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DOCTOR WHO: Why Eccleston Left, A New Executive Producer, Season/Series Six Part 1 Arrives On DVD and Blu-Ray, And More On This Friday Docback!!

Published at: July 22, 2011, 10:38 a.m. CST by merrick

 


Merrick here…

I didn't squeeze in as much WHO as I'd hoped and intended this week because my pneumonia came back for another round, knocking me firmly on my ass once more.  My doctors have now gone nuclear with a volley of multiple, very strong antibiotics - which I'm feeling might finally do the trick.  So, please accept my apologies for the relatively anemic article this week - but I wanted to make sure a Docback went live regardless of my setback, per tradition and promise.  

In no particular order…

 



DOCTOR WHO GETS A NEW EXECUTIVE PRODUCER…

Caroline Skinner has been named the new executive of DOCTOR WHO - she's succeeding outgoing EPs Piers Wenger and Beth Willis.  

An article at BBC offers some perspective on Skinner from Steven Moffat.    Choice quotes include…

The exec joining me on Doctor Who is Caroline Skinner - fresh from the wonderful Five Days, and still finishing up on a brand new show called The Fades (a fantasy horror series, written by Jack Thorne - I've seen episode 1, and it's BRILLIANT.)
[EDIT]
Just as when Russell was leaving, he sounded me out about taking over, Piers had strong views on who should be his successor. And as soon as I met Caroline, I knew exactly why.
[EDIT]
Caroline starts work almost immediately on the Christmas Special, alongside Piers Wenger. They've worked together before so this will be the smoothest hand-over we've done.

More from Steven ("I think I spent the entire budget on the first page") Moffat can be found HERE



CHRISTOPHER ECCLESTON REVEALS WHY HE LEFT DOCTOR WHO

The Bad Wilf Podcast provides some long-awaited (although still aggravatingly vague) insight from 9th Doctor Christopher Eccleston regarding why he departed the show after the first Season/Series of its 2005, Russell T. Davies-led resurrection. 

“I left Doctor Who because I could not get along with the senior people. I left because of politics. I did not see eye-to-eye with them. I didn’t agree with the way things were being run. I didn’t like the culture that had grown up, around the series. So I left, I felt, over a principle.

“I thought to remain, which would have made me a lot of money and given me huge visibility, the price I would have had to pay was to eat a lot of shit…"

[EDIT]
“So, that’s why I left. My face didn’t fit and I’m sure they were glad to see the back of me. The important thing is that I succeeded. It was a great part. I loved playing him. I loved connecting with that audience. Because I’ve always acted for adults and then suddenly you’re acting for children, who are far more tasteful; they will not be bullshitted. It’s either good, or it’s bad. They don’t schmooze at after-show parties, with cocktails.”

A bit more insight can be found HERE.  Thanks to Jon for dropping a line about this.    

 

 

NEW ON DVD/BLU-RAY THIS WEEK…


DOCTOR WHO SEASON/SERIES SIX

Available HERE on DVD and HERE on Blu-Ray.  U.K. readers can find the DVD set HERE and the Blu-Rays HERE.

 


A bare-bones set containing no extras save for two "Monster Files" (discussing The Gangers and The Silence).  If I understand BBC's "bigger picture" plans correctly, another bare-bones set will be released after Season/Series Six concludes, to be followed by the more traditional "whole shebang" package that'll feature the extras and whatnot we've all come to expect. 

My sense of the matter is that these stripped down discs enable BBC to get products onto the shelves closer to when the show stops (rather, takes a break from) airing new episodes.  While this strategy will probably irritate a number of established fans, I 'get it' in the sense that these bare bones sets enable BBC to put videos into the hands of viewers more quickly.  PERSONALLY, I feel a few very critical components to successfully franchising a property are timeliness, flow, and availability.  So I appreciate what's being done here, and think it's wise of BBC to strike while the iron is hot…and to better stoke the fires that keep said iron hot. Yes, it's a tad annoying for longtime fans, but it's probably a smart move for sustaining/increasing the viewership flow overall - which can only be a good thing for DOCTOR WHO.  

The episodes look fantastic in HD (1080i in this case).  If you've never seen DW episodes in HD and have a chance to check it out on Blu-Ray, I strongly urge you to do so.  The use of HD in DOCTOR WHO is among the smartest, most nuanced, and beautiful work on TV right now and the first seven episode of Season/Series Six look pretty amazing here (although not perfect).  

In my admittedly depleted state, I hazarded a list of my personal favorite Season/Series Six episodes to date - in descending order of preference.  A few of these tittles might shift positions when I'm more awake and less medicated, but at the moment it goes something like…

1)  "A Good Man Goes To War"
2)  "The Doctor's Wife"
3)  "The Almost People"
3)  "The Day of the Moon"
4)  "The Impossible Astronaut"
6)  "The Rebel Flesh"  
7)  "The Curse of the Black Spot" (which sucked less on repeated viewings, but…you know…)


Again, not sure if this list would remain the same after I snap out of it, but for now it seems reasonably defensible.  Favorite moments of this batch?  The closing sequence of "The Almost People," the pre-title sequence of "A Good Man Goes To War," and any scene in which Canton Everett Delaware III appears. 
 

 

RANDOM PONDERING…

I've been going through "DOCTOR WHO CONFIDENTIAL" - beginning with the Eccleston era, working my way up to Season/Series 5 (which is where I started watching the CONFIDENTIALs).  I'm seeing the U.K broadcast version of these, not the stripped-down DVD/Blu-Ray versions, by the way. 

Between these, and the chronological catch-up I'm doing with "older" episodes, a question springs to mind - which I now submit for possible consideration in the Docback below:

Was there ever a truly inadequate Doctor? The sense I'm developing is that all Doctors carried great…perhaps even brilliant…potential, although some were hamstrung by the material of their particular era.  Thoughts?  

 

 

coming next week

"Marco Polo" (recon and audio)

and either "The Sunmakers" (Baker, Story #95) or "Paradise Towers" (McCoy, Story #149) 

- tell me which one you'd prefer. 

 

 

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And, above all... 

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  • Is he referring to fanboys who grew up with the series and automatically hated the new series and the new doctor simply because it was new? One or two of those kinds of fanboys around here too.

  • July 22, 2011, 10:52 a.m. CST

    Sorry to hear

    by ByTor

    Sorry to hear you've been under the weather, Merrick. Hope you get better. I would definitely recommend Sunmakers over Paradise Towers, by a fairly significant margin.

  • July 22, 2011, 10:52 a.m. CST

    "icky" Eccelston..

    by Circean6

    The hate that guy has for Dr. Who is fearful....

  • July 22, 2011, 10:53 a.m. CST

    big jim

    by ByTor

    I don't think he's referring to fans. I think he's referring to BBC executives. Or maybe the production team, though that seems unlikely since he'd worked with RTD before.

  • July 22, 2011, 10:56 a.m. CST

    Paradise Towers (McCoy, Story #149)

    by MoffatBabies

    For absolute sure. And hello all. Family crisis,mom has multi-drug resistant staph,can't stick around for long periods right now. But love and miss the DocBacks. Carry on!! Miss you all.

  • July 22, 2011, 10:58 a.m. CST

    and get well soon Merrick.

    by MoffatBabies

    We love and need ya.

  • July 22, 2011, 11:04 a.m. CST

    None of the Doctors sucked...

    by Timelord-2112

    Just as Roger Moore had the unfortunate luck of being cast as 007 in the 80's, Sylvester McCoy is one of the best Doctors but was hamstrng by cheesy 80's-style sets and storylines. You are totally right though Merrick--every Doctor had points of brilliance and they all fit into the overall story of The Doctor very well.

  • July 22, 2011, 11:08 a.m. CST

    production culture

    by Himbo

    he explains as he cites a specific example. Great Actor. See 'Jude' if you haven't yet. Script gives a different take from the novel, but CE NAILS the character.

  • July 22, 2011, 11:08 a.m. CST

    Eccelston

    by Magnus Greel

    It does seem that he is taking a piss on Who fans by not wanting to be part of any possible 50th anniversary special. It's not like he's missing out on filming Gone in 60 Seconds 2: The Revenge of Raymond Calitri. Not that Nick Cage wouldn't be up for it.

  • July 22, 2011, 11:08 a.m. CST

    bytor, I didn't mean fans as a whole

    by jim

    but rather those fans who take things way too seriously and despise anything that isn't specifically the thing they love. Like certain fans of what could be called the original series hating the new one simply because it is new. And the new Doctor along with that. Most aren't like that, but some are. Sad thing is, the loudest voices are often the most critical ones. It could be, as an actor, he felt limited by playing a character that everyone has an opinion on who he is and how he should act. "They" (BBC execs or writers or directors or producers or critics or fans, whoever) knew how he should do his job and felt his opinion was irrelevant because he was the "new" guy. Maybe what he's saying is it is very tough to step into the shoes of a much beloved and long-standing character and trying to make it your own.

  • July 22, 2011, 11:11 a.m. CST

    I loved playing him. I loved connecting with that audience.

    by Jake Pantlin

    He likes the fans. What he is saying is he didn't like the corporate culture behind the scenes who grew up around the production. That's understandable. He's an artist, and he was sick of the bullshit the suits were putting on him.

  • July 22, 2011, 11:20 a.m. CST

    RTD is why Eccelston left

    by SmokingRobot

    Gay, gay, gay all the time. It's a big club. And if you're in the club you get treated one way, but if you're not you get treated another. But he can't come right out and say that or the PC Police will have his balls for breakfast.

  • July 22, 2011, 11:20 a.m. CST

    WE WILL LEARN WHO ECCLESTON MEANS

    by Mullah Omar

    This of course assumes that he is sincere in his affection to the role itself, but we will learn who he means when he finally agrees to work on the show again in some capacity, be it a multiple doctor episode or whatever. Coming back to WHO will mean that whoever he dislikes is no longer associated with the show, at which point we can just see where the senior staff turnover has been. I'm guessing that at some point he will name names, because every interview about this seems to get a bit more detailed.

