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The Friday Docback On Wednesday!? Happy 48th Anniversary DOCTOR WHO!! Plus 'Colony In Space,' And A Chance To Win All Matt Smith Eps On Blu!!
Merrick here...
A huge thanks to BBC DVD for both providing these Blu-rays and expediting this opportunity. If all goes well, we hope to be doing things like this more often...
THIS WEEK'S WHOTININNIES PODCAST IS NOW ONLINE!!
This week:
** Not a great deal of love for the new MUPPET movie...
** DOCTOR WHO by way of Cheech & Chong...
** A brief discussion of "Colony in Space"...
** WHO-related product recommendations...
** THE DUKES OF HAZZARD...
...and more!!
Find the new installment HERE! Previous installments are available HERE!
"COLONY IN SPACE" (Story # 58)
There are nifty moments involving the mechanics of space craft navigation, and the notion that these colonists pooled together their money to purchase an already antiquated vessel...because it was all they could afford and their only way to leave Earth...is a charming Science Fiction conceit.
Extras include:
PREVIOUS DOCBACKS
[SEASON / SERIES SIX DOCBACKS]
"The Impossible Astronaut"
"Day of the Moon"
"The Curse of the Black Spot"
"The Doctor's Wife"
"The Rebel Flesh"
"The Almost People"
[RETRO-WHO DOCBACKS - MOST RECENT DOCBACK IS HIGHLIGHTED]
"An Unearthly Child" (Story #1)
"The Daleks" (Story #2)
"The Edge of Destruction" (Story #3)
"Marco Polo" (Story #4)
"The Keys of Marinus" (Story #5)
"The Aztecs" (Story #6)
"The Sensorites" (Story #7)
"The Reign of Terror" (Story #8)
"Planet of Giants" (Story #9)
"The Gunfighters" (Story #25)
"Day of the Daleks" (Story #60) + Preview of the DotD Special Edition
"The Talons of Weng-Chiang" (Story #91)
"The Sun Makers" (Story #95)
"The Awakening" (Story #131)
"Frontios" (Story #132)
"Time and the Rani" (Story #144)
"Paradise Towers" (Story #145) + New WHOvian Documentary / Newsbits
DOCTOR WHO: THE COMPLETE SIXTH SERIES
Merrick's Personal Journey With The Doctor (How Merrick Got Hooked On DOCTOR WHO)
DOCTOR WHO Title Sequences & DW At Comic-Con 2011
"The Crash of the Elysium" (Manchester version - interactive DOCTOR WHO adventure)
Why Eccleston Left, Here Comes Caroline Skinner, And Season/Series Six Part 1 on Blu-Ray And DVD
New Trailer For Season/Series Six Part 2
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One of the great moments in my life!
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Those Jon Pertwee years are just so much fun and Roger Delgado was the best Master because he and the Doctor could be trying to kill each other and still be suave about it. Anthony Ainley could be a really likeable actor (I thought that Tremas was a cool character in Keeper of Traken), but they turned the smooth Master into just a crazy bad guy and it took some of the fun out of it. I really like Jon Simm. And he was gleefully evil, but it was like they were trying to make him into The Joker. Too over the top for me. Too much like a pantomime. Oh, and happy birthday, Doctor!
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"Resistance is inadvisable" is a line from THE ANDROID INVASION when the lead Kraal gets the jump on the Doctor.
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I haven't seen any comments on this at all...which is surprising. Matt Smith was on the BBC morning show on Monday and confirmed that in February they start shooting 14 new episodes including a Christmas special, and also a 50th anniversary special. He also said he hung out at Steven Moffat's birthday party over the weekend (11/19), with David Tennant and Peter Davison. Hmmmmmm.
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4800 more, please
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Yes, the Master in Colony in Space seems to have an unnecessary connection to the strife on the planet. He doesn't have to interact with the colonists, but he does. Why? The answer lies in his incarnation of the Master in connection to the Doctor. They are friends turned enemies who are still, in a way, friends who admire each other and try to prove themselves superior to each other. His presence is to make a statement to the Doctor, to say the game is on -- the match between them continues. For him the fun is trying to outwit the Doctor and prove himself the Master, though of course, he is always out of his depth. He just is not all that he thinks himself to be. The Doctor realizes this -- and it is why he seems to be always looking for the Master's welfare and safety -- even in the new series this manifests itself time and time again. The Doctor looks at the Master as a genius, as a friend, and as a dangerous, warped foe whose psychological problems are what make him a threat more than his plans.
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Have made people wonder - is there only one special planned and that's all? I don't think so, I just think Matt is negotiating for the 50th anniversary.
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(for fart machine)
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It's been a heck of a run.
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A heck of a run so far. The best is yet to come.
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Hard to believe that the low-budget show I fell in love with about 30 years ago (started with Pertwee and went from there) is not only still going, but that it has achieved such popularity. It definitely was a niche interest when I was growing up, but luckily I didn't get ridiculed too much for it. Here's to the next half-century!
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"C'mon kids - I'm thinking of a second sometime this week; closest email wins a prize. Enter as often as you'd like..." The script kittys purr. I shall mail slightly, lightly and politely - I promise. As to the Anniversary special, I have only one enduring hope: that Smith offers Tennant a hankie. At least once. At least. oooh! And Dialogue like, "We're going to have to go to Gwafalmadore..." Smith looks at Tennant and screws up his eyes, "Or don't you waaaant to goooooooo.....?" Yes. that would be perfect, right there...
