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"The Hounds Of Baskerville" And "The Android Invasion" Overrun The Friday Lockback/Docback!! SHERLOCK (Story #5), DOCTOR WHO (Story #83), And More!!

 

 

Stephen Fry's TARDIS -vs- Sylveters McCoy's Doctor in an audio adventure outake.  

Via @MinisterChance

 

 

Merrick here...

...with a look at "The Android Invasion," a four part Tom Baker DOCTOR WHO adventure which aired November 22 - December 13, 1975.  This week also brings us the second of three new SHERLOCK telefilms - specifically the Mark Gatiss scripted "Hounds of Baskerville."  

 

THIS WEEK ON SHERLOCK: "THE HOUNDS OF BASKERVILLE"!! 

      

        
Last Sunday brought us "A Scandal in Belgravia" - the astonishing return of the Steven Moffat and Mark Gatiss television modernization of Arthur Conan Doyle's source material.  
 
Impeccably photographed, immaculately performed, smartly scored, and mesmorizingly scripted - "Scandal" will, without a doubt, emerge as one of television's very highest achievements in 2012.  Which makes the story airing on the first day of the year more than a tad regrettable. 
 
This Sunday brings us the second of three new SHERLOCKs, "The Hounds of Baskerville" - a Gatiss scripted spin on the Doyle title.
 
 

This BBC tease descries the tale thusly:  

Something terrible has happened to Henry Knight; Sherlock and John investigate the truth about the monstrous creature which apparently killed their client's father. A hound from hell? What seems like fantasy in Baker Street is a very different prospect in the ultra-secret army base that looms over Dartmoor.
 

 

Directed by Paul McGuigan, who also helmed last week's utterly sublime SHERLOCK offering, "Hounds" transmits at 8:30 PM this Sunday on BBC One.  It has a lot to live up to, following "Scandal" and all, but early word is "Hounds" holds its own rather well.  Fingers crossed...

While we wait, you can find clips of fourth Doctor Tom Baker's appeareance in a previous "Hounds" adaptaion HERE.  

 

 

"THE ANDROID INVASION"  (Story #83) 

 

Written by Terry Nation (creator of the Daleks among many other illustrious credits), “The Android Invasion” finds the TARDIS  - “way overdue for a 500 year service" - materializing in the woods near Devesham.  While exploring the area, the Doctor (Tom Baker) and companion Sarah Jane (Elisabeth Sladen) encounter eerie, white clad figures with fingertip guns - and a hapless UNIT operative who apparently plunges to his death.
 
That same UNIT operative, and those same finger gun jerks, later show up in Devesham - which the Doctor and Sarah Jane quickly learn has been completely and mysteriously abandoned.  Except for the truck load of zombified townsfolk said operative is escorting into place, who mysteriously come to life when the clocks strike 8.  What’s going on with these people?  What secrets does Devesham hide?  And what happens when all is not as it seems?  
 
 
On the extras for this DVD, producer Philip Hinchcliffe suggests that this story isn’t as popular as it might’ve been due to the presence of some dubiously designed aliens called the Kraal.  

For my money, this isn’t the case at all - I actually found the Kraal less dodgy than a few creatures featured in other more popular stories.  The main reason “The Android Invasion” isn’t discussed more frequently - for my money - is because it is wholly unremarkable.  This sounds like a slight, but I genuinely do not mean it in a pejorative sense.  Let me explain...
 
Swiftly directed by former WHO producer Barry Letts, the story features a script from Terry Nation which is almost completely devoid of the lag and sag which characterized some of his earlier WHO works.  Proceedings here are brisk, tight, and performances range from solidly enjoyable to somewhat interesting across the board.  The chemistry between Tom Baker’s Doctor and Elisabeth Sladen’s Sarah Jane is undeniable, they feel so in-sync with each other that the two are almost eerie at times.  Classic interaction for a deservedly legendary on-screen duo.  I love these shots...

   

   

With so many “good” elements, why didn’t “Android Invasion” ultimately resonate more fully in historical sense?  Because, for all of its solidity, it’s also somewhat (as I said above) unremarkable.  There’s nothing here which distinguishes “The Android Invasion” as being noteworthy in terms of concept or execution - nor do any particular elements contribute to a downfall.  It is breezy, smartly structured, amusingly conceived and presented, generally competent, and utterly safe.  
 
Kudos to director Letts and Incidental Music composer Dudley Simpson for recognizing the eerie significance of an early sequence in which mysterious figures re-populate an ‘abandoned’ town - these extended moments play chiefly in silence, with feet shuffling and other occasional ambient sounds bleeding in - but no score it all.  Quite effective.  And an affectionate tip of the hat to whomever conceived of the close-up shot of the Sonic Screwdriver sucking screws out of a hatchway. 'Tis the kind of simple, even obvious, shot many shows would overlook - but also the kind of minutia which sells a “universe” and nicely maintains the “illusion” storytellers are trying to uphold.  
 
A fun, fast, interesting, but ultimately frivolous little yarn which is highly recommended for spontaneous “escape” viewing after a tiring day, but hardly likely to shake the pillars of WHOven.  

 

Extras include...

 

 

"The Village That Came To Life"

 

Nicholas Briggs, current Dalek voicer, hosts .

 

Includes...

 

-- Barry Letts (director of this episode)...

 

-- Philip Hinchcliffe (Producer)...

 

-- Disccuses this episode's  unceremonious and official exit of companion Harry Sullivan (Ian Marter)  and UNIT's Benton (John Levine)...

 

--  Hinchliffe discusses the selection of former DW producer Barry Letts as director of this story...

 

-- Martin Friend (who played a Styggron in this story)

 

--  Milton Johns (who played astronaut Guy Crayford)

 

-- Discusses Tom Baker falling I'll after swallowing "an unhealthy amount" of pond water while filming a stunt

 

-- Discussion of locations appearing in the episode...

 

-- A visit to a local pub introduces us to townsfolk who were around when the episode filmed there...

 

-- Discusses Hinchcliffe's misgivings regarding Kraal design (pic?)

 

-- Discusses the fateful decision to ignore a glaring story error because the production didn't have the time to shoot the required sequence to smooth out that plot point.  They thought no one would notice - many did.  The moment in question pertains to the re-appearance of an android we'd previously seen deactivated, with no explanation.  There was apparently a sequence planned which explained this plot movement, but the production ran out of time and couldn't shoot it.  

 

-- Discusses misgivings about a flimsy plot gag involving a character discovering his eyepatched eye is actually "good" and useable...

 

 

 

 

"Life After WHO:  Philip Hinchcliffe"

 

Producer Philip Hinchcliffe's daughter Celina...

 

 

...discusses her father's post extensive post WHO career with clips from his shows and discussion with Philip. Includes insight about and/or clips from SHOESTRING, TARGET, PRIVATE SHULZ ("I'm surrounded by incompetence and copulation!"), NANCY ASTOR (bery early Pierce Brosnan), STRANGERS AND BROTHERS (Anthony Hopkins), KNOCKBACK, BUST, THE CHARMER, VIRTUOSO (Alfred Molina), THE GRAVY TRAIN, FRIDAY ON MY MIND (Christopher Eccleston), and AN AWFULLY BIG ADVENTURE (the Mike Newell directedn feature film starrting Alan Rickman, High Grant, and Peter Firth).  Hinchcliiffe comes across as a very cool badass in this interview.  

 

 

 

 

"Weetabix" advertisement starring a Dalek 

 

 

Promo for upcoming DVD release of "The Sensorites"

 

 

PDF of Weetabix promos from 1975 & 1977 and Radio Times Listings 

 

 

"The Android Invasion” DVD releases January 9 in U.K and January 10 in the U.S. You can find it HERE in the U.S. and HERE in the U.K. 
 

 

 

NEXT WEEK

DOCTOR WHO "Invasion of the Dinosaurs" (Pertwee, Story #71)

(now available HERE in the U.S. and HERE in the U.K.)

SHERLOCK "The Reichenbach Fall" (Story #6) 

 

 

   

 

 

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"An Unearthly Child" (Story #1)

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"The Edge of Destruction" (Story #3)

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"The Keys of Marinus(Story #5)

"The Aztecs" (Story #6)

"The Sensorites" (Story #7)

"The Reign of Terror" (Story #8)

"Planet of Giants" (Story #9) 

"The Dalek Invasion of Earth" (Story #10)

"The Rescue" (Story #11) 

"The Romans"  (Story #12) 

"The Web Planet" (Story #13) / SHERLOCK - "A Scandal in Belgravia" (Story #4)

"The Gunfighters" (Story #25)

"The Colony in Space" (Story #58) 

"Day of the Daleks" (Story #60) + Preview of the DotD Special Edition

"The Talons of Weng-Chiang" (Story #91)

"The Sun Makers(Story #95)

"The Awakening" (Story #131)

"Frontios(Story #132)

"Time and the Rani" (Story #144)

"Paradise Towers" (Story #145) + New WHOvian Documentary / Newsbits

DOCTOR WHO: THE COMPLETE SIXTH SERIES 

Merrick's Personal Journey With The Doctor (How Merrick Got Hooked On DOCTOR WHO)

DOCTOR WHO Title Sequences & DW At Comic-Con 2011

"The Crash of the Elysium" (Manchester version - interactive DOCTOR WHO adventure)

Why Eccleston Left, Here Comes Caroline Skinner, And Season/Series Six Part 1 on Blu-Ray And DVD

New Trailer For Season/Series Six Part 2

 

 

 
DOCBACK/LOCKBACK CODE OF CONDUCT
 
1) a Docback/Lockback should be about completely open and free discourse regarding all things WHO or SHERLOCK (with, obviously, some variation on subject matter from time to time - the real world intervenes, discussions of other shows are inevitable, etc.)... 

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And, above all... 

3) converse, agree, disagree, and question as much as you want - but the freedom to do so is NOT a license to be rude, crass, disrespectful, or uncivilized in any way.  Not remaining courteous and civil, as well as TROLLING or undertaking sensational efforts to ignite controversy, will result in banning.  Lack of courtesy may receive one (1) warning before a ban is instigated.  Obvious Trolling or Spamming will result in summary banning with no warning.  One word posts intended to bump-up any Docback's figures on AICN's "Top Talkbacks" sidebar will be considered actionable Spam - they not only complicate efforts to access Docback.Lockback from mobile devices, but impede readers' abilities to follow or engage in flowing conversation. 
 
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  • Of course, Hounds is going to be better.. but still.. it will be interesting to compare the two...

  • Jan. 6, 2012, 10:46 a.m. CST

    And yes, Android Invasion is fluff

    by HornOrSilk

    But what makes it important is as you mentioned, the end of Harry Sullivan and Sgt Benton on Who.

  • There just doesn't seem to be a lot of meat on the bone, as it were. So I was initially a little bummed when I heard it was one of their series 2 installments, especially when we've only got 3 in total. However, in light of last week's insanely awesome premiere and seeing what they did with that (even though "Bohemia" is one of my fave SH stories already anyway) I'm still expecting to be thoroughly entertained.

  • Jan. 6, 2012, 10:50 a.m. CST

    The geekiest joke you'll hear today.

    by Peter

    Why are Daleks bald? /\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\ < E X F O L I A T E ! > \/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/ (you have to do the voice)

  • Jan. 6, 2012, 10:51 a.m. CST

    I rather love the Android Invasion

    by mr. smith

    precisely because it was during the peak of the Baker/Sladen magic.

  • Jan. 6, 2012, 10:52 a.m. CST

    Dammit. A good (Ok, bad) jok ruined by dodgy comment system.

    by Peter

    Let's try again. Why are Daleks bald? E X F O L I A T E ! (Hopefully this post worked. If not, goodbye forever.)

  • Jan. 6, 2012, 10:53 a.m. CST

    hornorsilk

    by Merrick

    Ha! I've been trying to do just that all morning! The site is fighting me at the moment and embeds are nightmarish for some reason. I went ahead and added a link out to a few YouTubes...

  • Jan. 6, 2012, 11:01 a.m. CST

    merrick -- got you

    by HornOrSilk

    Yes, I don't know how the site works behind the scenes, but I can understand, knowing how computers sometimes randomly seem to do nothing right!

  • Jan. 6, 2012, 11:03 a.m. CST

    petermck: EXFOLIATE ?

    by higgledyhiggles

  • Jan. 6, 2012, 11:05 a.m. CST

    damn should read all the messages.. FORNICATE

    by higgledyhiggles

  • ... So a "story" is what we would call an "episode", right? Just out of curiosity, since we would call an ongoing TV show itself, in it's entirety, a "series", and since you guys use that word to mean "season", what would you call the show itself? Just a "show" or is there another word for it?

  • Jan. 6, 2012, 11:13 a.m. CST

    Android Invasion! Yeah!

    by sunspot_mike

    That's a true classic. But I always enjoyed Harry and thought he was a great companion and him and Sarah and Tom were an excellent team before we moved into the Doctor/Leela/Romana stuff of the late 70's (which was great because it was the first time the show was fully alien!) Also, Baker's Hound of the Baskervilles is pretty good. I only saw it once when I was a kid and it was on a local TV as one of their late night movies, but I thought he did a pretty good job. I don't remember too much of it beyond the initial excitement of the Doctor being Sherlock Holmes, but even though he wasn't Jeremy Brett or Basil Rathbone (the Holmes I'd seen the most up to that point) I was picky and I think he acquitted himself pretty well. He did a good job with the aloofness of the character.

  • Jan. 6, 2012, 11:18 a.m. CST

    Android Invasion

    by DoctorTom

    I think it isn't as highly regarded because it paled in comparison to the other stories that season. When you get Terror of the Zygons, Pyramids of Mars, Brain of Morbius, Planet of Evil and Seeds of Doom as the other stories in the season, it's going to take an above average story to hold its own. Android Invasion isn't quite good enough, but comes close. It's certainly much better than the pap that Nation churned out for Pertwee - I think it's probably Robert Holmes influencing the story. Also, Hinchcliffe was right to have misgivings about the plot bit with the eyepatch. Watching this story had me hear about ginger beer for the first time (we had ginger ale in the States, but not ginger beer). This got me drinking ginger beer on occasion during college.