  • July 22, 2011, 11:24 a.m. CST

    Eccleston is a man of principle and integrity

    by performingmonkey

    People were being treated like shit on set and he wasn't willing to put up with that (and all the rest of the production politics going on) for another season just for the sake of a big fat paycheck and the 'visibility' the role gave him. I'm guessing plenty of people said to him at the time 'how can you walk away from this, it's huge!' Well he walked away easily, with his head held high and a great performance as the Doctor under his belt. He's been involved with some of the most important and brilliant dramas in British TV history, not least Doctor Who.

  • July 22, 2011, 11:27 a.m. CST

    Meant to post last week - found it interesting

    by I am_NOTREAL

    How many Docbackers omitted "Earthshock" as one of their favorite episodes. I'd always considered that the gold standard of the Davison years, even discounting the big ending -- cool new take on a classic villain, good action scenes, exciting military adventure vibe, mystery, and a slam-dunk alt history spin with the dinosaur extinction angle. I even watched it on DVD a few years ago and found it held up rather well, for a twentysomething year old story. The cliffhangers aren't particularly good, but overall it still seemed solid. Just found it interesting, not interested in slighting anyones taste but I'd be curious to know why it didn't make the grade for you.

  • July 22, 2011, 11:35 a.m. CST

    Merrick... Rest, be well!!!!

    by El Vader

    Don't screw with the big P because the big P will screw with you! Gaze at the inside of your eyelids for some time!!! I'm curious as to what the specifics are behind Eccleston's "political" issues are - it's a very vague and while it can mean so much, in this case it seems like it meant that he and his higher ups just couldn't get along. Is he a relatively difficult actor to work with (despite his talent)?

  • lol

  • July 22, 2011, 11:42 a.m. CST

    Earthshock

    by Magnus Greel

    The best part of that is the death of Adric and the end of his annoying incidental music.

  • July 22, 2011, 11:59 a.m. CST

    WTF!!

    by optimus122

    So Adric dies!! Why spoil that for everyone???? Didn't you read the Docback rules??? Just kidding, I don't even know who the fuck Adric is.

  • July 22, 2011, 12:02 p.m. CST

    Eccleston

    by FarSky

    I never watched OldWho. I started (only a couple of months ago) watching NuWho with my wife. Eccleston was very good for his one season, but when Tennant arrived, all memories of Eccleston were obliterated. I rather like Matt Smith better than Eccleston as well. Maybe it's simply Eccleston's short tenure on the series that makes him feel like the least of the three NuDoctors, but, well, that's what you get for jumping ship after one season. *shrug* It's said that your first Doctor is generally *your* Doctor, but *my* Doctor is Tennant, not Eccleston. Again, if he'd had more of a chance to endear himself to me, or if I hadn't been acclimatizing myself to the world of Who at the same time, maybe it would be different, but as it stands...go Tennant.

  • July 22, 2011, 12:04 p.m. CST

    This Show Sucks - Watch the Old Ones on DVD

    by Woodrow_Wilson_Smith

    When I think of John Pertwee or Tom Baker as the Doctor vs what we have now I want to cry. The Doctor was Sherlock Holmes in space - a quiet man who never sought credit or even recognition. One of my favourite scenes from the old series was in "The Ambassadors of Death" at the end - the Doctor advised the Brigadier not to rely on him, pointing out that he had science advisers of his own and Liz Shaw to aid him. It was followed by a slow shot of the Doctor walking across the tarmac smiling and confident in humanity. "I shall come back. Until then, there must be no regrets, no tears, no anxieties. Just go forward in all your beliefs and prove to me that I am not mistaken in mine." - First Doctor The current Doctor is a strutting imbecile who ponces around waving his sonic screwdriver like a dildo and declaiming "I'm a Timelord!"

  • July 22, 2011, 12:05 p.m. CST

    bummed about Beth Willis cause she was hot lol

    by TheSeeker7

    Yea that's what kind of sucks about the show changing EP's. One of my favorite parts of watching the DW Confidential episodes was her on camera interview time, she's really very cute.

  • July 22, 2011, 12:07 p.m. CST

    also, wasn't he supposed to just do 1 series/season from the start?

    by TheSeeker7

    That's what I remember from awhile back, and makes this news strange. As I'd always understood it, Eccleston started doing DW with the understanding he'd only be there for one go round. He wanted to help with the big reboot getting it off and running, and then bow out.

  • July 22, 2011, 12:08 p.m. CST

    optimus122 - Most of us probably wish we didn't know who Adric was....

    by sam jacksons wig

  • July 22, 2011, 12:11 p.m. CST

    smokingrobot

    by BloodiedFox

    Eccleston had already worked with RTD before on 'The Second Coming' so it's extremely unlikely he had anything to do with it. But hey, don't let reality get in the way of gay bashing...

  • July 22, 2011, 12:13 p.m. CST

    Good afternoon Docbackers from overcast old blighty.....Merrick...

    by sam jacksons wig

    ...you need to get well very soon, plenty of rest and those antibiotics kicking in should do the trick. Pneumonia is one of those bastards that seem to hang around forever...my mum calling it the wet-lung disease is a vivid memory that springs to mind when I was a kid- brought up horrible images!!! Hopefully your physician has told you which type you have and is treating it accordingly. Accept my very best wishes for your good health!!!!

  • July 22, 2011, 12:13 p.m. CST

    RTD

    by Magnus Greel

    I think he forgot that it was Doctor Who and not Queer as Folk. There is a difference.

  • July 22, 2011, 12:14 p.m. CST

    Ecclestone left..most probably cos R.T.D. wanted more gay stuff..

    by LORDOFLIGHT

    with the Doctor. Like the gay kiss he had from Captain Jack in Parting of the Ways. And before any fucker accuses me of being a homophobe......Ecclestone said words to the effect of "what they wanted me to do would have affected my masculinity", but I can remember exactly what he said. If so...I don't blame him for leaving.

  • July 22, 2011, 12:21 p.m. CST

    Okay- Eccleson......

    by sam jacksons wig

    ...and the reasons he left. this is not really new news, as he has stated this is several interviews previously, most notably in the printed press going back to 2005/2006 when he refused to come back, opening the door for Mr Tennant. Personally I loved his take on the Doc. It was exciting, brutal, quirky.... the whole package I looked for and could have only possibly imagined for the reboot. When he left, he went out in a superbly emotionally charged exit scene that reduced me to physical tears- I hated it, and I did not want him to go. We Had our Doc back (pun intended), and now he's leaving us????? TOO SOON!!! But he left with his head held high, and watching Tennants stuff, the way it was written for him after the first few episodes, it has now become difficult to fit Eccleson into that part and those episodes. He has gone on to make some really good stuff (The shadow line being the latest)- but at best will always remain a serious actor for serious times. For Who, I thank him. He made it special once again, and as the kick off Doc for a new audience we couldn't have asked for better.

  • July 22, 2011, 12:22 p.m. CST

    I bet you're correct smokingrobot.

    by LORDOFLIGHT

    People who are blaming the fans as to why Eccleston left are talkin outta their arse and avoiding the real reason/s why he left.

  • July 22, 2011, 12:23 p.m. CST

    I 'can't' remember exactly what he said

    by LORDOFLIGHT

    Not "can remember" like I said. Just in case there's any confusion.

  • July 22, 2011, 12:26 p.m. CST

    Wait...I thought he left...

    by adml_shake

    Because he only signed a year contract? Wasn't there a big stink after Tennent took over, that he was fired or something (or that he walked out on them) but then fired back that he was only contracted for a year, and thats why he didn't continue on?

  • July 22, 2011, 12:26 p.m. CST

    Agree woodrow_wilson...Dr Who in the 70s was much better

    by LORDOFLIGHT

    The only thing that wasn't better in the 60s and 70s was the special effects.

  • July 22, 2011, 12:27 p.m. CST

    From what i've heard

    by damned-dirty-ape

    Ecclestone left due to RTD running the production of the show like a labour camp and treating staff like dirt. I know Eccleston had worked with him before on the Second Coming but there is a massive difference between working with the writer of a mini series for a couple of months and working under the same person on a 13 part series for much larger time. I personally think Ecclestone did a great job of bringing the doctor back but also think he went at the right time. The buzz that was generated from his departure so soon was a great boost to the show. I just hope Moffat can convince him to do a one off multiple doctors episode.

  • July 22, 2011, 12:29 p.m. CST

    I admit

    by I am_NOTREAL

    I'm not a big fan of the sonic screwdriver in New Who. It's not really supposed to be a phaser. While the classic series was certainly vague about its properties, it was much more like some alien Swiss Army Knife than a real weapon.

  • July 22, 2011, 12:30 p.m. CST

    A truly inadequate Doctor???

    by sam jacksons wig

    Hmmmmm....certainly not Pertwee- he would KICK your ass!!! :)) My thoughts- they have all brought something to the table, and the beauty of the role is that the Doc is ever changing. Whoever has stepped up has brought a unique style and has had the benefit to have episodes cater to their own idium. Even going back to the beginning, I would n't call the players inadequate. Harnell- in starting it all off; The idea of the Doc at that time was of the cantancerous old bastard, who slowly warmed as his time went on. That's how the part was written and played out. It's what was expected at that time. So in short, no.

  • July 22, 2011, 12:32 p.m. CST

    Reading between the lines I'm also getting the vibe...

    by Shut the Fuck up Donny

    RTD's use of more overt homosexual tones in the show was a factor in Eccleston leaving. I think him only sticking around for a season was ideal, anyway. He's introduced right after a time war where he saw everything around him destroyed. He was broken and bitter, and Eccleston's darkness was perfect for that. After he adventured with Rose for a while he regained his raison d'etre. At that point, it was necessary to bring in a fresh face to reflect the new outlook.

  • July 22, 2011, 12:36 p.m. CST

    theseeker7 - eccleson had been signed to one series.....

    by sam jacksons wig

    ..and they asked him to do another. He refused. He was signed to one series as they had no idea if it was going to be a hit.

