggliest things, though :)

  • Oct. 30, 2011, 4:59 p.m. CST

    Ark In Space

    by gotilk

    I'll be giving that a shot next then. Icyhot is right about Android Invasion. I did enjoy it, but looking back that's a spot-on criticism. I'm just not used to it yet, having only seen many of them in childhood on PBS and 3 of them now in adulthood. (Android Invasion, City of Death, Pyramids of Mars)

  • Oct. 30, 2011, 5:01 p.m. CST

    On cats....

    by gotilk

    to love a type of animal and be allergic SUCKS! So I have my dog. Shepherd/Rotty mix. I love her. But I do miss cats. Especially Tabbys.

  • Oct. 30, 2011, 5:06 p.m. CST

    sam jacksons wig

    by gotilk

    Well, actually the way she asked me suggested that she wanted to know if they were good on any day. And yes they are good any day of the week. But I suggest the weekend so you can really let the flavour sink in rather than doing it on the run or between errands or eras.

  • Oct. 30, 2011, 5:08 p.m. CST

    Does curse of fatal death count..

    by gotilk

    when it comes to unexpected regenerations? LOL Makes me think of how a time lord would apologize for an unexpected, sudden regeneration... *You were so attractive, and it's been so long for me... I kind of just lost control... sorry... never happened before... honest...*

  • Oct. 30, 2011, 5:31 p.m. CST

    On the subject of future Doctors....

    by gotilk

    I would hate to take Davies away from Q I (nice way of putting it). BUT... has anyone else considered another great actor from the work of Moffatt? James Nesbitt? You may be familiar with him from Jekyll. I just watched him in a supporting role in a film called Cherry Bomb. He was great, although the film itself offered very little past a chance for Rupert Grint to sex it up and move past his Harry Potter role. He can be sinister as well as very bright and fun. I think his talents would add something new to the role. Something needed after such a great time with Matt Smith. His age is sort of that happy medium. Not really OLD old, and not quite a spring chicken either. Any thoughts? That film, Cherry Bomb, also starred an actor from another show I've been enjoying called Misfits. I'm sure it's not everyone's cup of tea, but if you think you would enjoy a very British, irreverent version of the US's show *Heroes*, you'll love it. They started with a lower than low budget, added some good writing and generally made Heroes look pretty stupid with great writing and (mostly) great characters. Its third series is beginning soon, and should be a fun watch, although my favorite actor/character from the show (Robert Sheehan of Killing Bono, Season of the Witch and Red Riding fame) has left the production to pursue other opportunities. His exit was fun though, in a web-only mini-episode. I recommend the show highly, as long as you can handle the cussing and general irreverence of the proceedings. I'm a little shocked BBC America hasn't picked it up yet. I think it would be at least a minor hit. The show makes it difficult at times to root for some of the characters due to their actions, but it pays off in story and character development. Anyone here from the UK is probably already familiar with the show, but US audiences probably have very little knowledge of it. I think it's worth seeking out, even though it can be difficult to find even on file sharing sites (could have changed).

  • Oct. 30, 2011, 5:34 p.m. CST


    by gotilk

    I hope I don't end up talking to myself for a week like last time. LOL

  • Oct. 30, 2011, 6:21 p.m. CST

    Cannot be dead already.

    by gotilk

    C'mon folks!

  • Oct. 30, 2011, 6:29 p.m. CST


    by Renee Knowles

    I'm so very sorry to have to be the one to tell you, but BBC America haven't picked up Misfits because they're making an American version. I'm so, so sorry.

  • Oct. 30, 2011, 6:31 p.m. CST

    Oh, and about Nesbitt

    by Renee Knowles

    Fantastic in Jekyll, but I'd have to see him play a lighter role before I could accept him as the Doctor. That show creeped the hell out of me.

  • Oct. 30, 2011, 6:39 p.m. CST

    I can't remember if Romana II was an unexpected regeneration

    by DoctorTom

    I just can't remember the fan press at the point - it was certainly before Doctor Who Weekly. I don't know how much the papers reported beforehand. The regeneration between Colin Baker and Sylvester McCoy was certainly unexpected, at least for the production team. If I recall, Time and the Rani was originally supposed to have Baker regenerating at the end of the story, but Colin Baker told JN-T he wasn't going to come back for only 4 episodes. This is why we get Sly in a Harpo Marx wig at the start of the show

  • Tom Baker. He wouldn't have to wear the same costume as before, and he could play him as an older Doctor. As Ken Plume pointed out, there's no reason you couldn't use the same body twice (it's just that from practical considerations actors don't usually go back to a part like that).

  • Oct. 30, 2011, 7:06 p.m. CST


    by gotilk

    OH NO. :( An American Misfits? I can just see them casting a bunch of good-looking 20-somethings in the roles and even eliminating some of the stuff that happens season 1 and 2. If you've seen it, you'll know why. And I don't mean just the couple that cannot touch each other. I mean some of the risks they take with the characters being likeable or not. Nesbitt played a much lighter role in Cherry Bomb, but with a darker side toward the end. I think he'd be good for it. You might be right in that people's perceptions might lean toward his darker side.

  • Oct. 30, 2011, 7:08 p.m. CST

    Curse of the Fatal Death is Official Canon

    by HornOrSilk

    But time has been rewritten!

  • Oct. 30, 2011, 7:08 p.m. CST


    by gotilk

    Wouldn't that be a dream come true? Baker back in the role, even for a short time, would be amazing. It is a grueling schedule, but I bet he could survive one series. If they were able to keep that secret as well, imagine fandom having little heart attacks watching it!!

  • Oct. 30, 2011, 7:09 p.m. CST

    Whotininnies podcast?

    by gotilk

    Any news?

  • Oct. 30, 2011, 7:11 p.m. CST


    by gotilk

    Can you imagine Richard E Grant back as the master? Would be so fantastic!!

