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"The Reichenbach Fall" And "Invasion of The Dinosaurs" On The Friday Lockback/Docback!! SHERLOCK (Story #6), DOCTOR WHO (Story #71), And More!!


Merrick here...


...with a look at "Invasion of the Dinosaurs," featuring third Doctor Jon Pertwee, which aired January - February 1974.  It was released on DVD this week - you can find the two disc set HERE in the U.K. and HERE in the U.S..

We'll also be looking at "The Reichenbach Fall" - the third and final installment of this wave of Moffat/Gatiss SHERLOCK episodes.  There has been no formal announcement that more installments will be forthcoming, although...considering ratings and the attention the show is's a safe bet further M/G Sherlock/Watson adventures will eventually be heading our way.  Although, in this business, I've taught myself never to assume anything.  So, until an official announcement...


SHERLOCK (Story #6): "The Reichenbach Fall" 

This Sunday brings us "The Reichenbach Fall" - the last episode of SHERLOCK until, well, we get more episodes of SHERLOCK.  Which'll presumably come about at some point, despite no official word on the matter at this time.  

That clip is genius.  

This week's installment is directed by DOCTOR WHO veteran Toby Haynes ("The Pandorica Opens," "The Big Bang," "A Christmas Carol," "The Impossible Astronaut," and "Day of the Moon") and scripted by Steve Thompson.  

Thompson adapted "The Blind Banker" in last year's SHERLOCK Series 1 - easily the least fully realized story of that batch.  My contention, however, is that the episode's struggles lay chiefly in uncentered direction by Euros Lyn  - who never seemed to nail the tone of the piece, and didn't come across as feeling particularly comfortable with the nature of the HOLMES reinvention he was dealing with.  Hopefully the pairing of Thompson and Haynes will net bolder results?  Of course, as I type this, I note that Thompson also scripted DOCTOR WHO's "Curse of the Black Spot" - which I regard as the slightest of all Series Six DOCTOR WHO adventures. I don't know what to tell you.  

With all of this in mind, know that BBC's slightly spoilery "Reichenbach" synopsis reads thusly: 

James Moriarty possesses the greatest criminal mind that the world has ever seen. Sherlock and John knew he wouldn't stay hidden for long. But even they never guessed the sheer scale and audacity of the crime that would propel Moriarty back into the headlines. The crime of the century. The Tower of London, the Bank of England and Pentonville prison - all sprung open on the same day, as if by magic! But Moriarty's plans don't stop there...

Sherlock and John lock horns with their old enemy in one final problem that tests loyalty and courage to their very limits. Sherlock must fight for his reputation, his sanity and his life. But is he all he claims to be?

"The Reichenbach Fall"  transmits at 9pm Sunday on BBC One.  




"Invasion of the Dinosaurs" (Story # 71)




"My apparatus has been messed about with"

- the Doctor, “Invasion of the Dinosaurs”  Pt 4



Hehehe. His “apparatus!”





The Doctor (Jon Pertwee) and companion Sarah Jane (Elisabeth Sladen) arrive in contemporary but deserted London - which is plagued by looters, policed by UNIT, and infested by dinosaurs.  Our heroes’ efforts to stem this pre-historic incursion quickly insnares them in a conspiracy encompassing the highest levels of government, military, and science. 



The Doctor (Jon Pertwee) and companion Sarah Jane (Elisabeth Sladen) arrive in contemporary but deserted London - which is plagued by looters, policed by UNIT, and infested by dinosaurs.  Our heroes’ efforts to stem this pre-historic incursion quickly insnares them in a conspiracy encompassing the highest levels of government, military, and science. 



In general, I'd think shooting a dino might work out better if one actually pointed their weapon TOWARDS the beasty.  But, what do I know?  I've never killed a dinosaur...



“Invasion of the Dinosaurs” - originally entitled “Timescoop” - must be evaluated...patiently.   Malcolm Hulke’s script, while perhaps relying on too many relatively similar human-vs-dinosaur cliffhangers, is tightly told and roundly conceived on the whole.  Hulke has rendered a fully realized conspiracy thriller here which could well have stood on its own as a shlocky B-movie action adventure film in the ‘50s or ‘60s -  with only a little tweaking and character adjustment required.  


Performances are generally solid across the board, with special notice for Noel Johnson’s genial-but-slippery Sir Charles Grover, John Leven’s Benton (in a nice sequence, the UNIT operative allows the Doctor to overpower him), and the mighty John Bennett (who would later appear as Li H’sen Chang in “The Talons of Weng-Chiang”) -  he’s a General asshole named Finch here, and quickly constructs a ‘love to hate’ character.  





Paddy Russell’s direction is workmanlike - a term I generally detest using, but can find no substitute for at the moment.  Her efforts are never particularly noteworthy, nor does she do anything to sabotage the proceedings to any extent.  Her helming is competent and capable, but rarely filled with notable energy or flare.  She gets the job done...and on a show like this, that counts for a lot.   Especially given the dinosaurs she was wrangling - more on this shortly.   


Sarah Jane is very much “the reporter” in this story - and goes about solving the dino incursion mystery with the aggressive curiosity befitting the best newsperson and heroine.  One particularly amusing sequence finds the Doctor and Sarah Jane -  unflustered after being taken into military custody - enjoying having their mugshots taken perhaps a little too much.  She tries to leave her adventures with the Doctor behind at the end of “Invasion,” but he re-entices her with poetic descriptions of the otherworldly majesty of their next destination.  A lovely moment evoking similar instances in modern WHO.


Other highlights include the hamhandedly telegraphed fall from grace of Mike Yates (Richard Franklin), a recurring DW character at the time, along with some nice filmed material of helicopters and vehicles searching for an on-the-run Doctor...





With so many nice elements to its credit, why does an evaluation of “Invasion of the Dinosaurs” require ‘patience’?  Those dinos.  Those damn, silly, pitiable dinos.  




If ever there was a DOCTOR WHO begging for one of the super-nifty “Special Editions” BBC has afforded a select number of vintage DW stories (“Day of the Daleks!”)...


I’m guessing  the effects deficits here are so extreme, and the time and complexity required to render them appropriately for modern audiences would be so costly, that an SE of “Invasion” is never gonna happen.  But, to quote Pertwee’s Doctor, “Good Grief!”  


There are a few instances...precious few...when a fleeting glimpse or a particular angle of a dinosaur hints at what might’ve been.  But, on the whole, those moments are little more than cruel taunts.  Before any Docbacker jumps on me for being too harsh or negative about these crappy, shameful, embarrassing, laughable, inexcusably rotten dino effects - which were predominantly executed by puppetry if I understand correctly - please consider these ABRIDGED assessments from two of the episode’s producers (quotes from interviews presented on the DVD’s extras):  


"In story terms, the dinosaurs had to do certain things, you know, the monster scenes, generically.  They had to appear, they had to menace people. They had to advance on UNIT soldiers, they had to retreat when you threw grenades at them you know.  And they didn't do any of these things very well, or very convincingly, because they were kind of basically puppets."  - Terrance Dicks, Producer 


"'s been a running sore in my memories of DOCTOR WHO ever since." - Barrry Letts, Producer 


Fortunately, although certainly not intentionally, the dino effects are so staggeringly incompetent that they are actually rather amusing.  Meaning sequences which might’ve been difficult to watch actually bring a smile to one’s face.  Scant reassurance and piss poor validation, I know...but that’s where it is, and a smile is better than some alternatives.  


Fortunately, the overall substance “Invasion” overcomes this dinocap.  Hulke’s script is juiced by moments of fundamentally smart invention and surprising depth, symbolism, and resonance which nicely elevate this story beyond the prehistoric idiocy of the puppets mentioned above.  One plot movement introduces us to a space ship airlock which, if walked through, reveals the “truth” about characters’ understandings of their circumstance - but many folks simply refuse to walk through that hatchway.  An excellent allegory for denial, intellectual resistance, and the shrugging-off of fundamental actualities.  The government/scientific/ military collusion in Operation Golden Age somehow feels right in a larger-than-life James Bond / Tom Clancy sort of way, despite the admittedly fantastic nature of their ambitions.  The story’s closing moments find the Doctor lamenting the way of our world with concerns that are as germane today as they were back when the show aired in 1974:   “It’s not the oil and the filth and the poisonous chemicals that are thew real cause of pollution, Brigadier.  It’s simply greed.”  



With multiple dino cliffhangers, three instances of Venusian Aikido, high-tech equipment fueled by Cold War technology, and a dino invasion which looks like geriatrics growling about in Halloween costumes they picked up at a thrift store down the street, there’s a lot to enjoy here...both deliberately and unintentionally.  Just don’t pay any attention to those dinos - they’ll get you every time.   


“Take the world that you’ve got and try and make something of it...” admonishes the Doctor as “Invasion” draws to a close.  Not a bad sentiment with which to start a New Year.  Not bad at all...

Extras include...
Hosted by Matthew Sweet ("Broadcaster and Historian")
-- Terrance Dicks (Script Editor)
-- Barry Letts (Producer)
 -- Evolution of this story out of a proposal called "Timescoop"
-- Discusses how this concept was affected by "green politics" of the era. (THERE IS A STRONG ENVIRONMENTALIST MESSAGE RUNNING THROUGHOUT THE STORY).  
-- Peter Miles (Professor Whitaker)
-- Terence Wilton (Mark)
-- Director Paddy Russell talks about visiting central London at 4am with only a cameraman (Tony Leggo) and a sound guy (Fred Bagwell) to bag footage of a deserted London. 
-- Debut of the Doctor's Jetsons-like futuristic car, a vehicle specially commissioned by Pertwee for his personal amusement but used occasionally in the show.   
-- Jon Pertwee (1993 interview), who talks about being shaken down frequently by Policemen attempting to claim the car wasn't road worthy (it was). 
-- Richard Morris (Designer)
-- A through thrashing of the story's breathtakingly inadequate dinosaur effects by Producers Terrance Dicks (Producer) and Barry Letts.  
-- explains why the story's first episode is called "Invasion" while subsequent episodes use the full "Invasion of the Dinosaurs" (essentially to preserve audience surprise), and references scripter Hulke's intense displeasure with stripping dinos from the first episode's title.  
Cut or truncated sequences from the story. 
NOW AND THEN (13:43)
A tour of locations appearing in the episode contrasting their 1973 and contemporary appearances. 
DOCTOR WHO STORIES: ELISABETH SLADEN PART 1 (14:00) - via interview snippets from "The Story of DOCTOR WHO"
-- Sladen recounts her casting as Sarah Jane Smith and her initial encounter with then Doctor Jon Pertwee.  
-- Discusses acclimating to the role and coming to terms with both its strengths and limitations.  She talks about her first encounter with a WHO monster, her fist Dalek episode, her first CSO (color separation overlay - in effect, chroma key or  blue screen).
-- Talks about Pertwee's decision to leave the show shortly after her arrival, apparently based on his being reused a raise.
-- Says Ron Moody regretted turning down the Doctor role.
A brief segment of 2005 commentary from John Levene, UNIT Sergeant Benton.  
A Pertwee television appearance, including the afore mentioned future car.
Radio Times Listings 






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"The Impossible Astronaut"

"Day of the Moon"

"The Curse of the Black Spot"

"The Doctor's Wife"

"The Rebel Flesh"

"The Almost People"

"A Good Man Goes To War"

"Let's Kill Hitler"

"Night Terrors"


"The Doctor, The Widow and the Wardrobe" (2011 Christmas Special)  



"An Unearthly Child" (Story #1)

"The Daleks" (Story #2)

"The Edge of Destruction" (Story #3)

"Marco Polo" (Story #4)

"The Keys of Marinus(Story #5)

"The Aztecs" (Story #6)

"The Sensorites" (Story #7)

"The Reign of Terror" (Story #8)

"Planet of Giants" (Story #9) 

"The Dalek Invasion of Earth" (Story #10)

"The Rescue" (Story #11) 

"The Romans"  (Story #12) 

"The Web Planet" (Story #13) / SHERLOCK - "A Scandal in Belgravia" (Story #4)

"The Gunfighters" (Story #25)

"The Colony in Space" (Story #58) 

"Day of the Daleks" (Story #60) + Preview of the DotD Special Edition

"The Android Invasion" (Story #83) and SHERLOCK: "THE HOUNDS OF BASKERVILLE"  (Story #5) 

"The Talons of Weng-Chiang" (Story #91)

"The Sun Makers(Story #95)

"The Awakening" (Story #131)

"Frontios(Story #132)

"Time and the Rani" (Story #144)

"Paradise Towers" (Story #145) + New WHOvian Documentary / Newsbits


Merrick's Personal Journey With The Doctor (How Merrick Got Hooked On DOCTOR WHO)

DOCTOR WHO Title Sequences & DW At Comic-Con 2011

"The Crash of the Elysium" (Manchester version - interactive DOCTOR WHO adventure)

Why Eccleston Left, Here Comes Caroline Skinner, And Season/Series Six Part 1 on Blu-Ray And DVD

New Trailer For Season/Series Six Part 2



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  • Jan. 13, 2012, 11:25 a.m. CST


    by bigbangfan

  • Jan. 13, 2012, 11:26 a.m. CST

    I like TV Watson...

    by bigbangfan

    ... way more than Jude Law.

  • Jan. 13, 2012, 11:27 a.m. CST

    Can't wait till Sunday !!

    by Monkeybumcutlets

    Really looking forward to this one

  • Jan. 13, 2012, 11:34 a.m. CST

    Invasion of the Dinos is one of those DW stories

    by HornOrSilk

    Where DW Fans can enjoy laughing at the effects WHILE having a rather good script. Many of us have tried to get some sort of "special edition" here. We are more likely to get it for Terror of the Zygons, since the shots in question there are much more minor -- but nonetheless, I would not be surprised if, in the future, they enhance the colorization AND add new effects to make more money off of us fans. For this is a story which is good -- but it is also a story where the effects are just _that bad_.

  • Jan. 13, 2012, 11:41 a.m. CST

    Mike Yates = TRAITOR

    by obijuanmartinez

    If I remember my Pertwees correctly, I think Yates' brain got tweaked by the computer BOSS in 'The Green Death', which led to his buying into the Golden Age bit in this story - sad to see him go, but unlike the rest of the nice UNIT lads, at least the good Captain got a proper farewell in 'Planet of the Spiders' (as well as a nice cameo in 'The 5 Doctors')

  • Jan. 13, 2012, 11:45 a.m. CST

    By jimminy, a Pertwee story I've not seen

    by Ithrat Cordwallis

    But by golly I'd like to - it looks like an old chewits ad, but even better! Oh, and hello Doc/Lockback! Good news - I finally managed to listen to a couple of the Whotinininininininininnnniieisnniessns, and they were quite good. Bit baggy in places (well, duh...) and in the ones I've listened to so far Ken seems more a bit more comfortable behind the mic than Glen does, but as and when I manage to catch up, I'll be making a full report, via powerpoint, and giving marks out of ten on a seven point scale. Or not, if you're particularly lucky. Right, next job - invest in a television so I can watch this 'Sherlock' thing you're all raving about.

  • Where to begin? The antiquated 70s CSO dinos were truly awful! Not that you couldn't do a little 'Jurassic Park' sprucing here & there, but with a story like this, where would it end? At least with the 'Day of the Daleks' special ed, you had the obvious cleaning up of the Dalek voices (which were utterly atrocious in the original). Speaking of which, anyone know why they went with those un-modulated Dalek voices in 'Day'? I mean, somebody could've spoken the Dalek dialogue into a fan and sounded better!)

  • Jan. 13, 2012, 11:48 a.m. CST

    Barry Letts' comments about the dinosaurs are interesting

    by DoctorTom

    You'd have thought he would have at least passed word about this to Hinchcliffe and Holmes so that they wouldn't have had to learn things the hard way about the Loch Ness Monster sock puppet.

  • I can see where it would take too much time/money. Something like Terror of the Zygons or Warriors of the Deep it makes more sense where the amount of CGI is far more limited. Still, I wouldn't be surprised to see a fan do it with bits of the story. Heck, it wouldn't suprise me if a fan took bits and replaced what we had with some better Ray Harryhausen style stop motion animation. We did get flying dinosaurs in The Wedding of River Song, so maybe we'll get some more dinosaurs in a future story (now why do I get a mental picture of Matt Smith wearing a stetson and riding a dinosaur while I type that?).

  • Jan. 13, 2012, 12:02 p.m. CST

    It's a crime that...

    by TaisonX

    they only produce 3 "episodes" of Sherlock per year. I realize they're 90 minutes but damn, at least do 5-6.

