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The Friday Docback Is Ensnared By 'The Web Planet' While Mulling 'A Scandal in Belgravia'!! DOCTOR WHO Story #13, SHERLOCK Story #4, & More In This Week's Docback/Lockback!




Merrick here...
...with a look at "The Web Planet" - the thirteenth-ever DOCTOR WHO story, starring William Hartnell.  This six part adventure first broadcast from February 13 - March 20, 1965.  This week also brings us the first of three new SHERLOCK telefilms, which we discuss a bit below.  
“The Web Planet” (Story #13)
MERRICK’S SIGNIFICANT OTHER (walking onto the room where Merrick is watching "The Web Planet"):  What’s this episode about?  
MERRICK:  The Doctor and his friends land on a crystal planet where moth people don’t like ant people and the ant people have a laser roach with a snout that blasts things, but it’s a really lousy shot kinda like Imperial Stormtroopers. And the Doctor’s talking to the ant people through a hair dryer.  
MERRICK’S SIGNIFICANT OTHER:  You didn’t drink ALL of the rum, did you?  I needed that for cooking. 
Written by Bill Strutton, “The Web Planet” finds the Doctor (William Hartnell), companions Ian (William Russell), Barbara (Jacqueline Hill), and Vicki (Maureen O’Brien) forcibly landed on soft-focused Planet Vortis, a crystalline wasteland which looks a bit like Krypton from Richard Donner’s 1978 SUPERMAN movie.  Our travelers become embroiled in bizarre insectoid conflict between a slow-moving and highly affected moth race called Menoptera and the wobbly, screeching, not particularly bright ant-like Zarbi. These ants bastards have, essentially, taken over the Menoptera ’s world.  Now the displaced and  pissed off moths have come back to kick some antish ass and take back their infested planet, and the Doctor and his companions are trapped in the middle of their campaign...
And yes, all of the above is serious, by the way.  
In nearly ever Docback, someone talks about how the early DOCTOR WHO stories were hamstrung by budget - thus resulting in a number of episodes that were less effective than they might’ve/should’ve been.  This is true, to an extent at least - although I sometimes feel this budgetary struggle is advanced by fans in a knee-jerk manner to explain away issues that actually have little to do with the show’s thin financing.  I.e. a saggy script with vast stretches of lifelessness is just that from the get-go.  While a higher budget might hide a weak script behind flashier spectacle, no amount of zip-pop-bang will truly mask a story that is fundamentally weak or poorly structured at its core. 
So, while I often challenge the “poor budget” conceit as catch-all excuse in many of these stories (thus far in my WHO exploration, I’ve had far greater issues with fundamental story structure than shoddy presentation), in the case of “The Web Planet,” I will concede that budget is both a primary, and killing, obstacle. 
Sutton’s wildly imaginative, even audacious, script advances a sprawling, self-contained mythology the likes of which is rarely seen on television.  In some regards, “The Web Planet” is more of an insular, fully developed arc unto itself than a DOCTOR WHO story.  In fact, with a little jimmying, this story could strip out the Doctor and his companions and still work as a serviceable, B-movie fantasy/science fiction piece on its own merits  (simply plug other space travelers into the mix instead).  There’s fully developed backstory, macro mythology, and an immediate crises which threads in both facets.  Pretty cool - and often deliciously, smartly fanciful. 
But for all of its bold vision, “The Web Planet” is quickly and irrecoverably sunk but its own execution - and it’s here that the aforementioned “budget” defense legitimately comes into play. The scale of Strutton’s vision simply couldn’t be supported by what The Powers That Be had to work with in this instance.  Complicated character designs are presented as rudimentarily as possible, sometimes with an Ed Woodsian slipshoddiness which seems more at home in a Middle School stage presentation than a professional television production.  Even by the admittedly uneven standards of previous vintage WHO entires, it’s hard not to grin at some of the lackluster and inadequate results sometimes put on screen here. In fact, I will state for then record that “The Web Planet” marks the first and only instance thus far in which I’ve laughed derisively at an early WHO episode.  It’s very hard not to.  
Frustratingly, these floppy results are often a direct result of required scale.  Making one creature look good on television or in film is difficult enough.  But when realizing many, many creatures - of multiple species - all of whom are performing critical on-screen functions?  ‘Twould be nearly impossible for many series to adequately rise to that challenge, especially a show which had as little time and money to work as DW.  
The affected and specifically spoken Menoptera...
...are interestingly conceived, but never deviate  from their spacey monotone and inflection - resulting in long passages of expository dialogue whose ethereal presentation sometimes drags proceedings to a complete halt. A viewer may find themselves rewinding these portions after realizing he or she ‘spaced out’ out during such dialogue.  There’s a great deal of critical information conveyed by the Menoptera , but the preciseness and cadence with which they are saying it sometimes make said information difficult to penetrate.   The Zarbi ants?  Well, really and truthfully, what is there to be said about this? 
As regrettable as this image seems?  It’s far worse in motion.  
A few interesting notions are introduced here, noted in “The Web Planet”... 
-- At one point, the Doctor and Ian each don an Atmospheric Density Jacket (ADJ) - essentially an EVA jacket featuring a "Respiratory Compensator."  "Sort of an advanced oxygen mask," per Ian.  A compelling concept which appears to have been summarily jettisoned roughly half way though the story.  Does anything like this figure into subsequent WHO?  I’ve always loved stories that involve the functionality of operating in certain environments, although I understand...especially on television...why additional wardrobe considerations could make such costuming a pain in the ass.  
-- The moth dudes fly in this episode!   Amazingly, when they do, they look no better or worse than Brain Blessed’s Hawkmen buzzing around in De Laurentiis’ 1980 FLASH GORDON film when they did 15 years later.  
-- The Animus - which emerges as this episode’s Big Bad - is an intriguing conceit which nicely implies a far grander and older universe than we see at face value.  A nice little touch of Lovecraft, the likes of which always suit this show well.  
-- I was surprised to note power cords plugging the TARDIS’ center console into the wall early in the episode.  I thought perhaps this must be an error/oversight of some sort, until the Doctor pointedly makes a reference to not unplugging a different device from the wall later in the story. Whether that console power chord was intentional or not, the notion of the TARDIS command console being plugged into an outlet on a wall is rather funny and great as far as I’m concerned, so I hope that’s what was being inferred here. Although I’m kinda guessing it wasn’t...
--- "The Web Planet" offers one the first instances of the Doctor in something of a James T. Kirk capacity.  I'm not talking about his being strong or intimidating...rather stepping forward to negotiate and wiggle around the threat of an alien menace.  This nicely composed shot illustrates the sequence...
This episode had an odd effect on me.  Perhaps ‘tis merely a product of  my exceptionally challenging week.  Or, perhaps the story’s rich vision is forensically overpowering the tale’s clunky actualities.  Either way, I emphatically believe that the “The Web Planet” is the most tacky, ridiculous, and shameful WHO I’ve come across to date.  But I don’t hate it  - I admire its tenacity, its heart, and respect the breadth of what its makers were trying to achieve - even if they fell far short of their mark.  
All of this production’s problems can be encapsulated by a fleeting moment in its final three minutes of the adventure in which one of the moth dudes is making a stirring speech while looking off towards the stars.  A subordinate is standing next to him, appearing completely lost (as a performer, not a character).  About half way through this speech, and without missing a beat, the boss moth reaches out and physically turns the nearby actor so that the confused performer is oriented skyward like all the other moth folk.  A potentially nice moment undermined by clunky and shameless execution.  Which pretty much sums up the whole of this affair.  
My initial impulse had been to present this review as an open letter to Steven Moffat, sarcastically outlining why “The Web Planet” should be revisited by new WHO and its modern whiz-bang technology.  But then I started thinking:  perhaps that’s not such a horrible idea?  The make-up and VFX capacities of modern WHO could forge a rather stunning realization of what the production couldn’t accomplish back when this story aired in 1965.  Something along the lines of “War of the Space Bugs” might fit Moffat’s recently stated interest in “movie poster straplines and slutty titles” (a close paraphrase), play into The Moff’s decided fanciful sensibilities, and be a pretty flashy selling point by way of promoting episode specific imagery.  Would this ever happen?  I doubt it so, so, much.  But a full-on, high-tech version of this conceit, or something equally as audacious and visually challenging and distinctive?   THAT could be something to see...something as special as “The Web Planet” might’ve been.  
"The Web Planet" is availabe on DVD HERE in the U.S. and HERE in the U.K.  Where are Menoptera action figures? 
More SHERLOCK This Weekend!! "A Scandal in Belgravia" Premieres...
...Sunday  8:10 PM on BBC One.  
A new wave of SHERLOCK telefilms debuts with “A Scandal in Belgravia.”  This is, of course, Steven Moffat and Mark Gatiss’ brilliantly modernized television adaptation of Sir Arthur Conan Doyle’s source material - not the parallel Robert Downey Jr. theatrical series.  The new SHERLOCK eps will broadcast in U.K. first, followed by a Summer 2012 U.S. premiere (at least it was targeting Summer last I heard).  
BBC’s site teases “Scandal,” scripted by Mister Moffat, thusly:  
"We are in Buckingham Palace, the very heart of the British nation - Sherlock Holmes, put your trousers on."
A case of blackmail threatens to topple the monarchy itself, but soon Sherlock and John discover there is even more to it than that. They find themselves battling international terrorism, rogue CIA agents, and a secret conspiracy involving the British government.
But this case will cast a longer shadow on their lives than they could ever imagine, as the great detective begins a long duel of wits with an antagonist as cold and ruthless and brilliant as himself: Irene Adler.
The new installments returns Benedict Cumberbatch and Martin Freeman to the roles of Sherlock Holmes and John Watson respectively.  As a side note, they’ll both play roles in Peter Jackson’s forthcoming HOBBIT motion pictures as well (Freeman will play protagonist Bilbo, while Cumberbatch will voice Smaug the dragon).  The stunning Lara Pulver is Irene Adler in this iteration.  
“The Hounds of Baskerville” (scripted by Gatiss) and “The Reichenbach Fall” (written by Steve Thompson, who brought us “The Blind Banker” in last year’s series) will follow quickly.  
The amazing Paul McGuigan will direct “Scandal” and “Hound” - he directed “A Study in Pink” and “The Great Game” the last tine around (my two favorites!) DOCTOR WHO veteran Toby Haynes (“The Pandorica Opens,” “The Big Bang,” “A Christmas Carol,” “The Impossible Astronaut,” and “Day of the Moon” will helm “Reichenbach.
As these new SHERLOCK installments air, the Friday Docback will be considered a Lockback as well...with the same previously established Code of Conduct rules applying to both.  If you’re new to AICN Docbacks and would like to discuss either DOCTOR WHO or SHERLOCK?  
WELCOME!  We are very, very glad you’re joining us...please take a few moments to familiarize yourselves with the Code of Conduct posted below, as the rules of this particular place are extremely different than anywhere else on AICN...and we’re rather serious about enforcing them.  
The first three SHERLOCK telefilms are now available on Blu-ray HERE in the U.S. and HERE in the U.K.  The U.S. link also offers streaming via Amazon, the same installments are streamable via Netflix as well (at one point they were HD - not sure if they still are - but the show looks fantastic in HD, so I strongly recommend this option if it's available to you).  
With that, the game is afoot!  







"The Impossible Astronaut"

"Day of the Moon"

"The Curse of the Black Spot"

"The Doctor's Wife"

"The Rebel Flesh"

"The Almost People"

"A Good Man Goes To War"

"Let's Kill Hitler"

"Night Terrors"


"The Doctor, The Widow and the Wardrobe" (2011 Christmas Special)  



"An Unearthly Child" (Story #1)

"The Daleks" (Story #2)

"The Edge of Destruction" (Story #3)

"Marco Polo" (Story #4)

"The Keys of Marinus(Story #5)

"The Aztecs" (Story #6)

"The Sensorites" (Story #7)

"The Reign of Terror" (Story #8)

"Planet of Giants" (Story #9) 

"The Dalek Invasion of Earth" (Story #10)

"The Rescue" (Story #11) 

"The Romans"  (story #12) 

"The Gunfighters" (Story #25)

"The Colony in Space" (Story #58) 

"Day of the Daleks" (Story #60) + Preview of the DotD Special Edition

"The Talons of Weng-Chiang" (Story #91)

"The Sun Makers(Story #95)

"The Awakening" (Story #131)

"Frontios(Story #132)

"Time and the Rani" (Story #144)

"Paradise Towers" (Story #145) + New WHOvian Documentary / Newsbits


Merrick's Personal Journey With The Doctor (How Merrick Got Hooked On DOCTOR WHO)

DOCTOR WHO Title Sequences & DW At Comic-Con 2011

"The Crash of the Elysium" (Manchester version - interactive DOCTOR WHO adventure)

Why Eccleston Left, Here Comes Caroline Skinner, And Season/Series Six Part 1 on Blu-Ray And DVD

New Trailer For Season/Series Six Part 2



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  • Dec. 30, 2011, 11:31 a.m. CST

    Web Planet

    by HornOrSilk

    It really is one of those weird stories. It's an absolute failure in execution -- and yet even in its failure it has things to highlight (like the flight) which makes one wonder. The ideas are what I love about the story. It is a shame it could not be done for DW. And just a note: There is a "sequel."

  • Dec. 30, 2011, 11:33 a.m. CST

    Web Planet, is like the only 1st Doctor serial that I haven't seen.

    by Michael_Jacksons_Ghost

    Is it missing, or is the story on vhs/dvd? Oh, and a Happy New year Docbackers!

  • Dec. 30, 2011, 11:34 a.m. CST

    michael_jacksons_ghost Re: "Web Planet" DVD links

    by Merrick

    They're at the bottom of the article.

  • Dec. 30, 2011, 11:35 a.m. CST

    low budget, huge imagination

    by DimensionsPlural

    True, they could never fully realize the script for this story, but god love them for trying! The idea of smearing grease over the lens to represent a strange planetary atmosphere probably seemed like a great money-saver, but just makes everything look - well, greasy! And doesn't one of the Zarbi crash into the camera at one point? Cheap stuff, but I still love it.

  • Dec. 30, 2011, 11:47 a.m. CST

    Merrick thanks, and yeah, I brainfarted.

    by Michael_Jacksons_Ghost

    Know what I will be buying over the weekend.

  • Dec. 30, 2011, 12:18 p.m. CST

    W H O T I N I N N I E S ! ! !

    by gotilk

    loud enough? Don't tell me you've quit. must.have.fix.

  • Dec. 30, 2011, 12:33 p.m. CST

    gotilk re: podcast

    by Merrick

    No! It's not dead at all. We're just challenged by nutty Holiday schedules and whatnot. It'll be back...shortly and absolutely!

