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The Friday Docback Examines 'The Three Doctors'!! DOCTOR WHO Story #65, A New DVD Giveaway, And More!!
Enjoy the DVDs, Doug. Great stuff all around.
"THE TOMB OF THE CYBERMEN"
For centuries, the disappearance of the Cybermen from the universe has been a mystery. The Doctor, Jamie and Victoria arrive on Telos - once the Cyber home world - just as an Earth expedition uncovers the entrance to a long-lost control centre filled with baffling technology. With the Doctor's help, the archaeological party discovers the last of the Cybermen, frozen and entombed in a vast underground cavern. But by entering the tombs, the humans have sprung a fiendish trap. All around them, the Cybermen begin to rise from the dead.
"THE ROBOTS OF DEATH"
The TARDIS, carrying the Doctor and his new companion Leela, arrives aboard a huge sandminer on a deserted world. The small human crew relies almost entirely on robots to carry out their every task and whim while they mine the planet's rich minerals. Suddenly, one by one, members of the team start to disappear. The time travelers discover that someone or something is murdering the crew - but, of course, nobody believes it could be the robots.
"THE FACE OF EVIL"
When the TARDIS arrives on a jungle planet, the Doctor encounters two warring tribes, the Sevateem and the Tesh. The Sevateem worship a god called Xoanon and the Tesh are supposedly keeping Xoanon prisoner... But why do the Sevateem call the Doctor the Evil One? And what are the invisible creatures in the jungle? The Time Lord, with the help of a girl called Leela, is about to find out.
"THE THREE DOCTORS"
The Time Lords are in crisis. A powerful force is draining their energy into a mysterious Black Hole - and they must recruit the Doctor to save them. But one Doctor isn't enough for this mission. All three of the Doctor's incarnations, aided by Jo Grant and UNIT, must face the wrath of Omega - a fallen Time Lord trapped in a universe of anti-matter, with one thing on his mind: revenge.
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"Frontios" (Story #132)
"The Caves of Androzani" (Story #136)
"Time and the Rani" (Story #144)
"Paradise Towers" (Story #145) + New WHOvian Documentary / Newsbits
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Merrick's Personal Journey With The Doctor (How Merrick Got Hooked On DOCTOR WHO)
DOCTOR WHO Title Sequences & DW At Comic-Con 2011
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Why Eccleston Left, Here Comes Caroline Skinner, And Season/Series Six Part 1 on Blu-Ray And DVD
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March 16, 2012, 11:47 a.m. CST
Great episode all around, for the chemsitry if nothing else
by glenn_the_frog
One of the dozen or so classic eps currently available on Netflix, as well. I wonder how Netflix prioritizes these things? Apparently no one got along well with Perwee. Tom Baker didn't like him much either, is my understanding?
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oh hey, first. Neat.
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...she was 90s, rather than 80s. Would still like to get our paws on her red snapper.
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She did plenty of work in the 80s as well. The image reminded me of an 80s haircut, hence my skewing towards those years.
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Big event episodes like anniversaries can never really hope to meet the wild expectations that build up amongst fans. It's not like writers, cast and crew have their imaginations set to half-speed normally with the ability to crank up a gear on demand - setting aside our fantasies, there's really no rational reason to expect a milestone episode to magically turn out to be the best written or best produced. So I feel that any long-running show needs a nice fun structural conceit like a crossover that can be pulled out for major anniversaries, something that is automatically an event in-and-of itself.
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the show was what it said on the side of the tin - Three Doctors in the story. It's a shame that Omega didn't pop up more often (just the one Davi(d)son story officially, plus a wonderful appearance in the Big Finish audio appropriately entitled Omega). After The Deadly Assassin (which I do enjoy) is was Rassilon, Rassilon, Rassilon for everything. The Rod of Rassilon, the Key of Rassilon, the Sash of Rassilon, the Codpiece of Rassilon, the Nosehair Trimmers of Rassilon, etc. etc. At least in Remembrance of the Daleks Omega got namechecked again - it was nice to see Omega have at least one artifact named after him. Oh, and this is the episode where we find out that Omega is a naked singularity now...I'm sure this is a ripe topic for futher jokes.
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Any chance of a podcast getting posted this weekend or the beginning of next week?
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Maybe for the fifty year party?
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Yes, I should think so. Gave myself something of a working vacation this past week to match up with my kids being out of school for Spring Break. First deliberate breather in...something like...six years I think. It was much needed and lovely. Getting back into gear over the weekend. Whotinnnies on the short list! Be prepared! Be warned!
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Have you ever thought of roping your kids in to participate in part of a Whotininnies podcast?
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? Congrats, Doug B!
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Glen's kids are far too smart to get caught up in our mess.
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March 16, 2012, 2:32 p.m. CST
I've never seen this episode but this review has made me want to watch it
by IAmTommyWiseau
Always find these weekly Who reviews interesting. Keep them up!
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A Dandy and a Clown
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Since Omega appeared in the 10th anniversary story and in the 20th anniversary season, it would make sense for him to appear again in the 50th anniversary as well, now wouldn't it? Great idea!
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I like the Doctors themselves, I love the character of Omega, but something about it falls flat. It is a much better story than the Five Doctors, and yet I feel the Five Doctors is much more fun and festive. I don't know what it is. So, yes, the good: the 2nd and 3rd Doctor together. But why oh why does it just feel off otherwise?
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The Richard E Grant ones? I've only ever seen s03 episodes. I notice the Master is the Doctor's companion, and I can never find any story leading up to that happening. I find it fascinating. Would love to know that back story.
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March 16, 2012, 3:29 p.m. CST
I@ gotlik - Interestingly enough, Derek Jacobi was also The Master in 'Scream of the Shalka'
by obijuanmartinez
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March 16, 2012, 3:36 p.m. CST
Stephen Thorne's voice is great! Loved him as Azal in 'The Daemons' and as the male incarnation of Eldrad in 'Hand of Fear'...
by obijuanmartinez
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March 16, 2012, 3:39 p.m. CST
@hornorsilk - Agree with your point about the 3 vs. 5 Doctors comparison! And...
by obijuanmartinez
...love the ongoing itchy dynamic twixt Pertwee & Troughton Docs that was probably the best thing about 'The Three Doctors' Second Doctor: "Goodbye... fancypants!" Third Doctor: "Scarecrow!"
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March 16, 2012, 3:59 p.m. CST
Omega is too interesting a character to not use again ...
by GINGE_MUPPET
Deffo' worth a return ...
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it's a shame they couldn't get Eccleston back to do the Doctor again, it would be interesting to get (even if just a charity bit) where we Eccleston, Richard E Grant and Rowan Atkinson all playing the Ninth Doctor. They score bonus points if they also have Nicholas Briggs appearing as the Eighth Doctor, and even more if they have to face a team up between the Valeyard and the Dream Lord.
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March 16, 2012, 4:52 p.m. CST
Enough trivia about craggy old doctors. Let's have a HAT!
by veteran_of_mu
I checked out some transcripts of DW to try to find out where the whispering started, and how often it's happened. Still working on that. But of course things do leap out at you. And a couple of them from The Time Of Angels I found pretty interesting. TTOA: In the museum of delerium, the last resting place of the Headless Monks (I think that's the first mention of them) River leaves a message to the Doc in Old High Gallifreyan. The same language as on the crib. Now ... where did River learn Old High Gallifreyan? ~I had lessons from the best. It's a shame you were busy that day.~ The best - Sexy? Or GangerDoc? Or ... the Master? Later the Doc says: ~You lot, you're everywhere, you're like rabbits. I'll never get done saving you.~ Echo of TIA! And then ... the 2 headed creatures who lived there, the Applans ... from Applappuchia? Coincidence? How many times do we visit this place? River talks about the ascent of the soul through 6 levels ... are we going in circles? So to the HAT: the soul ascends from Hades. This, all of this, everything we've seen since Dr 11 first put in an appearance, is him trying to rescue River from CAL. Locating every last bit of memory distributed in there from one end to another, collecting them together into one spot - stormcage - so that they can be coherently extracted into a living (Ganger) body. It would explain a lot. Especially the business with the Romans being the Romans from Amelia's schoolbook. Any is Cal.
