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The Friday Docback Searches For 'The Keys Of Marinus'!! DOCTOR WHO Story #5...

 

 

 

Merrick here...

...returning to my exploration of retro-WHO with a look at "The Keys of Marinus." 

This is the fifth DOCTOR WHO story broadcast, and features William Hartnell as The Doctor in a six part saga by Terry Nation (creator of the Daleks).  The episode aired between April and May back in 1964. 

This week we also have a look a clip from the making of the "Day of the Daleks" Special Edition! 

 

"THE KEYS OF MARINUS"

 

 

Long ago on planet Marinus, a machine called The Conscience of Marinus was developed.  It had the ability to influence the thoughts of the world's populous, thus pesky imperfections like hatred and crime could be be essentially programmed out of the public's psyche.  

Seven centuries later, the villainous Yartek managed to circumvent the device's effects.  Along with his followers, The Voord, he easily pillaged Marinus - whose people were defenseless, knowing nothing of hatred or violence or fear. 

To prevent Yartek from seizing control of the Conscience, and in the hopes that it may someday be modified and made "irresistible" by Yartek and The Voord, the device's five primary circuits ("keys") were hidden in distinct locations across Marinus. 

Now, The Voord are on the move once more - and Conscience keeper Arbitan (George Coulouris) needs to retrieve those circuit "keys."  He's ready to bring The Conscience online again in an effort to brainwash The Voord before all hope is lost, and forces The Doctor and companions Ian (William Russell), Barbara (Jacqueline Hill) and Susan (Carole Ann Ford) to undertake the dangerous quest.

 

'Tis happenstantial but appropriate that this week's Docback also discusses the "Day of the Daleks" Special Edition - because "Keys of Marinus" is a story that would benefit greatly from similar TLC and updating.


Terry Nation's story is bold, grand, and memorable - but the show's production values simply don't support his enormous and admirable vision.  This tale spans multiple environments  - jungles, cities, snowscapes, a monastery-like fortress, beaches of glass rimmed by oceans of acid - none of which are as fully realized as intended...or as they deserve to be. This isn't a direct criticism of the show in general  as much as an exaltation of what Nation was going for, and an acknowledgement that many of the elements which might distract viewers from the storytelling here could easily (and somewhat inexpensively) be addressed even now.  "Keys of Marinus" is very much deserving of the same posthumous tweaking which made the recent revisitation of "Day of the Daleks" such a success. 


At one point in the first episode, a stagehand or technician of some sort can clearly be seen lurking behind a revolving door on-set.  Later, a foot steps into frame...as if a character is entering the scene...but is notably missing when the angle changes.  This is followed by the shadow of what appears to be a boom mike hovering over Jacqueline Hill's head.  The list goes on. Before anyone hammers me for being unappreciative of early WHO, I totally get what the show was and understand the resources it had to work with back in the day.  All I'm saying is that: even for sometimes delightfully dodgy early WHO, a vast majority of which I've enjoyed immensely by the way, some of the boo-boos here were a tad shameful and excessive. 

 

 

          

(l - Voord from "Keys of Marinus", r - Slayer from KRULL)

 

This said,  "Keys of Marinus" does knock some moments out of the park.  The structure of the story is quite interesting.  Each of its six parts takes on a unique tone, appearance, and style as the search for the "keys" moves us to distinctive and varied locations, and introduces us to a number
of different characters. In essence, this is six individual stories (possibly five, depending on how you break them down), each of very different flavor and setting, all addressing an umbrella arc in different ways.  Brilliantly conceived, and on the whole it's quite well handled. 

One wonderfully directed moment finds Barbara attempting to convince her cohorts that their current location is not what it appears to be - it's shot in first person.  Later, Barbara is imperiled by a scummy old trapper named Vasor (Francis de Wolff) - this sequence is unsettling and surprisingly edgy for what purports to be a "show for kids." 

Notably, in "Keys" there appears to be an undercurrent of hostility towards women on the whole: a young girl's early failure to accomplish a task results in a death sentence.  The above-mentioned Barbara -vs- the trapper plotline.  A character named Aydan (Martin Cort) is notably bastardly towards Barbara and Susan - later he apparently strikes his wife off camera.  I'm assuming this quality exists in support of the episode's backstory  - addressing the paradox that The Conscience's abolishment of the populous' baser impulses not only left people vulnerable  to exploitation, but unskilled in curbing their own dark instincts.  Or, maybe Terry Nation was simply having a tough patch with a woman in his life.  I don't know.  Just sayin'. 

The final moments of "Keys of Marinus" bring us back to where the adventure began, with one last adventure which doesn't offer the tension, cohesion, or strength-of-concept carried by the episodes which preceded it.  A soft conclusion for a compelling and daringly imagined story, which, like the people of Marinus, somehow emerges as successful despite being occasionally let down by a few of its elements. 

"The Keys of Marinus" is available HERE in the U.S. and HERE in the U.K.

 

 

A CLIP ABOUT THE MAKING OF THE RECENT "DAY OF THE DALEKS" SPECIAL EDITION

Regular readers may recall the unbridled enthusiasm with which I greeted the recent Special Edition of "Day of the Daleks" (Pertwee, Story #60). You can find my previous posts about it HERE and HERE

The DOTD SE appears on the second disc of a two disc set (the first disc offers the original version of the episode), and features a number of editorial tweaks, some newly reworked visual effects, fresh sound work, and incorporated new footage  to embiggen the story's originally lackluster finale (more Daleks were added, more action shots created, etc.) Care was taken to match the film shot in present day to the original '70s film stock, etc.

The result is a brilliantly accessibly piece which nicely re-decorates the original version's clunkier moments, creating a smoother storytelling and larger vibe for the tale without ever feeling anachronistic, disingenuous, or distracting. 

BBC graciously provided a clip from the SE's "Making Of..." segment, which illustrates the painstaking effort and care that went into realizing this challenging undertaking. 

NOTE:  every once in a while an embed that is displayed on AICN does something funky, or won't quite play right, etc.  If you have any problems seeing this video, drop me a line - or post in the Docback below -  and I can change a few settings rather easily. 

 

The two-disc "Day of the Daleks" are now available on DVD in the U.S., and can be found HERE in the U.K.

 

 

LONDON'S DOCTOR WHO EXPERIENCE TO STAY AROUND A BIT LONGER

It's looking like The Doctor Who Experience will be sticking around London a few months longer than planned before relocating to its new and permanent Cardiff home. 

The exhibit was originally scheduled to end its London presence in late November (next month), now it's looking like it'll stick around to February 2012.  Per a statement on the DOCTOR WHO EXPERIENCE site...

BBC Worldwide is delighted to announce that the critically acclaimed Doctor Who Experience will be extending its run at London’s Olympia Two until February 22nd 2012 due to huge public demand. Since opening the Tardis doors in February this year and becoming one of the capital’s premiere tourist attractions, over 155,000 excited visitors have had the chance to star in their very own Doctor Who adventure as the Doctor’s companion.

This is uber-mega-super-awesome-fantastically joy-joy news for me, as my initial plans to travel to London for the exhibit in November have most likely been scuttled by a number of factors - but this February extension now gives me a fighting chance to get there.  

It's calling me... It's calling me...

 

 

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PREVIOUS DOCBACKS

 

[SEASON / SERIES SIX DOCBACKS]


"The Impossible Astronaut"

"Day of the Moon"

"The Curse of the Black Spot"

"The Doctor's Wife"

"The Rebel Flesh"

"The Almost People"

"A Good Man Goes To War"

"Let's Kill Hitler"

"Night Terrors"

 
 
 

 

[RETRO-WHO DOCBACKS]

"Time and the Rani"

"Merrick's Personal Journey With The Doctor / "Frontios"

"An Unearthly Child"

DOCTOR WHO Title Sequences & DW At Comic-Con 2011

"The Daleks," "The Awakening," "The Crash of the Elysium"

"The Gunfighters" / "The Edge Of Destruction"

Why Eccleston Left, Here Comes Caroline Skinner, And Season/Series Six Part 1 on Blu-Ray And DVD

"Paradise Towers" / New WHOvian Documentary / Newsbits

New Trailer For Season/Series Six Part 2

"Marco Polo" and "The Sun Makers"

"Day of the Daleks" (+ Preview Of DotD Special Edition)

 

 

 
DOCBACK CODE OF CONDUCT
 
AICN's Friday DOCTOR WHO Talkbacks - aka "Docbacks"  - operate on a different set of standards than other AICN Talkbacks.  These standards developed quickly and naturally, and we intend to preserve them.  Accordingly, please take a moment to note a few guidelines which should help proceedings move along smoothly and pleasantly:  
 
1) a Docback should be about completely open and free discourse regarding all things WHO (with, obviously, some variation on subject matter from time to time - the real world intervenes, discussions of other shows are inevitable, etc.)... 

2) matters of SPOILAGE should be handled with thoughtful consideration and sensitivity.  Posts containing SPOILERS should clearly state that a SPOILER exists in its topic/headline and should never state the spoiler itself . "** SPOILER ** Regarding Rory" is OK, for example.  "** SPOILER ** Battle of Zarathustra" is fine as well.  "**SPOILER** Why did everyone die?"  Is NOT good.  

And, above all... 

3) converse, agree, disagree, and question as much as you want - but the freedom to do so is NOT a license to be rude, crass, disrespectful, or uncivilized in any way.  Not remaining courteous and civil, as well as TROLLING or undertaking sensational efforts to ignite controversy, will result in banning.  Lack of courtesy may receive one (1) warning before a ban is instigated.  Obvious Trolling or Spamming will result in summary banning with no warning.  
 
In short, it's easy.  Be excellent to each other.  Now party on...
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  • Oct. 7, 2011, 2:12 p.m. CST

    Last!

    by DoctorTom

    someone had to start this

  • do it for the Doctor. And for wibbly wobbly timey timey shenanigans.