  • July 22, 2011, 12:41 p.m. CST

    shut the fuck up donny

    by BloodiedFox

    Where are you getting that from? Where in that statement are you getting "I quit because there was too much gay stuff"? If people want to bash RTD because they think he's a shit writer or because he apparently was a dick to staff then that's fine, but it always seems to boil down to 'gay agenda' bollocks. We're sci-fi fans, not rednecks! Shouldn't we be above that?

  • July 22, 2011, 12:43 p.m. CST

    Why Chris left?

    by HornOrSilk

    I think he changes his mind from time to time what the reason was, and I think the truth is in the middle of many things. Sometimes he says the plan was always to do only one season. I think that is a part of it. He doesn't like to stay around places often. However, I do think there was all kinds of contention behind the scenes. I don't think it was Christopher with RTD, but I think some of the directors, producers, BBC staff, other actors caused problems. I heard (but don't know) there was a lot of bitterness behind the scenes filming Dalek, people complaining of Christopher "spitting" too much. I don't know. But I do think these are some positive comments. I think it's hinting at he likes the part (again). I think it is hinting he might do a one off special, if given enough reason and satisfaction.

  • July 22, 2011, 12:46 p.m. CST

    Inadequate Doctor

    by Dreamfasting

    Not every Doctor has been to my tastes (I never warmed to Colin Baker's take on the character although I understand what he was trying to do). But part of what makes the character so interesting over the long run is that it's always a tug of war between the individual and the legacy. I try not to make judgements on the Eccelston affair one way or another ... it would have been nice to see where he would have gone with another season or two but the show made excellent use of his departure. I do hope that he's on good enough terms that if the powers that be decide to do a big multi-Doctor episode for the 50th anniversary that he would be able to make an appearance.

  • July 22, 2011, 12:53 p.m. CST

    Let's not confuse inadequacy with dislike.....

    by sam jacksons wig

    ...I myself, could not stand Sylvester McCoy in the role, but that didn't make me feel he was inadequte. He was the Doctor, for crying out loud!! And since when has the Doctor, in any guise been inadequate? When has he ever failed to make a difference???

  • July 22, 2011, 1:11 p.m. CST

    don't know about the top brass, but

    by IWasInJuniorHighDickhead

    I worked down the Bay - where they film this and Torchwood - for five years, and the production lot were a pain in the arse. RTD seems a nice guy, though. People would swarm my place cause we had a death scene filmed there and they'd leave loads of mementos and written eulogies pinned on the wall. I'm a huge geek, but I can draw the line between real life and the imaginary. BBC Wales, you can have them.<P> PS: Christopher Ecclestone is the balls. He's too good for them.

  • July 22, 2011, 1:18 p.m. CST

    HELLO DOCBACKERS!

    by DoctorWho?

    I'm surprised at how much I look forward to theses every Friday. Keep it up Merrick...and take care of that pneumonia, that shit can get serious real fast as I'm sure you well know.<p> Off the top of my head...NO, there are no inadequate Doctors. Only inadequate USE of them i.e poor, writing, production efforts due budget, politics etc..<p> As the poster above commented: Don't confuse your feelings of dislike with inadequacy of the actor. My wife is not a big fan of Troughton as it stands. Too clownish for her tastes. Ah, what does she know anyway.

  • July 22, 2011, 1:18 p.m. CST

    It's Hard to Know How to Feel about Eccleston

    by cymbalta4thedevil

    Every actor obviously brings their own take to the role of the Doctor. I think he fit the Doctor for those particular storylines. That Doctor was suffering some PTSD from the Time War and seemed angry and unhinged at times. The more "Doctors" I expose myself to, the less of a natural fit for the role he seems. But again, each actor makes the role his own, and brings out different aspects of what we know as "The Doctor". I've seen a few Pertwees, all the Tom Bakers, all of Eccleston, and most of Tennant and Smith. So it's hard to know where to rank Eccleston when there's 5 other Doctors I haven't delved into yet. 6, if you count McGann who had even less time to make the role his own than Eccleston. But he definitely brought a new energy to the role. That whole leather jacketed soldiery casual thing. If he had played it like yet another quirky eccentric Professor type, would it have succeeded as well as it did? Ultimately he was uncomfortable with the team, and possibly uncomfortable with where the role was heading, so better to leave on a high note, right?

  • I could very likely be wrong. Hell, I very well may be. I was just adding a theory to the list of others, based on the fact Mr. Eccleston's answer was relatively vague. Eccleston said: "I left Doctor Who because I could not get along with the senior people. I left because of politics. I did not see eye-to-eye with them. I didn’t agree with the way things were being run. I didn’t like the culture that had grown up, around the series. So I left, I felt, over a principle." Lordofflight mentioned above that Eccleston said something about his masculinity (although that might be hearsay). And it's no secret there were some scenes in some of the episodes that specifically addressed homo/bi/multisexuality. Guess what? Sex and sexuality is a popular, heated, polarizing political topic right now--In fact, you and I are discussing it. Plus, Eccleston also gave the impression that he viewed Dr. Who as children's programming. Based on that alone, he may have been unhappy with any form of sexuality in the show, be it hetero or homo. My comments were not made to imply "Well OBVIOUSLY he did it because there was homosexuality...Homosexuality is bad!" If you got that impression, I do apologize.

  • July 22, 2011, 1:24 p.m. CST

    @sam jacksons wig

    by Killah_Mate

    By "inadequate" I think Merrick was talking precisely about acting performances that were unworthy of the character. I don't think there were any, though - for some reason in the UK amazing actors seem to grow on trees. Hell, even the background eye candy babes know how to act.

  • Now I KNOW WHAT YOU'RE thinking. Those episodes are SO synonymous with the original actor's performance it's hard to separate them. For example...I couldn't imagine ANYONE delivering Tom Baker's lines to Sutec when he confronts him. That delivery is burned into my brain.<p> But those stories are so realized and well-structured I believe any of them would shine within the context of the story and put their own stamp on things.

  • July 22, 2011, 1:34 p.m. CST

    Hey Merrick, any consideration on doing some talkbacks for Miracle Day?

    by Shut the Fuck up Donny

  • July 22, 2011, 1:34 p.m. CST

    What up.... shut-the-fuck-up?

    by DoctorWho?

    Haven't seen you here in a while. Cheers!

  • July 22, 2011, 1:34 p.m. CST

    shut the fuck up donny

    by BloodiedFox

    No worries. I do have an unfortunate tendency to take this sort of thing personally, being gay. Every time it seems someone might be saying 'don't mention the homos', I feel like I'm being kicked away from a show I've loved since I was a kid watching my parent's VHS's. A silly view to have, I admit, but there we are.

  • July 22, 2011, 1:36 p.m. CST

    From my understanding....

    by Michael_Jacksons_Ghost

    RTD after the first month of filming with Chris as the Doctor, would have dinner readings with the cast, but "Forget" to tell him about it, leaving him out of the "Click". On top of that, RTD was already talking to Tennant about becoming the Doctor while the first couple of episodes were being filmed. Chris thought it was childish that RTD leave him out of creative meetings, but have other actors attend. I am happy for Eccleston, great actor in about anything he does.

  • July 22, 2011, 1:42 p.m. CST

    Hello Doctorwho!...

    by Shut the Fuck up Donny

    I've been stalking around a bit, but haven't had much to contribute to lately, as I'm not nearly as well-versed in old Who as I am new Who. I tend to just sit back and see what the experts have to say so I can choose wisely when I have the time to watch older episodes... I'm trying to get into Miracle Day, but it's been slow going for me...

  • July 22, 2011, 1:45 p.m. CST

    Eccleston did his job ...

    by GINGE_MUPPET

    They needed a more mainstream Doctor to get the show back into the minds of modern viewers ... His was the perfect choice and I will forever enjoy his episodes and the part he played.

  • July 22, 2011, 1:47 p.m. CST

    Sam

    by HornOrSilk

    I'm ok, thanks for asking. The last few weekends have been crazy for me in different ways. Today and last week, I saw movies (Harry Potter and Captain America). My chronic fatigue (yes I have it, it's not nice) also has been bad lately (it goes in circles), so the two together are the reasons I've not been talking as much on the DocBacks (though I will never abandon them and I do try to say something every week). I hope you and your wife are well.

  • July 22, 2011, 1:47 p.m. CST

    Nary a bad Doctor in the bunch!

    by Clavius

    Truly, out of 11 men to play him, Doctor Who has been extremely fortunate to have cast truly excellent actors each time who were able to bring something new to the character while at the same time, letting a bit of their predecessors peek out now and then. Each one has brought their own degree of weight to the role which made them fascinating to watch. While some may not have been as "weighty" as others, they've all been excellent in their own way. So for me, no, I can honestly say there is NOT a Doctor that I don't like. Have to say, as much as I LOVED Tennant and thought he'd be such a tough act to follow, Matt Smith has really blown me away, I hope he stays on for a good long time.

  • July 22, 2011, 1:52 p.m. CST

    Eccleston was the right guy at the right time.

    by DoctorWho?

    He was dark and edgy... which possibly caught the attention of many non who fans (especially some of my 'too cool for school' American viewers).<p> Andthinking back he had a 'cool' factor none of the other Doctors had. The leather jacket, strutting down the street with Rose as he tells her who he is and what he's all about. Kind of a bad boy edge that probably hooked some female viewers.

  • July 22, 2011, 1:56 p.m. CST

    What a pic of Karen!

    by sunspot_mike

    Amy and the Stars and Stripes is making me feel extra patriotic in my shorts. I wish I could be at Comic-Con to see the Who panel! And Eccleston was a monster Doctor, intense and awesome. He got some great stories too, like The Doctor Dances and Dalek. It sucks that he left so early, but at least we had him for a little while and he fit into the story perfectly. He was a darker Doctor who was obviously damaged and it made sense that we got Tennant's more cheerful Doctor as a result of it. I thought he did a great job, it's too bad that he didn't get along with everyone, but the creative process isn't an easy one and what we got on the screen was good enough to make Doctor Who more popular than ever. I never thought I'd be saying those words!

