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UPDATE!! 'The Daleks.' DOCTOR WHO #132 ('The Awakening'), And CRASH OF THE ELYSIUM On This Week's Friday Docback!!



Merrick again...

An AICN reader called And Still Not Ginger got a chance to check out CRASH OF THE ELYSIUM (site HERE) - an interactive theater production developed in association with Steven Moffat and featuring appearances by Matt Smith. 

And Still Not Ginger was kind enough to end in some perspective on the experience, which we truly appreciate.  I've heard wonderful things about this production - I really wish I could see it myself. 

Here's And Still Not Ginger...

 

Doctor Who: Crash of the Elysium is a new performance from experiential theatre group Punchdrunk in conjunction with The Manchester International Festival. Their work, which traditionally sees you interact with a play as it progresses, has gained critical acclaim. And for good reason.

This year, they have developed a show, in conjunction with the BBC, based on a Doctor Who adventure. The performance, which is designed for children aimed between 6 and 12 year’s old, sees the audience take part in the adventure, accompanied with a number of actors who travel around the different sets with the audience.

Despite it being a show aimed at children, there are, however, a limited number of adult performances. Which I was lucky enough to attend. Sadly, no photos were allowed in the performance. Use your imagination. HERE BE SPOILERS!

The show starts off in a museum exhibit. Inside, you are presented with numerous cabinets of ‘artifacts’ from The Elysium, a trade ship which sank back in ye olden times. It’s all very authentic, with placards on the wall of the crew, its manifest and various vintage trinkets. The attention to detail is spectacular.

Eventually, the curator of the museum enters the room and begins to explain the history of the Elysium, taking you through a slideshow of vintage photographs of the ship being constructed and launched. It’s immersive stuff and totally authentic.

Things start to go tits up after this point with the entry of two very serious soldiers, barging into the room and screaming about national security. Something has happened nearby and we’re going to have to help them. The pair ask the audience to leave the building and everyone sprints across to a hanger nearby. There’s a lot of running.

Now, we’re donning white hazmat suits and gas masks, being assigned teams and being briefed on the situation. An alien ship has crashed in Manchester and we’re told that we’re responsible for the rescue of a survivor, ‘a doctor’. We’re all assigned numbers and asked, in military tradition, to sound off. Again, these actors play it straight. I got shouted at for not running fast enough.

We’re taken into a huge room, via ET-esque plastic tubes, where a space ship, also called the Elysium, has crashed - its silver hull covers the far wall. We’re commanded to hunt around for clues. Our team is assigned the job of getting information from two ‘scientists’ in the corner studying a table of artifacts. Another group goes hunting for the ‘black box’. We ask the scientists questions and they respond. It’s all serious stuff. Life and death stuff.

Eventually, someone in the audience finds the black box, which the army chaps plug into a bank of monitors stacked in the middle of the room. It’s a video message from The Doctor, Matt Smith in full crazy mode, who is trapped inside The Elysium sans Tardis. The Elysium, it transpires, is a high-security art gallery which contains some of the most dangerous artifacts in the galaxy. Our job is to enter the Elysium, find The Tardis, and rescue The Doctor.“Don’t blin...” he says, before the video turns to static.

We wait as one of the army team blow torches a hole into The Elysium to create a doorway.

The Elysium is a dark mess. Pipes hang from the ceiling, wires brush across your face, smoke billows from the corners of the corridors. It’s grim stuff. It’s also very hard to see. The soldier’s torches shine in your face and you get bunched up with other guests as you step through its claustrophobic corridors.

Something crashes in the darkness. The soldiers freak out. There’s a lot of running. A Weeping Angel makes an appearance and a shadowy figure starts running at us from the corridor we had just stumbled down. All the Doctor’s enemies are here for his Tardis, he’ll later explain via a video.

Later: “What is it?” one of the soldiers screams at us, taking one look at a Weeping Angel statue, its hands covering its face. Someone tells him what a Weeping Angel is. He reports it back to base via his radio.

What follows is an intensive crash course in experiential theatre. There are clues to solve; we restore power to the ship, find several more video messages from The Doctor (he needs us to destroy The Tardis to stop his enemies gaining its power) and enter a wrecked alien control room. A member of our group is asked to jam a door shut as something tries to force its way in. It’s terrifying. We also find the key to The Tardis.

Suffice it to say, the Weeping Angel eventually catches up with us. The lights go on and off as it slowly moves towards us down a dead-end corridor. The soldiers are losing it. The audience is losing it. It’s just like Blink. We’re crammed together against the wall as it gets closer every time the lights flicker. It changes expression as it leers over us. Someone screams.

It touches one of our group and we all get flung back in time. We’re greeted by a woman called Dolly in a room decked out like a Victorian carnival. There are tents, it smells and hay lines the floor. Dolly asks me to pose for a photograph with her (taken with an authentic Victorian camera), before explaining that The Doctor sent her The Tardis to keep it safe. Dolly is a looker. Which probably explains why The Doctor took her to the Moon to celebrate her birthday.

We send the Tardis back to the present (sadly, we don’t get to look inside) and the Doctor sends us another message. He’s going to send us all home through the time rift. Good lad.

But, the shambling monsters have caught up with us and, again, we leg it, this time, through the carnival’s maze of mirrors. Weeping Angels are reflected in all the mirrors. One of the soldiers goes to sort it all out. He screams from behind a wall.

We leg it some more down a dark corridor. Someone starts crying.

We escape through the time rift and find ourselves in the engine room of The Elysium. The soldiers barricade the doors and turn on the CCTV monitors. Angels are coming down all of the corridors towards us. The remaining solider breaks down in tears.

And then we escape. Timey, wimey, wibbly wobbly thing. The Angels have been frozen - the final set piece sees everyone run through a corridor of disabled Angels, trapped in time;  arms protruding from walls, and heads leering at us from the ceiling.

The solider salutes us. We salute him. Job done.

And at the end, we get a letter from The Doctor.

It’s brilliant stuff - the closest you can get to actually being in an episode. Kids will love the puzzles and the running. Adults will love the scares. It’s brilliant theatre and well worth a visit. Genuinely silly fun.
 

 

 

 

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Merrick here…

…with a look at "The Daleks" and "The Awakening," two "older" DOCTOR WHO episodes featuring different Doctors from different eras.  And, appropriately enough, the theme for this week's viewing is "time" - one episode had too much of it, the other not enough. 
 

 

"THE DALEKS" - aka Story #2
 

"There is no indignity in being afraid to die, but there is terrible shame in being afraid to live."

- Alydon the Thal,  DOCTOR WHO, "The Daleks," Part 5 - "The Expedition"


Continuing my relentless campaign to watch every DOCTOR WHO episode ever made (I wish someone would hurry and perfect THIS memory chip- so I could be quickly and magically implanted with perfect recall of every DW story) , this week I caught up with "The Daleks" - the second story for the show as a whole and our first introduction to…well…the Daleks.

Written by Terry Nation, "The Daleks" was subsequently retrofitted to become DR. WHO AND THE DALEKS (watch it for freely and legally HERE).  Released in 1965, DR. WHO AND THE DALEKS was the first of two licensed, bizarro-verse DW movies to star Peter Cushing as Dr. Who (that's what the character's called in the films, not my mis-statement of his name). 

    

                                                                        image via http://faultychameleoncircuit.tumblr.com

 

I saw DWATD late last year, early in my abyssal plunge into all things WHO.  While it lacked the general depth and development of "The Daleks" television serial, in retrospect that movie was generally superior in one very critical regard: pacing.

"The Daleks" starts out powerfully and bleakly as The Doctor (William Hartnell), alongside companions Susan Foreman (Carole Ann Ford), Barbara Wright (Jacqueline Hill) and Ian Chesterton (William Russell) arrive on an unknown "totally dead" planet called Skaro.  There are silent and motionless forests, a sprawling high-tech city, but no sign of life.  While exploring an apparently abandoned and desolate metropolis, they encounter more than they expected...Daleks!  

These Daleks are pathetically fussing about in an attempt to cope with radiation that's contaminating their world - this radiation is the result of a "Neutronic War" against their enemy (the Thals) over 500 years earlier. Dalek efforts to address said radioactivity are endangering the surviving Thals, whom the Daleks fear and despise (although we quickly learn that the Daleks' perception/characterization of the Thals is jaundiced and decidedly inaccurate).  

It's up to The Doctor, his companions, and a rag-tag group of Thal resistance fighters to thwart the Daleks' radioactive and selfish shenanigans before Skaro is rendered uninhabitable, and the poor Thals are sent the way of the dinosaurs.  Given that the Baker-era "Genesis of the Daleks" is set on the same planet during the early days of the Dalek/Thal confrontation, this story essentially serves as both sequel and prequel to "Genesis" and dovetails quite nicely - save for a discontinuitous reference to early Daleks being called Dals (in "Genesis", it's clear that the word "Dalek" is an anagram for their "Kaled" progenitors.  Or, did I miss something?)

"The Daleks" comes out of the gate swinging.  There's a logical and truthful tension between The Doctor and companions Barbara and Ian - who don't like having been sucked into the predicament they're now in (traveling time and space all willy-nilly with The Doctor, even though they pretty much put themselves in that situation in "An Unearthly Child").  The Doctor's self-centered manipulation of events more or less forces his posse to explore the "abandoned" city, which brings them into contact with the Daleks, resulting in their capture, Ian being temporarily paralyzed,  and the entire group becoming critically ill with radiation sickness. I.e. The Doctor's inability to let go of his own needs gravely jeopardizes both him and his fellow travelers.  Bleak, hard, atmospheric stuff.  

From The Doctor's flawed nature, to Susan's frightened exposure when she's forced to run alone through stormy woods and back to the TARDIS, to Ian and company clumsily trying to figure out out how to work a Dalek….what you call 'em…armature?…suit?…shell?…to the visionary topic of handling  radioactive materials...there's tremendous potency and edgy promise suggested by the first four episodes of this story. 

But then comes Part 5, in which the story begins to drift a bit, succeeded by Parts 6 and 7  - which spend an inordinate amount of time…doing very little.  For example, there's a great deal of detail oriented, procedural mumbo-jumbo about the perils of making one's way through treacherous cavern.  A little of which would've been smart and fascinating, but the better part of an entire episode is devoted to the tedium of getting from one place to another.  This feels like a bit of stall-out considering we're supposed to be heading towards our final confrontation with the Daleks.  A few weeks ago I accused "Frontios" of attempting to spread too little story over to much time, and I charge that the same is true here - "The Daleks" feels like a five part episode spread over seven installments.  And with that much flab, even a story as fundamentally compelling as this can't hold together.  

When all is said and done, and despite the beguiling beauty of Virginia Wetherell as Dyoni the Thal…
 

image via TardisWikia

 

… "The Daleks" ultimately drift away to disappointment.  Scheduling hasn't allowed me to research the matter too thoroughly, but I'm curious about what happened here.  One wonders if, literally, story compression wasn't a valid option because The Powers That Be had already committed to filling "X" amount of time with this episode?  Or, perhaps the fact that the later two (most troubled) Parts were directed by a different director than Parts 1, 2, 4, and 5  had something to do with it?  Or, somewhere along the way, perhaps someone simply dropped the ball.  It could also be any combination thereof.  

Despite its frustrating shortcomings, it was fun seeing Hartnell's Doctor soften a bit since his initial, "Unearthly Child" outing.  I love the fragility of his physicality, his occasional combustibility, and his overall doddering nature - a brilliant conceptualization for a titular hero.  I smiled a bit when I learned that the TARDIS had a food synthesizer (pre-dating STAR TREK's replicators) - this is the first time I've encountered it, as I don't recall seeing one referenced in the 2005+ series.  Was it?  And, lest she go unmentioned, a respectful tip-of-the-hat to Carole Ann Ford, who plays Susan (the Doctor's granddaughter) here.  She's quite an amazing performer, utterly investing herself into even the most ludicrous of circumstances - thus selling any scene she's in, and selling it fully.  

I've got five Daleks of various sizes sitting on the bookshelf behind me...

...so it's hard not to feel a little goosebumpy during Part 2's dramatic pull-back/reveal of these dastardly antagonists.  This episode launched a critical element of the DOCTOR WHO mythology which endures forty-something years later, and brought about one of the most recognizable icons in Science Fiction history.  Too bad the whole of the story doesn't live up to such moments of greatness.  

 

 

COMING TO DVD NEXT WEEK (U.S)...


"THE AWAKENING' - aka Story #132

Find it in the U.S. HERE, and is available in the U.K. HERE.

 

 

PLOT: Originally entitled "War Games", "The Awakening" finds The Doctor (Peter Davison), Turlough (Mark Strickson) , and Tegan (Janet Fielding) arriving in a  modern U.K. town called Little Hodcombe to visit Tegan's grandfather, a local historian called Andrew Verny (Frederick Hall ).  

Little Hodcombe is "celebrating" its 1643 destruction - seems the place fell during a battle between Parliamentary forces and king's regiments, and the townspeople appear to be taking their reenactment a bit too seriously.  

School teacher Jane Hampden (Polly James) isn't having any of it, much to the chagrin of the celebration's participants.  Her incredulity, along with strange phenomenon in the local church, are compounded by the arrival of Will Chandler (Keith Jayne) - a young man who believes he is in 1643.  Given the town's ongoing reenactment of that time period, Will's assertion would normally be quickly dismissed…except for the unexplained sounds of large-scale battle (and the smell of gunpowder) which accompany his introduction. 

The increasingly nutty town leaders forcibly anoint Tegan as "Queen of the May," a position Miss Hampden implies could meet with a dark and unwelcome fate. Will Tegan end up being killed to appease the town's misguided adherence to history?  Is hapless Will Chandler really from the past, and if so, how did he get  to our time?  And, more significantly, is an alien force called The Malus at work here…encouraging the town's tensions and feeding off of its psychic energies as these celebratory "war games" intensify towards a pitched and potentially deadly climax? 


"The Awakening" is a highly imperfect but ultimately  interesting little tale which ends up being about more than is evident at face value.  By "about more than is evident at face value" I'm referring to subtext -  there are a number of thought-provoking issues gliding beneath the surface of this story:  how far do we blindly follow leaders before we, ourselves, become personally accountable for their decisions?  How easily are we governed by negative energy and our aggressive tendencies, even when such darkness is not what truly lies in our hearts?  The list goes on.  

Above I mention that "The Daleks" suffers from excessive length (not enough story to adequately fill the number of installments over which it's told).  The opposite is true with "The Awakening" - it's a two part story that is refreshingly breezy on the whole, but careens to a not-entirely-clear pay-off that doesn't do justice to the overall episode.  This sentiment is both addressed mirrored in the DVD's extras (see below).

High points in this story include a rather well-executed miniature/pyro shot of a church going kablooey, Jack Galloway's deliriously over-the-top performance as Joseph Willow, the striking and unnerving visualization of The Malus (a extraterrestrial entity which feeds on psychic energy, kinda like that little spiny thing in the STAR TREK: THE ORIGINAL SERIES  episode "Day of the Dove")...

 
 
...and a crack in a wall which is eerily reminiscent of "the crack" we recently saw in DOCTOR WHO Series 5 (just sayin'):
 


In short, "The Awakening" is a fascinating set-up that ends far too quickly.  Had it the luxury of just one more episode, this tale may've emerged as one of the more significant and meaningful entries in
the DOCTOR WHO mythos.   As is, it's a nicely conceived, reasonably well-told story that's memorable for its location work and startlingly designed big bad,  but frustratingly anemic on resolution.  A charming but flawed adventure.  

As a side note: length was evidently a challenge for this particular tale from the outset. It was originally planned to be a four-part story, but The Powers That Be encountered difficulties adequately spreading this material over four parts, so it was reduced to two installments.  I suppose three parts was, quite understandably, not an option.  Too bad.  

Extras include…

 

RETURN TO LITTLE HODCOMBE


--- Episode director Michael Owen Morris - Awakening was his first job.

--- Eric Saward (Script Editor), discusses the condensing of what was intended to be a four part installment into this two part story.

--- recollections from Keith Jayne (Will Chandler)

--- Janet Fielding (Tegan) "What a cruel thing to do to a director...It was just an impossible gig" - talks about feeling protective of first time director Michael Owen Morris, revealing that cast and crew may not've nitpicked script material as much as they otherwise might've in an effort to make his job easier (which may've actually made his job harder)

Remembrances of shoot by Maureen Crumpler, John Chappell, Jane Butler -  Shapwick Villagers (Shapwick was one of three town used to portray Little Hodcombe

--- Horse blooper (horse -vs- lych-gate)

--- Janet Fielding, Eric Saward, and director Michael Owen Morris discussing their feeling that the conclusion of the story was rushed (Fielding in particular addrssses Part 2's lack of clarity, which I agree with)



MAKING THE MALUS

Malus designer Tony Harding and Craftsman Richard Gregory face a surprisingly well preserved (30 years old) Malus head that emerged from the church wall.  