  • Oct. 7, 2011, 2:24 p.m. CST

    Glad to see you're back on the classics, Merrick!

    by Yotz Von Frelnik

    I was enjoying the ongoing review of the earliest stories from the beginning, and was bummed when they paused for a while. Looking forward to your take on these early seasons!

  • Oct. 7, 2011, 2:30 p.m. CST

    Keys of Marinus

    by DoctorTom

    While not The Daleks, is still an interesting one for its time. The bit of changing locations every episode (well, really until the last 2) was a bold choice that actually fit in with how things were filmed in those days, one episode at a time. The structure also plays better at a time when each episode has it's own title rather than just episode numbers for the overall story; you wouldn't necessarily know when a story was going to end. You could almost treat it as its own mini-Key To Time, with a bunch of individual stories strung together with the arc to get the Key(s) back to Arbitan

  • Oct. 7, 2011, 2:32 p.m. CST

    Still, when this was revisited later by Grant Morrison

    by DoctorTom

    in a Doctor Who comic, just HOW can you come up with the Cybermen having been originally Voord? Just because they both had wet suits for costumes and funny shaped heads? Utterly daft!

  • Oct. 7, 2011, 2:34 p.m. CST

    yotzvonfrelnik - welcome (back) to the (retro) Docbacks!

    by DoctorTom

    The weekly retro Docbacks have definitely been fun, and I'm glad Merrick's willing to do them! <br> We'll be doing the retro DocBacks for a while (I'm sure with a few SJA comments over the next couple of weeks) since we'll have only the Christmas special until next autumn. Still, there's plenty of old Doctor Who stories and plenty of other related stuff to discuss while we wait for new stories.

  • Oct. 7, 2011, 2:56 p.m. CST

    Hey doctortom

    by Michael_Jacksons_Ghost

    Which Doctor did Morrison write? I didn't know he did the Who comics.

  • Oct. 7, 2011, 2:58 p.m. CST

    This is another underrated Who story

    by HornOrSilk

    It's not the best, but it is far from the worst. It has a lot of good concepts and, despite the budget, good executions (though of course, lots of time the execution didn't go so well). The ending episode I think is what makes it remembered less than it should be; this is the story where the adventure is more important than the goal, and the adventure helps explore the diversity allowed in the Who-no-verse. It's grand, some great mini-stories, and an excellent turn away from Daleks by Nation.

  • Oct. 7, 2011, 3:03 p.m. CST

    Season 7 plans still in flux according to Moffat

    by DoctorTom

    All we know is that it will start in the autumn - how many episodes will be shown isn't known yet. He has tweeted before that 14 (including the Christmas Special) will be produced in2012, but beyond that things aren't clear. I wouldn't take this as BBC backing down on their earlier commitment for 14 episodes to be produced, probably more just figuring out whether to run them all at once or to break up the season to fall and after the new year. <br> <br> The short article can be seen at: <br> http://tinyurl.com/6zk5xdp

  • Oct. 7, 2011, 3:04 p.m. CST

    MJ'

    by DoctorTom

  • Morrison wrote some early 7th Doctor stories. I think he also had a story or two with the 6th Doctor.

  • Oct. 7, 2011, 3:05 p.m. CST

    And, hello, mj's ghost and hornorsilk

    by DoctorTom

    I don't have to feel like I'm monologuing now.

  • Oct. 7, 2011, 3:16 p.m. CST

    Happy Whoday! :)

    by The_Mad_Groper

    Thank God for the weekend and our weekly docback! Got a friend coming over this weekend and I think I got him convinced to watch all the nu-who episodes over the next few weeks. I think I've watched WoRS at least 10 times since Sunday now just trying to catch all the little bits I might of missed. It's gonna be a LONG year but well worth the wait!

  • Oct. 7, 2011, 3:21 p.m. CST

    Mad groper!

    by DoctorTom

    I tried watching it tWoRS again last night on Comcast's video on demand. What was listed as episode 6.13, however, actually turned out to be Closing Time. What they listed as episode 6.12 was also Closing Time. Needless to say I was a little peeved. <br> I ended up watching some Misfits instead; I'll go back and watch TWORS this weekend some more.

  • Oct. 7, 2011, 3:26 p.m. CST

    a quick hello.......

    by sam jacksons wig

    ...to all!!!! Not been around for a few days (I found last weeks end of season DocBack a little too unpalatable for my liking) and this is a quick in and out before I post my thoughts on "Marinus" as well as other classic Who I have been fortunate to catch up on, such as "Robot" "Planet of the Spiders" (nice tie in there with Robot) and "The Caves of Androzani" with Peter Davi(d)son (BBBWWWHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!) - which after another watch I found to be QUITE enttertaining!!!! A big shout out to all DocBackers!! Those old, well met, those new- WELCOME!!! See you all soon!!! SJW. p.s- watching those episodes I have noticed a couple of little touches that have been reflected in nu-who!! Marvelous!!!

  • Are you starting with Rose? That's one of the best points to start with, if you don't want to just start him with the start of Matt Smith.

  • Oct. 7, 2011, 3:34 p.m. CST

    Sam!

    by DoctorTom

    Welcome back! See you back here when you post your thoughts on Keys of Marinus and the other classics you mentioned, especially Robot (that one's a sentimental favorite because that's the first Who story I ever saw).

  • Think about the chess puzzle that the McCoy Doctor gave Fenric, and the only move that works getting out of it - white and black pawns working together to topple White. <br> Now, consider the Time War. Time Lords vs. the Daleks. Black vs. White. And what was the one move at the end of the War(game)? The white pawn- the Doctor - works (possibly with the black pawns) to stop White (the Time Lords). <br> In-continuity, does this mean that Fenric learned from his mistakes, and orchestrated the whole Time War just to put the Doctor in the same situation in real life that the Doctor put Fenric's pieces in in that chess game? <br> Also, Bad Wolf is a clue to this - Rose Tyler is a Bad Wolf of Fenric. (Well, maybe not, but it would definitely be an interesting plot twist if they brought her back for an episode). <br> <br> Out of continuity, this just proves that Russell T Davies is at least a Wolf of Fenric if not Fenric himself for doing this.

  • Oct. 7, 2011, 3:42 p.m. CST

    Caves is a CLASSIC

    by HornOrSilk

    Nuff said

  • Oct. 7, 2011, 3:57 p.m. CST

    @ DoctorTom and all...

    by The_Mad_Groper

    Yep, starting with Rose and just gonna watch them all the way thru! The only benefit of buying the season thru iTunes is I get to watch as many times as I want! Kinda makes up for having to wait the extra 12 hours to watch the show.... kinda.... almost.... Sam, Hurry back and join in the conversations! Sorry it took so long to respond. Was trying to figure out how Techland was going to screw up Dead Island today.. and instead of issuing a patch to fix the game.. they just made it so you cant play at all... interesting solution to fixing bugs... lol

  • Oct. 7, 2011, 4:02 p.m. CST

    Time war

    by The_Mad_Groper

    I dont think Doc was working with the Daleks because he put (or so he thought) the entire war in the bubble didn't he? I think he was just doing what he thought was right, as usual, and decided that both sides were totally insane. But I do see what you mean. I'd take it even further and say that the White Guardian and the Black were involved in the whole time war and the Black was manipulating both the Time Lords and the Daleks because in either situation the Black would have gotten what he wanted which was the end of the universe.

  • Oct. 7, 2011, 4:12 p.m. CST

    Mad Groper - your friend

    by DoctorTom

    If you or your friend have an Amazon Prime membership, the season pass for Seasons 1 through 4 and the specials are free. They still charge $1.99/episode for seasons 5 and 6. <br> If you get him hooked at the start and he has the membership, this would make it cheap on him. (Heck, now that I think of it, the normal cost for a season pass on those would cost more than an Amazon Prime membership for a year.)

  • Oct. 7, 2011, 4:18 p.m. CST

    Mad Groper, I'm sure you're right on that about the Time War

    by DoctorTom

    But, it's possible that he might have temporarily gotten some help from the Daleks in order to get the Moment in order to stop the Time Lords. The Doctor knows that the Daleks would turn on him next, though, so he would need to time lock them also. It's not likely, but it's possible. <br> I could see the Guardians involved - there was the comment that higher species got wiped out, so that might have included the Guardians. Manipulating the whole thing would also be the type of thing the Black Guardian would do, just like the Moment - putting things into a stasis through a Time Lock, sounds like the type of thing that might be obtained from the White Guardian (or at least he would have had knowledge of it). <br> I'd as soon leave the Guardians out of the mix just because of the entire Black and White thing (which is kind of like Moorcock's Order and Chaos - if you've read him you see how he favored Order more in earlier works as portraying good, but in more recent work Order has been portrayed more as a bad thing). I'd rather see it be something along the lines of either Fenric or someone else manipulating the whole thing, or Fenric playing someone else like the Celestial Toymaker.

  • Oct. 7, 2011, 4:18 p.m. CST

    Ok, someone mentioned in a previous Docback ...

    by Kevin Bolinger

    complaining about the sonic screwdriver now shooting out green beams of light, I thing it was in Closing Time...I was just watching Rose, and the first time she ever sees the Doctor, he pulls out his sonic to kill the elevator they were just in, and a blue beam of light shorts it out...so, the beams have been established in NuWho since the beginning.

  • Oct. 7, 2011, 4:33 p.m. CST

    good spot, Darthdevious!

    by DoctorTom

    I think that most of us had forgotten about that.

  • Oct. 7, 2011, 5:02 p.m. CST

    KEYS OF MARINUS

    by I am not a number

    I always kinda liked this one, despite the obvious goofs (seeing production staff in the background, the random foot, repeated boom mike shadows -which I notice in a lot of the older episodes such as THE DALEK INVASION OF EARTH, etc). The different settings were pretty entertaining, even though they aren't really explored that thoroughly (understandably given time constraints). When I was a kid, I thought the whole "nature has a tempo of destruction" things was cool, until I realized that was just made up (along with whatever element is "De"). The only part I don't like is them trying to get the final key and the interminable court drama - and that is the longest segment! Always puts me to sleep. I like the first episode which is mostly just them looking around and setting up the story. Plus it is funny watching them act like there is a forcefield around the TARDIS, only to have Susan step in front of Ian and clearly pass through the area that he was previously miming was impassable.