  • Oct. 30, 2011, 7:37 p.m. CST

    gotlik, Ark of Space

    by Greg

    kinda of leads right into the next story (you'll know when you watch it), so I decided to go right into the next one in order, The Sontaran Experiment. That one was less than fifty minutes, so making those two a double header so to speak might be a good idea. Although it also kind of leads into the next story.... Oh hell. I'm going to have to watch that year in order, aren't I?

  • Oct. 30, 2011, 8:25 p.m. CST

    icyhot lol I know what you mean.

    by gotilk

    I have been watching out of order and eventually I think I need to just stop and go to the beginning of Baker's run.

  • Oct. 30, 2011, 8:30 p.m. CST

    @KenPlume re: Whotininnies

    by gotilk

    I noticed on your site if you click the whotininnies tag, it only leads to episode one. Not two. Just wanted you to know in case you wanted to edit the tags to include it since it's not on your list of podcasts at your site. Looking forward to ep 3!! Great stuff.

  • Oct. 30, 2011, 10:14 p.m. CST

    gotilk & doctortom

    by The Transformed Man

    I'd totally be up for Nesbitt. I actually wanted to mention him earlier but was too lazy to go to Wikipedia to look him up from JEKYLL then saw something shiny and forgot. And Tom Baker??? I wouldn't say no to that. "Using the same body twice" would be interesting, and this show does get to make up the rules as it goes along.

  • Oct. 30, 2011, 10:29 p.m. CST

    Icyhot - you're correct about that

    by DoctorTom

    I watched Robot yesterday, I watched Ark in Space tonight and am about to watch The Sontaran Experiment, then will want to watch Genesis of the Daleks and Revenge of the Cybermen (I can't do all those tonight, though). Now if only Terror of the Zygons were available now on DVD to make that whole arc complete... It's interesting to see what they have on the DVD for Ark in Space and what they don't. They really don't have any big documentary on it, but they do have the CGI work for Nerva, and the American version of the DVD actually has the Howard Da Silva intro/ next episode bits. Sometime I'll go back again to listen to the commentary since it has Tom Baker and Lis Sladen on it. It wouldn't surprise me, though, if we get an Ark In Space Special Edition sometime in the future with an improved transfer, an extra documentary or three, and possibly a second commentary track (I'd keep the first one, but I could see a second track with Graham Williams and some others involved with the production)

  • Oct. 30, 2011, 10:51 p.m. CST

    Interesting - The Prison In Space is getting a scriptbook

    by DoctorTom I hope they keep doing this for some of the older Whos. There's one that I don't know if it had made it past just an outline, but I remember mention of an Operation Werewolf story for Patrick Troughton (cowritten by Douglas Camfield) that would have taken place during World War II and involved a teleportation device. Some scripts or story treatments I'd like to see (whichever they were), and if scripts perhaps eventually having them produced as Lost Stories by Big Finish would be some of the actual stories that ended up getting changed dramatically. Some of the ones I'd like to see would be: The Hidden Planet by Malcolm Hulke ( Terrance Dicks original Brain of Morbius story that had a robot putting together Morbius The original Revenge of the Cybermen story by Gerry Davis that was dramatically different from what we saw (wasn't there supposed to be a casino on the station originally?) The Killer Cats of Geng Singh (also called Killers of the Dark) - the original story that got replaced by The Invasion of Time, which had an arena the size of Wembley Stadium filled with cat people Alixion by Robin Mukherjee - having the seventh Doctor regenerate because of a mental breakdown would have been interesting The Dark Dimension - just to see what might have been. Ironically, this one could probably be done today. Stephen Fry's Doctor Who story (maybe it could get published by the BBC) And, of course, the two big movies that didn't get made: Doctor Who Meets Scratchman by Tom Baker and Ian Marter, and Doctor Who and the Krikkitmen by Douglas Adams (though this got reworked heavily into a Hitchhiker's Guide novel, I'd like to see the original) A Gamble In Time by David Fisher, the 1920s version that got changed by Douglas Adams to make The City of Death.

  • Oct. 30, 2011, 11:45 p.m. CST

    gotilk - Whotininnies Tag

    by Ken Plume

    Ach... I bet it's a cache issue. I'll have a look. Thanks for the heads-up...

  • Oct. 30, 2011, 11:57 p.m. CST

    A Doctor Delight...

    by Ken Plume

    Probably best to see this little Doctor Who delight before it gets yanked by any fuddy bigwigs…

  • Oct. 31, 2011, 3:02 a.m. CST

    kenplume THANKS that was brilliant!!

    by gotilk

    I'd only ever seen little bits of that. I won't worry about the bigwigs though... because now I *HAVE* a copy. lol Well, actually 2 copies. One in 480 and one in 720p. :) And you're welcome. I hope it makes it easier for people to find the podcasts. now.... Where's that podcast??? No rush. lol

  • Oct. 31, 2011, 3:05 a.m. CST

    doctortom I'd love to see any of those produced in some way

    by gotilk

    ... but most of all I'd like to know what Stephen Fry's story was like. Fascinating. I've been a little obsessed lately with grabbing as many episodes of QI I can get my hands on. I also keep forgetting to order A Bit of Fry and Laurie on DVD.

  • Oct. 31, 2011, 3:06 a.m. CST

    Well we really held on this weekend.

    by gotilk

    Lovely to see so many sticking around. Warms the heart, genuinely. I'll be checking back in from time to time all week. Love you all,be well.

  • ..... just...fucking......spectacular!!!!! Once again many many many thanks!!!!!! SJW. (I am STILL smiling!!!!!)

  • Oct. 31, 2011, 4 a.m. CST


    by sam jacksons wig

    yeah, I'm sure the argument was about what the BBC wanted C Baker to do and what he inended to do. When they couldn't agree amicably, then it led to baker walking immediately, and not even sticking around for his regen scene. Hence McCoy in the wig. (and not mine!!!)

  • Oct. 31, 2011, 4:14 a.m. CST

    BBC treatment of Colin

    by HornOrSilk

    Well, Colin said he would do a full season or nothing at all -- he didn't want to be on contract, keeping him from other work all that time. He is correct for that.