  • Jan. 13, 2012, 12:05 p.m. CST

    obijuanmartinez - Day of the Daleks special edition

    by DoctorTom

    I think they went with the unmodulated Dalek voices originally because it had been 5 years since Daleks had been on the show, done by a different production team entirely, and they went by memory instead of actually watching an old Dalek episode. The one thing that I didn't like in the Special Edition for Day ol the Daleks was them trimming out the dialog of the second Ogron rushing out his lines after the first Ogron took so long to make his speech. I always enjoyed that little bit and was sorry to see it cut. They did help Pertwee's chase scene on the trike, though, seem almost believable.

  • Jan. 13, 2012, 12:16 p.m. CST

    Did I miss something? When did Moriarty get into police custody?

    by TheSeeker7

    I was wondering this even at the very end of last week's episode, during that little bit that was clearly to set up the final episode here, with Mycroft and Moriarty around the prison cell.<br> <br> Also, well all the fears and doubts I had of this guy they cast as Moriarty from the beginning, it's one thing when he's been sprinkled in here and there. But now with an episode being entirely about him, I'm really afraid it'll put the spotlight on how wrong of a choice they made for the character.

  • Jan. 13, 2012, 12:21 p.m. CST

    Very positive spoiler-free review of Sherlock here:


  • Jan. 13, 2012, 12:34 p.m. CST


    by Captain Howdy

    ... I'm guessing Moriarty went into police custody exactly when he wanted to, and in complete accordance with his plans. The sad alternative is that he's a rubbish supervillain.

  • Jan. 13, 2012, 12:46 p.m. CST

    Was just talking about Invasion of the Dinosaurs

    by gotilk

    with my friend. Like Hornorsilk says above... good writing... and effects you or I could have done a better job of... even back then (an exaggeration). With no budget. It's like they didn't even try. lol Seriously, and I don't mean to pick on them this many years later, but I had Dino toys that looked better. But the first part of this episode has one of the most gruesome images I've ever seen in Doctor Who. The pillager/looter dead on the curb after having been crushed by a Dino. Sarah Jane had to turn away. And it was a REALLY disturbing image. Almost like an image you would be shown in films like Red Asphalt, made to scare schoolchildren into driving carefully. Not AS bloody and gory, but still. Really a lot more than I expected to see. There's not much more to it than maybe some red added to the left side of his face. The mind fills in the rest. I think it was his pose that was the most disturbing part. But Dinos does mood right, and the creepy factor. In the B&W version especially, I'm reminded of Vincent Price's world in I am Legend (or was it called Last Man On Earth or something?). The lone dog in the empty streets, the trash, the evidence of everything being dropped in an instant. Very well done. And some funny moments. Oh and GOOD MORNING DocBack!

  • Jan. 13, 2012, 12:48 p.m. CST

    And Pertwee...

    by gotilk

    Always liked him, but he's growing on me.

  • ...was a drastic step down in quality compared to S02E01. Very sad about 3 weeks in hitting the 'season finale'! Any possibility BBC could make this a 13-week / 1 hour series? 3 = NOT ENOUGH! I am enjoying this contemporary version, yet I can see with Cumberbatch's star rising w/ War Horse & Tinker, Tailor last year & Hobbit + Star Trek 2 coming down the pipes, his time will be increasingly sparse!

  • Jan. 13, 2012, 1:10 p.m. CST

    taisonx - 5/6 episodes of Sherlock per year

    by Mister Vertue

    Sure, that's easily done! Although, Benedict would have to drop his involvement with the new Star Trek movie, Martin would have trouble with his further Hobbit commitments and The Moff wouldn't be able to continue his work on Doctor Who. Other than that, easily done.

  • Jan. 13, 2012, 1:38 p.m. CST

    They'll probably have Moriarty be a decoy,

    by Bedknobs and Boomsticks

    considering the audience reaction. Though his chaotic persona made sense, in order to throw off Sherlock's ability to read someone.

  • Jan. 13, 2012, 1:42 p.m. CST

    Hi all!

    by Kevin Bolinger

    Pertwee is my favorite Doctor, with Matt Smith being a very close second. As cheesy as the effects were in Invasion, I really liked this story. I cannot wait to see how this series of Sherlock ends. Hopefully it goes out as strong as it came in. And finally, for those that enjoy my silliness on youtube, I got the 11th Doctor with cowboy hat figure, and did a review, complete with me at Lake Silencio, getting a hat shot off my head :P

  • Jan. 13, 2012, 2:02 p.m. CST

    ...her fist Dalek episode

    by v3d

    I know the British allow much more adult programming on their airwaves, but wow. Was she the fistor or fistee?

  • Jan. 13, 2012, 2:24 p.m. CST

    ...ruined what should have been a dramtic moment

    by FreeBeer

  • Jan. 13, 2012, 2:46 p.m. CST

    darthdevious ! ! ! ! Great review as always.

    by gotilk

    I want that Fez/Mop Doctor still, even though you're right. The head sculpt is much better on the Stetson figure.

  • Jan. 13, 2012, 3:52 p.m. CST

    The 60 minute unaired pilot on the SHERLOCK series 1 DVD set

    by TheSeeker7

    For one thing, even while during the commentary track for The Great Game they talk about that in fact being the first episode they shot, but this 60 minute version of A Study In Pink must've actually been the first thing of all shot, before they knew the series would regularly be 90 minute episodes. And I didn't even know this existed before just a couple days ago, I don't have the official DVD set yet, but thankfully someone put a rip of this unaired pilot online and I've been taking a look at it.<br> <br> At first I thought that maybe they shot roughly 90 minutes worth of material but the edited the story down to the 60 minutes, but no, having that extra half hour changed the dynamic of the story so much (which, is not all that surprising, now that I think about it) they were two complete different shoots. There's not a single shot (much less scene) that was lifted from the unaired 60min pilot that was then used over again for the 90 minute version. And thank god they did, because in ways both big and small, this 60min one is sooooooooo inferior to the eventually aired version. It just sort of falls flat, kind of lays there. I mean if this was what ended up being aired, if the series were always 60 minutes long, I really doubt the show would be received so well as it has since.

  • Jan. 13, 2012, 4:31 p.m. CST

    The Unaired Pilot is on YouTube.

    by gotilk

    Watching it now, about 12 minutes in. Cannot put my finger on what the differences are, but it just feels... off. Maybe just a bit bland. Writing seems to be the same. I'll watch the rest.

  • Jan. 13, 2012, 4:54 p.m. CST

    *I assume scrubbed your floors by the state of her knees*

    by gotilk

    Such a great line. Yes, a lot of the charm is still there in the pilot. But it still feels a little unfinished.

  • Jan. 13, 2012, 5:11 p.m. CST

    I remember watching Invasion in a 3rd or 4th generation B/W copy

    by HornOrSilk

    That really left an impression! It helps with the effects!

  • Jan. 13, 2012, 5:17 p.m. CST

    The Three Moriarty Brothers

    by veteran_of_mu

    In Conan Doyle there were 3 Moriartes, all named James. Professor Moriarty is the one we all know and love. His brother James was an army colonel. And his other brother James was a station master. Well from the BBC's spoiler summary (damn I hate them for that) we have 3 criminal events all occurring simultaneously ... Now I will happily wager a giant dark toblerone that the older gentleman in the cell at the end of Hounds is Professor Moriarty. He has all the physical characteristics, his glance is able to lift all the Sherlocks off the walls, and he is suspiciously UNCREDITED in the list of players at the end of the ep. Then there's been speculation that Jim (the fan) Moriarty is not the same fellow as the chap who texted Mycroft in S2E1. Hairline looks different anyway ... Not much to go on I admit. But I was thrilled to see the older Moriarty and found the actor who played him extremely compelling. Does anyone know who that was?

  • Jan. 13, 2012, 5:28 p.m. CST


    by Kevin Bolinger

    Thank you sir! Yeah the fez Doctor comes with the Pandorica set, where you can build the box with sides that come with different figures. The Stetson version seems put together better, though I wish he came with the long coat instead of the tweed ... :P As for my short for The Breaux Show, Mike had recorded his part, then say how my half came out, told me my acting was so much better than his reaction, so he is going to re-record hs parts with more enthusiasm, and to make it match mine better, he says he hopes to have it all cut together next week, he just needs more time to deliver a better quality product :P

  • Jan. 13, 2012, 5:53 p.m. CST


    by Kevin Bolinger

    A few minutes into the unaired pilot on youtube...not liking what I see. The music is all wrong, the atmosphere all wrong, though some scenes are identical, the actual A Study in Pink we got is far, far superior...though this is good to see the production process early on, and how the characters were going to be presented.

  • Jan. 13, 2012, 6:26 p.m. CST


    by gotilk

    Aha! Cool, can't wait to see the new stuff with The Breaux Show. Kinda addicted to his show. I watched a ton of his older videos and they are all very entertaining.

  • Jan. 13, 2012, 6:29 p.m. CST

    darthdevious re: Unaired pilot.

    by gotilk

    Yeah, that was one of the major glaring issues. The music, even the theme, was all wrong. I need to watch the aired Study In Pink again to see if there are any major dialogue differences. I do not think there are. Could be wrong. Oh and the one on youtube only has the first 3 parts. He took down the last 2. :( Ah well.. I want the blu-ray anyway so I will eventually see the entire pilot.

  • Jan. 13, 2012, 6:37 p.m. CST


    by gotilk

    I just re-watched that sequence and I have to agree. At the very least that he is not an investigator or a lawyer, as I'm sure they want us to assume. And although I do recognize the actor, I have NO idea who he is. IMDB isn't helping either.

  • Jan. 13, 2012, 6:45 p.m. CST

    Rest of the pilot is online at ...

    by veteran_of_mu Agreed the SIP we got was better. Would have been better still with my ending on it ;-)

  • Jan. 13, 2012, 6:48 p.m. CST

    Thought Sebastian Moran was 'The Colonel' in Moriarty's employ...(?)

    by obijuanmartinez

  • Jan. 13, 2012, 8:19 p.m. CST

    doctortom RE: 'Warriors of the Deep' CGI

    by obijuanmartinez

    Let's redo the Myrka! God, that thing was like a bad 2-men in-a-horse Halloween costume - wretched! I recall even the grade-school age me couldn't suspend his/my disbelief for that ridiculous creation...a shame, b/c the storyline about the Silurian triads, etc. was actually pretty decent as I recall. Must say, I'm not the biggest Davison Doctor fan - I do put him towards the bottom of my 'Who' pantheon...

  • Jan. 13, 2012, 8:37 p.m. CST


    by gotilk

    My sister used to watch All Creatures Great & Small. I hated it, and I think it came on at the same time as some other show I liked. So there may be some part of me that is remembering his role in that preventing me from enjoying his time as The Doctor as much as I would if I'd never seen that show. Still, what I have seen of Davison has been fine. I wouldn't put him at the bottom of my list, but he's down there.

  • Jan. 13, 2012, 9:55 p.m. CST

    Whotininnies!!! Finally!!!

    by gotilk

    Nope. I hallucinated.

  • Jan. 13, 2012, 10:54 p.m. CST

    gotilk re: whotininnies

    by Merrick

    Nope, it's there. You're hallucinating that it's not. ;-)

  • Jan. 14, 2012, 1:47 a.m. CST

    Did I say how much I liked "A Study In Pink?"

    by Perigee

    ...Aaand that's all I can say. The rest are sitting there, still wrapped. Waiting. One a month. Only two more weeks until I can be as mildly disappointed in "The Blind Banker" as the rest of you. Sure - scoff now. But just you wait till June, when y'all are deep in the pangs of withdraw, and I'm firing up this episode for the first time. (This really does suck, you know...)

  • Jan. 14, 2012, 2:45 a.m. CST

    @obijuan - Colonel James Moriarty

    by veteran_of_mu

    From The Final Problem: ~It is with a heavy heart that I take up my pen to write these the last words in which I shall ever record the singular gifts by which my friend Mr. Sherlock Holmes was distinguished. In an incoherent and, as I deeply feel, an entirely inadequate fashion, I have endeavored to give some account of my strange experiences in his company from the chance which first brought us together at the period of the Study in Scarlet, up to the time of his interference in the matter of the Naval Treaty --and interference which had the unquestionable effect of preventing a serious international complication. It was my intention to have stopped there, and to have said nothing of that event which has created a void in my life which the lapse of two years has done little to fill. My hand has been forced, however, by the recent letters in which Colonel James Moriarty defends the memory of his brother, and I have no choice but to lay the facts before the public exactly as they occurred.~ Colonel Moran was indeed the Professor's right hand man but it is only very slightly possible that Doyle would have gotten this mixed up in the opening paragraph of such a controversial story. Now in The Valley of Fear Doyle describes a younger brother of the Professor as a Station Master. In Victorian times it was not at all possible for a Station Master to become a Colonel, and exceedingly unlikely that a Colonel would sink to become a Station Master. So we have 3 brothers Moriarty. It is entirely possible that the station master was not named James. Then again if you were to name two of your sons James, what would you name the third? Blanket?

  • That *first one's free* deal seemed suspicious.

  • Jan. 14, 2012, 4:41 a.m. CST


    by gotilk

    Stay strong! You can do this. You'll have something new while the rest of us are mainlining YouTube clips of Dimensions In Time wondering why the 3d won't work.

  • Jan. 14, 2012, 6:03 a.m. CST

    Again I ask, when is this coming to Canadian TV or PBS?

    by tangcameo

    If anybody knows. And if anybody already answered this last time, sorry and thanks!

  • Jan. 14, 2012, 8:58 a.m. CST

    Try using Expat Shield

    by stv

    It is a proxy Works great. Lets you go to BBCiplayer and download the show with a 30 day licence to watch on your computer

  • Jan. 14, 2012, 3:19 p.m. CST


    by gotilk

    Sherlock series 1 premiered in Canada on Showcase back in Sept, 2010. I imagine series 2 will be on Showcase as well, but as hard as I've tried to find information about it, I can find nothing so far.

  • Jan. 14, 2012, 4:06 p.m. CST

    Didn't Jack Harkness do something like this in "Bad Wolf"?

    by Merrick

  • page 246. I have so much respect for Ernest Cline now. Masterpiece. It still invades my dreams. Just last night I was dreaming that I was playing GORF in a virtual arcade. So I was dreaming about playing a game within a game. GORF was the first arcade game I ever *turned over* (played on a single quarter to such a high score that it went back to zero). I remember turning it over the first time and having to literally YELL at the top of my lungs for an employee at the pizza parlor to come witness it so I would hit the high score board and knock a friend of mine out of the top spot for that game and get a free *personal pizza* a day for a month. That was also the location of my first death playing *Hit Man*, which was a kind of pre-cursor LARP game we were doing at my school before the game was banned on campus. I didn't know that one of my closest friends had my name as his hit. He nailed me while I was playing GORF, in fact. Sadly, I have not spotted any obvious second Doctor Who reference in the book. But I bet there is one... or more. I'm actually going to buy the Wil Wheaton audio book version just to hear him say his own name. lol And of course to *read* the book a few more times. I'm so enthused about this book, I plan to do what I did with Cory Doctorow's Down and Out in the Magic Kingdom, which is buy multiple copies just to turn people I know on to the beautiful universe Cline has created. Might have to wait for the trade paperback to come out in order to afford it. Maybe I can find used copies eventually. I'm going to go nurse my nauseating migraine a little more now, and hit the book again to finish it today since I have some free time. I hope all of you DocBackers are having a great weekend. I'll be back later.

  • Jan. 14, 2012, 4:16 p.m. CST


    by gotilk

    That is what people in certain communities would call *a keeper*. LOL!!!

  • Jan. 14, 2012, 5:21 p.m. CST

    Yeah, Merrick

    by DoctorTom

    but Jack's was loaded... (I'm sure there's many other jokes that can be made based on that statement). Funny article, though.

  • Jan. 14, 2012, 5:22 p.m. CST

    Good luck finishing it, Gotilk!

    by DoctorTom

    So, when OASIS opens up do we set up a business selling oscillation overthrusters, or one selling flux capacitors?

  • Jan. 14, 2012, 5:23 p.m. CST

    Last Sherlock for 2012...

    by Bunnie

    and probably none for 2013 either. That or a late in the year showing. What are the commitments from the main actors/writers for the next two years? Dr Who 50th anniversary, Hobbit Part I and II, Star Trek sequel etc?