  • Oct. 7, 2011, 5:57 p.m. CST

    This explains everything -- Yikes!

    by unfaithfullyyours

    http://www.deadline.com/2011/10/bbc-slashes-budget-by-1b-a-year-cuts-2000-jobs-scales-back-u-s-imports/

  • Oct. 7, 2011, 6:36 p.m. CST

    Hey to all, and goodnight for now.

    by Michael_Jacksons_Ghost

    I have the kids to bed, now time to work on the comic. Cheers

  • Oct. 7, 2011, 6:39 p.m. CST

    Closing Time docback

    by Seph_J

    is still going strong. Pretty hilarious actually.

  • Oct. 7, 2011, 7:09 p.m. CST

    Damn...

    by blackflowerX

    I really want to give a shit . But I don't anymore.<BR><BR>Doctor Who has shrivelled up and died for me this last 2 years *sob* .

  • Trouble is they continue throw money at ratings hunting crap ... The money they must spend on the dire 'Strictly Come Dancing' ... and why not drop an episode of Eastenders ... imo it is still the most watchable channel on UK TV but there are plenty of areas they could save money but choose not to.

  • Oct. 7, 2011, 7:17 p.m. CST

    Ok, now watching The End of the World

    by Kevin Bolinger

    Did anyone else catch the small tear that falls from The Doctors eye when Jade tells him she is sorry for what happened to his people?

  • Oct. 7, 2011, 8:45 p.m. CST

    Hey everybody.

    by The Transformed Man

    Just checking in before I collapse. I was toying with the idea of watching "The Deadly Assassin" tonight, but I got two hours of sleep last night and have to work tomorrow on my day off, so I don't think I have much left in me tonight.

  • Oct. 7, 2011, 10:28 p.m. CST

    Anybody see the GREY'S ANATOMY DW reference everyone's going on about?

    by The Transformed Man

    Don't know if it was brought up in the previous DocBack.

  • Oct. 7, 2011, 11:51 p.m. CST

    @thetransformedman

    by veteran_of_mu

    http://blogtorwho.blogspot.com/2011/10/who-references-on-greys-anatomy.html

  • Oct. 8, 2011, 12:39 a.m. CST

    Keys of Marinus is one of my favorite first Docs

    by sunspot_mike

    Ya know, those black and white Whos sometimes have a bunch of filler when you watch the American-edited "movie" versions, but when watched an episode at a time (when I saw this one it was an episode every weekday) they're brilliant. I loved Keys of Marinus when I first saw it when I was 12. Even the courtroom scene. And what a brutal ending, if this is what kids were watching in the 60's, no wonder they elected The Iron Maiden by the time the 80's rolled around. Is there any kids show that kills people off so indiscriminately? Ya know, I think the original Trek where Kirk, Spock, and McCoy are rolling around through the history of an alien planet is totally influenced by Terry Nation's once-again awesome writing. Remember the scene with Spock and McCoy in the snowy cave? That doesn't remind you of this serial?

  • 6 days on the trot, pulling ridiculous 13/14 hours shifts. It's like the world decided to get sick all at fucking once!!! Do I think that the Doc should be played by Chuck Norris??? I belive that as soon as the regeneration took place, all the evils of the universe would commit mass suicide in fear of some good ol' fashioned Texas Ranger ASS-WHOOPIN' And I could imagine the Tardis decked out in ropes and cattle brands....... and shitting itself every time Chuck decided to step inside.

  • Oct. 8, 2011, 2:05 a.m. CST

    DocTom-

    by sam jacksons wig

    Wow!!! Yeah, been a hectic few days. As I type I have not slept for (drum roll please) 42 hours and am now "Beyond Tired..." ...although this Scotch & Coke should help loosen things up a bit. I didn't really post much during the last DocBack as I strated to get irritated by some of the negativity on there (hey, everyone is entitled to have a moan and a gripe- I've done it!!!) and it's not being constructive, and also an argument started with an uber-troll named "MDear" until I reported him and Merrick nuked his ass. I absolutely adored the final episode. It was a thing of sheer wonderfullness and brilliance. I certainly didn't mind the nagging bits left to one side as what we received was of such a high standard I was amazed. So much so that I want to be standing on the plains of Trenzalore with Matt Smith this very instant. And if you'd ask me, the fall of the 11th MIGHT just mean something more than regeneration for my new favourite timelord. I hope you are well!!! I shall share my thoughts on some classic Who in another post. SJW.

  • Oct. 8, 2011, 2:41 a.m. CST

    HORN!!!!! BWWWHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!!!......

    by sam jacksons wig

    Davi(d)son (IT NEVER gets old for me!!!) - was fantastic in Androzani. At the very end of his tenure, he pulled off some amazing work. Peri was at her ultimate hottest, and let's face it, she was fucking FINE!!! Orange shorts and an open cleavage white shirt; it's almost as if Robert Holmes had all of his wet dreams rolled into one when he wrote for the character. (although I'm sure he didn't choose the garments!!) Davi(d)sons (I will be doing that quite alot I'm afraid!!) put down att the very begining when Peri decides to try and use sarcasm is actually pitch perfect for his Doctor- slightly condecending but warm-hearted at the same time. It is these little flourishes along with a fantastic performance in the final act that brought out the very best in a Doctor destined to become almost mediocre in Who-lore. He certainly deserved more than that. People need to revisit this episode and reflect on just how good Davi(d)son (BBWWHAHAHAHAHAHA!!! Told you!) was. I found a new respect for him after all of this time I really never thought i would. During his capture scene you can clearly see an underlying menace and rage in his eyes, as if he is merely being tolerant of his predicament before making his decisive move to free himself and his companion. Ultimately, curiosiy being his downfall, he pays the ultimate price in a beautiful pre-regeneration scene which is one of the better even to this day. AS for the episode- it had a Total Recall feel to it. Trying to explain that statement is difficult, suffice to say that I kept thinking of the Schwarzenegger movie as I watched and it seemed to fit. All in all, a glorious revisit to an episode that is a treasure in the Who archives. My friend, I hope that you are in the best of health!!!! A privilege to speak to you once again. SJW.

  • Oct. 8, 2011, 3:59 a.m. CST

    Sam -- yes, Peter's greatness

    by HornOrSilk

    You can see it in a few stories of his. I actually find only a few stories of his to be on the "bad side" of the Doctor Who spectrum, but most are not on the "great side," but just "average." He needed more stories like this (as you say) to help push him beyond Tom Baker. It's clear, this is one of the reasons why he left the show.. he just didn't get the right stories. Big Finish have helped, though they didn't help him as much as Colin who really got to shine. Caves also shows one of the strengths of Doctor Who: it can take a classic story and do it Doctor Who fashion, and make it feel new even if everyone knows its source (SM did that with Christmas Carol to great success). I also like the foreboding throughout the whole story. When the Doctor knows his time is limited, he pushes himself and shows the truth of the Matt Smith Doctor when he says the worst thing to do is to put the Doctor in a trap. It's when he is desperate when he really becomes dangerous. As for my health, it's same old; hope your and that of your family is well.

  • Oct. 8, 2011, 4 a.m. CST

    sunspot_mike I too like the courtroom scene

    by HornOrSilk

  • Oct. 8, 2011, 5:58 a.m. CST

    3 Docbacks in the top 10. Now THAT is a record and no mistake!!!!!

    by sam jacksons wig

  • Oct. 8, 2011, 8:01 a.m. CST

    chucknorris.....

    by sam jacksons wig

    Picture the scene...... The Tardis lands, its familiar sound filtering through the morning fog far away on an alien world. It comes to rest, a magnificent oddity amongst the strange foilage. A group of curious aliens garbed in white shrouds take their first tentative steps towards the blue box that has appeared as if from no-where. They huddle en masse and sniff the air, approaching with a caution matched only by their curiosity. A crack appears in the entrance, and is.... RIPPED WIDE FUCKING OPEN TO REVEAL BRADDOCK!!!- MISSING IN AC TION NO MORE AS HE BLASTS THE LIVING FUCK-HOLE OUT OF THOSE COMMIE LOVIN' ALIEN SONS OF BASTARDS!!!!! Changing his shirt for the 9th time, Braddock smiles from the side of his mouth and slowly receeds back into the depths of the strange blue box. He is satisfied. None live. SJW.

  • Oct. 8, 2011, 9 a.m. CST

    Planet of the Spiders......

    by sam jacksons wig

    ...a few years ago in Britain they aired a TV show called "Bottom"- a low brow sitcom (of sorts) about 2 toe-rags living in Hammersmith, played by Rik Mayal and Adrian Edmonson of "The Young Ones" fame. In one particular episode, Eddie & Richie (so their characters were called) decide to raid the local shop they live above after a disasterous tenure trying to run the thing, and they then abscond to the roof of the building for more tomfoolery. Once there, Richie declares that he is part Red Indian and goes by the name "Dances with the Wind." Erm.... where is all of this going SJW, you may ask?? Well, the silly bastard decides, on a bet (before a seagull ((In Hammersmith????)) shits in his face) to try and perform a raindance, and the particular chant he uses went something like this.... Om malapapion Om malapapion Om malapapion.... Now, I KNEW I had heard thatt bloody chant somewhere before, and then it clicked..... ...it's amazing the resonance that Who has had; that it can invade a gutter humour show. The series of episodes, for me, have not aged well. There are many points in them that retrospectively are a load of old nonsense...... Sarah Jane disappearing infront of the Queen spiders guards by putting on a head dress. Gareth Hunt hiding in a hut, and NONE of the Queens guards decide to kick the door in. the Great One living in a cave that kills living matter and being immune to it herself, whilst it kills a Timelord. Four men trying to get into a room, who simply stop and begin to chant to increase their power, whilst the fellow guarding the room stands by and does erm...well, nothing really. The overall premise was okay, and I could get the idea that the spiders controlled men by taking over their minds, but surely a mass attack would have been more than sufficient to wipe out most of the arachnids, leaving it years before others evolved??? One thing I also liked was the nod in Turn Left. "You have something on your back...." was a cunning little wink to the Pertwee finale. He did manage to go out gracefully, realising that he was a vain old man who comes to terms with what he fears the most. I just wish that his final moments were more than standing infront of an unconvincing giant spider as it glows from blue to red and finally explodes. For a Doctor who exemplified action, it was a pretty puny way to go. SJW.

