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The 'Planet of Giants' Embiggens The Friday Docback!! DOCTOR WHO Story #9, And More!!




Merrick here...

...with a look at "Planet of Giants," the first installment of William Hartnell' second season as The Doctor.  "Planet" aired between late October/mid-November in 1964. 




The third (most recent) installment of my ongoing podcast with Ken Plume is now online and can be found HERE

This time around we roundly exalt ATTACK THE BLOCK while taking more than a few shots at SUPER 8, compare DOCTOR WHO with BUCKAROO BANZAI, look at Series One of THE FADES (while, quite shamefully and embarrassingly, forgetting Producer Caroline Skinner's name - about whom I'd just had a rather lengthy discussion an hour or so earlier), and much more. 

Previous installments of WHOTININNIES can be found on iTunes HERE.






"Just forget how absurd things are..."

- Ian Chesterton - "Dangerous Journey" - "PLANET OF GIANTS" PART 2

The TARDIS' standard de-materialization goes dangerously wrong when the vessel's doors open during the process. A subsequent "overloading of the scanner circuits" further implies that something is very wrong with the ship, although The Doctor remains cagey about what exactly happened and why. Mysteries are further compounded when exploration outside of the TARDIS reveals a world of giant worms and oversized ants - all dead. A ginormous matchstick and matchbox lead to a grim and inescapable conclusion: The Doctor and companions Ian (William Russell), Susan (Carole Ann Ford) and Barbara (Jacqueline Hill) are actually undersized visitors to a normal Earth, where our leads become threatened by plans of a man named Forester (Alan Tilvern). He wants to generate a powerful and dangerous insecticide called DN6 - an environmentally dubious construct whose effects now imperil Barbara...

"Planet of Giants" is a fun but ultimately frothy tale which is filled with clever and smart elements throughout. While contributing little to overrall DOCTOR WHO lore, the story takes on greater resonance when approaching it from a technical perspective. For better or worse, "Planet of Giants" feels like the story in which DOCTOR WHO's "game" was upped considerably. The effects work here is ambitious and, while admittedly wobbly, much of it is more complex than anything we'd seen on the show thus far.

A few music cues here are noticeably embiggened in size and are bold in application - previous DWs felt humble and sparse in this regard. While never close to attaining the lofty levels current WHO composer Murray Gold would eventually reach, one or two passages here offer the first subtle hints at how grand a DW score could someday become. There's also one moment of exceptionally nice editing in "Planet of  Giants"- it's somewhat hard to explain in writing but, essentially, it involves our heroes hearing a murder without knowing it (due to sound differentials brought about by their miniaturization).

Indeed, the script's treatment of the mechanics of miniaturization - and how difficult it would be for miniaturized beings to impact our "real" (bigger to them) world - is, on the whole, more well-considered than one would often find in shrinking tales of this ilk. Affecting changes to real-world objects is a daunting proposition at best for our travelers, and issues like the perception of sound play and its relative-to-size wavelengths plays a critical role in the story's overall plot. For example, our tiny people can not be heard by the considerably larger "real" world because their voices are too diminutive, and normal world sounds are dramatically accentuated when heard by our leads. I.e. a gunshot sounds like an "ancient cannon," doors closing like thunder, etc.

"PoG" can be a tad plodding at times, but it's never the atomic stinkbomb we got with "The Sensorites," or as energetically misguided as "The Reign of Terror" which followed it (both preceded this).

Ironically, the episode's most bewildering shortcoming directly pertains to the story's chief gag. Scripter Louis Marks (who would later write the tremendsouly entertaining "Day of the Daleks" for DW) addresses the ins and outs of shrinkification admirably and often carefully, but seems satisfied to rely on a Deus ex machina for both his tale's causative crisis (how the TARDIS and it's crew are shrunk to begin with) as well as how they are eventually re-enlarged. There's little or no explanation for either, not even a desperate stab in the dark. Which is agreeably fanciful to be sure, but also a tad conspicuous considering how much attention is given to other elements of the story.



There's a surprising (but welcome) concern for ecology running beneath the surface of this adventure - the ironically named Forester's pesticide is clearly spun as a dangerous "big bad" which must not be deployed, and the effects of such pesticides on the biosphere play a critical role in the narrative. A tip of the hat to Marks for allowing our heroes to have their own adventures in miniature while the larger-than-life humans around them scheme and toil and struggle and betray - inadvertently impacting out shrunken heroes (who they're never once aware of) while our leads are generally helpless to influence humanity in return. A wicked parable for the relationship between ancient Greek/Roman Gods and turning humans into Gods while smaller, unseen life is endangered by our actions and inaction. This move brings something of a classic mythological context to the proceedings, and transforms "Planet of Giants" into a saga that's a bit less frivolous than it might otherwise have been.

Fun, interesting, sometimes inspired, and never too heavy on the subtext I note above, "Planet of Giants" (another fun twist of phrase considering who the "Giants" are, and are not) is not yet available on DVD - but VHS of the episode can be found HERE in the U.S. and HERE in the U.K.  A DVD of this episode is almost certainly forthcoming; this would be a very nice candidate for the kind of "Special Edition" (reworking of visual effects, editorial tightening, etc.) we recently say with "Day of the Daleks" I should think. To be clear, I haven't heard that such an undertaking is actually underway. I'm just sayin'...

A huge thanks once again to Docbacker Bytor for setting me up with the video files.




Season/Series Six Revisited With The





"The Colony In Space" (Pertwee, Story #58)

(available HERE in the U.S. and HERE in the U.K.)







"The Impossible Astronaut"

"Day of the Moon"

"The Curse of the Black Spot"

"The Doctor's Wife"

"The Rebel Flesh"

"The Almost People"

"A Good Man Goes To War"

"Let's Kill Hitler"

"Night Terrors"




"An Unearthly Child" (Story #1)

"The Daleks" (Story #2)

"The Edge of Destruction" (Story #3)

"Marco Polo" (Story #4)

"The Keys of Marinus" (Story #5)

"The Aztecs" (Story #6)

"The Sensorites" (Story #7)

"The Reign of Terror" (Story #8)

"The Gunfighters" (Story #25)

"Day of the Daleks" (Story #60) + Preview of the DotD Special Edition

"The Talons of Weng-Chiang" (Story #91)

"The Sun Makers" (Story #95)

"The Awakening" (Story #131)

"Frontios" (Story #132)

"Time and the Rani" (Story #144)

"Paradise Towers" (Story #145) + New WHOvian Documentary / Newsbits

Merrick's Personal Journey With The Doctor (How Merrick Got Hooked On DOCTOR WHO)

DOCTOR WHO Title Sequences & DW At Comic-Con 2011

"The Crash of the Elysium" (Manchester version - interactive DOCTOR WHO adventure)

Why Eccleston Left, Here Comes Caroline Skinner, And Season/Series Six Part 1 on Blu-Ray And DVD

New Trailer For Season/Series Six Part 2



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  • Nov. 11, 2011, 11:25 a.m. CST

    Planet of the Giants

    by DoctorTom

    I always wondered if Irwin Allen had seen this story to get the idea for Land of the Giants.

  • Nov. 11, 2011, 11:30 a.m. CST

    And, Hello talkbackers!

    by DoctorTom

    Hope everyone is doing well. Good news for the UK Docbackers, the BBC has announced an Official Doctor Who convention for March. It makes sense for the BBC to do this; given the longer hiatus between seasons this is a good way to get Doctor Who back in the public eye.

  • Nov. 11, 2011, 11:32 a.m. CST

    Merrick - the Tom Baker phone ads

    by Mister Vertue

    Never seen them before! Seriously, pop a brown curly wig on Tom's head and he's good to go for 2013, wouldn't you agree? So, that's one down, nine to go...

  • Nov. 11, 2011, 11:39 a.m. CST

    Planet of the Giants

    by HornOrSilk

    Is the first story to lose a part, and turn from a 4 to a 3 parter. I even think all of it was filmed. Some of the things you mentioned might have been lost because of the shrinking of the tale itself!

  • Nov. 11, 2011, 11:40 a.m. CST

    Planet of the Giants

    by HornOrSilk

    Is the first story to lose a part, and turn from a 4 to a 3 parter. I even think all of it was filmed. Some of the things you mentioned might have been lost because of the shrinking of the tale itself!

  • Nov. 11, 2011, 11:40 a.m. CST

    Planet of the Giants

    by HornOrSilk

    Is the first story to lose a part, and turn from a 4 to a 3 parter. I even think all of it was filmed. Some of the things you mentioned might have been lost because of the shrinking of the tale itself!

  • Nov. 11, 2011, 11:40 a.m. CST

    Sorry about that

    by HornOrSilk

    For some reason it is acting up here. I hit post, but it acted like nothing was happening.

  • Nov. 11, 2011, 11:41 a.m. CST

    Those ads

    by HornOrSilk

    I remember when they first came out; it was exciting.. new Doctor Who.. ahem..

  • Nov. 11, 2011, 11:42 a.m. CST

    doctortom - hello!

    by Mister Vertue

    Isn't it a great time to be a Doctor Who fan? There's so many amazing things to look forward to over the next 2 years (and 12 days, if we're being picky). And don't tell anyone I said this, but something similar may be in the works for fans in other countries too, so UK fans won't be the only ones to have such treats to enjoy. And people say the BBC isn't supporting the show? Pah!

  • Nov. 11, 2011, 11:42 a.m. CST

    And hello DoctorTom

    by HornOrSilk

    It's been a crazy week for me. I'm working on my dissertation, the topic, eternal perdition, right now writing on the icchantikas in Buddhism. It's hellish work, especially since I didn't know how little I would actually find on this topic and how much I have to take the little which was said and expand it with explanations. Oh well.

  • Nov. 11, 2011, 11:43 a.m. CST

    The BBC needs to support Shada

    by HornOrSilk

    There, I said it ;)

  • Nov. 11, 2011, 11:45 a.m. CST

    Those Tom Baker ads are awesome

    by sunspot_mike

    He still kills as the Doc, even when he's shilling retirement accounts. I have a soft spot for Planet of Giants. The sound effects were cool and I thought that the DDT-substitute was a cool plot device. Way better than Honey, I Shrunk The Kids! And I want to go to that Doctor Who Convention in Cardiff really bad.

  • Nov. 11, 2011, 11:45 a.m. CST


    by Mister Vertue

    Mentions of The Fades, Caroline Skinner and Attack The Block, may force me into finding the time to actually listen to it this week. Damn you Merrick!

  • Nov. 11, 2011, 11:47 a.m. CST

    Happy 11th Doctor Day!

    by Michael_Jacksons_Ghost

    Hope everyone is doing good today! Planet of the Giants I think, is one of the only Hartnell stories that I have not seen. Has this hit dvd yet?

  • Nov. 11, 2011, 11:52 a.m. CST

    Hello DocBack!

    by gotilk

    Good to see you.

  • Nov. 11, 2011, 11:54 a.m. CST

    Whotininnies!! Yay!

    by gotilk

    Great, now laundry will not be boring today.