  • Jan. 6, 2012, 11:21 a.m. CST

    Good morning DocBack!(LockBack)

    by gotilk

    I'm so looking forward to Hounds, and I also quite enjoyed The Android Invasion, in spite of Merrick's criticisms being accurate and fair. Just really loved The Doctor and Sarah Jane's chemistry , the creepy (almost) empty town and the dodgy but creepy androids themselves. Great fun! Out of the Baker years I've seen (and re-watched after decades) I would give it 3 out of 5 stars. But to put it into a kind of perspective... 3 stars when it comes to Who is like a kind of worship or dedication. 4 stars would be along the lines of possibly building a shrine (City Of Death?) and 5 stars would be a kind of ecstasy almost indescribable without bordering on profanity. So ... there you go. petermck: That was hilarious!! (and please don't leave us) I imagine the quotation mark bug will be fixed at some point this year. I think what must be complicating a fix is the evidence that in fact SOME people have used quotes. It's not just the quotation marks themselves or it would NEVER work, when in fact it sometimes does work. Don't have to be Sherlock to work that one out, but it requires some observation. I just use * instead of a quotation mark. Works for now.

  • Jan. 6, 2012, 11:27 a.m. CST

    Hmmm, ultra secret army base in Dartmoor in Hounds

    by DoctorTom

    maybe it's not a hound so much as a werewolf. We might get our Doctor Who crossover here, with the army base holding the members of the royal family that were more suspectible to the Werewolf virus that the Queen got in Tooth and Claw.... (probably not, though).

  • Sad they put John Levene (Cpl/Sgt./Officer Benton) out to pasture after stints w/ UNIT in the Troughton, Pertwee & (minimally) Baker years. Also bid a quiet adieu to the late Ian Marter's "Harry Sullivan". I recall the Brigadier was "in Geneva" during this story, so sadly, Nicholas Courtney would quietly fade until his return in the 5th doctor serial 'Mawdryn Undead'. So sad. Story wasn't the greatest either, though I did like the look of the Kraals & their armor. Overall, this one was a bit of a whiff for the mighty Hinchcliffe 'Golden Age' of Doctor Who... Also greatly enjoyed last week's Sherlock season 2 premiere - high marks especially for "The Woman"

  • Jan. 6, 2012, 11:29 a.m. CST

    Good morning, gotilk!

    by DoctorTom

    I'm fully convinced the quotation mark bug will never be fixed. We'll be stuck using * for time immemorium here. So, how far along are you in Ready Player One?

  • Jan. 6, 2012, 11:32 a.m. CST

    doctortorn = Tom Baker's BBC HOUND adaptation from the 80s

    by obijuanmartinez

    Dude! I saw this one once too once upon a decade - would love to see it again, but can't find it via legit or file-sharing paths. Wish TB had done more! (Guess 'Talons of WC' counts as a semi-entry here...)

  • Jan. 6, 2012, 11:33 a.m. CST

    Oops - make that sunspot mike, not doctortorn...

    by obijuanmartinez

  • Jan. 6, 2012, 11:33 a.m. CST

    obijuanmartinez - good point

    by DoctorTom

    I had forgotten that they said the Brig was in Geneva during this story. I guess he hadn't yet gotten involved in the issues in Peru that took up his later life. Of course, originally the Brig was going to come back at the end of the season when Hand of Fear was originally a 6 parter that would have taken place in the 1990s and would have had the Brig die during the story (flying a rocket, no less - we would have finally had a UNIT spaceship, though probably not looking like the one on the cover of the US version of the Day of the Daleks novelization). I'm glad they didn't kill him then. The nod to him in The Wedding of River Song was probably the best way they could have handled the Brig's passing.

  • Jan. 6, 2012, 11:45 a.m. CST

    And where can I see Sherlock in the states?

    by Phil Connors

    Such a tease.

  • Jan. 6, 2012, 11:48 a.m. CST

    phil connors

    by DoctorTom

    PBS will be showing these Sherlock stories later in the year - I've heard people say May, I've heard some people say the summer. Season/Series 1 is out on DVD. It's probably also available through iTunes and the other usual suspects.

  • Jan. 6, 2012, 11:50 a.m. CST

    Went back and watched A Study In Pink last night

    by DoctorTom

    yes, the new season's got me interested in rewatching the old one. On DVD, I noticed that they had a PBS Masterpiece logo bit at the beginning, right before they had the BBC logo come up. Is it the same way on the British DVDs? I'm wondering if Sherlock is actually a coproduction between the BBC and PBS instead of PBS just buying the rights to show it.

  • Loved them - and their Harlan Ellison intro sections were worth the price of admission alone. (In fact, I would recommend anyone reading this look up HE's statements on Doctor Who, comparing it to other SF platforms like Star Wars. He said Star Trek is "puree of bat guano", as I recall...) Also never knew that plot point about the Hand of Fear - most interesting! The Brig buying it flying a rocket! I seem to recall back in the day, he was the guy who had the "Doctor Who streak", and appeared in stories (as various characters, inc. Lethbridge-Stewart) for Doctors 1->7

  • Jan. 6, 2012, 11:53 a.m. CST

    doctortom

    by gotilk

    Good morning! Not very far along on Ready Player One. Just about 60-70 pages in. Had a busy day yesterday. But the thing is, the book is on my mind day and night now.

  • Jan. 6, 2012, 11:55 a.m. CST

    Baker "Hounds"

    by Merrick

    The YouTube link in the article above has much of (all of?) Baker's "Hounds" - broken into parts - from the looks of it.

  • Jan. 6, 2012, 12:02 p.m. CST

    obijuanmartinez

    by gotilk

    Found the full quote for you... http://tinyurl.com/722v536 Gotta love/hate/love/respect/hate again Ellison. I'm such a huge fan of him, yet he enrages me consistently. I'm fine with that.

  • Jan. 6, 2012, 12:04 p.m. CST

    Whotininnies?

    by gotilk

    Not to harp on it. Just an adoring fan.

  • Jan. 6, 2012, 12:06 p.m. CST

    Also an interesting tidbit about how Michael Moorcock

    by gotilk

    introduced Ellison to Doctor Who.. *Now be quiet and just watch* http://tinyurl.com/7duesuu

  • Jan. 6, 2012, 12:17 p.m. CST

    EEEE George from the EXCELLENT UK Being Human!

    by AnnoyYou

    I love Russell Tovey! And I see he's made the jump from Russell Davies/Toby Whithouse over to Moffat. Well done. He's a great actor and it's going to be a treat to see him with Cumberbatch and Freeman this time out. As an aside: I still wish Cumberbatch had taken on the 11th Doctor; he would have been so much better than Matt Smith. Still, I suppose then he wouldn't have been Sherlock, and he's so brilliant in the role I guess I'll just have to continue to think of him wistfully as the "Doctor who got away."

  • Jan. 6, 2012, 12:34 p.m. CST

    BTW: Big Props to Mark Gatiss as Mycroft, and...

    by obijuanmartinez

    ...he really hit his stride in last week's new episode. Cumberbatch as the TB/4th doc in a live-action remake of 'Genesis of the Daleks'! Next BBC Doc NEEDS to be Chwietel Ejiofor! PLEASE! We already had a female Doctor ('Curse of the Fatal Death') - Let's push Who to the next frontier!

  • Jan. 6, 2012, 12:45 p.m. CST

    obijuanmartinez

    by gotilk

    Must agree that Chwietel Ejiofor would be an excellent choice. I cannot even imagine what he'd bring to the character and the show. The possibilities are endless. The question would be , however, would an actor with so much of the world in his reach choose to be on a TV show playing a character that would follow him for the rest of his life? I vote YES! He, on the other hand, might not. Sadly. Also, someone said here that Cumberbatch would be a *better* Doctor than Smith. I agree he would be a different Doctor... but I would not go so far as to say better. I think Smith has been phenomenal. Cumberbatch would, I think, be magnificent as well.

  • Jan. 6, 2012, 12:56 p.m. CST

    has_snyder_been_fired_from_superman_yet

    by Mister Vertue

    To answer your question, a 'story' or 'serial' in terms of old Who would usually be comprised of 4 or 6 individual 'parts'. For example, the story would be 'The Android Invasion' and it would have four 'parts'. I suppose you could also call each 'part' an 'episode'. In terms of a 'series', that would be the equivalent of a 'season' in America. The new show has standalone stories that aren't comprised of various 'parts', so they can be called 'episodes'. Series 7 (or series/season 33) begins production next month (February 2012) with the first block of episodes being written at this very moment!

  • Jan. 6, 2012, 12:59 p.m. CST

    Graham Norton Show tonight - relevant!

    by Mister Vertue

    Both Amy Pond and John Watson will be appearing alongside each other on Graham's couch later today. Karen and Martin should make for interesting viewing for fans of the Doc/Lockback.

  • yeah i went there

  • Jan. 6, 2012, 1:02 p.m. CST

    doctortom - PBS

    by Mister Vertue

    PBS are a secondary buyer of Sherlock and are not involved in the direct financing or production of the show. However, I believe they are allowed to brand the show with their logo upon tx. Hope that answers your question!

  • Jan. 6, 2012, 1:11 p.m. CST

    Bob Holness RIP

    by Mister Vertue

    Just heard that Bob passed away today. Very sad to hear. I suppose we can connect it to the Lockback because he was alleged to have played saxophone on Gerry Rafferty's 'Baker Street' song, although it turned out to be an urban myth that Bob played along with. I'm a big fan of James Bond and Bob was also the second person to play James Bond on the radio. Of course, most people reading this will know him as the host of 'Blockbusters'.

  • Jan. 6, 2012, 1:21 p.m. CST

    MOV - thanks for the info (& Graham Norton info for US)

    by DoctorTom

    I thought that they were only a secondary buyer. Seeing their brand show up on the DVD caught me off guard. Thanks for reminding me about the Graham Norton Show. It looks like the US has finally reduced the lag time before showing it here - I think we'll have that episode tomorrow night. Last year I think there was about a 1 1/2 week gap, and longer before that. Top Gear still seems to lag tremendously, though. If they were keeping up with that, they would have shown the India special on BBCA by now.

  • Reading through the thread, I found something hilarious (probably unintentionally) - Moorcock posted this comment: *Yes, I was approached. But as usual rather prefer to script my own mythology rather than someone else's. * Anybody who read Coming of the Terraphiles already knew that.

  • Jan. 6, 2012, 1:34 p.m. CST

    Wow, Amy Pond and John Watson?

    by HornOrSilk

    Live, from the land of fiction? Is this a hint of what is to come? A cross-over story where the Doctor meets Sherlock? ;)

  • Jan. 6, 2012, 1:43 p.m. CST

    Nailed it this time

    by Abe

    Absolutely. I KNEW that you wouldn't have anything particularly BAD to say about the 'Droid Invasion. Not too much GOOD either. That's why I love this one. It's just all the good things about the Letts era of Who done...perfectly competently. I end up watching this one more than some of the others around it for just that reason, it's like 'Doctor Who brand Comfort Food". Just re-heat and eat. -abevigoda also..side note. The saddest thing about the ep was it was SUPPOSED to be the farewell adventure for the whole UNIT era. The Brig was unavailable to do it however, and they gave his lines to some stand-in clown. Wouldn't see him again until the highly flawed 'Mawdryn Undead' a few years later. OH! and I replied to yer comment from last week Merrick. It's toward the bottom of last weeks Docback.

  • And she was HILARIOUS

  • Jan. 6, 2012, 1:59 p.m. CST

    Why is it regrettable airing on the first day of the year?

    by John Brown

  • Jan. 6, 2012, 2:02 p.m. CST

    covjack

    by Merrick

    *** Why is it regrettable airing on the first day of the year? *** The standard being set so high, so early in the year, will make it harder for other shows to live up to it as the year goes on.

  • Jan. 6, 2012, 2:06 p.m. CST

    Happy Friday Doc/Lockbackers!

    by Kevin Bolinger

    Hope everyone is good, looking forward to "Hounds" this weekend. I have seen The Android Invasion, but it left very little impact on me so I do not remember much of it, sadly :P

  • Jan. 6, 2012, 2:09 p.m. CST

    BTW: Cumberbatch does the best Alan Rickman impersonation EVER

    by obijuanmartinez

    Almost peed myself laughing when he sang Elton John's "Candle in the Wind" as Rickman...

  • Jan. 6, 2012, 2:27 p.m. CST

    Cumberbatch doing Rickman singing Candle In The Wind

    by gotilk

    French and Saunders radio show: http://youtu.be/GnyrFJda7i0

  • Jan. 6, 2012, 2:31 p.m. CST

    doctortom

    by gotilk

    Yeah the whole thread is pretty funny. Even mention of a Tom Baker sextape... lol Doubtful, but how funny!

  • Jan. 6, 2012, 2:39 p.m. CST

    I'll keep typing it until it happens ...

    by dogrobber

    ... in my universe the next Doctor is slated to be Hermione Norris. If unavailable the back-up choice is Richard Coyle. Possibly Paterson Joseph or Eddie Izzard. Last resort would be Bill Nighy or Ben Miller. Mr. Coyle and Mr. Joseph are in the running to be The Master in my tiny mind. Also, I was really very pleasantly surprised how much I enjoyed the first episode of 'Sherlock' series two. I wasn't a big fan of the first series (not that I didn't enjoy parts of it), but 'Scandal' was great fun.

  • Jan. 6, 2012, 2:49 p.m. CST

    hey_kobe_tell_me_how_my_ass_tastes

    by gotilk

    Blanchett Hmmmm that would be controversial. But it would also potentially be VERY interesting.

  • Jan. 6, 2012, 2:53 p.m. CST

    Who/Sherlock crossover

    by Mister Vertue

    Two completely different styles of show that just wouldn't work when woven together. I think we've got more chance of seeing Bob the Builder popping up on Eastenders than Sherlock appearing alongside the Doctor. I know nothing is 'impossible', but we can consider this to be 'highly unlikely'!

  • Jan. 6, 2012, 2:54 p.m. CST

    gotlik - what about Tilda Swinton?

    by Hey_Kobe_Tell_Me_How_My_Ass_Tastes

    ill bet she would do it if asked. it seems like British actors do not have the same revulsion for being on tv after they have made it in movies like American actors do. it would be awesome if either blanchett or swinton did it, i dont think they could get away with androgynous though

  • Jan. 6, 2012, 2:55 p.m. CST

    Bob the Builder's gonna be appearing on EASTENDERS!?!?

    by Merrick

    That ROCKS! ;-)

  • Jan. 6, 2012, 2:55 p.m. CST

    Uh...

    by Sandy

    a Gatiss' scripted spin on the Doyle title of the same name.

