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Merrick here...


Last week’s Asylum of the Daleks brought us the startling introduction of Jenna Louise-Coleman as Oswin.  We’d previously known Coleman had been cast to play the Doctor’s new companion, replacing Amy and Rory (Karen Gillan and Arthur Darvill), who be leaving the show in Episode Five this year (this has been previously and officially announced - thus is not a “spoiler”).  


What we DIDN’T know, however, is that Coleman would play a significant role in Season/Series 7‘s opener - arriving on DW months ahead of her publicized Christmas start date.  Of course, the big question now is exactly how Oswin/Coleman will return to the show given her apparent disposition in Asylum’s closing moments.  The mind reels with possibilities.







Last week, one or two Docbackers suggested that...perhaps...Oswin found a way to distill herself into that Dalek nanocloud which was discussed during Asylum...and teleported directly into the TARDIS with the Doctor at episode’s end...where she’ll find some way to re-assemble herself (unseen) over the next few be fully baked by Christmas...when she’ll be re-discovered by the Doctor, inside of the TARDIS.  

This theory would be in keeping with WHO overlord Steven Moffat’s assertion that the new companion will be found in an ‘unexpected place’ (forgive the clumsy paraphrase), as it has her discovered in two unexpected places:  a Dalek asylum, and the TARDIS itself.

I like this -  it seems the most probable circumstance I've seen postulated thus far.  Is this how Oswin’s arc will pan out?  We’ll see...


I’ve been in this line of work for a long, long time (close to two decades), and in all the years I’ve been doing this, I can’t recall any production ever concealing such a significant reveal so thoroughly and audaciously.  An affectionate tip of the hat to all involved - especially to the masses who respected DW enough to keep Coleman’s presence in Asylum a secret.  It would’ve been so easy for her debut to be spoiled given that multiple, well-attended, public screenings of the episode were conducted in the weeks leading up to its transmission.  Yet not a word was breathed - and the surprise floored millions.  


Which brings us to Dinsoaurs on a Spaceship, the second DOCTOR WHO Season/Series 7 episode, which...not surprisingly...involves Dinosaurs.  On a spaceship.  More on this shortly.  But first...










Docbacks are regularly visited by participants from across the globe - which is tremendously cool.  Global visitors are cool.  Alas, DOCTOR WHO is shown in different times in different places across the world...  


For example, it transmits in the UK early evening  - which is early afternoon US time.  




This Docback will remain a SPOILER FREE ZONE until DOCTOR WHO’s initial UK transmit (which occurs early afternoon Saturday, US time).  


Once DW transmits in the UK, SPOILERS will be allowed in this forum.  Thus, folks wishing to remain unsoiled by Dinosaurs on a Spaceship details until they've seen the episode for themselves may wish to tread very, very carefully if entering this Docback after late morning(ish) North American time.  


Please note the Spoiler Warning Policy posted on the Code of Conduct below.  









An iTunes-exclusive Asylum of the Daleks prequel has finally slipped the surly bonds of Apple and is now spreading across the Net.  It pretty much sets up how the Doctor got swept into the events which open Asylum.  


Many of you may’ve seen this already, but given that it leaked (for the most part) after the last Docback was postedthe completist in me thought I’d post it here for you, just in case...






You can now see it HERE in HD and HERE in standard def.  I'll update this spot with Dinosaurs on a Spaceship when it becomes available.  





...mentioned that he’s writing another episode of DOCTOR WHO.   He indicated being on the third raft of its script while accepting a Hugo award for The Doctor’s Wife - his stunning Season/Series 6 outing on the show.  That episode was nominated for and received the Hugo for Best Dramatic Presentation - Short Form.  Scripter Tom McCrae’s emotionally charged S6 entry The Girl Who Waited was also nominated, as was Steven Moffat’s weird and lovely A Good Man Goes to War - S6 as well).  








Dinosaurs on a Spaceship - SPOILER FREE REVIEW 





It’s hard to look at the title of this episode and not smile - the very notion is the stuff Geek dreams are made of.  The title also conjures images of silly, over-the-top shenanigans - and there are certainly a few giddily dopey moments peppered throughout to let us know this installment is never taking itself too seriously. 

This said, DoaS is far from frivolous.  That cinematic poster at the top of this review?  In no way does justice to the tone or substance you'll find in this episode.  In fact, when all is said and done, Dinosaurs emerges as one of the more well-balanced DOCTOR WHOs in quite some time - deftly juggling engaging comedy, intense circumstance, badass action, heartfelt sentiment, and no small amount of bawdy innuendo.  All crisply directed by Saul Metzstein, smartly scripted by Chris Chibnall, and stunningly photographed by Stephan Pehrsson.  

Tim Porter’s editing is spot on and lands all the right beats with just the right cadence, and the ample effects work (both CG and practical) is extremely well realized here.  My screener was not presented in HD - and I’m very eager to see how the dinos and robots seen here shake-out in higher-resolution - but on my standard def version, both looked very top notch.  There is most assuredly money on-screen in this one.  

Dinosaurs’ storyline forces Matt Smith to repeatedly shift gears at what must’ve been an exhausting pace - and Smith brazenly hits the mark every time, often to the point of genius.  I’ve loved Smith in this role since The Eleventh Hour, his first appearance as the Doctor.  But Dinosaurs may well represent his broadest and most self-assured turn in the part yet.  

Other players are uniformly strong across the board.  Rupert Graves brings irresistible boyish swagger to Riddell (his ill-advised and wholly impractical first reaction to seeing a dinosaur is hysterical).

Riann Steele infuses Nefertiti with mesmerizing intellect, intimidating courage, and ample hotness  - and Mark Williams (playing Rory’s dad Brian) gets one of the simplest, finest, poetic moments DW has seen in quite some time.  And, yes, HARRY POTTER’s David Bradley is pretty great as well. 

His role is, perhaps, a tad one-dimensional - but he achieves exactly what he’s going for, and a rather strong argument could be made that such lack of dimension is wholly appropriate (and perhaps even necessary) considering the overall dynamic of this story.  

Darvill and Gillan’s Amy and Rory Pond (yes I did that on purpose) have pretty much returned to form in Dinosaurs, after not being in the best of places (literally and figuratively) in last week’s Asylum of the Daleks.  Darvill’s Rory shares a fleeting exchange with Smith’s Doctor in this episode which is among the funniest gags in recent WHO memory (I won’t spoil it, but it involves the Doctor excitedly yelling “I do!”  You'll know it when you see it.)  

Some Docbackers have voiced reservations about scripter Chibnall’s return to WHO this Season.  Personally, I rather enjoyed his S5 entries The Hungry Earth and Cold Blood (although I thought the first was a bit more fully realized than the later), and the energy, charm, cleverness, and sensibility evidenced in his Dinosaurs script suggests that we may see very great things coming from him in the show’s future.  The Power of Three -  Episode Four of this Season - is another Chibnall story.  We haven’t heard much about it - but now, more than ever, I’m curious to learn more.  Dinosuars director Metzstein (UPSTAIRS DOWNSTAIRS) returns for next week’s episode, A Town Called Mercy.

A tremendously entertaining and brillianjtly weighed romp with a great deal of heart and a few moments of unexpected ‘oomph’ - Dinosaurs on a Spaceship transmits 9/8C on BBC America  (19:35 BBC One, , 8 on Space).  I'm not sure the various trailers for DoaS have conveyed its tone either adequately or accurately.  If you've been on the fence about this one because of its title (or that poster) - be sure to give it a try.  You may well be quite surprised.  











A Town Called Mercy  (S07E03)  






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"The Impossible Astronaut"

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"The Keys of Marinus(Story #5)

"The Aztecs" (Story #6)

"The Sensorites" (Story #7)

"The Sensorites" (Story #7 - full DVD release) 

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"The Dalek Invasion of Earth" (Story #10)

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"The Crusade" (Story #14) 

"The Space Museum" (Story #15) 

"The Chase" (Story #16) 

"The Time Meddler" (Story #17) 

"Galaxy 4" (Story #18) 

"Mission to the Unkonwn" (Story #19) 

"The Myth Makers" (Story #20) 

"The Gunfighters" (Story #25)

"The Tomb of the Cybermen" (Story #37)

"The Mind Robber" (Story #45)

"The Krotons" (Story #47)

"The Seeds of Death" (Story #48) 

"Spearhead from Space" (Story #51) 

"The Colony in Space" (Story #58) 

"The Daemons" (Story #59) 

"Day of the Daleks" (Story #60) + Preview of the DotD Special Edition

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"Carnival of Monsters" (Story #66) 

"Death to the Daleks" (Story #72) 

"Invasion of the Dinosaurs" (Story #71) and SHERLOCK: "The Reichenbach Fall" (Story #6) 

"The Android Invasion" (Story #83) and SHERLOCK: "The Hounds of Baskerville" (Story #5) 

"The Face of Evil" (Story #89) 

"The Robots of Death" (Story #90) 

"The Talons of Weng-Chiang" (Story #91)

"The Sun Makers(Story #95)

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"Nightmare of Eden" (Story #107) 

"Kinda" (Story #118)

"Snakedance" (Story #125) 

"The Five Doctors" (Story #129) 

"The Awakening" (Story #131)

"Frontios(Story #132)

"Resurrection of the Daleks" (Story #134) 

"The Caves of Androzani" (Story #136) 

"Time and the Rani" (Story #144)

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"The Happiness Patrol" (Story #149) 

"The Greatest Show in the Galaxy" (Story #151) 

"Doctor Who: The Movie" (aka TVM) - McGann) 


Merrick's Personal Journey With The Doctor (How Merrick Got Hooked On DOCTOR WHO)

DOCTOR WHO Title Sequences & DW At Comic-Con 2011

"The Crash of the Elysium" (Manchester version - interactive DOCTOR WHO adventure)

Why Eccleston Left, Here Comes Caroline Skinner, And Season/Series Six Part 1 on Blu-Ray And DVD

New Trailer For Season/Series Six Part 2

The Companions of DOCTOR WHO + New Trailer & Artwork For Season/Series 7  







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  • Sept. 7, 2012, 8:31 a.m. CST


    by Bryan c

  • Sept. 7, 2012, 8:45 a.m. CST

    Looks great!

    by mbg98

    Nice theory about Oswin, btw. Her appearance in the 1st episode bodes well for the rest of the Pond-less season (in April)

  • Sept. 7, 2012, 8:50 a.m. CST

    HAT #11023 - Oswin as Virus

    by veteran_of_mu

    Love Merrick but sometimes I think he doesn't love me quite so well. Or maybe it's not me so much as my Sherlockian methods. Oh well. Anyway while the theory Merrick favours above is okay so far as it goes I really think these things go better when properly grounded in the facts as presented. To whit: 1) The Daleks are all linked by a telepathic Internet called Pathnet. 2) Insane Daleks are isolated to prevent them from challenging the Parliament. 3) Daleks routinely convert non-Daleks into Dalek puppets - slave servers on the Pathnet. 4) Conversion empties out their memories which are transcribed into files. It also turns them into haters - a metaphor for Internet trolls. 5) Oswin scares the eggs off the Daleks because she can empty out their memories. Any and all of their memories. She can do to them what they do to everyone else. 6) Oswin was a genius hacker slumming on a luxury starliner that for one reason or another got converted. Once her memories got inside Pathnet they weren't just ordinary files. She can take control of it. 7) Realising they'd been hacked the Daleks attempt to isolate Oswin in the Asylum. This doesn't work - obviously because when she hacks Daleks in the Asylum the effects are felt outside. 8) The Daleks have no one to turn to but the Doctor. They are in absolute despair so plead with him to Save them - knowing he can never resist such a plea, even from them. 9) Before the Doctor can destroy her Oswin ~scans~ him. This is ostensibly to find out there's a ladder under him. But she already knows there's a ladder there because she put it there before she climbed down it. 10) So what did she actually scan? There's really only one thing the Doctor carries she could hack into. Insert herself into. And we already know that it can hold all of a person's memories ...

  • Sept. 7, 2012, 8:50 a.m. CST

    Impressed by the Asylum of the Daleks mini-prequel

    by Nukemarine

    While my first Doctor is Tom Baker (PBS in the second grade), Matt Smith is by far my favorite and that little clip just adds more fuel to that internal fire. I'll be sad to see him go, but intrigued on the type of personality that'll follow up on him.

  • Sept. 7, 2012, 8:55 a.m. CST


    by Merrick

    I love you. I really, really do. Sometimes my brain mushes beneath the strain of so much WHO it's nothing personal...just my own fragmentation and inadequacy!

  • Sept. 7, 2012, 8:59 a.m. CST

    I've been waiting 2000 posts to read that!

    by veteran_of_mu

    It's really too bad you can't give me children. Or maybe you did but I haven't figured it out yet. I wonder if Doctortom has naturally curly hair? Oh dear, I believe I have overstepped the bounds of good taste.

  • OKAY... I don't believe this has been discussed yet, and it may not even be worthy of discssion, but... I'm intrigued by the notion of dreams/illusion being used in the Asylum of the Daleks prequel AND within the episode itself. Possibly a biggger/longer-term game afoot?

  • Sept. 7, 2012, 9:10 a.m. CST

    ...smartly scripted by Chris Chibnall...

    by buggerbugger

    My vision is impaired, I cannot see. My vision is impaired, I cannot see. My vision is impaired, I cannot see...

  • Sept. 7, 2012, 9:19 a.m. CST

    Asylum prequel rocks

    by Tikkanen

    The Asylum of the Daleks prequel is so damn good, I wish they had used that in the episode, instead of the almost unwatchable mess that was the first 15 minutes of the episode.

  • Sept. 7, 2012, 9:20 a.m. CST

    My kids are eagerly anticipating this one

    by Matt Gertz

    First-timer, been lurking for a very long time (I enjoy the column, Merrick!) Merrick, you state that the previews don't convery the total nature of this episode, and that's all very well and good. However, I have to say that when my three kids saw the preview, their eyes nearly bugged right out of their heads. "Dinosaurs? ON A SPACESHIP? I HAVE GOT TO SEE THIS! I can't wait!" is basically the way this went -- and that was even from the least "Whovian" of my kids. Apparently, I now have to make sure that we watch it "live" and not from the DVR, such is the enthusiasm... (I only mention this because I recall earlier feedback from other folks a week or two ago, wondering if such a episode would attract viewers, so here's my version of a "field report" :-))

  • Sept. 7, 2012, 9:20 a.m. CST


    by HornOrSilk

    I still wonder if the Dream Lord might make a comeback somehow... working with the Daleks, even? That would explain why they wanted the Doctor, though the ultimate hope was they would use him to open up the asylum and then kill everyone, Doctor included.

  • Sept. 7, 2012, 9:41 a.m. CST

    Dalek Pathnet reminds me of the (Gallifreyan) Matrix

    by Murphy7

    Been a while since I last saw the Deadly Assassin, but I recall the Matrix there being described as the stored knowledge, experiences, and personalities of the Time Lords. Time Lords also seem to have a certain amount of telepathic ability in use, and the distress cubes from The Doctor's Wife also seem to work along a similar vein. That similarity, and I find it more than plausible that Oswin was transferred into the TARDIS or whatever Matrix-equivalent or conduit the TARDIS may contain.

  • Sept. 7, 2012, 9:44 a.m. CST

    Re: Dreams...Bigger stroyline

    by Sequitur

    I don't think they would hide a bigger storyline in a prequel clip on iTunes. As for the Oswin theories that she will be a relative in the Xmas special, I say look towards Moffat's own quote after the episode where he thanks everyone keeping quiet about them introducing the new companion early. The Oswin we see in Asylum is the new companion. How we get her back remains to be seen....

  • Sept. 7, 2012, 9:52 a.m. CST

    See, I think she was not a Dalek, but maybe inside a Dalek

    by HornOrSilk

    That's where the Doctor didn't expect to find a companion. I don't believe one bit she was a Dalek. But inside one, or what appears to be one, sure.

  • Sept. 7, 2012, 10:03 a.m. CST

    I Know!!!

    by Perigee

    Dinosaurs! On a Spaceship!

  • Sept. 7, 2012, 10:05 a.m. CST

    Surprising thing in "Dinosaurs..."

    by Hellstrom

    I am told there is a "surprise" somewhat similar to Jenna's appearance in DoaS, I wonder what it will be? River? A reference to episode 5? Another nod to Jenna's character?

  • Sept. 7, 2012, 10:33 a.m. CST

    Think Dodo

    by ProfWimsey

    I'm betting that the relationship between Oswin and Clara turns out to be like that between Anne and Dodo Chaplett.

  • ...he has a bit part in a new miniseries that takes place around the 100 Years War called "World Without End" that I just caught the 1st episode of this week. Oh, and I LOVE him as Walder Frey - can't wait to see him in Season 3 of GoT next year!

  • Sept. 7, 2012, 10:34 a.m. CST

    Oswin theory

    by Darth_Nader

    It's been in the tags for the season all along. There is a beginning, middle, and end to every story, just not always in that order. What we just saw was the end of Oswin. The doctor never saw her human form, so when he meets her down the line, he will not recognize her. My theory is she doesn't recognize him because of the 'cleansing' the Dalek's did when they converted her. At some point we are going to see her get on a ship called the Alaska, and that will be it.

  • Sept. 7, 2012, 10:34 a.m. CST

    See "Asylum of the Daleks" absolutely free here...

    by obijuanmartinez

  • Sept. 7, 2012, 10:45 a.m. CST

    Re: Oswin theory

    by ProfWimsey

    I doubt that Oswin and Clara are the same person, even if they have the same surname.

  • Sept. 7, 2012, 11:29 a.m. CST

    My mind is blown. Thank you, caractacuspotts.

    by bubcus

    Rory and Amy found that the doctor had put his bracelet on her leaving the doctor unprotected. I am so curious to see how this all turns out. I don't remember being so excited about the ramifications of a Doctor Who episode as I am now. Mind... blown....

  • Sept. 7, 2012, 11:54 a.m. CST

    Darth Nader

    by Kevin Bolinger

  • Sept. 7, 2012, 11:55 a.m. CST

    Darth Nader

    by Kevin Bolinger

    Whilst I find your theory sound, and smacking of common sense, I fear it is too similar to River Song to actually be used...I mean, they already did that kind of thing, why do it again?

  • Sept. 7, 2012, 12:08 p.m. CST

    Hey guys!

    by The_Mad_Groper

    We're off to a great start in the new season! Loved the first episode! Caractacuspotts and Merrick, great theories on how they will bring Oswin into the fold. My first thoughts were much more simple and therefore much more likely to be completely wrong! lol I was thinking they had used the actress in the first episode and thought she was fantastic lets make her a companion! Kinda the same way they did Martha Jones (remember she was in a Rose episode before she became Martha!). But seeing how they had probably already hired her way before shooting had started, that might not work. Also, Merrick... Great video at the top of the post! Gave me big smiles and made me think of my lil 3 year old!!! That is one smart little 4 year old girl!

  • Sept. 7, 2012, 12:22 p.m. CST


    by ByTor

    Yeah, they already had selected her as the new companion before Asylum was shot, so it's not a Freema Agyeman situation.

  • Sept. 7, 2012, 12:29 p.m. CST

    Dreams as a theme?

    by Dreamfasting

    Wouldn't that be nice :)

  • Sept. 7, 2012, 12:36 p.m. CST

    darthdevious, Darth Nader

    by DoctorTom

    Whilst I find your theory sound, and smacking of common sense, I fear it is too similar to River Song to actually be used...I mean, they already did that kind of thing, why do it again?

  • Sept. 7, 2012, 12:46 p.m. CST

    Oswin return

    by maxwello

    I don't have nearly as cogent a theory as caractacuspotts about how they will bring her back. It's just seemed interesting that one of the taglines from the season trailer has been the doctor loudly proclaiming something about "changing history" to the Ponds. While watching the episode, I assumed the line might have something to do with getting her back. I know crossing one's time stream is supposed to make all sorts of bad things happen, but the Doctor has been playing a little looser with the rules of late, it seems, exploiting his status as a Time Lord (or, rather, THE LAST Time Lord. ) There've been a few times lately when rather then caution, he's exhibited a sort of "who's going to stop me?" attitude. I've imagined him working out a way to save her during conversion and then externally plugging her into the Dalek network, allowing her to remotely participate in the events of the first episode.

  • the last post quoted Darthdevious' question. The answer is that Moffat likes repeating themes. Reinette, Amy Pond - both first meet the Doctor when they are children. The next time they meet the Doctor they are grown up. Then they're older again the third time they meet the Doctor. (Side note: thanks to RTD, but an amusing coincidence, we have similarities between Rory and Captain Jack. Both adventure with the Doctor for a while, get killed, then the Doctor meets them again later after both have been fundamentally changed - either can't die or are plastic, both spend about 2,000 years waiting for the right time in the 21st century to meet the Doctor. Both have a dangling plothook in their past - 1990 hospital ID, 2 years' worth of memory loss while being a Time Agent - that could be exploited to show an involvement with the Doctor in the future having affected their past. This certainly isn't Moff's plan, but it's amusing to note the parallels here.) River Song, Sally Sparrow, Lorna Bucket - the Doctor's first meeting them was not their first involvement with the Doctor. So, why can't Oswin fit in this category?

  • Sept. 7, 2012, 12:48 p.m. CST

    Also, the surname is the same....

    by ProfWimsey

    Karen Gillan also had a role in Doctor Who as the "Oracle" in the Pompei episode. In this case, however, not only was the actress already cast as a future companion, but the "sneak peek" character (Oswin Oswald) has the same surname as the companion (Clara Oswald).

  • Sept. 7, 2012, 12:52 p.m. CST

    Another thing about Skaro

    by DoctorTom

    there had been all the questions last week about why Skaro isn't time locked like Gallifrey, and whether it means some things aren't time locked. In Season 5, River going through her diary with the Doctor (Time of the Angels) mentions a visit to (I think they said) Heaven, which was a planet mentioned during Tennant's time as having been in the Time War. Maybe the cracks had been eating up a few extra events even then, and at least some events of the Time War have been changed.

  • Sept. 7, 2012, 1:15 p.m. CST

    Oswald - what's in a name?

    by Dreamfasting

    Something of interest for plotwise conspiracy theorists: Doctor Who's 50th anniversary coincides with the 50th anniversary of the Kennedy assassination ... by a man named Oswald. Keep an eye out for any more references to this name.