Fan Paul Burrows  purchased Malus for  3,500 pounds at auction of DW memorabilia - it now hangs on his living room wall.  That bastard.  I'm so jealous. 




NOW & THEN: THE LOCATIONS OF "THE AWAKENING"

As the title suggests, this is a "then and now" at locations used in the story as they appear today (Tarrant Monkton, Martin, Shapwick all represented parts of Little Hodcombe.

Discusses a really nice glass painting / foreground which placed a church where there was none as The Doctor ran towards it.
 

 

"THE AWAKENING":  FROM THE CUTTING ROOM FLOOR

9:18 of extended / deleted scenes from the story, including a brief sequence

Silver robot?
 

 

THE GOLDEN EGG AWARDS

For the aforementioned horse -vs- lych-gate incident., "The Awakening" gets a nod from what is essentially a mess-up, blooper show in the U.K 

Peter Davison showed up to accept with solemn sincerity and profound appreciation and is bounced.

 

 

PREVIEWS FOR THE  "PARADISE TOWERS" DVD (McCoy era - Story #149  )

More or less this preview, actually...

 


PDFs (Radio Times listings, etc.)

 

 

 

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coming next week

"The Edge of Destruction," "The Gunfighters," and possibly a look at the first half of

Season/Series Six on Blu-Ray if the discs arrive in time...

 

 

 

DOCBACK CODE OF CONDUCT
 
AICN's Friday DOCTOR WHO Talkbacks - aka "Docbacks"  - operate on a different set of standards than other AICN Talkbacks.  These standards developed quickly and naturally, and we intend to preserve them.  Accordingly, please take a moment to note a few guidelines which should help proceedings move along smoothly and pleasantly:  
 
1) a Docback should be about completely open and free discourse regarding all things WHO (with, obviously, some variation on subject matter from time to time - the real world intervenes, discussions of other shows are inevitable, etc.)... 

2) Matters of SPOILAGE should be handled with thoughtful consideration and sensitivity.  Posts containing SPOILERS should clearly state that a SPOILER exists in its topic/headline and should never state the spoiler itself . "** SPOILER ** Regarding Rory" is OK, for example.  "** SPOILER ** Battle of Zarathustra" is fine as well.  "**SPOILER** Why did everyone die?"  Is NOT good.  

And, above all... 

3) converse, agree, disagree, and question as much as you want - but the freedom to do so is NOT a license to be rude, crass, disrespectful, or uncivilized in any way.  Not remaining courteous and civil, as well as TROLLING or undertaking sensational efforts to ignite controversy, will result in banning.  Lack of courtesy will receive one (1) warning before a ban is instigated.  Obvious Trolling or Spamming will result in summary banning with no warning.  
 
In short, it's easy.  Be excellent to each other.  Now party on...
 
 
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  • but nevertheless, there was something incredibly scary about the damn things back in the 60's, and once they worked their way into the british psyche of schoolkids up and down the country, there was just no prying the damn things out. They filled a Bug Eyed Monster shaped hole in our souls, that we didn't even know was there.

  • July 8, 2011, 12:01 p.m. CST

    Pacing issues sometimes will get people

    by HornOrSilk

    We have to remember this was a serial, shown once a week, not to be seen all at once. There is more padding than now, and it sometimes shows. But the Daleks is very effective for its time, and tries to do something few have done: make a real alien menace, something which is not just some humanoid creature. Doctor Who tries it again, less successfully, from time to time, but the Daleks themselves work. And they slowly build up -- until the are at their best in two lost stories, Power and Evil of the Daleks. Genesis of the Daleks really works wonderfully well, especially after seeing all that went before it and how it connects everything. You will see that the next story is all within the TARDIS and really ends with the crew finally getting comfortable with each other, accepting their connection with each other. I have always found Edge of Destruction a great filler story, probably one of the best ever, because it is what ties the characters together. Then they really do start working and showing care for each other; the Doctor's good side has already begun to be seen in the Daleks, but his companions push him to go beyond his up-bringing and to be the hero he is.

  • July 8, 2011, 12:08 p.m. CST

    the reason the daleks were so scary...

    by emeraldboy

    to do with the scars of world war two. imagine seeing the images of the daleks in black and white coming out of the water in the dr who pilot. which the bbc aired. and then hearing those dalek.....voi...ces. for...the...first...time.

  • July 8, 2011, 12:08 p.m. CST

    The Food Machine

    by Meglos

    doesn't make an appearance beyond season 2.

  • July 8, 2011, 12:13 p.m. CST

    Kaleds/Dals

    by Meglos

    "Or, did I miss something?" No, you didn't. One of the things about the classic series continuity that you'll come across is the occasional contradiction (e.g. there are 3 separate explanations for the sinking of Atlantis). New Series fans would simply say "wibbly-wobbly-timey-wimey" (ugh - hate that phrase) or "the Time War changed it", but back then it was just a matter of producers, script editors, and writers sacrificing/ignoring continuity to tell a good story. All part of the series' charm, I think.

  • ...almost impenetrable outer shell armour, laying waste to an entire squad of soldiers; cutting through them like a knife through butter just because it could. You get the real sense of menace when Chris Eccleson screams to be let out of the room he and it occupy in "Dalek." You know this thing is to be feared. And that's the reason why its menace haunts us to this very day. Souless. Emotionless. Pure destruction. The ultimate foe.

  • July 8, 2011, 12:31 p.m. CST

    The Malus

    by photoboy

    The Malus was one of the scariest monsters on Doctor Who when I was a child (I also used to think it was called the Malice when I was young). It was that giant, malevolent looking head that scared me, along with the huge roar it would give out. Definitely one of my favourite stories!

  • July 8, 2011, 12:32 p.m. CST

    My I suggest a Torchwood Talkback?

    by Will

    Looking forward to miracle day this evening and was thinking a talkback may be in order. What do ya think?

  • July 8, 2011, 12:33 p.m. CST

    continuity has never been Who strong point...

    by sam jacksons wig

    ...storytelling has been. With so many writers involved since its inception, its no wonder that there are a few out there; each wanting to put their own stamp on the show and each sometimes unfamiliar with others works.

  • July 8, 2011, 12:37 p.m. CST

    Daleks in the early days....

    by sam jacksons wig

    The early ones were powered by static electricity,and as such they they were unable to leave the metal floors of their city. One push onto a rug of some sort would pretty much stop them from moving. Later the improved versions came with little radar dishes on their back to receive power being beamed to them so that they could Invade Earth. Yet when the Doctor travels to the original creation of the Daleks in Genesis of the Daleks, the earlier form is not there.

  • July 8, 2011, 12:45 p.m. CST

    Villans who scared the living shit out of me.....

    by sam jacksons wig

    Azal and Bok. As a kid I had a profound fear of the supernatural and the idea of a demon controlling a gargoyle really got under my skin. Morbius- simply put, I shit my fucking pants. Mary Shelleys Frankenstein was a favourite book of mine, and to think that this kind of thing would be possible.... nightmarish!!

  • July 8, 2011, 12:48 p.m. CST

    oh that computer ad is painful

    by Dreamfasting

    I think I'm having "Star Wars Christmas Special" flashbacks. I haven't seen "The Daleks" in many years, but that description of the pacing falling off a cliff fits with memory of many of the 1st Doctor stories. I have very little knowledge of the pre-Davros Daleks. My memory of them is dominated by Destiny of the Daleks and Revelation of the Daleks where the real star was Davros (although the Daleks were allowed to wrack up quite a kill count - even though these were Daleks on the run, on the decline, when they came crashing through a barricade, it felt menacing)

  • July 8, 2011, 12:50 p.m. CST

    Does the Malus remind anyone else of Dr Doom??

    by sam jacksons wig

  • July 8, 2011, 1:01 p.m. CST

    dreamfasting - agree.

    by sam jacksons wig

    Watched the Chase a little while ago- great premise which suddenly grinds to a halt when Peter Purves shows up and they are trapped (all of that exposition to get out of a locked room!) and then picks up again at the end before Babs and Ian have their jaunt around London. Still, people watched TV differently back then and didn't have the attention spans of gnats. We put up with the pace of certain episodes ready for the payoff.. ...Logopolis is a classic set of episodes that has that very same issue. The Doc and the Master continually talk about what they are going to do through several episodes before the last act.

  • ...there have been so many of the bloody things!! Where is HornOrSilk when I need him?????

  • July 8, 2011, 1:13 p.m. CST

    Okay! Quick bit of research done and it looks as if...

    by sam jacksons wig

    ...they have appeared no less than 40 times!! That is 40 separate serials. Impressive!!! Most impressive...!

  • July 8, 2011, 1:15 p.m. CST

    Those Prime Computer adds are gold!

    by -Halfscan-

    Seriously. </p> Never seen them them before but just love the hell out of them.

  • July 8, 2011, 1:22 p.m. CST

    List as follows:

    by sam jacksons wig

    Dalek Dalek invasion of earth Space museum the chase Mission to the unknown daleks master plan power of the daleks evil of the daleks wheel in space war games mind of evil day of the daleks frontier in space planet of the daleks death to the daleks genesis of the daleks destiny of the daleks logopolis five doctors resurrection of the daleks revelation of the daleks remembrance of the daleks tv movie dalek bad wolf parting of the ways army of ghosts doomsday daleks in manhattan evolution of the daleks human nature stolen earth journeys end next doctor waters of mars end of time 11th hour beast below victory of the daleks pandorica opens big bang I think that's all of them. 41, I lied.....

  • July 8, 2011, 1:25 p.m. CST

    So Prime Computers were found on Gallifrey, eh??

    by sam jacksons wig

    Must be why the prices were out of this world!!! (Ohhhhhhh....SJW hangs head in shame...)

  • July 8, 2011, 1:31 p.m. CST

    sarah palin cannot fucking beat us this week!!!

    by sam jacksons wig

    She got over 2000 comments the last time the bitch was here!!! Why all the goddamn interest in her?? Who is MUCH more fun!!!!

  • July 8, 2011, 1:35 p.m. CST

    My 10 year old daughter is a spoily complainy pants....

    by sam jacksons wig

    ..just watching Vampires of Venice, and the end when the Doc is climbing the tower and the rain is hitting Amy and Rory, she says "Dad, why is the wall behind Amy and Rory not getting wet if the rain is supposed to be everywhere?" I just gave her a "please shut up " look.

  • July 8, 2011, 1:50 p.m. CST

    The Prime ads are genius. Especially the marriage one.

    by V'Shael

    Most of what he's talking about did come to pass, built on top of old systems like the Prime ones.

  • And Richard Briers 'tache is eerily reminicent of someone the Doc and companions are either going to try and kill or are going to save.

  • ...(oooooohhhhhhhh...worse than the other gag....)

  • July 8, 2011, 2:15 p.m. CST

    The Salute of the Great Architect Is Awesome

    by Christopher Bynum

    They should have called the story Fawlty Paradise Towers

  • July 8, 2011, 2:32 p.m. CST

    Love the Daleks but am getting quite tired of them..

    by Hideo Kojima

    They are an iconic villain of the Doctor but I feel the new series has overexposed them to the point of laughability.. the Daleks showing up every 5-6 episodes since the revival seems a bit daft. And the new series's twist on the Daleks are kind of irritating also. The Cult of Skaro were cool, but the whole Dalek/Human hybrid thing in Manhattan was a complete farce... just unbelievably stupid, more so than the Slitheen IMO

  • July 8, 2011, 2:35 p.m. CST

    Bit of a newbie Doc Q. Humour me...

    by david

    Why has there been so much speculation about the fat blue trader who got killed by the headless monks in the finale/not-quite-finale/mid-season big tease? I loved the way he dealt with the visit from Demon's Run at the beginning of the episode but the DocBacks have been speculating as if he's the Master. I've been in transit / out of the loop, hence the catch-up question.

  • July 8, 2011, 2:39 p.m. CST

    Hideo -

    by david

    They do get their arses kicked with alarming regularity. At least Blofeld occasionally laughs as he jumps into an escape pod & eludes Bond. The Daleks get thoroughly blown out every time. I'd love to see a story where a few of them start to lose their faith in Dalek superiority. (Not really - but it might make for good docback fodder)

  • The stories kind of speed up and slow down like an accordion. It gets better, overall, with each consecutive Doctor, but is always there to some degree. It's the nature of a serial. In the context of what you're doing - trying to make it through every single Who story - it's probably frustrating. But otherwise, it can sometimes be kind of charming, to see what they had to come up with to make things fit the allotted time. Sometimes it's drudgery, and sometimes inspired. And always full of the character of the time and place. I do love classic Who. Especially Pertwee and Tom Baker, but all of it makes me feel better about the world. Nice to be reminded of that on this site.

  • July 8, 2011, 3:17 p.m. CST

    I agree with kevred...

    by dj_bollocks

    ... Doctor Who pacing is from a time when attention spans were longer and budgets still got stretched. It can be a much less enjoyable experience if you aren't patient with it. A lot of episodes watched as a young kid seemed considerably less satisfying when watched again as a student for plodding pace, particularly as I became used to the Star Trek 44 minute resolution, instead of the Doctor Who 100 mins...

  • July 8, 2011, 3:43 p.m. CST

    continuity ... sam jacksons wig

    by Ian

    I've been going through classic who episodes in order as well (nearly halfway through Hartnell's run) , and was hung up on "The Daleks" continuity-wise, after some searching I found some neat-o alternate timeline theories by fans that do a fairly admirable job patching up contradictions. Of course it's all in fun, even if you do realize that it was a writing / production staff issue.

  • July 8, 2011, 4:34 p.m. CST

    Merrick...

    by Rebel Scumb

    While I can certainly see your point of view about the pacing, and I agree in that regards when it comes to most Dr. Who classic stories, I actually really LOVE the fact that they spent and entire episode trying to jump over that ravine in the cave. I don't know why, but its one of the only old movie/shows where I've ever felt actual suspense. I can appreciate old movies and stuff, but I never really get invested in the danger or situations. But I really enjoy that episode in the cave. But overall, I agree, there is a lot of unnessary story padding in a lot of the old serials. story #2 is one of the only ones where I actually love the pace all the way through.

  • July 8, 2011, 4:35 p.m. CST

    Sylvester McCoy

    by Rebel Scumb

    I know a lot of people hate his era, but having watched ghost light and most of Remembrance of the Daleks, I'm finding he's becoming one of my favorite classic doctors. I know I'm in the minority who doesn't consider Tom Baker the best or even second best (although I think his stories are the best because they are mostly weird space/future episodes) But Mccoy is quickly climbing the ranks up to stand next to Pertwee for me.

  • July 8, 2011, 4:38 p.m. CST

    Prime computers

    by Rebel Scumb

    I can't stop laughing at 'step into the 80s' !!! Romana II does look quite hot in that ad though

  • July 8, 2011, 4:41 p.m. CST

    hideo Kojima

    by Rebel Scumb

    My whole thing with the daleks is it should always feel like an event when they show up. I loved both their appearances in series 1, and them returning at the end of series 2 was amazing. Daleks in manhatten, not so much. The series 4 finale was great, and 'victory of the daleks' while far from epic, was I think important just to have the daleks in the smith era early on to help bridge the big change over from RTD/Tennant to Moff/Smith. But I hope they are gone for a while, and I say that as someone who love Daleks. But I want to be really hungry for them when the inevitablly return again. That goes for the cybermen even more so. A little cybermen goes a long long way for me.

  • July 8, 2011, 5:17 p.m. CST

    Ha! Pa's got The Malus! - And almost everything Dharma related?

    by wtriker1701

    Or haven't you, Pa? So all the years we sent talking about LOST we never had the chance to discuss DOCTOR WHO? Stranger things have happened, but it has never crossed my mind, that you would be also deep into Who... Maybe he doesn't even join this Docback. Guess I have to awake him over his own pages... I found Story 2 (The Daleks) extremely well paced and far ahead of its time for a TV show. No complain by me... When those bastards come out of the water (in Dalek Invasion Of Earth) it always gives me the creeps... but that was another story...

  • Had it HAD the luxury of just one more episode, this tale MIGHT've emerged ...

  • July 8, 2011, 5:57 p.m. CST

    Lost & Dr. Who

    by Rebel Scumb

    A friend and I were drinking and joking around, and we thought it would of been hilarious if LOST had ended by revealling that Jacob was actually the Doctor in a 'human nature' type situation of memory loss, only lasting thousands of years. and the island was actually the tardis but it had just picked up a lot of debris over the years until it became an island. and thats why there was weird light at the centire, and time anomolies and whatnot. and the end Jacob would remember he was the doctor and turn back into David tennant, and then rose would step out of the tardis, and it had only been a few minutes for her. Then they would just wave at the losties and fly away while jack shook his fist in rage at them for ruining all of their lives. Then the familiar doctor who music would kick in and the big gold oval would zoom by (like in the RTD era) and it would just be 'Next time...' and show the doctor fleeing giant raison monsters on an ice planet ruled by a giant moth robot. It would of angered everyone to the point of insanity, but part of me would of found it hilarious, if the entire 6 years was just an enormous tangent of a completely different show. Ah the things a drunken mind will think of...