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And to those celebrating, a great Thanksgiving weekend! So far I know of one friend here having a Turducken, which I can only describe as an abomination. One other is having a Tofurkey, which is not an abomination, but tastes much like one. Here, were having the traditional actual turkey. But..... One thing that was unusual this week here is a HUGE flock of wild turkeys just up the road from my house. (my sister got pictures). We're talking something around 50 of them. And they are huge. They look more like ostriches. I think they have been plotting/planning for some kind of an invasion. I usually only see them in pairs in my area, and rarely at that. Now they are numerous, and very out in the open. (and I'm dead serious, there really are huge wild turkeys here!!) So watch out, I believe the turkeys have found some kind of smart drug or something. Can't say I blame them. CYBERTURKEYS!! Prepare to be gobbled. You are inferior, man will be reborn as Cyberturkey!
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and that makes me feel younger than I should feel, considering. How strange that I NEVER ONCE considered this fact before. That's probably true for most of us. wow.
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Heard often from a band of ineffectual alien pharmacists.
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But Matt Smith is the first actor to be around less than I; talk about an odd feeling! I still remember going to Visions in 93 and how great that was. 30th anniversary, two Doctors, companions from all the Doctors, the Master, K9, JNT, a new short story shown, etc... that is still my highlight as a Doctor Who fan... but the 50th... I might try to up it!
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I really hope there will be some kind of 50th celebration in my area. No doubt there will be something in the SF bay area. But I'm hoping for something closer to Sacramento/Davis. This might be a good place to start: http://www.meetup.com/sacgeeks/ And since I will be joining, if you're in my region PLEASE join up as well. It would be an unprecedented honor and pleasure to meet ANYONE who is a DocBack regular/visitor/lurker in person.
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I'm in Indy, so you are much closer to SF than I
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To my favourite tv show of all time. May you never be cancelled ever again.
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Should he ever return, I'd like to see a return to Delgado's original portrayal. He needs to be more Moriarty-like next time we see him. Everything must come full circle.
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Nov. 23, 2011, 3:29 p.m. CST
A little bit of regional Whostory (That's Doctor Who history)
by gotilk
My first exposure to Doctor Who was watching KVIE 6 from the foothills, barely pulling it in before we got cable. I eventually ended up risking my life and stringing copper up to my roof in various configurations until I could pull in a good signal. I recall seeing these pledge breaks and thinking that... OH WOW... I'm not alone in this small town universe of banal normality. Somewhere out there are a bunch of geeky nerds like me, and not far away. Of course I was too young to head down into Sacramento, so I was limited to conventions I could get my mom or sister to take me to (far too few). But the show, the pledge breaks, etc, gave me hope that I would eventually be a part of a community like the one represented on those pledge breaks. Alas... I have located more pledge break videos on youtube and if you're a hardcore Whovian in search of ephemera, it doesn't get much better or geekier than this stuff. Here are a few links if you have the time for a few smiles and laughs... March 14 1987 KVIE Pledge Break http://youtu.be/PczYVpNVQjs I love that clip mostly for the disappearing TARDIS mug. I want one!! Don't be a Dalek, Join!! LOL!!! I love this stuff. If you want to see the rest of the pledge break videos, just check the related videos on the right. They are fun to watch.
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Are a funny thing. Some are Doctor Who actors doing crazy things; but my favorite is when an artist (I think AS) was on my PBS advocating Attack of the Cyberman was the best Who story of all time; of course, it was the first time being shown and during a pledge drive, but it made me excited and helped me like it more than I should have at the time. I used to have video tapes which had some of these pledge drives on them...
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Only 731 days until your 50th. The Multi-Doctor Countdown starts here..
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Best. Show. Ever. Long may it continue!
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Indy? Oh dear god, you poor thing! ;)
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I've always enjoyed both Delgado and Ainley's interpretations of The Master. I took the difference between them (Delgado's cool suave Master and the slightly unhitched Ainley) as a result of his "zombie" like existence between the two kinda driving him a lil mad. But then adding the constant drumming caused by Rassilon and you get Jon Simm's maniacal take! I wonder if, now that the drumming has stopped, he could "heal" himself and return some of the suaveness?
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I'll never understand why RTD felt the need to make him young (ish') ... Those brief magical minutes with Jacobi turning on the evil were TV gold and in a way, made eveything that came after feel like an anticlimax ...
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Happy Thanksgiving to you all. Unless you live somewhere that doesn't celebrate Thanksgiving, then Happy Mid Week.
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After two years in the TARDIS and this story being so intertwined with the companions, I got pretty attached. I know they're going to be around a little bit but it's probably going to be like when they brought Martha back for a few episodes during Season 4, where I don't think they really utilized her that well. But I feel more attached to this crew than even to Rose (and I did feel attached to Rose a little too!), because I feel like we've known Amy forever. I know Doctor Who has to keep changing and thank God we still have the awesome Matt Smith and I'm sure we'll get a great story and new companion, but I just wanted to acknowledge that I'm gonna miss them a little bit!