  • Dec. 30, 2011, 12:44 p.m. CST

    Hey Merrick ...

    by DrMorbius

    There's a typo you might want to fix ... *The new installments returns Benedict Cumberbatch and Martin Freeman to the roles of Sherlock Holmes and John Watson respectively. As a side note, they’ll both play rolls in Peter Jackson’s forthcoming HOBBIT motion pictures as well ... * Unless, of course, Cumberbatch and Freeman will be portraying types of bread, in the Hobbit!

  • Dec. 30, 2011, 12:51 p.m. CST

    merrick ...makes sense

    by gotilk

    and THANK GOODNESS! :) Are you almost as excited about Sherlock as you are about Who when you know there's going to be a new episode? I am.

  • Dec. 30, 2011, 12:54 p.m. CST

    Laser roach!

    by DoctorTom

    Wonderful phrase, I'd like to see Matt Smith get to use it some time. I don't think the BBC would let him use the phrase and bastards, though. I could see Warren Ellis using the phrase, though.

  • Dec. 30, 2011, 12:56 p.m. CST

    Sherlock telling the phone to shut up.

    by gotilk

    Holy crap. I do that. Often. I hadn't seen any clips yet, but I'm glad I finally did. I'm so excited for these episodes/films.

  • Dec. 30, 2011, 1:06 p.m. CST

    drmorbius - THANK YOU

    by Merrick

    I'd fixed that already, but the site seems to be working against me this morning. Tried a new way this time - hopefully it'll work. Much appreciated!

  • Dec. 30, 2011, 1:07 p.m. CST

    gotilk re: SHERLOCK

    by Merrick

    *** Are you almost as excited about Sherlock as you are about Who when you know there's going to be a new episode? *** Pretty damn close, yes.

  • Dec. 30, 2011, 1:23 p.m. CST


    by Abe

    I felt compelled to comment. Fan of the ol doc since I was a kid....annnnd lets just say Baker was STILL the Doc when I started watching. Okay I was five. But I have noticed a trend here. I saw 'Docback" and "The Web Planet" and thought...GREAT! One of my favorites of all time! He is sooooooooo gonna hate on it. ...Sho' 'nuff. At this point, I think you should lay off all these Hartnell releases....They CLEARLY aren't your thing, and I get the feeling they are DE-mystifying the series for you. I get it...they look cheap...they aren't particularly sophisticated. You are just wrong about them. Please give a Troughton a try. Start with 'Seeds of Death" or "Tomb". In any case...all you have been swayed that these Hartnell's are BUNKO based on the majority of these reviews...PLEASE give them a try for yourselves!! I always way to watch the Doc...start from the first. Go with 'Unearthly Child' and keep truckin'. I would save the reconstructions of the thrown-out eps as dessert when you have finally blazed your way through the 'classic' era. -Abe Viva La Matt Smith!

  • Dec. 30, 2011, 1:25 p.m. CST

    I always hear punch me in the face

    by maelstrom_ZERO

    . . .when you're speaking, but it's usually subtext.

  • Dec. 30, 2011, 1:27 p.m. CST

    Wasn't the novelization called "Dr. Who and the Zarbi?"

    by I am_NOTREAL

    Or is there another Zarbi story? Fairly sure I never saw this but can't remember if I read it or not. There was a time where I gobbled those Target novelizations like jellybeans.

  • Dec. 30, 2011, 1:40 p.m. CST


    by Merrick

    The point of the Docbacks is to chronicle my knee jerk reactions to the episodes I'm exposed to, and to provide talking points for others to discuss their memories or experiences with the same episodes (and WHO in general). The Docback was never about categorically loving all things WHO, nor do I expect or encourage all readers to agree with me. If everyone did...the world would be a dull and boring place. In general, I feel I've been rather fair in my assessment of earlier episodes. There have been, for example, a few posts from readers in the past suggesting my assessments were perhaps the most level and balanced they'd come across. I don't think I'm being harsh, per se...just realistic. And I don't think you have to look too deeply to find my considerable love for the show as a "universe" or "mythology." Nothing about any of this is "DE-mystifying" DW as a whole for me. Rather the reverse - it's helping me to understand the show much more deeply and fully. Which is one of the reasons I'm determined to continue watching them in sequence - to experience "this" change or "that" character introduction in the correct sequence/chronology whenever possible. To preserve the experience of discovery. Your message is interesting to me because I genuinely don't believe my tone is as you suggest it to be. If others disagree, please let me know.

  • Dec. 30, 2011, 1:45 p.m. CST

    Sherlock also show on PBS' Mastpiece Theatre but not sure when.

    by mistergreen

  • Dec. 30, 2011, 2:13 p.m. CST

    Well, apparently, my post got partially deleted

    by maelstrom_ZERO

    But I was commenting on how that "punch me in the face" line was the funniest bit of dialogue I've come across since the Doctor motioned Rita saying "we'll talk" back in the God Complex. I have to say that I'm tremendously looking forward to the new episodes of Sherlock. If the new episodes are anything close to the brilliance of the first ep and the tension in the 3rd ep, then it'll be a treat watching the new stories unfold. The good thing is that they picked some of the biggest and best Holmes stories to adapt too. I'm really looking forward to Irene Adler doing a number on Sherlock.

  • Dec. 30, 2011, 2:47 p.m. CST


    by gotilk

    Mistergreen - I'm seeing May as confirmed for the PBS showings. Far too long a wait for me, but I will certainly watch it when it airs as well as DVR it and watch it within 48 hrs. Then buy the Blu, etc etc. lol maelstrom0 - The punch me in the face/subtext lines were SO great I almost... almost wish I hadn't seen them out of the episode context. But I'm terribly impatient (see above). I think Lara Pulver will be a wonderful Irene. She has a brightness in her eyes. Lovely, sharp and a little bit dangerous.

  • Dec. 30, 2011, 2:52 p.m. CST


    by gotilk

    How did you manage to use quotes? Change of browser? Some kind of javascript exception/disallow? I'm curious,because I have tried pretty much everything and my posts are always truncated when I use quotation marks.

  • Dec. 30, 2011, 2:55 p.m. CST

    I don't mean to ogle....

    by gotilk

    But my goodness she looks so lovely as Irene Adler:

  • Dec. 30, 2011, 3:01 p.m. CST

    I so want to like Sherlock ... (*SPOILERS*)

    by veteran_of_mu

    And these trailers make it look great. But the first three episodes just don't do a thing for me. I would happily give them all away for just another 10 minutes of Jeremy Brett in the role. It's not that Cumberbatch doesn't carry it. He does. Martin Freeman not so much, though I can imagine him getting better. Nor is it the writing. At least not per se. Oh it's spotty in spots, but generally the dialogue snaps and the characters shine. It's the goddamned horrible plotting. Execrable, vile, nonsensical, wrong-headed, incomplete, absent-minded and just downright poor plotting. Let's review. Study in Pink. Introduces our heroes, sets them both on arcs, creates an interesting challenge and then ... and then it's Vizini's death in Princess Bride. Or rather no even Vizini's death. It's as if M&G had never seen Vizini's death and had the whole think planned out just like Vizini's death when someone gently pointed out that their plot was identical with Vizini's death. Whoops! Now you might say, oh no, it's just that you, Caractacus, are not smart enough to come up with the Cabbie's real plan. If you were as clever as M&G, you might say, you'd of course recognize the brilliant difference in what they've pull off. And I might say, okay, if I were M&G here's what I'd have done: Sherlock lifts the pill to his lips, watching the Cabbie's face, then lowers it. ~Iris dilation is involuntary even in a sociopath,~ he says, ~I should know. I'll take your pill.~ The Cabbie makes a run for it and then Watson shoots him. Done. So ... humbug to that. Next we had The Blind Banker. Again, stirling performances, lovely dialogue, excellent settings but ... the yellow peril? I thought we were updating Sherlock for this century - no? I mean I love the Talons of Weng Chiang and so on but why can't we turn the whole thing about? Let us have white collar Chinese manipulating the City of London on a massive scale using the secret code to trigger coordinated trading events. Let us have a string of murders to prevent the secret of the code falling into the wrong hands - key management is the primary logistic difficulty in cryptography - and then let us have the Tong revealed as Sherlock's employer. Revealed by whom? That should have been the only intimation of the hand of Moriarty. Watson smiling at Sherlock's brilliance while Sherlock scowls at the invisible hand. None of this vaudeville Sirry Irriot stuff. Humbug again - and racist humbug at that! And then ... oh, dear, do I have to remember this? And then ... The Great Game. Which should have had Moriarty manipulating layers of Russian and British secret services, multiple double agents and Sherlock searching doggedly, tirelessly, for the puppet-master, the puller of strings ... only to find that this Moriarty was a school teacher or college professor of his, a mentor gone wrong, ideally the fellow who introduced him to Watson, a master manipulator about whom Mycroft had only the vaguest intimations ... that these machinations continued a tradition that wound back to the 19th century and the Great Game in Afghanistan - would have been worth watching! Instead ... instead we had a Sherlock Holmes who does not know physics fundamentals and does not see their utility in his work. Not Sherlock the scientist and monographer, a titanic polymath whose encyclopedic understanding of science enables him to detect implications of plain sight clues that evade even the well educated Watson. No, a Sherlock who thinks the Sun revolves around the Earth. An idiot Sherlock whose ability to understand the subtleties around him is reduced to the quirk of a savant. Humbug - anti-intellectual humbug. But worse is to come. Much worse. Jim Moriarty, the fan. Tittery voice and can't think as clearly as Watson - who could easily have taken it into his head to knock Jim out to get the situation back under control. Jim Moriarty who plays gay to cover the fact that he is gay. Jim Moriarty who has been stalking Sherlock since school days, not because of Sherlock's potential to obstruct his megalomania, but because he is bored. Even this I could forgive as an updating of the character if only ... that cliffhanger. That clanging idiotic cliffhanger that reduces the entire series to the level of Danger Mouse. I want M&G to prove me wrong. I want the next episode or two to set this series on rails. Make ~Jim Moriarty~ be a sock-puppet too. Make the real Moriarty someone unseen, someone unsee-able, and create about him a vast international conspiracy on a scale that puts SPECTRE to shame. Not a conspiracy of agents. A conspiracy of corpocrats, each pulling strings in their own organization, each secretly controlled by someone else ... a maze of conspiracies. Give us this grown-up Holmes, not Danger Mouse, and I will like Sherlock. But I don't think it's very bloody likely ... I think I will have to be content to like to hate Sherlock. Maybe I will ...

  • Dec. 30, 2011, 3:10 p.m. CST

    re: gotilk

    by maelstrom_ZERO

    I actually did use quotation marks, and everything outside the quotation marks got deleted (which was like 2-3 paragraphs of stuff). . .so yeah, haha. Not sure what happened there. I guess the trick is to never quote anything on AICN apparently. *makes mental note to self*

  • Dec. 30, 2011, 3:19 p.m. CST

    re: caractacuspotts

    by Rathbone

    Wow! I'm impressed with your breakdown of the series' shortcomings. I've felt much the same, but have been unable to sum it up quite so neatly as you did. I don't have any love for the plot mechanics of the first season. But I still enjoy the series for the lead performances and the interplay between Cumberbatch and Freeman. In a way, that mirrors my enjoyment of the original Holmes stories. My favorite parts were the brief glimpses we'd get of life at 221B Baker St. BEFORE the mystery would begin.

  • Dec. 30, 2011, 3:27 p.m. CST

    The Web Planet

    by sunspot_mike

    is cheap, slow, and weird. And it's one of the most psychedelic pieces of mainstream sci-fi of the Sixties without being stupidly blatant. It's also one of the most "alien" episodes of Doctor Who. It's absolutely experimental and the production team gives it the ol' college try but they're in way over their head. I kinda love it for that. Anyway, I find that I think about it more than I do alot of the other of the Hartnell serials and I think that's because it's just really weird (I really like The Aztecs, The Chase, and The Gunfighters as well.) Conceptually, it's pretty awesome. I read Doctor Who and The Zarbi too and in that one, they really expand on the serial.

  • Dec. 30, 2011, 3:45 p.m. CST


    by Riff_Randell

    Love Sherlock. And we get three great full-length movies a year instead of one lukewarm, non-Sherlocky one. IDGAF.

  • Dec. 30, 2011, 3:45 p.m. CST

    Been a while since I last saw it

    by I am not a number

    But THE WEB PLANET at least makes an attempt to depict alien thought, such as when they refer to making holes to the surface as “making mouths in the wall to speak light.” Still, you have to be pretty forgiving of the alien costumes (moreso than usual) with this episode.

  • Dec. 30, 2011, 3:55 p.m. CST

    re: caractacuspotts

    by maelstrom_ZERO

    I'm not sure how familiar you are with the source material--if you're well versed in it, then pardon the gratuitous review. But if not, I did want to touch on a couple points in your post--basically, that the idea of Sherlock not knowing the earth revolved around the sun, as well as the Yellow Peril vibe in Ep 2, are both things that are pretty true to the novels. I can't remember in which story it appeared, but the general content of Watson expressing disbelief at Holmes not knowing such basic astronomy is almost lifted directly from the novels. The Yellow Peril thing is something that is also very much in tune with the stories Doyle wrote. There were quite a few occasions when Holmes would appear at the very beginning and very end of the story, while the bulk of it involved the antagonist/victim/etc doing a long and involved flashback that covered exotic arenas and distant places. A Study in Scarlet is a basic example of that, where Doyle spent much of the time examining the "exotic" Mormon community in the States. There are other stories like that, and hopefully other Talkbackers can elaborate since it's been a few years since I've read the stories. But despite that, your other concerns are pretty valid. Even though the Yellow Peril thing is kind of true to the nature of the books, I wasn't a big fan of the episode. I mean, there's plenty of homegrown crime in London to take advantage of instead of doing some weird Chinese smuggling ring thing. And I also agree that the show's portrayal of Moriarity is extremely off-putting. But all in all, I end up liking the series quite a bit. For a modern take on Holmes that isn't the Jeremy Brett version, it's actually very very good. Much more satisfying than the Guy Ritchie interpretation by a long shot.

  • Dec. 30, 2011, 4:25 p.m. CST

    some love for Luther too?

    by Dr.007

    another series that kicks ass. on to the Hour!

  • Dec. 30, 2011, 4:56 p.m. CST

    by Clio

    His ignorance was as remarkable as his knowledge. Of contemporary literature, philosophy and politics he appeared to know next to nothing. Upon my quoting Thomas Carlyle, he inquired in the naivest way who he might be and what he had done. My surprise reached a climax, however, when I found incidentally that he was ignorant of the Copernican Theory and of the composition of the Solar System. That any civilized human being in this nineteenth century should not be aware that the earth travelled round the sun appeared to be to me such an extraordinary fact that I could hardly realize it.