  • Oct. 8, 2011, 9:24 a.m. CST

    Sorry to disabuse you Sam but ...

    by veteran_of_mu

    Like Cho Je said, the meaning of meaning is the last barrier to understanding ... Om Manipadme Hum is a traditional Tibetan Buddhist mantra dating back (at least) many centuries. http://www.dharma-haven.org/tibetan/meaning-of-om-mani-padme-hung.htm has quite a lot about it. As for Planet of the Spiders - I loved it as a child. Tommy is really one of the best characters ever invented on Who - he'd make a great companion. Hmm. You know I really need to pick a companion for Thyrsus ... I haven't watched POTS for yonks but I have the distinct impression Tommy died. Then again I recall he got a lot of super powers before dying so maybe ...

  • Oct. 8, 2011, 9:36 a.m. CST

    Have we done a favourite regeneration scene yet ?

    by dj_bollocks

    Probably Davison into Baker Mk 2...

  • Oct. 8, 2011, 10:04 a.m. CST

    SJW - Fall of the 11th

    by Merrick

    ** And if you'd ask me, the fall of the 11th MIGHT just mean something more than regeneration for my new favourite timelord. ** Ok, I'm asking...

  • Oct. 8, 2011, 10:58 a.m. CST

    Merrick-

    by sam jacksons wig

    Bonjour!!! Ca Va??? I am simply implying (as let's face it, none of us have a shred of a clue) that our main man the Moff is a bit of a bugger when it comes to pulling the rug out from under us. This early in the Trenzalore mythos, it would seem a bit strange to mark the days of the current Doctor and his run, which leads me to believe that the fall of the 11th might mean something else rather than Matt Smiths incarnation dying and regenerating. (ooooh if it were so!!!) Then again, it may be just that. Guaranteed I will be there on the edge of my fucking seat along with the rest of you!!

  • Oct. 8, 2011, 11 a.m. CST

    caractacus......

    by sam jacksons wig

    ...ahhh!! Well, you learn something new every day, eh??? Not very versed in Buddist Laws etc. Still, a great tie in with Planet of the Spiders!!! Wait until I get to "Robot" and mention the jewellers eye glass Tom Baker wears whilst inspecting a crushed dandelion. Closing Time, anyone?????? SJW.

  • Oct. 8, 2011, 11 a.m. CST

    For those suffering withdrawal symptoms

    by 2LeggedFreak

    I've just started reading some of the 11th Doctor books and they're not bad. Just read Touched by an Angel ---not a good thing bearing in mind the kind of Angel we are talking about. Anyway these things look as though they'll keep me going until next season. Worth a look

  • Oct. 8, 2011, 11:01 a.m. CST

    chucknorris......

    by sam jacksons wig

    Even computers are frightened to display words in the presence of the Chuckernator!!!! The posts have simply hidden in terror.......

  • Oct. 8, 2011, 11:02 a.m. CST

    all this Chuck Norris as the Doctor talk...

    by Greg

    is bringing a smile to my face and a tear of joy to my eye. Yes, real men cry. Even Chuck Norris.

  • Oct. 8, 2011, 11:03 a.m. CST

    DJ Bollocks......

    by sam jacksons wig

    ...would agree regarding the regen scene. It was very powerful and emotional, before the pomp of Colin Bakers first lines.

  • Oct. 8, 2011, 11:07 a.m. CST

    Chuck Norris as the first Doctor.....

    by sam jacksons wig

    ...decides that black and white isn't fucking good enough and sprays the sets with arterial blood from a thousand gooks crushed under his mighty feet!!!!!

  • Oct. 8, 2011, 11:08 a.m. CST

    Chuck Norris as the second Doctor....

    by sam jacksons wig

    ...destroys a bear the size of a mountain using only the tip of his mighty tongue and moulds it into a fur coat using the hair from his arse cheeks...

  • Oct. 8, 2011, 11:15 a.m. CST

    Chuck Norris as the third Doctor....

    by sam jacksons wig

    ..takes the name of "Pert Wee" as a metaphor for all of the virgins he has plundered whilst blitzcreiging their men using only the sweat from his chest hair....

  • Oct. 8, 2011, 11:21 a.m. CST

    The Fall of the 11? 11th?

    by The_Mad_Groper

    Was I mistaken or did Dorium say the fall of the 11 and then later say the fall of the 11th? If it was the fall of the 11, that could mean some VERY awesome stuff with the 5th comming up dontcha think?

  • Oct. 8, 2011, 11:22 a.m. CST

    Chuck Norris as the fourth Doctor....

    by sam jacksons wig

    ..weaves a scarf from the fabric of the universe while he's taking a well earned shit, and uses it to lassoo entire civilisations (erm...the scarf, not the shit.... although with Chuck that would almost certainly be a possibility..)

  • Oct. 8, 2011, 11:51 a.m. CST

    Chuck Norris as the fifth Doctor....

    by sam jacksons wig

    ..decides that he fucking hates this and the 6th and 7th incarnations so he rips a hole open in time using the air from his nostrils, strides over the primordial ooze and beats the living be-jesus out of his future selves while his future selves go back in time and beat the living SHITE out of his past selves while his future self decides enough is enough and that he wont allow his past selves to manhandle him in this way and that enough is enough while his future selves cause a paradox loop in which Chuck Norris fights several versions of himself for all time and DESTROYS THE KNOWN UNIVERSE!!!!!!! AAnnnnnnnnnd....that's quite enough of that.

  • Oct. 8, 2011, 11:59 a.m. CST

    Fall of the 11

    by HornOrSilk

    To me, I thought it probably was some sort of special ship destroyed (like the Titanic), or maybe something like the 11th legion... but it could be the end of the 11th Doctor... or it could be the 11th Doctor becomes a megalomaniac who tries to rule the universe, and he falls from power...

  • Oct. 8, 2011, 12:13 p.m. CST

    in all seriousness

    by Greg

    I've tried to get into a few of the Classic Who on Netflix and just wasn't feeling it. However, I own the Five Doctors and The 96 movie on DVD and enjoyed them both (for different reasons). I know there have been good recommendations on these Docbacks in the past, any particular episodes I should be seeking out knowing that I did enjoy the Five Doctors and the 96 movie (and yes I realize it must seem strange that I enjoyed the 96 movie)?

  • I can't see him as the Doctor, it makes me laugh thinking about it. No way the Cybermen will be deleting him!!!!! LOL

  • I remember watching it on PBS years ago and thought it was one of the better William Hartnell Who stories. As for the "visual goofs", they never bothered me.

  • How do we know this? Because in the Gamma Forests, Doctor becomes synonymous with Great Warrior. There is no warrior greater than Chuck Norris.

  • Oct. 8, 2011, 1:09 p.m. CST

    It depends upon why you liked them -- but

    by HornOrSilk

    I would suggest maybe "The Three Doctors" and "The Two Doctors," being multi-Doctor stories. "City of Death" is a classic and probably would be enjoyed. "The Deadly Assassin" is interesting and might tie in to something you like.

  • Oct. 8, 2011, 1:10 p.m. CST

    Fall of the 11th

    by DoctorTom

    Right now I'm convinced that Moffat's laid in the clues already for this to happen. <br> River knows the Doctor's name. There's only one time he could tell her that. (Silence in the Library). <br> On the fields of Trenzalore, at the fall of the 11th, where nobody can tell a lie... (prediction of the 11th Doctor's death) <br> Asking the question means Silence will have to fall. (Dorium in TWORS). <br> He didn't realize before that Silence will Fall meant his own personal silence (Doctor in TWORS). <br> If he can only tell his name when he's dying, and you're forced to tell the truth on the fields of Trenzalore, then if the question is asked and he answers with his true name, he has to be dying. And I'm predicting River will be there to hear it. She might be the only one to hear it, nothing about telling the truth requires you to bellow it at the top of your lungs. <br> <br> Now, that doesn't necessarily mean that the 11th Doctor has to die there, just that he falls. He might die and get better with the same body (pulling the old Season 4 trick) or get out of it another way (he lied to River when he said she had used up all her regeneration energy, and she finds some more to bring him back from the dead there). It will depend on when Moffat feels like pulling this trigger, and if Matt Smith wants to stay on as the Doctor after that as to whether there's a regeneration into a new Doctor. I suspect we'll see this for the 50th anniversary story. <br> Of course, if that's when Matt Smith decides to leave, then it probably means we see Matt Smith die in the 50th anniversary story and regenerate, and have the first adventure of the next Doctor for the Christmas special. Unless the Fields of Trenzalore IS the Christmas special then.

  • Oct. 8, 2011, 1:10 p.m. CST

    The Fall of the 11 Revealed

    by HornOrSilk

    The Doctor meets Chuck Norris. They have a Judo match. The Doctor falls.

  • Oct. 8, 2011, 1:11 p.m. CST

    actually, Sam, for Chuck Norris as the third Doctor,

    by DoctorTom

    He was the one who taught Aikido to the Venusians, not the other way around.