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This was a tweet in Neil Gaiman’s twitter today: THIS DAY in HISTORY: 1963. A MAN living with his GRANDDAUGHTER in a JUNKYARD abducts two SCHOOLTEACHERS and VANISHES! Happy Thanksgiving!
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Nov. 24, 2011, 12:47 a.m. CST
Javobi was a better Master in those few brief minutes than Simm was in all his appearances combined
by Stegman84
Though I pretty much blame RTD for writing a 'pantomime' Master and then continually pushing Simm to go more and more over the top, a direction that Simm himself has said in the past that he wasn't always confortable with, or sometimes even a fan of. Simm could have been great, I just don't think he was really allowed to be, or given much opportunity to ground The Master in any sort of compelling characteristics. As for the OG Masters, DelGado will always be the best, but I really liked Ainley too, even if the part during his era was often somewhat underwritten and often didn't give him the opportunity to show his range and prove what a good actor he actually was.
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Dyslexia, still making me look like a tool after all these years. Lol.
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now related through marriage. No real surprise that they'd be there.
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he was allowed to be quiet and actually act. Like the scene where he's telling the Doctor how he ran from the war. He could have been great, but of course RTD fucked it up. :) Jacobi was brilliant in his few minutes. One of the best most menacing lines "Oh....! Now I can say I was provoked..." Proper evil and scary stuff.
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I love the Master - an arch-villain with all the skills, intellect and cunning of the Doctor. The Master is kind of a cracked mirror image of the Doctor and John Simm captured David Tennant's slightly mad, manic energy well - with a sinister twist. It has always been intended that the Doctor and the Master are well matched; clearly Moriarty to the Doctor's Holmes and it's important, I think, that their physicality is on a par, too. Thus, a younger Master to match a younger Doctor. Also, while I don't love everything in the RTD era, I liked the mythology expansion for the Master - the beating of the drums that he always heard, like the rhythm of a Timelord's heart and the famous duh-duh-duh-duh of the show's signature theme tune. We've seen a tantalising snippet of the Master's origin story and I'd love to see a Doctor Who special that told the story of both character's origins; how did he come by the title Master? Why are the two so antagonistic? I can only imagine that once they were friends.
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It will, IMO, be one of the great wasted opportunities in the history of the doctor that we only got Jacobi as the Master for a few minutes, when they could have had him regenerate at any point in the next episode, or even had his take as Saxon, with him regenerating at the end. Instead, we got him dieing and then the nonsense super jumping, super hungry. lightening bolt version we ended up with. IMO, it kinda sums up an awful lot of RTD's episode's. Good ideas, many of which were badly executed.
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~Everything must come full circle~ said MOV. Well here I am reviewing LKH. Just for fun, not thinking of getting anything new out of it. But of course, well, I am what I am. No, not Popeye ... ~Who steals a bus?~ Mels steals a bus. But who else steals a bus? Lady Christina De Souza steals a bus. A bad girl, she is. Steals things for fun. Bottomless bag that always has just the right gear in it. Hots for the Doctor. Yep, you got it. HAT #821: Lady Christina De Souza is obviously an incarnation of River Song. Which brings up some questions: what other bad girls are there in the Doctor's past? How far back did River go chasing the Doc? And ... is Christina in River's past ... or in her future? Next - when River regenerates after obviously NOT being shot - there is no blood despite Rory talking about staunching it - she reveals her identity. Then Rory says this very curious line: ~I'm getting a sort of banging in my head.~ HAT #822: Yep, you got it. Rory Williams is the Master under a chameleon arch. The Doc must have recognised him all the way back in TEH and has been asking gentle probing questions ever since. Corroborating evidence: well, where else do you think Melody's Rassilon Imprimatur came from? Not from her Mum. And ... how else do you account for Rory regenerating into a Roman? Really, who else could Rory possibly be but The Master? Full Circle. Now what's really going to be fun is what happens when the Chameleon Arch goes away ... You really can't get these obvious clues past the likes of us, MOV. We're far too clever.
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~Miniaturisation Ray~ says Rory. ~How would you know that?~ says Amy. Well, who else do we know who knows all about Miniaturisation Rays? Oh yes. A truncheon-sized Dark Toblerone says Rory Williams is The Master.
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Nov. 24, 2011, 8:13 a.m. CST
if you are arrange all the words in the phrase "rory williams is the master"
by notspock2
You can make the phrase "rory williams is the master" FACT.
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He is the Doctor. Clearly. Doctor Who? Rory. Silence. Ok... ok.. gobble up the joke for all it's worth.
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Yes, he is loopy, crazy, over the top, but I think we are meant to realize he is the Master who has had time rewritten thanks to the interference of Rassilon.
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The episode will always hold a strong, nostalgic memory for the Target novelization,which I read before I saw the story itself.
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Rory can't be the Doc because of the incest angle. No way is the Doc bonking his own daughter.
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Now you know why Silence falls when the big secret is revealed!
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im watching the trailer for THE DOCTOR, THE WIDOW AND THE WARDROBE daily to youtube. hd, let it buffer, turn up the speaker, turn off the lights, feels like christmas to me.
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The whole "Utopia" episode was great. It had a really old school feel. Then we only got a couple of minutes of evil. Biggest wasted opportunity of RTD's run. Can't wait to see a return to the Moriarty-ish Master. Ugh, the burgers and the translucent face...