  • July 22, 2011, 1:56 p.m. CST

    I'll say this, put a respectable coat on Colin Baker...

    by DoctorWho?

    ...and his appeal automatically increases two fold. That silly coat torpedoed any chance of taking the character too seriously.

  • July 22, 2011, 1:58 p.m. CST

    More on Christopher Eccleston

    by HornOrSilk

    Yes, he might _seem_ unusual for the part. So did Patrick Troughton, Jon Pertwee, Tom Baker, Peter Davison, Colin Baker, Sylvester McCoy, Paul McGann, David Tennat and Matt Smith. People who know me on the DocBacks know my initial problems with Matt Smith. I'm a long term Doctor Who fan, and he was the one I had the most problems with - but - I find him great for the part. I still think if he had started a bit later (older) some of the initial problems people had with him would not be there (but then again, he might not have gotten the part). Each Doctor adds to the character. That's why each will _seem_ odd for the part. Jon Pertwee of all of the actors, imo, is the one who least fit the part -- and I love his Doctor. Jon's work before the show, and his lack of sci-fi interests, makes him an unlikely Doctor. Yet, he was the Doctor, and he lived it out, even after he left the show. And he really, really hit in the scheme of things because of how much he loved the part and being the Doctor, despite his previous experience and his natural disinterest in sci-fi. I would say Patrick, Jon and Tom are the three who most _lived_ the part. Now, back to Christopher. He really didn't know or get the show before he played in it. Many Doctors have that problem. I think the real issue for him is, as an actor, he doesn't like long term parts. The Doctor scared him as an actor, because what it could do to and for him is what he didn't want. But as the Doctor, he fit the part real well; he fit the Doctor's personality post Time-War perfectly (and Big Finish is doing a great job doing everything they can to fill in before the Time War, to add to the character). I would say he is one of the top _actors_ to play the role (Patrick, Paul, Christopher, honorable mention to William and Peter). The others are still good in their own way, but not the level as the top three. Nonetheless, I like hearing him say he liked playing the Doctor. That gives _some_ hope he might relent and play the part again. I want to see him for two more times. One multi-Doctor special and a regeneration. And, contrary to expectation, I would not have Paul's Doctor regenerate in or at the end of the Time War. I would have him survive it. I would have him upset. I would have him go somewhere to try to find peace, and there, have the story take place where he regenerates. And have it 50/50 where half is Paul, half is Chris. That way the Time War is past, but "very soon past" so the effects will still create the Chris Doctor. And I would have the story happen in a "real time" sequence for most of the story, enough to lead into Rose where he has not seen his own image..

  • July 22, 2011, 1:59 p.m. CST

    Doctorwho?, based on that observation here's a question for you

    by Shut the Fuck up Donny

    Do you think that if Doctor Who had been played more like Eccleston than McGann in the movie in the 90's, it would have taken hold in the USA earlier?... ...Wow, imagine the divergent timeline if that had occured!

  • July 22, 2011, 2:11 p.m. CST

    As for the DVDs/Blu Ray

    by HornOrSilk

    While I get why it is good to release them so soon, I think it is a big wrong to do so without the full extras which will be had later. They could get even more positive response if they released everything now.

  • July 22, 2011, 2:12 p.m. CST

    No, Paul McGann's movie was doomed

    by HornOrSilk

    It was popular enough for its time in the UK. The problem was Fox, when they chose to run it, and how they handled it. No one would have known, beforehand, what the story was like. So it's not the story which caused the problems.

  • July 22, 2011, 2:17 p.m. CST

    Why Eccleston Left...

    by MCubMN

    An acquaintance of mine (relatively high up in fandom - think Shaun Lyon or Steve Manfred level - but no, it was neither of those two folks) once told me that "By the filming of Boomtown, RTD and Eccleston were no longer on speaking terms." So read into that what you will. This new information from Eccleston seems to back up what that person told me. Even though RTD and Eccleston had their falling out, I think most of the blame for Chris not returning for a second series is due to Keith Boak's disastrous handling of the first production block (involving Aliens of London, World War 3, and Rose). Keith showed up (because he was in LA) at a Who Convention in February of 2006 to try and get his side of the story out. Noel Clarke, who played Mickey, was in attendance at the convention and avoided Boak the entire weekend. On stage, Noel managed to eek out a few nice things to say about Keith but otherwise you could tell from Noel's body language that he and Boak were not on good terms. Keith Boak was never invited back to helm another episode of Doctor Who. I think much of Chris's experience was soured by Production Block 1 and how Keith treated the cast and crew under the pressure of enormous deadlines. Just look at how many pick-ups had to happen throughout that first year in trying to get that first production block done and the ineffective decision to split the depiction of the Slitheens as part of the time CGI and part of the time practically (the CGI didn’t work/match the practical suits). Keep in mind they were learning as they were going. A show of this magnitude/budget hadn't been attempted in the UK before (certainly not without involving an outside production company partnership like with Kudos, ITC, or Red). I think the stress got to Chris (in addition to any personal slights directed at him from RTD) and that's why he chose not to exercise his option and stay on for more than one year. It's a pity really, because the set atmosphere and working schedule has gotten easier and less hectic - although still not matching the pace of a movie set, which I'm sure Chris Eccleston is/was used to - you are still shoot 10-12 pages a day, not 1-2, but I think if Chris gave it another shot and came back for the 50th Anniversary special Moffat has planned, he'd find it is like a whole new show and would probably have a great time participating in the special.

  • July 22, 2011, 2:27 p.m. CST

    Read what I said if you don't believe the gay thing bloody fox

    by LORDOFLIGHT

    When I can find the exact quote that Eccleston said you'll see it was probably because R.T.D. wanted more gay stuff from him that he left.

  • July 22, 2011, 2:42 p.m. CST

    Whatever the specifics reasons were for leaving, it makes for juicy gossip, eh?

    by Shut the Fuck up Donny

  • July 22, 2011, 2:51 p.m. CST

    the Eleven Doctors

    by CB Chap

    Really looking forward to 50 years and hopefully something that is incredible. Ecclestone ought to do it, hope they can recreate the dead ones with 'gangers' and use the old ones in a way that perhaps makes them look as they did...... Not sure how they are going to use the old companions, if at all, it would be cool to see an episode arc where the Doctor regenerates backwards through his incarnartions giving them all good screen time without it being too convoluted and jumping from one Dr to another. Role on 50.

  • July 22, 2011, 3:09 p.m. CST

    Return of past Doctors....

    by Michael_Jacksons_Ghost

    I want to see them try and explain why Colin Baker's Doctor is so fat!!! lol

  • July 22, 2011, 3:14 p.m. CST

    re: the Eleven Doctors

    by MCubMN

    Rather than go the traditional "let's get everyone on screen if we can" anniversary stylings of The Three Doctors and The Five Doctors, I'd much rather the 50th anniversary special make use of Doctors that still can reasonably look like their time on the show (probably Docs 7 through 10) and then incorporate the other Doctors through Forrest Gump/Trials and Tribulations methods. Imagine seeing black and white scanner/security footage of the 11th Doctor sneaking past the 2nd Doctor in the foreground or something like that! Who knows, maybe the footage in The Impossible Astronaut (where the 11th Doctor was incorporated into the Laurel and Hardy footage in the background) was a pilot/test for this very technique - to prove it can be done on the cheap (a big factor for the Beeb). Approaching the reunion special like that as opposed to recasting will help avoid the Richard Hurndell phenomenon.

  • July 22, 2011, 3:14 p.m. CST

    mcubmn - thanks for sharing that about Eccleston

    by DoctorTom

    That makes a lot more sense than the "gay agenda" tripe that some people are trying to push as the reason that he left. I'm sure he wasn't used to television, and with everybody still learning the ropes there were bound to be bumps. Given that it was the first production block that apparently soured him, it's a bit harder now to say whether RTD had always planned on having only one season of Eccleston, or if he just worked it in at the end of the first season. He would have had enough time to modify things to bring Eccleston's arc to a finish by that point. I still have a suspicion that RTD's intent all along was to do only one season then introduce the idea of regeneration at the end of it, though.

  • July 22, 2011, 3:21 p.m. CST

    re: mcubmn - thanks for sharing that about Eccleston

    by MCubMN

    Doctortom, if you haven't read RTD's book - well collection of emails really - called The Writer's Tale, I highly recommend it. You'd be surprised by just how much of the RTD era *wasn't* planned out. The whole Bad Wolf and Torchwood "word arcs" of seasons 1-2 were both 'fly by the seat of our pants" and we'll make it work last-minute coming together and not part of a grand scheme/plan. Neither was the return of Donna Noble, always meant to be a one-off character. I kind of lament Penny - she would have been an interesting companion (a maid from the Edwardian era) and a contrast to modern day companions that mostly are rooted in "present" day Earth. A lot of The Stolen Earth and end of Season 4 was also not planned, it all sort of came together - the clone hand/doctor and regeneration fake-out. It's a credit to RTD that a lot of this seems like it seamlessly comes together when really it was sheer luck that scheduling worked out for a lot of it (thinking of all the companions around the TARDIS in Journey's End). His book sheds some light on that process and that a lot of his best ideas came from late night procrastination/chain-smoking sessions.

  • Bi, gay, straight or animal lover- we DON'T care!!! It didn't affect the stories, the ratings or the acting so what's the problem then? If you have personal issues then leave them at home and refrain from bothering us with them. Feel free to diss the show on it's writing, acting, effects or whatever else. Drop the gay shit. It's 2011. Not the dark ages.

  • July 22, 2011, 3:31 p.m. CST

    Love the Eccleston Doctor

    by INWOsuxRED

    It sounds like his problem is more with a few people than with the show. I hope he makes a return at some point soon, just for one special. He deserves more than one Moffat story. Someone get him to talk to Tom Baker, who regrets not being a part of the Five Doctors. If I had to pick a "lacking" Doctor, the only one I would consider is Colin Baker.

