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Merrick Says Neil Gaiman's 'The Doctor's Wife' Is Much Better Than That Pirate Episode!! READER REACTION For This Weekend's DOCTOR WHO Here!!





(NOTE: the review below is SPOILER-FREE, although the Talkbacks beneath it may not remain so for long...)


Merrick here...

Before we go any further, if anyone out there has any rare(?) or favorite media from DOCTOR WHO - past or current - images in particular (although my interest is in no way limited to just pictures),  please consider sending 'em along via THIS e-mail address (be sure to specify how you'd like to be credited if I present your contribution on this site).   I'd love to incorporate a bit of odd, interesting DW-related media (pics?  embeds? etc.) at the top of every DW READER REACTION Talkback - but I'm hoping to locate material that isn't commonly known, which by its very nature is a bit of a challenge.  While I'd like to keep said media more or less focused on the actual series whenever possible (all Doctors), this media could feasibly include glimpses at vintage/ongoing/upcoming merchandising, fun pics from fandom, etc.  So, thanks...very advance if you have any ideas/contributions towards such ends.  Now, onto this week's business...


Saturday brings us "The Doctor's Wife," a bizarre, surreal, and ultimately touching episode scripted by the mighty Neil Gaiman.  Originally intended to air towards the end of last Season/Series, "Wife" was bumped to this Season/Series due to budgetary concerns.  It was replaced by "The Lodger,"  a considerably less daunting and costly undertaking (that's the one where The Doctor plays football/soccer).

"The Doctor's Wife" doesn't advance this Season's/Series' overall "Silence Arc" to any significant degree, although there are a few cursory references to that arc's existence - lest viewers drift too far from the bigger picture. 

This said, the episode broadens the overall WHO mythology quite a bit and in several ways -  pointedly and vividly considering one of The Doctor's most pivotal relationships while shedding intriguing new light on a meaningful past event - a decisive instance in The Doctor's life which, arguably, was the most defining moment in the whole of DOCTOR WHO.  'Tis notable that such mythologically relevant conceits would be approached and addressed by someone other than DW's reigning head writer, but...not surprisingly...Gaiman avails himself quite nicely here, deftly tapping into the heart, soul, resonance, and humor which characterizes the best of DW.  For all of its vast notions, the "The Doctor's Wife" is surprisingly small and intimate at its core -  but, conceptually, it still stands high beside the most sprawling, effects-laden mega-pieces DOCTOR WHO has realized to date.

Whether you love it,  hate it, or find yourself impervious to its funky and abundant charm, "The Doctor's Wife" will leave an indelible imprint on the WHOverse - not in terms of Amy or Rory or River or Silence or whatever, but in terms of who The Doctor is and his relationship to what's around him.  These notions will endure far past this episode alone, and glide beneath the surface of every WHO adventure to come.  In short, interesting and poignant new subtext has now been injected into...or at least clarified for...DW.  This subtext is something many of us had suspected for some time, but it's now made crystal clear.  Said subtext retroactively contextualizes past happenings about which we've previously heard only sketchy references - and could feasibly inform the series for years to come.  

Guests this week include CORONATION STREET's Suranne Jones (in a tricky, integral, and wonderfully performed role),  and Michael Sheen (sorta) as "House".  Not "House" from the TV series of the same name, he's a different kind of House...but he isn't a House...although people do....aww, forget it.   Geeks may remember Sheen from his recent turn as Castor the nightclub dude in TRON LEGACY.  Directed by Richard Clark (who preciously brought us the DW episodes "The Lazarus Experiment" and "Gridlock" - the latter of which is one of my personal favorites - can't get enough Brannigan!), "Wife" emerges as a welcomed and significant improvement over last week's sleepy and confused "Curse of the Black Spot."  

Because it does rattle our established thinking and loosely supported preconceptions a bit, my sense is "The Doctor's Wife" might well move into history as a particularly divisive episode.  One could easily, and perhaps even properly, argue that this episode is a bit silly or dorky - and when I step back and consider the matter objectively, I suppose that's a difficult notion to dismiss entirely.  But those who embrace its warmth, poignance, and fanciful obscurity -  as I did - could well themselves remarkably affected by what it has to say about some long-cherished DW conceits, and moved by how such musings are ultimately realized. 

"The Doctor's Wife" premieres the evening of Saturday May 14 at 9/8c on BBC AMERICA here in The States.  Talkbacks dedicated to Readers' Reactions towards the episode are now open for business below. 



We're looking forward to WHOvians near and far conversing about  all things WHO via the Talkback below.  

Accordingly, I'd expect a significant amount of  "Doctor's Wife" SPOILAGE to start rolling in 'round late morning/early afternoon  U.S. time (Saturday May 14) -  which is natural as it will broadcast in the U.K. a number of hours before it appears here in the U.S. on BBC America.  

So, as far as this Talkback goes...

Readers from U.S. and other territories?  If you wanna stay virginal  regarding "Wife" until you've seen it for may wish to tread very carefully herein after mid-morning U.S. time Saturday May 14, as SPOILERS may well be afoot and we won't be doing anything to discourage them after it hits in the U.K.

So there you have it.  Enjoy the show...


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coming next week:

"The Rebel Flesh"



See DOCTOR WHO  Season/Series Six Episode 1  - "The Impossible Astronaut"  - in HD HERE and standard def HERE.  

See "Day of The Moon" - the second installment of the season premiere linked above - in HD HERE and standard def HERE.  

Episode 3 - "The Curse Of The Black Spot" - can be found in HD HERE or standard def HERE.

Episode 4 - "The Doctor's Wife" is available HERE in HD, while standard def is availabe HERE





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  • May 13, 2011, 11:20 a.m. CST

    Can't wait

    by kwisatzhaderach

    Know what the episode revolves around but won't spoil it. Should be a classic!

  • May 13, 2011, 11:20 a.m. CST

    This series badly needs a mind-blowing episode


    Been decent so far but much less than we probably dreamed of ...

  • Amy Pond as Scully in episode 2 was cute, but Amy as Elizabeth Swann in Pirates of the Caribbean was too obvious (and sadly, very English.) The Pirates franchise should be stealing from Doctor Who, rather than Doctor Who stealing from Pirates.

  • May 13, 2011, 11:28 a.m. CST

    First Doctor Dickery

    by ThomasFlynn

    Love classic clips like that -- fun to see how much of a prick the Doctor was in the beginning.

  • May 13, 2011, 11:37 a.m. CST

    I'm sure there will be a swerve...

    by ThomasFlynn

    No showrunner has ever been fully willing to commit to unveiling too much of the Doctor's "Mythos" -- they were going to try it during McCoy's 7th Doctor era, but that got shelved when the series was shut down. But otherwise we always get bits and pieces: passing comments like "I had a family." or "I was a father once" "Such a lonely boy..." But nothing ever concrete. So I can't imagine that we're about to actually meet the Doctor's former shag buddy. Still, Gaiman is god in my book so I trust that we will in fact get something to satisfy...

  • May 13, 2011, 11:39 a.m. CST

    I always though Susan was hot....

    by thecomedian

    And look at how she's dressed in the clip. If you dropped her off in 2011 she'd just look like another cute hipster chick, skinny jeans and all.

  • May 13, 2011, 11:49 a.m. CST

    Looking forward to this SOOOO much...

    by V'Shael

    Neil Gaiman, writing Doctor Who.. It's geekgasm overload. How to describe what this is like? It's like the first time Hershey's put peanut butter and chocolate together, and said "Where the fuck have you two been all our lives?" Between last seasons "fairy tale" and this seasons "ghost train", is there anyone in the world more suited to write an episode? I can't think of one. My prediction... I'll be moved to tears by this episode.

  • May 13, 2011, 11:51 a.m. CST

    Here is my review of the pirate episode....

    by Fart_Master_Flex


  • May 13, 2011, 12:25 p.m. CST

    What clip

    by jbs9200

    Obvious a few of you are talking about a DW #1 clip, but I don't see it. Is the link gone now?

  • May 13, 2011, 12:27 p.m. CST

    Neil Gaiman is a god, so this ep will just be a thing of sheer beauty!!

    by sam jacksons wig

    We are guaranteed quality in the writing, story structure and in the actual implementation. This will be a series high point!!!!

  • Good times!!

  • May 13, 2011, 12:31 p.m. CST


    by Merrick

    The clip's back online now & can be seen above. YouTube crashed for a moment.

  • May 13, 2011, 12:50 p.m. CST

    The first doctor was an ass, yes

    by donkey_lasher

    But after a few adventures, he mellowed. The character hasn't really been copied in any way since, although flubbing your lines isnt very professional these days, mm?

  • May 13, 2011, 12:52 p.m. CST

    ginge_muppet, I'll say this

    by Mister Vertue

    If Neil's episode doesn't blow your mind, then I'd suggest you go and seek out repeats of Crossroads on UK Gold, because Saturday's episode is all you've dreamed of and more.

  • May 13, 2011, 12:53 p.m. CST



    You mentioned an article on the episodes which got you into DW a few weeks ago. I'm really interested in reading it. When are we going to see it, buddy? Throw a dog a bone here.

  • May 13, 2011, 12:54 p.m. CST



  • May 13, 2011, 12:54 p.m. CST

    fart_master_flex, are you a tabloid journalist?

    by Mister Vertue

    I only ask because your 'review' has the depth and insight of such a 'writer'. Keep up the good work!

  • May 13, 2011, 12:56 p.m. CST

    It's really a different medium now, donkey_lasher

    by DoctorTom

    "The character hasn't really been copied in any way since, although flubbing your lines isnt very professional these days, mm? "<br> Flubbing lines still happens all the time now, it just ends up in a file or on a blooper reel. Back with the first Doctor, scenes were filmed in order and were treated as almost-live; you would have to have a pretty severe screw up (swearing, completely knocking all the scenery down or something of that magnitude) for the scene to be reshot. This is why many actors of the era, when they would accidentally mess up and didn't like their performance, would start swearing - so that they would *have* to reshoot.

  • May 13, 2011, 1:04 p.m. CST

    Nothing concrete? The Dr had a granddaughter ffs.

    by KilliK

  • May 13, 2011, 1:09 p.m. CST

    Warren Ellis should be the next one to write a Dr episode

    by KilliK

    Although he has said that he is not a Who fan..but i think Who's pseudoscience suits his style perfectly. and as usual,he can do the whole story exposition through the Tardis telephone.HA.

  • May 13, 2011, 1:19 p.m. CST


    by ThomasFlynn

    Sure, okay...he's got a granddaughter. I've got kids and a wife and a dog. Tell me who I am beyond my screen name? :-) I get what you mean. But other than that, what do we really know of him -- and more importantly, DO We want to know?

  • May 13, 2011, 1:29 p.m. CST

    An Unearthly Child

    by Dreamfasting

    I remember being amazed the first time I saw that episode (after years of watching the show) to discover just how "right" that very first show felt. There's a real timelessness to it. I love that there are still fundemental questions - like how he ended up with a granddaughter or why he left home in the first place to wander the universe in exile that have never really been answered, even after almost 50 years.

  • May 13, 2011, 1:32 p.m. CST

    Alex Garland should write an episode


    He's a pretty good writer and, despite what you may think of the third act of SUNSHINE (and I actually liked it), the guy is able to write interesting science-fiction. It's a shame his HALO script never got turned into a movie, but I reckon a DOCTOR WHO script written by him would yield excellent results.

  • May 13, 2011, 1:36 p.m. CST

    Hate Dr Who, love Neil Gaiman

    by Jaka

    He's seemed quite chuffed about the fact that he wrote an episode, too. Still not enough to make me watch the show. But I do hope its really good.

  • May 13, 2011, 2:22 p.m. CST

    Be Careful Guys, Moffat's Watching

    by FloristGump

    Don't know if news has reached the other side of the Whale Pond, but Moffat dropped a HUGE clanger this week by not only having a pop at sites who spoil Who (fair comment), but hoping that said leaker would 1 - Not be allowed to be a fan anymore and that 2 - All Who newsgroups/blogs be closed down. Wow, couldn't believe part 2 (understand part 1, fair enough). Doesn't he realise that it's actions like killed Star Trek online. That fan base went from a thriving online community that at the time outweighed the Star Wars to a minimal smattering in 2011 and no show on air for 6 years. Moffat wants to think on, it's the fans that make the show, not the other way around. Who came back by popular demand because fans wanted it. Comments like that are a quick way to turn opinion against a show, and then where would they be?

  • May 13, 2011, 2:48 p.m. CST

    Please link me to where he talks about part 2, floristgump


    I've not seen that mentioned in any of the articles I read about the Moff Rant.

  • May 13, 2011, 2:54 p.m. CST

    I don't blame Moffat for being pissed

    by Christopher Bynum

    The man is busting his ass to give us some great Doctor Who storylines. What's the point if some moron on a website goes out of their way to spoil it for everyone? You can have websites for shows that are popular without spoiling what's coming up. You can blog and speculate as to where the show is going without giving away the correct answer. I'm having a blast speculating about the current season, then watching to see if I'm right.

  • May 13, 2011, 2:56 p.m. CST

    What hurt the Pirate episode

    by ThrowMeTheIdol

    Was him being so chummy with this bloodthirsty mass murderer. It was an off note for a show that often claims the moral high ground. The episode would have worked better if the boy's father was a new recruit who hadn't yet got his hands that dirty.

  • May 13, 2011, 3 p.m. CST

    Here's something that I'm wondering about.

    by Christopher Bynum

    I watched the Angels two parter and the Big Bang a couple of days ago. When Amy asks River what happens after the Big Bang, River says they all wake up where they're supposed to be, none of this ever happened, and they won't remember it. But in Flesh and Stone (which for River, is after The Pandorica Opens), River says she'll see the Doctor again when the Pandorica opens. How can she remember something that never happened? And this leads me to what I'm GUESSING has happened. Did the Big Bang, instead of rebooting the universe, create a new one where things are different, and both universes are trying to coexist?

  • May 13, 2011, 3:04 p.m. CST

    In other words

    by Christopher Bynum

    is there a universe where Amy is pregnant, and another one where she isn't? A universe where Rory was a Roman Auton, and one where he wasn't? A universe where the Silence has been around since the beginning, and one where they never existed? Somehow, saying all this doesn't make me feel clever. It makes me feel like I'm the last one to get the punchline.

  • May 13, 2011, 3:06 p.m. CST

    I don't blame Moffat either.


    It wasn't a member of the media who decided to post the details; it was somebody who called themselves a fan and had been asked by Moffat, as all of the crowd at that screening was, NOT to tell people who died in "The Impossible Astronaut" or what happened at the end of "Day Of The Moon". It doesn't matter that said person published the details because they were enthusiastic about what they'd seen; they still went again Moffat's wishes. They had been privileged to see those episodes before everyone else and squandered that privilege. It's not just the act which was wrong, it was going against what Steven Moffat's personally asked of them as well. He wanted people to be surprised by what he'd written and created, and they should have respected that.

  • May 13, 2011, 3:08 p.m. CST

    The interview can be heard here

    by FuzzyLumpkins

  • May 13, 2011, 3:10 p.m. CST

    You know what else hurt the pirate episode?

    by ThomasFlynn

    The fact that a couple of 18th century pirates had absolutely no issues with the learning curve of how to pilot a star ship. Suspension of disbelief is one thing. And we do it all the time with "Who." But that was just a bit much.

  • May 13, 2011, 3:25 p.m. CST

    I like the sound of Merricks optimism here

    by tomdolan04

    when he says it's " terms of who The Doctor is and his relationship to what's around him". The monsters of the week in their various guises are disposable for the most part. <p> Take some of the more acclaimed ep's since the 2005 reboot. The Empty Child/Doctor Dances two parter. It wasn't just the concept of a gas mask (evoking sad memories of war time London) and a blank slate of a child yearning it's mum that made such a compelling tale - it was the way Ecclestone channeled such stunning compassion, humour, sadness, anger and culminating in an emphatic 'No One Dies Today' speech at the end. Cheesy? To a degree, but god you bought him in that character in that scene. I'm gutted he only did one series. <p> The Girl In The Fireplace? Forget the clockwork robots - they were a means to an end. I was more intrigued by the Doctors nonchalence that a horse was running round a 51st century space station. Moreover - it was his relationship with the Princess that was interesting. From being a childhood 'man myth that appeared in the fireplace' to love interest, to bravado hero, to ending in an aching sadness (a path that I think is not unlike how 11/Amy started and will end parallel to). <p> Blink:- Not really about the Doctor at all, but it was. With the character in the background being the architect of a puzzle with Sparrow serving as a companion truly should - earnest, likeable and more rounded as a character in one episode than Amy was in pretty much half a series. Sure you had a fantastically creepy character in the Angels (the concept of being sent back into the past to 'live to death' more interesting than merely having a scary face which they played up in the Series 5 ep with them in) - but it was how effective the Doctors character could be with minimal use by just remembering the infinite possibilities of a childs imagination (infinitely more entertaining than Tenants lite episode Love And Monsters or whatever it was called). <p> Family Of Blood / Human Nature. Nothing to do with the monsters at all really the success of this one: - although my god the little girl and the youngish guy who played Baines (think he was called that) were stellar. No, the power here were all with the relationships. Tenant and Hynes. Tenants struggle between Mr Smith and his Doctor alter ego. Marthas dilemma of how to help the Doctor. Her unrequited love. The young boys experiences with the watch. All first class and crucially for the most part self contained from the series Arcs. <p> Alll these eps about the Doctors world and relationships and all done with no CGI army of Daleks. No millions of 'splosions. Just some good concepts that leave the viewers imagination to play with in the sandbox of the mind. My sincerest wish for the new series and going forward is I'm getting a bit tired of the continual references to other things in various episodes that no doubt will only be resolved in the last 15 minutes of episode 13. I don't care. I want to sit down on a saturday night and watch a good episode that can be viewed (sure) as part of the series overall, but has the ability to want to be replayed by itself. A lot of people rate 'The Constant' in Lost as one of the best and I think that is because it can be viewed in context of the series, but at core it's an episode about 'Human Nature' (sorry!) - I showed a non Lost watching mate that ep and they adored it. Overall I thought Lost was patchy but I love to dig that ep out every so often. <p> Moffat seems to be getting a bit carried away with trying to be clever with multi-arc cryptic references such as Cracks in the Wall, Silences, River Song, inter-dimensional pregnancy, ladies appearing in walls spouting when all we want is a solid effective story. We've come a long way from subtle graffitti saying Bad Wolf in the background...sure rip on Russell T Davies, but as another TB'er I think said last week: his stories were generally weaker than Moffat's, but man when he hit emotional highs he really hit them.

  • May 13, 2011, 3:30 p.m. CST

    "the little girl and the youngish guy who played Baines (think he was called that) were stellar."


    Hey, tomdolan04! Have you been watching GAME OF THRONES? Harry Lloyd (who played Baines) is really great as Viserys Targaryen in the show.

  • May 13, 2011, 3:42 p.m. CST

    Okay chaps, here's the problem with spoiler websites

    by Mister Vertue

    Most of what they 'spoil' is complete rubbish. They manage to grab a few photos from episodes currently filming and then wildy speculate on them, which I'm sure is half of the fun of being a fan, but it also leads to 'non-news'. You can bet your bottom dollar that next year the security will be just that wee bit tighter than it was this year, that there will be less press/preview screenings on both sides of the pond, and that actors will be asked to be more careful about what they post on their résumé so nobody can see that they're obviously working on the show and what their character is called.

  • May 13, 2011, 3:45 p.m. CST

    Pete "Stretch" Ross...

    by Hagakure

    ....I watched the show on and off over the past decade, and I remember seeing that show when Pete Ross came back. If I remember correctly, didn't his clothes stretch also? Which I thought was an odd side of effect for chewing radioactive gum even for the 'Smallville' univers.

  • May 13, 2011, 3:57 p.m. CST

    Wrong TB hagakure


    Schoolboy error there, buddy. Still, we've all done it at least once. Back to the SMALLVILLE TB with you!

  • May 13, 2011, 3:57 p.m. CST

    Fucking spoilers. So.

    by V'Shael

  • May 13, 2011, 4 p.m. CST



    Until you arrived here, I never knew anything about Moffat's wife (I did some research when someone else mentioned your TB handle in relation to her). You are therefore obviously quite a big fan of the mighty Moff. Were you a fan of COUPLING as well as DOCTOR WHO?

  • May 13, 2011, 4:01 p.m. CST

    So, what you're saying, drwho2005...


    Is that she's the living Tardis. Is that right?

  • May 13, 2011, 4:01 p.m. CST

    The problem with spoiler websites, part 2

    by Mister Vertue

    And while I'm ranting (people are allowed to rant here - I've seen it with my own eyes), not only do people go to those specific websites to ruin the show for themselves, they then proceed to come to websites like this and type out (or just plain copy and paste) the 'news' for other people to read. If people wanted to ruin the show for themselves then they'd pop over to doctorwhospoilers .com and do it themselves. I could be wrong here, and I'm sure somebody will tell me that I am, but I suspect they come to Ain't It Cool to talk about the show and have fun theorising about what just happened in the latest episode and what that means for future episodes. I've been reading this section of AICN for the past few weeks and you all seem like lovely folks who are enthusiastic about the show, but one or two of you (you know who you are) really let the side down by doing exactly what I've described above. So how about you play fair from now on eh? Show a little respect for Who fans that don't want future episodes ruined. I should probably go out into the garden and stare at the stars for a while now and cool down. I'll be back to read all the vitriol later. The internet is fun, isn't it?!

  • May 13, 2011, 4:02 p.m. CST


    by tomdolan04

    I've got the first two Thrones ep's sat on my hard-drive waiting to watch, I've heard nothing but good things about it. <p> I'm stoked that guys got more work then if he's in it. Baines was chilling, playful, powerful and most if not all of it was done with a cracking voice and a few arched eyebrows and wicked eyes. A true masterclass in 'less is more' acting.

  • May 13, 2011, 4:04 p.m. CST

    This line in Family of Blood from Baines

    by tomdolan04

    "Baines: War is coming. In foreign fields, war of the whole wide world, with all your boys falling down in the mud. Do you think they will thank the man who taught them it was glorious?" <p> It's delivery was amazing by the guy

  • May 13, 2011, 4:11 p.m. CST



    You'll be pleased to know that he uses those arched eyebrows and wicked voice to good effect in GoT. I've not read the novels on which they're based but he's one of my favorite characters in the show so far!

  • I am glad my favorite Who villain is back!!!!! Notice I didn't say who or how many episodes that villain is in.

  • May 13, 2011, 4:30 p.m. CST


    by frozen01

    Okay... now I HAVE to watch Game of Thrones. Thanks for that bit o' info. He gave a very memorable performance in Family of Blood... and as a member of a military family, that line, tomdolan04, was especially brutal and poignant for me. I think I actually physical winced. I cannot imagine how it was for those who have actually seen combat firsthand.

  • May 13, 2011, 4:30 p.m. CST

    I totally agree with Moffat on this.

    by elgato73

    Even though a lot of what goes into these spoilers for both film and television ends up being total bullshit and complete fabrications. The thing is, Doctor Who at this point, should be locked down like Lost or a Chris Nolan production. Only disinformation gets out. And sorry Merrick, no screeners for the press or anybody else. Hell, we've gone almost 50 years without this series and its secrets being spoiled but now with all these sites, Doctor Who is winding up being just that. Crazy ain't it.

  • May 13, 2011, 4:41 p.m. CST



    You've heard about The Kandyman from "The Happiness Patrol" too, I take it? Good times ahead!

  • May 13, 2011, 4:54 p.m. CST


    by Kingofsuicide

    Bloody good observation dude!

  • May 13, 2011, 4:55 p.m. CST


    by zer05um

    He's chummy because he already knows him, or at least another variant of him. This is not the first time the Doctor has met Capt. Avery.

  • May 13, 2011, 5:01 p.m. CST

    OK - I retract my Romana theory

    by Corwin_X2

    Looks like they are going with Susan's mother or at least something around the original mystery of why Hartnell was in a stolen Tardis with her. Can't see any other way of reading all the crypticisms above. Figure they'd better not mess it up though or they may feel my idea would have been the safer one. If you're going to do a reveal on a 48 year old mystery, that could've happily stayed that way, it better have a damn fine payoff!

  • I really don't think we will ever see that villain again, but, I think you know that. I guess we all have different tastes, some like hot, some like cold, some like sweet, some like salty.

  • May 13, 2011, 5:12 p.m. CST

    The doctors wife is.......

    by Kingofsuicide

    The tardis,any one remember the joss whedon x-men story where the danger room was pissed at loosing all the time and became sentient ? Could the same thing be happening with the tardis? In the episode 11th hour the doctor says to the tardis "o you sexy thing" and "thanks dear" when the tardis ejects the new sonic screw driver,and he has traveled for almost 1000 years in her,most blokes would be firmley attached to anything over that lenth of time!

  • May 13, 2011, 5:22 p.m. CST

    I totally agree with Moffat - at least the first part

    by Corwin_X2

    I think the bit about the fansites was just anger and frustration talking. It's not about spoilers - it's about a breach of trust. He gave some people, who called themselves serious fans, a special treat to thank them for being so into the show. And all he asked was they repay him by keeping what they saw in confidence. And then some dick takes a dump on that generosity and trust just to be "the big man" for a few moments in a forum. I'd want the guy's nuts in a wringer myself. And what has he achieved besides his two minutes? A near guarantee that no-one else is going to be lucky enough go to preview screenings like he did. Take this forum: Spoilers here are stated to be OK after the UK screening because everyone in the States knows to avoid it for a few hours until the US screening. Spoilers from "stealth teasers" like the Blue Peter clip is also OK - if the producers didn't mean it to stir up speculation they wouldn't have shown it. But posting stuff from private screenings weeks in advance would be not only wrong but would actually take away all the fun we have of trying to guess the plot from those teasers as well! No-one wins - not even the twat who posts it, ultimately.

  • "The Curse of the Black Spot" was the first time The Doctor met Captain Avery. Yes, Avery was mentioned in "The Smugglers", but, not seen. "The Curse of the Black Spot"could be considered a prequel, as it deals with the circumstances of Captain Avery's (presumed) death. If I'm wrong, let me know, since, I never saw the four-part story and, it's been a while since I read the novel version, 20-plus years.

  • And we're lucky that Moffat got that from the very start. He showed that by writing half of those awesome episodes of the past few years! Maybe not mentioned enough though are the casting people. Not only do they get serious stars and venerable (and venerated!) character actors on board but they seem to pretty good at spotting serious but relatively unknown talent as well. Who would've thought "that guy that plays Mickey on Dr Who" (Noel Clarke) was busy writing one of the most acclaimed British films of recent years - Kidulthood - in his spare time? And after seeing Carey Mulligan as Sally Sparrow it's not surprising her career's gone stellar with An Education. Sure there's the occasional actor/character that strikes an off-key note but the quality we get here every week is more in line with the casting of a high-profile drama series. And speaking of Sparrow - if you're reading Mr Moffat, please find a way of enticing Carey back.

  • May 13, 2011, 6:36 p.m. CST

    Tardis - sentience - two points

    by Corwin_X2

    1. If they really are interested in opening up some of the mythos then I think we've waited long enough for at least a bit more of an idea of what the Tardis actually is in terms of machine/computer/AI v living or at least sentient being. The latter often being hinted at. 2. It's already been shown in clips that the doctor and possible spouse build some form of flyable time/space-platform, with a Tardis-like console, from scrap. Since throwing a machine together on the fly from random scrap doesn't really accord with all the hinted-stuff about the Tardis it would be nice if we got some of 1. in an explanation of why 2. isn't actually a Tardis.

  • May 13, 2011, 7:16 p.m. CST

    Evening All.....well technically morning for me :(

    by shibleybc

    I am sooo loving the Docbacks this time around! Thanks all for that! Well i will be working tomorrow but will be watching at midnight UK time and honestly cant wait :) enjoy fellow dockbackers :) Boing

  • May 13, 2011, 7:25 p.m. CST

    Tardis in human form

    by Warren Howarth

    This was also my possible therory, but then some of the teaser trailers show the shouting out to Amy and Rory that whoever the protagonist is, its after the Tardis. Incidentally, the idea that a Tardis could be humanoid in form has been around for bloody ages in the old Eighth Doctor Novels, but if memory serves me, it was finally realised in a story called 'Alien Bodies'. The Doctor lost his Tardis, and began travelling in a living one that had previously been a companion called 'Compassion'.

  • May 13, 2011, 7:33 p.m. CST

    doctortom - And a lot of drama was broadcast truly live as well

    by Corwin_X2

    The only reason Who got some minimal editing in those first shows was to add in the optical effects. They didn't get much rehearsal either so no-one should knock them for the odd fluffed line - they had to have balls of steel just to get in front of the camera (both sexes!). A couple of TV specials have tried to recreate that experience in recent years. In the US George Clooney, Richard Dreyfuss, and Noah Wyle starred in a remake of Fail-Safe, filmed and broadcast live from camera. And in the UK the same experiment was carried out with a live performance of The Quatermass Experiment - co-starring one David Tennant! If you read cast interviews from those shows the one thing that comes across is that every one of them was crapping bricks from the moment the cameras rolled until the end-credits! So serious kudos is owed to the pioneers of this show back in the 60s!

  • May 13, 2011, 7:37 p.m. CST

    Hurray for more DOCTOR WHO!

    by Eternal Optimist

    My weekend wouldn't be complete without... a great new episode of this show! I can't wait to meet... THE DOCTOR'S WIFE!

  • May 13, 2011, 7:39 p.m. CST

    You Brits get all the good stuff...

    by Perigee

    Now I've got to take down the Eurovision finals and DW this weekend. What happened to the good old days, when I could feel smugly superior about American Entertainment? ... Well, at least we don't have a robot rabbit. So, some cold comfort there.

  • May 13, 2011, 8:03 p.m. CST

    You Brits get all the good stuff - I do wish, I really do

    by Corwin_X2

    The BBC, Channel 4 and occasionally the other channels do sometimes come up with incredible shows. But they tend to be short-run dramas - essentially feature films split over three to five episodes. Not the same as a mini-series by the way. But they're almost drowned out by endless, mindless, hog-whimperingly awful reality shows in an apparent race to get as far down in the gutter as possible. Longer running quality shows like Life on Mars/Ashes to Ashes have become once-in-a-decade events. And so, unfortunately, Who is the *only* seasonal show that I think anyone would even bother trying to sell to a US network. Just to mention my own favourite US shows - NCIS, NCIS LA, Bones, Castle and of course in the past Buffy, Angel, the list goes on. We have nothing, NOTHING, that even comes close to the week-on-week quality of those shows. Except maybe Who. So we can do short dramas, we can of course do period dramas like no-one else. But when it comes to quality multi-season series? Regrettably I have to give you my full permission, as a Brit, to be as smug as you like. By the way, in terms of the stuff we can still do right against the odds, check out Exile (starring John Simm) and Shadow Line (starring Chiwetel Ejiofor).