  • Jan. 6, 2012, 3:01 p.m. CST

    They are not completely different, MOV

    by HornOrSilk

    I remember watching the opening of S1 of Sherlock and seeing similarity to the first Matt Smith episode -- how the Doctor's observations mirrored Sherlock's in style. But beyond that.. in the Land of Fiction, the style doesn't have to be the same! You could throw in Bob the Builder and Oscar the Grouch for fun!

  • Jan. 6, 2012, 3:03 p.m. CST

    why is Thomas the Tank Engine not in the discussion?

    by Hey_Kobe_Tell_Me_How_My_Ass_Tastes

  • Jan. 6, 2012, 3:04 p.m. CST

    Well, Oscar the Grouch

    by HornOrSilk

    Is an obvious Time Lord. With a trash-can TARDIS. He's the Monk, regenerated. Grouchy as ever.

  • Jan. 6, 2012, 3:09 p.m. CST

    i buy that, still Thomas the tank engine is his own tardis!

    by Hey_Kobe_Tell_Me_How_My_Ass_Tastes

  • Jan. 6, 2012, 3:22 p.m. CST

    Bob's got some beef with the Mitchells down at the Vic

    by Mister Vertue

    He wants his spanner back, and he's not leaving without it. Dum dum dum derr derr dum...

  • Jan. 6, 2012, 3:30 p.m. CST

    hornorsilk

    by Mister Vertue

    Could you really see Daleks and Cybermen existing in the same world as Sherlock? I know it may seem like a fun idea to have a crossover, but I think it would ruin both shows to actually attempt it. Tell you what, if it ever happens, I'll buy you the entire series of Doctor *and* Sherlock on DVD. Deal? ;-)

  • Jan. 6, 2012, 3:31 p.m. CST

    Oscar is a Time Lord, Tigger is the Highlander

    by Terry

    What's the wonderful thing about Tiggers? He's the only one. There can be only one Highlander. Therefore, Tigger is the Highlander! God, I love my cold medicine..... And I would kill for a picture of Tigger in a kilt holding a claymore in one hand and Eeyore's head in the other. A dramatic pose with one foot on Eeyore's headless body. :) I would have that put on a shirt and wear it to Walt Disney World. Time to go back to bed and watch Who episodes again before I do something really silly. Have fun all!

  • Jan. 6, 2012, 3:47 p.m. CST

    Doctor Who/ Sherlock crossover

    by DoctorTom

    maybe they'll try adapting The All Consuming Fire by Andy Lane, doing it with Matt Smith and current companions instead of Sylvester McCoy, and a modern Sherlock instead of a Victorian one.

  • Jan. 6, 2012, 4:52 p.m. CST

    SCANDAL rocked my world

    by pizzatheface

    Amazing show, amazing series.

  • Jan. 6, 2012, 5:08 p.m. CST

    Hey fellow Canuckians! Where will we see Sherlock 4,5+6 first?

    by tangcameo

    I haven't seen ads for it on Showcase. I wonder if PBS might get it first. And as for (we aint got no BBC on)BBC Canada I think they're more likely to advertise they have Sherlock, only to end up playing that Matt Frewer dreck.

  • Jan. 6, 2012, 5:30 p.m. CST

    Sorry I'm late, I couldn't find my shoes.

    by Michael_Jacksons_Ghost

    I was really impressed with the latest Sherlock, and I enjoy the series as a whole. It makes the RDJ Sherlock look like crap.....really, anything makes those movies look like crap. On a side note, next week I begin the construction of my very own TARDIS. I am designing it based on the 9th-10th Doctor's TARDIS. But I am upgrading the emergency sign with one that can have light behind, so you can read the sign in a dark setting. I am using a not so good blueprint from online, and I will be taking note's along the way as a way to improve the blueprint. I am starting with pre-cutting the wall's first, and I figure if I do a little here and there every weekend or so, it will be complete by May. As what to do with it when completed.....I have no idea! lol

  • Jan. 6, 2012, 5:34 p.m. CST

    MOV as I continue to point out, in the Land of Fiction they fit

    by HornOrSilk

    There are many ways to do a crossover; it doesn't even have to be in the Land of Fiction. It could even be the Doctor appearing on the set of Sherlock. There are many ways to do it. But, with the Land of Fiction, yes, it fits with Doctor Who just as much as... Gulliver with White Robots

  • Jan. 6, 2012, 5:38 p.m. CST

    Horn

    by Michael_Jacksons_Ghost

    Easy way to do crossover would be have The Doctor travel into an alternate dimension where he encounters Sherlock. In Sherlock's dimension, there has never been an alien envasion, and The Doctor just teams with him to solve a mystery. It would be a good one-off story...hell, do a short like the Children in Need ones. It could work.

  • Jan. 6, 2012, 7:22 p.m. CST

    Sherlock Holmes First Season

    by DrMorbius

    For those looking ... PBS (check your local station) will be airing the first 3 episodes ... January 15, 22 & 29, 2012 at 10pm (Limited TV airings; Check local listings) Sherlock Three 90-minute episodes Sherlock Holmes stalks again in this contemporary thriller, starring Benedict Cumberbatch (War Horse) as the go-to consulting detective in modern-day London, with Martin Freeman (The Hobbit) as Dr. John Watson.

  • Jan. 6, 2012, 8:51 p.m. CST

    drmorbius

    by gotilk

    THANK YOU! PBS doesn't do much to promote it the first time they air it, let alone repeats. And I'm even a subscriber/member. The other thing that surprises me is how often I see repeats of almost EVERY other program they air... except Sherlock. Maybe it has something to do with the cost, who knows?

  • Jan. 6, 2012, 9:55 p.m. CST

    gotilk

    by DrMorbius

    You're welcome. After they originally aired the episodes they were up for viewing for months after, on the PBS Website that is. Hopefully they will do the same with Series 2 in May.

  • There is no Brett on the Aussie iTunes store, regrettably, but since I also have access to a US iTunes account I sought and found Brett's Hound there. I'm about half way through it. The sound has some glitches and it's from later in the series run when Brett was retaining water which slightly spoils his appearance BUT ... it's superb. As if to underline how superb I watched the first scene from the Baker Holmes linked above - the one with the walking stick. While I love Baker truly and deeply - he is my Doctor - his performance of the stick scene is so overwhelmed by Brett's that I really don't think I can watch any more of his Holmes. Any more than I could watch Brett aping the Doc - it's like casting Bugs Bunny in a Mickey Mouse shtick. On Cate Blanchett as the Doc ... it just so happens Our Cate (as she's described down here) is a neighbour of mine. Her kids go to the same schools mine do and I once bumped into her on a Valentine's day. I was having the grocer combine 4 bunches of tulips into a single bunch - my sweetie loves tulips - and Cate was buying veggies. Her child, then perhaps 3, pointed to the mass of tulips and said, ~what's that, Mummy?~ Without missing a beat and with just a tiny smile she explained, ~that's love, darling~. I was so instantly smitten I almost handed the bundle to her. On a Doc/Lock crossover - HELL, NO!. Lock's strength is its plausibility. You connect the Doc to Lock's universe and the poor fellow won't be able to detect anything. Locked door mystery? Probably the Tardis. Professor Moriarty? Wears one of those peculiar watches with a speckled chamelon arch. And Mrs Hudson is really just one of the Dalek's mechanical field agents ... no, it really won't do at all. On Milneverse crossovers - there's nothing more heretical than http://zeekland.zeroplayer.com/001_Pigleg_Too/1 et sequelae . I've worked with Phlip and an real life he's not so twisted as he seems from his comics ... And for those who need a source of S2 Sherlock ... well, there's always the pirate bay if you have no other choice. I don't think of this as equivalent to stealing given some free channel near you will eventually let you watch it anyway ...

  • Jan. 6, 2012, 11:25 p.m. CST

    Just finished Scandal in Belgravia

    by maelstrom_ZERO

    And my mind was pretty much blown. I didn't geek out quite as hard as I did when I saw The Impossible Astronaut/Day of the Moon, but it was pretty close. Near perfect dialogue, the constant back and forth engagement between Sherlock and Adler, and the sheer tension of it all. Very nearly perfect. My impression--and that of the friend who saw it with me--was that it felt very movie-like. I'm not sure what contributed to it. Perhaps the extremely polished quality of the entire product. Or maybe the sense of personal scale involved. Or maybe the length. But it felt like I finished watching a solid movie rather than a single episode. Great job overall. Whatever my misgivings regarding S6 of Who, Moffat has re-earned my grudging admiration. Although to be honest, I still like A Study in Pink the best. Not to knock Scandal in Belgravia, but that psychological showdown between Sherlock and the murderer, both sitting across the table, trying to get into each others' heads. . .that was just absolutely, positively perfect.

  • In any of the first 20+ seasons, before the reboot? I've never seen those (& sorry, still have no desire to) But all things considered, it doesn't seem far fetched at all, that the Doctor would meet Holmes (& even saying the original, Victorian era one).

  • Jan. 7, 2012, 2:06 a.m. CST

    Professor Moriarty on STNG vs The Doc vs Mofflock

    by veteran_of_mu

    I don't know how many Lockbackers are familiar with the excellent pair of Sherlockian STNG episodes, ~Elementary, Dear Data~ and ~Ship In A Bottle~. The first of these starts out very simply with Data attempting to play Holmes on the Holodeck. Geordie points out that this isn't fair as Data knows how all the stories end so Data challenges the computer to make an adversary smart enough to defeat Data. This results in the first genuinely self-aware hologram (styled after James Moriarty) and a lovely tail-twisting adventure. The second episode, which is by far the better of the two, begins with this hologrammic Moriarty figuring out how to leave the Holodeck. Without spoiling anything, this is probably the best of all the STNG episodies. Now there has been quite a lot of talk about the possibility of a DW/TNG crossover - it almost made it to the TV screen twice (http://trekmovie.com/2010/01/10/russell-t-davies-considered-star-trek-pastiche-for-2009-doctor-who-easter-special/). So in principle we could have had Moriarty meet the Doc that way. So then it's quite clear that, in terms of raw intellect, The Doc > STNG Moriarty > STNG Data > Conan Doyle Moriarty == Conan Doyle Sherlock. Just where Mofflock fits in this is up for grabs, Mofflock might still out-detect the Doctor but frankly I don't think so.

  • Jan. 7, 2012, 2:09 a.m. CST

    Whoops - Geordie challenges, not Data challenges.

    by veteran_of_mu

  • Jan. 7, 2012, 3:26 a.m. CST

    Moriarty in this series

    by SavageJuicebox

    I feel they went in the direction that he is a high functioning autistic. It just seems so having seen it in real life. Genius level intelligence but total lack of empathy. Mood swings, short attention span... I really like it. I know fans of the book expect Moriarty to be a certain way, but it is so tired. The cold calculator, dry insidious delivery. I've seen that in all my villains too many times.

  • Jan. 7, 2012, 3:41 a.m. CST

    The Land of Fiction

    by HornOrSilk

    Again and again, I am using it as demonstration of how a crossover could be done. Maybe people don't know about it -- but it is a place, shown in The Mind Robber, where the "Author" controls what happens, and anyone from fiction (or the world) can show up and be a part of it. Thus, it would be a crossover in the sense we could get the actors to play their parts; the Doctor could even land and not realize he is in the Land of Fiction and find it all absurd. Yes, there could be other ways of doing it, like a holodeck (and isn't that something set up in S6, God Complex, as a possibility?) Or, as I said, the Doctor could actually land on the set of Sherlock. This would be trickier but could be done. The possibilities for crossovers are there. They wouldn't have to take place in the Sherlock universe to still have Sherlock.

  • Jan. 7, 2012, 6:10 a.m. CST

    How about we split the difference...

    by Peter

    ...and have the Doc meet Conan Doyle for a jolly period romp? The gag would be that the Doctor's extraordinary analytical reasoning inspires the Holmes character. Were you aware that Conan Doyle based Holmes on areal Doctor (Joseph Bell) with amazing powers of deduction. Check it out: http://www.neatorama.com/2008/01/21/the-origin-of-sherlock-holmes/

  • Jan. 7, 2012, 7:35 a.m. CST

    SEEKER

    by obijuanmartinez

    No legacy Who series contain encounters w/ Sherlock Holmes, however, the 4th Doc had an adventure in Victorian London called 'The Talons of Weng-Chiang' which was basically the Doctor, dressed as Holmes in deerstalker + cloak, solving a Jack the Ripper-esque crime that actually rotated around a fugitive / war criminal from the 51st century. This same Doctor (Tom Baker) would later play Holmes in a standalone BBC adaptation of 'The Hound of the Baskervilles' in the early 80s. Would highly recommend the first 2 seasons of Tom Baker as the Doc if you haven't seen any classic Who...

  • Jan. 7, 2012, 7:41 a.m. CST

    See... there is this crossover for Potter

    by HornOrSilk

    http://potterlols.cheezburger.com/5650064128

  • Jan. 7, 2012, 7:44 a.m. CST

    And... yes.. another crossover.. Sherlock/Doctor Who

    by HornOrSilk

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m0av4se_430 See. It could work!

  • Jan. 7, 2012, 7:46 a.m. CST

    And more Wholock

    by HornOrSilk

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U1Eqr4gBh_k&feature=related See.

  • Jan. 7, 2012, 7:58 a.m. CST

    caractacuspotts - wonderful posts, thanks.

    by gotilk

    And I think I just fell in love with Cate Blanchett. :) Wait.... I already had. MORE in love.

  • Jan. 7, 2012, 8 a.m. CST

    petermck

    by gotilk

    You found the way in. The Doctor meets the real man that inspired Holmes. Yes!!

  • Jan. 7, 2012, 8:02 a.m. CST

    hornorsilk

    by gotilk

    Love that Placebo interpretation of the Kate Bush song. Great little montage as well. Thanks.