  • July 22, 2011, 3:39 p.m. CST

    hornorsilk - the movie

    by Dreamfasting

    The main criticism I heard of the movie from non-Who fans I've talked to who watched it was the link between the Earth being destroyed and the turn of the millenium (Pacific time). People were willing to forgive all the other chaos and scifi, but that arbitrary coincidence threw them off ... and then they just started pulling threads in disbelief from there.

  • From what i've read elsewhere, Keith Borak who directed Rose, Aliens of London & WorldWarIII was a complete an utter dick (who was not asked back by the Who production staff btw!) and the unfortunate thing was that he was in charge of the first block so it was a really bad start. And even though there were better directors after him, the damage was already done and Eccleston had made up his mind to go and had told RTD to write for a regeneration. I think knowing he would be going at the end of the series really focused Eccleston into giving it his all in every scene - and it shows. Now, even though it would have been great to see him do another couple of series, what he did in his only series was wonderful. Perhaps they should have fired Keith Borak when trouble started but that's up to the producers.

  • July 22, 2011, 3:53 p.m. CST

    Hornorsilk, I agree on the McGann movie being doomed.

    by DoctorTom

    Against the series finale of Roseanne, it wouldn't have mattered too much whether it had been a McGann type or a Eccleston type. Also, you had all the friction between Fox and the BBC which led really to a bastardized script that didn't serve the character either America or Britain. <br> Even if by some miracle it had gone on to become a series, it would have been dropped into the Friday night death slot that claimed The Adventures of Brisco County, Jr., Firefly, John Doe and several others. It would most likely have also had Fox meddling the way they did with Firefly. 'People won't understand this police box. Can we just have the cloaking device work properly, or at least change it so that it's stuck in the shape of whatever car we're getting product placement money for?' 'We don't like this first episode, we need you to make another episode to launch the season.' 'And when you make the episodes, can we have the Doctor carrying a big honking pistol? I know you don't want him using guns, but - if we make it a STUN gun, that would be different.' 'We don't like the costume, can we just dress him in clothes we have left over from Sliders?' 'Oh, and we need more dinosaurs. Can we have more dinosaurs? Oh, sorry, we can't increase the budget to give you the money for CGI to put them in.' 'It's been established that the Doctor can regenerate into someboy else. For the TV series, we don't want the Doctor to be quite so British, so we're going to hire Carrot Top to be the Doctor instead. Can you put in a scene at the beginning of the episode showing McGann regenerating into Carrot Top?" 'We're paying for both Doctor Who and X-Files, and both are shooting in Vancouver, so can we have a crossover? Oh, can we do it without the Doctor solving all of Mulder's questions about aliens? But, can we have Mulder and Scully join the Doctor as companions for several episodes during sweeps week? Oh, and we lost the automobile product placement money, can we have the TARDIS change to look like a building? If we get product placement money for it, could we make it look like a Motel 6 on the outside? And, instead of having the TARDIS actually travel through time, can there be a bunch of different doors on the inside and each one leads to a different time?' 'Can you talk with Spielberg so that we can have an episode where Doctor Who meets E.T.?' 'It seems strange just calling him 'The Doctor' all the time, can't we just call him 'Doctor Who' all the time?' 'What's a jelly baby?' 'Instead of sweets, can we just have Doctor Who holding a bag of Lay's potato chips? Lay's will give us money if we do. Oh, and we need to show him drinking Mountain Dew every episode too?' 'Does the Doctor have to be a Time Lord? We think it would be better if he were just a normal human. Maybe he could be an old man. And we could have two small grandchildren for him, John and Gillian.'

  • July 22, 2011, 3:58 p.m. CST

    I'm underwhelmed by the DVD release of the first half of Season 6.

    by DoctorTom

    Marginal extras, really? I thought there had been podcasts of commentaries for at least some of the episodes that could have been included. Also, you had Doctor Who confidential episodes that were as long as the regular show itself. Some of those could be included. At the very least, take the BBC America route and throw some of the behind-the-scenes looks on the DVDs if you're not going to put in the Confidential episodes. <br> Yes, I see that there's a reason for trying to get something out fast, but in these times of iTunes and Amazon Season passes, there should be something on the DVD releases to entice people to buy them rather than just pay less to get the episodes from iTunes.

  • In the Children in Need special, the TARDIS exterior door was mapped to open into the primary control room by the short circuit. The Doctor thought that they'd be stuck in the TARDIS forever. <br> Now, we know that the TARDIS has (at least in the past it had) a secondary control room, and from the Doctor's Wife, we know that Sexy has made backup copies of other TARDIS control rooms. Presumably these control rooms wouldn't have the fried circuitry that the main console room had, and would have a different mapping of the architecture to link the outside of the TARDIS to the door of that control room. If the Doctor went to one of those control rooms, would he have been able to get out of the TARDIS that way? <br> I know that the Doctor didn't know about the backup copies of the other control rooms, and he might or might not have lost the secondary control room through the years, maybe it was something that went when he had to get out of eSpace. This is just a thought experiment here. Presumably, Sexy would have materialized one of the other control rooms after a while if this would have worked.

  • July 22, 2011, 4:39 p.m. CST

    Gay Stuff

    by lonecow12

    Everyone always says it was because of gay stuff they were forcing him to do, but if that were true wouldn't some of that showed up with Tennant? I can't remember a single homoerotic moment with Tennant. Tennant had women hanging all over him, and when Jack returned there was no affectionate scenes. Though they did have great chemistry.

  • July 22, 2011, 4:42 p.m. CST

    Eccelston

    by Rebel Scumb

    If it was RTD then he'd have no reason not to come back now. I know I read something with him where he said that because series 1 was done really on the rough with not much money and even less time, the shooting schedule was frantic and chaotic and extremely unpleasent to work on the show as a result. I also read something with John Barrowman where he said he thought Eccelston was a superb actor, but in real life he is just as intense as the characters he plays, and was sort of dialed up to 100 all the time, where as he compared with Tennant that they and their respective signifigant others would go chill out and have a beer at a pub, or go see a concert or just joke around onset with each other. The other thing I don't understand though is, didn't RTD have the regeneration planned at the end of series 1 anyways? Because its such a perfect way to end the season and as much as I loved Eccelston in the role part of what made him so iconic was his short but sweet stay.

  • July 22, 2011, 4:49 p.m. CST

    bloody fox

    by Rebel Scumb

    Nice comeback to smokingrobot. Plus I remember an interview with RTD when he was casting he said he would love for eccelston to be the doctor but he was sure he couldn't get him because he was such a big star, but then eccelston called him and volunteered for the role all on his own. I mean you have to take everything you hear about the behind the scenes of tv/movies with a grain of salt, but it just seems odd to me that if he had a problem with RTD then stepping into dr. who (which was an enormous risk given the almost zero popularity of the franchise at that time) Plus there are gay people in an film or television production, if he was that homophobic I doubt he would of gone into acting as a career.

  • July 22, 2011, 4:54 p.m. CST

    Eccelston just did 'the shadow line' which had a lot of gay content

    by Rebel Scumb

    which pokes a lot of holes in the redneck-agenda theories also

  • That the plan was always for Eccelston to be 1 series to get the ball rolling and gain some visibility?

  • July 22, 2011, 5:16 p.m. CST

    lonecow12: exactly! I was going to bring that up to

    by Rebel Scumb

    The redneck-agenda makes it sound like if eccelston didn't quit, then he would of been blowing guys by series 2. And as someone pointed out, we're scifi fans! I find it almost impossible to understand how people can be scifi fans AND neocons. I got into the same arguement during star trek talkbacks, people apparently love star trek, but they don't want any gays in it, and want to abbandon the roddenbury notions of a peaceful future in favour of a jack bauer type cut throat war show. I actually saw someone in a dicussion about trek once (admittedly not on aicn) who said that the actress who played dax was a whore because she dated Michael dorn in real life, and white girls should not date black guys! How can you be a trek fan AND be racist!!??? It defies all possible explanation.

  • July 22, 2011, 5:17 p.m. CST

    As someone so wisely said above...

    by Rebel Scumb

    whether the eccelston single series doctor was planned or not, it worked out PERFECTLY. For exactly the reasons you said. Imagine eccelston doing 4 seasons and then regenerating, it would of been a disaster.

  • after he was already fairly famous. Sure he's not Brad Pitt, but he's got a solid movie and tv career going. He didn't need the work the way tennant or smith did.

  • July 22, 2011, 5:42 p.m. CST

    2 classic stories I've always wondered about...

    by Rebel Scumb

    Meglos & The Dominators Are either of these worth buying?

  • July 22, 2011, 5:51 p.m. CST

    Rebel

    by HornOrSilk

    I think the first three Doctors were well known before the part, for various different reasons. Peter Davison, too. Paul McGann also.

  • July 22, 2011, 5:53 p.m. CST

    MEGLOS

    by Seph_J

    is, unfortunately, very hard to take seriously in my opinion. If you can get over the fact that people take orders from a cactus plant then you'll be ok. But seriously... if you disobey the cactus plant, what is it gonna do??? I never quite got past that.

  • July 22, 2011, 7:06 p.m. CST

    theseeker7

    by MoffatBabies

    I thought it was just me . Beth Willis I find VERY attractive. And also a major motivation for watching Confidential.

  • July 22, 2011, 7:14 p.m. CST

    No Torchwood talkback? Minor spoiler)

    by Syberean

    To quote Beavis and Butthead, Miracle day Episode 2 rocked it was cool. not as cool as fire of course, but cool. Miracle day episode 1 was a drag. The greasy fingerprints of the kinds of suits Eccleston was complaining about were all over it. The redundant spoon feeding of the premise that no one (with one exception) is dying, and that is not a good thing got tiresome fast. Episode 2 had drama, It did have some of the dreaded dumbing down of the intrigue, but a tiny fraction of what episode one had. They even did a nice nod to the doctor with a room full of physicians putting their heads together to do what the doctor would have rattled off in about 40 seconds. If tonight's episode is as much better than last weeks as it was of the first one, this series really could brush up against greatness.