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GREAT posts. Count me in for one huge dark Toblerone as well. I'm convinced.
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For everyone else, have the best weekend possible.
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I am very much looking forward to the creepy, giggling Moriarty's return as well. Do we have a date for that yet? Surely we do and I've just missed it.
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Sunshine, clean water, shelter, family, friends, DocBack, Whotininnies and the laughter of satisfied people. And on some days, not in that order.
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As some of you may know, I have stated that for me my top two Doctor's are Pertwee and Smith, so this is a good one for me. Delgado as the Master was always perfect. He was a great foil to the Doctor. It is a shame that we could not get more episodes with him. His untimely passing brought a change to the Pertwee era.
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Happy Holidays !! Nice to see you uploading new reviews/videos, I had a few to catch up with. The meetup looked like a lot of fun. Have a great weekend.
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I missed this Docback when it posted yesterday - bah! Suffice to say, I love Cis - I mean, it's a 9 way conflict, and Dent is fantastic, so how couldn't I?
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Rory entered into the TARDIS the first time and we got this curious exchange: The Doctor: It's a lot to take in, isn't it? Tiny box, huge room inside. "What's that about?" Let me explain— Rory: It's another dimension. The Doctor: It's basically another dimension— What? Rory: After what happened with Prisoner Zero I've been reading up all on the latest scientific theories. FTL travel, parallel universes. The Doctor: I like the bit when someone says "It's bigger on the inside." I always look forward to that... There have been little droplets like this throughout the Rory years. Heck, the fact that Rory has died several times has now become a bit of a joke. I'm not saying he's The Master, but there is definitely a whiff of Gallifrey about him. On an unrelated note, this episode also has my favorite Rory speech; it really put The Doctor in his place and is obviously the key to the thread of melancholia and regret that has run throughout Smith's interpretation of the role: You know what's dangerous about you? It's not that you make people take risks, it's that you make them want to impress you. You make it so they don't want to let you down. You have no idea how dangerous you make people to themselves when you're around. Great stuff! Happy Anniversary, Doctor. Here's to many more years to come.
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In NATD we get the Doc's explanation to Amy that her past is constantly changing. But in VOTD he was surprised that her past / Churchill's future had changed. Therefore he learned something. Now we've seen this Timey-Wimey stuff at work many times. It's basically the Bill and Ted version of time travel - you want something to happen, you just remember to go back in time and make it inevitable. Given HAT #822, it seems pretty plain that the reason Rory keeps dying is that the Doctor is actively killing him. Taking him places where there are death traps for him. Or traps that will otherwise get him out of the Doctor's life. Even when the Doc grabs Amy and Rory and deposits them in a a beautiful bourgeois Leadworth, buys Rory a nice Jag and sweetly kisses them goodbye he can't get rid of them. They're back next episode dogging him and Craig. If Rory is The Master under a chameleon arch then his timeline is being manipulated by The Master to keep him in the Doc's loop. To what end? Well, stand by for HAT #824 ... just as soon as I think of it ...
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The Face of Boe. Explains everything.
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We know the Doctor had to be at the first Thanksgiving, because the South Park episode this season A History Channel Thanksgiving proved that the Pilgrims and Indians were actually aliens. It wouldn't surprise me if the Doctor gave them the recipe for stuffing.
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I just watched this last weekend. It's what I remember of a lot of Pertwee, stories that end up padded to have them go 6 episodes when it could have been done in 4. I'm not saying it's bad, just that it could have been trimmed a little (compare to The Silurians, which doesn't feel padded, or Inferno - where they make use of the parallel universe conceit to repeat bits while still keeping a sense of tension). I do like the Delgado Master in the story, though it takes its time getting him on screen. The IMC Needs You! extra was interesting, the commercial starting it off was humorous enough.
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The BBC R&D people playing around to see if they can get a toy Dalek to act up given cues from Daleks on the tv screen. http://tinyurl.com/6ngabhd
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Thanks man! Yeah the meetup was fun. Gotta film my next one tomorrow, will have it uploaded for saturday :)
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I bought my Blu-Ray player AFTER I bought S5 on DVD, so it would be a nice way to upgrade without worry.
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Didn't realized this docback had been posted early! Ah, well. @caractacuspotts: one quick note. Your bit about the Rassilon Imprimature: River doesn't necessarily have the ability to prime a time travel vehicle. The TARDIS only had to be primed once; after that, anyone can pilot it (assuming they know how). Still, an interesting theory. Colony in Space: as others have said, a very typical Pertwee story. Too long and doesn't completely come together, but some interesting bits therein, and of course the Master makes everything better. Roger Delgado is still the best Master ever, and it's not close. If you read that some new evil recurring bad guy was going to be played by a short, swarthy guy with receding hair, you'd laugh...until you saw him. And heard him. His delivery, his eyes...he just nails it in every way. And I say this with all due respect to Derek Jacobi, who probably could have done better...but maybe not. Yes, a lot of his performance was terrific, but then you get ''I...am...the MAHHHHSSSTTTAAAAHHHH,'' or ''the MAAAHHHHSSSTAAAHHH...RRRREEEEE-BBOOOOORRRNNNNNN.'' Still, the scene where he uses the watch and turns around...brilliant. Also, unlike many here (I suppose), I really enjoyed John Simm and hope he returns at some point.