  • Jan. 7, 2012, 8:04 a.m. CST

    Gotilk and this one goes with my Land of Fiction theme

    by HornOrSilk

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RLMQS_2MLmI&feature=related

  • Jan. 7, 2012, 8:04 a.m. CST

    SEEKER PT. 2 + Steampunk

    by obijuanmartinez

    That 'Weng-Chiang' adventure also shows a bit of an embryonic nod to the Steampunk genre, with the main villain's sewer laboratory & time capsule - so there you are - a 3-way gene-splice between Sherlock Holmes, Dr. Who & Steampunk manga!

  • Jan. 7, 2012, 8:08 a.m. CST

    hornorsilk YES

    by gotilk

    also very nicely done. Know the source of the music track?

  • Jan. 7, 2012, 8:11 a.m. CST

    No, I don't know the source

    by HornOrSilk

    But I agree, nicely done. It also shows that if possible, Gene Wilder should be asked to play Willy Wonka as the New Master of the Land of Ficition ;)

  • Jan. 7, 2012, 8:17 a.m. CST

    And then Wholock: Good Men Go To War

    by HornOrSilk

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RLMQS_2MLmI&feature=related

  • Jan. 7, 2012, 8:18 a.m. CST

    Sorry that should have been this one for Good Men Go to War

    by HornOrSilk

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o9b8q157OqA

  • Jan. 7, 2012, 9:46 a.m. CST

    hornorsilk : That was a great one as well...

    by gotilk

    and I wonder about that shot of Watson going into a pair of doors that looked suspiciously like the TARDIS. Nice find. What a great role for Wilder to come out of retirement for. Nice dream. I've always hoped he would pop back up again for one last hurrah. Gene Wilder has been writing, but I have yet to buy one of his books. I should. Here's one: http://tinyurl.com/2xvemd I think I might just grab it.

  • But I try to, when possible, add the DocBack affiliate ID when posting Amazon links. Please feel free to post and fix them if I get it wrong.

  • Jan. 7, 2012, 9:47 a.m. CST

    That should have said affiliate not afficiate. lol

    by gotilk

    Darned wireless keyboards. Yep, that's my excuse.

  • Jan. 7, 2012, 9:50 a.m. CST

    Darthdevious does some great videos, and another

    by gotilk

    (former?) talkbacker named Kelvington (he did the Trek/Who crossover film and MANY other great mashups, a real talent) have done Who-related videos. More of us should take a crack at it in my opinion. I bet we could come up with some good ones.

  • Who could be the Doctor. There was only one other... Jeff Goldblum. Not saying Americans should be the Doctor, but they were the two I felt who could handle it. Would be great for BF..

  • Because you know within most of our lifetimes, these mashups will drift into simulations, then in 3d, then interactive. In our time, we will walk amongst all of these characters, interact with them, speak with them, go on adventures with them. Unless we blow each other up or collapse our economies due to pure greed. I tend to be optimistic about such things, however. It still surprises me, after all these years, that we don't have an immersive, 3d world of some kind. And I don't mean the flat kind we interact with now with primitive devices to interface with. No, I mean fully immersive, 3d worlds interfaced with our hands and viewed through some kind of a head-mounted, head-tracking , stereoscopic display. These were promised (and partially introduced) almost 25 years ago. Experimented with even before that. When people question my enthusiasm for 3d cinema, they have to understand that I see it as a stepping stone, a next step toward the aforementioned. I guess what I'm saying is... if you think this is cool... just wait. Just wait. That Ready Player One book has kind of re-ignited my passions for this type of thing.

  • Jan. 7, 2012, 10:10 a.m. CST

    hornorsilk

    by gotilk

    I have to agree, without reservation, 100%. Wilder and Goldblum are the only 2, without a doubt. But Wilder much more. But from a pure fantasy-league point of view, I think James Stewart would have been fun. Also, I think Alan Ruck could have pulled it off if an American version ever got off the ground. In spite of the absolute sacrilege. (Captain John Harriman, Star Trek Generations/Of Gods and Men, Ferris Beuller's Day Off) There's something about the guy, I just think his style and personality would fit. But less so by a huge margin compared to Wilder and Goldblum.

  • Jan. 7, 2012, 10:14 a.m. CST

    400 years without a single coat of assing paint

    by gotilk

    LOL Best line of that outtake above. Fry is an international treasure.

  • Jan. 7, 2012, 10:23 a.m. CST

    gotilk Agreed, Wilder over Goldblum

    by HornOrSilk

    But both would work. Wilder really is as close to the Doctor as anyone comes with Willy Wonka, that's for sure. Not sure of anyone else.

  • http://youtu.be/rtWUrJU46M8

  • Jan. 7, 2012, 10:54 a.m. CST

    Gotilk

    by Kevin Bolinger

    LOL, speaking of my Who stuff, filmed something earlier this week, and my buddy Mike is editing it all together, based upon a script written by me :P We will be posting it to both our youtube channels as a cross promotion thing as soon as he is done editing it.

  • Jan. 7, 2012, 11:24 a.m. CST

    well that was short lived...

    by Abe

    ...me ever commenting again that is.

  • Jan. 7, 2012, 11:42 a.m. CST

    Gotlik = BRILLIANT!

    by obijuanmartinez

    Amazing skill! How much does it weigh? (Looks like you were able to readily move it around!)

  • Jan. 7, 2012, 12:11 p.m. CST

    theseeker7

    by DoctorTom

    as was mentioned, nothing in the original series with the Doctor meeting Sherlock Holmes, but it happened in one of Virgin's New Adventures - All-Consuming Fire by Andy Lane (it also used some of Lovecraft's creations). Bernice Summerfield, a companion who was introduced in Virgin's New Adventures (continuations of 7th Doctor stories after the tv show stopped) (she was also one of the companions in All-Consuming Fire) who went into her own spinoff novels and audios, had one audio where she met Mycroft Holmes. Also, in the Virgin New Adventure Happy Endings, Sherlock was at Benny's wedding.

  • Jan. 7, 2012, 12:12 p.m. CST

    MOV - it looks like you were actually wrong on something

    by DoctorTom

    Last night I watched the commentary for A Study in Pink, and at the end of the credits it listed it as a Masterpiece co-production, so it looks like Sherlock actually is a coproduction between the BBC and PBS. This actually makes sense of why PBS is the station showing Sherlock and not BBC America.

  • Jan. 7, 2012, 12:19 p.m. CST

    doctortom that might be the DVD itself is

    by HornOrSilk

    Could be in America how it is?

  • Jan. 7, 2012, 12:46 p.m. CST

    Gotlik

    by obijuanmartinez

    Thanks for posting all the links to my various brain-farts on Ellison, Rickman, etc. As for your comment on Matt Smith, I have to say, he wasn't doing much for me until the back half of this most recent season (sorry, hard to follow Tennant, I suppose), and I think Smith hit it bang-on w/ the Christmas Episode: "Happy crying...how human!" The end of that episode was (channeling my inner Jimmy JJ Walker) DY-NO-MITE! Even though the X-Mas eps are usually pretty light-hearted affairs, he really showed the gravitas I felt his character (the post-Time War "last of the Timne Lords Doc...) had been lacking compared to Eccleston & Tennant's incarnations

  • Jan. 7, 2012, 1:27 p.m. CST

    Masterpiece / PBS

    by Merrick

    The interconnection is tricky ***from my understanding*** (which means I may be wrong). Masterpiece is an entity which acquires and generates material that is later shown on PBS, but I'm not certain that one could necessarily consider a show branded with/produced by "Masterpiece" as being a proper PBS co-production (the cred on SHERLOCK specifically indicate Masterpiece and not PBS, on the versions I'm seeing). This said, some of Masterpiece's $$ apparently comes from PBS. The same awkward dynamic happens in movie production all the time (EX. a Disney owned company produces a movie but said company, and not Disney, receives the credit or blame for the product). I'm not sure how this impacts MOV's characterization of PBS being a "secondary buyer" - but it may help to illustrate some semantic complications in the matter.

  • Jan. 7, 2012, 2:44 p.m. CST

    Still want to know...

    by KnowItAllFromCali

    How Holmes and Watson made it out of there alive at the end of 3. They set off the bomb, didn't they!?

  • Jan. 7, 2012, 2:59 p.m. CST

    obijuanmartinez

    by gotilk

    I didn't build that TARDIS, that's just the name of the video. I can see how that could be confusing. I certainly wish I HAD built it. And if I were to be a girl, I think out of the available options, cute with a German accent would be high on my list. Cute with a German accent is high on another list of mine as well, but I won't say its name...

  • Jan. 7, 2012, 3:02 p.m. CST

    Clearing things up, maybe... a little.

    by gotilk

    I believe WGBH in Boston produces Masterpiece, and then licenses it to PBS stations (sells it). Therefore, Sherlock could easily be a Masterpiece co-production without being a PBS co-production.

  • Jan. 7, 2012, 3:52 p.m. CST

    obijuanmartinez

    by gotilk

    But I agree. What she did was brilliant. I want to marry her.

  • Jan. 7, 2012, 4:39 p.m. CST

    MOV - Crossovers

    by Ken Plume

    While an "in continuity" crossover of Who & Sherlock does not work, it would be a delightful piece to bring The Doctor and Sherlock together (with faithful companions in tow) for Comic Relief... Which, *oddly enough*, next falls during the 50th anniversary year...

  • Jan. 7, 2012, 5:15 p.m. CST

    DW / S crossovers

    by Merrick

    Whether or not a DW/SHERLOCK crossover "fits" into either universe, I can't see how the notion of doing this in-continuity could ever be perceived as anything but gimmicky, annoying, funky, and unnecessary by the world at large. This said, kenplume's suggestion re: pulling such a stunt at a Comic Relief feels like a fine idea, and is probably the best / only setting in which this kind of shtick should even be remotely considered.

  • Jan. 7, 2012, 6:06 p.m. CST

    merrick -- when you see Mind Robber you will understand

    by HornOrSilk

    There is a legitimate DW way to do it.

  • Jan. 7, 2012, 6:17 p.m. CST

    And we don't want a repeat of this

    by HornOrSilk

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4yRtO8XtOyc So let's do a Mind Robber 2 instead!

  • Jan. 7, 2012, 6:25 p.m. CST

    hornorsilk re: crossover

    by Merrick

    I'm not desputing that there may well be legitimate ways of doing it. There are legitimate ways of mounting *many* crossovers in storytelling, but this doesn't mean they *should* be done.

  • Jan. 7, 2012, 6:46 p.m. CST

    merrick -- I think there will be disagreements here and it's fine

    by HornOrSilk

    I just think it would work as a good crossover, for many reasons. It could be on the level of the Seven Percent Solution. I'm sure many thought that idea wasn't good, before seeing the movie. But it could be something else, too; ST:TNG showed how well Moriarty could be used in a new context. Now, I don't think repeating that is right -- but -- having Sherlock involved in the Land of Fiction and even discerning he is a work of fiction... though similar to TNG.. could end up quite differently with the Land of Fiction.

  • A pint please.

  • Jan. 7, 2012, 10:34 p.m. CST

    Ginger Beer and Ginger Ale

    by gotilk

    Is there a real difference? If so, what is it?

  • Jan. 8, 2012, 5:29 a.m. CST

    re: Season vs. Series

    by Koschei

    prior to the reboot, a season of Doctor Who was referred to by everybody (Brits, Yanks, Aussies) as a 'season'. The preference for the word 'series' in British television only started in the late '80s I think.

  • Jan. 8, 2012, 5:30 a.m. CST

    Sherlock crossover

    by Koschei

    There was also a crossover Sherlock Holmes/Doctor Who novel called 'All-Consuming Fire', and another one called 'Evolution' where the Doctor met Arthur Conan Doyle and inspired him to write Sherlock Holmes.

  • Jan. 8, 2012, 9:55 a.m. CST

    Clarification

    by Mister Vertue

    Sherlock is a co-production between Hartswood Films and Masterpiece for BBC Wales. It is merely distributed by PBS Television in the United States. Hope that clears up the matter.

  • Jan. 8, 2012, 11:51 a.m. CST

    MOV, Gotilk had it right

    by DoctorTom

    Masterpiece is produced by WGBH Boston, which is a PBS station, but doesn't mean that it's PBS itself producing it. Masterpiece licenses/sells it to the PBS network as a whole. So, while it's not PBS coproducing it, it's one specific PBS-allfiliated station coproducing. I remember in the past PBS shows saying produced by WGBH Boston. Still, given it's a PBS station coproducing, it still explains why Sherlock is being shown on PBS and not BBC America - WGBH is going to license it to its own station and other PBS stations first.

  • Jan. 8, 2012, 11:58 a.m. CST

    gotilk - Ginger Beer/Ginger Ale

    by DoctorTom

    Ginger beer has a stonger ginger taste than ginger ale. Also, when ginger beer was first brewed I think that it could have had an alcohol content. From a marketing standpoint, the first time I had ginger beer I remember the label saying that you could mix it with regular beer - I haven't heard of a ginger ale being marketed that way (even though it's often used as a mixer for hard drinks).

  • I already had episode 1 - Tsar Wars - in my possession. I saw in an article that David Troughton plays his father in the last two episodes of the story. I'll probably save these for a car trip, but I'm really looking forward to them - I've been impressed with Paul Magrs other two series for Tom Baker (and it's wonderful just to listen to Tom Baker on audio). That reminds me, we should be seeing the Tom Baker Big Finish audios start this month (though it might be later for them to show up in the US). This is shaping up to be a good year despite having to wait until autumn until the new series (which is already being promoted by BBC America in their Coming in 2012 ads).

  • Jan. 8, 2012, 12:53 p.m. CST

    gotilk ...... Ginger Ale

    by DrMorbius

    Never had Ginger Beer, but growing up less than an hour away from Ontario Canada, we had Canada Dry Ginger Ale (like doctom said, usually used as a mixer) and a favorite of mine, Vernors Ginger Ale. A non-alcoholic soft drink with a definately different / unique tast. I seem to remember you being in the San Francisco area (sorry if untrue), if you have a Von's nearby, check the Specialty drinks section or ask a manager for it.

  • Jan. 8, 2012, 3:31 p.m. CST

    @octavian

    by veteran_of_mu

    Proof?

  • The way it reads now, without you saing anything else, seems like you're just trying to stir things up. I'd like to hear your reasoning for your opinion.