  • Dec. 30, 2011, 4:59 p.m. CST

    Post mangled

    by Clio

    My post just above was mangled, half of it simply disappeared, and I don't feel like typing all of it again. The only part it shows is a quote from Conan Doyle's very first Holmes story: A Study in Scarlet.......for someone in an earlier post who thought the modern Holmes acts more like an idiot savant.

  • Dec. 30, 2011, 5:51 p.m. CST

    Not low budget

    by SpyroJance

    I remember reading (it may have been in Starlog) that "The Web Planet" was the most expensive Doctor Who story up until "The Leisure Hive".

  • Dec. 30, 2011, 6 p.m. CST


    by gotilk

    I don't gargle around florists?

  • Dec. 30, 2011, 6:08 p.m. CST


    by gotilk

    It appears as if when using quotes here, some people (for unknown reasons) always can, others only sometimes can (no-one has figured out what it is they do when they suddenly are able to) and the rest of us (including me) NEVER can. Well, at least without losing everything except what was within the quotation marks. I've gotten used to the bug, but it now haunts me as I see others being truncated, then not... without knowing how or why it worked the second time. I've tried re-posting multiple times with no luck. Someday, I'll find out the secret. Or it'll get fixed and I'll never know. In the meantime, I use *these* instead of quotes. It works and is a little festive on top of it. lol

  • Dec. 30, 2011, 6:20 p.m. CST


    by gotilk

    LOVED series one of Luther. Series two, I liked a lot. I missed Alice. She creeped me out by making me like her. For a while I thought she (Ruth Wilson) could be a great Irene Adler, but her portrayal of Alice Morgan almost carries too much baggage for it to even be possible. I would keep looking at Irene and expecting her to be a completely cold, sociopathic murderer. I always found it funny that her last name was Morgan, as she would be the perfect wife for Dexter. Perfect, that is, if your idea of perfection is the bringing about of early Armageddon. I picture her character riding off into the sunset of a career right alongside Anthony Robbins on a motivational speaking tour. Luther, by the way, has been renewed for a third series. Crossing my fingers for the return of Alice. And more ice cream of course.

  • Dec. 30, 2011, 6:24 p.m. CST


    by Renee Knowles

    I'll wait to see more before passing judgment. Regarding the books, I think people's exposure to different interpretations of Sherlock Holmes will color whether or not they think the modern incarnations are "right". Take the Downey Jr. movie... you've got two solid camps, one of whom says it's a modern flash-bang-boom Sherlock for the ADHD generation (the latest movie seems to lend credence to this group), and another which points to calculated violence and use of firearms in the books. I've read about half of the books, but watched virtually no older visual versions (except, perhaps, the Great Mouse Detective as a child). I thought both Sherlock and the first Downey Jr. film were decent interpretations, but when you're talking about a modernization, I have a suspicion the debate is a bit moot. Most people's exposure was through older TV shows and movies, even if they also read the books, so I have a feeling they'll see those as more "correct". None of them are on the nose.

  • Dec. 30, 2011, 6:26 p.m. CST

    I really need to pick Luther back up

    by Renee Knowles

    I watched the first ep and got distracted. Hear such good stuff.

  • Dec. 30, 2011, 9:38 p.m. CST

    Sherlock Holmes in the 22nd Century

    by glenn_the_frog

    was the definitive version, and you all know it. Doyle clearly had robots and flying cars in mind when he originally wrote the books.

  • Dec. 30, 2011, 10:27 p.m. CST

    Of course he did. Wouldn't you?

    by Renee Knowles

  • Dec. 30, 2011, 10:34 p.m. CST

    Holmes was well versed in astronomy as in literature.

    by veteran_of_mu

    @maelstrom & clio, In ~A Study in Scarlet~ Watson is guessing about Holmes to discover his occupation - he doesn't even know Holmes is a detective. And Holmes is far from helpful to him, answering obliquely so that Watson is led to conclude Holmes is an ignoramus. But Bradley Shaefer did the legwork on this back in 1993 ( Where Watson thought Holmes ignorant of literature, Holmes quotes Horace, Flaubert, Goethe and Shiller in their original languages, and in English Shakespeare and Thoreau. Holmes alludes to many other English writers and poets while recommending to Watson in particular Jean Paul, Winwoode Reade, Petrarch and George Merideth. Far from ~Nil~. In The Musgrave Ritual Holmes correctly calculates the location of the former Crown Jewels of England according to the movements of the sun over time - which would not be possible for him if he did not possess an intimate mathematical understanding of the Copernican form of our solar system. At the start of The Greek Interpreter Holmes reveals that he was current on then accepted theories about the causes of change in the obliquity of the ecliptic - not a concept that can be framed at all in Ptolemaic terms. Most significantly of all, Holmes is known to have made an intense study of the most minute details of the career of one Professor James Moriarty, perhaps the most accomplished mathematical astronomer of the day (Shaefer makes an excellent argument that Moriarty was modeled on the real life Professor Simon Newcomb). Doyle wrote of Moriarty's work that it ~ascends to such rarefied heights of pure mathematics that it is said that there was no man in the scientific press capable of criticizing it~. Holmes could not possibly have failed to study mathematics and physics sufficiently to follow Moriarty's publication. Making Holmes himself defend this supposed failing in his own character in the M&G tales is simply not credible. The flaw lies in the understanding of the screenwriters, not in the understanding of the Great Detective.

  • Dec. 31, 2011, 12:34 a.m. CST

    I'm mistaken.

    by veteran_of_mu

    Their script is very close to the original Study: My surprise reached a climax, however, when I found incidentally that he was ignorant of the Copernican Theory and of the composition of the Solar System. That any civilized human being in this nineteenth century should not be aware that the earth travelled round the sun appeared to me to be such an extraordinary fact that I could hardly realize it. ~You appear to be astonished,~ he said, smiling at my expression of surprise. ~Now that I do know it I shall do my best to forget it.~ ~To forget it!~ ~You see,~ he explained, ~I consider that a man's brain originally is like a little empty attic, and you have to stock it with such furniture as you choose. A fool takes in all the lumber of every sort that he comes across, so that the knowledge which might be useful to him gets crowded out, or at best is jumbled up with a lot of other things, so that he has a difficulty in laying his hands upon it. Now the skillful workman is very careful indeed as to what he takes into his brain-attic. He will have nothing but the tools which may help him in doing his work, but of these he has a large assortment, and all in the most perfect order. It is a mistake to think that that little room has elastic walls and can distend to any extent. Depend upon it there comes a time when for every addition of knowledge you forget something that you knew before. It is of the highest importance, therefore, not to have useless facts elbowing out the useful ones.~ ~But the Solar System!~ I protested. ~What the deuce is it to me?~ he interrupted impatiently: ~you say that we go round the sun. If we went round the moon it would not make a pennyworth of difference to me or to my work.~ Conceivably Holmes' awareness of Copernicus may have developed after this interview. Although it seems still more likely that it was Doyle's awareness of Holmes that developed. Nevertheless it is my ignorance of the text of Study, not the screenwriters', that is at fault in this instance. Thanks maelstrom for for the tip-off!

  • Dec. 31, 2011, 7:30 a.m. CST

    Happy New Years, DocBackers

    by Perigee

    I don't know much about gooney looking space ants or Mummer moths, but I know what I like. You guys. So, best wishes to Merrick, Sammy, Shibs, Gotilk, Doctom, Caractacus, MOV, and all the rest of you maniacs that make this place the sole sane respite in an otherwise wretched hive of scum and villainy. Stay safe tonight, and have a better 2012! - Bob

  • Dec. 31, 2011, 8:28 a.m. CST


    by shibleybc

    Isnt that short for Kate? ;) All the best sir, especially as you didnt mention Protocol/Frozen! Beware the ides of March ;) Hope you have a good evening :) Simon

  • Dec. 31, 2011, 8:44 a.m. CST

    Strange video this week...

    by dj_bollocks

    Anyway, as I mentioned if you want all the Dr Who books sign up at this site and follow the link... And Happy New Year !

  • Dec. 31, 2011, 8:56 a.m. CST

    Although they might be dead now...

    by dj_bollocks


  • Dec. 31, 2011, 9:30 a.m. CST

    Scandal in Belgravia...

    by huskerdu2 the best Sherlock adventure so far. 'Nuff said!

  • Dec. 31, 2011, 12:45 p.m. CST

    Congrats to David & Georgia...

    by dj_bollocks

  • Dec. 31, 2011, 2:53 p.m. CST

    perigree, SJW, Merrick, and EVERYONE

    by gotilk

    who comes here, old and new. Have a Happy New Year! Stay safe this holiday but have a great time!! This is going to be a good year, I can feel it in my bones. Or maybe that's just the metastatic bone cancer talking again. HA! Dark humour for the holidays. I love all of you and look forward to another year of DocBacks! Be well.

  • Dec. 31, 2011, 2:59 p.m. CST

    It is an unusual video choice

    by gotilk

    But I love it. She's adorable. I will often get *lost in youtube* (which should be in the DSM by next volume) just watching Who fan videos. The nerdier the better, and the bibliophiles are the BEST ones because I share their obsessions. I find a LOT of Doctor Who fandom are also bibliophiles. But always be cautious, because we all know that ALL long roads on YouTube lead to its dark side. It's inevitable. At a certain point it's all grotesque bug bites being lanced and air crash videos. Browse with caution. lol

  • Dec. 31, 2011, 5:39 p.m. CST

    Happy new year, Docbackers!

    by DoctorTom

    Thanks to everyone, especially gotilk, sam, perigee, rebel,shibley and protocolfor all the fun discussions, and darthdevious for the videos this year. And thanks to Caractuspotts for keeping us entertained with his HATs - and I've been staying away from the Closing Time thread for adding sories while on vacation, so if you've put a Last! there it should stay for a while. And extra special thanks to Merrick for having this forum for us to gather in. I'm having good vibes about the upcoming year, even though Who won't be back until the fall (unless we get little bots during shows like Comic Relief). I suspect that Moffat's right about fall/winter being the best time for watching Doctor Who - once we get through the gap I'm hoping that we'll have a regular schedule with some stories in the fall and the rest starting soon afte the new year; January and February would be good times to have Doctor Who livening up dark evenings. Moffat's statements that we're entering the longest period of production yet makes me feel good about stuff to show up in 2013. And, we have 3 Sherlock stories to start out the year with, so that's a good way to make a start to the new year. Hoping things go well for all of us this next year!

  • Dec. 31, 2011, 5:40 p.m. CST

    quick question for Docbackers

    by DoctorTom

    has anyone started playing the beta for the Doctor Who MMO? If so, how's your experience with it been?

  • Dec. 31, 2011, 7:59 p.m. CST


    by wtriker1701

    May each of you have a pleasant, joyful, rich, surprising, entertaining, AS-HAPPY-AS-CAN-BE 2012!!!!!! Per Platjenwerbe (3 a.m.)

  • Dec. 31, 2011, 9:32 p.m. CST


    by gotilk

    I have not tried it yet but actually plan to. I'll let you know. Where is it again? I want to make sure I find it this evening. Happy New Year to YOU too. It will be a good year.

  • Dec. 31, 2011, 10:57 p.m. CST

    Happy WHO Year to one and all!!!

    by DrMorbius

    . . . . . . . . H A P P Y . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . W H O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . Y E A R . . . . . . . . .

  • Dec. 31, 2011, 11:02 p.m. CST

    Happy New Year!

    by Terry

    To all my fellow Docbackers, May you all have a wonderful New Year full of fun, good health, and prosperity. Take care my friends!

  • Dec. 31, 2011, 11:37 p.m. CST

    A Living But Dormant Mind

    by veteran_of_mu

    I had occasion to review TEH in showing it to my deprived American nephews yesterday. It will seem astonishing to you lot that any of my friends and relations could possibly by DW virgins, but my spouse's family largely come from non-geek stock. My brother in law is an exception and his kids certainly carry geek genes, but they've had precious little opportunity to figure out what that means yet. I gave 'em all sonics for Christmas and I'm damned if they didn't think they were some kind of light saber or Rowling wand. But I was able to sneak TEH into a baby-sitting session and it had the desired effect. Plus my offspring will have followed up with spoilers so I think the nephews are safely on the track of that old time religion now. Apart from the rare pleasure of watching DW through new eyes I noticed 5 interesting things. Two were dream lord birdsong cues - I think they've been commented on here before but I hadn't noticed them. There was also the flippy 70s digital clock in the TARDIS ... though no real-to-real (spelling intentional) tape recorder. The 4th is in the Doc's holographic recall sequence (btw that's another example of the HAT about the Doc interleaving himself with moments of time in order to get more thinking done). After zipping around looking at old people taking photos of the sun the Doc notices *2* people who are pointing their camera phones at something else. The first is of course Rory. But there is also a young girl in a phone booth who is taking surreptitious video of Rory. It's not the same actress but I think it's reasonable to think this is intended to be Melody Pond. The 5th and most interesting thing of all was a line the Doctor delivers around the Duck Pond shortly after asking Rory why he's videoing a man with a dog. Most people are aware the Doc has just noticed that Rory's hospital badge is from 1990 - meaning that this Rory is 20 years too young to be the man to whom the card belongs. And the Doc's holovision also lingered on Rory's pocket, where there was a bulge. Now, Rory being a nurse, I think we know exactly what that bulge had to be. A Watch. Next the Doc seems to rough Rory up on the pretext of getting him to stop going on about ~the raggedy doctor~. The Doc was in a hurry but there's no doubt that much contact gave him a chance to pick Rory's pocket. Now the Doc rants about ~a psychic link with a living but dormant mind~ - and simultaneously pokes Rory in the head. This is telling. More telling still is the fact that in the next clear shot we have of Rory's top pocket - just before Prisoner Zero sinks into the sewer - Rory's top pocket is flat. No bulge. Empty. Devoid of Watch. Rory Williams is The Master. Happy 2012 everyone!

  • Dec. 31, 2011, 11:48 p.m. CST

    The series 6 Blu Ray is GORGEOUS!

    by gotilk

    Will do a full reaction when I've seen all the episodes. Looks LOVERLY on a nice, big, 1080p 43 inch screen!! Was it Merrick who said that the whole look of the more recent series' is stunning on Blu? DAMNED right it is. My goodness. Also got a Roku HD with remote with my gift cards. Cannot wait to plug it in and mess around with it. Not sure how much 1080p content is on the net though. Some on YouTube at least.

  • Dec. 31, 2011, 11:50 p.m. CST


    by gotilk

    I must say I love the way your brain works, and I hope/wish Moffat is playing as long a game as your HATs would imply. I think the universe you have created here could be even more interesting than what exists in the Whoniverse itself. With no offense intended to the creators of said universe, for a show I adore.