  • Oct. 8, 2011, 1:24 p.m. CST

    Chucknorrissayshi

    by DoctorTom

    the boards were burning me yesterday or the day before trying to use even single apostrophes to indicate quotations. When that happens, I just go and do something like: <br> - use this to indicate someone speaking (or quoting from a post when I'm typing a reply) <br> <br> I also take the precaution on long posts to select the entire post and copy it in case it doesn't take it right, so I can paste it into another comment box and make alterations that might let the thing post in its entirety. Hope these suggestions help; I can guess that you're getting frustrated by the board screwing with you.

  • Oct. 8, 2011, 2:35 p.m. CST

    Finally watched the DW Confidential for episode 13

    by DoctorTom

    I have to say, Death is the Only Answer wasn't bad at all! Plus, we had the return of the fez, so that's cool. <br> The Story of River Song was also good, laying out events in order from her point of view. That alone makes having something like Confidential around worth it.

  • Oct. 8, 2011, 3:02 p.m. CST

    @DoctorTom - Again, Moffat is being misquoted.

    by V'Shael

    Please, when it comes to stuff like this, there's absolutely no reason in the world not to go the source, and look what the man himself said, instead of some .... *journalist*, (and I use the term with great distaste.) https://twitter.com/#!/steven_moffat Doctor Who: someone's been selectively quoting me again. When I say I don't know how many eps, it's AT LEAST 14.

  • Oct. 8, 2011, 3:04 p.m. CST

    Fall of the 11

    by The_Mad_Groper

    What I was thinking was if he did say 11 and not 11th, and it being the 50th anniversary... the fall of ALL 11! Not just the 11th being on the field of Trenzalore but all 11 incarnations! Now THAT would be somethin to see!

  • Oct. 8, 2011, 3:11 p.m. CST

    thanks, v'shael

    by DoctorTom

    I didn't see them cutting back on episodes, and they have committed to 14 already.

  • Oct. 8, 2011, 3:26 p.m. CST

    RE: Grey's Anatomy (thetransformedman )

    by James Taylor

    Well, I guess it's safe to come back for the foreseeable future - I found myself avoiding the Docbacks while the show was actually on as some of you lot are preternaturally good at guessing what will happen next ;) Anyway, I saw the Grey's clip on youtube, and it basically consisted of a chap dressed as a Hobbit stating that the chaos at the Comics Convention was caused by limited addition signed TARDIS models or somesuch. He got one apparently, I hope it was worth his broken toes ;) However I don't know how many of you watch Supernatural, but I'm fairly sure one of the characters going by the alias Amy Pond was not a coincidence. Two references to Who on US TV in a week - that has to be a new record ;)

  • Oct. 8, 2011, 6:43 p.m. CST

    FYI y'all - In Fridays episode of Supernatural

    by V'Shael

    Jewel Staite played a monster who had taken the alias Amy Pond. Sam replies Cute name, when he finds out. :) I wonder if the writer is a fan, or if that's just coincidence.

  • Oct. 8, 2011, 6:44 p.m. CST

    @hqn - I didn't see your post

    by V'Shael

    I only did a search for Pond after I posted, to see if anyone else had noticed. My bad.

  • Oct. 8, 2011, 9:14 p.m. CST

    Anyone? AnyWHO?

    by DrMorbius

    know if the complete 6th season will be out on DVD, I saw the first half season in the store and it was more than I paid for the full season5. If not, I will have to resort to more nefarious means in acquiring the current season! doctortom? sjw? axcel1? Anyone?

  • Oct. 8, 2011, 9:35 p.m. CST

    hornorsilk

    by Greg

    Thank you for the reply. Three Doctors was one of the ones I watched on Netflix that I didn't like that much, but for some reason I really got into the Five Doctors. I'll check out the other three you mentioned.

  • Oct. 8, 2011, 11:46 p.m. CST

    DW Experience

    by ShadowTiger

    Merrick, I actually went to see the DW Experience yesterday (and as I type this tonight, I'm sitting back at home in Austin!) I thought it was pretty good. The opening interactive part is obviously geared for younger folk but I caught myself grinning stupidly standing in the TARDIS. The rest of the exhibits were pretty good, but I was a little disappointed (only a little!) that there wasn't as much stuff from Classic DW - it was maybe 80% New Who. Also was a little disappointed they didn't have anything special for Liz or Nicholas. However, everything they do have is great. If you happened to see the Star Trek Experience in Vegas, I think this was better, but in the same ballpark. Definitely not something to miss. And my boys went to bed tonight with brand new sonic screwdrivers :)

  • Oct. 9, 2011, 12:55 a.m. CST

    it would be unfortunate if..

    by dj_bollocks

    The fall of the 11th was an unfortunate and very public heavy tripping by the Doctor... And wouldn't Silence fall if either no one knew who he was anymore (a bit Fringe) or if no one was able to say his name...

  • Oct. 9, 2011, 3:42 a.m. CST

    drmorbius - are we talking about WHO or Supernatural???...

    by sam jacksons wig

    If Supernatural, then the 6th Series first half is available in UK stores priced £19.97. However, I picked up the full series from ebay.co.uk on US import and it only cost me £14.00 with p&p free!! Supernatural is still airing the remaining episodes (6 left I think) of series 6 on satellite TV. Series 7 has begun in the US and they've just had episode 3. By the way, the episode "The man who would be king" in series 6 Supernatural, for me, is the very best one that has ever aired. Wonderful. As for Who- part 2 of series 6 will be available on vanilla discs October 10th. It will be priced around £17 for 2 discs. We will get a complete release of series 6 in late November (21st I think) complete with all extras on Blu/DVD with the prices ranging from £38 for DVD and £49 for Blu. I have posted a link so you can see some of the exclusive artwork for S6 Blu-Ray release. http://www.play.com/Search.html?searchtype=allproducts&searchsource=0&searchstring=doctor+who+series+6 Hope you are well mate!!!!! SJW.

  • Oct. 9, 2011, 3:51 a.m. CST

    The DW experience......

    by sam jacksons wig

    ...as of yet I have not been there. I am glad it is running until February as this means I might get a chance to make it there. For all of those next year who may be thinking of checking out "The Crash of the Elysium" when it returns during the London Olympics, I cannot recommend it more highly!!! A superb hour spent in a wonderful interactive experience that will blow your mind (let's hope they put on the adult evening showing!!!). My kids came out grinning like cheshire cats, as did myself and my wife!!! It cost (if I remember rightly) over £100 for the 4 of us, but was well worth every bloody penny! I will not spoil it here (there are many sites out there where you can get a spoiler review should you wish such an abomination), but if you're shy and don't wish to interract, then this may not be your thing. SJW.

  • ...and after a cursory kiss on the cheek has gone to the DVD wall (yes, I have a whole wall dedicated to DVDs) and selected "The Next Doctor." (specials boxset) I am smiling. Dad couldn't be prouder.!!!!!!

  • ..I believe I have been more nice than naughty this year!!!! http://www.kidstoysreview.co.uk/dr-who/dr-who-character-building-11-doctors-micro-figures.html I HAVE TO HAVE THESE!!!! YES!!!!! SJW.

  • I would love a real-working sonic screwdriver for Christmas!

  • Oct. 9, 2011, 8:04 a.m. CST

    axcel- that would be cooooooooooool.......

    by sam jacksons wig

    ..I have a toy replica of the 10th docs bought for me by my kids a while back. I have already purchased the 11th docs screwdriver for my youngest for Xmas. A real working sonic would be 7 shades of awesomeness!!!! Imagine the fun!!!

  • Oct. 9, 2011, 8:08 a.m. CST

    Doctom-

    by sam jacksons wig

    The venusians are no more....... destroyed in a millisecond by a blink of chucks mighty eyelashes!!!!

  • Oct. 9, 2011, 10:59 a.m. CST

    SJW ........Doctor WHO

    by DrMorbius

    Sorry for the confusion, meant Series instead of Season. Thanks for the response, as I live across the pond, and that they will be available in 'jolly old', I shall conduct a search here in the States for said release. Wassail ...

  • Oct. 9, 2011, 12:30 p.m. CST

    DrMorbius - they'll be out here in the States in November

    by DoctorTom

    the bare bones season 6 part 2 will be out Nov 8. The complete Season 6 box set, with extras in it, will be out November 22. <br> And, if you can't wait for them and don't have them on your video on demand (Xfinity has all of season 5 and 6, except for the last episode of season 6 - it says 6.13 but actually contains 6.12 :( ), you can get a season pass for them at Amazon or iTunes.

  • Oct. 9, 2011, 1:28 p.m. CST

    Sam - Chuck Norris as the Doctor

    by DoctorTom

    There wouldn't have been a Time War because he would have whupped the Daleks and sent them home crying for Davros. Then, Davros would submit when he gazed on the aura of power that the Chuck Norris Doctor emanates.

  • Oct. 9, 2011, 3:32 p.m. CST

    Amy Pond just turned up in Supernatural

    by ComicGuru

    She was being played by Jewel Staite. I almost completely drowned my cat in coffee. LOL

  • >>>Which Doctor did Morrison write? I didn't know he did the Who comics. <<<< Yep those stories were released by IDW recently as Grant Morrisons Doctor Who. Pick em up from your local comic shop or alternatively online from mine. Google comic guru and look em up.

  • Oct. 9, 2011, 3:45 p.m. CST

    comicguru... you JUST beat me to it.

    by gotilk

    LOL! I loved it. Amy Pond on Supernatural.

  • Oct. 9, 2011, 3:46 p.m. CST

    Hey everyone!!

    by gotilk

    I'm back. Just couldn't find the time for a couple of days. Love ya all. Miss ya all. Be well.

  • Oct. 9, 2011, 3:46 p.m. CST

    oh

    by gotilk

    and one more for the road.

  • Oct. 9, 2011, 3:46 p.m. CST

    Make that

    by gotilk

    2.