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That's basically what I'm doing. Blu disks first, then the player. I already had a few from back when my PS3 actually worked. But now I want any and every available Who Blu, starting with series 6. Whoops, better check my e-mail.
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I think John Simm deserves another shot, too. Under different direction/production. I get the feeling he was pushed to go over the top.
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See you in the next DocBack.
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gotilk: I liked Simm's performance as is. Particularly in his first appearance. I thought he was a great foil for Tennant's Doctor. It would be interesting to see how differently he'd play it against Smith's. hornorsilk: Indiana? Whereabouts? My oldest lives in the middle of farking nowhere, Indiana.
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I hit the 4 Night and the Doctor stories on Disc 3 first - fabulous, by themselves just about make buying the box set worth it. Last night I settled down and watched Disc 1. I remembered A Christmas Carol was good, but I had forgotten how gobsmackingly good it actually was until I started watching it again. If someone new to Doctor Who wants to start, and you don't want to necessarily start with Rose or with The Eleventh Hour, I think A Christmas Carol would be the perfect place to start. It's the best Christmas episode we've had, and one of the best overall. It encapsulates all the strangeness and charm of the show in one hour. Unfortunately they didn't include the Proms in this set (which they did when they released A Christmas Carol separately); it would have been nice if they could have at least put the Matt Smith sketch in on the disc. It does raise an opportunity down the line, though, that they might eventually try a Live box set, including the Proms, Doctor Who Live, maybe include some filming from a Doctor Who Experience. It would also be a nice place to put a bunch of bits and bobs like the various Doctor Who cast making appearances on Craig Ferguson (heck, I'd love for Moffat to arrange for a special Doctor Who short where Craig Ferguson and Geoff could be in the TARDIS, either as companions or as villains - or both). What did surprise me is that they kept the Christmas Confidential at full length, not cutting it down like the do for the regular episodes. Space and Time were fun little Comic Relief specials. Watching those and the Night and the Doctor sketches on the DVD makes me realize that Moffat might have found the perfect way for him to do little Doctor Who short stories, so to speak. Also, with the next season not occurring until the fall, I'm hoping that he puts out some little sketches for Comic Relief (and maybe others at other times) to help keep the interest up in Doctor Who between this year's Christmas special and the new season in the fall. Speaking of Christmas specials, I hope when they release this year's Christmas special on DVD they include the short sketch from Children in Need on it.
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But I am waiting for some, to get them cheaper. Starting with S6 because of it.
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I'm in Indy. It's also the whoosier whome of WhoNA. So there is a good DW connection.
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Surely your "GREAT posts" was aimed at Caratacuspotts and not myself, I merely provided the scientific framework for recognising the truth in his really quite brilliant theories.
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I quite like the idea pf an episode where the master is manipulating everything behind the scenes. The Doctor wins without even knowing it was the master he was actually facing and beating. maybe even the viewers don't until the last 10 mins or so (and i don't mean giving them earlier hints like a hooded claw shot of a silhouette watching a monitor screen)
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With what was going on in S3.
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I know what you mean,but in the end, the dr faced down the master. I would kinda like to see him not even know it was the master that he actually beat (cos he never sees him), if that makes sense.
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Nov. 25, 2011, 7:36 p.m. CST
FYI -WHOTININNIES Podcast # 5 is now online (links in article above)!
by Merrick
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day one purchase for both ... still on vacay so i havent seen any of s06 blu's yet, but s05 was probably one of the best blu's ever ... amazing PQ, and far more impressive and subtle color palette ont he blu's ... far more film-like ... i hear the new one has the trailers, i hope its not like last years, and the "trailer" were really 18 different version of the same 5 second itv ad or whatever ... give me the damn episode trailers from the live airings!
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I would like to see End of Time paid off. The Master without the drums is no longer insane, in fact he wants redemption and to ally himself with the Doctor. We see a different side to him. Do we believe it? Does the Doctor? He wants to. But he ultimately believes it when it's too late, someone kills the Master... He regenerates into Bennedict Cumberbatch and he's mightily pissed and wants vengeance.
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Actually, I would like something more interesting. Somehow, a Master from before the Time War, before Delgado's Master, appearing for one story. Someone who is the incarnation which becomes evil but before he does. Someone who figures out the Doctor is hiding something big from him....
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Except now when I'm doing my laundry, I'll be constantly looking over my shoulder to make sure one of you isn't standing behind me. *shudder* EXTERMIMATE! lol
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As of this week I got not only Series 6 on blu-ray, but also took advantage of amazons black friday deals and acquired: -The time monster -Dr Who and the silurians (which I have seen before) -The seadevils (I've also seen this one) -Planet of Evil (Just wached it, its AMAZING! one of the best ever I think, surprised I haven't heard more about this one) -Planet of the daleks -frontier in space -Horns of nimon -time warrior -destiny of the daleks -the seeds of doom -the mindrobber (my one and only Troughton era dvd) -creature from the pit -kinda -snakedance -four to doomsday -terminus -mawdryn undead -enlightenment -warriors from the deep -planet of fire This also means I now have ALL the 5th doctor stuff, and only missing about 5-10 of the 3rd/4th doctor dvds currently in release. Thus I have much new who to view!