  • May 13, 2011, 8:18 p.m. CST


    by frozen01

    You're being far too hard on British TV, hun. Really, Bones? Castle? Child's play compared to Life on Mars/Ashes to Ashes. And I'm currently watching Castle, coincidentally *LOL* Doctor Who is not the only show "sold" to American audiences. There are now American versions of Skins and Being Human (I'm happy to report that your versions are PHENOMENALLY better)... and the fact that they're "American versions" and not the originals say more about us than you. Then there's Torchwood. Oh, and Sherlock got every-man rave reviews when it ran on American TV, on a channel that no one ever watches, even *LOL* We've got the quantity thing down, but you all definitely have the quality part covered :)

  • May 13, 2011, 8:37 p.m. CST


    by Corwin_X2

    I already tagged Life on Mars as being up there with the very best any country could possibly produce. But shows like that are unfortunately special events, not the norm. And Sherlock is a perfect prime example of the short-run dramas I also lauded - brilliant, wonderful, want more - all three episodes of it! What we don't have is the high-quality, weekly (20-24 episode), multi-year series that would push out some of the reality tv crap. *Serials* like Coronation Street, the Bill, Emmerdale, don't count. Not the same thing. Even Who only runs for what in the US would be less than half a season. The stuff we do can be phenominal - but no-one over here has the guts, as an example, to greenlight an actual *series* of Sherlock. In the States the second series would already be funded for at least 13 episodes (half a season). I'm not knocking the talent we've got over here - I'm knocking the mindless tv execs with all the money that keep throwing it at Simon Cowell!

  • UK television is great, maybe better than the US, except for one thing, their tv seasons (series). there can be as little as 3 episodes a years (3? really?) or as many as 13 episodes! (Wow, a whole 13!!!! Ooooooooooo, christmas present!!!!) Even a UK series run is crazy, good example, when I first started watching Doctor Who, it was on Sunday afternoons at 4 o'clock, right before Doctor Who, PBS showed "All Creatures Great & Small", I don't know why I got into the show, but, I liked it. But, here's the thing, while it had a good run, (7 seasons, 10 to 13 episodes per year and 3 specials.) it ran from '78 to '80, a special in '83, one in '85, then, in '88, the last 4 seasons ran until '90 and then, the last special at the end of the last season. Hey, the old saying, "leave the people wanting more.", I don't think it works for our guy, corwin. Maybe, he just likes america, he may be the only one in the UK.

  • May 13, 2011, 8:51 p.m. CST

    heh... that headline makes me chuckle

    by alexander

  • That 7 year gap between "All Creatures Great & Small" worked out great for Peter Davison because he was in it and did Doctor Who from 1981 to 1984, between that gap.

  • May 13, 2011, 9:09 p.m. CST

    It's not any particular liking of America ...

    by Corwin_X2

    ... it's just that they have a knack of making decent, entertaining, contemporary shows that have the legs to run for half a year, year-after-year, not just for a few weeks. Oh, and a virulent, near homicidal, hatred of reality shows. In case you hadn't guessed ;-) At random: Life on Mars v NCIS. For jaw-dropping, pants-wettingly good drama and entertainment LOM wins hands down. But I've had the pleasure of enjoying NCIS for (is it eight years now)? Or take just the US - HBO does exactly what we do, relatively short run series that blow people away. Game of Thrones is their latest triumph. But imagine if the only channels you could get were HBO and The Shopping Channel. Sure you're getting regular doses of serious quality but the rest of the time your brain cells are dying just from switching on the TV. Point is, we don't have the middle-ground over here - or rather we do, it's covered by the kind of US shows I mentioned. They may not be high art but they're a damn sight better than what we have *except* for stuff that only runs for a few weeks.

  • May 13, 2011, 9:23 p.m. CST

    And axcel1 - with ACGAS you're talking PC ...

    by Corwin_X2

  • May 13, 2011, 9:24 p.m. CST

    And axcel1 - with ACGAS you're talking PC ...

    by Corwin_X2

    ... pre-Cowell! I'm talking about the dross that's on UK TV right now - not the admitted glories of the past ;->

  • "Lovejoy", Ian McShane played the title character, like Colombo, we never knew his first name. Like I said, great series, it ran for 6 years, a gap of 5 years between season 1 and 2, but, that was because of legal issues. It was based on a series of novels created by Jonathan Gash, which I started reading because of the show. Frozen Renee, if you can find this series on DVD, Netflix, or, anywhere, watch it, you may like it.

  • You like American tv shows, corwin. And, the 2 shows I mentioned are from the past, which I liked and I like some of the ones that are made now. I agree, I wish more were made each year. I'm glad you like US tv shows.

  • I HATE reality shows, too, HATE them!!!!!!!!!!

  • The episode might be just good, but not great, yet people will rave like it's the best Dr Who episode ever, in all the space-time continuum. Gaiman could piss in a cup and people would line up to drink. He's seriously the most overrated, overworshipped writer on the planet.

  • May 13, 2011, 9:57 p.m. CST

    No probs - I should sign off now and stop ranting ...

    by Corwin_X2

    ... thread's about tomorrow's Who after all! ;-) But just to be clear - it's not that I like US shows (though a selected few I really do) - it's that I wish the people running the channels here would have the balls to invest in and think of shows in the same way. Not *just* in terms of top-quality short-runs or TV-movies but in creating new franchises (not based on novels published 60+ years ago) that have a chance of being a tenth as long-running as Who. I'm not saying we haven't had any recently - Spooks for example makes the grade - just that they seem to be rapidly dying out in the last few years under an avalanche of quick-return phone-in competition crap. We need long-running *good* quality alongside short-running stellar quality. Going to bed now and looking forward to tonight's show!

  • May 13, 2011, 10:12 p.m. CST

    I like Dr Who

    by maelstrom_ZERO

    I just started watching all of the 2005 series a month ago and caught up a few days ago. It's good stuff, if you can sit through some of the really awful, cheesy Davies-written episodes. I feel like Matt Smith is just Benedict Cumberbatch from BBC's Sherlock--which is both very good and very bad. I mean, Benedict is absolutely brilliant as Holmes, but it feels like Matt Smith just copied the character for his take on Dr Who. Kind of unoriginal, I think. Despite that though, I'm loving the S5/S6 stuff with Matt Smith. There were some mediocre episodes like The Beast Below, but everything else was either very solid, or amazing. Except for the season finale. I have never been more confused in my life. None of the time travel stuff makes logical sense (according to normal time travel stuff). Or maybe I'm just getting old.

  • May 13, 2011, 10:48 p.m. CST

    Doctors wife end of time and ood

    by History101

    At the start the 10th doctor said he was late to the ood planet because of this and that. Included was a statement of having got married. And this episode has an ood. Connection?

  • May 14, 2011, 1:48 a.m. CST

    Ah, axcel1

    by zer05um

    I think it's actually both a sequel and a prequel, depending upon which character's perspective is involved. The Doctor has (if my memory serves me) met, or is at least familiar with Capt. Avery - and this Doctor does over-familiar like anything! Avery hasn't met the Doctor yet, but - again if I remember it correctly - will, but only briefly. If I'm wrong then the Doctor still knows OF Capt. Avery at this point in his timeline, and s the Matt Smith familiarity thing again...

  • May 14, 2011, 1:50 a.m. CST

    Corwin - couple of thoughts

    by frozen01

    1) I would rather have an amazing show like Life on Mars (actually, I kind of preferred Ashes to Ashes, but that might be gender bias) with a "half season" of incredible television entertainment. Quality over quantity. Our problem is that we don't have the "stellar" stuff. We only have the crap and the mediocre-to-fairly-good (barring premium channels). 2) Interesting you bring up HBO, considering they have the same format you do ("half seasons") and that's probably why their shows are so good. Also, I don't believe their productions are strictly American. 3) We have the exact same issue with reality TV. We just don't have robotic rabbits ;) ... yet... (luckily I don't think that one's gonna happen... we've outgrown our game show phase). "An avalanche of quick-return phone-in competition crap" is putting it mildly! And we keep adding more! 4) We have the same gripes about networks not investing in good quality TV shows. Firefly, for example... or even Doctor Who itself (TV movie). Anything too "out there"... I'll add Pushing Daisies to the list... never makes it very far. 5) Your shows have proper, dignified endings that do them justice. Our shows rarely have an end. They either get cancelled and are left hanging without resolution, or drag on and on and on in the attempt to milk that cash cow until no one gives a shit about them anymore, and they're little more than a joke (I'm looking at you, X-Files!) I will make one exception: the West Wing. Some seven full seasons of fantastic writing, never a bad episode, and a satisfying ending that didn't entirely close the book. By the way, it feels very strange typing "seasons" here *LOL* I'm not used to discussing American TV on AICN! :P

  • May 14, 2011, 2:53 a.m. CST


    by veteran_of_mu

    Too simple. The prestige on this one has to account for the Dream Lord, the Dr's ties, the one-eyed lady behind the slide, the cracks in time, River Song's connection to Dr Ten, and, yes, the Valeyard. I think to do all that you have to go all the way back to Silence In The Library. That's when we first started to get 2 universes colliding, one real and the other simulated. This is a bit like the difference between the RTD and Moff universes too ...

  • May 14, 2011, 2:58 a.m. CST

    Is anyone watching The Shadow Line?

    by rosasaks

    Good new British thriller that appears to have absorbed some stylistic ticks from US shows like 24 while remaining a serious, character driven drama.

  • May 14, 2011, 3:13 a.m. CST


    by MoffatBabies

    Perfectly observed and presented. Gotta agree.

  • May 14, 2011, 3:29 a.m. CST

    Wife = TARDIS; I refuse to watch the show again

    by fred

    I refuse to watch any more episodes because of Adric. Although the fifth Doctor refused to save him by materializing the TARDIS before the cybermen ship exploded because, he said, doing so violated the laws of time, he had absolutely no trouble going back in time to catch the falling River Song with the TARDIS swimming pool. I will NEVER watch the show again. That is all.

  • May 14, 2011, 3:30 a.m. CST

    Will be a little late home to watch this 'live'...

    by Gabba-UK

    Thank goodness for HD PVR's is all I can say. Merrick, nice review. Thanks for pumping me up even more than I already was without giving anything away.

  • May 14, 2011, 3:43 a.m. CST

    A Brit arguing for U.S television shows and an American arguing for British television shows...


    Crazy times in today's Whoback!

  • May 14, 2011, 3:50 a.m. CST

    Suranne Jones

    by crucio

    A great actress and possilby the greatest rack in Coronation Street history!!!

  • May 14, 2011, 3:54 a.m. CST



    "Yes, because there are laws. There are laws of time, and once upon a time, there were people in charge of those laws, but they died. They all died. Do you know who that leaves? Me! It's taken me all these years to realise the laws of time are mine, and they will obey me!" - The Tenth Doctor (THE WATERS OF MARS)

  • Judging by some of the comments, else I fear there may be a glut of suicides this evening.

  • May 14, 2011, 5:55 a.m. CST

    These discussions about British TV...

    by Gabba-UK

    Anyone else noting that the big 'quality' shows mentioned so far have all been made by either the BBC or Channel 4.... I haven't chosen to watch ANYTHING on ITV for well over a decade. Their like the british TV version of 20th Century Fox film studio. The days that ITV made worldclass quality TV are well behind them. Hell, they can't even pick the good American shows to buy.

  • May 14, 2011, 7:20 a.m. CST

    "I haven't chosen to watch ANYTHING on ITV"


    I'm with you there ... They almost never show anything that interests me ... BBC1, 2, and channel 4 have all the quality stuff worth watching.

  • May 14, 2011, 7:38 a.m. CST

    What a great weekend for.... great television!

    by Eternal Optimist

    First the super series finale for Smallville and now the amazing Neil Gaiman Doctor Who episode! This weekend is.... fantastic!

  • May 14, 2011, 7:50 a.m. CST

    On a lighter note....

    by Gabba-UK

    Blackburn are one up against Man.Utd. Hahahaha get in!!!!

  • Or, maybe, SyFy???????????????????

  • May 14, 2011, 8:24 a.m. CST

    There will be no more spoilers from me.

    by sam jacksons wig

    Not even smaller ones. If the forum wishes it, then let it be so.

  • It is trying too hard to be "clever" in parts (no spoilers here I'm afraid for those watching or who are going to), and the scripting is suffering under the weight of it. Some of the characters are very 1 dimensional, and most I'm afraid to say are completely cliched (tough woman copper, soiled and tarnished lead "black" copper with a history et.c) I am however enjoying the story unfolding each week.

  • and unlike last week will find reasons to like it instead of hate it. I am a very big fan of Gaiman, but if the ep is bollocks, then I shall call it bollocks. He may just have too much to live up to as he is usually just......well, sublime.

  • May 14, 2011, 8:34 a.m. CST

    frozen01 - a very succinct description of US TV there, my lady....

    by sam jacksons wig

    How can you fuck up quality shows like the X-Files? Very simple!!!! Let it crawl up its own arse, extend characters and arcs well beyond their sell-by dates (Duchovny just DIDN'T want to be there, did he? He even refused to talk about the show in interviews, instead opting for discussions on the SHITE Red Shoe Diaries), introduce new lead characters well into the mythos and expect die hard fans to simply accept them by reversing the sceptic roles..... ......tut tut wont do.

  • Some fucking brilliant shows!!!!

  • Yes, people will hail this ep as fantastic just because they are fans of Gaiman, with one exception..... As for what you described as "overated?" You have your head up your arse mate. Read some of his fucking works before making a statement like that.

  • May 14, 2011, 8:44 a.m. CST

    Ep number 4 already has a couple of things going for it....

    by sam jacksons wig

    .....high production values. (Remember this was bumped from last season because it cost too much and we got fat fucking James Corden and his unfunny fatness) Set in another world. (How many have been complaining of the Earth bound stories? ) Michael Sheen. (When not starring in drivvel, one of the worlds greatest talents. And fuck those of you who say he is not.) Great FX. That "line" from the trailer (no spoilers here even though EVERYONE has fucking heard it.) Neil Gaiman. V'Shael endorsing it and no doubt colliding with others over its virtues as I did with Black Spot last week...... ;)

  • May 14, 2011, 8:48 a.m. CST

    corwin- Game of Thrones is quite possibly the very best thing on TV.

    by sam jacksons wig

    I extoll its virtues every week, and have converted alot of my friends to avid viewers of its excellence.

  • May 14, 2011, 8:53 a.m. CST

    I, too hate reality shows. With a fucking passion.

    by sam jacksons wig

    In no particular order...... Dating in the dark. (what a shit premise!!) Dancing with the stars/celebrity come dancing. (horrid.) The X Factor. (with the winners guaranteed to be Butlins bound within a month!) FOR OUR FOREIGN READERS, BUTLINS IS A SHIT HOLIDAY CAMP, massive in the 70's and 80's, but now only have 3 left from the 140 they had. So you think you can dance? (no, I don't.) The Apprentice. (awful cunt drippings of TV) I'm a celebrity get me out of here...(yes, please get them out of there..) Survivor (I wish they would all die..) and so on and so on and so on......bollocks TV for the brain dead masse, created by talentless hack executives.

  • May 14, 2011, 8:55 a.m. CST

    11 posts off the belt. Well, I had to catch up didn't I?

    by sam jacksons wig

  • May 14, 2011, 9:02 a.m. CST

    Love the classic clip from the first Doc....

    by sam jacksons wig

    I can remember Paul Whitehouse and Harry Enfield a few years ago using that clip in telling the story of two of their creations "Mike Smash and Dave Nice" in "Smashie and Nicey- End of an Era..." Paul Whitehouse was dressed as a copper with one of those bobbly head bands on, tretending to be an alien approaching the tardis.

  • Its a part of the life of the doctor that hasn't (to my knowledge) really been exploited.

  • May 14, 2011, 9:42 a.m. CST


    by frozen01

    Yeah, X-Files, what can I say? I was a HUGE fan... I was fairly young when it came out, and I would save up my allowance and birthday money to buy the season guides; they were my most treasured possession *LOL* I NEVER missed an episode. But even before the main characters were replaced, the train had begun to leave the tracks. It went on for years for no reason. And the movies? *yawns* Terrible. I was a kid, for chrissakes, and even I could tell they were just milking it. And that does it. I'm, um, "obtaining" Game of Thrones tonight and watching it after Who. I cannot put off seeing this show any longer with all this talk! I'm a bit torn on the Gaiman episode. I honestly can't say if I will defend and love it no matter what, or if I'll do the opposite and hold it to a much higher standard. I tend to do the latter with Gaiman's work but this is an unusual circumstance (one that I'm still pinching myself over!)

  • May 14, 2011, 9:44 a.m. CST

    Frozen- don't let that be the only reason to watch Game of Thrones.

    by sam jacksons wig

    Expertly written. Beautifully acted. Great slow-build storylines. Intrigue. Stunning cinematography. And the best opening credits sequence I have seen in such a long time. In short, it is what great TV is made of.

  • May 14, 2011, 9:45 a.m. CST

    First Doctor, House, and the Swimming Pool

    by hungrysamurai

    The First Doctor's actions before "Unearthly Child" are as canonically unknown as the later events of the Eighth Doctor and the regeneration to the Ninth. I'd like to see both. Any possibility "House" is a reference to Lungbarrow? Maybe just an in-joke for long-time geeks? As has been mentioned, Andrew Cartmel tried to work in some explanations to the end of the Seventh Doctor's run, but, well, that wound up being the end of the whole run for a while. Also, I think there are some differences between River and Adric. For one, Adric was an incredibly annoying pain in the ass. For another, going back to Adric may have had more to do with not violating the Doctor's timeline; the Fifth Doctor and Eleventh may simply see things differently; the laws may not be quite so inflexible now that there's one Time Lord and no Gallifreyan council to force a regeneration (e.g., Second to Third).

  • May 14, 2011, 9:45 a.m. CST

    rebel - long time no speak! Hope you are well!!!!

    by sam jacksons wig

  • May 14, 2011, 9:54 a.m. CST


    by frozen01

    FOX does have a few good shows, at least one of which corwin mentioned. I'll add House to that, because despite how formulaic it is, I just can't get sick of that show *LOL* Plus, even though the Simpsons is long past its prime, it is one of a very small number of American shows that is a bit daring and does not pull punches, politically speaking (using comedy to make a political message ala A Bit of Fry and Laurie). The only other comparable shows in that regard are South Park, and Daily Show/Colbert Report (which are ABOUT politics!)

  • May 14, 2011, 9:56 a.m. CST

    Frozen- al involved needed to know when to let go.

    by sam jacksons wig

    Season 1 was a great introduction- SCI-FI at the time needed something like X-Files as it was suffering on TV. Season 2 was quite possibly some of the greatest TV ever made: Duane Barry/Ascension, Die Hand de Verletzt (the hand that wounds), Dod Kalm, Humbug, Calusari..... so many classic episodes I can't begin to list tham all!! Season 3 clyde bruckman, Jose Chung, Oubliette, pusher were the stand outs. I could stand it all the way up to season 6, but by that time I was starting to loose the will with it. The mythos was never answered. The introduction of new characters weakened the already stretched plotting. Aside from a couple of stand alone episodes, the show reeked of desperation. The main protagonists were tired. But they didn't let it go. As for the movies- jesus. I just wanted to shoot myself (and I own every season of X-Files and both the movies.......) What a fucking shame.

  • May 14, 2011, 9:58 a.m. CST

    hungrysamurai- I too, would like to see both.

    by sam jacksons wig

    However, it would pale into insignificnce as to how I imagine it to be...... maybe it is best left alone.

  • May 14, 2011, 10:02 a.m. CST

    South Park needs to go. And that is from a LONG TIME fan of the show.

    by sam jacksons wig

    The first 2 eps of S15 were just shite (and I could see the political and social agendas in both, but it couldn;t save them.) Ep 3 I liked because it was pure nonsense! And it had a piss take of the greatest band in existence!!!!!

  • May 14, 2011, 10:18 a.m. CST

    The Gaiman ep will be one of 2 things:

    by sam jacksons wig

    Insanely good or utter shit. Either way, there are those who will shout it as being the best thing since sliced bread. I, myself am so looking forward to it and want it to be good that it actually hurts. However, I have such high expectations that I may be let down and that aint a good thing. I find it difficult to approach this ep with the same sense of hokum as last week. Black Spot was GREAT Who fun! As that it was highly enjoyable, and I suspect Merricks headline as curtailing to fans who found last weeks ep nothing but drivvel (shame on you Merrick!!). This week is different. The bar is set too high before it airs and that may be its undoing.

  • May 14, 2011, 10:19 a.m. CST

    Sam Jackson's wig: Thanks! I'm doing well.

    by Rebel Scumb

    And very excited to watch tonights new Dr. Who!

  • May 14, 2011, 10:29 a.m. CST

    Guten Morgen, Docbackers

    by Perigee

    And a special thank you to the wag on another board who pointed out River looks like Ms. Frizzle, from "The Magic Schoolbus;" I just woke to that show - S'truth. We now know what Kingston can do to replace the Sarah Jane Adventures. A jealous wave to our progenitors across the Atlantic - viddy well, and get those torrents fired up ASAP for your poor American cousins.

  • May 14, 2011, 10:33 a.m. CST

    Afternoon Perigee!!! Illegal torrents??? Shame on you sir!!! ;););)

    by sam jacksons wig

  • I agree with you on "House", that's one show I have to watch, but, except "Fringe", the Sunday animation, and "America's Most Wanted" (Ok, that's one reality show I watch.), FOX keeps canceling shows I like. But, I disagree with you on "The X-Files" (I'm not saying you're wrong.), I liked watching every season and the 1st movie, 2nd movie, have it, have not watched yet. I liked the new agents and the belief switch, I mean, it was called, "The X-Files", not "The Gillian Anderson David Duchovny Show", of course, maybe Mr Duchovny didn't see it that way, but, that's another story. FOX used to be a minor network that gave tv shows a chance, now, it still a minor network with suits in charge who are full of themselves, with too many reality shows and not enough real tv shows. I have to say, I seem to watch a lot less of tv than I did when I was younger low those many years ago. With so much bad US tv, that may be why UK tv looks so good to us. Ok, enough ranting, let's get back to the greatest tv show ever made, "DOCTOR WHO"!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

  • May 14, 2011, 10:37 a.m. CST

    axcel!!!! Doctor Who the "greatest tv show" ever????

    by sam jacksons wig

    You're correct, sir. ;)

  • May 14, 2011, 10:37 a.m. CST

    Thanks to whoever mentioned The Shadow Line


    I just downloaded and watched both episodes of that fucker and it was absolutely delightful. The Operative and The Doctor in a noir thriller together? Yes fucking please.

  • I'm glad you didn't shoot yourself and, "South Park", I tried watching it, couldn't get into, but, glad you enjoy it.

  • I'm sure everyone here would agree with that statement.

  • So far, okay. But it could be so much more, and I hope it turns out that way. I will stick with it. I loveEccleson (Hearts and minds....did you ever watch that? Just excellent. Jimmy McGovern wrote pairing up with Eccleson after his stint in Cracker.)

  • Am I right?

  • May 14, 2011, 10:47 a.m. CST

    Axcel- and so they should, sir!!!! So they should!!!

    by sam jacksons wig

  • May 14, 2011, 10:49 a.m. CST

    1 hour and 45 minutes to go. To the best ep ever?

    by sam jacksons wig

  • May 14, 2011, 10:51 a.m. CST

    Wiggy - I'm just a poor boy, from a poor family...

    by Perigee

    Spare me my life from this monstrosity... I've been driven to a life of cybercrime by the high cost of living, and the even higher cost of my cable company's "Premium Package." So "Yo Ho Ho!" ~Grin~

  • May 14, 2011, 10:58 a.m. CST

    Perigee- it's good fun. Like it.

    by sam jacksons wig

    And fuck the cable companies and their premium packages.

  • May 14, 2011, 10:59 a.m. CST


    by frozen01

    I forgot about Fringe. I watched a good deal of the episodes and it just never elevated above the "watch when I'm bored and have nothing better to do" status. I haven't bothered with South Park in years.

  • May 14, 2011, 11:03 a.m. CST


    by frozen01

    I still think, though, with all the different channels available now, including premiums, there is more good TV on now then there was 10-20 years ago. Maybe it feels that way to you because when you're a kid, you'll watch anything ;) I mean, Thundercats was my favorite show when I was very young *shudders* You're lucky I like you all; normally I would never admit something like that ;)

  • May 14, 2011, 11:07 a.m. CST


    by frozen01

    With you on that! Stupid Comcast putting BBCA on the second tier... And my god, the comparison to Ms. Frizzle... I'll never get that out of my head now :P

  • May 14, 2011, 11:16 a.m. CST

    Shows when I was a kid? My favourites?

    by sam jacksons wig

    The Double Deckers. The Banana Spits. Saturday Swap Shop. The Tomorrow People. Dr Who (Of course). Michael Bentine's potty Time. Rentaghost. Monkey.

  • May 14, 2011, 11:21 a.m. CST

    Them the guize, Fro-zone.

    by Perigee

    Comcast. Bastids. And - I especially like this one - they lock me out of True TV, at 73, when they promised me access to everything from 1-99. If they offered ala carte channels, I'd just have 12 channels I watch, and pay 20 bucks... instead of paying thrice that for 70 useless ones and missing two I actually enjoy. Wah.

  • I thought you said you watched "South Park" and I know you're right about good tv being out there, "Game of Thrones" being one of them.

  • May 14, 2011, 11:30 a.m. CST

    Peewee Perigee, the Proto-Geek

    by Perigee

    Ah, the salad days. Star Trek. I was the First stereotype - wearing Donmoor "Star Trek" uniform shirts to school, replete with bowl-cut. Voyage to the Bottom of the Sea Time Tunnel Banana Splits - I was all Fleagle. Looking back at the show, I think I should have been all Drooper instead. Ultraman

  • You guys in the Uk have "So You Think You Can Live To Dance", too? Oh you poor people, I am shedding a tear for you now. (And, yes, I'm joking about the name.) Thank God for Doctor Who!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

  • May 14, 2011, 11:36 a.m. CST

    Axcel- yup, but don't watch a second of the shite. Just plain fucking awful

    by sam jacksons wig

  • May 14, 2011, 11:51 a.m. CST

    39 minutes to go. Bring it on.

    by sam jacksons wig

  • May 14, 2011, 11:52 a.m. CST

    Talking of shows we liked when we were young...


    I used to love a BBC show called "Dark Season", following the adventures of three kids (a super-intelligent girl and her two "companions") as they investigated evil science fiction plots such as laptops that brainwashed you and a super-computer buried deep beneath a school. It starred some tiny actress called Kate Winslett who never went on to do anything else, unfortunately. It was also created by a guy called Russell T something-or-other, and I always thought he might go on to do something special. I wonder what happened to him?

  • May 14, 2011, 11:55 a.m. CST

    The Tomorrow People

    by Mister Vertue

    I award a million Drogna to the person who just mentioned that show. Now I have the theme tune stuck in my head. Doog yrev!

  • May 14, 2011, 11:56 a.m. CST

    Tonight needs to be good.

    by Octavian

    Three distinctly average episodes, and Moffat throwing his toys out of the pram. Is the pressure at not being lauded as the giant of literature he clearly believes himself to be getting to the precious flower? It seems Moffat, this self-regarding "genius" thinks the stuff he has dished up so far is in some way acceptable. It isn't. I'm growing tired of his Confidential witterings. The King is in the altogether. Fingers crossed. With each passing week I feel like writing to Matt Smith to commiserate with the poor sod.

  • May 14, 2011, 11:58 a.m. CST

    man_of_vertue - I will take your million drogna...

    by sam jacksons wig

  • May 14, 2011, noon CST

    Russell T something-or-other

    by Mister Vertue

    Wasn't he the nice man who wrote episodes of ChuckleVision? Ha ha! I'm such a bitch.

  • May 14, 2011, 12:02 p.m. CST

    Isn't that the show where everybody was "doozling" each other?

    by Perigee

    I could never get past the haircuts, myself. ... Even though I was probably sporting something nearly as ridiculous. Bon Voyage, my English Brethren. Come back soon and taunt me with your experience!

  • May 14, 2011, 12:02 p.m. CST



    "The Impossible Astronaut" and "Day Of The Moon" were distinctly average? NO

  • May 14, 2011, 12:04 p.m. CST

    perigee - I am ready to taunt.......

    by sam jacksons wig

  • May 14, 2011, 12:05 p.m. CST

    Mr Jackson, beware the Rangdo...

    by Mister Vertue

    Gronda! Gronda!

  • Thought we would have had alot more input this week from "The Man..."

  • May 14, 2011, 12:07 p.m. CST

    Octavian- what are you on, mate? Distictively average?

    by sam jacksons wig

    Are you FUBAR? Do you watch Who often? Mate, just..................NO!!!

  • May 14, 2011, 12:08 p.m. CST

    christian_bale- you're fingers are faster than mine this week!!! Damn you!!!

    by sam jacksons wig

  • May 14, 2011, 12:09 p.m. CST


    by frozen01

    Honestly, I don't even think I'd watch 12 channels. I dumped cable completely about 6 months ago. Most of the shows I watch, even cable ones, are on Hulu. Between that, Netflix, and our favorite "yar matey" site, I'm set. Unfortunately I still have to give money to Comcast for internet :\

  • May 14, 2011, 12:12 p.m. CST

    man_of_vertue - I never considered myself one of the HOMO SUPERIOR....

    by sam jacksons wig

    ...for obvious reasons!!!!! And as for "Breaking out".....

  • May 14, 2011, 12:13 p.m. CST

    25 minutes to go!!!! Yup yup yup.....

    by sam jacksons wig

  • May 14, 2011, 12:15 p.m. CST



    Make sure you inform your wife of this week's development involving my fingers!

  • May 14, 2011, 12:16 p.m. CST

    Sounds like US TV is complex and utter shite.

    by sam jacksons wig

    Fuck all this stupid fucking complex subscription charges. £49 a month to Sky and you get everything! Movies, Sport and a cunt load of other channels to suit anyones delectation.

  • May 14, 2011, 12:17 p.m. CST

    V'Shael is too busy trying not to scare the hare


    Keep your fingers crossed for him. He might win a prize!

  • May 14, 2011, 12:19 p.m. CST

    Fuck! Wife is off to Anderson Cancer Centre in Texas later in the year!

    by sam jacksons wig

    I have never been to the States! It is part of her job, yes, but she will get some R&R whilst there. 3 fucking weeks!!! I am in the wrong job.... ;)

  • May 14, 2011, 12:20 p.m. CST

    Dammit - who were the doozlers?

    by Perigee

    I'm sure it was either "The Tomorrow People," or some other show where this group of kids figured out they were on a giant spaceship instead of a planet. Instead of sensibly "Beaming" hither and yon, they "Doozled." This has now gotten my pet goat, and Google is not friendly to "Doozle." Halp!

  • May 14, 2011, 12:24 p.m. CST

    c'mon over to the East Coast, Sam

    by Perigee

    I can put you up on the couch. Nothing in Texas anyway but steers and queers; we're in striking distance of DC, NYC, Philly and the Joisey Shore. Plus, with the exchange rate, you can live like a low-budget king amongst all us wage-scrapers.

  • May 14, 2011, 12:29 p.m. CST



  • May 14, 2011, 12:31 p.m. CST


    by freakshowmonkey

    Transporting was "jaunting" in the Tomorrow People...Don't recognize Doozling...

  • What I called before a feature film split into episodes. Edge of Darkness was probably the first and greatest examples of this. It isn't a series of separate stories leading to an eventual conclusion of an arc - eg LOM/ATA. It's a single film with a 7-hour running time chopped up into bit-size pieces. So right now, two episodes in, we're still only in the first act - characters being introduced, plot lines being set in motion, just a few facts established. No-one knows what the hell's going on - characters or viewers. And despite my earlier comments about a liking for long-running good quality shows in the US - this is something only a broadcaster not reliant on advertising can get away with. We won't really know if The Shadow Line has been worth watching until at least the second act in a couple of episodes time.