  • July 8, 2011, 6:48 p.m. CST

    rebel scumb

    by Ian

    I prefer your ending to lost over the one written...so I'm now accepting yours as the official ending to the show.

  • July 8, 2011, 7:02 p.m. CST

    The Dalek "threat"...

    by dj_bollocks

    How would you make them more threatening then, these most defeated of Doctor Who enemies ? Killing a companion would work... That Amy Pond was a creation of the Daleks in the Time War... a weapon... and that the cracks in time, are Dalek created not Amy related... The only way for the Daleks not to be defeated would be to destroy their own weapon... You can have that one for free Moff...

  • July 8, 2011, 7:27 p.m. CST

    kanekofan gets it

    by ByTor

    I too dispute the "attention span" comment. There's a difference between a show or film that takes its time to unfold, and one that has crammed in padding to extend the runtime for no good story reason. Many of the classic Who stories did the latter, and it's particularly bad during the Hartnell/Troughton eras. Of course there are also brilliant stories as well, but "The Daleks" could have easily shed 2-3 episodes. For another example of padding, go watch Frontier in Space. Now I love FiS, mostly because of Delgado's unbelievable performance, but the damned thing is 2 episodes of plot and 4 episodes of fucking prison escapes.

  • July 8, 2011, 8:09 p.m. CST

    Awakening was my favorite Davison Who

    by Himbo

    His time marked several smaller stories. Some good, like Awakening and "Black Orchid" and others less so "Enlightenment" and "Time Flight'. I THINK TF was under 4 parts. Could be wrong. I watched the Troughton "Lost in Time" collection this week. Some recovered eps of otherwise lost stories. Interesting viewing.

  • July 8, 2011, 8:44 p.m. CST

    TimeFlight was a 4 parter story

    by I am not a number

    and one of Peter Davison's worst episodes. THE AWAKENING was one of my favorites for him as well though. Haven't seen that episode in years, though I have the DVD on order. Oddly, it is not an overly memorable story (at least for me), likely due to the simplicity and brevity of the plot.

  • July 8, 2011, 8:48 p.m. CST

    Wasn't it originally called

    by I am_NOTREAL

    The Dead Planet? Or was that the name of the Target books novelization? Also, I loved The Awakening...and I remember that climactic church explosion, one of the FX high-water marks of the original run for sure. Davison's 3rd season was probably his strongest overall.

  • July 8, 2011, 8:56 p.m. CST

    Daleks vs Cybermen

    by I am_NOTREAL

    Cybermen being the 2nd most popular recurring foe, I'd have to think...in truth I always preferred the Cybermen. Those Dalek voices grated on me after awhile.

  • July 8, 2011, 9:04 p.m. CST

    Terry Nation

    by I am_NOTREAL

    Did anyone know that, in addition to being the father of the Daleks, he also wrote for MacGyver? Also, the little mutated Kaled / whatever stirring under the blanket at the end of one episode was definitely disturbing.

  • July 8, 2011, 9:07 p.m. CST

    i've been watching dr who on netflix

    by animas

    and it is getting boring as hell. the first season was good, and I just started season 3. don't think I can keep watching this much longer...

  • July 8, 2011, 10:34 p.m. CST

    I LOVE Daleks

    by The Transformed Man

    I turn into a six year old whenever I see one. I have like thirty action figures of the bastards now.

  • July 8, 2011, 10:36 p.m. CST

    When "The Awakening" arrives next week

    by The Transformed Man

    I'll have a complete Peter Davison run! I will actually have a straight run from "Meglos" to "The Mark of the Rani". Marathon time.

  • July 8, 2011, 11:29 p.m. CST

    I may be the only geek here who like TIME FLIGHT.

    by DoctorWho?

    I love the concept and dialogue was good. Lots of techno babble weak points, granted.<p> Anthony Ainley was a great Master. Yeah, kind of mustache twirling I know...but it worked cause he sold it. <p> Not sure about the general consensus here but does ANYONE here like the Master in the new series?? The guy is a great actor but I hate the way he's written. And I mean HHHAAATTTEEE it!!!!! We need more of the intellectual, patient, scheming Moriarty to the Doc's Sherlock vibe going on there...not campy one liners and flying thru the air shit. <p> What say you brethren??

  • July 8, 2011, 11:31 p.m. CST

    And I too am tiring of the Daleks.

    by DoctorWho?

    I love them the same way I love K-9...but realistically, in today's technological world they just seem inefficient, dated and silly.<p> But damn, if it was 1974 and I was 9, I would be hiding behind my fucking couch.

  • July 8, 2011, 11:35 p.m. CST

    Victory Of The Daleks...

    by DoctorWho?

    When the Dalek asks "WOULD YOU LIKE SOME TEA???!!!" with that classic, metallic, malevolent voice cracks me up. I will imitate it when putting on some tea for the wife and I and she just laughs at my geek foolishness.

  • July 8, 2011, 11:39 p.m. CST

    Powered by static electricity

    by DoctorWho?

    LOL That's classic.<p> Like in Ark In Space where ALL of Earth's recorded history was recorded and stored on...wait for it...MICOFILM! LOL!

  • July 9, 2011, 2:15 a.m. CST

    Polly James

    by timesfool

    She would have made a great companion for the fifth Doctor. I think a huge problem he had in his tenure was a lack of kinship with his crew and all the tragedy around them. Giving him someone who would be more of a 'mate' - like Donna was, say or Sarah Jane - would have been a stronger choice (Adric = bratty stowaway, Nyssa = aristocratic, sweet, but an orphan whose whole planet was destroyed, Tegan always wanting to go home anyway and COMPLAINING all the time - UGH). Polly James was fab and played off Davison perfectly. They would have been an excellent team. Real shame the producers didn't figure that out and make some changes! They missed so many good opportunities back then. Shame. The Awakening really was charming, so many good pieces, but it really was rushed along. This is also one of the few episodes where it feels like Davison was comfortable playing the Doctor - and I can see shades of his performance in Matt Smith, even if it is very subtle.

  • July 9, 2011, 3:43 a.m. CST

    I'm not entirely sure Genesis of the Daleks contradicts the Daleks

    by HornOrSilk

    Sam, you have to remember, there is a long time between the two stories, and the Daleks got locked up in their city in that time. Who knows what they might have done to themselves to keep going.

  • July 9, 2011, 3:45 a.m. CST

    It is still an issue of pacing folks

    by HornOrSilk

    The early shows were _not_ meant to be watched all together in one evening. They were meant to be watched once a week. Sometimes you got a filler episode, just like we do today, but back then they also did so many more episodes a year you can understand _why_ they did such fillers at times. And they still allowed some point of interest if you watch it as a serial. Serial stories have a different dynamic, and with a different pace than now, the two together explains why sometimes early episodes seem real slow. Plus, early Doctor Who is like a live stage play with special effects being filmed...

  • July 9, 2011, 5:02 a.m. CST

    With no Torchwood talkback, just want to say ep1 was good.

    by V'Shael

    It had its plot problems, but it was like a good episode of the old series. Not too Americanised at all.

  • July 9, 2011, 6:05 a.m. CST

    I've been inspired to go ans watch some old Doctor Who...

    by dj_bollocks

    It's been a while... Watched Day Of The Daleks last night... not the greatest - memorable for the fact that the Dalek invasion consisted of 3 tatty looking Daleks and only one extermination across the whole story... which was a good one, one of the first not written by Terry Nation if I recall correctly. Started watching Earthshock again and think I'll peruse City Of Death again later... Lots of nostalgia to be had... Maybe Merrick might consider these Docbacks being a book club of sorts... As he discovers Doctor Who from the beginning maybe we can take turns in offering our more experienced viewpoint as part of the article instead of the various comments (which let's face it sometimes divert a little from the article !) Just a suggestion - always a good read on a Friday night / Saturday morning !

  • July 9, 2011, 6:33 a.m. CST

    Static Electricity, Microfilm and ... the Megabyte Modem!

    by veteran_of_mu

    We do go on about the Valeyard a lot here but when the guy's superweapon is a "megabyte modem" ... well, microfilm does hold an impressive amount of information at that rate, doesn't it? It's a bit odd but there were far fewer techno-undershoots in Star Trek than in Doctor Who. Then again it could be worse. Kessel Run, anyone? To quote Ken Thompson, never underestimate the bandwidth of a station wagon full of mag-tapes ...

  • July 9, 2011, 6:44 a.m. CST

    Techno undershoots in Trek.

    by V'Shael

    We have better communicators today than Trek does. They both undershot in their own way. Probably because tech advancement happens so fast these days, it's impossible to predict what the world will be like in 20 years.

  • July 9, 2011, 7:48 a.m. CST

    Been looking forward to Miracle Day

    by thefirerises

    Keeping my fingers crossed regarding recent critical reception. If they bring everything together we could still have something good on our hands, though I doubt it will reach CoE level.

  • July 9, 2011, 7:49 a.m. CST

    Also, wrapped Series 5 yesterday

    by thefirerises

    Was my first foray into the world of Who - thoroughly enjoyed it. Won't be starting Series 6 until the complete series is out on Blu, so until then I am curious - should I go RTD/Tennant on this mofo? Or would it just seem really inconsistent in comparison to the Moffat-era's generally strong output?

  • July 9, 2011, 8:27 a.m. CST

    Trek vs Who undershoot

    by veteran_of_mu

    @v'shael, Good point on the communicators. There's one episode of ST TOS, I forget which, where Kirk uses a communicator to prove he's from an advanced civilisation. I imagine him pulling this on 21st century Earth and having a bunch of folk pull out iphones. Then again Kirk's Earth suffered WW3 in the late 20th century so you'd kind of expect some of their tech to get set back. Soviets were going down a very different technological path from the west - lots of analog/ternary computers etc. backed by Zhegalkin polynomials. You can imagine that if the West had got pwned Kirk might have wound up without Von Neumann architecture 'puters and hence in a very different tech ballpark. Which brings us to: http://onceuponageek.com/images/startrek_drwho.jpg

  • July 9, 2011, 8:49 a.m. CST

    kanekofan - unfortunately most people posting on these boards...

    by sam jacksons wig

    ...don't make up the majority of the TV watching audience. And just because we appreciate things differently to others, doesn't mean that TV execs will pander to us at all. Infact, quite the opposite. As Rush said in their track Superconductor..."Target Mass Appeal.." and this kind of audience don't have the attention span required to sit through the old kind of serial. TV analysts even say the same thing.

  • July 9, 2011, 9:45 a.m. CST

    Step Into The 80s!!!

    by MoffatBabies

    My first thought was... again? No thanks. lol Wonderful ads. Also love the Insurance ads he did later on. I'm about to get into quite a bit of the All Creatures Great and Wimey... I mean he Davison years. I'm skipping ahead out of convenience. I know.. bad. But I was just loaned a bunch of DVDs and I can't wait. Hope everyone is well and happy here.

  • July 9, 2011, 10:10 a.m. CST

    thefirerises - if you wnt to get to grips with Who...

    by sam jacksons wig

    ...then inevitably you will have to watch Tennants take on things. Why? He was such a huge influence on the role, and at times (before the mugging and soap opera dramatics that made up the back end of the 3rd season) lived the role so well it was a thing of beauty to behold. The first showing of the weeping angels in "Blink" is a Tennant stand out and leads nicely into what you have already seen with the crashed Byzantium in series 5. River Song showing up in the 2 parter silence in the library/forest of the dead will give you an insight into the characters origins in Who, and is well worth a watch- that 2 parter is blinding and almost made me like Catherine Tate as Donna Noble (his companion at the time.) Series 2 Tennant (where I would start if you are only interested in seeing Tennant as the Doc, if not then start with Eccleson in "Rose"- I loved him in the role of the Doc and cried when he left!!) has some gems in it as well. Tooth and Claw is not a bad episode, dealing with a werwolf legend in Scotland; the Girl in the Fireplace is quite possibly the standout of the series for the acting alone, Tennant at his very very best here and a pleasure to watch; Rise of the Cybermen and the age of steel 2 parter is okay if you can get past Roses mum and dad ballsing things up; Impossible planet and Satan Pit 2 parter is fantastic stuff! Just great Who sci-fi and a must watch; and then you have the episodes love & monsters and fear her- watch these and see just how bad Who can get if you get things wrong, and they did here both times in spectacular fashion!!!! Inconsistent- No! RTD and Tennant had a completely different agenda and style of writing thatn Moff and Smith. On these TBs some of us are pig sick of comparisons bewteen the two. There is much to enjoy from Tennant, and regardless of what people think his importance to the Who cannon cannot be understated. To many he IS their Doctor, and a worthy one at that. In years to come, he may just be remembered as mosts favourite incarnation of our favorite timelord. Check him out- you wont be disappointed. Oh, and get to watch Human nature/ family of blood as soon as humanly possible. It's just about as good as Who gets and then some!!! Hope you enjoy!! SJW.

  • July 9, 2011, 10:15 a.m. CST

    and since it was brought up in the article here...

    by MoffatBabies

    That brain ..chip.., the implant that improves recall in rats? Note that in the article, and possibly the research, they focus on how it will help people with degenerative brain disease. And of COURSE that's a wonderful thing. But why is it the scientific community and so many people in general are so afraid of or actually opposed to OPTIMIZING the human brain? Because some of those drugs developed for alzheimer's and other diseases of the brain actually have been shown to improve cognitive function in healthy adults, some even used to treat things like amnesia and brain injury from hypothermia have worked real wonders on healthy folks. Vasopressin, Hydergine.. you know the ones they called ..Smart Drugs.. back in the late 80s, early 90s. Ones dismissed as producing the ..placebo effect.. in fact were so far from being placebos it was silly. Why on earth would someone use a placebo on a patient suffering from brain injury from hypothermia? It's ridiculous. I know you joke about someday getting that chip so you can remember things better, but I think there will always be people opposed to it. Why? I really can't nail down why, personally. Fear? Jealousy? Fear that certain people will have an advantage, as if life were a sport? I'm sure it has something to do with insanity like that, but I can't be sure. I know some would try to argue with the old straw man thing that I'm against helping the sick and want to focus and being super-human instead. But no, I'm simply saying that for the most part, researchers tend to actively ignore the possibilities for augmentation rather than focusing on bringing the sick back to baseline when in fact BOTH can be worked on at the same time without loss to either. Anyway... sorry that was sort of off topic, but not really since I wouldn't have even brought it up if it wasn't for that link. How do you think something like this could go wrong in the future... other than the standard ..drunk with power.. superbrain stories like on Trek when Barkley became super-smart and took over the Enterprise. Has Doctor Who ever tackled that kind of story? What do you think the other ramifications are?

  • July 9, 2011, 10:17 a.m. CST

    Horn- agree in part.....

    by sam jacksons wig

    ...however, you have to admit that it wasn't explained very well (or at all). When he travels back in Genesis, you dont see or have no reference to the earlier metal floor based versions. Surely you would have if it was part of their mythology?

  • July 9, 2011, 10:26 a.m. CST

    *spoiler*

    by MoffatBabies

    Ahem... and I know that Vasopressin and Hydergine work because I used to get them from Switzerland and Mexico when I'd visit and (legally) bring them back with me. Then ordering them through the mail. The most shockingly non-placebo of the bunch was Vasopressin (now called Desmopressin or DDAVP because the patent ran out for Sandoz.. yes that Sandoz and it can be made by anyone), a synthetic posterior pituitary hormone typically used to treat bedwetting in children with diabetes mellitus. That stuff worked abruptly and very obviously. Once I took a sniff (it's a liquid sprayed into the nostrils) and sat down to take notes about childhood events in detail that I had not recalled in decades. It gives immediate ... I can only call it clarity. It's a stimulant, not euphoric. The potential for abuse is minimal. But you have to watch yourself with it because you can retain too much water and it has the potential to alter your blood pressure. Not something to be used daily, for sure. Enough of that then. Why is it a spoiler? Because if you ever meet me... you'll no longer be shocked at how insanely intelligent I am. I wouldn't want to ruin that for anyone. ....lol... I kid, I kid.

  • July 9, 2011, 10:28 a.m. CST

    sorry...

    by MoffatBabies

    That should have read NOT a stimulant.

  • July 9, 2011, 10:29 a.m. CST

    Sam agree in general

    by HornOrSilk

    However, I think the reason for all the changes is understandable. Originally, the Daleks were a surprise hit. They had to be brought back, and so the idea of bringing them back with static-energy packs was the way forward, but eventually, they were able to adapt and not need it (well, they probably have some version of it on them). Nonetheless, they got used so long without them, it's easy to understand why no mention of it is had in the story. As a side note, "Masters of War" is a great alternative sequel to "The Daleks."