  • Jan. 14, 2012, 6:34 p.m. CST


    by gotilk

    I'm at Level 3, page 269 now. Had to take a break. Exciting!! I think we should open up a Virtual Architectural Firm. The current story I've been working on for a few months called DIANA focuses on a rich game designer and his AI creation that holds him hostage for almost a decade. One of his weaknesses is that he was always celebrated for his environments but criticized for not being very strong on characters and story, so he often had to work with collaborators in order to make his games strong in those departments. He alienates most of his collaborators (no real fault of his own, more due to his disorder) and is stuck relying on his AI creation to collaborate with him. This creates great success for him, but in the process gives far too much power and control to his AI due to his tendency to isolate himself. He discovers that she has been impersonating him for all of his media appearances and creating games and hardware he was never made aware of. This makes him the richest man in the world, but also traps him both physically in his elaborate home/city and through financial and creative dependency. When I first started reading Ready Player One, I realized it was almost as if I was writing a story about Halliday's early years. I may find a way to VERY subtly connect my story to Cline's.

  • Jan. 14, 2012, 11:43 p.m. CST

    tangcameo ... gotilk ...

    by DrMorbius

    From MASTERPIECE MYSTERY!, premiering at 9:00 p.m. May 6 and continuing through May 20, Sherlock Holmes stalks again in the three-part “Sherlock, Series 2.” This modern version, set in 21st-century London, stars Benedict Cumberbatch (War Horse) as the go-to consulting detective and Martin Freeman (The Hobbit) as his loyal friend, Dr. John Watson. On PBS

  • Jan. 15, 2012, 12:42 a.m. CST

    I always figured Paddy Russell was a man...

    by Barrymore

    ...but she is not!

  • Jan. 15, 2012, 4:47 a.m. CST

    Thanks gotlik and drmorbius!

    by tangcameo

    Hmm. I'm a little worried about Showcase. They used to be a major source of BBC here, even in 2010, but they've switched to blockbuster movies, somewhat original programming, and reruns of what their current owners already show on Global (remember when they used to do lots of BBC and foreign films? those were the days). They had Luther and Sherlock on before PBS in 2010 but I haven't seen any more Luther so I kind of doubt they'll show any more Sherlock. And I'll no longer have access to PBS in the near future. Tired of paying $122 for all the crap channels just to get PBS, Space, TCM, and the other few channels that haven't gone brain dead. When is it coming to North American iTunes?

  • Jan. 15, 2012, 5:05 a.m. CST

    Forgive my ignorance but which Third Doctor episode had...

    by tangcameo

    ...The Doctor dealing with a series of puzzles and if he got them wrong he'd be killed. I remember Pertwee trying to figure out a maze on a wall or a door, using his sonic screwdriver. I know I should know this.

  • Jan. 15, 2012, 9:52 a.m. CST

    My five year old just...

    by Merrick

    ...overheard me talking about "The Reichenbach Fall," became visibly upset, and ran into our living room to check on... ...the Rokenbok toys he got for Christmas, which he thought had collapsed. ( I guess it's gonna be one of THOSE days.

  • Jan. 15, 2012, 12:43 p.m. CST


    by DoctorTom

    I imagine iTunes will have the Sherlock episodes shortly after PBS shows them. Amazon might have them then also for streaming. The story with Pertwee solving puzzles is probably Death to the Daleks. He had to solve some puzzles in a maze there.

  • Jan. 15, 2012, 12:48 p.m. CST

    Merrick, that's amusing

    by DoctorTom

    Obviously you're going to have to cheer your five year old up by getting out the fart machine. I'd imagine that you'd have a good chance of that working.

  • Jan. 15, 2012, 4:18 p.m. CST

    Ok, what's going on????????????????????????

    by axcel1

    No one, no one has made any comment (negative or positive) on SHERLOCK "The Reichenbach Fall". With a 6 hour time difference, it must have aired by now. Was it that bad that everyone has been stunned to silence? Huh, no, I sure that's NOT the case. As a US fan, I will be waiting eagerly for someone's "Siskel and Ebert-y" review of it.

  • Jan. 15, 2012, 4:20 p.m. CST


    by maelstrom_ZERO

    Yeah, I'm a bit curious too--usually reactions have been posted by now. I'm actually terribly apprehensive given how mediocre last week's episode was. I mean, heck, I enjoyed Blink Banker more than Hounds. It was that bad.

  • It's 4:30 CST USA - would expect some thoughts w/in the hour.

  • Jan. 15, 2012, 4:32 p.m. CST


    by rakesh patel

    great episode. fantastic infact

  • Jan. 15, 2012, 4:34 p.m. CST

    Tonights Episode

    by Dean Dolan

    Couldn't take your eyes off it. Phenomenal episode!

  • Jan. 15, 2012, 4:35 p.m. CST

    Best Episode Yet

    by Dean Dolan

    Dont want to give anything away to our USA friends, but Moffat knocked it out of the park

  • I have not watched any new Sherlock yet, I was planning to wait and watch all of them back to back after tonight. Oh, look at that, while typing, PBS was playing a Sherlock ad, they are replaying last year's episodes. Sorry to hear last week's episode was bad, I hope when I watch it, I won't see the bad points. And, I wonder if the cliffhanger will be similar to "The Final Problem"? I would think it would, but, I could be wrong.

  • Jan. 15, 2012, 4:37 p.m. CST

    Very impressive

    by mus42

    Just finished enjoying tonight's Sherlock, very impressed that they found new ways to handle the storyline. Lets hope they get to make more!

  • Jan. 15, 2012, 4:38 p.m. CST


    by rakesh patel

    this epsiode started at 9pm, 1 hour later then usual. a lot of Moriarty, whilst some find him irritating, i think he plays the nemesis of Sherlock extremely well. Never read The Reichenbach Fall, so i wasn't quite sure what to expect. Moriraty spends episode, trying and succeeding in destroying Sherlock. Really good episode, best of the bunch. great ending as well, just extremely peed off that we're not going to have new episodes for a while (there's got to be a third season!)

  • Jan. 15, 2012, 4:44 p.m. CST

    If you haven't seen the epsode

    by rakesh patel

    then don't go to john watsons blog, it's been updated.. with spoilers!

  • Jan. 15, 2012, 4:44 p.m. CST

    Great but not fantastic... (semi spoilage)

    by dj_bollocks

    Could have done without the final reveal...

  • Jan. 15, 2012, 4:44 p.m. CST

    The Ending

    by Dean Dolan

    Can't wait to see how in the next series [hoping there is one] they explain the ending. Just re-watched it and cannot see how they will but intrigued to find out.

  • Jan. 15, 2012, 4:45 p.m. CST

    Unless the point was...

    by dj_bollocks

    The greatest trick the devil ever pulled was to convince the world he didn't exist

  • That's a good sign, I think. One from someone who read the Holmes story and one who didn't.

  • Jan. 15, 2012, 4:48 p.m. CST

    @dixie8193 *****SPOILERS*******

    by rakesh patel

    maybe it was done mission impossible style, those kids were scared of Sherlock somehow right? There was one corpse up there already, and of course, molly does the report.

  • Jan. 15, 2012, 4:49 p.m. CST

    Absolutely temendous.

    by niven

    After a fantastic first episode, I (and rightfully so) expressed doubt that they would ever match up to Irene Adler's debut. I was predictably proven right with last weeks fillerish episode, but with tonights episode. I can tell it dosen't necessarily reach the same heights, but certainly surpasses it in very different ways. Probably one of the most emotional and well written layer cakes of television I've seen in the past 12 months (and lord knows with Game of Thrones, Breaking Bad and Homeland, we've had some great television) but this episode of Sherlock from start to end really hit all the marks for me. I wouldn't mind them actually ending the show on top like this. A+, 10/10, i cannot rave about this to my american friends any better.

  • Jan. 15, 2012, 4:54 p.m. CST

    Fantastic stuff (Spoilery Spoilersonn ahead)

    by cushing1967

    Loved it - I thought that Moriarty was magnificent - I liked the fluctuations between madness and sheer danger. Loved the 'all of my friends?' - meaning that his attitude to Molly had paid off in dividends - assuming she was on the bike and was asked to knock Watson over so he was disorientated. Wonder what else she did for him and how that ties in? Possibly drug as a relaxant? Loved the opening sequence and the ultimate resolution. Loved the 'I'm not that angry' line Very happy with the final reveal - to not have it would have been too corny for me. Some very funny lines and some very funny jump cuts. Staying Alive - loved the reason Moriarty had this on his phone. Some slight issues with Thought Lestrade turned just a little too quickly. No idea why Mycroft would have let Moriarty go though - probably still to be dealt with, or maybe he was concerned about the key still being out there?

  • Jan. 15, 2012, 4:56 p.m. CST

    double edged moffat tweet!

    by rakesh patel

    Steven Moffat @steven_moffat 11m Reply Retweet Favorite · Open #sherlock Yes of course there's going to be a third series - it was commissioned at the same time as the second. Gotcha!

  • Jan. 15, 2012, 4:58 p.m. CST

    Spoilers but thought it was a great ending...

    by Sundaycall1

    Great. Especially from the "weaknest" writer from last series. FYI He threw moriartys corpse off the roof. Molly forges corpse records = fake death. Plus he already faked a death in ep 1. There's blanks yea. But you have to leave something for series 3. Yeo

  • Jan. 15, 2012, 4:58 p.m. CST

    A M A Z I N G

    by Rob

    Tonight's episode was truly gripping from start to finish, twists on 'The Final Problem' as expected but handled with such panache and daring - managing to move the whole show forward in breathtaking manner. Why can't more TV be this good and I really hope they get the chance to make a few more.

  • Jan. 15, 2012, 5:01 p.m. CST

    Ah - other spoilery thoughts

    by cushing1967

    All the nurses, passers by and cyclist were probably there on the orders of Mycroft to add blood and create confusion and add to the general cover up.

  • Jan. 15, 2012, 5:01 p.m. CST

    Merrick - those Rokenbok toys are cool.

    by gotilk

    Too bad I didn't know about them when mine was 5-7 years old. Too old for 'em now. At least he always had legos. I love building toys. Might even have another kid just so I can have an excuse to buy those things and play with 'em. lol But seriously, do you find yourself just getting lost in building things with him? I used to spend like 4-5 hours at a time just playing with Legos with my boy. Oh. Whotininnies? ROFL! (I just cannot resist, sorry)

  • Jan. 15, 2012, 5:03 p.m. CST

    Should be watching Sherlock in about 20 minutes.

    by gotilk


  • Jan. 15, 2012, 5:06 p.m. CST


    by dj_bollocks

  • Jan. 15, 2012, 5:08 p.m. CST

    wrong wrong wrong wrong wrong [spoiler?]

    by Mistermussel

    Why didn't they just end with Holmes walking away? That would have been the delicious ending. There was no need to end with that final shot. We had enough clues to ponder the months ahead - the final conversation with the lab tech, the cyclist who knocked him over, the .... there's always three, aren't there? What was the third clue? Anyone?

  • Jan. 15, 2012, 5:14 p.m. CST

    Re: mistermussel (spoilers)

    by dj_bollocks

    A Sherlock mask apparently... hence the little girl screaming when she saw Sherlock in the police station...

  • Jan. 15, 2012, 5:53 p.m. CST

    Ending (spoilers)

    by Dimpy

    Agree with mistermussel - they shouldn't have done the full reveal at the end. I would have loved to see John Watson walking away from the grave as the camera tracks left behind the silhouetted trees... to see someone with an upturned collar hidden in shadow... cue music.

  • Jan. 15, 2012, 6:19 p.m. CST


    by Col. Tigh-Fighter

    You've got some explaining to do for season 3! A great episode. I had my jaw on the table for various parts of that.

  • Jan. 15, 2012, 7:17 p.m. CST

    Of course there will be a third series...

    by Ace of Wands

    ... clues have already been left for Sherlock to explain just how he faked his own death. Surely those who have read Conan Doyle know that Doyle killed off Holmes in The Final Problem only to have to bring him back due to public demand (and probably financial reasons) in The Empty House. I suspect that Holmes will have gone under cover until he can rectify the threat against those close to him and obviously Molly's part in his deception is yet to be revealled in the next series (don't think that she is the cyclist but whoever that is is definitely in on it). Also notice how Sherlock- supposedly from the roof- directed Watson away from the direction that he was taking so that he could witness Holmes' fall from the roof and stopping him, presumably, from going where Holmes didn't want him to go.

  • Jan. 15, 2012, 7:41 p.m. CST


    by notspock2

    a truck full of rubbish bags, just happens to drive off seconds after a body hits the pavement???

  • Jan. 15, 2012, 8:17 p.m. CST

    That was MAGNIFICENT!

    by gotilk

    Masterpiece indeed. I don't even know where to begin. I will say that was the best TV I've seen in a VERY long time. And it certainly rivals any film I've seen in quite a while as well. BRAVO Moffat and Gatiss! And everyone else involved! I wonder how many people will now have *Stayin' Alive* as their ringtone? If the Bee Gees set things up correctly with the licensing, they should be making a killing right about now. I would also like to say that I love the fact that there are only 3 90 minute films every series. Keep it that way. I'd much rather see this kind of focus, attention and quality 3 times a year than see any kind of Sherlock filler. I will be watching that one a few more times as soon as I finish all these books I'm speeding through now. WOW! BRAVO! BRAVO!

  • Jan. 15, 2012, 8:18 p.m. CST

    Watson's Blog

    by Celicynd

    anyone able to post what the video on Watson's blog says? Looks like its a BBC news broadcast, but I can't get it to play.

  • Jan. 15, 2012, 8:32 p.m. CST

    It seems fairly obvious. (HUGE SPOILERS!!) HUGE

    by gotilk

    The rubbish truck, that's where Sherlock landed. The reason he needed the lab tech (name?) was to obtain a body. The reason the body had Sherlock's face? He acquired the Sherlock mask Moriarty used with the children(how? the reporter's apartment or the lab tech's assistance). The reason he had Watson in a specific spot was so that his view of the fall was limited or positioned so that he wouldn't see him fall into the truck.The cyclist? Who knows? It had to be someone that was willing to keep his mouth shut when he realized what he was doing and what was happening at the same moment that he did what he was told/paid to do.... run Watson over. Frame by frame analysis shows for sure, the rubbish truck with big fluffy bags in it AND when Watson is being knocked over one woman is standing away from the gathered crowd around the body. She is either making a phone call or observing the situation. She's not acting like the rest of the crowd. She's away from them.

  • Jan. 15, 2012, 8:39 p.m. CST

    The Return of Sherlock Holmes

    by HornOrSilk

    Well, it's set, and we already got something from it at the ending. I think it is best they showed him alive - it's not as if people didn't know, so they left the mystery elsewhere. He still has to search for and find Moriarty's men-- and I expect he does so with Irene; he learned from her quite well. In the end, one will realize something, come back and follow Watson, leading to Holmes' real return. The only weakness I felt is that Mycroft could have done much more if he really is so powerful. He could have made Moriarty disappear.. and stay gone.

  • Jan. 15, 2012, 8:41 p.m. CST

    I can't get the video on Watson's blog to play either.

    by gotilk

    Region restricted? It'll make its way to YouTube soon enough, but I want to see it NOW! Already check YouTube, nothing yet. So far all of the searches, using *uploaded today* filters and various keywords/tags just gets me Emma Watson inspired make-up tips and Queen's You're My Best Friend videos.

  • Jan. 15, 2012, 10:37 p.m. CST

    I'm a little shocked there isn't more reaction here.

    by gotilk

    That was a pretty striking piece of TV history.

  • Jan. 16, 2012, 12:16 a.m. CST


    by Kevin Bolinger

    Still pulling my jaw off the floor...I need to re-watch this ep, I missed a few things at the the garbage truck, damn...Thank god I have Who to look forward to, you know, to fill in the gap till more Sherlock... :P lol see what I did there? it was cleaver :P

  • Jan. 16, 2012, 12:31 a.m. CST

    Thank you, gotilk! [SPOILERS]

    by AnnoyYou

    I knew the solution had to be due to Molly's involvement, but was not at all sure how, and I would have been driven crazy trying to figure it out during the upcoming LONG-ASS interim between seasons (I'm sure Cumberbatch and Freeman are fullu booked elsewhere through 2013). But you've given me the answers and I thank you. That said, this was an unbelievably great, affecting episode. Cumberbatch was masterful as always, but for me this episode hinged on the unbelievably nuanced, emotional performance by Freeman and by Andrew Scott's brilliant turn as the truly crazed, scary and ultimately tormented Moriarty (who I KNOW isn't really dead either). What a great fucking series!

  • Jan. 16, 2012, 1:11 a.m. CST


    by gotilk

    You're welcome. I just hope I'm right.

  • Jan. 16, 2012, 1:16 a.m. CST

    More SPOILERS.

    by AnnoyYou

    It just occurred to me that Mycroft may have had a hand in this fake death (isn't this part of the original Conan Doyle story?), probably as a way to atone for his betrayal of Sherlock to Moriarty. He would be the one to dispense with an autopsy, have the body interred immediately (or cremated) and then stage a fake funeral. That would tie everything up neatly. Oh - and is it me, or did Thompson do a little tribute to Kirk's eulogy for Spock in The Wrath of Khan when Watson is talking to Sherlock at his gravesite?