  • Sept. 7, 2012, 1:19 p.m. CST

    But isn't Heaven also...

    by HornOrSilk

    ... where the Doctor met Bernice? And Ace went off in a huff? Just a nod to the NA, imo.

  • In the middle (not beginning, not end) of her time with the Doctor. We have seen everything but an in media res companion.

  • Sept. 7, 2012, 1:24 p.m. CST

    I can't believe nobody's checked this yet

    by George

    but i think this is very telling. This is off the website "think baby names": Oswin \o-swin, os-win\ as a boy's name is of Old English origin, and the meaning of Oswin is "God's friend". Oswin has 4 variant forms: Osvin, Oswinn, Oswyn and Oswynn. For more information, see also the related name Oswald. Oswald \o-swa-ld, os-wald\ as a boy's name is pronounced OZ-wald. It is of Old German origin, and the meaning of Oswald is "God's power". So god's friend god's power....pretty nifty

  • Sept. 7, 2012, 1:26 p.m. CST

    here's the link

    by George


  • Sept. 7, 2012, 1:49 p.m. CST


    by AngelinasOilBoy

    Let's hope the Who episode is better than that "dinosaurs on a submarine" crap they did on Primeval. At least this one seems to get the joke.

  • Sept. 7, 2012, 1:53 p.m. CST

    But you are assuming....

    by ProfWimsey

    .... that Oswin is Clara. I doubt that will be the case.

  • Sept. 7, 2012, 3 p.m. CST

    creepythinman: wtf?

    by ByTor

    You've got a lot of nerve making comments about people riding the short bus when you can't find the correct talkback...

  • Sept. 7, 2012, 3:19 p.m. CST


    by Seph_J

  • Sept. 7, 2012, 3:24 p.m. CST

    Gay Artists in a Huge Bed on a Spaceship! I Know!!!

    by Perigee

    So, Amy is having sex with a rickshaw driver while Rory is in a big bed doing gay porn...? However will The Doctor fix this one?

  • No! You Did! YOU Did!! Bitch!!! I'm gonna get MY tomatoes! THAT's when the factory comes! ...FACT!

  • Sept. 7, 2012, 4:10 p.m. CST

    Thank You Merrick. This Review Has Given Me Hope.


    I was VERY worried about tomorrow's episode due to the writer but your review has raised my expectations slightly. I do hope that I enjoy it as much as you appear to have done.

  • Sept. 7, 2012, 4:26 p.m. CST

    On Oswin's name ...

    by veteran_of_mu

    Oswin Oswald anagrammatically = Windows Also Clearly she's fated to become the doctor's cleaning woman.

  • Sept. 7, 2012, 4:31 p.m. CST

    caractacuspotts re: Oswin's name

    by Merrick

    *** anagrammatically = Windows Also Clearly she's fated to become the doctor's cleaning woman. *** Or, she'll keep freezing up and crashing.

  • Sept. 7, 2012, 4:39 p.m. CST

    I'm sorry, I really am, but someone has to say it....

    by Chuck

    I have had it with these motherfuckin' dinosaurs on this motherfuckin' spaceship! I feel dirty now. But in kind of a good way.

  • Sept. 7, 2012, 4:45 p.m. CST

    Snakes on a plane. Dinosaurs on a Spaceship. Ood on a loo.

    by DoctorTom

    I wonder where Moffat will go next with these - Ninja in a Time Machine? (we've already had Pirates, so we should be getting Ninja soon) Die Hard in a TARDIS? The Walking Dead Time Lords? Strax Unchained? Hansel and Gretel: Dalek Hunters? Genesis of the Daleks II: Electric Boogaloo? Three Time Lords and a TARDIS? Tyler Perry's Madea's Raxacoricofallapatorius Vacation? Neon Genesis Dalek? (the new paradigm explores even bolder color statements while making Dalek mecha) Doctor Who Or How I Learned to Stop Worrying And Love the Time War? The TARDIS: An Unexpected Journey? (followed by the two followup episodes The TARDIS: The Desolation of Skaro and The TARDIS: There and Back Again) Then, we can expect new apps like Angry Daleks. **** I'm glad to hear that Dinosaurs in a Spaceship looks to be better than many were dreading. This post was to just have fun with Moffat's Movie Blockbuster concept, and mixing in some of the popular things.

  • Sept. 7, 2012, 4:46 p.m. CST

    Okay! Enough with the love now!

    by veteran_of_mu

    :-) Actually she was the guy with the bottle who got turned into a half time-lord when hit by young River's regeneration energy. Was Old Winos.

  • I'm hoping there's another somewhere in that second Neil Gaiman DW epi he's supposedly writing. I love the lady. :-)

  • Sept. 7, 2012, 5:21 p.m. CST


    by GeptaOO1

    What do you think of trying to get people together tomorrow to chat about Doctor Who in AICN chat?

  • Sept. 7, 2012, 5:28 p.m. CST

    can anyone please come up with an answer for this re: AotD

    by altoandando

    how is it that she was heard and perceived as the vivacious young woman that she believed herself to be all throughout the ep when she was communicating with folks, but once the reveal was played out, we saw that she could only bark in that scratchy voice? someone please come up with something good for this, otherwise I really can't get down with this twist.

  • Sept. 7, 2012, 5:31 p.m. CST


    by paineywoo

    I think there's something to the downloadable Oswin as mentioned above. The new *spoiler* toy has a *spoiler* not seen since *spoiler*. I'm also very happy to hear there's more to tomorrows episode than the trailer suggests - roll on Saturday night (except for the part where I have to watch the end of Total Wipeout..."shudder").

  • Sept. 7, 2012, 5:42 p.m. CST

    Oswins Voice

    by paineywoo

    This seems to bug a lot of people... I simply took it that she hacked into the communicators scattered around the asylum like she hacked into everything else - using her mind. Her thoughts were then directly projected through the intercom - straight from the source as it were. Once the Doctor entered her cell he was no longer listening through a communication device and was hearing her true Dalek voice through the Dalek voice processor. Simply because now he was in the room with her/it. Doesn't that make sense?

  • Sept. 7, 2012, 5:58 p.m. CST

    Re: Oswin's Voice

    by ProfWimsey

    Paineywoo's explanation is pretty much what I assumed. The Oswin Dalek was broadcasting when we hear Oswin's voice: there is no reason to think that it was shouting at an intercom or something. Hey, does anybody think that there will be some connection between Clara, Oswin and Lee Harvey? The 50th Anniversary of Doctor Who is the 50th Anniversary of the Kennedy assassination, after all.

  • Sept. 7, 2012, 6:19 p.m. CST


    by Matthew

    was watching 80s cartoon theme's on youtube, Alien humanoid Dinosaurs visit earth help kids with an amazing theme song. Hope Matt Smith stays on for a few more years, at least 7 like Tom Baker. I can't take another regeneration just yet. The new companion has great legs, as does Amy,Moffat a leg man? Sorry all the good comments where already taken

  • Sept. 7, 2012, 6:36 p.m. CST

    Another odd, suggestive toy...

    by HornOrSilk

    Not sure if it is just meant to be a toy... or....

  • Sept. 7, 2012, 7:17 p.m. CST

    Is it just me

    by GeptaOO1

    or were the docbacks more active last season?

  • Sept. 7, 2012, 7:19 p.m. CST


    by GeptaOO1

    if you read this, e-mail me back... i was thinking of doing a Doctor Who type fan film..... Would love for you to be involved

  • Sept. 7, 2012, 7:39 p.m. CST

    mavalcar re: Docbacks

    by Merrick

    Last season was highly unpredictable and varied tremendously in terms of eps which caught people's attention, and the posting patterns of Docback participants in general. We often didn't have spikes in participation until after an episode actually transmitted. Last week's Asylum Docback, for example, had a very large number of posts over the weekend (close to, or over, 700!). We'll have a better sense of how our Dinos Docback will shake out by Monday, but at this time matters feel more or less par for the course. If not 'par for the course' - not necessarily off-course. For the moment, at least.

  • Sept. 7, 2012, 8:25 p.m. CST

    Merrick, before I retire for the night...

    by Mister Vertue

    Now that I know you're receiving the screeners from BBCA, and have actually seen the episode, would you say that we can expect another surprise in this episode? Or do you think in doing so it would spoil the surprise? Just curious!

  • Sept. 7, 2012, 8:31 p.m. CST

    And did you spot anything...

    by Mister Vertue

    From the old tv series in there? Maybe something that the fans would appreciate? Again, just curious! My bed is calling and I can't resist. Night all!

  • Sept. 7, 2012, 8:35 p.m. CST

    MOV re: surprise

    by Merrick

    *** would you say that we can expect another surprise in this episode? Or do you think in doing so it would spoil the surprise? *** I think that doing so would spoil any surprises which might or might not exist. I had this discussion with myself last week when I wanted to hint at a 'whopping surprise' in Asylum. Ended up feeling that even hinting at the presence of a surprise may well have been too distracting in terms of anticipation, so I opted to let it play completely on its own merits with no teasing at all (spoiler-free or otherwise). I really, really do like Dinosaurs, though, and hope the masses agree. It's very cool - one of my faves in a while.

  • Sept. 7, 2012, 8:40 p.m. CST

    MOV re: old TV series

    by Merrick

    *** And did you spot anything...Maybe something that the fans would appreciate? *** Well, hell. I may've missed it? The perils of watching these on a small computer playback - occasionally details don't shine through (all hail rewatches via iTunes HD!!!) are you referring to? (send via e-mail if you can't dance around it here?)

  • Sept. 7, 2012, 8:55 p.m. CST


    by Kevin Kittridge

    If you're in Los Angeles - I want in!

  • Sept. 7, 2012, 10:01 p.m. CST

    @ralph hinkley

    by GeptaOO1

    Northern California.... Nearish Sacramento...

  • Sept. 7, 2012, 10:36 p.m. CST

    Boing :)

    by shibleybc

    Night all, not long now! Ps, carnival of monsters could have been titled dinosaurs on a spaceship! :p

  • Sept. 7, 2012, 10:46 p.m. CST

    Still hoping Amy stays

    by FeralAngel

    Silly of me, I know she's officially leaving, but I still think she's brilliant and sexy and has great chemistry with the Doc. She's the second reason (behind Matt Smith, who's first) I've enjoyed the Whoniverse so far (and mind you, my first viewing of Who was the Christmas Carol episode, which I loved. But even better was The Doctor, The Widow, and the Wardrobe. God, that was soooooooooo good!). When Amy leaves I don't know if I'll be inclined to follow the Doctor's adventures in the future. Didn't like the Oswin chick AT ALL. So anyway. Peace out.

  • Sept. 7, 2012, 10:49 p.m. CST

    agreed hinting at surprise same as spoiling

    by Matthew

    we can figure it out one or another even if it is just a hint or whatnot.In Avengers I knew the fate of Coulson by a review that said someone dies and that is it. I am no Sherlock but we fans have powers of deduction.

  • Sept. 7, 2012, 10:53 p.m. CST

    I just spoiled Avengers in the above comment

    by Matthew

    I assume everyone saw it by now but still feel stupid doing it. Just wanted to make the point that you can spoil something by hinting just a little. How many new episodes have you seen already or do you just get one a few days ahead?

  • I was at SDCC this year and my mission was to meet Matt Smith. I got so fucking lucky. My friends and I snuck into a party and he was there with Karen G. and Arthur. I got pictures with all three. Also, Robb Stark was there, he was so drunk and we toasted to the RED WEDDING. Good fucking times.

  • Sept. 8, 2012, 1 a.m. CST

    Peanuts spoiled Citizen Kane for me

    by veteran_of_mu

    There's a strip Schultz wrote in the 50s I read in the 70s where Lucy walks up to Charlie Brown who's about to see CK and says Rosebud was his [Spoiler]. Moral is spoilers stay spoilers forever. Ob. DW: If the Daleks no longer remember the Doctor then what do they remember about Davros? Or the Time War? Or the Time Lords? I mean those memories are all intimately connected to our hero ...

  • Sept. 8, 2012, 3:40 a.m. CST

    feralangel & Amy

    by paineywoo

    You'll keep on watching ;) I sat through all the RTD and Rose episodes - there's always things you may not like, but Who constantly changes and if one decision is met with 'meh' the next will ultimately make you excited again. My Dad always said life is like a Mike Oldfield have listen to the bad bits to appreciate the great bits :) By the way I finally got my 11th Doctor Big Chief Signed Edition today - Number 9! (wished it had been 11, but...) It's unashamedly geektastic!

  • Sept. 8, 2012, 3:54 a.m. CST

    Today.... chat about Doctor Who in AICN CHAT

    by GeptaOO1

    Do it! When does Issue 5 of Doctor Who/Star Trek: Assimilation come out?

  • Sept. 8, 2012, 7:12 a.m. CST


    by maelstrom_ZERO

    I'm actually surprised by how much dissatisfaction there is with Karen Gillan sometimes. I find her to be a huge improvement over Rose (who was really just a pretty face and supposed to be a viewer surrogate for female viewers who wanted romance), and she was much better than Martha, who was essentially the same thing as Rose. And while Donna was interesting and offered a new dynamic, Amy is certainly a lot more pleasing to the eye, and certainly is a more affable character in general. Donna was a bit of a shrew/harpy, and while that was deliberate and got a lot of laughs, it could get a bit grating from time to time. I just find Amy to be much more interesting. She's smart, has a touching and almost tragic backstory with the Doctor, and does a lot more to support the Doctor than other New Who companions we've seen. Plus, she's hawt. What is it that people don't like about her?

  • Sept. 8, 2012, 7:19 a.m. CST

    SIX HOURS exactly!!!!

    by Seph_J

  • Sept. 8, 2012, 8:21 a.m. CST

    malvalcar, #4 came out last week

    by Greg

    Seems like the series has been running a little late, so not sure if number 5 will be out this Month. Agree with Doctortom (I think it was) who last said something about how slow the story is moving. Other than the first issue and the Flashback with the Fourth Doctor meeting up with Kirk, Spock and McCoy, hasn't felt like a whole lot has happened...and the series is already half way done.

  • Sept. 8, 2012, 8:59 a.m. CST

    Calling doctortom...and others!

    by Seph_J

    Over in the Star Trek talkback, I'm having to defend the fact that Doctor Who is sci-fi! Anyone want to join in and help me out?!?

  • Sept. 8, 2012, 9:03 a.m. CST

    Merrick, I have a theory I don't think anyone has posted...

    by EricBuckeye79

    What if The Doctor intentionally seeks out Oswin at an earlier part of her life to ask her to join him? It could be that he is so heartbroken by her final fate that he wants to show her the time of her life before she meets her inevitable fate. This is almost reminiscent of River Song, as the first time the doctor encounters her he sees how she dies, and then later in the series he re-encounters her earlier in her lifetime. This could be the cause of great internal strife for The Doctor as he must act as if he doesn't know what happens to Oswin, while he is travelling with her because it would cause a paradox. Maybe he is the reason that Oswin became so passionate for space travel thereby making him the reason that she joined the crew of the Alaska... Jusgt a thought

  • Sept. 8, 2012, 9:05 a.m. CST


    by EricBuckeye79

    Long time Docback reader, first time commenter!!!

  • Sept. 8, 2012, 9:17 a.m. CST

    Re: a theory I don't think anyone has posted...

    by ProfWimsey

    That's all well and good, but we know that the new companion is called Clara. Where does seh fit into this idea?

  • Sept. 8, 2012, 9:36 a.m. CST

    re: elwagnero

    by EricBuckeye79

    It has been revealed that the new companions full name is Clara Oswin, so there is still a chance!

  • Sept. 8, 2012, 9:47 a.m. CST

    Looking forward to tonights Episode

    by cosmic_dolphin

    Even my 3 yr old keeps coming up & it time for the Dinosaurs On a Spaceship yet ?

  • At some point, I guess, I'll have to face the fact that after tonight we'll be 40% through our allocated Who for the year (Booooooo), and 98% through our Ponds forever. But tonight is all about riding triceratopses. Well, one triceratops, but I've always wanted to use an incorrect plural form of an extinct critter's name. It may be a little early in the season to pucker up, but once again I'll plant a kiss on The Moff's fanny. He hasn't flubbed a season opener yet, and the whole "How the hell will Oswyn..?" seed will ride us like a monkey on our backs for months to come. Thankee, fanboy. As to tonight's episode - it's Dinosaurs on a Spaceship. It's Nefertiti and a Big Game Hunter. It practically screams, Don't Judge - Have Fun! And I am fully prepared to do so... at the expense of my Girlfriend, who has been sternly warned this season that 9:00PM on Saturdays is sacrosanct. It's a good thing we're old, or that wouldn't have flown well at all.

  • Sept. 8, 2012, 10:30 a.m. CST

    Os*wald*, not Os*win*

    by ProfWimsey

    The new companion is named Clara Oswald from everything I read. We just saw Oswin Oswald. We will see Clara Oswald. (They did this 45 years ago with Anne and Dodo Chaplet.) My suspicion is that the Doctor is going to run into multiple members of the Oswald family: and I'm wondering if that will be the arc this year.

  • Sept. 8, 2012, 10:33 a.m. CST

    Riding on ceratopsians....

    by ProfWimsey

    ... that way, you are covered if it's a relative of Triceratops instead of a member of that genus. Hey, it looks like there actually are feathers on the theropods! It *really* irked me when they had cold-blooded Silurians two years ago. OK, in 1970, people still thought that: but we've known for a while that dinosaurs were high-metabolism animals. (You certainly cannot put feathers on cold-blooded ones!)

  • Sept. 8, 2012, 11:15 a.m. CST


    by meldy

    You do realise the Moff is Scottish and therefore his "fanny" is unlikely to exist? Although he's clearly managed to get thousands of people to keep quiet about big surprises in the last few weeks...

  • Sept. 8, 2012, 11:34 a.m. CST

    River song (Possible spoiler)

    by peterclay65

    I don't know if this has been advertised but I read on the epg info for tonights episode that a member of the pond family will be found on the spaceship which leads me to believe that river will be there

  • Sept. 8, 2012, 11:49 a.m. CST

    Re: River Song

    by ProfWimsey

    No, that's not the member. Mark Williams (aka Mr. Weasley) plays the new member: and for once, he actually looks a bit like his son! River will be back for the Pond Finale.

  • Sept. 8, 2012, 11:50 a.m. CST

    It's not River

    by meldy

    It's well known that the Pond member is Rory's dad - yes, he's even less of a Pond than Rory - but you just know the Doctor won't see it that way!

  • Sept. 8, 2012, 12:13 p.m. CST

    Re: Riding on ceratopsians....

    by Kathryn Gail

    Well if Silurians were really around in the Silurian period, that would be well before dinosaurs and pretty much all life forms were cold-blooded (or no-blooded)! But I suspect if I got out all the old Silurians episodes. . . right, of course, I'm pretty sure they make speeches about being from the age of dinosaurs. I am AT LEAST as excited as that 4-year-old in the vid about dinosaurs on a spaceship!

  • Sept. 8, 2012, 1 p.m. CST


    by Seph_J

  • Sept. 8, 2012, 1:19 p.m. CST

    Re: Riding on ceratopsians....

    by ProfWimsey

    Animals had not yet evolved terrestrial species by the Silurian! Dinosaurs did not appear until the late Triassic, which was about 200 million years after the Silurian, and the Silurians are supposed to be intelligent dinosaurs. And, yes, we knew all of this in the 1970's. The Silurians were supposed to be from the end-Cretaceous because they went into hiding after anticipating the astronomical event that caused the end-Cretaceous extinction. (Sadly, the story used the Moon entering Earth's orbit rather than a comet: but this was 10 years before Alvarez et al.'s paper.) The story is that they initially had an appropriate name for them. However, somebody got confused because they learned that the rocks in the region of the UK where the story was set were Silurian aged. He reasoned that this should mean that they actually were Silurian. Of course, if you built into rocks in the Cretaceous, well, 360+ million year old Silurian rock would work just fine. To compound it, the next Silurian story has Pertwee try to correct it: but he then says that they should have been called the Eoceans! Of course, birds were the only dinosaurs left by the Eocene.

  • Sept. 8, 2012, 1:29 p.m. CST

    5 minutes!!!!!!

    by Seph_J

  • Sept. 8, 2012, 1:45 p.m. CST

    its not every day

    by jon pertwee

    the doctor gets called arthur c clarke by arthur weasley

  • Sept. 8, 2012, 2:05 p.m. CST

    Mitchell & Webb!

    by Octavian

  • Sept. 8, 2012, 2:10 p.m. CST

    Wait... is that... Davros?

    by HornOrSilk


  • Sept. 8, 2012, 2:21 p.m. CST

    Great episode! *spoilers*

    by chronicallydepressedlemming

    I loved the Silurian tie-in. I hope we see a continuation of that plot where the Silurians that were left on Earth get to the new home planet. Was that David Walliams as one of the robots I heard, as well?

  • Sept. 8, 2012, 2:21 p.m. CST

    That was fun...

    by dj_bollocks

    Enjoyed that. Particularly the foreboding !

  • Sept. 8, 2012, 2:22 p.m. CST

    Night at the Space Museum

    by buggerbugger

    I guess Chibnall was stuck for ideas until he remembered watching that Stiller movie. Egyptians! Dinosaurs! Explorers! Modern people! Surprised there weren't any cowboys. Oh, wait, that's next episode, isn't it? Overall: 45 minutes of chibness as usual. It's as if the bloke's an imagination-free zone or something. He's the Christopher Bulis's prose of DW scriptwriting. He's as bad as the writing he criticized back in the '80s. Doctor Who should be much, much better than this. It's such a bloody let-down. Still, at least it had a couple of comedy robots. That's always a plus. Interesting fact: Every page of every new DW script includes the following instruction: PLAY THAT THEME - WE'LL CALL IT 'THE DOCTOR'S THEME' - THAT TELLS THE AUDIENCE THE DOCTOR IS ABOUT TO DO SOMETHING REALLY, REALLY COOL AND CLEVER BECAUSE THAT'S WHAT HE DOES EVERY FEW MINUTES. Look, it's a nice theme. A really nice theme. But every five minutes, man? Really?

  • Sept. 8, 2012, 2:23 p.m. CST

    Daisy, Daisy...

    by Captain Howdy

  • Sept. 8, 2012, 2:24 p.m. CST

    re: "Was that David Walliams as one of the robots I heard, as well?"

    by buggerbugger

    No, it was comedy duo Mitchell and Webb.