  • July 9, 2011, 10:32 a.m. CST

    What was everyone's take on Torchwood? *spoilers*

    by MoffatBabies

    I wrote up my review in the Torchwood talkback. Here it is.... My impression? Mixed. Don't get me wrong, I'm excited as hell to be back in their universe watching a new story unveil, and a damn good one premise-wise to boot. But a few of the moments of humour fell a little flat. Some of the action felt tagged-on for the sake of action, when a shorter, more intimate encounter would have allowed for greater dramatic tension and character exposition. (was the helicopter chase necessary or did RTD just want one?) A few things bothered me that I felt were missing, or were missed opportunities for some really dark, creepy moments. Such as the crashed helicopter. How seriously demented and appropriate at the same tie would it have been if one of the ..soldiers.. or the pilot stumbled out of the flames either screaming or angry and screaming, running toward them? Perhaps with a missing arm or half his face gone? And what's up with Jack? Where's his wit and cockiness? I can understand it after he finds out he's mortal, but not before. It just seemed not quite all there. And the situation from Children of Earth doesn't cut it as an excuse. He's obviously back because he's dealt with all that already... and if not... explain it! Or take it down even a few more notches. Gwen was Gwen, perfectly. Like she stepped right out of the last series into this one. And her husband. The dynamics of their characters and their scenes felt perfect. The new characters? Not as bad as expected. The blonde CIA lady fit right in, but Mekhi Phifer's character seemed to have a few comedic moments tacked on to his scenes and they just didn't work as well as I think they expected them to. Was it the delivery or the writing? Not sure. LOVED the doctor doing the .... autopsy? Great little scene and I hope we get him back again, because his moment outshined a LOT of the others. And I really hope we get more of that creepy, gory stuff in upcoming episodes. Pullman has a chance here to chew on the scenery like he's an alien that eats only scenery and has been starved nearly to death. But he holds back and it works. I hate him... and can't wait to see what he does next. Now if the show can pick up the pace a little, hit a few of the right character notes, it could be great. We'll see. I criticize because I love. Overall, I enjoyed myself and will be watching to the end. And I hope beyond. Cross your fingers and hope it does well, all over. That's that.

  • July 9, 2011, 10:39 a.m. CST

    *more Torchwood spoilers* (somewhat)

    by MoffatBabies

    Honestly... these still-alive people are far more frightening than slow zombies or even fast zombies. They have the full function of their brains. That's really scary. And many of them should be rightly pissed off, since it appears this situation doesn't do anything about pain. I hope that gets explored deeply... as in raging, pain-riddled freaks running around with cancerous tumors the size of basketballs and skin lesions that turn their skin to hamburger. Maybe even a disembodied head as the "head" of a pain cult hopped up on powerful opiates with delusions of grandeur. The possibilities are endless. Holy Crap... maybe this series Cap Jack will become the disembodied Face of Boe. It certainly feels foreshadowed with that whole scene in the morgue when he even suggests they "take off the head". Maybe I should lay off the caffeine this morning.

  • July 9, 2011, 10:40 a.m. CST

    And that last post was a tiny bit more than just Torchwood spoilers.

    by MoffatBabies

    Just in case. Not everyone knows of The Face's origin.

  • July 9, 2011, 10:41 a.m. CST

    sam jacksons wig

    by MoffatBabies

    Sorry it took me so long to show up. Hope I've made up for it now.

  • July 9, 2011, 10:56 a.m. CST

    Wow! Those updates are amazing.

    by MoffatBabies

    And that letter at the end. Can you imagine being a kid at just the right age and reading that? What a well-designed thing they did. Brilliant!

  • July 9, 2011, 10:59 a.m. CST

    It kind of sucks that we'll never get to see that performance.

    by MoffatBabies

    But then again, it makes it so much more special for those lucky folks who got to see it.

  • July 9, 2011, 11:04 a.m. CST

    Yeah, the crash of elysium sounds AMAZING.

    by notspock2

    Not Jealous Not Jealous Not Jealous Not Jealous Not Jealous Not Jealous Not Jealous Not Jealous Not Jealous Not Jealous Not Jealous Not Jealous Not Jealous Not Jealous Not Jealous Not Jealous Not Jealous etc.

  • July 9, 2011, 11:20 a.m. CST

    I don't believe you

    by MoffatBabies

    .. but me either... me either ...me either!!!

  • July 9, 2011, 11:42 a.m. CST

    Ridley Scott almost designed the Daleks...

    by Boba Fat

    Or so the story goes. He was a BBC designer at the time, and almost got the job of designing the Daleks. Can't imagine what he'd have come up with nor do I think Cusick's designs could be bettered. Interesting, 'What if?" though

  • Kids 5 to 6.30 and myself and the wife at 8pm!!! It seems well worth the money to me and I will not get to experience anything like it again!!! Now I have to find a hotel around the area for the night, oh and the small matter of booking the following day off work which i have not done yet! All small potatoes though as this will be something that I will enjoy to the max!!!!

  • July 9, 2011, 12:22 p.m. CST

    moffatbabies - about time you bloody showed up!!! ;))

    by sam jacksons wig

    And only a paltry 7 posts to make up for it??? For shame sir!!!! For shame!!!

  • July 9, 2011, 12:28 p.m. CST

    My all time favorite Dalek moment, is in the Story#2...

    by Rebel Scumb

    When they capture Susan and make her write a ransom note. Which in and of itself is hilarious that the daleks are reduced to such lowball methods. But Susan is writing (and clearly just jibberish that no one thought would be readable on camera) and for no reason at all one of the daleks just reaches out its plunger and shoves her! Its hilarious and she looks genuinely surprised and indignant. I rewind that part constantly and rewatch it.

  • July 9, 2011, 12:31 p.m. CST

    moffatbabies-

    by sam jacksons wig

    will not be drawn into a conversation about non=prescribed medication (for hopefully obvious reasons), but for heavens sake, be careful. Vaspressin, if not taken correctly has the potential to permanently damage the functions of the kidneys as it disallows the absorbtion of molecules by damaging the tubeules. This can lead to alsorts of complications not limited to increased blood pressure and toxins in the blood stream which if unchecked can damage major organs, not least of all the liver. Oh, and yes, I AM insanely intelligent. :))

  • July 9, 2011, 12:32 p.m. CST

    sam jacksons wi, re RTD/Tennant era

    by Rebel Scumb

    For me what it comes down to is, regardless of how much I like Moff and Smith era, and regardless of any criticisms leveled at the tennant/RTD stuff (99% of which I don't agree with) for me it comes down to all of the greatest episodes of Who (for me anyways) are in that era. I'm not saying all of them were masterpieces, and many of them were written by Moff. But there has been nothing in the Moffat show runner era that (in my opinion) is on the same level as Girl in the fireplace, blink, midnight, silence in the library, doomsday, satan pit, utopia, human nature, shakespeare code, dalek, and many of the other greats. I love Moffat as showrunner, but I still feel all of his contributions under RTD were his best stuff. The moffat stuff seems to function well as a complete season, but on an episode by episode basis there are (for me) very few stand outs.

  • July 9, 2011, 12:33 p.m. CST

    Horn-

    by sam jacksons wig

    you have to agree that it is still an inconsistency though????? Most wouldn't catch onto it, but its there for all to see. And you're certainly correct- with the Daleks becoming the primary foe of the Doc, it would be stupid to have them limited to a city on Skaro with metal floors. They wouldn't be as malalovent as they are now, would they?

  • July 9, 2011, 12:39 p.m. CST

    Oh Sam, you're all in for quite the treat!

    by Mister Vertue

    Be sure to give us all some feedback on the experience after you've seen it. The folks at Punchdrunk have done an amazing job and the whole thing is an assault on the senses (including your nose) that you'll never forget. Just be sure to wear comfy shoes!

  • July 9, 2011, 12:42 p.m. CST

    Rebel... oddly enough, I agree with you!!!

    by sam jacksons wig

    Love Smith and love the Moff (I really think the guy is a genius when it comes to this stuff- how I envy his talent!) but as there have been many more episodes courtesy of RTD and Tennant, then I am inclined, through the law of statistics, to agree with you. Give it another 2 or 3 series and I am sure we will be picking out classics in far greater double digits thanks to the Moff and Smith (if he's still around), and the 2013 series has all of the potential to deliver classic episode after classic episode. As a fan, I feel we are in the golden age of Who. 2013 is making me salivate, and we haven't even gotten to series 7 yet!!! Or the end of series 6, which i believe will blow us all the fuck away!!! Each episode you have mentioned above- Girl in fireplace, midnight (I love that episode!! The tension is so palpable you can fucking taste it!), blink, shakespeare (love the take on Ol' Bill!! My English teacher would have shit bricks if I had read Shakespeare like that to him at school!) and UTOPIA and sound of Drums!!! Yes! I love those! Love 'em to bits!! But give it a while- TIA, DOTM, Rebel Flesh, Almost people; we will recall all of those and more with the same fondness.

  • July 9, 2011, 12:45 p.m. CST

    Regarding Shakespeare.....

    by sam jacksons wig

    I have a complete version of his works handed down to me by my grandfather (god rest his soul) which I had valued in 2006. then, it was worth £475. I would never ever part with it though. A true thing of beauty and enrichment given to me by one of the greatest men to ever walk the face of gods green earth.

  • July 9, 2011, 12:49 p.m. CST

    man_of_vertue - I truly cannot wait!!!

    by sam jacksons wig

    I really don't give a shit about money (and am in quite a good position financially so I can't complain), and no matter what the cost I would have done this anyway! Truth be known, I am so fucking glad that Merrick posted the link or I would have known nothing about it, and missed a once in a lifetime chance to see something like this. Of course I will share my thoughts with you all once I have been- it should be quite a busy weekend for me. Harry Potter and I have a date also!!!

  • Just hope the wait is worth it. I am however, enjoying a cool pint of Magners pear cider. Heaven in a glass over ice.

  • July 9, 2011, 1 p.m. CST

    I agree SJW

    by Rebel Scumb

    and especially if you think of series 5 as essentially series 1 of a new era then they are in store to just get better and better (as I feel the 4 series of RTD did)

  • July 9, 2011, 1:06 p.m. CST

    I'm torn as to whether I should watch torchwood or not

    by Rebel Scumb

    I love capt jack as a character. But I find Torchwood as a show is always like being emotionally gutted. I thought Children of earth was pretty amazing right up to when Ianto died. But that final episode was just so devastating, and I mean I'm all for dark stuff, but it just felt depressing for depressing sake, and not nearly important a story enough to justify how crappy I felt afterwards. I keep wanting to love torchwood, the ingredients are all there, especially since they killed off the less likeable characters, but I just can't seem to click with it. I do hope Capt Jack returns to Who next year though.

  • July 9, 2011, 1:08 p.m. CST

    and by that I mean Miracle day. I've seen all the rest.

    by Rebel Scumb

  • July 9, 2011, 1:27 p.m. CST

    Rebel- children of earth was fantastic!!!

    by sam jacksons wig

    i was NOT ready for anything like that from the torchwood clan, and it amazed me that they went there! Depressing ending? Oh fuck yes, and rightfully so! How else could it have ended? All twee, with Jack saving the day? Would not have worked. the death of his grandson was SO right for the show, and I felt that that was it. If it was a place to go out, it went out with everyone who watched talking about it. Now, I have to get on a plane, hunt down Gwen Cooper and have violent sex with her. PLEASE!!!!!!

  • July 9, 2011, 1:28 p.m. CST

    Sam, yes, I agree in general

    by HornOrSilk

    The thing is, I seem to remember _something_ struck me last time I watched Genesis, as if it were a one line thing, which connected to the Daleks. I don't remember what it was, though, and I don't even remember if it was connected with this issue or not. But in general, yes, it is a concern. Still, I think it is interesting that RTD said the Time War began with Genesis of the Daleks. We can always say, just as the Doctor interfered, the Daleks themselves did something in return, dealing with their own weaknesses earlier? It would be a cool back-to-the-future McGann thing to do -- for the 50th anniversary (hint to anyone in charge reading this).

  • ..yes, I do not own them- well, I do now. Feel a torchwood marathon coming on, methinks.

  • July 9, 2011, 1:51 p.m. CST

    I only own Children of Earth

    by HornOrSilk

    But one day, when I find them cheap on Blu Ray, will think about getting them, for the few episodes I do like.

  • July 9, 2011, 2:35 p.m. CST

    Horn- go onto play.com

    by sam jacksons wig

    http://www.play.com/DVD/DVD/6-/Search.html?searchtype=r2alldvd&searchsource=0&searchstring=torchwood+series+2&add=5388876 Quite possibly the cheapest you will find them at the minute. Except -ebay where I have just bought children of earth for £5.99!!! Bargain!!!

  • July 9, 2011, 2:45 p.m. CST

    SWJ

    by C

    What are the odds you can get one of those fancy eyeball video cameras and record the whole thing four us stuck here States side?

  • ... with pure excitement!!! I also think they would notice me walking in looking like an extra from a james bond movie. It is, however, going to be 7 shades of awesomeness!!! What's more, the wife didn't have a clue I had booked any of it, and arriving in from work at 8.45 this evening she found out. Yes!!!!!! Spontanuity!!!!! Coupled with "I hope you're paying for it all!!!" *nb- my wife earns twice what I do. Cheap cow!!!

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    by HornOrSilk

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  • July 9, 2011, 7:57 p.m. CST

    Hey Sammy?

    by BobWalnut

    Play it again? Wanker...

  • July 9, 2011, 9:38 p.m. CST

    I too might buy the first three seasons of TORCHWOOD.

    by The Transformed Man

    Now that the prices seem to have come down. The first episode of "Miracle Day" was a lot of fun, although I too noticed that an angry charred person didn't come running out of the helicopter wreckage flailing around.

  • July 9, 2011, 9:38 p.m. CST

    And well played, Sam. Well played.

    by The Transformed Man

  • July 9, 2011, 9:54 p.m. CST

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    by Renee Knowles

    Satan Pit? REALLY? Eleventh Hour, Time of Angels/Flesh and Stone, Impossible Astronaut, Vincent and the Doctor, and the Doctors Wife were not better than that?

  • July 9, 2011, 10:05 p.m. CST

    Sammy

    by Renee Knowles

    Fucking Magners ;) (Sorry, I've decided that this is just what I'm going to call it from now on.) I went to London with the hopes of getting some good cider for once. Very few bars/pubs/restaurants served cider here in the States (though you can get it at the liquor stores). I get there, and what does EVERYONE have? Fucking Magners. Probably my least favorite cider ever :\ Then, after one of the best weeks of my life, I return home and notice that more and more places are now serving cider. What brand, pray tell? FUCKING MAGNERS! Even the bars that served Hard Core, Strongbow, or Woodchuck before have switched. I blame you all for introducing that... stuff.... and making it popular :P

  • July 9, 2011, 10:06 p.m. CST

    Satan Pit

    by Rebel Scumb

    Impossible astronaut & Vincent and the doctor were pretty strong. I've never understood all the love for 'eleventh hour' or 'the doctor's wife', neither of which I consider to be bad, but I wouldn't stack them anywhere near the best of Who, or even of the particular seasons they appeared in. But hey I'm weird, I consider 'the best below' one of the very best of series 5 (second only to Vincent & Pandorica/big bang)

  • July 9, 2011, 10:08 p.m. CST

    But to be fair

    by Rebel Scumb

    I prefer the futuristic outerspace stories, if it were up to me then 80% of all doctor who stories would be future/space episodes, with the majority of the remainder being historical episodes, and only one episode per series being present day stuff. Satan Pit is a great epic space story, really creepy, big production values, very high concept, iconic title. For me that 2 parter is the high point of series 2.

  • July 9, 2011, 10:13 p.m. CST

    The Beast Below

    by The Transformed Man

    I like that one more than most people seem to myself.

  • July 9, 2011, 10:39 p.m. CST

    rebel scumb

    by Renee Knowles

    I thought Satan Pit was cheesy. INCREDIBLY cheesy. Not "oh, well, it's Doctor Who, and the cheesy bits can be a lot of fun." Nope. And while the special effects were amazing, I thought how they depicted the Big Baddie was just unoriginal, and their explanation didn't sit well with me (I'm a big fan of religious philosophy, but it just didn't work). Eleventh Hour was a solid introduction to the new characters. It was funny, excitin, a good story, and established a start for the series to come. The scene at the end where the Doctor addresses the Atraxi was worth the price of admission alone. I could, however, see how one might not put it at the top of their list when compared to other episodes, but I thought it was particularly good for these reasons. Oh, the Doctors Wife. The dialog, the characters, the acting, the concept, the bit at the end. Idris'/Sexy's lines were all great; the whole part about 'borrowing' indicating an intention of returning the item that was taken, calling the Doctor her "thief", that she always took him where he needed to go. The Doctor's reaction when she "died". It was all just beautiful to me. And talk about iconic titles! Honestly, I didn't really like The Beast Below at first, but upon second (or possibly third) viewing... I loved it. Not Vincent and the Doctor, but definitely a lot better than I was giving it credit for. The concept, the grittiness of the sets, the society they'd built... very cool.