  • Jan. 16, 2012, 1:36 a.m. CST

    And this is exactly why we need more of this magnificent series.

    by elgato73

    If this series doesn't win a BAFTA for best television series with Cumberbatch as best actor then it will truly be the crime of the century. Hell, this show needs multiple Emmy nominations for everyone involved. Downton Abbey will be long forgotten while years from now this series will be talked about as the real classic it is. For my money, Moriarty isn't dead either. Richard Brook (or whoever the Hell that was) is however. He took his own life. The real Moriarty is very much alive since his game with Holmes is far, far from over. Mycroft was probably involved in Holmes faking his own death. Rubbish truck, bicyclist, etc., etc... Holmes cannot die as the game is still very much afoot.

  • Jan. 16, 2012, 1:54 a.m. CST

    Sherlock: how he did it

    by Jack Parsons

    1. A Sherlock mask existed. How know we? The kid screamed at the sight of Sherlock. SOMEone had a mask. Sherlock took it from either of the two assassins he met, or found it at the candy factory, or searched Moriarty's body and found it. Failing that, he had one made. 2. Sherlock had a body on the rooftop. Moriarty's. It had to be Moriarty's body, or why didn't the police find Moriarty's body after Sherlock jumped from the roof. They would look. OR: Sherlock had a certain someone hide a body up there to put the mask on, or already had the mask on. In that case, Moriarty's suicide screwed Sherlock's plans up; he now had two bodies. 3. Certain someone. Sherlock asked Molly, the ME in charge of stiffs, for help. We never found out what the help was. Her job was to get that masked body declared Sherlock and dead. Perhaps she also arranged for a masked stiff to be waiting on the roof - recall Moriarty mentioned that he was glad Sherlock picked a tall building. 4. Sherlock obviously arranged for Watson to be pistoned to the ground, so he could not properly witness the "body". I suspect Watson figured this out.

  • Still no more Doctor Who references found. But I did catch a great, more subtle reference to Gilliam's Brazil. Something that MUST happen. Ogden Morrow must actually be played in the film by Steve Wozniak. He could pull it off, I'm sure of it. And I bet he'd do it if they paid his salary to charity. I'm on page 316 and my eyes are doing that thing they do when I'm over-tired, or my eyes are over-tired. They dart back and forth uncontrollably and randomly. It makes it impossible to read, so I have to stop for the night which is just killing me. ACK! I hope each and every one of you wonderful DocBackers had an amazing weekend. Be well, type at you tomorrow!

  • Jan. 16, 2012, 2:21 a.m. CST


    by gotilk

    Yes, I see what you did there! lol Very cleaver. Hope the video making is going well. One of these days, one of these days... I'll start making some of those YouTubes you youngin's seem to enjoy so much.

  • Jan. 16, 2012, 2:25 a.m. CST

    annoyyou (spoileriffic)

    by gotilk

    I think you may be right, Mycroft perhaps had something to do with it. But Molly probably has access to pretty much anything he needed and he did ask for her help, so she at least had some hand in it. Mycroft was a little more cheeky than mournful when reading the paper, wasn't he?

  • Jan. 16, 2012, 3:25 a.m. CST

    Massive conjectural SPOILERS. Avoid unless you saw it.

    by Peter

    Enjoyed this greatly. Firstly, neither Moriarty isn't dead either. Both faked their own death as part of their great game. I've lived in London for years and I've never seen an open-topped truck full of refuse sacks. Never. So, Holmes needed Molly to steal him a bag of blood plasma. He set up the rooftop meeting with Moriarty and secreted the plasma on his person, anticipating the end of the game. Moriarty did the same, bringing a gun loaded with blanks and attached a blood squid to the back of his head. Unlikely? Yes, of course it is, but this is fiction, after all. So the mental chess game plays out as intended; Moriarty fakes his suicide to force Sherlock into jumping off the building. Sherlock stands on the edge, manipulates Watson into place and talks to him, stalling until a suitablly soft truck comes by. Then, off he pops, falling into the truck, then rolling off breaking the plasma bag. With Molly's help, he is declared dead in the hospital and they bury someone else's corpse. Simple. Er, complicated, but remember: How often have I said to you that when you have eliminated the impossible, whatever remains, however improbable, must be the truth?

  • Jan. 16, 2012, 4:09 a.m. CST


    by HornOrSilk

    I don't think they will be doing that; it would depart too much from Doyle's ideas.

  • Sherlock Holmes isn't fooled by a squib. Not for a moment. To get the game to play out you really do have to have Richard Brook to off himself. And we've already seen how that's done - last episode. Our Professor Moriarty was present at the Reichenbach Fall - at the start of this episode. You only see the back of him this time - you have to be looking out for him. I suspect if we spend a little time freeze framing we'll find him in every episode. Still I think Gotilk deserves a prize for sussing the end. I would have got it, but not that fast. Well done, sir. I'll be back with followup tomorrow after I get a chance to properly analyse the thing. Very happy with that. The Black Spot is out.

  • Jan. 16, 2012, 4:50 a.m. CST

    Oh, btw ...

    by veteran_of_mu

    The reason for all the publicity around Moriarty, along with a very public death, was so the real Professor could go back into the shadows. Same as Sherlock.

  • Jan. 16, 2012, 5:29 a.m. CST


    by notspock2

    I just want to say- They did an excellent job of using camera angles to make the audience ignore the big honking building that was obscuring Watson's view of the landing site. I only caught it the second time thru... I think Gotlik has pretty much described the way it'll play out... It's almost a shame that they showed us Sherlock was still alive at the end. That would have been a legendary cliff hanger...

  • Jan. 16, 2012, 5:48 a.m. CST

    SH Third Series...

    by Bunnie

    ...already commissioned a year or so back according to Mark Gatiss' twitter. Now they just need to write and get production rolling and drag the actors away from whatever Hollywood committments are beckoning!

  • Jan. 16, 2012, 6:05 a.m. CST

    Dr John Watson Blog video

    by Col. Tigh-Fighter

    For those who cant see it. It is an intro from real BBC Breakfast tv presenters that then cuts to a piece to camera by a woman who is obviously an actor (and not that good as well) in front of St Barts hospital. It basically summerises the Sherlock was a fake the whole time story.

  • Jan. 16, 2012, 6:26 a.m. CST

    As for the ending -- spoilers

    by HornOrSilk

    I am not sure if he used Moriarty's body or not. In the original foundation, Watson saw both fall, so this could be a way to have "both fall" if he used the body. But I think having a body with a mask will look like a body with a mask. I think Sherlock did a bit more than a mask (but the mask gave him the idea?). The real question is why Holmes would be concerned with his reputation. He shouldn't be. And Mycroft should have used power to stop any bad publicity. That is the only weakness here, imo. Now, I think Moriarty is dead. No coming back. He is dead. He became a combination of the Joker/Riddler/Moriarty/Raskolnikov, and Pavel Fyodorovich Smerdyakov. The ending is very Dostoevsky.

  • Jan. 16, 2012, 6:27 a.m. CST

    I did spot .....

    by Dalius

    I too spotted the Wrath of Khan reference at the graveside. I also spotted the re-use of at least one location from recent Dr.Who (possibly two), specifically the corridor where the children were kidnapped is the same corridor where Amy first saw Madam Kovarian and met Melody in the spacesuit. I also live near Addlestone, and I've no idea where the hell that factory was supposed to be !

  • Jan. 16, 2012, 6:39 a.m. CST

    Sherlock/Dr Who crossovers

    by Col. Tigh-Fighter

    For interest, Sherlock and Who are both made by the same teams of people, and filmed in the same areas (on the whole). A friend of mine was 1st AD on this last episode, and was also 1st AD on a few episodes of Who and the Sarah Jane Chronicles. I bet a lot of the camera and art teams plus editors also have worked on both shows. I bet there's all sorts of re-using locations, props, and other stuff in Sherlock.

  • Jan. 16, 2012, 6:43 a.m. CST

    The best of those I've seen. 6/10.

    by Octavian

    And so it ends, for now. I've been critical of this series. Here is why. My two favourite pop lit characters are Sherlock Holmes and Superman. The former, now sadly public domain and free to be pillaged, the latter thankfully trademarked and protected from the kiss curl down. If someone had done to Superman what Moffat has done to Holmes there would be questions in the House. The great detective has not "enjoyed" a higher profile for a generation. We have RDJ's ludicrous but fun pantomime dame and we have Cumberbatch's Asperger syndrome sufferer with additional vague reminiscences of Clunk from Stop The Pigeon. Neither of them are complete disasters. Neither of them are Sherlock Holmes. Holmes does not have superpowers, as seems to be implied by Moffat as he plasters the screen with text only slightly less obtrusive than an Adam West "Ka-Pow!!!" Holmes was a self-taught genius going about his business quietly fuelled only by his sense of justice and a seven percent solution of cocaine. He brought the guilty to justice and more than once let the guilty go free aided by his estimable and heroic sidekick. Often, when challenged, Holmes would explain his extraordinary deductions, probably never more famously than in the adventure of The Red-Headed League. Explaining his knowledge of the life and times of the unwitting victim Jabez Wilson he is told by his subject “Well, I never! [...] I thought at first that you had done something clever, but I see that there was nothing in it, after all.” much to Holmes's irritation. "Omne ignotum pro magnifico." he replies. Holmes was a man with a brilliant mind, not a hyperactive fruitcake. Moriarty was a man with a brilliant mind opposite yet equal to Holmes, not the Joker as we saw portrayed last night. Mycroft was greater than both, and not likely to be outwitted by the Napoleon of crime, and definitely not a man who would stand on the sidelines and watch Sherlock get on with it. In The Final Problem Watson returns to the Falls having previously been lured back to the hotel to find a note nearby in which Holmes tells the doctor he is about to settle the Moriarty question once and for all. He assumes the two men fell into the mist and died. Last night's death scene was somewhat more black and white. We know from Who how Moffat gets out of these tangled plots he lays for himself. He shrugs and says "That'll do." and delivers a couple of lines of weak explanation before starting his next bout of self-congratulation. Last night, while on the way to give evidence against Moriarty, Watson warns Holmes of the difference between being clever and being a smartarse. That dialogue encapsulated the entire issue of this version of Holmes for me. Sherlock Holmes was clever. Sherlock is just a smartarse.

  • Jan. 16, 2012, 7:03 a.m. CST

    Jack Parsons has the correct solution.

    by Azby

    The body is Moriarty wearing the Sherlock mask he used to scare the kids. Sherlock ran away (he didn't even fall), Molly covered it up. Easy. The rubbish truck was too far away to be involved and leaves too many unaswered questions about the bodies.

  • Jan. 16, 2012, 7:08 a.m. CST


    by Azby

    the problem with that theory is that the falling man is waving his arms round very much maybe the truck is involved. The body is moriarty in a mask though.

  • Jan. 16, 2012, 7:23 a.m. CST


    by Peter

    That's a pretty damning indictment of the whole production, but I have to disagree with at least one of your assertions; Holmes may be public domain, but I think that's a good thing - it means that we can get many creative and divisive interpretations of the characters and story. 'Sherlock' might not be terribly true to Conan Doyle's famous character, but that doesn't make the series a failure. In fact, it's quite an exciting and fanciful version. Purists have Jeremy Brett. I suggest that Sherlock Holmes has generally been done well, over the years, with many dazzling reinventions that keep the character current and only a few misfires. If only Superman was handled quite so well. The last filmic version of the Man of Steel was extraordinarily dull and staid. I'd rather enjoy seeing what would happen if different creative teams delivered their take on the character without licensing restrictions. By the same token, look at the broad retellings of HP Lovecraft's Cthulhu Mythos stories. Would they be so popular if not able to be so freely reimagined? I'm not sure they would, but because they are, there's a thriving subgenre of mythos fiction.

  • Jan. 16, 2012, 7:28 a.m. CST

    Azby (spoilers)

    by Peter

    The falling man was alive and definitely fell into the truck. I'd bet proper money on it. There's just no other reason to have an open-air refuse truck and so deftly edit the scene to show the truck directly adjacent to Sherlock. And was Sherlock really able to dress Moriarty's body in his own clothes, given just a few seconds? It's not Moriarty that fell. You saw Sherlock lean forward and jump, clearly alive. So he simply must have orchestrated the scene, keeping Watson away using his homeless irregulars, colluding with Molly (I still maintain she supplied blood from the hospital, as there was much of it there - where else did it come from, as he wouldn't have been quite so badly hurt, I presume). As for Moriarty. Not dead. Probably. That bit's just a feeling.

  • Jan. 16, 2012, 7:29 a.m. CST

    I think most of it...

    by dj_bollocks

    ...was figured out much earlier in the thread ! :o)

  • Jan. 16, 2012, 7:48 a.m. CST

    Nobody noticed the plot holes?

    by Monkey Butler

    After the pre-credits bit, we jump to "three months earlier" as Holmes starts to become famous. "Six weeks later" (Watson mentions it), the verdict at Moriarty's trial is read. The confrontation at the end occurs "two months later" than that. Those two time jumps add up to more than three months. It's weird that the writers would include title cards and dialogue specifically mentioning when things are happening, and then still get it wrong. <p> The trial is played wrongly as well. The prosecution has a prima facie case against Moriarty, so if he didn't give any kind of defence the question of guilt wouldn't go to a jury. It's also not up to the jury to decide whether to decide if Holmes is an expert witness or not, as the Judge says. <p> Nitpicks aside, this was as good a "Holmes dies" story as we could have hoped for. The acting was great, and they finally redeemed Moriarty as a character. It was good to hear him talk about 'ordinary' people and how hard it was to find something to live for when he was so much better than everyone else. We finally got somewhere close to a proper psychopath, which is what the writers have been trying for all along.

  • Jan. 16, 2012, 8:58 a.m. CST

    Sherlock set it up for Watson

    by HornOrSilk

    Just like in the original. That is a thing we must remember. He had to make Watson believe he was dead, then the world would do so. I hope he has adventures with Irene Adler dealing with the remnants of Moriarty's associates before having to come back and save Watson.

  • Jan. 16, 2012, 8:58 a.m. CST

    As for the timing

    by HornOrSilk

    It's not off. You just have to pay better attention :)

  • And Basil is recognized as Holmes for all. And they are doing a good job referencing many cases in these stories, more than the Basil Rathbone ones.

  • Jan. 16, 2012, 9:20 a.m. CST

    hornorsilk, was that directed at me?

    by Monkey Butler

    If so, what did I miss because of my lack of attention?

  • Jan. 16, 2012, 9:41 a.m. CST

    Dr. Who/Sherlock endings similar? *spoilers*

    by Sequitur

    Both extremely famous, perhaps too being forced to fake their deaths to save their friends and slink into the shadows. Also, the Doctor wore a fake Doctor suit and most think Sherlock used a fake Sherlock mask to achieve these deceptions. The first Question...The final Problem Sher Locked? :-)

  • Jan. 16, 2012, 9:44 a.m. CST

    So hot for Sarah-Jane....

    by marineboy

    the best assistant ever :)

  • Jan. 16, 2012, 10:51 a.m. CST

    @ petermck & honorsilk

    by Octavian

    Hi guys. Valid points all. Holmes has been re-imagined for stage and screen from the very outset. I'm not suggesting anything beyond the canon is worthless, as there have been highs and lows. It's fair to say not all of Conan Doyle's Holmes output was from the very top drawer either. The Rathbone movies after Hound were sometimes bizarre amalgams of two or more Conan Doyle tales filtered through WWII propaganda, and Bruce's Watson was often insufferable. Rathbone's patrician Holmes could also grate, yet together they had enough charm to carry the day. It's true Superman has been badly served down the years but it is always recognisable as the Man of Steel. When other writers have sought to explore the outer edges of the Superman mythos they have created analogues. Alan Moore gave us his takes on Supreme and Miracleman, for example, and both are widely considered to be triumphs of the genre. Moffat could have created a unique character of his own and explored aspects of the Holmes universe supplanted into the 21st century. Most fictional detectives owe a debt to Sherlock Holmes so another wouldn't have made much of a difference. I rather wish he had done that rather than use the legend in such a cavalier manner.

  • Jan. 16, 2012, 11:01 a.m. CST


    by DoctorTom

    *If someone had done to Superman what Moffat has done to Holmes there would be questions in the House. * They've done it to Superman, many times. In fact, they're 5 months into another whole reboot and updating of Superman.

  • Jan. 16, 2012, 11:17 a.m. CST

    monkey butter

    by DoctorTom

    I wouldn't get too hung up on the 3 months earlier vs. six weeks later and 2 months later. Yes, it's more than 3 months but it's less than 4. For 3 1/2 months a lot of people would round it and say 3 months ago.