  • Jan. 1, 2012, 12:12 a.m. CST


    by veteran_of_mu

    As ever you are too kind. I understand it is possible the Moff is just being mysterious for the sake of being mysterious. But I frankly doubt it. Why linger on the bulge in the pocket? Why linger on the girl in the phone booth? These things had to be scripted or they wouldn't have been filmed. Likewise the Doc's sleight of hand in TGWW - no way could that be by accident, or for no purpose. If it is not a long game by The Moff, it is a long game being played on The Moff and the rest of us by someone with a far craftier mind than mine. The Phantom Cinematographer Of Olde Londone Towne ... I don't buy that. Consequently, yep, the Moff is way ahead of us. And if you doubt that, go back and watch FOTD. Moff don't shiv.

  • Jan. 1, 2012, 12:21 a.m. CST


    by gotilk

    *go back and watch FOTD. Moff don't shiv* True that... true that.

  • Jan. 1, 2012, 12:34 a.m. CST

    The 41 Series 6 Teasers - Can We Explain Them Now?

    by veteran_of_mu

    The Doctor will be on trial – twice! Who controls the light sculptors? You won’t believe what’s buried under Wembley Stadium. Scared of the Eye in Space? You should be. Take up thy sins and walk – slowly. There won’t be a pub quiz on Tuesday because there won’t be a pub. Beau Geste is cool. [I think we know this one ...] Bow Street runners are cool. Bromley-by-Bow is cool. 4 August 1982 – Happy Birthday, Ma’am. Some lies are too much for the psychic paper. ~I won’t take calls from THAT Prime Minister.~ ~Marc, where are you?~ The only water in the forest is the river. [And this one] What awaits the TARDIS at the zero point? ~72 years on and Rory’s still terrified of Granny Grainger?~ ~I was lost in France.~ ~How could a fellow Gallifreyan stoop so low?~ Horror of Bangkok. ~Give it up, sweet Korn.~ Argonite? Here? An ordinary block of flats. ~If I saw them walking down the high street what would I think?~~I don’t think you’d think anything at all, Amy.~ [Silents] Find the lady – before she finds you! [Kovarian] ~Margaret! Come back!~ The Doctor defeats the Sahara Desert. Susannah’s still alive. Mill Green on fire. The Doctor will get married – Twice! [We saw a Doc in a Doc get married - is that twice?] What are the dangers of Port Olveron? 502, but never 503. Beware of the kites. ~A pillar of salt, yes – but not because she looked back. Looking back is good!~ They’ll have to get a new name for Thanksgiving. Pay attention – It’s not really her. [Flamy] Treading through the sand – on the one night they come back. The Shuddering Brethren, they’ll stick in your mind. ~I’m my own Doctor.~ Octavian wasn’t lying. Mysterious semblance at the the strand of nightmares. The bones of the TARDIS. [The Doctor's Wife?]

  • Jan. 1, 2012, 12:37 a.m. CST

    Ooh, the 502 one is the time that was stuck in TWORS ...

    by veteran_of_mu

  • Jan. 1, 2012, 12:58 a.m. CST

    An ordinary block of flats..... Night terrors!!!!!!

    by sam jacksons wig

  • Jan. 1, 2012, 1:01 a.m. CST

    ~I’m my own Doctor.~.... The Rebel Flesh....???? Hmmmmm

    by sam jacksons wig

  • Jan. 1, 2012, 1:07 a.m. CST

    Been away for a little while.....

    by sam jacksons wig

    .....but feels good to be able to pop back for a little while. I hope that all of you had a great new year and your celebrations went well. It's all over here in the UK- 7.03 am and not a trace of a hangover in the Wig household. (but the wife is still in bed so I will reserve that comment for later- she tackled a wee bit of vino during the festivities) Todays joint of choice- beef. Horn, caractacus, DocTom, Frozen, gotilk, wtriker, phineas, MJG et al..... and last but certainly not least Merrick and MOV.... missed you all, guys!!!! And my quote that sums up 2011..... " Don't ask me.... I'm just improvising." SJW.

  • Jan. 1, 2012, 1:12 a.m. CST

    New Sherlock tonight!!!!!......

    by sam jacksons wig

    ...I am almost salivating thinking about just how fucking great it is going to be!!! The only downwer? 3 fucking episodes and no more (presumably) until next year!!! Oh how it all ends soooooooo quickly! But I shall savour every second of it while I can! And MOV- PLEEEEEASSEEE for the love of CHRIST tell me there isn't a cliffhanger like last time!!! I don't think my poor wifes vocabulary could ttake it!!

  • Jan. 1, 2012, 1:41 a.m. CST

    sam jacksons wig

    by gotilk

    Feels good to have you back. Any plans for the changing of the year, or has it already happened for you?

  • Jan. 1, 2012, 1:45 a.m. CST

    There is a myth related to New Year's Eve

    by gotilk

    in which they claim that what you are doing at midnight you will do all year. This is, of course impossible and if true would get annoying really fast, even if the moment was extremely pleasurable. But I will say that in the spirit of the myth, I will be doing 3 things at midnight this evening. 1. I will not divulge (but isn't that, you pervs) 2. Posting to DocBack and 3. Listening to the last half of the last Whotininnies in the background.

  • Jan. 1, 2012, 1:45 a.m. CST


    by gotilk

    and installing my new ROKU.

  • Jan. 1, 2012, 2:01 a.m. CST

    Midnight!! (PST)

    by gotilk

    Happy New Year!

  • Jan. 1, 2012, 2:21 a.m. CST

    One last post before bedtime.

    by gotilk

    Is it sad that I didn't go anywhere for NY Eve? Nah, I was doing something VERY important. And some things I love to do. Sorry for being off-topic a little, but I finally grabbed a hardback copy of *Ready Player One*, which I have heard is a really interesting novel. We'll see. The girl who sold it to me said that she knew 3 other people reading it right now, and she seemed very nerdy. So I have high hopes.

  • Jan. 1, 2012, 3:12 a.m. CST


    by sam jacksons wig

    .... ah, I don't plan on any resolutions as I tend to break them all. Look forward to a huge holiday this year- did Hawaii last year, so I want to top that. Am thinking of somewhere like Peru. As I have worked all of this holiday season ( someone had to) next one I have five days off over Christmas, am in for 2 days and then off for 4 over New Year. I hope that whatever it was you were doing was fruitful. And yes.... it feels good to be back. Have a great 2012!!!!

  • Jan. 1, 2012, 7:07 a.m. CST

    New Years glitch??? My last post seems to have been swallowed.....

    by sam jacksons wig

    ...oh well. In summation- nice to be back. No resolutions this year.

  • Jan. 1, 2012, 7:27 a.m. CST


    by gotilk

    I woke up after about 4 hrs sleep and decided to check out Worlds In Time (the MMORPG) and it looks like fun. I am interested in the mention of micropayments. Do you know if they are required to do anything of significance in the game? I'd much prefer a monthly fee over being nickled and dimed like some Facebook games (well, games ON Facebook). If anyone else here has tried it, let me know how the game feels. I'm as curious as doctortom now. I like good MMORPG, and strangely enough prefer the more cartoonish look, with an isometric rather than first-person view. And I do enjoy games that reward time and effort more than games that let people pay 25 cents here and a dollar there to jump ahead. Not even the wiki is helpful, nor is the site itself oddly. And The TARDIS Index File article appears to be in the throes of a delete/restore war. (UNGH! DeletARDS) I think I'll be giving it a shot tomorrow anyway and will post my impressions.

  • Jan. 1, 2012, 7:31 a.m. CST

    sam jacksons wig

    by gotilk

    I've always wanted to see Peru, and Machu Picchu. Lovely choice.

  • Jan. 1, 2012, 7:44 a.m. CST

    Why There Are No Ducks On The Duck Pond

    by veteran_of_mu

    Because, of course, the duck pond is Rory's The Master's TARDIS obscured by its chameleon circuit. Welcome back Sam!

  • Jan. 1, 2012, 9:13 a.m. CST

    Do we have a name yet for Rory/Master?

    by gotilk

    Raster? Rorster? I like The Raster. In any case, at least it isn't John Simm in a dress.

  • Jan. 1, 2012, 9:29 a.m. CST

    Happy Who Year to you all!

    by Mister Vertue

    Is it possible to be patient for 10 months? We don't have any other choice really, do we? I'm sure it'll be well worth it in the end though.

  • Jan. 1, 2012, 9:31 a.m. CST

    caractacuspotts - your brain

    by Mister Vertue

    The way it works is truly a thing of wonder. Sometimes you get *very* close to the truth, and other times you couldn't be further away. It makes for very entertaining reading though!

  • Jan. 1, 2012, 9:34 a.m. CST

    sam jacksons wig - cliffhanger

    by Mister Vertue

    Firstly, great to see you back! Secondly, I have absolutely *no* idea if we'll end on a cliffhanger, although if it's anything like the source material, it'll probably be more of a 'waterfall-faller' rather than a 'cliffhanger', wouldn't you say?

  • Jan. 1, 2012, 9:43 a.m. CST


    by dj_bollocks

    The Salacious Story of the Sinister Centrepark ?

  • Jan. 1, 2012, 9:51 a.m. CST

    The Ponds - bittersweet

    by Mister Vertue

    I'm sure they can have a tragic end tinged with happiness. Or a happy end tinged with tragedy. As the 4th Doctor said, the moment has been prepared for. In fact, I think the moment has been prepared for since the very beginning...

  • Jan. 1, 2012, 9:55 a.m. CST

    dj_bollocks - that should have come with a spoiler warning

    by Mister Vertue

    You've obviously read Doyle's original notes regarding Sherlock's intended demise at the hands of an angry leisure centre attendant because he decided to bomb in the shallow end of the kiddy pool.

  • Jan. 1, 2012, 10 a.m. CST

    re MOV - my apologies...

    by dj_bollocks

    Good job I didn't mention the ducking, petting, smoking, running, pushing or acrobatics and gymnastics... Oh...

  • Jan. 1, 2012, 12:07 p.m. CST

    gotillk- Who online game

    by DoctorTom

    I didn't even know that they had been using micropayments, I only knew that they were heading into a beta test right now. I'd agree that a monthly charge might be better than micropayments, but I suppose it depends on how much and how many micropayments there are involved to do things. IF there's someone who doesn't play it much every month, they might not have to pay much at all in micropayments - maybe this is some inducement to bring in people who don't want to have to pay a monthly fee just to try it out to see if they like it. Maybe at some point they'll give an option for just a flat monthly charge. It sounds like the TARDIS files and such are caught in the throes of the beta testing, and they're trying to work out something more optimal for them. Oh, I saw your mention of Ready Player One. I read that earlier this year, when it came out. I really enjoyed the book.

  • Jan. 1, 2012, 12:14 p.m. CST

    MOV - you're right, we don't have much choice about the wait

    by DoctorTom

    whether it's 9 or 10 months. I don't know if they've decided when to start showing, but I suspect it might actually be in September or the very beginning of October at the latest, so that they can put out a DVD set for the first half of the season mid-late November so that it would be available for Christmas. I also suspect that we'll get some little tidbits now and then to keep up the excitement. I suspect we'll get something for Comic Relief (Moffat seems to have mastered doing short sketches set on the TARDIS), and I suspect that the official convention was done in part because of the longer gap between seasons. We might possibly get some teasers coming out of the convention. Sorry I forgot to put your name in with the others in my New Year post - Happy New Year and I hope things go well for you this year! You'll have to let us know if you have anything happen as interesting as the reindeer wrangling thing you had mentioned before. :)

  • Jan. 1, 2012, 12:20 p.m. CST

    Happy New Year everyone!

    by Kevin Bolinger

    I hope everyone has a great year, and that things improve for those in need. So, would anyone over in the UK be interested in sending a care package to me filled with jelly babies? :P LOL LOL AHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!!

  • Jan. 1, 2012, 12:33 p.m. CST

    You too, darthdevious !

    by gotilk

    I have no jelly babies, and I'm not in the UK... but I do have tropical Haribo. They are magnificent.

  • Jan. 1, 2012, 12:37 p.m. CST

    darthdevious (and SJW)

    by DoctorTom

    Darthdevious, you could probably arrange a care package swap with Sam Jackson's Wig - he sends you a care box stocked up with jelly babies and you send him a care package stocked up with Tastykakes. Yes, I've had my Tastykake fix this vacation - primarily Tastyklairs, though I was pleasantly surprised by the limited edition Black and White baked pie. And, of course, Butterscoth Krimpets. Oh well, I have to go get ready for my plane flight back home - if I'm not on later tonight I should check in tomorrow (hopefully with having seen Sherlock)

  • Jan. 1, 2012, 3:05 p.m. CST

    Unlock code for mobile phone

    by V'Shael

    I'm putting my guess out there... the 4 digit code is 2212.

  • Jan. 1, 2012, 3:35 p.m. CST

    Oh, Fantastic!! I am Sherlocked into little tiny bits....

    by V'Shael

    And I loved the ending. Mycroft would only tell John what he did, because he knew Sherlock would be able to tell he was lying.

  • Jan. 1, 2012, 3:36 p.m. CST

    Worse tha

    by Octavian

  • Jan. 1, 2012, 3:53 p.m. CST

    Quite enjoyable...

    by dj_bollocks

    But a bit of a mess... Fantastic dialogue, a bit disappointed with the Moriarty cop out, but a good way to spend 90 mins... Let's face it I'd rather do great indelicate things to my delicates than watch Eastenders or Absolutely Fabulous...

  • .... mesmerising. Beautiful. Compelling. Awesome. I was hooked from the moment it started until the moment it ended. If that is the taste of the things to come, I am in AWE!!!!!!!!!!!!!! I love. (and absolutely no spoilers. This has to be seen to be enjoyed- all the way through to the cheer-out-loud finale!!!) WATCH THIS NOW!!!

  • Jan. 1, 2012, 4:50 p.m. CST


    by sam jacksons wig

    .... me waaaaaant tastycakes. I am willing to swap both my cats, a rubber band, 3 books on stamp collecting, a lightbulb and the complete works of Harry Stephen Keeler for such traty goodness. Offers???????

  • Jan. 1, 2012, 4:54 p.m. CST

    MOV- Ohhhhhhhh........

    by sam jacksons wig god. Sherlock was just fantastic television. And it is so good to be back- thanks for the welcome.

  • Jan. 1, 2012, 5:07 p.m. CST


    by Ian bandy

    The other controllers, of every station but BBC One, must just be weeping into thier pitiful, reality nonsense, dancing / singing, waste of time, schedules after watching that sublime, pitch perfect, piece of golden TV. We are very lucky. Well done everyone involved.

  • Jan. 1, 2012, 5:19 p.m. CST


    by veteran_of_mu

    If we fans can raise the bar a little for your homophone, we're doing our job. But I blush anyway. It would be wonderful to be able to get some ideas on a screen one day. I havent the foggiest how to go about it. I would have killed to see my preferred ending to SIP - as in Go, the best move is right next to the worst move …

  • Jan. 1, 2012, 5:47 p.m. CST

    ianbandy1 - I agree completely....

    by sam jacksons wig

    ...LET THEM WEEP!!!!!!!!!!! Stunning television. And it doesn't happen that often.