  • May 14, 2011, 12:40 p.m. CST

    Average when compared to how it was hyped.

    by Octavian

    I was given the impression by Moffat and the Beeb that what I was about to see this series was something above and beyond the normal television we have come to expect from mortal man. That was the pitch six weeks out. It hasn't been delivered so far, but even the opening to ep 4 has shown more gumption than the previous three put together. See you in 45 minutes!

  • Damn, that was such high quality TV ... one of the greatest things I have ever watched on the box.

  • May 14, 2011, 12:44 p.m. CST

    How are people confused by these things

    by glenn_the_frog

    1-River and the swimming pool. The Doctor didn't change history... the Tardis was ALWAYS there to catch her. He and River are both timetravelers, they're used to leaving notes and them EVENTUALLY reaching the other. It doesn't matter when the Doctor gets the message (it can be millions of years) since, once he gets it, he can go back to exactly what moment he needs to. 2-The Big Bang. the badguys (presumably the Silence) set up a trap using AMY'S MEMORIES, and she was the key because she was exposed to the rift her entire life. Thats why there were roman soldiers and a pandora's box. She was the secret trap, but she was also the way out. The doctor got managed to leave her a strong memory about "something old, new, borrowed, and blue" which triggered at her wedding, which let the Doctor free. Everyone remembered him immediately at that point, Amy, Rory, and River... no alternate reality. AFTER that adventure, River went on to have the adventure with the Angels... which happened beforehand with the doctor. Again, no alternate reality. Just her and the Doc on alternate routes.

  • May 14, 2011, 12:49 p.m. CST

    What makes you think I would EVER give you back???

    by sam jacksons wig

    One of the greatest lines ever in Who.... ...and Live pause is just fantastic, don't you think????

  • May 14, 2011, 12:50 p.m. CST

    perigee - you made me genuinely laugh

    by Mister Vertue

    And that doesn't happen often. Doozling? I may have to steal that word away from you and use it at some point in the future. And as someone who is obviously homo superior to us both pointed out, it was indeed 'jaunting'. Enjoy the show girls and boys!

  • May 14, 2011, 1:07 p.m. CST


    by frozen01

    It's Texas, hun, don't be too jealous ;) And don't be enticed by perigree's talk. You don't wanna go to a place called New England, do you? Come to Chicago! We've got blues, world-famous shopping, renowned restaurants, enormous public gardens, the most beautiful lakefront in America, and a lawn mower with your name on it ;)

  • May 14, 2011, 1:09 p.m. CST

    Did you wish REALLY hard?? Another classic line!!

    by sam jacksons wig

  • May 14, 2011, 1:17 p.m. CST

    fucking hell

    by TinSpider

    that was incredible.

  • May 14, 2011, 1:18 p.m. CST


    by MotherPussBucket

    that was brilliant. Neil Gaiman's still got it!

  • May 14, 2011, 1:20 p.m. CST

    this is the golden age of dr who

    by 1st and only

    Loved that episode, have to say its my fave. So much character, so much revealed and to be revealed. Just great sci-fi...and somehow its British!

  • May 14, 2011, 1:21 p.m. CST


    by Octavian

    Funny, clever, creepy, original, magnificent. (Doctor with a sonic screwdriver with a blue light... Hmmm...) "Oh my beautiful idiot." Joyous from start to finish. Eighteen or so hours of Matt Smith and at last we get a bona fide classic.

  • May 14, 2011, 1:21 p.m. CST

    It's over. Distinctly average until very near the end.

    by sam jacksons wig

    V'Shael- begin to defend......

  • May 14, 2011, 1:23 p.m. CST



    My God. I thought this episode would be good but it was SO much more than I thought it would be. At first I thought that the concept behind Jones' character was silly but, by the end of the episode, I totally got behind it. IN GAIMAN WE TRUST!

  • May 14, 2011, 1:23 p.m. CST

    Ten out of ten. But not entirely flawless.

    by V'Shael

    I loved the hell out of it. And I was teary eyed at the end. "Where's my thief?!!"

  • May 14, 2011, 1:25 p.m. CST

    Reports flooding in on Facebook, too

    by frozen01

    At least from my British friends. The words "best", "episode", and "ever" may or may not be used in the same sentence. Alright, the next 4.5 hours need to go very, very quickly!

  • May 14, 2011, 1:25 p.m. CST

    neil gaiman wrote it?

    by 1st and only

    oh, that explains it! No wonder it was so special..

  • May 14, 2011, 1:27 p.m. CST

    Not the best and not the worst. Surranne Jones was superb however.

    by sam jacksons wig

    Amy did nothing. Rory was mildly entertaining. The Doctor...... discovering a new relationship with an old friend was great TV. The house? Useless. Seeing Tennants control room? MAGIC!!!

  • May 14, 2011, 1:27 p.m. CST

    Fucking awesome

    by palimpsest

    Best single ep since Blink. A treat.

  • May 14, 2011, 1:28 p.m. CST


    by Kelvington

    THE RANI? Really? YOU GOT TO BE KIDDING ME!! Oh yea... I am... No actual spoilers here, but I will be curious what everyone thought.

  • May 14, 2011, 1:28 p.m. CST

    30 control rooms saved? Bring on more WHO!!!

    by sam jacksons wig

  • May 14, 2011, 1:30 p.m. CST

    palimpsest - agreed. sam - agreed on Suranne comment.

    by TinSpider

    She filled me with funny feelings. Brilliant performance.

  • May 14, 2011, 1:31 p.m. CST

    Loved the darkness of the Amy / Rory scenes!


    One of my favorite bits from that episode was Fake Rory's anger at having been left after he waited all of those years for Amy and then dying with "HATE AMY" and "KILL AMY" scratched into the walls around him. I heard that the episode was previously written for season one during the time when Rory was 'dead'. I'm very glad that they kept it behind for this season otherwise we wouldn't have gotten those new scenes. I can't really think of anything I hated in the episode. It was all excellent.

  • May 14, 2011, 1:32 p.m. CST

    Didn't mean to write "season one" there


    I meant Season Five. Fuck the non-existent edit function on this site.

  • May 14, 2011, 1:32 p.m. CST

    Sorry guys, It wasn't as good as Impossible Astronaut.

    by sam jacksons wig

    Or Blink. Or Amys Choice. It was good Who, but definately not as great as fellow Who-vians are extolling. Surranne Jones was magnificent. Some of the dialogue I have already mentioned was magnificent. The House was a redundant enemy. I did not feel any of its malelovence at all.

  • May 14, 2011, 1:34 p.m. CST

    A taste of Delirium

    by MrJJonz

    That's what I got from early on in the episode. Really enjoyed that. Thankyou Mr Gaiman. Here's hoping you will return again.

  • May 14, 2011, 1:36 p.m. CST

    My Revised List Of Favorite Eleventh Doctor Episodes


    1. The Pandorica Opens 2. The Doctor's Wife 3. The Eleventh Hour 4. Amy's Choice 5. The Impossible Astronaut 6. The Big Bang 7. The Time Of Angels 8. Day Of The Moon 9. Flesh And Stone 10. Vincent And The Doctor 11. A Christmas Carol 12. The Lodger 13. The Curse Of The Black Spot 14. The Vampires Of Venice 15. The Beast Below 16. The Hungry Earth 17. Cold Blood 18. Victory Of The Daleks

  • May 14, 2011, 1:36 p.m. CST

    Distinct, but not average...

    by Rob Sloane

    ...and works on a number of levels. It works because of Matt Smith giving 120% to the central conceit of the mad man having stolen a TARDIS for 'the hell of it'. It works because of the conceit of the TARDIS being sentient and sharing empathy with the Doctor -to the extent that it is a genuine relationship. It works because of the story telling is fast paced and witty with memorable lines and doesn't dwell on the SF trappings of the episode. It's also great fun to see "the Jeffrey tubes" of the TARDIS interior. "House" 'haunting' the TARDIS is a nice play on tropes and in summation the episode contains enough good ideas for a series, let alone a standalone. Valley of the dead TARDIS's? Very cool! I've forgotten all about the 'black spot' (and it's production errors) and the po-faced silliness of the opening two episodes (which just weren't ANY FUN at all) and I'm invested again in Matt Smith and the TARDIS. 9.0 scarab beetles out of an ancient cursed sarcophagus of 10. Keep cool, Ummphoo

  • Isn't that like saying 10 is more than 1 million. This was by far for me one of the greatest episodes of Who ever. Funny, heart-breaking, true to canon and there are future Tardis consols already stored in there !!!

  • May 14, 2011, 1:37 p.m. CST


    by 2LeggedFreak

    Isn't that like saying a million is more than 10 --i.e. slightly understating it. Oh wow !!!

  • May 14, 2011, 1:38 p.m. CST

    So what if The House was vacant?

    by Octavian

    The rest of the episode was full to the very meniscus. The dialogue was simply marvellous, and the episode crackled with humour and great ideas. Please God we get more of this entertainment and less of Moffat's intolerable "look at me" smartarsery.

  • Thank you Jesus!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

  • May 14, 2011, 1:39 p.m. CST

    Wow I freakin loved that - CONTAINS SPOILERS -

    by theGoldbergV

    Not a massive new Who fan, never really bothered with RTD's version, but used to love the old episodes when I was a kid. Ever since Moffat took over I've watched it and its just got better and better. This one was Old Rory, freaky frankenstein people, the character of the Tardis, angry Doctor, all the little asides of backstory, it was just wonderful. And I never use that word. But it seems to sum up that episode perfectly. I read an interview with Gaiman where he said this ep was originally planned for last year, so that might account for why Rory didn't do much but overall this was a cracking little stand-alone and much needed after last week's underwhelming installment. Great stuff. Keep it up Moff and Co

  • It is definately not Smiths best either. Amys Choice holds that award. Because it was Gaiman I think some are coating it in gold. I love Gaiman, the writing in parts was outstanding but the ep had nothing special beyond Smiths relationship with Idris (which was magnificent). And Smith (with the exception of the end) was no better than he was last week. What changed Who-vians opinions??? The writer.....

  • May 14, 2011, 1:40 p.m. CST


    by 2LeggedFreak

    I'd have the Eleventh Hour first in my list because it set the template for what was to come...then the Doctors wife. Crikey I'm not going to get over this episode in a rush. After a distinctly ho hum feeling about this series this was like being hit with a very large stick, very hard. Stunned.

  • May 14, 2011, 1:40 p.m. CST

    You're going to LOVE it, axcel1



  • May 14, 2011, 1:42 p.m. CST

    Guys, please

    by frozen01

    Please put potential spoilers in the body of your comments, and tag your subject lines with spoiler alerts!!!!!!! Even if it's small. Thank you!

  • May 14, 2011, 1:44 p.m. CST

    christian_bale- NOO! How can this be better than Amys choice???

    by sam jacksons wig

    It was great Who, but it wasn't the bestest thing that others are making out it was!!

  • May 14, 2011, 1:44 p.m. CST


    by 2LeggedFreak

    If I politely may say had a downer on this episode before it came on. Whats different about this weeks Doctor to last weeks...he was effective...he didn't dick about like a gawpy extra from a Carry On film...he got stuck in and sorted things from the get go. And I'm sorry mate but as others have said, there is enough packed in this one episode to make a series. Absolutely fantastic all all levels. Yes Amy and Rory were sidelined but thats because it was a love story about the Doctor and his missus.

  • May 14, 2011, 1:46 p.m. CST

    I reckon the TARDIS has future showrunners stored in her

    by Seph_J

    console too..... Neil Gaiman? If Moffat ever does have to go, I'd be happy with that choice...

  • May 14, 2011, 1:46 p.m. CST

    ah.. the adventure game...

    by emeraldboy

    that takes me back......

  • May 14, 2011, 1:47 p.m. CST


    by HornOrSilk

    The Doctor's Wife is not an Aztec woman. Sorry to spoil that for you. Though he did get engaged with one... once upon a time.

  • May 14, 2011, 1:48 p.m. CST



    Whilst I understand your reasoning, my list is based on the WOW! factor I experienced after watching each one. "The Pandorica Opens" remains at the top of my list for that very reason. It was a wonderfully-paced episode with lots of great moments, topped off by me saying "Fucking hell!" at the end of the episode. Don't get me wrong - I love the hell out of "The Eleventh Hour" which is why it's also very close to the top. I just love the episodes above it a little bit more, and it didn't move me quite as much as "The Doctor's Wife" did or knock me down like "The Pandorica Opens" did. No matter how good next week's episode is, it's going to suffer because of where it's placed. I feel very sorry for that episode's writer.

  • I love Gaiman. I love his works. I was stunned he wrote this! However, apart from the Doc and his relationship with Surranne Jones (the "hello" line had me dancing!!!) the rest was distinctly average Who. To say that I had a downer on the ep is totally untrue, my friend. TOTALLY untrue.

  • May 14, 2011, 1:49 p.m. CST

    That was fucking BRILLIANT!!!!

    by Gabba-UK

    That's the best episode of the Matt Smith era so far. Will freely admit to being in tears at the end. Plus if your going to put the embodiment of a TARDIS in a human form, you can't get much better than Suranne Jones. "Did you wish reeeeaaally hard?" Funny as hell.

  • May 14, 2011, 1:49 p.m. CST

    I'm out of step with the majority of Who fans I reckon

    by theGoldbergV

    of last years episodes the only ones I realy didn't like was Amy's Choice and Vincent and the Doctor. For me neither of those had a good grasp on the character of the Doctor. Neither did last week's. Here he was unpredictable, frightening, aloof and very, very mad. Thats what I want from my Doctor. This was the first non-Moffat ep in a while where you really got a sense of the extended universe, the passage of time and the history of the series. I hope more of the other writers embrace this trait

  • May 14, 2011, 1:51 p.m. CST

    Well said 2leggedfreak (spoilers)

    by TinSpider

    This for my money was definatel as good as Blink. It had a brilliant feel to it. Almost like the Monty Python films. It was quirtky and so very british. <br> House wasn't threatening to the Doctor but I thought that was the point. The Doctor was one step ahead of him and kicked his ass but Amy and Rory were really fucked with. The goodbye scene was heartbreaking. It just worked on many levels.

  • May 14, 2011, 1:51 p.m. CST

    My top three XI's...

    by Rob Sloane

    ..."Vincent and the Doctor" -just very special. ..."The Pandorica..." both episodes were a lot of fun and tied up Moff's S5 conceits nicely. ..."The Doctors Wife"... dripping with love for "Who" canon. Gaiman is clearly a geek. Keep cool, Ummphoo

  • May 14, 2011, 1:52 p.m. CST


    by Seph_J

    was I imagining it.. or... did I hear... the voice of a particular time lords 8th regeneration coming out of a box......? anyone???

  • May 14, 2011, 1:53 p.m. CST

    apologies for such bad grammar

    by theGoldbergV

    one day I will proof read here. One day.

  • May 14, 2011, 1:53 p.m. CST

    Sam Jackson's Wig


    Me saying that "The Doctor's Wife" is a great episode, doesn't diminish the awesomeness of "Amy's Choice". Both are extraordinary episodes. And I would have to disagree with you, my afro friend. It was the bestest thing. Certainly the bestest thing this season so far and, in my opinion, the second bestest episode since The Doctor's chin grew bigger. We'll still have our mutual appreciation for "Curse Of The Black Spot" though, buddy!

  • Shhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh, no none say anything for the next 45+ minutes!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! lololololololol

  • May 14, 2011, 1:53 p.m. CST

    thegoldbergv- I'm just fucking stunned.....just stunned.

    by sam jacksons wig

    In one sentence you've managed to diss two of the greatest episodes of nu-who. Fucking.....................hell..............

  • May 14, 2011, 1:53 p.m. CST


    by McBegbie

    The best episode of the Smith/Moffat run so far, the boy Gaiman done good.

  • May 14, 2011, 1:56 p.m. CST

    My favorite line from this episode..


    "I... don't know what to do" Delivered perfectly by Smith and then followed by a slap to the face for comedic effect!

  • May 14, 2011, 1:56 p.m. CST

    christian_bale- in you I trust, my straight talking friend.

    by sam jacksons wig

  • May 14, 2011, 1:57 p.m. CST

    Red Drawf

    by CartoonScott

    I wonder what people will make of this next remark? How about in the future the Doc finds away of making the Tardis something he can talk to all of the time, like how the Red Drawf crew could talk to Holly (the ship computer) as a talking head on a computer screen. Like the Doc the computer face could change over the years. I really liked this episode, I agree if you stand back and pick at it you could say it was silly, but I thought the performances were great and the episode was charged with subtle emotion and bags full of charm. I think this series has been really good so far for mature viewers. I really didnt like the pirate episode but my daughter (6) loved that one the most as it was easy to gasp and a visual treat for her young mind.

  • May 14, 2011, 1:57 p.m. CST

    Entertaining enough but ultimately disappointing

    by Corwin_X2

    I was hoping those opining that mad-lady was the Tardis were wrong. Oh well. The story was fine, a lot of the dialog was great, but the tone was completely wrong; a total misstep. They played what should have been a tragedy as a tragi-comedy. Why? Think back over the episode and imagine if it had been played in the same tone as Parting of the Ways or Doomsday. The Tardis looking at the dead bodies of her sisters should have brought tears to the eyes - not a three-second throw away line that the Doctor shrugs his shoulders over before going all manic again. And the answer to why he can't give the Tardis a voice again - Time Lords discovered ... 11th dimensional bullshit ... yes it's spacey-wacey stuff. Please!

  • May 14, 2011, 1:59 p.m. CST

    Stunning but Amy is becoming unwatchable to me ...


    Probably in the top 5-6 episodes since Who returned in 2005 ... Second only to the 11th hour for Smith but I just cannot get on board with Amy ... I dislike the character more with each passing week. I've tried, boy have I tried but all I do now is imagine what the episodes would be like with a stronger companion who actually respected the Doctor ...

  • May 14, 2011, 1:59 p.m. CST

    Sam Jackson's Wig

    by theGoldbergV

    I know. I KNOW. I should admit to a slight bias against all things Richard Curtis but I honestly gave that episode a fair go. But I hated it. Like most of Curtis' work, I found it wrapped up in its own cutesyness. I know thats not a word. But there it is. As for Amy's choice. Well its been a while since I saw it (and I have only seen it once) but I remember thinking it didn't live up to its premise. But each to his own. Thats whats great about this show. Anything can happen, and people all have thier favourites. My favourite so far of Moffat's run was the Christmas special just gone. Thought that one was amazing

  • May 14, 2011, 2 p.m. CST

    And Confidential this week is essential viewing

    by palimpsest

    Basically 45 mins of Gaiman geeking out on WHO sets.

  • May 14, 2011, 2 p.m. CST


    by Rob Sloane is the rest of the series going to compete? This is what "Who" should be -fascinating, compelling and FUN... something the Moff needs to be reminded of each-and-every-time he rants about spoilers. OK - I'm in a high enough mood to watch Eurovision... didn't think I'd ever write THAT! Keep cool, Ummphoo

  • May 14, 2011, 2:02 p.m. CST

    That's it

    by frozen01

    Leaving the Docback until I can see the episode myself. In the meanwhile, I'm going to pretend I didn't just read that. See you all in about 5 hours, probably long after most of you have gone to bed :P

  • May 14, 2011, 2:11 p.m. CST


    by CartoonScott

    "And the answer to why he can't give the Tardis a voice again - Time Lords discovered ... 11th dimensional bullshit ... yes it's spacey-wacey stuff. Please!" It's a TV show, they can make up any loophole they bloody want

  • May 14, 2011, 2:12 p.m. CST

    "ginge_muppet, I'll say this" by man_of_vertue


    Vertue ... you weren't wrong my man ... That was the episode this series needed and so much more. When you know you've seen one that will be talked about for years to come its a good day. I just pray that the two-parter coming up is at least solid ...

  • May 14, 2011, 2:20 p.m. CST


    by Seph_J

    Damnit it's Paul McGann at 07:25. "If you are receiving this message please help me. Send a signal to the High Council of the Time Lords. Tell them I'm still alive.I don't know where I am, I'm on some rock-like planet." The doctor: "That's impossible."

  • May 14, 2011, 2:20 p.m. CST

    I reckon that V'Shael...

    by CHRISTIAN_BALE_TRASHED_MY_LIGHTS the House. That's why he's not been around today. He was too busy trying to steal the TARDIS.

  • May 14, 2011, 2:26 p.m. CST


    by alex

    Dude - I could not have articulated it any better myself. For all the incessant whinging, and nit-picking - every single one of your points makes sense! Even your choice of favourite episodes was very much in synch with mine (and with most people's to be fair!) But, your comments about RTD and The Moff were right on the money. While I've always loved Who, and hopefully always will - I do feel that Moff is beginning to tie his Who-niverse in knots with all the crossovers / parallels / references and so on. While RTD may have had a sort of "Throw it at the wall and see what sticks" type mentality, he did, exactly like you said, have an absolute gift of being able to hit the huge syrupy emotional beats in the series. I too have my fingers crossed for a return to, the occasional two (or even three parter), but a standard of series where we get some character development, and a whole host of gentle scares, without the continual dripping of alternate timelines / universes / alternatives and so on. Mate - based on your articulation here, you've missed your calling. Is that the Cloister Bell I hear?

  • May 14, 2011, 2:28 p.m. CST

    Amy Pond -

    by alex

    And here annoying "herky jerky" way of talking, and her gangly presence are beginning to ruin Who for me too!

  • May 14, 2011, 2:33 p.m. CST


    by Corwin_X2

    Yes they can. And lazy writers do it all the time to avoid coming up with something convincing that advances the story. That, after all, was what technobabble was specifically created for - getting lazy writers out of trouble.

  • May 14, 2011, 2:36 p.m. CST

    The Doctor's Beard

    by HornOrSilk

    If this had been written by RTD...

  • May 14, 2011, 2:36 p.m. CST

    Different level of writing to season opener.

    by rosasaks

    Although as an episode it had very different aims. Has the virtue of actually feeling like an episode of Doctor Who, as opposed to fan fiction. But it was literate too, with a deeper reservoir of inspirations than normal. Oh, a complaint. If every week a call back conversation is going to be inserted on a generic set in which Rory and Amy can helpfully inform the audience that they know the Doctor is going to get shot and they haven't told him this yet and are somewhat conflicted what to do, but not enough for it to intrude on the story of the week, then that's going to get a bit silly, isn't it. Thoughts on the remark "The only water in the forest is the river" ? Wonder what other foreshadowing was slipped in among earlier dialogue. With regards to The Shadow Line, I agree it would be very easy to parody the extent to which almost every character has some sort of extreme personality tick, it kind of works okay and presumably the plot is going to subvert some genre expectations. It has a nice visual style too, and I can't see it collapsing into silliness at all. So far the appropriations from other sources are smart, and the narrative is tight. Nice use of that No Country For Old Men swerve, for instance. Incidentally, was it my imagination, or were there a couple of nods to the film Dead Man in the Impossible Astronaut?

  • May 14, 2011, 2:37 p.m. CST

    As I said, Amy did nothing for me this episode.

    by sam jacksons wig

    She was completely superfluous to needs, except to torment. Rory was the more entertaining of the two. By far......

  • May 14, 2011, 2:37 p.m. CST

    Paul McGann's Doctor returns....

    by Glennascaul

    Listen to the SOS on the OOD's voice sphere.... "If you are receiving this message, please help me...send a signal to the High Council of the Time Lords of Gallifrey...tell them that...I am still alive...I don't know where I am...I'm on some....rock-like planet....." Bring it on!!!!!!!!

  • I liked....... but wasn't blown away.

  • May 14, 2011, 2:44 p.m. CST

    glennascaul- wasn't that part ORGASMIC????

    by sam jacksons wig

    I JUST HOPE we see him in the future! (or past depending on how you look at it.) The Yanks gave him a very raw deal in his short tenure as the Doc. He was saddled with a poxy love story that killed the Doc for nearly 10 years. Give us Born of Blood and Fire.... McGann at the helm of the Tardis charging a Dalek fleet head on!!!! Capturing the "moment", defying and destroying the Timelords!!! GIVE IT TO US NOW!!!!!!!!!!!!!

  • May 14, 2011, 2:45 p.m. CST

    We are number 1 again!!! Merrick, I thank you!!!!

    by sam jacksons wig

  • May 14, 2011, 2:46 p.m. CST

    Sam -- thanks

    by HornOrSilk

    Now I have to actually see the episode. I will comment on my thoughts later!

  • May 14, 2011, 2:47 p.m. CST

    so christian bale

    by MotherPussBucket

    you think that v'shael is really michael sheen?

  • May 14, 2011, 2:47 p.m. CST

    SPOILERS!!! and thoughts...

    by Kelvington

    First and foremost, it's been a long time coming, and FINALLY someone gets what Doctor Who is actually about! Was it the best episode ever? No, but it was amazing. And FINALLY they said, the TARDIS takes the Doctor where SHE will not where he wants to go. This has ALWAYS, ALWAYS been true, she takes him where he NEEDS to go. Something I've be decrying in DocBacks for years, and now they get it. So while I doubt it will every be mentioned again, at least now it's canon. DONE, PERIOD, END OF STORY! Really enjoyed the episode, had great concerns about building a TARDIS in a junk yard, but since it's a junkyard of scrapped TARDIS' then that's cool. Plot holes it had a few, don't think we needed to see the "Telep-a-vision" good acting would have sufficed. The deleting of rooms was a nice touch, but a little convenient, blipping them back into the main console room. And I think I would like to have seen a door or two in the hallways open up to "even older" console rooms. But overall a great episode.

  • May 14, 2011, 2:54 p.m. CST

    The Time Lord's Voice From The Box (spoiler? ish?)

    by TheFerretLives

    I actually thought it sounded more like Simm's Master? I loved the episode and can't believe some didn't but I respect their views, guess they must have been a bit like children who get too excited before Christmas and end up being sick and all cross on the day ;-) The only thing I was disappointed in was that they used Tennant's Console Room when I was hoping it was going to be one of those old white 70s Console Rooms. And the excitement of seeing more of the Tardis faded a bit when I realised it was just the same corridor over and over again! But story, dialogue, performances were top notch. I laughed out loud after the line about wishing really hard she said her name was Sexy! I'm confused though that one of the supposed spoilers about the episode, that the regeneration question would be answered, didn't come up? F

  • Just like I did. For one thing, it puts a twist on the whole "the Doctor stole the TARDIS with his granddaughter" thing. That is not a spoiler.

  • I liked seeing the old you-know-what at the end, I missed it. No spoilers.

  • May 14, 2011, 3:04 p.m. CST


    by crucio

    Best of the Smith era by far. Even with Suranne Jones looking like Elsa Lanchester she was still a babe..................... Wonder if Jones might have been a better assistant than Catherine Tate???

  • May 14, 2011, 3:07 p.m. CST

    crucio - yes she would have.....

    by sam jacksons wig

  • What God??? Are we acknowledging a supreme daiety in Who???

  • May 14, 2011, 3:12 p.m. CST

    I loved Tate...

    by Kelvington

    but seriously... here's a quarter go down town and pay some rat to chew that thing off your chin. If Sarah Jessica Parker wised up, it's time for you to do so as well. Just saying.

  • Isn't that what was said after the Doc touched the Tardis console for the first time?? He was a crotchety old fuck.

  • May 14, 2011, 3:16 p.m. CST

    Er.. Deity... my spelling is shit tonight.

    by sam jacksons wig

  • Maybe he was quite young, and he encountered the Simm Master and was prematurely aged by the end of the encounter.... ;)

  • May 14, 2011, 3:21 p.m. CST

    Watched it again

    by 2LeggedFreak

    Well you have to don't you. "Where's my Thief!!!" Smith's expressions and guilt when Idris says her name is "Sexy" Rory being the pretty one and Amy the orange one. "I don't know what to do. Thats new !!"...slap "Did you wish really hard" "Go get him girl"

  • As always having to be one step infront of Rory..... "How could you leave me???" Well done Rory! Call the bitch on it!!!

  • May 14, 2011, 3:22 p.m. CST

    sam jackson's wig and theferretlives - awesome

    by Glennascaul

    ...and after listening to it countless times on iPlayer (and feedback from others), it's spot on for McGann....doubt it's Simm, as it just doens't sound like his delivery... We can only pray for an 8 & 11 episode...maybe that photo of McGann posing with a Weta-designed sonic isn't far off the mark after all...

  • May 14, 2011, 3:25 p.m. CST


    by Seph_J

    well about the Paul McGann thing, just like to say I said it first.... but that I had the decency to put a spoiler warning on it.. unlike fuck-brain glennascaul.

  • May 14, 2011, 3:25 p.m. CST

    Oh and

    by 2LeggedFreak

    "Biting - it's like kissing, but with a winner" "It says Pull to Open!"

  • May 14, 2011, 3:25 p.m. CST

    hornorsilk - glad that was tongue in cheek mate!!!

    by sam jacksons wig

    And Hello Pretty is too close to Hello Sweetie....

  • May 14, 2011, 3:31 p.m. CST


    by Glennascaul

    Like it says at the top of the Talkback - "SPOILER NOTE... We're looking forward to WHOvians near and far conversing about all things WHO via the Talkback below. Accordingly, I'd expect a significant amount of "Doctor's Wife" SPOILAGE to start rolling in 'round late morning/early afternoon U.S. time (Saturday May 14) - which is natural as it will broadcast in the U.K. a number of hours before it appears here in the U.S. on BBC America. So, as far as this Talkback goes... Readers from U.S. and other territories? If you wanna stay virginal regarding "Wife" until you've seen it for may wish to tread very carefully herein after mid-morning U.S. time Saturday May 14, as SPOILERS may well be afoot and we won't be doing anything to discourage them after it hits in the U.K."

  • Is there more to this????

  • May 14, 2011, 3:35 p.m. CST

    glennascaul - IWANT IT NOW!!! NOW!! NOW!!!! Cue petulant child mode...

    by sam jacksons wig

    Nothing would give me more pleasure than seeing that!!!

  • May 14, 2011, 3:36 p.m. CST

    sam jacksons wig - agree - Paul McGann to Ecclestone ...

    by Corwin_X2

    Only transition we haven't seen - even the (crap) film had the decency to cameo Sylvester McCoy. It would be great to see in flashback McGann as the warrior incarnation that ended the war then, fatally wounded, regenerating into Ecclestone. Unfortunately, I strongly suspect that if the BBC could have possibly persuaded McGann to cameo in an intro/preview to Rose they would have. I can't imagine they didn't ask - and wouldn't blame him for not wanting anything to do with it after the film.

  • May 14, 2011, 3:38 p.m. CST

    The only water in the forest is the River?? Oh come on DocBackers!!!

    by sam jacksons wig

    Without giving any spoilers away, come on!!! It's so fucking obvious!!!

  • May 14, 2011, 3:39 p.m. CST

    Cue "River Song is the TARDIS" talk.

    by HornOrSilk

    "Hello, Doctor" --> "Hello, Sweetie." Of course, I don't think so. But I do think they want us to think it as a possibility.

  • May 14, 2011, 3:39 p.m. CST

    sam jacksons wig

    by Glennascaul

    Too right! It would be excellent to see Paul McGann get a fair crack of the whip after the TV movie. I really liked his Doctor and I think he and Smith would bounce off each other rather well.