  • Jan. 8, 2012, 4:11 p.m. CST

    sherlock - baskerville

    by rakesh patel

    Didn't really watch this episode properly i was kind of distracted and zoned in and out. dogging bit was amusing, mind palace.. uh Benedicts pop and lock is not a patch on alphas Gary. what did everyone else think?

  • Jan. 8, 2012, 4:17 p.m. CST

    Good episode of Sherlock but I didn't understand the ending.

    by CHRISTIAN_BALE_TRASHED_MY_LIGHTS

    Anyone help me out with what happened in that last minute?

  • Jan. 8, 2012, 4:44 p.m. CST

    Good Ep

    by Ian bandy

    Not as good as last weeks (what could be?) but still enjoyable, and certainly a few shocks. On an unrelated note, rewatching last weeks ep a few times it bugged me where I had heard the music Sherlock was composing before, then it hit me, it's very similar to the opening credits of the 90's cartoon version of the X-men? Anybody else notice that? Am I going mad?

  • Jan. 8, 2012, 5:03 p.m. CST

    @ianbandy1 you are going mad

    by rakesh patel

    i can understand why you may think that, there where some similar segments, but no its not the theme tune. Yeah, I was distracted, but to be honest the episode didn't hold my attention as much. Not as much as last weeks ep.

  • Jan. 8, 2012, 5:33 p.m. CST

    Thanks Mr X

    by Ian bandy

    Ok glad I'm not going mad, it was going over and over in my mind, had to go and check on YouTube! Worth another watch, by the way, when u have the time :)

  • Jan. 8, 2012, 5:54 p.m. CST

    I like how they brought Holmes more into it than normal

    by HornOrSilk

    I really like Hound -- it's a classic Holmes story -- and I like how unusual it is, to be more Watson-centered. However, I also like to have this one adaptation to be different, and add more Holmes to it. And I do note all the constant connections to the Blue Carbuncle mystery -- another one of my favorite Holmes stories.

  • Jan. 8, 2012, 6:12 p.m. CST

    Anyone know if they have plans to hit 'The Red-Headed League"?

    by obijuanmartinez

    One of my faves - I especially love the opening deductions Holmes makes on Jabez Wilson when they first meet!

  • Jan. 8, 2012, 6:20 p.m. CST

    So, really, this took three tales together

    by HornOrSilk

    Devils Foot, Hound, and a bit of the Blue Carbuncle for fun.

  • Jan. 8, 2012, 6:26 p.m. CST

    And as a funny aside

    by HornOrSilk

    One of the books I am reading is "The Memory Palace of Matteo Ricci." How apropos?

  • Jan. 8, 2012, 6:45 p.m. CST

    Enjoyable episode of Sherlock, but...

    by chronicallydepressedlemming

    Not a patch on last weeks episode.

  • Jan. 8, 2012, 6:49 p.m. CST

    Christian Bale

    by HornOrSilk

    It was a set up for next week. We were not supposed to know what it meant. It looks like Moriarty was locked away at some place, and was writing Sherlock's name throughout.

  • Jan. 8, 2012, 7:59 p.m. CST

    Yeah I think we were spoiled last week...

    by dj_bollocks

    This dragged, was disjointed and just didn't hit the spot for me... Being outside of London felt a little weird too... I totally missed the morse code dogging thing as well... D'oh !

  • Baskerville has always been among my least favorite of Holmes stories, this first half rather dragged, but the final act was pretty sweet. Next week could truly be awesome. I wonder if they'll literally have still Sherlock and Moriarty grappled together falling into a waterfall. Thing is, there won't really be any suspense, we know he won't die.

  • Jan. 8, 2012, 10:11 p.m. CST

    Better then the second episode of the 1st season

    by Bass Ackwards

    Of course not as amazing as last week's, that was to be expected though. Still a solid episode nonetheless. Do most secret military projects usually make up screen printed sweat shirts for the scientists involved? I'll have to keep an eye out for people walking around in MILAB baseball caps.

  • Jan. 8, 2012, 10:35 p.m. CST

    Thank you, the 2 Doctors (doctortom and drmorbius)

    by gotilk

    I have had Vernors. There's something unique about it. It has a heat and a sharpness about it. But I still have not had anything labeled ginger beer. I must seek it out. I will try Von's and BevMo. I bet BevMo would have it if anyone has. I mean, they do have Fucola Cola and Rat Bastard Root Beer, as well as Banana soda, Candy Corn soda (yuck) and ALL kinds of weirdness in liquid form. Still want to try Butterbeer. I bet its over-sweet and 5 dollars a pint.

  • Jan. 8, 2012, 10:35 p.m. CST

    Now....

    by gotilk

    ... to find the hounds.

  • Jan. 8, 2012, 11:56 p.m. CST

    Release the hounds!

    by DoctorTom

    That episode wasn't bad at all. I'll agree with others that it's not as good as last week's, but still it was good. Gatiss hasn't had a bad episode yet for Sherlock, hopefully this will continue.

  • Jan. 9, 2012, 12:01 a.m. CST

    Mistergreen - Masterpiece

    by DoctorTom

    I noticed on tonight's episode in the end credits that Masterpiece is listed as a coproduction, and that there's a credit before that listing Rebecca Eaton as Executive Producer for Masterpiece. Normally, just buying a series to show in a different country doesn't involve getting to have an Executive Producer credit. Now, it might be dropping a whole boatload of money to be listed as a coproducer, putting in money to help produce the show while they get some money off the back end. I wouldn't be surprised if Masterpiece as well as the BBC are making money off the DVDs and the iTunes/Amazon type downloads as part of the coproduction deal.

  • Jan. 9, 2012, 12:04 a.m. CST

    addendum to that Masterpiece bit

    by DoctorTom

    it would be nice if Moffat or someone else involved in or near the show could tell us what the coproduction deal is between the BBC and Masterpiece. Of course, it seems that there's lots of coproduction deals going on now. I know that BBC America did a deal with ITV for the 4th and 5th seasons of Primeval, and I think there's supposed to be some kind of spinoff of Primeval in Canada that will probably involve a coproduction deal over there.

  • Jan. 9, 2012, 1:29 a.m. CST

    Just curious, why do you guys care?

    by Bass Ackwards

    Is there some reason you think Masterpiece's co-production deal is so important that the show creators need to come out and inform the fans of how the various revenue streams are shared?

  • Jan. 9, 2012, 2:49 a.m. CST

    The Ending - to me implied

    by cushing1967

    That Moriarty might not quite be the master criminal from the books as such - it seemed to say that he might actually be a HOUND and that the real 'Moriarty' might be the government or similar? I'm not sure if that is going to be correct but if it were it would be a nice twist. Has Moriarty been conditioned to kill Holmes?

  • Jan. 9, 2012, 3:58 a.m. CST

    The sad thing about Vernors

    by HornOrSilk

    It's not as good as it used to be. If I remember correctly the company was bought out and the formula changed within the last couple decades. It is not the same - the flavor is less distinct. Alas.

  • Jan. 9, 2012, 5:19 a.m. CST

    cushing1967 interesting idea but how about this

    by HornOrSilk

    What if Moriarty put himself through it on purpose, because he didn't like the fact that he let Holmes go. That he feels he is weak in regards to Holmes?

  • Jan. 9, 2012, 6:15 a.m. CST

    Oh good grief ... did you really not notice? (*SPOILERS*)

    by veteran_of_mu

    At the end, the person who said ~let him go~. It was Mycroft. Bloody Gatiss. I really just can't stand him. Last week was so wonderful, so lean and taut and supple ... um, talking about the writing ... but now we're back in bloody comic book land. The episode was very nicely acted and directed - everyone worked very well to overcome another appalling Gatiss script. In fact at first I was almost gulled into thinking Gatiss might actually succeed at plotting a successful episode this time. It was really entertaining right up until the nonsense about the security breach. I mean ... biometrics. Really, no kidding, military security uses biometrics. That might be okay to overlook - if only there were some meat to the mystery, some sensible rationale to inspire it. But in the end we have nothing. H.O.U.N.D. being the names of the researchers ... some vague grudge between the protagonist and the antagonist based on pure deus ex machina ... humbug! As for what Gatiss meant with ~let him go~ ... unless I miss my guess, and I hope I do, he means that Jim Moriarty is a sock puppet for Mycroft. That Mycroft is using fear gas to control Jim for the purpose of ... well, unless I miss another guess, and now I really am desperate that I do, the purpose will be another vague grudge between the protagonist and the antagonist based on pure deus ex machina ... Bloody Gatiss!

  • Jan. 9, 2012, 7:13 a.m. CST

    Who actually wrote the ending?

    by HornOrSilk

    I wouldn't be surprised it was the Moff as a bridge...

  • Jan. 9, 2012, 8:57 a.m. CST

    bass ackwards

    by DoctorTom

    (note: I'm using * instead of quotation marks to avoid the post truncation problems) *Is there some reason you think Masterpiece's co-production deal is so important that the show creators need to come out and inform the fans of how the various revenue streams are shared? * Why does there have to be anything *so important*, as you put it, about the coproduction deal?I'm curious as to how they have the coproduction deal. I didn't know it was a crime to be curious, or that we had to meet some hypothetical level of importance to ask about it. We don't see the coproduction deal with things like Who, so I'd like to know what's involved to rank another company as coproducing the show. You'll notice that I mentioned asking someone in or near the production, not necessarily the creators. That said, the creators are the most public face and are the ones that people have the easiest access to. Your attitude strikes me as the same attitude of the BBC 3 Contoller asking himself *what's so important about the making of Doctor Who that we need to keep doing a show about it?* Some of us are interested in behind the scenes stuff with the shows. How a coproduction deal between the BBC and another company is just as valid a behind the scene activity as prosthetic work, set building, or watching Arthur Darvill go diving around sharks. If you don't care, that's fine, nobody put a gun to your head and forced you to read these posts. Just skip the posts marked *Masterpiece* and there shouldn't be any problem. The rest of the thread will still be there for you to read. Merrick, sorry about going negative here, but I felt the need to address bass ackwards question. I chose to take his question as an honest question even though the way the question was worded could certainly have been better if he didn't want to be projecting a confrontational attitude. Now, on to more positive things in other posts.

  • Jan. 9, 2012, 9:16 a.m. CST

    Caractuspotts, cushing1967 - the ending (*SPOILERS*))

    by DoctorTom

    When I watched it I also thought that might be Mycroft saying *let him go*. It makes an interesting slant on things if Mycroft is Moriarty's handler. I don't think that Mycroft is intentionally wanting Moriarty to kill Sherlock, though. I think that there were a couple of reasons for Mycroft controlling Moriarty, though (this speculaton might even qualify as a HAT): 1) If Mycroft's controlling the person who's effectively directing criminal activity, he can have knowledge of what's happening in those circles 2) If there's some activity that the government and/or Mycroft needs to have done that is on the shady side and the government doesn't want to be associated with, then Mycroft can have Moriarty direct things so that criminals take care of things instead. There's plausible deniability for the government. 3) If there's something going on in the criminal underground that Mycroft and/or the government doesn't want going on, then Mycroft can either have Moriarty deal with it directly, or set things up so Sherlock can take care of the problem. 4) Mycroft, knowing his brother Sherlock, may be doing this as a way of providing distractions/ *entertainment* to keep his brother's mind occupied. We saw at the beginning of this episode how Sherlock was without a case; Mycroft would know that he's like this and part of the reason for using Moriarty would be to keep Sherlock from succumbing to these problems (or from sinking into drugs or whatever when he gets completely bored). It does raise the interesting question though, of whether Moriarty is actually as smart (or nearly as smart) as Holmes, or if he's only a sock puppet and Mycroft is doing all the thinking and planning for Moriarty. Remember back in A Study in Pink, when Watson first met Mycroft, that Mycroft said that Sherlock would call him his archnemesis. What if it turns out that he actually is? That wasn't just hyperbole for a brotherly rivalry, but that Mycroft is actually manipulating things to provide nemeses for Sherlock to take care of?

  • Jan. 9, 2012, 9:20 a.m. CST

    hornorsilk

    by DoctorTom

    It might not have been Moffat writing the ending as a bridge, but given that Gatiss and Moffat are cocreators/showrunners, I'm certain they had talked about what they wanted as a bridge going into the final story. I do have to admit, though, the ending of this does strike me as being similar to the ending of Closing Time in having something tacked on that leads into the final episode. This time, though, the conditioning of Moriarty at least seems to be at least somewhat related to what happened in the main story (using similar techniques as were used in the main story).

  • Jan. 9, 2012, 10:04 a.m. CST

    doctortom true but what I was trying to point out

    by HornOrSilk

    These stories I think are written in a way which defies the simple "this is all Mark's writing." I do think this part was written by the Moff, tacked on at the end. It could have been Mark, to be sure, but it just seems more of the Moff. On the other hand, I bet Mark had input in "Scandal."

  • Jan. 9, 2012, 10:05 a.m. CST

    doctortom if your reading of the end is correct

    by HornOrSilk

    Then I think Mycroft is Frankenstein, and Moriarty will be Frankenstein's Monster.

  • Jan. 9, 2012, 10:23 a.m. CST

    hornorsilk, it's a valid point

    by DoctorTom

    I wouldn't be surprised to see Gatiss and Moffat contributing to each other's scripts on this series.

  • If the HAT I had earlier about this episode's ending is right, is it possible that Mycroft has found that Moriarty has outlived his usefulness and is manipulating Moriarty to put him in a positioni for Sherlock to eliminate him? Other points to ponder that might supplement or refute the HAT: 1) Moriarty sent that message to Mycroft when finding out about the plane. Is Moriarty doing some things behind Mycroft's back (or, at least, he thinks is behind Mycroft's back)? 2) On the other hand, Moriarty certainly knew how to get a message to Mycroft - have they been in communication before? 3) Who was that who called Moriarty in A Scandal in Belgravia? Was it possibly Mycroft calling in order to get Sherlock out of the spot he was in?

  • Jan. 9, 2012, 10:32 a.m. CST

    I have to admit, I liked the twist

    by HornOrSilk

    Liberty, Indiana... yes... Nice one. Being raised in Indiana... I didn't even think of it.