  • Oct. 31, 2011, 4:41 a.m. CST

    To All

    by Ken Plume

    It is always nice to start a week off with a smile. Happy to help you start this particular week in that fashion...

  • Oct. 31, 2011, 5:20 a.m. CST


    by sam jacksons wig

    certainly don't blame him for his action at all, especially the way the BEEB was treating Who as an entity at that time. There was certainly no love lost what so ever between all involved. Maybe that impacted on the quality of McCoys firstt outing, which, let's face it, was a tonne of excrement.

  • Oct. 31, 2011, 5:21 a.m. CST


    by sam jacksons wig

    Have a good one!! I'm back to work on Tuesday, so will be popping back in from time to time to say Hi and shoot the breeze!!!

  • Oct. 31, 2011, 5:22 a.m. CST

    To all DocBackers- Happy halloween........

    by sam jacksons wig

    ....enjoy whatever you get up to today, and more importantly STAY SAFE!!!! Best wishes and respect always!! SJW.

  • Oct. 31, 2011, 5:33 a.m. CST

    James Nesbitt as the Doc..?

    by sam jacksons wig

    ......interesting choice. Can't say I like his work too much, but he certainly has the chops for the role- both comedic and sinister depending on the Docs frame of mind. He may come over as too severe, and would he relate to the audience that Who has now? (by that I don't mean the die hard fans, but the kids and tweenagers that make up a vast proportion of the audience) Matt Smith and Tennant were perfect for the roles, so would going back with an older Doc after their success be a bit of a gamble? And since Tennant decided to drop the Scotch brogue for the role, would that mean Nesbitt would lose the Oirish???

  • Oct. 31, 2011, 5:34 a.m. CST

    Oh and regarding Nesbitt....

    by sam jacksons wig

    ...his profile is about to go sky-fucking-high thanks to a little movie or two that some chap called Peter Jacksons is directing.... ...can't place the name of it however.... ;))

  • Oct. 31, 2011, 6:28 a.m. CST

    Sam - S24

    by HornOrSilk

    I do think S24 suffered a great deal from the problems the show had with the BBC. They were trying to regroup, and it's hard to do that; Time was written for Colin, not McCoy, and when they decided it was fine for him to put some different character in it, it was just -- experimental and that experiment I think affected the rest of the season. Nonetheless, I despite the budget flaws around it, I love Paradise Towers. I love the themes in it. I love how Doctor Who has borrowed from it in future seasons, showing how the themes/ideas really work when given the resources to do it right (Gridlock, Night Terrors). But it would take S25 before they finally understood what they wanted to do with the 7th Doctor. It helped, though the BBC still didn't give the show the help it needed, and so, even when getting better, things suffered. Alas. I do believe the McCoy stories, if given the treatment of an RTD, would mostly be loved.

  • Oct. 31, 2011, 6:29 a.m. CST

    And it's Halloween... time for

    by HornOrSilk

    Halloween III, Season of the Witch.

  • Oct. 31, 2011, 7:57 a.m. CST


    by sam jacksons wig

    I am determined to give McCoy as much love as possible, especially after my short thrift of him from years past, but it's bloody difficult sometimes when you have to contend with Silver nemesis and Dragonfire, as well as the happiness patrol. Fenric I really did enjoy as I loved the thematic element of it all, and I even found some love for the Greatest Show in the Galaxy. Next is Delta, Survival and Paradise Towers. I just pray I can find something in them to love.

  • Oct. 31, 2011, 8:07 a.m. CST

    Good Morning DocBackers and HAPPY HALLOWEEN!!

    by gotilk

    Any kid dressed as ANY Doctor will get several pieces of candy this evening. (unless it involves scrubs and a stethoscope)

  • Oct. 31, 2011, 8:10 a.m. CST

    sam jacksons wig re: Nesbitt

    by gotilk

    I actually agree with all of those caveats. He can be VERY scary and creepy. Great for monsters, not so great for THE Doctor. But maybe he has the range? I'm thinking he just might. Could be wrong.

  • Oct. 31, 2011, 8:19 a.m. CST

    And on a quick side note...

    by gotilk

    Misfits seems to have survived the loss of one of its main actors. Very funny and interesting series 3 premiere. The new guy is a real talent. I'd be surprised if they could keep him around much longer(hint hint). The man is a great character actor and pulls off some pretty complicated and extremely quirky stuff. Hmmmm... Too boney in my humble opinion. But that face... and that strangeness. More of the old but young thing again... not too threatening but self-assured. Oh heck... I'll stop. Matt Smith isn't going anywhere soon and I like it that way. Back to watching old Tom Baker Who again today.

  • Oct. 31, 2011, 8:23 a.m. CST

    And speaking of Tom Baker...

    by gotilk

    as well as Douglas Adams... I found a fictional-documentary (mockumentary may be too harsh for this particular offering) by Douglas Adams narrated by Tom Baker. Here's the description... Hyperland: In this one-hour documentary produced by the BBC in 1990, Douglas falls asleep in front of a television and dreams about future time when he may be allowed to play a more active role in the information he chooses to digest. A software agent, Tom (played by Tom Baker), guides Douglas around a multimedia information landscape, examining (then) cuttting-edge research by the SF Multimedia Lab and NASA Ames research center, and encountering hypermedia visionaries such as Vannevar Bush and Ted Nelson. Looking back now, it's interesting to see how much he got right and how much he didn't: these days, no one's heard of the SF Multimedia Lab, and his super-high-tech portrayal of VR in 2005 could be outdone by a modern PC with a 3D card. However, these are just minor niggles when you consider how much more popular the technologies in question have become than anyone could have predicted - for while Douglas was creating Hyperland, a student at CERN in Switzerland was working on a little hypertext project he called the World Wide Web... (end description) A vision of the future from the past. I love those. They can be great fun, like those old computer shows they used to run on PBS back in the day. It's always fun to take a look at where people THOUGHT technology was going and what they assumed it would be used for as opposed to what really happened. I think, if you can locate this (easily, wink wink) you'll know exactly what I mean. And if you love it, after finding it can be purchased somewhere, buy it. I will.