  • Spelling it out is hereditary

  • Sept. 8, 2012, 2:27 p.m. CST

    David Mitchell (and spoilers!)

    by meldy

    I thought Mitchell thought Doctor Who was "kids stuff"... He's still one of my heroes though. Overall - great episode. Just plain fun. Tight script, made sense. Can't believe they got away with the golf balls joke. Loved Brian and so good to see that dark side to the Doctor again with his choice at the end there.

  • Sept. 8, 2012, 2:28 p.m. CST

    I didn't really enjoy that one.


    It certainly looked fantastic and the special effects were top notch but, well, the script didn't meet those same standards in my opinion.

  • Sept. 8, 2012, 2:28 p.m. CST

    ah Mitchell and Webb!

    by chronicallydepressedlemming

    I was nearly there!

  • Sept. 8, 2012, 2:28 p.m. CST

    ***mild spoiler***

    by jon pertwee

    seems the doctor's always wanted a gang. we get silurians hack and slash from reboot argus filch, filching dinosaurs we get to see the doctor dispense some justice. and something very telling near the end that would be a potential big spoiler. nuff said excellent episode and where's the harru harrison obit? he's been dead a month and not a mention of him anywhere on this site. a b-list actor gets a tribute while he's still warm. where''s the justice in that?

  • Sept. 8, 2012, 2:36 p.m. CST

    The spaceship

    by meldy

    Just an additional aside - I thought the spaceship was awesome. I'm sure someone on here might point out another science fiction ship that powers itself in such a unique way - but it's look and design - bravo!

  • Sept. 8, 2012, 2:39 p.m. CST

    Pretty good

    by photoboy

    That was pretty good, although like last week I still think they're trying to fit too much into one episode. The hunter guy and Nefertiti didn't really add anything to the story and just seemed to be random additions. I suspect they might be back later in the season if the past two Moffat seasons are anything to judge by. Mitchell and Webb were excellent as the robots, they were probably one of the strongest elements of the episode. I do think it suffered a bit from obvious plot holes and overly convenient contrivances- half the time they could have solved their problems using the teleporter and it was a bit naff that Rory's dad was conveniently able to help fly the ship. And it would be nice if every once in a while someone from history hadn't achieved what they did thanks to the Doctor (both Schubert and Nefertiti got the treatment this week). There weren't many dinosaurs either, although the stuff with the Tricerotops was great.

  • Sept. 8, 2012, 2:41 p.m. CST

    Okay, the Doctor...

    by DrLektor

    I totally expected him to go back and save Solomon at the last minute with the TARDIS. He left the poor bastard to die. Never should have killed that Triceratops, man.

  • Sept. 8, 2012, 2:44 p.m. CST

    The conveinence of Rory's Dad

    by meldy

    What's the betting that was the TARDIS helping out again. She always thought Rory was the "pretty one" - couldn't resist the chance to meet another!

  • Sept. 8, 2012, 2:44 p.m. CST

    oh and the CGI..

    by chronicallydepressedlemming

    whoever you've got doing it Moffat, keep letting them do it. It was very good for a TV show.

  • Sept. 8, 2012, 2:50 p.m. CST

    Really great but...

    by paineywoo

    Loved it! Agree about the sense of foreboding regarding the Ponds... Do you think the Doctor knows what will happen to them - has always known? One gripe - they used the 9th & 10th Doctors Tardis on the postcard. Don't people check these things?

  • Sept. 8, 2012, 2:51 p.m. CST

    The Silurians aren't very good at planning, are they?

    by buggerbugger

    SILURIAN SCIENTIST 1: Hmm, looks like our planet is about to undergo some huge catastrophe due to this approaching rogue planet. So what we'll do, see, is we'll make a huge futuristic space ark. SILURIAN SCIENTIST 2: Oh, so we can all head into space and be safe from the disaster? SILURIAN SCIENTIST 1: What? No, of course not. How absurd. No, we'll be busy carving out huge underground shelters for ourselves. The space ark is for the dinosaurs. SILURIAN SCIENTIST 2: Uh... WTF, man? Seriously? Man? Come on... I now want to see a remake of 'Deep Impact' where humanity builds space arks for the world's cats and dogs before heading for the nearest mountain top to survive the oncoming flood.

  • Sept. 8, 2012, 3:07 p.m. CST

    Unexpected New Companion *SPOILERS*

    by cuntface

    Moffat saying we'll the new companion will be 'discovered is an unexpected place' is a gag riffing on the Dickens' 'Great Expectations'. We've seen pics of the new companion running in a Dickensian street scene. Expectations/Unexpectations. That's my take on it.

  • Sept. 8, 2012, 3:14 p.m. CST

    Moffat's Star Trek Homage?

    by Jerry Cornelius

    Did anybody else see a tip of the hat to the Star Trek pilot "The Cage" in "Asylum of the Daleks?" It seemed to me that there were some interesting similarities in the situations that the Doctor and Capt. Pike found themselves in, and the way that Pike discovered who Vina was had something in common with the Doctor's discovery about Oswin. It's certainly not a note for note thing, but I thought that Moffat might be giving Trek a nod.

  • Sept. 8, 2012, 3:23 p.m. CST

    there is something about david Mitchell...

    by emeraldboy

    i know he is a very smart man and very funny. but in interviews he can come across that there are certain things that are intellectually beneath him. he comes off as being smug. or something.

  • Sept. 8, 2012, 3:24 p.m. CST

    Episode really didn't work for me

    by offscauta

    Some nice fx, but it was all a bit of a mess. The jokes were painful, the tone was all over the placeand the soundtrack is quickly becoming a parody of itself. I also thought that the execution of the Triceratops was gratuitous and needlessly unpleasant.

  • Sept. 8, 2012, 3:25 p.m. CST

    david bradley as

    by emeraldboy

    davros.... wow.

  • Sept. 8, 2012, 3:38 p.m. CST

    Best episode 2 for a while

    by James Grinnell

    I enjoyed that. Got the element of fun I was expecting but with a nice bit of dark thrown in. Agreed that there were probably a couple of characters too heavy but liked Rory's Dad. Think it's probably the strongest episode 2 of the Matt Smith years, certainly a massive improvement on the pirates (although, yes, Inknow that was technically an episode three, but I'm classing two patters as one story).

  • Sept. 8, 2012, 3:45 p.m. CST

    Why is everyone talking about Davros?

    by Seph_J

    Did I miss something?

  • Sept. 8, 2012, 3:47 p.m. CST

    seph_j you might have missed

    by HornOrSilk

    What I wrote in my comment!

  • Sept. 8, 2012, 3:56 p.m. CST


    by Seph_J

    I'm completely lost. Can't see anything except "wait... is that... Davros?" ! Why all the Davros talk?!

  • Sept. 8, 2012, 3:58 p.m. CST

    Seph that is weird -- I did put a comment in it

    by HornOrSilk

    I said -- joke! So the joke got lost. Sorry.

  • Sept. 8, 2012, 4 p.m. CST

    LOL hornorsilk

    by Seph_J

    Brilliant. That's actually quite funny!

  • Sept. 8, 2012, 4:03 p.m. CST

    It was nice....

    by James farler

    To see them throwing a bit of money at it. The effects were pretty good for a tv show, and the dinosaurs were nicely animated. It was a good, fun episode. No more, no less. It doesn't really add anything apart from some much missed badassery from the Doctor, and it doesn't take anything away either. I'm looking forward to watching it again tomorrow with my four year old daughter (god bless PVRs). Next weeks episode looks pretty good too.

  • Sept. 8, 2012, 4:31 p.m. CST

    Question: Amazon and VUDU viewing

    by Barrymore

    When are DW eps available on services like Amazon and VUDU? I don't have BBCAmerica and live in the US (obviously) and realized I cpould watch through streaming on Amazon or VUDU for $2-3 an episode but do the eps show up the same day they are broadcast (hopefully) or is there a few days wait before they are available for streaming?

  • Sept. 8, 2012, 4:33 p.m. CST

    still pretending

    by catlettuce4

    you know who I mean

  • Sept. 8, 2012, 4:35 p.m. CST

    barrymore re: amazon viewing

    by Merrick

    Can't speak to Vudu, but the eps hit Amazon overnight Sat/Sun & are available by the Sunday morn after broadcast. Zune (XBOX Live) and iTunes appear to follow a more or less similar pattern.

  • Sept. 8, 2012, 4:43 p.m. CST

    It was a whole heap of nothing

    by tomdolan04

    very pretty though. Doc and Rory were great, Gillans delivery in places seemed odd.

  • Sept. 8, 2012, 5 p.m. CST

    Best Episode 2 in a year and a half (spoiler free)

    by DoctorTom

    Now, if you want to say second story of the season, then you go back further, since this was miles better than Curse of the Black Spot! Still not as good as Day of the Moon, but that was a continuation. I enjoyed the story, it seems Chibnall's getting into the swing of Doctor Who more. I also really like Rupert Graves in this, obviously enjoying it as much as his character was enjoying the situation. It'd be fun to pop in on him again in the future. We'll see how the Chibster's next story goes, to see if he does a well with that one. There hasn't been much talk about it so far, but I suspect it won't be as fun a romp as this one since it's right before the departure of the Ponds. Black boxes descend on Earth - are they Zombie Time Lord message cubes, mailed from beyond the grave (or from in the Time War?) Naah, probably not. One can hope we get zombie Time Lords at some point, though.

  • Sept. 8, 2012, 5:01 p.m. CST

    Dragon Con Doctor Who Puppet Show

    by DoctorTom

    based on a filk song Peter David wrote - now performed by puppets.

  • Sept. 8, 2012, 5:14 p.m. CST

    Can't get myself to watch this season

    by FrodoFraggins

    I'll probably watch a bunch of them in a row at some point. But Dr. Who really needs a new Doctor and vibe.

  • To what level is this sacrilege around here? I'm sorry, I've just never really found them terribly compelling. How interesting they are/can be I've found has depended largely on the particular episode in which they're featured.<br> <br> Now, the Weeping Angels on the other hand... without question my favorite Who villain. Every single episode they've been in has been a winner (I realize of course it's a much smaller sample size, in the grand scheme).

  • Sept. 8, 2012, 6:16 p.m. CST


    by HornOrSilk

    I don't think New Who has done the Daleks justice in most of their stories. A few, they have been good, but not their best. To me, the best is Power of the Daleks. Alas. But Genesis of the Daleks is quite good

  • Sept. 8, 2012, 6:16 p.m. CST


    by James farler

    I hated Matt Smith in his first season. I thought he was ok in his second and this one he seems to have nailed it. So far anyway

  • I think that makes a good at least 5-6 actors who have been in both the Potter franchise AND in NuWho.

  • Sept. 8, 2012, 6:18 p.m. CST

    The Daleks lost their way...

    by dj_bollocks

    In Season 3 with the whole human / Manhattan story which was just a mess... RTD managed to recover a little when he reintroduced Davros but even then managed to spoil the moment by having everyone hold hands in the Tardis... Victory of the Daleks - not really a strong episode and of course introduced the iDaleks, where the jury is still out... The problem is that we haven't seen the Daleks as a threat for a long time as opposed to a foil... Same with the Cybermen... they've really had it bad...

  • Sept. 8, 2012, 6:26 p.m. CST

    I just dont get the hype surrounding the angels.

    by emeraldboy

    nor do i get the hype surrounding Blink...

  • Sept. 8, 2012, 6:26 p.m. CST


    by James farler

    You're right. I'm struggling to think of a good Dalek story in "NuWho." Apart from Dalek in Christopher Ecclestone's season. I thought ASOtD was great but it could've done with more malfunctioning Daleks from earlier seasons.

  • Sept. 8, 2012, 6:26 p.m. CST

    Daleks everywhere

    by Bryan c

    Seeker, Genesis of the Daleks is probably the only entry point. Baker was my Doctor, but I think Matt is a combination of Baker and Trouton. I think all the threatening Dalek storylines are in the Baker era and I would defo check them all out as soon as you can. Also the writing during that period was on a par if not better than THE MOFF.

  • Sept. 8, 2012, 6:30 p.m. CST


    by HornOrSilk

    Right, I think Dalek is the best New Who Dalek story (as a story showing off the Daleks). Outside of that, I think Journey's End was second best (despite its faults). I keep saying -- they should use BF's Dalek Empire as a device and have a story happen within it. Where the Daleks are in control and the Doctor can stop them on a mini-level, but not overcome them entirely

  • Sept. 8, 2012, 6:35 p.m. CST

    the problem with the daleks is CGI

    by emeraldboy

    they can now Levi i tate. kevin the dalek no longer uses his plunger. eddie izzard joke that!

  • Sept. 8, 2012, 6:37 p.m. CST

    Lots of fun, *spoilers*

    by notspock2

    Really felt like they were channeling Douglas Adams here. A nice comedy romp, with some great human touches, - I LOVED Brian, looking at the earth from space, just dangling his legs over the edge of the tardis, Also liked:- Amy getting 2 companions, Slightly Sarcastic robots going the way of HAL9000 and Rory using his nursing powers, quite a light fluffy episode yet a well done one, with one of the darkest endings i feel we've seen the Doctor deliver. Yeah, I'll be back next week..

  • Man, talk about "does not compute". I've said this in many conversations now, with people both who watch DW and ones who don't: it is almost impossible to tell a story that significantly uses time travel that does not have some serious plot holes. But in film and TV. You can get away with it depending on the rest of the overall material (obviously BTTF a huge example). I'm not saying there's zero plot holes in Blink, but it's extremely clean and tight, Moffat somehow pulled it off. In fact I've said that Blink is probably the single best example of sci-fi storytelling using time travel in the one hour format.<br> <br> And of course the huge irony in all this as part of the DW universe, it has one of the most scant usages of the Doctor himself in all of NuWho.

  • Sept. 8, 2012, 6:48 p.m. CST

    For the 5-year-olds. Maybe.

    by veteran_of_mu

    Really that was very poor. A bunch of pop actors chewing scenery, sloppy-seconds Jurassic Park CGI, and nothing for anyone to do but run and push buttons. Even worse than the black spot. The only tiny spot of interest is ... whose hat was that on Brian's control seat?

  • Sept. 8, 2012, 6:54 p.m. CST

    Wow, it seems the reaction to this one is mixed...(spoilers)

    by Kevin Bolinger

    I however thoroughly enjoyed every moment of it! It was lighthearted, yet fun, and after all the darkness of last season, we need a little fun now and then... I thought it was a bit sad that the triceratops had to die. Rory and his dad were perfect together (Been a fan of Mark Williams going back to Red Dwarf series 1) Matt Smith, as always was brilliant! There is one thing though...and it really took me a bit by surprise... THE DOCTOR KILLED SOMEONE! Seriously...I know in the past he has made it so a villain would kill themselves, but this time, he right out locked Solomon in his spaceship and made it so the missiles would destroy it, he might as well have put a gun to the mans head! LOL I know Solomon deserved it, I mean he wiped out all the Silurians on board, and who knows how many others in his lifetime, but still, never thought the Doctor would straight up execute the man! Anyway, a very good episode, IMO, and one that was a joy to watch from beginning to end.

  • Sept. 8, 2012, 6:55 p.m. CST

    caractacuspotts RE the Hat on the chair

    by Kevin Bolinger

    Easy, it was the hunters hat...just before he went to fight the raptors, he took off his hat and vest and hung them on the chair...did you not see that?

  • Sept. 8, 2012, 7:07 p.m. CST

    Loved the development of both Amy and Rory in this episode

    by Dalius

    DrWho has often mentioned companions changing as a result of spending time with the Doctor, but never before, to my knowledge, have they mentioned them learning from alien cultures, or learning about alien technology (other than the Tardis), or picking up things on their travels that might be helpful. Just brilliant.

  • Sept. 8, 2012, 7:21 p.m. CST


    by cosmic_dolphin

    I suppose it did exactly what it said on the tin but compared to the series opener it was a bit of a let down. I know moffat is trying to 'cut out all the boring bits ' in his blockbuster every week but that just felt rushed at the start , I would rather have spent more time with rory's dad than collecting 2 more characters who didn't seem to have a purpose. the plot seemed very predictable, I'd even thought of silurians being involved beforehand. the only bit that surprised me was the doctor following through with his threat about the missiles

  • Sept. 8, 2012, 7:34 p.m. CST

    The Daleks need to win one.

    by vadakinX

    The Daleks have been used so many times post-2005 and been foiled so many times that they simply aren't a threat anymore. They still kill the odd person and have grand plans to rule the universe but the Doctor has no reason to fear them. The best use of the Daleks post-2005 as a threat was the last Eccleston episode because they were presented as such and The Doctor had no chance of winning...and then they were defeated by God-Rose....and they went back to being a joke. Jump forward to Stolen Earth which had the best reaction to the Daleks, which was the late Elisabeth Sladen's Sarah Jane Smith's reaction when she heard "Exterminate." Of course in the very next episode you're back to malfunctioning Daleks spinning out of control thanks to the God-Donna...sorry...the Doctor-Donna. The truth is, we've probably had too many Dalek stories over the past seven years and they're simply not a credible threat. Even with giving them levitation and having ways to prevent them from being blinded by covered eye stalks, they are still a bit of a joke. They aren't scary, they aren't threatening, they're comparable to Dr. Claw in Inspector Gadget at the end of every episode. *We. Will. Exterminate. You. Next. Time. Doctor.* The one thing that could have made them credible is the one thing we will likely never see - the Time War. Don't get me wrong, I find the Dalek episodes to be a lot of fun but they're no longer the scary monstrosities rising out of the Thames. So what's the answer? As the subject heading says, the Daleks have to win one. A big one. If I was at a Doctor Who pitch meeting, and god knows I'd love to be, I'd be suggesting having the Daleks win at the beginning of next season. Very first episode. And not just win but win big. Millions...billions...trillions dead. The universe plunged into darkness as the Daleks roam unopposed, exterminating imperfection. And the whole season needs to be like that. The Doctor needs to be on the run. Not joyriding around space and time, but just trying to stay alive and find a way to defeat the seemingly invincible Daleks. We need to see what the Daleks are capable of. Reality Bombs and such are great plot devices but because you never actually see the end of reality or the fruition of any of their schemes, they come off as incompetent....just like pretty much every other villain in Who, be it Nu Who or Classic Who. Now you may say that this is a bit dark for Doctor Who and you'd be right. But I think that's what the show might need. Remember when Who used to be scary? Remember when the Daleks used to be scary? We need to see that. Show what they're capable of when the Doctor isn't there to stand in their way. And sure, in the final episode of the season you'll have a Doctor Ex Machina to make everything right but the Daleks will have been shown as the genocidal monsters they are and their credibility as a threat will be cemented.

  • Sept. 8, 2012, 7:37 p.m. CST

    I enjoyed it as pure fun. Nefertiti's outfit helped a lot too.

    by supertoyslast

  • Sept. 8, 2012, 8:33 p.m. CST

    Hello! I'm new. And I have an idea

    by Fitz

    The Doctor wasn't in Solomon's database. This gives me an idea... Maybe Oswin influenced a bit more than the Dalek's memory, wiping knowledge of him across time and space. Nobody knows who he is, so now he can't rely on his usual "You know who I am: run.". Now recall, The Silence isn't a species, it's a religious order. What if Oswin is a member of the order, out to destroy the Doctor? How better than from the inside? They were created because of his infuence across time and space, and Oswin's already managed to undo a lot of that by making the Daleks forget him. And now seeing him get scanned and not recognised...I wonder if her influence went a little wider, and how wide will it be? Kinda leads neatly into the whole "Doctor Who" thing, doesn't it? If everyone forgets him, with Oswin inside the TARDIS as a double agent...leading up to a big face-off for the 50th anniversary, including having him revisiting or seeking out some of his former selves for some reason or other to do with his identity...?

  • Sept. 8, 2012, 8:39 p.m. CST

    no one saw the reboot tribute?

    by jon pertwee

    the two robots reminded me of hack and slash from the canadian kids series reboot.

  • Sept. 8, 2012, 8:44 p.m. CST

    fitznicely: I think you're definitely onto something...

    by Perigee

    There's been A LOT of memory stuff going on in the last couple of episodes...

  • Sept. 8, 2012, 8:47 p.m. CST

    btw, on reusing locations...

    by TheSeeker7

    When they get transported to the beach, why re-use the VERY distinct looking cliff faces from the Crash Of The Byzantium s5 episodes? I honestly initially wondered if that old plot line was going to tie in somehow.

  • Sept. 8, 2012, 9:06 p.m. CST

    Not particularly feeling this season...

    by Celicynd

    Honestly, I've been underwhelmed with both episodes this season. I think the stand-alone, mini-movie nature that Moffat said he was going for isn't working for me. It's not feeling very Doctor Whoish to me for some reason. I can't even point out exactly what's bothering me tonally, it just isn't working for me.

  • I wasn't expecting anything deep and dramatic, and I really didn't get it. So, that's fine by me. 1) What is it with the English and The Taybor? He's lost a lot of wait since the Seventies, but he's still a horny old pup... 2) I really could have done without the dinosaur ride; that was just a little past the envelope. 3) I obviously missed something weighty between Pond and The Doctor while they were looming over that access panel. I'll catch up on second viewing in an hour.

  • Just my opinion.

  • IMHO

  • Sept. 8, 2012, 9:26 p.m. CST

    McCoy destroyed Skaro

    by Helen

    I know time isn't linear in Who but didn't McCoy trick Davros into blowing up Skaro with The Hand Of Omega in "Remembrance"? And has everyone forgotten the "Silence will fall" voice and the destruction of the Tardis? Question remain unanswered. Plotlines are dangling.

  • Sept. 8, 2012, 9:31 p.m. CST


    by Fitz

    Except Karen Gillan wasn't cast as Amy at the point of filming Fires of Pompeii, in the same way that Colin Baker hadn't been cast as the Doctor when they filmed Arc of Infinity. Jenna-Louise Coleman had been cast as...Oswin/Clara, whoever at the point of filming Asylum of the Daleks. I find it hard to understand how so many people are convinced Oswin isn't the new companion. Is it because she blew up? Hint: Time machine....