  • July 9, 2011, 10:40 p.m. CST

    Oh and sammy

    by Renee Knowles

    Where were we? Doing Saturday stuff :P

  • July 9, 2011, 11:05 p.m. CST

    My thing with the eleventh hour...

    by Rebel Scumb

    Is that I love the entire first half, everything up until they leave Amy's house, and then it just feels like all the atmosphere and everything that was making the episode work goes out the window, and it just feels like (to me) any number of other episodes set in the present day where some alien wants to destroy the earth. The first half was a great character introduction, and had all the makings of a really creepy bottleshow especially once the doctor ends up handcuffed to the radiator. Could of been a Midnight style corker. It did overall do a good job of introducing the new characters, and there is nothing particularly wrong with it, I just wouldn't consider it above and beyond any other episode. But because I feel the first half is about 5 times better than the second half, it always leaves me feeling dissappointed as a result. As for the satan pit, I didn't find it cheesier than any other episode. For me it felt like everything I watch Dr. Who for, all wrapped in a good 2 parter. Are there better episodes? absolutely. Of the few I mentioned, I'd put it near the bottom, but overall for the series I consider it among the best.

  • July 9, 2011, 11:07 p.m. CST

    As for the doctor's wife...

    by Rebel Scumb

    It's pretty good. All the stuff with the doctor and sexy is great. My problem is that they tried to stuff all the stuff about House into the episode, which I think is a great premise but isn't really utilized enough. It feels like half the episode got cut out or something, or maybe it should have been a two parter. Or 2 seperate stories. One about the tardis becoming a woman. and another entirely seperate story about House. Again, it's not a bad episode. But it's one I see get a lot of praise that I just felt pretty indifferent about both times I watched it. Just a good standard episode.

  • July 9, 2011, 11:18 p.m. CST

    Eleventh Hour

    by James Taylor

    Well, I guess after 11 years as a visitor I've finally signed up so I can talkback. All thanks to Merrick and his safe haven or relative sanity and quiet reflection (and a place where Who nerds can just shoot the shit). I agree that Eleventh hour goes down hill after they leave Amy's house, but the hill is so high it's still a long way up it when the credits roll. The only super low point for me was the "doctor vision" cam part, which was clearly clever, probably expensive, and a complete waste of time - I'm glad they've not done that since. Oh, and prisoner zero does nothing scary for 80% of the show. But everything else: look in the mirror, creepy child teeth, jacking a fire engine, Amy's face watching the Doctor strip, the Atraxi callback, Patrick Moore! Laptop Jeff's dubious 'net history the "2 years ago!" gag and the wedding dress twist (With *that music over the top). It's a great episode from top to bottom. I also love the title - It works on so many different levels. It's one they could only ever use once so effectively, and it was well chosen. Oh, and Amy in a police uniform is never unwelcome ;)

  • July 9, 2011, 11:19 p.m. CST

    Oh, and thetransformedman...

    by James Taylor

    Helicopter crashes have a tendency to result in massive spinal trauma - not a lot of running around after that, no matter how much you're on fire and can't die. remember, not indestructible, just undying.

  • July 9, 2011, 11:41 p.m. CST

    Trivia trivia, the trivial kind

    by timesfool

    If you visited the Science Fiction Museum in Seattle after it first opened, the ONLY piece of Doctor Who-related memorabilia was the film poster for Dr. Who and the Daleks (as seen in the post) - and it was located in the lady's restroom. No idea if they've added anything since.

  • Fair point, hqn.

  • July 9, 2011, 11:46 p.m. CST

    The Doctor's Wife

    by The Transformed Man

    Gaiman had written it for series 5 for a point during which Rory was still sort of dead, and he had to do some rewrites and shoehorn Rory in. He also said a bit ended up getting cut from the episode, as always happens. It's not a perfect episode, but I quite liked it myself. Not sure how different its original version was.

  • July 9, 2011, 11:55 p.m. CST

    timesfool

    by The Transformed Man

    Have they had problems with male Whovian tourists raiding the ladies' room?

  • July 9, 2011, 11:57 p.m. CST

    Spam & Acid

    by veteran_of_mu

    Y'know, Sam, some of us might post more if there was less bodyless posting about meaningless numbers ... reads like spam to me ... you might find the docbacks more populous if you didn't stoop to that. Just saying ... Back about 1,000 empty posts or so there was an interesting comment by moffatbabies about drugs that improve mental function. There has been a lot of debate about these things in other forums. Really, anything that works as a stimulant or which has proved deleterious to other functions is something to avoid. But if you're interested in such stuff I should mentions have found an enormous benefit to all mental and physical functions in a medicine called "low dose naltrexone". Naltrexone used to be prescribed for drug addicts and alcoholics. It blocks opiate receptors. Turns out if you take it in low doses - Google LDN for details - it blocks those receptors for just a couple of hours. During that time your body cranks out endorphins and more opiate receptors like crazy. And it turns out these things are what control the human immune system. Upshot is you get the sleep patterns and blood pressure of a 20-year-old while also fixing/preventing most auto-immune conditions. Including Crohn's, Parkinson's, MS, arthritis, and many forms of cancer. Why mention this here? Well we all love a certain long-lived genius ... which suggests we'd all rather enjoy being long-lived genii ourselves ... Hmm. Any extropians here? Or is that old fashioned now ... ? Anyway the one nootropic I've always been curious about but too chicken-shit to try is acid. I've read that it permanently boosts IQ by about 10 points. At the risk, however, of monsters. Monsters from the Id ...

  • July 10, 2011, 12:43 a.m. CST

    sam jack's wig

    by thefirerises

    Many thanks for the recommendations - can't wait to get onboard, hopefully I am pleasantly surprised! I actually bought the Tennant Specials on Blu at the same time I got Series 5 and Children of Earth (they were all so cheeeap, how could I resist!?), so now I just have an excuse to hunt down the DVDs of series 1 through 4. The problem I've had with my (brief) experiences with Tennant-era Doc thus far is that there seems to be a more notable focus on cheaper preasant-day stories. The only (two) episodes I've actually seen, I don't know the names for, but I can tell you I really didn't like them. If I describe the premise, hopefully they can be identified, and I see whether these are typically considered bad, and I've just been unlucky, or whether these are benchmark eps or something. 1) Series 4 premiere, I think, where Catherine Tate (whom I really don't like) is trying to find the Doc, and they bump into each other because of they're investigating the oh-so-topical weight loss pills. This was followed by these terrible CGI fat monsters... 2) Have also seen an episode where they're in the Big Brother house or something. And there were scenes with The Weakest Link? Can't remember much of this one... just know it didn't sit right with me at all...

  • July 10, 2011, 12:46 a.m. CST

    LOVE The Beast Below!

    by thefirerises

    Oddly its what got me onboard the show - I liked The Eleventh Hour, don't get me wrong, but it didn't totally sell me (as many have mentioned, that second half kinda feels like deadweight occasionally). Beast Below rocked up however, and the set designs, the Smilers, the mystery, the whole thing sold me! Reminiscent of when got into The X-Files and Trek a couple of years ago - just love a good sci-fi inspired romp that knows where to draw the line between character and sci-fi. Even with only series 5 behind me though, I'm certainly more impressed by Who than X-Files, for example.

  • July 10, 2011, 12:50 a.m. CST

    @thefirerises - Well, those two episodes...

    by V'Shael

    are Partners in Crime and Bad Wolf... Honestly, I liked PiC well enough. I didn't really start to like Donna until the following episode where she begged for the lives of the people in Pompeii. But BadWolf was yet another example of RTD cacking all over sci-fi, because despite never meeting a year he couldn't slap a billion on to, he can't think further than next week. So 500 TV stations, and Big Brother, Weakest Link and What are you Wearing, still exist.

  • July 10, 2011, 12:59 a.m. CST

    @caractacuspotts - Thanks for the info on LDN

    by V'Shael

    Though I don't have the will power to be an extropian (mostly because I think humanities days are numbered to be honest), I do appreciate a good nootropic. I live in Belgium at the moment, and many nootropics which are still not approved by the FDA in America, have been available without a prescription over here for years and years and years. The main one I use is Piracetam, for memory and mental acuity, which I believe you can still get in the US. Acid, for what it's worth, I can't see it raising IQ points permanently. Not that it's a valid intelligence measure anyway, IQ. But in low doses, where it boosts creativity, you might see a temporary increase. You can perform much better on the sorts of tests which go : Find as many common elements between an Apple and the Earth as you can in 60 seconds. That sort of thing. I guess I'm lucky in a way living so close to the Netherlands. While acid isn't exactly legal there, the drug culture is so wide open you can be pretty sure the quality of any acid you'd buy, is good.

  • July 10, 2011, 1:24 a.m. CST

    Guess I'll stick it out with Tate then

    by thefirerises

    She can't be THAT bad if they had her come back (being a 'fan favourite', as networks love to bill characters). Good to know that Bad Wolf isn't seen as any form of a high point - man that thing really stank up the place. High quality concepts all over the place in that one, kudos RTD! Also, Torchwood - should I bother going through that thing? Loved CoE, the only other episode I've seen though is They Come from the Rain or something, which I thought was also pretty good. Maybe I should just jump series 1 and go with series 2?

  • July 10, 2011, 2:03 a.m. CST

    @v'shael + Question for all Whovians

    by veteran_of_mu

    @v'shael I've had a good experience with LDN and so has my cat. But as with anything you have to do your own research and make up your own mind. I'm not a doctor and don't play one on TV ;). Meanwhile on Who ... here's a little though experiment. Let's imagine for a moment that a blue box containing a strange man - not an actor and in fact no one you know - materialises unexpectedly in your living room. Strange man pops out and says, "look, I know this comes as a bit of a surprise, but trust me, I'm the Doctor, and I need you to come with me right now. Let's go!" Question: Would you? For real?

  • July 10, 2011, 2:05 a.m. CST

    @v'shael on acid

    by veteran_of_mu

    Thanks for the thoughts. I think I remain a chickenshit. Maybe in the right setting with people I trusted ... but I have heard too many horror too.

  • July 10, 2011, 2:05 a.m. CST

    Um, "stories" not "too".

    by veteran_of_mu

  • July 10, 2011, 2:13 a.m. CST

    Torchwood was very hit and miss. About 50/50.

    by V'Shael

    It was sold as a more adult sci-fi, and it really isn't. For the most part, it's kid scifi, but with sex themes that wouldn't make it suitable for kids. I'd recommend : The pilot, as an introduction Ghost Machine and Small Worlds are okay, and interesting to see because they show that the team isn't always successful. They Keep Killing Suzie is good. Out Of Time : A decent take on an old scifi trope. Combat : A silly if entertaining take on Fight Club The 2 part finale : A bit silly, but good background info on Captain Jack. From Season 2, Kiss Kiss Bang Bang: Good to see James Marsters as a fellow time agent. Reset : Not a good episode but sets up several plot lines for the series Dead Man Walking Adrift : Probably the most mature of the scifi stories. The 2 part finale : Much better than the wrap up to year 1. Of course, that's just my opinion of which episodes are worth a look. No doubt others can give their two cents worth too.

  • July 10, 2011, 2:15 a.m. CST

    thefirerises

    by James Taylor

    Series 1 and 2 are highly variable, at they're best they're absolutely amazing (Day one, Countrycide, out of time, random shoes, Captain Jack Harkness from S1 & most of S2) but at they're worst, urgh (Cyberwoman, End of Days, Meat, From out of the Rain, Cyberwoman - yes, I said it twice, it's that bad). Adrift is one of the most haunting episodes of anything I've ever seen. Basically, despite it's slightly Campy presentation, Torchwood is just a show about putting 5 people and those around them through the wringer in the most shiver inducing ways possible, week after week after week. They haven't mentioned Owen for a while, but seriously, that poor bastard. He was an arsehole, but it really sucks to be him. And I got to really liking Tate by the end of Planet of the Ood - your mileage may vary.

  • July 10, 2011, 2:16 a.m. CST

    @caractacuspotts - As for the question...

    by V'Shael

    As a consummate sceptic, I would of course go with the man in the box, however, I would assume one of the following must be true: 1) I am asleep and dreaming. 2) I am comatose and imagining this. 3) I finally went completely insane for some reason. 4) I died, and the afterlife has a strange sense of humour. I'm not sure any circumstances would exist where I'd come to believe it was The Doctor.

  • July 10, 2011, 7 a.m. CST

    Alright, I'm in

    by thefirerises

    Thanks for the info v'shael, hqn - think I'll go for the 'full' experience, warts and all. Following everyone's enthusiasm, I've put an order in for the series 1-4 DVD boxset (the price was just too good to pass up on!). With Torch, I'm courting a cheap DVD boxset of series 1 and 2 - already have CoE on Blu.

  • July 10, 2011, 7:13 a.m. CST

    Warming to The Great Question of Whovianity

    by veteran_of_mu

    There is a Spider Robinson story where two SF uber-geeks - the kind that organise cons - are themselves conned by a fellow who shaves himself bald, digs a small hole, and sets off some flash bulbs in their backyard. The effect when they run out to see what happened is of a time traveller qua Terminator. He informs them that their region is about to be destroyed by a tsunami and generally convinces them to withdraw large amounts of cash to ... well, the plot becomes quite involved, but basically to enable him to take another time-hop back to a moment when it was possible to get the Beatles back together again. On reflection I believe the entire premise of the book is to pun convention with confidence trick with retcon. In other words it's a fun read if you like Robinson. So that would be my first thought. My second thought would be similar to your responses 1, 2 & 3. I don't think I'd think of you response (4) on account of I don't really see how to make any distinction between a life and an afterlife. Now there are obvious ways to test whether you're dreaming. The easiest is simply to read something twice. If you're dreaming it won't read the same way the second time. So let's say you read the text on the box twice and it reads the same twice. Now ... what would you do? Obviously the first test of the stranger and his blue box is to see that it is bigger on the inside than on the outside. So I'll even stipulate that this charming stranger gives you a peek and sure enough, there's a library and a swimming pool in there. So you said you'd go but I want you to consider it on this basis - that you honestly believe this fellow is who he seems to be, that you're not out of your head, and that this really is an opportunity to put yourself in mortal danger while seeing the universe. Actually, worse than mortal danger - there's a fair chance you'll never have been born at all. Bearing that in mind ... would you go?

  • July 10, 2011, 7:16 a.m. CST

    v'shael

    by Renee Knowles

    Haha, too right! Probably why so many of his episodes took place in modern-day London. And I loved the Adipose episode, actually. Those terrible CGI fat monsters somehow are just so adorable, and I loved the scene where the Doctor and Donna meet up for the first time. hqn is right about "your mileage may vary". Donna is actually my favorite companion, but so many people either a) found her annoying, b) found her pointless, and/or c) couldn't get past her looks.

  • July 10, 2011, 7:18 a.m. CST

    caractacuspotts

    by Renee Knowles

    Depends on the situation. If everything were fine.... hell no. But if there were bombs going off outside or aliens attacking or whatever, yeah, I'd take my chances.

  • July 10, 2011, 7:39 a.m. CST

    beth willis

    by emeraldboy

    is leaving bbc wales. Willis On Leaving Doctor Who 07th Jul 2011 It's been confirmed that Doctor Who Executive Producer Beth Willis is leaving BBC Wales. Beth commented, 'Working with Steven Moffat, Piers Wenger and Matt Smith on the last two series of Doctor Who has been the most fantastic experience and I will miss them hugely... The plans taking shape for the next series of Doctor Who and for the 50th Anniversary are beyond exciting - and with Steven Moffat at the helm, this incredibly special time for the show is in very safe hands." Beth joined Doctor Who in 2009, shortly after producing the first two series of the iconic drama, Ashes to Ashes. She was onboard for the beginning of the Eleventh Doctor's era and her contribution was noted by Ben Stevenson, BBC's Drama Controller, who said, 'Much of its [Doctor Who's] current success is down to her vision and ambition for the show. She has been an inspiring and instrumental force and I know will be much missed by all of us, and especially Matt Smith and Steven Moffat.' During her years with BBC Wales, Beth also co-exec produced the hugely popular series of Doctor Who: The Adventure Games, Doctor Who Confidential and the BAFTA-winning Eric and Ernie. Lead Writer and Executive Producer, Steven Moffat, commented, 'We couldn't keep her forever, though God knows I tried. She is off to be brave and brilliant in brand new ways, and the sad news for Doctor Who is that it will be somewhere else.' Beth will be returning to Kudos Film & Television and everyone on the Doctor Who team wishes her the very best of luck for the future.

  • July 10, 2011, 7:44 a.m. CST

    @protocol417 on The Question

    by veteran_of_mu

    No bombs or aliens apparent. Sun's out, birds in trees going tweet tweet, little fluffy clouds in a blue sky. If you ask the stranger why he wants your help he says, "No time now. I'll explain later. Come on!"