  • May 14, 2011, 3:39 p.m. CST

    Back to the Beginning

    by JPKk

    The opening clip at the top of the page is much better than last week's. The initial shock value turned to shlock value the more times you see naked companion. I remember seeing the first Doctor in the 60's on CBC television. It was a Saturday afternoon; Monday in school we were all talking about the Tardis. Unfortunately CBC did not carry the series regularly. I had to wait to the 70's when TVO started carrying the Pertwee episodes, starting with the Three Doctors episode. Concerning Doctor's Wife and the Tardis, could the Tardis be imprinted with personality/memories of the Doctor's Wife. He saved River by putting her in the library memory bank, maybe he did something similar to the first wife. Geek ref: Marvel's Vision character had a mind template based on the Wonderman characte.

  • May 14, 2011, 3:40 p.m. CST

    Another Ood I failed to Save

    by 2LeggedFreak

    Sam, Yep I am expecting repercussions.

  • May 14, 2011, 3:45 p.m. CST

    2legged- you and me both. The Doc would NEVER say that!!

    by sam jacksons wig

  • May 14, 2011, 3:46 p.m. CST

    Seems Guardianistas (like weebles, only wobblier)...

    by Rob Sloane

    ...really loved them some "Who" tonight. Keep cool, Ummphoo

  • May 14, 2011, 3:46 p.m. CST

    In theory, we didn't see the Second Doctor's regeneration

    by HornOrSilk

    And several who have worked on Doctor who believe in 6b... So it's 2 and 8, really. I would love to see McGann once more on screen -- though I don't think they should do a regeneration (I once thought they should, but now, it is just -- not necessary and would be difficult to do right).

  • May 14, 2011, 3:47 p.m. CST

    Black& White memories

    by JPKk

    I point out to my media literacy students how early black & white movies often have a better visual quality than early colour movies(1950's) . Somehow the lighting and level of cinematography in the 30's and early 40's hides some of the fake-artificiality of the sound stage sets. I think this is also true when you look at some of the black and white TV in comparison to early colour television. The black & white Tardis console looks less fake and card-boardy than when viewed in colour.

  • Far as I'm aware I don't think a regeneration was even considered ... Would have been a strange way to start the series for new viewers.

  • May 14, 2011, 3:49 p.m. CST

    BTW, I'm with Sam on the episode

    by HornOrSilk

    Its good, enjoyable, but it is missing something to me and so not "the top of the top." I'm not sure what it is -- just something is off... I think it might be aspects of it being written for last season might be affecting it in a bad way making the characterizations a bit off.. maybe. I don't know. Just something wasn't "right" to me. Still it is in the top tier of Smith episodes...

  • May 14, 2011, 3:58 p.m. CST

    awesomeness beyond awesomeness

    by Martin Hogg

    i dont know why, but now that i've seen it, i know ive always wanted to see the doctor build a DIY tardis

  • May 14, 2011, 3:58 p.m. CST


    by Glennascaul

    I think you're right. If I recall correctly, the remit on the first new season was not to link back to the old ones too much. I think the Beeb wanted to play safe until they had a better idea of the audience.

  • May 14, 2011, 4:01 p.m. CST

    The scales have been lifted

    by 2LeggedFreak

    In the past when Rory and Amy have been heading off to bed and he's said "You're on top, so you'll need a ladder" I had just thought he was an incessant bragger, but now I understand.

  • As for the regeneration scene, RTD said in an interview early in the return of Doctor Who that he had no interest in bringing back McGann to do it. I really hope Moff brings him back sooner than the 50th anniversary of Who.

  • May 14, 2011, 4:11 p.m. CST



    Correct ... Was a wise move imo ... Get the show firmly back first then get complex in the future.

  • May 14, 2011, 4:14 p.m. CST

    Of course, spoilers

    by HornOrSilk

    River Song is actually the Rani's TARDIS ;)

  • May 14, 2011, 4:18 p.m. CST


    by HornOrSilk

    I think the similarity of the TARDIS with River Song's persona was done on purpose, to distract people and to make people think the two are the same. "Hello, Doctor" to "Hello, Sweetie." The way the TARDIS learned to communicate via telepathy with Rory leads to psychic paper use. The TARDIS talking out of sequence is like the TARDIS and River meeting out of sequence. There are more things -- but, of course, I think it is meant to be a dead end (or there might be some odd connection between the two without River being the TARDIS).

  • May 14, 2011, 4:20 p.m. CST

    Oh HornOrSilk..... the Rani is the Masters K9....

    by sam jacksons wig

  • May 14, 2011, 4:22 p.m. CST

    Sam, no, that was Adric

    by HornOrSilk

  • May 14, 2011, 4:28 p.m. CST

    Paul McGann...

    by Rob Sloane

    ...should be given an arc -he's a fine actor and was badly served by the poorly conceived, poorly written and poorly produced mess that was the "Doctor Who" movie. A "Time War" arc with an out-of-control and desperate VIII at the heart of a war initiated by the events he himself failed to resolve in "Genesis of the Daleks" would be all shades of awesome. I'm still getting over the buzz of such monumental fanwank that Gaiman was allowed to indulge himself in with "Doctors Wife" by the BBC -he's put canon back firmly in the sights of long term fans, managed to link ideas right back to Hartnell and it isn't a stretch to say that he's reinvigorated the series in a way that hasn't been done since the relaunch itself in 2005. I'm impressed he was allowed such largesse AND it was that important an episode. It's going to be damn hard for the rest of the series to build from this point... even though it's standalone, it may prove to be 'standout'-and-alone in S06. However, if this is signalling a willingness to embrace more of the Doctor Who timelines, backstories and history, and they can keep up the writing standards, it could be a very inspiring time. The Golden Age of SF rolls on. Let's enjoy it as long as it lasts! Keep cool, Ummphoo

  • I'm happy to say I stand corrected! F

  • May 14, 2011, 4:36 p.m. CST

    Following on from that...

    by TheFerretLives

    I don't think it will be that hard to follow that episode, excellent as it was. Next week's looks good and very different in tone and hopefully the buzz from this week will carry on as goodwill. Also remember that Blink followed Human Nature / Family of Blood (or is that the other way around?). Personally at the time I thought Blink was very good but just a hair's breath away from being as good as that two parter, so that just goes to show, er something. F

  • (Sorry, ummphoo, but, every time I see your username, I think of those Willy Wonka characters.) I'm still hoping the mid-season cliffhanger is Smith's Doctor regenerating into McGann's Doctor, temporarily, of course. I know it's not going to happen, but, I can dream, can't I?

  • May 14, 2011, 4:57 p.m. CST

    Axcel1 What if

    by HornOrSilk

    The Doctor is killed off at the end... and the only solution is to call out the 8th Doctor from the midst of the Time War to make a new Time Line? I doubt it... but... it would be one way to do an episode with the 8th Doctor..

  • May 14, 2011, 5:06 p.m. CST

    "The Golden Age of SF rolls on."

    by KilliK

    sorry to bust your balss,but Who is not scifi...

  • May 14, 2011, 5:13 p.m. CST


    by TheFerretLives

    What the hell is it then and what qualifications do you have to judge whether it is or not? It is fiction that uses science or the imaginative boundaries of science as a premise, that's pretty much an exact definition. F

  • May 14, 2011, 5:35 p.m. CST

    "Who is not scifi... "


    lol ... So wrong.

  • May 14, 2011, 5:40 p.m. CST

    not only is Who an example of Sci-fi...

    by Seph_J

    Who IS Sci-Fi. Simple as that.

  • May 14, 2011, 5:41 p.m. CST

    Good episode. The actress that played the tardis was excellent.

    by mistergreen

    Hope she shows up in future episodes.

  • May 14, 2011, 5:42 p.m. CST

    SPOILER..... and on the

    by Seph_J

    McGann thing, can we collectively confirm that that WAS his voice? It certainly seemed like it to me, but doesn't seem many others noticed it..... It was THE thing that I took away from that episode, but doesn't seem many others did...

  • I wish Moff would do something like that, he doesn't want to use any of RTD's major ideas, so, McGann's Doctor is fair game, again, let's dream on.

  • May 14, 2011, 5:50 p.m. CST

    I felt "wife" should have been a two parter.

    by Alphanumeric1971

    felt like they crammed to much into one episode.

  • May 14, 2011, 5:52 p.m. CST

    Who is not is fantasy,a fairy tale.

    by KilliK

    you can replace his sonic screwdriver and his tardis with a magic ward and a magic broomstick and you get the exact same stories. hell,the guy even managed to rebuild the universe by using a blue light and the memoirs of a ginger chick and then returned from nothingness becaquse of those memories and the chick's will to have him back.if this is how you perceive scifi then by me guest but allow me to have a different opinion about that.

  • May 14, 2011, 5:56 p.m. CST

    "can we collectively confirm that that WAS his *****?" .. Spoiler.


    Nah ... I highly doubt it ... It was the echo of a random Time Lord tricked into going to the planet. Sounded slightly like McGann but 99.9% likely it is a nothing theory.

  • May 14, 2011, 5:56 p.m. CST


    by Seph_J

    if you replace michael myers knife with a wand and his mask with a wizards hat and his bad temper with ancient wisdow, Halloween is virtually Harry Potter.

  • May 14, 2011, 5:58 p.m. CST


    by Seph_J

    sounded an awful lot like him to me. VERY much like him, indeed. And what about the Docs reaction "thats impossible".

  • May 14, 2011, 6:06 p.m. CST



    I assumed the "thats impossible" comment was just another one of those moments where the Dr gets over dramatic ... Impossible to hear another Time lord, impossible that a Time lord became trapped and needed urgent help ... that kind of thing. It it WERE his voice from the past ... why would he not remember being there, why would the Tardis not remember being there ... Hey, hope I'm wrong, McGann being involved in the future WILL happen but I don't see this being him.

  • May 14, 2011, 6:08 p.m. CST

    While I doubt it is McGann

    by HornOrSilk

    It is possible that, with the 8th Doctor being in the middle of the Time War, his own time line gets rewritten many times, so that this could be from a lost time line... and the Doctor, therefore, wouldn't remember it...

  • May 14, 2011, 6:12 p.m. CST

    ginge_muppet - McGann

    by Warren Howarth

    There was an interview with RTD i remember seeing stating that they didn't want to get McGann back for the regeneration but wanted to hit the ground running. They thought it would ruin the impact of the Eccleston regeneration at the end of the season.

  • May 14, 2011, 6:13 p.m. CST


    by Kelvington

    NOT MCGANN! I repeat, it IS NOT McGann, similar accent but not him, not even close. Perhaps it's meant to sound like him, but NO, not him. As someone who edits for a living, and listens to voices ever f-ing day. I can tell you beyond ANY doubt it's not him. I'll even bet a fiver on it! Watched it now for the third time and I really like this episode. But I know what was wrong with it... the title. It should have been called, "My Constant Companion", or "My Faithful Thief" or even something silly like "Ginger, Sailor, Timelord, Thief". But "The Doctor's Wife" was just a rubbish title, and a real red herring to boot.

  • May 14, 2011, 6:15 p.m. CST



    Possible ... but I think twisting time lines can go too far and has ruined many a good TV show and some movies ... That kind of move would be tricky, even for Moff! Like I said I could be totally wrong but this just feels like a dead end bit of hype.

  • May 14, 2011, 6:19 p.m. CST

    so really what is going on is....

    by emeraldboy

    is that events of season 5 are kind of being explained.... kind of......

  • May 14, 2011, 6:20 p.m. CST

    It was. . .okay?

    by maelstrom_ZERO

    I thought it was good. Certainly better than average, but not as godly as everyone was going on about. If I had to cherry-pick really good 11th Doctor episodes, 11th Hour, The Impossible Astronaut, Amy's Choice, and the Weeping Angels 2-parter would probably be my top picks. This episode wasn't as amazing. Perhaps it's just because I saw the episode while not getting enough sleep last night. Or maybe I was just overhyped by all the people saying that Neil Gaiman was writing and it would be mindblowing. I will admit that some of the dialogue was fantastic--but the dialogue is generally pretty fantastic, especially in Moffat-written episodes--and it was touching to see the Doctor interact with the TARDIS. But it wasn't as mindblowing as 11th Hour, or Impossible Astronaut. I don't know. Maybe I'm just getting old and jaded or something.

  • May 14, 2011, 6:20 p.m. CST


    by HornOrSilk

    Doctor Who often does twisting time lines -- and this season itself, seems to be based upon that premise (notice how it starts). Big Finish's Architects of History is an interesting way at dealing with this (in a pre-Time War era). The story is about a German Nazi who stole the TARDIS, and starts playing with time to make her own glorious future Reich. She keeps tinkering with time, making newer and newer time lines, with their own Doctors in it. Eventually, we find out how this affects a Time Lord. It's fairly well done.

  • May 14, 2011, 6:22 p.m. CST

    "They thought it would ruin the impact of the Eccleston regeneration"


    It would have .... better to feel like Eccleston had been around for a while before waving goodbye.

  • May 14, 2011, 6:23 p.m. CST

    Michael Moorcock and Neil Gaiman Together

    by HornOrSilk

    2 parter next season. Make it so. Throw in Gene Wolfe and make it a 3 parter. LOL. Imagine what those three could produce, with Neil taking the ideas and writing it all out (with suggestions from the other two). I would make it a four parter, but alas, Diana Wynne Jones died.

  • May 14, 2011, 6:27 p.m. CST

    Just another odd thing *spoilers*

    by HornOrSilk

    River Song was in a forest in.. Silence in the Library. I keep thinking, we will return to the library.

  • May 14, 2011, 6:28 p.m. CST

    My Review

    by Darth_Tarantino

    So for anyone who might be interested, my review is now up at my review blog Review The Who; Check it out if you have chance :)

  • May 14, 2011, 6:29 p.m. CST

    "I don't know. Maybe I'm just getting old and jaded or something."


    Each to their own mate ... no rule book says you have to love it. It pushed my buttons because it was personal and intense and I think thats the Doctor at his best, when an enemy or problem from his past returns and he has to turn around and face it. In this case it was his past and relationship with the Tardis itself ... brilliant!

  • May 14, 2011, 6:32 p.m. CST

    Doctor Who *is* the longest running sci-fi...

    by Rob Sloane on television. Oh and at the risk of tempting fate: whatever did happen to Dioxholster? Has he / she / it given up on SGU trollin' so soon? I kinda miss his inanity. Keep cool, Ummphoo-paloopa

  • May 14, 2011, 6:33 p.m. CST

    What happened to Dicksholder?

    by HornOrSilk

    House got a hold of him.

  • May 14, 2011, 6:34 p.m. CST


    by Seph_J

    but with the VN gone, the library isn't a forest anymore, surely? River was in another forest - onboard the byzantium... as was another type of water - pond. But then... duck pond etc. The only water in the forest is the river... is it cryptic or just very obvious? I don't know.

  • May 14, 2011, 6:37 p.m. CST


    by HornOrSilk

    The Silence are in the library..

  • May 14, 2011, 6:51 p.m. CST


    by Seph_J

    but then according to Abigail, when you're alone, silence is all you see and when you're alone, silence is all you'll be ;)

  • May 14, 2011, 6:57 p.m. CST

    If Neil Gaiman pissed in a cup his fans would line up to drink it

    by Wookie_Weed

    Seriously, it was a good episode -- it wasn't great, but it wasn't bad. It's nowhere near the BEST EPISODE OF WHO EVAH!1! People are raving about the episode like it is the best episode of Who in the entire space-time continuum... simply because they worship Gaiman so much, they have no fucking objectivity. Grow some objectivity, you freaks. You're all brainwashed in a celebrity cult.

  • May 14, 2011, 7:10 p.m. CST

    Seriously enough with Dicksholder...

    by Kelvington

    he's like fucking Beetlejuice you say his name three times and he's going to fucking show up! His show is dead, there will never be another, allow him to die off with it.

  • I won't drink it.

  • May 14, 2011, 7:15 p.m. CST

    wookie weed

    by Seph_J

    me neither

  • May 14, 2011, 7:49 p.m. CST


    by frozen01

    She was also in a forest in the Angel two-parter.

  • May 14, 2011, 7:50 p.m. CST

    Oops, sorry, seph, you beat me :)

    by frozen01

  • May 14, 2011, 7:51 p.m. CST


    by frozen01

    Not exactly. Buddy of mine from London said those exact words "best episode ever" and he's not a huge Gaiman fan. He doesn't hate his work, but he doesn't exactly follow it.

  • May 14, 2011, 7:52 p.m. CST

    "It's nowhere near the BEST EPISODE OF WHO EVAH!1! "


    Did anyone actually say it was the best episode ever?? ....... No.

  • May 14, 2011, 8:36 p.m. CST

    Excellently written episode

    by Gherkin

    Loved the interaction between the Dr and the Tardis. Not the strongest -story- but the dialogue and acting certainly was top notch and ticked all the right boxes. It deserves a high mark in Who-history. The notion that House was the final resting place of many a Time Lord is rather chilling. <br> The one thing that continues to bother me, though, is Rory. Here's a man who has 2000 years of life under his belt and he still acts like a scared schoolboy most of the time. The notion that the memories are shut behind a door doesn't change the fact that his character and mannerisms should match his experience.

  • May 14, 2011, 8:41 p.m. CST

    seph_j you argument is moronic

    by KilliK

    try again.

  • May 14, 2011, 8:42 p.m. CST

    killik ha ha

    by Seph_J

    Yes, the arguement is moronic. Thats the point. Dummy. "Doctor Who isn't Sci-fi" ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha

  • May 14, 2011, 8:50 p.m. CST


    by Ace of Wands

    and The Tomorrow People nicked Jaunting from Alfred Bester's classic The Stars My Destination

  • May 14, 2011, 8:51 p.m. CST

    "seph_j you argument is moronic"


    Ah sod it ... I thought this week was going too smoothly, the troll has arrived. Get back in your fucking cave.

  • May 14, 2011, 8:56 p.m. CST

    seph_j your argument is moronic

    by KilliK

    because Mayers and Harry Potter are two completely different characters.Giving them the same clothes and accessories does not make them the same do understand that right?

  • May 14, 2011, 8:56 p.m. CST

    sci-fic: a workable definition

    by JPKk

    A definition of what and what isn't science fiction has been going on for a very long time. With my students I broke it down this way: 1. Science fiction is a part of fantasy literature whose narrative is based on speculations about science. 2. You can break down the categories of science speculations into roughly three groups: Hard/Technological Speculations Soft/Sociological Speculations 3.Metaphysical/ Time& Alternative Reality Speculations Any piece of science fiction works with some combination of the above categories. Emphasis is often placed on one or two categories. Based on the above range, then yes Dr. Who is science fiction. It is seldom built around Hard Spec. . It is definitely Metaphysical and often Soft Spec. . Let the debating continue.

  • May 14, 2011, 8:59 p.m. CST

    Metaphysical is a core part of the Fantasy genre,so

    by KilliK

    Dr Who is indeed in the fantasy genre.thank you for proving my point mdiat.

  • May 14, 2011, 9:02 p.m. CST


    by Seph_J

    your point was that Doctor Who is NOT sci-fi. Don't twist things around now....

  • May 14, 2011, 9:05 p.m. CST

    by Seph_J

    Killik: "Who is not is fantasy,a fairy tale. you can replace his sonic screwdriver and his tardis with a magic ward and a magic broomstick and you get the exact same stories." Killik: "because Mayers and Harry Potter are two completely different characters.Giving them the same clothes and accessories does not make them the same do understand that right?" Erm... ok mate... you can't win an argument just by hedging your bets and saying both sides of it!

  • May 14, 2011, 9:05 p.m. CST

    Still being fisted

    by PeanutButterSlut

    by Who. Thanks.

  • May 14, 2011, 9:06 p.m. CST

    Wonderful episode except for ....

    by JPKk

    The cosmic force that created TV viewer-interuptus. Started Friday when I tried to watch finale of Smallville, and kept getting important long distance calls at key moments in the episode, like the very end! Happened again with Dr. Who. I'll have to watch again to see what I missed and read your comments. From the point of this episode giving us an insight into the Doctor and the Amy-Rory relationship, I felt it was excellent. it had a wonderful mood. And it was a great piece of Metaphysical Speculative Fiction.

  • May 14, 2011, 9:21 p.m. CST

    You are welcome Kilik, but you did,t pass the quiz

    by JPKk

    You got the point that Dr. Who is Metaphysical Speculative Fiction. You missed the point that that is a part of what you term science fiction. All science fiction is part of fantasy literature. Other forms of fantasy literature use different world views, like Harry Potter, Dracula, or Alice in Wonderland . If all the science in a science fiction narrative must completely explainable and based on hard science and technology, then you have eliminated such classics as, Frankenstein, Gullivar's Travels, Dune, A Childhood's End, A Stranger in A Strange Land, A Hitchhiker's Guide to the Galexy, and the works of Philip K. Dick .

  • May 14, 2011, 9:28 p.m. CST

    Time pass the quiz

    by JPKk

    Sorry, Time pass includes question 1 and 2. You missed questions 3 and 4. You must distinguish between types of science and give examples of acceptable science fiction. For example, Doctor's Wife episode was very steampunk in atmosphere and style.

  • May 14, 2011, 9:30 p.m. CST


    by JPKk

    I can only see new posts after I sign off. Is this typical on this site or is it Foxfire browser ?

  • May 14, 2011, 9:33 p.m. CST

    Help - New post Titles popping on and off

    by JPKk

    Anyone else having problems ?

  • May 14, 2011, 9:46 p.m. CST


    by frozen01

    The whole point of science fiction is to dream of what cannot currently be done. For something to be completely explainable and based solidly in "hard science and technology", you're limiting yourself far too much. You're unable, at that point, to explore the impossible. Agree 100%. All sci-fi is fantasy.

  • May 14, 2011, 9:57 p.m. CST


    by Seph_J

    8th Doctor voice comparison....

  • May 14, 2011, 10 p.m. CST

    Where's my thief?

    by Dreamfasting

    Wonderful madness. The story was so small, so intimate and yet so sweeping and epic. Idris was a wonderful foil for the Doctor - perfectly conceived. At first I was a little shocked at how easily they upset the notion of being "last of the time lords" with a simple wave of the hands, but the "little boxes" scene was soooo worth it.

  • May 14, 2011, 10:01 p.m. CST

    Spoilery things, etc etc.

    by timesfool

    Have to agree with so much that's already been said: **This should have been in two parts **Great dialog **Surannah Jones is a miracle **Ood! **Think we might get another visit to the Library I'm a fan of Gaiman but I feel they didn't give him enough room here and too many opportunities were missed. The main problem being the villain of the piece, this "House" whatever it is, because we really don't know and so his menace is limited. If it turns out he has something to do with the Silence, that's another matter, but for all intents and purposes, he seems a one-off and could have been fleshed out more (so to speak). The heart of this story is the relationship between the Doctor and his Tardis and that should have been the focus. With any luck, they will find a way to bring Jones' back, the smart money is on it. Still the questions keep coming: **If "Idris" is a human woman used by House to 'house' the soul of the Tardis, who was Idris before? Does it matter? Why did her body evaporate in the Tardis instead of die as was intimated throughout the episode? Just nitpicking stuff. **Did the Doctor imply that he never said anything about fish fingers before? Can't remember the entire conversation with Idris, went by so fast, but sounded like he was confused about the reference. Even with the re-boot of the universe, little Amelia meeting the Doctor still happened, yes? Fish fingers and custard still happened? Amy does swear on it in TIA, so, I'm guessing it did, but who knows about the universe anymore. **Still bothered by Rory "remembering" being an Auton. This is starting to sound more and more like an error by the writing team that they are never going to answer for. Really hoping there is some clarity on its way because we are so all over the place with this series of Who and I'm worried no amount of explaining is going to help. In fact, explanations shouldn't be necessary. Good writing shows you, doesn't tell you. After two convoluted, one very poor and now one exciting but hastily executed episode I'm starting to think the producers still regard this show as something for children while dressing it up in adult clothes. This is a shame. They could go so much further. They've got so much to play with and so many good players.

  • May 14, 2011, 10:06 p.m. CST

    seph_j Nice video... still not him...

    by Kelvington

    It's not McGann, it's not the Rani, and Amy's house is NOT a TARDIS. LOL I'll admit, similar accents, but not similar voices. Still have a fiver on it if you wish.

  • May 14, 2011, 10:11 p.m. CST


    by JPKk

    Yes ! To dream is to speculate, you can not stop at what is known/considered a certainty when you write/create science fiction. If you limit it, then at best you have a techno-thriller. The toughest time I had helping students was when they couldn't accept the possibilities. They were the ones who would say science fiction and fantasy couldn't be "TRUE" because it wasn't "REAL". I kept pointing them in the direction of literature and media where the reality of the characters and the understanding of society/the human condition was more important, than whether a sonic screwdriver could really work or worrying that magic wands are not real. Just because the story takes place in the everyday reality that we all face does not make it the characters "REAL" or the story "TRUE".

  • May 14, 2011, 10:16 p.m. CST

    McGann... spoilerish possibly

    by johndillingers20inchseveredcock

    I don't know if anyone else has pointed this out, but months ago, McGann suddenly appeared at a convention in what he described as an updated Eighth Doctor costume to be used for... promotional purposes? And he had a new sonic screwdriver with a wooden handle. I think there may very well be some McGann on the way. Mid-season game-changing cliffhanger? I don't know if they'd be able to talk Eccleston into appearing in a regeneration flashback. RTD said early on that introducing the character to a new audience the way McGann's Doctor was introduced--quick cameo then regeneration into the new lead before the audience even knew who the character was--would have been a mistake. McGann's long overdue.

  • May 14, 2011, 10:21 p.m. CST

    Eccleston will not return...

    by Kelvington

    He did an interview a few weeks ago and said he wouldn't return to Who, because it like swimming in the same river twice. Whatever that means. I would love to see McGann again, but other than in the 50th anniversary special, we won't see him again either. Even though it would be awesome to make a series or two around him and the time war.

  • May 14, 2011, 10:22 p.m. CST

    Why House ?

    by JPKk

    Was this name a throw-away or does it have some kind of significance ? We have Amy's house with cracks in time and extra rooms. We have house in the Lodger episode with extra rooms and a Tardis console. Is it a red herring or a clue/foreshadowing ? Is foreshadowing in a time travel narrative post-shadowing ? Are every Tardis / Time machine sentient ?

  • May 14, 2011, 10:29 p.m. CST

    Eccleston can swim ......

    by JPKk

    He can swim where wants, but he isn't getting near River. The fact that he said that shows that he has not paid any attention to the show since he left. His work and the episodes were good, but I never cared for his portrayal. He was troubled and dark, but unfortunately often seemed a bit too cold and distant.

  • May 14, 2011, 10:37 p.m. CST

    All TARDIS' are sentient...

    by Kelvington

    They are alive, they are technically grown, but they are both alive and sentient. Not just the Doctors.

  • May 14, 2011, 10:49 p.m. CST

    The Silence's Tardis ?

    by JPKk

    If it is also grown, then does this connect to why they took Amy and her quantum fetus ?

  • May 14, 2011, 10:52 p.m. CST

    Mediat... that's an interesting thought...

    by Kelvington

    for that matter could the little girl who regenerates be a TARDIS and not a timelord?

  • May 14, 2011, 10:54 p.m. CST

    A story built around a scene.

    by Perigee

    OK - starting out by saying I liked it a lot, and it held something in it that HAD to be told in canon, and thank god it finally was. But it was a story built around a scene, and that's not too good for me. It's like writing "Star Wars" by saying, "We have to blow up this huge space-station thing. How do we get there?" Just by subtraction, a whole lot of this episode was really fat. Amy and Rory completely wasted every minute they were on screen. The Ood was a testicle-bearing Boba Fett, and "House" was beyond pointless. What mattered here - what the story really was, and was written for - was the chance for The Doctor and the TARDIS to have a few minutes of personal, interactive time together. Having seen that part, I wish I could have had more of it, and FAR less of all the other filler and MacGuffin; but I'm not sure that having more would have really have been a good thing. Too many questions to ask, to many expectations from the answers. Perhaps it was enough - and sublime - just to be able to have the TARDIS be able to say "Hello." Going forward, we'll always know that she's in there, in a real sense. The way she responded to him in the last moment of the episode was pure joy. NuWho especially has always given a half nod to the TARDIS' innate intelligence, but today it was given a soul, which is lovely. I really do wish that Gaiman had found a more poetic way to bring that moment to us.

  • May 14, 2011, 10:57 p.m. CST

    The Astronaut Suit ?

    by JPKk

    Was it then a containment / machine to HOUSE the sentience of a TARDIS ?

  • May 14, 2011, 11:03 p.m. CST

    An utterly wasted opportunity...

    by BiggusDickus show off Suranne Jones's cleavage. Because, damn, that girl has a rack on her! Great Who episode from Gaiman, though!

  • May 14, 2011, 11:11 p.m. CST

    Ood, etc.

    by timesfool

    Did we know that an Ood can drain a person of their mind and soul? What happened to Idris' original self? No one seems to care about that. Bothersome stuff, details. Like the idea proposed by Kelvington that the little girl might be a Tardis matrix, somehow, in human form - or a matrix transfered to her body the way The Doctor's Tardis was transfered to Idris. This might make more sense if the Silence are trying to build one - or not, who knows. Confusion reigns! Too much information that might be misleading or going somewhere. Too much happening. Too many sidesteps.

  • May 14, 2011, 11:16 p.m. CST

    Suranne Jones!

    by johndillingers20inchseveredcock

    Do an image search on that lady right now! Jeez!

  • May 14, 2011, 11:17 p.m. CST

    Re: my previous comment:

    by BiggusDickus

  • May 14, 2011, 11:22 p.m. CST

    Now I'm mad, Biggus.

    by johndillingers20inchseveredcock

    The negligence of not making full use of her assets is downright criminal. But I have another Who crush to add to the list now.

  • May 14, 2011, 11:27 p.m. CST

    Still being fisted

    by PeanutButterSlut

    by this shit show! Take your fist out, moffat!

  • May 14, 2011, 11:35 p.m. CST

    Forgetting Suranne Jones's tits for a moment...

    by BiggusDickus

    (which is not an easy thing to do), she is a fantastic actress who can do 'feisty' in her sleep. Why we have to put up with that sour-faced, wooden redhead every week, I'll never know...

  • May 14, 2011, 11:43 p.m. CST

    seph_j yeah my point is that.

    by KilliK

    but you didnt tell us what is the fucking point of your retarded argument that you posted.

  • May 14, 2011, 11:44 p.m. CST

    I'm thinking of Gaiman's "Death: The Time of Your Life"

    by Nukemarine

    Some similarities there with TARDIS taking human form once in it's existence. It worked in the comic and it definitely worked here. I agree the title was crap (whoever thought of "Ginger, Sailor, Timelord, Thief" was genius in that respect), but the show was amazing. Anyway, seeing how Idris dies reminds me of how much RTD blew it with respect to Donna absorbing to much of the Time Lord energy. Had Donna been allowed to die in such a manner, she'd have been a tragic companion that surpassed Adric. Plus, it would have given so much weight to River's comment about Donna in the library. Sadly, RTD just rebooted Martha to her more annoying original self.