  • Sept. 8, 2012, 9:38 p.m. CST

    Welcome to the party, fitznicely!

    by DoctorTom

    Wonderful handle, by the way. It's an interesting theory, and might be true. Oswin certainly could be working for the Silence. Of course, it might get even more complex than that. There's a few people around who know that the Doctor is still alive, and remember him - the Ponds, River, the crew of the Teselecta... ...I don't think we're done with them. Given the rough time period they seem to be from, they might be part of the Time Agency, the same one Captain Jack worked for, and Magnus Greel was worried about. The last mission the Teselecta was on was to investigate the Silence. We might find out that Oswin's actually a Time Agent, keeping a covert eye on the Doctor and help him out against the Silence, or at least get more information on them and get it back to the Agency.

  • Sept. 8, 2012, 9:41 p.m. CST

    The Douglas Adams Effect

    by micbenxyy

    Heard his voice and cadences throughout the episode. A bit of the beginning of HHGTtG. Rory's dad as Arthur Dent. The Doctor as Ford Prefect. Bit of 'The Pirate Planet' Lovely

  • Sept. 8, 2012, 9:45 p.m. CST

    Doctor and direct vs indirect killing

    by History101

    Just rewatched Fires of Pompeii, and that is at least one example of direct action taken by doctor that leads to the death of the enemy. And if correct, the doctor arranged for all humans to become executioners of the "Silence"

  • Sept. 8, 2012, 10:02 p.m. CST


    by Fitz

    Thanks, it's great to be here... Madame Vastra would remember him too, and she's in the Xmas special... I'd love to see the Teselecta crew again, lot of potential, lot of who the hell are they, who are they working for and how do they have time travel....

  • Sept. 8, 2012, 10:12 p.m. CST

    Great episode, fun all around and gave everything just enough time.

    by Elsewhere

    There was a lot going on in this episode, and nothing was loss or given too much or too little time. The intro was great with him gathering his team, loved it, reminded me o the intro to "A Good Man goes to War." Great lines and moments for everyone, serious and comical. Love how everyone got their own little story within the larger one and each one felt full ( The Hunter's tooth, Rory's Dad and traveling, ect.) That's hard to do. I fully support how ridiculous this episode went. Dino's on the ship, Egyptian Queens, big game hunters. I love the idea of the Doctor every once in awhile saying "I want to pull lots of people out of time and play with them on some adventure!" What else can we do in this episode? What craziness is missing? I know, the hunter and Amy go dino attacking and Rory's Dad sits on the edge of the tardis like it's the edge of a bridge eating what I'm going to call a working man's lunch. The sad moments (Doctor and Amy speaking, and the Tricerotops dying) were both great. Particularly the Dino dying. I would say the Dino riding was a bit over the top and unnecessary, but it was clearly meant to get us to connect to the Dino before it's death. All it needed to make it even sadder would be for the Doctor to give it a pet name like in Girl in the Fireplace. When the Doctor looked down at the dying Dino and started clap, man, that was some serious sad. Overall, very fun episode that is going to have a high rewatch rate, for me anyway. This one felt like a mini movie to me, how they said these are suppose to feel. I'd of loved an extra half hour to make it a movie. I liked this better than Asylum of the Daleks (Amy and Rory were not good in that episode, too over dramatic.) Here's hoping for next week.

  • Sept. 8, 2012, 10:24 p.m. CST

    jon pertwee re: ReBoot

    by Alientoast

    Yes, the robots did remind me of Hack and Slash. Shame the Doctor couldn't have made them un-evil ;) The only thing that could have made the episode better was the big game hunter guy getting ready to shoot a raptor, another one pops out to his side, and he mutters "clever girl" before it mauls him ;P

  • Sept. 8, 2012, 10:47 p.m. CST


    by TheSeeker7

    Also in the Fires Of Pompeii episode, Karen Gillan amounted to little more than an extra in that episode, so the situations aren't really all that compareable.

  • Sept. 8, 2012, 11:06 p.m. CST


    by Evil Chicken

    I dug it. Big time. Ok, Spoilers... Love the seeds planted concerning the Ponds & the Doctor pulling away from each other. Further, it's always a poignant moment when the Doctor plays the executioner - even when it doesn't feel like it when first viewed.

  • Sept. 8, 2012, 11:19 p.m. CST

    Holeee shit! I think I know who Oswin is.

    by mistergreen

    At her end, she told the Dr. to remember her. At the Dr's end, he told Amy to remember (Pandorica). She's the girl that grew up with a crack in the universe in her wall.

  • Sept. 8, 2012, 11:59 p.m. CST

    paging all doctor who fans

    by GeptaOO1

    where in time is everybody?

  • Sept. 9, 2012, 12:07 a.m. CST

    Fan theories about the significance of 'Remembering'

    by tomdolan04

    I remember...S5 when the Docbacks went nuts about the significance of bowties. Who still has plenty of goodwill in my book, but Im a bit bored now of recurring ideas and 'winks' to the implication that something deeper is going on because in two series now theyve lead up to finales that just squander then. <p> Id like to say 'you cant blame the Moff for fans speculating' but here the writers seem to revel in throwing coy footnotes out there and then ignoring them before throwing in more 'oh but wait till you get to 'THIS' prophecy type situation Doctor! Weve had some great Who inbetween but The Pandorca and River finales weve had left me so cold.that any talk about 'where this heading' leaves me cold. Which is a problem when the episodes are as light and lade r

  • Sept. 9, 2012, 12:11 a.m. CST

    and 'lets all run around'

    by tomdolan04

    and shout whilst the same loud musical cues are played loudly all episode. <p> my previous post got cut and posted before I touched send. Man this TB system is glitchy.

  • Sept. 9, 2012, 12:54 a.m. CST

    @Fitznicely, @Tomdolan & @darthdevious

    by veteran_of_mu

    @Fitz, Fine theory, fits nicely with HAT #11023 up the top of this docback. Also evokes the forgetting and remembering in The Library. @Tom, Like Yul Brynner said, whatever you do, just don't quote. Quotes aren't properly escapified so they wind up truncating posts. Every once in a while whoever Harry employs to try to keep AICN working will temporarily fix this badness. But it always comes back within a few months. Has done more than once now. As for tie colours, they turned up in S6 too in the ganger episodes - where they seem to be real signal. As for whether there will ever be a payoff on all this setup, I am very much in two minds. Every time I doubt the Moff - Study in Pink is a good example - I discover that he's simply pitched something I didn't catch. I hated SIP because I believed Sherlock had just guessed which pill bottle - or that it was some damned Iocaine Powder solution. Several folk here suggested that I watch these things too closely and that I should just sit back and enjoy the ride. Then in S2E1 Moff gave the hint that explained what Sherlock had actually done to beat the cabbie. Of course I felt a total prat for missing the tell. I realised that, if anything, I don't watch the Moff's stuff closely enough. The payoff is in there, somewhere. While the Moff lies and steals, he does not, so far as I can tell, cheat. Many here disagree with me on this, and sometimes I believe with the evidence of their own eyes. That's okay, I may be imagining things. Sometimes giants are just windmills. Other times, however, they are giants. @darth, Thanks for that. I haven't done my usual hyperfocused review yet. There are 3 bits I want to go back and check out properly - the stuff flashing by on Indira's screens at the start and the Doc/Amy confab in the middle. And ... I think the Doc's tie colour may have switched in yesterday's ep. too ...

  • Sept. 9, 2012, 1:03 a.m. CST

    rory's dad

    by Mrith

    was it just me or at times did rory's dad really resemble tom baker

  • Sept. 9, 2012, 1:07 a.m. CST

    on the topic of crossovers....

    by GeptaOO1

    They should totally do a Doctor Who / Farscape Crossover comic book miniseries!!! You know I'm right!!!

  • Sept. 9, 2012, 1:12 a.m. CST

    The only thing that Dinosaurs on a Spaceship was missing

    by Michael_Jacksons_Ghost

    was Arnold J. Rimmer. Then, the episode would fill complete. Also, Dwarf had dinosaurs on a Spaceship as well, so why not. The episode was really good with the production value, and CG elements were some of the best the show has ever had. There was a moment where I was hoping that Rory & Brians Biomatrix/DNA wouldn't match when starting the pilot system. So now that the whole Rory is the Master thing can be throw out a window, will we find out why his hospital ID badge in Eleventh Hour have the date it did?

  • Sept. 9, 2012, 1:13 a.m. CST


    by FeralAngel

    I hope the crew behind Who got to see this. Hell of a tribute and a more coherent review than many that are posted here (ahem...*whistles*...strolls away, hands in pockets)

  • Sept. 9, 2012, 1:15 a.m. CST


    by GeptaOO1

    oohhhh I'd love a Doctor Who / Red Dwarf crossover comic book miniseries as well!!!

  • Sept. 9, 2012, 1:16 a.m. CST

    on the subject of the word HAT

    by GeptaOO1

    i keep on seeing the word hat pop up in the docbacks.... and a number... what is the significance of this?

  • Sept. 9, 2012, 1:17 a.m. CST

    in one of the posters for this seasons episodes

    by GeptaOO1

    Rory is wearing what appears to be a nurses outfit....

  • Sept. 9, 2012, 1:28 a.m. CST

    Yssss: ankylosauruses!

    by Kathryn Gail

    Weighing in rather late as usual, this time because my power went out and I had to find another place to watch. . . well I wasn't around here for the S5 Silurian revamp, so I don't know whether it's heresy to say I really enjoyed those episodes (not to suggest they were without holes)--both the fleshing out of the Silurians into non-lurching-terriblemask entities, and the nice assortment of peripheral characters. This time, besides OMG ! DINOSAURS ! ARE ! THE ! BEST, I liked the story in much the same way: a good untold story suggested by old episodes ("but didn't the Silurians also try to save their pets/livestock/woodland friends?"), with. . . sorry, I know it's not accepted as the tightest way to keep the drama going, but I totally enjoy one-off historical figures (or types, since Riddell is a composite) being all costume-y and ramping up the sense of adventure. The regulars did seem unnecessarily caricature-like, but then I watched the first time through with non-fans and may have been overly swayed by their wincing and eye-rolling; on the repeat, it didn't bother me that much. And pursuant to my comments on last week's thread: Yes! Ankylosauruses (that I heard about but didn't see in trailers)! I am so pleased they were depicted and not just implied, unlike Churchill's WoRS mammoth (although, seriously, both episodes are so full of pterodactyls that I've no legitimate grounds for complaint)!

  • Sept. 9, 2012, 1:29 a.m. CST

    what does HAT #11023

    by GeptaOO1


  • Sept. 9, 2012, 1:46 a.m. CST

    since tomdolan04 brought up bowties. . .

    by Kathryn Gail

    Really unrelated to this week's episode and also (I freely admit) exACtly this kind of trivia that would normally make me think please please just lighten up and enjoy the show, but. . . I was re-watching Let's Kill Hitler recently, and when the Doctor is poisoned, hits the floor and the camera is right up on his prone face and neck. . . his bowtie is. . . really really obviously stitched down with contrast thread? Which would be a great way to keep that bow shape for maybe a 1960s show where viewers had much smaller screens and nobody anticipated the obsessive re-watching of the digital age, but. . . Or is it some men's formalwear thing I don't know about, like men's suit pockets needing their shape-retaining stitching pulled out by the buyer before wearing?

  • Sept. 9, 2012, 2:27 a.m. CST

    by mistergreen

    by emeraldboy

    your post doesnt make much sense. amy pond was the girl with crack in the universe in her wall. speaking of the pond... why are their gaps in his visits to the ponds. is his getting bored of them? or is thier something else going on there.

  • Sept. 9, 2012, 2:28 a.m. CST

    gaps in his visits

    by GeptaOO1

    i think Amy asked if he was trying to wean them off of him... not sure because the audio was a little messed up

  • Sept. 9, 2012, 2:29 a.m. CST

    Dinosaurs, spaceships, and the difference between absurd and ridiculous.

    by Randall Luttenberg

    Come on, dinosaurs. Spaceships. Robots. An ancient Egyptian queen. Father-son bonding. A slimy, repugnant sonofabitch for a heavy. This one packed a lot of adventure into three-quarters of an hour. Silly? Sure "Dinosaurs on a Spaceship" got silly. The whole premise is delightfully, engagingly absurd. The challenge is to put together a satisfyingly self-consistent narrative that ties this stuff together without confusing your audience or insulting them. SillyDoctor Who is cool, sometimes. This episode got silly, sometimes. This episode was cool. The thing is, Doctor Who frequently goes right past silly to ridiculous. People mistaking distorted transdimensional shadows of Cybermen for the ghosts of their loved ones? Ridiculous. The Master Hulk-leaping from place to place, and replacing everyone on Earth with copies of himself, dressed as they were dressed? Ridiculous. The Adipose? Zoot suit-wearing one-eyed Dalek-Human hybrids? Ree-fuhkin-dickyouless. I don't mean to imply that ridicule should be reserved solely for Davies-Moffet era bullshit, there's plenty to mock from the tenures of the previous 8 doctors of course. But silly and melodramatic and even narratively-convenient plots don't make for bad Doctor Who. In fact, some of the silly, melodramatic, convenient plots make for some of the best Who. It's poor storytelling and lazy plotting that make for bad Who. Dinosaurs on a Spaceship had good storytelling and a crackling plot. Dinosaurs on a Spaceship is cool. Was vengeful Eleventh Doctor really much more shockingly cold than vengeful Tenth Doctor at the end of Family of Blood? Or even calculating Fourth Doctor at the conclusion of Genesis of the Daleks? Discuss. Actually, the only narratively-convenient bits that nag at me in the end? It takes precisely 30 minutes for the missiles to reach the detonation point? Really? Not 29 minutes? Not 32.417 minutes? Also, for fuck's sake why does the Indian Space Agency launch missiles that they have absolutely no control over, including abort capability, for the 30 minutes from launch to detonation? What, R/C is a lost technology for them?

  • Sept. 9, 2012, 2:35 a.m. CST

    I thought dinosaurs on a spaceship

    by emeraldboy

    was great. and I am very pleased with the start of season 7 so far.

  • Sept. 9, 2012, 2:44 a.m. CST

    Oswin will be Doctor Who’s answer to the sixth sense...

    by Umbrage_uncut

    Here’s My guess on what happened with Oswin... Oswin has infected the Doctor with a modified version of the Dalek virus that almost transformed Pond. This occurred during the final teleport sequence off Skaro. It won’t turn him into a Dalek; instead she’ll be act as a fight club style alter ego/companion that only he can see and hear. As for Dinosaurs on a spaceship? Not a bad episode actually. Chris Chibnall’s script for this episode had a nice, brisk pace to it. Dissected its a slender narrative actually; but this was a romp rather than a slow burner mystery, this wasn’t about twists and turns, it was about cool robots, dinosaurs and a gang for the Doctor to pin ball off. The last time The Doctor tried a gang it didn’t fair too well ( A Good Man Goes To War) The Doc Gang 2.0 however has Nefertiti, and a cool big game hunter, add Winston Churchill and Vastra and you’ll have a “League of extraordinary companions”, for future cross-time mayhem.

  • Sept. 9, 2012, 2:47 a.m. CST


    by GeptaOO1

    ooh i absolutely love your theory for Oswin!

  • Sept. 9, 2012, 3:27 a.m. CST

    The Doctor and killing

    by HornOrSilk

    The Doctor has always had a dark side which can get the best of him (see Unearthly Child). We already know it can turn on himself (Valeyard, Dream Lord), but it often is turned upon those who draw out his full fury (Runaway Bride, Family of Blood). He often lets those who anger him become the cause of their own demise (Remembrance of the Daleks). And, I believe, since the Time War, this dark side is more likely to be let out than before (and why the Doctor needs someone to hold him back). So what we saw in the end is compatible with what we know of the Doctor, even if it is not what we wish from him. But that, I think, is often the point -- the Doctor needs someone like us to keep his anger in check. I do wonder if Big Finish is going to do something along these lines in their "Dark Eyes" stories, which take place after the deaths in "Lucie Miller."

  • Sept. 9, 2012, 3:45 a.m. CST

    The Doctor and killing

    by GeptaOO1

    I'm not someone that has seen every single episode of Doctor Who ever.... I did grow up watching re-runs of the show, but there are many seasons and even complete doctors that i haven't watched at all.... I have however watched every nu-who episode.... most of them more than once. Having said that, i'm not one of those fans that can describe in detail everything that's transcribed... I don't remember the doctor outright killing anyone.... however.... In Dinosaurs on a Spaceship, he might not have fired the gun..... but he definitely shoved the bad guy right into the line of fire.... The little green rock is what i understood the rockets to be homing in on... The doctor very easily could have let the bad guy run off with his tail between his legs, and gotten rid of the green rock any number of ways without causing anyone to die..... This to me and my memory is pretty much murder, and i don't remember the doctor doing anything near this before... Yes maybe letting the bad guy kill themselves... but outright being the direct cause of the bad guy dying? am i wrong?

  • This happened at the end of the Runaway Bride, and it took Donna to snap him out of it. These two scenes should remind you: And thus this scene, where Donna says sometimes he needs someone to stop him: In this instance, the Doctor was angered (the destruction of the Silurians), and brought over the edge with Solomon's demands. He had no one stop him. So his dark side took over.

  • Sept. 9, 2012, 4:09 a.m. CST

    Brilliant Doctor Who Crossover idea

    by GeptaOO1

    Doctor Who / Quantum Leap!!!! Sam Leaps into..... Rory.... The Doctor arrives.... shenanigans occurs....

  • Sept. 9, 2012, 4:11 a.m. CST


    by GeptaOO1

    thank you for the reminders... i had forgotten about that... god I miss the 10th doctor, we need to have a multiple doctor story.... now already!!!!

  • Sept. 9, 2012, 4:12 a.m. CST

    how about....

    by emeraldboy

    a dr who marvel avengers crossover...

  • Sept. 9, 2012, 4:19 a.m. CST

    Clara Oswin/Oswin Oswald

    by Captain Howdy

    They don't have to be the same person. Clara Oswin could just an ancestor of Oswin Oswald's. The 9th Doctor met Gwyneth (played by Eve Myles) in 'The Unquiet Dead', and the 10th Doctor met her descendant, Gwen Cooper (again played by Eve Myles), in the Series 4 finale. None of this is to say that the two Oswin's definitely won't be the same character, but it seems more likely to me that Clara is not the person from 'Asylum of The Daleks'. And the knowing look Oswin Oswald gives to the camera at the end of the episode leaves me in no doubt that we've not seen the last of that particular Oswin. Maybe the events of the Christmas Special allow the Doctor to "remember" an aspect of her into existence. Maybe she'll upload herself into her ancestor's body. Maybe Clara is just a result of Oswald utilising the nano-genes to create a new body. Maybe. Maybe. Maybe. The only thing we do know for a fact is that the Doctor has no idea what Oswin Oswald looked like.

  • Sept. 9, 2012, 4:20 a.m. CST

    mavalcar -- yw, and I agree, I want a good multi-Doctor story

    by HornOrSilk

    Of course, I think the best way to do it is to have an episode for each of the Doctors brought back, on their own, and then a final two-parter which brings them together. This could give us extra Who without putting a burden on Matt Smith. And the Doctors I would choose to have back are 7 - 10. The 8th Doctor could allow Paul to use his new outfit:

  • Even the Moff's "the Doctor will meet her in the place he least expects" has shown to be true (inside a Dalek). To say we only met a relative of the future companion, though possible, is a cop-out for the set up, and also goes against the way the BBC seems to be playing this. I think we saw the companion, not someone else.

  • Sept. 9, 2012, 4:36 a.m. CST

    I maybe (and probably am) wrong but..

    by James farler

    I can't help that there is some significance in showing the older Tardis on the postcard at the end... It may tie in with the destruction of the Tardis plot...

  • Sept. 9, 2012, 4:39 a.m. CST

    dr_adama -- I agree there might be something significant here

    by HornOrSilk

    It could be a mistake, but it is quite possible something else is going on....

  • Sept. 9, 2012, 4:40 a.m. CST

    RE: hornorsilk

    by Captain Howdy

    I did cover myself in all aspects, mentioning that they may well be the same person, (and even gave some examples of how this might be achieved), but why the name difference? If she's going to call herself Clara Oswin, the Doctor would easily recall his meeting with an Oswald Oswin, and start to ask questions/make assumptions about who/what she is. Perhaps using Clara as a first name is just a better way of blending into Victorian society than constantly fielding questions about why she has a man's name, but it just doesn't feel right I'm sticking with the ancestor/upload theory. For now.

  • Sept. 9, 2012, 5:05 a.m. CST

    @mavalcar on HATs, MJG on Rory as Master, and losing faith in Moff

    by veteran_of_mu

    Half Arsed Theories. The numbers on them bear a close resemblance to star-dates. #11023 as described at the top of this docback simply gives reasons for thinking Oswin is a virus. During the hiatus I collected a few HATs at hoping the docbackers would pile on and play. But we are all busy folk. Eventually realised you can take the HATs out of the docback but you can't take the docbackers out of the HATs. Or something. Anyway the idea of a HAT is that rather than claim that a deduction about DW is correct, we claim that it is plausible. It is plausible that TGWW is all about the Doctor constructing a never-happened weapon as the red-settings on the Library Sonic. But it sure isn't certain ... Some time ago I popped up a HAT that suggested that Rory is the Master under a chameleon arch and his Tardis is invisibly parked on the duck pond in Leadworth. That was a way to account for a lot of the mysteries in TEH in one fell swoop. And it sure looked like the Doc was picking Rory's pocket then ... which had a watch-shaped bulge in it if you freeze framed the Doc's minute examination of Rory on the common ... the one where you see that Rory's staff card had a 1990 date on it ... And that particular HAT picked up a reasonable amount of momentum here and elsewhere. Enough that a certain docbacker who is purportedly somehow associated with the show went so far as to deny it. But after DOAS MJG is quite correct. That HAT is no more. It's a No Arsed Theory now. Poor thing, I feel so sorry for it. To be knocked off by such a thoughtless and hackneyed bit of Chibnalia - giving Rory's dad something to do on the Silurian ship instead of just standing around - is downright ignominious. I do doubt that the Moff will pull anything off like that now. It's been too long. And there's too much money in the thing now. We've had 3 episodes in a row - counting the Xmas special - for the kiddies. Next episode is obviously another for the kiddies. 45 minute episodes aren't long enough to do much else. The Ponds are gone 2 episodes later and with Gillan off to Hollywood they won't be back. Canton Delaware 3 isn't coming back. So ... The fat lady hasn't sung yet but ... she's warming up. If there's nothing in the bag in 3 weeks I think it will be safe to say the Golden Age of HATs is over. Sigh.