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This was one of the first of the older Doctor Whos I watched (at least all the way through), what with it being on Netflix and all. I hated it then. Wonder what I would think of it if I rewatched it now.
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Was a favorite when I was young, but rewatching it was mixed. The "fight" between the third doc and Omega took a ton of steam out of the story for me, but the chemistry/hostility between two and three was great. Too bad we couldn't see them both interact with the new batch of Doctors.
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And he certainly could have survived the Time War....
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March 17, 2012, 6:12 a.m. CST
This week Netflix UK & Ireland uploaded 78 classic Who episodes dating from 1963 to 1968
by Nerfee
In total, 18 collections of William Hartnell stuff.
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A few are untitled.
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March 17, 2012, 7:41 a.m. CST
@caractuspotts: Perhaps one (or more) 'craggy old Doctors' tales might lend send insight as to where River learned Old High Gallifreyan - the most obvious being...
by obijuanmartinez
'Power of the Daleks' (Patrick Troughton): Where the Doc originally reveals he writes in OHG inside his 500-year Diary, or... 'The Five Doctors' 1983: Again - the Troughton Doc deciphers the rhyme that tells of the 3 ways to enter Rassilon's Tomb; it also crops up on Rassilon's Crypt - appears the Master cannot read it, as he 'pounces' once the Doctor(s) reveal it reads 'To win is to lose, and he who wins shall lose...' (or some such); he then indicates he is going to claim his reward
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It always niggled with me that they were treating the youngest Doctor (in story terms) as if he was the oldest and wisest. In theory the eldest and wisest should have been Pertwee's Doctor so, whilst Hartnells Doctor might have been the most serious and potentially bossy of the 3 there is no way he would know anything that 2 and 3 didn't.
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March 17, 2012, 7:57 a.m. CST
the 3 doctors was one of my first classic era Dr Who story
by Rebel Scumb
Not as a kid, I mean a few years ago when I gave classic Dr. Who a try. I've always really liked it.
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or the youngest incarnation (since Hurndall played him in the Five Doctors) was the one with the best clearest memories of Gallifrey, and presumably his studies in the Academy.
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Maybe -- I think perhaps the mythology for the show wasn't fully developed --Hartnell referred to the others as his replacements in the 3 Doctors rather than as his regenerations.
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While they were not called regenerations, they were shown to be the same person in different form. So replacement is the same as saying incarnation. Second, I think it is quite clear the process of regeneration scrambles the Doctor's head (see Power of the Daleks). So he knows some things, remembers things, but not perfectly. And this continues in the process of his identity being established (Face of Evil). I would also think meeting his own old causes distortions in the time line so that in each instance, it is the first time in the same event, as a temporal paradox!
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March 17, 2012, 12:25 p.m. CST
Gratuitous Nudity: Katy Manning (AKA Jo Grant) posing nude w/ a Dalek...
by obijuanmartinez
http://www.google.com/search?q=katy+manning+nude+dalek&hl=en&client=safari&tbo=d&tbm=isch&source=lnms&ei=EshkT4zzIMLUgAfO4Jm9Ag&sa=X&oi=mode_link&ct=mode&cd=2&ved=0CC4Q_AUoAQ&biw=768&bih=928
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The quote of River learning from the very best was about her learning to pilot the TARDIS, not learning High Gallifreyan, although it looks like the answer to both is the same (Sexy taught her). It's Appalappuchia, not Applappauchia, and in The Girl Who Waited, the Doctor referred to the race as Appalappachians, not Applans. Also, there's the point where the Doctor gets the fuzzy view of the Appalappachians in the facility in the other time streams. Although blurry, each person has only one head. So, there's a difference between the two, and the planet in The Time of Angels isn't the same one as in The Girl Who Waited. So, the background you're building the HAT on isn't quite as sound as you thought. Besides, Amy's not Cal - she's the niece of the Rani (who fixed Amy up with her friend the Master, er, Rory... ;) )
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March 17, 2012, 1:11 p.m. CST
2 leggedfreak - valid points, but there might be explanations
by DoctorTom
hornorsilk has a good point that some memories might be scrambled during regeneration. It's also possible that some are deliberately suppressed. Until Sylvester McCoy, we don't hear about the Doctor having hauled the Hand of Omega off of Gallifrey. I can see Hartnell not mentioning it to Ian and Barbara, since it's none of their business. When the Troughton Doctor's put on trial, though, there's no mention of scarpering off with a Stellar Manipulator, and the Time Lords don't bring it up. He only gives the reason for leaving as that he was bored. It's quite possible that when Hartnell regenerated into Troughton he had deliberately suppressed those memories so that he himself wouldn't remember, and that the Hand of Omega would be safe. You would certainly think that when Colin Baker landed at Totter's Lane in Attack of the Cybermen, he might have gone to check on the Hand of Omega to make sure the Cybermen weren't trying to grab that if he remembered it. Likewise, there were no comments from Troughton to Colin Baker about working on the prototype like Sylvester McCoy did in Remembrance of the Daleks. It's like the memories weren't there for the invtervening incarnations and had surfaced again with McCoy. Interestingly, the memories are back after he regenerates after having met the Valeyard - a future self of his. Did the Valeyard do something to the Doctor while in the Matrix to rekindle the old memories the next time he regenerated? We've seen the telepathic contact between the incarnations of the Doctor in the specials - it might be that the second and third Doctors realized that the first Doctor is remembering a lot more about Gallifreyan things than the other two are, and are deferring to him because of those memories.
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Aside from the personality shifts, liking different foods and clothes... they can vary in proficiencies in different sciences. One of the later doctors (6 or 7, I forget which) was being forced to try and build a device and he noted *Nope, sorry, this incarnation doesn't have that skill set.* Not to mention, whenever there are doctor reunion specials, they never seem to remember they've been through this before, several times in some cases. I think its fiar to say that regeneaion hits the memory just a little bit too. *Especially* the more unstable regenerations.
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I loved the Three Doctors, it was a fun chapter to my favorite Doctor's era! However, I feel The Five Doctors is a better story, though both greatly outshine the sadly inferior Two Doctors from the CB era.
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So good to see you here again. Hope you've been well. I haven't been on YouTube as much lately, but I'll be sure to stop in later and see what you've been up to.
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The even-numbered HATs are never any good. They're written by hacks and bring down the quality of the franchise.
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See, I really like it; yes, it has its problems, but I thought it is a better story than the Five Doctors, and strangely, more fun than the Three.
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...I'll say that it reads a wee bit better than it screens! (And who better to write a Sontaran story than Robert Holmes, their creator) Having said that, it is a nice showing for the enduring (endearing) teaming of Patrick Troughton's Doc & Frazer Hines as Jamie McCrimmon, who are one of the best Doctor/Companion teams I've seen. Also a 'Blake's 7' fan, so - nice to see Jacqueline Pearce turn out as Chessene...