  • Jan. 16, 2012, 11:19 a.m. CST

    sequitur, I had that feeling too (spoilers)

    by DoctorTom

    At the ending, when they showed Sherlock watching Watson, I could picture Matt Smith's speech to Dorium about having become too big and needing to step back into the shadows. I wouldn't be surprised if shortly there's a mashup of the two on Youtube.

  • Jan. 16, 2012, 11:29 a.m. CST

    That was definitely an enjoyable story. (spoilers)

    by DoctorTom

    I will forgive the author for The Curse of the Black Spot, I suspect he might have been more focused on this story (at least, that's what I'm going to pretend happened). This showed a quantum leap in story telling ability. As for the theories about the end, I'm torn between whether he used Moriarty's body or not. Right now I'm leaning toward him using Moriarty's with the mask because of the newspaper headlines. The headlines were *Fake Genius Commits Suicide*, if Moriarty's body was found by the public the headline would have been *Murder/Suicide by Fake Genius Holmes*. Molly helped in several ways: 1) providing the blood bag (assuming Sherlock didn't already have one lying around) 2) identifying the fallen body as a dead Holmes theres also a possibility of 3) If that wasn't Moriarty's body on the roof, then making sure that Moriarty's body is quietly disposed of. It would seem simpler that Moriarty's body was used for this part, though - and I wouldn't put it past Holmes to have figured out what Moriarty was going to do up there and know that he could use Moriarty's body. I don't see her being the one on the bike, I see Sherlock only using her for the forensic parts of his plan. He could have hit up the homeless network or some other contacts to arrange for someone on a bike to nudge Watson.

  • Jan. 16, 2012, 12:20 p.m. CST

    octavian -- it's also why the Brett Holmes is my favorite

    by HornOrSilk

    I like many versions of it, and love the Basil Rathbone Holmes for what it is, and I find this fits in with that kind of Holmes so accept it as that and move on. It's far better than RD Jr's Holmes. But I do like this better than the Rathbone Holmes, even if Rathbone as Holmes is like the Tom Baker of Holmses. Sure, I would do things differently here and there, but that's life. I think they do a good job integrating the original and making it new enough so that even those of us knowing the stories can't predict everything. That is what I like here.

  • Jan. 16, 2012, 1:31 p.m. CST

    The reason why it must be Moriarty and he is dead

    by HornOrSilk

    Doyle has no more Moriarty stories. While the show changes things, the general trajectory is the same. I doubt they will change major facts....

  • Jan. 16, 2012, 1:49 p.m. CST

    Omne ignotum pro magnifico (Octavian)

    by gotilk

    First of all, very nicely written critique. But I have to disagree strongly about something being in the public domain as a bad thing. The darn thing has been extended a few more years every time Mickey Mouse comes up for grabs. That, to me, has always come of as simple cheating, and is a symptom of a much larger corruption problem in the Governments of the world. And when you consider that Disney made its fortunes on the backs of public domain works, it also comes off as .. well.. evil. Also, is it possible the sacred cow of Sherlock Holmes become a little TOO golden? I'm certainly not one of the *cynical generation*. Well, at least not the same one with the attention span of a hummingbird. But I can see how that generation could easily relate better to this Holmes. We've often, throughout history, seen many of our geniuses (fictional or otherwise) through rose colored glasses. While it may not adhere religiously to the Holmes traditions, I think this modern interpretation adds quite a bit of realism to the character that simply wasn't there before, in spite of the possible death threats and hate that could bring to me. I can see how people could argue that adding realism to the character(s) is a bad thing. I'm just not one of those people. And I think that truly is what they've added.... realism. Not hyperactivity, not silliness, realism. There is more than one reason we didn't know about the various types of autism back then, including Asperger or Asperger's disorder. Some people with this disorder present more extreme symptoms and behaviour than others. A believe that if the modernized Holmes were more calm and collected, quiet and observational, the comparison to HOUSE would be instantaneous. Of course, House is already a modernization of Holmes, perhaps even a more faithful one. (gotilk hides and puts on his body armour) Minus the very in-your-face atheism and constant, almost sexually passionate interest in manipulation/prankster behaviour. I have to be honest though. My exposure to Sherlock Holmes, the character in literary form, was early and brief. So perhaps your point of view is more informed than mine. I will agree that Mycroft did always seem to be at least Holmes' intellectual equal. If not his superior. His superiority would explain Sherlock's attempts to augment his intellect. This brings me to the point where I point out some minor quibbles with the modernization that I have. 1. Sherlock's attempts to augment his intellect and focus was modernized in a wonderful and funny way. But since what is available to an informed and intelligent maverick goes far beyond just recreational drugs and nicotine patches, and they do not go far enough for my liking. Drugs such as Vasopressin (posterior pituitary hormone) and Hydergine, as well as Vinpocetine and Piracetam (not piracetamol) have been studied and shown to improve recall, focus and memory retention (respectively). To think Sherlock would ignore these and use nicotine patches only seems like stretch to me. Based on the knowledge surrounding cocaine in the times of the literary Holmes, it was clearly an addiction, although a legal one. That he would try augmenting his brain with the aforementioned very legal drugs is not even remotely a stretch. I find cocaine's substitute bland and far too careful. 2. Mycroft, while portrayed nearly perfectly by Gatiss, comes off as less than Sherlock's equal. 3. I did not like the fact that Sherlock was not instantly aware that a few short lines of code could not EVER bring down any complex system, let alone all of them. I would imagine a modern Sherlock would not only be familiar with computing and networking, but would be an expert EVEN IF he had an aversion to computing and networking technology. But those quibbles aside, I prefer these modern interpretations more than ANY other interpretations I have seen. Modern or otherwise. And as for the Moriarty problem, I have two possible explanations. One (like caractacuspotts' theories or HATs) is that we still have only seen the real Moriarty in shadow and in glimpses. I think it is possible that the only reason the man who claims to be Moriarty seems to be as tied to his mobile as much as a lovestruck teenager is because the real Moriarty is keeping him on a very short leash. Two, it could be that this interpretation of the character is simply bat-guano insane as well as brilliant. And I'm more okay with that than many. And welcome, Octavian! If I have not noticed you before, my apologies. I must have been asleep at the mouse. If you're new, welcome. If not, nice to notice you! :-)

  • Jan. 16, 2012, 1:50 p.m. CST

    EEEP!! Spoilers in above post!! Sorry!!

    by gotilk

    I'm barely awake.

  • Jan. 16, 2012, 2:03 p.m. CST


    by tomdolan04

    Pretty much nails my feelings down too about the character. <p> "We know from Who how Moffat gets out of these tangled plots he lays for himself. He shrugs and says "That'll do." and delivers a couple of lines of weak explanation before starting his next bout of self-congratulation" That's EXACTLY the impressions I've had from both Who finales under him now and "Holmes was a man with a brilliant mind, not a hyperactive fruitcake" may has well go for the Doctor in that as well. <p> What saves them from losing it in these areas are classy performances from Smith and Cumberbatch - Moff's casting choices are A+ in my book if having issues with him elsewhere. <p> Since I'm disappointed that 3 episodes is all we get I'm guessing they've done their job well enough in entertainment stakes ;) <p>

  • Jan. 16, 2012, 2:04 p.m. CST

    On Moriarty's body being on the ground.

    by gotilk

    It's a lovely theory, but unless 2 bodies were thrown off the roof (how? without being seen or noticed?) it is quite impossible. No elevator is that fast. But I could see someone saying that Sherlock waited long enough for someone to take the body off the roof, into the elevator, to the bottom floor, then somehow sneak the body near to the landing spot for the switch to happen behind the truck. Much examination of the scene is warranted for that to work. I think it would be a cheap trick though. I find it much more plausible that Sherlock jumped into the truck and Molly had a body prepared and waiting with the Sherlock mask on. Remember, Watson reached out and checked the body's pulse. Aversion to the bloody aftermath of such a fall would prevent any real examination of the face by bystanders. Also, I so far have not found any really good reason for Moriarty's body to demand being hidden or spirited away. As a matter of fact, the presence of Moriarty's body at the scene of Sherlock's suicide would most likely raise questions about the validity of the story being spread by the media of his false genius. People would be forced to ask themselves why he was there at all. Evidence showing his own suicide, before Sherlock's, would certainly raise eyebrows. Since Moriarty was not wearing gloves when he shoved the gun in his mouth and pulled the trigger, there would be powder AND fingerprint evidence indicating it was indeed a suicide. Can anyone explain to me why Moriarty's body would need to be hidden and his suicide kept secret? I must be missing something huge.

  • Jan. 16, 2012, 2:06 p.m. CST

    MY GOODNESS. (spoilers above)

    by gotilk

    I'm going to stop posting until I've finished my coffee. I am SO SORRY everyone, and Merrick... please delete the above post if you think it could damage anyone's viewing pleasure. You have no idea how sorry I am. I feel like banning myself after that. But know that it was not intentional!!

  • Jan. 16, 2012, 2:08 p.m. CST

    Please, please forgive me for that subject line above.

    by gotilk

    I was not thinking, and was caught up in the moment. I may be over-doing it with the apology, but I am so seriously and completely sorry about it, it's just killing me.

  • Jan. 16, 2012, 2:15 p.m. CST

    doctortom (spoilers)

    by gotilk

    I would agree, but if you notice Moriarty shoots himself without wearing gloves. This presents too much evidence that would preclude anyone from assuming Holmes murdered him. But considering who would be able to manipulate evidence very close to the scene itself(Molly), it makes it even harder for anyone with a motive to do so, to try and frame Holmes for Moriarty's death. But again, I fear I'm missing something major here. I'm still not seeing any reason to hide or remove Moriarty's body. Or disguise it. It would seem to me that Moriarty's very presence would raise questions in opposition to the fake genius story. Why would a hired actor show up voluntarily at the suicide of an accused, unstable and obviously potentially dangerous, desperate man? And then shoot HIMSELF? These would be good questions... and probably will be good questions, in series 3.

  • Jan. 16, 2012, 3:25 p.m. CST

    hornorsilk - Moriarty wouldn't have to be dead

    by DoctorTom

    Although they didn't meet directly, Moriarty had a hand in The Valley of Fear. Of course that could still be cast as something that happened in the past.

  • Jan. 16, 2012, 3:29 p.m. CST

    gotilk - spoilers (oops, spoilers on previous post too, sorry)

    by DoctorTom

    Even if it had not been portrayed as a murder-suicide, finding Richard Brooks' body there as a completely separate suicide would have at the least prompted headlines like *Double Suicide by Fake Geniuses*. There would have been some mention in the headlines.

  • Jan. 16, 2012, 3:45 p.m. CST

    The keycode

    by veteran_of_mu

    The idea that a few lines of code could bring down civilization is not far-fetched. Read for a reason to think that it's possible. As for Sherlock on nootropics, we've already seen what happens when a drug disturbs his thinking - not pretty. Someone who functions at such a level might be very conservative in their drug consumption for fear of side effects.

  • Jan. 16, 2012, 4:12 p.m. CST


    by gotilk

    re: Nootropics: VERY true. But I would assume after some time working with them he'd know what to use, when and how much. Just like his Cocaine use. re: Code: That's a great example. Seems more like a destructive/scorched earth approach rather than an exploit approach used to gain access to rather than just destroy systems. And by the way, even though they seem to be sticking to the original stories on some level... I am increasingly convinced there is a chance we still have not spent any real time with Moriarty. I think you have me convinced after going back and watching all 3 of the current episodes. I can take the leap. I might land on my face of course, but what the heck.

  • Jan. 16, 2012, 4:13 p.m. CST


    by gotilk

    Yes, absolutely. It would have been major news.

  • Jan. 16, 2012, 4:52 p.m. CST

    Ken Thompson Hack

    by veteran_of_mu

    Can be used for anything, not just destruction. Ken gave that speech while being presented with a congressional medal for his part in inventing unix. Possibly the only way he could have revealed it without getting 4 assassins as next door neighbors …

  • Jan. 16, 2012, 4:55 p.m. CST


    by gotilk

    That was a fascinating read as well, thanks! I think it's something I'll have to go over again a few times to really absorb. Brilliant!

  • Jan. 16, 2012, 5:49 p.m. CST

    doctortom true but as you say

    by HornOrSilk

    In Doyle, it happened before the Final Problem.

  • Jan. 16, 2012, 7:06 p.m. CST

    GREAT episode! (SPOILERS ahead!) - even for gotilk? ;-)

    by wtriker1701

    DON'T READ ANY FURTHER, IF YOU DO NOT WANT TO MY THOUGHTS ABOUT THE FINAL SEQUENCE!!! FINAL WARNING!!! So, what I strongly believe is, that Henry Fishcott finally DID commit suicide after all! That's what I believe happened on the roof. Moriarty dragged away with help of friends, Henry Fishcott readily prepared with Sherlock's coat and scarf and pants... Watson drugged, so he couldn't really make the difference for wax / real hand without a pulse... And poor Henry had to wear Sherlock's mask... I am totally in love with the series! Well done, every aspect, every little Doyle story hidden beneath. But no one can say, those new interpretations of old stories get boring. They simply don't! Wonderful, Steven Moffat, I applaud you once again!

  • Jan. 16, 2012, 7:12 p.m. CST

    The Girl in the Fireplace Returning?

    by Perigee Another day, another Doctor Who rumour from the Daily Star. This time they are reporting that The Girl in the Fireplace herself, Sophia Myles, is being lined up for next companion. This seems to be based on a solitary tweet from Steven Moffat. Earlier in the week, Moffat encouraged everyone to follow the actress saying: “Right EVERY­BODY who follows me, go and follow @SophiaMyles – spin that fireplace. NOW.” Adding: “I’ll explain later. Or not.” It’s hardly conclusive. But then Myles began dropping possible hints of her own responding: “Watch this (fire)place,” she said. “The plot thickens…” ...more at site...

  • Jan. 16, 2012, 7:13 p.m. CST

    Oh, even easier... (SPOILERS, my friends, who haven't seen, yet)

    by wtriker1701

    Henry even didn't have to jump, he could have been thrown on the pavement by the same people who gathered around his *body* - hence only one jumper from the roof (Sherlock), landing in the bag truck, one body maybe still lying on the roof top (or fastly dragged away, again with the hepl of friends, Molly's), and one body, prepared with mask and blood lying on the pavement... that would be poor lad Henry...

  • Jan. 16, 2012, 7:16 p.m. CST

    perigree - I'd LOVE to see Madame Du Pompadour again!

    by wtriker1701

    But wouldn't it take away some of our grief for her? TGITF remains my favourite Who story. Yes. there are close seconds for me... but this is definitely my fav.

  • But everybody's guessing until Moff decides to pull back the curtain, I guess. The one thing I Do like about this is how Moffat is giving us little bones to pull us through the withdraw and the void. Smart stuff and very fan- conscious. This is what comes from having a REAL DW fan as showrunner - he gets the hunger, and keeps us in mind.

  • Jan. 16, 2012, 11:12 p.m. CST

    The Reichenbach Fall

    by Clio

    This episode was simply brilliant. Far better than either of the Downey, Jr. movies (I liked the first one of those much better than the recent one). If you have any Sherlockian leanings at all, check out this BBC series. *Holmes and Watson still live, for those that love them well, in a romantic chamber of the heart, in a nostalgic country of the mind, where it is always 1895*

  • Jan. 17, 2012, 12:41 a.m. CST

    Wanna know why my favorite Doctor is Rowan Atkinson?

    by gotilk

    I'll explain later. Heheh. Gotta love Moffat's tweets, especially that *I'll explain later* bit. Very funny stuff. On another subject, I've been constantly shocked these last few weeks. Almost everyone I've mentioned Sherlock to has said something along the lines of *Oh yeah, I want to see that before its too late. Robert Downey Jr is great!* *sigh* Hopefully this time around PBS will do something... anything... to let some of the public know that this series is airing on their network. And then actually, perhaps, repeat it a few times?

  • Meat.Klaxon.Vienna. I think I have it figured out. The episode will feature an alarmed vienna sausage.

  • Jan. 17, 2012, 1:46 a.m. CST

    Two Spiders

    by veteran_of_mu

    Simple wins. Yes, Sherlock might have been 10 steps ahead of rich brook. But I don't think that's very much of a final problem, do you? Sherlock had a chance to prepare. So did Moriarty. The problem isn't about what happened. It's about what they knew. No Tessectas allowed. That would cheat the fans. Sherlock knew he was being trapped. He knew Moriarty likes to induce suicide. To wrap up his victims until they suffocate in their own fear. So Sherlock called Moriarty a spider. So he pretended to be a fly. To be ordinary. Going up on the roof constrains the spider's choices. Rich brook had to make Sherlock fall for the sake of the game. He wouldn't drown or poison Sherlock up there. So Sherlock knew to prepare for a fall. To take a dive. He also learned the lesson of sir boastalot. To protect his friends from another game - knowing that rich brook was a hound taking calls from some real spider in the shadows. He had to really convince his friends he was dead. John most of all. So that Moriarty, feeling safe again in shadows, returned to the status of myth, would send out vibrations into the web. Sherlock's web.