  • May 14, 2011, 11:48 p.m. CST

    Astounded by how good that was.

    by MoffatBabies

    Favorite moments: The TARDIS thinking Rory was "the cute one". Finding out the TARDIS' name is "sexy". The series 1 looking TARDIS the Doctor and "sexy" built. The early Who looking corridors. Really looked like something that could have been in an episode from the 70s. And liked it even more because it would make sense that bits of the TARDIS interior would have no need to be remodeled or "upgraded". BONUS: Second control room. AWESOME! Failsafe: ALSOAWESOME! The manifestation of Amy's guilt and Rory's abandonment issues all wrapped into one. Matt Smith's emotional moment, played almost too well, putting to absolute death any ideas that the man is anything but 3 dimensional, acting-wise. Really sold it. Choked me right up. The Mill. My gahd, what these guys pull off on these budgets is astounding and should be recognized with awards, kudos and cash rewards. EVERYTHING looked amazing this time out. (In 2010, the Mill won a Royal Television Society Award for their work on The Pandorica Opens.. and they should win it again for this one, in my not terribly humble opinion) Least favorite moments: Realizing at the end that we cannot get this kind of MAGIC in every episode. Knowing that having this kind of MAGIC is possible simply by bringing in more writers that are fans and letting them build on the mythology in very real ways that impact the Whoniverse. And when I say writers that are fans, I don't mean fanfic and slash. I mean established science fiction and fantasy writers. AND NOTHING ELSE! This is how it should be done, and Gaiman should spend just a little time each month writing Who stories. Save the best for submission to Moffat, even if unsolicited. Fantasy, I know. But should be reality in any case. I'm about a quarter of the way through American Gods right now, first read. SO good and the best part is that just from that small exposure, I could hear his "voice" in this episode. The humour alone... just fantastic. I can't stop saying good things about this, I feel as though for the first time in a while I share our favorite Time Lord's infectious enthusiasm. Not that the rest of this series and the last were not fantastic (with the exception of last week, which was still fun so bugger off), but THIS was the A-Gaim! Done for now. Probably won't shut up for a few weeks.

  • May 14, 2011, 11:49 p.m. CST

    oh and

    by MoffatBabies


  • May 14, 2011, 11:55 p.m. CST


    by johndillingers20inchseveredcock

    THE TIME OF YOUR LIFE was the sequel.

  • May 15, 2011, midnight CST

    also.. almost forgot.

    by MoffatBabies


  • May 15, 2011, 12:16 a.m. CST

    i predict low ratings

    by john

    who was up against eurovision...which, although a total joke, still garners huge audiences

  • May 15, 2011, 12:29 a.m. CST

    ungh Eurovision

    by MoffatBabies

    ALMOST as bad as American Idol.

  • May 15, 2011, 12:34 a.m. CST


    by KilliK

    "You got the point that Dr. Who is Metaphysical Speculative Fiction. " wrong.i got to the point that Who is fantasy because it is metaphysical.i am following your argument,not mine. " You missed the point that that is a part of what you term science fiction. All science fiction is part of fantasy literature. Other forms of fantasy literature use different world views, like Harry Potter, Dracula, or Alice in Wonderland ." ah but you are referring to fantasy as in greece we make a different distinction.fantasy fiction and science fiction are different parts of the fiction (μυθοπλασία) literature. ie LOTR is epic (or heroic) fantasy.Neuromancer is science fiction.They are both works of fiction. " If all the science in a science fiction narrative must completely explainable and based on hard science and technology, then you have eliminated such classics as, Frankenstein, Gullivar's Travels, Dune, A Childhood's End, A Stranger in A Strange Land, A Hitchhiker's Guide to the Galexy, and the works of Philip K. Dick " Gullivar's Travels is scifi??? since when? i think that you are trying to label works of fiction as scifi using the criteria of how much realistic or plausible is the science used in these stories. but for me this is the wrong approach ,a true work of science fiction focuses on the science itself and uses it as its basis to tell a story.the science itself might be hardcore,it might even be implausible but it will be the epicenter that the story and the characters will unfold around it. Whereas in other works of fiction,science can be used only as the setting,the toolset,the background for any kind of story to be narrated. in this case the labeling of this work of fiction can vary: it can be science fantasy,epic fantasy, a detective story,a horror story,etc otherwise if Guiliver is scifi,then i can say that Harry Potter is scifi as well since magic is nothing less than physical energy manipulated by words.why not?

  • May 15, 2011, 12:36 a.m. CST

    Liked the episode well enough,

    by -Halfscan-

    in spite of some things that just annoyed the Hell out of me. </p> Can't stand that they've finally decided that Timelords can genderbend. It's just a stupid concept in general. </p> Large parts of the script just felt like well written fan fic, like Neil just ran down a list and tried to fit as many references to things that have worked in he past (fish fingers, scary writing on the wall, rift in space, "RUN" (yelled at least 3 times), "making me mad makes me dangerous", the Tardis "desktop", "spacy-wacy", blah blah blah) </p> I've never gotten the Gaiman love. Most of his stuff, to me, comes off as overly pretentious sprinkled with a bit of "look how clever I am" and sent to print with a nice big patting himself on the back. He occasionally does write something that I enjoy, but in many ways his writing feels to me like the product Tim Burton puts out.. where things likely started out in a good place, but you can just tell he keeps going back over it again and again in order to make it "feel more 'Burton-y'" (or "Gaiman-y", in this case). To the point that it actually distracts from the stories they want to tell. </p> This would have been a "great" episode in the context of RTD's era, under Moffat's reign it's still really solid and above average. I'd just have preferred to see the scripting handled by someone else, I guess.

  • May 15, 2011, 12:41 a.m. CST

    Fuck me.Suranne's boos are heavenly.

    by KilliK

    i have to go to UK pronto.

  • May 15, 2011, 1:59 a.m. CST

    damn bbc budget

    by john

    gaiman's ideas were so much larger then what they could afford good epi anyway he was born to write a who and house was a smosh of danny the street and ego, the living planet

  • May 15, 2011, 2:07 a.m. CST

    By all that's holy !!!

    by 2LeggedFreak

    Even Gavin Fuller liked it :-

  • May 15, 2011, 2:08 a.m. CST

    So brill and even a message for all the little uns

    by 2LeggedFreak

    If you don't eat all your dinner somebody will cobble together the leftovers and come after you and kick your arse !!!

  • May 15, 2011, 2:28 a.m. CST

    Uh oh

    by 2LeggedFreak

    Got this from another forum:- "Deep in the bowels of last week's Black Spot thread lay an interesting theory about Rory's "Kenny" status. It was suggested, after what happened to him last year, that Rory shouldn't exist, then it is Amy's love that he needs to survive, or even exist." One of the criticisms I had of the Black Spot was that, although he got cut early on, he seemed to be at the back of the cue when it came to getting touched by the Siren. Is Amy capable of constantly re-booting the universe to suit her. We all said worst CPR ever---maybe it was---maybe that naff CPR couldn't have revived Rory so what could ? Maybe the Doctor standing around being ineffectual was him seeing what Amy is capable of ? Oh and Amy suddenly becoming super pirate !! Crikey...could one of the apparently worst episodes yet just be a monster clue !!!

  • May 15, 2011, 2:28 a.m. CST

    Who preceded Eurovision by half hour...

    by ManEatingFish

    ... And was on the same channel, so how does this effect ratings?

  • May 15, 2011, 2:38 a.m. CST

    Already happened...

    by berksbear

    No one has mentioned that the Tardis has already interracted with the doctor through a human host when it 'possessed' Rose - she kept referring to Ecclestone as 'my doctor' so not sure why they did the whole 'nice to finally chat face to face' scene. Still loved the episode though.

  • May 15, 2011, 2:39 a.m. CST

    With a crash of engines...

    by 2LeggedFreak

    ...the Tardis is taking them somewhere that is almost definitely not the tranquil eye of Orion. Just watched Confidential and what a blazingly brilliant add on to the main show it is. Loved the flash backs and the way they boost Gaimans argument Even that you can go back to Iain Chesterton in 1963 first touching the Tardis door and saying "Its alive"

  • May 15, 2011, 2:42 a.m. CST


    by 2LeggedFreak

    My rationale for that is that for Idris they actually emptied the human host to make room for "Sexy". Rose however was still in there when she absorbed the Tardis it was probably a blend. Liked the "My Doctor" touch --it doesn't detract from the original Rose scene but makes you think a lot more about who was doing the talking.

  • May 15, 2011, 3:16 a.m. CST


    by berksbear

    I agree that the situations between Rose and Idris weren't exactly the same - I just felt that this encounter between the doctor and his Tardis wasn't as unique as the dialogue in the scene suggests.

  • May 15, 2011, 3:36 a.m. CST

    The 'soul' of a Tardis

    by berksbear

    I think that it would have been cool if actually a Tardis' soul was that of it's pilot (in this case, the doctor). It should be the final resting place of a timelord after he/she has used up all their regenerations. That would explain the bond between a timelord and his/her tardis and also how the tardis always knows where to take its occupant (because it has already lived through every adventure).

  • May 15, 2011, 4:28 a.m. CST

    last night's ep looked absolutely spectacular...

    by emeraldboy

    and the rebel flesh looks intense. i am finding this season of dr who a bit off. for some reason.....

  • May 15, 2011, 5:06 a.m. CST

    Isn't it said that a TARDIS will commit suicide in the vortex when its Timelord dies?


    I'm sure I read that somewhere.

  • May 15, 2011, 5:06 a.m. CST

    The Ood

    by HornOrSilk

    Apparently became a stand-in monster and the original plan was to have a monster made up of many parts, and that was deemed too expensive to do.

  • May 15, 2011, 5:41 a.m. CST

    In an odd way, the story had a Brain of Morbius feel

    by HornOrSilk

  • May 15, 2011, 6:01 a.m. CST

    Other moments of genius

    by 2LeggedFreak

    "What do I call you" "You call me ...Sexy" At that point Matt Smiths physical and facial expressions deserve an Oscar--its a moment of understated acting genius...I still laugh now remembering it.

  • May 15, 2011, 6:46 a.m. CST


    by grroxuk

    Has nobody mentoned that Suranne Jones got jiggy with David Tennant in the BBC series SINGLE FATHER?

  • Suranne Jones, she played the role of the Mona Lisa in the episode "Mona Lisa's Revenge" in The Sarah Jane Adventures.

  • May 15, 2011, 7:02 a.m. CST

    The Doctor's Wife

    by furnari5

    This is the BEST episode this series/season thus far. The pirate episode was pretty crappy and the 2 series/season openers had way too many plot holes. Excellent job, Mr. Gaiman.

  • May 15, 2011, 7:21 a.m. CST

    Tardis suicide - don't think so

    by Corwin_X2

    They were built/grown to be flown by a crew of six, not a single Time Lord - Journey's End.

  • May 15, 2011, 7:27 a.m. CST

    Thoughts, theories, maybe spoilers...

    by TheFerretLives

    I think a criticism, or just observation, that we've been hearing a lot since Moffat took over the show is that some episodes felt too crammed or rushed for the 45 minute format. Isn't this a clue for them to get some balls and change the format accordingly? All episodes two-parters apart from what would've been two parters which could be three or four parters? Maybe cut the single episodes to 30-35 minutes? Also some people's ideas that more writers like Gaiman should be involved in Who are solid and each season should have at least two or three written by guest writers. Simon Pegg was quick to star in Who how about his writing an episode? Would love Whedon too but also people like Moorcock have already written Who novels. How about China Melville? And they should ask back Paul Cornell! Interesting thoughts are going around my head after that episode about the connection between Tardis' and Timelords i.e. does one evolve into the other? Are Tardis like a third gender or a chrysalis stage? If it is like the other gender of the race that would be a bit like the 2000ad story Firekind where the pods attached to Dragons which were being stolen to turn into a narcotic turned out to be the pupae stage of a third gender of the race on the planet (great comic strip in a great comic). I don't know whether this has a connection to the little girl and the astronaut suit though as Gaiman wrote this episode for last season and I'm not sure whether Moffatt would have used his premises to base a season arc around, but I could be wrong. Oh and Suranne Jones fans should try finding the ITV show Vincent. F

  • May 15, 2011, 7:37 a.m. CST

    Michael Sheen

    by ThrowMeTheIdol

    That sounded so unlike him that if they were going to distort his voice unrecognizable then why use him? It sounded more like Michael Gambon (not that it was).

  • May 15, 2011, 7:42 a.m. CST

    once can be terribly snobbish about coronation street..

    by emeraldboy

    But when it had actors like Suranne Jones in it, it was very well worth watching. it was also down to the writing. the standard of writing has gone down immensly on corrie. i dont really watch it anymore these days. they brought in stephanie cole, who is one of the all time greats. you do miss actors like Maggie jones who played the wonderful blanch. another great character was mike baldwin. and they are bringing back dennis tanner. boring barlow's nemeses and the show needs a drama at the moment.

  • May 15, 2011, 7:44 a.m. CST

    furnari5 - 2 openers had too many plot holes? Do you watch WHO often?

    by sam jacksons wig

    Those plotholes will be filled to capacity by the time the season ends. And thank you for your amazing review of "The crappy Pirate episode"...very succinct and full of exposition.

  • May 15, 2011, 7:50 a.m. CST

    Good Morning DOCBACK :)

    by shibleybc

    WOWOWOWOWOW A Fabulous episode, with many brilliant parts. Great on many levels i thoroughly enjoyed it! Sammy, big raspberry at ya! ;) Killik, stop talking bollocks and concentrate on Surannes hooters Rich, HI :) now gotta go, only seen it 5 times, gotta go watch it again, back later! TTFN

  • May 15, 2011, 7:51 a.m. CST

    MASSIVE spoliers for next week!!!!

    by sam jacksons wig

    Made you look............ ;)

  • May 15, 2011, 7:52 a.m. CST

    Sammy lololol

    by shibleybc

  • May 15, 2011, 7:52 a.m. CST

    Purple, your Docback needs you!

    by shibleybc

  • May 15, 2011, 7:52 a.m. CST

    Where art thou Pogue :)

    by shibleybc

  • May 15, 2011, 8:02 a.m. CST

    throwmetheidol- we all thought it was Tom Baker last week!!!

    by sam jacksons wig

    Now that would have been a thing of fucking beauty!!! However I suspect they chose Mr Sheen for his voice inflections & mannerisms rather than his accent. Could you imagine him doing it a la "Brian Clough?" HAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!

  • May 15, 2011, 8:03 a.m. CST

    Shibs- YOU LOOKED!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

    by sam jacksons wig

    No more spoilers and no more salt needed. I promised.

  • May 15, 2011, 8:11 a.m. CST

    Anyway, I thought it was a very good episode

    by ThrowMeTheIdol

    My only complaint about this version of the doctor, and it is not a big one, is I sometimes also miss the more frequent historical figure encounters of the Tennant era. However I'm 90% on board with this incarnation and a very good episode.

  • May 15, 2011, 8:12 a.m. CST

    Only watched it 4 times

    by 2LeggedFreak

    So Shibleys got me beat. Just engrossed by the dialogue in it. Latest bit being the Tardis comment to the Doctor "Borrowing implies the intention of returning the taken item at some time. Why would I ever give you back ?"

  • May 15, 2011, 8:17 a.m. CST

    A brilliant episode!

    by Mark

    I expected a lot from an episode penned by Neil Gaimen but this blew me away! Long term Whovians like my good self worked out ages ago that A - The TARDIS is sentient and B - She sends the Doctor where he needs to go. It's incredible that this has been confirmed at last and it's also nice to see the writers are given the freedom to expand the Who universe and take risks.

  • Do you think that the final episodes of Who this year are destined to become a bit erm..... busy? After all, there are rumours (wrapped in riddles stuffed inside enigmas..) of "********" returning, and "*******" returning, and "*********" returning, and so on....... So, my only concern is that it could all get a bit messy.

  • This is a common theme in Gaiman's work. Now, I'm not a literary critic so I'm not really sure how to describe this, but Gaiman has a way of underlying the horrors of everyday by sort of... gliding over them. As in, the thought it there, in the back of your head always, because that's what the whole premise of the story is based on, but it is just not addressed. He did the same thing in the Graveyard Book, which opens with the murder of the main character's parents - a brutal act, especially for what is technically a childrens' book, which remains with the reader for the rest of the story because you know nothing about his parents and you feel that you should. Closure is never given, it just is, left to the reader to deal with however they choose... and in my opinion, that makes it all the creepier. More realistic, but still creepy. I hope that made sense. I'm not really sure how to articulate the concept.

  • May 15, 2011, 8:38 a.m. CST

    re: Idris's original self

    by ThrowMeTheIdol

    This same issue bothered me a lot at the end of the recent movie Source Code. I won't go into detail so as not to spoil the film much for those who haven't seen it. But if you saw it, you should know what I mean.

  • May 15, 2011, 8:38 a.m. CST

    I hate this whole 'tardis is sentient' thing.

    by Cap'n Jack

    I love that The Doctor always refered to the tardis as a girl (like a ship and it's captain)...but having it actually be alive is not cool.

  • May 15, 2011, 8:40 a.m. CST


    by 2LeggedFreak

    Yeah I agree...thats one of the great things about Gaiman...when you think a bit there is so much to worry you. The concept of the 100's of Tardis who have had their sous wrenched out by House to enable him to eat their bodies is another understated piece of horror.

  • May 15, 2011, 8:43 a.m. CST


    by frozen01

    AH! American Gods is probably my favorite book of his :) I don't know how far you are into it, but there is a pretty cool bit that takes place in a Wisconsin tourist attraction called the House on the Rock. A bunch of fans got together and threw a party at the House on the Rock last year, and everyone came in costume... except Neil Gaiman, who came as himself ;) The costumes these people did up were just amazing! I found out about it after it happened, so I missed it (I would have driven the four hours to get there!) but one of the organizers is on my Facebook friends list so I did get to see the photos. Very cool stuff :)

  • May 15, 2011, 8:43 a.m. CST

    using a second control room was a wasted opportunity...

    by Cap'n Jack

    ...I thought it was going to be Tom Bakers or something. Using another control room from the 'new who' was a little weak.

  • May 15, 2011, 8:45 a.m. CST

    SRELIOPS: Idris Dialogue Puzzle

    by veteran_of_mu

    Last week I accused you all of being blind fools. This week I'll accuse you of being deaf ones. At least I'm surprised no one has mentioned this so far. When Sexy awakes in her cage she says 3 lines. The second 2 lines are dialogue from later in the episode - "Do fish have fingers?" and 'Like a 9-year-old trying to rebuild a motorbike". The first line, which is followed by the question "What was that?" seemed to me to be reversed speech. Wonders of iMovie let me re-reverse it but it sounded like nothing in particular. I can almost convince myself it is "the only water in the forest is the river" but not really. Unless my ears are just failing to parse Suranne's accent ... can anyone figure this out?

  • May 15, 2011, 8:47 a.m. CST


    by frozen01

    Amy was not becoming "super pirate". She basically just waived a sword around, but the pirates were so afraid of getting nicked by it that all they did was run. We just didn't KNOW THAT by this point in the episode.

  • May 15, 2011, 8:55 a.m. CST


    by frozen01

    I'll admit, I had a lot of difficulty understanding her in that scene. Even the motorbike sentence was hard to understand, and I only got it later. (My laptop speakers aren't the best.) A clue, though, might lie in the fact that the previous two sentences were repeated later in the junkyard while they were reconstructing a TARDIS. Perhaps the unidentified sentence was as well?

  • May 15, 2011, 8:56 a.m. CST

    cap'n jack

    by frozen01

    Budget, my friend. The only reason we got to see any other control room at all was because they still had 10's.

  • May 15, 2011, 9:04 a.m. CST


    by 2LeggedFreak

    By super pirate I don't mean the sword play...I was referring to the swinging and the kicking and general punchiness on display. Like Amy had suddenly turned into Buffy.

  • May 15, 2011, 9:08 a.m. CST


    by veteran_of_mu

    I've looped it forward and backward maybe a hundred times, slowed it down, sped it up, and all I get is: Forwards - "Are there is easier than it to im are we" Backwards - "You're only listening to the red easter egg" I don't buy either of these ...

  • May 15, 2011, 9:10 a.m. CST

    Find myself yearning for Russell Davies...

    by Barrymore

    and his "an adventure through time and space!" approach rather than Moffat's "dark twisted fairy tale and complex time travel". Moffat needs to lighten up the show. I love Neil Gaiman, but "Doctor's Wife" didn't do much for me. I'm a long-time fan and will hang in there, but casual audiences won't if there isn't some fun and emotionn and some answers to long-building questions.

  • May 15, 2011, 9:23 a.m. CST

    TARDIS sentience

    by HornOrSilk

    Goes all the way back to the first Doctor. Really. "Edge of Destruction" comes to mind with the TARDIS trying to warn the Doctor.

  • May 15, 2011, 9:31 a.m. CST

    Best episode of the season.

    by shutupfanboy

    Fire Moffat, bring in Neil. Everything was just great about this episode.

  • May 15, 2011, 9:35 a.m. CST

    2legged- the Amt character has always been a stroppy cow....

    by sam jacksons wig

    What makes you think that she wouldn't just dive in there? After all, what preceeded that event was the Doc on a plan k and Rory with his mazing protection of "She's NOT a Doxy!!!!" The Amy Pond character (who is used to controlling men in situations....) just did what came naturally to her. And hoped for the best. The Captain and the look of fear in his eyes along with "ut down the sword, it could kill us all..." the random swinging and the look in the pirates faces..... and yes! The Amy character got cocky and began swinging around. Nothing more to it than that.

  • May 15, 2011, 9:35 a.m. CST

    erm..."Amy" character...sorry.

    by sam jacksons wig

  • May 15, 2011, 9:41 a.m. CST

    Well now we know why the Tennant era Tardis set was left standing.

    by Rebel Scumb

    This episode was NOTHING at all like what I expected it to be. It was very good though. If I have one complaint its that HOUSE was really underutilized as a villian, the threat of HOUSE was never really established, and almost felt tacked on to the story. I kind of wish they had done an episode about House. And a seperate episode about the Tardis being inside a woman, both seem like ideas strong enough to support their own episodes.

  • May 15, 2011, 9:46 a.m. CST

    We're only 4 episodes in guys!!!! We have 9 more to go.

    by sam jacksons wig

    Time for alot more goodness and the closure to a certain set of series arcs. This best so far shit is really annoying. Wait until it;s all over and then give your opinion on what was the best episode. We have not gone far enough to start along that track. Ep 4 very well may be the highlight of the series, but as of yet we don't know. And I am sure there is more to come that will blow this away. Of course this is all IMHO. Now- cue the negative reactions to this post.

  • May 15, 2011, 9:48 a.m. CST

    Here Here SJW ;)

    by shibleybc

  • May 15, 2011, 9:48 a.m. CST

    Worst post EVVA !!!

    by 2LeggedFreak

  • May 15, 2011, 9:48 a.m. CST

    Matt Smith's acting this week...

    by InfinityWave

    ...the best we've seen. Hands down. Brilliant episode. It's easy to sense Gaiman's TV budget frustrations, I'm sure he wanted Hartnell's console room instead of 10's one and a whole lot more besides, but those limits aside it was quite something. Wonderful writing.

  • May 15, 2011, 9:51 a.m. CST

    2 legged..............

    by shibleybc

    How can you say that was the worst post ever, the script was good, he delivered it well aand the special effects were top notch, possibly the best post evva! :P

  • May 15, 2011, 9:53 a.m. CST

    Tardis' first words

    by TheFerretLives

    On Doctor Who Confidential (which it seems some of you don't watch which you should as in this case it gives the answers you guys sometimes ask) Gaiman was reading from his script and it appears that her first words were just giberish. And some of you guys have been listening to it backwards and countless times tut tut. Watch DWC! F

  • May 15, 2011, 10 a.m. CST


    by 2LeggedFreak

    No for me this was typical lazy Wig all over. Usual "Lets take a common sense approach and keep things in perspective" from him. Its a joke I mourn the days when we got really punchy stuff from Dioxholster. Jackson woulpdn't know a post if it ran up and bit him on the leg. And I'm sick of his whole " let's judge the arc not its compenents " agenda. He has to shove that in our faces every five minutes.

  • Ok

  • May 15, 2011, 10:03 a.m. CST

    rebel- I salute you sir!!!

    by sam jacksons wig

    My thoughts exactly!!! It was good but not brilliant. I think after the first 3 episodes, two of which were series set ups, confusing and having very little explanation so far, and a slice of light hearted hokum for the third, too many people are lauding this as BRILLIANT, EPIC et.c as it was by far the most meaningful of the 4. We have along way to go yet and as we will no doubt be......OOPS! Almost spoilerish there!!! But, expect for us to revisit certain places and events. I am sure by then most will have changed their tunes. I mean this with the utmost respect, fellow Doc Backers.

  • May 15, 2011, 10:10 a.m. CST

    2legged- very abusive mate. Very abusive.

    by sam jacksons wig

    I will not retaliate. I just can't be bothered with all of that.

  • May 15, 2011, 10:16 a.m. CST

    Sam - With all due respect...

    by V'Shael

    Don't you dare fucking tell those of us who loved the episode WHY we loved it. Just because you didn't like it as much as some of us... How dare you have the fucking gall to dismiss our opinions as being fueled by the fact it was "the most meaningful of the first 4 episodes", or something equally trite. No one tried to tell you that you liked last weeks risible shite, just because you had a fetish for beards or pirates, did they? No. So kindly keep such ill-informed opinions to yourself. Aside from being utterly wrong in every way, it's damn insulting to boot. Watched it seven times now. Going back for more. This talkback is a fucking travesty.

  • May 15, 2011, 10:18 a.m. CST


    by 2LeggedFreak

    You do get it was a joke sparked by your "lets wait for the negative responses " line don't you. And it was sort of using you and and Diox to parody the RTD/Moffatt arguments that drive us both up the wall.

  • May 15, 2011, 10:18 a.m. CST

    I need to watch it again

    by Rebel Scumb

    Knowing what it is, and not what I was expecting. But I agree with you Sam, it was good, but (for me anyways) not the masterpiece everyone seems to think. Next week looks like real gangbusters though. I'm getting a very 'silence in the library' and 'the empty child' vibe from the promo This season has been very visually dark, which I like, but its also good to have some bright fun episodes in the mix to. Also, I saw Karen Gillan on Craig Ferguson. She seems to be just as weird and quirky as Amy in real life. Ferguson seemed like it was taking everything in him to keep his hands off of her, hard to blame him.

  • May 15, 2011, 10:25 a.m. CST

    Craig Ferguson

    by TheFerretLives

    I wonder whether we'll get any answers in this series of Doctor Who to the utterly dumfounding mystery as to how Craig Ferguson managed to get on in the US. F

  • May 15, 2011, 10:26 a.m. CST

    Chill V'Shael !!!

    by 2LeggedFreak

    This is one of those weird things were some episodes hit the spot with you and some don't and then the exact reverse for others. Like you I was somewhat less than enthused about last weeks episode and it is confusing and slightly sad to be on the outside looking in on something others have enjoyed so much. However this week is the reverse and I am stoked by this episode. So much so that I'm not affected by what others thought of it at all---I just know that on every level this was an episode for me and my take on Who. So I'm chilled...I'm not in the sad and confused boat this week ---I'm in the happy boat. My sympathy and condolences to those who aren't--but I'm sure your boat will come in at some stage this faith is now fully restored.

  • May 15, 2011, 10:26 a.m. CST


    by shibleybc

    What happened to all the nice speculation we used to do :(

  • May 15, 2011, 10:28 a.m. CST


    by 2LeggedFreak

    Rory keeps dying---Amy keeps bringing him back

  • May 15, 2011, 10:35 a.m. CST


    by dj_bollocks

    Watching the Confidential episode completes The Doctor's Wife. I quite often miss nuances or inferences and it's fantastic to have Gaiman, read and discuss his thoughts and ideas throughout the Confidential episode. I enjoyed TDW much more after watching Confidential, which is not to say I didn't like it on first viewing, but I got so much more out of it. On a separate note I thought the 2nd episode of The Shadow Line was a little disappointing, but then I'm not sure how many episodes there are of it. Rafe Spall is quite the revelation after only having remembered him in Hot Fuzz and Pete vs Life

  • May 15, 2011, 10:36 a.m. CST

    v'shael - with all due respect get off your fucking high horse!!!

    by sam jacksons wig

    No one is telling no one fucking anything! These are my opinions THAT IS ALL! Like what the fuck you want to like, and I didn't say that I didn't like it, DID I???? How DARE YOU SIR have the fucking gall to abuse me personally in a post because you feel emotionally hurt by my generalised comments against something that YOU feel passionately about! Yes, I get it, you loved it. Great episode, blah blah blah blah. It was very very good! Gaiman IS a genius!!! The acting from Suranne Jones was spot on perfect!!! But V'Shael, NEVER AGAIN attempt to bully or threaten me in a post sitting in a forum that is meant to let us DISCUSS OUR POINTS OF VIEW. You take those things as peoples own opinions and with the exception of TROLLS, DO NOT ATTACK THEM VERBALLY!"!!! You discuss it with courtesy. I have shown you NOTHING BUT RESPECT since I have posted here. Today, it is YOU that are the travesty sir!

  • May 15, 2011, 10:36 a.m. CST

    by dj_bollocks

    Ahh The Shadow Line has 7 episodes... Slow burn then...

  • May 15, 2011, 10:40 a.m. CST

    No judging untl the end?

    by Octavian

    BTW, I mentioned it yesterday and not seen anyone else pick it up (I've not been through the whole thread) but the Doctor frees Idris using his usual sonic with a green light. During the scene when Uncle and Auntie die he scans Idris and tells her she is dying also. She takes the sonic then hands it back to him when they decide to build a TARDIS from the surrounding junk. The next time the sonic screwdriver is seen it is giving off a blue light, not a green, as the Doctor, followed by Idris, are running through the junkyard.

  • May 15, 2011, 10:42 a.m. CST

    regeneration limit?

    by havok2063

    Does anyone know if they are going to continue to ignore and/or address the issue of the 12 regenerations limit? This episode reminded me of that when the Doctor and the TARDIS were talking about archived control rooms. She mentioned she had about 30 archived and he said he's only remade them about 12 times. Then he said something about not being able to archive things that haven't happened yet and she said she could. I felt like that would have been a nice opportunity to at least address it since it's kind of related. It'd be nice if they devoted it as an arc to the series. He could spend an arc trying to find a way to extend his regen limit. It would make for a different and interesting story. Overall, I really enjoyed this episode. I may have enjoyed it the most so far this season. The only thing that would have sealed it for me was if they made the Amy/Rory scenes in the Tardis corridors real experiences instead of just House messing with them mentally. They could have both experienced relative timeframes that actually had an effect on their character development and their relationship. I loved the aging and bitter Rory but I wished it had a bigger impact on him and their relationship and that she experienced something similar.

  • May 15, 2011, 10:44 a.m. CST

    2legged- just feeling a little "punchy" is all.....

    by sam jacksons wig

    And you're right- RTD vs Moff needed to die a death ages ago!!! Don't worry mate- we're square. ;)

  • May 15, 2011, 10:46 a.m. CST


    by 2LeggedFreak

    I could just be mental but I think that Rory did age and die but a certain carrot top brought him back.

  • May 15, 2011, 10:49 a.m. CST

    What is with red heads

    by 2LeggedFreak

    Jean Grey Willow Amy Give em a bit of power and then duck !!!

  • May 15, 2011, 10:57 a.m. CST

    Havok - Regeneration Limit

    by Warren Howarth

    They addressed it in an episode of the SJA from last season. Basically wiped it out with a throwaway comment about having a new face 507 times :)

  • May 15, 2011, 10:58 a.m. CST

    How many times has Rory actually died????

    by sam jacksons wig

    Let's see: Amys choice. (twice...killed by the old lady and blew up in the Tardis.) Cold blood. Day of the Moon. Curse of the Black Spot. 5 times in 17 episodes. Now THATS some statistic. Is it just co-incidence?????