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March 17, 2012, 9:09 p.m. CST
Argh! One of these days, I'll get my viewing schedule synched with Merrick's episode of the week - In truth, I haven't seen 'The Three Doctors' for probably a decade or so...
by obijuanmartinez
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I thought it was amazing how well the actors stepped back into their roles pretending they hadn't actually aged, but you didn't actually get a lot of interaction between the Doctors and after the wonderfully written and acted setup at the beginning, the story just seemed to keep getting slower and slower as the episdoes went on. But it also suffered from sort of the anti-anniversary problem - it didn't feel like there really was a good reason to invoke the crossover gimmick, especially only a year or two after the Five Doctors. The first 5-10 minutes did have me sold on the idea nevertheless, but in the end, it just built my expectations up too far. Perhaps my problem was simply that I just wasn't really into the oriiginal Sontarans. They were a good villain-race in theory, but it's not really until the revival that they acquired a personality/attitude that I found compelling.
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March 18, 2012, 2:28 a.m. CST
Wow!!!! The scroll button on my poor mouse has gone into overdrive....
by sam jacksons wig
..... sifting through all of the info to get to the readers comments!!!! :)) You lucky North Americans, you! A chance to win shiny Who discs for a second time???? And a chance to see the Three Docs on the big screen at the Alamo??? We poor Brits need more things like this where we live, and not just Cineworld cinema chain ripping us off with advance ticket booking fees!!! But ah!!!! The three Docs, and the return of an insane Omega!! For the last couple of years we have all (well, most of us) been screaming for the return of the "funny symbolled one" as a main nemesis for the Doc. The last time we saw him (correct me if I'm wrong) was the Arc of Infinity back in the early 80's, during Peter Davi(d)sons (bwwwhahahahahaha!!!) reign. Itt was a deep shame that Hartnell could only be present for pre-recorded "expositional" lines, but the gruff old bugger still managed to put whipper-snappers Pertwee and Troughton (here on top form I thought) in their place. His deatth a couple of years later ended something that paved the way for all we have experienced. Who would have thought that almost 50 years later, the timelord would still be going strong? And after the rumour mill fires back up, will we get to see all living Doctors returning for the 50th?? Just think how fucking coooooooool it would be having both Bakers back, and a soliloqy a la Pandorica Opens vented through McCoy!!!! Seat..... firmly..... booked. SJW.
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cineworld just dropped all their booking fees and give a 10% discount now if you book online. so we got something.. Also, those 18 classic who stories on netflix are nothing to be sneezed at.
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March 18, 2012, 5:01 a.m. CST
That clip of Hartnell is hilarious
by CHRISTIAN_BALE_TRASHED_MY_LIGHTS
Miss Piggy!
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I regenerated recently and my brain is still a bit scrambled. Please forgive me.
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Welcome (Doc) back man, missed you here.
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... yeah, I know mate! Now if only others would follow suit and give the poor consumer a fucking break! Not a user of netflix so have not seen what's on offer. I was lucky enough to be provided with virtually every WHO episode a while back from a friend who had "aquired" them, but have always wondered what some of the bigger stories would look like on a cinema screen.
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...cheers! Been a while. Still lurk about through most of the threads and throw my tuppence in once in a while when the mood takes me! Unfortunately not as active as I was due to well, life, but still here!! We've got series 7 now filming, the exit of the Ponds (as I believe we all saw coming) and the arrival of a new companion. 14 separate stories as opposed to an arc, and then next year the big 5-0!!!! What a great time to be a WHO fan!
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it's very entertaining fan wankery and when you consider how little we knew about the Time Lords etc it's a very important episode continuity wise. I'm actually watching a lot of late Pertwee stuff that I've never watched before - quite enjoying it ! Favourite opening titles ? First would be Pertwee time tunnel, second would be Tom Baker's final season...
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It's nice to see you posting again. Yes, Omega appeared in the 10th anniversary and during the 20th year, but he also got a name check during the 25th anniversary (The Hand of Omega in Remembrance of the Daleks). Given that he seems to only show up in anniversary years, it would entirely appropriate for him to show up in the 50th anniversary. Being in an antimatter universe, they already have the built in excuse for why he wasn't killed with the rest of the Time Lords. And, if you go with the fan viewpoint of the 90's trying to reconcile all the Rassilon/Omega stuff where the theory is that Rassilon deliberately let Omega fall down into the black hole, it would make sense for him not to bother to try to bring Omega back out of it, even for a Time War.
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March 18, 2012, 11:40 a.m. CST
Then again, let's float a WHAT out there, since this isn't even half baked
by DoctorTom
Perhaps Omega is a future regeneration of the Doctor, who had to travel into Gallifrey's past in order to make sure Gallifreyan history took the right course. It would definitely explain why the Doctor's biodata was used to try to bring him back in The Ark of Infinity, and why Sylvester McCoy didn't seem to have any problems controlling the Hand of Omega.
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March 18, 2012, 1:28 p.m. CST
US Street Date for Sherlock Season 2 DVDs, and PBS showings
by DoctorTom
Sherlock Season 2 will show on PBS starting May 6 as part of Masterpiece Mystery. DVD and Blu Rays will be released on May 22.
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Save me, Doctor!
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March 18, 2012, 6:56 p.m. CST
Damn AICN bug! Trying again. The Doctor IS Omega AND ...
by veteran_of_mu
Doctom, I think you got some of it, but not all of it. I mean, when I look out into your posts out there, when I look out into all the Docbacks, you know what I see? I see a little bit of the Doctor in each and every one of us here. Lemme tell ya ... Weeeeeeeeeellllllll... The Doctor is everything The Doctor is everywhere The Doctor is everybody The Doctor is Omega Man o man What I want you to see Is that the big D's Inside of you and me The Doctor is everywhere, man! He's in everything. He's in everybody ... The Doctor is in your eyes! He's in your iPhoto! He's in Toblerones! The Doctor is in your mom! He's in everybody, In the young, the old, the fat, the skinny, the white, the black the brown and the blue - Dorium got the Doctor in him too. The Doctor is everybody here. Everybody's got The Doctor in them! Everybody except one person that is... Yeah, one person! The evil opposite of the Doctor. The Anti-Doctor. Anti-Doctor got no The Doctor in him, Lemme tell ya. Adric got no Doctor in him. 'Course the Doctor is in River Song but he's trying to get out, man! He's trying to get out! Listen up River Baby! The Doctor is everything The Doctor is everywhere The Doctor is everybody The Doctor is Omega Man o man What I want you to see Is that the big D's Inside of you and me Man, there's a lot of unexplained phenomenon out there in the world. Lot of things people say What the heck's going on? Let me tell ya! Who built the pyramids? THE DOCTOR! Who built Stonehenge? THE DOCTOR! Yeah, man you see guys walking down the street pushing shopping carts and you think they're talking to Jesus, Or they're talking to themselves. Man, no they're talking to DOCTOR! DOCTOR! DOCTOR! You know whats going on in that Time War? Down in the Time War ... The Doctor hates Daleks. The Doctor hates Daleks. The Doctor Doctor Doctor Doctor Doctor Doctor Doctor Doctor hates Daleks. Aah the Oncoming Storm! Valeyard Doctor! Lord President Doctor it is. Yeah man, you know people from outer space, people from outer space they come up to me. They don't look like like Silents. They don't look like Angels, all that Judoon jive. They look like the Doctor. DOCTOR! Everybody in outer space looks like the Doctor. Cause the Doctor is the perfect being. We are all moving in perfect peace and harmony towards Doctorness Soon all will become the Doctor. Everything everywhere will be the Doctor. Why do you think they call it evolution anyway? It's really Timelordlution! Timelordlution! The Doctor is everything The Doctor is everywhere The Doctor is everybody The Doctor is Omega Man o man What I want you to see Is that the big D's Inside of you and me That's right ladies and gentlemen, The time has come! Time has come to talk To that little bit of the Doctor inside of you. Talk to it! Call it up! Say ~Doctor, heal me! Save me, Doctor! Make me be born again in the perfect Sonic light~ That's right! You've got that Doctor inside of ya and he's talkin to ya He says he wants you to trust him! Even though he lies - trust you must! And run like the Doc Get your legs going now Get your lips too. Not no fool Amy Pond lips either Everybody! Yeah, we're runnin' now! The Doctor is within us. He's with us and he's speaking to us. He says ~Peoples!~ ~Peoples!~ ~Everybody!~ ~Everybody got to trust!~ The Doctor is everything The Doctor is everywhere The Doctor is everybody The Doctor is Omega Man o man What I want you to see Is that the big D's Inside of you and me The Doctor is everything The Doctor is everywhere The Doctor is everybody The Doctor is Omega Man o man What I want you to see Is that the big D's Inside of you and me The Doctor!