  • Oct. 9, 2011, 4:11 p.m. CST

    comicguru

    by gotilk

    and now I must visit a comics shop. Gotta have them all!

  • Chuck Norris as the Doctor would look great wearing the stetson and the long coat! (I still get a laugh seeing Chuck Norris as the Doctor!!)

  • Oct. 10, 2011, 6:42 a.m. CST

    Gotlik

    by ComicGuru

    >>LOL! I loved it. Amy Pond on Supernatural. << My cats been giving me the evil eye ever since. It was a great episode as well. Very very dark stuff for Sam. Back to Hartnell. Keys Of Marinus was one of the earliest Doctor Who Novelisations that I ever bought for myself. Brilliant stuff.

  • Oct. 10, 2011, 9:33 a.m. CST

    Various and Sundry Comments

    by ByTor

    Hey gang. Missed the last docback, but I didn't get to watch WoRS until late Sunday, and by that time the docback was so huge I couldn't keep up. Anyway...Keys of Marinus. I like the concept, but I think (like many older episodes) it could stand some editing. Still, it's one of Terry Nations' better offerings, and I enjoy watching it from time to time. The main cast turns in a very solid performance, and there are some nice character moments. Did anyone catch the Doctor Who reference on Criminal Minds this week? Some nutjob shoots up an office full of people. Early on they realize one employee is missing, and they wonder if he is either (A) the killer, or (B) been kidnapped by the killer. Later, one of the agents comes up and says they've confirmed that he was on a planned vacation day, attending a Doctor Who convention in San Diego. At this point, the nerdy FBI agent (Dr. Spencer Reed, played by Matthew Gray Gubler) says something along the lines of >>Ooh, I'm jealous; that's supposed to be a fantastic convention. Well, I laughed, anyway.

  • Oct. 10, 2011, 9:54 a.m. CST

    bytor, welcome back!

    by DoctorTom

    I'd agree that this is one of Nation's better stories. Really, after his first 3 stories it kind of petered out with all the 3rd Doctor Dalek stories, and took Robert Holmes giving him a metaphorical kick up the backside to not submit essentially the same script a 4th time but to go back and have a rethink. If it wasn't for Holmes prodding him we wouldn't have had Genesis of the Daleks. I think Holmes still had a large hand in the script, and that he wasn't as involved with The Android Invasion (a more typical Nation story). <br> <br> Go ahead, just because the Wedding of River Song thread got large doesn't mean you're not allowed to talk about what you thought of it in this thread. Go ahead, we're interested.

  • Oct. 10, 2011, 10:38 a.m. CST

    Thanks, doctortom!

    by ByTor

    Agreed about Nation. Of course, Holmes' footprint can be found on most all of the stories during his tenure as script editor, but in particular Genesis feels like more of a Holmes story than a Nation one. No coincidence, I suppose, that it's also the best Nation-scripted story in the show's history. Overall I enjoyed WoRS, but I had some issues. Once again, we have plenty of things unanswered (why did the TARDIS blow up in S5, why did the Teselecta start to emit regeneration energy, etc.) and new ones. On the one hand, I like not having everything wrapped up, but on the other hand, the show's starting to feel like Lost. And don't get me wrong: I like Lost a lot. But Doctor Who is not Lost. Eventually if you don't get answers you can start to get irritated with a show, and I feel that might not be too far away for me. Also, I'm not a fan of the Doctor being some kind of legend or God. To suggest that Doctor Who is the OLDEST question in the universe makes no sense to me at all. Then again, Moffat is a master plotter. My guess is that he will keep dropping tidbits, stringing me along, all building to the end of Matt Smith's (and Moffat's?) tenure, whereupon we'll get the big payoff. You can see he's laying the seeds for this, with the mentions of the fall of the 11th. And I will say that WoRS was a much better finale than last year's. I do need to rewatch WoRS again for closer analysis, which I will try and do within the next day or two, work permitting. Also, I do remember that I promised to share convention stories once we got back to the classic docbacks. I'll post one a bit later involving the late, great Patrick Troughton.

  • Oct. 10, 2011, 12:03 p.m. CST

    The Oldest Question in the Universe

    by DoctorTom

    Someone had a good point in the previous thread about the oldest question in the Universe. In TWORS, River sent out that emergency distress signal that went across the universe (the regular universe, it was outside the bubble of effect at that point where all time was happening at once), and that the message went into the past and the future, and the message said that the Doctor needs your help. <br> So, that message was around at the beginning of the Universe. There's been plenty of advanced races and beings that would have been around then, so if one of those had picked up the message and didn't know who the Doctor was, his natural response might be Doctor Who? <br> It's also possible that with a TARDIS, the Doctor can go back in time to get close to Event 1, and someone might ask that. (Granted, it might be as likely that the first question was How Do We Make This TARDIS Stop from crashing into Event 1?, or Where Is Adric?, but I don't think they're going to do a call back to Castrovalva for this). <br> <br> Another option is what's talked about in the extras on Silver Nemesis, where they tried dropping hints about the Doctor's past, and the question was Who are you really, Doctor? (The writer of Silver Nemesis wrote it from the standpoint that the Doctor was God.)

  • Oct. 10, 2011, 12:06 p.m. CST

    Daleks and Yeti and Voord, oh my!

    by DoctorTom

    Well, we got one out of the three in The Keys of Marinus, for menacing villains I think this serial drew the short straw. The brains in the jars were more menacing, actually. (Plus, brains in jars are cool. Just ask Morbius.)

  • Oct. 10, 2011, 12:55 p.m. CST

    doctortom

    by DrMorbius

    Very appreciative for the info ... C'mon November ... Good thing that episode wasn't titled ... The Keys to URANUS!!!

  • Oct. 10, 2011, 12:59 p.m. CST

    Silver Nemesis

    by ByTor

    I suspect the real intent there was to tie in to the Cartmel Masterplan, right? The idea that the Doctor was more than just a mere Time Lord, and the hints that he was around during the time of Omega and Rassilon. There were also mentions of an Other, and hints that the Doctor might or might not be the Other (though I'm pretty sure that Cartmel later said he wasn't). I wasn't nuts about that plan, because to me the Doctor was (and is) more heroic precisely because he's just a Time Lord. Immensely clever, sure, and brave and brilliant and all that. But not a superhero. So that's why this concerns me. You offer up some interesting theories...and again, Moffat is a master plotter. I just hope this isn't heading down some path where the Doctor is some greatly-important figure that goes back to the beginning of time. This has already been hinted at -- River says we get the word Doctor from him. I didn't like that either, and it doesn't hold water anyway. (Every language? Really? Where did everyone hear it? And so on.) Maybe I'm just overthinking this. :)

  • Oct. 10, 2011, 1:03 p.m. CST

    dr morbius - that's true

    by DoctorTom

    -Good thing that episode wasn't titled ... (RANUS!!! <br> <br> That's especially true in the case of a Terry Nation story. He calls a water planet Marinus, a desert planet Aridius, and a planet with a penal colony Desperus (playing off the word Desperate, I suppose). So, if I were a character in a Terry Nation story and heard that we needed to go to the planet Uranus, I think I'd just pass. Then again, Nation would probably use a different name <br> <br> -Doctor, why was the planet called Colonius? Was it because of the first colony settling here <br> -Well, Ian, er, not exactly. The founder of planet said the planet looked like the results of his last colonoscopy.

  • Oct. 10, 2011, 1:10 p.m. CST

    bytor - the Cartmel Masterplan

    by DoctorTom

    at the time it was to just put a bunch more mystery into the Doctor. Aaranovich worked the Trinity of Rassilon, Omega and the Other into his novelization of Remembrance of the Daleks (that would have been a nice one to have rereleased, but they were going for stories only from the first 3 Doctors). A lot of people ran with that idea when it came time for the New Adventures, partly because it also offered a reasonable explanation for why Rassilon is the one remembered for almost everything in Time Lord history even though Omega was the one to give them time travel. <br> (Parenthetical side note/question: Considering that there is the Untempered Schism on Gallifrey, couldn't they have just done their initial time travel experiments tying a very long line to a Time Lord in a space suit and have him jump into the Vortex, then pull him back?) <br> Kevin Clarke stated he had based Silver Nemesis on the idea that the Doctor was God, and that JN-T was okay with it as long as you didn't come out and explicitly state that.

  • Oct. 10, 2011, 1:14 p.m. CST

    As for the Doctor being a greatly important person

    by DoctorTom

    Let's face it, he is. How many times has he saved Earth? Or the universe? The joke in The Curse of Fatal Death about the Doctor retiring because he's saved every world at least 17 times is funnier because it's true when you get down to it. <br> So, it's not surprising that he's left marks here and there. I actually liked the bit about River saying we got the word Doctor from him (and given the TARDIS translation circuits, each different person hears it in their native language). It's a nice little twist that helps to emphasize that he needs to step back in the shadows a bit, and work behind the scenes, something that he hasn't really done since, oh, Frontios (and probably Hartnell or Troughton before that story).

  • Oct. 10, 2011, 2:54 p.m. CST

    Hey Guys, did you see the new toy article yet?

    by Michael_Jacksons_Ghost

    They have an 11th Doctor that is awesome!!!

  • Oct. 10, 2011, 3:05 p.m. CST

    Hmm, Doctortom

    by ByTor

    I dunno. Yeah, the joke in Curse of Fatal Death is funny, but really stop and think about it. He's been traveling for ~700 years, right? That's a finite number of days he can save some civilization to the point that they would adopt his name as the word for healer. Now, on Earth alone he'd have to do this to several root languages, separately since they developed more or less separately. (E.g. he might inspire the Greeks, and the Greeks might even pass this on to the Romans, who then pass it on to the descendant languages such as French and Spanish...but what about English? Chinese? Hindi?) Now multiply this by the number of worlds in the Universe (NOT GALAXY -- UNIVERSE) with spoken languages...well it just doesn't seem feasible.