  • Nov. 11, 2011, 12:15 p.m. CST

    Tom Baker

    by Deagol21

    Gosh, I REALLY miss Tom Baker as the Doctor. He just has a certain quirky charisma about him that fits perfectly with the character. Even doing corny TV ads, he's perfect. I sure hope more than anything that they'll try and succeed at bringing him back for a 50th Anniversary special. Sure, he's obviously aged, but he still looks the part, and he can still bring on the quirky and authoritative tone that's been missing for so long. Someone should start a campaign or petition of some sort to get Tom back for the 50th anniversary. All of us long-time Doctor Who fans would LOVE to see him in the coat and scarf one last time!!!!!

  • Nov. 11, 2011, 12:20 p.m. CST

    And a nice review of the episode too, as always

    by Mister Vertue

    Makes me want to dig out my old VHS and pop it in the player, assuming it hasn't been chewed up already. How the hell did we ever live with those things?

  • Nov. 11, 2011, 12:23 p.m. CST

    hornorsilk - I was going to ask

    by Mister Vertue

    If you wanted to swap tasks, but after thinking about it, that dissertation really does sound quite nasty. You have my deepest sympathy.

  • Nov. 11, 2011, 12:31 p.m. CST


    by HornOrSilk

    If you want to see the full dissertation, the full foolishness I got myself into (taking 3 times as long as I expected because of how much I have had to read, and look for sources which can't be found), here it is (I chose a hell of a topic, literally): Title of Proposed Research: Eternal Perdition and Human Freedom: Hans Urs von Balthasar’s Theology in Dialogue with the Mahāyāna Teaching of Asanga the Yogācārin Statement of the Problem and Background: The question of eternal perdition is an important question in a variety of theological traditions. With it come closely related questions: What causes one to be placed among the damned? Is it possible that no human will actually end up suffering eternal perdition? There are Christian theologians who advocate the hope for the salvation of all, even if they do not know that this outcome will actually happen. One can include within this group Hans Urs von Balthasar. While Balthasar hoped that everyone would be saved, he still believed that the possibility of perdition was real and must be examined. To him, it was of great importance that we consider the possibility that we will end up among the damned. Some of the important elements in his understanding of perdition are: 1) the fact that God justly condemns us due to our sins, 2) that in his love, God desires all of humanity to be saved 3) every human person will see the justice of God’s condemnation of sin at the time of his or her judgment, and 4) the final outcome of that judgment is unknown and will be based upon how we respond to a personal God’s loving offer of salvation. Balthasar’s unwillingness to affirm absolute and certain knowledge of universal salvation was based upon several theses about God and humanity, including his belief that theology must preserve both human freedom and God’s justice. The question of eternal perdition also arose in Buddhist thought. There was a considerable amount of debate over the figure of the icchantika (someone who lacks the capacity for salvation) in the development of Mahāyāna Buddhism. Many Buddhists believed that if there were any icchantikas, this would establish some sort of eternal, unchanging self, that is, an atman. Asanga, who lived in the fourth century of our common era and was one of the founders of the Indian school of Yogācāra Buddhism, accepted the existence of the icchantikas in his writings and explained how one might become such. Because of his importance, Asanga’s explanation of the icchantikas represents a significant but often neglected possibility in Buddhist thought. Buddhists and Christians have a significantly different understanding of what it means to be a person and to have free will. For both religious traditions, freedom is important. How does Asanga, with his understanding of freedom, establish the possibility of eternal perdition? In what ways does this lead to a position similar to Balthasar’s on eternal perdition? In what ways does it lead to a different understanding? Purpose: This dissertation will examine Balthasar’s understanding of perdition on its own terms and through the use of comparative theology. It seeks to understand whether there are issues underlying his beliefs which could be revealed by comparing it with the thought of Asanga. Methodology: It is envisaged that there will be four sections to the dissertation. The first, the introduction, will explain the nature and scope of the inquiry. It will introduce the topic of eternal perdition in recent Christian theology. Second, there will be a discussion of the new discipline of comparative theology in systematic theology, explaining which of its approaches and methodologies will be used to examine perdition comparatively in this dissertation: A model will be established using the approaches of Neville, Clooney, Keenan, and Fredericks. The section will end with a consideration of the importance of Balthasar’s thought on perdition and why Asanga has been chosen to be the Buddhist thinker in this work of comparative theology. A second section will examine Balthasar’s thought on eternal perdition, that is, what he thought it was and what he thought would cause someone to suffer such a fate. It will discern the reasoning and theological sources Balthasar used to define his position as well as provide an analysis as to how his ideas on eternal perdition developed. Of special interest in this examination will be what Balthasar says about a person’s free will and how this relates to his ideas about eternal perdition. Among the works which will be examined in surveying the development of his thought will be the Apokalypse der deutschen Seele, Theologie der drei Tage and Theodramatik. A third section will examine Asanga’s understanding of eternal perdition, i.e., what he thought it was and what he thought would cause someone to suffer such a fate. Because the historical development of Asanga’s thought cannot be fully discerned (we have very little reliable biographical information about him), what will be most important here will be the sources and reasoning he used to define his position. Of special interest in this examination will be what Asanga says about a person’s free will and how this relates to his ideas about eternal perdition. Among the works of Asanga which will be examined are his Abhidharmasamuccaya, Mahāyānasūtrālamkāra and Yogācārabhūmi-śāstra, together with their commentarial tradition and related texts in Yogācāra Buddhism. The fourth section will undertake a comparative analysis of the thought of Balthasar and Asanga on eternal perdition. Employing the comparative method elaborated in section one, this analysis will compare and contrast what Balthasar and Asanga say about what a person is, about that person’s free will, and about how that free will is capable of being employed in a way that could lead to eternal perdition. Finally, it will summarize what the convergences and divergences of Balthasar’s thought with that of Asanga tell us about the former’s position on perdition. Contribution and Originality: While there is some extant theological literature in which Balthasar’s theology is brought into conversation with Eastern religions, so far no attention has been paid to the question of eternal perdition. By examining the topic of perdition in a comparative manner, this dissertation will provide a new way to examine this aspect of Balthasar’s eschatology, especially in relation to his understanding of what a person is and the pivotal role that freedom plays in determining that person’s eternal fate

  • Nov. 11, 2011, 12:35 p.m. CST

    And the sad thing is

    by HornOrSilk

    Once I'm done, it won't get me jobs. Academia is just falling apart. But I paid so much I might as well finish it. Anyway, you will now understand (anyone who read my topic) why I keep mentioning Ashoka and Doctor Who. I love things Buddhists, even as a Christian. Ashoka's story is so worthy of a Doctor Who story. The Doctor can easily serve as a "monk" who converts a warlord into a person of peace. And Ashoka's hells really did exist.

  • Nov. 11, 2011, 12:54 p.m. CST

    Hopefully will be watching this tonight when I get off of work...

    by Renee Knowles

    ... and I just downloaded the Whotininnies podcast. Looking forward to both! There is one benefit to winter; I have more time on my hands to spend on things like this XD Oooooh, and a recap next week! Nice :) Less homework for Renee ;)

  • Nov. 11, 2011, 1 p.m. CST


    by Mister Vertue

    Oh, don't view watching Doctor Who as homework! Think of it in the same way as eating ice cream, or a toblerone. It should be a pleasurable experience. Well, most of the time. I suppose some episodes could be seen as a form of homework and you just have to get through them to 'finish the course'.

  • Nov. 11, 2011, 1:03 p.m. CST

    hornorsilk - Wow!

    by Mister Vertue

    I'm definitely not swapping writing roles with you after reading that. I'll go back to what I was doing and consider myself lucky, not that I didn't consider myself lucky in the first place. I suppose I now feel 'luckier' than I did before. I'm sure you'll make a great employee somewhere once you graduate, don't give up hope!

  • Nov. 11, 2011, 1:04 p.m. CST

    Doctor Who Against the World Crime League

    by DoctorTom

    yes, I'm at the Buckaroo Banzai part of the podcast. I'm not sure I buy Buckaroo Banzai being the American Doctor Who though - what it really is was an updated (to the '80s), gonzo version of Doc Savage. That said, I could see the Matt Smith Doctor in an episode facing Emilio Lizardo and Black Lectroids from Planet 10 by way of the 8th Dimension. Then again, I'm the one wanting to see the Matt's Doctor meet Hunter S Thompson and find out what *really* is living in Bat Country.

  • Nov. 11, 2011, 1:11 p.m. CST

    Doctom, great idea!!!

    by Michael_Jacksons_Ghost

    That would be genius!!! Have Hunter & The Doctor team up against alien bats! LOL, that would be such great visuals, and if it ever did happen......Depp has to be Hunter!!!

  • Nov. 11, 2011, 1:16 p.m. CST

    BBCA - Doctor Who confidential as Monster Truck commercials

    by DoctorTom

    still going through the podcast - I found the comments about BBC America's so-called documentaries about Doctor Who hilarious.

  • Nov. 11, 2011, 1:23 p.m. CST

    Thanks MOV

    by HornOrSilk

    Yeah, some of us go crazy and try stupid things. It sounded good at the time!

  • I still remember the Prime computers he and Lalla Ward shilled in character on Aussie tv in a series of ads in the early 80's, as probably the most infamous example. They were certainly more entertaining to watch than 'Albert Einprime', the short-lived Prime robot mascot, who looked kind of like the bastard offspring of what you might get if C3P0, a Stormtrooper, and a prime computer got in an oily threesome. If I recall correctly Baker also did some ads for British Telecom as well at one point, dressed in Doctor-like threads, though careful not to look too close to the character, and he wasn't talking in Who-isms really in that one either, but the powers that be obviously wanted to have a degree of callback to his most famous role regardless. He did a ton of Print ads for things as well dressed as The Doctor, well beyond the usual and predictable Who merchandising. And more tv guest bits in character across a whole host of shows for various countries that broadcast Who. And not only during his reign, but even a couple quite a long time afterwards. Hell, I reckon he's done more in character guest spots than probably all the other Who actors combined. And somehow none of it really felt 'cheap' or 'sad' or 'exploitative', even when it was, because most of the time he just had the charisma to carry you through just about anything, even when it was all in an effort to shill some crap or another. And that is just another reason why Tom Baker is a God damn legend, I guess.

  • Nov. 11, 2011, 1:30 p.m. CST


    by Ken Plume

    Yes, Banzai is very much modern Savage, but the point Glen and I got derailed on is that Banzai represents the closest thing we've had to what could be seen as an American prism of a Doctor character/mythos. As usual, though, Glen & I got derailed on the topic by our delight in bantering about. I'm sure we'll return to it in some future conversation... And thanks for listening...

  • Nov. 11, 2011, 1:38 p.m. CST

    Fascinating stuff, Hornorsilk.

    by gotilk

    Good writing, and very interesting.

  • Nov. 11, 2011, 1:41 p.m. CST


    by gotilk

    *offspring of what you might get if C3P0, a Stormtrooper, and a prime computer got in an oily threesome* ....whew... still laughing so hard I have actual tears. I think it was the inclusion of the word *oily* that took it over the top for me. LOL!!! ..oh man... thank you.