  • Jan. 1, 2012, 5:53 p.m. CST

    is Sherlock going to be on PBS again?

    by lynxpro

    I really disliked the presentation of "Sherlock" on PBS last year. And it's not just because I dislike Alan Cumming as the host of Masterpiece either. There was almost zero promotion for it Stateside. Terrible. I'd much rather have it on BBC America although since I have DirecTV I wouldn't get to enjoy it in HD. It just amazes me how the BBC basically forced Doctor Who onto BBC America to build up the channel [yet it still receives lower ratings on BBCA with a very large promotion versus almost no promotion on SyFy but had better ratings] yet it'll sell off its other great dramas to the highest bidder... [wait, did I just lump Torchwood in as a great drama? Shame on me there; I recant!].

  • Jan. 1, 2012, 6:02 p.m. CST

    Thank you Sam Jacksons Wig!

    by Ian bandy

    Can't wait until next week now!

  • Jan. 1, 2012, 6:20 p.m. CST

    lynxpro re: SHERLOCK and PBS

    by Merrick

    *** There was almost zero promotion for it Stateside. Terrible. I'd much rather have it on BBC America although since I have DirecTV I wouldn't get to enjoy it in HD.*** I agree completely. I've written before that PBS is *totally* the wrong audience for M/G's SHERLOCK. I don't know a single person who watched SHERLOCK on PBS and liked the show. People I know who watched it via streaming, Blu-ray, etc. fell madly in love with the series. Which suggests to me that PBS is not the place for it due to all the reasons you mention, but also because the demographic/audience for PBS isn't a good fit. On my end, I'll be doing all I can to pimp the Blu-rays and streams and whatever of Series 2 as soon as they come around - so at least *some* people who are bound to miss it due to PBS' woefully inadequate promotion will know the title is alive & kicking ass. I'll try to plug PBS' broadcast of the stories as well, I've said...I've had shit luck getting people to try it on PBS. Until someone else picks up future SHERLOCKs, alternative dissemination seems like the show's best bet here in the States. All IMHO, of course.

  • Jan. 1, 2012, 6:41 p.m. CST


    by gotilk

    PBS has confirmed they will air series 2 starting in May. This is probably the first and last we'll hear about it other than the normal amount of Masterpiece promotions (few). I watched what I consider *the repeats* on PBS, but only the last 2 as it was a surprise to me that they were airing it at all. Like Merrick said... terrible promotion. It was nice to see them in true HD rather than 480p widescreen or slightly better. It looked gorgeous on PBS. I'm a PBS supporter, probably true of some of us here, and I did write to them about how badly I thought they promoted Sherlock. A real missed opportunity.

  • Jan. 1, 2012, 6:44 p.m. CST

    As you can see....

    by gotilk

    Even on Twitter, promotion of Sherlock appears to be a secondary afterthought: DOWNTON ABBEY!!!..... oh and yeah.. Sherlock. Well, to be fair that's TV Guide not PBS itself. But still...

  • Jan. 1, 2012, 7:22 p.m. CST

    about to watch....

    by gotilk

    Nervous excitement here.

  • Jan. 1, 2012, 7:23 p.m. CST

    Scandal In Belgravia = Excellent.

    by Nerfee

    There was some nice fleshing out, updating the mythos. I thought it was over several times... Baskerville next week!

  • for children. Not Sherlock. Nope. This is brilliant, and I am beyond frustration that I must stop watching for a short time.

  • Jan. 1, 2012, 7:39 p.m. CST

    Another not-really-a-spoiler.

    by gotilk

    I really thought he was yelling shut up to a phone ring. Turns out it was a doorbell. My bad. I guess only I shout at telephones after all.

  • Jan. 1, 2012, 7:50 p.m. CST

    The term plunging neckline was just re-defined.

    by gotilk

    And green has momentarily become my favorite color.

  • Jan. 1, 2012, 8:45 p.m. CST

    Give over Catlettuce.

    by V'Shael

    Find one instance of where MOV claims to be Moffat. You've mentioned this delusion more than once, and I still haven't seen any evidence that he's claimed it, or that people generally believe it.

  • ...I'm more annoyed you're trolling here. MOV- I'm afraid we have another moron to add to the collection. How many times do these people say the same old thing thinking it's some new shit??? I'm glad I don't owe you a fiver for everytime this has happened!!

  • Jan. 1, 2012, 8:47 p.m. CST

    catlettuce4 + reported = BANHAMMER!!!!!!! (hopefully)

    by sam jacksons wig

  • Jan. 1, 2012, 8:48 p.m. CST

    gotilk - so, you liked????....

    by sam jacksons wig

    ....wasn't it just so fucking fantastic?????!!!!!

  • Jan. 1, 2012, 8:49 p.m. CST

    ianbandy- you're most welcome.

    by sam jacksons wig

  • Jan. 1, 2012, 9:05 p.m. CST


    by gotilk

    I am not done watching yet, had to stop again. But I think the pass-code is VERY obvious. I could be wrong, but I think it has something to do with his name. Out on a limb here. But it can't be that simple. When you think about it, it does make sense that HE would never think of it. My guess would be SHER(7437). But wouldn't that be too easy?

  • Jan. 1, 2012, 9:07 p.m. CST

    sam jacksons wig

    by gotilk

    So far.... AMAZING! Just tremendous. I'm about 1hr 3min in.

  • Jan. 1, 2012, 9:09 p.m. CST

    SHERLOCK "Scandal" Is Crazy Brilliant In So Many Ways...

    by Merrick

    Need some time to process, but...damn. Wow.

  • Jan. 1, 2012, 9:28 p.m. CST

    Yeah, that was ridiculously, painfully good.

    by notspock2

    If they can keep this going for another two weeks, they may as well engrave the Baftas now.

  • Jan. 1, 2012, 9:50 p.m. CST


    by gotilk

    And that ending was the best!

  • Jan. 1, 2012, 10:19 p.m. CST

    I'm sure most of us saw the (spoiler)

    by gotilk

    code coming a mile away. But it makes PERFECT sense that Sherlock did not see it.

  • Jan. 1, 2012, 10:51 p.m. CST

    Sam - Butterscotch krimpets and the like

    by DoctorTom

    Butterscotch krimpets are a golden cake with a butterscotch frosting. This year I noticed on the website and saw that they had a limited edition item for cream filled butterscotch krimpets. I ordered those from the company and gave half to a friend here who's also a krimpet fiend. While I was on vacation I bought him a few boxes of Tastykakes as a late Christmas present and shipped them out a few days ago - he'll get them in a couple of days. (I wasn't going to risk trying to briing them back on the plane - even if I had had the room in my luggage, I'm sure the TSA would have confiscated all of the Tastykakes claiming they couldn't tell the difference between a cupcake and a terrorist's bomb - much like in the Christmas special they had problems differentiating between wool and weapons). I'm getting Sherlock from my brother, but I'm a bit tired from the trip and want to wait until tomorrow to watch it because I want to make sure I'm awake enough to enjoy it. And, of course I'll post my feelings about the episode here, as opposed to the one where Herc is trying to horn in on the action. We'll keep the Moffbacks here. I'm glad to see the non-spoiler responses are good for the episode, though. Sam, like I said in the post to Darthdevious, I think the two of you could arrange an exchange of jelly babies for Tastykakes. If I were still in a town that sold them I'd do it myself, but I had to catch the plane to go home today.

  • Jan. 1, 2012, 11:45 p.m. CST

    Dear M&G

    by veteran_of_mu

    All is forgiven. Inspiring. Fucking brilliant. Game changing. Best piece of TV I've ever seen.

  • Jan. 1, 2012, 11:51 p.m. CST


    by gotilk

    I'm so happy you enjoyed it. I'm still reeling over it. Pretty stunning and a leap far ahead of the first series. There's just so much to take in I can see myself watching it a few more times this week.

  • Jan. 1, 2012, 11:53 p.m. CST


    by gotilk

    You made butterscotch krimpets sound like the best thing ever. When you say creme filled, do you mean sort of the the filling in a twinkie? Or is it more like frosting but inside? I must know !

  • Jan. 2, 2012, 12:21 a.m. CST


    by veteran_of_mu

    MOV was right about Pulver. Now let's have her play Romana and Mary Tamm will be in the shade.

  • Jan. 2, 2012, 12:28 a.m. CST


    by veteran_of_mu

    I saw the reason for the 6 digits in a flash but not the 4. The 7 was a cheat I think because (w/out rewatching) I dont think we heard what Sherlock heard Mycroft say about it except in flashback after - ? New text notification tone on my phone!

  • Jan. 2, 2012, 12:31 a.m. CST

    Btw she effectively begged him for mercy …

    by veteran_of_mu


  • Jan. 2, 2012, 12:42 a.m. CST

    Sherlock....WOW! and also...

    by Kevin Bolinger

    Welcome back SWJ my have been missed! Now, as to Sherlock, I was so mesmerized by what I saw. The characters, perfect, the humor, perfect, the story, SMEGGING BRILLIANT! This proves that The Moff is really one of the best writters on television today!

  • Jan. 2, 2012, 12:58 a.m. CST


    by gotilk

    Don't make us beg for mercy twice. More videos!!

  • Jan. 2, 2012, 1:03 a.m. CST


    by Kevin Bolinger

    Well I did just post a review of Neca Robocop on youtube yesterday, and today I finished off a small script for a quick skit for The Breaux Show. Mike put the show on hiatus till Feb, but he still wants to do quick skits, or toy reviews till then. I sent him the script, just waiting for the go ahead to film and edit my bits lol

  • Jan. 2, 2012, 2:25 a.m. CST

    Did anyone else catch the Doctor Who reference in Sherlock?

    by vroom socko

    Right at the end. Think Patrick Troughton. (I dare not spoil things by saying any more than that.)

  • Jan. 2, 2012, 4:35 a.m. CST

    **SPOILERS** For a show about the greatest detective ever..

    by supertoyslast

    ..the one thing missing was an actual *mystery* for the story to revolve around. There was nothing there for the audience to try and work out, apart from the car backfiring and the phone code (both of which I enjoyed). I'm not clear why Moriarty let Holmes live (to decode the email that would save the world?). I enjoyed the analysis of how the viewer/reader sees Sherlock. But Adler should definitely have remained dead. Unless the ending was a fantasy sequence? (And how on earth did Sherlock mis-identify the body? Was he lying? Or just fooled by someone with the same measurements?) I did enjoy it and the show is fuelled by great performances. I just don't consider it to be perfect and/or one of the greatest TV shows ever made.

  • Jan. 2, 2012, 5:07 a.m. CST

    Nero Wolfe says...

    by HornOrSilk

    Of course Irene Adler survived.

  • Jan. 2, 2012, 5:09 a.m. CST

    The Mystery

    by HornOrSilk

    Because it seems Moriarty is still connected to everything, I wouldn't be surprised a part of the mystery remains. Who, exactly, was the woman Irene was with? What was the point of it? In the original we know, in this we don't. Maybe won't be answered, maybe will.

  • Jan. 2, 2012, 6:57 a.m. CST


    by sam jacksons wig

    ...great to be back and thank you!!!! Now, what did I miss??? :)) Busy busy busy time lately, but should be back on track after the last 6 weeks or so!!!

  • Jan. 2, 2012, 6:59 a.m. CST

    Oh and Darthdevious........

    by sam jacksons wig

    ....I'm certtainly up for a jelly baby/tastycakes exchange. Let me know if you're interested and I will somehow let you know my details.

  • Jan. 2, 2012, 7:02 a.m. CST


    by sam jacksons wig

    ...they sound like a piece of fucking heaven!!!! I need to taste such earthly delights before my return to the gym after the seasons festivities (and an increase in weight of 8lbs....) We could create our own exchange rate : 6 jelly babies to one tastycake.

  • ........ deerstalker. :)) :)) :))

  • Jan. 2, 2012, 7:06 a.m. CST


    by sam jacksons wig

    ...there are many elements that we have yet to tackle regarding Sherlock. Like last series/season, alot of things will no doubt interweave and bring it all back to the Moriarty character. And hello!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Missed our dialogue!!

  • Jan. 2, 2012, 7:09 a.m. CST

    And as for Moriarty's lack of presence????

    by sam jacksons wig

    HE IS NEVER AWAY even when he is away!! His stench infects anything and everything. Seeing too much of him too early would, IMHO dilute the impact of him being the power behind all thrones, the master manipulator, and would take the shine from the inevitable meeting in Reichenbach.... ...which I am chewing through my walls I am soooooooo fucking desperate to see.

  • Jan. 2, 2012, 7:12 a.m. CST


    by sam jacksons wig

    ......I am watching it again now. Tthe Bilbo/Smaug dynamic has just gotten FAR more interesting!!!

  • Jan. 2, 2012, 7:12 a.m. CST


    by HornOrSilk

    Right, I expect (hope) elements come together -- I was responding to those who said there was no mystery in this episode (of course there was). I did like all the parody names of classical cases (Geek Interpreter indeed). I'm glad you are able to get some time to come back. Right now, I'm on to the 3rd week with some sort of cold. The first week seemed like it was getting better, then it came back with a vengeance, giving me bad coughing fits. The medicine I am taking for it is draining me and I'm not thinking as straight as normal. So just in a mopey state (not doing much, can't do much). It's why I've not talked much over the weekend on here.. But I did want to answer a couple things I saw on this thread. Especially had to make the Nero Wolfe reference.

  • Jan. 2, 2012, 7:12 a.m. CST

    Merrick- glad you liked!!!!!! Happy New Year!!!!

    by sam jacksons wig

  • Jan. 2, 2012, 7:20 a.m. CST


    by sam jacksons wig

    Archie Goodwin would be proud, sir!!!!!! :)) There is a specifically harsh strain of flu doing the rounds now that lingers and lingers and lingers. Plenty of rest, fluids and quality television is my prescription for you, my friend!!! Stay healthy!!!!

  • Jan. 2, 2012, 7:21 a.m. CST

    Just had a look (quickly) at Hercs thread....

    by sam jacksons wig

    ..... and reminded myself why I stay away from such things.

  • Jan. 2, 2012, 9:12 a.m. CST

    A nice link to a Moff/Smith q&a.......

    by sam jacksons wig

    ...apologies if this has been linked before. Enjoy. SJW.

  • Jan. 2, 2012, 9:13 a.m. CST

    Hope for those who are currently missing SHERLOCK Series 2...

    by Merrick

    I noticed this morning that Amazon UK has Series 2 listed as being released on Blu-ray on January 23 - a few weeks from now. Interestingly, Amazon UK is listing the title as REGION FREE - which means these UK Blus should, in theory, be able to play on systems across the world. Which is far better than waiting until PBS broadcasts it here in the States this Summer. ie=UTF8&qid=1325516798&sr=8-5 Amazon UK *does* deliver to U.S. addresses, and globally, so...

