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The Friday Docback Meets 'The Myth Makers'!! DOCTOR WHO Story #20, A New WHO Minisode Coming 5/24, DOCTOR WHO: THE ETERNITY CLOCK, More!!

Published at: May 18, 2012, 9:41 a.m. CST by merrick

 

 

 

 

Merrick here...
 
 
...with a look at The Myth Makers, a Hartnell era story transmitted November 1965.  Please note that this story was lost in BBC’s housecleaning/deletion of early WHO master tapes, thus the write-up below is assembled from a lovely CD set featuring complete/surviving audio from the adventure (available HERE in the U.S., HERE in the UK), as well as THIS reconstruction from Loose Canon.  
 
This story exits companion Vicki Pallister (Maureen O'Brien) and introduces a new companion, Katarina (Adrienne Hill).  Myth Makers also represents the first DOCTOR WHO filmed subsequent to the departure of producer Verity Lambert.  
 
But first...
 
 
 
 
BLUE PETER BRINGS US THE FIRST NEW DOCTOR WHO OF 2012!!  
 
Thursday May 24 at 5:45pm UK time will bring us the first fresh DOCTOR WHO of 2012, when fabled children's show Blue Peter reveals the most recent winner of the awesome Script-to-Screen competition.  
 
Here's Matt Smith and Karen Gillan's announcement video regarding the wonderful contest, which allows school kids the chance to submit a short concept/script, and...if it's selected by DOCTOR WHO's Powers That Be...see it filmed.  
 
 
 
Presumably this minisode will find its way to the Internet shortly after it is transmitted.  We'll be sure to embed it for you as soon as possible.  
 
 
 
DOCTOR WHO: THE ETERNITY CLOCK ON THE WAY SOONISH!!
 
There's a nifty new DOCTOR WHO video game on the way for PlayStation 3, PlayStation Vita, and Microsoft Windows.  IGN has a new look at it.  
 
The previously stated release date for this game was...May 23 (25th?), 2012...i.e. next week.  Although,  I'm not seeing any reference to this date on Amazon or GameStop, so this may attempt to slide in under the radar.  In other words...heads up, stay tuned, and here's a glimpse at the title...
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
ADDENDUM: ETERNITY CLOCK is being channeled to PS3s and PS Vitas through the PlayStation Network (online), thus explaining confusion about its US release date.  Further compounding the mix-up is the existence of packaging art for said game, like this image accompanying its Wiki entry.  My understanding is that this packaging represents artwork for a very limited physical release of the game in the UK (strangely, Amazon UK doesn't offer a release date for that disc, either).  Nonetheless, the game will arrive very soon...very soon...and we'll talk more about it here when it does! 
 
 
 
 
BBC Home Entertainment, Aint It Cool News, and The Alamo Drafthouse Invite You To A Free Screening Of DOCTOR WHO: 'Dragonfire' In Austin!! 
 
Over the last few months, BBC Home Entertainment, Aint It Cool News, and the Alamo Drafthouse have screened the 'classic' DOCTOR WHO stories The Three Doctors and The Daemons here in Austin -  at the shiny and amazing new Alamo Drafthouse on Slaughter Lane.  The response from attendees has been enormous, and seeing these titles projected via the Alamo's exceptional technical facilities has proven to be both a unique and impressive experience.  
 
 
The Daemons is newly available on DVD HERE.  
 
Everyone's having so much fun with our screenings that we're very excited to do it again!  We hope you'll join us on May 26 at 1pm at the Alamo Drafthouse on Slaughter Lane in Southwest Austin, for a screening of Dragonfire...
 
 
    
    
 
...a Sylvester McCoy era adventure from 1987 which BBC describes thusly:  
 
At the Iceworld Space Trading Colony on Svartos, the seventh Doctor (Sylvester McCoy) and Mel (Bonnie Langford) unexpectedly encounter an old ‘friend.’ The penniless and desperate Sabalom Glitz (Tony Selby) has only one option to leave Svartos: find the fabled ‘Dragonfire’ treasure concealed somewhere in the depths of the planet.
Joined by Ace (Sophie Aldred), a teenage waitress with a love for explosives, the group ventures off to uncover lost riches. Little did they know that Kane (Edward Peel), Iceworld’s ruthlessly intimidating overlord, has murder on the mind and will not hesitate to do away with them in order to gain possession of the Dragonfire. Before long the Doctor finds himself playing a deadly game of cat and mouse with Kane’s mercenaries, descending through the ice caverns ever closer towards the deadly gaze of the monstrous dragon that lurks below.
 
As always, there will be prizes - but this time around said prizes will be attached to a much-anticipated, oft-requested COSTUME CONTEST!  Given that an integral component in Dragonfire is the exit of one companion and the introduction of a new one, we thought it would fun to award the main prize for this particular contest to the costume best reflecting your favorite companion.  Runner up prizes will be award to "Best Doctor" and "Best DOCTOR WHO" T-shirt.  
 
The event is free to the public and general admission - which means first come, first seated/served.  However, THESE RSVP MEAL VOUCHERS will guarantee your admission.  (NOTE: the ticket vouchers had not yet become available when we first posted this link - but they're there now!) Due to the high level of interest in our previous screenings, I strongly suggest moving quickly to secure your seats if you're hoping to attend.  
 
This should be a great deal of fun, and we're very much looking forward to seeing you there! 

 

 

 

The Myth Makers 

 

“You shall die when I say so, and not a moment before...” - King Priam (Max Adrian)

The Myth Makers - Part 2:  Small Prophet, Quick Return

 

 

On the plains of Asia Minor, the TARDIS -  carrying the Doctor (William Hartnell), Steven (Peter Purves), and Vicki (Maureen O’Brien) materializes amidst a knock down, drag out battle between Hector and Achilles.   Achilles determines that, based on the Doctor’s appearance and apparently magical materialization, the Doctor is “Zeus, father of the Gods” - a role the Doctor has no qualms playing.  This decision embroils the Doctor and his companions in a years-old conflict between the Grteeks and the Trojans, and will change their lives forever...
 
 
The Myth Makers falls under the more 'educational' auspices of early WHO - as ‘educational’ as any mythologically centric story can be, I suppose.  Heavily preoccupied with ‘historical’/mythological characters and happenings, and scant on any true sense of narrative drive, scripter Donald Cotton (The Gunfighters - Hartnell, Story #25) imparts an abundance of information here - and that information does form a story, more or less.  Alas, on the whole, The Myth Makers feels like a frequently dry data dump when compared to other full-tilt DOCTOR WHO adventures of the era.
 