  • Nov. 11, 2011, 1:44 p.m. CST

    Buckaroo Bonzai

    by gotilk

    LOL! Love it. I actually considered the nickname *John_Smallberries* back when I first came to this site all those years ago. Great Whotininnies so far, guys. Never quit.

  • Nov. 11, 2011, 1:48 p.m. CST


    by HornOrSilk

    Thanks! The topic is interesting, the writing, alas, isn't. If it were shorter, it would be, but what one needs to do for a dissertation is... blah!

  • Nov. 11, 2011, 1:51 p.m. CST

    kenplume - American prism of Who

    by DoctorTom

    Actually, you could equate Sliders as early (Hartnell) Who through an American prism. Later seasons on the Sci Fi Channel, after most of the original cast members had been replaced, could be equated with the Troughton era. Keep up the fun work with the podcasts, I'm enjoying it immensely! And, in a future podcast, can you give us a good Princess Bride-like Inconceivable? For some reason, at times during the podcast I was getting a real Wallace Shawn vibe from listening to you. I just think it'd be great to have you shouting out Inconceivable! now and then in response to Glen's points. :)

  • Nov. 11, 2011, 1:56 p.m. CST

    Actually Ken, come to think of it,

    by DoctorTom

    The Princess Bride has somewhat of a Who feel now and then, especially if you compare to the Graham Williams/Douglas Adams season with Tom Baker, Lalla Ward and (unfortunately) the wrong voice for K9.

  • Nov. 11, 2011, 1:58 p.m. CST

    Hornorsilk - Eternal Perdition and Buddhism

    by DoctorTom

    If you're working Buddhism into your dissertation, does that mean you get to work some Doctor Who references into the Dissertation too? ;)

  • Nov. 11, 2011, 2:02 p.m. CST

    doctortom -- sadly, no

    by HornOrSilk

    Doctor Who really doesn't engage Yogacara. I have, however, thought about using The Matrix (a Doctor Who derivative) for a case in point - if one returns to the Matrix knowing it is the Matrix, that would be a kind of perdition in Buddhism.

  • Nov. 11, 2011, 2:24 p.m. CST

    Hornorsilk - but, that raises the question

    by DoctorTom

    about the Time Lords' Matrix (or APC Net if you want to be able to differentiate between that and the Matrix movie's Matrix) - it stores the brain patterns of all the deceased Time Lords - would that be a kind of perdition too? For that matter, what if a Buddhist's mind was saved in the Library along with River Song?

  • Nov. 11, 2011, 2:26 p.m. CST

    Horn, another thing to consider

    by DoctorTom

    would being converted to a Cyberman count as perdition?

  • Nov. 11, 2011, 3:11 p.m. CST

    hornorsilk, the Matrix and the library

    by gotilk

    Fascinating! The Matrix seems similar to the library in Silence In The Library. I had no idea that The Matrix contained the brain patterns of deceased Time Lords. I love those types of concepts. I've actually hoped for a long time that the Library would be a part of another story in the future.

  • Maybe the old incarnations of the dr. are sick, or dying ... or something ... it's easy. And it makes whatever the challenge is personal, which would make a multi-dr. story great, imo. Here's hoping. Fingers crossed.

  • Nov. 11, 2011, 3:18 p.m. CST

    That was another very entertaining Whotininnies.

    by gotilk

    Or should I say .. Whooooooo tininnies. Great job guys. Made my chores tolerable on a day with a stupidly painful headache. Laughing hurt a bit but it was worth it.

  • Nov. 11, 2011, 3:19 p.m. CST


    by gotilk

    Yes, let's just will it into happening. I cannot imagine the anniversary without Tom.

  • Nov. 11, 2011, 3:27 p.m. CST

    Still crossing my fingers for Confidential.

    by gotilk

    I really hope Ken is right and it comes back. Even if it's like a 1 every 2 episodes thing, with an expanded version online.

  • Nov. 11, 2011, 3:49 p.m. CST


    by HornOrSilk

    The Matrix seemed to contain the information/thoughts/ideas but not the life; the Library contains the life, but the library itself will eventually be destroyed, so it still is not the Buddhist perdition.

  • Nov. 11, 2011, 3:50 p.m. CST

    Now, Kinda MIGHT have something in it

    by HornOrSilk

    It's all cyclical, and the Mara is trapped in that cycle.

  • Nov. 11, 2011, 4:18 p.m. CST

    Ah! I just thought of another perdition, hornorsilk!

    by DoctorTom

    Omega stuck in the other universe - he's physically dead since he has no body under that costume, he's really just a soul stuck on a planet that looks like a quarry.

  • Nov. 11, 2011, 4:50 p.m. CST


    by HornOrSilk

    Perdition in Buddhism is much more complex than that. He's just in a hell realm. Hell realm is not the same as eternal samsara.

  • Nov. 11, 2011, 4:50 p.m. CST

    Or I should say

    by HornOrSilk

    Infinite samsara.

  • Nov. 11, 2011, 4:51 p.m. CST

    And I too hope Confidential might return

    by HornOrSilk

    There has been a big cry for it.

  • Nov. 11, 2011, 4:54 p.m. CST

    Talkbacks are so much better

    by FuzzyLumpkins

    when the posters are civil and interesting (if moderated). Thank you all.

  • Nov. 11, 2011, 4:58 p.m. CST


    by HornOrSilk

    Right you are! We generally have good talks here. It doesn't have to be that we agree with each other on everything, but we like Doctor Who, we like talking Doctor Who, we want good Doctor Who, and we get Doctor Who. How can it go bad if we all do this? :)

  • Nov. 11, 2011, 5:04 p.m. CST

    The Doctor I'd most like to see in the anniversary

    by FuzzyLumpkins

    special is Chris Eccleston because he seems to be the only ex-Doc who has serious reservations about his time in the role, and it would be nice to know that he's come to terms with it. Besides, how could he resist being part of a Steven Moffat event like that?

  • Nov. 11, 2011, 5:13 p.m. CST

    fuzzylumpkins -- the Doctor I want to see

    by HornOrSilk

    Is the 8th Doctor. And I want him to bring in Mary Shelley with him!

  • Nov. 11, 2011, 5:20 p.m. CST

    Doctor Who Confidential

    by Mister Vertue

    I'm afraid that show is doomed never to return. As much as Doctor Who fans are amazing and persistent, no amount of persistence will bring it back now. As sad as I am to see it go, and the brilliant Confidential production team that worked alongside the main crew, we have to accept that it's gone and be happy that the main show is still alive and well. Even if they did bring it back, most of the Confidential team have either started work on other shows or left the channel altogether. I'm sure there are various things in the pipeline to fill the void left on the dvds though...

  • Nov. 11, 2011, 5:22 p.m. CST


    by FuzzyLumpkins

    I don't really follow the books or audios. Too many of them and too few of me. Also, time is money I don't have enough of either.

  • Nov. 11, 2011, 5:30 p.m. CST


    by Mister Vertue

    Chris Eccleston is definitely going to be the hardest ex-Doctor to convince to return, of that there is no doubt. I'd say all the original surviving tv Docs from Tom Baker through to Sylvester McCoy would dearly love to have one last hurrah, with Paul McCann being a good 50/50. We all know David would jump at the chance of coming back and Matt will still be in the role in 2013, so that really only leaves Chris as the one sticking point in a full reunion. Will a thrilling script be enough to convince him to return? We better hope so, because there won't be a big budget to splash on any one actor, and it would hardly be fair to single out one person and leave the others feeling resentful, would it? The anniversary year has to remain a fun project and a celebration of not only the show itself, but all the talented people who have worked on it over the years.

  • Nov. 11, 2011, 5:59 p.m. CST

    Recast Doc#9?

    by V'Shael

    Would that be something the showrunners would consider? I mean, Hartnell was recast due to being dead and all. But if Chris wouldn't come back, would it not make sense to just recast him ala Hartnell/Hurndall ?

  • Nov. 11, 2011, 6:14 p.m. CST

    MAn, Irwin Allen never had a damn original idea, did he?

    by mdk

  • Nov. 11, 2011, 6:29 p.m. CST

    No recasting

    by HornOrSilk

    Just repeat what happened to Tom Baker --

  • Nov. 11, 2011, 6:39 p.m. CST

    MOV re: review

    by Merrick

    *** And a nice review of the episode too, as always *** Thank you - highly meaningful and deeply appreciated.

  • Nov. 11, 2011, 6:43 p.m. CST

    gotilk re: podcast

    by Merrick

    *** Great job guys. Made my chores tolerable on a day with a stupidly painful headache. Laughing hurt a bit but it was worth it. *** Thank you so very much - truly glad you're enjoyoing it. Hope your headache is improving - suffered with some severe headaches myself in the past and they can be quite debilitating. My thoughts are with you.

  • Nov. 11, 2011, 6:53 p.m. CST


    by Renee Knowles

    Getting into the swing of things with classic Who is just a little difficult at times... so it feels a little bit more like homework, but that doesn't mean I won't enjoy it :) Just like with school... sometimes after you finish your homework you find it was actually kind of interesting and worthwhile :)

  • Nov. 11, 2011, 6:57 p.m. CST

    Ken and Glen

    by gotilk

    Have you guys caught Misfits? Like it? This series is actually much more entertaining than I expected it to be. The new guy is great. And I think it's Uzbekistani.

  • Nov. 11, 2011, 7:04 p.m. CST

    Thanks, merrick

    by gotilk

    Actually feeling tons better now. Thank goodness. And I don't think I have ever laughed as hard as I did when Ken made a noise with his mic and he kept trying to finish his thought, while you were just not letting the mic thing go.... hilarious. He's very funny when frustrated. Keep it up. Get that fart machine fixed. Not because the fart machine is that funny (it is), but because his frustration with it is just hilarious! You guys have a good thing going, classic chemistry.

  • Nov. 11, 2011, 7:04 p.m. CST


    by Renee Knowles

    Those two Doctors are at the tip-top of my list. I'm honestly not sure which between McGann and Eccleston I'd want to see more. Eccleston is really my favorite new Who Doctor but McGann has certainly grown on me in the Big Finish audios. And with him not having a fair shake at a full run, there is something very satisfying about the thought of seeing him on screen again.

  • Nov. 11, 2011, 7:10 p.m. CST

    protocal -- yes, I want McGann onscreen

    by HornOrSilk

    And with a good story which lets him shine while we are at it. I still say the "Doctor lite" should be a "previous Doctor" story with the 8th Doctor.

  • I had to share it with you people. Academy Award winning short Logorama is on Vimeo now. Just watch it.... it's amazing. Amazing animation, score, concept... perfection. You'll have to watch it several times to catch as many details as you can. And boy does it have details.... Makes me wonder how many companies have attempted to take legal action against the people who made this. Fair use works, and usually holds up in court, but they can still sue.

  • Nov. 11, 2011, 7:14 p.m. CST


    by gotilk

    I know exactly what you mean. I typically am glad I watched, but sometimes when the stories drag on a little too much, it starts to feel like a task I need to complete.