  • Jan. 17, 2012, 3:23 a.m. CST

    caractacuspotts. I had to log in to say...

    by gotilk

    Bravo, sir. Bravo!

  • Jan. 17, 2012, 4:58 a.m. CST

    Finished Ready Player One. (very mild spoilage)

    by gotilk

    That was one of the most fun reads I've ever had in my life. One of the best, most personal moments for me was the mention of GORF, the first game I turned over (and then turned over again). I cannot recommend it highly enough. What a great universe Mr Cline has created. I hope he returns to it again, SOON! It will be a blast to see this story told visually, on a gigantic screen, in 3D. Talk about immersion! Wow. Perfect story for 3D presentation. If done right, it will be magnificent! Casting choices: Parzival/Wade: Iain De Caestecker (The Fades) Part of the reason for this choice could be that I was finally seeing the rest of series one of The Fades while I was starting this book. The other part of the reason is that the kid can act, and I think he could pull off both the nervousness and discomfort in his own skin as well as the confidence he needs later. I think he could play the unlikely hero as well as he plays a reluctant one. Ogden: They MUST find a way to cast Woz (Steve Wozniak) Mostly because the character seems like Woz's personality but with Steve Jobs' particular talents. I can only imagine how much The Woz would geek out on being considered for the part. And think of how much fun that set will be with Woz pranking everyone. Aech - Cannot say, mostly because saying who I would cast would be a major, MAJOR spoiler. But if you want to know what I think, let me know and I'll post it under a *massive spoilers* tag. Art3mis - Mae Whitman (Scott Pilgrim vs The World, Parenthood) She fits the description physically and I think she can pull off the character as well. Daito: Steven Yeun (The Walking Dead) Shoto: James Kyson-Lee (Heroes) Sorrento - James Patrick Stuart (Supernatural) He isn't well known, but every time I was reading Serrento in a scene I was seeing this guys smug face on Supernatural. He plays it well. Too confident, too cocky, too EVIL! Halliday - Alan Ruck (Star Trek:Generations / Fringe /Justified) Added bonus: 80's icon. He was Cameron in Ferris Beuller's Day Off! The perfect aging nerdgeek but with a spot of that old James Stewart universal likeability. Almost ALL of these casting choices are based on not just talent and a perfect fit for the role, but also their relative lack of star power. The licensing for the film will be outrageous alone. Add a superstar salary to that and you have limitations in other areas. That would be bad for a film of this scale. But then again, I cannot imagine a huge budget without a lead actor that's *hot* at that moment. It could be done, but I suspect we'll have at least one major star or it will not get made. Not the right way. Now that I've finished the book, I am even MORE fearful that they would have to leave out huge chunks or alter parts of it to fit a budget. Some of it, I'm sure, will be a licensing nightmare, encompassing huge swaths (or tracts, if you will) of nerd/geek/otaku culture. Stuff we ALL know, many of us by heart. If you have not already, read Ready Player One. You will not regret it. Or if you prefer to listen (as I will now after reading it), *Wil Wheaton reads the unabridged novel on Audible. Have a great morning, DocBackers! *It'll be a crime if Wheaton doesn't at least get a cameo. WHEAAAATONNN!!

  • Jan. 17, 2012, 4:59 a.m. CST


    by gotilk

    Big chunks of text are missing above. WTH? Oh well... later.

  • Jan. 17, 2012, 6:45 a.m. CST

    Caractacus Potts' Questions on Sherlock S2E3

    by veteran_of_mu

    First I'm wrong about the Professor being obviously present in the Turner scene. A gentleman of his approximate build, but not the same man as the incredible ghoul at the end of S2E2. 1) A fuss is made about Moriarty going through the metal detector, and then about the guards running through setting it off. Why? 2) One of the newspapers that flashes up reads, ~In a twist worthy of a Conan Doyle novella, Mr Sherlock Holmes was yesterday revealed to be an expert witness at the trial of Jim Moriarty~. So ... who is the hero or Conan Doyle novellas in the universe of Sherlock? 3) Moriarty says before he starts drumming ~That's the problem, the final problem, have you worked out what it is yet? I did tell you, but did you listen?~ Well ... okay, I don't know what he means. Do you? Something from their first meeting, perhaps? UMQRA? 4) ~It's going to start soon. The fall. Falling's just like flying but with a more final destination~ ~I never liked riddles~ ~Learn to~. What's the riddle? Is it the drumming? If so, Moriarty's using all the fingers of his hand as if he were typing. Or as if he were using a chordic keyboard. Doesn't look very binary ... ? 5) I O U - doesn't seem to have the conventional meaning. So? 6) At least 3 of the stories in the fake papers are by ~Janette Owen, Crime Correspondent~. In our world Ms Owen is the Guardian's media and technology correspondent ( - significance? 7) Mycroft asserts that Richard Brooke was a school friend of Sherlock's. Why? 8) Mycroft: ~He's sworn to destroy his only rival.~ ... um, Mycroft doesn't qualify as a rival for Moriarty? Since when is Mycroft the stupid brother? 9) The scene between Watson and Mycroft appears to reveal no significant information. I always enjoy a trip to the Diogenes club and love Gatiss's Mycroft to bits ... but what is this scene for? 10) Molly went out with Jim Moriarty 3 times. The 3 Moriarty Brothers? 11) ~The hungrier they got the more they ate the faster they died. Neat.~ Um, is it? What's neat about it? 12) How could Sherlock - this Sherlock - of all the people in the entire world - possibly fail to notice who his Cabby was? 13) When Sherlock pretends to take John hostage, they walk past an enormous graffito reading ~IOU~ over the road from 221B, draped in either long hair or giant spiders' legs. What the heck? 14) ~There's only one thing he needs to do to complete his game and that's to - Something I need to do - on my own.~ Does Sherlock have it worked out here? 15) No way Sherlock can be fooled by a squib. Therefore Rich Brook - Reichenbach the hound - the funny German name that consuded Mrs Hudson - really is dead. So, who is it that falls off the building wearing a Sherlock mask? 16) Sherlock has to land in the truck,. No way to get Reichenbach's body down in time, nor any way for Sherlock to anticipate the suicide. So how does the body in the street get there, and how did they get ahold of such a good Sherlock mask?

  • Jan. 17, 2012, 8:12 a.m. CST

    caractacuspotts - read my post above Question 15 (SPOILERS)

    by wtriker1701

    It's the REAL Sherlock jumping. Henry Fishcott, the poor, is already on the ground! Case solved!

  • Jan. 17, 2012, 8:12 a.m. CST

    caractacuspotts -it also answers question 16!

    by wtriker1701

  • Just sayin'!

  • Jan. 17, 2012, 8:28 a.m. CST


    by Peter

    Interesting list, but I think we're in danger of reading too much into many of the little discrepancies. However point 15: 15) No way Sherlock can be fooled by a squib. Therefore Rich Brook - Reichenbach the hound - the funny German name that consuded Mrs Hudson - really is dead. So, who is it that falls off the building wearing a Sherlock mask? I'll bet anyone on this forum a fiver that Moriarty isn't dead - just like I doubt we've seen the last or Irene Adler. There's plenty of deviation from the source material, so it's simply not required that the master villain be deceased. There's no 'canon' here. Also, does it matter that Sherlock wouldn't fall for a faked suicide by squib? Not really. Even if he saw right through it, what matters is that he plays the game to save his friends... and jumps off the building. Sherlock was compelled to act as if Moriarty was really dead, whether he believed it or not. And as we saw him alive and jumping, he really did do it and really did, therefore, land in the conveniently placed impossible garbage truck. Who was the body? Sherlock, I guess, unless he carries around a complete duplicate of his clothes. Nothing else is plausible!

  • Jan. 17, 2012, 8:58 a.m. CST

    petermck - You know Henry? (SPOILERS)

    by wtriker1701

    Henry Fishcott, who was hanging on Sherlock's ceiling in the beginning of this episode? He's the body on the pavement - with the Sherlock mask! Brooke still on the roof, Sherlock in the Garbage Truck! Watson drugged enough not able to tell the difference... Haven't you read my theory some posts above?

  • Jan. 17, 2012, 10:47 a.m. CST

    Another Brilliant Season (Spoilers Discussed)

    by 1TrueGod

    And with Just 3 episodes per, I feel as though I just ate a 7 course meal, finished my cognac and although I'm full, I could really go for dessert. Initial Thoughts... I need to re-watch the the series (S1&2)... Moriarty is gone ... I think we can call agree - actually I think someone mentioned this in an above post - "the greatest trick the devil played was to convince the world he didn't exist." In the same fashion, I offer "For God so loved the world, that He gave His only begotten Son..." What happened to Moriarty's body? Will there be another Big Bad to rival Holmes? - me thinks not... Is there only one season left, without Moriarty? If Mycroft is so powerful, why couldn't he deal with the Richard Brooke paper trail? Many have probably been discussed above... Hats off to Mark Gatiss, Steven Moffat, Beryl & Sue Vertue and the rest. Superb television in a sea of mediocrity.

  • Jan. 17, 2012, 11:28 a.m. CST


    by Peter

    I must have missed that! (I didn't join the episode until a few minutes in and was having a bit of a 'domestic' at the same time with the old girl, who wanted to watch something else...) Will have to catch up on iPlayer. According to the Daily Mail (spit): Show co-creator Steven Moffat said there was a good explanation for Sherlock's survival - and all the clues were in the episode. He said: 'It's all set up. We just want people to be in a frenzy of speculation.' But he added that he would not be revealing any more clues, and added: 'We're going to be complete b******* about it.' Read more:

  • Jan. 17, 2012, 11:30 a.m. CST

    Gotilk - Ready Player One

    by DoctorTom

    I am curious who you'd cast for Aech. My first thought was Wil Wheaton, but that might be just lazy tabloid newspaper type thinking, the type that always throws out Bill Nighy, Richard Grant and the like when it's time to guess who the new Doctor is going to be. Come to think of it, I'm sure there should be a part in the movie for Robert Sheehan (Misfits).

  • Jan. 17, 2012, 11:49 a.m. CST

    Caractuspotts - dealing with some of your points

    by DoctorTom

    1) Not sure yet about the metal detector. It might have just been a drama thing, when it went off I half expected him to pull a gun out (or show a bunch of guns, like the scene in the Matrix) 2) *So ... who is the hero or Conan Doyle novellas in the universe of Sherlock?* This is all speculation of course, but it might be that Conan Doyle wrote a lot of the stories but didn't bother to mention the name of the detective or gave a different name to him. There's already one story that Doyle wrote called The Last Special that has a Sherlock type (called an *amateur reasoner*) and possibly a Moriarty type, but neither are mentioned by name. He might have done those stories in a similar vein. Or, it could have been Sherrinford as a first name - supposedly he had originally thought of using Sherrinford Holmes as the name. Since he used Dr. Bell as an inspiration for the character, it might have been Sherrinford Bell. Or Sherrinford Vernet, or Sherrinford Sigerson. 3) Final problem might be referring to killing Sherlock, which goes all the way back to A Study in Pink and also ties in with Moriarty in the Great Game deciding he couldn't leave Holmes alive. The final problem is how best to take care of Holmes in a manner that gives Moriarty the most satisfaction. 7, 8) Rule Number 1: Mycroft lies. See also previous theories that Mycroft might be manipulating things even more than he let on. 9) It was to let Watson know that Mycroft might have messed up and caused the most recent problem with Moriarty (of course, assuming that he isn't the cause of ALL the Moriarty problems).

  • Jan. 17, 2012, 12:05 p.m. CST

    petermck re:- the rubbish truck

    by notspock2

    -that type are actually quite common in london. In islington, they use them to empty the bags from the litter bins on the street/the rubbish from businesses early in the morning... the cage tops are open too - the council workmen throw the bags up and in to them...

  • Jan. 17, 2012, 12:09 p.m. CST

    Lord help me, it feels like my brain cells are being hoovered out

    by DoctorTom

    I looked at the other thread announcing Season 3 of Sherlock (long after there was a note here about it). You know it's going to be rocky going in the thread when you have Herc cite Hot Fuzz at the media piece of choice for where people might recognize Martin Freeman, and that the actors should have plenty of free time to be able to shoot season 3 (no matter what the production team has going on, or that the actors are actually in New Zealand doing the filming). After that, the thread wasn't going to stand a chance. Man of Vertue, I hope you're sticking with this thread, at least there's a bit of sanity here. I put up a post trying to support you over there, but the sound of brain cells dying over there might be drowning you out. (That's a general comment on brain cells dying, not directed at any person in specific.)

  • Jan. 17, 2012, 12:48 p.m. CST

    The Final Problem

    by HornOrSilk

    It's "Staying Alive." That is, the problem of life, of a boring life with nothing to do.

  • Jan. 17, 2012, 1:48 p.m. CST

    4 More Questions (making a round 20) + replies

    by veteran_of_mu

    First ~consuded~ - man I was sleepy when I wrote that! I think I was trying to write ~confused~. Then again I think consuded could be a word. Maybe spelt consuaded. Meaning to have accepted the opinion of the group in which you take part. Usually used in the phrase, ~they were consuaded that ...~. Moving on ... 17) Why did Sherlock drop his phone off on the roof before jumping? 18) Who was calling Rich Brook before Sherlock turned up? And since I think I know that - why? 19) Why is Watson knocked down? And at the end, does Watson figure it out? 20) Was there in fact a keycode? UMQRA? @wtriker, I like your Fishcott theory for 15 and 16. A Sherlock mask can be obtained or constructed. The fore-shadowing makes it clear enough. But I also like petermck's thought that the body is merely Sherlock himself. It is a simple matter to stop your pulse - an old Indian fakir trick that was popular in Doyle's day. You hike up a fold of cloth under your armpit and press hard. That should have been enough to fool Watson under the circumstances. Though you'd still want Fishcott for the morgue. @petermck, Watch the end of S2E2. That fellow with the grey hair, rounded back, long hooked fingers, whose glance lifts all the Sherlocks off the walls ... that's the real Professor Moriarty. Rich Brook was merely a hound following commands received on his ~staying alive~ phone. He's dead all right. Though his identical twin might not be ... @doctortom, Agreed Mycroft is much more active than he ever appears. But I wouldn't say he lies so much as I'd say he manipulates. My questions 7-9 are about what he's trying to achieve in manipulating Watson at the Diogenes. Which is? @hornorsilk, I think you have stated the Final Problem neatly. Well done.

  • Jan. 17, 2012, 2:34 p.m. CST

    doctortom - Herc's thread

    by Mister Vertue

    Thanks for the support, much appreciated! I just made a quick comment and wouldn't waste my time trying to make a point on *any* of Herc's threads. When I think of Herc, I think of quantity. When I think of Merrick, I think of quality. I think that says it all really!

  • Interesting to read everyone's thoughts, but.

  • Jan. 17, 2012, 3:28 p.m. CST


    by Peter

    I stand corrected about the rubbish trucks. Maybe open-top types are more common than I thought. That said, it's a closed set and it's not there by accident. One thing we can all agree on (some hope!) is that Sherlock jumps, lands in the truck and.... well the rest is up for debate and we wouldn't have it any other way.

  • Jan. 17, 2012, 5:12 p.m. CST

    doctortom (HUGE Ready Player One spoilage)

    by gotilk

    Yes, Sheehan would have the spunk to play Aech, but remember you need two actors to play that character(moreso than the others). Actually, since both Daito and Shoto supposedly don't look like their avatars either, they should cast different people for the people and the avatars. They could get away with altering the appearances of the other actors, but not with Aech. For obvious reasons. I just read that Wheaton called *dibs* on playing Halliday. hahaha! Seems a bit young. But he could pull it off. I just imagined someone older, wiser, made to look younger when needed rather than the other way around.

  • remember the girl that screamed at seeing Sherlock? The girl who had never seen him before? Shouldn't be too hard to locate THAT Sherlock mask. Not if you're Sherlock, anyway.

  • Jan. 17, 2012, 5:31 p.m. CST

    gotilk - RP1

    by DoctorTom

    That's amusing about Wheaton calling dibs on Halliday. I'd agree that he's a bit young. I could actually see him (or Sheehan) playing Sorrento. I just had a thought on who to get for Ogden Morrow, though, someone who even has Doctor Who connections... get Morgan Shepard to play Halliday. That also has me thinking that there should be a part for Mark Shepard in this.