  • May 15, 2011, 11:03 a.m. CST


    by havok2063

    Yeah I suppose that's possible. There seems to be something weird going on with her regarding dreams and reality. And there does appear to be a trend with him dying and her bringing him back. Interesting to think about. If so then it has to connect with what happened last season. I won't place any bets though until I see more eps. Even if that's true, I think having their relative time experiences be a bigger impact on them in this episode would have made for stronger writing and character development for those two. Even if it is a part the larger story, they can still develop the characters along the way. Especially if he really is still dead (from way back in S5) and she's keeping him alive, then it makes all the difference in the world if and how they develop the strength of their relationship and love for each other. That way when we finally get to see the payoff and all the answers, all of this will have a bigger impact on us.

  • May 15, 2011, 11:07 a.m. CST

    Maybe the Rory death...

    by dj_bollocks

    goes back to The Eleventh Hour where Rory is seen to have his hospital pass dating 1990... Maybe the universe where all Amy has to do is remember is what we're seeing, and what we always have done... Maybe that's why he's died so many times...

  • May 15, 2011, 11:09 a.m. CST


    by havok2063

    Yeah I heard about that but I don't really consider that canon since 1) It wasn't addressed in the main series. 2.) It sounds like more of a joke answer. That just feels like a cop out and kind of a cheap. If that is what they are going with then I would at least appreciate a line or a small conversation about it in an episode of the main series finally putting it all to rest. I think if they want the new series to be connected with the canon of the old (and clearly they do since they keep referencing it), then they should address these things in the main series where more people will see it and not in a spin-off series.

  • May 15, 2011, 11:14 a.m. CST

    I'm trying to remember...

    by Rebel Scumb

    Wasn't there a part where Amy was blind and Rory got knocked out but Amy got lead into a corridor by a fake Rory voice, did they ever resolve that? I need to stop watching Dr. Who right before bed, the show is dream like enough without being exhausted when I watch it.

  • May 15, 2011, 11:14 a.m. CST

    sammyJ - Rory's death count

    by havok2063

    Didn't he did in the Big Bang also, with everyone else? I feel like Amy had to remember (and recreate) the entire Universe and everyone in it. If that's the case, then that would add another one to the count.

  • May 15, 2011, 11:17 a.m. CST

    havok. re: regenerations beyond number 13

    by Rebel Scumb

    I have no doubt that the doctor will continue to regenerate beyond the original rules established, as I'm sure the series will continue as long as there is a demand for it. But I do think there is an oppurtunity to address the regeneration limit established in the old show, to do something unique with it, and then in typical Dr. Who fashion find a loop hole out of it when its time to regenerate into Doctor 14.

  • May 15, 2011, 11:17 a.m. CST

    rebel - sort of

    by havok2063

    She walked past his knocked out body on the floor, rounded a corner, and grabbed some Ood wattles. The next scene was a perfectly ok Rory coming round the bend saying hey let's go. So...I would say sort of indirectly.

  • May 15, 2011, 11:20 a.m. CST

    rebel regens

    by havok2063

    Yeah I completely agree. I would love to see a storyline for it, but I guess they don't need to do it with the Matt Smith doctor. I guess the next actor would be the 'last' Doctor and they could do an arc with him about it.

  • May 15, 2011, 11:21 a.m. CST


    by Rebel Scumb

    I get the sense that something was deleted or rewritten in there. But then again this was originally a script for series 5, in which case Rory wouldn't have even been in it, so that sort of makes sense. I still think they could of had The Doctor, Rory & Amy running through dark corridors, being tortured by mindgames and hallucinations by House for a full episode. Throw in a couple guest characters to get killed and heighten the stakes.

  • May 15, 2011, 11:24 a.m. CST

    Dealing with the regen issue

    by TheFerretLives

    Perhaps as we've already seen the Doctor die without regenerating this series (Moffatt did state catergorically that it wasn't a clone) and his regen energy seemed to disappear (into the person in the astronaut suit who knows?) then I'd venture that we could already be seeing them deal with the 12 regens issue and that it is part of the arc for this series? F

  • May 15, 2011, 11:28 a.m. CST

    havok regens cont'd

    by Rebel Scumb

    My understanding (and bare in mind I haven't seen all of the old show) is that we would have the 12th doctor, and then the 13th doctor would be pure evil or a representation of all the darkness in the doctor. So 13 doctors, and 12 regenerations. I think you could do a big story arc with the 12th doctor where basically the big bad of the seasons (or multiple seasons) is the looming threat of the 13th doctor coming into being Sort of take the same idea behind 'The Next Doctor' but have it be for real, where the doctor is interacting with his next incarnation, but in this case its on an adversarial basis. The 12th doctor has to avoid getting mortally wounded, to stall his regeneration as long as possible because he knows who he is going to turn into. It would be a good way to utilize non-linear storytelling, where we would have the story of the 12th and 13th doctors happening simutaneously and paralleling each other. so it for example it lasted a whole season. Then the 12th doctors fate in the season finale would directly link to the 13th doctors appearance in the season premiere. Kind of like how the 4th season finale of LOST was handled, where the first scene of the flashforward would chronologically take place immedaitely after the last scene of the "present day-on island" story. If that makes any sense.

  • May 15, 2011, 11:29 a.m. CST

    Oops! She already did!!! Should have said "die again??"

    by sam jacksons wig

  • May 15, 2011, 11:29 a.m. CST


    by havok2063

    Yeah since this ep was written for then, then it might not actually be that connected with everything else that's going on. We might be trying too hard to make it fit. Sure, that would have a fine episode. I like those types of episodes in shows. I rather liked the idea of an entity luring timelords so he can cannibalize them and him thirsting to find more and doing everything he can to seek more out.

  • May 15, 2011, 11:31 a.m. CST

    Sam Jackson's wig re: River Song

    by Rebel Scumb

    River Song has already died, so it wouldn't really make any sense to kill her at any other time. Personally I think her whole arc is one of the best parts of the show currently. I'm hoping that the companion after Amy & Rory will be the younger version of River (obviously played by a different actress)

  • May 15, 2011, 11:33 a.m. CST

    killik -fantasy-fiction

    by JPKk

    "i think that you are trying to label works of fiction as scifi using the criteria of how much realistic or plausible is the science used in these stories." No, the criteria is type of science category, not plausible/realistic. I think part of the difference in opinion is really a matter of how we are using the terms. For me, as an English-media teacher, I sub-divide fiction into various genres and sub-genres. Some sub-genres cross pollinate and drive literature profs and publishers to distraction. I think it just great creativity. Anyway in my view the fantasy genre is a part of all fiction (literature and other media). Fantasy can be broken down into sub-genres, such as heroic, sword & sorcery, or the ghost story. Speculative fiction is part of fantasy literature, but presupposes a reality based on speculations of science. Harry potter presupposes a world based on magic that includes spells, magical artifacts and creatures. Guliver's Travels is proto-science fiction. It lays the groundwork for what will grow into speculative fiction. Gulliver travels to strange new worlds using technology of his time. He encounters strange (alien) creatures and societies. The writer uses these settings to comment on society and the human condition. So if we go all the way back to the start of the discussion as to whether Dr. Who is science fiction, yes it is. It is more interested in societal elements of speculation than the nuts and bolts of how the science works, yes. recently there has been more emphasis on the metaphysics of the Dr. Who reality. The cause and effect of time travel and alternative realities If you are more interested in science fiction narratives that emphasize the hard science and try to explain every detail as accurately as possible then Dr. Who will not satisfy that criteria. Not your cup of tea.

  • May 15, 2011, 11:37 a.m. CST

    re: hmmm cont'd

    by Rebel Scumb

    Oh yeah I would keep the whole luring of timelords to devour Tardis' aspect. I just would of spent more time on that personally. But I wouldn't want to lose the stuff about Idris having the Tardis' soul and getting to interact with the doctor is really great to, I just feel these two scenarios are each strong enough to make two seperate episodes. Again, its a minor complaint. Its hard to say its a criticism when my only beef is an episode had too many good ideas.

  • Yeah, they used 9/10th Docs room due to budgetary reasons, but a tie in with he last Doc even for a few seconds would have elevated the scene AND the episode! If Idris had saved 30 versions of the console room then she MUST have saved versions of the Doc in her banks!! To recall a ghost image to help defeat House would have been seven shades of awesomeness. I stated a while back that Smith didn't need another Doc raining on his parade, and I meant tit at that time. Now I feel he can stand on his own 2 legs without being overshadowed by a future/previous incarnation. And yes- McGann would have fucking floored me!!! THAT would have made this one of the best episodes Ever!!

  • May 15, 2011, 11:44 a.m. CST

    more regen

    by havok2063

    @theferretlives Yeah I'm not sure what to make of that scene. I can't wrap my around it. Clearly it's not the end of the show. If that's the Doctor and he didn't regenerate, maybe they are dealing with the limit somehow. That doctor is also 200 years old, played my Matt Smith. How are they going to reconcile that when he decides to leave the show, without jumping forward for the audience? It would be neat if they don't resolve that scene/arc until Matt decides to leave the show. Also that suit was made by the Silence to house that child, a timelord child. So maybe the next incarnation of the Doctor had to or wanted to kill his previous incarnation. That would sort of play into what you're talking about REBEL, just shortcutted to now. That would be a great arc. I feel like they are doing something with an evil doctor. The Silence creating "evil" tardis control room, the dark version of the doctor in Amy's Choice. I actually love non-linear storytelling. It's really smart (when done right) and right up this show's alley.

  • May 15, 2011, 11:45 a.m. CST

    re: 30 console rooms

    by Rebel Scumb

    I think its a bit of both. I think its a case of the realities of producing the TV series Dr. Who outweigh the realities within the fictional world of Dr. Who. When the original 13 Doctor's limit was originally established, it was a safe idea to throw around. After all that was during the era of the... what? 3rd or 4th doctor? I know I've heard it mentioned in a Tom Baker episode. At the time, I doubt anyone involved really believed the show would ever get that far, it was a safe "some time in the distant future" number to throw out. Like in the original star trek, where supposedly Khan becomes the supreme ruler of Earth in 1994. In the early 1960s 1994 was the distant future, and there was no concern that anyone would even know what Star Trek was by 1994. I'm sure that was the thinking. So to answer your question, now that we're onto our 11th doctor, and the series more popular then ever, the producers and the BBC are left with the dilemma as to keeping the show going. At the moment the approach Moffat and RTD seem to be taking is just to retcon away the regeneration limit. On another show it might bug me, but on this one I'm not too concerned. Its a forgiveable retcon, given the circumstances. Although as I mentioned, I would prefer they actually exploit the 13th doctor stuff, and then just find a loophole to have him continue on afterwards. I'm sure they'll find a way, after all the Master has gone way beyond 12 regenerations.

  • May 15, 2011, 11:53 a.m. CST

    on River

    by havok2063

    I really enjoy everything they are doing with River and the Doctor, but I feel like if they are going to resolve her origins in the Matt Smith run, and we see her meeting the doctor for the first time, then that means that her entire history with the doctor his contained in the 10th and 11th doctors. If they are traveling in reverse order, and we see her origins in the Smith series, then that's it and it doesn't quite jive with the language she uses to describe the doctor in Silence/Library. I felt like she was describing much future versions of the Doctor. If they are jumping around non-linearly, thus necessitating the use of diaries, then things could make more sense, but they should make it a tad bit clearer. Then she could have relations with any of the past doctors or any of the future doctors in any order.

  • May 15, 2011, 11:53 a.m. CST

    The luring of timelords?

    by sam jacksons wig

    Since there is only one left are we to assume that House has been manipulating time and space to contact those who have previously died? I am aware that it used the cries of former timelords to trap others, but for the message to suddenly arrive seems a little....odd. So, did House have the ability to scan all of time and space? If not, he would have been awfully hungry after he offed the Doc.

  • May 15, 2011, 11:54 a.m. CST

    Well I'm Enjoying This Series

    by proper

    I'm staying scarce as I enjoy my Doctor Who unspoiled nowadays. This & the last series are leaps beyond what has come before since the rebirth in my opinion,I am a happy viewer.Then again i'm not on it 24/7,3 quarters an hour a week is all I require [though i did get indulged over Christmas & received this peice ,it's in a cupboard,in the packing and still has the paper sheet,sometimes I just look at it :>].To all lame parents,Scare the children I say,I hope they can't sleep merely from seeing a Tattoo on a patchwork person :>.This was a class episode,good work programme makers & Gawd bless all Doctor Who Talkbackers.Next Time.......................

  • May 15, 2011, 11:58 a.m. CST

    I'm with Foyles on this...

    by Rob Sloane

    ...and if I walk in looking for "Doctor Who" or "Quatermass" or "20,000 Leagues under the Sea" or "The Time Machine" (pretty much where "Who" sprang from) it's all there in Fiction and on a shelf marked Science Fiction. I don't know how they reclassify things in Greece (seems the economy is part fantasy, part farce) but here in the UK "Doctor Who" is firmly established as British Television Science Fiction -an has been since I was a nipper watching John Pertwee face off against Dinosaurs and Seadevils. So to use the vernacular of AICN talkbalks (ahem) kindly go "fuck yourself, cocksucker". Keep cool, Ummphoo

  • May 15, 2011, 11:59 a.m. CST

    re: 30 archived TARDIS console rooms, both past and future

    by buggerbugger

    It's probably worth noting that the Doctor wasn't the TARDIS's original owner, so some - perhaps even dozens - of those console layouts could be pre-Doctor designs. The TARDIS is, after all, an antique. Anyone else wonder if River Song knows how to pilot the TARDIS so well because she's either a past or future "owner" of the Doctor's ship?

  • May 15, 2011, 12:04 p.m. CST

    30 Control Rooms

    by Perigee

    Remember, the TARDIS was "a bit of an antique" when The Doctor borrowed it. Certainly some of the others were from previous users.

  • May 15, 2011, 12:06 p.m. CST

    Damn you, scratchmonkey...

    by Perigee

    What business do you have being five minutes cleverer than me?

  • May 15, 2011, 12:09 p.m. CST

    "What business do you have being five minutes cleverer than me?"

    by buggerbugger

    I was merely archiving your very astute observation from five minutes in our future. ;)

  • May 15, 2011, 12:11 p.m. CST

    havok, re: River cont'd

    by Rebel Scumb

    They have been a bit non-commital as to their approach with the order she is meeting the doctor. They've implied that its heavily out of order. But so far what we've seen is that its so far always just been backwards. The other issue is that its relying on the fact that there are meetings between the episodes we aren't seeing. Afterall she must of met Tennant's doctor more than once, so presumably sometime during the Specials inbetween series 4 and 5, he had some other run ins with River. I do agree that the more doctors they extend her story over, the more effective the entire plot device will be. It will be interesting to see when her arc is done, how well it works to watch all of her episodes in chronological order, from her perspective. Starting with her final appearance (presumably when she first meets the doctor) and ending with Forrest of the Dead where she dies.

  • May 15, 2011, 12:15 p.m. CST

    @ SJW - the green sonic with the blue light.

    by Octavian

    Well, it can't be a continuity error, because as much as Moffat is starting to annoy me he's too clever to let that through unless there was a reason for it. The scene in which it emits the blue light is pretty clear, in fact you see right down the barrel of it for a full second as the Doctor runs towards the camera. We don't see the sonic screwdriver again so I don't know if it goes back to the normal green afterwards. It must mean something surely?

  • May 15, 2011, 12:17 p.m. CST

    River Rescue-foreshadowing ?

    by JPKk

    Will River really die in the Library ? I say say will because from her perspective it hasn't happened. Could the rescue with the swimming pool be a foreshadowing that a future version of the doctor doesn't go back and save her/re-boot her out of the mainframe.

  • May 15, 2011, 12:18 p.m. CST

    My theory SJWig

    by Shan

    House seems to be very old indeed, possibly millions of years. House also says he's killed hundreds of Time Lords. So, maybe it only needs one Time Lord per tens of thousands of years or less and the last one whose TARDIS it ate was before the Time War (well, as much as 'before' has any meaning) and the time came around where it needed another one and just fired another message out while being unaware that the Time Lords were extinct. You would have thought that after the first few dozen Time Lords went missing, someone on Gallifrey would have noticed though.

  • May 15, 2011, 12:18 p.m. CST

    A few responses...

    by Kelvington

    nukemarine - Thanks.. That title was mine. berksbear - interesting theory about the TARDIS' soul, but you have to remember that most other TARDIS' are piloted by more than one timelord. The Doctor and The Master, and the old professor seem to be the only ones who can do it on their own. cap'n jack - you must hate Doctor Who in general then, because from episode 1 the TARDIS has been considered alive. It always had it's own persona and fans from the sixties to today knew the TARDIS was alive. Something I always thought Farscape borrowed from Doctor Who and even did a better job of exploring. caractacuspotts - according to the captions, she is speaking an alien language but you are right it does sound like backwards speech. When NG was reading his script in DWC he used the word jibberish to describe it. But after much playing with it, I think she is just speaking in an alien tongue. Although it's not repeated later in the episode so that doesn't make much sense. Others - yes, Karen seems exactly like every typical bat-shit crazy actress I have ever encountered, complete with quirks and an inability to articulate a single thought that isn't put infront of her on a page. But I would marry her in a heart beat because women like that are all kinds of sexy crazy to me. LOL havok2063 - RTD claims to have fixed it with a through away line in the SJA where the Doctor said he could "change" 705 times, but I have argued that "Change" and "Regenerate" are different. Romana changed several times, but it was unclear that she went through several regenerations to choose her final look. So maybe you can change your looks, but not fully regenerate. I would hope they keep to the 13 bodies thing, I have written the last script for the last Doctor if Moffatt want its. It would bring the series to an amazing close. But if there is a quid to be had, then they will break the rule or fudge it someway and keep going with more actors. And finally - sam jacksons wig... go get'em girl! You HAVE shown nothing but respect, and that's why I go out of my way to read your opinions. You are 100% right there's no room in this docback for people being less than civil to each other, unless you are pimping something you think is a better show, like SGU. Then, "Kill it, kill it with fire!" LOL

  • Matt Smith is killing it-- someone above said his reaction to TARDIS saying "You call me.. Sexy" was Oscar-worthy and it was. My only gripe with last night's episode was the generally poor performance by Amy. She was mostly flat-footed throughout the episode-- worse than normal.

  • May 15, 2011, 12:32 p.m. CST

    Blue Light Special

    by Perigee

    Oh yeah... No doubt that was deliberate. And it seems like the only arc kibble of the episode, unless the new relationship with the TARDIS plays in later.

  • Namely, Suranne Jones.

  • May 15, 2011, 12:41 p.m. CST

    Hrrrn. It went green again.

    by Perigee

    Last few seconds of the episode, there was a final swipe before the TARDIS lit out.

  • May 15, 2011, 12:42 p.m. CST

    re: Gallifrey noticing missing Time Lords

    by buggerbugger

    I suppose House could have captured plenty of Time Lords during Gallifrey's interventionist period. There are lots of opportunities for Time Lords to go AWOL during the Great Vampire War, Rassilon's early Time Wars or even regular exploratory missions. And then, during Gallifrey's later isolationist period, most of the dusty old buggers weren't even taking notice of the outside universe at all, so it'd be fairly easy for a renegade Time Lord or three to go missing here and there down the millennia. On the other hand, there's always the idea that Gallifrey *did* notice Time Lords going missing, so they sent TARDISes to investigate on multiple occasions... which just led to more and more Time Lords vanishing unwittingly into House's open maw. The story could have made more of the whole captured Time Lord concept - in some instances, House probably got thirteen sets of organs for the price of one. Capture a Time Lord, harvest the organs, allow him to regenerate and then keep him imprisoned until you need some more body parts. Perhaps the Corsair eventually escaped after being harvested and imprisoned multiple times?

  • May 15, 2011, 12:43 p.m. CST

    shan- wasn't he using parts of timelords to keep aunty and uncle together?

    by sam jacksons wig

    the arm of the Corsair, whilst not looking particularly fresh didn't look rotten to th core, so how long HAD the corsair been dead? Was this a fundamental flaw in the make up of the episode? One that we were meant to just gloss over? I'm not sure.

  • Hopefully she will come into her own as her arc in the series progresses.

  • May 15, 2011, 1:11 p.m. CST


    by shibleybc

    You have my respect my friend, i did see you defend the attack on me the other day! But i still think you have banged your head on this one :P Long live the Docback!

  • would be pretty boring if we did! However, if we do disagree then shouldn't we put our points across courteously? That's exactly what you have done, and for that and other things YOU have my respect, sir. I shall now go and put some savlon and a bandage on my bumped head! Again, I sincerely thank you!!!

  • May 15, 2011, 1:27 p.m. CST

    Aunty and Uncle Regen ?

    by JPKk

    If the two were to regenerate which Time Lord would they be ? Also I still think House is connected in some way to the Amy and lodger house situation.

  • May 15, 2011, 1:28 p.m. CST

    You know what this thread is missing?

    by Perigee

  • May 15, 2011, 1:42 p.m. CST

    YAAAY!! I found the Dioxholder BAT-SIGNAL!!!!

    by Perigee


  • May 15, 2011, 1:50 p.m. CST


    by Seph_J

    jesus man, now look what you've done.

  • May 15, 2011, 1:53 p.m. CST

    Just watched it again

    by Rebel Scumb

    It is quite good, also looked up the actress who played Idris. Hadn't heard of her before, but holy wow does she have some big knockers!

  • May 15, 2011, 1:59 p.m. CST

    Harry sure is gonna miss us during the break


    What other talkback regularly pulls in 600+ comments a week? Even their exclusive Transformers 3 review hasn't managed to reach 200 posts.

  • May 15, 2011, 2:01 p.m. CST

    What *every* episode *should* have...

    by Rob Sloane more of the iconic Dalek Caan! I miss his "Squeeeeeeeee!" and he really did make the rather silly "Stolen Earth" a classic. I'm going to have to pen a "Wrath of Caan" crossover episode: Marooned with Davros at the end of the Universe the insane Dalek and his evil master vow vengeance against humanity and it's champion; the last of the Timelords. Doctor: "Oh, we all nearly died -how interesting!" Dalek Caan: "No, no, for hates sake I spit my last squeeeee at thee!" Davros: "Shut up you fool!" Dalek Caan: *spits* "Pteooow-to-youeee!" OK, that's enough of that. Getting rather silly. Keep cool, Ummphoo

  • May 15, 2011, 2:07 p.m. CST

    They should remake FAMILY MATTERS with Dalek Caan instead of Steve Urkel


    Dalek Caan would be the mad neighbor who lives with his insane uncle Davros and continually invents crazy scientific experiments that go out of control... with hilarious results.

  • May 15, 2011, 2:21 p.m. CST

    Surranne Jones

    by Extr3m1st

    Wow just seen some interent pics of her, didn't realize she was that stacked and hot. She didn't look nearly as good in this episode as she does in pictures though I gather she is a bit older now maybe?

  • May 15, 2011, 2:25 p.m. CST


    by Rob Sloane

    ...isn't so much a guilty pleasure, as a strange and unusual form of self-flagellation. It makes the dreadfully camp and very post-modern-does-revisionist-pseudo-history (ie: squeaky clean dark ages) of "Merlin" look passable by comparison. I had such high hopes: STARZ maker of the awesomely R-rated "Spartacus" bring Eva 'cameltoe' Green and Joseph 'it's a mystery' Fiennes and Sean 'son of a Timelord' Pertwee to the Mort d'Arthur. Boobs, swords, tables without corners, jousts, dodgy French knights, sparrows with coconuts; but alas, it turns out to be EVEN MORE squeaky clean post-modern rubbish than "Merlin"... sigh. I think Worf summed it up for me: "I am NOT a Merry Man." Keep cool, Ummphoo

  • May 15, 2011, 2:33 p.m. CST

    Lack of the one-eyed nurse

    by History101

    Junkyard out of her reach? Not in Amy's head?

  • May 15, 2011, 2:43 p.m. CST

    "Fear Me, I killed all of them" was a great line but ...

    by Corwin_X2

    ... although I like Matt Smith he needs to work a bit harder on the "Oncoming Storm" side of the Doctor. Same with the earlier threat after he discovered the distress signal boxes. Ecclestone was pretty good at it but Tennant had it nailed - from goofy to "you just pissed off the wrong Time Lord, run" in the blink of an eye. Favourite was Silence in the Library ("I'm the Doctor, look me up").

  • May 15, 2011, 2:51 p.m. CST

    Sammy.......god love ya :)

    by shibleybc

    but he would love ya more if you used germolene :) Showing my age :P

  • May 15, 2011, 2:52 p.m. CST

    About Suranne Jones being sexy

    by ThrowMeTheIdol

    I think (unlike Eva Green) she has implants, and she's not really all that pretty in real life. The sexiness we saw last night on Dr Who was good acting - she deserves a lot of credit for skillfully playing sexy, just like one would play a villain or a good guy. She was convincing. But that doesn't mean the actress is sexy.

  • Thats how I feel about her every week .... Karen seems lovely but fuck me she cannot act ... imagine Smith with a quality companion? ... It would be TV GOLD. I pray Pond is fazed out next year, I really do.

  • May 15, 2011, 3:07 p.m. CST

    havok2063 re Regen limit

    by JML9999

    No more limit. Throw away line in Sarah Jane Adventures Crossover As has been reported, however, there's a line coming up in The Sarah Jane Adventures which might just lay the path for an easier way out. In the episode concerned - Death Of The Doctor - Matt Smith's Doctor is asked by Clyde just how many times he can regenerate. The Doctor tells him that there's not a limit. Then they just get on with the episode.

  • Mr. Winslow: Dalek Caan...what are you doing? DALEK CAAN: I AM CRE-AT-ING A SCH-OOL PRO-JECT. DO YOU WANT TO SEE IT? Mr. Winslow: Dalek Caan, I'm not sure that's sure a good idea... DALEK CAAN: WATCH! EX-TER-MIN-ATE! *Shoots a beam which destroys half the Winslow kids* DALEK CAAN: OO-OPS. DID I DO THAT?

  • May 15, 2011, 3:16 p.m. CST

    LOL @ alientoast


  • May 15, 2011, 3:28 p.m. CST


    by Kelvington

    In the clip you are referring to he says the word "change" not "regenerate", the conversation leading up to the question is about looks, eye and what not. NOT REGENERATIONS! Earlier in the episode (and previous ones) Sarah Jane (with Clyde present) talk about regeneration. The words are not necessarily synonymous with each other. Particularly when it comes to clever writing. See the enclosed clip - Romana CHANGED several times before deciding on the form of the princess she had met, I don't think she "regenereated" four times, she "changed" four times. This is only important from a MONEY stand point, if you are forced to end the series after 13 bodies, then the number of regenerations is important. Because the show ends after the 13 actor leaves. If you want to continue to make money on the series then you have to either "reboot" the universe like "Star Trek" did in the 2009 movie or you have to break the number of regenerations. Fans will NOT be happy with breaking the number, but it's almost a certainty. This little fucking throw away line is NOT how they are going to do it. At some point in the proper series they are going to address it, and they are either going to end the series (highly unlikely) or they are going to break the 13 bodies rule (99.99% sure they are going to this) Many people argue he's already on his 12th regeneration with 10 did the fake regeneration in "Journey's End" and what not. I fully expect at the end of series 14 or 15 in eight or nine years, the actor playing the Doctor will regenerate into a new actor who will play the 14th Doctor. They will meet some long forgotten Timelord (maybe even Romana) who will give her remaining regenerations to the Doctor or some such bullshit. Or they will bring the Timelords back just long enough to give the Doctor a new life cycle, just like they offered the Master in "The Five Doctors". Either way it will be cheap and a cheat.

  • May 15, 2011, 3:31 p.m. CST

    throwmetheidol - nah they are real.

    by TinSpider

    No implants for Suranne. She's always had huge boobs. She's says in tons of interviews that she doesn't like having big breasts and wishes they were smaller and that she was teased at school because of them. <br> I for one think she's incredibly sexy. She used to go drinking where I did in Manchester when she was in Coronation Street and she always looked stunning (although she would have only been in her early twenties then) In Doctor Who I thought she actually looked less attractive than usual.

  • May 15, 2011, 4:01 p.m. CST

    About the blue screwdriver

    by karmo

    Maybe it was a continuity error, but I'd doubt it. From last season, we've seen how Moffat likes to throw little hints into earlier episodes that make sense at the end of the season. It may be significant, or it may not, but.....In River's very first appearance on the show in the library, I seem to recall that she had her own sonic screwdriver, and if memory serves, wasn't it blue?

  • May 15, 2011, 4:06 p.m. CST

    Here is River's Sonic...

    by Kelvington To me it looks very much like a modified TEN sonic, but one never knows.

  • May 15, 2011, 4:22 p.m. CST


    by karmo

    Yeah that's the thing. Since Moffat took over, you really to have to examine everything in minute detail. It may be significant, it may not, and as you say, you just don't know for sure.

  • May 15, 2011, 4:38 p.m. CST

    To be fair Kelvington...

    by Rebel Scumb

    Dr. Who has relied on "cheep cheats" for almost 50 years now. I just consider that the nonsensical technobabble to explain things away apart of the shows charm. And to paraphrase Sir Arthur conan doyle, 'who really cares, as long as a good yarn has been told?'

  • May 15, 2011, 4:40 p.m. CST

    What does God need with a Tardis?

    by cube3

    LOVE evidently... at least for a doctor and a captain of a starship... evil entity trapped beyond the barrier of the universe tricks those with a vessel to come on down and let him merge with it to leave this place..... er.. gaiman or moore(outer limits) who grabbed more from"evil amercan scifi writers" shatner didnt need "stone gargyles" or klingons...all he needed was the entity to merge with the enterprise and his "love of the ship"...female computer voice darling... would have saved the day.... stan lee was right.. most comic book writers are hacks..;) though i did like some sandman derivatives back in the 80s.;)

  • May 15, 2011, 4:43 p.m. CST

    A thought about the blue light screwdriver

    by TheFerretLives

    Perhaps it was a bit of a clue to the more observant viewers that the 9th/10th doctor's console room was about to make an appearance? The screwdriver is connected to the Tardis and its console room so perhaps that is why it briefly flickered blue like the 9th/10th doctor's screwdriver? F

  • May 15, 2011, 4:55 p.m. CST

    The thing with regenerations...

    by Kelvington

    Growing up when they would announce that the Doctor was going to regenerate it was a big deal, and of course back then VCR's were just starting so typically you could only see it once. It left an impression. It was the one thing in Who you don't really fuck with. That was until RTD did the fake/cliffhanger regeneration in "Journey's End" and that really pissed me off. When I saw him starting to regenerate, I thought... HOLY SHIT, they hid the fact that Tennant wouldn't be in the finale. Could they really have pulled that type of secret off? Then he throws his regeneration-energy into his hand. It was cheap and shitty way to treat Who fans. Which is why the number bothers me so much, half of me says, when they kill 13, end the show, at least for a decade or so. Part of me, never wants to be without Who for the rest of my life. We all know they won't end the show. There's money at stake here. But it's part of the mythos of the series, we've seen timelords run out of regenerations, we've seen the Master cheat death. This the ONE thing I wish they wouldn't cheat, or cheapen because of money. Change the look of the exterior of the TARDIS, (it's been done before) make the Doctor a woman if you must, but stop at 13. I know they won't, but they should.