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I also like the final season Pertwee time tunnel. Can't say I'm a fan of the re-tooled 81-89 theme music though; the cheesy 80 synth sound makes me wince & cringe!
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That might be the first blending of Doctor Who and Mojo Nixon that I've seen. Well done, sir, I salute you! Maybe we can get that recorded and used during a Whotininnies podcast? Or someone sing it and post it on Youtube?
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March 18, 2012, 9:22 p.m. CST
If anyone's bored tonight, I'm having a troll-off over on Wired that started as a debate on why 'Star Wars' isn't science-fiction (it's fantasy), and has devolved into a lecture on Japanese cinema...here's the link:
by obijuanmartinez
http://www.wired.com/underwire/2012/03/clone-wars-darth-maul/#comment-468608124
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Who banged the Big Bang? THE DOCTOR! Who banged Gallifrey? THE DOCTOR! And ... yeah, I want to hear it sung. Could be Mojo Nixon's big comeback!
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...ah Itt's nice to pop back and speak to all of you reprobates!!!! :)) Hope you are all amazingly well and life is treating you kindly!
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March 19, 2012, 7:59 a.m. CST
Can't stop tinkering - 2nd draft, now with Chumblies.
by veteran_of_mu
When I look out into your posts out there, when I look out into all the Docbacks, you know what I see? I see a little bit of the Doctor in each and every one of you there. Lemme tell ya ... Weeeeeeeeeellllllll... The Doctor is everything The Doctor is everywhere The Doctor is everybody The Doctor is Omega Man o man What I want you to see Is that the big D's Inside of you and me The Doctor is everywhere, man! He's in everything. He's in everybody ... The Doctor is in your eyes! He's in your iTunes! He's in Toblerones! The Doctor is in your mom! He's in everybody, In the young, the old, the fat, the skinny, the white, the black the brown and the blue - Dorium got the Doctor in him too. The Doctor is everybody here. Everybody's got The Doctor in them! Everybody except one person that is... Yeah, one person! The evil opposite of the Doctor. The Anti-Doctor. Anti-Doctor got no Doctor in him, Lemme tell ya. Adric got no Doctor in him. OH! 'Course the Doctor is in River Song But he's trying to get out, man! He's trying to get out! Listen up River Baby! The Doctor is everything The Doctor is everywhere The Doctor is everybody The Doctor is Omega Man o man What I want you to see Is that the big D's Inside of you and me Man, there's a lot of unexplained phenomenon out there in the world. Lot of things people say What the heck's going on? Let me tell ya! Who blew the Big Bang? THE DOCTOR! Who killed the Time Lords? THE DOCTOR! Yeah, man you see guys walking down the street pushing shopping carts and you think they're talking to Silents, Or they're talking to their gangers. Man, no they're talking to DOCTOR! DOCTOR! DOCTOR! You know whats going on in that Time War? Down in the Time War ... The Doctor hates Daleks. The Doctor hates Daleks. The Doctor Doctor Doctor Doctor Doctor Doctor Doctor Doctor hates Daleks. [The 8th Doctor being the one who time-locked the Daleks in the time war ...] Aah the Oncoming Storm! Valeyard Doctor! Lord President Doctor it is. Yeah man, you know people from outer space, people from outer space they come up to me. They don't look like like Judoon. They don't look like Angels, all that Chumblie jive. They look like the Doctor. DOCTOR! Everybody in outer space looks like the Doctor. Cause the Doctor is the perfect being. We are all moving in perfect intellect and romance towards Doctorness Soon all will become the Doctor. Everything everywhere will be the Doctor. Why do you think they call it evolution anyway? It's really TARDISlution! TARDISlution! The Doctor is everything The Doctor is everywhere The Doctor is everybody The Doctor is Omega Man o man What I want you to see Is that the big D's Inside of you and me That's right ladies and gentlemen, The time has come! Time has come to talk To that little bit of the Doctor inside of you. Talk to it! Call it up! Say ~Doctor, heal me! Save me, Doctor! Make me be born again in the perfect Vortex light~ That's right! You've got that Doctor inside of ya and he's talkin to ya He says he wants you to trust him! Even when he lies - trust you must! And run like the Doc Get your legs going now Get your lips too. Not no fool Amy Pond lips either Everybody! Yeah, we're runnin' now! The Doctor is within us. He's with us and he's speaking to us. He says ~Peoples!~ ~Lifeforms!~ ~Everybody!~ ~Everybody got to trust!~ The Doctor is everything The Doctor is everywhere The Doctor is everybody The Doctor is Omega Man o man What I want you to see Is that the big D's Inside of you and me The Doctor is everything The Doctor is everywhere The Doctor is everybody The Doctor is Omega Man o man What I want you to see Is that the big D's Inside of you and me The Doctor!
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I'm surprised that you didn't work in the ducks in the duck pond. Actually, the one thing that I thought you might work in is the Cracks in Time having the Doctor in them. It might work with the but he's trying to get out line, but I like how the River Song bit there plays off Joan Rivers in the original.
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It's in the second wave of Target reprints, due out in the UK in May. Doctor Who News reports that, like the first wave, the second wave will have introductions by someone else. The Three Doctors has Alaister Reynolds giving the intro. Of particular interest to me is having Steven Moffat giving the introduction to The Ark in Space. I'm also curious to see what Michael Moorcock has to say in his introduction to Doctor Who and the Loch Ness Monster.
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I was really hoping to stop in today and see that there was a new Whotininnies.
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Fascinating discussion, and I agree with you. I was shocked at how dark they were willing to go with Clone Wars this season. And Witwer was amazing as Maul, I thought. Clone Wars perhaps embraces the fact that Star Wars is a fantasy rather than sci-fi more than even the films do. I'm surprised others can't see it.