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(needless to say, I'm listening to the podcast) Hilarious, Merrick, catching Ken off guard with them!
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First and foremost, thank you all for listening. Secondly... ::sigh::
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I was thinking of going to see the Muppets today, but the podcast has convinced me to wait for it to come out on DVD, so I don't spend more than 1 dollar at Redbox to watch it.
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I really like the Menu screen - I wonder if for season 7 they might end up having lightning striking the Doctor Who logo and knocking it around the same way it is on the menu screen. I'd want the TARDIS to look less obviously computer generated, though - it just doesn't have the same look as the regular credits for the TARDIS in the vortex. Seeing the cloudy time/space vortex reflected in the visor of the spacesuit makes me wish we could actually see that in a story at some point.
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Nov. 26, 2011, 1:28 p.m. CST
(OT) Ken, I agree on Disney messing up with their handling of products (especially the Muppets releases)
by DoctorTom
I've been waiting for the Season 5 set because of the James Coburn episode (though I remember enjoying the Loretta Swit episode a lot also)
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Agree on Planet of Evil. Really enjoyed it.
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I also enjoyed Planet of Evil, even though it seems to have some really strange ideas about what anti-matter does. And more importantly, what it doesn't do, like explode in contact with normal matter.
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Yeah, definitely the science is iffy at best in this one, but I think these are probably the best sets the classic series ever had. Not just the spooky jungle but the ship interiors were a lot more dynamic than usual, and really interesting camera angles and perspectives not usually seen in classic who not to mention the weird monster is actually quite well pulled off despite its incredibly hoaky effects although I kept thinking the crazy scientist was Terry Gilliam
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Ash vs the Master; Good Ash and Bad. Leela takes champion.
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I just watched this story. I would wager this one made a big impact on a young Steven Moffat! Probably the most wibbly-wobbley timey-wimey episode of classic Who I've ever seen. Plus now I finally know where Turlough came from (I've been watching all the stories out of order as I collect them)
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Was meant to be Ian, originally. It's a fun episode, but messes up UNIT.
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*** I'd like to see a return to Delgado's original portrayal. He needs to be more Moriarty-like next time we see him. *** Craig Ferguson. Playing against type.
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Nov. 26, 2011, 7:21 p.m. CST
(ALL) Thanks for the kind words re: podcast. So glad you enjoyed, and thanks so much for listening!
by Merrick
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I knew it all along.
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GREAT idea. He would be a fantastic, maniacal (and slightly pervy) Master. . ....in your pants.
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Nov. 26, 2011, 9:13 p.m. CST
He could be a version of the Master who's constantly trying to bang Amy Pond
by Rebel Scumb
Remember way back when, how most villians major endgame was they wanted to marry the heros girlfriend... You never really see that anymore
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though Geoff would definitely have a limited mobility problem. Maybe K9 could return so that he and Geoff could see which one could get off the snarkier comment about the other.
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Seriously does need a battery pack.
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Watched it this morning. I thought it was quite good, a few flaws aside. Creepy concept, good sets. I'm a bit confused about the terminus ship creating the big bang, but I guess thats all in the bag with any iffy Dr Who science. Sad to see Nyssa go, she looked especially yummy in this story. Now that I have all the davison stories, at some point I'll need to go through them in order, since they seem to have a bit more continuity and ongoing threads than other classic doctor eras. Also quite the turnover rate of companions!
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I can't believe Turlough started out as someone sent to kill the doctor! I had no idea. I'm going to need to rewatch all his other stories at some point with this in mind. I'm assuming the assassination plot thread is tied up in Enlightenment, since thats the end of the blackguardian trilogy. Also, if Michael Gambon hadn't played the scrooge character last year, he could have made an excellent black guardian if they ever wanted to bring him back.
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Slightly belated but still a true sentiment. I would like to see an origin story for the Master as well. Just a thought, sometime when both were youths in school and the Master beats the Doctor at some challenge and the Doctor gives him the name. But I'm also fine with it remaining a mystery.
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Is excellent. It would have been more developed if used in modern Who, and more fleshed out, but the idea was great. There are elements of its after-effects in the rest of his stories, and I would say, even with Planet of Fire. He's one of my favorite companions for what they tried to do with him (the audios also add a bit, with Loups Garoux I think being the best).
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If you really want to get confused, listen to Slipback. It was the audio that the BBC did with Colin Baker and Nicola Bryant during the hiatus between seasons 22 and 23. It gives a completely different and contradictory reason for the Big Bang (unless all these things just coincidentally happened at the same time). Considering that Slipback was written by Eric Saward trying to imitate Douglas Adams, and he was script editor for Terminus, I'm surprised he tried to change the origin of the Big Bang. In Terminus, though, I'll see if I can explain. The Terminus ship was also a time ship. While in the time space vortex, they jettisoned the fuel. This apparently traveled through the vortex to the very beginning of the universe and caused the big bang when it exploded - with the universe in its original hot and compressed state, it just needed a spark of something to set everything to blow up and expand.
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I agree, Rebel Scumb, Michael Gambon would have made an excellent Black Guardian. If he hadn't been used in The Impossible Astronaut, they could have used Morgan Shepard as either the White or the Black Guardian. Patrick Stewart would also make a good Black Guardian, if you could tempt him into doing a Doctor Who. A controversial choice that would definitely make for an interesting Black Guardian would be Tom Baker. Don't give any explanation confirming or denying that the Black Guardian is the ultimate evolution of the Dream Lord/Valeyard, and watch the internet crack in half!