This feeling of pervasive dullness is occasionally broken by moments of genuine humor both broad and subtle. One of the story’s more amusing movements ranks highly on my list of all time favorite ‘hilarious’ DOCTOR WHO sequences: in the midst of a heated duel with Trojan Paris (Barrie Ingham), Steven unexpectedly surrenders, resulting in a Python-esque conversation regarding the propriety of doing so.
 
 
STEVEN
I yield! 
 
PARIS
(flummoxed) 
I beg you pardon? 
 
STEVEN
I yield!  I’m your prisoner...
 
PARIS 
(incredulous) 
I say...this sort of thing is just not done.  I mean, surely you’d rather die than to be taken prisoner... 
 
 
...and so on.  Brilliantly played by all involved.  A later sequence, in which companion Vicki remains with Troilus (James Lynn) instead of boarding the departing TARDIS, evokes potent truth as the young traveller attempts to reassure the man for whom she’s stayed behind that the upheaval and darkness of their current predicament will pass.  That there is something greater ahead.  A touching moment, and an moving sequence with which to bid adieu to a longtime, and very charming, companion. 
 
 
With so much going for it, The Myth Makers ultimately succumbs by the same pitfall which nabbed many WHOs of this early era: tonal uncertainty.  The Myth Makers feels like its stumbling about, recklessly struggling to find its vibe and footing.  As a result, the expository elements seem at odds with the rather wonderful comedy which is interlaced throughout, which in turn seems at odds with the soap-operatic inter-character relationships and mythological turgidness on which the whole piece is hinged.  The Myth Makers has its heart in the right place...it has a number of hearts in a number of right places, actually...but it never manages to beat with just one pulse.  
 
 
At the end of the day, it’s entirely feasible The Myth Makers was never intended to withstand any particular scrutiny at all.  The transmitted form of Part 3, pertaining to the fabled Trojan Horse and the Doctor’s involvement with its creation, carries the lackluster title Death of a Spy.  BUT, it once sported the infinitely more amusing moniker Is There A Doctor In The Horse?  Which points to, perhaps, the authors’ original intent that we should should ingest the whole with at least a chaser of salt.  
 
Never a complete failure but far from a rousing success, there are some fascinating perspectives here examining how cultures perceive symbols and act on their contexts and prescribed meanings, and it’s certainly entirely possible that...in its original broadcast iteration (which we can no longer see)...Myth Makers might’ve come together fully during it’s large-sounding, heated finale - the Greek invasion of Troy via Trojan Horse.  Based on the scant material presently available to us, however, the story emerges as an often interesting, sometimes charming, but generally confused near miss.  
 
 
 

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Glen Oliver

"Merrick" 

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"Invasion of the Dinosaurs" (Story #71) and SHERLOCK: "The Reichenbach Fall" (Story #6) 

"The Android Invasion" (Story #83) and SHERLOCK: "The Hounds of Baskerville" (Story #5) 

"The Face of Evil" (Story #89) 

"The Robots of Death" (Story #90) 

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"The Awakening" (Story #131)

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"The Caves of Androzani" (Story #136) 

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"Dragonfire" (Story #147) 

"The Happiness Patrol" (Story #149) 

DOCTOR WHO: THE COMPLETE SIXTH SERIES 

Merrick's Personal Journey With The Doctor (How Merrick Got Hooked On DOCTOR WHO)

DOCTOR WHO Title Sequences & DW At Comic-Con 2011

"The Crash of the Elysium" (Manchester version - interactive DOCTOR WHO adventure)

Why Eccleston Left, Here Comes Caroline Skinner, And Season/Series Six Part 1 on Blu-Ray And DVD

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DOCBACK CODE OF CONDUCT
 
1) a Docback should be about completely open and free discourse regarding all things WHO with, obviously, some variation on subject matter from time to time - the real world intervenes, discussions of other shows are inevitable, etc.)... 

2) matters of SPOILAGE should be handled with thoughtful consideration and sensitivity.  Posts containing SPOILERS should clearly state that a SPOILER exists in its topic/headline and should never state the spoiler itself . "** SPOILER ** Regarding Rory" is OK, for example.  "** SPOILER ** Battle of Zarathustra" is fine as well.  " **SPOILER** Why did everyone die?"  Is NOT good.  
 
 
And, above all... 

3) converse, agree, disagree, and question as much as you want - but the freedom to do so is NOT a license to be rude, crass, disrespectful, or uncivilized in any way.  Not remaining courteous and civil, as well as TROLLING or undertaking sensational efforts to ignite controversy, will result in banning.  Lack of courtesy may receive one (1) warning before a ban is instigated.  Obvious Trolling or Spamming will result in summary banning with no warning.  One word posts intended to bump-up any Docback's figures on AICN's "Top Talkbacks" sidebar will be considered actionable Spam - they not only complicate efforts to access Docback from mobile devices, but impede readers' abilities to follow or engage in flowing conversation. 
 
In short, it's easy.  Be excellent to each other.  Now party on... 

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  • May 18, 2012, 8:17 a.m. CST

    What that rave needs...

    by John Ary

    is an awesome Hartnell hologram.

  • May 18, 2012, 8:51 a.m. CST

    No mention of the new Doctor Who this upcoming week?

    by DoctorTom

    I'd have thought that the Doctor Who minisode that's going to be shown on Blue Peter next week (I think it's next Friday) would have been worth a mention up top.

  • May 18, 2012, 9:01 a.m. CST

    Shame this one doesn't still exist on video

    by DoctorTom

    It seems to be one of the more forgotten stories, despite a companion leaving. With some of these stories it seems that even with telesnaps and the audio, there is sometimes something in the video itself that helps a story out. With just the audio there's a few scenes like Merrick noted, and I'd love to see the actual video for that. The confused tone in this might be somewhat due to falling between Mission to the Unknown and the upcoming Dalek epic, with different people expecting different tones to be taken.

  • May 18, 2012, 9:09 a.m. CST

    doctortom re: blue peter

    by Merrick

    The site is giving me major grief this morning...stuff disappearing...BP was mentioned but not displaying for some reason....working to resolve...

  • May 18, 2012, 9:11 a.m. CST

    That's weird - wibbly wobbly timey wimey stuff

    by DoctorTom

    I'm surprised to see my last post show up. When I hit the Post Your Talkback button I got a message saying the thread didn't exist, and in fact I didn't see this thread showing up for a few minutes after that. Maybe the thread activated its HADS in order to try to avoid the incoming post?