  • July 22, 2011, 8:33 p.m. CST

    iam_notreal re:Earthshock

    by Greg McCambley

    For me, it was just a question of space. I wanted to cover the entire run in my top 25, and I just didn't think Earthshock was there. It has a lot going for it (return of an old foe, the end of a companion, etc), but for me, Tomb of the Cybermen is my favourite Cyberman story (the old Cyberman music theme is one of the best recurring themes ever. Listen to it, and see if you don't agree). I also recall one time Earthshock was broadcast on TV when someone butchered the ending. IIRC, the credits were meant to run over the picture of Adric's broken badge in silence. However, during one showing, the credits started to run, and someone started running the theme over them. But that's another story. Speaking of Adric's badge, I think that's another reason why I didn't list any of the more recent Cybermen stories on my list. The whole "Cyberman weakness to gold" is a good idea, but it just kept getting ludicrous. I can understand gold dust (or liquid gold) plating their vents, causing them to overheat or somesuch, but just stuffing something gold into the vent causing catastrophic failure? Rubbish. Though I do admit it was neat when the explanation for why gold affected them was retconned into the novel "Iceberg".

  • July 22, 2011, 8:58 p.m. CST

    Inadequacy in the Doctors? Nonsense! Splendid chaps, all of them!

    by Greg McCambley

    Let's see what they all brought to the table: William Hartnell - kicked it all off as a stubborn old man who "kidnaps" two humans, beginning the longest running adventure ever. Patrick Troughton - The opposite of Hartnell's crotchiness, Troughton brought in the idea of the Doctor developing completely different personalities during regeneration. He also brought out the idea that the Doctor will fight evil wherever and whenever he finds it. Jon Pertwee - Really brought home the Doctor's contempt of "authority" (not to mention perceived inferiority). Also the Doctor as Action Man. Tom Baker - A balance of humour and utter seriousness. Peter Davison - as he described himself, "certainly the most agreeable" version. A truly likeable version. Colin Baker - Say what you like about his fashion sense, the 6th Doctor had a tenacity when it came to righting wrongs. Sylvester McCoy - The Doctor needed a new direction after Colin Baker, and he delivered. Also gave us one of the truly great Doctor/companion relationships with Ace. Paul McGann - Gave the Doctor a new face, which opened up minds to a possible future for DW. Christopher Eccleston - Gave a great portrayal as a Doctor who's seen so much, and was almost ready to give up, until he met Rose. One can almost see the parallels between the old and the new series. David Tennant - Gave the Doctor some much needed humanity after Eccleston, but made it clear he was still the same man you don't want to piss off. Matt Smith - In the beginning, we had a young man (really?) in the body of an old man. Now, we have a young man on the outside who does an absolutely stellar job of showing his old age.

  • July 22, 2011, 9:10 p.m. CST

    rebel scumb - Meglos/The Dominators

    by Greg McCambley

    Unfortunately, neither one of those stories is considered amongst the best of the series. Meglos does have some things going for it, though, such as: -The last appearance of Jacqueline Hill (Barbara) in DW -Tom Baker playing dual roles (as the Doctor and Meglos Doctor) -and, that's pretty much it. The Dominators, though dull, does have some great moments with Patrick Troughton playing stupid (and I'm talking Jamie-level stupid. Zing!) But that's pretty much it. I have both, but that's because I have the completist gene. Especially when it comes to DW...

  • July 22, 2011, 9:19 p.m. CST

    A few comments...

    by Greg McCambley

    First of all, get well soon, Merrick. I've only started posting on these Docbacks, but it doesn't seem right to discuss DW and not have the guy who started it here. Get some rest, and we'll see you soon. Now, as for Christopher Eccleston's leaving after one season, as has been mentioned several times above, it worked out absolutely as it should have. His Doctor told the story he needed to tell, and that was that. I'm also of the opinion that he was there for one season, and one season only (which I seem to recall from several interviews I read). Whether there was any BTS friction really, to me, doesn't seem to make that much of a difference. If he's only there for one season, why shouldn't his replacement be signed before the season ends? Just my opinion, of course...

  • July 23, 2011, 12:14 a.m. CST

    seph_j

    by Rebel Scumb

    the cactus is actually my main appeal to see this episode!

  • July 23, 2011, 1:06 a.m. CST

    thatsalaugh

    by DoctorWho?

    Excellent summation of Matt Smith's Doctor. Thank you. He is an 'old soul' if you will. Thought I was going to finally dislike a regeneration of the Doctor. I am now a bigger fan of Matt Smith than I was of Tennant.

  • July 23, 2011, 4:06 a.m. CST

    Karen Gilliam is pure loveliness. Damn good actress too.

    by AsimovLives

    Even the people who don't like the character of Amy Pound she plays on the show like her a lot in real life. She's just pure concentrated loveliness. And he's quite tall too, with a great pair of legs that lass has. A true statuesque stunner.

  • July 23, 2011, 4:49 a.m. CST

    At the end of the day...

    by dj_bollocks

    It's just a TV show... :o)

  • July 23, 2011, 4:49 a.m. CST

    Or should that be...

    by dj_bollocks

    At the end of time... it's only a TV show...

  • July 23, 2011, 5:09 a.m. CST

    On Eccleston and Doctor Who

    by Stegman84

    He left Doctor Who for the same reason he left Cracker, and likely the same reason why he never returned to Heroes after his multi-episode arc, he's a very serious actor, and one who, by his own admission, grows bored easily, and who is terrified of the idea of being typecast or growing stagnant in the same role or same type of role for too long. So he never stays in one role for too long, and is always on the lookout for the next challenge. That's just how his head works, as both he readily admits, and anyone who knows him is fully aware. And yes, while he may have been seen by some as being 'grumpy' on set - a criticism often levelled at the more serious brand of actors from those who have more of a footloose and fancy free type demeanor - it was known from day one when Eccleston signed on that he was only doing so for a single season, he told them as much, and that was exactly what he was contracted for. Now RTD and the BBC may have hoped to convince him otherwise over the course of things, especially after the show became a huge runaway success, but it was clear from day one that his intention was always 13 episodes and out, and even more so when he didn't really jive with some of the suits and how he was being 'handled'. In fact the whole season was written with RTD knowing that it was going to end in a regeneration, which watching it back now seems pretty clear really. Besides, part of the reason that Eccleston may have been grumpy during the tail end of his season especially was due to the BBC putting out misleading information to the press saying that he was unhappy and leaving the show, apparently in some deflective idea to protect the regeneration story leaking too early, the logic of which still escapes me to this day. Perhaps some bright spark thought all that pressure over his departure might make him change his mind and sign up for another season, though lord knows why one would after being treated by that by the men in charge. All it really did was lead to Eccleston being crucified in certain areas of the press, and by certain fans who painted him as being ungrateful and selfish, and some even claimed he was trying to destroy the show. He had a terrible time of it those last couple of months, with all the backlash he copped, and for someone who is always known to be publicity shy even at the best of times, that was probably a worst nightmare type scenario for him. Fact is, the BBC would later issue a formal apology over the matter, something they are not exactly known to do, but the damage had been done, and Eccleston had taken a long and extended beating in the press and from easily led fans over being "ungrateful" or a "diva" or wahtever else, when these things had not been at all true and it had been known all along that the plan had been him leaving as of episode 13. So the publicity shy Eccleston may have, rather justifiably, felt a bit betrayed and upset over all that, and the backlash he unfairly copped because of it. I'd probably be a bit grumpy too. Hell, I'd probably be steaming actually... Personally, as much as I enjoyed Tennant's Doctor, I would have loved to see a second season from Eccleston's Doctor, but it just wasn't to be I guess, and was never really in the cards. Still, there's always dvd, and the possibility, however slim, of a special appearance down the line sometime if someone can convince him to come back, not that many of the behind the scenes suits have changed. Never say never I guess.

  • July 23, 2011, 5:38 a.m. CST

    On Meglos and The Dominators

    by Stegman84

    Meglos I have the dvd but haven't gotten around to watching it yet, and the last time was years ago, so I can't fairly say. It is probably most notable for having Jacqueline Hill (companion Barbara Wright from the Hartnell era) as a guest star, though not as the Barbara character alas. The Dominators, for me, is easily the least of the surviving Troughton stories. However that said I don't dislike it particularly, it's just all a bit dull, and the robot Quarks are pretty lame. Depending on what breed of fan you are, it has its moments, but it is never a story that I'd ever outright recommend, despite my personal love of all things Troughton.

  • Yeesh.

  • July 23, 2011, 8:04 a.m. CST

    doctorwho? re: Matt Smith

    by Greg McCambley

    He is such a great actor for the role, and I believe his ability to play old is what led Steven Moffatt to hire him in the first place. David Tennant did a great job of taking the character 180 degrees from the "morose, weary" Doctor of Christopher Eccleston. He played a more fun-loving Doctor, but eventually the Doctor's age started to show in the way he behaved. A lot of people, I'm sure, were disappointed with how Tennant became petulant and scared at the end, but I thought it was one of the most moving moments I'd ever seen in DW. Why shouldn't he be scared of dying? We've seen pretty much every other emotion from him during a regeneration, why not that one? But getting back to Matt Smith, he is a great performer, who has had some absolutely stellar moments (The Doctor's Wife in particular).

  • July 23, 2011, 8:08 a.m. CST

    Christopher Eccleston in audios, maybe?

    by Greg McCambley

    It would seem unlikely, I grant you, but given the fact that Tom Baker is now going to be reviving the 4th Doctor on audio, perhaps at some point Eccleston might be willing. Paul McGann was also, at the beginning, hesitant to do them, I believe. Now, he's done so many of them he's been able to flesh out his character so wonderfully...