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When I look out into your posts out there, when I look out into all the Docbacks, you know what I see? I see a little bit of the Doctor in each and every one of you there. Lemme tell ya ... Weeeeeeeeeellllllll... The Doctor is everything The Doctor is everywhere The Doctor is everybody The Doctor is Omega Man o man What I want you to see Is that the big D's Inside of you and me The Doctor is everywhere, man! He's in everything. He's in everybody ... The Doctor is in your eyes! He's in your iTunes! He's in Toblerones! The Doctor is in your mom! He's in everybody, In the Master, the Corsair, Donna, Cap'n Jack, Rose Tyler, Sara Jane, Rita and the Blue - Dorium got the Doctor in him too. The Doctor is in everybody here. Everybody's got The Doctor in them! Everybody except one person that is... Yeah, one person! The evil opposite of the Doctor. The Anti-Doctor. Anti-Doctor got no Doctor in him, Lemme tell ya. Adric got no Doctor in him. OH! 'Course the Doctor is in River Song But he's trying to get out, man! He's trying to get out! Listen up River Baby! The Doctor is everything The Doctor is everywhere The Doctor is everybody The Doctor is Omega Man o man What I want you to see Is that the big D's Inside of you and me Man, there's a lot of original questions out there in spacetime. Cracks in walls and silence falls - And why ain't there no ducks in that duck pond? Let me tell ya! Who blew the Big Bang? THE DOCTOR! Who killed the Time Lords? THE DOCTOR! Yeah, man you see guys walking down the street wearing hats and carrying boxes and you think they're talking to Silents, Or they're talking to their Gangers. Man, no they're talking to THE DOCTOR! DOCTOR! DOCTOR! You know whats going on with that Time War? Down in the Time War ... The Doctor hates Daleks. The Doctor hates Daleks. The Doctor Doctor Doctor Doctor Doctor Doctor Doctor Doctor hates Daleks. [The 8th Doctor being the one who time-locked the Daleks in the time war ...] Aah the Oncoming Storm! Valeyard Doctor! Lord President Doctor it is. Yeah man, you know people from outer space, people from outer space they come up to me. They don't look like like Cybermen. They don't look like Angels, all that Chumblie jive. They look like the Doctor. DOCTOR! Everybody in outer space looks like the Doctor. Cause the Doctor is the perfect being. We are all moving in perfect intellect and romance towards Doctorness Soon all will become the Doctor. Everything everywhere will be the Doctor. Why do you think they call it evolution anyway? It's really TARDISlution! TARDISlution! The Doctor is everything The Doctor is everywhere The Doctor is everybody The Doctor is Omega Man o man What I want you to see Is that the big D's Inside of you and me That's right ladies and gentlemen, The time has come! Time has come to talk To that little bit of psychic pollen inside of you. Talk to it! Call it up! Say ~Doctor, heal me! Save me, Doctor! Make me be born again in the perfect Vortex light~ That's right! You've got that Doctor inside of ya and he's talkin to ya He says he wants you to trust him! Even when he lies - trust you must! And run like the Doc Get your legs going now Get your lips too. Not no fool Amy Pond lips either Everybody! Yeah, we're runnin' now! The Doctor is within us. He's with us and he's speaking to us. He says ~Peoples!~ ~Lifeforms!~ ~Everybody!~ ~Everybody got to trust!~ The Doctor is everything The Doctor is everywhere The Doctor is everybody The Doctor is Omega Man o man What I want you to see Is that the big D's Inside of you and me The Doctor is everything The Doctor is everywhere The Doctor is everybody The Doctor is Omega Man o man What I want you to see Is that the big D's Inside of you and me The Doctor!
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Doc-Tor!
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http://redscharlach.tumblr.com/post/19565284869/otters-who-look-like-benedict-cumberbatch-a
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March 19, 2012, 8:18 p.m. CST
If anyone wants to watch a low-tech, mid-res video (in snippets) of 'The Three Doctors', here's a link...
by obijuanmartinez
http://www.dailymotion.com/video/x90bcr_the-three-doctors-part-1_shortfilms
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March 19, 2012, 8:27 p.m. CST
@gotlik - Holy mackerel! I never realized Clancy Brown was voicing Savage Oppress...
by obijuanmartinez
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March 19, 2012, 8:33 p.m. CST
...but it would've been pretty cool to have Peter Serafinowicz back voicing his Darthness
by obijuanmartinez
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March 20, 2012, 11:19 a.m. CST
In the sheerest of optimism, he looks to see if a link to a new Whotininnies had been posted
by DoctorTom
but to no avail *sigh*
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March 20, 2012, 11:29 a.m. CST
Galaxy 4 provided more riffing efforts than The Three Doctors
by DoctorTom
Energy blobs or gel guards don't lend themselves as easily as Chumblies for impromptu insertions into other episodes. Genesis of the Energy Blobs or The Gel Guard That Waited just doesn't convey the sheer amusement that, say, The Chumblie's Wife or The Chumblies' Masterplan gives us.
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or rather, one that was thought to be an imposter's before is now believed to be one of Van Gogh's. If there had been a TARDIS in the painting it could have been confirmed in 2010.
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http://www.digitalspy.co.uk/tv/s7/doctor-who/tubetalk/a372208/doctor-who-who-will-be-the-new-companion.html Anyone want to speculate ?
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A Blue Blob named Steve, and his robot Chumbly pet.
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...~sigh~ ...no...
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March 20, 2012, 4:52 p.m. CST
Patrick Troughton's Doctor Who story, "Seeds Of Death" on DVD June 4th, but...............................
by axcel1
Is it complete? I thought this was one of the many Troughton episodes that had missing parts. If it's complete, I'll be picking it up in June.
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I don't seem to recall any announcement being announced on the announcement bulletin board. And if there *is* going to be an announcement, I wonder why Digital Spy thinks it'll be the new companion? Maybe it's news on more missing episodes or something? Or possibly a new colour of bow tie for the next series?
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But you'll never guess who it'll be. You probably haven't even heard of her. Or him. Or it. Or her. If anyone can guess her name (or his name/its name) before tomorrow announcement, I'll give them a signed copy of Oolon Colluphid's 'Where God Went Wrong'.
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Now that the news is upon us fully, I'm not exactly sure how River would be with The Doctor gamboling around with another floozy. And I'm not sure how I'd be with The Doctor gamboling around with another floozie while his wife and love is sitting in a stormcage playing solitaire. That would be kind of dick-ish. On the bright side, maybe this all means we can throw the whole 'puppy-love' aspect out the window for a while, and settle in with a companion who is more than just a skirt with moxie. One would hope that The Doctor, having experienced love and friendship at the level he has now would not be so un-gallant as to just shove another doxy into the TARDIS. Maybe I'm hoping for too much - character development - but WHO she is is not so intriguing to me as Why she is.
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No names for a spoiler-free discussion. Cute girl - liked her in the superhero flick. Had a nice Can-Do attitude. Hope they don't helpless her down. She might be capable of handling armament. Just Lord Pray she's not just another shopgirl type plucked from her workaday life.
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So, she can't use armament - The Doctor being so skittish and all. But I'm completely good with a Mrs. Peel on the TARDIS. She'd be a Very Good Mrs. Peel on the TARDIS. Like a butt-kicking Romana. (I just watched most of season 16 -Romana would have been So much better if she had kicked butt instead of petulantly threatening the arrival of The Doctor to save her...) Wait. WHAT? Who the HELL was "Connie?" She wasn't the...? Aww heck. Nevermind. I am disappoint.
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March 20, 2012, 10:06 p.m. CST
@axcel1: 'Seeds of Death' is a complete 6-episode story, intact, and worth checking out!
by obijuanmartinez
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Green. Yellow ties are horrid and we've already had all the other colours thanks to fiendish lighting complexities. And that must be a hint about the announcement. Eva Green is the new companion! Yay! Oolon Colluphid will be mine! But wait. Oolon' is a contraction of Oolong. And oolong tea is a beautiful golden colour. Maybe the tie will be yellow after all. Damn. Then again Colluphid is a portmanteau of collophon and aphid. Collophons are parchment coloured. And aphids are green. Eva Green in a parchment bikini! In the rain! Yay! You can tell this 9 month wait thing is getting to me, can't you?