  • Sept. 9, 2012, 5:11 a.m. CST

    caractacuspotts oh, but Rory can still be the Master...

    by HornOrSilk

    The Master just did to Rory what he did to Nyssa's father. So there you go. HAT is still alive.

  • Sept. 9, 2012, 6:49 a.m. CST

    Isn't The Master stuck in the Time War?

    by vadakinX

    The last time we saw The Master he was attacking Rassilon and sending the Time Lords back into the war. Obviously it's not impossible to escape the Time Lock, Davros managed to do it but the Master's situation is slightly different. His body was breaking down and he was locked in battle with Rassilon so in order to see the Master again, the conclusion of that would need to be resolved. Maybe he kills Rassilon. Maybe the other Time Lords fix The Master and now completely sane, he becomes the new Lord President and restores Gallifrey. Is there anything The Doctor would find scarier than The Master being the ruler of the Time Lords?

  • Sept. 9, 2012, 6:49 a.m. CST

    gamma-ray_joe , this is a show about *time* travel after all

    by chronicallydepressedlemming

    It doesn't need to be any more complex than an ancestor. The companion being an ancestor of the Oswald that saved him could be the only reason he needs to take her on. He's got regret.

  • Sept. 9, 2012, 6:51 a.m. CST

    Dino Crisis 3

    by Gill Figno

    Dino Crisis 3 had dinosaurs on a spaceship like 10 years ago.

  • Sept. 9, 2012, 6:57 a.m. CST

    Is it just me....

    by dj_bollocks

    and this is neither a sleight to Matt or David, but I can quite clearly imagine David doing a lot of the mannerisms and delivery that Matt does if he were doing the current scripts.... Is that a bit Sixth Sense ? My point is whilst the characteristics of Doctor 10 and Doctor 11 are different, there's nothing in there that isn't interchangeable - my point being I don't understand why people don't like certain things about the individual actors when the tone and style of the show haven't really changed since it's reboot. I don't know if that makes sense or not...

  • Sept. 9, 2012, 8:08 a.m. CST

    10 stated regeration makes you a new person.

    by shutupfanboy

    I think the core is still there ie memory, but a new Doctor is a new person. So, that would explain why the Doctors have different mannerisms and behavior. As for the episode, top notch and already one of my favorites.

  • Sept. 9, 2012, 8:12 a.m. CST

    Rory is not the Master.

    by shutupfanboy

    I understand people want to the Master back, but it is not going to happen. If anything, if we get the Master back, it will have to do with re-opening the Time War which I don't see Moffat doing. The Time War is a very RTD thing and I don't see him wanting to revisit it.

  • Sept. 9, 2012, 8:28 a.m. CST

    Oswin (potential spoilers)

    by DimensionsPlural

    A lot of talk above about nods to Star Trek, but no one seems to have mentioned quite an important one. Major character about to die, looks at camera and says "Remember." Spock in Wrath of Khan, anyone? Plus, as it transpires later, Spock has transferred his conscience into the mind of another character. This also supports the popular "Oswin uploads herself into the Doctor's mind" theory. I have to assume that she finds a way to download herself into a new body though, rather than stays as someone that only the Doctor can see/hear, as I've seen a behind-the-scenes clip where someone other than the doctor refers to Clara by name. As in, Clara is definitely a real person, who gets into the usual companion perils. Loved the Dinosaur episode, by the way. A fantastic romp, with surprising depth.

  • Sept. 9, 2012, 8:55 a.m. CST

    Clara Ancestor time travel

    by platelet

    Indeed the show is about time travel, so it can be as simple as meeting her when she called herself Oswin rather than Cara As simple as the Ponds dying of old age

  • He was getting tired of Transformers a while back because they all had guns. So I told him about The Doctor and how he didn't like guns and just armed himself with a sonic screwdriver and travelled around time and space in a blue box that was magic because it was bigger on the inside. He thought that was cool but I've been trying to find an episode that won't give him nightmares. I think this will be the one.

  • Sept. 9, 2012, 9:44 a.m. CST

    Will The Ponds ending include the ending for River/Melody

    by tangcameo

    Do the official sources say 'Rory and Amy' or 'The Ponds' when they mention their eventual demise? Maybe Rory and Amy meet their end just before The Doctor shows up at River's door with that modified sonic screwdriver and tells her about a library. Maybe the end of The Ponds is not just two but all three.

  • Sept. 9, 2012, 9:45 a.m. CST

    So why did the Moff leave twitter?

    by Kevin Bolinger

    Anyone know his reasoning? If it is because of up, everyone is a critic when you put out something to the public. For what it is worth, I think he has done a fantastic job with the show. Is it perfect? No,however, what in this world truly is.

  • Sept. 9, 2012, 10:02 a.m. CST

    darthdevious -- the claim is it was a distraction

    by HornOrSilk

    Probably true to some extent. However, there is also a lot of trolling on twitter, and recently, many involved with Doctor Who (classic and new, I think) were hit by a horrible trolling on twitter and so I wouldn't blame him if he decided it was not worth the time and effort. I myself don't like twitter.

  • Sept. 9, 2012, 10:05 a.m. CST


    by Kevin Bolinger

    Yeah, I am not a huge twitter fan, I mainly have it to be kept up to date on the recording times of the podcast i am involved in. Most days i do not even turn it on at all, or if it is on, I ignore it. LOL

  • Sept. 9, 2012, 10:09 a.m. CST

    @horn - not as neat

    by veteran_of_mu

    Because then there's no watch, no pick-pocketing, and no tragedy because Rory would have known he was The Master. No, to quote Heinlein: ~When the need arises — and it does — you must be able to shoot your own dog. Don't farm it out — that doesn't make it nicer, it makes it worse.~ This particular dog can hunt no more. The only dignified thing to do is end its days. For anyone who keeps score, the Rory As Master HAT was born on December 31 2011 ( Alas, eheu, pshaw, foo.

  • Sept. 9, 2012, 10:14 a.m. CST

    caractacuspotts ah but there is a way

    by HornOrSilk

    The Master took over Rory's body, and then the FOB watch turned him into the person he took over, Rory. For that's what the DNA would lead to. There. It all works.

  • Rory is the guy who is constantly being killed. Remember this. Now, it's never been said what happens to the person the Master takes over (ala Nyssa's father). Suggestion: the person is still in there, trapped, aware of everything being done, and yet not entirely alive. It is a kind of limbo when this happens. Sp. we know Rory grew up with Amy. We have seen young Rory. The Master took control of Rory sometime later, after young Rory. This effectively killed Rory the first time, but his memory and consciousness was there. But the FOB watch used Rory's consciousness to create an alter-Rory persona for the Master. Rory is trapped in a Rory-substitute-Master! For quite sometime, it is close to being alive, but not yet alive. However, things sometimes happen when give Rory life. He is fully alive, without the Master's control over him, when he is in the Dream Lord's domain (the Dream Lord kept the Master out). Moreover, he is also Rory when he is an Auton. That's right, Rory died when he returned to reality. And Auton Rory is full Rory-consciousness which gets taken over by, killed by, the Nestene, only to resurrect after shooting Amy. So Rory is alive, dead, alive again. And then the universe dies. Rory dies with the universe. Amy remembers everything back, including FOB-Rory-Master with Rory living on the inside. Rory died once again. But Rory is brought back to life in The Wedding of River Song. Now, Rory, back to life, is living without the Master, and no longer remembers any of the events which happened. The Silence said he will die again. He does -- when River accepts "killing" the Doctor, bringing reality back to normal. There, the life and multiple deaths of Rory.

  • Sept. 9, 2012, 11:29 a.m. CST

    I was bothered by The Doctor killing...

    by Bill Clay

    My daughter said, "He deserved it!" But it just felt wrong to watch The Doctor intentionally aim those missiles at the bad guy and blow him up. I assume he's actively killed someone before, but I can't recall a time when something The Doctor has done has struck such a wrong chord with me. <P> I thought about a line from the preview of next week's episode, where The Doctor is holding a gun and Amy tells him, "We don't roll this way!"

  • Sept. 9, 2012, 11:58 a.m. CST

    You will probably enjoy Doctor Who more...

    by FuzzyLumpkins

    ...if you stop making demands of it and just enjoy it for what it is. Life, too, for that matter.

  • Sept. 9, 2012, 12:03 p.m. CST

    Theory concerning Amy/Rory/These Episodes

    by Jack Cummings

    I have a real problem with these episodes. Huge stories, short episodes, and ridiculously huge holes in the continuity. However, I also love these episodes. The Doctor rode a dinosaur, for goodness sake! So... This whole conundrum has got me thinking. Could it be that this Doctor is from Amy and Rory's future, a time where they have already passed? And the Doctor, in his infinite compassion (unless you're Solomon) has decided to give them a few really huge adventures just before they go? Just to make sure they've had a great life (9th Doctor ref. about Rose)? There was a whole lot of foreshadowing and the Doctor throwing looks and getting offended when Amy mentioned her death. Food for thought...

  • Sept. 9, 2012, 12:15 p.m. CST


    by supertoyslast

    That was just a little patronising. Surely one of the great joys for many geeks is analysing things in detail?

  • Sept. 9, 2012, 12:23 p.m. CST

    killing Solomon

    by Kathryn Gail

    I was a bit taken aback by this, too, but the Doctor's stated aversion is to guns; he's certainly been responsible for deaths before, however uncomfortable it may make him. Solomon's fate was the same one he was about to bring upon himself in any case, just adjusted so that he didn't take anyone else with him. It has been pointed out repeatedly that when the Doctor shows up, people often die, but that's often an abstraction in that they're either evil invading hoards or individuals killed by bad luck or by having been inspired to personal heroism, so it's interesting to have a close look at where his own line is and what put him over it. Solomon intends to 'break' Nefertiti and the Doctor is fiercely loyal to individual friends, but he's also on record back to 1970 as having tremendous respect for Silurian civilization even when he's put in the position of having to fight them off.

  • Sept. 9, 2012, 12:25 p.m. CST

    The Doctor killing

    by supertoyslast

    I think we were meant to feel slightly uncomfortable about the Doctor effectively murdering an enemy as revenge rather than defence. We know that the Doctor is capable of great feats of vengeance, particularly when he travels alone for too long. I expect this to be part of a story thread which will be developed next week (as it seems the Doctor will be taking morally questionable decisions then as well). Possibly it'll build to a climax with Amy deciding to leave when she realises just how far the Doctor will go to protect her - maybe too far. So she leaves for his own good.

  • Sept. 9, 2012, 2:06 p.m. CST

    I don't see Oswin being uploaded into the Doctor's memory

    by DoctorTom

    They would be dropping more clues about it, like the Doctor catching glimpses of her out of the corner of his eye, or hearing his voice sometime. Besides, if she uploaded herself into the Doctor's head that way, she'd be running into some unforeseen difficulties: Dream Lord: Well, well, look who's popped in for a visit! I don't remember hanging out a vacancy sign. But you know the Doctor, his head's vacant most of the time. Well, I guess I get you all to myself until the Doctor goes to sleep again. My...naughty...little...self. She'd get out of there as soon as she could. Beside, quite frankly, if she were uploading herself anywhere, it would be far easier for her to just upload herself into the Datapath and pop out into whatever Dalek she wanted, or possibly even any human converted into a Dalek slave by the nanocloud. But, if they went that path, we'd more likely have been having Anamaria Marinca as the next companion, having had Oswin downloaded into her.

  • Sept. 9, 2012, 2:15 p.m. CST

    The Doctor killing

    by DoctorTom

    he's done it before, but it's always jarring. He killed the Cyberman in the TARDIS (using the Cyberman's gun, making it more jarring) in Earthshock. He killed the Racnoss in The Runaway Bride. Also, remember how near the end of his life the 10th Doctor railed about how he got worse - he got clever and had his enemies kill themselves. We've seen that several times, Sylvester McCoy sets things up twice in one season and taunts his opponents into doing what will cause desruction - once taunting Davros into accidentally killing Skaro (it got better, given last week's episode) and taunting the Cyberleader into accidentally killing the Cyberfleet. And that was half the stories that season. And, of course, Tennant deliberately sending Rassilon and Gallifrey back into the Time Lock, knowing full well that it means their end in there. It might be an interesting development though if the Doctor's willingness to kill is a result of his exposure to the Dalek nanocloud. Maybe he was more affected than he thought.

  • Sept. 9, 2012, 2:23 p.m. CST


    by Rebel Scumb

    I agree, the triceritops death was needlessly unpleasent, and not at all earned by an otherwise entirely fluffy episode.

  • Sept. 9, 2012, 2:30 p.m. CST

    Xmas special 2011, Asylum of the Daleks, now this episode....

    by Rebel Scumb

    Really dissappointed with this season so far. And the problems are almost entirely with the writing. Everything feels inconsequential and random to the point of meaningless Going to keep going to the Ponds exit, if no improvement I'm going to tune out catch up down the road with the blu-ray. Matt Smith can be a great doctor but he isn't being properly utilized at all at the moment in my opinion, its all silly/manic and none of the ancient gravitas he had in Season 5. I don't blame Smith, he's a fine actor, I place the blame squarely with Moffat, I just cannot get past how incredibly lazy he's allowed the writing to get on this show which was so great just 1-2 years ago. Anyways, sorry for the negativity but I just find it frustrating that with the show at the best possible production values it's ever had, a great actor as the doctor, and some very charming companions, and a headwriter who in the past has given us such brilliance as silence in the library and blink, that the standards for storytelling (or complete lack there of) has occured.

  • Sept. 9, 2012, 3:14 p.m. CST

    Xmas special 2011, Asylum of the Daleks, now this episode....

    by Rebel Scumb

    I tried posting this before but for some reason it didn't appear Anyways it was too much to rewrite all of it, but my overall point was I've been very dissappointed with Dr Who this year. Matt Smith can be a great but he isn't being properly utilized this year in my opinion, starting with the xmas episode last december. I lay the blame squarely on the Moffat and the other writers, the scripts have just been so incredibly lazy, and almost everything feels inconsequential or completely random. Regular docbackers have already heard me rant about pacing in previous docbacks, I actually thought that wasn't really an issue for the dinosaurs on a spaceship episode, it felt like a proper episode of TV, just not a great one. And that for me is the real dissappointment, it's not that the episodes are awful so much as they are forgetable, again in my opinion. I did think the Silurian spaceship was pretty cool looking on the outside, the SFX and production values continue to improve with each new season, I just wish they could think these stories through a bit more and give them some meat and character, and palpable stakes. Oh well, hopefully things improve I'll stick around until xmas and see if it does.

  • Sept. 9, 2012, 3:15 p.m. CST


    by Rebel Scumb

    Now my original post IS showing. Stupid technology.

  • Sept. 9, 2012, 3:56 p.m. CST

    @horn, @fuzzy & @rebel

    by veteran_of_mu

    Horn, I'm afraid you lost me on that last bend. Don't feel bad about that - I have been guilty of the same thing. I suggest you lay it out in smaller chunks - and using numbered points really helps. @Fuzzy, dude, if you don't really care about DW, go ahead, enjoy the fsck out of whatever slop they put up, don't pay any attention to the Docbackers. We are a pedantic, ornery, persnickety bunch each with our own secret knowledge and agenda. And we always will be. Deal. @Rebel, your new post currently hides under the "QUick Talkback Form" until you refresh the page. Good, isn't it?

  • Sept. 9, 2012, 4:26 p.m. CST

    short time lurker

    by Fi

    ...and now posting because I just can't resist dinosaurs, pterosaurs and Doctor Who all together at once. While thinking in the back of my mind a few times during the episode "Gosh, this isn't the greatest script", I did genuinely find myself laughing out loud (and being rewarded with sidelong glances from my husband) at Mark Williams and loved how many nods there were to other sci-fi films/shows. Having read last week's docback I saw a lot of people concerned at Chibnall's abilities, and I suppose it depends on what you want to get out of DW - a lot of fun for the kids (akin to what David Mitchell was saying in his soapbox clip somebody linked in here) or more than that. Well I think we did get more than that this week (helped by a fun cast and some pointed references to the future for the Ponds, and seing the malevolent side of the Doctor again), and that was a pleasant surprise for me. I loved the HAL 9000 reference, surprised that it hasn't been more noted on this docback! I liked the camera angle where they fall off the triceratops and all stand up suddenly, which reminded me of Mark Williams' character in the film Stardust. A bit slapstick maybe, but I admit, I giggled a bit. Didn't like so much that they called the pterosaurs "pterodactyls" and that they were basically labelled as dinosaurs - I thought Doctor Who was all for making things accurate (loved in TIL where Rose tells off the 1950s father for calling the union flag a union jack and for having it upside down). Oh and in addition to that, I was a little sad that they didn't name the Ankylosauruses, I'm all about the educational side of DW! And I so wanted to see more than just 3 species of dinosaur! Screw the budget! I too was thinking about Rupert Graves as the hunter in Jurassic Park all the way through and it made me so happy when the raptors arrived although I cringed a bit at his and Karen's dancing around "anaethsetising" the dinosaurs scene. I did wonder why when Oswin (or some form of her) is clearly coming back in a few episodes the Doctor didn't seem to show any kind of remorse about leaving her (supposedly) behind in AotD, apart from doing his standard "I'm so sorry" line at the end of the episode. He definitely scared me a little when he left Solomon (aptly named) behind to be blown up, he does feel to be showing a colder side to his nature the last two episodes, and yep, his killing of the raknoss caught me in the same way. It was nice to see something of the Silurians again, and the description of the passengers' deaths was harrowingly told. Perhaps I can understand the Doctor's revenge after all. Feel kind of worried about next week, looks a bit too Cowboys and Aliens for me, or just an excuse to get the Doctor back in a Stetson but without Mark Sheppard making everything awesome. Looking forward to another Neil Gaiman episode, and I very much hope that it won't feel like a let down since he won't have had YEARS to perfect the script like last time (which also seems to be Moffat's problem - can we not have more GitF or Blink-quality episodes please?). As an aside, would anyone else like to see Joss Whedon writing for DW? Imagine this has been brought up before, but I'm drooling just thinking about it.

  • Sept. 9, 2012, 4:31 p.m. CST

    One more thing with Rupert Graves' character Riddell

    by DoctorTom

    I did like the line he had in his first scene with the Doctor where he said *I shan't* - it was just a little touch, but it rang true to me for a Victorian big game hunter type (I wonder if in his younger days he ever met Redvers Fenn-Cooper). Chibmell did well with nice little touches here and there.

  • I just had one in my post before this go there, and when I refreshed it disappeared totally. I won't be surprised to see it show up once I post this and refresh again, assuming this one doesn't also abscond into the nether realms...

  • Sept. 9, 2012, 4:35 p.m. CST

    And, I was right - the post showed up again after my second post

    by DoctorTom

    swallowing text when you use quotations, posts disappearing until you post something else - the forum is up to its old shenanigans again.

  • still didn't show until I did the repost. Oh well, there are worse things in life.

  • Sept. 9, 2012, 5:10 p.m. CST

    docback/talkback technical issues.

    by GeptaOO1

    I've been hearing or reading about quite a few issues with docback and other talkbacks. I'm wondering if some of the problems might be browser related..... I use Safari.... and Expand All Works perfectly for me. Although I do wish there was an Expand All button at the bottom of the post, instead of just at the top... I swear it used to be different. I haven't had a problem with quotation marks in a long time. I have experienced the posts not appearing problem, and then appearing magically 15-20 minutes later. but it was on a different computer and I don't remember what browser i was using, most likely Firefox. And as for posts appearing on the bottom after the form, i thought that was just some new thing they were doing on purpose.

  • The cyborg's voice and face. Did showing them in the Season 7 trailer kind of give away a part of the plot or are we supposed to know who that is? Or is it a given?

  • Sept. 9, 2012, 5:18 p.m. CST

    Re: Amy's odd jobs

    by Cletus1974

    Did you notice how Amy took on the "job" of the Dr. when the teleporter seperated them? Seemed like another instance of Amy becoming something from this universe. She had an Angel in her eye. She started to become a Dalek from the nano-cloud. There was something done to her at Demon's run to the point that she can't have another child. Maybe she's becoming some sort of Anti-Timey-Wimey-Dealy-Bob, I mean didn't she create this universe during the second Big Bang? Didn't she have to remember the Dr. for him to exist? Maybe that's why the scanner couldn't find the Dr. in it's database. Oswin's virus corrupted the Dalek growing inside Amy and is changing the fabric of this universe. Just a thought.

  • Found this Clearly, the Doctor's dark turn is once again being built upon. I think this is, in some ways, a continuation of what we thought would happen last year -- the Doctor IS turning dark, the universe IS going to have a reason to fear the Doctor in the way River warned the Doctor about. We keep seeing hints as to how and why the Valeyard will come into existence (whatever the Valeyard is). Doctor 10 already showed hubris, Time Lord victorious, and now Doctor 11 is turning upon the dark side, the full fury of the Doctor. And WAR seems to be coming.

  • Sept. 9, 2012, 5:29 p.m. CST

    a spaceship the size of Canada

    by tangcameo

    Had a little moment of national pride when he said that. I'll take my Canuck moments on Doctor Who when I can get them. My Doctor Who novel idea is set in Canada but anyone from the UK or the US would love it and relate to it - but I still can't tell anyone anything about it. I still remember a post I made, another AICN poster who's name was something like K[censored]K, and a certain NBC program that appeared on TV years after my post - although it might have been on and not here.

  • Though says spoiler-free, I think the hints give a lot out... Egg Terminate? Already?

  • Sept. 9, 2012, 5:35 p.m. CST

    @honorsilk What's more dangerous...

    by tangcameo

    ...a Doctor everyone knows and fears, or a Doctor everyone's forgotten (Oswin's data wipe) or thinks is dead. Will he do more darker things now that he's more of a phantom or a memory? But would still love a Ginger Doctor for 12. Rupert or the actor who played Vincent. Rupert if the idea that the Doctor is getting younger and younger as he gets older and older.

  • Sept. 9, 2012, 5:45 p.m. CST

    URLs on a Spaceship! I know!

    by veteran_of_mu

    I don't know if anyone else caught it, but all the fancy sliding text in the Indian Space Agency is just some links to, a bit of javascript from a Unity3d project and a non-existent sourceforge project called data_scan. The fact that the sourceforge project is non-existent is interesting. But the rest is just lazy production design.