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David Troughton got to be the Black Guardian..
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I would love it if the reason why The Master is called The Master was because he won some schoolkid's game against The Doctor and the stakes were that he would forever refer to him as *The Master*instead of his real name. Very entertaining idea. Even more entertaining would be if The Doctor is referred to as such for the same reason, from the outcome of a different game. Or would that be too much like Midichlorians or Anniken building C-3PO? I dunno, I find the idea entertaining. And it would add another layer to their already complicated and fascinating relationship.
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Friend of Androgums.
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Virgin Books did it for a Missing Adventure. The novel was The Dark Path by David McIntee. It was a novel involving the Second Doctor, and had a pre-Master Master. His name before that had been Koschei. The novel dealt with why he ended up becoming the Master. From what I remember it was a good read - not necessarily worth what people are charging for the novel now (the cheapest I see on Amazon is $37.34, with the copies on Ebay going for $75), but it might end up sometime getting released as a digital book (I've seen this happening for Lance Parkin's novels, but - like other BBC ebooks - I'm only seeing them for the Kindle and not for other platforms. Having a Nook, this annoys me.)
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Okay that makes more sense than what I thought. I thought what they were saying was that the ship existed BEFORE the big bang in some sort of pre-universe and then jettisoned the fuel and created the universe. It just seemed odd that they just casually would suggest some sort of pre-universe space ship I could have sworn though that the doctor said the ship WASN'T a time ship, but I might have misheard
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Yes, when I first saw Terminus, I thought the same as you did. However, when I rewatched it, I caught it was going back in time. So it becomes a timey-wimey Moff-loving paradox!
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Yes, there seems to be multiple incidents which connect together to create our universe. This either means there is a timey-wimey rewrite going on, or, the theory that there are multiple bangs to our universe is true!
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He just watches Doctor Who on Saturday mornings..
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Nov. 28, 2011, 4:53 p.m. CST
But this talk makes me want to do my list of favorite companion concepts
by HornOrSilk
This is not favorite companions, but favorite concepts. Often they were not executed properly (for obvious reasons), but the concepts are there. 1. Ian and Barbara. They come together and they work together and they really bring it all together. 2. The Brigadier 3. Ace - I just like her character 4. Turlough 5. Donna Noble 6. Liz Shaw 7. Mike Yates (another 'companion' with an arc) 8. Romana 9. Rory 10.K9
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Just a prop to get the Doctor around or a character in its own right?
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That can be taken OH so many ways :P...where is Peri when you need her? LOL LOL
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So, we seem to have been shown the night of the many Doctors River has talked about. Perhaps. And it is the night of the many Rivers, too..
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With a slip-back... the big bang..
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It's both! We all know it's the most important character in the show after The Doctor himself, but it's also a storytelling device used to keep things fresh.
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What in interesting choice! As a fellow Scot (and Doctor Who fan), he'd certainly bring something different to the role. Will it ever happen? Watch this space. Or another space. Actually, keep *all* spaces well covered. You can't be too careful these days.
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Don't take that to be the same as his tv origin. The books will be completely ignored when it comes to the actual show itself. It would be a nightmare if writers for the show had to be aware of every aspect of the books (and there's a hell of a lot of them) and stuck to them as fact. Sadly, the books (as good as some of them are) are to be seen as a 'what-if' or 'alternate timeline'. There's every chance that The Master's tv origin story will be totally different from that told in the books. Assuming it ever happens, of course.
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I mean, we had the Head Master as the headmaster -- wasn't the point that he took on the DNA of the Doctor and became a Time Lord? ;)
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One of the nice things about time travel is you never have to see things in the order in which they happen. We could run into a Master that existed before the Time War, before he ran. I always thought that bringing Tom Baker back as a version of the Master would be highly entertaining! Though, after reading the posts, Craig Ferguson would be excellent! Another 50th anniversary option. We always talk about having multiple Doctors, why not multiple Masters? Could be quite fun! Ripping The Master out of several different points in his time line and having them all converge on The Doctor! Bliss!
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Actually we saw his origin in The Mind Robber. After that, he wrote himself into the stories, and shortened his name from The Master of The Land of Fiction to just being called The Master. When he wrote himself into the stories he also wrote himself as being a Time Lord also and always having been a Time Lord. Now, just try to explain why he'd write his own story so that he'd keep hearing those blasted drums....
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I don't think the Delgado one heard the drums. I think Rassilon changed the Master's life somehow, and added this to his history.