  • May 18, 2012, 9:24 a.m. CST

    Been rewatching a lot DR Who

    by Wyrdy the Gerbil

    from An Unearthly Child straight through to Battlefield(one of my favs),nearly every episode except for a few of Colin Bakers(i just cant watch him)

  • I don't expect it (unfortunately) but I'm hoping it will cooperate.

  • May 18, 2012, 9:28 a.m. CST

    Katarina: Doctor Who's "Red Shirt" companion...

    by obijuanmartinez

  • May 18, 2012, 9:28 a.m. CST

    Here's a link to the reconstruction version w/ stills, audio, etc.

    by obijuanmartinez

    http://www.dailymotion.com/video/xn7jcx_the-myth-makers-part1-temple-of-secrets_shortfilms?search_algo=1

  • Recognized his voice - Thanks again for the Big Finish tips!

  • May 18, 2012, 10:04 a.m. CST

    Hi Docbackers

    by frozen01

    Just popping by to say hi, and that I'm not dead yet :) *waves* Can't watch videos at work, but did always like that Orbital video. How cool is that? Eh, that's all I got for now. Hope everyone's good :)

  • May 18, 2012, 10:04 a.m. CST

    Obijuanmartinez - cool!

    by DoctorTom

    Must be nifty having Gatiss on your morning commute. He didn't have Moff with him, did he? Oh, one more BF recommendation, since you bring up Gatiss. The Doctor Who Unbound story Sympathy for the Devil has David Warner as the Doctor. The premise for this one was the Doctor was exiled to 1997 Hong Kong instead of 1970's England after the War Games. The Earth has had 3 decades of alien invasions without the Doctor around to stop them. Nick Courtney's in this one as the Brigadier, Mark Gatiss is in it (though the credit for his part was Sam Kisgart - an anagram), and David Tennant was also in the audio as UNIT Colonel Brimmicombe-Wood.

  • May 18, 2012, 10:07 a.m. CST

    frozen01 - nice to see you back!

    by DoctorTom

    I know the no-videos-at-work problem; I'll just check out the posted videos this weekend at home. Hope you stick around!

  • May 18, 2012, 10:17 a.m. CST

    I think I sent you that vid back at the beginning of the month...

    by dj_bollocks

    Anyway I digress... Did anyone see the Tales From Television Centre programme on BBC Four last night... Brilliant show with contributions from Who alumni Peter Davison, Janet Fielding, Louise Jameson, Katy Manning, Brian Blessed and also featured a fantastic out take from Tom Baker and John Cleese from the set of City Of Death (dunno if it's been featured before - I hadn't seen it but it made me laugh out loud !) UK Docbackers can see more here... http://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/b01h266w and on the iPlayer here http://www.bbc.co.uk/iplayer/episode/b01h266w/Tales_of_Television_Centre/ Thoroughly recommended !

  • May 18, 2012, 10:21 a.m. CST

    The novelization

    by spikeandjezebel

    Merrick, if you have time, seek out the Target novelization of The Myth Makers - it is one of the greatest Doctor Who books. It is written by Donald Cotton, but told in first person as if Homer himself is recounting the story. Brilliant stuff. Also - Vicki's last name is Pallister? Somehow, I never knew that...

  • May 18, 2012, 10:21 a.m. CST

    dj_bollocks

    by Merrick

    Which vid?

  • May 18, 2012, 10:26 a.m. CST

    doctom

    by frozen01

    Thanks :) Slow day at work, so I have some time to poke around. Probably not going to happen too often, unfortunately... too many events and stuff in the summer, and slow days like this are few and far between lately. Now if only it could've coincided with some new Who :\

  • May 18, 2012, 10:32 a.m. CST

    Wheres the regular Friday Talkback?

    by Paul

  • May 18, 2012, 11:02 a.m. CST

    I'll explain later

    by Master of Zinj

    Wyrdy - I'm doing a similar thing, as it happens, although my journey is a little more haphazard and dictated largely by what I can dig out of the asteroid field of user-unfriendliness that is iTunes. Any favourites so far? As for Colin Baker, I've just finished Mark of the Rani, which took me back. I remember liking C.Baker when I was younger for some reason (which sounds a bit hipster-ish in a 'I thought he was misunderstood before he was considered misunderstood even though I was six at the time' kind of way - sorry). So, it was interesting to revisit him. The episode is actually alright and pretty enjoyable. Plus, he's not such a miserable bastard in it - I like CB's line readings and intonations, and I can understand why he gained popularity through the audiobooks. One thing struck me though - a realisation I suppose: all this time I've thought that the Curse of Fatal Death was a spoof. But actually, it's basically a remake of Mark of the Rani. I metaphorically couldn't stop urinating on my trousers when the Doctor uttered the immortal "I'll explain later". Also, the Master was in fine panto form. He could almost have been played by Christopher Biggins. Almost.

  • May 18, 2012, 11:12 a.m. CST

    Seconded on the novelization being great

    by sunspot_mike

    Donald Cotton did an excellent job on The Myth Makers. As much as I adore Terrance Dicks, he never strayed from the original scripts, while Cotton really tried something different with his. Also, see David Whitaker's version of The Crusaders. Ian even makes out with Barbara, which is something that NEVER happened onscreen.

  • May 18, 2012, 11:13 a.m. CST

    Do people really want to see Dragonfire on the big screen?

    by sunspot_mike

    I guess any Doctor Who is better than no Doctor Who and the costume contest would be pretty fun.

  • May 18, 2012, 11:29 a.m. CST

    I am beginning to fear for the life of Whotininnies!

    by gotilk

    We need a new episode, STAT! It's still breathing, the latest iTunes reviews are good, and the fan base is solid, but I'm only getting a faint pulse. ....... thumpthump..... thumpthump....

  • May 18, 2012, 11:34 a.m. CST

    notspock2

    by gotilk

    I do. Doesn't even have to deal with the actual Trojan horse at all. Many things could work, even a software Trojan in the story. But we DO need an episode with that title.

  • May 18, 2012, 11:36 a.m. CST

    Episode # 443 *An Apple A Day....does what again?*

    by gotilk

    Slightly cheesy.

  • May 18, 2012, 11:36 a.m. CST

    Episode # 444 *Doctor, Doctor, give me the news.*

    by gotilk

    Okay, I'm pushing it there. Very cheddar.

  • May 18, 2012, 11:38 a.m. CST

    Episode # 445 Featuring the Weeping Angels, titled...

    by gotilk

    *DOCTOR!! ... Living stone, I presume?* Yep, nothin' but salty, pure goat cheese.

  • May 18, 2012, 11:47 a.m. CST

    frozen01 SO good to see you back.

    by gotilk

    You were missed.