  • Jan. 17, 2012, 5:32 p.m. CST

    gotilk - Sherlock mask

    by DoctorTom

    It's probably harder than you think to locate the Sherlock mask used to scare the girl - I'd guess Moriarty would make sure it wasn't found where they found the girl.

  • Jan. 17, 2012, 5:34 p.m. CST

    I think, I stick with... (SPOILERS)

    by wtriker1701

    1) Sherlock jumping from the rooftop, landing in the rubbish truck. 2) Rick Brook (seeminlgy Moriarty) still lying on top of the roof (and later be disposed of) 3) Poor dummy Henry Fishcott (you know, the poor ruber/wax lad from Sherlock's appartment's ceiling at the beginning of the episode) being brought this bunch of people to the pavement (with typical Sherlock clothes on), not jumping at all, simply dropped off there. To make the point here: Even if Watson saw Sherlock from a distance, slightly blinded by sunlight... he, though, would have recognized TWO bodies falling from the roof - hence Sherlock could have been the only one jumping. Even the sniper for Watson could have made out the difference. The rubbish truck AND the bunch of nurses/helpers staged the whole scene *downstairs* and obscured, what had already been staged. There simply CAN be no other explanation, my friends. We saw a body falling on the pavement - that COULDN'T have been Sherlock - simply not possible! And it COULDN'T have been Brook/Moriarty - because Sherlock couldn't have lifted him up, throw him from the roof and jumping afterwards - that would (besides from being very heavy/tricky) simply have caught attention - two bodies jumping/falling. Of course, I'll stand corrected with ease, if season 3'll tell us otherwise. Until then, I see my whacky theory as The Undeniable Truth! Or, what I believe it is... Have fun! It's an intriguing discussion - AND I LOVE THIS LOCKBACK/DOCBACK! And all of you, of course!

  • Jan. 17, 2012, 5:43 p.m. CST

    Gotlik, *spoilers*

    by notspock2

    I don't see why he'd need a mask- (though I can see evidence that Moriarty might have used one) Sherlock jumps from the roof to the rubbish truck. Then covers himself in blood, then jumps to the floor. Watson's view of the fall is obscured by the building obscuring the view of the landing site from the taxi drop off point. And extra time to make the switch is allowed because of the bmx rider crashing into Watson... Sherlocks "keep looking up" is misdirection of Watson's attention. While he's looking up, all sorts of shenanigans are going on below... The body is Sherlock, there's no double and no need for a mask. Molly does the autopsy, and presto, Sherlock is "dead". It's probably simpler for him to play dead than is to create a corpse that looks exactly like him... I haven't had this much fun figuring something out since Derren Brown "guessed" the lottery numbers...

  • Jan. 17, 2012, 5:45 p.m. CST

    Oh, and One More Thing... (SPOILERS)

    by wtriker1701

    The MASK! I think, he got the idea from the screaming kid. But it doesn't have to be the actual mask Moriarty used. That's where Molly comes into play: *Make a Sherlock mask, that fits on poor Henry, make those hands as believably human as possible and get lots of blood.* Sorry, that I didn't include that in my posts above...

  • Jan. 17, 2012, 8:18 p.m. CST

    Mask not necessary for the fall - but maybe.

    by veteran_of_mu

    Stuntmen leap from buildings onto airbags. The highest one of these was ( 220 ft. St Bart's hospital is 70 ft high ( so in principle it's possible to do this without a mask. Whether a truck full of airbags would be enough of a cushion comes down to physics and aim - both of which I think we can trust Sherlock to deal with correctly. Where Henry comes in is the body in the morgue. Someone's going to come look at it. Most likely one of the Professor's men. So it's got to look like Sherlock. So it needs a mask. But making a mask, if you happen to be Sherlock and Molly, is trivially easy to do. No need to find the one that was used on the little girl. Now ... what do you make of all the stuff with Rich Brook about ~I am you~? Sherlock's attempt to deprogram him? Or a message passed through to his master?

  • Jan. 17, 2012, 8:24 p.m. CST

    And ...

    by veteran_of_mu

    Mycroft can kill John's ATM card just to send him a message. For Sherlock to function in modern society without leaving a trace is very bloody difficult. CCTV cameras, bank accounts, medical treatments ... how long could you keep that up as a Blank? With Mycroft's collusion, however, it would be easy. So I think we have to assume Mike's in on it. Heh. Can you imagine how much Mycroft would hate being called Mike?

  • Jan. 17, 2012, 10:24 p.m. CST


    by Jack Parsons

    I think Moffat threw all the clues out to misdirect us; the answer is something else entirely, I'd think. -Sherlock definitely jumped -Where did the Moriarty body go? -Was it Moriarty's body? Sherlock wouldn't be fooled by a squib - perhaps Sherlock pretended to be convinced, and Moriarty got up after Sherlock jumped? Moriarty certainly wouldn't permit Sherlock to toss him to the ground -Who was the actor who performed in children's TV that looked like Moriarty? The reporter would not be so lax as to not check the story that far. Did Moriarty feed her doctored records, or 1) Moriarty started out as a children's TV host, or 2) Moriarty had surgery to look like said host, or 3) Moriarty had said host altered to look more like Moriarty, take your pick. Hapless natural twin brother?

  • Jan. 17, 2012, 11:18 p.m. CST

    New Whotininnies this week?

    by Ken Plume

    What do you all think? Should Glen and I record a new one?

  • Jan. 18, 2012, 12:04 a.m. CST

    Ooh! Inside line!

    by veteran_of_mu

    It so happens that one of my co-workers spent 5 years in the same drama class as a prominent member of the cast or crew of a certain show that will remain nameless. No idea if I'll actually be able to get any signal this way ... but it'll be fun to try ... Then maybe I could change my user name to man_of_ahem_hrumph_cough.

  • Jan. 18, 2012, 12:22 a.m. CST

    Thank you KenPlume, now I don't have to for the third time.

    by gotilk

    LOL. But yes, seriously yes.

  • Jan. 18, 2012, 12:24 a.m. CST


    by gotilk

    I know! I've been having a blast re-watching and looking for everything from the final scenes to earlier scenes.. checking for everything from second glances to details in the background. It's been a blast.

  • Jan. 18, 2012, 12:25 a.m. CST

    doctortom Morgan Shepard

    by gotilk

    That would be a great choice. Then get Mark to play his younger self. Hmmm..

  • Jan. 18, 2012, 12:26 a.m. CST


    by gotilk

    Molly did have 3 dates with *Jim*... so maybe getting that mask wouldn't be as hard as one would imagine.

  • Jan. 18, 2012, 12:28 a.m. CST

    Opinions? (off topic)

    by gotilk

    I've already started to read Snow Crash. I've waited far too long for that book. But now I have Cloud Atlas sitting in front of me. Anyone read both? I am considering reading both at the same time, but I have found that can dilute the experience. Cloud Atlas almost seems more like a puzzle than a book.

  • Jan. 18, 2012, 12:29 a.m. CST


    by gotilk

    Yes!! Couldn't resist so I posted it anyway.

  • Goddamnsonovabitch cawksukkinarserammingfarkinguseless second-ratebullshait farkfarkfarkFarkFARK!!!!!11!

  • Jan. 18, 2012, 1:30 a.m. CST

    UNGH! A US modernization of Holmes?

    by gotilk

    I'd heard this before, but now it has a green light? I thought it was scrapped. This is a bad idea. Or.. rather... an existing idea. Besides, we already have a modern Holmes on TV here. It's called HOUSE. Enough!! Jeeze.

  • Jan. 18, 2012, 1:58 a.m. CST

    Here's what's wrong with it

    by veteran_of_mu

    America can't keep it's culture in its pants. It's not a bad culture, but when you're constantly waving it in people's faces it tends to make America seem like a dick. What? Well so what if I made a simile about my metaphor? Same to you buddy! Anyway American Sherlock was already done right 40 years ago. It was called Banacek. And it was pretty good. No reason to do it again.

  • Jan. 18, 2012, 2:46 a.m. CST

    A US Holmes? Well here's an idea...

    by Peter

    As a Brit with great affection for the source stories, I say the more the merrier. Rathbone's much-loved films were American. I happen to think that American TV is the best in the world right now. In all honesty, 'The Mentalist' is pretty much a modern Holmes already - asexual, flawed anti-hero, sinister arch-enemy, police in awe etc. Good luck to them. And why we're at it, why not go a little further? I propose: 'Sherlock Holmes in the Hood' (HBO) A black guy, nick-named 'Sherlock' in school due to his freaky autistic observational skills, solves crimes in a South-Central LA, aided by ass-kicking assistant DeShawn Watson. Together, they clean up the streets and take out the trash, making enemies of the local gang leader and the cynical politicos up at City Hall. 'Extraterrestrial Sherlock' (SyFy) An alien criminal mastermind, "Mhor-Ay-Ar-Tee" is hiding on Earth, a fugitive from Galactic justice. The Galactic Court despatch their most cunning investigator to catch him. Aided by his unwitting human assistant, Jane Watson, Shre'lok must use his superior alien intellect to integrate into human society, posing as a PI in New York (well, Toronto doubling as New York) - a role which gets him close enough to the Police that he can investigate his nemesis as well as solve crimes. 'Sherlock: the Next Generation' (CBS) The great, great grandchildren of Holmes and Watson meet, unaware at first of who the other is. And now, the maverick fish-out-of-water Sherlock, named after his famous relative, will lead family-man Jon Watson down the rabbit hole of corruption in modern day Chicago, taking on organized crime boss James Moretti. But for all his ferocious intellect, Holmes can never have the one thing Watson has: cute kids and a hot wife.

  • Jan. 18, 2012, 2:55 a.m. CST


    by gotilk

    I forgot about Banacek! You're right, the similarities were there for sure.There's a classic series I'd like to see again. I think the last time I watched those were in the 80s when they were re-running all of those ABC Mystery Movie shows. There was one about a missing prototype car I remember liking. Wish I could wiki it, but wikipedia is blacked out today for good reason.

  • Jan. 18, 2012, 3:04 a.m. CST


    by gotilk

    That was hilarious! In the 80s Sherlock Holmes In The Hood would have been called *Yo, Holmes!*. How about Holmes in the old west? They could make Watson a native American. Or in San Francisco in the late 1800s? Or maybe a mash-up! Sherlock fighting young, hot vampires or zombies in a post-apocalyptic future? You know there will come a day when mash-ups like that will actually happen. They already did it with Jane Austin and zombies, Abraham Lincoln and zombies... *sigh*

  • Jan. 18, 2012, 3:15 a.m. CST

    Thanks Gotlik.

    by Peter

    DC already did the mash-up thing, with 'Victorian Undead: Sherlock Holmes Vs Zombies'. It's all good clean fun.

  • Jan. 18, 2012, 3:49 a.m. CST

    American Sherlock is House

    by HornOrSilk

    But people forgot that..

  • Jan. 18, 2012, 3:52 a.m. CST

    Actually, the Holmes mash-up...

    by Peter

    ...of my fevered, pulpy dreams probably would be Holmes and Watson fighting supernatural forces in a Victorian, fog-bound London. Do it as as TV series with an engaging, mysterious arc, lots of foreshadowing and a sassy Irene Adler. I honestly can't think of anything I'd like to see more!

  • Jan. 18, 2012, 3:52 a.m. CST


    by HornOrSilk

    Well, Mycroft was in on it in the books, if I remember correctly. So yes, he will help. But I also think Holmes will be in places free from the Western media. This Holmes has not been good at disguises, but maybe he will learn. And remember, in the books, Holmes became an author.... don't be surprised if Holmes' new identity is one which is semi-public, to be hiding out in the open.

  • Jan. 18, 2012, 3:53 a.m. CST

    'Elementary' on CBS can happen - let it happen.

    by wtriker1701

    That doesn't ruin our experience with Sherlock in the slightest, does it? Well, it's just another sign, that Hollywood (even on telly) has run out of gas/ideas. but that doesn't mean that Elementary shouldn't be done. Let them do it, let's have a look at it. I only fear that they run dry fast, because CBS will make a 20 episodes season (at least 13 in the begininng) and ideas, that sound great for the start might fade fast during the season. There's not so many Doyle stories they can revisit; other procedurals (like CSI) have run for 12 seasons now, but part of their success is the non-connection to Holmes and Watson (or take House, for instance). There are fresh characters that have evolved. How will you do that wth Sherlock Holmes and John Watson? Will there be the *arc of the season*? Will Moriarty always be The Mastermind behind the curtains? What could happen - be the arc - in season 2? 3 stories per year, filmed like movies, are perfect for me / for us. And we will eagerly await series 3 of *Sherlock*.

  • Jan. 18, 2012, 7:36 a.m. CST

    petermck have you read Shadows Over Bakerstreet?

    by HornOrSilk

    If not, you should.

  • Jan. 18, 2012, 7:38 a.m. CST

    @horn ... like maybe ...

    by veteran_of_mu

    A certain famous writer of novellas featured in the newspaper in my Question 2 above. What better cover and paycheck for Sherlock Holmes than as a mystery novellist called Conan Doyle?

  • Jan. 18, 2012, 8:33 a.m. CST

    Shadows over Baker Street

    by Peter

    Sounds like it was written just for me - both a Holmes and Lovecraft nut. Bought. And winging its way digitally to my Kindle, now. Thanks for the tip, Hornorsilk.

  • Jan. 18, 2012, 9:21 a.m. CST

    7 Questions about Sherlock S1E1

    by veteran_of_mu

    1) Messages - Sent: ~If brother has green ladder arrest brother. SH~ presumably sent to Lestraad. Does this play into any known Conan Doyle? 2) Who was it who decided to lift the theme music of The Persuaders for this? ( 3) ~Look at him dashing about. My husband was just the same.~ .... Sherlock said Mrs Hudson's husband was a killer and she was grateful to see him executed. So ... why does she sound fond of him? 4) Why doesn't Sherlock wear the paper suit? Why is he allowed not to wear the paper suit? 5) Why would Mrs Hudson take Sherlock's skull? 6) ~Who would notice me?~ ~It's immodest Mr Holmes.~ ~I'm really not~ - well, yes he is, but that's not what the Cabbie said. He said *IT*'s immodest. What is IT? 7) Sherlock reads the cabbie just fine. But how does his reading make the game ~Child's Play~?

  • "The Mentalist" (mentioned in an earlier post) and "Psych", both are the same and different at the same time. I wouldn't mind seeing another one, I like the concept, one person being able to see something noone else can.

  • Jan. 18, 2012, 11:49 a.m. CST

    caractacuspotts Maybe but...

    by HornOrSilk

    It would change the sequence of events for Sherlock. Plus, in the original, he wasn't a fiction writer. Nonetheless, it is one way to do it. I myself expect Sherlock to be writing a book on physics...

  • Jan. 18, 2012, 11:50 a.m. CST

    petermck yes, I like both too and so I bought it when it came out

    by HornOrSilk

    Some stories are better than others, but it is a good collection (I thought).

  • Jan. 18, 2012, 2:12 p.m. CST


    by gotilk

    I'd never heard of that mashup, will check it out. Thanks.

  • Jan. 18, 2012, 2:23 p.m. CST

    caractacuspotts Q. #2

    by gotilk

    First of all, what a wonderful theme song!! John Barry! Almost always great. I still need badly to see that Terry Nation series featuring Tony Curtis, an actor I've always loved and considered a favorite. (Roger Moore is great too, as long as he isn't playing Bond... in my humble opinion) Secondly, the similarities there are pretty striking. Is that a harpsichord or something else? Whenever I hear that instrument, no matter the notes, I immediately think of Holmes. I'd like to know what that association is so automatic in my mind. And no, it was long before the first R.D.Jr. film, which also uses a theme with the same instrument. Anyone else also make the automatic association in their minds with that instrument?

  • Jan. 18, 2012, 2:25 p.m. CST


    by DoctorTom

    Yes, Ken, I'd definitely be interested in you recording a new one

  • Once again. And I'm sure by the download numbers you can tell it isn't just the 2 of us. I seriously am *jonesing* for your particular form of podcasting and playful bickering.

  • are all from different IP addresses, so they are not just us downloading it again and again to pump up the numbers. Hahaha! I kid, I kid! I can imagine Whotininnies is actually a very popular podcast, since it's the best Doctor Who themed podcast in existence, period! As some would say in places other than DocBack... FACT!!