  • July 23, 2011, 9:29 a.m. CST

    Eccleston needed to leave

    by Kauzi Sezso

    I loved his Doc (still do) and wish he'd stayed on longer. But looking back at those first two series (seasons), the changes were needed to show the new fans what the long-time fans knew since Patrick Troughton stood up where William Hartnell laid down -- the show survives. You can even change the entire main cast (both principal cast members left by the end of the second series) and the show goes on. Tennant's taking the role was nearly as important as Troughton's, and for the same reasons. As Phil Collinson said in an appearance at Chicago Tardis a couple of years ago, they weren't thinking of the old fans with the new show. They knew the old fans would be there, but they needed new fans to come on board. Without new fans, the show wouldn't succeed. So, just as the old fans needed to accept the show without Hartnell, the new fans needed to accept the show without Eccelston if the show were to continue. In my view, it was too soon, as I really liked the Ninth Doctor, but for the longevity of the show, it had to happen. And I do hope that we will somehow see the Ninth Doctor again. Somehow.

  • July 23, 2011, 9:45 a.m. CST

    Matt Smith

    by Rebel Scumb

    I saw a film he did at TIFF a year ago called WOMB which was really great. It stars Eva Green which was my main motivaiton for seeing it, as I adore her more than any other girl I've never met. But Matt Smith is the male lead is really really terrific in it. He has some of the wild unpredictable energy that was so prevelant in Heath Legers Joker. It made me really appreciate how great Smith is and how lucky Dr.Who is to have him. I'm not sure if the film is available on dvd or not, but well worth checking out if you can find it

  • July 23, 2011, 10:30 a.m. CST

    The Silents Look Like ...

    by veteran_of_mu

    Something about the silents has been bothering me since they first turned up. Something looked familiar about them. I'm not talking about the cyberman resemblance of their heads. I'm talking about their suits. Skinny blue suits with ties. Who's the last guy on Who you saw in a skinny blue suit with at tie? Yep, that's right, the 10th doctor.

  • July 23, 2011, 10:36 a.m. CST

    inadequate doctor

    by Martin Hogg

    At the time (back in the god AWFUL 1980's), i thought Colin Baker was pretty inadequate. He just didnt fit the role for me, he played the doctor as a bit too much of an arsehole for my liking. Mind saying that, i rewatched some of "Trial of a timelord" recently, and he did come across a bit more sympathetically than i remember. Are we counting the spoof with Rowan Atkinson and Hugh Grant? Because Hugh Grant was like....the least appropriate person to play the doctor, in my opinion. Even if it was just for laughs.

  • July 23, 2011, 11:02 a.m. CST

    Damn, Beth Willis really is a looker!

    by The Transformed Man

    I'm rewatching all the Confidentials now.

  • July 23, 2011, 12:23 p.m. CST

    People can ignore the gay stuff sam jacksons wig BUT..

    by LORDOFLIGHT

    What I said about Eccleston is true. He DID make a comment similar to what I said. Again, I can't remember the exact quote but I think he also said something like "I'm a tough Northern bloke" "what they wanted me to do would have affected my masculinity". I'm not saying he never has or never would play a gay part but maybe he never expected they'd want gay stuff in Dr Who.

  • July 23, 2011, 12:34 p.m. CST

    I must say

    by Seph_J

    that for the most part, I do groan at the constant unnecessary gayification of Doctor Who... but then I almost immediately remember that the very values of the show are tolerance, respect and equality and I actually feel quite glad the Doctor Who is pretty much leading the way in what it's doing. I like that. But on the Chris Eccleston topic, I can understand him, back in 2005, after accepting the role of Sci-fi icon The Doctor, being quite suprised when he is repeatedly asked to snog men on screen. Understandably, it probably wasn't what he expected. I mean do you really think Tom Baker would have taken the role (or stayed in it) if producers at the time had asked him to stick his tongue down Harry Sullivans throat on screen? Or Jon Pertwee throwing a cheeky wink to the brigadier?

  • July 23, 2011, 1:01 p.m. CST

    Gay and Dr Who's always been a disaster.

    by LORDOFLIGHT

    I know people will call me a homophobe and they can say what they want (I know I'm not)....but when you look back in the history of the show whenever gay and Dr Who's been mixed together......the results have been pretty bad. From J.N.T. to R.T.D......both of them were/are gay and the gay influence has made the show much more camp. From the bright, ridiculous clothing in the 80s to R.T.D.'s childlike, camp style of writing. It's been fuckin awful. Dr Who only used to be camp occasionally in the 60s and 70s because of the budgetary restrictions.

  • July 23, 2011, 1:07 p.m. CST

    My vote for inadequate doctor goes to...

    by C

    As I am from your future, I have seen more episode with more doctors and all of them were great. The only one that felt forced was Daniel Radcliffe as the 16th doctor. It was a little "Tounge in check" for my tastes.

  • July 23, 2011, 3 p.m. CST

    yeah, much as I loved the RTD series

    by in6087

    and I've been rewatching the key episodes of Seasons 1-4 + specials and they do pack a more emotional punch than of the Moffat's, (though Moffat's have the smarter stories), it's gay mafia all the way.

  • July 23, 2011, 3:26 p.m. CST

    lordoflight

    by Rebel Scumb

    Do you just keep a copy of that one post and keep reposting it? I swear you've got to be the most one-note talkbacker in all of aicn. Do you have any positive feelings about anything?

  • July 23, 2011, 3:56 p.m. CST

    The 16th Doctor - does make me wonder

    by I am_NOTREAL

    How they will write around the 13 regeneration limit (it is 13, isn't it?) that was put in way back when... I mean, this is SF, they can do whatever they want, just curious how it will be done...if the need arises.

  • July 23, 2011, 5:45 p.m. CST

    Don't exagerrate rebel scum

    by LORDOFLIGHT

    I post about all sorts of things on here...some positive, some negative. And seeing as Dr Who's probably my favourite ever show (well the 60s and 70s ones anyway) I'm obviously going to have opinions on it...especially when people like R.T.D. turn it (or used to turn it) to shit on a regular occasion. And it's not just him who's had a bad influence either.

  • July 23, 2011, 8:01 p.m. CST

    well it just seems like every post is

    by Rebel Scumb

    gay = camp, camp = bad, old who was only camp because of budget limitations. What are some that you did like?

  • July 23, 2011, 9:08 p.m. CST

    Hi.

    by MoffatBabies

    Carry on.

  • There were persistent rumours back in the day, during production of the first series of NuWho, and soon after, that RTD was originally pushing really hard to make The Doctor clearly 'omnisexual', something that Eccleston didn't agree with, nor did most of the writing staff and, most importantly, the BBC suits. RTD eventually let the issue go, only to transfer the whole 'omnisexual' thing onto the character of Captain Jack Harkness, who as originally written by Moffat had just been a traditional 'handsome swashbuckler' type character, until RTD had the character adjusted as he saw fit. Now like I said, that's just a rumour, and I don't know if there is actually any truth to it or not, but as far as rumours go, it always sounded like one of the more believable ones...particularly when you see how focussed on the Harkness character that RTD would become pretty much right out of the gate, and of course would continue to be in the years to come. If there is any truth to that then I'm glad it worked out the way it did, because an 'omnisexual' new character I can accept easily enough, after all, a new character has no rules or ingrained expectations and can therefore be anything, plus I gotta say I'm a big fan of old Captain Jack and have been since day one, but a suddenly 'omnisexual' Doctor, that just would have felt all wrong to me. And perhaps never more so when trying to win back old fans, and bring in new ones during the launch year of the rebooted series.

  • July 24, 2011, 6:24 a.m. CST

    This weeks Torchwood

    by dj_bollocks

    Anyone think either sex scene in TW this week was shoed in in ? Not a huge fan of Jane Espenson anyway, but the feel of the episode this week was very clunky... I wonder if there are any parallels with the first season of Doctor Who and this the first co-pro series of Torchwood.. Just throwing it out there.

  • ...which I believe are a week or 2 ahead. Cheers matey!!!

  • July 24, 2011, 7:18 a.m. CST

    lordoflight- man, just enjoy the stories!!!

    by sam jacksons wig

    From Rose up to A Good man Goes to War, there have been few slips on the road that have made nu-who truly entertaining television. Characters like jack Harkness have only added to the entertainment. So RTD and Barrowman like the sausage instead of the fish pie.... that hasn't made the series any less great!!!

  • July 24, 2011, 8:08 a.m. CST

    Torchwood episode 3 minor spoilers

    by Stegman84

    Yeah it was definitely a step down from last week, and a lot of it, dialogue especially, did feel rather clunky to me as well. The drawn out 'in england we call it this/well in the US we call it this' schtick was especially bad, and way, way, way too drawn out, not to mention being both derivative, and making the characters seem like idiots if they couldn't understand the gist of what each other was talking about. Unfortunately, I think Espensen has written about half the scripts for the season, so I hope the rest are better, tighter, and less clunky than this one turned out to be. On the up side, the scene between Barrowman and Pullman was pretty great.

  • ....and confirm (rather awkwardly) that part 2 arrives late August, Early September. They also mention that a new monster appears in Let's Kill Hitler, and the appearance of the Hand Bots, who Amy Pond fights with a(nother) sword. They also confirm the beast in episode 10 as a Minotaur, and state episode 13 is full of twists. In between all of this they talk of the differences between US and UK fans (UK fans are more reserved, where US fans scream alot..), and the annoyingly nasal woman talks in an annoyingly nasal voice. The male interviewer is just a dick. Both Gillan (who's cheeks look a bit chubby here thanks to an unflattering haircut) and Smith look somewhat overwhelmed and uncomfortable for some parts of the 4 and a half minutes they are alotted.

  • July 24, 2011, 1:06 p.m. CST

    stegman I agree

    by Rebel Scumb

    While an intergalactic character could logically be omnisexual (especially if timelord regenerations potentially can change gender which maybe they can and maybe they can't) But you're right, if anything the doctor is established as an almost entirely Asexual character (with a few exceptions). He seems rather indifferent towards romance and sex most of the time (but again not always). If doctor who was a new show when RTD started it, then the omni thing could have worked. But whatever the behind the scenes stuff that happened (or didn't) it worked better to have it be Jack.