  • May 18, 2012, 12:02 p.m. CST

    Gotilk- you win a prize for #445.

    by notspock2

  • May 18, 2012, 12:25 p.m. CST

    I tried a couple episodes of Whotininnies

    by frozen01

    Sorry, couldn't get into it :\ And hyello gotlik :)

  • May 18, 2012, 12:31 p.m. CST

    Hi Dockbackers

    by shibleybc

    Evening all, hope you are all well :) *waves at frozen*

  • May 18, 2012, 1:09 p.m. CST

    Ah, there you are, shibs :)

    by frozen01

    I was wondering if you were still checking the Docbacks :) Feels like old times, huh? Pre-Facebook, Skype, and holidays together in London and Chicago? ;)

  • May 18, 2012, 1:43 p.m. CST

    Hi Frozen ;)

    by shibleybc

    London? Dunno what ya mean ;)

  • So it wouldn't have a retail date, it would just be up for download in the Playstation Store.

  • May 18, 2012, 2:36 p.m. CST

    icyhot re: ETERNITY CLOCK

    by Merrick

    You're correct...I was just adding a note about that into the article when you posted. Thanks for the insight!

  • May 18, 2012, 3:34 p.m. CST

    Vicki's vs. Katerina's fate?

    by Bill P

    I think I remember reading something a while back, perhaps at TARDIS eruditorium, that Vicki's exit from the series was supposed to be during the Daleks' Masterplan (rather than what happens to Katerina) rather than in this serial. I have no idea whether that story has any validity in reality, or what the source of that idea is, but it makes you wonder how that might have affected subsequent Dr. Who lore...does anyone know whether this story is actually reputable or not?

  • May 18, 2012, 4:13 p.m. CST

    Stormageddon

    by KanekoFan

    TARDIS Eruditorum does inded make that claim, but doesn't offer any real explaination. I would double-check to see if About Time gives any more details, but, alas, I'm at work right now, and most of my volumes of About Time are at home (except volume IV, which is my current workplace bathroom reading).

  • May 18, 2012, 6:35 p.m. CST

    Will there be an About Time Vol. 7?

    by gotilk

    Six is looking mighty attractive right about now. Who here has this series of books, and what do you think of them?

  • May 18, 2012, 6:42 p.m. CST

    Moffat gets a special Bafta.

    by notspock2

    key quote : "Of course the work, and the people I get to work with, has always been all the reward I need - a fact I'm very glad that Bafta has disregarded." http://www.guardian.co.uk/uk/feedarticle/10249094 Well deserved.

  • I really wouldn't mind seeing the 11th Doctor interacting with a holographic image of the Hartnell, Troughton or Pertwee era Doctors. It would be so much better than going THE 5 DOCTORS route again, and having another actor or actors playing the roles. I wouldnt mind also seeing alternate universe Doctors that havent regenerated yet. It would explain how an older Tom Baker was still the 4th Doctor.

  • May 18, 2012, 7:18 p.m. CST

    About Time

    by KanekoFan

    I've got all six extant volunmes, and have been working my way through. Currently, I'm a little past the mid-way point in volume four. I've read that there is a volume seven in the works, but I have no idea how far along it is. As with volume six and the revised volume three, Lawrence Miles is apparently not involved. I like the books. I find their tone at times a little snarky (and I oftenw ildly disagree with them about which stories are or are not particularly good), but they offer some interesting insights, and a lot of good background information.

  • May 18, 2012, 7:24 p.m. CST

    R.I.P. Adam Mitchell

    by gotilk

    After forgetting the content of the musical*West Side Story* this week, Adam Mitchell, former companion of The Doctor's, succumbed to a brain infection that refused to respond to treatment after several flies entered the port into his brain during the second evening preview of the North London production. As several characters snapped their fingers multiple times while dancing menacingly toward each other, Adam realized it was too late anyway and tried to enjoy the remainder of the show with his mother(who had left his knit cap behind in the Hackney on accident). *Too many maggots had already begun their life cycle by the time Adam reached us. My habit of snapping my fingers when I forget the exact sequence of events during specific medical procedures didn't help matters, innit?* -- Dr Smith is quoted in Fortean/paranormal and fandom magazine *LINDA 2.0*. A service will be held in Mr Mitchell's honour at the *Fab Internet Cafe*, with a full meal, a wide selection of soft drinks, free wi-fi and several prominent Ice Sculptors all paid for in full by The Reunited Order of the Lost Sons of Mighty Jagrafess of the Holy Hadrojassic Maxarodenfoe. The Doctor is not expected to attend. He will be missed.

  • May 18, 2012, 7:39 p.m. CST

    @Merrick The Orbital one

    by dj_bollocks

    On 1st May... Tis no matter... I'm not offended in the slightest fella ! But you really do have to check out that BBC Four doc... Brilliant... I've just done a youtube search - here's that out take - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fA59ghHUzNQ

  • May 18, 2012, 7:52 p.m. CST

    Okay, that was random. Also: CONGRATS Moffat!!

    by gotilk

    You deserve it!

  • May 18, 2012, 7:59 p.m. CST

    dj_bollocks

    by gotilk

    Brilliant clip. City of Death has a lot of great funny moments, but that outtake takes the cake. (say that 3 times fast)

  • May 19, 2012, 12:51 a.m. CST

    50th anniversary HAT 50.1

    by veteran_of_mu

    Love the Cleese/Baker out-take. Both in their prime. Such a lovely little gag and it really wouldn't have worked for anyone else. As for the alternate universe where the Doc is still on his fourth incarnation - that's a very good idea. Even better if we can have Lalla Ward back again. OR Tom and Lalla could have been time-locked ever since the 5 doctors - they totter off that Shada punt shocked to find themselves decrepit and decide in the interests of getting it on to regenerate. Still too old, they do it again. 6 times in all - until the alternate universe Doc is in Tennant's body, and Romana looks like ... well, I'd vote for Carey Mulligan, but happily settle for Christina Chong (Lorna Bucket). To cover the lack of Eccleston, they could simply video the 9th doctor from behind while Romana says, ~oh, goodness, not another long nose. Do put some effort into it, Doctor, won't you?~

  • May 19, 2012, 3:31 a.m. CST

    Myth Makers

    by HornOrSilk

    I've heard this worked well for its time on the screen and is a popular one for those who remember seeing it. So I think it loses something without the right visual. I think the humor aspect of it shows some of the value of the tale, and the ending is, of course, good.