  • Jan. 2, 2012, 9:17 a.m. CST


    by veteran_of_mu

    Not would. Did. That could be resolved by revealing him a sock puppet - perhaps at the Fall. Unless there's a Silence there …

  • Jan. 2, 2012, 9:44 a.m. CST

    Merrick, the blu ray

    by Greg

    of Sherlock Series 1, didn't that come up relatively quickly in the US shortly after the show aired in the UK? I remember watching it then a couple of months later seeing that it was on PBS. Maybe it was 2 months later or something. Regardless, if its relatively inexpensive to import and no US release date for Series 2 is announced by then, I might go ahead and import it. I've had good luck with Amazon UK in the past with CDs and BSG 4.0 on blu.

  • Jan. 2, 2012, 10:10 a.m. CST

    A sad confession - SHERLOCK

    by Perigee

    As usual, I'm always a step behind the curve around here; and here's another one I haven't admitted to until now. Never saw SHERLOCK. Until last night. Goddamn, how Absolutely Brilliant. I now may have to build a proper shrine somewhere in the place to Moff as the house god, and I'm even going to forget Gatis had that stupid dolly episode of DW. I hereby raise him to 'Doctor Watson' status, pending additional reappraisal when I hit one of his penned episodes. I'm pulling for him to gain another mental promotion - really, really impressed. I'm so glad I never saw it earlier!!!! Heh. Because, now, I have something to slowly parcel out to myself during The Void. I figure as long as I'm not piggy, I can get through to June with a morsel a month. Fortunately I opted for S01E01 instead of stepping on the live broadcast. All the usual stuff I have conspicuously not commented on - wonderful casting, Cumberbatch as The Doctor, WTF with 3 per year, etcetera - now in full force.

  • Jan. 2, 2012, 10:13 a.m. CST

    Merrick - Sold American!

    by Perigee

    Time to step up and pay the piper; today I'll dig up the Season One discs and express appreciation the way companies can understand. Then chuck the pre-order in. Can you use your yankee login over there, or do you need to start a new account?

  • Jan. 2, 2012, 10:42 a.m. CST

    Sherlock blus - caveat emptor

    by Jules

    Even though the blus may be region free, I've read that with most, if not all, BBC blus you need to have a set-up that can handle 50 hz.

  • Jan. 2, 2012, 11:57 a.m. CST

    perigee re: Amazon UK login

    by Merrick

    My Yankee login has served me well. Looks like all Amazon U.S. account info (address and card details) is ported over already.

  • Jan. 2, 2012, 12:04 p.m. CST

    23rd Jan release date is also on

    by sam jacksons wig, FASSSSSSSSSST!!!!!!!

  • Jan. 2, 2012, 12:06 p.m. CST

    Amazon login from UK to US doesn't work....

    by sam jacksons wig I have to have 2 separate log ins. Oh you lucky Americans, you!!! :))

  • Jan. 2, 2012, 12:13 p.m. CST


    by sam jacksons wig

    .... it dont matter when you watched it my friend- at least now you are delving into the goodness. Season 1's 3 episodes are excellent (especially the first and third) with a fantastic cliffhanger that leads directly into season 2 (which gives you the payoff). Season 2 opener, however, outdoes all of the other 3 and is quite literally some of the best TV I have ever watched. It is just amazing stuff!!!! Should you require a little retro-type Sherlock, then you could do alot worse than Jeremy Bretts incarnation of the detective. Very dry humour, he encapsulated the part before his untimely death from pneumonia.

  • Jan. 2, 2012, 12:40 p.m. CST


    by gotilk

    Thanks for the tip! Will order those based upon only the first episode/film of this series. This blu-ray obsession of mine will be the death of me. I already have 16 titles and it's only been a week.

  • Jan. 2, 2012, 2:26 p.m. CST

    gotilk - you're in the U.S., yeah?

    by Merrick

  • Jan. 2, 2012, 3:11 p.m. CST

    Merrick yes, I am.

    by gotilk

    I hope the blu will play on my el cheapo blu ray player.

  • Jan. 2, 2012, 3:14 p.m. CST

    ahh... Looks like it will not play on my player.

    by gotilk

    It does seem like something that could be fixed with firmware. Hmm.

  • Jan. 2, 2012, 6:36 p.m. CST

    Welcome back, SJW!!! - And I was sooo Sherlocked (as were we all)!

    by wtriker1701

    Yes, that was a great season 2 opener! The ending made my eyes actually get moisty... Lara Pulver is - just WOW! Actually about the beginning...: I gues, it would have been as great as a cliffhanger to let the whole Moriarty scene unfold to its end with his cell phone call - obviously it was filmed back then... or did they really have so careful prop and cont masters waiting for a year to redress everything perfectly... ? Erhhhh - no, I guess. Don't get me wrong, it was a nail biting cliffhanger back then - I just think it would have been as great with this little 60 seconds of footage more... Anyway: It was a great way start a New Year of Moffat Greatness. So we can be assured, he writes as well for adults as for children. Great enough for me to hang on this guy, pray at the en of SHERLOCK season 2 that another year passes fast... and counting the days until fall gets us Doctor Who back for New Adventures. Did I mention, I'm ready for Lara to be the future Mrs. Riker...? (Well, this does not need to be a future far, far away....) Aw, crap... already married... and present Mrs. Riker enters the room and... NO, TAKE THAT KNIFE DOWN!!! . . . . . . . . . . Well, I'll be back soon... just shortly down to the clinic... and then looking for a fine mental health institute for past Mrs. Riker... Lara, I'll be free soon! Got my number?

  • Jan. 2, 2012, 6:40 p.m. CST

    Oh, and you HAVE to hate Gatiss!

    by wtriker1701

    He's just perfect as Mycroft! The casting of this whole series is perfect!

  • Jan. 2, 2012, 8:57 p.m. CST

    We need a Moffat Preservation System.

    by Perigee

    It has now become apparent to me that we're going to have to find some way of putting The Moff in some kind of creative stasis; I officially can not bear to go back to a Moffat-less world, so we're going to have to reactivate Portmeirion. (Moff reboots "The Prisoner" Squeeeeee!!!) I'm going to need some sleeping gas, a couple of goons in an old hearse, and a weather balloon. By all means do not let him NEAR America. Draw a big fuzzy beard and a turban on a picture of him, and get him on the no-fly list. We must not be allowed to corrupt him. Put a cot in the Tower of London - stow him up next to the jewels.

  • Jan. 2, 2012, 9:54 p.m. CST

    Merrick - UK Blu Ray

    by DoctorTom

    according to the UK website, the Sherlock Blu Ray won't work in at least some American players - they had this note: Please note that this product will not play on US spec 60i Blu-ray players as the Blu-ray discs are authored to UK 50i specs. If you're in the US, your US login should work for the UK site. I just went there to buy Misfits series 3 to watch on my NTSC/PAL DVD player, and got in fine. When it asked me where to ship to it showed me all the addresses I had saved on the American site. I don't even see a listing on the American site for Season/Series 2 yet. I might end up getting the British version and passing that to someone else when the American version comes out later.

  • Gatiss has done well in the new episode of Sherlock, and I did immensely enjoy Steven Fry as Mycroft in the latest movie.

  • A very strong start, and a wonderful script from Moffat. I'm hoping the rest of the season stays as strong as this. I also really enjoyed the quick mentions of other cases that they had going on. The Geek Interpreter, indeed - I actually wish they could have followed up on that one a bit more. Part of me really likes that they're showing the 3 stories one week after another, but I also wonder if they might have considered doing the season as if they were specials, like they did with the last Tennant Specials. You could have had one at New Years, one at Easter and one at some other time. There would be anticipation of the specials (and, let's face it, doing Irene Adler, the Hound of the Baskervilles and Reichenback Falls would have been the best 3 to have done as their own specials) and spaced it a little more. The third option might have been to compress it even more - show the first episode Christmas, show the second Boxing Day (do they do much for TV specials then?) and the third episode New Years Day.

  • Assuming you couldn't get Freeman and Cummerbatch in time for a 3rd season (or maybe only for a quick cameo), maybe Moffat could consider doing a one season spinoff focusing on Moriarty. There are many authors who have done Moriarty books that could be used as a basis (given suitable licensing of the books). Many of these picked up after the Reichenbach Falls, so would work well any time after this series (assuming we don't see Moriarty actually die this season). Of course, if our regulars are available, I would prefer to get a normal season of Sherlock. We wouldn't be able to get both, since I'm suspecting that Moffat will be extending himself a lot just to accomplish what he has with the season we're watching now, and the shooting for the next season of Doctor Who. We do want to prevent him from burning out.

  • Jan. 2, 2012, 10:17 p.m. CST

    Mycroft's Line (*SPOILERS*)

    by veteran_of_mu

    ~Bond Air is go, that's decided, check with the Coventry lot~ is delivered by Mycroft in Sherlock's flat while Watson is deducing that Adler has been at Sherlock's phone. So that's fair. If my big brother was Mycroft I'd file away everything I overheard him say too.

  • Jan. 2, 2012, 10:31 p.m. CST


    by gotilk

    Is that Misfits on Blu?? Gotta have them all. It's a guilty pleasure of sorts. I even like the new guy.

  • Jan. 2, 2012, 10:33 p.m. CST

    Sherlock Holmes and The Case of the Missing Probation Workers

    by gotilk

    Misfits joke.

  • Jan. 3, 2012, 12:14 a.m. CST


    by Terry

    Hey my friend, If your pc has a bluray player, I can help you get around any region coding. Let me know. Hope all is well your way. I've picked up a nasty bug and on top of that, took a tumble off a ladder on Sunday. I don't bounce anywhere near as well as I did 20 years ago....

  • Jan. 3, 2012, 12:42 a.m. CST


    by gotilk

    Sadly, no Blu on any of my PCs. Perhaps soon. Get well soon. Were you seen after you fell? Gotta be careful if you hit your head at all.

  • Jan. 3, 2012, 1:47 a.m. CST

    wtriker- I know a few blood donors............

    by sam jacksons wig

    ..... and a couple of people pretty handy at stitching up knife wounds, so you're okay. well.... ish. Because they don't live in Germany. So it's really not that much use....... so scratch all of that. Feels definately good to be back here- just had lots to do over the silly season which ate my time away. Docback was one of many casualties along with my marriage!!!! Still, over with now and back to a semblance of normality. Trust you are well!!!! And for Mrs Riker, I know a couple of good defence lawyers.... :))

  • Jan. 3, 2012, 1:49 a.m. CST

    I found the Mycroft character alot more sinister in this one....

    by sam jacksons wig

    ...which is something Gatiss plays to absolute perfection (see his previous work in League of Gentlemen for reference). I love the turn of the character.

  • Jan. 3, 2012, 1:52 a.m. CST

    Agree that Moff needs to stay the hell away from the US.....

    by sam jacksons wig

    ...television. No good can come of it. Unless he can infect US TV with good old British sensibilities!!!!!

  • Jan. 3, 2012, 5:15 a.m. CST

    SJW - defense lawyers...

    by wtriker1701

    Let me guess: They don't live in Germany, either, do they? (Well, at least, I hope you thought, they were meant for me and not for her... ;-) ) Well, like doctom said before, both Mycroft Versions (Gatiss on TV - Fry on the Big Screen) are protrayed perfectly, within the boundaries of their respective Sherlock versions. It's working surprisingly well to have two Sherlocks at the same time - and enjoying the hell out of them. SPOILERISH FOR THOSE NOT HAVING SEEN IT, YET (Sorry, didn't catch that before...): For Moff's Sherlock: They seemed to make Freeman deliberately appear smaller on screen while at The Buckingham Palace... a hint at his Bilbo appearance ont he Big Screen? Just came to my mind when I saw it...

  • The Doctor Who Married His Daughter... also: The Doctor Who Married His Former Self's Daughter... wow... Similar to The Doctor Who Married His Companions' Daughter... How Sweet! Now that Tennant (McDonald) is into Davison's (Moffett's) family... How about a 50's special with a Big Family Reunion? Doctor 11 (with his wife), Doctor 10 (with his/their daughter), together with Doctor 5 meet... and IN COMES THE VALEYARD, who introduces His Wife (which could be possibly Idris/Sexy?)... and Doctor 11 needs to get HIS Idris back... Ahhh, the possibilities of such a script... ...ok, away with amateurish thoughts... ...but, sweet! Works for me - at least for a moment... but then again, I had major blood loss due to my present/past wife... ;-)

  • Jan. 3, 2012, 10:07 a.m. CST

    gotilk - Misfits

    by DoctorTom

    I was only ordering the regular DVD of series 3 to watch on my NTSC/PAL DVD player. Interestingly, the regular British DVD was released on December 26, but the Blu Ray of the 3rd series won't be available until January 12.

  • Jan. 3, 2012, 10:11 a.m. CST

    Sam - Moff is fine where he's at.

    by DoctorTom

    I agree that he should stay away from US television. I don't know how much influence Starz had over what we eventually got as Torchwood, but I wouldn't want to put Moffat through that experience. That said, I don't know if Camelot was something that Chibnell just cobbled together in England and said to Starz *here you go, have this*. I suspect the only mandate from Starz is to give us some skin and some sex scenes every now and then (so we definitely wouldn't need Doctor Who ending up on Starz....)

  • Jan. 3, 2012, 10:13 a.m. CST

    Re: Tennant and Georgia Moffet wedding

    by DoctorTom

    yes, definitely congratulations. I hadn't realized that she has a 9 year old kid now. Then again, it's been 4 years since she was on Who, so I'm probably just picturing Georgia from The Doctor's Daughter and thinking that she's way too young to have a kid that old.

  • Jan. 3, 2012, 10:19 a.m. CST


    by gotilk

    Thanks for the info re: Misfits Blu. MUST have that. If for no other reason than to loan it out to friends/family. No-one appears to know about that gem of a show here.

  • Jan. 3, 2012, 10:38 a.m. CST

    Gotilk, I know the feeling

    by DoctorTom

    I was preaching the goodness of Misfits even before the first 2 seasons hit Hulu. I've bought the British DVDs since they don't look like they're going to be released in the US, and buying the DVDs will help support getting more episodes made (as well as letting me have all the episodes :) )

  • i think i fell a bit inlove with her.

  • Jan. 3, 2012, 12:21 p.m. CST


    by gotilk

    She's a little (little? ROFLMAO!!! more like a LOT) young for me, but she is undeniably adorable. That's the term we closeted leering dirty old men use to say *hot* so that we're not exposed. lol Oops. Well, at least she appears to be of legal age. I still feel like a creep though. Not that I didn't before.