  • Jan. 9, 2012, 10:35 a.m. CST

    As for T-Shirts and all

    by HornOrSilk

    Yes, it does happen. Often it is a patch, but, a T-Shirt is possible in a world where T-Shirts are easy to make. To those not in the group, it will not be understood, so it doesn't cause much concern.

  • Jan. 9, 2012, 10:39 a.m. CST

    doctortom -- who called

    by HornOrSilk

    I'm not sure, but until proven otherwise, I think it is someone dealing with the Mona Lisa. For obvious reasons. Or Irene Adler calling him, and he thinks it is so funny she wants to trump the Holmes brothers, he lets Sherlock live. While there is a chance that Moriarty will become a Frankenstein Monster, and I don't discount that, I think it is more likely he was captured, interrogated, and got the authorities to believe he is not a problem. In other words, incompetence. I could be wrong.

  • Jan. 9, 2012, 10:40 a.m. CST

    Doctortom -phone call

    by Ian bandy

    Interesting theories, I always took from the narrative that it was Irene Adler who was ringing Moriarty in the previous episode to take him away from Holmes?

  • Jan. 9, 2012, 10:45 a.m. CST

    doctortom

    by Merrick

    ** Merrick, sorry about going negative here, but I felt the need to address bass ackwards question. ** No worries at all. I think conversations re: how these shows are produced are relevant for a number of reasons, and interesting as well.

  • Jan. 9, 2012, 11:27 a.m. CST

    Merrick - you know what would have been nice to have?

    by DoctorTom

    A Sherlock Confidential to talk about all the things going into the series. Unfortunately, given the chowderhead in charge of BBC3, we'd never get that. Maybe we could end up with some of the stuff that would normally go into a Confidential be shot and put on DVD collections as extras. It's obviously too late to do it for this season, but whenever they get around to Season 3 maybe they can arrange some extra goodies like that.

  • Jan. 9, 2012, 11:37 a.m. CST

    hornorsilk, ianbrandy - fair point (spoilers)

    by DoctorTom

    It probably was Irene Adler calling up. Horn, I don't buy that it was just a normal interrogation with Moriarty being let go due to incompetence, not if Mycroft is involved. Mycroft isn't incompetent. I had the feeling that Sherlock was getting implanted into Moriarty's brain during the session, the way the hound was being imprinted. With Mycroft in some ways being the government, it wouldn't be surprising if he had access to the project before and was using some of its methods. If it turns out that Mycroft wasn't running Moriarty all along, then we go to alternate HAT - the great game is between Moriarty and Mycroft, not Moriarty and Sherlock. We had Moriarty muck up Mycroft's plan in A Scandal in Belgravia, and now Mycroft is making his move in response - set Moriarty on Sherlock so that his brother can take care of the problem without Mycroft being seen to be involved. I can see this being a game between those two, but still I kind of like the undertones possible if it turns out Mycroft is the one behind Moriarty.

  • Jan. 9, 2012, 1:23 p.m. CST

    doctortom other explanations

    by HornOrSilk

    Well, after what Irene Adler said, Mycroft could have taken Moriarty in, and then made it as if he were letting Moriarty off (but plans to keep him under watch). The thing is, Mycroft in this series is more "in the middle of it" than most versions of Holmes. It makes sense he would be. Indeed, Mycroft and Moriarty seem to be two sides of the mirror which Sherlock objects to. They are opposite sides of the same coin. Sherlock is something else. In this way, Sherlock sees Mycroft and Moriarty both as his primary adversary. One wants to keep Sherlock safe and grounded, the other wants to kill him. One is all law and order, the other is all Joker-Riddler. But both Mycroft and Moriarty want control, and Sherlock is fighting the fight against such control. And so, though he is not going to support Moriarty, it makes sense Mycroft would somehow have ties to him. It makes sense that he is interrogating him. It also makes sense Moriarty is using that to his own advantage. I hope they do "The Empty Room" with Watson blaming Mycroft.

  • ...but I (personally) found it a touch odd that, considering their relationship, Mycroft would do whatever he did to grant Sherlock access to Baskerville. Am I off base here? Did Mycroft have an ulterior motive in doing so? Does his doing so support the theory that Mycroft is somehow running or handling Moriarty?

  • Jan. 9, 2012, 1:43 p.m. CST

    merrick (from his above possible spoiler)

    by HornOrSilk

    When watching it, I was wondering what Mycroft's own motives might have been for that. We don't have the scene where Holmes and Mycroft make their agreement to exactly know. However, the way I took it (unless proven otherwise wrong) is this: Mycroft was concerned that a rogue agent was causing problems at Baskerville. Sherlock is there on the case, so might as let him look around and find out what is going on. It would squash any potential problems from leaking and becoming worse.

  • Jan. 9, 2012, 1:57 p.m. CST

    DoctorTom

    by Celicynd

    RE: 1) Moriarty sent that message to Mycroft when finding out about the plane. Is Moriarty doing some things behind Mycroft's back (or, at least, he thinks is behind Mycroft's back)? Wait... That was Moriarty in S2E1? I watched that scene twice and didn't even realize that (and watched it again after reading this comment). Both my wife and I were confused by that intercut. Even looking at it now, his hairline looks completely different than Moriarty at the beginning of the episode.

  • Jan. 9, 2012, 3:13 p.m. CST

    A Topper

    by veteran_of_mu

    @Doctom, Never rub another man's rhubarb. Watch the end again. That cruel face, pale, serious, cold, calculating, whose glance lifts all the Sherlocks off the walls ... that's Professor Moriarty. Not Andrew Scott, the actor with the dark hair. The lean older actor with the grey hair. The lean older uncredited actor with the grey hair. And I think he's controlling Mycroft, not the other way around. Now that's a HAT.

  • Jan. 9, 2012, 3:57 p.m. CST

    OK - I'll be the first to admit I may be full of shit...

    by Merrick

    But if any of these theories we're batting around (Moriarty is a H.O.U.N.D, Mycroft may or may not be holding Moriarty's leash, etc.) - then we have to accept that the H.O.U.N.D gas *may* be an element that's been in play for some time. So, where would that put our understanding - or what we believe to be our understanding - of SHERLOCK thus far?

  • Jan. 9, 2012, 4:04 p.m. CST

    @merrick

    by veteran_of_mu

    Professor Moriarty, I think, is behind all of it ... just as he should be. And, I think, that will be the reveal at the end of the next episode - throwing Sherlock into an agony of doubt concerning everyone in his life - including Watson.

  • Jan. 9, 2012, 4:51 p.m. CST

    That was a VERY entertaining episode.

    by gotilk

    I don't think I'll be watching it 4 or 5 more times, not like the last one. But I will re-watch eventually. I really enjoyed it, a lot. On the T-shirt thing. I was hired when I was 14 to photograph smoke against a black background for an artist. Fun project. Especially for a kid who had never received pay for photography before. But about a year later I ran into the same artist who had set up shop in an old army base in town making custom t-shirts (he actually did the Black Death shirts that were worn by one of the DJs on WKRP.. Doctor Fever something..) . And I do recall he did do a lot of custom shirts for teams of all kinds. Not just sports. Business projects, etc. So it was common back then .. and later.. to have project t-shirts made in small runs.

  • Jan. 9, 2012, 4:52 p.m. CST

    Whotininnies?

    by gotilk

    *fart* Ahem. Excuse me. I mean.... next week perhaps?

  • Jan. 9, 2012, 5:48 p.m. CST

    I LOVED The Hounds Of Baskerville! (Spoilery Question inside...)

    by wtriker1701

    Did anyone else catch Dr. Franklin's *We met at The WHO conference*? (World Health Organization, of course, wink, wink...) Nicely played, Gatiss. I loved it! I found this episode intriguing AND full of suspense! Very scary... and fascinating!

  • This whole episode had a little Doctor Who feeling (especially being out of London, having this beautiful landscape and all the surroundings) for me. I thought, Cumberbatch made a good Tom Baker'y impression on me.

  • Jan. 9, 2012, 6:06 p.m. CST

    Deerstalker #2

    by veteran_of_mu

    I think Jim is James's son. Which naturally raises some interesting questions about Pere Holmes …

  • When they did the cut away to Nates father using the imaginary time machine to go to 1962, they were playing a variation on the Who team. This was followed by *What is that?* *It's a bow-tie. Bow-ties are cool.* The writers of Leverage are fans of the show. :)

  • Jan. 9, 2012, 6:50 p.m. CST

    Deerstalker #3

    by veteran_of_mu

    Jim thinks he's James's son. But he's just a hound.

  • Jan. 9, 2012, 7:04 p.m. CST

    wtriker1701 I caught the WHO reference..

    by notspock2

    but did I hallucinate Dharma initiative logos all over the place?

  • Jan. 9, 2012, 8:42 p.m. CST

    Umqra?

    by veteran_of_mu

    Not that I want to appear unhip or something - I mean I did know that dogging isn't ~just~ a pun - but could someone explain umqra?

  • Jan. 9, 2012, 8:44 p.m. CST

    @notspock2

    by veteran_of_mu

    All the subliminals said umqra. I guess if you turn the q upside down it would be umbra … ?

  • Jan. 9, 2012, 10:54 p.m. CST

    I have not seen Leverage since last year's finale...

    by gotilk

    which I caught by accident and actually found very entertaining. Is it good this season?

  • Jan. 9, 2012, 11:02 p.m. CST

    UMQRA

    by gotilk

    If you google it, it's actually quite entertaining. There are quality reports on the monetary value of an umqra domain name, tons of TUMBLR links, broken links, etc etc. I love this stuff.

  • Jan. 9, 2012, 11:31 p.m. CST

    People jump on the most obscure things, so fast now.

    by gotilk

    If any show mentioned the most obscure thing, say... Gibblenostrelumphrus. There would be someone out there registering the domain within 10 minutes. Or less.

  • Jan. 10, 2012, 12:46 a.m. CST

    Dogging makes UMQRA

    by veteran_of_mu

    Unbridled Mutiny-Quitter Roots Anytime Universal Mayhem Quartz Resonance Amplifier Uncoordinated Marketing Quintet Reveres Atoms Upset Mother Quickly Rushes Auntie Unhappy Manual Quaintly Restricts Alabaster Unique Miracles Quantum Rye Agenda Untied Masterful Queen Rock Ache Unwritten Misguided Quatrain Ridges Avocado Unlikely Misery Quiet Roaches Again Undercover Mean Quibble Revolt Age U Mustn't Queef Rudely, Alice ... Okay, on reflection I guess UMQRA is meaningless - that the flashing was caused by the car bobbing up and down during the dogging, not someone sending Morse.

  • Jan. 10, 2012, 4:29 a.m. CST

    @gotilk - I have no idea if Leverage is good this year.

    by V'Shael

    I literally watched it just to kill 45 minutes. It was entertaining enough, but I laughed out loud when I saw the repeated time machine references culminating in a bow tie, because bow-ties are cool. There's a reason Doctor Who is the biggest itunes seller in America, with more downloads than Mad Men, Dexter, Boardwalk Empire, etc... etc... It's awesome. :)

  • Jan. 10, 2012, 7:22 a.m. CST

    Umqra (minor spoiler)

    by Ian bandy

    Wasn't the flashing lights from the car explained by the guys quote inside the car "sorry I've caught my belt on it again"?

  • Jan. 10, 2012, 9:50 a.m. CST

    UMQRA

    by DoctorTom

    Undercover Moriarty Questions Reichenbach Activity

  • Unwitting Moriarty Questions Reichenbach Activity just because this can be construed from the letters doesn't make it evidence that Mycroft is running Moriarty, and the HOUND project was used to condition him). It makes for fun speculation, though. Or, Ultimate Moriarty Questions Raise Alarm or, Unseen, Moriarty Quietly Ransacks Apartment Undercover Mole Quietly Regards Adler These fit the show better than: Uncast Moby, Queequeg Require Actors Urkel's Most Questionable Roles Acting Ubiquitous Meme Queries Ravage Apple Maybe it's a warning to Kate Beckinsale: Underworld May Quietly Replace Actress

  • Jan. 10, 2012, 10:08 a.m. CST

    Leverage has been fairly entertaining this year

    by DoctorTom

    I've been watching it when it's been on. Then again, I've really enjoyed watching Timothy Hutton on tv since he played Archie Goodwin.

  • Jan. 10, 2012, 10:10 a.m. CST

    One thing I should say bout the latest Holmes episode

    by DoctorTom

    I really enjoyed seeing Lestrade in this episode. I like how they handled him here, and it's great that he's not being used merely as a stick-in-the-mud to make Holmes look better by having the police be sticks in the mud. It's nice that they're letting some personality into Lestrade.

  • Jan. 10, 2012, 11 a.m. CST

    doctortom agreed with Lestrade

    by HornOrSilk

    He deserves better than he normally gets.

  • Jan. 10, 2012, 12:13 p.m. CST

    Hmm. Invisible. Probably because I was rude.

    by veteran_of_mu

    The "other man's rhubarb" comment was intended as a joke - being a joker quote - but needed a smiley anyway. Apologies doctortom. That said ... No comment about the reveal of the real Professor Moriarty? I find him wonderfully and disturbingly sinister. The fingertips especially - never realised fingertips could convey such menace. I don't know who the actor is but that brief scene perfectly conveys him as a walking nightmare.

  • I thought maybe putting it in the title of the post would get it more attention. After all, who reads all of these things?

  • Jan. 10, 2012, 12:42 p.m. CST

    It's possible, caractuspotts

    by DoctorTom

    We might find that the Moriarty we've been seeing was just a sock puppet for the real Moriarty. (Having just rewatched The Great Game last night, I'm now picturing the Moriarty we saw going around with an ear bud getting instructions.) That might make things interesting - maybe the phone call to Moriarty from who we thought was Irene Adler at the beginning of A Scandal in Belgravia was actually from the real Moriarty. Or is that possibly James Moriarty's older brother, trying to set up some type of Mycroft/ Sherlock parallel? Or are they both sock puppets for Mycroft? And, will we get to see Col. Sebastian Moran on Sunday? I hope they don't wait until after The Reichenbach Fall to bring him in - it would be interesting to draw a parallel between the Holmes/Watson and the Moriarty/Moran relationships. Maybe Watson knew Moran as a sniper in Afghanistan? I'm sure we'll find out that Moran was one of the people drawing a bead on Watson at the end of The Great Game.