  • Nov. 11, 2011, 7:14 p.m. CST


    by Renee Knowles

    Absolutely. There needs to be about a two minute gap, though, between when he first arrives on screen and when he begins speaking. Any shorter and I probably won't be able to hear him through my squeeing and other such general fangirl noises. :)

  • Nov. 11, 2011, 7:53 p.m. CST

    The Planet of Giants

    by gotilk

    I assume all parts are on YouTube, but I have not checked yet. Here's part one... Enjoy!

  • Nov. 11, 2011, 8:52 p.m. CST

    logorama/xmas special

    by bongo dummy

    gotlik, didn’t the short win an Oscar? I know it was nominated. I don’t know with certainty that there was any need for them to get clearance and I doubt that the companies minded that much. It is free promotion and businesses like to get that. It is impressive but I got to admit, I remember the story not holding up in a great way. But, that was probably more about my tastes than the short. It is impressive as an effort and how it was put didn’t get completely by my cynicism and enchant my jaded self by delivering startling creativity and mind-bogglingness. But that’s just me. I have reservations about it (though, surely there was a hotel or more promoted in the piece that could fill any reservations.) This message was brought to you by:___________. **************************** Question, for anyone who may know: when might some clue or teaser be offered up on the Xmas special? It seems like the finale was weeks ago. Weeeeeks ago.

  • Nov. 11, 2011, 9:01 p.m. CST


    by Renee Knowles

    Ohhhhh thank you thank you! I am an idiot, and didn't even think to check YouTube. :o\

  • Nov. 11, 2011, 9:02 p.m. CST


    by gotilk

    Yes, it won the Oscar for best animated short. I've watched it 4 times now and I do have some reservations now as well. Much of it has to do with the voice work. (David Fincher was one of the pringles guys) At times it felt a little rough around the edges, voice-wise. But wow... that sound design and score was amazing.

  • Nov. 11, 2011, 9:04 p.m. CST


    by gotilk

    You're welcome. Enjoy! I'm going to have to finish watching it later. I don't even know if all the parts are there on youtube. If not, check dailymotion. They have a ton of old Who there.

  • Nov. 11, 2011, 9:29 p.m. CST

    Hi everyone!

    by Terry

    Hope everyone is doing well. I found some Tom Baker episodes and plan on diving intot them tomorrow. Spent the day fixing a friends irrigation system. Turned out to be more like an Irritation System instead. Anyway, has everyone seen this? Official BBC Doctor Who Convention next March. You know, I am seriously considering trying for this. I would love to see Wales and this is a perfect excuse to do it! SJW - hope you are feeling better. And great to see everyone else!

  • Nov. 11, 2011, 10:09 p.m. CST


    by Renee Knowles

    I am happy to report that all parts are on YouTube :) Thanks again!

  • Nov. 11, 2011, 10:35 p.m. CST

    Okay, now that I've actually watched it, I can comment

    by Renee Knowles

    First, big thanks for bringing back the "coming next" feature! :) This is precisely what I was hoping for... a bit of a prod to get me to watch more classic Who :) And exactly what I was expecting... given a bit of a reason to sit down and spend the time to watch it, I would find myself enjoying it. And enjoy it I did :) I did not read the review before watching the episode (spoilers and all) but I noticed much of the same things... and considering I'm not the type to usually pick up on this sort of stuff it must've been quite noticeable. - Straight away, the music grabs your attention. It's more complex and upfront than I remember from any of the other (admittedly few) classic Who episodes I've seen. - The effects were also quite impressive, considering when this was filmed. - The sets seemed remarkably well done, and I found myself actually wanting to see them in better detail than the version on YouTube would allow. - The overall premise was solid and made for an interesting conundrum; a wonderful set up for a fun episode depicting the Doctor and his Companions exploring a world in which they are only one inch tall, while in the background a story of murder and betrayal played on. - As pointed out, the explanation for why they were miniaturized seemed weak. Perhaps this is just the observation of someone who is used to clever, quickly-delivered "timey-wimey"esque explanations for everything, but there were a few things I either missed or just flat-out didn't understand. Why were the TARDIS doors stuck open during materialization? Why would this cause them to shrink, and why would simply dematerializing from Earth cause the shrinking to be reversed? - There was a bit of an eco-awareness message to the plot, which seems unusual for its time, though much more commonplace now. On one hand, I welcome it; being a show for children, it is a good message... but on the other hand, as an adult, it felt a little too preachy or heavy-handed at times. That aspect of the episode did not age well. - At times, the acting of the "bad guys" was not very convincing, especially when they were discussing the murder itself and the reasons for it. I would've preferred that they'd treated that a tad more subtly. - I've only seen two Hartnell stories (Unearthly Child and Tomb of the Cybermen, I believe) but his personality seemed to really shine through in this episode. I found myself wanting to watch more Hartnell episodes as a result, and appreciating this incarnation of the Doctor even more. Overall, it was a very enjoyable story, with good special effects and music. It's left me wanting more, which is exactly what I was hoping for :)

  • Nov. 11, 2011, 10:46 p.m. CST


    by Renee Knowles

    I saw that! Since Wales is a bit of a hike for me, and I'll be there in August for a Steampunk festival anyways, instead I'm going to relentlessly tease shibley until he gets me autographs ;) (Shibs hasn't been on in a while, so you might not know who I'm talking about, but he used to be a frequent Docbacker) I'll be heading to Chicago TARDIS in two weeks myself... unfortunately the lovely Alex Kingston is not going to be there any longer, but Peter Davison and Mark Sheppard will, so it's not all bad :)

  • Nov. 11, 2011, 11:30 p.m. CST


    by Terry

    Yeah, going to be a bit of a hike for me too. I live in Florida. I got to spend 2 weeks in Scotland this year so Wales is next on my list. Really going to see if I can swing the trip. The Chicago Tardis sounds fun. Looking forward to hearing about your experiences there. No Kingston is a real bummer.

  • Nov. 12, 2011, 12:16 a.m. CST

    Those ads are great

    by FrodoFraggins

    Tom Baker is my favorite doctor and I'd never seen those before.

  • Nov. 12, 2011, 12:30 a.m. CST


    by Renee Knowles

    I hope you get to go, and have tons of fun in Wales... let me know how it is! I've never been (closest I've come is London) and I don't have much of an idea of what to expect.

  • Nov. 12, 2011, 3:56 a.m. CST

    I still think some of the questions were answered

    by HornOrSilk

    And just cut out when turned into 3 parts.

  • Nov. 12, 2011, 4:22 a.m. CST

    Sam -- when you have a chance to come back

    by HornOrSilk

    I hope you are healing well!

  • Nov. 12, 2011, 5:07 a.m. CST

    Am I the only one who has this problem

    by HornOrSilk

    I write, post submit, and it posts but it looks like nothing is done? I had upgraded to Firefox 8 so I think it might be some problem with Firefox.

  • Nov. 12, 2011, 8:43 a.m. CST

    Re: Dr Who Convention

    by Andy Buckle

    Was very excited when I saw this mentioned earlier in the DocBack, so checked out the link to find out more... Now, I'm all for this idea and it sounds like they're putting together a great package, BUT... £99 per ticket? Plus £25 for a photo-op and a further £25 for an autograph? With no reduction in any of those prices for kids? Seriously? Dr Who is a family show, and for a family of four that's nigh-on £600 for the whole kit and caboodle. Which in these recession-hit times is a fair old wedge. I appreciate that there will be serious costs involved in hiring the venue, securing guest appearances etc. And as an adult whose kids are now adults themselves, I know that I could afford to treat myself. But by not offering discounts for children it will make it very difficult for families to attend. As childen are, I believe, the target audience for Who, then that's a real shame. Maybe I've misread the information. Maybe someone out there knows more than I do and can justify those prices. I'd love to know what others think. Of course, having said all that, I'm still seriously contemplating putting my hand in my pocket and shelling out - and perhaps that says it all.

  • Nov. 12, 2011, 9:40 a.m. CST

    Planet of the Giants

    by Greg

    Finished watching so now this is the first First Doctor black and white story I've seen all the way through. It definitely helped me to get through by being only 3 parts. Not that it was bad, it was a good concept and they did well with the effects for the time, I guess I'm just not a fan of the Doctor's companions during this time. I get the idea of having Ian, as the first Doctor is older and shouldn't be getting physical or anything, some stories might need someone who could physically defend the group or lift things (although Susan seemed to be doing the heavy lifting in this one). Maybe it's just modern sensibilities, but I think he came off really bland (here and in what I've watched of Aztecs). Definitely not a fan of Barbara either. I like Susan as she's enthusiastic and comes off smart (at least in this story). I liked the murder story line in this though, especially the conclusion where the mini-sized Doctor and companions were finally able to affect the larger size world. Certainly watchable overall.

  • Nov. 12, 2011, 9:58 a.m. CST

    icyhot First Doctor story you should see

    by HornOrSilk

    The War Machines. It's much more action oriented, and it highlights the new companions with the old one (Dodo) having a rather odd send off. It can be slow in comparison to modern episodes, but it still is quite well paced and interesting for the time. Doctor Who!

  • Nov. 12, 2011, 9:59 a.m. CST

    Here's the trailer for it

    by HornOrSilk

  • Nov. 12, 2011, 12:44 p.m. CST

    thank you hornorsilk

    by Greg

    I'll check it out after I finish up Seeds of Doom. I hope I didn't come off overly negative on the First Doctor, I just haven't seen much that has really grabbed me. I'm certainly willing to give any recommendation a try (and I do need to finish the Aztecs as well). Quick question, I just received the 60s movie Doctor Who and the Daleks in the mail by mistake (I had ordered Ark in Space). Should I watch that before I watch The Daleks?

  • Nov. 12, 2011, 12:49 p.m. CST

    Doctor Who and the Daleks

    by HornOrSilk

    It's a remake of the Daleks story, with Cushing as a humanized Doctor. It's different and the same; it's ok, don't know which to say to watch first, though it is quicker paced because it is shorter.

  • Nov. 12, 2011, 1:45 p.m. CST

    bongodummy - 2011 Christmas Special

    by Mister Vertue

    The teaser trailer will be featured on Children In Need next Friday, so keep your eyes open for that because you'll find out the official title.

  • Nov. 12, 2011, 1:52 p.m. CST

    Good morning-ish DocBack!

    by gotilk

    Good afternoon/evening for some of you.

  • Nov. 12, 2011, 2:02 p.m. CST

    Hello gotlik

    by HornOrSilk

    Ready to return to the land of the giants? Er, wait, wrong thread. Honey, I shrunk the Doctor. Logopolis edition. er, no, wrong again...

  • Nov. 12, 2011, 2:48 p.m. CST

    gotilk sorry about the name typo

    by HornOrSilk

    but, well, I hope the ddt around here didn't get to you ;)

  • Nov. 12, 2011, 9:35 p.m. CST


    by Renee Knowles

    Are you serious? I will never bitch about convention prices here again.

  • Nov. 13, 2011, 1:18 a.m. CST

    Hello all!

    by Kevin Bolinger

    Just checking in on my birthday! Sorry I havent been around as much, been busy writing and doing my youtube silliness ;p This is yet another set of eps I have yet to watch, sadly...