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http://www.digitalspy.co.uk/tv/s7/doctor-who/news/a372200/jenna-louise-coleman-to-replace-karen-gillan-in-doctor-who.html
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https://twitter.com/#!/search/%22Jenna-Louise%20Coleman%22/slideshow/photos?url=https%3A%2F%2Fp.twimg.com%2FAofbDFOCEAAFgwd.jpg
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http://vimeo.com/19641332
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March 21, 2012, 6:46 a.m. CST
Now that's not fair, dj. Karen's spice vs. Jenna's vapidity
by Perigee
Oooo - look... I've got hair... it's soo long - I'll move some over here... I should talk about my Ahsssss... Bleah. My dreams of a Dr. Who Mrs. Peel dies on the vine with that clip; it's like somebody dosed her with tranquilizers. Hopefully, somebody can zap her with a cattle prod and get her properly wound up. (Naww - no premature bitchin'; I'm still coming off the disappointment that she wasn't Cappy's machinegun wielding girlfriend, and was just the tentative nurse at the end. Grand Moff. Trust. Thy will be done.)
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http://www.bbc.co.uk/doctorwho/dw/news/bulletin_120321_02/Jenna-Louise_Coleman_Announced_as_New_Companion
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March 21, 2012, 6:54 a.m. CST
It must be very exciting writing the back story for a new companion...
by dj_bollocks
Refugee from Skaro ? Princess from some dystopian future ? Shape changing alien super spy ? The possibilities are endless... Can we just please move away from Earth girl from the UK please...
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Catsuits haven't been ruled out yet... Leather spandex or otherwise...
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Or as we've been calling her around these parts, 'not Sophie Myles'. Don't believe everything you read on the internet Docbackers!
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Updated email sent with some background for you.
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March 21, 2012, 10:25 a.m. CST
axcel1 - Seeds of Death is complete - this is the remastered version
by DoctorTom
the remastered version came out about a year ago in the UK in the Revisitations 2 box set. The set also included remastered versions of Carnival of Monsters and Resurrection of the Daleks. The 3 remastered DVDs that were released in the US this month were the ones from the Revisitations 3 box set - they're just getting around later this year to giving the US fans the ones from the Revisitations 2 box set. I bought the UK version of Revisitations 2 because they were slow showing any movement on bringing out the stuff from the first Revisitations box set (other than the Paul McGann movie) in the US - it took them a year to release the remastered Talons of Weng Chiang from that set over here, and longer than that to release the Caves of Androzani special edition here.
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No, it's not Sophie Myles. Which doesn't rule her out of appearing in Doctor Who, just not as the new companion (unless Moffat's being coy about sneaking in a second companion while we're being distracted by this announcement). Looks like I was right about them bringing in the new companion during the Christmas episode.
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March 21, 2012, 10:35 a.m. CST
Alien Catsuit Karate Connie. I like it. That should be her character name.
by Perigee
Give her a little Miss Piggy imperiousness and tendency towards violence. Plus a severe addiction to coffee. If any human on earth could accomplish that Kermit head-deflation-in-fear-of-bodily-harm look, it's Matt Smith. Besides, the product packaging would be stunning. Who wants an old ~Amelia Pond~ doll, when you could have an ~Alien Catsuit Karate Connie~ doll, complete with kung fu grip and a little plastic +I Hate Mondays+ coffee mug? It's the whole concept in a name. Like Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles. So. I don't care what Moff names her, or whether she is alien, in a cat suit, or is even named Connie - which is a perfectly serviceable name, by the way - Jenna Louise Coleman will now forever be Alien Catsuit Karate Connie to me. I do hope she lives up to my personal hype.
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March 21, 2012, 10:46 a.m. CST
I know what they should do for a backstory for the new companion
by DoctorTom
She can be from Galaxy 4, and was outcast for not having blond hair. And, she can show up with a pet Chumblie!
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March 21, 2012, 12:19 p.m. CST
Naw - screw the chumblie - let's Walking Dead her, wearing a robe, dragging two armless Deleks.
by Perigee
Now THAT's my Alien Catsuit Karate Connie!
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Does that mean we're going to find out that she's Ace's daughter?
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I bloody LOVE "The Three Doctors" despite its flaws. It had me cheering with delight when I was a kid, and it still does. Multi-Doctor story for the 50th anniversary? Yes please!
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March 21, 2012, 1:25 p.m. CST
no problem, gland_of_omega, there's always room for more at the party
by DoctorTom
Does The Three Doctors have flaws? Sure. Is it easy to ignore them? Certainly. The bickering between Pertwee and Troughton alone makes the story worth it. And Hartnell putting the two of them in their place is icing on the cake. Another thought on why the other incarnations defer to the Hartnell incarnation of the Doctor, the rest of them remember how crotchety he could originally get, and they'd just as soon avoid being on the receiving end of that. It makes more sense than the *he looks older than the others so he must be wiser* philosophy that seems to have come in with the anniversary stories.
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You could do a lot worse. ~Grin~ I'd think Ace's daughter, - If Ace's daughter was to Ace what Michael P Keaton was to his Dad. I wasn't really good with the Ace faux-punk Tank Girl routine. I don't like cutesy mischief destruction - I want it served up cold, hard and precise. In a way, one of Moff's recent statements about the choice - about Smith having to keep up with her - would be excellent if it meant what I wish it would mean: ----------------------------- The Doctor: They Have Alien Catsuit Karate Connie! I must save her! runrunrunrunrunrunrun... And there she is, sitting back in an easy chair with ten Silents stuffed in a fish tank like smelts under a ten-ton metal press, shooting paper clips idly at the candy red SQUISH button. ----------------------------- The Doctor: The Cybermen have Alien Catsuit Karate Connie! Come On! UNIT: To save her? The Doctor: To save Them... ------------------------------ It's the 21st century - do we really still need - or want - damsels in distress? Wouldn't it be nice to have a Mrs. Peel Alien Catsuit Karate Connie to count on to tie up the loose ends? Igualdad!
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I really like the scenarios you had there. I think the comparison to make might not be the Keaton comparison, but comparing Mark Shepard to his father Morgan Shepard. Similarities (since they're family), but each their own person, and both are badasses.
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I loved that fully-functional team concept; two people nibbling at two different ends of a problem until they cleaned it up in the middle... Mostly with the guy making sure his brolly didn't get dented while the gal turned into Taz incarnate. And then, off they'd go... I thought we'd get that with River - and did, just a little - but it was never really integrated until too late. The best River/Doctor episodes are the ones we will never, ever see - because at some point, between First Night and Last Night, they became a team and, as far as I'm concerned, they should get rid of Smith NOW and spin off a ~First Night-Last Night~ series and I'll be in perfect heaven. ~breathe...Breathe...~ And Moff better Announce Shep soon in one of these announcy things, or I will get very cross.
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I remember in the late 70's/early 80's when I was in college, CBS had their late night block of programming, and one of the things they liked showing was the color Diana Rigg episodes of the Avengers, as well as showing The New Avengers (where we got to see Joanna Lumley). It was definitely good stuff, and a good model that could be used for Doctor Who. I agree that it would be nice to have some more First Night/Last Night type stuff. I'd like to see some episodes where they're a team, maybe we'll get that in a story or two this season. We know that they're not going strictly in reverse chronological order, so it's possible to have some episodes with both River and the Doctor post-The Wedding of River Song. Though, if the new companion can function as a Mrs. Peel type, we wouldn't need to have the River Song episodes quite as much. I do hope that they do go this route though.
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March 21, 2012, 2:32 p.m. CST
Whatever happened to the Lara Croft chick - Lady Christiana de Souza?
by obijuanmartinez
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March 21, 2012, 2:54 p.m. CST
... And Gareth Whatsisname as "Gambit". Heh. Tom Jones lookin', squinky-eyed bastid...
by Perigee
Those were the days. The British knew how to write a theme song with a nice rolling bass line back then. Good ol' Laurie Johnson. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rzK76MLhpdY Pathetic theme, but great bass. Then Grey came in for Space 1999... where has the Great British Bass line gone?