  • Jan. 10, 2012, 1:45 p.m. CST

    @doctortom

    by veteran_of_mu

    More than possible, I think. Also note this from Cumberbatch's recent interview on S2E3: ~You might see that it’s quite hard for me to make it back, after the end of the last episode.~ Now that's what you'd expect from Reichenbach ... but just how convincing they make it given we're all expecting the original blow-off, that's the question. They could do it without Moran I suppose. I rather wonder about the modern day equivalent of his sneaky air rifle ... this time next week we'll know.

  • Jan. 10, 2012, 2:05 p.m. CST

    I think at the end what Sherlock is going to do

    by HornOrSilk

    Imitate what he learned from Irene Adler to fake his death.

  • Jan. 10, 2012, 2:14 p.m. CST

    Caractuspotts

    by DoctorTom

    I remember Cummerbatch's comment about it being hard for him to make it back after next Sunday's episode. Then again, given that it seemed hard to bring him back from the ending of the original story (written long before comic books established the mantra *if there's no body then they're not dead*). SPOILERS FOR THE NEW GUY RITCHIE MOVIE - DON'T READ THIS IF YOU HAVEN'T SEEN IT YET BUT PLAN ON IT I was amused that the movie telegraphed Sherlock's way around the problem of the falls by showing the oxygen inhaler beforehand. Hopefully it's not Cummerbatch and Moriarty going over the falls with Moffat and Gatiss having planned on using the same trick, and now going *oh bugger, what do we do now?*. Now, for some reason, I have a hankering to go read the new Moriarty novel by Kim Newman, The Hound of the D'Ubervilles. (It looks like there are several stories in there, with one called A Shambles in Belgravia and one called The Greek Invertebrate). Either that or go back to some of the Michael Kurland or John Garland Moriarty books.

  • Jan. 10, 2012, 2:26 p.m. CST

    hornorsilk - that's a good thought

    by DoctorTom

    that's probably what's going to happen. Of course, if we take Caractuspott's theories on hand, we might find that Sherlock and the fake Moriarty supposedly die at the same time, and we find out in season 3 that Holmes faked his own death so that he could find the real Moriarty. Or end up tracing things back to Mycroft (if you go with the other theory).

  • Jan. 10, 2012, 2:39 p.m. CST

    Theory for the inevitable "Empty Room"

    by HornOrSilk

    In this version of Holmes, I hope Sherlock and Irene have two years of time together, both in hiding, both pretending to be dead, working together to fight their mutual foe... That would be a good way to bring Irene back for S3. The backstory when Sherlock explains to Watson what he had been doing during the time everyone thought he was dead. Also, as an aside -- what does Mycroft know or not know here? If Mycroft really is the foe here, this would also have interesting connections to the end of Scandal. Now, I really don't think Mycroft is the foe. I think for Sherlock, Mycroft was his enemy because he was the only one who challenged him. It was brotherly rivalry for him, nothing more. I also don't think Mycroft is behind the creation of Moriarty. I think we will find he had Moriarty picked up. Some people elsewhere suggest Moriarty wasn't being released but transferred. That might be the case. I just don't think they will go that far against the Holmes mythos to make Mycroft the villain. He is going to have to be there, with Lestrade, to console Watson for a couple years..

  • Jan. 10, 2012, 3:45 p.m. CST

    Mycroft under the thumb

    by veteran_of_mu

    Nice work, irregulars. I still see the professor in control until Sherlock and Irene return to topple him. Irene dies in the course of that, probably at the hands of the still unseen Moran and through the bungling of Lestraad. Then we can have the prof dead in the S3 denouement - but no body …

  • Jan. 10, 2012, 3:49 p.m. CST

    Oh, and haven't seen the Ritchie #2 yet so will say on that later.

    by veteran_of_mu

  • Or maybe it's the rash. Nope, rash is gone. (finally)

  • Jan. 10, 2012, 7:21 p.m. CST

    Whotinin.....

    by gotilk

    ...okay, I'll stop. It's bordering on obsession now.

  • Jan. 10, 2012, 8:09 p.m. CST

    Meanwhile, back at Android Invasion....

    by DoctorTom

    I got my copy today and am about to start watching the episodes themselves. I did see that there's an Easter Egg - in special features go to the Weetabix Advert entry, then press the right arrow key. Audio rushes for the show, but what's interesting is that the card shown indicates that the story at the time was called The Enemy Within - the name changed between then and broadcast. Merrick, I wanted to get your opinion. Did you watch the Coming Soon trailer? I know you watched Sensorites and wanted to get your opinion of how the trailer makes it seem compared to what you had posted before. It seems to me that their trailers have made just about every story look good (yes, even their trailer for Time and the Rani made it look far better than what the story actually was).

  • Jan. 11, 2012, 7:33 a.m. CST

    Reichenbach Fall preview online at

    by veteran_of_mu

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MimV42deNMA

  • Jan. 11, 2012, 7:49 a.m. CST

    Also ... A Tardis Sighting in Sherlock

    by veteran_of_mu

    There is something there ... but the Tardis? I don't think so ... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1qedL6mPPQ0

  • Jan. 11, 2012, 8:01 a.m. CST

    Well, about the TARDIS.. Moff on Twitter says

    by HornOrSilk

    steven_moffat Steven Moffat @ @a_study_in_pink Sue says that isn't the TARDIS, it was a lighting thing. But by my cuff links, what ELSE could it be??? 8 Jan

  • Jan. 11, 2012, 8:02 a.m. CST

    So there you have it, already a crossover...

    by HornOrSilk

    Thank you to Moff's tailor!

  • Jan. 11, 2012, 9:28 a.m. CST

    Ah, that was fun viewing last night

    by DoctorTom

    I watched the Android Invasion, and when it was over and I looked to see what was on TV, TCM was about halfway through showing Dr. Strangelove (possibly my favorite movie). I realized that the movie had been shown in 1963, so it shares the same anniversary year as Doctor Who. Because I had just finished watching Android Invasion, I kept wondering how the Doctor would have handled the situation in Dr Strangelove. I suppose it would depend on which Doctor we would have been dealing with. Pertwee would probably have infiltrated the army base, subdued General Ripper with his Venusian Aikido, then hypnotized him into giving up the codes. Later, to stop the other plane he'd quickly install something to soup up the plane, fly the souped up plane over to catch the other one (insert stock shots of jet fighters in the air) and forced them into landing before dropping the bomb. Matt Smith's Doctor would probably just materialize under Slim Pickins and the bomb, let them fall through to the swimming pool (finding a way to get Slim off the bomb), then delete the swimming pool room before the explosion could hurt the TARDIS. Or, set things up so that it would fall into the Zero Room and stop moving at that point (preventing an impact that would detonate the bomb), get Slim off the bomb then find a place to let go of the bomb safely. Tennant might appear by the bomb as it's dropping, pull Slim off the bomb and then sonic the bomb so that it won't detonate on impact (yes, something like he had going on in The Runaway Bride). Tom Baker would probably have done it during Douglas Adams' season, and would have used the TARDIS tractor beam that he had in one of the shows (I believe it was Creature From the Pit) and just stopped the bomb mid-fall, then worked on the bomb to disable it while it was being held by the tractor beam. Or, he'd have K9 stun the bomb. ;)

  • Jan. 11, 2012, 9:33 a.m. CST

    Thinking about the alternative title for Android Invasion

    by DoctorTom

    it points out one of the big problems (and no, I'm not talking about Milton Johns' eyepatch, that's a completely different big problem): the title itself telegraphs what's happening to the point where it actually can interfere with the mood being developed by the show. The first episode actually does a good job setting up a mood and raising questions about what's actually going on, but anybody who read the title of the story knows that the other people are androids. Interestingly, it seems that Terry Nation, one of the main perpetrators of this problem (what's the sense of having a Dalek appearing as the cliffhanger for Episode 1 when everybody knows they're going to be the bad guys because you've given it away with the title (insert word here) Of The Daleks.) wasn't the one trying to give the game away here.

  • Jan. 11, 2012, 2:34 p.m. CST

    I need to thank you guys

    by Kevin Bolinger

    If not for everyone in these Docbacks talking about Sherlock, I never would have sought the show out a few months ago. I love it! It is simply fantastic! So, a big thank you to all, and an even bigger thank you to Merrick for the way you run the Docbacks, the best forum on AICN!

  • Jan. 11, 2012, 3:43 p.m. CST

    I'm glad to hear you enjoyed them, darthdevious!

    by DoctorTom

    I had watched the episodes, and decided to go back and watch the DVDs now that the second season is being broadcast and it still amazes me how good the show is (especially the first story). I still have to watch the commentary for The Great Game, and the 60 minute pilot version of A Study in Pink, but will probably be doing that later this week (I've taken a time out from that for watching The Android Invasion - I still need to watch the commentary and the two long special features for that as well). Any there any more Breaux Show shenanigans coming up for you soon?

  • Jan. 11, 2012, 3:48 p.m. CST

    doctortom

    by Kevin Bolinger

    Yes, there is a comedy bit that Mike is editing now, the script was written by myself. Hopefully he should have it done in a few days, since i recorded and edited all my parts to help him. The main show will be back in Feb, but for now it is on hiatus, but small bits are still being made :P

  • Jan. 11, 2012, 4:20 p.m. CST

    darthdevious -- yes, Sherlock is a surprise

    by HornOrSilk

    I thought "oh, I would see it sometime" when the first series came out. I am a Holmes fan. I just didn't expect it to work too well. It really is top-notch. And I like how they engage several mysteries (original stories) in one episode.

  • Jan. 11, 2012, 4:43 p.m. CST

    Quick hello...

    by gotilk

    Happy to hear you're enjoying Sherlock, Darthdevious. Looking forward to your video. I finally hit the first Doctor Who reference in Ready Player One last night and I'm breezing through it (as much as I can on my schedule) now... almost angry when I have to put it down. I'm at around 100 pages in (I know... sloooow) and really, really into it. People tend to use the term *unfilmable* loosely. If I have ever read anything *unfilmable* it is Ready Player One. Hello, 100 million dollar licensing/likeness budget.

  • Jan. 11, 2012, 8:29 p.m. CST

    Where did everyone go?

    by gotilk

    I've asked this before, and I know because I had the option of auto-complete to ask the very same question. I love auto-complete. Mostly because it allows me to bother Merrick about WHOTININNIES!!!! again without actually having to type it out every time. *grin*

  • Jan. 11, 2012, 8:54 p.m. CST

    Can it be Wed Nes Day already?

    by gotilk

    Grabbed some cheap Who paperbacks at a used book sale today. Will post list in a couple of days. I left the bag in my sister's car. The guy selling them said that the library book sale sometimes has Who books. Most excited about Doctor Who and philosophy: Bigger on the inside. Anyone ever read that one? Like it?

  • Jan. 12, 2012, 4:58 a.m. CST

    From memory, because I am awake again and bored..

    by gotilk

    Doctor Who:Combat Rock (this because with a name like combat rock, who could forget it .... or resist it, even though it probably has nothing to do with people in camo playing electric guitar) Doctor Who: Deadly Reunion (had a cool cover featuring... was her name Bessie?? Or Bertie? The car?) That Doctor Who : Bigger on the inside philosophy book. I am hoping it is less a book about the *philosophy of The Doctor* and more an overview of philosophy from the point of view of the character. I love books like that, my favorite so far being Sophie's World, a joyous young adult novel about philosophy disguised as a mystery with time travel and 2 realities. That book is AMAZING. Wish they had done better than a cheap made for TV movie based on it. It deserved a big budget film. Doctor Who: Festival of Death or Festival of the Dead. I also grabbed 2 others, but I don't recall the titles. One had a statue of a fat woman, looked to be made of stone. Are any of these good finds? Anyway..... Quick update: Ready Player One is STILL amazing and I dream about it.... that's when you know you're reading a good book. Or seeing a great woman. ;-) I hate to come here and see no new posts for hours or even days. But I am happy to come in and post anyway. Just wish a few regulars would pop in and say HI!! Hope you are all having a great week. Be well and I'll be back. You can count on it. Oh and one more thing.... Whotininnies?? Friday?

  • Rewatching S2E2. Curious about why the word Hound caused Sherlock to take the case. So far no more glimpses of the Tardis. But I forgot to say - the tell about Professor Moriarty wasn't the Sherlocks coming off the walls. It was the fingertips. Watch the way the actor is holding his hands. That's deliberate. Also digging in a bit it seems the Doyle Moriarty had two younger brothers, one a colonel and one a station master. Both, apparently, also called James. Updating this a little perhaps M&G would make the younger Moriarty a clone ...

  • Jan. 12, 2012, 10 a.m. CST

    Cheap Who books, good deal gotilk!

    by DoctorTom

    What kind of paperbacks - were they old Target novelizations, or were they New Adventures/Missing Adventures Virgin books or the BBC Eighth Doctor or Past Doctor adventures? If they were the Virgin or BBC books you might have gotten a very good deal indeed! I haven't read Bigger on the Inside as a whole that I recall, though now that I think about it I might have actually gotten the book and read a little bit on it. If I did and can't recall, then that might be an opinion in and of itself. Hmmmm, another Iris Wildthyme story collection out now, I'll probably have to buy that at some point.

  • Jan. 12, 2012, 10:15 a.m. CST

    Okay, Gotilk, checking some places

    by DoctorTom

    Doctor Who: Combat Rock by Mick Lewis has one copy on ebay for $6.10.. From what I recall of reading it, it wasn't a shambles of a story but it wasn't the best either. It's a different take though, Mick Lewis wasn't a normal Who writer so his take was a bit different (this is a Troughton story involving cannibalism - if you're going to have a cannibalism story for Doctor Who I would see it working better as a Season 22 Colin Baker story as thematically the topic fits much better there). Festival of Death has one used copy on Amazon at $4.01, with the next cheapest copy being $8. On ebay the cheapest copy is over $15. I seem to remember liking this story. Doctor Who: Deadly Reunion has the cheapest listing as $15.39 for a used copy on Amazon (US - add shipping costs to that). I think you probably ended up getting a very good deal there! I have this one but I don't think I've read it yet. It's Barry Letts with Terrance Dicks writing it, though, and has the Brig in it, so it's probably what you'd expect. If you like Barry Letts with Pertwee, then you should like this. Even if you don't, it looks like you could turn around and sell it at a good price. Overall it sounds like you got a very good deal. Let us know what the other couple of novels were!