  • Oct. 31, 2011, 8:32 a.m. CST

    Logopolis next....

    by gotilk

    Yes I am cheating and skipping to the end. I'm bad.

  • Oct. 31, 2011, 8:51 a.m. CST

    Sam - Survival is okay

    by DoctorTom

    In some ways it functions as a bridge between the classic series and the new series; it involves Ace's life before she got carried off to Iceworld (something rarely done with companions once they've been introduced). It also has Lisa Bowerman in it before she started doing Bernice Summerfield audios, but you won't recognize her for most of it because of the costume.

  • Oct. 31, 2011, 8:54 a.m. CST

    gotilk - re: kids dressed as Doctors

    by DoctorTom

    You should give them extra candy if they're dressed in scrubs and a stethoscope, have a cane, are carrying a bottle with candy pills that they say are Vicodin, and are trying to be Dr. Gregory House. Hugh Laurie, providing positive role models for children ever since Black Adder. :)

  • One of my favorite McCoy stories, well, the Cybermen were in it, so, that helped. Besides the Cybermen, the other reason I liked this one was because it continues the subplot from "Remembrance of the Daleks", and, then to " Battlefield" and "The Curse of Fenric", if I remember correctly. But, to each his (or her) own. Sam, I hope you enjoy some of the other Doctor Who from the McCoy era.

  • has a bit of the ACTUAL plot as well, at least the ending - the Doctor tricks the enemy into launching the ancient artifact from Gallifrey and having it destroy the base of power of that race (the fleet in one case, Skaro in the other) I agree though that the little chess bit thrown in and the hints about the Dark Times were nice.

  • It makes me want to put out all of my old VHS tapes and DVDs of his time as the Doctor. As I said before, ahhhhhhhh, the good ol' days!!!!!!!

  • Oct. 31, 2011, 9:15 a.m. CST


    by gotilk

    ROFL!! Indeed. Especially if he says trick or treat and then when I don't hand him candy fast enough he explains ... *it's really very simple... see, I say trick or treat, then you give me free candy...and if you don't I'll wait for a short period in order to make blaming me nearly impossible, then I'll proceed to cause some kind of damage to your home. Later on, I'll send a message to my.. substantial list of local friends on Facebook that George Peters at 473854 Q street doesn't seem to have that... Halloween spirit.... isn't that how this works?* *blank stare* * I like Zagnuts.* (George Peters slowly places 4 Zagnut bars into the overflowing bag of candy, closes and locks his door, then shuts off the outside lights)

  • Oct. 31, 2011, 9:21 a.m. CST


    by HornOrSilk

    Again, sometimes you have to look beyond the stories themselves and to what McCoy did with what he was given. There, I think, is where one begins to see the greatness of his Doctor. And Paradise Towers is a favorite of mine. It's the one which convinced me he was right for the part.

  • Oct. 31, 2011, 9:26 a.m. CST

    Ok, doctortom, you are right.................................

    by axcel1

    It's too bad we didn't get another season (series) of McCoy as the Doctor to see how the showrunners at that time were going to continue that storyline (subplot). Hey. I thought the last two years of McCoy's Doctor was getting very interesting, personality-wise.

  • The snow storm that hit the northeast knocked out the power where I work, so, I'm home today.

  • To be honest, the only negative thing about about McCoy's time as the Doctor (for me, anyway, just my opinion, how I feel.) was Mel. I did not care for that character. I'm sure Bonnie Langford is a very nice person and very talented entertainer, but, for me, that was, I hope, her only misstep as an actress.

  • But, not having seen it, I can't say if that was another misstep in her life as an entertainer. (In my opinion, of course!)

  • Oct. 31, 2011, 10 a.m. CST


    by sam jacksons wig

    She was in a show called "just william" when she was a kid, with a catch phrase of "I'l squeem and squeem and squeem until I'm sick..." She wasn't much good then either. Then she caused me to slice open my finger (thanks also to my wife) when she was on Celebrity Ice Skating (or something like that). Awful.......

  • Oct. 31, 2011, 10 a.m. CST


    by HornOrSilk

    Have you listened to any of the Mel-based BF audios? There are some great ones in them, which help save her character. I never thought she was a problem (on screen) as much as they didn't know what to do with her -- she got caught in all the BBC mix-ups with Colin -- so, she just seemed bland. But the audios helped flesh her out . The ones I suggest are: The One Doctor The Juggernauts The Fires of Vulcan Bang Bang a Boom

  • Oct. 31, 2011, 10:03 a.m. CST

    Doctom- survival will be next....

    by sam jacksons wig

    .... and am actually looking forward to it to be honest. I am finding it facinating reliving old Who and either noticing things you missed the first time (or 2nd or 5th depending on which episode) or watching eps you've never seen. I am old enough now to be able to appreciate McCoy a whole lot more.

  • First, sorry to hear Ms Langford caused you to slice open my finger, with a little help from your wife, when she was on Celebrity Ice Skating (Really, Celebrity Ice Skating?? Oh God, and I thought the shows like this in the US were bad.).

  • I hope you like "Survival", a little cheesy, maybe, but, I liked it.

  • Oct. 31, 2011, 10:56 a.m. CST

    The value of Survival

    by HornOrSilk

    Is two-fold. One, lost -- where it was meant to continue the Doctor's evolution, but this was halted when they realized this was going to be the last episode (the lines written for the Master figuring out the Doctor is more than a mere Time Lord is classic, imo). The second, it helped establish a way of connecting the companion to the present day which would then be continued with New Who.

  • I haven't tried too much of the non-tv Who, I have seen some of the stop-motion animated Who, thanks in part to fellow Docbacker Simon. I haven't hear any of the BF audios as of yet. Maybe I'll give them a try.