  • Oct. 10, 2011, 3:54 p.m. CST

    MJ's Ghost - haven't seen the article yet

    by DoctorTom

    do you have a link for it?

  • Oct. 10, 2011, 3:57 p.m. CST

    bytor - we don't really know how old the Doctor is

    by DoctorTom

    remember the third Doctor started to say he had been around for several thousand...... iso he could be lying about his age to this point, trying to make himself seem younger. <br> <br> Besides, it doesn't take 700 years for some word to catch on. Have you blown your nose with a Kleenex lately? Or xerox'd something? Or googled something on the net?

  • Oct. 10, 2011, 4:06 p.m. CST

    doctom

    by Michael_Jacksons_Ghost

    AICN frontpage, second article.

  • Glad, Doctor Who makes it to pop cultural references for US TV. Anyway: You should watch Supernatural, Supernatural is cool!

  • Oct. 10, 2011, 4:31 p.m. CST

    MJ's Ghost - it's nice, but I'm not convinced it's $200 nice

    by DoctorTom

  • Oct. 10, 2011, 4:41 p.m. CST

    Your right Doctom.

    by Michael_Jacksons_Ghost

    My wife would kill me if I paid that much for a "doll". Now, if I was stinking rich....maybe $100 dollars for it.

  • Oct. 10, 2011, 4:41 p.m. CST

    The main problem with Supernatural

    by DoctorTom

    is that it's on against Fringe, and the CW doesn't do video on demand on Comcast. If they scheduled it a little differently I might have watched more.

  • Oct. 10, 2011, 4:49 p.m. CST

    About "Amy Pond" on Supernatural...

    by Michael_Jacksons_Ghost

    I thought it was cool that the mechanic from Firefly played her.

  • Oct. 10, 2011, 5:05 p.m. CST

    Jewel Staite is indeed a Jewel!

    by wtriker1701

    Very sexy!

  • Oct. 10, 2011, 8:20 p.m. CST

    I ordered that Eleventh Doctor figure.

    by The Transformed Man

    That's one of the coolest action figures I've ever seen.

  • Oct. 11, 2011, 2:58 a.m. CST

    Throat and ear infection.......

    by sam jacksons wig

    ...temperature and the beginnings of what looks like a whalloping monster of a viral infection. Ugggggghhh, I feel frigging awful!! BYTOR!!!! Welcome back mate!!! Checking in, now I'm off to bed to moan and whinge in private ;)) SJW.

  • Oct. 11, 2011, 8:04 a.m. CST

    doctortom and sjw

    by ByTor

    SJW: thanks for the welcome! Hope you feel better soon. doctortom: Right, yes, but in each of those instances (Kleenex, Xerox, Google) I can point to the exact place they came from. And we're talking English, yes? (Google may be in other languages, but not the other two.) But consider what would have had to happen for it to get into every language on Earth, AND for most people to no longer know where the word came from. Two possibilities: (1) something unbelievably huge happened a long time ago that every man, woman and child on Earth experienced related to the Doctor, or (2) the Doctor had different encounters with various ancient civilizations, all of whom then adopted the word. (1) seems pretty unlikely, as something that big would at least be remembered in legend. So that leaves (2). Now you multiply that by the number of civilized worlds in the universe and...well, that's a lot of inspiration. As to his age...well, rule #1 is the Doctor lies, right? So we can't take anything at face value. Having said that, the TARDIS herself said 700 years of travel in The Doctor's Wife, so I'm inclined to accept that pending contrary evidence. Not sure how to reconcile the Pertwee line. Sadly, there are a few things in Who history that cannot be reconciled (the faces in Brain of Morbius, UNIT dating, etc.). More later, along with my promised con story about Troughton.

  • Oct. 11, 2011, 8:23 a.m. CST

    Sam, hope you feel better soon

    by DoctorTom

    settle in with some fluids (unfortunately it would probably be best if they were non-alcoholic) and put some Doctor Who on the DVD!

  • Oct. 11, 2011, 8:29 a.m. CST

    bytor - one thing to consider

    by DoctorTom

    We're only looking at the 11th Doctor now. Presumably they get around the 12 regeneration limit problem (or you accept the Doctor's flippant remark in SJA about 500 and some odd regenerations). <br> All of the Doctor's actions, past, present AND future are happening in the universe and will affect it. So, any actions his future self will have where he has saved planets in their past will have already happened from their standpoint. So, those could also be included in affecting people adopting the word to mean Great Healer. It won't be only 700 years of time travel (actually 900 by the end of TWORS), it will have been his entire livestimes. <br> <br> Consider The Face of Evil. One short visit there and he becomes so famous on that planet he's known by everyone there as The Evil One, and is known well enough to get his head carved onto the side of a mountain. And that's only one trip. Given the entirety of the Doctor's existence, it shouldn't be out of line for that effect (except being known as a healer and a wise man, not The Evil One) to spread out. <br> I also won't be surprised to see that the message River sent out through time and space will also play into spreading the name of the Doctor.

  • Oct. 11, 2011, 10:12 a.m. CST

    doctortom: good point

    by ByTor

    I hadn't considered the possibility that he hasn't actually yet done whatever it is that makes his name become the default word for healer. You might also be right about the message. I guess I just worry a bit about the Doctor being this uber-figure, you know what I mean? Like some kind of god. Moffat's already pulled the saved-by-reputation-alone bit a couple of times (Forest of the Dead, Pandorica Opens), and...I dunno. Just doesn't feel right to me. But you may well be right; this may be something that has a more prosaic explanation (e.g. River's transmission) and I'm just over-thinking it.

  • With the Doctor saying he's gotten a little too big, a little too public, it seems like there's an acknowledgement behind the scenes that they've probably pushed the famous uber-figure bit as far as they could and they want to back off now. And, to be fair, it's not just Moffat who was pushing him that way. When you have the British Prime Minister making a public appeal to you for help (like we had in The Christmas Invasion), then the bit about the Doctor being famously known (at least in the right circles) is already occurring. Or, you can blame Torchwood and/or the Time Agency for spreading the Doctor's name around, they're good scapegoats.

  • Oct. 11, 2011, 10:34 a.m. CST

    My Troughton Convention Story

    by ByTor

    As some of you might know, Chicago used to be America's Doctor Who epicenter, and we used to have huge cons around Thanksgiving. The first one I remember was called The Ultimate Celebration, held in 1983 for the 20th anniversary. All the living Doctors (2-3-4-5) attended, and it was considered something of a miracle at the time that Tom stood up there with the rest. I was there briefly but I don't have a lot of good stories. Anyway, the following year the con was called TARDIS 21. Tom didn't return, but Colin was now there. I have some good stories for this one, but we'll get to those later. Next year was TARDIS 22. Again, everyone but Tom (plus, as always, loads of companions, JNT, etc.). At this point I wasn't just attending; I was working in the dealer room (I worked for a chain of comic stores). I also popped the extra money for the luncheon. If you attended the luncheon, you went to a lunch (duh) and you were seated at a table with maybe 5-7 other attendees and one of the convention guests. Naturally you hoped for one of the biggies, but I ended up sitting right next to Mark Strickson. Had quite a long conversation with him; he's a very funny guy. Anyway earlier some attendee had given several of the guests squirt guns. This was before SuperSoakers and the like; these in particular were early pump-action guns that really, really sprayed a lot of water. After eating, the various con guests would start rotating tables, so sooner or later you'd get to have some great face time with most all of the guests. So anyway, I'm still sitting next to Strickson, when Patrick Troughton walks up slowly to our table. He's rather quiet in person (or maybe he just seems like it compared to Pertwee!). We were all in the middle of various conversations, all of which stopped as he just slowly comes over and sits down in a chair. We're all staring at him now. Suddenly he whips out one of the squirt guns and nails Mark Strickson right in the chest several times. Strickson yelps and goes diving under the table. Troughton says (quietly, with a straight face): >>>Hmm. This gun has excellent power. Really quite extraordinary.<<< Naturally the attendees at the table (myself included) burst out laughing. Troughton then graciously sat with us for a while, telling stories and answering questions. I am really glad I had that opportunity. He was an amazing guy and an amazing Doctor.

  • Oct. 11, 2011, 11:17 a.m. CST

    That's a good story, Bytor!

    by DoctorTom

    I got to meet Troughton (very briefly) in an autograph line, it was when they were doing the one day Doctor Who conventions around the country, and Troughton and Colin Baker were doing the show together. This was (I think just after) Trial of a Time Lord had finished filming but before anybody had seen it. Troughton was wonderful in person, and in the panel they did, Troughton and Baker continued their bickering act they had done in The Two Doctors. He was a real gentleman (even if shy), and is sorely missed. <br> The one question I remember from the panel is someone asking if Gallifrey gets destroyed in Trial of a Time Lord (some of the rumors about what was supposed to happen at the end leaked out), and Colin Baker said that it gets destroyed in episode 1. Then, they bring it back again so it can get destroyed again! And again! He had definite fun with the question, and was a lot better in person than they let him be in the show. I had hoped they'd keep him around for all of season 24 (and, if they felt the need to have a new Doctor, have both Doctors together for a season due to timey wimey shenanigans).

  • Oct. 11, 2011, 11:24 a.m. CST

    doctortom, I agree

    by ByTor

    First, your point about the Doctor becoming too big: I think you're on to something there. Second, I agree about Troughton, of course. And third, I agree about Colin. He's an absolute blast in person, and in one of the future docbacks I'll share my drinking-with-Colin story. I didn't care for his Doctor at all, but that's not on Colin. That's on the writers, Saward and JNT. They wrote him to be an asshole, so naturally, that's how Colin played it. As I think I've mentioned before, if you want to see a better take on the 6th, check out the BBV Stranger videos, and if you want to see Colin pull off constrained and subtle, check out The Zero Imperative (another BBV production).