  • Nov. 13, 2011, 2:25 a.m. CST

    Tom Baker & British Telecom

    by The Edges Hat

    A few years ago, BT had a service where you could send a text from your mobile to a land line and it would read out in Tom Baker's voice :) Hilarious! Some of the things we got it to say were so funny hearing Tom say it. Met him twice too... What a man, always friendly and makes you feel like he's been sitting there waiting for you specifically :)

  • Nov. 13, 2011, 5 a.m. CST

    Retro Who for those just getting into our fave timelord....

    by sam jacksons wig

    ...I think the only comments that I can make regarding retro who, especially the very old stuff from the 60's, for those watching AFTER they are used to nu-who, is that the difference in style and content is VAST! That may sound like I am stating the bleeding obvious, but hear me out. There will be those that are used to the "pace" of the new episodes (not necessarily the updated FX) and having only 42-45 minutes to get the story told in full. The older episodes tended to drag things out inordinately, filling 4 to 6 28 minute episodes with beaucoup exposition, and sporadic action to help TELL the story. The action was not really front and center but there to move the story along. (even the likes of Leela IMHO) If those of you who are discovering these classics for the first time approach them with this in mind, you will have a much better time and experience. Like everything, Who has evolved over the years, and as you progress you will be able to see it catering for the audience of the day. It also (whilst on a modest budget) took advantage of technological advances, which also gave it a modern feel for the audience and presented that WOW factor. For me, it's a fantastic experience to see where we have been and where we are now. I can only imagine where we will end up. My tickets are booked for the journey!!! SJW.

  • Nov. 13, 2011, 5:06 a.m. CST


    by sam jacksons wig

    ..thank you guys!!! I'm only a couple of days late to the party. Feeling sore- my physiotherapy starts tomorrow. Apart from that, not bad at all! Hope the both of you are very well indeed!

  • Nov. 13, 2011, 5:15 a.m. CST


    by sam jacksons wig, your voice sounds really hoarse, my friend!!! Hope there are no manflu symptoms in your immediate future. Attack the Block- couldn't really get away with it. Liked the premise, but the social aspect of the movie turned me off before the first frame. I just couldn't get past a bunch of hoodie hooligans becoming anti-heroes. In Britain, they are an infection stinking up our streets. Because of that, I couldn't take the movie on any level. As for the technical hitch during the cast- loved it!!! Another triumph. Thank you. SJW.

  • Nov. 13, 2011, 8:15 a.m. CST


    by Merrick

    ***, your voice sounds really hoarse, my friend!!! Hope there are no manflu symptoms in your immediate future. *** Tyring to find balance with some pesky allergy and asthma symptoms. Getting much closer to doing so. However, if you were to meet me in person, it wouldn't sound that bad at all. The "sound" of my voice isn't being helped by the absurd sensitivity of the mic I'm using. I was just talking to Ken last night about putting together a mic/mixing set-up which'll allow me 1) to sound like I'm more or less in the same location as Ken during the podcast, and 2) help me to *not* sound not like either a demented helium addict or Darth Vader with an old lady's smoker's voice whenever I talk on the show. Sound during filming/performance is always an exceptionally tricky and costly affair. Many people underestimate its complexity. Even knowing this going in, I'm stil surprised by what a pain in the ass sound has been during our podcast undertaking.

  • Nov. 13, 2011, 8:42 a.m. CST

    SJW P.S.

    by Merrick

    Thanks a ton for listening!

  • Nov. 13, 2011, 10:07 a.m. CST


    by HornOrSilk

    Glad you are recovering and will hopefully get good care to make sure no problems develop. I got a lot of writing done lately; not saying it was good writing, but at least it's progress. So that's good for me

  • Nov. 13, 2011, 11:19 a.m. CST


    by gotilk

    I noticed the music too. I didn't notice at first that this was the series 2 premiere. So I guess they spent some time on the score or something, because I thought it was some of the best music for the show, including the modern episodes. I'm still not done watching it though. So far so good.

  • Nov. 13, 2011, 11:20 a.m. CST


    by gotilk

    On the name thing: It's alright. I've been called everything from gotlik to gotmilk to goatlicker. It's an odd nickname, so I expect it to be misread from time to time. lol

  • Nov. 13, 2011, 11:24 a.m. CST

    sam jacksons wig On pacing.

    by gotilk

    Yeah, good advice regarding expectations. Not only did people appear to have longer attention spans back then, I think it may actually be good for viewers to actually watch a story unfold over a longer period from time to time. I was talking with my friend about this and we both agreed that the slower pace as well as the look of it all actually adds to the experience. I suggested it made it look like a window into another universe. He described it as feeling like receiving a transmission from a faraway planet. Or maybe we're both just making excuses. Who knows?

  • Nov. 13, 2011, 11:30 a.m. CST

    merrick Microphones

    by gotilk

    I've noticed that if you get yourself a condenser mic and get something that makes the signal go from the mic to the input and remain *balanced*, you get a fantastic sound. I got a really good one from Guitar Center by a company called MXL (the kit I got came with a vocal and instrument mic in it) for less than 80 bucks. Just be sure you plug it into something with phantom power and an adapter that takes the balanced input and terminates at 1/8 inch male input for your computer. A mixer works, but you can get a cheaper solution and it works beautifully. I get an outstanding sound from my setup. I have a mixer and a 24 track console now, so I don't have to fiddle around with all that anymore. But it sounded wonderful for a setup that cost less than 100 bucks. Good luck. Let me know if you want more details.

  • Nov. 13, 2011, 11:31 a.m. CST

    Have a great day all...

    by gotilk

    I'll be back later. Kind of a slow DocBack this weekend, huh? Quality not quantity I guess, right?

  • Nov. 13, 2011, 11:43 a.m. CST

    Happy birthday, darthdevious!

    by DoctorTom

    I hope you get lots of good stuff for your birthday, especially if it's Who related.

  • Nov. 13, 2011, 12:08 p.m. CST

    Sam, glad you're recovering

    by DoctorTom

    and I hope it goes swifty without lingering effects. Those are good comments about retro Who. Unfortunately you get the occasional story that just doesn't work even if you make allowances. A few days ago I went back to watch Time and the Rani - it was almost physically painful to sit through to watch. There were still a couple of nice things with Sylvester McCoy, but not nearly enough. And, it's one of the few commentaries that I bailed out on after starting - (I can understand having (oh my, I blanked on her name - I'm either getting too old or it's my subconscious making a value judgement on her time on Who..heck, I better check wiki...oh yeah, that's it) Bonnie Langford on the commentary with Sylvester McCoy, but by all that is holy did they need to include Pip and Jane Baker? They of course loved the story except the fact that Andrew Cartmel made them take out Solomon and put in Einstein instead (of course, J N-T backed up Cartmel on the decision, deciding that maybe threatening to cut a baby in two isn't the best thing for teatime viewing). Heck, getting on Cartmel would have been a lot better, and we might have had a more honest response about the story. They could have gotten Colin Baker in to make comments about the story he managed to avoid. Heck, assemble the Time Team or get another group of dedicated fans/pros to have a debate about the story (Toby Hadaoke, Mark Gatiss, Gary Russell, Lawrence Miles and Tat Wood locked together in a room with Time and the Rani playing and being forced to discuss the story would have provided a far more entertaining commentary track than the so-called entertainment of the story itself). Or, in cases like this, provide a second commentary made by the RiffTrax people. Heck, I can't believe I'm saying this, but I might need to go back and watch The Twin Dilemma and Timelash again to reappraise whether Time and the Rani's actually worse than them. That said, if they put out a Special Edition of Time and the Rani I'd buy it if they did two things: 1) Multiple commentaries on the original episodes provided by Rifftrax, and a second commentary by the people I listed above being locked in a room with it playing. 2) The Special Edition cut the story down to a tolerable size, say 20 minutes, and edits the story so that after the cliffhanger of Mel being trapped in the energy ball it were edited to insert the previous clip of an energy ball exploding when it hit a rock, then the story were recut to completely avoid using Mel in the story after that.

  • Nov. 13, 2011, 12:32 p.m. CST

    Sorry about that rant buried in there

    by DoctorTom

    but after watching Time and the Rani I had to let it out and not let it fester like a boil. Amazingly, I watched Meglos and it helps to wash away the taste of Time and the Rani. I never thought Meglos was a particularly good story, but my appreciation of it has grown with rewatching it. It might not be the best, but it's certainly far from the worst. And, I'll give it points for having Jacqueline Hill in a role besides Barbara. It's a shame that they couldn't have figured out a way to use Barbara instead of the Brigadier in Mawdryn Undead when they couldn't get William Russell - I'm sure she would have done an excellent job, and we would have avoided all the UNIT dating glitches that we're saddled with now.

  • Nov. 13, 2011, 2:11 p.m. CST

    MAny Who Days Ahead, Darthdevious

    by HornOrSilk

    Dont' let the Doctor count them, though

  • Nov. 13, 2011, 2:12 p.m. CST

    On pacing

    by HornOrSilk

    Yes, one thing to remember, these were written at a time when one saw 22 mins/week, and it had to be something which could remind people of the week before and say something new, but not too new that it would make people lost the next week. This, on top of the fact people had slower-paced tv...

  • Nov. 13, 2011, 2:14 p.m. CST

    Time and the Meglos

    by HornOrSilk

    Yes, I too find Time and the Rani to be difficult viewing; there are a few elements in it which I appreciate, but so few and far between. Sly more than any makes it entertaining. Meglos, I've never understood any hate for it. Yes, it's not classic, but it's not bad.

  • Nov. 13, 2011, 3:03 p.m. CST


    by gotilk

    Sly does do that, and if it were not for him, that final time for The Doctor (for years) would have been dreadful. I'm still enjoying his performance as The Doctor. He was so robbed.

  • Nov. 13, 2011, 6:05 p.m. CST

    christmas special--thanks

    by bongo dummy

    man_of_vertue, thanks. I may not catch the upcoming teaser initially but I'm guessing it will be on the show's website eventually.

  • Nov. 13, 2011, 6:15 p.m. CST

    Oooh we get a trailer next Friday!

    by gotilk

    Nice. Anything else special planned for Children in Need?

  • Nov. 13, 2011, 10:52 p.m. CST

    Thanks Doctortom!

    by Kevin Bolinger

    Sadly, no Who stuff, but I did get some Transformers stuff :P

  • Nov. 13, 2011, 11:28 p.m. CST

    Thanks Hornorsilk!

    by Kevin Bolinger

    And some very good advice! :P

  • Nov. 14, 2011, 2:19 a.m. CST


    by sam jacksons wig

    Thanks for the well wishes. Don't worry about ranting regarding time and the rani. It was painful to watch, and one I will not revisit since it cropped up on a DocBack earlier this year. My comments, as always, were in general. There are always going to be episodes out there that individulas will enjoy more than others, and some that most will condemn to the scrap heap- and deservedly so. Rani is what brought about McCoys downfall for me, and eliminated any chance of me liking him or even giving him a chance. (at that time) I had just witnessed Baker who i wasn't fond of (again at that time), and Rani was a "WTF???" moment. As of late, I have been revisiting McCoy and Baker in specific, and I must say that I am enjoying most of what I am seeing. Reason? My approach to it all. Keeping that open mind for me was the most important thing. But as I've said, there are exceptions. Silver Nemesis. Time and the Rani. Dragonfire. Timelash. Twin Dilema (awful- just god awful). But for those out there that are looking at old who after the new stuff, i do believe the approach I mentioned will benefit them no end. For seasoned pro's such as yourself- oh yes, you have a RIGHT to moan!!!! :)) SJW.