  • Yep

  • May 19, 2012, 3:33 a.m. CST

    Criminal Minds: Doctor Who

    by HornOrSilk

    Certainly, someone with Criminal Minds is a Doctor Who Fan. We saw it again this week: http://25.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_m48i1zUhqx1r3tem7o1_500.jpg

  • May 19, 2012, 3:34 a.m. CST

    I'm rather busy this weekend, hence, little talk

    by HornOrSilk

    Helping out with a garage sale takes time, energy...

  • May 19, 2012, 10:21 a.m. CST

    hornorsilk

    by gotilk

    Yeah, I watched that clip too. That would be amazing to see Amy Pond pop up on Inspector Spacetime. Welp, gotta run, before I run out of..... space.

  • May 19, 2012, 12:37 p.m. CST

    gotilk - About Time

    by DoctorTom

    I picked them all up and enjoyed them. I'll agree that there's a snarky tone now and then, but it's a snarky tone I liked in there. As kanekofan said, Lawrence Miles backed out of the sixth one (figuring he'd lose the will to live if he had to watch the sixth and seventh Doctors again - more his words than mine), letting Tat Wood carry the ball on that one and on the revision/expansion of the third volume. There's usually an essay with each story, which can range from behind the scenes stuff to How Many Black Holes did the Time Lords have to tackling the UNIT Dating issue (or at least explaining all the problems). I heard there's supposed to be a seventh volume in the works, but there's also supposed to be a lot of other things in the works also at Mad Norwegian that haven't come out yet (such as Fluid Links, which was going to be Robert Smith? and Lard tackling the novels, presumably an expansion of the I, Who series - which I also recommend, since it covers all the Virgin Books, most of the EDAs and PDAs from BBC as well as tackling the earlier of the Big Finish audios and some Bernice Summerfield). Generally I've liked the Mad Norwegian Doctor Who releases. The Time Unincorporated volumes have some interesting essays in it (and I especially liked the volume that was just Lance Parkin). There was one thing about that series, though - originally they had promised a fourth volume about the spinoffs, but when the 3rd volume (dealing with the new series) came out they said that volume 3 would be the last. I'd still like a volume dealing with Torchwood, Sarah Jane, Bernice Summerfield and the other spinoffs - presumably it would include the novel and audio spinoffs as well as the RTD spinoffs. There's another series by Mad Norwegian which has the first volume out - Running Through Corridors (how can you resist that title?), which has Robert (Dalek) Shearman and Toby (Moths Ate My Doctor Who Scarf, host of many commentaries on the DW DVD's) Hadoke watching two Doctor Who episodes a day, commenting on them. God bless them for trying to do the Time Team thing that quickly, and I hope they don't give up. There is a similar work to About Time out for the new series - Who Is the Doctor by Graeme Burk and Robert Smith? (Robert uses the question mark at the end of his name - presumably it's silent like the 3 in Hen3ry.) I'm into the second season of the new series in that book now. It's not bad - I bought an electronic version of that one. Although it's okay, I think I prefer the About Time volumes (they seemed to suck me in more with their tone and with the essays). Of course, I might find that if they went back and did a Who Was The Doctor I might also enjoy those - there's plenty of room for other voices on this kind of thing.

  • May 19, 2012, 3:51 p.m. CST

    Moffat & Cumberbach visit MARVEL

    by Rebel Scumb

    http://fans.marvel.com/agent_m/blog/2012/05/18/sherlocks_benedict_cumberbatch_and_steven_moffat_visit_marvel_comics Most likely just a friendly visit, but my inner geek is screaming: Put Moff and Cumberbach on a Dr. Strange movie, pronto! Benedict would be a great Dr. Strange, Moffat could write, and get someone like Tarsem to direct.

  • May 19, 2012, 4:24 p.m. CST

    Wow

    by frozen01

    The Docback has gotten quieter since I was last here...

  • May 19, 2012, 6:19 p.m. CST

    frozen01 don't worry, things will pick up again

    by HornOrSilk

    I think there are several things (time of year, old Doctor Who episodes few have seen/heard, etc)...

  • Also, I don't know how many of the British fans went to the Kapow convention today. It's been slower the last few weeks, though.

  • May 19, 2012, 7:01 p.m. CST

    Rebel Scumb - nice link

    by DoctorTom

    glad to see you back too! It could be some ulterior motives for the visit. The idea of Cumberbatch as Doctor Strange works (especially if Moffat gets to produce or write it, but I don't know how much time he'd have to do that). It's also possible that Marvel might be looking to put out Sherlock comics the way they're doing Steven King's Dark Tower or Orson Scott Card's Ender (or, for that matter, the Richard Castle graphic novels). It might be just an adaptation of the stories, or it might be new stories using Moffat and Gatiss' Sherlock. And, if that's what it is, I would applaud Marvel for actually going for the licensing there instead of pulling a CBS. If that deal happens, it could also lead to the amusing (to me, at least) situation where we get to see Marvel Comics mentioned on PBS as a sponsor of Masterpiece Mystery when they're showing Sherlock.

  • May 20, 2012, 9:53 a.m. CST

    Cool idea doctortom!

    by Rebel Scumb

  • May 20, 2012, 9:54 a.m. CST

    Currently watching part4 of DESTINY OF THE DALEKS

    by Rebel Scumb

    Not one of the better stories unfortunately, now that my Nightmare of Eden has arrived, I can watch the entire Romana II storyline (I've only seen City of Death before)

  • May 20, 2012, 1:23 p.m. CST

    The Doctor's Wife wins a Nebula Award

    by DoctorTom

    More specifically, the Ray Bradbury Award for Outstanding Dramatic Presentation. It's the first time for winning one of these - the awards are voted on by the Science Fiction Writers of America, so it's a group of professional writers and not just the general public voting on this one. Also, unlike the Hugo award now, the episode had to compete against movies as well as television episodes in order to win. Congratulations to Neil Gaiman, Steven Moffat and the others who made this possible!

  • May 20, 2012, 8:48 p.m. CST

    Did anyone catch the eclipse?

    by gotilk

    It was pretty spectacular here in the Sacramento valley. It's still live here: http://www.ustream.tv/star-gazers-eclipse It was fun watching the back yard get progressively darker and darker. It never got as dark as I expected it to however. I didn't expect my dogs to act strange, but they did. They both seemed uncomfortable and leery.

  • May 20, 2012, 8:50 p.m. CST

    Congrats on the Nebula, Moff and Neil Gaiman!

    by gotilk

    Very deserved. Best episode of the series/season.