  • Sept. 9, 2012, 5:54 p.m. CST

    Ohhh....If no one remebers the Doctor......

    by Cletus1974

    What happens if he forgets as well? Can't answer the "first question" if you don't know the answer.

  • Sept. 9, 2012, 6:03 p.m. CST


    by Kathryn Gail

    Well there were four species of dinosaur (or. . . I'm not a paleontologist much to the disappointment of my child self, but I suspect the tech specs didn't necessarily get much past family let alone genus!): two ankylosauruses, a triceratops, several raptors and one juvenile plus everal unborn t-rexes (nice follow-on from the 'eggs' theme from last week)! And the pterosaurs, which could far more easily have been mistaken for kestrels had they been pterodactyl-sized, but I've generally referred to them as pterodactyls in keeping with the show's dialogue and park signage! Now if they'd just have Othneil Charles Marsh and Edwin Drinker Cope pop up in the Old West next week. . . *swoon* Since my power was out yesterday (E. coast US storms), I ended up explaining the Silurian backstory to a grumpy, non-fan skeptic, whose response was 'so Planet of the Apes with lizards; didn't they wear that one out in the '60s?' But what was this same crankypants watching in the '60s? Doctor Who, of course! "Well it made sense back then!" My dad, folks! Don't let him fool you, he sat through the whole thing and asked a LOT more questions than a bored person could have thought up. . .

  • Sept. 9, 2012, 6:16 p.m. CST

    Shouldn't Rory's Dad have recognized The Doctor from the wedding?

    by tangcameo

    Two scenarios. Rory's Dad was AT the wedding and should have recognized The Doctor and his blue box from the wedding reception. Or Rory's Dad missed the wedding reception and Rory or Amy or Brian himself mentioned something in the episode that I missed. So if Rory's Dad is named Brian Williams, is he a BBC news/sports anchor (there's a US Brian Williams anchor and a Canadian Brian Williams anchor).

  • Sept. 9, 2012, 6:20 p.m. CST

    A cartoon dealing with where Oswin was getting the milk

    by DoctorTom

  • Sept. 9, 2012, 6:22 p.m. CST

    And, another cartoon relevant to that episode

    by DoctorTom

    Beauty care secrets of Darla von Karlsen:

  • Sept. 9, 2012, 6:28 p.m. CST


    by GeptaOO1

    thank you for those links.... those were hilarious

  • Sept. 9, 2012, 6:55 p.m. CST

    tangcameo, national pride

    by Rebel Scumb

    Yeah I liked that to. First time as far as I know that Canada has ever been mentioned on Dr. Who I still think the doctor should have an episode take place here! Maybe work in some meta humour about TVO's role in perserving so much of the classic era stories from being erased by the BBC

  • Sept. 9, 2012, 7:09 p.m. CST

    Doctor Who and Canada

    by HornOrSilk


  • Sept. 9, 2012, 7:18 p.m. CST

    Canadian Sci-Fi

    by GeptaOO1

    I'm a huge fan of "Lost Girl" and "Continuum" and I am very much looking forward to the upcoming spin-off of Primeval, which is set in Canada. I've also seen Todd and the book of Pure Evil.... Can anyone recommend me any good Canadian Sci-Fi? When is the new Primeval show supposed to premiere?

  • Sept. 9, 2012, 7:29 p.m. CST

    Imagine the Canadian references he'd ramble on about

    by tangcameo

    That is was his fault Joni Mitchell never got to play at Woodstock. Or that he once had two companions named Casey and Finnegan. Or he was at the bed-in in Montreal with John and Yoko. Or that he had a hand in the War of 1812 ("Laura Secord! Wonderful girl. She's got a photographic memory. Made great chocolates too.") Or that Canada still blames him for that incident involving [enter classic DW villians here] and that mountain that grew up out of nowhere (and disappeared just as quickly) in Saskatchewan (flat as the proverbial pancake here).

  • Sept. 9, 2012, 7:34 p.m. CST

    The British Don't Have to Be Politically Correct

    by CharlesG

    I envy the BBC's freedom to eschew political correctness, illustrated in "Dinosaurs on a Spaceship" by the money-above-all villain -- who (I'd guess this would never fly on US television) embodies Jewish stereotypes as much as any character since Fagin in "Oliver Twist", is named "Solomon", and desires a master-slave relationship with the monarch of Egypt.

  • Sept. 9, 2012, 7:39 p.m. CST

    Socktor Who: The Tenth Planet Part 4

    by The Transformed Man

    A kid who shops in my store did this puppet version of "The Tenth Planet" Part 4.

  • Sept. 9, 2012, 7:40 p.m. CST

    Re: tangcameo - Rory's Dad

    by Vektorix

    I definitely noticed that - I can't imagine that Brian would have missed the reception of his son's wedding and CERTAINLY could not have overlooked a blue phone box materializing in the middle of the dance floor. The ONLY plausible reason I can think of is related with what Oswin did last week and why Solomon's scanner didn't recognize The Doctor - maybe everyone who hasn't taken a trip in the TARDIS has forgotten him? Although I think if that was the case they might have made at least a passing reference to his "forgetting". Chalking it up to fail in the production/continuity office, a small mar of a cracking good episode.

  • Sept. 9, 2012, 7:53 p.m. CST

    GOOD Canadian sci-fi?

    by tangcameo

    Most good canadian sci-fi was just made in Canada for markets other than Canada (stargate, xfiles, BSG, etc). Of the top of my head I'd reccomend Friday The 13th the series. It's more horror than sci-fi and its godawfully cheesy but its got a certain charm. Has nothing to do with Jason (was supposed to but they nixed it). Antique shop owner makes a deal with Satan and sells cursed antiques but dies when he tries to doublecross on the deal. His niece and nephew (cousins) inherit the shop, find out about the cursed antiques, and, with the help of a supernatural expert, hunt them down. Usually it was one artifact per episode - the artifact would grant the user some amazing power, but only if they went out and killed someone, usually killing them with the object (eg. pen that writes true crime bestsellers using the blood from the victims). Rabbit Fall - Bad acting but interesting premise. New cop in Northern Saskatchewan town. She's aboriginal/native/indian (whatever the term is wherever you are) and the town is on land where indians once lived hundreds of years ago and while she investigates modern day crimes she sees the spirits of those indians from long ago. The (Jellybean) Odyssey - After being knocked unconscious and falling into a coma, a kid finds himself in an alternate universe where adults disappeared and kids rule a fantasy world . Watch the pilot for the premise then skip ahead to the second season (and only the second season - it goes bad again after that). In the second season the show really matured, involving a story about the boy's father who died in a mysterious boating accident. Plus the kids he meets in the coma world all have real world counterparts. Imagine somewhere between 'Jeremiah' and the season six paralell universe on 'Lost'. A Canadian-made version of 'Mysterious Island' with Canadian actors (including one HOT actress named Collette Stevenson) and John Bach as Captain Nemo. Only one season, but fairly good, although it realized it wasn't going to last and burned viewers in the end. Sadly, I don't think any of these are on DVD.

  • Sept. 9, 2012, 8:08 p.m. CST

    Rory did say something about the Doctor at the Wedding.

    by shutupfanboy

    I swear no one ever pays attention when watching TV or movies.

  • Sept. 9, 2012, 8:14 p.m. CST

    And if you have a tv antennae 20-25 light years from earth...

    by tangcameo

    ...Hamilton's Quest. Not sci-fi but would play on SciFi or Space. Young man's parents are killed in (mysterious?) car accident and after the funeral he finds out he's adopted. His birth mother is travelling with some travelling circus across Canada (long before the internet when, apparently, a travelling circus wouldn't stick out like a sore thumb anyway) and at ever stop she leaves behind a tarot card for him like some trail of breadcrumbs. But there is some mysterious man in black who's after his birth mother too and follows the young man from town to town. He finds her in the last episode but the man in black is never explained. Putnam's Prairie Emporium. Low LOW budget kids show filmed in small city tv station. About the magical owner of a toy store in a small prairie town whose daughter, and her kids, come to live with him. There are also a couple of smart aleck puppets ...and a scientist with a time travelling closet (jeez I wonder where they got THAT idea). Started off clunky but the writer's honed their craft and by the end (2 or 3 short short seasons) the show was actually well written despite production values (which made old school DW production values look like James Cameron CGI). There were nods to shows like the Twilight Zone and probably Doctor Who (the time travelling scientist takes the kids back to 1977 to see Star Wars when it first hit theatres or tells them the complications of going back to kill Hitler or messing with the Big Bang). And like DW, the tv station ended up wiping the tapes.

  • Sept. 9, 2012, 9:18 p.m. CST

    very very very interesting article

    by GeptaOO1

    may contain spoilers

  • Sept. 9, 2012, 9:35 p.m. CST


    by Kathryn Gail

    Let us never again mock Kids Today for their short attention spans or lack of appreciation for the past!

  • Sept. 9, 2012, 10:06 p.m. CST

    What did everyone make of Dr & Amy sparring?

    by david

    He's trying to dump them with kindness? He knows what is happening to her but - for some reason - can/will not fix/help her? He's staying away because he doesn't like competing with Rory for her attention? He just got bored of them and wants more interesting friends? The Dr seemed to be over-compensating by putting together a new, bigger, more eclectic crew. Like someone going to bars every night after a break up. And there is definitely something up with Amy. They did a good job making her too capable in tha control room. And it took you a minute to decide that you didn't buy her "Oh, I've picked up a few things along the way..." explanation. A theory to chew on: Amy's reference to being a queen came from the fact that she is the first of something. For example, first hybrid human/Dalek/Timelord or whatnot. And maybe that's why she has to go soon - she's going to become a dangerous threat. Maybe Smith even has to kill her..... Any takers??

  • Sept. 9, 2012, 10:28 p.m. CST

    Ok, found the best review of this episode...

    by Kevin Bolinger

    See, children get it...they really do...sometimes I think us oldtimers get a bit too cynical :P

  • Sept. 9, 2012, 10:37 p.m. CST


    by GeptaOO1

    i'm eagerly awaiting your thoughts on that link i posted....

  • Sept. 9, 2012, 11:17 p.m. CST

    Best ever episode if you're eight years old and full of sugar!

    by BiggusDickus

    Sometimes, we need to be reminded that Who is a children's show and boy, did we get reminded here!

  • Sept. 9, 2012, 11:19 p.m. CST

    does anyone watch

    by GeptaOO1

    the tv show LEVERAGE? i <3 it!!

  • Sept. 10, 2012, 12:12 a.m. CST


    by Ryoga1124

    Do you remember a show called 'Seeing Things'? Old school CBC show. Not a sci-fi by any means, but had a 'Sixth Sense' element to it. The music on the show creeped me out when I was a tyke.

  • Sept. 10, 2012, 1:30 a.m. CST


    by veteran_of_mu

    The Jenny-chair relationship was mentioned up-thread here. Seems kind of unlikely - I think we're all looking forward to Jenny turning up as La Moffett and doubt Moff would want to spoil any possibility of that. Likewise Oswin as River seems a bit too dull. They're already similar and if Moff were going there there'd be a ~sweetie~ mixed in or something. But dig the notion that Oswin knows the Doc from elsewhere/elsewhen. The ~run you clever boy~ is far too familiar to mean nothing. And the natural M.O. of time travellers is to meet out of order. As the Doc expressed in Vincent, he gets a bit bored sticking around in linear time for very long ... My guess is that River will appear to have been lost along with her parents in Ep 5, and reappear in Season 8 in a new body - but not JLC. I mean can you imagine the Doc maybe a year after tragically losing her turning around to find some big bear of a bloke tongue kissing him and declaring, ~Hello Sweetie!~ Thinking Auntie Jack ...

  • Sept. 10, 2012, 1:44 a.m. CST

    eight years old and full of sugar!

    by drave117

    I freaking loved this episode! Despite the story indeed resembling the fever dream of a kid on a sugar high, Smith does some of his best work ever in this episode. I've always been impressed by him, but i feel like he leveled up greatly between the last episode and this one.

  • Sept. 10, 2012, 4:26 a.m. CST

    Highlight of the episode

    by kuryakin

    For me was Rory's dad sitting with a flask and some sandwiches just looking out over the earth. Don't know why, just a lovely little moment I also liked the fact he always carries a trowel ( and golf balls) and seems bemused that Rory doesn't

  • Sept. 10, 2012, 4:27 a.m. CST

    @ryoga Yep I remember Seeing Things

    by tangcameo

    You can find all the episodes on YouTube now (some still hold up while some are horibbly dated). It was my favourite show at the time but always around my bedtime so I had to always argue with my parents over watching the second half hour of the show. The one episode that scared the hell out of me was the epi where a hockey player is in the announcer booth high above a hockey rink and he's pounding on the window as he watches the game and the glass gives way and he falls to the ice. My dad worked at the local hockey rink in the announcer booth and I never trusted going up there with him after that. What was really freaky was when I saw the lead actor on the show one night ten years later in 'Scanners', when he gets his head blown up.

  • Sept. 10, 2012, 4:37 a.m. CST

    @Cletus1974 Re Amy changing

    by kuryakin

    Yes I was thinking the same thing about Amy, she was exposed to the Dalek nano virus thing till the bracelet got put on her. I was thinking that somehow Oswin found a way to beam herself into the TARDIS, floated about in there for a while, somehow the virus created just enough of an opening for her to get into Amy's body (err, you know what I mean) and she is slowly taking over Amy from the inside. Throw in some TARDIS timey-wimeyness allowing Oswin to physically regenerate from Amy's body and there you have it, bye bye Amy hello new companion. It's a ludicrous theory I know but then it's Dr Who and they're not short on ludicrous shit on this show. It would kind of explain how Amy is suddenly super capable with alien computers and would create some good tension with the Doc if his friend is erased and replaced by Oswin. Would he hate her, forgive her etc. Maybe that's why she takes the new name, she is technically a new person. And poor old Rory if this happens :(

  • Sept. 10, 2012, 5:53 a.m. CST

    in the beast below...

    by emeraldboy

    the dr is quite stunned that amy can quite remember the daleks. When we first meet the grown up amy pond. she is very handy at getting the dr out of trouble. that seemed very off to me at the time. and i couldnt put my finger on it. In saturdays ep he takes a swipe at amy because she goes from one job to another... The way amy was written has always made you think that there is something more to her than meets the eye. which is why the bbc is giving nothing away about the power of three. Its the penultimate pond dr who episode. its the one that fills in all the blanks about amy pond. so to speak.

  • Sept. 10, 2012, 7:29 a.m. CST

    @ patrickstewartsaweverything

    by Fi

    Bother yes, my apologies. I suddenly remembered the baby t-rexes when I was in the shower last night.

  • Sept. 10, 2012, 7:38 a.m. CST

    I think the Doc saved Oswin.

    by Smashing

    He is very good with teleports. DOAS was one of the funnest and linear, for him, episodes that Moff has given us. It was insanely cool, funny, heart warming and I just loved it. Hats off to all concerned, season 7 off to the strongest start of all seasons so far.

  • Sept. 10, 2012, 7:42 a.m. CST

    Weird thought...

    by Smashing

    With Amy studying Nefertiti at school could the doc still be in the Pandorica? his escape was insanely easy...?

  • Sept. 10, 2012, 7:44 a.m. CST

    My theory on the other surprise...

    by Smashing

    Soloman is Davros before he becomes Davros, I couldn't shake this thought.

  • Sept. 10, 2012, 8:05 a.m. CST

    that is what I thought

    by emeraldboy

    about solomon. so the dr burned solomon alive. and the spaceship floats in space. and solomon ends up on what he thinks is the abandoned planet of kaleed. solomon says to the dr oh but I need you so much more.... great performance by david bradley. oily, odious and repugnant.

  • Sept. 10, 2012, 8:06 a.m. CST

    if the dr is still in the pandorica...

    by emeraldboy

    then is the dr being controlled. and where is the blue bow tie dr?

  • Sept. 10, 2012, 8:14 a.m. CST


    by Kathryn Gail

    . . .hoping my correction didn't feel like yelling, I balk at actually adding smiley faces but get a bit wound up about dinosaurs! Here's to everyone getting through the week without being fired for excessive dinosaur-figure play! "You've been warned about the roaring. . . "

  • Sept. 10, 2012, 8:19 a.m. CST

    great assortment of JLC theories, but. . .

    by Kathryn Gail

    . . .I'm not counting anything about her character's/characters' name(s) as clues that are 100% red-herring-free; she renamed everyone for fun and explained it's just a thing she does.

  • Sept. 10, 2012, 8:49 a.m. CST

    but Big Finish did Davros' childhood. . .

    by Kathryn Gail

    . . .so he's unlikely to be Solomon. (I freely admit to having looked this up just now rather than having remembered it!)

  • I think we are onto something here, I bet there is a Dalek moment in each episode.

  • Sept. 10, 2012, 9:05 a.m. CST

    What was the point of Nefertiti and the big game hunter guy?

    by Royston Lodge

    They added very little to the story.

  • Sept. 10, 2012, 9:14 a.m. CST

    town called Mercy features

    by emeraldboy

    blue bow tie dr. dinosaur on a spaceship featured red bow tie dr. I cant recall which bow tie dr it was in asylum of the dr.

  • Sept. 10, 2012, 9:16 a.m. CST

    asylum of the daleks

    by emeraldboy

    it was blue bow tie dr.

  • Sept. 10, 2012, 9:44 a.m. CST

    Gonna nip this Davros thing in the bud right here...

    by obijuanmartinez

    The Kaleds / Thals did not have space travel in "Genesis of the Daleks" - They had been at war +1,000 years, and their respective cultures were devolving (apparently with the exception of Davros & the Kaled Elite Science Corps) There is "0" chance Solomon is Davros. In Genesis of the Daleks, note this dialogue: Doctor: ”My friend and I are not from your planet.” Nyder: ”Aliens?” Harry: ”Humans. Well I am, anyway.” Nyder: ”I’ve heard Davros say there’s no intelligent life on other planets. So either he is wrong or you are lying.” Doctor: ”We are not lying.” Nyder: ”And Davros is never wrong about anything.” Doctor: “Then he must be exceptional, even I am occasionally wrong about some things. Who is this Davros?” Nyder: ”Our greatest scientist! He’s in charge of all research at the bunker.”

  • Sept. 10, 2012, 10:04 a.m. CST

    mavalcar - that article

    by DoctorTom

    nothing really beyond guesses, and some of them seem stretching it even further. Oswin is River Song because River fancied a girl named Nina? I suppose that also makes her Madame Vastra because Vastra fancies a girl named Jenny? I don't see Moffat going that route with her. The other possible speculations aren't anything that we haven't speculated here. I'd actually be amused if Oswin turns out to be the same Oswin, still stuck in the Dalek housing, given a perception filter. I don't think it will go that way, though. Maybe they'll eventually give us a Dalek companion - it could be the previously unmentioned 5th member of the Cult of Skaro, Dalek Kevin, or something like that. (Heck, if most things about the Beatles don't mention Pete Best, then it's certainly possible that there's a Dalek who was a member of the cult previously).