  • Nov. 14, 2011, 2:37 a.m. CST

    Gotilk- thanks mate...

    by sam jacksons wig

    ...regarding you and your friend, you weren't erm....dabbling with anything when the conversation was taking place, were you???? ;))

  • Nov. 14, 2011, 2:53 a.m. CST


    by sam jacksons wig

    Physio starts today and I can't say I'm really looking forward to it. What are you writing about my friend? A novel? Or something tied into your studies?

  • Nov. 14, 2011, 4:16 a.m. CST

    sam jacksons wig

    by gotilk

    Ahh, if only my life were that interesting or dangerous. lol No. Those days are far behind and were far too short. But who knows, maybe when I'm 55-60 years old I'll sit back in front of my 12 foot virtual 3D SHD screen, pop in my old 4 TB memory stick with the entirety of Doctor Who on it (up to that point), drop a hit under my tongue and just zone out for a couple of days. Or maybe by then you won't need anything like that to trigger certain *events* coming from that handy pineal gland. SCIENCE! Retirement isn't going to be like it used to be when my generation's time arrives. Oh no. Heck, when my mom was in a care facility here, I noticed a guy there playing old SNES games. He couldn't have been older than 50. In 30 years I bet those places will be filled with old people in beds with virtual reality gear on. Now there's an image for a science fiction story. But seriously, yes my friend and I have spent about 20 years having those types of conversations. Nothing is off the table.

  • Nov. 14, 2011, 4:17 a.m. CST


    by HornOrSilk

    I can understand; but, well, hopefully it will make you stronger in the end! As for me, my dissertation work.

  • Nov. 14, 2011, 4:20 a.m. CST


    by gotilk

    Happy belated birthday!!! Hope it was all you hoped it would be. Any new appearances from the Doctor who invades a certain toy review show? (see what I did there?) Hahaha! Take care. I'll go check my subscriptions on youtube anyway.

  • Nov. 14, 2011, 4:22 a.m. CST

    SJW.. physio?

    by gotilk

    Ouch. Well give it all you've got, but be careful too. Get all well and stay that way!

  • Nov. 14, 2011, 7:47 a.m. CST


    by sam jacksons wig

    yeah. In about 1 hr and 15 minutes I will be stretched to buggery. Can't say I'm looking forward to it at all.

  • Nov. 14, 2011, 7:47 a.m. CST

    I think today is Paul McGanns birthday....

    by sam jacksons wig

    ..if I am right, have a very happy birthday, 8th Doc!!!!

  • Nov. 14, 2011, 7:48 a.m. CST


    by sam jacksons wig

    when do you finish? and what do you hope to do WHEN you pass????

  • Nov. 14, 2011, 9:10 a.m. CST

    I can't predict

    by HornOrSilk

    As for what I would do, that too is impossible to predict. I used to think I would be in academia; that's seemingly impossible now for many reasons. But I might as well finish the PhD. Then we will see what's next.

  • Nov. 14, 2011, 9:10 a.m. CST

    Yes, it is the 8th Doctor's birthday

    by HornOrSilk

    Er wait, Paul's ;)

  • I was having trouble getting the thread to refresh - just getting a blank screen. Now it's refreshed but doesn't show me any posts since 12:35 PM Friday. Weird, and I cry shenanigans!

  • Nov. 14, 2011, 1:56 p.m. CST

    It's just gotten extremely weird

    by DoctorTom

    It didn't matter how many times I refreshed, it didn't show anything after that 12:35 PM post on the 11th....until I entered the last post, whereupon everything started showing again in the thread. Definitely shenanigans going on.

  • Nov. 14, 2011, 2:24 p.m. CST

    Where is the article on the David Yates' Doctor Who movie?

    by sunspot_mike

    http:// article/VR1118046098 This is fairly huge news and this time it's not just on any Tv gossip site, it's in Variety. I don't know what to think about it yet honestly. I think the attention is good, but a reboot isn't necessary, Doctor Who is in its prime right now!

  • Nov. 14, 2011, 2:43 p.m. CST


    by Noel

    This happens every now and then. Yes Variety have reported it, so it's got veracity. And David Yates is attached and talking about plans and Jane Tranter is involved. BUT - and it's a big but - you guys on here know better than anyone that just because something is in development does not necessarily meant that it will ever see the light of day. The studios may want too many changes. It may prove too expensive for the potential market value. They may want to have the Doctor use guns and kung-fu (although both have been done in the past). This is exciting news and I will watch this with interest. It'd make a good way to end the 13th incarnation.

  • Nov. 14, 2011, 2:55 p.m. CST

    Who is going to the WhoCon in the UK? If so...

    by Michael_Jacksons_Ghost

    Can someone get my an auto 8x10 of Smith/Moff? I will pay for it, plus a tip for doing me a favor! If anyone could do this, I will do the same for you stateside as I go to many conventions through the year! Cheers

  • Nov. 14, 2011, 3:04 p.m. CST


    by Kevin Bolinger

    funny you should ask. I put the doctor in my own review show as I did the sonic screwdriver. Also, this Friday , the Doctor will have a special bit on The Breaux Show. Subscribe to both, this way you will know as soon as they are uploaded. :) But, just for you, here is my sonic screwdriver, though it does reference back to my TARDIS review, I put a link to that in the description :P I will post the new Breaux Show when it gets uploaded later this week, though it will be in the next Docback. And thanks for the birthday wishes my friend!

  • Nov. 14, 2011, 3:05 p.m. CST

    It will be interesting to see how the movie pans out

    by DoctorTom

    Jane Trantor's involved, and she showed how to relaunch Who back in 2005. On the other hand, she brought Torchwood to America with Miracle Day, so we'll have to see how it plays out. No mention of RTD being involved, but it wouldn't surprise me if he ends up with his fingers in the pie. Maybe they can get Gaiman to write it. (There's a contrarian in me though that would find it very amusing if they ended up getting Lawrence Miles involved with an early draft only to have him end up complaining about getting rewritten by others and ignoring what he was trying to do with the movie.) Right now I'm willing to bet that John Barrowman will be one of the people up for the part of The Doctor. Of course, we might find out that what's being talked about as a reboot actually ends up having David Tennant doing the film as the Doctor, whether or not it's a reboot of the series. If they're going for a complete reboot though, we'll have to see how attached they are to the idea of the TARDIS appearing like a Police box. More likely it will look like a vehicle from whoever they get to cough up for product placement money. Of course, if there going for a complete reboot, then in the movies will the Doctor actually be a Time Lord, or will that go away too? Or, was the Doctor a refugee from his planet because the Time War with the Daleks started on Gallifrey before the Doctor ever left?

  • Nov. 14, 2011, 3:16 p.m. CST


    by SminkyPinky

    The Doctor ran away from Gallifrey with a stolen TARDIS. He was on the run and an exile because he went against the Timelords by interfering (read: helping) with other species. The Time War did not start really until Genesis of the Daleks.

  • Nov. 14, 2011, 3:22 p.m. CST

    A movie outside of the show is ok, as long as it

    by Michael_Jacksons_Ghost

    has it's own universe outside of the show. Like the Cushing films. If they were smart, make the episode where Smith regenerates at the end have the cameo of the Movie Doctor. Then have to movie where the movie Doctor has been around for a month or so doing his thing, and then he meet's a new companion. After the movie, have the show feature him, or do a trilogy of the movie Doctor, while the show takes a break during that time. Then bring the show back. It could work.

  • Nov. 14, 2011, 3:30 p.m. CST


    by Noel

    For the love of God - NO! The film and the TV show should always be separate. The BBC charter explicitly states that such a thing should not happen. Any movie made will have to be standalone, with no continuity to the original series other than name, character and general storyline. To make the movie they'll have had to agree to all of this. So expect the movie to feature a separate Doctor from the TV show with an unconnected adventure which will not have any repercussions on TV.

  • Nov. 14, 2011, 3:37 p.m. CST


    by Michael_Jacksons_Ghost

    It could work, if you just have the movies, while the show takes a break. The Doctor has a companion (movie viewer) to explain the TARDIS, Timelords, etc. Would work for the new viewer, and old viewer. Then after the films, bring the show back. It wouldn't mess things up at all. Would still flow.

  • Nov. 14, 2011, 3:49 p.m. CST


    by Noel

    I can understand that that would work, but I doubt that the BBC would agree. Who is one of their biggest moneyspinners and although a movie would bring in money, it's still more of a gamble than the long-running show. An earlier idea was to have the current Doctor bookend the movie, with the main part of the adventure featuring The 10th and Rose, but from the sounds of it this has been jetissoned in favour of a standalone reboot. It's early days yet, so I shall wait and see how this develops. Hopefully Moffatt will at least have some input, even if it's only for ideas.

  • Nov. 14, 2011, 3:50 p.m. CST

    MOV, what is your take on the film version of Doctor Who?

    by Michael_Jacksons_Ghost

    Sould it be the show universe, or a seperate beast all together?

  • Nov. 14, 2011, 3:56 p.m. CST

    movie ideas

    by DimensionsPlural

    If they were to go with the 60s Dalek movie templates, and do a big-budget remake of an extant story, which story do you guys think would work well? Evil of the Daleks would be a good choice, or even Shada. Maybe big budget Zygons...? 7

  • Nov. 14, 2011, 4:04 p.m. CST


    by DoctorTom

    Did you actually read the Variety article? Some parts from it (the first three are direct quotes of Yates, who is working on the project, and the last is a statement in the article) *We're looking at writers now. We're going to spend two to three years to get it right,* *It needs quite a radical transformation to take it into the bigger arena.* *Russell T. Davies and then Steven Moffat have done their own transformations, which were fantastic, but we have to put that aside and start from scratch,* Yates made clear that his movie adaptation would not follow on from the current TV series, but would take a completely fresh approach to the material. *********** Stinkypinky, why are you assuming that they're going to stick to the traditional history for the Doctor when they explicitly stated that they're going to start fresh? The Doctor wasn't even revealed to be a Time Lord until the 2nd to last episode of the 6th season! If you look at the original pilot episode, one of the differences between the pilot and the broadcast 1st episode was that in the pilot he stated he was from the 49th century. They don't even bother revealing he's alien until later - the Time Meddler was the first story to show one of the Doctor's people (but still doesn't mention if he's an alien or if the reference to his people might have just been to people from a specific point in time). Also, look at the Peter Cushing movies. There, the Doctor is a human inventor. He's not a Time Lord. So, given all this, why do you think that they HAVE to stick with him being on the run because of some tragedy preventing him from returning (early 1st Doctor era), err, he got bored sticking around on Gallifrey (end of 2nd Doctor era), err he had to go on the run with the Hand of Omega and he's not what you think he is (7th Doctor Cartmel Master Plan era), errrr, the TARDIS selected him and stole him (Moffat era)? Hmmm, looks like there's already variation on what's going on with the Doctor's history. So, while they're making changes, why do you think that the movie will treat Genesis of the Daleks as the sacrosanct point at which the Time War started? If they're starting a movie franchise which the vast marjority of Americans haven't seen (and it's going to be done at least partially with American money if Jane Trantor's spearheading this from Los Angeles), then why wouldn't they consider introducing Daleks differently, such as combining the Time War with the Doctor having to leave Gallifrey? I'm sorry, but your post reads like you're trying to treat me as totally ignorant of the Doctor's history, which can't be further from the truth, while also ignoring what the foundation of Doctor Who is. It's a time traveller in an eccentric vehicle going around to help people and races who need it, and picking up stray companions here and there. Or, as they say in the current series, a madman in a box. With them looking to do a fresh reboot, everything else that ends up in the movie is negotiable. Battlestar Galactica didn't reboot the series showing slavish dedication to the original series, the original Doctor Who movies didn't worry about the continuity in the TV series, so there's no reason to assume that they'll pay any greater attention to the continuity for the new movie.