  • May 20, 2012, 9:30 p.m. CST

    Sherlock Season 2 DVD set out in the US Tuesday

    by DoctorTom

    I just got word that my copy's shipping. It's nice that they aren't putting a long wait between the US broadcast and the DVD release (2 days). Oh, for what it's worth, Masterpiece Mystery's supposed to be showing Zen with Rufus Sewell starting next week. I might end up watching that. Maybe the person playing Moriarty will be the next Master - he'd be good at it.

  • May 20, 2012, 9:42 p.m. CST

    doctortom About Time:

    by gotilk

    Thanks for all of the info. Out of all of it, I am least familiar with this Bernice Summerfield character. Fascinating.

  • May 21, 2012, 5:56 a.m. CST

    Just bought sherlock s2 on dvd......

    by sam jacksons wig

    ...been out here in the UK for a while now, but it's reduced to £7.00, which made it a MUST BUY IMMEDIATELY product whilst trawling my local supermarket for produce. rewatching it, it loses absolutely NONE of its zing, with a scandal in belgravia being one of the very best things ever commited to television.

  • May 21, 2012, 6:04 a.m. CST

    hey docbackers!!!!!!!

    by sam jacksons wig

    Been a while, and been very busy (and also ill, but nothing too terrible!!) and I hope that you are all extremely fantastic! missed you guys a bunch- don't ever forget just how special you all are!! HOOOOOOOOORRRRNNNNNNN!!!!!!!!!!! My intellectual compadre!!! I hope that you and yours are in the very best of health- missed talking to you, matey!! Doctom, Frozen, gotilk, rebel, and ofcourse Merrick- ka-tet we are!!! travelling on the path of our own beams!!! Now I'm off to watch police academy 2- and yes, I am going to enjoy it!!! ;))

  • May 21, 2012, 8:22 a.m. CST

    Gotilk - Bernice Summerfield

    by DoctorTom

    Paul Cornell created her for the New Adventures as a companion for the 7th Doctor (the Doctor, Benny and Ace went around for a while, then Ace left). In audio form, The Shadow of the Scourge does a good job capturing the Doctor, Ace and Benny team, and this fall Big Finish is going to release an audio of Benny's first appearance in the books (Love and War). When Virgin lost the Doctor Who license, they used Benny as the focus for continuing the New Adventures. That's funny, it doesn't SEEM like it's been 20 years since she's been introduced...

  • May 21, 2012, 8:23 a.m. CST

    Sam!

    by DoctorTom

    Good to see you back! We missed having you around. Hope you're doing well now!

  • May 21, 2012, 9:31 a.m. CST

    Lawrence Miles - interesting fact #1

    by Mister Vertue

    Whenever his name is mentioned a million puppies instantly die somewhere in the world. Interesting fact #2 - Lawrence enjoys the fact that a million puppies die when his name is mentioned. I just killed two million puppies telling you those two facts. I'll never be able to forgive myself.

  • May 21, 2012, 9:34 a.m. CST

    Congrats to Messrs Gaiman & Clark

    by Mister Vertue

    For their Ray Bradbury Award at the Nebulas for The Doctor's Wife! Very well deserved indeed, I'm sure you'll all agree.

  • May 21, 2012, 9:36 a.m. CST

    doctortom - to answer your question

    by Mister Vertue

    From the last Docback, the Christmas Special starts shooting this month. No rest for the wicked.

  • May 21, 2012, 10:08 a.m. CST

    Off topic

    by Mister Vertue

    James Bond. I'm in a real Bond mood and want to lock myself away in a room and watch them all from start to finish and not think about anything else at all. I blame the new Skyfall teaser and the announcement of the wonderful 22 disc blu ray set which I just pre-ordered earlier today. Sigh.

  • May 21, 2012, 10:14 a.m. CST

    Returning Docbackers

    by Mister Vertue

    Nice to see some familiar names amongst the usual Docbackers. I hope you all stick around, especially when the new mini-episode pops up on CBBC this Thursday (just in time for the next Docback - convenient eh?) with an Olympic theme. Exciting times ahead!

  • May 21, 2012, 10:15 a.m. CST

    Doctor Who Olympic Special

    by Mister Vertue

    If you miss it on Thursday on CBBC, it'll be repeated on Friday at 4.30pm on BBC1. Just thought I'd put that out there.

  • May 21, 2012, 10:19 a.m. CST

    And just to clarify further

    by Mister Vertue

    The mini episode is the result of the Script to Screen competition that was held for primary school children aged 9-11, which was a great success last year.

  • May 21, 2012, 10:48 a.m. CST

    Sam & Prometheus goes Krynoid

    by veteran_of_mu

    Sorry to hear you've been ill Sam, welcome back. And to frozen & shibs. It's been quiet all right ... Bumped into a new TV spot for Prometheus that features a ~new~ monster with - yep, you guessed it, great big ropy tentacles. It's a bit blue for a krynoid but otherwise I think Mr Chase would be all over it. Check out http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I24QUMglk3s and compare with our old friend at http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1V2SWYAgLkI Of course Seeds of Doom lacks the giant head. But I should think Ridley Scott would remember the Face of Evil, don't you agree?

  • May 21, 2012, 11:01 a.m. CST

    And ... doesn't Noomi Rapace resemble the young Lis Sladen?

    by veteran_of_mu

    Weyland as Chase. Fifield as Scorby. Holloway as Keeler. David as Hargreaves ... The one missing piece would be the Doctor himself. Unless ... perhaps the Space Jockey ...

  • May 21, 2012, 11:20 a.m. CST

    Sam - I'll believe that about Lawrence Miles

    by DoctorTom

    oops, there's another million puppies. It also wouldn't surprise me that not only do the puppies die, but they're sacrificed by Faction Paradox operatives (possibly to power their equipment). I would guess that another fact (interesting or not) is that the Great Puppy Killer tends not to play well with others. Yet another fact would be that we won't expect him to be writing any stories for Steven Moffat, at least given his blog postings during Season 5. He did have a Benny audio a few years back for Big Finish. I don't know if he's alienated the people there yet. I'm half surprised he hasn't just tried writing a regular sf novel without the Who (or Bernice) trappings. He might do well there - for some reason I could see him putting out a book through Angry Robot.

  • I was just looking through the interview from years back with The Great Puppy Killer and saw what he's saying about Gary Russell. Now that Gary's back at Big Finish, that probably will keep the Puppy Killer from getting work there.

  • May 22, 2012, 2:21 a.m. CST

    Miles is currently ripping on Terry Nation....

    by sam jacksons wig

    .... about the origin of the name Dalek. Presumably to himself....... alone..... scared....... in a darkened room just off Battersea dogs home.....

  • ...so, presumably quite a few then. Those who wont read them this time around either, so he'll be forced to recap on the last recap....