  • Sept. 10, 2012, 10:04 a.m. CST

    Love me a bowtie HAT

    by veteran_of_mu

    @emeraldboy, If you're really into the bowties, riddle the hyperfocused notes on blue and red in the ganger episodes at Aw, heck, I'll save you some trouble. Here's the omnibus edition: On red and blue ties I thought to review that scene in the Rebel Flesh where everyone passes out. The blue-tie Doctor walks into the monastery saying, "I think we're here. This is it." Rory responds, "Doctor, what are you talking about, we've never been here before". The Doc makes it quite clear he's there on purpose. He demands to see the flesh tank. His first words on seeing it, before sonicing it or anything else, are, "And there you are." Clearly this Doc is already aware of the GangerDoc. In response to "And everything's identical, eyes, voice -" he says, "- mind, soul ...". After scanning the Flesh he touches it with his hand. He appears to be in some kind of rapport and finishes with, "Yeah, I understand." After giving some speeches about a second solar storm he pulls his snow-ball out of his pocket and says, worriedly, "He's coming". Could be "It's coming" but I'm pretty certain it's "He's coming". Shortly after there's the "Ha ha, only serious" line, "I've got to get to that cockerel before all hell breaks loose ... I never thought I'd get to say that again." The last line the blue tie doctor says in this scene is "Amy, breathe." The TARDIS does its sink into the acid here. A Doctor dashes out into a sepia-toned outdoor shot but not so sepia that you can't see this is now the *RED* tie Doctor. Red Doc futzes with the circuit breakers and is knocked out. When he wakes up he's still in a Red tie. Scene switches to the Doctor encountering Cleaves. This is the Blue tie Doc again. He asks her how long they've been out. "I hazard we've been out a teensy bit longer ... an hour. I've seen whole worlds turn inside out in an hour. A lot can go wrong in an hour". He knows it was an hour because he's not the Doc that was knocked out. Blue tie Doc has had an hour to himself while Red tie Doc was knocked out. Remember that. It's important. After the blue tie Doctor tests Flesh Cleaves pain response he tells her, "Trust me. I'm the Doctor". But he says it as if it's news to him. Then, "Oh good, you remember. This is only Flesh. The early stages of the technology. So much to learn." Yes, that's non-sequitur. But it really is what he says to her. Or to someone. She responds, "We are living." Not "I am living." It seems quite clear that the Flesh, at least in their half-formed state, are all a single creature - so the blue-tie Doc is talking to himself in there too. A very serious blue tie Doc spends some time checking Amy out. Clearly he knows she's a ganger. He runs up stairs out of sight. Then we see a very animated Doc running around with Amy. He complains about the dangerous acid leaks and says he's going back for the TARDIS. He wants Amy to wait for him in the dining hall. Off he goes looking very duplicitous (pun sem-intentional) and then - suddenly there's our serious blue-tie Doc standing there. Very serious indeed. He asks for the exit. Being told he'd never get his vehicle in here he says, "I'm a great parker". Implying his TARDIS has been parked for a long time? Rory confronts GangerJen. She says, "I remember everything she's ever felt and more". An apparently dodgy Doc (tie looks blue ...) runs into the Flesh room and discharges the Sonic into the flesh vat. Then runs out again. The Flesh forms a pair of lips and says, "Trust Me". An apparently serious Doc runs outside to see the TARDIS roof-deep in acid. Someone, possibly not the Doc says, "What are you doing down there?". Then his shoes melt. Rest of the episode seems to play straight ... ---- The initial GangerDoc runs through a bunch of the Doc's incarnations before screaming, Why, Why, Why? Our Doc says, Why What? Then the initial GangerDoc remembers the original Cybermen: Cybermats. Created by the Cybermen. They kill by feeding off brain waves. And also jelly babies, of course. GangerJen talks about remembering her earlier incarnations. The eyes are always the last to melt. And in those eyes there's always a question. Why? Why should we suffer for the sake of human beings? - is this GangerDoc's Why-Why-Why? Later the 2 Docs seem to be having a great time together putting the power back on and finishing each others' sentences. Just after they get the job done seems a THIRD Doc runs in from a different direction. This one looks troubled, not triumphant. When Kovarian appears he complains, It's in my head! Funny how you take lines like that in stride when you're not watching critically ... That Doc runs outside. Amy tells him about seeing his death. Recall that later on we're told this is actually The Doc, not the GangerDoc. Nevertheless this Doc repeats, Why? then grabs Amy and throws her against a wall. Why? That's all the eyes say. I can feel them as they work each day knowing the time was coming for them to be thrown away again. Not again, please. And then they are destroyed and they feel death and all they can say is, Why? It's pretty plain this guy is GangerDoc. And it's pretty plain the people he's talking about are not the acid-mine workers, but his own incarnations. Which means the technology he talked about remembering in tRF, Only the Flesh, is the technology of his own body. What we are watching is a really gigantic RetCon. Moffatt is making humanity the precursors of the Time Lords. Then Amy runs back into tell the other Doc to keep that Doc away from her. But just as she runs in the other Doc is saying, Why? Angry Doc runs in. Did you sense it? Briefly, not as strong as you. These two are clearly connected telepathically. Angry Doc is asking about whatever it was that was in my head. Angry Doc is sent with Buzzer in search of Rory. He gets thrown a sonic by Other Doc. He finds the real Jen just as she dies. Buzzer knocks him out. When he comes to the Gangers recognise him as a ganger. He says to call him John Smith. There's an odd scene where the Doc, Amy and humans are running down a corridor. The Doc turns back as if he see someone behind him, then runs. Rory and GangerJen trap the humans and Other Doc in the acid chamber. Other Doc pulls out HIS Sonic and declares the chamber is about to fill with acid. That's right, no mistake, there are officially TWO Sonics in play at this point. Also there's at least two GangerCleaveses - one with Rory and GangerJen, one with the GangerDoc. It's anyone's guess which Doc is which at the end. It seems pretty unlikely that they swapped shoes to learn about the Flesh through Amy's eyes. In any case one Doc says, Well, my death arrives I suppose. Second says, But this one we're not invited to. First says, What? Second says, Nothing and throws the first his Sonic. Which, if there are only the two of them there, would mean the Doc who is left behind now has BOTH Sonics. Not bloody likely. So this pretty much proves there are at least 3 Doctors in this episode. The one left behind seems pretty certain that he is Flesh. Second Doc tells him that he may survive pretty much as if he knows that he will survive ... in fact, the subtext seems to be that the Doc that leaves is the GangerDoc that did survive. At least, as far as I can see, both of them are wearing red ties. That's a beautiful word. Shenanigans.

  • Sept. 10, 2012, 10:30 a.m. CST

    One other passing thought on the Doctor's killing

    by DoctorTom

    The problem might have been that the killing of Solomon seemed too casual, not that the Doctor's caused the deaths of people. In Day of the Moon, he engineered what could have been the genocide of a species by sending out the broadcasts for humans to by hypnotized by the Silents to kill Silents on sight. (We don't know that the Silents aren't a species but are a religious order until later. He also didn't know of them having the timeship, or really, any means of getting offworld, when he set up that broadcast.) There, though, it got glossed over as being an insurgency as part of an occupation.He could have saved Solomon and turned him over to some authorities somewhere, so the killing comes off as more callous. I still won't be surprised if the Dalek nanocloud doesn't play into this somewhat. It might also be that the prophecies about the Doctor's fall in AGMGTW weren't dealing with only that episode, and River's warning about what Doctor might come to mean are still appropriate.

  • Sept. 10, 2012, 10:41 a.m. CST

    Re: What was the point of Nefertiti and the big game hunter guy?

    by ProfWimsey

    Sure they did: they were foils for the dynamic development of Amy. She took the role of the Doctor, with those two taking the role of companions. The Doctor is basically Peter Pan to Amy & Rory's Wendy, and even more so: they've gone from him being the "Man" to him being the goofy son. They seem to be "aging" them out of the show. (The characters are supposed to be a decade older than when the Doctor first met them at this point.)

  • Sept. 10, 2012, 10:45 a.m. CST

    Also, good jobs on the dinos....

    by ProfWimsey

    They almost certainly used the BBC's "Walking With Dinosaurs" and "World of Dinosaurs" CGI for the dinosaurs. The ankylosaurs and raptors in particular were very well done: I loved the feathers on the raptors! The tyrannosaur also should have been feathered; however, it was only in the last year that they found an adult tyrannosaurid with feathers, so I'll let them slide. I wanted to cry when the Triceratops got offed.... :=-(

  • Sept. 10, 2012, 10:49 a.m. CST

    River's warning was 200 years ago!

    by ProfWimsey

    I suspect that the Doctor did what he needed to do to alter that possible future during is 200 year absence. I doubt that we will hear anything about the nanocloud again. The implication was that getting off of the planet would be sufficient to stop their damage.

  • Sept. 10, 2012, 11:04 a.m. CST


    by ByTor

    OK, finally watched it last night. Not a ton of substance to it, but it was enjoyable for what it was: a fun adventure tale. The CGI was especially impressive. I do think the Nefertiti and big game hunter were silly inclusions, but aside from them it was a pretty strong effort from Chibnall. From a direction standpoint, however, the back-to-back fight with Amy and the big game hunter was awful. There's no reason whatsoever for them to keep spinning back and forth. It just looked stupid. But aside from that, it was fun and I had a great time watching. Looking forward to ATCM!

  • Sept. 10, 2012, 11:10 a.m. CST

    @bytor: You summed up my feelings exactly - Nice. Not thrilling...but nice

    by obijuanmartinez

  • Sept. 10, 2012, 12:18 p.m. CST

    caractacuspotts -how did Holmes beat the cabbie?

    by glenn_the_frog

    I missed them giving away the answer in the second season... a year later and haven't rewatched the eps since they aired. What was the cabbie's tell?

  • Sept. 10, 2012, 12:23 p.m. CST

    pffft if I re-post and am still wrong. . .

    by Kathryn Gail

    grr, just posted a thing that even after 20 min did not appear, so I'll repost and if I'm wrong AND it later appears twice. . . everyone please enjoy this invitation to mockery!

  • Is that the nod to old-series fans Merrick/MOV were discussing waaay up-thread? Or has this already been mentioned 2063596752907 times while I sit here going ahrrrrhrrr whatever could it be and not actually reading everyone's posts at work? ("But my lost original of this post was so much wittier!" That's what they all say. . . ) (Seriously, I watched 3 times over and was going, "what? WHAT? Just that there are Silurians? Is that the nod???")

  • The Doctor is being erased from history.

  • Sept. 10, 2012, 1:11 p.m. CST

    Re: What was the point of Nefertiti and the big game hunter guy?

    by jon pertwee

    he w.anted a gang. even said so as they entered the spaceship

  • Sept. 10, 2012, 1:17 p.m. CST

    re: Canadian Sci-Fi

    by jon pertwee

    Lexx was a canadian production. well, jointly with some germans. but it was an enjoyable sic-fi romp.

  • Sept. 10, 2012, 1:25 p.m. CST

    @elwagnero - cold-blooded Sirlurians

    by Dreamfasting

    Perhaps dinosaurs *were* cold-blooded, but the Doctor accidentally changed the couse of evolution. The scientific understanding of them didn't advance, we just rationalized a fleeting awareness of the timeline changing :) When the Doctor encounters Silurians (who really seem to get the short end of the stick every time they encounter humans) and dinosaurs, we're not seeing historical inaccuracies, we're just seeing things from different timelines.

  • I hope they don't retcon the Draconians as being another homo reptilia offshoot that left Earth on a different Ark.

  • Sept. 10, 2012, 1:36 p.m. CST

    I hope Amy doesn't give birth to Oswin...

    by squirtloaf

    ...just sayin'. She didn't have the wristy-thingie for quite a while...and all those nanobots flying around...getting in all the nooks and crannies. ...And her net being able to make babies being a big plot point...

  • This. Will. Be. The. Biggest. Property. Ever.

  • Sept. 10, 2012, 1:38 p.m. CST

    patrickstewartsaweverything - there's nods to a few old stories

    by DoctorTom

    The Ark in Space would be the Silurians in cryostorage, but long before that there was the Ark with the first Doctor, which also had animals in habitats on the Ark. The Silurians are another nod to the old series, although they hadn't shown any space travel capability in the past.

  • Sept. 10, 2012, 1:41 p.m. CST

    squirtloaf - maybe in David Yates' fevered imaginings

    by DoctorTom

    But, then again, it's been denied that he's going to get to do the Doctor Who movie he's been yammering on about.

  • Sept. 10, 2012, 1:44 p.m. CST

    You want Canadian Sci-Fi? Nothing beats The Starlost!

    by Royston Lodge

    Starring Keir Dullea!

  • Sept. 10, 2012, 1:46 p.m. CST

    Hmm, the ship in The Starlost was called 'The Ark'.

    by Royston Lodge


  • Sept. 10, 2012, 2:10 p.m. CST

    Coincidence? Um...

    by ByTor

    You do realize that all of these 'Ark' ships are called such because of the Bible story, right? It's such an archtype that it can hardly be said to be a nod or shout-out to much of anything.

  • Sept. 10, 2012, 2:14 p.m. CST

    Nails on chalkboard moment

    by Dreamfasting

    I enjoyed the episode - it had that feeling of a story that comes from someone walked up to a writer's desk, dumped out a bucket of spare parts and said "ha! make something of that!" The Doctor was a little more direct than usual in dishing out karma, but it feels a little more honest writing it this way than constantly having villians fall prey to some lethal accident the Doctor wanted to prevent but couldn't. However ... a spaceship the size of Canada (a little more frightening than a hole the size of Belgium) is an enormous thing. When the commander of the earth defences says "the ship's coming through the atmosphere", I winced. The atmosphere is ~100km thick. Present-day Canada is over 9000km wide (almost 3 times the diamater of the moon - to walk in a straight across Canada is only slightly shorter than walking around the entire equator of the moon). Even if the spaceship the size of Canada lands, the vast majority of it will still be *in space* (assuming it can structurally survive sitting on the planet).

  • Sept. 10, 2012, 2:14 p.m. CST

    Yeah, but the one in the Bible wasn't "as big as Canada"!!!

    by Royston Lodge

    You do realize I'm being facetious, right?

  • Sept. 10, 2012, 2:18 p.m. CST

    royston lodge - quite a lot beats the Starlost

    by DoctorTom

    just ask Harlan Ellison/Cordwainer Bird (who had his original pilot script perverted for the show) and Ben Bova (the science advisor they ignored). Bova went on to (slightly) fictionalize his experience and wrote it up as The Starcrossed. Ellison has recounted about how producers wanted them to find the bridge in the first episode, which would have brought an ending to the series right then. Except that the producers thought that the protagonists would still need to find the backup bridge because you would need the backup bridge in order to make the ship back up......

  • Like "I'm so hungry I could eat a horse".

  • Sept. 10, 2012, 2:27 p.m. CST


    by ByTor

    Sorry about'd be surprise the tenuous crap that fanboys can argue! ;) I think I spent way too much time on r.a.dw and og/gb/whatever it's called these days.

  • Sept. 10, 2012, 2:29 p.m. CST

    I think Classic Who's "EXTERMINATE" was scarier.....

    by Matches_Malone

    In the Baker era anyway. Back then rather than just a laser beam the colours on the screen would invert, giving the feeling that no matter how much you ran or ducked and dived, if you were in near vicinity you were pretty much fucked. Now it just seems as long as you don't stand still and run around like a madman (like Rory did in AotD) You can hop through the lasers without too much effort. The word "exterminate" used to be terrifying because it was a death sentence. Now it's just a signal for people to run........ Don't get me wrong, loved the last two eps, and I think the Daleks are the closer to unstoppable death machines than they have been for a long time. I also love the fact in the last two Dalek story's the Doctor hasn't really defeated them. In Victory of the Daleks they got away to spread there IDalek seed, and in Asylum It was the Doctor running away.......They may have forgotten him, but they are all still there, thousands and thousands of them.......

  • Sept. 10, 2012, 2:37 p.m. CST

    @royston lodge - exaggeration

    by Dreamfasting

    Perhaps (also, technically if you are comparing the surface areas, it doesn't tell you anything about the volume - if you fold a thin surface enough you can put it inside any arbitarily small volume) However, whatever the exaggerations, it is portrayed as a respectably large ship and by the time something large moving through space reaches the atmosphere, it's already too late to avoid a catacylsm of some sort, if only from falling debris (asteroid-impact movies tend to always make this mistake and once you introduce dinosaurs into the plotline, that's where my imagination is going).

  • Sept. 10, 2012, 2:44 p.m. CST

    @bytor (arks)

    by Kathryn Gail

    Well of course it's no shout-out as a concept; it's just that when someone asks about the show and you say 'well it's basically an ark, in sp-- oh! ARK IN SPACE, that's an old title!" it feels like a little wordplay easter egg that's not even digital, which is no mean feat these days!

  • Sept. 10, 2012, 3:01 p.m. CST

    so strange -


    to read a DocBack and understand everything that everyone is talking about. I like this.

  • Sept. 10, 2012, 4:02 p.m. CST

    Dot Matrix

    by rbottoms


  • Sept. 10, 2012, 4:13 p.m. CST


    by rbottoms

    Have none of you seen Star Trek the Wrath of Khan???

  • Sept. 10, 2012, 4:13 p.m. CST


    by ByTor

    Nice login name, btw. I picture you as drawn by either Irv Novick or Jim Aparo. Maybe it's a result of when I discovered Who (as a teenager), but the classic exterminate never really hit me like that. I do get what you're saying, but then again, in the classic series all it took to defeat a Dalek was a hat.

  • or even give Nessie a bit of a cgi upgrade for Terror of the Zygons. Unfortunately, they won't put the money down (yet).

  • Sept. 10, 2012, 4:14 p.m. CST

    DEERSTALKER #1 - Child's Play

    by veteran_of_mu

    @Glen, this is from back in March: In ~Scandal in Belgravia~ Holmes remarks, ~On hearing a smoke alarm, a mother would look towards her child.~ So in SIP he played the Cabbie the same way. He's doesn't look for clues. He generates them by probing: ~I am playing. This is my turn. [...] You didn't just kill four people because you're bitter. Bitterness is a paralytic. Love is a much more vicious motivator. Somehow, this is about your children.~ To which the cabbie responds, maudlin, ~When I die they won't get much, my kids.~ And in that moment of focusing on his children and his mortality the cabbie looks to the pill bottle on his left. That's his connection to his kids in there. That's the life bottle. Watch Sherlock's eyes. He just talked to the cabbie; and now the cabbie's going to kill himself. Then there's the misdirection about the gun. And then, ~Just before you go, did you figure it out? Which one's the good bottle?~ Sherlock: ~Course. Child's play.~ And takes the bottle that sits to the Cabbie's left. ---- Not that I think he's you-know-who, but later on managed to coax out of MOV that the above is ~Proper Thinking~. And that's good enough for the likes of me.

  • Sept. 10, 2012, 4:14 p.m. CST

    Quick! Someone go back in time and give Harry...

    by ByTor

    A pre-release copy of Timelash. I'd pay real money to read that review... :)

  • Sept. 10, 2012, 4:25 p.m. CST

    Spoilers: Dinasours on Spaceships

    by Lukecash

    Highly entertaining episode! It had a bit more depth to it than just your average fluffy adventure, but it was swell. Now my Thoughts 1) The Ponds actually showed them as veteran Doctor Companions. Rory being like his father, but with different tools. There is the sad subtext of the Doctor and Amy drifting apart or rather, they are outgrowing him. 2)The Doctor killing is NOT unusual. Solomon was portrayed as the worse kind of scum: He killed the dino. He killed hundreds of thousands of Sularians that were on the ship. He was going to break Nefertiti in obviously horrible ways. ...and he was doing it all for profit. Matt Smith Who character did it to the Vampires of Venice. He did it to the evil asteroid that tried to take over the TARIDS. Hell, he blew up a whole bunch of Cybermen rescuing Amy. When the Doctor kills, he does so not because he enjoys it, it's because what he kills cannot be allowed to live to hurt others.

  • Sept. 10, 2012, 4:26 p.m. CST


    by GeptaOO1

    it seems to me you have an excellent eye for detail.... are you a writer, or have you considered being a writer?

  • Sept. 10, 2012, 4:41 p.m. CST

    doctortom: updating oldies

    by ByTor

    No way. We've seen some very low-budget CGI upgrades on a few (e.g. Invasion of Time), but it's VERY low-budget CGI. Unfortunately the revenues from the DVD releases would never pay for proper CGI updates. It's a shame, because I think a Doctor Who-equivalent to the Star Trek TOS remastered discs would be pretty darned cool.

  • Sept. 10, 2012, 4:44 p.m. CST


    by veteran_of_mu

    Just a humble inventor. I'm sure you've seen some of my work. Flying cars, whistlepops, that sort of thing, nothing fancy.

  • Sept. 10, 2012, 4:52 p.m. CST

    @headgeek - one of us! one of us!

    by Dreamfasting

    It must be strange to be living on the bleeding edge of cool geeky lore and then see this subculture invade your website and take it somewhere outside of your experience :) (I hope you enjoyed the ride)

  • Sept. 10, 2012, 5:14 p.m. CST

    Harry! welcome to the party!

    by notspock2

  • Sept. 10, 2012, 5:39 p.m. CST

    Nod to Classic Who

    by paineywoo

    I may be wrong - but I think the MOV mentioned nod to classic who may have been the Doctor's line "I'm a sagittarius...probably". Echoing, Tom Baker's City of Death line "You're a beautiful woman...probably". Anyway, since people of are harking back over the last few series looking for clues - here's something I picked up on and then it vanished: The first few episodes of Series 5 mentioned "The Doctor in the Tardis". This wasn't resolved was it?

  • Sept. 10, 2012, 5:55 p.m. CST


    by Kathryn Gail

    Oh--The Ark! I haven't seen nearly as many Hartnell or Troughton stories as I sometimes feel I have when talking to more recent converts, and that is indeed one I have not seen (but shall forthwith if possible).


  • Sept. 10, 2012, 6:24 p.m. CST


    by GeptaOO1

    Thank You for that link! i'd never heard of that group or that song before.... totally AWESOME!!!!!!

  • Sept. 10, 2012, 6:36 p.m. CST

    So, come on Harry.... fill us in....

    by Seph_J did you start? Where are you at? Did you go classic? Give us the info!

  • Sept. 10, 2012, 6:58 p.m. CST

    Amy theory. Please weigh in.

    by david

    She made two comments about being a queen. The second time she kind of laughed it off but the first time it sounded serious. (I think the second mention might have been a little sleight of hand) So here is the theroy. Maybe quarter-assed at best: Amy has Dalek DNA, whatever was done to her at Demon's Run - and whatever else has happened to her - running around in her system. She is definitely changing and evolving somehow (see how she handled herself in that control room when they were split up from the Doctor). She is the first of something. She is going to become something new and dangerous. The Doctor might even have to stop / kill her. That's my wild guess. Amy is going to have to be stopped and maybe the Doctor is staying away because he is hoping that she remains harmless and/or putting off the inevitable moment when he has to step in. Thoughts? Comments? A very dark twist... but then look at the slow move into darker themes since Moff took over.

  • Sept. 10, 2012, 8:34 p.m. CST

    The Doctor has chosen to kill plenty of times...

    by Stegman84

    Just off the top of my head: Jon Pertwee's Doctor shot an Ogron dead in Day of the Daleks, Tom Baker's Doctor built and then used a gun to personally hunt down and kill the Sontarans in The Invasion of Time, and Colin Baker's Doctor shot the Cyber Controller dead in Attack of the Cybermen, and killed Shockeye with cyanide in The Two Doctors. Peter Davison's Doctor stood there and let The Master burn to death in Planet of Fire, rather than save him (which was, at the time, meant to be a permanent end to the character), while Sylvester McCoy's Doctor actively arranged for the planet Skaro to be destroyed in Remembrance of the Daleks. Paul McGann's Doctor is supposed to have killed off both The Daleks and The Time Lords during the Time War, while Christopher Eccleston's Doctor simply stood there and watched as Cassandra begged for mercy, letting her dry out and explode in The End of the World, and all he wanted to do was kill when confronted with a Dalek in the episode of the same name, and was only stopped from doing so by Rose. David Tennant's Doctor showed no mercy to the Racnoss Queen or her children in The Runaway Bride, and he famously gave no second chances to the Sycorax leader in The Christmas Invasion, while he gave the Family of Blood a fate worse than death. Patrick Troughton's Doctor wasn't adverse to killing Ice Warriors, or sabotaging space craft to explode (such as in The Dominators) either. And that's not even counting the endless amount of Daleks, Cybermen and other baddies each Doctor has arranged the death of, both directly and indirectly. Plus how many other times have we seen a Doctor about to take some form of vengeance only to be stopped from doing so by a companion? The Doctor has always had a darker side, that, when pushed, would often reveal itself. So Matt Smith's Doctor deciding such a fate for the genocidal Solomon was nothing particularly new, just an aspect of the character that hasn't been seen for a while. At least in my view anyhow.

  • Sept. 10, 2012, 9:13 p.m. CST

    obijuanmartinez - that was the first cassette I ever purchased

    by sunspot_mike

    I must've listened to it 1000 times. I always liked music, but once I found out you could combine your love of something like Doctor Who with songs, well that kinda changed my life. I still have the cassette tape somewhere. The b-side is a remix with some stuff about Gary Glitter, so it makes the whole thing kind of creepy now that we know he's a pedophile. In other news, The Moff deleted his Twitter account. That was one thing I always thought was awesome about him, I mean, he'd event post on Gallifrey Base sometimes. RTD called us Internet Whovians "ming-mongs" and said he never read any of it. But Moffatt was more responsive and I thought it was going to make for a different kind of relationship between showrunner and fan. Trolls once again show why we can't have nice things.