  • Nov. 14, 2011, 4:05 p.m. CST

    Sorry about that, sminky

    by DoctorTom

    I looked back and put stinkypinky instead of sminkypinky in the middle of the post. I wasn't intentionally trying to be insulting there, I just had a brain fart while typing. Sorry if it offended you.

  • Nov. 14, 2011, 4:16 p.m. CST

    mj's ghost

    by DoctorTom

    The best way to do it would be to avoid any continuity references altogether and neither confirm nor deny whether it's part of the same continuity as the tv series. If you have the Daleks, don't make it the first time the Doctor's seen them. If you feel you have to bring in some references like UNIT or the Time Lords, play it so that there's been some history in the past but that it doesn't matter if it's a completely different continuity or if we're just happening to follow the 214th regeneration of the Doctor in the movies. (You have the Doctor give his age as thousands of years old, if it comes up at all, so that it could be accomodated either way.) I suspect though, that the movie will get into the Doctor's backstory and change a lot of things, and make it obvious that it's not the same universe as the tv series. Or, just reference a series of Time Wars and blame differences on the third great Time War and let that explain everything. Daleks invade Gallifrey early and change the Doctor's personal history? Third Time War. Time Lords are back again? They got brought back and ended up precipitating another Time War. Timelash, The Twin Dilemma and Time and the Rani get written out of existence? Third Time War. (or possible Faction Paradox activity, which you might get if they get Lawrence Miles involved)

  • Nov. 14, 2011, 4:33 p.m. CST


    by Michael_Jacksons_Ghost

    I am for it anyway. But, I don't know about having to follow two different universes. Smallville did it when Superman Returns came out, and it was a major distraction for followers of the show. I can see it being the same for Doctor Who.

  • Nov. 14, 2011, 4:50 p.m. CST

    mj's ghost - one other option they have

    by DoctorTom

    They might go the JJ Abrams Star Trek route to deliberately reboot the Who universe. The problem with doing this, though, is that I would think they're trying to go for the people who don't watch the tv show, so would be confused by the stuff that needed rebooting. In this case it would probably turn into a variant of one of the mistakes of the Paul McGann movie - giving infodumps that confuse people who haven't seen Who before, and slow down things for people who have.

  • Nov. 14, 2011, 5:19 p.m. CST


    by Michael_Jacksons_Ghost

    Or have it as a seperate universe, but maybe visit the show universe for a minute, and having the Movie version explain about alternate dimensions. A quick cameo like that would still leave the movie as it's own thing, while still connecting to the show.

  • Nov. 14, 2011, 5:29 p.m. CST

    Herc!!!!!! You knew about the planned film all along didn't you!?

    by Michael_Jacksons_Ghost

    That is why anytime you would do a topic containing to Doctor Who, you would add into it "Movie version" for the anniversary. You knew someone over here in the states with plans of doing the movie, and that is why you kept going on and on about it. You sneeky bastard! lol

  • Nov. 14, 2011, 5:40 p.m. CST

    Doctor Who Movie

    by Mister Vertue

    If they're making it, then I know absolutely *nothing* about it and it'll have absolutely *nothing* to do with the current tv show. That's all I can tell you. If you want my best guess, I'd say it was a load of old bollocks. But what do I know eh

  • Nov. 14, 2011, 6:43 p.m. CST


    by Kevin Bolinger

    With that coming from you, then it is just as I suspected, something that will have no connection to the nearly 50 years of Who cannon. I do not know if we should be excited by such a prospect, or disgusted. Personally, if the current Who production staff is not involved, it will not be worth my time.

  • Nov. 15, 2011, 2:35 a.m. CST

    I think we all need to remember a BIG thing......

    by sam jacksons wig

    ..IF this movie gets greenlit and IF they come up with a story/script that will work, it will be controlled by tjhe STUDIO who puts up the money. That will make the movie product and any merchandise et.c the studios property. That pretty much means that they will be able to do whatever they please. And as the basic principle of any studio is to make money, if that means starting out "fresh" and producing a product that is not canon, they will do it. Heck, they don't even have to appease the fans should they not wish to. I'm not saying that wont happen as we will probably get a nod and a wink and a classic baddie as a cameo, but I think we're fooling ourselves if we hink it's going to be anything close to the spirit and style of the show. I will still buy my ticket. Who wouldn't????

  • Nov. 15, 2011, 2:44 a.m. CST

    MOV vs Movie Part II

    by Master of Zinj

    Let's all just ignore this big movie pile of poop, shall we? Just as long as it doesn't affect the TV show, they can do what they like with it.* It just rankles me that a) someone thought a Hollywood movie - HOLLYWOOD! - would be a great idea and b) that they think that now's a great time to bring something brand-diluting out, when Doctor Who is doing brilliantly. Slow and slightly menacing clap to whoever at the BBC is involved in this. Personally, I love it on the telly. *By this phrase, I of course mean the opposite, but I shall play it cool and whistle/twitch while they destroy one of my favourite characters on the screen.

  • As for a Doctor Who movie, there are only two ways I would want it to go: Canon with Paul McGann or Peter Cushing sequel with a certain fan favorite actor returning to see a Power of the Daleks remake. Otherwise, I don't see what the point of a reboot movie for Doctor Who.

  • Nov. 15, 2011, 6:38 a.m. CST

    Yates apparently has a reputation for announcing movies

    by V'Shael

    where he doesn't have the rights. I'd take this with a grain of salt.

  • Nov. 15, 2011, 8:48 a.m. CST

    Agreed about that, v'shael

    by DoctorTom

    The only thing making me want to give this some credit are the statements about Jane Trantor being involved. We'll have to see if there are any forthcoming confirmations or denials from her about this. Thinking about the potential movie last night, I started thinking that they might decide that in order to appease the people who remember the tv show, the TARDIS would eventually look like a police box, but I suspect that we'll get an origin story and we'll get to see the TARDIS changing shape - we might just get it stopping in England at some point in the movie, changing to look like a police box and getting stuck in that shape (maybe near the end of the movie).

  • Nov. 15, 2011, 9:28 a.m. CST

    Official BBC statement on the movie, for what it's worth

    by DoctorTom

    A Doctor Who feature film remains in development w/ BBC Worldwide Productions in LA. As of yet no script, cast or production crew in place. ***** Well, the article mentions that there are no scripts yet, and BBC proper is probably considering that Yates isn't locked in yet until he comes up with a good package that they'll approve. It doesn't invalidate what he's said about working with Trantor, it's probably more that he's just trying to work out a pitch for a Doctor Who movie. The key takeaway from the BBC statement though is that they are looking to develop a Doctor Who movie in Hollywood. Given that, it wouldn't be surprising if whenever it happens they start from scratch.

  • Nov. 15, 2011, 9:53 a.m. CST

    I think this quote is appropriate...

    by Mister Vertue

    "Egomaniacs of average intelligence or less often end up in the field of tv journalism." - Tina Fey. I think she summed this whole thing up very nicely.

  • Nov. 15, 2011, 10:23 a.m. CST


    by gotilk

    Oh, that's a beautiful quote.

  • Nov. 15, 2011, 10:27 a.m. CST

    Actually, thinking about it

    by DoctorTom

    if we're ever going to have any hope of seeing the Doctor meet Hunter S Thompson, it would need to be in a movie. I suspect that Hunter's drug use would be something that the show couldn't get into during Saturday teatime, and you can't really do Hunter S Thompson without having the drugs. Now, in a movie that's being done by the American branch, they can have Hunter in his drug-fueled glory, and they could even try to get Johnny Depp to play Hunter (in a three-peat for Depp).

  • Nov. 15, 2011, 10:29 a.m. CST

    And as much as I love a good Daleks story...

    by gotilk

    can anyone even imagine a big screen Dalek threat translating well to a feature film? Well, with success? I can imagine them doing things like having 2 child companions. Or perhaps a big cliffhanger with no sequel. I started off being very enthusiastic about the idea, but after thinking about it a little more I am becoming more pessimistic. I hope they can pull it off and give us a great story.

  • Nov. 15, 2011, 10:34 a.m. CST

    master of zinj

    by gotilk

    That was my stripper name, Whistle and Twitch, back when I used to strip with a little person with epilepsy as a partner. (nods to Craig Ferguson)

  • Nov. 15, 2011, 11:16 a.m. CST

    gotilk - the Daleks

    by DoctorTom

    I had also been thinking that they wouldn't even need to have the Daleks involved in the story. That doesn't mean they won't use them, but they don't have to. If they're trying to gear the movie more for an American audience, they don't have to deal with the built-in desire to see Daleks that the British public has. That said, it wouldn't surprise me to see them in some form. Like I said, if they start from scratch they might decide to use the Time War (or A time war) as the reason the Doctor had to leave Gallifrey. For all we know, they might decide to do a variant on Genesis of the Daleks, and have it be a response to the Dalek invasion of Gallifrey instead of being one of the initial causes of the Time War. I also suspect that the Terry Nation estate, smelling hypothetical Hollywood money, might try to jack up the fee to use the Daleks to a level that the BBC won't want to pay. That would definitely put them out of the picture. I wouldn't see them doing the Cybermen in the movie, though, even as a substitute for not being able to use Daleks. People who don't know the history of the show would probably claim that they're trying to rip off the Borg, the Cylons or Terminators.

  • Nov. 15, 2011, 11:48 a.m. CST

    So, Doctor Who christmas ornaments

    by DoctorTom

    are being included in a bundle with the Season 6 DVD set in England, but do we get that option for them to be bundled in the US? NOOOOOOOO! I'd like to get the handcrafted glass TARDIS and Dalek ornaments. Hopefully they show up in some stores over here before Christmas.

  • Nov. 15, 2011, 11:57 a.m. CST

    Kamelion will be in the movie

    by DoctorTom

    played by a Sony Aibo

  • Nov. 15, 2011, 11:59 a.m. CST

    Glass TARDIS?

    by gotilk

    Sounds lovely. Would look amazing with a blue led inside.