  • Jan. 12, 2012, 10:21 a.m. CST

    Caractuspotts - let's not go there

    by DoctorTom

    at least with the clone bit (even though they did talk about cloning in Hounds). There was some novel back in the 70's that I can't recall the title of (I think it came out in 76) that had Holmes and Moriarty as having come from the future or something like that and that they were clones (I think they might have been clones of the same person). It also brings back the feelings of dread that I don't want Sherlock to get into a mess like they had in the Spiderman comics with The Clone Saga. I recalled Moriarty having brothers. I think that in Kim Newman's story The Greek Invertrebrate (in the collection The Hound of the D'Ubervilles) the story deals with a Moriarty family reunion. Actually, a modified theory now is that the Jim Moriarty that we met at the end of Season one is one of the younger Moriarty brothers (possibly their take on the colonel?), and that at the end of S02E02 we saw a glimpse of the older Moriarty - the equivalent of the "true" Moriarty from the original stories.

  • Jan. 12, 2012, 10:27 a.m. CST

    whotininnies

    by Merrick

    Ken and I are ramping up for more podcasts. There've been a few unexpected and temporary scheduling changes in our lives - inescapable sorta things, although nothing necessarily bad - which are making our matching scheds to sit down and record for several hours at a stretch more challenging. Unfortunate timing given we're just coming out of the Holidays, which *also* messed with our schedules. But we'll be back in good form (not that such a term could ever truly be applied to Whotininnies) - much sooner than later. Friday? The weekend? Looking like... Stay tuned. And, as always, we truly appreciate your time, listening, and support. We will NEVER abandon you, Uzbekistan!

  • Jan. 12, 2012, 10:42 a.m. CST

    Thanks Merrick!

    by gotilk

    Great news!! Thanks.

  • Jan. 12, 2012, 10:44 a.m. CST

    Doctortom

    by gotilk

    I will post the other titles. My sis should be coming by later... AND we are going to the book sale. Yay! I'm about 160 pages into Ready Player One and it's INVADING MY BRAIN! (in a good way)

  • Jan. 12, 2012, 11:10 a.m. CST

    Good news, Merrick!

    by DoctorTom

    Glad to hear that Whotininnies will be continuing!

  • Jan. 12, 2012, 11:13 a.m. CST

    Gotilk - glad to hear you're enjoying the novel

    by DoctorTom

    It was definitely one of my favorites for the year (like I said, for me it's probably a tossup between that and The Amazing, the Astounding and the Unknown). I'd like to see the screenplay Ernest Cline's supposed to be working on based on his novel. If it's as good as the novel it would be very cool to see him write for Who in some form.

  • Jan. 12, 2012, 11:18 a.m. CST

    Script to Screen is back!

    by DoctorTom

    news posted at BBC's Doctor Who website. I'm very glad that Moffat and the BBC are going ahead with this, it seems a very good way to get kids interested in the process of making television or movies. It also probably means that we'll be getting a Doctor Who short that will be shown later this year (maybe even before Season 7 starts? I haven't looked at all the details of the competition to see if it might work out that way timewise. I also find it interesting that this is going on through Blue Peter. There's always been the connection between the two, and since the demise of Doctor Who Confidential, doing it through Blue Peter makes the most sense. I get the feeling that continuing this through Blue Peter is one way of Moffat blowing a raspberry at the controller of BBC3.

  • Jan. 12, 2012, 11:22 a.m. CST

    Who/Sherlock crossover

    by DoctorTom

    I'd actually like to see a sly Who/Sherlock crossover. It wouldn't involve seeing the Doctor or regulars from that series at all, but I'd love it if for at least a little bit of a story Holmes or Watson have to check out something in Upper Leadworth. And, even better, they make a point of showing the duck pond, with ducks in it.

  • Jan. 12, 2012, 11:23 a.m. CST

    or even...

    by DoctorTom

    Sherlock trying to figure out where the ducks went, but it turns out the answer is something besides the ducks having gone down a crack in the fabric of spacetime...

  • Jan. 12, 2012, 12:06 p.m. CST

    Funny article in the New Statesman

    by DoctorTom

    http://www.newstatesman.com/blogs/helen-lewis-hasteley/2012/01/moffat-sherlock-women Two women going on about how Moffat is sexist because of how he portrayed Irene Adler. The one who originally made the argument tries to dismiss Amy Pond as a character because of a comment Moffat supposedly made about her audition tape. What's really good about this, though, is that Moffat (or someone using his name, though given how it's written I do think it's really him) had a posting in the middle of the comments section: *** For goodness sake, is this STILL going on? What about Mark Gatiss and dogs?? Every time a dog turns up in one of Mark's stories it's always part of some big government-conspiracy-murder-plot-secret-base thing. And it gets shot by Rupert Graves. EVERY SINGLE TIME. Certainly once, anyway. (Or it might have been Martin Freeman.) And Mark played a bad vet once, who probably killed dogs. And he's never written any positive role-model dogs into his Doctor Who stories. At least I don't think he has, I can't be bothered checking right now. And he once mentioned dogs to me in a slightly frowny way, though he might have been thinking of something else. And he might not have been talking about dogs, actually, I can't really remember. Look, if I'm honest, I haven't faintest about his personal views on animal welfare, but surely I can be confident in deducing them from his adaptation of Hound Of The Baskervilles and selected episodes of League Of Gentlemen (and that Doctor Who with the scary dolls, because I think you heard a cat in it) and then pontificating about them in public? So, Mark, sorry to call you out on this in the middle of a public forum, but WHAT ABOUT POSITIVE DOGS????? *** Positively hilarious, with a nice barb back at the original authors near the end.

  • Jan. 12, 2012, 1:21 p.m. CST

    Why there are no ducks on the duck pond

    by veteran_of_mu

    @doctortom, You might have missed the HAT that MOV called ~*VERY* close to the truth~. The duck pond is a Tardis with its chameleon circuit on. My guess was Rory's (The Master's) Tardis. But, apparently, in MOV's Manoverse anyway, either Rory is not the Master or the duck pond is not his Tardis though ... to the limit of forthcomingness ... Anyway I think the crossover should be even subtler than this. Just having a vaguely Tardis-like object in the background of one scene per episode is fine by me. Maybe a hint of petrichor. Watson glancing at the bottom of of a striking ginger girl ...

  • Originally the plan had been to shoot the ending scene of The Big Bang elsewhere, so that at the end you see the TARDIS dematerialize, and its dematerialization would reveal the duck pond behind it, now with ducks in it. Unfortunately they had to change the location of where they shot that scene so that it was just outside Amy's TARIDS, er, house instead. You could just have people from Leadworth visit Sherlock, who passes on the case of the missing ducks, or just give a quick one line answer (they flew South, or the butcher caught them all and is passing them off as chicken, or something like that). You wouldn't necessarily even nead to mention the town's name, just that there's missing ducks.

  • Jan. 12, 2012, 2:11 p.m. CST

    doctortom

    by gotilk

    Cline's screenplay has been finished for quite a while. The hardback edition of the book I have even mentions the movie almost as a done deal, although it probably is not. I think the movie will happen, somehow. But he has said he's done with the screenplay, which is truly exciting. Now what I want is OASIS for my PS3 (once it's working again) and a HMD with head tracking in 3d and I'm set to go. Who wants to go in with me on a plot of land for the first stack?

  • Jan. 12, 2012, 2:13 p.m. CST

    doctortom Thank you for that article/comment.

    by gotilk

    That gave me a huge chuckle.

  • Jan. 12, 2012, 2:22 p.m. CST

    Gotilk - it depends

    by DoctorTom

    when we build on the plot of land can we put a TARDIS on it? :)

  • And once you put the glasses on, it could be bigger on the inside as well. Man... reading this book makes me want to pick up programming and start building environments right this second. You know some of that stuff has been around the corner for... what?.... 25 years now? Now all we need is the retinal projection in a consumer product (it already exists in high res, 3d, but not in the marketplace, yet), better Internet and a community of talent to build the worlds. The talent is there, evidenced in the gorgeous work being done in places like Second Life (there are many TARDISes..es..), but bandwidth is so slow and spotty pretty much everywhere but Japan right now. Many have said that the processing power isn't there. But you gotta remember... The first time I tried fully 3d, head-tracked, head-mounted display virtual reality was almost ...hmmm... mid 90s? I was hooked.It was gorgeous back then, and it was running on a few friggen AMIGA computers. AMIGAS! So it's not the processing or the graphics processing. For fully realistic environments that look like reality, and I mean FULLY, yes we're still a few years off before that could get into the hands of the average consumer at a 3 to 500 dollar price point. But not too many years. For now we could have some pretty awesome VR at home with the right PS3 peripheral/display. (head mounted, retinal projection, either way) We know the PS3 can process graphics in real 3d. What we need above all of these things is a demand by the public. The monetary STING of previous attempts to bring VR into the home may still be fresh for some management. Remember the first couple of Nintendo failures? That glove thing (not really VR, but hacked for its use later). Then the *Virtual Boy*, which was one of the worst ideas ever made into actual hardware. One-color Vector wireframes??? Why? The only thing that did, much like the over-priced but lovely *Virtuality Centers*, was ruin any chance of anyone having VR for about 18-20 years. Maybe more. Maybe this book and the coming film will re-ignite interest. Maybe we can pull our noses out of our itty bitty portable Facebook updaters (that's what they really are, let's face it, I make maybe 3 calls a week on mine) long enough to realize the future arrived already and we missed it. I want my OASIS!! Heh. You think I'm passionate now. Wait until I actually finish the book. Tell you what, when we finally get our OASIS equivalent , we'll start a competition and see who can build the best TARDIS, complete with interior and extra rooms. But I bet you about 10 thousand others will be doing the same thing. Except ours will be cooler.

  • Jan. 12, 2012, 3:14 p.m. CST

    If anyone ever made a Doctor Who-specific controller for

    by gotilk

    a VR rig, it would have to include a MANDATORY button directly in the middle, easily reached by a thumb in an emergency.... a button that says... *Basically, RUN!* Or just *RUN*.

  • Jan. 13, 2012, 12:17 a.m. CST

    What a haul!

    by gotilk

    Okay, first the bad news. NO more Doctor Who books. Yet. (3 more days, and they constantly bring more books out) But they DID have 2 Quantum Leap books?? I didn't even know those EXISTED. And no. I didn't. The good news. I got a perfect condition Snow Crash! I got a signed copy of Chuck Palahniuk's book, RANT, for 2 dollars. I got 2 interesting, obscure titles and a new copy of The Time Traveler's Wife. Mine was just destroyed by being loaned, spilled upon, read 2 more times and loaned again. And the money I spent goes to the SPCA, which is very cool. I am now re-hooked on book sales.*** And the other 2 Doctor Who books my sister brought back to me are The Clockwise Man (9th Doctor) and Made Of Steel (10th). Made of Steel looks interesting. But I'm most looking forward to reading the Philosophy book, really. *** I think I have the *book bug* again, sadly. This is a terrible disorder/disease. It involves sagging bookcases and cluttered live/work spaces as well as wallets that shrink before your eyes. Astounding!

  • Jan. 13, 2012, 1:11 a.m. CST

    Side-stepping the retina for VR

    by veteran_of_mu

    There is a VR technology that can side-step the retina to pour ideas and images directly into the brain. The technology compacts these so efficiently they can be transmitted down extremely slow and unreliable communications channels and still render perfectly at the other end. The user experience is immersive, compelling, and integrates perfectly into a wide variety of other mediums. Matter of fact you're experiencing it right now ... This is to say that I don't believe there is any real benefit to immersive VR we don't already enjoy. Look at the gimmick that is 3D movies. After the first 5 minutes you don't even notice it. The same went for the gimmick that is colour movies. Matter of fact the first time I saw WB cartoons in colour - Australia had only B&W TVs until 1974 - I was disappointed because the colours weren't as good as the ones I was used to supplying with my own brain. The same was true of talkies, and before that movies themselves. The technology simply isn't important. It's the ideas and images that are important - and they transmit just fine without data gloves and retinal implants. Not to say gimmicks aren't fund - they are - but I think for 99.99% of humans they're really not going to change what they get out of the experience.

  • Jan. 13, 2012, 1:16 a.m. CST

    @doctortom - art comes from happenstance

    by veteran_of_mu

    Sure, they might have failed to show the ducks because of happenstance. But now the idea that the duck pond is really a Tardis is irresistible I think.

  • Jan. 13, 2012, 1:17 a.m. CST

    Um, fun, not fund.

    by veteran_of_mu

  • Jan. 13, 2012, 8:58 a.m. CST

    Snow Crash!

    by DoctorTom

    I REALLY want a good movie of that book. LIke I said before, get the Wachowski brothers. The skateboarding bit late in the book shot in bullet-time would be awesome. I would think that you ought to be able to sell a studio on making the movie on the opening alone - the Pizzanator delivering a 20 minute old pizza. Damn, now I might have to go back and reread the book.

  • Jan. 13, 2012, 9:01 a.m. CST

    It's perfectly resisible, caractuspotts

    by DoctorTom

    We all know that it was actually Amy's House that's the TARDIS, not the duck pond. :) Now, if the cracks in time have turned the duck pond into the equivalent of the Untempered Schism, now THERE you could spin out some fun stuff.

  • Jan. 13, 2012, 9:01 a.m. CST

    Hmm, there should have been a t in resistable.

    by DoctorTom

    I think it fell through the duck pond into the space time vortex.

  • Jan. 13, 2012, 2:32 p.m. CST

    Deliverator. And …

    by veteran_of_mu

    The schism isn't a place … at least not in the pottiverse it's not. In the tomsmos, maybe, but I'm locked out of there …

  • Jan. 13, 2012, 2:35 p.m. CST

    Oh dear. Parallel Multiverses.

    by veteran_of_mu

    Or maybe polymultiverses. Ugh. Disgusting.

  • Jan. 13, 2012, 2:59 p.m. CST

    Actually, potentially worse than that.

    by veteran_of_mu

    Qm says potentially a multiverse on top of our respective fictional Multiverses. The schism is a complex event in the multipolylambdaverse!