  • Oct. 31, 2011, 11:29 a.m. CST

    Axcel1 trailers for those stories

    by HornOrSilk

    The One Doctor: The Juggernauts: Fires of Vulcan: Bang Bang a Boom

  • Oct. 31, 2011, 11:33 a.m. CST

    Axcel - shows like that ARE bad in the US

    by DoctorTom

    That's because they don't use Doctor Who Monsters in them. Having a Judoon, a Sontaran or the minotaur from The God Complex on Dancing with the Stars, or having Daleks, Weeping Angels and the Face of Boe in a Celebrity Ice Skating show would make them instantly watchable. Certainly better than Ewoks on ice.

  • Oct. 31, 2011, 12:43 p.m. CST


    by HornOrSilk

    Come on, not all Ewoks on Ice is uninteresting:

  • I would watch those shows if Doctor Who Monsters were in them. Hey, even better, how about the actors who played the Doctor, his companions, his enemies were on "Dancing With The Stars? I'd watch that!!

  • Thank you for the links, I will check them out.

  • I forgot about that, remembering that makes me even more disappointed McCoy didn't get another year on Who.

  • Oct. 31, 2011, 5:53 p.m. CST

    A Doctor-style Halloween Trick

    by veteran_of_mu

    Halloween isn't a big holiday in Australia. It's regarded as an American import. But having American roots and early memories of the Jones/Astin Addamses in primetime I'm very fond of it. This year I took the party of youngsters door to door while my spouse tidied up after a feast of sugar skulls and sorbet brains. We only attempted the decorated houses, one or two a block. Passed by the school where an exiting sports master grumped, ~It'll be Thanksgiving next~ to which I rejoined, ~Good, there are too many turkeys~. Happily my child doesn't attend that school ... Most of the decorated houses we visited were very happy places getting into the swing of pumpkins, claws and spiders. But toward the end of the trek we came to one that was ... interesting. Nicely decorated with real brooms and fake gravestones. The gate opened slowly revealing a sweet little old lady carrying a cauldron of home-baked toffees. ~Trick or Treat!~ yelled the little monsters and raced up with arms outstretched. ~Not so fast,~ said the little old lady, ~first you have to do a trick.~ Well, the kids were stumped. Awkward silence. I was thinking of intervening when one of our tikes, the quiet one with the glasses, stepped up and declared, ~I know a trick~. ~All right. Show me.~ He made a couple of magic passes over the toffee plate, then slowly picked up a toffee, made a magical pass over it, then popped the whole thing in his mouth. And bowed. ~Well,~ she said sourly, ~I suppose that counts. All right you can each have two.~

  • Oct. 31, 2011, 6:46 p.m. CST


    by Renee Knowles

    Where do you think all the bad shows of that sort are imported from? *LOL*

  • Oct. 31, 2011, 7:02 p.m. CST

    Dancing Ood!

    by DoctorTom

    In the middle of the video embedded in the page - you also get all the people from Tennant's Wrap Party

  • Oct. 31, 2011, 7:04 p.m. CST


    by Renee Knowles

    That's a nice little story, but would never happen here unfortunately :\ Trick-or-treating happens before the sun sets now. Some especially paranoid parents take their young uns to special events that consist of a series of tables in a brightly-lit convention center billed as "safe places for kids to trick-or-treat" (you know, cuz their middle-class suburbs are so dangerous), where the kids just walk from table to table holding their bag out. Only prepackaged, wrapped candy is acceptable (NEVER homemade toffees!) and some people even take it in to get x-rayed before allowing their kids to consume it. No one hides in bushes to jump out and scare trick-or-treaters anymore... heaven forbid a kid get frightened, he or she might cry and then all hell will come down on you from their overprotective parent! I would absolutely hate to be a kid today!

  • Oct. 31, 2011, 9:45 p.m. CST

    Ton of Trick Or Treaters here...

    by gotilk

    didn't expect it really. Good thing I grabbed extra candy.

  • Oct. 31, 2011, 11:06 p.m. CST

    One last DocBack Happy Halloween!!

    by gotilk

    Love ya all. Be well and remember to brush.

  • Oct. 31, 2011, 11:09 p.m. CST


    by gotilk

    Great story! I bet she's a woman with a LOT of stories of her own. I love eccentric people who are also friendly. I will now wait for my sugar high to crash and re-watch that old Douglas Adams/Tom Baker documentary. Turns out it wasn't narrated by Tom. It STARS Tom. And it's wonderful.

  • Oct. 31, 2011, 11:24 p.m. CST


    by veteran_of_mu

    Australia has a lot of things going for it. Highest median wealth on Earth. Uncrowded by 21st century standards. Cradle to grave socialism including medicine and housing. Beaches. And mateship - a basic social principle that remedies a lot of evils. Most people in Australian suburbs know their neighbours and generally keep an eye out for each other. And very few Aussies are untrustworthy. The idea that one of your neighbours might poison your kids' candy is about as alien here as the idea that the sky might turn polka dots.

  • Nov. 1, 2011, 4:26 a.m. CST

    Morning DocBackers!!!!...

    by sam jacksons wig

    Halloween over with, now we have Guy fawkes Night in 5 days, and I will be attending a massive Bonfire display when I set my house a flame to claim on the insurance...... (har har) Bonfire Night is a funny old beast- I love the theatrics of it all, love the smells and sounds and colours, love the baked potatoes and chilli and cheese, love the hotdogs (erm... with the use of the word love this is fast becoming a Harry Knowles review!!! ;)) and the hand held sparklers- but it's daft how we are celebrating a scoundrel who planned to blow up parliament. What's next? Peter Sutcliffe celebration day, where we all wear fake beards and carry foam hammers around? I wont mention Jeffrey Dahlmer Monday..... There were shedloads of trick or treaters around last night. The benefit of my home is that it is set right back and the driveway is closed access by a large gate. I don't get many. My friend, however, gets shitloads. He lives directly onto a main road, and his path (sidewalk) heads straight into town. Poor bugger. I have not spoken to him yet to see how many eggs he had thrown at his front door.