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March 21, 2012, 2:58 p.m. CST
Obijuan - I don't think Moff was going to do anything with her
by DoctorTom
he seems to be more interested in using his own creations for companions than to pull in old ones, or at least, older companions from the new series - I suspect he wouldn't have problems bringing back companions from the classic show, and suspect we'll see some of that for the 50th anniversary. To be honest, she was fairly one-dimensional, and if we were going to have a female companion show up with an unusual bus I'd rather see him use Katy Manning as Iris Wildthyme (from the BBC novels and Big Finish audios). I don't see either one making an appearance again, though. That said, I could see him bringing back Captain Jack since he pretty much created him, though he'd have to work out scheduling with John Barrowman. I think I've seen him mention that he would have had Captain Jack in A Good Man Goes to War if Barrowman's schedule had permitted it. I would really like to get a story with Captain Jack and River Song in it, there's potential for comedy gold there. And, there's one other possibility I could see for a returning character - the Doctor's daughter Jenny. Put her in the story with River Song and Captain Jack and it could be even more fun. (Doctor) *Jenny, you're alive!* (Jenny) *Yes, and I'm going around with Captain Jack now* (Doctor) *Jack, you're going around with my daughter? Is there much dancing?* (Jack) *She's your daughter?* (River) *She's your what? Doctor, is this a Spoiler thing I shouldn't know about?* (Jack) *Oh, hi River.* (River) *Hi, Jack, so you hooked up with someone else now?* (Jack) *I thought that was just brief fling, River* (Doctor) *You had a fling with my wife?* (Jack) *She's your what?* (River) * Doctor, it was a long time before we were married* (Jenny) *You didn't invite me to the wedding, Dad?* (Amy)*Alright, what's all this?* (Doctor) *Oh, introductions are in order. Amy, this is my daughter Jenny. Jenny, this is your stepmother River, and your step-grandmother Amy. And your grandfather Rory.* (Rory) *I'm a grandfather now? I feel another headache coming on.*
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March 21, 2012, 3:01 p.m. CST
I wouldn't have passed her up for Amelia, but, yeah - missed possibility with her.
by Perigee
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they kept him around to kick down the doors, and waving around a gun but not usually getting to use it. Good times. Even though the stories usually weren't quite up to the Diana Rigg standards, they had a few good ones in there. And it's still better than most of the tv we get now. Now, we just need to have a comparison between Steed/Purdy/Gambit and Doctor/Amy/Rory...
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Come ON!! He was the Devil on Battlestar Galactica, for crying out loud! He was Marley in the Best Christmas Carol of All Time! He was Frickin' John Steed, dammit. We need a little Macnee on DW. Fast, while we can have him. Wooo. Master Macnee! Scaary! Some scientist somewhere with a blow-uppy thing! Yes! HEY!! He's the guy who asks the question that can't be answered... thing. !!!ELEVENTY!!! Start a STEED/TRENSALOR PETITION!!!! ~SOME believe that the Trensalor here... began out there...~
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March 21, 2012, 4:04 p.m. CST
doctortom, thanks for the heads-up............................................
by axcel1
I always thought "Seeds Of Death" was one of the many "lost" episodes. Like I said, I will be getting the DVD in June.
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..out of my Tardis.....Good to read that there's an air of mystery about her background, mind you Amy's background is still a mystery too so I hope that all gets wrapped up. I've just watched Season 5 again over a few nights and there's still a huge question mark hanging over Amy's origins. I can't believe the negative comments about the new girl on the the companion announcement thread, utter tripe. I've never watched anything the new girl's been in as I have an aversion to soap operas but , jeez , give the girl a chance. I'm not a huge fan of Amy , she's kinda level with Martha Jones for me - I can take or leave either of them, so I'm eager to see where they'll go with a new companion. Maybe she'll be an alien with a 'shimmer'
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Heh. I'm naughty.
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I see the Weeping Angels are making a return in the new series...any bets they'll be linked to the dissenting Time Lords in 'End of Time' who Rassilon referred to as the Weeping Angels of Old and appeared with their eyes covered up very much like the statues ? Could that be the origin of the species ?
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March 21, 2012, 7:20 p.m. CST
That is brilliant, and I Really appreciate the connection. But no.
by Perigee
Sadly, if I remember correctly, they were actually identified as a species unto themselves. I love the concept, though - truly brilliant. If only...
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March 21, 2012, 8:37 p.m. CST
Well... if Anyone Ever revisits this thread again, explain this to me...
by Perigee
Why in God's name does any Doctor just decide to shove off after a couple of years like they do? I know there are proponents of all the Doctors, but, really. These guys become instant icons, with mad fanbase that will stay with them for the rest of their lives because of that blue box. David Tennant has not set the world on fire post-Who; +voicing a character in some kind of cartoon about some Postman Pat thing I've never heard of, +trick casting with Catherine Tate to do Much Ado About Nothing. And yes - as I old-time Trekkie, I recognize live stage trick casting for a fanbase when I hear about it... +Audio books for something called Hiccup Horrendous Haddock III. +That remake of the vampire film. I don't think even his biggest fan would suggest that his post-Who career has come close to taking an upwards track from the series. So... why? And Eccleston (at least he left because of friction) hasn't fared much better. +Something called a Pod Clock in a TV version of The Borrowers +Destro in GI Joe. I'm sure I saw him in it, at some point. I guess. +He was in the TV show Heroes at some point. I don't remember that at all; must have been after I gave up on it. What's the rush to escape being the lead in an international hit TV series? Are they insane? ...Yes. I'm serious. It totally eludes me.
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When an actor takes on such an iconic role like the Doctor (or James Bond, to give another example), it's tough for them to be seen as anything else. And not just by the public, but by casting agents too. All of the actors in the role of the Doctor have gone on to other things, and most of them have been successful outside of television (usually on stage), but once you step into that blue box, you'll forever be tied to that one role. It's a tough decision to step away from such a well known role for an actor and it isn't usually taken lightly, but the schedule can be gruelling (remember, they have lots of other commitments outside of just filming the show when they take on this part) and it becomes all-consuming for some people. I'm looking forward to reading David Tennant's autobiography someday. Mainly so we can all see just how much he was torn between leaving the show, and staying on for a few more years. He had a *long* period of going back and forth on that big decision. And just think, you mentioned the 'mad fanbase that will stay with them for the rest of their lives'. Actors are people with families and private lives too, just like you and me. To have that constantly following you around can really drain you *every* day. Of course, they know what they're taking on, but at some point, you have to say 'Enough is enough, it's time to take a break from this' and move on. We'll never truly understand just how tough it can be, but we can imagine what that must feel like. Hopefully that answers your question somewhat!
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I don't think it's likely we're going to see the link between the Weeping Angels and the dissenting Time Lords in the next appearance of the Weeping Angels. It's far more likely that we might find a link between the Weeping Angels and why in The Eleventh Hour Rory had an ID badge with the year 1990 on it (when the adventure took place in 1996 and Rory would normally have been too young in 1990 to have been a nurse).