  • May 15, 2011, 4:55 p.m. CST

    My last thoughts on the regen issue, oh and a

    by Warren Howarth

    bit of stuff you may or may not be interested in. Well my theory and that of others is that the 12 regeneration limit was self imposed by the Timelords to keep them in check. Stop them becoming all vengeful Gods and so forth. Anyway, now they're all dead and Gallifreys burnt to a crisp, maybe the limit wouldn't be there anymore. And for the extra bit. Has anyone been looking at the official beeb website since Se32 started? They have an ARGish thing going on in the episodes section. Look under episodes, then under each ones 'Fourth Dimension' Tab. There are hidden messages (italicised letters) that spell out sentences. The latest one links to a video clip. Not sure how well the official site works outside of the UK, but if not, am sure its on youtube. Just search for Analysis Lessons (which incidentally when unravelled spells Lonely Assassins). Weeping Angels anyone? btw, this isn't spoiler stuff, its there to find, so Steven Moffat won't eat you when you're asleep for looking.

  • May 15, 2011, 4:56 p.m. CST

    Blue is like the missing pirate...

    by Rob Sloane

    ...a production error. God bless the BBC and it's *still* creaking sets and cardboard wall panels. Moffat may be a good showrunner, but it's down to dozens of artisans working to very tight schedules and budgets to get these things ready for broadcast. I very much doubt he's walking around the sets and props and writing notes for future Easter Eggs! Keep cool, Ummphoo

  • May 15, 2011, 4:58 p.m. CST

    Cryptic clues on BBC website (maybe spoiler, maybe bollocks)

    by Lex Zero

    Apologies if this has been posted before , I only saw this today. I don't think this is spoilerific as it would have to be approved by Moff. On the BBC's Who website There seems to be a series of clues relating to this season. In the overview for each episode there are words in italics that when put together seem to make up a conversation, poss between the doc and River/Amy/Rory poss not. Anyway for the 4 eps we've got the convo runs "All the secrets you seek can be found here on the Webb" "We found your message your alive but what secrets do you mean my friend" "I mean I glimpsed him and may the gods help him or perhaps you can" "to see what i saw click on the spot beyond the doctors home planet" At the bottom of the 4th ep's overview the last word is Gallifrey, and the full stop next to it is a link to a short grainy video called "Analysis lessons" featuring the Doctor . This is probably on youtube by now. Any Ideas as to what this all means? I've just read that an anagram of "Analysis lessons" is "lonely assassins" though and Moff does love his anagrams.

  • May 15, 2011, 4:59 p.m. CST


    by Warren Howarth

    I literally just posted it mate!

  • May 15, 2011, 5:04 p.m. CST

    damn my slow fingers!

    by Lex Zero

  • May 15, 2011, 5:15 p.m. CST

    the last clue

    by Lex Zero

    seems to indicate that its from someone who saw the doctor relay that message. I cant make out from the video where the Doctor is, so maybe its the TARDIS or someone who intercepted the video. Either way I think it's cool there's a whole other layer on this to think about, and hopefully a new message this week.

  • May 15, 2011, 5:26 p.m. CST

    to the McGann fans, come over to

    by lynxpro

    The successor to the Outpost Gallifrey ( discussion form is the website of the hardcore Who fans that some members of the production team have frequented...for example, Moffat used to post prior to him becoming the showrunner. Anyway, the McGann fans are needed because there's quite a few - many UK fans - who not only dislike the TV Movie but also any suggestion of McGann returning. Your "voices" would be a welcomed addition there, at least from myself and a few others. The best place to post would be in "The Infinite Question" section since spoilers are permitted - and encouraged - plus speculation and suggestions for future episodes and concepts. I doubt AICN is monitored unlike that site...

  • The ONLY, ONLY reason the show should end is if people stop watching and the BBC stop making money from it. You mentioned the Master, when he was brought back during the Tom Baker era, he had used all of his regenerations and he was stealing bodies and energy to stay alive. When RTD brought the Master into NuWho, his ability to regenerate was given back to him by the Time-Lords. Now, if the Master can get them back, so can the Doctor. Let's not end the greatest tv show in the world just yet, please. Sorry, if that may have come off the wrong way, but, hey, my favorite show, guy. You're one of the good guys, kelvington, but, I diagree with you on that.

  • May 15, 2011, 5:28 p.m. CST


    by lynxpro

    I wasn't a fan of Spartacus but the Gods of the Arena prequel I enjoyed. Far too much of the time with Spartacus I felt like it was a poor substitution for the greatness that was Rome mixed with the CGI from 300...

  • May 15, 2011, 5:29 p.m. CST

    breaking the number rule

    by JPKk

    I am not sure why breaking the number rule is a problem. If the series is to continue, then a acceptable creative situation is required. 1. Pulling a Time Lord out of the hat to offer up new regens not too creative. 2. Using the current multiple timelines may work if it is Hell thought out. 3. how to maintain suspense when the rule is broken will require some rethinking. For example what if the Doctor can regenerate, but does know if a) he "will" regenerate - each time may be his last, b) a stable generation is no longer a guarantee - for example he may take on a more alien appearance or he may keep changing appearance/personality.

  • May 15, 2011, 5:29 p.m. CST

    Eva Green would make for an epic Rani...

    by lynxpro

    That would be the actress I'd chose to bring back The Rani as a credible - and hot - Time Lord villain. The Master should be rested as a character for awhile considering how poorly RTD adapted him last.

  • They could bring her back as a hologram. Yeah, I know that's kinda cheezy like Andromeda but It could just be a passing bit with this doctor that won't pass to the next. K9 and Cameleon where both AI companions. 'Sexy' is The Tardis and she's ...well... sexy. The Tardis as an occasional companion isn't an awful idea.

  • May 15, 2011, 5:35 p.m. CST

    Hope 'They' Bring Sexy Back. Crap I had to type it again...

    by thecomedian

  • May 15, 2011, 6:01 p.m. CST

    So about "the smell of dust after rain"

    by ThrowMeTheIdol

    What was that word? Petracore? And is it a real word? Google isn't helping me much. Also it looked like she took it as the smell of dirt after rain, not dust, but I wrote that off as a transatlantic thing of using the words differently.

  • May 15, 2011, 6:02 p.m. CST

    axcel1 I TOTALLY AGREE...

    by Kelvington

    the show will stay on as long as it maintains ratings. Even though each year the BBC is gnawing at the budget like some kind of hungry animal. Last night in the UK, the show drew 5.9 million people in which is about 11.5% of the population. If Doctor Who were an American show (god forbid) at least they would be able to say, this show cost 13 Million an hour (USD) and if an episode drew 11.5% of the population it would be roughly 34.5 MILLION people in the US. Which is exactly 13.1 MILLION more people than the top two shows on the US networks right now (Dancing and Idol which draw 21.4 million each). Not only would it be the NUMBER ONE show in the states, it would be able to write it's own ticket for as long as it drew 11.5% of the population. The last year of E.R. cost NBC a whopping 14.5 million dollars EACH to produce and the the Fucking BBC barely give Doctor Who 14.5 million USD for an entire series of Doctor Who, let a lone a single episode. The BBC needs to wake the fuck up and pony up for this series. Yes it's easy to make cheap reality TV but you owe a debt to Doctor Who, and it's time you paid up! Sorry how did we get on this topic. Oh yea, he's going to go on past 13 actors axcel1 you are correct. LOL

  • May 15, 2011, 6:04 p.m. CST

    The Nightmare Child...

    by Rob Sloane

    ...and other 'atrocities' of the Time War. These are things that I hope survive from the RTD run of the series. It really is a shame that the series opener couched itself so much in time-paradoxes and cryptic-arc-establishing and retro-season-five-callbacks. If it had shown the Time Lords weapon; the Nightmare Child climbing out of that lake at the behest of the Silents and killing the last Time Lord to complete it's programming... well, that would have raised the stakes and created a sense of peril, momentum, and urgency to the rest of the episodes and beyond. Sigh... that leads me to- -poor old Dioxholster... he's pulling a Centurian Rory and awaiting the rebirth of his beloved red-headed SGU! Two Millenia sounds about right matey for SGU locked away in the Pandorica of ratings hell. :) As for "Spartacus" -if only they'd make a Robert E Howard "Conan" series hard R-rated and based as a direct sequel to Milius / Stones "Barbarian"... I can dream about my fantasy fiction! Anyway, off to bed for the Ummphoo -it's been a good Docback Docbackers. Keep cool.

  • May 15, 2011, 6:10 p.m. CST


    by Warren Howarth

    Never a truer word spoken there mate. Doctor Who has been for years and will continue to be the BBC's flagship for a long time time to come. Oh and stick about another 1.5 to 2 million on the final figures for last nights episode, don't forget they're just the overnights. Not to mention the usual million that watch on I-Player. I can't believe they don't count those. The final BARB figures won't be out till next week.

  • May 15, 2011, 6:13 p.m. CST

    Throwmetheidol - Petrichor

    by timesfool

    It's "petrichor' and here's some info:

  • May 15, 2011, 6:16 p.m. CST


    by Cap'n Jack

    Wrongo, I've been watching since the seventies and the notion of the tardis being sentient is VERY new. "cap'n jack - you must hate Doctor Who in general then, because from episode 1 the TARDIS has been considered alive. It always had it's own persona and fans from the sixties to today knew the TARDIS was alive. Something I always thought Farscape borrowed from Doctor Who and even did a better job of exploring."

  • May 15, 2011, 6:24 p.m. CST

    Cap'n jack

    by Warren Howarth

    Not true mate, you just need to look further back. The Edge of Destruction is a good example. Then you need to have a look at the Eight Doctor Novels. Admittedly not strictly canon, but there was a whole arc relating to sentient TARDIS. Throughout the 70's and up to present there have been tons of hints and leanings towards the The Doctors TARDIS having its own sentience.

  • May 15, 2011, 6:25 p.m. CST

    Weird bit

    by I am not a number

    Anyone else think it was weird near the beginning when the stitched-together woman touches Amys face and says "House loves you". It seemed like there was more to that, especially since they lingered on that a bit, showing Amy's expression after.

  • May 15, 2011, 6:25 p.m. CST

    Eighth not Eight

    by Warren Howarth

    Thats twice i've done that.

  • May 15, 2011, 6:26 p.m. CST

    Devilgoblins... you are so right...

    by Kelvington

    Why they don't count iPlayer is beyond me. Take a show like "30 Rock" which it's series finale last week drew a only 4.2 million people, it lost it's time slot by over 9 million viewers, and yet it's production budget is around 6 million USD per show. Do you know the kind of effects and monsters we would see for 6 million per show on Doctor Who? Holy Shit! And "30 Rock" is coming back for at least two more years! Why, because they not only count ratings, but views on Hulu and iTunes downloads. It's the most successful show that NO BODY watches on TV. Have you ever seen a "30 Rock" talk back? NO! They should be doing the same for Who. Between the BBC and the difficult nature of doing a production in the UK, it's a wonder we have any Who at all. Maybe if they made Who in Vancouver could we get a nice balance between budget and ease of production.

  • May 15, 2011, 6:32 p.m. CST


    by Cap'n Jack

    I'll look into it more. It wouldn't be the first time I was dead wrong. Although I don't count the novels... thanks for the episode reference to check out.

  • May 15, 2011, 6:36 p.m. CST

    I loved this episode!

    by adml_shake

    I really hope this isn't the last time we get to see the tardis in a human body. I love how she though she stole a time lord instead of the other way around. 2 things. Can the PLEASE drop the Rory dying ever episode or every other episode thing? It's getting old, either finish him off or stop doing it. Its kinda lost its meaning. Lastly, I know they probably went to the previous control room for costs sake, but when I found out they were going to be using one of the archived rooms, I really wanted to see one of the older ones. Kinda wish they had built one of the ones from the old series, or come up with one we hadn't seen yet. But again, loved this episode.

  • May 15, 2011, 6:54 p.m. CST

    looks pretty hot here

    by Extr3m1st

  • "Oh yea, he's going to go on past 13 actors", but, the only way Doctor Who could survive as long as it has is by being on in the UK. If it were made in the US, or "Vancouver" (News flash, Vancouver is the new Hollywood for US tv shows.) it would have been on for 7, maybe, 10 years, then, we would get a spin-off, then, another, and, another, until, they made the spin-off that gets the whole thing canceled. Do we really want that? Answer, no, we do not!!!!!!!! We should thank God the 1996 Fox movie failed, well, maybe not, well, maybe.

  • May 15, 2011, 7:02 p.m. CST


    by frozen01

    The fact that this was the only time that the Doctor would converse with the TARDIS is what made it sad and special. As much as I would like to see her return, it would cheapen it.

  • May 15, 2011, 7:10 p.m. CST

    timesfool - thanks

    by ThrowMeTheIdol

  • May 15, 2011, 7:16 p.m. CST

    frozen01 I agree...

    by Kelvington

    I think this HAS to be an "one off", or it would become like say... I don't know... bringing the weeping angels back and having them break people's necks or some such stuff. Thankfully that would never happen... oh wait... Series 7, she's a companion. LOL axcel1, I know there's a lot of problem with doing Who elsewhere, but it take eight months to shoot 13 episodes... I'm not suggesting it should take a week, but it really shouldn't take more than eight days to shoot forty-two minutes. Also I agree with the idea, they would have spun it off... Thank god, the BBC never did that - K-9 and Company Dimensions In Time Curse Of The Fatal Death Torchwood Totally Doctor Who With The Infinite Quest Sarah Jane Adventures Dreamland Children In Need yes, they would never do something like to make money... never... LOL

  • May 15, 2011, 7:18 p.m. CST


    by Seph_J

    As a McGann 8th Doc fan, I went and did what lynxpro suggested and delved into to back up the pro-8 side... flashing the old link about the place... and then I got looking. And then, no matter how hard I tried, I got looking some more. Damn they're an observant bunch. SPOILER I mean... that mysterious figure, with the moving arm on the beach in TIA, standing next to the hut that just 'materialises' mid-scene... who would have spotted THAT?! Damned fascinating though! Damn you lynxpro ;)

  • May 15, 2011, 7:23 p.m. CST

    Sexy as Basil Exposition

    by Perigee

    I wished that Sexy would stick around - or, retroactively, at least have been more concentrated in this episode, but it would be crossing-the-streams bad. Existing in all points of time and space simultaneously, Sexy would be the ultimate Wesley Crusher. There is no answer she doesn't know; had the opportunity offered itself, Amy's mystery would have popped out of her mouth mere minutes after the TARDIS normalized. It was a wonderful, one-time shot giving the blue box a new depth, and certainly could have implications in the future. I mean, really - even as it stands, The Doctor could just say, "Old Girl, take us to where Amy is being held..." and OOOgha...OOOOgha - there they are. Love her, and leave her be. It's for the best.

  • May 15, 2011, 7:26 p.m. CST

    seph_j please give me a time code...

    by Kelvington

    for this arm thing you are talking about from TIA. Thanks!

  • May 15, 2011, 7:34 p.m. CST

    Oh - was that a dig at Tinkerbell?

    by Perigee

    With the whole clapping thing..?

  • May 15, 2011, 7:34 p.m. CST


    by Seph_J

    I didn't find this, and obviously as I'm not actually Moffat, can't do anything other than speculate, but it's certainly a possible lead. Right, so the theory is that at 6:00 in the wideshot of the beach, there is no hut. Then, at 6:18 there IS a hut, with a black figure stood behind it, apparantly poking out. At 6:26 (and you'll have to look mighty closely for this) the figure seems to raise it's arm, possibly as a signal of some kind... then the doctor says "whatever happens you do not interfere, clear?" and, if you ask me a milisecond after he says "clear" it almost looks as if he glances up to the figure. What do you think??

  • May 15, 2011, 7:41 p.m. CST

    <= SPOILER and for previous comment too. Kelv...

    by Seph_J

    then, obviously, at 7:16 as Amy runs, the figure, having witnessed the Doctor get shot, vanishes (back inside the box?).

  • May 15, 2011, 8:01 p.m. CST

    Seph_j... OK I'm not writing this off...

    by Kelvington

    Most of the time, and typically when I'm wrong I write shit like this off, like the Doctor's jacket last year. BUT NOPE CAN'T WRITE THIS OFF! No way this is production error, or a mistake because I could have easily pulled that out of the background in post in about ten minutes, if it were a production problem. I could take the figure out in five minutes had it been a crew member. Nope, this is real, and is... OBVIOUSLY the other Doctor's TARDIS, with someone in it, maybe the other Doctor, maybe the silence, maybe, maybe... but this will come back as something other than a production error. In the wide shot however, it's possible that the wide shot wasn't wide enough to show the hut. If you look at the beach between the car and the hut, it could easily be beyond the frame in the wide shot. This is caused by depth of field or possibly how they did the focus pulling on the reverse shot. Here are the screen caps - Wide Shot Reverse Angle Reverse Angle with Wave That is pretty cool!

  • May 15, 2011, 8:14 p.m. CST

    Loved this! *SPOILERS*

    by AstroNerdBoy

    Awesome episode. A few minor problems but I'm not even going to bother discussing them as I'd rather speak of the goodness. * The TARDIS chose the Doctor -- Heh! That works for me on every level. An old TARDIS that's not ready for retirement and wants to see the universe finds herself the perfect Time Lord to carry out her wishes while he carries out his own wishes. * The Doctor's Destinations -- Back during the original run of the series (most notably during the 5th Doctor's reign as that's where I entered the fandom), there were jabs about the TARDIS not getting them where they wanted to go. Yet every time, they were at a place where the Doctor's services were needed. My own theory about this was that maybe the White Guardian was behind it, leading the Doctor here and there to make sure that certain things were taken care of. However, now that the canon establishes that the TARDIS was involved in those decisions of where the Doctor should be, I love that concept. * The TARDIS in Human Flesh -- When Rose took the TARDIS matrix within her and said, " Doctor," I always believed that was the TARDIS speaking rather than Rose. While this episode doesn't confirm that, the feeling was identical and I loved it. "The Doctor's Wife" is a great name for the episode because the Doctor's relationship with the TARDIS is in many ways like a marriage. The TARDIS takes care of her Doctor and he takes care of the TARDIS because they care a great deal about each other. * Deleting TARDIS Rooms -- I remember that being done in the first episode for the 5th Doctor, "Castrovalva." I don't know how often it has been done but it was a very nice tribute. * Rory's and Amy's Baggage -- I liked how their issues with each other came to life. There's no doubt that they love each other very much but Amy hurt Rory a great deal and she knows it. In the end, they put that aside and move forward. The only thing that would have made this episode sweeter would have been for the archived Console Room to have been the one from the video clip from the very first series rather than the one from the relaunch (9th/10th Doctor's TARDIS). I'm sure that costs prevented that from happening but it would have been freaking awesome. As to McGann, I do hope some sort of episode can be done to bring him back as the 8th Doctor. That would be pretty freaking cool.

  • May 15, 2011, 8:17 p.m. CST


    by Seph_J

    I thought so too ;)

  • Devilgoblins is right; the notion that the TARDIS was at least semi-sentient had been around for a long time. <br> The references that Devilgoblins gave you were good. If you look at the novels, they first started in Lawrence Miles' novel Alien Bodies, where it turns out that different groups are around bidding on the Doctor's corpse. They had a Type 103 (or 104, it was a number around there) TARDIS which was the TARDIS/Companion of a Time Lord further up the timeline than the 8th Doctor. That TARDIS had briefly been stuck in the shape of a British policewoman. This thread was followed up later, with one of the Doctor's companions eventually evolving into a TARDIS (you had to have been there.) <br> The idea of the TARDIS being sentient, or something sentient powering the TARDIS, actually can be traced back a lot further. One of the stories Christopher Priest (already a professional author, best known now for writing the novel The Prestige that was later turned into a movie) submitted for the 5th Doctor would have involved the sentient creature powering the TARDIS. This was ultimately rejected by Eric Saward, who disparaged Priest in interviews with the press. A statement he released about it was poorly written and filled with grammatical errors, highly ironic considering his running down of using "professional" authors to write Doctor Who. This led to Priest bringing a lawsuit against the BBC, demanding an apology from Saward and JN-T.

  • May 15, 2011, 8:47 p.m. CST

    As for this episode,

    by DoctorTom

    I won't be surprised to see it win the Hugo award next year. It's one of the best of the series, and one of the best ones to show somebody who doesn't normally watch Doctor Who. (I'd still put City of Death as the #1 story to show someone, but The Girl in the Fireplace or Blink would also be a good one to show somebody to try to get them to watch more.) <br> "Bunk beds are cool."

  • May 15, 2011, 9:04 p.m. CST


    by Cap'n Jack

    I didn't know that about Priest. He's a really cool, approachable guy (I've spoken to him a couple of times). I wasn't crazy about this episode, probably because I just don't like the idea of Tardis's (sp?) being alive and sentient. So an episode that revolves around that idea isn't my cup of tea. And I love Gaiman's work...

  • May 15, 2011, 9:15 p.m. CST

    I don't know

    by frozen01

    Doctortom, you're not the first to say they'd show this episode to a non-fan. But the whole reason it is so special to us is because we already know about the Doctor and the TARDIS! Would a non-fan "get" that? The Girl in the Fireplace is a good choice... funny, great acting, wonderful characters. I also thought Vincent and the Doctor would be a good intro ep.

  • May 15, 2011, 9:31 p.m. CST

    Neal Gaiman=Tim Burton Wannabe

    by Tim

    Anyone else get that vibe from this episode?

  • May 15, 2011, 9:34 p.m. CST


    by Seph_J

    I'd take Doctors Wife over TBs Alice in Wonderland anyday. Unlike Burton, Gaiman is farrrr from being utterly burnt out.

  • May 15, 2011, 9:35 p.m. CST


    by frozen01

    Not particularly, no. I mean, Idris sort of looked like Mrs. Lovett from Sweeney Todd. But other than that, Uncle and Aunt and the TARDIS junkyard were very Neverwhere, and everything else... well, was just very Doctor Who :)

  • She also reminds me a little of Romana 1 (one of my favorite Who-babes)

  • I believe it got mentioned more than once in the RTD stuff, seems like there's an episode in there somewhere they could tackle it

  • May 16, 2011, 1:31 a.m. CST

    Captain Kirk: "All I need is a TALL ship..."

    by wtriker1701

    As someone mentioned before, The Doctor is like married to his TARDIS, hence The Doctor's Wife. Kirk had mentioned that before, when speaking about staying with a woman. Even when he obviously entertained the idea of romancing Rose (and all fanboys cried "Noooo!") The Tardis remained his one true love. And she obviously IS. Overall such a classic episode. There's almost nothing dragging the experience (except Rory and Amy being chased around the corners...). It was such a beautiful episode. certainly the best so far within this season! Would be nice to to learn more about HOUSE. Will probably never happen, but more of him/it would greatly be appreciated! And Suranne Jones? Just "WOW!"

  • May 16, 2011, 2:45 a.m. CST

    Eva Green as Rani would be great!


    I think that her new incarnation should be allergic to clothes. That would be a great piece of character development! And, before anyone says "Watch CAMELOT!", I have and it sucked. I can't watch it any more even with Naked Eva. Chris Chibnall SUCKS.

  • May 16, 2011, 3:14 a.m. CST


    by shibleybc

    Been watching TIA again and again due to your post earlier, was beginning to like the Hut idea and was veering away from production problems until i watched the doctor lying on the floor, his left arm outsrtetched as they run up, then when river steps over him to go for the astronaut his arm is suddenly against his chest, then when hes really dead his left arm moves and slips down, Alex Kingston notices and tries to cover it up! so mebee that was also part of the story arc! :P

  • May 16, 2011, 3:53 a.m. CST

    SPOILERS: Whose Diary?

    by veteran_of_mu

    It's not the Doctor's diary. He obviously never has time to write anything down except when he's disguised as a human ... It's not River's diary. There's nothing wrong with her memory and it's obvious she's um ... let's just say she's temporally oriented. It's not Rory's diary. Rory's not really that into the Doctor. But it has to belong to someone who lived through the events it documents. Someone who would paint a raggedy picture of the tardis on the outside. It's Amy's diary. The only reason River would have it is if Amy died and gave it to her. And the only reason the 1100 year old Doctor would have it is if River has died ...

  • May 16, 2011, 4:16 a.m. CST

    thanks seph_j... and to Kelvington too...

    by lynxpro

    Are you both using the same user names on

  • you know what I meant, and, I agree that they take too long to film 13 episodes, but, if made in the US, Doctor Who the tv series would have been canceled a long time ago was the point I was trying to make.

  • May 16, 2011, 5:28 a.m. CST

    Lynxpro... yes but,

    by Kelvington

    I don't go to too often, they tend not to like my videos with a passion, so I avoid them like the plague. And I don't mean they are like, meh... about my stuff, but actual hate... Dioxholster type hate. LOL So I stop going there. At least here they are just meh, but people don't send me terrible private messages reminding me how little talent I actually have. LOL axcel1, you are correct, but still 8 months is too damn long. Which is REALLY the reason why CE left, he said, in various interviews, he felt like he HAD DONE two series because of the amount of time it took to film them. That and he only got about 220,000 pounds for eight months work. To make Who truly spectacular, three things need to happen. 1) The Beeb has to give it the budget it deserves. It's one of the few shows they have that has world wide appeal. They need to treat it as such. I don't see people clambering for anything else out there. Knock offs yes, but the original show no. 2) Fix the fucking production schedule, I don't know if the show runners or the unions or what, but 8 months is 5 months to long to make this show. 3) Keep the Doctors for longer than three years, of course to do this you have to fix 1 & 2. Oh and I forgot to put down - K-9 Australia's favorite flying dog version! That show was so fucking bad, I couldn't even watch it past the pilot. It made SJA look like Star Wars by comparison. And I watched every episode of Smallville and lived, that's how bad K-9 Australia was.

  • It's too sad that the Uk takes so long to film this and any tv series.

  • May 16, 2011, 5:38 a.m. CST

    Ok, be back later, off to work.....................

    by axcel1

  • May 16, 2011, 5:58 a.m. CST

    Not the first time TARDIS has tried to communicate?

    by YackBacker

    Forgive me for unleashing this clip:

  • May 16, 2011, 6:17 a.m. CST

    SFX has posted some spoiler-free stuff about "Rebel Flesh"...


    Although some of it still probably tells you more than you want to know, so LOOK AWAY NOW if you want to remain completely free of info. It’s this season’s most trad-Who episode so far, but whereas last year’s “trad” story (the Silurian two-parter) was Pertwee era, this is straight out of the Troughton years. Appropriately Matt Smith is at his most Troughton-esque. It also evokes memories of “The Impossible Planet”. There’s a lot of exposition to start with, but it soon becomes very pacy claustrophobic, creepy and full of powerful, well-written character moments for the guest stars and striking images. The pre-titles teaser is frankly disturbing The Doctor pretends to be a weatherman The Doctor has a great Derren Brown moment Random words: “Poncy”, “cockerel”, “welly-boots”, “football” The Doctor loses two of something The Doctor says something again we’ve never heard him say before Beware the oncoming storm Someone’s first words are a big clue Rory puts his foot down The Doctor clearly isn’t from the North any more!

  • May 16, 2011, 7:03 a.m. CST

    Neil Gaiman > Tim Burton

    by BiggusDickus

    Conan, are you for real? Burton isn't fit to lace Gaiman's shoes, son. Go read 'Sandman'...

  • May 16, 2011, 7:20 a.m. CST

    lynxpro yep

    by Seph_J

    same name.

  • May 16, 2011, 7:37 a.m. CST

    I'll watch almost anything with Jason Isaacs in


    Awake - here I come!

  • May 16, 2011, 7:38 a.m. CST

    Oops! Wrong TB!


  • May 16, 2011, 7:46 a.m. CST

    "I had an umbrella like you one..."

    by thecomedian

    Anybody else get that reference to the 6th Doctor. I've watched the episode 4 times and I just picked that up.

  • May 16, 2011, 7:53 a.m. CST

    'like you once'

    by thecomedian

  • May 16, 2011, 9:32 a.m. CST

    christian_bale- this is the 2 parter I am looking forward to most of all!!!

    by sam jacksons wig

    My own thoughts? We are going to see alot of shit in this that will have a strong bearing on the rest of the series. It looks just terrifying (for Who). And any reference to Patrick Troughtons Doctor is good enough in my b ook (even though he had one of the naffest regen scenes of any Doctor!!!!!)

  • May 16, 2011, 9:47 a.m. CST

    I know it's off subject and I apologise, but.....

    by sam jacksons wig

    I am completely STOKED with Game of Thrones episode 5!!! Just awesome television!!! This and Who? We are blessed!!!

  • May 16, 2011, 9:47 a.m. CST

    Burton isn't fit to lace Gaiman's shoes, son.

    by Smartacus

    I think you're close but I disagree. I see them as very similar to one another with one very, very big difference. Burton is much like Gaiman IF Gaiman made movies AND (and the "AND" is very important) he did so without make much of an effort to stick to the good stuff. Burton has done excellent work and Burton has also done absolutely abysmal work too. What's disappointing about him isn't that he's dropped a few turds along the way. It's that there are so many of them. Gaiman is like a literary Burton with higher standards. They trod a lot of the same ground though. If Gaiman could write Burton's next 5 films and the people surrounding Burton could talk him out of doing anything else in between he'd be brilliant.

  • May 16, 2011, 10:22 a.m. CST

    sam J

    by Seph_J

    War Games? Naffest regen? No wayy man... the whole 'timelords are coming' slow-mo bit is great, and then the wizzing faces spinnning all around... great stuff!!

  • May 16, 2011, 10:37 a.m. CST

    The Doctor does have a diary..

    by HornOrSilk

  • May 16, 2011, 10:40 a.m. CST

    wtriker1701 - House was a malelovent force without much malelovence...

    by sam jacksons wig

    ..... It was a crying shame that there was no real palpable tension between House and the Doctor, and that the Doctor was not made to suffer enough psychologically. Imagine- Tardis made flesh and House taunting the timelord that his beloved companion was about to die. Idris arguing that only the body would die and House getting inside the Doctors psyche convincing him it wasn't true........ the Doc quickly running out of time..... The piece where House is speaking through Aunty and Uncle WAS great- "pity, you're people have been so kind..." NOW more of that kind of veiled threat would have been superb!! The delivery of the "100's of timelords line was cool, but without a more powerful response from the House entity it just felt as if it all became redundant- here was a Timelord THREATENING A POWERFUL ENTITY that had killed countless of his ilk, and we get........ not very much.....playing up to House's vanity..... anti-climatical. ......the shows of power such as removing the air and the gravity AFTER the Doc had said the line would have shown a desperate petulance!!! I felt the love, I just didn't feel the threat, and that was one of the biggest issues for me and what could have elevated a very good episode into a GREAT Who experience!! Out of it all, Smith cemeted himself further in the role with some cracking acting and interplay with a legendary Suranne Jones. Pairings like that don't come along very often, and when they do it just CRACKLES!!!! The "picking up strays" line reeked of jealousy built up over 700 years.... top stuff!!!

  • May 16, 2011, 10:54 a.m. CST

    smartacus- AGREE in so many ways!!!!

    by sam jacksons wig

  • May 16, 2011, 10:58 a.m. CST

    It's from the writer of "Fear Her" though, Sam….


    And that makes me EXTREMELY nervous. It's up there with "Love And Monsters" as two of my most despised DW (2005) episodes. Hate them I do!

  • May 16, 2011, 11:09 a.m. CST


    by HornOrSilk

    I think we must recognize that "Fear Her" was made with all kinds of nasty requirements which the author had to deal with -- including a very very limited budget. I won't judge the author based upon it....