  • Nov. 1, 2011, 4:28 a.m. CST


    by sam jacksons wig

    I saw Wolf Creek!!!!! ;)) Was that actually based on a true tale, or was it sensationalist bullshit like I think it is?

  • Nov. 1, 2011, 4:33 a.m. CST


    by sam jacksons wig

    Oh yes.... it's all terrible! Fucking X Factor (we don't watch that at all) I'm a celebrity, get me out of here (I just wish there were some actual celebrities and not 90% big brother rejects. Saying that, we did have Cannon & Ball and Christopher Biggins!!!!) Celebrity Dancing on Ice (shit. just shit.) Strictly come dancing (our version of Dancing with the stars, which oddly enough I am actually enjoying this year as it had the likes of Rory Bremner, Anita Dobson and Jason Donovan in it!!) Big Brother ( the worst most abysmal load of old cack tosh bollocks ever created)

  • Nov. 1, 2011, 6:17 a.m. CST

    So, what have I missed???

    by Ithrat Cordwallis

    Hello Docbackers, long time no post By the smells of it, it seems that the Sensorites is one to miss; might see if I can root it out on the Tube of You regardless, when I have a spare few minutes, which I never have. And all this talk of Sly McCoy's doc - he's not been positively re-appraised in the gargantuan brain of Ithrat yet; maybe had I seen him when I was seven I would be more positive, but everything I've seen and remember of S24,25 & 26 still leave me cold. Also, I imagine I am somewhat odd even amongst McCoy dissenters as I don't even have time for 'The Curse of Fenric', as when I watched it I just got tired of not being given any indication of what the plot was, and I got impatient having to wait until the final episode to find out what any of the previous episodes actually meant. Mind you, I don't absolutely loathe Time and the Rani (only mostly loathe it), so make of that whatever you will...

  • Nov. 1, 2011, 6:21 a.m. CST


    by Ithrat Cordwallis

    I was accosted by a child on a Trick or Treaton Sunday evening; first time for years, actually. And funnily enough, it happened in a pub. And this child was after cold, hard cash -she didn't want the 'Homes and Gardens' supplement from my newspaper, nor a scotch. Thing is, she didn't seem to have anything which she could have tricked me with - looked to me like kids aren't well enough versed in evil nastiness these days... So, the Sensorites (again) - the video cover makes the make-up look quite good. Shame the story is so stinky, I suppose.

  • Nov. 1, 2011, 6:28 a.m. CST

    Oh, and a couple more things, whilst I'm here...

    by Ithrat Cordwallis

    I seem to have still made no input to the Trello project; sorry about that. I'm still having difficulty with the interface, and have been doing all sorts of other things; y'all know what it's like, I'm sure. What I do have, though (and this link is for Gotilk, most of all) is some more *cough* fanfic. This one is an example of the worst of all mongrels, the "crossover". In fact, it could be argued that it is a three-way crossover... However, to retain some air of mystery, I'm not going to tell you what it's crossed over with, and mention only that it's all a bit meta. It can be found here: Or here: Oh, and have I mentioned before I'd love to see Whoopie Goldberg as the next Doctor? I have? Thought so...

  • Nov. 1, 2011, 7:32 a.m. CST

    @Sam on Oz

    by veteran_of_mu

    Wolf Creek? Fiction. Cars That Ate Paris? Fiction. Road Warrior? Fiction ;-) Now that's not to say you can't get slaughtered by psychos somewhere in outback Australia - there was a very notorious serial killer named Ivan Milat whom I think inspired Wolf Creek. But we have pretty strong gun laws here - you're much more likely to wind up on the wrong end of a machete than a shotgun. And in the grand scheme of things that's really not very likely at all. I myself lived in the bush for about 2 years. Like most folk in rural areas I left my doors and windows unlocked, never had any problem with human predators at all nor knew anyone who did. People in the bush know they have to rely on each other in case of trouble - far more trustworthy than city fellers. And I should mention that John Jarratt, who played the psycho in Wolf Creek, was a next door neighbour of mine back when I ran a teahouse in Tweed Shire. Which, if you've never heard of it, is an even greener and prettier part of the world than where Quint is presently. Jarratt is of course a great gentleman. Then there was the day my wife was saved from a flood by Russell Crowe. No, I am not kidding. Though I don't expect you to believe it. I mean, who would? She didn't believe it at the time either!

  • Nov. 1, 2011, 7:43 a.m. CST

    To give you an idea ...

    by veteran_of_mu

    These were both filmed in my little valley:

  • Nov. 1, 2011, 8:13 a.m. CST


    by Ithrat Cordwallis

  • Nov. 1, 2011, 8:18 a.m. CST


    by Ithrat Cordwallis

    Second time lucky... Q: Why are Australians so good at sport? A: Good food and diet; open air life; juicy steaks; sunshine—and the total absence of any kind of intellectual distraction. Ah, valley living - nice area you have there, Caractacus, but give me where I live any day of the week. Why, just a few weeks ago, the entire area was on lockdown for several nights because the local 'characters' set fire to it.

  • Nov. 1, 2011, 9:05 a.m. CST

    a very pretty little valley....

    by sam jacksons wig

    ...unfortunately, I live slap bang next to a major city. It has its own kind of "smog..."

  • Nov. 1, 2011, 9:06 a.m. CST

    And the Road Warrior is FICTION??????....

    by sam jacksons wig

    ...when the hell was anyone going to tell me THAT?????? :))

  • So, I guess when the UK import american tv shows, they get, the good, the bad, and, the very ugly. Oh, but, wait, we (the US) got "The X Factor" and "American Idol" from the UK, gee, thanks, Sam! LOL

  • Nov. 1, 2011, 3:10 p.m. CST


    by sam jacksons wig

    ...blame Simon Fucking Cowell!!!!! Everyone else does!!! But he has the luxury of not giving two shits because he's so fucking rich! :)) :))

  • I do blame Mr Cowell. OH BOY, I don't think there is anyone else like him in the world!!