  • July 24, 2011, 1:07 p.m. CST

    torchwood miracle day

    by Rebel Scumb

    I decided to get caught up on it last night I will congratulate it so far as being the only Torchwood I've ever seen that didn't depress me. It's pretty enjoyable so far. Hopefully a good final 2 episodes also. Of course I liked Children of Earth up until half way through part 4, so we'll see.

  • July 24, 2011, 1:10 p.m. CST

    exactly sam

    by Rebel Scumb

    If anything it just gives something Whovians can hold over Trek fans and other scifi shows that gave up on being inovative and with the times. And no matter how much people like to bash RTD, all I can think is that almost anyone else bringing Who back would have completely destroyed it. Probably would have been a full on reboot. None of the old character designs would carry over. The doctor would probably be some hunky womanizing guy with five o'clock shadow and a gun, Tardis would probably look like an apple store on the inside, and a cellphone on the outside.

  • July 24, 2011, 1:12 p.m. CST

    sam re: episode 10 monster

    by Rebel Scumb

    I was wondering when that minotaur in the hotel hallway from the series 6 trailer was going to show up!!!

  • July 24, 2011, 1:31 p.m. CST

    rebel- re: episode 10 (minor spoiler)

    by sam jacksons wig

    ..apparently it takes place inside an apartment complex (or block of flats if you're British like me!!) that is somewhat of a labyrinth. It also stars David Walliams (that perma-gurngrin bastard from little britain who thinks he's funny when he's anything but.) as a mole-like alien.

  • July 24, 2011, 1:35 p.m. CST

    Rebel- no disrespect to our US friends, but.....

    by sam jacksons wig

    ...imagine WHO re-imagined for an american audience? It makes my blood curdle just to think of it. Maybe the Doc could go through long periods of anxt and stare moodily at the floor or ceiling. Or it could have a laugh track. Or use the phrase "So what you're telling me is...." 460 times per episode. (Xfiles? Supernatural?) Or it could have a chase scene every episode..... oh, wait...... ;))

  • ..being cyclopean. Just a rumour so take it for what it's worth.

  • July 24, 2011, 3:38 p.m. CST

    NEW TRAILER ladies and gentlemen!! WOOOO!!!!

    by Seph_J

    http://www.bbc.co.uk/doctorwho/dw/videos/p00jb05r

  • July 24, 2011, 3:50 p.m. CST

    I have to say.... *trailer spoilers!*

    by Seph_J

    .... that trailer does look frikkin awesome. More angles? Silents? And something of a "one-eyed" theme going on throughout... I. Am. Excited.

  • July 24, 2011, 5:29 p.m. CST

    Hey, seph_j

    by Bad Wolff

    Where are all of these men that Chris Eccleston was asked to snog on screen in season 1? Where are they after his departure in the rest of the series? In the entire run of the new show, the Doctor has snogged one man only, Captain Jack Harkness, and that scene was filmed AFTER Eccleston had decided to leave. I know you weren't trying to be homophobic, but you have managed to compound this nonsense issue in your own mind.

  • From the Who fan that doesn't get it, I truly thank you for the link!!!!!! And, thank god Amy and Rory will be back!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Back in 4 or 5 weeks?

  • While I would never deny anyone a job, (Paul McGann, other regulars on the show and, of course, everyone working behind the camera.) even with Steven Spielberg as one of the producers, FOX would have ruined the show and canceled it after 13 weeks. (Speaking of Paul McGann, I still wish he would come back in some way, as a companion maybe, why can't there be 2 Doctors on the TARDIS?

  • July 25, 2011, 1:11 a.m. CST

    No disrespect taken sam jackson.

    by DoctorWho?

    I'm American and I completely agree. I recall watching a late night PBS Doctor Who episode in the early 80's. They were having a pledge drive. The PBS hosts asked viewers to vote: Who would you cast as the Doctor in a major DW motion picture?<p> There were some interesting choices like Jeremy Irons and David Bowie. However, MANY people called in casting Bruce Willis, Tom Selleck Jean Claude Van Damme and yes... Sly Stallone. I shit you not. <p> I was like "Who the hell are these callers?!" Well, they were Americans... that's who they were. And I don't use that name as a pejorative. But how the hell can one overlook the fact that ONE of the MANY reasons DOCTOR WHO is so great is because it IS BRITISH! The Doctor has to be portrayed by an actor born and bred in the U.K. <p> Is that weird for me to think that?

  • July 25, 2011, 6:17 a.m. CST

    August 27th IT IS BACK!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Confirmed in hall H in comic con!!!!!

    by sam jacksons wig

    Let the fucking excitement begin now!!!! And the trailer is epic!!! EPIC!!! EPIC!!!!!!!!! More later when I have calmed down!!

  • July 25, 2011, 6:39 a.m. CST

    Questions........

    by sam jacksons wig

    What is River Song doing with Madame Korvarians eyepatch????? OOOOH!!!!!!! Please let it be for the worst and not the better!!! 0.32 seconds- what is the troll like thing playing chess, and as it is wearing armour, does it tie in with an earlier/later shot of Amy Pond in armour, swinging a sword at the handbots? First glimpse of the handbots in the shape of a metal ball..... what is their purpose? 0.45 the Doc looking at his own obituary on the TARDIS viewscreen, with a Korvarian voice-over talking about An Impossible Astronaut.... so, that's now out there, what IS impossible about it? It just looks stunning.

  • ...and WHO would be the straw that breaks the camels back. American TV companies don't really give their products time to breathe- no instant positive ratings? Then adieu. I remember an opening skit in Family Guy a few years back where Peter Griffin listed shows that Fox had cancelled in a year...I believe that there was about 40 of the bloody things. While amusing, I found it terrifying that we live in such a disposable society where our attention span is up for grabs to the highest bidder. In this climate, WHO would have been cast with one of the pretty faced, vacuous young beautiful people of the moment (Imagine, for a moment that the Doc was Justin Bieber, and one of the foibles of the show was that he got to sing a song at the end of each episode!!), and wouldn't have survived past a first regeneration. We only have to look at the damage to WHO when we look back to 1996, and the flimsy attempt to crack the States in the form of Paul McGann. Nothing more for 9 years!!!! That's what happens when you change one style in favour of another just to please a mass audience. And as for he choices of Willis, Stallone and the rest? I would have shot myself, my wife and my children before I give them one second of my time in that role. Things don't need to be Americanised to work in America- check out this years Comic Con..... Hall H was fucking full to capacity with screaming Doctor Who fans, proof indeed that all it took was a good writer, producer and set of stars who give a damn (rather than some airhead 20 something from LA hired because they have the perfect teeth...).

  • July 25, 2011, 6:56 a.m. CST

    axcel1 - re: paul McGann...be careful what you wish for. :))

    by sam jacksons wig

    And I wouldn't trust a dead fucking dog to the BOX network......

  • July 25, 2011, 7:07 a.m. CST

    sam j

    by Seph_J

    you'd.... you'd... shoot your wife and kids?

  • July 25, 2011, 7:47 a.m. CST

    seph- not literally, mate!

    by sam jacksons wig

    But watching either one of those fucking goombahs in the role of the Doc would be like putting a bullet through your head!!!

  • July 25, 2011, 7:54 a.m. CST

    Trailer theorectical spoilers....

    by sam jacksons wig

    ...so in the trailer we see Hitler thanking the gang for saving his life. Maybe this was the point in history when Hitler was supposed to die, and as a result of saving him, time turns inside out, upside down and backside forth. the title of the episode Let's Kill Hitler is what they HAVE to do as a result of saving him in the first place. Also, we see Iam McNiece looking down at someone ready to fire a gun. What if HE kills Hitler (as I have previously theorised) and as a result we get the "Holy Roman Emperor" malarkey promised us from episode 13? And what part will the weeping angels play this time? And do we want them back so soon?

  • July 25, 2011, 7 p.m. CST

    sam jackson's wig re: Weeping Angels...

    by Greg McCambley

    Well, IIRC, the Angels feed by sending people back in time to well before they were born, and then using the resulting chronal energy left over as food. Now, theoretically speaking, if a whole species were sent back in time, or displaced somehow, that would, I think, be irresistable to the Angels. Another possibility is River Song. Remember, she's living her life backwards. There's no telling what kind of effect that may have on the Angels.

  • July 25, 2011, 8:24 p.m. CST

    Tegan shows her pussy in Frontios!

    by Rebel Scumb

    Not intentionally of course

  • July 25, 2011, 8:25 p.m. CST

    cont'd

    by Rebel Scumb

    stupid talkback posting before I was done typing! Anyways, for any Tegan fans out there, at the 45min06sec mark on 'play all' during the 2nd episode right before she says 'looks like the looting has already started' she turns and you can see right up her mini skirt!

  • July 25, 2011, 8:27 p.m. CST

    by the way, the new trailer is awesome

    by Rebel Scumb

    and full of minotaurian goodness!

  • July 28, 2011, 2:58 a.m. CST

    I'll have to keep an eye out for that in Frontios

    by Stegman84

    Purely in the name of science, of course. I already own the disc, in fact I have every classic release so far, as well as all the NuWho box sets, and yep, even the Torchwood sets and the two animated David Tennant Who's, but I haven't gotten around to watching that one, or any for my last batch purchased, quite yet. Soon though, soon.

  • July 28, 2011, 3:24 p.m. CST

    Tegan in Frontios...

    by Greg McCambley

    I remember noticing that the first time I watched it. It was bound to happen, what with her wearing a skirt and heels so often. Janet really didn't have an option of where to position herself, of course, but we are all grateful. BTW, I can't recall which DVD it's on, but there was an easter egg when Janet discusses a practical joke Peter played on her. It involved her raising her arms while wearing a tube top, and her Jovankas popped out. We never get to see it of course, but just the idea is hilarious. However, anyone looking for other panty flashes really have to look no further than any 3rd Doctor ep with Jo Grant in a miniskirt. I also believe you can get a great look up Wendy Padbury's skirt in "The Invasion". She changes into 60s clothes, and there is a great shot of her climbing a ladder wearing a skirt and tights. And no, I don't have a loop of these scenes running anywhere... :-)

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