  • Jan. 3, 2012, 12:22 p.m. CST


    by gotilk

    What has been the general response you've heard from people you've shown it to? I usually describe it as an R-rated HEROES done right, with a punk rock streak.

  • Jan. 3, 2012, 12:23 p.m. CST

    doctortom - and by *punk rock* I mean

    by gotilk

  • Jan. 3, 2012, 12:23 p.m. CST


    by gotilk

    aesthetically ( sorry hit the enter button on accident)

  • Jan. 3, 2012, 12:51 p.m. CST


    by DoctorTom

    okay response - got my brother watching some and a friend who's been watching some of the episodes on hulu. I've mentioned them being on Hulu to some other people but I don't know if they've gone there. I don't call it Heroes done right so much as the best superhero tv series ever made. Then I tell them it's a bunch of juvenile delinquent types getting powers. There's definitely some of the punk rock aesthetic to it. When mentioning the show, I've also mentioned that the showrunner for it is the same person who was/is showrunner for the Dirk Gently tv show (I thought I heard that the pilot got picked up after it was shown so that we might get new episodes - I really hope that's correct.)

  • Jan. 3, 2012, 5:59 p.m. CST

    WOW what a day I'm having.

    by gotilk

    ISP customer service isn't what it used to be. My 6Mb(down)/.7Mb(up) dsl is consistantly (for a week) rating at 1.5Mb(down)/.5Mb(up) and the story as to why changes depending on the person I get on the phone. Since technical things tend to NOT be a matter of *opinion* I have to assume that someone is fibbing or has no idea what they're talking about. One guy told me it was my internal wiring, one told me it was an external problem and fixed it (for about 2 days before it went right back), so this hokum about it being my wiring must be a load of horse excrement. Either that or ... *MAGIC* (which, while tremendously entertaining to me, is an illusion). Yet through all this they are insisting that I *PAY* for a 6Mb connection rather than the much cheaper 1.5Mb connection. My ISP is another one sucked up by a huge corporation, so this is not entirely surprising from a pure greed standpoint. Anyone who says corporations are not responsible for institutionalized greed is fooling AND cheating themselves. But here I am, sticking with them. Not because I don't hate them, but because I have something very valuable that I refuse to give up for free since I know they would never, ever do the same for me. My IP range. Still unresolved. And at the same time they refuse to enable DHCP at the router level (and will not give me access to do it myself). My suspicion is that they want my static 8-address IP range, without having to compensate me for it. See, those old 6 to 9 number IP addresses are harder and harder to come by these days and are in high demand/value. I got them in 2005, back when it was not as much of a concern. And I have since learned of their quite high value. Since WE are under contract, they can't take them away from me willy-nilly. They would have to pay me to do so. They will not allow me to switch my account over to DHCP (dynamically allocated, random IP addresses) without losing my static IP range, when it is simply a matter of checking a box on their end and clicking *save*. Since I refuse to cave, unfortunately hooking things like blu-ray players, ROKU boxes, Zunes, (and guests to my home without me configuring their connection manually)) etc into the internet on my network is impossible. However, I can enable DHCP on my wireless router to hand out temporary addresses to those devices. The problem is, the re-set button on my wireless router is blocked by a physical BASE that refuses to come back off. GAH!!! The base itself covers the re-set button. I have spent at the very least 5 hours on the phone with both the router manufacturer and the ISP. During the very end of a call with my ISP, during which they were re-testing my connection to troubleshoot it, the entire power in my town went out for an hour. DOUBLE and TRIPLE GAHHHHHHHHHH!!!! Why me? And during all of this, we had company. A LOT OF IT. Once power was restored, I had to get off the phone with the router manufacturer because the room was full of 8 people all talking at once, all knowing I was dealing with this issue. So I spend day and night caring for a woman they claim to care for and love, because they all refuse to do so with THEIR spare time... but they can't quiet down for a while, while I'm on the phone. Then I come into THIS room for some quiet time, just to get away from it all and take a deep breath...... I post a long, wonderfully written love-letter-review of the latest Sherlock.... and the power goes out AGAIN and I lose the whole post. I wouldn't even be sharing this if it wasn't so COMPLETELY comedic at this point. My frustration alone would be comic gold. It is a kind of catharsis, I guess. If I can come up with the energy to risk typing it up again, I will do so. If not, please know..... I ADORE the new series of Sherlock so far and cannot wait to see the other 2. I hope your day is better than mine. Be wonderful bright spots in this vast universe. I hope nothing like this ever happens to you.

  • Jan. 3, 2012, 8 p.m. CST

    Sorry to hear about the problems, Gotilk

    by DoctorTom

    And, for the future, if you run into the problems again with having everybody there talking when you're trying to talk on the phone to tech service? Tell the tech service person to excuse you for a moment, cover the receiver to help the tech service person out for what you're about to do, pull out an air horn and set it off, then when everyone else looks at you, calmly say *excuse me, I'm trying to deal with a computer tech service issue and really need to hear what the tech service rep is saying.* You should only need to do it once.

  • Jan. 3, 2012, 10:02 p.m. CST


    by veteran_of_mu

    I recall a wonderful old John Wyndham story about a genius locked in an asylum because he's convinced there's a conspiracy among inanimate objects attempting to kill him. Of course his Doctor laughs it off until it becomes clear that, having learned of the conspiracy, he's also become a target. I thought the whole thing was just a cute yarn until the night that my apartment tried to kill me … I have since learned it is safest to assume there is such a conspiracy, and act accordingly …

  • Jan. 3, 2012, 10:16 p.m. CST

    doctortom: good advice. also caractacuspotts:

    by gotilk

    That made me laugh, would love to read that. Problem solved, by the way. I figured out a way into the wireless router, set up a single ip address to assign the router itself, then told it to hand out addresses automagically upon request... with my password protection in place. Now the Roku, the Zune and right before they left... my visitor's netbook... all working perfectly. Better late than never I guess. Next step, switching to streaming netflix and amazon prime.

  • Jan. 3, 2012, 10:18 p.m. CST

    By the way, *I* am now officially a cord-cutter.

    by gotilk

    My dad is keeping his DirecTV (which I can watch sometimes), but mine is gone. I got fed up. If I need to watch something on HBO or STARZ, I can watch his now and DVR it.

  • ...... as a) the service from my provider has been and is exemplary, and b) one of my very very good friends actually works wih the blasted things for a living (started off as a hobby which grew inrto a business) and there is nothing like just dumping your laptop/hardrive/base unit et.c with him for a day so he can overhaul the thing. Gotilk, I wouldn't trade places with you for all the tea in China!! Glad it's all sorted out now!! Maybe you can hirer Wtrikers wife to stab them to buggery!!!

  • Jan. 4, 2012, 1:53 a.m. CST

    Oh and by the way........

    by sam jacksons wig

    ...apparently Who was the second most watched programme over the Xmas period on BBC 1. (8.3m) Only East(fucking)Enders beat it (9.9m) That can't be a bad thing going into FUCKING OCTOBER!!!!!!!!! MILES AWAY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Bah!!!!!!!

  • Jan. 4, 2012, 1:55 a.m. CST

    And more by the way........

    by sam jacksons wig is being reported (not actual fact at this time) that the BEEB are trying to lure one Tom Baker back for the 50th. I don't give a shit if he's 77, that will be like every fucking Christmas come at once to see my 2 fave Docs on the screen together!!!! Smith & Baker!!!! Now get Eccleson and McGann and I will swoon with delight!!!!

  • Jan. 4, 2012, 9:27 a.m. CST

    I'd be up for that, Sam!

    by DoctorTom

    I agree, it doesn't matter that he's much older now, getting Tom Baker back on the show for the anniversary would be fantastic! I also suspect that with the fun he's been having doing the BBC audios and now Big Finish, he's probably in the best mood since leaving the role for purposes of getting him back on the screen. Heck, if he says that he'll come back but not as the Doctor, have him back to play the Master for a story, that would be fun!

  • Jan. 4, 2012, 9:41 a.m. CST

    My Mom Liked Scandal, Too

    by HornOrSilk

    I've made my mother a Doctor Who fan and a Sherlock fan, too. She only became a Doctor Who fan with the new series, and though she watched the Brett Holmes with my father, I think she is enjoying the modern ones more. This is what makes the Moff a class all his own. Though RTD helped with Doctor Who, the Moff is able to make popular geek favorites and make them universal beyond us geeks!

  • Jan. 4, 2012, 9:43 a.m. CST

    The Old Doctors

    by HornOrSilk

    That is what I would use as a title for the 50th Anniversary Story. And I would have it a story in which Doctors from different universes, Doctors who didn't regenerate, all interact. So these are all what would have happened to the different Doctors if they didn't regenerate, and how they would have become if they lived a long time as their respective Doctors... And "Doctor Who?" would be answered in this episode because of this...

  • Jan. 4, 2012, 9:49 a.m. CST

    Brett's Holmes is still my favorite

    by HornOrSilk

    I think he is the best Holmes, and will be impossible to beat him. When I first heard of Sherlock, I wasn't really looking forward to it. Really. I love the Brett Holmes and didn't see the need for something new. I thought Holmes had been done to death and so needed time off. I was wrong. Of course, I still think Brett is the best. And I really like Basil Rathbone and Peter Cushing as Holmes. But I think, so far, this beats the Basil Rathbone Holmes. The only thing we need is the pipe and more of Hatman and Watson.

  • Jan. 4, 2012, 10:12 a.m. CST

    Good idea, SJW! Gotilk, I'll gladly send you my wife!

    by wtriker1701

    She could sort/stab it out with your ISP. That'd take her out of here for a few days... and possibly behind bars for a few years... Mucho time with Ms. Pulver... hehehe... All in for Smith & Baker, that'd be lovely!

  • Jan. 4, 2012, 10:43 a.m. CST

    Horn- ooooooh now we're getting into murky waters......

    by sam jacksons wig

    ...the quintessential Holmes for me will always be Rathbone. I grew up on a steady diet of Saturday morning matinees and late night viewings on my black & white portable TV as a kid, and was thrilled and awed by what I was seeing. Nigel Bruce as the bumbling Watson fitted right in at the time- you needed that sort of foil for Rathbone to work his big brain, and Watson, although childlike, was brave and selfless. I adored Jeremy Brett- his take for a more modern audience was so pitch perfect it was scary, but he lacked the warmth and all-round charisma of Rathbone, who, let's face it mainly played the villain, so this was refreshing to see. (Guy of Gisbourne in Flynns "Hood" is one of my all time favourite movie baddies!!) I have the entire Brett collection, as well as the entire Rathbone collection, and enjoy them immensley. I however have to be in a certain frame of mind to watch Brett, whereas Rathbone I can bang on anytime!!!!!

  • Jan. 4, 2012, 10:46 a.m. CST

    Doctom- wouldn't it be a coup??????!!!!!!!!!......

    by sam jacksons wig

    ...I swear that if this happens I will squeal in delight like a five year old girl!!! Just the chance to see him play the role again would be a privilege!!! As the MASTER??? Casting perfection!!!!!!

  • Jan. 4, 2012, 11:37 a.m. CST

    Baker coming back

    by glenn_the_frog

    He's said he couldn't come back to do the part seriously, but he'd be willing to do a sort of thing where the Doctor goes into a backroom of the tardis and the old hims are there andhe says "there's more to me than meets the eye" or something to that effect. (And of course, current era has done that regularly.) So, he's willing to come back for at least a day of filming it sounds like, if not a huge role. Though at this point, sheerly to get people to stop asking if he'll be in the anniversary special might be reason enough. I'm sure he gets asked that question in every interview since skipping out on the Five Doctors.

  • Jan. 4, 2012, 1:28 p.m. CST

    Sam, I watched Rathbone first, too...

    by HornOrSilk

    But the Brett Holmes is the best. In part because Holmes is meant to be a bit of a unlovable wise-ass. And don't get me wrong. I still like Basil. I have all the Rathbone and Brett Holmes on DVD. And many others -- Secret Life of Sherlock Holmes, Murder by Decree, Hands of a Murderer, the Peter Cushing Holmes (all of them), Sherlock Holmes and the Baker Street Irregulars, Young Sherlock Holmes: The Mystery of the Manor House, Young Sherlock Holmes, A Study in Terror, and The Seven Percent Solution. Yes, I love Holmes. But just something about Brett which just got to me. What's amazing is when I see him in other parts, he doesn't fascinate me as much. But as Holmes, it was him.

  • Jan. 4, 2012, 1:28 p.m. CST

    They are giving Tom a Talking Cabbage!

    by HornOrSilk

    I'm sure of it! The Moff has to do that. Only he can pull it off. All Hail the Talking Cabbage!

  • Jan. 4, 2012, 1:30 p.m. CST

    Oh, and speaking of Holmes and the Doctor...

    by HornOrSilk

    So what do people think of Baker's Hound? Here is a clip

  • Jan. 4, 2012, 3:18 p.m. CST

    talking cabbage?

    by glenn_the_frog

    There's clearly an inside joke here I'm missing. Care to share with the rest of the class, Hornor?

  • Jan. 4, 2012, 3:24 p.m. CST

    Thanks to all for the kind words.

    by gotilk

    By the way, the ROKU is working wonderfully and I'm in love with it. Looks wonderful , especially the HD content. I'm hooked. With the Amazon Prime thing, I'll have HD films/TV coming out my eyeballs. Netflix is wonderful on it, no complaints so far. One of the more surprising subscriptions that I spent about 2 hours with this morning is the TED channel. Outstanding if you're into innovations, great speakers, science, technology, medicine, alternative energy, etc. Wonderful.

  • Jan. 4, 2012, 3:35 p.m. CST


    by gotilk

    That clip makes me want to see it all. Baker and Holmes is a perfect match. Looks great!

  • Jan. 4, 2012, 3:35 p.m. CST

    glenn_the_frog well, it is classic Doctor Who

    by HornOrSilk

    Well, it was an example of something that needed to be changed. I've forgotten the details of the character but I do remember being appalled at her aggression, without me having the ammunition to put my side of the argument forward. There was a moral dimension, an ethical dilemma because she killed things. It wasn't just my character, I was furious at the beginning. There was some facetious dialogue about it, some claptrap 'I don't really think you should do that'. The point is that these gentle ironies are quite inappropriate when life and death is at stake. What I tried to give it was outrage and burning indignation -that if it didn't change, if she didn't change, the character would have to go. I don't mean Louise [Jameson], but I would have to threaten Leela with this because I could not coexist with someone whose solution to problems was to kill. So they modified that and Louise was very good and hugely successful. But I was very rattled by it.