  • Oct. 11, 2011, 11:52 a.m. CST

    Bytor, don't forget the Big Finish 6th Doctor audios

    by DoctorTom

    They went a long way to rehabilitating the reputation of Colin Baker's Doctor. He has some more sympathetic writers (and, of course, we don't get distracted by the coat). I thought that the stories with Evelyn as a companion worked rather well, and she would have been a good companion in the television series (except that we know JN-T wouldn't have had an older woman as a companion in the show).

  • Oct. 11, 2011, 3:04 p.m. CST

    doctortom, good point

    by ByTor

    I haven't heard too many of the BF audios, but I did like the ones I heard. The one or two Colin stories sounded...decent, but he still seemed to have that acerbic personality. On the other hand I think they were older BF audios, and definitely not with Evelyn. No comment on what JNT might or might not think is a good idea.

  • Oct. 11, 2011, 3:48 p.m. CST

    bytor - Try The Holy Terror, and The One Doctor

    by DoctorTom

    the first has the shapeshifting penguin Frobisher from the comics as his companion. The latter one is actually a decent story with Mel in it (I know, hard to believe) and what I thought they might be borrowing from when RTD's story The Next Doctor was initially announced.

  • Oct. 12, 2011, 11:31 a.m. CST

    doctortom: thanks

    by ByTor

    I will try both of those out, though I am predisposed to not like something that includes Frobisher, I should warn you. :)

  • Doctor Who: Talons of Weng-Chiang and Doctor Who: The David Tennant Years come out this week, so, they (or it) may be the subject of this friday's Docback. Also Nov. 8th Doctor Who : Series 6 part 1 and Nov 22th Doctor Who Series 6 are released.

  • I got the info from aintitcool.com and amazon.com.

  • Oct. 14, 2011, 5:19 a.m. CST

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  • Oct. 14, 2011, 5:25 a.m. CST

    The other one has surpassed 3000 posts already

    by wtriker1701

    and Docbacks NEVER die! So we should not let this one be starving, folks. Merrick has put so much love into the weekly Docbacks that we owe him, don't you think? Unfortunately I'm still not much into OdlWho... was too cheesy for me. Tried out "The Pyramids Of Mars" - and it didn't ring any bell... sorry for that. Mostly liked the B/W ones, because there was no real telling (at least for me) if filmed on film or video... Those production values of the 70-80's were not much of a bait for me... It's 2005, where all started to klick in with me... And that's coming from someone far in his fourties..

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  • Oct. 14, 2011, 9:54 a.m. CST

    Will watch The Trial Of A Time Lord soon

    by wtriker1701

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  • Oct. 14, 2011, 6:34 p.m. CST

    Worth being banned for?

    by gotilk

    I think not.

  • Oct. 14, 2011, 6:36 p.m. CST

    Hi I don't come here often.

    by gotilk

    But hello (insert expletive)S!!! You should change your rules, you (insert expletive)s. So do it now. And if you ban me, could you please un-ban me if I ask nice? Now, let's all get back to what everyone but me was doing before I arrived. Because ALL I'm trying to do is get everyone to get along and be inclusive, and make changes that suit me.

  • Oct. 14, 2011, 6:38 p.m. CST

    wtriker1701

    by gotilk

    I do love the old B&W ones too. The almost(?) telecine look of some of them give them an odd feeling. It feels like looking at an old transmission from a distant planet.

  • Oct. 14, 2011, 6:39 p.m. CST

    I may not post single word posts

    by gotilk

    but I'll be damned if what wtriker and others have done in the past is disruptive. It's brought dead DocBacks back to life too many times for it to be a bad thing and I refuse to accept it.

  • Oct. 14, 2011, 6:40 p.m. CST

    I refuse to be rude, or namecall though.

    by gotilk

    And it will stay that way.

  • Oct. 14, 2011, 6:40 p.m. CST

    In the meantime....

    by gotilk

    I will continue to post.

  • Oct. 14, 2011, 6:42 p.m. CST

    My friend, who has done a ton of model work for fun

    by gotilk

    is considering doing the junkyard diorama from the first episode of Doctor Who. Some of his recent amazing work includes the Lawgiver statue from Planet of The Apes, which was perfect... absolutely perfect. If he does it, I'll post pics in the most current DocBack.

  • Oct. 14, 2011, 6:43 p.m. CST

    I also think the opening for the first series

    by gotilk

    is the best opening out of all the series, to this day.

  • Oct. 14, 2011, 6:44 p.m. CST

    wtriker1701

    by gotilk

    Your favorite Doctor Who opening sequence?

  • Oct. 14, 2011, 6:50 p.m. CST

    First opening...

    by gotilk

    http://youtu.be/SIwjLrhBLsw (bonus: the episode)

  • Oct. 14, 2011, 6:51 p.m. CST

    And that reminded me of a link I never posted before...

    by gotilk

    The original teaser for Eccleston's first series.... http://youtu.be/hQINlUB3Kww

  • Oct. 14, 2011, 6:54 p.m. CST

    And one of the funniest Who-related clips ever

    by gotilk

    Teaser dubbed in Jamaican. http://youtu.be/pCd5byuN170

  • Oct. 14, 2011, 6:55 p.m. CST

    The Doctor explains the celery....

    by gotilk

    http://youtu.be/6v4JpeXoJNI Because you had to know. Wasn't it obvious?

  • And - hey - I found that Eccleston original teaser to be quite impressive! As I always find your input - and have appreciated it over those years, my friend!

  • Oct. 14, 2011, 10:13 p.m. CST

    What I meant: I always find your input impressive!

    by wtriker1701

    Always have!

  • Oct. 14, 2011, 10:15 p.m. CST

    Those were the times, when Who Talkbacks began to live...

    by wtriker1701

    ...AGAIN! We found a way - and that's what kept them alive - back then.

  • Oct. 14, 2011, 10:19 p.m. CST

    Gotilk - you are and always have been...

    by wtriker1701

    ...our fearless leader! And you really want moffatbabies to return...? ;-)

  • Oct. 15, 2011, 1:26 a.m. CST

    wtriker

    by gotilk

    Sweet to say, man. Thanks. Oh and no I don't really want Moffatbabies back. It just still irks me that the account was banned for basically sticking up for a certain celebrity that had just died. The person who banned me obviously didn't pay close enough attention to what I'd said... maybe reversed it in his head somehow? So yeah, from time to time it bugs me. Fairness is a .....weakness for me I guess? I tend to work maybe a little TOO hard to be sure that others (and I) are treated fairly. In actuality, when it comes to community, people will be treated unfairly from time to time either for the good of the community as a whole OR for the good of one member of said community. Occasionally just the loudest. (and sometimes... time constraints) I e-mailed to try to get the account re-instated but gave up a while back. I had originally decided to never come back to AICN ever... but changed my mind because I just MISSED the DocBacks and the people who frequent them. Now I'm sucked back in. Happens. Now I just need to get over some things and move on. It's just tough for me. But the thing bugging me the most right now is that deleted post. Makes me look like a raving lunatic because people cannot see what was originally said. That's what sucks about deleting posts (and editing them). People can claim they said anything, and assume others are blowing it out of proportion. The truth is... if I'd just kept my mouth shut originally and let Merrick do his job as well as he always does, it wouldn't have bugged me as much. But I had to make a comment and ASSUME that because it was who it was, it might get deleted and overlooked rather than handled with a ban-hammer, like what happened to me (and others) elsewhere on the site ... for MUCH less. Oddly enough, I LIKE the Choppsey. Always have. But he's trying to make it seem like he said something different, or that he meant only SOME people that *it applies to*. BS. So only a third of us are C*N+S? Half? A quarter? fairness. Ugly, huh? I take responsibility. But I also prefer fairness and equal treatment. So it goes. It's going to bug me for a while I think. I don't want to have anyone excluded. But I also don't think people who show up and start insulting the community should have their suggestions considered for new rules, especially not right after said insult. Bottom line? If I showed up, say, at a workplace, gave everyone the middle finger and then suggested that people should get shorter breaks... what do you think the proper reaction should be? Oh yeah. Of COURSE shorten everyone's breaks and explain that flipping everyone off is VERY BAD and he should stop. How about say, an open meeting, like a 12 step meeting. Some guy shows up, calls everyone a junky and says that the smoking outside during breaks bothers him. What's the appropriate response? OF COURSE. Ban smoking and explain that people don't like to be called names and could he please stop from now on? So someone speaks up and voices his opinion that this is a little odd.... and mr namecaller starts talking about how the whole thing is blown WAAAY out of proportion. HUH??? How pissed would you be? So that's me now. Almost feeling like I'm getting a little of the blame for being bothered by it. Steeerange. I'm doing my best to move on, but I'm not buying it. I think it's BS. I won't be doing any dupe posts, or single word posts. But whenever I see that DocBack drop below a certain position, I'm going to post on topic. Often. If I get banned for it, then I say enjoy a community that bans THAT guy rather than the guy who calls you C^N+S then tries to pretend he didn't. Verbose? Damn straight.

  • Oct. 15, 2011, 1:29 a.m. CST

    The Eccleston Teaser.

    by gotilk

    I'd never caught that before, and I thought it was really effective. And unexpected. Very direct.

  • Oct. 15, 2011, 1:59 a.m. CST

    Goodnight last week's DocBack.

    by gotilk

    Sleep well and dream of redheaded companions.

  • Oct. 15, 2011, 7:02 a.m. CST

    Good day, gotilk, good day last week's Docback!

    by wtriker1701

    Yes, I do understand your frustration, gotilk. You've said well, what you think! But, hey, let's all move on and make those Docbacks live forever. Now that I have Google Chrome it is so easy to even open up the Wedding Docback within seconds. I now know, my IE8 was the problem. I don't know about Firefox, but this tool is gold for AICN. And you know what, my friend, there might come a time, when people find these Docbacks irrelevant. That's when some day we return and bring them to life again... someday... even without all this timey wimey wibbly wobbly stuff... hehe... It has been done before, it will be done again... the question remains: when....

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