  • Nov. 15, 2011, 12:06 p.m. CST

    Gotilk - the ornaments

    by DoctorTom

    They show the ornaments on the Doctor Who News page.

  • Nov. 15, 2011, 3:41 p.m. CST

    Thanks doctortom

    by gotilk

    They look great, better than I'd imagined.

  • Nov. 15, 2011, 4:09 p.m. CST

    Moffat tweets in response to Yates' movie announcement

    by DoctorTom

    His tweet: Announcing my personal moonshot, starting from scratch. No money, no plan, no help from NASA. But I know where the moon is – I’ve seen it.

  • Nov. 15, 2011, 4:18 p.m. CST

    Moffats Tweet about the Moon shot...

    by V'Shael

    Funniest thing I've seen in ages.

  • Nov. 15, 2011, 6:53 p.m. CST


    by Renee Knowles

    The idea of two child companions makes me shudder. Because then they will make it into a childrens movie. And unless their name is Pixar, no one in America does childrens movies that also appeal to adults. No one.

  • Nov. 15, 2011, 8:17 p.m. CST

    Sorry, couldn't help myself

    by Greg

    I meant to check out War Machines after finishing up Seeds of Doom, Hornorsilk. Just got a bit caught up and had to check out the next couple of Fourth Doctor stories. I just finished Hand of Fear so I think I've reached a good enough stopping point before diving into the Deadly Assassin. I'll check out War Machines (this time I swear).

  • Nov. 16, 2011, 1:55 a.m. CST


    by gotilk

    Spot on. Truth.

  • Nov. 16, 2011, 1:58 a.m. CST

    Weird dream during a nap....

    by gotilk

    I had a dream that John Lennon's (and Beatle's) *number 9* thing was directly related to this episode in some secret way and I was researching it at the library with a long-legged redhead that was NOT Amy Pond. Never got to the point where we found anything, but it was *clear* to us that there was a connection. Odd. Very odd. Guess I shouldn't fall asleep watching old Doctor Who on Youtube. Or.... maybe actually I SHOULD. That redhead was cute.

  • Nov. 16, 2011, 2:15 a.m. CST

    Nice to see the site working well again.

    by gotilk

    Earlier when I was going to post, every other page was an error. I was afraid it would end up like the quotes bug... never fixed. ever. Whew.

  • I wouldn't exactly call Kick Ass a children's movie. I'd agree that the odds would be extremely stacked against a Who movie being able to pull off having kids without it being seen as a kid's movie though. Unless you cast Frankie Boyle as the Doctor, then you'll just hear people complaining about child endangerment if they include children with him.

  • Nov. 16, 2011, 11:15 a.m. CST

    Where having kids as companions could work -

    by DoctorTom

    as a one off for a Christmas special on tv. It would be amusing to see John and Gillian as companions for one story. Then again, I'd like to see Matt Smith give the young Amelia Pond a special Christmas trip in the TARDIS for one adventure (telling her she'll have to wait for further adventures, so that she'd still be the Girl Who Waited).

  • Nov. 16, 2011, 6:14 p.m. CST


    by Renee Knowles

    I absolutely agree it's possible... just that no one in America seems capable/willing to do it. Okay, let's take Kick Ass. Even if the Doctor's two child companions were just like Hit Girl, they would have to tone down the swearing and blood to make it PG or PG-13. I guarantee you a film made for an American audience would treat it like Spy Kids (or rather, what I imagine Spy Kids was like, which I'm guessing is probably pretty close to what it actually was).

  • Nov. 16, 2011, 6:15 p.m. CST

    Forgot to mention... doctortom

    by Renee Knowles

    Absolutely agree on the Christmas special.

  • Nov. 17, 2011, 7:56 a.m. CST

    Link to firt image from the forthcoming Xmas special...

    by sam jacksons wig Looks dramatic and doesn't show too much. Enjoy!!!

  • Nov. 17, 2011, 7:57 a.m. CST

    pissed myself laughing at Moffs tweet..

    by sam jacksons wig's good to know that NO-ONE knows shit!!!

  • Nov. 17, 2011, 12:18 p.m. CST

    Children In Need

    by Terry

    To any of the UK Docbackers, is it possible for a US citizen to donate to the Children In Need drive tomorrow night? If my favorite show can go to the time and trouble to shoot a special spot for it, I think I can open up my wallet to help out. If not, SJW, would it be possible to set something up where I could donate through you? I don't believe in challenging a group of people to do something like this, but I would ask that if you have a spare bit of coin to please consider it? It will help kids (my favorite charities) and maybe say a bit of thanks for giving us a little taste of Who before the Christmas special. Thanks!

  • Nov. 17, 2011, 7:28 p.m. CST

    War Machines

    by Greg

    Just finished it, and it is certainly very watchable. Fast paced in comparison to some other b/w Who I've seen so far, the computer using the modem noise to hypnotize people was fun, something similar to Skynet vastly predating Terminator, and I liked the companions in this much more than the other three companions I had seen so far for the First Doctor.

  • When thinking of worst possible scenarios, that just popped into my head. Well, that and Eric Roberts returning as the Master. yeeeesh. (It's morning, second day of shooting on the new Doctor Who motion picture. The director arrives at the studio and enters building 3, to check on the set-ups for the day.) Director: (looks around in a panic) WHERE ARE MY SETS!!??!! WHERE IS MY SCENERY!!?? Assistant: Sir, umm, it seems Mr Roberts arrived early this morning and ate them, sir. Why is it whenever I write dialogue for any assistant of any kind for ANYONE... I hear Waylon Smithers' (Simpsons) in my head? Anyway... so yes, the idea of child companions would be fun for one episode of the TV show. Or heck, it could even work for a while ON THE SHOW. But not for long. My other fears for the film version of the Doctor would be (in no order of importance) a. Making him too violent, or showing him using weapons. b. Making him either TOO quirky and comedic OR too serious without any humour whatsoever. c. As mentioned before, I fear (and I understand that it doesn't make sense*) BOTH that they stick to canon AND that they will not. The former because if it's a terrible film, it would carry over really dumb things into the show. The latter because it could be AMAZING and would be completely disconnected from the TV show, which could not (for whatever reason) adapt to the changes that made the film great. OR because the film goes against canon , we could see the TV show try to follow the new direction and ABANDON where the show was going before due to perceived demand. d. I fear someone taking that essence away from the show that makes it so marvelous. That purity, that optimistic, wide-eyed enthusiasm. Lose that, and it's not Doctor Who anymore. And it would be terrible if the film made huge amounts of cash and convinced some new producer that it would be best to abandon that essence in favor of whatever they replace it with. (disdain for or fear of alien life forms replacing that sense of wonder and genuine interest could easily happen in the wrong writer's hands) e. As much as I think this opposition to the Doctor having ANY love interest EVER is ultimately a little over-the-top and kind of bizarre on some level.... I still think it would be a BIG cheat to give The Doctor a love story in the film. I think it would be cheap and easy, for a character that has not really had a tendency to fall in love at the drop of a hat and seems almost to look at women with a sort of *eww, cooties* reaction at times. ESPECIALLY when it comes to companions... what a normal warm-blooded, single-hearted male would look at as almost *easy prey*. I think it would be lazy writing, and very much pandering. And if the goal is to make teenage girls get all *swoony* and start writing fanfic on Livejournal, giving him a love interest wouldn't work as well as making him seem unavailable or noble/honourable for avoiding a relationship due to his *lifestyle*. f. Finally, I fear that they will build these huge, wonderful, out-of-this-world, standard-setting sets, including more rooms in the TARDIS, and STRIKE THEM AFTER SHOOTING instead of sharing them with the TV production, forcing them to match or even worse ... approximate the greatness of the film version. Scary. And as a side note, I would like to suggest that they film in Wales, and even before filming begins... start building these new sets. Then, when and if the film gets cancelled, the TV production can use them and utilize the extra budget to improve effects, hire more great outside writers and actors, or even shoot in locations that are not a quarry. (heh... gotta get that jab in from time to time... I know.. horrible..) That's about it. And again, I write a longer post only at the last minute, assuring that about 3 people will actually get a chance to read it. Oh well. It's fun to do anyway. Love you all. See you tomorrow!! Be well! *part of why ultimately, perhaps it isn't a good idea after all?

  • Nov. 18, 2011, 4:32 a.m. CST

    sam jacksons wig

    by gotilk

    Thanks for the pic! We all love corridors and running! How could we not? lol

  • Nov. 18, 2011, 4:42 a.m. CST

    Interesting... anyone know what the *first* is?

    by gotilk *There'll be a sneak peak of the Christmas Special plus a brief treat for anyone who can't wait until December to catch up with our favourite Time Lord! Written by Steven Moffat and starring Matt Smith as the Doctor, the Children in Need exclusive represents a first in the history of Doctor Who... But we'll tell you more about that nearer the end of the week!* How could we get any nearer? Anyone find out what the first is?

  • Nov. 18, 2011, 4:49 a.m. CST

    phineas! Nice to see you. Donate here at this link...

    by gotilk There you can donate via paypal, or you could use a credit card. You've inspired me to do the same. A small amount, times are tough. But an amount. Times are a lot tougher for a LOT of kids out there. Thanks for bringing it up. All this talk about the event, and I never stopped for a moment to consider the charity itself. Good on you! Be well and keep being great! See you on the next DocBack.

  • Nov. 18, 2011, 4:52 a.m. CST


    by gotilk

    Heh. Compelled.

  • Nov. 18, 2011, 5:04 a.m. CST

    Just noticed something and I'm not sure why I have not before

    by gotilk

    The Doctor sure puts his hand open out in front of himself a lot in promo shots. Look at the front page right now. THREE images of him doing it. The camera appears to love his palm.

  • Nov. 18, 2011, 5:05 a.m. CST


    by gotilk

    Posting last one last time out of nostalgia. I hope it's not disruptive.

  • Nov. 18, 2011, 6:50 a.m. CST

    christmas special trailer

    by murren

    airs on BBC one tonight between 20.00-20.30 GMT

  • Nov. 18, 2011, 9:18 a.m. CST

    Happy Birthday to the Moff!

    by Terry

    Happy Birthday Mr. Moffat! Being a half century old isn't that bad at all. :p May you have many more years ahead of you!

  • Nov. 18, 2011, 9:20 a.m. CST


    by Terry

    Thank you very much for the link. Will be using it as soon as I can. :) And good to see you sir! Very much looking forward to the teaser and little scene tonight, though I will have to wait until some kind soul posts it on Youtube. Have a fantastic Friday everyone and see you all in the new Docback later.

  • Nov. 18, 2011, 9:25 a.m. CST

    Gotilk and Children is Need

    by Terry

    Yeah, I understand. Times are tough here too. But thankfully I still have a decent job. Any contribution at all helps. There is no such thing as an insignificant amount for a donation. It is amazing what 20 dollars or pounds can do to help some child in need. Thank you for donating what ever amount you can. Feels good, doesn't it? :d