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Tennant did the pilot for the tv series Rex is Not Your Lawyer, trying to get a series in the US. NBC messed up by not picking it up. He also did the movie The Decoy Bride. Actually, looking at IMDB - here's his post-Who stuff: Postman Pat: The Movie - You Know You're the One (voice) (filming) 2012 Nativity 2: The Second Coming (filming) Mr. Peterson/Roderick Peterson 2012 The Pirates! Band of Misfits Charles Darwin (voice) 2012 True Love (TV series) Nick – Story One (2012) … Nick – Story Two … Nick 2011 This Is Jinsy (TV series) Mr. Slightlyman – Wedding Lottery (2011) … Mr. Slightlyman 2011 Fright Night Peter Vincent 2011 The Itch of the Golden Nit (short) Radio Newsreader (voice) / Stretchy McStretch (voice) 2011 The Decoy Bride James Arber 2011 United Jimmy Murphy 2011 Twenty Twelve (TV series) Narrator – Episode #1.6 (2011) … Narrator (voice) – Episode #1.5 (2011) … Narrator (voice) – Episode #1.4 (2011) … Narrator (voice) – Episode #1.3 (2011) … Narrator (voice) – Episode #1.2 (2011) … Narrator (voice) See all 6 episodes » 2010 Single Father (TV mini-series) Dave – Episode #1.4 (2010) … Dave – Episode #1.3 (2010) … Dave – Episode #1.2 (2010) … Dave – Episode #1.1 (2010) … Dave 2010 How to Train Your Dragon Spitelout (voice) Rex Is Not Your Lawyer (TV series) Rex Alexander – Pilot (2010) … Rex Alexander **** And, he also got married to Georgia Moffat. Here's Eccleston's imdb since Who: Song for Marion (post-production) James 2011 The Borrowers (TV movie) Pod Clock 2011 The Shadow Line (TV series) Joseph Bede – Episode #1.7 (2011) … Joseph Bede – Episode #1.6 (2011) … Joseph Bede – Episode #1.5 (2011) … Joseph Bede – Episode #1.4 (2011) … Joseph Bede – Episode #1.3 (2011) … Joseph Bede See all 7 episodes » 2010 Accused (TV series) Willy Houlihan – Willy's Story (2010) … Willy Houlihan 2010 The Happiness Salesman (short) Salesman 2010 Lennon Naked (TV movie) John Lennon 2009 Amelia Fred Noonan 2009 G.I. Joe: The Rise of Cobra McCullen / Destro 2008 The Sarah Silverman Program. (TV series) Dr. Lazer Rage – I Thought My Dad Was Dead, But It Turns Out He's Not (2008) … Dr. Lazer Rage 2008 New Orleans, Mon Amour Henry 2007 The Seeker: The Dark Is Rising The Rider 2007 Heroes (TV series) Claude – Chapter Seventeen 'Company Man' (2007) … Claude – Chapter Sixteen 'Unexpected' (2007) … Claude – Chapter Fourteen 'Distractions' (2007) … Claude – Chapter Thirteen 'The Fix' (2007) … Claude – Chapter Twelve 'Godsend' (2007) … Claude 2006 Perfect Parents (TV movie) Stuart **** The Shadow Line and the Lennon movie got a lot of interest from the press, if I recall. In the Seeker movie I think he was the main bad guy, and if the movie hadn't tanked probably would have had a chance to be in sequels (unless he decided not to swim in those pools again, either - I notice he's not in the next GI Joe movie, we'll just have to settle for having the Rock and Bruce Willis in the movie instead). Overall, I'd agree that Eccleston hasn't done as well as others possibly since leaving Who, but I think that's by his choice, or by the types of choices he's made. Tennant, though, seems to have stayed busy. He's had quite a few things going on (not to mention the wife and kids) Also note that the imdb list doesn't list any stage work that the actors have been doing, unless (like Hamlet) there was filming of one of the performances for release as a movie. I don't know how involved in the stage either of these two have been since Who, but the theater tradition seems to be more active in the UK than the US.
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See what I don't get is that the establishing shots of the burning/crashing Tardis in 11th Hour are over a very much modern London....all the landmarks are present and up to date. Amelia's night time garden meeting with the Doctor moments later is set circa 1996 ?? So therefore he must have crashed through time at the last moment right ? Or it's not the same crash...Or ...wildy speculating here...Leadworth exists outside the 'normal' time of the rest of the earth for some reason...in it's own little time bubble maybe ? Could explain the 1990 badge if time is different there ? Maybe the ducks couldn't exist in that place either. And also explain why Prisoner Zero chose to hide there in the first place..outside of normal space/time = hard to find, no ? Either that or it's 2 production gaffs ! There's a lot of questions in that episode that haven't been answered so I hope Moff has a satisfying conclusion. My favourite 'wrap up ' of a SciFi type show of recent years was Life on Mars / Ashes to Ashes where I think they did a great job of answering the many questions and mythos of the show but it was also quite moving at the same time. My least favourite was Blakes 7 where aged 10 I sat and watched all my favourite characters get shot. I was distraught...my Mum wrote and complained to the BBC !
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..What can I say...missed this at the Cinema but watched the Dvd with the kids. I thought it was terrific...visually stunning, the characters were great, thought the story rattled along at a good pace and had enough intrigue to keep me and the kids throughly entertained. the action sequences were among the best I've seen in a CGI movie. I don't get the negative press that had come it's way from some quarters. My kids want to watch it again soon. Son No.2 said it was his 2nd favourite film this year after Real Steel
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I've watched my (TOS) crew make the long cycle of typecasting and rebellion against the characters they created, only in later years to finally embrace them. And then I look at these guys and think, You're The Doctor - a national institution! You're childhood inspiration, making science 'cool!' There have been (almost) as many Doctors as there have been men that have walked on the moon, and overwhelmingly The Doctors are better well remembered than the Astronauts. It just seems like such an incredibly rare opportunity to represent something really good, pure and lasting. And such a short-sighted vanity to leave it to chase phantom goals. Perhaps DW is not Shakespeare. But, in its high defense, Shakespeare is not DW. You won't find schoolkids running around in tights tossing 'fairy dust' at other kids because they want to BE Puck. You definitely won't find any children mooning about in Nordic indecision because they want to BE Hamlet. There's a lot to be said for popular culture over literary archeology. The Doctor would say there are fixed points in time - and similarly, I would say that there are fixed points in culture. DW is one of them. If, as an actor, you seek to inspire, affect, contribute to a nation's culture, be remembered for your craft... to what more could you reasonably aspire?
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Just... Ick.
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March 22, 2012, 3:09 p.m. CST
Perigee - I never said Eccleston had good taste in choosing the movies he does
by DoctorTom
The Seeker and GI Joe are definitely pretty far quality-wise from 28 Days Later or eXistenZ. He seems to do better when choosing the more serious topic films - it seems like he might be doing the independent type films to do the types of movies he wants, then does things like the Seeker or GI Joe to get a paycheck so that he can live off that money while doing the indie films. It doesn't appear, though, that Eccleston has the problem that Jason Statham has of continually trying to draw to an inside straight (the excuse that Statham has used for the get-a-paycheck type movies like Dungeon Siege that he often shows up in).
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http://www.shortlist.com/entertainment/tv/set-pics-from-elementary
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Like comparing Life on Mars USA to the original British show. I'll eat my Tom Baker style scarf if it's any good.
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March 22, 2012, 3:26 p.m. CST
Oooh. And Karen getting all lookitme. Always worth a minute...
by Perigee
http://www.shortlist.com/entertainment/karen-gillan-wants-a-word
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I think we should all refer to the US show as Alimentary, as there's a fair chance that the show will end up an end-product thereof.
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Yaaay! One of my favorite companions!!!! Wheee! I'd even go with Alien Catsuit Karate Connie being a Leela. She wouldn't even have to wear a hide loincloth. ...necessarily...
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Ok, boys - I'm ready for tomorrow's docback. Number of times in 4 episodes Leela whined for The Doctor to save her - ZERO! Number of times in 4 episodes Leela plaintively threatened The Doctor was coming - ZERO! Leela Bodycount - 5! GADS, I forgot how much I liked Leela at times... and I probably admired her for all the wrong reasons back then.
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will somehow link to the characters being sent back in time via The Weeping Angels. But I find it hard to imagine them actually doing that. I think it's more likely someone put his date of birth in to the *Date of Issue* field.
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