  • May 22, 2012, 2:34 a.m. CST

    several random remarks.......

    by sam jacksons wig

    1) Playing tap zoo on your I phone on a bus whilst it rests in your lap and you're sitting at the back is not a good idea. 2) If your wife asks you "where is the polish?" after she's been cleaning for over an hour and is not in a very good mood, it is unwise to say "In Poland..." 3) Swearing EXTREMELY loudly in a primary school playground because you've barked your frigging shins whilst wrestling with your 11 year old daughters scooter that has become wedged INTO another childs scooter is frowned upon..... especially by the headmistress who is standing 10 feet away... 4) Playing tap zoo as per item 1, and saying what you believe to be under your breath "come on, give birth!!!!!" (to your white f'ing tiger cub) is an even worse idea. 5) Unblocking an outside drain, and re-filling it with vomit is counter productive. ahh....... the wig household...... :))

  • May 22, 2012, 2:39 a.m. CST

    watched the trailer for s7 a little while ago.....

    by sam jacksons wig

    .... looking forward to it already! Have been deliberately missing spoilers, but it was a bit difficult when AMY & RORY ARE LEAVING WHO was splashed over most major publications!!! And the new companion (forget her name- some soap star I believe) is another looker. Should be interesting come Christmas.

  • May 22, 2012, 9:34 a.m. CST

    Sam - on your random remarks

    by DoctorTom

    on Number 2, the answer to your wife's question was definitely the first answer that came to mind. Number 3 reminds me of the Robin Williams sketch where he swears and his 3 year old picks up the word and keeps using it. As for the season 7 trailer - was that the one that showed at the Doctor Who convention a bit back, or have they put out a newer S7 trailer?

  • May 22, 2012, 9:53 a.m. CST

    doctortom - no newer S7 trailer

    by Mister Vertue

    Don't worry, you haven't missed anything. I'm sure someone here would post a link if anything like that popped up.

  • May 22, 2012, 9:54 a.m. CST

    This was nicely done

    by Mister Vertue

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fztxm4W3iAM Just think, we're not too far away from something like this being official and popping up before Eastenders, or after Would I Lie To You?

  • May 22, 2012, 9:58 a.m. CST

    sam jacksons wig - nice to have you back!

    by Mister Vertue

    Random remark #2 made me chuckle. We've all been there, haven't we? It's awful when words just fall out of your mouth that haven't been given clearance by your brain, especially when Woman_Of_Vertue is around, which is usually the *only* time it happens. Typical.

  • May 22, 2012, 10:07 a.m. CST

    Mr L Miles - A man whose mistakes we can all learn from

    by Mister Vertue

    If only he'd just let go of the past, drop the pettiness and bitterness, and move on in life. He has so much negativity festering inside and he could be doing things that are creatively original and positive, instead of focusing on the work of others and ripping them to shreds. It's not nice to see but he's beyond help at this point. People have tried to get this through to him, but he refuses to accept the cards that have been dealt to him by life. Such a shame that all of this is being played out on the internet for all to see. The sad thing is, if he'd had a bit more dignity, humility and class, I very much doubt he'd be in the position he's in right now and actually doing the creative work he's always wanted to do. A prime example of not being very nice to the people you pass on the way up the ladder and then having to meet them again on the way back down.

  • May 22, 2012, 4:42 p.m. CST

    doctom- nope, it's the one with the fucked up cowboy....

    by sam jacksons wig

    ... I am a bit behind, and was intending to avoid all spoilers going into the new series, but the trailer was a dish too saucy not to eat!! I can tell you that the wifey was not at all impressed by my remarks, especially as my eldest had fucked up her clean kitchen sink about 2 minutes before hand by emptying a scabby looking ancient cup of tea into it and refusing to force the gunge down the plughole. As for the tap zoo erm...... unpleasantness... it seriously looked as if I were masturbating frantically at the back of the bus. One woman kept forcing herself not to look. I had a crazed look on my face trying to manage that bastard zoo and nothing else mattered. Removing the phone from my groinal area would probably have been a good idea.....

  • May 22, 2012, 4:46 p.m. CST

    MOV!!! Good to be back!!!!......

    by sam jacksons wig

    ...I think I just needed a bit of a break for a while to get my head back in the game. Missed the place in absolute truth, and posted once or twice but couldn't bring myself to get back into it full time, if you know what I mean. Alot of things have changed for me, and I am in a far better place after a bit of a rough patch. Glad to see that you're still here- the place wouldn't be the same without you!!

  • ...twat is probably one of them.

  • May 22, 2012, 4:55 p.m. CST

    MOV- it's part of the marital vows.....

    by sam jacksons wig

    ... do you promise to put your foot in it at every frigging opportunity and to speak without thought, even though you realise that you will get the silent treatment for a couple of days??? It's certainly not the worst thing I've said to her. She was watching a programme called "10 years younger" (or something like that), in which two women are subjected to riddicule about their appearance before one goes under the knife and the other gets plastered in make up. My wife then said " hmmmm- I wonder what it would take to make me look 10 years younger?" "About 20 pints......" was the worst answer I could have possibly given... and did. I am still married....... how I have NO fucking idea. :))

  • May 22, 2012, 6:27 p.m. CST

    Like the Youtube Vid MOV

    by cosmic_dolphin

    Kinda cool how it featured clips from right across the shows history and tied them together. You know I'm jealous of those schoolkids who get to write a mini episode, really wish they would have a version for adults ! Whilst were on the subject of Dr Who related creative endevours I've finished my song inspired by the end of the last series....you know..the question... I've deliberately kept it subtle so it can be appreciated by non-fans of the show ( and I don't get into any bother ! ) but hopefully some of the Docbackers may enjoy it. http://www.reverbnation.com/play_now/song_13328320

  • May 23, 2012, 1:45 a.m. CST

    cosmic_dolphin - yeah, not bad at all mate....

    by sam jacksons wig

    .... did you write and arrange all of the music yourself, or did you sample and mix?