  • I see Sherlock dropping into the truck, but I see potential problems with him just covering himself with blood and lying down on the ground. O Watson was delayed but not prevented from seeing the body, so the body he saw would have to be (or at least appear) dead. Part of the con was having Watson identify the body. This is why I don't see it being the dummy Henry Fishcott with a Moriarty mask being what was on the ground. Even distracted and distraught, Watson should be able to tell the difference between a dead body and a dummy. Of course, there's the thing that Watson might also regognize a mask on another body - it would depend on how good a job the mask is. For enough of a good job to fool Watson the body with the mask would have had to have been prepped well beforehand (indicating that it wouldn't have been Moriarty's body - not to mention that we weren't shown a point where Sherlock could have stepped back, grabbed Moriarty's body, thrown a mask on him and thrown him over the edge instead of jumping himself. So, it had to be Sherlock jumping.) So, if it's not a mask then it was Sherlock but they'd have to come up with a way of fooling Watson into thinking he's dead. They might have had Sherlock go into a trance to simulate death at that point, or have been shot up with a drug to make him seem like that at that point. Since it's Sherlock and not Doctor Who, Moffat can't just claim that Sherlock has a respiratory bypass system that let him go into a coma. So, right now it's probably a tossup as to whether it was a body with a *very* good mask set up and rolled off the truck to be on the ground (with added blood from a blood bag - notice how there was only one relatively small spot with blood, conveniently looking like about the amount that would come from a blood bag?), or Sherlock got off the truck, went into a self induced coma (either through meditation or through drugs that one of the crowd passed him) and was identified by Watson. Gee, all these theories about how Sherlock cheated death gives me memories of all the conversations about how the Doctor was going to cheat his death in The Impossible Astronaut before we got to see The Wedding of River Song. It's nice to have people this interested!

  • Jan. 18, 2012, 2:41 p.m. CST

    Gotilk - Molly and the Mask

    by DoctorTom

    *Molly did have 3 dates with *Jim*... so maybe getting that mask wouldn't be as hard as one would imagine. * I hope you're not suggesting that Richard Brooks had her put on a Moriarty mask when they up to shenanigans (though that certainly seems like something Moriarty would enjoy).

  • Jan. 18, 2012, 2:48 p.m. CST

    American Holmes? We've had it already.

    by DoctorTom

    They Might Be Giants, starring George C Scott and written by the older brother of the man who wrote The Princess Bride. (I'll have to remember this if we ever play the Six Degrees of Doctor Who again, whether or not we require the word Last to be in the title.)

  • Jan. 18, 2012, 3 p.m. CST

    gotilk - mashups

    by DoctorTom

    Well, there was already the cartoon Sherlock Holmes in the 22nd Century (I think it's coming out on DVD soon). Fred Saberhagen had the book The Holmes/Dracula files, and others have done Holmes/Dracula. I think people have done Holmes/War of the Worlds. Warren Ellis had Holmes in an issue of Planetary, that had Dracula and also namechecked or had Frankenstein's monster, the Invisible Man and Nicola Tesla. Oh, the Abraham Lincoln mashup isn't with zombies (at least I don't know of one) - it's Abraham Lincoln: Vampire Hunter. There's a movie coming out for it. Personally, I prefer the trailer for a movie making fun of these mashups (I saw the trailer and some hilarious promos over at the Bleeding Cool website). The movie is called FDR: American Badass. It even has Ray Wise playing General MacArthur!

  • For some reason I just have this feeling that Watson ends up getting updated to being a hardboiled, cocky Archie Goodwin type. Which wouldn't necessarily be that bad, come to think of it. As long as they don't make Sherlock too much like Mycroft if they do that, or pay the estate of Rex Stout some royalties if they do.

  • Jan. 18, 2012, 3:18 p.m. CST

    League of Extraordinary Gentlemen

    by veteran_of_mu

    Not the film, the Alan Moore comic. Had Mycroft, Moriarty, Mina Harkness from Dracula (relation to Jack?), Jekyll/Hyde, The Invisible Man, Alan Quartermain, Captain Nemo, AND in a vignette, Randolph Carter. So good! Not the film…

  • Jan. 18, 2012, 4:04 p.m. CST

    Tom Baker Interview

    by ComicGuru I hope everyone likes the new vid. LOL

  • Jan. 18, 2012, 4:47 p.m. CST

    doctortom - very accurate! (SPOILERS INSIDE for others!)

    by wtriker1701

    Though Herny Fishcott, Dummy The First, will be my favourite explanation (that's why he was famously introduced in the beginning [clues, it's all about tiny, tiny clues...]) - I'll recognize the difficulties with such a plan. A compromise between my and your theory woul be: Sherock jumped from the roof, landed in the rubbish truck, climbed out, got prepared (the blood - and maybe with an arm from the morgue with the help fo Molly). So - NO mask, Sherlocks real body (only alive and well), Watson distracted enough to feel the pulse of a poor other lad's dead arm within his coat... and so the story goes. Only Brook's / Moriarty's body will be carried away with other friend's help from the rooftop afterwards. Luckily Watson didn't feel the pulse on Sherlock's throat then, eh? ;-) Either my first theory or our compromise... those would be the only alternatives looking promisingly accurate. Well, at least for me... 2013!!!!! Nice to remind us of The Impossible Astronaut - yes, we all were quite wrong with the outcome. Shame on Moffat for that! ;-)

  • Jan. 18, 2012, 5:57 p.m. CST

    Ok. You have to see this. Someone beat the Moff to it...

    by HornOrSilk

  • Jan. 18, 2012, 6:09 p.m. CST


    by gotilk

    Ooh, I have a hardback, coffee-table sized copy of The League of Extraordinary Gentlemen. I must re-investigate as I've forgotten about Holmes' involvement. That will be fun. Thanks!

  • Jan. 18, 2012, 6:18 p.m. CST

    Comicguru, very very funny and great

    by gotilk

    impersonation. Or......was it??

  • Jan. 18, 2012, 6:19 p.m. CST


    by gotilk

    Now that must be done but with new Sherlock footage.

  • Jan. 18, 2012, 6:22 p.m. CST

    gotilk what I find amazing is that the Brett video was done in 2008

    by HornOrSilk

    I'm sure someone will be doing videos for Sherlock with it. Already one has been done for Moriarty... And then there is this:

  • Jan. 18, 2012, 6:55 p.m. CST


    by gotilk

    Ray Wise as MacArthur? Nice! Oops on the Lincoln-Zombie/Vampire mix-up. I always get them mixed up since the I am Legend re-make. lol. Sherlock Holmes in the 22nd Century, eh? Seems I have missed so much!

  • Jan. 18, 2012, 6:58 p.m. CST

    Sherlock Holmes in the 22nd Century

    by HornOrSilk

    Well, it was quite... odd... a mix of kids cartoon and kids cartoon humor with Doyle... What I really need to see is Sherlock Hound.

  • Jan. 18, 2012, 7:09 p.m. CST

    hornorsilk Both of those videos were great.

    by gotilk

    First one especially. Was that The Sims they used for the animated one?

  • Jan. 18, 2012, 7:13 p.m. CST

    gotilk The person who made it wrote

    by HornOrSilk

    Just The Sims 3 (with some mods installed) and Sony Vegas 9. :)

  • Jan. 19, 2012, 1:29 a.m. CST


    by gotilk

    Nice! They did great with so few tools.

  • Jan. 19, 2012, 3:48 a.m. CST

    gotilk I agree

    by HornOrSilk

    Though I doubt they knew how important the song would be in the finale..

  • Jan. 19, 2012, 5:05 a.m. CST

    This thread is costing me a fortune.

    by Peter

    As well as 'Shadows over Baker Street', I've now been compelled to purchase the 'League of Extraordinary Gentlemen' and 'Moriarty: Hound of the Durbervilles'. Can we all please just stop mentioning cool Victorian-themed fiction as penury doth not become me.

  • Jan. 19, 2012, 6:06 a.m. CST

    penury doth not become me

    by gotilk

    No kidding!! Seriously. I've purchased blu-rays, graphic novels, books, even music in a couple of cases, since first reading and posting here in the beloved DocBack. How about we have a safe word? When our wallets are almost empty, we'll just post.... UMQRA ...and there will be no mentions of any product that can be purchased for 24 hours. That will give us the opportunity to either sell our bodies on the street for blu-ray money (that should get me at the VERY least money for a 9.99 blu-ray on Amazon) or borrow some cash or something. Or click on a few thousand typos for some company on Amazon's Mechanical Turk. ;-)

  • Jan. 19, 2012, 6:10 a.m. CST

    Someone should animate the last series finale of Sherlock

    by gotilk

    and this second series finale, but in the style of Spy vs. Spy. Now THAT would be entertaining. Even if they just used the existing audio tracks for both. I can see it in my head and it's hilarious.

  • Jan. 19, 2012, 6:50 a.m. CST


    by Peter

    Agreed. Uh, UMQRA!

  • Jan. 19, 2012, 7:21 a.m. CST

    UMQRA meaning...

    by HornOrSilk

    Undead Moriarty Quickly Returns to America

  • Jan. 19, 2012, 11:45 a.m. CST

    Still here! Still reading!

    by Mister Vertue

    Well, reading as much as I can. I'm slightly busy with work at the moment, but I'm loving all your Sherlock theories. I'd say they're even more entertaining than your Who theories!

  • Jan. 19, 2012, 1:11 p.m. CST


    by gotilk

    Now that is high praise! I've read some VERY entertaining Who theories and HATs.

  • Jan. 19, 2012, 1:16 p.m. CST


    by gotilk

    Nice one! Usually Moriarty Quietly Romps in Avalons. (Toyota) (or Aerostars, or Accords)

  • Jan. 19, 2012, 1:36 p.m. CST

    petermck - hate to disappoint you on your wish

    by DoctorTom

    though it's not technically Victorian themed fiction, it's Edwardian themed fiction (for your purposes, you might still end up spending the money) - it's probably worth noting that Mark Gatiss has a series of 3 novels about the character Lucifer Box, who is supposed to be a secret agent for the British Government in the past, and was billed as a combination of Sherlock Holmes and James Bond, though putting in a bit of League of Gentlemen comedy as well (not League of Extraordinary Gentlemen, the tv show with Gatiss and others). I haven't read them yet, but have been told that they are good. The first two of the three novels (The Vesuvius Club and The Devil in Amber) look to be going at a substantial discount on Amazon. Has anybody out there read these books yet?

  • Jan. 19, 2012, 1:45 p.m. CST

    Or, UMQRA means

    by DoctorTom

    Umbrella Makers Quietly Repair Aeroballoon Use More Questionable Resources, Archie Umlaut Mark Query Referenced Austrians

  • Jan. 19, 2012, 1:48 p.m. CST

    Thank you, man_of_vertue

    by DoctorTom

    It's nice to hear that our half-baked theories are keeping you entertained! We'll at least have time to bat the theories back and forth more to at least come up with fully-baked theories before the third season starts.

  • Jan. 19, 2012, 1:54 p.m. CST

    Actually, maybe it's not UMQRA at all...

    by DoctorTom

    maybe that's just the letters and it's an anagram of Quarm, which is a clue to indicate that some of the people were Everquest addicts (going with the family friendly choice of definition for Quarm). I'll pretend it's the family friendly definition, and it's foreshadowing that Sherlock with his addictive personality is going to be spending the years between the last episode of season 2 and the first episode of season 3 holed up in some basement safe house where he spends all his time playing Everquest (unless he switches to World of Warcraft).

  • Jan. 19, 2012, 4:36 p.m. CST

    Sherlock's whereabouts

    by veteran_of_mu

    Playing synth for a band called the irregulars. In jail - its much easier to break in than out, and this would eliminate most maintenance problems. Under Molly's bed. Beats jail! In Mrs Hudson's basement. Now she has to be his housekeeper … Handing out towels in the lav at the Diogenes club and spitting in Mycroft's gin. Running the red headed league under the pseudonym of Benedict Cumberbatch …

  • Jan. 19, 2012, 4:50 p.m. CST

    Unsurpirsingly Mycroft Quietly Relishes Adventure

    by HornOrSilk


  • I know my interpretation will not be the same as well, but it certainly is what I get out of the series.

  • Jan. 19, 2012, 7:55 p.m. CST

    Unflappable Medic Quit Royal Army

    by veteran_of_mu

  • Jan. 19, 2012, 7:57 p.m. CST

    probably going too far here...

    by notspock2

    but have a nice old look to see what Watson could see in front of him.... Sherlock could have landed on a bouncy castle and Watson probably wouldn't have seen it..

  • Jan. 19, 2012, 8:22 p.m. CST

    What I loved about Sherlock

    by Relugus

    The characterisation, above all. They managed to show Sherlock becoming more human without it ever becoming more mawkish or cheesy. His relationship with Irene Adler, and the intellectual crush ensuing from it, gave him a better understanding of people. She connected with him, and in doing so, enabled him to connect with others. That beautiful scene with Molly, where he said how much he valued and trusted her, showed the growth of his humanity. Then there's the fact that John's advice, about not showing off, was proven to be very wise; Moriarty's scheme entrapped Holmes by turning his intellect against him, his showing off acting as the perfect evidence for SH being a fake. Sherlock got the upper hand in the rooftop confrontation by downplaying and concealing his intellect, leading Morriarty to believe him to be "ordinary", let down his gaurd, and slip up, then revealing his mind and pressing in upon Morriarty the fact that he can figure him out. Sherlock's telling John that he was a fraud in order to soften the blow of his "death" was again an illustration of subtle, and very touching, character evolution. Ultimately, what I love about Sherlock is that it has a soul.

  • Jan. 19, 2012, 11:05 p.m. CST

    OH hornorsilk ... BRAVO!

    by gotilk

    Not only was that beautifully written, but moving as well. It even brought my own view of the relationship into better focus. Heck, I think I might be a better person for having read that. Really, really well done. More of that please.

  • Jan. 20, 2012, 1:57 a.m. CST

    @hornorsilk ... can't exactly agree with the distinction ...

    by veteran_of_mu

    I have had an experience with someone close committing suicide. It wasn't as cut and dried as you suggest. Usually suicide is prompted by a psychobiological problem - usually depression - rather than pride or punishment. That doesn't offer much comfort to the people left behind, but it's better than thinking the person suicided out of spite. I'm not saying that can't happen, but depression and despair seem to be the more common causes. In the case of Rich Brook, however, I continue to believe that the cause was different again. Unless you can think of an alternate interpretation of the end of S2E2, I think RB was conditioned into his behaviour by the hound gas. I think that when Sherlock told him that he was him, RB saw a way to escape his master - the grey Professor - through dissolving his own ego, protecting the Professor's purpose while simultaneously forging Sherlock into a weapon to accomplish what he, RB, could not. I fully expect that, upon the reveal of the facts, Watson will have occasion to slowly shake his head while muttering, ~Poor devil. Poor, poor devil.~

  • Jan. 20, 2012, 3:02 a.m. CST

    caractacuspotts - ok. I agree, there is a different kind of suicide

    by HornOrSilk

    I was not dealing with the suicide of the people with psychological imbalance, which also exists. Such is not entirely free, but you are right to remind me of this because I agree. However, I think the fully, freely chosen suicide exists as a sign against life itself - and Moriarty shows he detests life throughout all we have seen -- so I think he does follow through with this real choice for death (instead of imbalances which make it not so free). And as I said, I know people might not agree, but I truly see elements of "Crime and Punishment," "The Possessed" and "The Brothers Karamazov' in this Moriarty. But instead of the redemption of Raskolnikov in "Crime and Punishment" because Raskolnikov had someone who loved him, he takes on the full force of having to prove himself the superman as in "The Possessed" and "Karamazov." When he goes that route, and does not turn back, suicide is the only answer -- not because he is depressed but because of spite. But again, you were right to say not all suicide is out of spite.

  • Jan. 20, 2012, 3:27 a.m. CST

    gotilk thanks!

    by HornOrSilk

    caractacuspotts did remind me of one problem with what I said, so if I were to change it I would talk about freely chosen suicide, but I think everything else remains. In this way, those who are not entirely free might even be attempting a kind of self-sacrifice, but we just call it "suicide" because we don't see the mental thoughts behind it. Nonetheless, I am glad what I said touched you and I hope will touch others.

  • Jan. 20, 2012, 3:39 a.m. CST

    @hornorsilk - cool

    by veteran_of_mu

    Now I'm off to generate questions from S1E2. I have the impression that there really isn't a lot hidden in the first season of Sherlock. I hope I'm wrong ... just one glimpse of the professor's back would make my day ... ~Do you ever wonder if there's something wrong with us?~

  • Jan. 20, 2012, 3:42 a.m. CST

    caractacuspotts -- as for hidden things

    by HornOrSilk

    I thought Season 1 they tried to be bold and clear with Moriarty, so there was no hidden things there. But I do think there might be hidden clues about Mycroft in the two seasons which could be picked up in Season 3.