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Nov. 29, 2011, 1:16 p.m. CST
Actually, there IS a way to make it work. Also, Delgado's drums
by DoctorTom
side note: I think Delgado did hear the drums, looking at his plots (often involving allying with untrustworthy aliens and he's shocked, I tell you, shocked to find out that they might actually betray him. I just think that for Delgado they're not beating as hard as for the others. Ainley, those drums were obviously beating very hard at time. Dum- dum- dum- dum... Dum- dum- dum- dum... I know, let's take this robot shapeshifter and undo the Magna Carta. THAT will show the Monk who can best meddle with Earth's Dark ages Dum- dum- dum- dum... Okay, the shrinking experiment is almost complete, all I have to do is be careful while connecting this DUM-DUM-DUM-DUM oh crap, I've shrunk myself. When the Doctor asked the Master how he survived that one time and the Master said he's indestructible, he actually meant to say *Because the bloody drums won't let me die, Doctor, they're going to keep me alive so that they can hound me for the rest of eternity!* I would have said that the Master in the Paul McGann movie heard the drums when he took time out to change, but after Let's Kill Hitler I'd say that it's just a common Time Lord trait. Bbesides, dont' forget that the Master found that little number in the Doctor's wardrobe closet, he didn't bring it in with him. Frankly, if we could have had Colin Baker in that instead of what JN-T forced him to wear, things might have gone a lot better. ***** Anyway, how to make both Masters work: We are told at the beginning of Terror of the Autons that the Master had escaped his prison. Maybe the so-called Land of Fiction was actually the Master's prison. The Time Lords chameleon arched him or something along those lines to play with his memory (and maybe keep him from being able to use some of his Time Lord abilities) and made him think that he's just a writer from Earth. Sometime after the Mind Robber, the Master gets all his memories back and figures out how to escape. A possible variant of this would be that the so-called Land of Fiction was just a virtual reality that the Master was plugged into to keep him sedated while in prison. The TARDIS ended up going into a conceptual space inside the virtual reality during The Mind Robber.
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And of course, Omega is involved in the creation of the Land of Fiction...
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and the Land of Fiction was actually Amy's TARDIS/ house, which the Rani had been hiding in disguised as various relatives of hers (she had to change disguise to look like the aunt when her parents disappeared), while the Valeyard posssessed the body of her father...... .....no, best not to go down this road.
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I expect them to freely ignore the origin of the Master that showed up in print. I'd be pleasantly surprised if they drew from it sometime for some inspiration - we've seen Who stories from other media get used or provide inspiration for stories in the tv series. I suspect, though, that we've had as much of an origin for the Master as we're going to see on television.
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The Blu-Ray player is in the house! Grabbed it for 39.95 AFTER black Friday. It's a crappy LG one, with not a lot of extras, but it will play avi/mkv/mpg, etc. Probably my last purchase of anything of significance for a while. Just had to have one, as I may be without Internet for a short period soon. Now I need to just find a retailer carrying the Who Blus. It has been a weird week for me, so I may be missing in action quite suddenly, for perhaps even a couple of weeks. I may need to move into a new place quickly. We'll see how things go in the next couple of days. In the meantime I am downsizing my substantial cache of needless junk, ephemera and hangers-on from past interest. This may result in the cheap selling off of some geek gems, which will be bittersweet. E-bay and craigslist here I come. Many things I will simply give away because they will have meaning to only a select few people and I'd like them to be preserved. Things like a complete collection of Wired magazine from issue one to around 2010 or so, tons of old sci-fi fiction (Herbert/Heinlein Hardbacks, tons of paperbacks and other things. Don't worry, I'm not becoming homeless or anything like that, but I am just simplifying my life because my space will most likely be cut in half and I just refuse to be ripped off by storage spaces that cost around what a studio apartment went for 10 years ago. Insane. I have been living in service to a family member for about 7 years now and the time has come to move on because what she needs is care I cannot provide. I don't want to depress anyone, so I'm avoiding detail, but rest assured that the time has simply come and I am already at the stage of acceptance. I post this information here because I have been engaged with this community for so long now that I did not want to just *disappear* again without any kind of explanation. Like last time. And these wonderful DocBacks have been the focus of my interaction on AICN. I assume that any of the people who would want to know will read this. Be well, and have fun. I'll miss you, but I will be back. My entire family has been surprised in the past and things can change for the positive very quickly. So I may simply be back on Friday and this will all blow over. In the meantime, I will be prepared. Love you all.... genuinely... Keep your heads up, stay positive, live in the service of good, and keep being good to each other. I'll be reading when I can, perhaps posting briefly(if possible), and ALWAYS listening to Whotininnies of course.
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I'm sorry that you're having the difficulties right now and hope things work out for you to be back quickly. You're presence will definitely be missed while you're gone (even if briefly).
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Dec. 1, 2011, 8:24 a.m. CST
And here we have a microcosm of the upcoming delay in Doctor Who episodes
by DoctorTom
With this thread having been started on a Wednesday instead of a Friday, yesterday would have been a virtual-Thursday equivalent for posting (with today being an effective Friday morning) with the posting having dwindled down, yet there's still two more days to go before the next thread shows up. I suspect post counts will be low for the next couple of days. It's the problem we might run into with general interest (not our interest, but the general population) in Doctor Who with the new series not starting until Autumn - it will drop out of people's minds unless reminded in between. It points out that a few extra things to keep Doctor Who in the public eye between Christmas and the fall might be needed. Not that I'm worried, I've seen Moffat's comments about Who about to enter it's longest production run yet - suggesting that not only are we getting the 14 episodes we know about, but also suggesting that there will be also filming other stuff. A 50th Anniversary special? Easter special? Filming 2 years worth of series without a break? (Actually, I hope the last isn't true, or that there's a break in the middle of filming that second season - as much as I want new Who I don't want the production team or actors to get burnt out.)
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