  • Sept. 11, 2012, 12:10 a.m. CST

    Been a while since I was part of one of these

    by clupula

    Howdy from Brooklyn, all. Anyway, I was really impressed by how expressive the dinosaurs were. I found the episode itself just okay, but something about how animal-like they were was really nice. As for the Doctor killing, he has shown when you screw with the people he cares about, he can sometimes lose control. So, in general, I liked the episode a lot more than Asylum of the Daleks, which I found seriously lacking in tension. I think a big part of that is, yes, that the Daleks are no longer a threat, but also that for an entire planet filled with mad Daleks, we only saw like a dozen, and they were all dispatched rather easily. I agree that a serious Dalek victory is needed for them to become a threat again. In fact, I'd go so far as to say that they need to kill someone really important in order to become a threat. They need to kill a beloved companion or even cause the Doctor to regenerate in order for us to start to care about them again. My first exposure to them was in the 9th Doctor episode, Dalek (which was actually the first episode I saw) and I understood, after seeing that one, why they were a big deal. If I had seen Victory of the Daleks or *shudder* Daleks in Manhattan, I would have seen them as jokes.

  • Sept. 11, 2012, 4:43 a.m. CST

    Reboot! I almost forgot about Reboot

    by tangcameo

    And the best episode was the one with Gillian Anderson. Never quite liked the show after it went dark. Always seemed a smarter show during the first season.

  • Sept. 11, 2012, 8:17 a.m. CST

    KLF and "Doctorin' the TARDIS" (1988)

    by Kathryn Gail

    Wow, I haven't stopped to think about that one since *I* was a dinosaur on a spaceship. Given how quickly BBCish things get pulled from youtube and all the litigation over models of blue police boxes (in that they also appear as features of a historically accurate miniature landscapes, for example), I was amazed to check Amazon for KLF and discover you can still buy that song. Right right, of course, it's meant as parody and came out when DW wasn't all that valuable, but still--!

  • Sept. 11, 2012, 8:54 a.m. CST

    Paineywoo - The Doctor In the TARDIS

    by DoctorTom

    Moffat likes that phrase. There actually was a resolution, because the whole bit was The Doctor in the TARDIS doesn't know - it was referring to the TARDIS blowing up and causing the cracks in the universe. We'll probably keep seeing the Doctor in the TARDIS phrase pop up now and then, though probably not as often now as we'll get Doctor Who?

  • Sept. 11, 2012, 9:04 a.m. CST

    asiandawn - Queen Amy

    by DoctorTom

    I don't think she has any Dalek DNA running around in her. Remember, they say that the mental changes would come before physical changes, and they didn't get far enough to subtract the love from her. She's more Queen of her household, coming from a self-centered attitude. She's always had that attitude, going back to The Eleventh Hour (think particularly of her when she stuck the Doctor's tie in that guy's car door, and her basically dismissing the serf when he commented he'd need his car later). She's always shown to have some skills that we'd wonder about (suddenly she's handy at picking locks in The Beast Below, in the Silurian 2 parter she can pick a Silurian's pocket even while her arm is restrained). She's been around the Doctor a lot and picked up a few computer-thumping skills from him, though the bit with the Silurian computers in DoaS is probably more to script laziness/ wanting to dramatically get things so that her group knows what's going on than any new superpowers of Amy's. If that exposure to the Dalek nanocloud did this to Amy, it's probably done more to the Doctor since he was exposed too. I think we'll see the Doctor getting darker more than Amy getting darker. I don't think the Doctor's going to have to stop Amy, I think the Doctor knows that there's something coming ahead for Amy that he's wanting to put off as long as he can.

  • Sept. 11, 2012, 9:43 a.m. CST

    Another Doctor Who crossover that won't happen, but should

    by DoctorTom

    Doctor Who/ Cerebus - I'd think set it in the time of High Society. IDW would have to work out something with Dave Sim, but I'd love to see Sim drawing the Doctor. Maybe you could entice Tony Lee back to help write it. I could see them having fun with some Doctor Who monster type popping up - Elrod the Albino communicating with a Judoon (if they sampled him for translation, would all the Judoon sound like they're talking like Foghorn Leghorn?). Lord Julius (essentially Groucho Marx) and the Doctor having conversations alone would be worth the price of admission. The Cerebus High Society Kickstarter suddenly made me think of this crossover. Really, for a crossover like this I think the Doctors that would fit the best would be Matt Smith or Tom Baker..

  • Sept. 11, 2012, 10:20 a.m. CST

    caractacuspotts- excellent observation!

    by glenn_the_frog

    Thank you, that does in fact, feel like a fair and legitimate solution. I'll have to keep an eye out for that next tiem I watch Sherlock... probably before season 3 begins.

  • Sept. 11, 2012, 10:25 a.m. CST

    Harry Who?

    by veteran_of_mu

    The Inspector Spacetime / Get Smart / DW / AICN crossover is online at Or something. Perhaps 2 smokers and 48 non-smokers.

  • Sept. 11, 2012, 10:27 a.m. CST


    by david

    You obviously know the show better than I do but the points you made all feel like they were used as sleight of hand in the show. Mental changes before physical: She got awfully smart all of a sudden... but then its covered up by her remarking that she's been around the Doc and seen a few things, as you were suggesting. Queen of her household: Exactly what she says the second time it comes up, with a nervous smile. But the first time she says it as if it might be important, or as if there's more to it than a throwaway remark about what a cow she can be (lovely cow mind you, but there you go;) I don't know Who very well so I can't put up my hand and say I've got the right theory. But the stuff you mentioned all felt like it was put there to throw us off the scent. Like they wanted to quickly remind you why these little details are nothing special... move along, nothing to see here. It's just a hunch I have. I'm sure the truth will be far better and weirder. What's your theory by the way? What do you think the end game for the Ponds is?

  • Sept. 11, 2012, 10:45 a.m. CST

    Asian Dawn - my theory for the end game for the Ponds

    by DoctorTom

    The Weeping Angels send Amy and Rory into the past. possibly to 1970 New York. The Angels episode does take place in New York, so they might just be in the same city when they get tossed back. They get older, and actually do end up raising Melanie/Mels We never did find out who raised Mels, and what happened with her between regenerating in New York in 1970 and the flashes we see of Mels with the Ponds. This might be where we find out. This will mean Amy and Rory will be old when the Doctor catches back up with them present time; maybe we see one of the Ponds pass away due to conditions related to old age. They might use this tossing them back in time to come up with an explanation for why there was a badge with Rory with the year 1990 on it in The Eleventh Hour.

  • Sept. 11, 2012, 10:51 a.m. CST

    I'm glad we're getting Rory's dad back in The Power of Three

    by DoctorTom

    Just the little exposure we had here made me feel like I did after seeing Wilf in Partners in Crime.

  • Sept. 11, 2012, 11:05 a.m. CST

    doctortom-excellent theory

    by glenn_the_frog

    and it fits in with all the pieces we currently have. But does that mean the Rory in the first episode of season 5 is actually a much much older (2000 year+) Rory who has already been on all the journies and knows how its all going to go... and then at some point he switches off with a younger Rory? Would shed a different light on him not being at all impressed with the Tardis being bigger on the inside. Though the question then would be *where* the switch off is.

  • Sept. 11, 2012, 11:31 a.m. CST

    question about the postcards....

    by GeptaOO1

  • Sept. 11, 2012, 11:32 a.m. CST

    Question abou the postcards attempt 2

    by GeptaOO1

    Did Rory's go traveling with the Doctor?

  • Sept. 11, 2012, 11:50 a.m. CST

    Great, now I have the Doctor Who theme stuck in my head.

    by Royston Lodge

    I'm getting no work done today, methinks.

  • Sept. 11, 2012, 11:53 a.m. CST

    There's no reason The Master couldn't escape the time lock.

    by Royston Lodge

    Rules are broken. Cracks in time and space do happen. It's all wibbly-wobbly timey-wimey.

  • Sept. 11, 2012, 12:03 p.m. CST

    Question regarding a throw away line...

    by 1TrueGod

    Firstly, I'm not sure I subscribe to the Oswin download theory but the idea of finding the next companion inside the tardis is intriguing. Did anyone catch the question the Doctor asked rory's dad when he first noticed him on the spaceship? Something about how did you get here, thought I didn't notice - who sent you. Was that just the doctor rambling or did the doctor actually notice something that could be answered in a later episode?

  • about Mels knowing that her friends in school are also her parents? Ways around that?

  • Sept. 11, 2012, 12:30 p.m. CST

    RE: Question abou the postcards attempt 2

    by ProfWimsey

    Probably not. I think that the point was that after a brief encounter with the Doctor, the former near shut-in decided to go out and see the world. It serves to emphasize how associating with the Doctor really changes people.

  • Sept. 11, 2012, 12:32 p.m. CST

    Re: Question regarding a throw away line...

    by ProfWimsey

    The Doctor's Question to Rory's dad was not so much a throw away line as it was standard character development: the Doctor is basically the absent-minded man-child professor who is so wrapped up in his questions that he ignores a lot of every-day things that happen all around him.

  • Sept. 11, 2012, 1:42 p.m. CST

    mavalcar - postcards

    by DoctorTom

    I would think he had to be travelling with the Doctor for the Siluria postcard. I think the Doctor would have made sure the Ark got to a planet that would be hospitable to the dinosaurs (instead of just having them all disembark the ship in Belgium or someplace like that...which does raise the question of how the Ark was supposed to get its contents to the ground. This does raise the question of the next time we see Silurians wanting to set up shop on the surface again if the Doctor offers to transport them all to Siluria as an alternative.

  • Sept. 11, 2012, 1:51 p.m. CST


    by DoctorTom

    The older Amy and Rory probably tell her to not mention to the younger versions that her parents are the same people. Or they just don't bother to tell the kid that they're the same people as the younger people. While they're living in Leadworth they probably don't go by Pond or Williams. For all we know they borrow from their daughter and use the name Song, or Rivers. they might go for the latter since having the daughter called Melody Song is just asking for it. Or, they take the last name Dux so that there will actually be Dux around the duck pond...

  • Mr. Prime Minister, S.H.I.E.L.D. called and want their helicarrier back. Do you think that they'll be okay with us telling them that the Daleks destroyed it and we didn't have insurance out on it?

  • Sept. 11, 2012, 1:56 p.m. CST

    doctortom: you are my hero

    by ByTor

    A Cerebus fan too, eh? Yeah, the Doctor and Lord Julius would be pretty incredible. Maybe add in Duke Leonardo and Elrod. It could be like issue 51. Did you get in on the Kickstarter? I just got my signed books, like, Saturday. Sorry to hear about what happened to Sandeep, but I'm still excited about the project.

  • Sept. 11, 2012, 2:29 p.m. CST

    Thx elwagnero for the response.

    by 1TrueGod

  • Sept. 11, 2012, 3:27 p.m. CST


    by DoctorTom

    Yes, I got in on the kickstarter. I haven't gotten my signed books yet, but it should be soon - he's still working through the list. I'm sorry to hear about Sandeep too having the fire. I'm also sorry that Dave Sim's not getting the readership he should - he had to cancel Glamourpuss due to the low sales, even though his artwork is tremendous and the work he was doing on Alex Raymond. I'm glad that he's going to do a Kickstarter down the line to collect that. Just looking at his artwork, though, when he's used thinly veiled analogues of real people (Groucho Marx, Mick Jagger, Ernest Hemingway) and fictional (his take on Elric, Prince Valiant, parodies of popular superheroes at the time using the Roach) makes me think he'd do a perfect illustration of Matt Smith. I could also see him doing Lord Julius as the only person besides the Doctor to be able to talk a Dalek into self destructing. Just based on the Glamourpuss artwork, I'd like to see him do sketches of Amy (or, depending on how far down the line, Oswin). Of course, it might be amusing to have most of the story be Cerebus becoming a companion on the TARDIS - we've had shapeshifting penguins and cybernetic dinosaurs as companions, so a talking aardvark who's a Prime Minister or a Pope (or an ex-Prime Minister and ex-Pope) wouldn't be more outrageous than that. While I'm thinking of IDW doing Doctor Who crossovers, I'd also like to see a crossover between Doctor Who and Torchwood, Gentleman Corpse - they've had Ben Templesmith draw the Doctor before, I could see him doing a crossover at some time. I thought they should have done it during the last Infestation crossover, since Cthulhu type monsters have already been established in Wormwood and Doctor Who.

  • Sept. 11, 2012, 4:14 p.m. CST

    Oh, while we're on the subject, bytor

    by DoctorTom

    Bleeding Cool has just posted some of the drawings that Sim's doing for the Kickstarter. Now picture him doing Amy in her fashion model phase - it would have fit Glamourpuss easily. Amy Pond vs. Zootanapuss, with Bunny having a talk with Rory about what it's like being sidekicks.

  • Sept. 11, 2012, 6 p.m. CST

    Questions that need to be answered about the Ponds.

    by Michael_Jacksons_Ghost

    Question 1 - Why is Amy's house 2 floors on the outside, but 3 floors on the inside? Question 2 - Rory's badge with 1990 on it. Question 3 - The shadow person running in Amy's house in Eleventh Hour. Question 4 - When young Amelia was waiting outside for the doctor the second time, what happened? Question 5 - The burn mark in the grass outside of Amy's house that River saw when she landed the TARDIS there. Goofy Question 1 - Duck Pond, with no ducks? Goofy Question 2 - Rory not phased by the TARDIS interior upon entering it the first time?

  • Sept. 11, 2012, 6:03 p.m. CST

    @1truegod - Good Catch

    by veteran_of_mu

    The Doc is way too aggressive with Brian for a throw-away. While the Doc has thrown a fit in the past finding unexpected folk in the TARDIS - including future companions - he hasn't acted as if they were intentional intruders. He seems to regard Brian as if he were the DreamLord or the GangerDoc or the SilenceVoice or the Master. But he is torqued off as if there'd been something odd happening in the Tardis quite recently. Definitely fodder for HAT #11023.

  • Sept. 11, 2012, 6:13 p.m. CST

    @MJG on the Ducks

    by veteran_of_mu

    It's not a Goofy Question. In Flesh And Stone the Doc himself regards it as evidence that time has been unwritten. In fact he mentions it before he mentions Amy not remembering the Daleks. It's central.

  • Sept. 11, 2012, 7:02 p.m. CST

    Just from those pictures alone

    by GeptaOO1

    i want to read those comics

  • Sept. 11, 2012, 10:26 p.m. CST


    by GeptaOO1

    haven't seen you post this week. i hope you're doing ok! I did get another e-mail form you though :)

  • Sept. 11, 2012, 11:06 p.m. CST

    The shadow person running in Amy's house

    by The Transformed Man

    Moffat said, I believe in the commentary for "The Eleventh Hour", that it was the Doctor. They had meant to set that up to flash back to in "The Big Bang" when he was moving backwards through his timeline, but they realized too late that they had shot him in Tennant's clothes, so they abandoned the notion.

  • Sept. 11, 2012, 11:29 p.m. CST

    hrmmmm; life forms on that Silurian ship

    by Kathryn Gail

    Watched Dinosaurs again, and--that Silurian ship. . . okay, never mind that the schematic showing life forms at launch showed stationary dots over a spinning ship so that a lot of the 'locations' were in space; the main thing is that the density can be perceived in a split second on the first viewing, and I'm fine with the budget going to actual dinosaurs (and pterosaurs). Also, I figure they mean "Silurian life forms" even though Amy just said "life forms," or there aren't really enough for an ark with viable breeding populations of all species. Still. . . At first, I assumed the. . . things on the branches of the ship were ecosystem pods, but they're pretty bashed-up looking and there were no "life forms" at all in them (you'd think at least a few Silurian maintenance folks would be needed), and the wave engine with pterosaurs (or did I mishear this several times in a row) is toward in the middle. So the things on the branches. . . weights to keep the ship spinning smoothly something something made-up wave power technology? Bumpers in case of emergency re-entry after the fashion of some of our real-life exploration vehicles (but it wouldn't make sense blah blah burn on re-entry and anything left would be dashed against walls)? Just there to look cool (Occam's Razor says probably!)? I suppose they have to be ecosystem pods on their last legs, and that life form graphic is just. . . a thing I'm more than willing to suspend my disbelief over if it means more dinosaurs and guest stars, much like the use of irrelevant filler code mentioned up thread. . .

  • Sept. 11, 2012, 11:50 p.m. CST

    20K in the Fires of Pompeii

    by Kathryn Gail

    I'm just watching 10 push the lever on 20 thousand ordinary people and a bunch of Pyroviles for the greater good, so killing one beyond-redemption trafficker in life forms is maybe not such a thing. . . Also: I've had that ca. 1988 earworm for over 12 unrelenting hours now, SCREAM.

  • Sept. 12, 2012, 12:11 a.m. CST

    an expert weighs in on those dinosaurs

    by Kathryn Gail

  • Sept. 12, 2012, 5:26 a.m. CST

    So will Rory's Dad get to meet his middle-aged granddaughter?

    by tangcameo

    That'll make his trip on the TARDIS look like nothing.

  • Sept. 12, 2012, 5:27 a.m. CST

    ...young middle-aged - sorry Alex...

    by tangcameo

  • Sept. 12, 2012, 9:11 a.m. CST

    Possible future threads

    by DoctorTom

    The Doctor's reaction to Brian Pond at the start, and his casual dispatching of Solomon do indicate that he's going darker. This could be part of the fall that had been talked about last season in AGMGTW. But, why is he going darker now? One possibility is that it was the brief exposure to the Dalek nanocloud adding to his anger. It could be just that he's spending longer and longer away from the Ponds and other people who help hold him back. It might not just be the time away from people, though. It could be the Dream Lord - the darker side of the Doctor - trying to assert itself more and become more dominant. Maybe we'll be seeing the Dream Lord again to see a manifestation of this battle. There being no records of the Doctor - there should have been some kind of records about him, even if it had just said deceased. This seems to be leading into the Fields of Trenzalore, given that the question is Doctor Who? - but, what is causing this loss? Amy brought the Doctor back by remembering him, is there something now actively trying to make people forget the Doctor? It's possible that we find out down the line that it's the Doctor himself or Clara/Oswin in the future manipulating things so that records of the Doctor have disappeared. It has the feel, though, of somebody deliberately trying to set things up so that the situation at the Fields of Trenzalore have to happen, unless it's the Silence actually trying to prevent the forthcoming actions at the Fields of Trenzalore in a boneheaded way that will actually backfire on them (it's happened before). If it's someone working against the Silence, then who is it? We circle back to the end of Season 5, where whatever caused the cracks said Silence Will Fall, but sounded different from the Silents. Maybe we find out that the events of Season 5 with the cracks weren't caused by the Order of the Silence but someone/thing else, who actually wants the question asked and wants the Order of the Silence to Fall. We know that the Teselecta was investigating the Order of the Silence, so maybe there are lines being drawn and whoever wants the events to happen is working with or using the Teselecta (and possibly the whole Time Agency) to help push things. Who knows, maybe it's the Doctor manipulating himself all along - either a Doctor stuck outside the cracks, or just an older Doctor trying to make sure that things work out right with his past self so that the web of time doesn't get broken, or maybe the Dream Lord finding ways to manipulate things so he can manifest himself in the flesh in the regular universe.

  • Sept. 12, 2012, 9:18 p.m. CST


    by Kevin Bolinger

    You may be onto something here. Let me add my personal theory to go into this. We will find out that a young Time agent, name as yet unknown, has been erasing the Doctor from history, records wise...This task has taken him two years of his life. As he finishes his task, his memory of this is reased, all two years, and of course it is revealed that the agent is none other than a young Jack Harkness... Now, I add this in because I heard a rumor that they were planning on having Jack in an ep in the second half of this season, but, a young Jack, not John, it makes sense...if the rumors are true, and it would explain why Jack had 2 years of his memory erased, since even he must retain no memory of the Doctor, at least his younger self anyway... :P lol

  • Sept. 13, 2012, 9:26 a.m. CST


    by unclemonty666

  • Sept. 13, 2012, 1:47 p.m. CST

    darthdevious, I LIKE it!

    by DoctorTom

    I doubt that the explanation for Captain Jack's memory loss will be for that, but I'd love for them to do that.

  • The Doctor gave Amy a funny look when she talked about being with the Doctor until her death.... ....if my theory about the Angels throwing Amy and/or Rory back in time, and they get to raise Mels from 1970 on is true.... ...think back to Let's Kill Hitler, and more importantly to the teaser prequel for it where Amy phones the Doctor, worried about how it's taken time for him to find Melody. If I recall, it had been about 100 years for him at that point. He's looking pensive and saddened listening to the phone call. At the time, we thought it was because he hadn't found Melody. They seemed awfully eager to not bother looking for Melody after the incident with Mels, though. I think we were misdirected. What if the problem wasn't that the Doctor couldn't find Melody in history - what if he had found her, sometime between 1970 and 2011, and found at that time a much older Amy (possibly with Rory), from in his timeline's future, had been tossed back in time and was raising Melody. He might even have talked to the future Amy and found out some of this. That's why he had the look in the prequel episode - he had found her, but he can't tell Amy that it's okay, Amy will end up raising her, but she's going to be tossed back in time in order to be able to do it. That means the Doctor's going around now knowing what Amy and Rory's future (in the past) is going to be. He's stretching out the amount of time between visits because he's trying to let them have as much time in the present as he can before their final adventure together when they get tossed back into time. Now, as to why Amy and Rory don't seem more worried by the end of Let's Kill Hitler, that might be just a plot hole, but if my theory's right about the Amy and Rory being thrown into the past is right, and the Doctor knows this before the start of Let's Kill Hitler, there's a way to explain the behavior. The Doctor gets the two of them on the TARDIS, yells out *Oh my, what's that?!?*, pointing off in a direction. Amy and Rory look over there, to see the hologram of the Silent that the Doctor had in Day of the Moon. While they're looking at it, the Doctor tells them *don't worry about finding your daughter, she'll be fine*. Suddenly, they're not worried any more. I don't see that last thing happening, but at least it's one semi-plausible way to explain things if things go like I'm thinking they will.