  • July 10, 2011, 7:48 a.m. CST

    caractacuspotts- what you have taken for spamming...

    by sam jacksons wig

    ...is more of an in joke between myself and moffatbabies; and I've never seen anyone else complain before when it has been done in previous DocBacks (and it has- the long termers will tell you that.) That you should use it as a reason for others not posting here is absolute nonsense as it's a) the first time I have actually done it and b) the postings clearly started when no-one else was present, and decided to have a hoot with moffatbabies. (that is there if you go about 100 posts up- ahahahahahahaha...) That is about all I am going to explain myself as I have no desire to begin any kind of war of words with anyone here. I am just saying.....

  • July 10, 2011, 7:54 a.m. CST

    thefirerises - Tate....

    by sam jacksons wig

    ...not my favourite nu-who companion, I'm afraid to say. She did the balshy thing once too often, which got old after a few episodes, and then seemed to cry given every other opportunity. She became bearable in The Unicorn and the Wasp, and really good in the library 2 parter, but apart from that.... ...She was saddled with the most awful mother figure you can imagine, who you really just wanted to fly 5000 miles out to sea and dump here there. Truly horrific character. However, the great Bernard Cribbins as her grandad, Wilfred Mott was a series stand out. Watching series 4 just for him is worth it!! Fantastic in every scene he is in.

  • July 10, 2011, 8:03 a.m. CST

    protocol-

    by sam jacksons wig

    MAGNERS!!!!!!!! Very popular is correct!!! And very tasty!!! Ref Donna- no, it wasn't her looks that turned me off her, it was everything else. RTD seemed to grab the most popular female on TV at the time, which was good for ratings but she just didn't "gel" I could see the point in a one off like the Xmas special, but a full series? I guess that's why no renewal at the end, or was there something else to that? Maybe the point of no-more companions for Tennant as he was on the way out?

  • July 10, 2011, 8:17 a.m. CST

    conspiracy theory regarding BETH wILLIS....

    by sam jacksons wig

    Has this been coming for a while now, or is there a small chance she was the sacrificial lamb for all of the shit that has gone on with the BBC and Who? The head of BBC was supposed to be spectaculary pissed off with decisions to split the series in 2012...does anyone think that might have been the final straw?

  • July 10, 2011, 8:19 a.m. CST

    caractacuspotts- short answer to your question is "no"

    by sam jacksons wig

    As a family man, I could not bear the thought of leaving my loved ones. The rammifications of not returning to them, or something happening that changed the chance of me ever having them are too great to chance.

  • July 10, 2011, 8:23 a.m. CST

    Always thought the sex themes in Torchwood were unecessary...

    by sam jacksons wig

    ...and were there just to clearly define it from Doctor Who. Yes, they could have just upped the violence quota but I guess that wasn't enough. Not a bad show at all though. I still have thoughts of Nerys Hughes running around looking like the worst mother-in-law nightmare from hell!!!

  • July 10, 2011, 8:56 a.m. CST

    Grant Morrison?

    by HornOrSilk

    http://orbitalcomics.co.uk/podcast/orbital-podcast-grant-morrison-special.mp3

  • July 10, 2011, 8:57 a.m. CST

    I couldn't agree more, Sam, with the sex

    by HornOrSilk

    For the most part, it hurt the show instead of helped it. It made the show feel, at times, as if you were watching a show about pre-teens writing about what they think adulthood is all about.

  • July 10, 2011, 8:58 a.m. CST

    sam, as with Beth

    by HornOrSilk

    It's hard to tell. I wish we were just given straight talk instead of having us all read the tea leaves.

  • July 10, 2011, 8:59 a.m. CST

    thetransformedman, re: the doctor's wife

    by Rebel Scumb

    I wanted to clarify my 'critique' of the doctor's wife and the 11th hour from last night, because I felt I left out an important detail. I don't find either of these episodes dissappointing. In fact there isn't any of episode of new-who I don't like. Even episodes people generally dislike such as the slyveen 2parter, or fear her, or the idiot's lantern or love & monsters, I like those to. I find pretty much all of new-who to be at the same level of enjoyability for me, Out of 10 (10 being the best) I think I find there isn't any episode that dips below a 6 for me. 98% of them hover around a 7 to 9. It's just that there are a few episode I consider to be a 10, such as all the RTD era Moff episodes, midnight, the satan pit 2 parter, all of the season finales (from 1-5), shakespear code, human nature/family of blood, and a bunch of others. So it's not that I see 11th hour or the doctor's wife as being a 2 out of 10, or something like that. They are both perfectly acceptable. 11th hour is probably a 8 or maybe even a 9 in hindsight (it is enhanced a lot by the big bang) and the doctor's wife I would probably give a 7 or 8. All I was driving at is of the moff/smith era so far. I don't know if there have been any episodes I would find so deeply satisfying as to call a 10, except the pandorica opens/the big bang. I thought the impossible astronaut was pretty phenomenal, and day of the moon was pretty great to, so those are probably a 10. But I would still pick the RTD era moff episodes over those. I just find them more satisfying overall. And while I think Smith is great, and Amy Pond is right up my alley in terms of what I enjoy looking at in a woman, I just don't feel Amy is particulary well written or engaging/relatable as a companion. She's just basically a hot girl who is always horny and crazy, which is great for tossing around in the sack, but as a character she's a bit thin. I was just a lot more engaged by Martha Jones & Donna Noble, and even Rose (although she's a distant third). And I personally view the doctor's adventures through the companion's eyes (probably a result of starting with New-who).

  • July 10, 2011, 9:03 a.m. CST

    sam, personally Donna was my favorite.

    by Rebel Scumb

    I think her character is the most interesting. One because they didn't rest on the laurels of having a hot companion. And 2 because when they introduced her in 'the runaway bride' she was the most unlikeable companion imaginable. And everyone I know who has gotten into doctor who, gets to that episode and says "oh no! she's not going to take over as Rose's replacement is she???!!!" Then they are relieved when she leaves, and martha steps in. But then she comes back! and everyone gets really really worried. But what I love about Donna is she absolutely won me over, by the second or third episode. I adore her character change as a result of meeting the doctor and letting him get away. And the ending of her character in series 4 is just amazingly beautifully tragic, that she is doomed not to die, but to go back to being the same vapid crass thoughtless woman she was before she met the Doctor. Terrible. I also liked that she and the doctor were just chums. No hint of romance, it gave it a unique feel.

  • July 10, 2011, 9:04 a.m. CST

    transformedman

    by Rebel Scumb

    Just to amend my previous post, the one episode I do find to be substandard is 'the end of time' 2 parter. And even that has a lot to love, but I consider it the most lackluster of all of new-who.

  • July 10, 2011, 9:08 a.m. CST

    And I think Donna is the best female new-who companion

    by HornOrSilk

    The best companion really is Rory. Then Donna. Then Rose. Then Amy. Then Martha (since they didn't know what to do with her). Then Captain Jack. Then Mickey. Then all the "companion for a special" companions. Then Adam. Donna might be annoying, and I understand how she grates on people. But there is more to her than that, there is a heart beneath her. She is able to do to the Doctor which no one since Ian and Barbara has done, imo, and was what he needed more than anyone else for the time.

  • July 10, 2011, 9:20 a.m. CST

    the fact that wenger and willis have both left

    by emeraldboy

    cant be good. maybe the beeb wants to permanently wrap up dr who after its 50th anniversary. the history between bbc and dr who hasnt been good.

  • July 10, 2011, 9:22 a.m. CST

    Bernard Cribbins

    by thefirerises

    Knew there was something I really liked when I saw that series 4 premiere, it had just been washed away in my memories of mediocrity - Cribbins! That scene on the top of the hill was really good, gave me hope that the episode could just be a really slow start for the series.

  • July 10, 2011, 9:34 a.m. CST

    I loved Donna. Eventually.

    by V'Shael

    The Christmas Bride annoyed me no end, but by the time she cried at the end of Fires of Pompeii she had won me over completely.

  • July 10, 2011, 9:35 a.m. CST

    Apologies Sam!

    by veteran_of_mu

    Spam was certainly too strong a term. I have indeed seen it done before by others here; I confess thought it icky then too but if it's important to y'all, no worries, go to it. I very much appreciate your participation in these docbacks, and intended no offence at all.

  • That's what makes these forums so great- the diversity and the love we all have for our favourite docs, episodes and companions!! That you have that kind of passion for this makes you a true fan of the highest calibre, my friend!! keep on liking what you like mate!!

  • July 10, 2011, 9:36 a.m. CST

    @caractacuspotts - I'd still go. But -

    by V'Shael

    the dream thing doesn't work when you're lucid dreaming. Text can stay consistent, but there are other checks you can do while lucid dreaming. Anyway, I'd still go. It wouldn't matter a shit to me if he was the Doctor or not. Anyone who displayed dimensional engineering on that scale would interest me to the point where I'd have to know more, no matter what the risk to life and limb.

  • July 10, 2011, 9:40 a.m. CST

    Beth Willis leaving -

    by V'Shael

    In my experience (and maybe others here share this) if someone gets the unofficial boot from a job (or a company, or whatever) they don't have something else to go to. With politicians, it's something like "In order to spend more time with his family". In job situations, it's often sickly vague "we're sure what ever brave new horizons open up before her, she will navigate them with surety and aplomb!" (Complete with exclamation marks...) Unlike Wenger, who was moving to another job, it seems like Beth Willis is not moving to something specific. That certainly implies (in my experience) that she was pushed. But truthfully, we'd never know. I remember when Glenn Quinn was fired from Angel because of his drug problems. The staff at Team Whedon *never* let on that that was the case. They liked him too much.

  • July 10, 2011, 9:49 a.m. CST

    Horn- the first time I saw sex in Torchwood...

    by sam jacksons wig

    ....I thought "Oh...... okay. Well...... that was erm... interesting..." I am NOT a prude by any stretch of the imagination, but it just didn't add anything to the story. It wasn't even sexy. I think the first scene was that guy giving it to the girl in the nightclub bogs. What RTD was doing I had no idea- surely there had to be an easier way to collect lifeforce energy rather than having a naive girl act like a slut? Then came the gay sex. Okay, I am definately not a homophobe here- my very best friends are a married gay couple, and even they thought it was uncomfortable to watch in a show of that nature. I believe one of them said "RTD should have left that stuff in Queer as Folk." - but as a straight male I don't really want to see two guys getting it on. Shame, really!! The show could have been just as good without it, or it used sparingly.

  • July 10, 2011, 10:01 a.m. CST

    thefirerises - cribbins just gets better and better the more you watch....

    by sam jacksons wig

    ...then we get to the end of time 2 parter, and Cribbins gave me goosebumps watching him interract with the Doc. An entire episode with just the two of them sitting and talking I could have sat and become mesmerised with. He was THAT good!! Please, do yourself a favour and watch him in Who immediately! He is awesome!!! He manages to emote and out-act any of the cast and it all seems so effortless on his part.

  • July 10, 2011, 10:12 a.m. CST

    Horn/rebel- I haven't really been blown away by any of the nu-who companions..

    by sam jacksons wig

    ...my favourite would have to be Rory, if I had to choose. Especially in series 6, where he just got better and better while poor Karen Gillan really didn't quite "get it." Long legs and attractive features do not a great actress make, I'm afraid. Nor a great companion. I fear she is doomed for mediocraty, save her present storyline. It is for this she will be remembered- not anything else. I do have a soft spot for Martha.. the fact she was given short thrift by the Beeb and did what she could with the role, I had to admire her for that. Rose...grated on me. Piper was a revelation compared to what i thought she would be, but christ! I just wanted the romance to end!!

  • July 10, 2011, 10:20 a.m. CST

    caractacuspotts - there are no worries at all, mate.

    by sam jacksons wig

    Don't normally do it, have never done it before, but having a laugh with one of my on-line buddies was the only real intention. All I ask from anyone is that they ask the question before they jump to conclusions. It saves a hell of a lot of bother. V'Shael can tell you that much. Take care!!

  • July 10, 2011, 10:27 a.m. CST

    emeraldboy - willis and wenger....

    by sam jacksons wig

    ...wenger left because he fucking hated Who and had no interest in it at all, and Willis was a sacrificial lamb to appease the upper eschelons of the BBC after the fucking travesty regarding episodes and scheduling. What evidence do I have to back this up? Absolutely none at all. But it seems the most likely explanation. As for the future of Who? When the ratings drop so low, tthen it will be cancelled. Until then, I doubt it very much!! Ratings can only go up in 2013 for the 50th if marketed right!!

  • July 10, 2011, 10:29 a.m. CST

    V'shael- what was your opinion on Donnas mum, and for that matter, Marthas?

    by sam jacksons wig

    Why do you think they introduced such an unlikeable lot to the series? It couldn't have been for the ratings!!!

  • July 10, 2011, 10:40 a.m. CST

    lucid dreaming

    by Rebel Scumb

    The trick I find is to look at your hands a lot. Throughout your normal day, just ask yourself 'am I dreaming?' then to check if you are, look at your hands. Eventually it becomes a habit, so when you're dreaming you start doing the same thing, but if you look at your hands in a dream you are then able to take control of it.

  • July 10, 2011, 10:43 a.m. CST

    Sam

    by HornOrSilk

    I agree that the nu-Who companions are not as good as they could be, on one level, but I still think Rory and Donna are up there for the show, for different reasons. Again, with Donna, I can understand people not appreciating her, but I still think she was what was needed to 1) end all the romance 2) and show a different kind of companion who 3) could motivate the Doctor to be what he needed to be once again. For me, the best companions are: Ian, Barbara, Jamie, Sarah Jane, and Romana. Honorable mention for Liz Shaw and Turlough.

  • July 10, 2011, 10:44 a.m. CST

    I do wish Wilf was made into a companion for a season

    by HornOrSilk

    And the Valeyard takes over Donna's psyche ;)

  • July 10, 2011, 10:47 a.m. CST

    companions

    by Rebel Scumb

    I would of been fine with Rose never coming back after series 2, and I definitely don't need to see her again now. I consider the book closed on her. But I thought she was perfect as an introductory companion for the show to come back. Martha & Donna were both great characters I thought. Personally I find the classic era companions are charming in their own way, but mostly just eye candy. I don't find any of them have any depth or character development, which was fine for the old show, since no one really had character development and older tv was very on the surface without a lot of depth. Sarah Jane gets a lot of love, and that's perfectly understandable, as classic era companions go she is really great. A wonderful personality and presence. But I think what really makes her a flesh and blood character is 'school reunion'. The fact that she came back. That for me is why she is a character, and so memorable. I prefer the way new-who has handled the companions, even when they stumble a bit, just because I prefer those kinds of stories. Even though the families can be a bit annoying, I like the way that it shows the impact the doctor taking them away has. Where as the old show never deals iwth that.

  • July 10, 2011, 10:47 a.m. CST

    Horn- I don't think we'll get our Valeyard wish some how, my friend..!!

    by sam jacksons wig

  • July 10, 2011, 10:49 a.m. CST

    Wilf was really awesome

    by Rebel Scumb

    He was amazing in 'the end of time' and ultimately what makes me really like that story despite its numerous flaws. The coffee shop scene alone was really wonderful stuff, and it's obvious that Tennant adored working with him.

  • July 10, 2011, 10:58 a.m. CST

    Horn- companions....

    by sam jacksons wig

    THE TOP ONES? Sarah jane Smith. I loved that woman so much it was unbelievable. A serious loss to the world. Romana- the interplay (I mean Romana 2) she had with Tom Baker was superb. Wonder why?? Mel- I KID I KID I KID!!!!! I just can't get used to Tate as a companion, and they had some great episodes together. the fires of Pompeii- when the young lady soothsayer started calling Tennant..."You sir, are a lord..... a lord of time..." I got fucking goosebumps! then the other guy (I forget his name) called Tennant "Master of Gallifrey.." I thought all my Christmases had come at once!! But it unfortunately wasn't Tate that made those episodes for me. She had some terrific lines "Tell me Noddy isn't real..." which she carried off with such aplomb, but her character was so inherently unlikeable I just couldn't take the extra step and commit.

  • July 10, 2011, 12:26 p.m. CST

    Q about Virgin New Adventures :

    by V'Shael

    So, I was just re-reading The Also People last week, and before I got to the end, the cover came off the book. Now, it's been untouched on a shelf for years, but it did come out in 1995 and it seems like the gum holding the cover in place just ... dried out and powdered. And I go to Amazon, to see if there are ebook versions available, since they are out of print those old Virgin stories. Get this : A new copy of The Also People will cost you 42 pounds sterling. A used copy? £16.93. Are these prices legitimate? Because if so, I could sell all my New Adventure books for about 500 quid!

  • July 10, 2011, 1:24 p.m. CST

    sam re: fires of pompeii

    by Rebel Scumb

    Another crazy thing about that episode is that Karen Gillan is actually in it pre-amy pond as one of the suthsayer girls!

  • July 10, 2011, 2:44 p.m. CST

    V'Shael

    by I am not a number

    You should see what LUNGBARROW is going for. On Amazon.com, it is going for $88 to $196! On the Canadian version of Amazon, it goes for $186 to $234!! And on the UK Amazon it has a used price of £550.81!!! I'm wondering who would ever pay that much, and (more importantly) how I could meet this person since I own all of Virgin's NEW ADVENTURES (plus some of the Missing Adventures.)