  • May 16, 2011, 11:32 a.m. CST

    McCoy had a Diary as well...

    by Kelvington As for them looking different in the modern Who, I'm sure you can just lay on top of another one, and point the sonic screwdriver at it, and using setting 93b, it will transmit the ink from one to another. LOL

  • May 16, 2011, noon CST


    by DoctorTom

    I'd agree that Vincent and the Doctor would be another good 1st episode to show someone who doesn't watch Who, probably better than this one.<br> I think there's a lot of people who like Neil Gaiman's work, though, that might not watch Doctor Who normally, and this would be a good episode to hook in those people. <br> I still think it's going to get a Hugo award. Even with some people preferring The Impossible Astronaut/Day of the Moon, there's a lot of dangling plot threads (of course, Moffat's trying to set up a season's worth of things to follow up) while The Doctor's Wife is much more self contained. It wouldn't surprise me to see both stories nominated, but I think the Gaimanphiles will let the Doctor's Wife win (unless Dioxholster comes up with a bunch of SGUZombies to try to get one of those episodes in ;) ....I give the chance of that happening, though, the same chance I originally gave Space 1999 of having an episode nominated when it originally came out).

  • May 16, 2011, 12:08 p.m. CST

    "Not the first time TARDIS has tried to communicate?"

    by buggerbugger

    That honour probably goes to 1964's 'The Edge of Destruction', in which the TARDIS attempted to communicate with the crew by melting the faces of clocks and wristwatches to let them know that they were in mortal peril and time was running out for them.

  • Let's see what can happen under Moffs tutelage with a bigger budget and more importantly, planned episodes spanning a larger arc. (2Legged!!!!! Just for you ;)) Put it this way- they HAVE to get these fucking things right if what is going to happen as a result actually happens!!! Going int the mid season break after MUCHO NAFFNESS will piss off a lot of Who fans new and old, so the stakes are high. So! I give you the double segue into A GOOD MAN GOES TO WAR!!!! Eyes, ears and legs crossed.

  • May 16, 2011, 12:09 p.m. CST

    kelvington- or, erm... buy a new one from Tesco...

    by sam jacksons wig

  • May 16, 2011, 12:30 p.m. CST


    by HornOrSilk

    I already said as much

  • May 16, 2011, 12:39 p.m. CST


    by TheFerretLives

    I'm not sure whether I agree that House wasn't malevolent enough, I suppose it comes down to how much of your own imagination you put into what you're watching or whether you need to be spoonfed. I suppose for those that needed to be spoonfed just how dangerous House could be they could've had him kill Uncle and Auntie in much more of a sadistic way rather than just have them fade away, that did seem a bit of a waste. Oh and wtf about a rejected Stephen Fry script? What was RTD on there? Was he afraid he would no longer be the Only Gay In The Village? Fry would fit in perfectly with what I have said earlier about getting more famous guest writers in, Moffatt should be building bridges now quick! F

  • May 16, 2011, 12:41 p.m. CST

    Fry's Script

    by HornOrSilk

    From all that has been said, is it was not really "rejected" be seen as too costly to do. Fry was asked to rewrite it, but he decided he didn't have the time to work on it. So it is not rejected as much as left undone.

  • May 16, 2011, 12:52 p.m. CST

    Matt Smith as the Doctor

    by HornOrSilk

    I just thought I would bring this up. Last year, I said Matt Smith was a good actor who I thought was doing a good job with the role of the Doctor, but who would have been better if given the rule as the 12th Doctor because of maturity issues. I think last year, that was true. He was a great actor and showed it, and there were times where his lack of maturity showed (Victory of the Daleks being one place this showed the most, imo). I liked him and his Doctor because, despite the lack of maturity, Matt Smith is still right for the Doctor, just I wished he had more acting chops for it. This year, I think all of that is now behind him! He been forced to mature by playing the Doctor. He is now just right for the part. And I think he is now the best of the new-series Doctors. That says a lot about him since I was very skeptical of him. Matt Smith -- you do Verity Newman (in joke) proud!

  • May 16, 2011, 1:15 p.m. CST

    My only complaint: Not enough of the rest of the Tardis.

    by Royston Lodge

    There are very few episodes where they've shown any of the vast number of other rooms inside the Tardis, and I was really looking forward to the chase scene through the back halls. I was very disappointed by the sterile, repetitive hallway they showed us over and over again. I wanted to see bedrooms, and swimming pools, and squash courts, and other bits of insanity. It was a total missed opportunity to add to the Tardis' mythology. I also would have preferred if the backup control room had looked like a classic, white, low-budget control room instead of Tennant's control room. Oh well, you can't have it all.

  • May 16, 2011, 1:24 p.m. CST

    Kill Rory off already; the heat's between Amy and the Doctor

    by FeralAngel

    Matt Smith and Karen Gillian have the most natural onscreen chemistry since David Duchovny and Gillian Anderson - only theirs is minus the offscreen angst. I love the whole Dr. Who concept, the incredibly high production values, the well-written, imaginative scripting - but the main draw for me right now is The Doctor and Amy. Rory is a third wheel. Not a bad third wheel, but I'm beginning to lose patience with him. Just sayin'.

  • The possibilities were endless even with the family friendly parameters set, and my own feeling is that I was sold short on what could have been an excellent adversary and a TRUE threat to the Doc. Let's look at it this way- we know the Doc is smart, yes? Maybe the smartest of his kind. But for a force to tempt timelords into its lair and actually kill them is a big deal. The face off between this powerful entity and the Doc lacked the melodrama of any real threat and peril, and ultimately the Doc (as he does) triumphs with too much ease. Yes, we get a great line "I don't know what to do..." but I failed to be convinced because the tension and terror had insuficiently been ramped up. He DID know what to do, he was confused and it took Idris to help him along. Problem solved. But it wasn't. That WAS the ultimate problem; things happened with far too much ease for a being that had killed the Docs brethren. I felt more tension, angst and frustration (in a good way) during Amy's Choice. We clearly hadn't a fucking clue what was happening then due to the premise and delivery and pacing. That is what makes Amys choice GREAT and TDW very good. However, I am in a minority. I feel glad that most others took out of it what I apparently did not.

  • May 16, 2011, 1:49 p.m. CST

    Cracking Episode

    by Monkeybumcutlets

    Has any one noticed the distinct 'Les Mis' feel to the music in this episode, plus the Uncle and Auntie costumes look very Master of the House, or maybe its just me ?

  • May 16, 2011, 2:08 p.m. CST


    by Seph_J

    Idris = Cosette? I see it.

  • May 16, 2011, 2:25 p.m. CST

    House continued...

    by TheFerretLives

    I think perhaps his effectiveness may have been diluted by not pitting him directly with the doctor, but instead sending Amy and Rory off to be his victims in the empty shell of the tardis? I've got to admit now I think about it House stealing the now useless shell of the Tardis was hardly threatening, no matter how attached you are to the Police Box. They should've just kept Amy and Rory trapped in there and out of the way of the focus of the story like they did in the Xmas episode. But then it is like plot su doku and the whole part about building a new tardis console and chasing after House wouldn't have happened, or wouldn't have been so important. I suppose they could've done that to come after the trapped companions after defeating House and still trimmed down how much they showed of the companions being trapped, just kept them in the console room as usual, giving more screen time to Idris/Tardis and the Doctor versus House. It is apparent though that Gaiman had to do a lot of rewrites on it so who knows how it was first meant to be? As someone who is driving themselves mental writing a play for my local theatre after rewrite suggestions I can tell you it is a nightmare! F

  • May 16, 2011, 2:26 p.m. CST

    Yabbut, they wasted lotsa money on the "House" planet...

    by Royston Lodge

    ...and those shots didn't really add much value to the episode. It's not just about budget. It's also about the choices the producers make about where to allocate the budget.

  • May 16, 2011, 2:29 p.m. CST

    In other words...

    by Royston Lodge

    The episode was, quite literally, all about the TARDIS, yet they chose to focus the fx budget on the parts of the episode that didn't take place onboard the TARDIS. In my infinite wisdom, I say that wasn't the best choice to make. It's not gonna make me stop watching the show or nuthin'...

  • May 16, 2011, 2:38 p.m. CST


    by HornOrSilk

  • May 16, 2011, 2:40 p.m. CST

    Okay, I'm going to trust you both about "Fear Me"


    And remain optimistic about the upcoming two parter.

  • May 16, 2011, 2:42 p.m. CST

    Suranne Jones - throwmetheidol

    by crucio

    Surannes tits are real , she was teased when she was younger as they looked too large for her frame. I have thought she was gorgeous for years since she was in Corrie................. and lets be honest I`m sure Eva Green looks like shite occasionallly!!!!!

  • May 16, 2011, 2:43 p.m. CST

    Sam (sorry, the other entered somehow before I wrote anything)

    by HornOrSilk

    Yes, I know my comments last year, but I thought I would make amends my stating my new revised opinion this year. It is only just to Matt Smith himself. I still find Amy is my most disliked new companions, but I feel she holds significance despite my dislike for her because of the accident of her life next to the crack. It is, to me, no problem to find both together -- she is interesting despite my dislike for her personality. Rory really is top notch, and someone I respect quite a bit as a character because he shows himself true to Amy even when Amy is not always true to him (though I would say this season, she shows herself more true to him than last, and I am happy with that development). So, well, anyway I thought it best to say, Matt Smith is a natural for the Doctor, and the qualms I had last year have been overcome. He really is the closest we will have to another Troughton-- and Troughton has the best Doctor Who story of all time (IMO): The Power of the Daleks. So he is a good template to follow!

  • May 16, 2011, 2:44 p.m. CST

    The interior of the TARDIS

    by HornOrSilk

    I just believed we were given a nod to "The Invasion of Time," and I liked it.

  • May 16, 2011, 2:46 p.m. CST


    by HornOrSilk

    Well, I am not saying the next story will be a classic or not (I don't know), but I think giving the writer another chance is valid and I am glad you are doing so. If anything, given the limitations, "Fear Her" was better than it should have been, though of course, that doesn't mean it is great, just that it shows potential. We will see how much, now. I hope.

  • May 16, 2011, 2:46 p.m. CST

    The malevolence of House

    by 2LeggedFreak

    If you think for a moment, although this was a kids programme, we saw the emergency beacons of 100's of dead Time-lords and we saw bits of said Timelords which had been sewn together to make helpers. Then we saw the discarded remnants of 100's of Tardis (My sisters) who had had their souls ripped out and then been eaten. Thats pretty malevolent !!! The ease with which the Doctor beat House ?--- All the stuff I have read suggests that Moffatt wants to do away with all this "I'm The Doctor ---Run" schmazzle and thats why we are seeing this again ---because somebody is highly likely to call his bluff this season---in a very bad way. Somebody asked about the strange way Aunty touched Amy's face . I took two things from that---1) Aunty was eyeing up a new face and 2) it gave the Doctor the opportunity to see she had a blokes arm.

  • May 16, 2011, 2:50 p.m. CST

    As for House

    by HornOrSilk

    It seems it was beaten almost like the Dream Lord was beaten; the resolution was quick and simple in a way which one would expect more. How we do know House is not, in some way, affecting the TARDIS? How do we know the Dream Lord, is not in some way, influencing events? I don't. Indeed, one might ponder if House, like the TARDIS, is not limited to normal time/space equations and might not, in some way, be helping the Silence control the TARDIS in "The Pandorica Opens." I don't know. But if it were shown last season, wouldn't we think House might be behind the destruction of the TARDIS after all?

  • I have no doubts that someone is going to hand the Doc his arse this year- I mean, shit, they already have if we look at it that way. Certainly things are not looking up for our favourite time traveller. But for a moment think about what you described, and then think of the discourse between House and the Doc, and then think of the potential ease in which SUCH a force was consigned to oblivia. It doesn't add up, mate. Or are we to believe that all timelords are gullible enough not only to be ensnared, but impotent to defeat a force that the last of them dispatched with relative ease? This face off should have shaken the very foundations of WHO!! A multitude of murdered timelords; the being who butchered them and harvested their parts facing the LAST of the timelords...... ..... a cornocopia of fireworks and explosions!!!..... ......or just a damp squib and a couple of bangers..? As I said mate, glad others took out of it what I did not. We weren't guaranteed the wondrous relationship between the Doc and Idris, but not even those sublime moments of TV can dull the constant pangs of "JUST HOW BETTER IT COULD HAVE BEEN..." episode for ALL times became the closest thing to a near miss at perfection.

  • May 16, 2011, 3:08 p.m. CST

    2legged- oh, and series/season arc.... blah blah blah ;)

    by sam jacksons wig

  • May 16, 2011, 3:09 p.m. CST

    Horn!!!! Oh you sneaky convert, you!!!! HAHAHAHAHAHA!!!

    by sam jacksons wig

  • May 16, 2011, 3:14 p.m. CST

    They can tease her as much as they want- just keep 'em front and centre!!!

    by sam jacksons wig

  • May 16, 2011, 4:44 p.m. CST

    Pull To Open

    by paineywoo

    Hi, been reading with interest - best Talk Back on here... Anyway, the only glaring mistake in this frankly, amazing episode is (which I don't think anyone has pointed out) - that: The 'Pull To Open' sign on the Tardis actually refers to the telephone cabinet...not the entrance doors. Police Boxes may well have opened outwards - but the sign on the door relates to the small 'cupboard' on the door containing the phone (this was so members of the public, without going inside the box could call a copper...) POLICE TELEPHONE FREE FOR USE OF PUBLIC ADVISE & ASSISTANCE OBTAINABLE IMMEDIATELY OFFICER & CARS RESPOND TO ALL CALLS PULL TO OPEN (Yes, I really did type all that...) Clearly just talking about the 'telephone' compartment - NOT the main doors... You also saw it used in The Doctor Dances (when the 'Are You My Mummy' kid calls the Doctor - and the Tardis playset also had it :) Which was cool). Anyway, this indeed 'opens when pulled' (a bit like Northern girls). Shall I go now?

  • May 16, 2011, 4:48 p.m. CST

    Oh yeah...

    by paineywoo

    And it WAS Paul McGann coming out of the Ood's voice box. No doubt. I'll bet you my unopened Tardis Playset :)

  • May 16, 2011, 5:51 p.m. CST

    Who trivia-What were the flavour of the jelly babies ?

    by JPKk

    When the Doctor had a scarf and a hat, he had jelly babies. What was the flavour ? They make a big deal about his alien taste buds, so were the jelly babies like harry potter jelly beans / Also flavour In particle physics, flavour or flavor is a quantum number of elementary particles. In quantum chromodynamics, flavour is a global symmetry. In the electroweak theory, on the other hand, this symmetry is broken, and Flavour changing processes exist, such as quark decay or neutrino oscillations.

  • May 16, 2011, 6:38 p.m. CST

    ... and here I was, thinking they were just Gummy Bears...

    by Perigee

  • May 16, 2011, 6:43 p.m. CST


    by frozen01

    Gotta disagree. Rory is WHY there is tension. Otherwise, it would just be Amy chasing the Doctor all the time. No thanks. Had enough of that with Rose and Martha.

  • May 16, 2011, 7:01 p.m. CST


    by frozen01

    I had the same thought as I was looking at that "cupboard" on my flight control TARDIS ;) The "instructions" are most certainly for the phone access door. Regardless, it was a fun "marital spat" ;) And I have a strong desire to defend those of the Northern female variety but as I do not directly know any (unless you're talking American North), I'll leave it to those who do *ahem gentlemen* Lastly, you're planning to cover postage on that TARDIS play set, right? ;) I'm gonna join those who say it wasn't McGann. I've listened to a bunch of his audio dramas, and it just didn't sound right.

  • May 16, 2011, 7:31 p.m. CST

    paineywoo I'll take that bet!

    by Kelvington

    It was NOT Paul McGann, it was a similar accent, but not him. The voice was in the wrong timber. I've listened to both, and compared them. I do very little more than work with Doctor Who video, I put bits together and take them apart, and as much as I would love to say it was him... it's NOT. 100% certain, it is not him! In a few weeks, when someone from the production company says... "No of course it wasn't Paul McGann" I will want you to ship me your play set! I'll pay the postage! On the unlikely chance they say it is, I will buy you something of equal or lessor value and ship it to you. I never make a bet that I don't know I'll win.

  • May 16, 2011, 7:33 p.m. CST

    House was scarier when he was On Vicodin.

    by MoffatBabies

    Wait.. wrong House. You know, all you DocBackers.. you are an entertaining, interesting bunch.

  • House is still on Vicodin. Maybe that was what this House needed.

  • May 16, 2011, 8:53 p.m. CST


    by frozen01

    Too late, I already called the play set... along with the postage to Chicago or thereabouts:P Cuz, really, I wouldn't want to be stuck with that bill.

  • May 16, 2011, 8:59 p.m. CST

    re: Kelvington...

    by lynxpro

    Love your vids, man. I'm pretty despised on GallifreyBase due to my love of the TVM and outright hatred of most of RTD's work, but it is an addictive board to participate on and thus I always go back. I think you and I both were the people on here advocating for a Smallville/Metropolis film with selective continuity with the show... If you say K9 made SJA look like a quality show, I am seriously going to avoid it like the plague and repeats of "Rose", "Love and Monsters" and "Last of the Time Lords"....

  • May 16, 2011, 9:20 p.m. CST

    shoutout to rebelscum & christianbaletrashedmylights

    by lynxpro

    Just wanted to give you two a shout out...

  • May 16, 2011, 9:27 p.m. CST


    by frozen01

    I can vouch. I saw a few minutes of it when I was in London, and couldn't take much more than that. K9 was truly awful. Google images from the show, and you'll see all you need to.

  • May 16, 2011, 9:54 p.m. CST


    by Kelvington

    for the kind words. And yes the Ozzy K-9 was the worst thing put on TV since... since... the ozzy show about young women who were witches or mermaids or something equally terrible. I would avoid it at all cost. It made "Fear Her" seem like high art by comparison. No wait... Ozzy K-9 makes Transformers 2 look good. Yea that's how bad it was. OK, frozen01 you get the playset, but I bet a fiver way up top, so SOMEONE WILL DAMN WELL PAY ME A FIVER when it turns out to NOT be Paul McGann. Here's a few more reasons beyond the obvious vocal differences. 1) If it is the 8th Doctor then why doesn't 11 remember this place? 2) If it is the 8th Doctor who died then how can we be at 11? 3) By casting someone who's voice is so close to McGann's it just takes you out of the story the second you hear it, which they probably don't want to do. Personally, I think someone was being either very clever and trying to make it sound a bit McGann like or, (and this is far more likely) they didn't really notice that it sounded that much like him, because before it was mixed down it probably doesn't. But I'm sure we will get an answer on this soon enough.

  • May 17, 2011, 5:02 a.m. CST

    Live Q and A with Neil Gaiman.

    by Shan

    It's over now but he did answer a lot of questions people had for him. One big question a lot of people had asked, he wanted to show a lot of different TARDIS rooms but the budget wouldn't allow it.

  • May 17, 2011, 5:08 a.m. CST

    The Second Doctor with a diary.

    by Shan

    A 500 year diary no less.

  • May 17, 2011, 8:19 a.m. CST

    First Sentient TARDIS

    by lantern48

    I forget who was asking, but the 3rd episode of the first season starring William Hartnell had a 2 parter: Edge of Destruction and Brink of Disaster, where the TARDIS tries to warn the crew they are in danger. So the TARDIS being sentient isn't anything new and was there right from the very first season.

  • May 17, 2011, 8:38 a.m. CST



    You want me to fucking go trash your lights? I kid. I kid. Shout back to ya, LP!

  • May 17, 2011, 10:23 a.m. CST


    by Kelvington

    OK, I say this IS the final authority on the matter. I politely asked Tom Spilsbury who is the editor of "Doctor Who Magazine" the following - Kelvington @TomSpilsbury Could you please settle something. Was it, or wasn't it Paul McGann's voice in the distress call? I didn't think it was, THX! His response - TomSpilsbury @Kelvington Paul McGann? Er, no. SO PAY UP NOW! paineywoo YOUR PLAYSET... going to Chicago! And seph_j you owe me a fiver! I take paypal!

  • May 17, 2011, 11:07 a.m. CST


    by Seph_J

    we'll see. Until Moffat says it isn't, then I'm waiting, with fingers crossed. Besides, I don't bet with money. I bet with BLOOD. Any more thoughts on the beach hut/TARDIS?

  • May 17, 2011, 11:53 a.m. CST

    I feel sorry for people from England

    by Nabster

    Their best shows are still crap. And their country looks horrible in these shows. And don't get me started on their teeth, and the fact every single one of them is dying to come live in America.

  • May 17, 2011, 12:07 p.m. CST

    The whole episode

    by Christopher Bynum

    Had a Tim Burton feel to it. I'm surprised Christopher Lee didn't play Uncle or provide the voice of House. Which would be pretty awesome. I've been really surprised at how a lot of the plot points from the first two episodes have been put on the backburner. Guess that makes the next few eps must see TV!

  • May 17, 2011, 12:08 p.m. CST

    By the way, we HAVE seen the Nightmare Child

    by Christopher Bynum

    His name is Justin Bieber. And if you have a preteen daughter, she's probably one of his mindless drone slaves.

  • May 17, 2011, 12:15 p.m. CST

    seph_j... wow talk about holding on with your fingernails...

    by Kelvington

    COME'ON! Tom and the Moff are best friends! He would NEVER say something about Who that he didn't know for sure. Particularly something like that. He would just have not responded at all. For shame... for shame... you should just be gracious here because you and a lot of others lost this one. I respect Mr. Spilsbury enough to accept him as the final authority here. Oh it wasn't the Rani, or Amy's house, or the Valeyard... just in case you were wondering. LOL

  • Then, we have our mid-season cliffhanger. 3 1/2 weeks to go, I wonder what that cliffhanger is and how long we will have to wait for the rest of the season (series)? Will it be late-summer (September) 6 more episodes and wait 2 months for the Xmas Special or late-Fall (November) all 7 episodes, with no waiting for the Xmas Special? Anybody know? I don't think that's "spoiling" anything by knowing that, is it?

  • May 17, 2011, 6:38 p.m. CST

    2nd Half of the series..

    by Kelvington

    According to the Beeb it will be mid-September 2011. Which probably means September 17th, then ending Oct 22nd. Short break, then Xmas day. I'm not a huge fan of this break system, but they are right, you do get Who sort of all year round. Now if they only did a cartoon or two to fill the gaps.

  • And, my thoughts exactly. Not a fan of series breaks either, But, yes, it will seem like we get Who year round, and, yes, I thought "Dreamland" and the other one were pretty good and it's too bad we can't get another animated Who.

  • May 17, 2011, 7:33 p.m. CST

    Haha thanks kelvington!

    by frozen01

    An Adipose plushie AND a TARDIS play set? Why, England, you are spoiling me this week! ;)

  • May 17, 2011, 7:58 p.m. CST

    If Mr Spilsbury says it isn't McGann...

    by Mister Vertue

    Then he is to be believed. That man isn't one to tell lies, that's for sure.

  • May 17, 2011, 8:18 p.m. CST

    frozen01 do I get a finder's fee?

    by Kelvington

    Since I did the leg work here, and got, what I believe is the definitive answer, do I get a finder's fee? Since someone, I won't point fingers... won't pay me my fiver. I should get a finder's fee. LOL

  • May 17, 2011, 8:53 p.m. CST


    by frozen01

    Tell ya what... when I get my TARDIS play set, I will be more than happy to PayPal ya the fiver. :P

  • May 17, 2011, 9:12 p.m. CST

    frozen01... that's more than fair... LOL

    by Kelvington

    I'm sure paineywoo is boxing it up right now. I'm sure you need only to send him your address and he will ship it out tomorrow. LOL I'm sure paineywoo is the one honourable person here who was SOOO convinced that he bet something personal and lost. And as an honourable person is now just waiting for you info. Unlike some people who I won't mention. LOL

  • May 18, 2011, 3:44 a.m. CST


    by paineywoo

    "Hi, I'm Tim Spilsbury and as Editor of Doctor Who Magazine (a job I love by the way) am in the position to reveal a major plot point from the new series...Sod Steven and his secrets - I'll just answer for him from my knowledge of exactly how the 2011 story arc unfolds." Maybe I should write to him? Tim? The beach hut? Was it a Tardis? she Amy's daughter? The Doctor...really dead or just a clone/alternate timeline? "Er, no on all counts....where do you get this stuff?" The Tardis Playset will truly fly, if at the end of the year that message is proved not to be McGann (with his new outfit, combat bag and screwdriver made for 'promotional materials' that we've never seen...). Ahem... Why was it so important that THAT Timelord was still alive (almost as if he shouldn't have been?), why so important that the High Council had to know, why did the Sonic bring that particular message to the fore over all others, was that message even in the distress cupboard?...where did the Ood come from, "another Ood I failed to save"...was he even talking about THAT 'rock' planet. Trust me somethings up - BUT if I'm wrong, Chicago gets some shimmering plastic :)

  • May 18, 2011, 7:55 a.m. CST

    Jesus fuck...

    by Kelvington

    paineywoo that's just sad. Forget for a moment that I'm just a fan. Forget that I have no connection to the series what-so-ever. Forget that even though my ear, which is as good as they get said from the start, "Same accent, not him". Forget that I can tell you how old Mel Blanc was just by hearing him do on of his famous Warner Bros. characters. Forget ALL that! But when the editor of DWM and great friend of SM says, "Paul McGann? Er, no." that's just not good enough for you. If he didn't know, or thought it was a plot point or thought he was spoiling something, or, or, or... he just wouldn't have bothered to respond, just like the 200 other things he gets asked ever single day. He would have said NOTHING! So how about this as a counter proposal, you ship your little playset to Chicago, and it will be kept unopened until the end of October. And if you find a higher authority say SM or PM or if in the series finale we find out it WAS him, it will be shipped back unopened? That seems really fair, you made a bet, a bet that by my ear you lost the second you made it. But I went to the effort to find a reasonable source to say ya or nay to it. And they say... "Paul McGann? Er, no." That should be enough, even in GB they are saying, OK it wasn't him after they saw that level of proof. So play fair, stop raising the bar, you lost and if you can prove other wise you get it back. And by prove I mean, SM says for the record it was PM.

  • May 18, 2011, 8:57 a.m. CST


    by paineywoo

    Keep yer hair on! We are only talking about a £25 piece of plastic here :) As far as I was concerned the only thing the distress call was missing was a 'The helpful bank' on the end* ;) But if the producers felt it necessary to put in a voice that sounded just like '8' (speech patterns and all) it seems a bit daft. Lots of other people immediately thought it was him too - was it just a joke? I personally still do - but we don't know do we...really? Anyway, I am a man of my word - email me :) @mac *English Nat West advert that he does the voiceover for...unless the Editor of 'Nat West Magazine' knows different...

  • May 18, 2011, 2:07 p.m. CST

    Okay kiddies, play nicely now

    by Mister Vertue

    Otherwise nobody gets the prize. Except for the people who said it isn't McGann, because it really isn't. Honest.

  • May 18, 2011, 2:47 p.m. CST

    Man_of_Vertue... LOL

    by Kelvington

    You know at this point SM could make a video, with the guy who did the voice and say... "NOT PAUL McGANN" and then show the recording session with the guy who did the voice and let the raw version out. AND STILL there would be people who say it's Paul McGann. They would say they are trying to give us a red herring and that it will play out in series 12 and 13... you'll see!!! You know when the Rani comes back as the Valeyard in the TARDIS that is Amy's House! In one of the GB boards someone said, anyone who has listened to PM in any of the Big Finish stuff can tell you, it's not him. So it's good to know there other people out there with ears as good as mine. LOL And if in the million to one shot I'm wrong, I will be the first person to say, "Nail me to the fucking cross over this" and take it like a man.

  • Why would anyone think it was Paul McGann in the first place? The Moff being cute? "Oh, look, we're using the actor who played the Doctor in the 1996 movie as one of the nameless Time Lords who sent distress messages." I guess I don't listen or look at Who as hard as others do. All I do is enjoy watching Doctor Who just a little more than I do other tv shows.

  • May 18, 2011, 6:59 p.m. CST


    by frozen01

    For the record, that £25 piece of plastic probably would cost me more like the equivalent of £40, thank you ;) That is, IF my favorite store with the largest selection of Who-related stuff I've ever seen (and I've been to Forbidden Planet) hadn't up and "moved" to be some yet-to-be-determined location. :(

  • May 18, 2011, 7:01 p.m. CST


    by frozen01

    It did sound very similar, and it could've easily just been something they took from an audio drama or something. But... almost all of the BF audio dramas I own are Paul McGann, and it wasn't quite right.

  • I believe you, since you're used to hearing him on those BF audios and I'm not. ( I do have that BF limited animated version of "Shada" Simon gave me that I thought was pretty good.) I would rather see him on Who, not just hear him.

  • May 18, 2011, 7:57 p.m. CST


    by frozen01

    Oh, don't get me wrong... so would I! But he is pretty fantastic in the audio dramas. Really good stuff.

  • May 18, 2011, 8:10 p.m. CST

    "Er, no." is a clue!

    by JPKk

    It is really quite simple. First you have to realize that "er" is really "ur". The prefix "ur-" derives from the Old High German language. Originally, it meant "from", or "out of", to indicate an origin, a root or a beginning of something. Adding "Ur-" to a noun expresses that something was the first of its kind, standing at the beginning of a long line. 'No" of course refers to Dr. No. Therefore, what Tim Spilsbury was telling us is that the message came from the first doctor, obviously when he was younger. That is why the present doctor says that is impossible. A huge time paradox Doctor secret is looming ! If you take the alien language Idris was saying and run it through countless online translations you will get: " I am the Rani." or "To be or not to be". Boy those guys are getting tricky with there clues. I think I'll just watch and wait for now.

  • May 18, 2011, 8:43 p.m. CST

    mediat ...

    by Kelvington

    That is some genius level, Batman thinking right there. You have me convinced. LOL And here I thought he was just being polite and just saying Er, no. Instead of what he wanted to say which was... @Kelvington - NO, you stupid fuck, of course it's not him... do you have ears? How would that make any sense... for fuck's sake you moron! But that's longer than 140 characters, so he used the shorter version... and he seems very polite. :)

  • May 18, 2011, 10:01 p.m. CST


    by frozen01

    By the way, do you people sleep? :P

  • May 19, 2011, 10:01 a.m. CST

    Mediat, did you write the clues for 3-2-1

    by Mister Vertue

    With Ted Rogers and Dusty Bin? That game show was just downright sadistic.

  • May 19, 2011, 11:49 a.m. CST

    man_of_vertue, "Er, no"

    by JPKk

  • May 19, 2011, 3:59 p.m. CST


    by axcel1

    Must be a UK thang

  • May 19, 2011, 6:48 p.m. CST


    by shibleybc

    I noticed you slipped in a reference to Amy's house not being a Tardis! :P nasty man! ;)

  • May 19, 2011, 6:52 p.m. CST


    by shibleybc

    3-2-1 you tube Ted Rogers and Dusty Bin and cringe! loved it as a kid sir! :)

  • Ok

  • May 19, 2011, 9:15 p.m. CST

    A UK thing indeed, from the 70's/80's

    by Mister Vertue

    I'm just an old, grumpy fart.

  • May 19, 2011, 9:24 p.m. CST

    shibleybc ... just for you! :)

    by Kelvington

    I keep waiting for that to come back around. Although in the finale when he said, you house with all those rooms, I started to say... NOOO please noooo!!! Thankfully it was just about her family. I would like to know where those stairs go however.

  • Last!

  • Aug. 24, 2012, 10:57 a.m. CST

    Eh no. It's me again.

    by V'Shael