  • though I suspect Cowell would have wanted too much money for it.

  • Nov. 1, 2011, 5:58 p.m. CST

    Hello Stonehenge!

    by HornOrSilk

  • Nov. 1, 2011, 6:09 p.m. CST

    Time has now been rewritten

    by HornOrSilk

    And the universe has become all legos...

  • Nov. 1, 2011, 7:23 p.m. CST

    something to make you smile

    by attcbf

    A video from David Tennant, Catherine Tate and John Barrowman to thank Russell T. Davies and Julie Gardner for their excellent work on the series.

  • Nov. 1, 2011, 7:31 p.m. CST

    another great video from the wrap party for the Tennant era

    by attcbf

    To The Proclaimers "I'm Gonna Be (500 Miles)", here's the cast and crew special for the end of David Tennant's tenure as the Doctor.

  • Nov. 1, 2011, 7:56 p.m. CST


    by Renee Knowles

    Technically speaking, a neighbor poisoning your kid's candy has never happened here. It's an urban myth that everyone just... believes.

  • Nov. 1, 2011, 8:12 p.m. CST


    by Renee Knowles

    Uh... I was under the impression that the day wasn't "celebrating" Fawkes but rather quite the opposite. Isn't the origin of the bonfires basically from burning his effigy? Speaking o' which, not sure if you're aware, but November 5th is being used as a day of protest against the big banks here in the States by closing your accounts with them en masse. You can blame V for Vendetta for that ;) So yeah... I guess "celebrate" might not be too far off after all. And I second Rich's sentiment. We most certainly do blame Cowell. For me, he turned American Idol from a strange study of entertainment habits into a full-on blight on our culture.

  • Nov. 1, 2011, 10:35 p.m. CST

    Various replies

    by veteran_of_mu

    @Sam - Road Warrior was fiction. But Beyond Thunderdome was transcribed directly from the Hansard record of parliamentary proceedings under the Keating government in the 80s. @Ithrat - I regret I've been too busy to play with Thyrsus either. Let's have a go at it next week if you like and see if we can make something of it. @attcbf - LOL!

  • Nov. 2, 2011, 12:30 a.m. CST

    Nice DocBack this week.

    by gotilk

    Been busy again, sadly. Will read up tomorrow and say hi. Be well!

  • Nov. 2, 2011, 3:01 a.m. CST


    by sam jacksons wig

    The origin of the Guy was to burn Fawkes, but the origin of the fireworks is to celebrate the fact that parliament was almost engulfed in fire and flambe'd. (there is a little village not too far from where I live that every 5th Nov organise massive marches and burn effigies of the pope!!!! I shit you not!!) As for Cowell being a blight on our culture- oh yeah!!! The worstt part? He is so fucking successful with it, so what does it say about the majority of our culture in the first place?? (erm...that's not a cue for a socialistic rant...) Now, about starting that Jeffrey Dalmer Monday.........

  • Nov. 2, 2011, 3:06 a.m. CST


    by sam jacksons wig, let me get this straight. Both Tina Turner and Angry Anderson has had a hand in siring Thomas Curson Hansard, and as a result have turned Bartertown into a printing factory that moonlights as Westminster? Hmmmmm....I could actually see that happening (after 12 glasses of scotch...)

  • Nov. 2, 2011, 3:08 a.m. CST

    And the Road Warrior is STILL fiction??????.....

    by sam jacksons wig

    ...if I say it 5 times whilst looking in a mirror I may just be able to undo it. Or I could get the nightrider appear and shove an exhaust pipe right up my arsehole. I'm willing to take that chance!!!!!!!!

  • Nov. 2, 2011, 3:09 a.m. CST

    BREAKING NEWS!!!!!!!

    by sam jacksons wig

    Goose and Johnny The Boy are now helping me to remove a badly placed exhaust pipe. More on this development later.

  • Nov. 2, 2011, 3:19 a.m. CST

    attcbf - you have my sincere thanks!!!!

    by sam jacksons wig

    That actually had me liking Catherine Tate for 6 minutes. And that IS a major miracle!!!!

  • Nov. 2, 2011, 3:23 a.m. CST

    That audio from McCoy gives me goosebumps!!!!!....

    by sam jacksons wig is just fucking amazing to imagine what he could have become, how great he could have really been if the material had been there for him. What a fucking waste.

  • Nov. 2, 2011, 3:32 a.m. CST

    And in tribute to the 7th Doc, cop a load of this....

    by sam jacksons wig I rather enjoyed it.

  • Nov. 2, 2011, 3:40 a.m. CST

    New Doctor Who game to download from the BBC ......

    by sam jacksons wig

    And here's the link guys!!! Enjoy!!!

  • Nov. 2, 2011, 3:42 a.m. CST

    Need to go...I have a thirst for Castrol GTX...

    by sam jacksons wig

    ...speak soon!!!

  • Nov. 2, 2011, 3:45 a.m. CST

    Sam- with the audio of the 7th Doctor

    by HornOrSilk

    The music added to it (and yes, some animation) really does show the strength of his Doctor -- you can get the difference between him and Matt and there is really something darker with the McCoy reading (imo), more of a menace even (he's the one most willing to set traps!), but, yes, it really IS a shame what he got for his era. And I still can't believe it that McCoy ALMOST was Bilbo in the Lord of the Rings movies, and now will be in The Hobbit as Radagast. That shows you Jackson was able to see the good in his Doctor, too (for it is from Doctor Who he knew McCoy). And yes, that was a nicely done video.

  • Nov. 2, 2011, 8:45 a.m. CST

    Nice to see a little McCoy love here.

    by gotilk

    The potential was there, for sure.

  • Nov. 2, 2011, 10:56 a.m. CST


    by sam jacksons wig

    ...DocBack is back to how it was- a bunch of people enjoying each others company, and having a blast doing it!!! Oh, and talking about a little thing called Doctor Who.