  • July 10, 2011, 2:53 p.m. CST

    lungbarrow

    by Rebel Scumb

    I keep meaning to bring up lungbarrow in the docback. it's such a strange anomoly in the who canon in that it is so hard to come by, but arguably has some of the most important (possible) clues to the doctor's origins.

  • July 10, 2011, 3:07 p.m. CST

    But those can't be REAL prices, can they?

    by V'Shael

    Because if they are, my complete run is worth a pretty penny.

  • July 10, 2011, 3:18 p.m. CST

    I'd say so

    by I am not a number

    If that is the price that these sellers are offering, I'd say the prices are legit. The real question is, why are they listing them so high? Is the demand actually there to justify that cost? I have my doubts, but then again, I have no idea what sellers are really basing those prices on. The pricing doesn't seem to be based on quality or "importance" to WHO history, as some real crap ones are going for more than the brilliant ones. I could see why LUNGBARROW would be higher than most (as rebel scumb notes above), but who is paying THAT kinda cash for a tv-series-based book? BTW, has LUNGBARROW now been bounced out of continuity? I have not seen any reference to genetic looms in the new series, nor any of the other parts regarding The Other, etc. Granted, to still consider any of the books canon, we'd have to believe that The Doctor had the exact same adventure twice (FAMILY OF BLOOD episodes, and HUMAN NATURE book) and didn't realize it. ;)

  • July 10, 2011, 3:52 p.m. CST

    The books have never been canonical.

    by V'Shael

    But my attitude to them has always been... if it can be included without too much fanwankery, then what the hell, consider it to have happened, until something else comes along to retcon it. Considering the Time Lords are finito, I don't see how it will be relevant to have modern episodes talk about Rassilon, Pythia, sterlised Gallifrey or genetic looms. And yes, that's another reason why IMO we'll not be seeing Omega as any sort of big bad, despite what many fans would like to believe.

  • July 10, 2011, 4:39 p.m. CST

    Looms and stuff

    by I am not a number

    I had always thought the books were considered canon (at least at the time they came out) as they were the only licensed continuation of the show after it was axed in 1989. Of course, once the show came back, all bets were off. Either way, I share your attitude on this matter, especially as I see the show borrowing bits and pieces from the books. The only reason I mentioned the looms was that they were supposed to create Gallifreyans as already being physically adult, which contradicts the Doctor having his own crib in the TARDIS. I thought the seer woman at the table with Rassilon in THE END OF TIME was based on the Pythia backstory, or at least inspired by it. It has been a long time since I read those books though, so my memory is a bit hazy. And I agree, I don't see Omega coming back any time soon. They're not likely to suddenly reveal that the person behind everything is some guy from the original series that only dedicated fans would recognize. They'd need to reintroduce the character, kinda like they did with the Daleks and Cybermen - and I don't think they'd do that for Omega. Kinda like all the stuff people were saying about The Rani a few seasons back.

  • July 10, 2011, 4:41 p.m. CST

    Piers and Beth

    by Mister Vertue

    I think a few of you are being quite unfair regarding the departure of Piers and Beth, and you should know that they both played a major part in getting Matt onboard the show and it continuing to be successful. Piers was offered the job at Film4 as their Senior Commissioning Executive, which was too good to turn down, and Beth was given the chance to go back to Kudos and work with Jane Featherstone, who she gets along with very well, so it was a great deal for both of them and they'll both be missed by everyone on the Doctor Who production team. The Christmas Special is being written as I type this, so a new Executive Producer will be hired before that starts production in earnest and whoever that may be, they'll be just as committed as Beth and Piers were to the show. yet again, whatever you've been reading on the internet concerning their departures is utter nonsense. If you get offered a better job, you take it and anybody would do the same thing. There doesn't always have to be a great conspiracy behind the scenes to cause a person to leave their job. It's at times like this when I think I'd rather be talking about The Rani or The Valeyard. Anyway, back to work with a lovely bottle of French wine. It helps to dull the pain and frustration.

  • July 10, 2011, 5:26 p.m. CST

    re Piers & Beth

    by dj_bollocks

    You do realise how much that makes you sound like the Moff MoV ?

  • July 10, 2011, 5:30 p.m. CST

    Doctor who canon according to Moff...

    by Rebel Scumb

    who I guess is the one person at the moment who can say one way or the other, is that everything is canon, and there are no continuity errors in the 50 years, if something is contradictory he said it's just because we haven't seen the adventure that happened between episodes or books where the doctor altered history in such a way that it changed the 'truth' of the situation. So in other words, wibbly wobbly, timey wimey. for what that is worth.

  • July 10, 2011, 6:03 p.m. CST

    But I do agree it's weird how expensive lungbarrow is

    by Rebel Scumb

    especially since most doctor who fans don't even know about it. Infact if you wanted to look it up online you really need to know what you're looking for. It seems odd if there is such a demand for it to drive the cost that high, then why not just reprint a bunch and rebrand it 'Dr. Who: LungBarrow' or something. Its weird also because it sort of reveals that the Doctor is really 'the Other', but then that just leaves us wondering who 'the Other' really was. So doesn't really resolve anything. I am fairly impressed with how the various writers managed to keep all the Rasililon & Omega stuff mentioned over the years though. I might need to finish Remembrance of the daleks tonight, its either that or the last few episodes of Breaking Bad season 2, which admittedly I'm find a bit dissappointing. I mean its a good show, but I don't really understand all the enormous praise it gets, it certainly not anything I would buy, or ever need to see again. Where as I think mad men really stuck with me, and I've watched each season 2-3 times.

  • July 10, 2011, 7:24 p.m. CST

    dj_bollocks

    by Mister Vertue

    Firstly, let me say, nice name! Secondly, yes, I suppose it does make me sound a bit like 'The Moff', but I'm really not. Honest. And now I must retire to my bed. Night all!

  • July 10, 2011, 7:41 p.m. CST

    @dj_bollocks + Question Two

    by veteran_of_mu

    MOV swears he ain't Moff and that's good enough for the likes of us. Several of us have asked and generally we get the impression that he'd rather we didn't. Obviously he's someone close to the show so just accept that we're lucky to have him. Answering Question One myself ... I once worked for a bloke who was clearly a standard deviation smarter than myself. I would do so again without hesitation. Working with someone like that you never really know what the stakes are. But I found you can generally trust that they're worth playing for. So here's Question Two: if you were asked to write an episode of Who what would it be about? I don't mean a synopsis - just ... what would your idea be?

  • July 10, 2011, 11:15 p.m. CST

    caractacuspotts - answer to q 2....

    by sam jacksons wig

    ...the relationship the Doc had with his parents told in flashback form, and the ultimate decision he made to lock them in the time war, or their untimely deaths...I haven't quite decided which of those I would go for.

  • July 10, 2011, 11:19 p.m. CST

    AARRGGHHH! Guys please!!! For the last time....

    by sam jacksons wig

    ...MOV is NOT the Moff!! He has stated this more than once and for the record I believe him very much! Obviously he works for the BEEB in some capacity and from the sounds of it has something or other to do with Doctor Who. I just hope he carries messages back to those involved to tell them just how much the fans care about the product, and relates some of the tales he finds here! Now that would be very cool indeed..... messages are cool.....

  • July 10, 2011, 11:53 p.m. CST

    On Canon and Question 2

    by James Taylor

    I read an amusing blog post recently (I think it was by Philip Sandifer over on http://tardiseruditorum.blogspot.com ) that postulated that since Who officially has no canon (Nobody had a concept of Canon when it started, and both RTD and the Moff have stated that it either has none, or it's all canon - which amounts to the same thing) then *everything* could be considered Who canon. Except Noddy. So whoever it was above who said "Wouldn't it be funny if Lost was actually a Dr. Who spinoff?" Well, why not. OK, so Jacob wasn't the Doctor, and the Man in Black wasn't the Master, but who's to say (hah!) that it's not the Tardis in the middle of the island powering it all? They never state otherwise, and it works just fine for me ;) As to question 2 - let's do the story of how the TARDIS ended up under all that rock, and how it eventually makes it back to the Doctor (assuming he's not still inside). I'm kidding, of course. In seriousness I'd love to tell the tale of how 8 became 9. In my mind it's always occurred during the Time War, in fact a lot occurs between the TVM and Rose in my mind that most people would despair of: Maybe he got married and settled down finally, but the Time War destroyed his family and caused his regeneration. Or perhaps he had to sacrifice them and his 8th self in order to end it. Maybe it's because Chris Eccleston always seemed to be playing the part a grieving Father trying to put a brave face on it to me, as much as he seemed disturbed by the events and actions of the Time War itself. :/ Never happen of course, at least not unless I write the fanfic ;)

  • July 11, 2011, 12:33 a.m. CST

    If a madman with a blue box showed up in my room

    by sunspot_mike

    I'd go in a second. And The Awakening was a great Davison story. The Daleks is cool but The Dalek Invasion of Earth and The Chase is where they really shined for me with the first Doc. Oh, and why worry about Beth and Piers leaving? I think they did a great job on this last season and a half, but if we get great Doctor Who stories, does it matter who the producers are? We used to love Doctor Who even when it was produced on a literal shoestring. The imagination of the writers is what always made it the best show ever. The story is the only thing that matters and as long as we still have someone in charge that puts good and fun stories at number one, I'm not worried. We even have new Whoniverse stories (Miracle Day) getting real top-shelf US promotion right now and BBC America is kicking ass with the flagship. I think the Doctor is in the safest hands it's ever been, they're not gonna screw it up. It's firing on all cylinders right now on both sides of the Atlantic!

  • July 11, 2011, 4:43 a.m. CST

    What if a bearded man showed up in an ionic column?

    by Hideo Kojima

    Would you go with him ???? I would.

  • July 11, 2011, 4:45 a.m. CST

    Beth and Piers

    by ComicGuru

    They may be leaving Doctor Who but they've already filmed and produced the entire 2nd season. I'm not sure what has been happening in the background with Doctor Who but I'm confident that Moffatt won't allow it to interfere with the quality of the show. He's too much of a professional. I do think as we move into the 50th Anniversary there needs to be more Doctor Who not less.

  • July 11, 2011, 5:03 a.m. CST

    MOV is not "The Moff" but really he is...

    by Hideo Kojima

    he's not actually "The Moff" but he could be and it's his word against ours and now if he was in fact "The Moff" he would deny being "The Moff" which is what he has done so that makes him "The Moff" because that is what "The Moff" would do. So is MOV "the Moff?" Maybe. Maybe not. Probably? Yeah, probably. No proof either way. He may or may not be "The Moff" but he is OUR "The Moff." Why be so defensive about not being "The Moff" unless he is actually "The Moff" or the butler of "The Moff." BTW The butler and/or any other associates of "The Moff" are also called "The Moff" as they are of the Moff Collective.

  • July 11, 2011, 5:48 a.m. CST

    If Man_of_Vertue was Steven Moffat, he probably would have said

    by V'Shael

    when all the shit was hitting the fan, and he was asking people here to believe that everything was fine, but we hadn't seen any official statement from Mr. Moffat, such as on his Twitter account or anything.

  • July 11, 2011, 7:12 a.m. CST

    in the 1970s...

    by emeraldboy

    and for two decades before that the bbc was about light entertainment. and variety. Verity Lambert the iron willed tv exec who put the fear of god into everyone one who worked with her fought a very long and hard battle to stop the bbc from axing dr who. bbc didnt want dr who on the air from day one. it was a show that they the beeb didnt really understand. lambert and the bbc battled over every single aspect of the pilot from trying to convince the bbc to the fund the show to getting the show on air and more keeping it on air and to controlling everything in the control room working, the board of the beeb were so hostile to dr who, that verity lambert claimed years later that the power was shut down several times during production. the unions at the bbc had their orders. I wouldnt be suprised if despite being hugely commercially successful there is still a lot of hatred towards the mad man in the box.

  • July 11, 2011, 8:26 a.m. CST

    emeraldboy- it's like everything in this life....

    by sam jacksons wig

    ...you don't have to understand it or love it, but if it works and makes you money or gets you ratings, then it will continue to be greenlit until it is no longer a viable prospect. Ofcourse love comes into it via funding and exposure, and as far as who goes, at the moment we can't complain for lack of either. The last few episodes are some of the most beautifully produced there has ever been, budgets have obviously gone up and Who is all over the place in terms of merchandising and exposure (mags, TV interviews et.c) The biggest issue we will face IMHO will be in 2013 after the 50th anniversary.If Who would ever be in a position to be cancelled, have funding cut or slowly phased out it would more than likely be then. I am going to be optimistic for a change and believe that Who has many more years left in it. Sure, they may take a break again at some stage, but it will always resurface in some form or another. How many other shows can say they are still going strong after 50 years? Not many.

  • July 11, 2011, 8:44 a.m. CST

    sir Micheal Grade was part of that variety

    by emeraldboy

    era and he absolutely hated dr who. and he was and is a very commercial broadcaster, he was the nephew of lord Lew Grade. some people dont like what they understand. i guess.

  • July 11, 2011, 8:47 a.m. CST

    sam

    by emeraldboy

    i was just saying or pointing out that this has been part of the shows history at the bbc.

  • July 11, 2011, 9:36 a.m. CST

    emeraldboy- I know, mate. Nothing wrong at all with what you said.

    by sam jacksons wig

    just added a few comments and a bit of SJW spin on it. As always... ;)) Take care. How are things at the moment in the Emerald Isle??

  • July 11, 2011, 9:47 a.m. CST

    I heard a rumour yesterday...

    by sam jacksons wig

    ...that episodes 9-12 are going to be primarily stand alone episodes, with 12 leading into the last episode of the series. Would love to have this confirmed as factual info. Also the title of episode 10 will be the Green Anchor. I doubted "let's Kill Hitler" so I will hold off any damnation of this.

  • July 11, 2011, 10:11 a.m. CST

    Question Three: Whose Who?

    by veteran_of_mu

    My answer to Two: I'd write a story that dramatises Polchinski's Paradox. I think it could easily work without violating Blinovitch. Which brings us to Question Three: apart from "ginger" what kind of a person could succeed Matt Smith's doctor without being a massive let-down? I mean I can imagine, if Tom Baker had not already played the Doc, that a Baker Doc could credibly top the Smith Doc. But Baker has already existed. So ... who can you possibly imagine filling topping Smith? Don't say it could never be done. I can well imagine Robert Downey Jr doing a tour de force Doc. Not that I imagine he ever would, but just to emphasise that it's possible. To pick someone I don't think could do it - though again he never would - there could be no such critter as a Michael Fassbender Doc.

  • July 11, 2011, 10:53 a.m. CST

    hi sam....

    by emeraldboy

    just before the last election fg who are the dominant party in govt promised a whole bunch of stuff they would do once they got into power and soundly kicked the incompetent ff around the place. as you know sam ireland is in hoc to the EU/ecb/imf. that disgusting deal was written up by the utterly hopeless brian cowen led administration. being in opposition is one thing and being in govt is quite another. Dr james reilly fg minister for health and fg cohorts promised in the campaign that they would not shut down small hospitals. no sooner are they in govt then they did a major u turn. much to the fury of the people of say roscommon. who were promised that their hospital would not be touched. and its 24hr emergency department was closed today to be replaced by an urgent care unit run by gp's. yes gp's. populist groups like people before profit have been taken to the streets and protests have begun. But not only have in been a small hospital in dublin ireland and one which is on the list to have its 24 emergency stopped I have worked in that very hospital and my late father was treated in this very hospital. this particular one is and was administrative shambles and would say they all are really. my dad worked in hospitals for 35 years as a consultant and he was very good at his job but was working there in the 1980s when haughey slashed the department of healths budget. my father saw how the whole thing operated if you were a dr on a health board and you knew the local poltician where my dad worked that was the father of the actor who dougal maguire on father ted. all the consultants would go to these health board meetings and would lobby and the minister or some underling would nod his head. but because the guy on the board knew the minister in question, the units or wards would only go to one hospital. So in the end despite all the talk of new time in ireland and all the talk of reforms this current shower lied there way into power. but I dont agree with the protesters. who have possibly never sat in a reception of a small hospital and waited for three hours only for the receptionist and not the ward to say you can see your father now, mister blank. I was flabbergasted when this receptionist asked me had my father been in the hospital before and he been three or four times!

  • July 11, 2011, 11:51 a.m. CST

    Doctor Who Music Video

    by Kevin Kittridge

    I am making one. Here are some pics to whet your appetite. http://kittridge.wordpress.com/2011/07/11/a-shot-in-the-tardis/ I'm not using the Dalek. In retrospect, I really should have. I was tired of shooting that day.

  • July 11, 2011, 11:52 a.m. CST

    Forgot to mention...

    by Kevin Kittridge

    we're using the actual console shown in the 1996 tv movie.