  • Very Cool Cosmic Dolphin! Though ... there are non-fans of the show? Anyway, now that some of our old crew are back on board, I want to raise a really important question of my own. Not ~Doc. Tor. Who?~. Something more basic. I mean a burning question that's hidden in plain sight right here on the Docback. The only question that really matters to us at this point in time when there's no weekly episodes to sustain us and we just have to wait and trust. I know I ought to trust. My original dislike of the first Sherlock episode came from failing to trust. Once I just decided to trust the Moff and look - really, look - I found the clue easily enough. And of course I loved it. And loved that the gaff hadn't been blown by some easy answer, that the solution was always there and I'd just really had to do the Sherlockian work. Made me feel much closer to the show and its auteurs. But ... that bit of ~gibberish~ in the Doctor's Wife. I didn't buy that it's gibberish. I mean, yes, I've run it backwards, forwards, upside down, analyzed the signal and got nothing. It has been, at a minimum, reversed. But that's not the problem. The problem is that the Moff declared officially it is gibberish. For no other reason than that he wanted to throw in a bit more mystery. He just plonked in a bit of nonsense to tweak the true obsessives like ... well, like me. And maybe you. Yes, it's a long game. Okay, we can live with that. We can live with a long delay in the long game too. But think about it. All these pieces floating around incomplete. How long is the game? Is it possible that even the Moff can bring all this in to land? And do it with a bunch of no-continuity disconnected episodes in S7? Or ... is it all going to come to gibberish? I mean if the Moff just turned around and said, what, you really thought there was an Answer at Trenzalore to the Question? Come along Whovians, you know it's fantasy-wantasy, never was supposed to add up, it's just a kid's show ... you might as well ask what Teletubbies means. It's all Wibbly Wobbly Pinky Winky ... So this is my question for you all. Search your soul. Do you trust that all this is really going to pay off? Or don't you? To put it in the new vernacular ... Mof. Fat. Who?

  • May 23, 2012, 3:20 a.m. CST

    Sam Jackons Wig, Caractacuspotts

    by cosmic_dolphin

    Thanks for the listen. Yeah just a hobby really but it was all written by me. I played the acoustic guitars and did the vocals , synths , etc and got a few mates in to play electric guitar, live drums and backing vocals. I think the only samples are the heavy drum loop, and there's a backwards type synth sample in the bridge I did the mix & production side of it too. Glad you like it anyway, I might give it another plug when the show airs again and the threads are busier. It's part of an album I'm doing, it was quite a good jumping off point actually to do something a bit darker than normal. I've nicknamed it the Dark Dolphin Project for now but it'll probably take a year or more to finish and then I'll get a few copies pressed up and put it out on Itunes etc and do some promotion.

  • May 23, 2012, 9:38 a.m. CST

    caractacus......

    by sam jacksons wig

    ..... if there was one thing that the mixed bag of season 6 taught me, it was this: Never over-think things. Perversely, I do honestly believe that a good proportion of the fans knew that River Song was destined to kill the doctor all the way back in season 5 after they stepped off the byzantium. But just because it seemed so and was the most obvious answer to the riddle, us Who-vians who do like a mystery looked elsewhere for the answers, and after all of our theorising found that the actual reveal fell completely flat as nothing could have lived up to our own fevered expectations. The same can be said of River as Amys mum; we knew and we disregarded for more fanciful theories as the obvious just doesn't seem palatable enough. I could go on and on and on, but thankfully wont. And there-in lies the beauty of Who and the Moff- it gets you thinking, and I have rarely come across a show that allows you to do just that. Moff presents it to you, HIDING IN PLAIN SIGHT if you will, and says-"okay, start your engines guys!!!" What we do with it after that is up to us. So, do I think the sounds were gibberish? Yup. Do I think that on the plains of Trenzalore the question will be asked and answered? Yup. But prepare for a couple of swerves along the way- the rebel flesh proved that and took our fucking breath away! SJW :)) p.s- good to speak to you again my friend!!

  • May 23, 2012, 9:46 a.m. CST

    Caractuspotts - I think it will pay off

    by DoctorTom

    Probably just not the way we expect it. Right now, just based on what we've been given, all we know is that on the fields of Trenzalore the question must be answered truthfully. I think I see the loophole right now. I fully expect River to also be at the fields of Trenzalore and would not be surprised that if the question Doc.Tor.Who? gets asked, she ends up giving the answer. It will be who the Doctor is to her. Some people might see this as a cop out on the whole thing, but if they go this way it would actually be revealing some truths about River and her actual feelings about the Doctor. The emotional resonance with that would most likely make it okay without having to necessarily have the Doctor do an infodump on his past. Of course, I give it a 50% chance that even if River pipes in to try to interrupt, the Doctor gives his answer anyway. Maybe we'll see the universe cracking at that point, the Time Lords, Daleks, Omega and all the rest come back, and the Order of the Silence has to step in to try to contain the damage - with the Master's and/or the Dream Lord/Valeyard's help. We're close to a year away on this, though, since it will be the tail end of Season 7 if not punted back past that into late 2013 (for the 50th anniversary special). We'll have plenty of stuff to watch before that.

  • ...a great synth mock-up that will have you trilling Roger Delgado's "Master" theme til the cows come home! (You can even record your ditty - NEAT-O...) http://www.google.com/webhp?hl=en&tab=ww

  • May 23, 2012, 5 p.m. CST

    obijuanmartinez

    by sam jacksons wig

    already been playing with it! unfortunately not pertwee stuff, but trying to re-create 70's Rush....

  • May 23, 2012, 6:50 p.m. CST

    @sam's wig: Sweet! Cygnus X-1, Book II, 1st Movement - GO!!!

    by obijuanmartinez

  • May 24, 2012, 5:42 a.m. CST

    obijuanmartinez

    by sam jacksons wig

    Xanadu......

  • May 24, 2012, 11:32 a.m. CST

    @sam's: DUDE...that's a heavy-duty tune, and...

    by obijuanmartinez

    ...hope you got your Taurus pedals! I had a hybrid of Neil's 'Hemispheres' & 'Exit Stage Left' drum kits in my parents' basement during my college undergrad years, complete with temple blocks, bells, gong, bell-tree, chimes, timbales, crotales, and glockenspiel - RIDICULOUS! Sold most of it in pieces. I'm actually phasing down my last acoustic kit (a double-bass monstrosity that's based mostly on Terry Bozzio's Zappa years & Bruford's King Crimson era) to a much smaller, fully electronic rig. Nightmare, but necessary, now that I just lost my man cave to my daughter (to make way for the next kid I have coming in August). Anyway, I took my 12 & 16 y/o nephews to see the Rush / Time Machine tour last year (the one where they played 'Moving Pictures' in its entirety for the 2nd act), and they were shocked to see me (and a zillion other drummers in the crowd) air-drumming for the entire show...

  • May 24, 2012, 12:55 p.m. CST

    Wow - Steven Baxter's writing a Doctor Who novel

    by DoctorTom

    Overall it seems like they're going out of their way to get the established authors in writing the (deluxe size) Doctor Who novels. This is a good thing. I just saw this posted over at the Doctor Who News page. Baxter's story will be with the 2nd Doctor.