  • So, to reinterate: A SCANDAL IN BERGOVIA and Lara Pulver as Irene Adler are awesome. All you guys will fall inlove with Lara Pulver. The girls too! Wow, what an actress! And gorgeaus too! And a great episode as well. The scene where Watson and Sherlock meet at the Buckingham Palace will have laugh in stitchies, it's so utterly funny! They even do a slight nod to the Queen Elizabeth II, beause as it's well known among her subjects, she is quite techno geek. The Queen loves tecnological gadgets and is well versed in the use of computers and internet. She is quite tech savvy since her days in WWII when she served in the armed forces as a engine mechanic. Yeah, the Queen can fix your car. Think about it. She's a cool lady. But really, you guys, if you can, watch the latest SHERLOCK episode, the first of the second series. It's brillant and as good as the series have been so far. Damn god stuff. My only complain is that i wish that Watson kicked a bit more ass, as he would as a ex-soldier. The very first episode showed he could shoot a person from a considerable distance through two windows WITH AN HANDGUN, ONE HANDED! I'd like to see Watson pull more feats like that.

  • total geek cutie adorability. love the accent.

  • Jan. 4, 2012, 3:40 p.m. CST

    asimovlives -- as for Watson

    by HornOrSilk

    Well, I think they did a good job in the first season showing how he was affected by the war. This means he won't "kick ass" in general, but I think we can expect him to act on reflex from time to time. He is trying to get beyond soldiering but it can't entirely get out of him.

  • You need a good script

  • Jan. 4, 2012, 3:59 p.m. CST

    hornorsilk, you said it.

    by AsimovLives

    SHERLOCK is a text book example on how to update a modernize a classic without fucking it up.

  • Jan. 4, 2012, 4:03 p.m. CST

    asimovlives I noticed your post.

    by gotilk

    And thought it was spot-on. The episode was far above anything I've seen on TV in years. And Lara Pulver is a discovery, a revelation, a real gem. Great to see your here, by the way!

  • Jan. 4, 2012, 4:14 p.m. CST

    gotilk she was discovered before..

    by HornOrSilk

    Robin Hood, Spooks, True Blood..

  • Jan. 4, 2012, 4:36 p.m. CST


    by gotilk

    I meant discovery performance-wise, but I still had NO idea she was in Robin Hood or Spooks. I noticed her in True Blood though. Is Spooks worth seeking out? Thanks!

  • Jan. 4, 2012, 5:04 p.m. CST

    and by the way, wtriker1701, thanks for the wife offer

    by gotilk

    ...but I had one. She stabbed me, and no I'm not kidding. It wasn't much of a wound, but it did happen. Just a scratch, in fact, but it was memorable. So for now I must decline as I have been *down that road already* as they say. I'm looking for someone with 2 legs (optional) and a sincerely sweet disposition (not optional).

  • Jan. 4, 2012, 5:12 p.m. CST

    gotilk well

    by HornOrSilk

    I've never seen Spooks. But the point was that she was known from many such programs, so it can' be a discovery in the full sense.

  • Jan. 4, 2012, 5:58 p.m. CST


    by gotilk

    You, sir, are absolutely right. :) I am going to go back and watch again this evening. What a performance.

  • But I am just starting it and already I'm sucked right into its unique universe. REALLY enjoying it.

  • Jan. 4, 2012, 6:05 p.m. CST

    Something that shocked me last week...

    by gotilk

    Barnes And Noble had an entire, huge display shelf dedicated NOT to Doctor Who DVD's/Blu-Rays... no... But an entire shelf dedicated ONLY to classic Who DVDs. It was heartwarming. Then a top shelf display of modern Who across from it. I refrained from any impulse buys both out of loyalty to DocBack (for the affiliate help) AND because the Amazon prices are simply better. But they had a heck of a selection.

  • Jan. 4, 2012, 6:11 p.m. CST

    gotilk nice to hear of the Who support from BN

    by HornOrSilk

    But yeah, their prices are.... horrible. For DVDs and Blu Rays. I've got a few things - on sale- before, but I generally avoid buying from them unless a disc is out of print and they still have it when I come to be interested in it. And they can't beat my DW collection.

  • Jan. 4, 2012, 6:48 p.m. CST

    Holy Crap - This Is Bizarre.

    by Perigee

    Barrowman with a Spider-Man/Wonder Woman medley:

  • Jan. 4, 2012, 8:34 p.m. CST

    Love for The ol' Web Planet

    by Abe

    Thanks for responding. No. No. Your 'tone' is just fine. And just between you and me I most certainly AGREE with most of your points. Who else but a real fan of that particular adventure could possibly bristle at reading "As regrettable as this image seems? It’s far worse in motion." concerning those poor old Zarbi? ...even when it is MOST DEFINITELY true as all hell? Yes. A fan. I am a goddamned apologist. I will stand here with the straightest of faces and tell you "Yes! Colin Baker was AT LEAST a passable Doctor." There ARE things I don't care for in the series...quite a bit actually over the years...but I just have a big-ol soft spot for this lovably odd, one-off, off-the-rails story. I just saw "The Web Planet" in the header and just HOPED you might dig on it's tasty flavors. When you didn't, I felt compelled to leave that comment. Not because you are wrong (necessarily), but because I believe you have a lot of power. For two reasons..1) AICN is big. Nuff said. 2) There really aren't all that many bigger outlets really even ACKNOWLEDGING 'classic' WHO. I think a ton of people are reading these and wanting to check it out these weird shows you are writing about. I am all for knee-jerk reactions. All for it. But maaaayybe some other opinion on it. Like a seasoned WHOVIAN could just slap on a paragraph or two with some contextual history and/or how THEY feel about how the show has seasoned over repeated viewings. Find an even keeled apologist. Probably know somebody.. Hell, it would be cool if YOU did a yearly piece detailing how your feeling about certain eps has gotten better or worse over time. Just my 2 bits. -abevigoda Sure hope you dig on Troughton tho...DAG!

  • Jan. 4, 2012, 8:37 p.m. CST

    Merrick Response To....

    by Abe

    Thanks for responding. No. No. Your 'tone' is just fine. And just between you and me I most certainly AGREE with most of your points. Who else but a real fan of that particular adventure could possibly bristle at reading "As regrettable as this image seems? It’s far worse in motion." concerning those poor old Zarbi? ...even when it is MOST DEFINITELY true as all hell? Yes. A fan. I am a goddamned apologist. I will stand here with the straightest of faces and tell you "Yes! Colin Baker was AT LEAST a passable Doctor." There ARE things I don't care for in the series...quite a bit actually over the years...but I just have a big-ol soft spot for this lovably odd, one-off, off-the-rails story. I just saw "The Web Planet" in the header and just HOPED you might dig on it's tasty flavors. When you didn't, I felt compelled to leave that comment. Not because you are wrong (necessarily), but because I believe you have a lot of power. For two reasons..1) AICN is big. Nuff said. 2) There really aren't all that many bigger outlets really even ACKNOWLEDGING 'classic' WHO. I think a ton of people are reading these and wanting to check it out these weird shows you are writing about. I am all for knee-jerk reactions. All for it. But maaaayybe some other opinion on it. Like a seasoned WHOVIAN could just slap on a paragraph or two with some contextual history and/or how THEY feel about how the show has seasoned over repeated viewings. Find an even keeled apologist. Probably know somebody.. Hell, it would be cool if YOU did a yearly piece detailing how your feeling about certain eps has gotten better or worse over time. Just my 2 bits. -abevigoda Sure hope you dig on Troughton tho...DAG!

  • Jan. 4, 2012, 9:13 p.m. CST

    Cumberbatch to be in next Trek film...

    by gotilk

    this new article here says. Hope it's wrong and he keeps his schedule open for when our beloved Matt Smith decides he's had enough.

  • Jan. 4, 2012, 9:16 p.m. CST


    by gotilk

    I think he will dig Troughton. I know from what little I've seen, I certainly do enjoy him in the role. He seems to bring a physicality to it that even his younger fellow Doctors to this day have not. And I don't just mean action.... I'm not even sure how to describe it properly. He's just more... physical. Perhaps it is a certain presence.

  • Jan. 4, 2012, 10:19 p.m. CST


    by gotilk

    That is very amusing, that Spiderman bit...

  • Jan. 5, 2012, 12:09 a.m. CST

    Noel Clarke (Mickey) is now also cast in new Trek.

    by gotilk

    He'll be playing Emperor Palpatine in the alt universe when he was a kid, except since the planet Vulcan was exploded he ends up being a good guy and never trains Wesley Crusher to become Darth Surak. AWESOME! (all joking aside, he is a good actor)

  • Jan. 5, 2012, 12:10 a.m. CST

    That last post was for your benefit, Asi.

    by gotilk

    Like a welcome to DocBack message for you.

  • Jan. 5, 2012, 12:32 a.m. CST

    And yes, he really is cast.

    by gotilk

    That wasn't just a joke. By the way, it cannot just be me here. Anyone out there this fine evening? *echo* *echo*

  • Jan. 5, 2012, 2:31 a.m. CST

    Giving up for this evening.

    by gotilk

    Have a fantastic morning you fantastically wonderful DocBackers.

  • Jan. 5, 2012, 8:54 a.m. CST

    Gotilk - I mentioned Ready Player One

    by DoctorTom

    It definitely sucked me in too when I started reading it, and it kept me interested through the book. I also like the author's picture showing him with his DeLorean with the Ecto 88 license plate. I just found out that Entertainment Weekly had it listed as one of their top 10 fiction books of the year. I can't argue with that. At the same time, I can understand what Moriarty is saying, (ex-AICN Moriarty, not Sherlock's Moriarty) when he said that although he liked Ready Player One, he picked The Astounding, the Amazing and the Unknown by Paul Malmont as what he thought was the best novel of the year. A brief one-line description of the novel that is entirely appropriate is *Isaac Asimov and Robert Heinlein fight the Nazi menace*. It mixes fact with fiction, and works in actual events that I recall - the navy having a skunkworks for people trying to come up with new inventions that will help win the war, and Asimov and other SF authors being involved with that. Malmont cobbled the name of the novel together from the titles of major sf magazines of that time. The novel was described as a loose sequel to Malmont's earlier Chinatown Death Cloud Peril, but you don't need to have read that. The only reason some people called it a sequel is that L Ron Hubbard (back when he admitted what he was writing was fiction) is in a good chunk of both novels, and Walter Gibson (creator/author of The Shadow) and Lester Dent (author of Doc Savage) make cameos in the new book. Malmont has a definite soft spot for pulps and science fiction. I wouldn't be aurprised, though, if he eventually does a novel set in the early 60's that uses Verity Lambert and Terry Nation as characters (probably with cameos by Patrick McGoohan and Ian Fleming).

  • Jan. 5, 2012, 8:55 a.m. CST

    Finally got the Brillaint Book of Doctor Who 2012

    by DoctorTom

    It looks like it will be good for a bit of fun.

  • The hell with everyone making the Harry Potter invisibility cloak comparisons - if it's involving cloaking and something called a Time Lens making a hidden gap in time, we know it's Doctor Who related.

  • Jan. 5, 2012, 11:32 a.m. CST


    by gotilk

    Now THAT sounds interesting. Thanks for the tip. I know Cline is done with his *first shot at* the screenplay and I think Warner's is the studio making the film... But MY GAHD how will they film that?? I'm only about 60 pages in and already I would estimate the licensing budget up into the tens of millions. I can't put the thing down. (when I can pick it up... lol)

  • Jan. 5, 2012, 11:42 a.m. CST


    by DoctorTom

    It might not be bad - the thing is to get the people with the licensed products to pay the movie people to feature the products (even if they're older), though that certainly wouldn't work for movie bits (trying to keep it spoiler free, but when you hit certain parts of the book you'll know what the comment means). I can't recall if there have been production people attached to this yet; I didn't see anybody listed on IMDB yet for it. I'd actually like to see the Wachowski brothers (then again, I'd like to see the Wachowski brothers direct a Snow Crash movie).

  • Jan. 5, 2012, 12:14 p.m. CST


    by gotilk

    Wachowski's Snow Crash.... Guhguhguhguhguh (Homer noise)

  • Jan. 5, 2012, 2:21 p.m. CST


    by DoctorTom

    With our luck, we'll end up with David Yates doing it. I'm surprised that he hasn't announced yet that he's going to do a Snow Crash movie right after he does a Doctor Who movie, and that he's going to treat the movie as a complete reboot of the novel, so that he can give the characters a fresh start...

  • Jan. 5, 2012, 2:29 p.m. CST

    Hmmm, speaking of the Wachowski brothers

    by DoctorTom

    did you realize that on Amazon it costs only 69 cents more to buy the Speed Racer movie than it does to rent it on Amazon streaming - and is $1.41 cheaper than buying the download version? Certainly nowhere near the best Wachowski movie, but was certainly faithful to the original source material (and I think a lot of people maligning the movie hadn't seen the original series).

  • Jan. 5, 2012, 3:06 p.m. CST

    Hmmm, now that's an interesting rumor

    by DoctorTom

    apparently there are rumors going around now that Miranda Hart will have some involvement in Doctor Who. Nothing known about whether it would be a one off (like James Corden) or if she might be the companion after the Ponds finally leave. It might actually be interesting to have her as the companion for a bit, though it will probably be more controversial than even Catherine Tate was.

  • Jan. 5, 2012, 3:10 p.m. CST

    Hmmm, Cummerbatch as the Trek baddie...

    by DoctorTom

    I know Herc tried to hint at/wonder if he would be Harry Mudd. I doubt it. Maybe he would end up being Khan, but looking aat the picture of him in a tux that Bleeding Cool ran with the article, I suddenly became struck with the thought that maybe they cast Cummerbatch so that the Trek movie can do a rebooted Squire of Gothos, with Cummerbatch playing Trelane.

  • Jan. 5, 2012, 4:30 p.m. CST

    Seems the rumors about Hart are old

    by HornOrSilk So, maybe she is free to take the part. I think she would have been a certain kidnapper in S6, if she had been in on it. Perhaps she still will be.

  • Jan. 5, 2012, 7:48 p.m. CST


    by Renee Knowles

    Absolutely, Gatiss kind of is Mycroft for me now. I went to see the Downey Jr Sherlock Holmes in the theater a couple weeks ago, and while I love Stephen Fry, he just didn't click for me. There an be no other ;)

  • Jan. 5, 2012, 7:56 p.m. CST


    by Renee Knowles

    Stop it. I've long since come to terms with the fact that I will not see McGann or Eccleston back on Who. I don't want to get my hopes up!

  • Jan. 6, 2012, 9:02 a.m. CST

    horn, that doesn't surprise me

    by DoctorTom

    I don't think it was the Madame Kovarian role, though, given the date of the article and it sounding like a recent development. Kovarian was locked in well before then. I wouldn't be surprised if it had been looking forward for the new companion. The one other possibility I see might have been that they had originally been thinking of her for the role in the Christmas special. I do like how they said that Miranda's show was *nabbed* from BBC Two - is there really that much infighting and backstabbing between the people running the different BBC channels? Maybe the BBC could reduce costs by getting rid of some controllers instead of getting rid of things like Confidential.