  • July 11, 2011, 12:17 p.m. CST

    emeraldboy - sounds shit...

    by sam jacksons wig

    Over here in good ol' blighty, we are always facing the politicians scissors, and although we have yet to shut down 24 hr emergency departments where I live, more and more people are now being advised to stay away from hospitals and phone an analysis line for an over the phone diagnosis of their potential condition. I am a GP, and i work for a practice that has 12 Doctors, 5 of which are part time (myself included, although i do other work, not limited to manning such diagnostic GP lines and making house calls in the dead of night) I shall refrain, through professional ethics, of discussing my own feelings towards such Dial-A-Condition lines, but the truth of the matter is that hospitals do not want to see a % hike in admissions as they now have reached the point where the physically cannot cope. people are disuaded now of even calling an ambulance before they have been advised to do so. There are further talks of limiting the hours that a GP can practice, and also discussions over the number of patients they see in a day or the time it takes to diagnose and prescribe. Eventually, the government want most things done via the telephone or the internet. That's all I shall say on that particular topic. My wife however, is a consultant in the Oncology Department of our Citys hospital. She specialises in Cystectomy (Bladder cancer) and Bowel Cancer (part of the gastro-intestinal branch of Consultant Oncology). With the advancements in treatment and the lower mortality rate (her passion is early diagnosis, and getting the message out regarding potential early warning signs, which oddly enough bring patients to people like myself...vicious circle, yes?), she, too, is finding it difficult sometimes to procure funding from the Hospital Administration for developments in new equipment. It's all baloney when all we want to do is treat sick people and make them well!!! Bah!!!

  • ...book signing or Fozzy tour?

  • July 11, 2011, 12:32 p.m. CST

    Sam Jackson's Wig

    by Kevin Kittridge

    Ha - thanks! I actually asked him the same thing I asked Peter Davison: I'm going to look stupidly excited and could you look miserable? They both were great!

  • July 11, 2011, 12:34 p.m. CST

    re Jericho

    by Kevin Kittridge

    Oh, and book signing. The Davison shot was at the Gallifrey convention here in LA and I turned it into an old Target novelisation: http://kittridge.wordpress.com/2011/03/29/doctor-who-and-the-two-faced-coin/

  • July 11, 2011, 12:57 p.m. CST

    and on top that... sam

    by emeraldboy

    they cocked up a life saving operation for a girl who needed emergency liver surgery. she was due to fly to london to have this done. and the hse for reasons which are utterly mysterious refused the use of the government which was landing the president of ireland and her husband on irish soil. this girl would have been in london in time for her op. but the hse refused. the dad is going to have fund this thing himself. my dad went through about four urlogists sam and not one them spotted that he had prostate cancer early and he worked at the very highest level of hospital medicine.

  • July 11, 2011, 1:04 p.m. CST

    ralph hinkley

    by MoffatBabies

    WOW! That looks like a blast. Cannot wait to see the finished project.

  • July 11, 2011, 1:07 p.m. CST

    moffatbabies

    by Kevin Kittridge

    Thanks!

  • July 11, 2011, 1:40 p.m. CST

    emeraldboy- that is some dreadful news.

    by sam jacksons wig

    It's specifically what my wife is working on now- better practices and advancement in technology that will detect cancers at a far more rapid pace than is now current. And although there are disasterous cases that always seem to, for want of a better terminology, get overlooked (ouch! that sounded horrific!) the strides being made in this particular field are staggering compared to what they were even 18 months ago. I don't claim to be an expert on Consultant Oncology (I leave that to my infinitely smarter spouse), but recognise the pressure everyone is under to diagnose, treat, (ultimately) cure and lower the mortaility rates, and increase retention in remission cases. Using treatments such as monoclonal antibody therapy, chemotherapy, surgery and experimental methods such as HAMLET (human alpha-lactalbumin made lethal to tumor cells), which utilises breast milk and is used on bladder cancer are all assisting in the fight. Will there ever be a single cure for cancer? My wife thinks absolutely not, but through research it is not unfeasible that treatments can be found for most types. It's just getting the bloody diagnosis right in the first place, and the biggest hurdle of all is cost. Not necessarily neglect. Phew!!!! Enough big words and theology from SJW for a while methinks!!!

  • July 11, 2011, 2:09 p.m. CST

    hideo kojima

    by MoffatBabies

    Your "The Moff" post will go down in DocBack history. Hilarious.

  • July 11, 2011, 2:11 p.m. CST

    emeraldboy

    by MoffatBabies

    Very informative posts. All my best to you, those who know you and all you know.

  • July 11, 2011, 2:16 p.m. CST

    Looks like I have some catch-up post reading to do.

    by MoffatBabies

    I hope everyone is well. Missed you DocBackers.

  • July 11, 2011, 2:17 p.m. CST

    And I did not get the chance to see the old Who

    by MoffatBabies

    I'd hoped to get to in the last few days.

  • July 11, 2011, 2:17 p.m. CST

    And I did not get the chance to see the old Who

    by MoffatBabies

    I'd hoped to get to in the last few days.

  • July 11, 2011, 2:18 p.m. CST

    OOps, sorry for the double-post.

    by MoffatBabies

    Must have been some weird timey-wimey stuff going on.

  • July 11, 2011, 2:20 p.m. CST

    McCoy was/is hilarious

    by MoffatBabies

    the man gives good interview. I did get caught in a YouTube Loop yesterday. You know the kind. You look for one thing and the next time you look at a clock, you discover 3 hrs have passed. Yikes.

  • July 11, 2011, 2:23 p.m. CST

    Sorry if a few of my posts seem like filler.

    by MoffatBabies

    They kind of are, in a way. But not really. I'll do my best to keep it on topic. I like fillers. Fillers are cool.

  • July 11, 2011, 2:24 p.m. CST

    Anyone else around now?

    by MoffatBabies

    I'm about to head outside and get some sunshine. With my netbook of course. lol I like Netbooks.Netbooks are cool.

  • July 11, 2011, 2:24 p.m. CST

    oops

    by MoffatBabies

    oops

  • July 11, 2011, 2:34 p.m. CST

    Oops???

    by sam jacksons wig

  • July 11, 2011, 4:53 p.m. CST

    re: thetransformedman

    by timesfool

    They did that day. ;-)

  • July 11, 2011, 6:22 p.m. CST

    Remembrance of the Daleks

    by Rebel Scumb

    I have to say I thoroughly enjoyed this. It might be the most like New-who I've ever seen a classic story be to. Great pacing, memorable side characters. daleks! Davros! And a actually some pretty stellar production values at times. That shuttle landing in the school courtyard actually looked pretty great, like they just built a full size shuttle and lowered it into a real courtyard! It's a shame that this wasn't the series finale for classic who instead of 'Survival', which I haven't seen, and granted may be good, but I've heard it feels like just another episode, with no real sense of it being the ending of a 26 year legacy. Remembrance would of been a fitting finale, going back to the unearthly child setting was great. Also a few 4th wall breaking moments. A tv set to the bbc says "up next a new science fiction series called doctor..." also the doctor looks into the camera at one point and addresses the audience which is weird. There's some really good bits of business with the action also. And the blonde physicist chick was pretty.

  • July 11, 2011, 6:43 p.m. CST

    rebel scumb

    by MoffatBabies

    I must see that next then, because all episodes I've seen from that series have looked like they were shot with a Betamax cam after paying off a shopkeep to shoot in his store for an hour, and in someone's back yard. Not bad writing... and much of the acting has been fine.. they've just looked horrible. And I keep getting told to watch that one. Thanks!

  • July 11, 2011, 6:44 p.m. CST

    oh and yeah....

    by MoffatBabies

    oops

  • July 11, 2011, 6:46 p.m. CST

    Cancer & LDN/ALA

    by veteran_of_mu

    Continuing emerald & Sam's tangent, since LDN popped up in discussion with v'shael on nootropics I thought it might be worth propagating a meme. The short of it is that a combination of LDN and intravenous ALA has yielded complete remission in late-stage terminal cancer patients with large scale metastases who have been told they have weeks to live. At the same time these drugs appear completely benign with no significant side effects. There are now many instances of complete recovery with otherwise terminal patients living for many years free of tumours and symptoms. These results are coming from real doctors, not witch doctors, but because neither drug is being pushed by a pharmaceutical company - neither is under patent - many conventional oncologists have heard nothing about this. While I am NOT a doctor so I am incompetent to evaluate the validity of the following, if I were stricken with cancer I'm convinced I'd go down this path. Anyway here's links. Make up your mind for yourself: Amazing videos from conference on LDN/ALA: http://glasgowldn2009.com/2009/04/ldn-conference-video3/ and http://glasgowldn2009.com/2009/04/ldn-conference-presentation-video4/ High level overview from the best LDN site: http://www.lowdosenaltrexone.org/ldn_and_cancer.htm Complete book on LDN: http://www.scribd.com/doc/42236118/The-Promise-Of-Low-Dose-Naltrexone-Therapy-ISBN-0786437154 Latest NCBI paper on the ALA/LDN protocol: http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/20042414 Audio interview with Dr Berkson: http://www.prescription2000.com/Staying-Healthy-Today-Radio-Interviews/2010-01-22-burt-berkson-lipoic-acid-naltrexone.html http://ldn4cancer.com/ldn_4_cancer_links.html has a whole lot more useful stuff

  • July 11, 2011, 7:46 p.m. CST

    moffatbabies...

    by Rebel Scumb

    Just to give you fair warning, it IS shot on a very 80s looking betamax. But somehow in this one it just works well.

  • July 11, 2011, 7:47 p.m. CST

    caractacuspotts and SJW

    by The Transformed Man

    I was rooting for Robert Carlyle last time. I would love to see him in the role. But I'd also love to see Benedict Cumberbatch. If he doesn't end up playing the Master eventually.

  • July 11, 2011, 8:05 p.m. CST

    My gut feeling is benedict is going to be the 12th doctor

    by Rebel Scumb

    Unless he gets too famous in the mean time. I think because they had tennant & smith in a row, its next to impossible now that they will ever go for a middle aged or older doctor again, a young hip doctor, and then a much younger doctor afterwards, plus the main audience for Dr. Who now seems to be teenage girls. Not that dudes don't like Who as well obviously, and also lots of different age groups. But before I got into doctor who, I was constantly being told about it by girls around age 18-20 who were obsessed with it and torchwood.

  • July 11, 2011, 8:27 p.m. CST

    Just caught THE LODGER episode last night.

    by DoctorWho?

    Tonight...THE PANDORICA OPENS which I'm damn curious about.

  • July 11, 2011, 8:31 p.m. CST

    shifting demographics

    by The Transformed Man

    In the US it seems Doctor Who has become a huge thing amongst college girls. I work in a shop and end up with a bunch of college aged employees, and for a couple of years now I've witnessed an astounding amount of them becoming obsessed with the show if they weren't already when I met them. I'm wondering if the illegal downloading aspect has something to do with it. Illegally downloading a weird show from a different country that you (until the most recent season before the holiday threw everything out of whack) weren't allowed to see yet might be the modern equivalent of me in fifth grade fiddling with an old school TV antenna trying to get better grainy reception of a weird show that felt l wasn't the intended recipient. The feeling like they're doing something bad and illegal probably adds to the mystique of the show.

  • July 11, 2011, 9:51 p.m. CST

    Nah, it's cuz it's cool amongst the hipsters

    by Renee Knowles

    It used to be comic books. Now it's Doctor Who. Which is a shame because now I feel if I mention I like Doctor Who, people will assume I'm a hipster :P

  • July 11, 2011, 10:57 p.m. CST

    Doctor Who was always cool with girls

    by sunspot_mike

    When I was grade school, there was only one other guy I knew who liked Doctor Who, the rest were girls. Now, besides my guy friends that I have gotten into it, most of the people I talk about Doctor Who with are of the female persuasion. Maybe it's because they thought David Tennant was a looker (but my girlfriend was so-so on him when we went to the UK in 2008 to see Hamlet in Stratford, I was definitely more in awe than she was, ha!) but I think it's because there's always an important female character who's accompanied by a man who's not just trying to fuck her. Same reason that girls liked The X-Files (that and they had a crush on David Duchovny), it's a show where the male isn't always trying to bang the female. She's safe and they can work together as a team.

  • July 12, 2011, 5:58 a.m. CST

    I'm certainly not complaining

    by Rebel Scumb

    Having something geeky in common with hot younger women is always a plus, especially for 32 year old divorcies like myself!

  • July 12, 2011, 9:47 a.m. CST

    It's a good job I bought the part 1 "boxset" for the fucking episodes.....

    by sam jacksons wig

    ..or I would have been extremely pissed off at the lack of fucking content! No doubt we'll have to wait for the double dip at the end of the year when both aprts are released together to get any kind of exras. No confidential. No mini-episodes they showed for FREE on the internet. Just a couple of stupid monster featurettes and that's your whack. Told you AGES ago we would be ripped off.

  • July 12, 2011, 10:34 a.m. CST

    We have Mr Tennant to thank for the new young laydee fanbase....

    by sam jacksons wig

    .....almost everywhere they swooned in unison at his big hair and rougish good looks... and he probably got one hell of alot of "action" because of it... ..well, we kinda know he did.

  • July 12, 2011, 10:39 a.m. CST

    have just rewatched TIA and DOTM......

    by sam jacksons wig

    ...and have taken away some more things, just a few bits of quiet brilliance. Richard Nixon in DOTM when he steps out of the black prison and gives Canton, who preceeded him out, a weary sideways glance that basically said "Yeah, thanks for this..mate!!" Rory talking to River, and his face slowly disolving into dispair as he recalls Amy running off with the Doc, and his inferiority complex.... I'm just not good enough for her...... just little things you miss the first 20 times you watch them ;))

  • July 12, 2011, 12:24 p.m. CST

    The box set extras.

    by V'Shael

    I got ripped on that last year, when I bought the first two Blu-Rays. I gave them away as a present, and then bought the box set. I thought it was a complete rip off.

  • July 12, 2011, 4:12 p.m. CST

    sam...

    by Rebel Scumb

    why on earth did you buy the part one box? They announced upfront that they would also do a complete series set in December, it's not a double dip if they give you fair warning!

  • July 12, 2011, 4:17 p.m. CST

    The horror of fang rock

    by Rebel Scumb

    I watched parts 1 & 2 last night. Amazing atmosphere, this is one of my favorites so far, amazing even more so, since virtually nothing is happening! I'll wait until the sun goes down to watch parts 3 & 4 tonight!

  • July 12, 2011, 6:20 p.m. CST

    Question Four: Who Upstages Who?

    by veteran_of_mu

    My answer to Three: James McAvoy. I think he'd make us completely forget Smith, Tennant and Ecclestone. The litmus is you put two of them in a room with a thorny problem and Sarah Jane Smith and figure out who'd upstage who. And that's Question Four - can you assemble all 11 doctors (and McAvoy) in order of who would upstage who? Not being able to resist this question I'll give my answer right now: I get Tom Baker > McAvoy > Tennant > Smith > Troughton > Pertwee > McGann > Ecclestone > Hartnell > Davison > McCoy > Colin Baker. Oh, and just for kicks I have K9 > Colin Baker ...

  • July 12, 2011, 8:39 p.m. CST

    Thanks for the warning, Sam.

    by The Transformed Man

    I'll keep my expectations low for the half season set and give it away when the real set comes out.

  • ...but had absolutely no clue that it would be devoid of everything but the episodes and 2 daft featurettes. It s just 2 separate plastic DVD covers placed into a cardboard box. The covers don't even slip out the side; you have to open the top and pull them out- awful!!! But £15 to watch them on something bigger than a 22" computer screen was worth the money in that sense.

  • July 13, 2011, 1:58 p.m. CST

    caractacuspotts.... here we go!!!

    by sam jacksons wig

    Tom Baker> Tennant > troughton > Smith > McAvoy > Pertwee > Eccleson > McCoy> Hartnell > McGann > Colin Baker > Davi(d)son (just for you, Horn!!!)

  • July 13, 2011, 4:39 p.m. CST

    I suppose Sam...

    by Rebel Scumb

    I'm willing to wait. Granted, when I torrent them I can put them on a USB stick and plug it into my PS3 and watch them on my 47" tv, so I guess I'm spoiled. But on the flip side, if you have a PS3 you can to!

  • July 13, 2011, 8:43 p.m. CST

    The 11th hour (revisited)

    by Rebel Scumb

    I was in the mood for some Who tonight, but alas have watched all my classics. SO after all the positive word of mouth about the 11th hour on here, I decided to give it another watch. It was definitely better than I remember, I guess perhaps it is a great episode. Maybe not mind bending in a blink sort of way, but it is a great beginning, so I revoke my earlier cyncism. Also after watching old era who with its beta tape/16mm reversal crap picture quality, seeing a cinematic Moffat era who production on blu-ray felt downright epic! And boy oh boy do I want to give Amy Pond a spanking!

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  • March 21, 2012, 12:57 p.m. CST

    Look behind you Perigee!

    by V'Shael

    It's ME!