  • Nov. 2, 2011, 10:58 a.m. CST

    I liked McCoy

    by DoctorTom

    I even like McCoy during Season 24, but had problems with some of the stories themselves, or production elements of the stories. I've also enjoyed his Big Finish audios. The Fearmonger, Dust Breeding, Master (which, granted, was more focused on the Master), The Harvest were all good, and my favorites of his right now (not counting Lost Stories or Companion Chronicles) are Colditz and Shadow of the Scourge. The last one, Shadow of the Scourge, I especially like since it was Paul Cornell writing a story that had the 7th Doctor, Ace AND Benny in it - it could have been a New Adventure in the early-mid 90's, and captures it perfectly. (I also really like the Bernice Summerfield stories, so having Benny with the Doctor was a bonus.)

  • Nov. 2, 2011, 11 a.m. CST

    Colditz is an appropriate one for now

    by DoctorTom

    because of some timey wimey things involved with the story. I think Moffat would approve of the story, and it wouldn't surprise me at some point if it's used as the springboard for a story in the TV series.

  • Nov. 2, 2011, 3:30 p.m. CST

    doctortom its sequels, more appropriate

    by HornOrSilk

    Especially The Architects of History.

  • Nov. 2, 2011, 3:54 p.m. CST

    Goodnight DocBackers.....

    by sam jacksons wig

    ....speak to you all soon.

  • Nov. 2, 2011, 4:13 p.m. CST

    Sam, good night??????????????????????????????????????

    by axcel1

    Oh, right, six hour time difference! LOL

  • He was a little silly, I thought, in his first year, but, after that, he got, a little at a time, darker and more and more mysterious. Like I said, I wish he had gotten another year or two so we could see where the showrunners at that time were going, story-wise.

  • Nov. 2, 2011, 4:29 p.m. CST

    Horn, haven't listened to the sequels yet

    by DoctorTom

    I'm way behind on my BF listening.

  • Nov. 2, 2011, 4:34 p.m. CST

    doctortom -- it's ok

    by HornOrSilk

    We all have a different pattern listening to them. I'm at the current Lost Story with Peter Davison (not finding it my cup of tea as the audios go). Nonetheless, Architects of History is the best of the sequels, and really deals with the question of time...

  • Nov. 2, 2011, 7:08 p.m. CST

    sam jacksons wig ...

    by gotilk

    Yes it's feeling good in here again. Nice week.

  • Nov. 2, 2011, 7:13 p.m. CST

    Colin Baker presented as new honorary President of the DWAS

    by gotilk

    The Doctor Who Appreciation Society. They claim to be the oldest Doctor Who fan group. Nice video.

  • Nov. 2, 2011, 7:15 p.m. CST

    And how is Ace looking these days?

    by gotilk

    Not too shabby, eh?

  • Nov. 2, 2011, 9:33 p.m. CST

    Good night DocBack.

    by gotilk

    Time for the weekly slowdown I guess. I will miss you. I will return with more videos later or tomorrow. I was shocked to discover that on YouTube alone, there are Doctor Who related videos being added constantly. Many of them are warm-hearted but kind of junky fan videos featuring clips or a slideshow set to bad pop music, but not all. And there's a lot of really smart, fun fans out there. Of course we knew that already, right? :) If you filter search results by time of upload, you can see what I mean. It's pretty astounding. It is a good time to be a Doctor Who fan. The Christmas special is not too far off now. But the wait after that is the real wait.... *sigh* Enough of my rambling to myself here. If anyone else is reading this, have a fine evening/day. If not, same to me. lol

  • Nov. 3, 2011, 12:18 p.m. CST

    Other Talkbacks

    by Mister Vertue

    Wow, reading some of the comments in other threads really does make me appreciate just how smart our Docbackers really are. I don't always agree what everything you say, which is perfectly fine and normal, but at least you're all intelligent and put forth your arguments and comments in a sensible fashion. Just as Merrick's efforts in here are appreciated, I just wanted to say that everybody who regularly contributes here is equally appreciated too. I know this thread is close to dying, so I'll repost it in tomorrow's new thread too, I just needed to get that off my chest.

  • Nov. 3, 2011, 2:45 p.m. CST

    Good observation, MOV

    by DoctorTom

    reading some of the other talkback threads often leads to frustration. Merrick and all the other people contributing to the thread are credits to the forum as well as being the few voices of reason out in the wilderness.

  • Nov. 3, 2011, 3:07 p.m. CST

    MOV- I've highlighted that myself about other TB's.....

    by sam jacksons wig I find most of them particularly unpalatable. I realise that no one asks us to look at them, and that the specific culture on other TBs is nothing like we have "forged" here. But this makes us lucky. It really does.

  • Nov. 3, 2011, 3:08 p.m. CST

    See you next DocBack all!!! Stay safe.

    by sam jacksons wig

  • Nov. 4, 2011, 12:52 a.m. CST


    by gotilk

    It is a truly special place. And NOT just because of the rules, I've noticed that. Sure it keeps us in check, but the quality of people as well as ideas just outshine not only other talkbacks, but other communities on the net as well.

  • Nov. 4, 2011, 12:53 a.m. CST

    sam jacksons wig

    by gotilk

    You stay safe and be well too. :)

  • Nov. 4, 2011, 12:55 a.m. CST

    I forgot to add...

    by gotilk

    That even before there were special rules for DocBack, the behaviour here was just different. Better. Nicer. Smarter.

  • Nov. 4, 2011, 12:55 a.m. CST

    See you tomorrow!

    by gotilk

    Bye bye old DocBack.

  • Nov. 4, 2011, 1:27 a.m. CST

    One last thing, MOV

    by gotilk

    I found where you interacted at another talkback accidentally. I see what you mean. I think what makes this place special is a sort of abandonment of cynicism. I can be as bad as others sometimes, but I fight it every day of my life.... now. Sometimes I win, sometimes it bleeds through. People sometimes forget that cynicism can be EXHAUSTING. I think this is also why it can feel so relaxing here.