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I am – Hercules!!

Bill O’Reilly is making headlines for his most recent Thursday show on Fox News. He used the time to blast last Tuesday’s crossdressing-themed episode of “Glee,”  the most popular scripted hourlong on the Fox broadcast network.

“Here's the problem with a show like ["Glee"],” O’Reilly said. “If you make the behavior of these people ... if children hear it, unsupervised children, okay who don't have parents watching their -- they might go out and experiment with this stuff.”

O’Reilly’s concerns may have been prompted by former New York mayor Rudolph Giuliani, who as a boy was a big fan of “Texaco Star Theatre” and Milton Berle, its cross-dressing host.

Almost certainly not in retaliation, Sunday night’s repeat of the “Simpsons” pilot (in celebration of the Fox Network’s 25th anniversary) featured this new title card at the end:

Congratulations FOX on 25 years …
We still love you.*

*This doesn’t include Fox News.

This is far from the first time “The Simpsons” has disparaged Fox News over the years:

News Corp., which owns both Fox and Fox News (among many, many other things), has always been one schizophrenic conglomerate in this regard.

While O’Reilly rails against the judicial overturn of California’s anti-gay-marriage Proposition 8 and Sean Hannity repeatedly attacks openly homosexual Obama Education Department appointee Kevin Jennings, News Corp. rakes in the bucks airing gay-magnets like “Glee” and “American Idol” and FX’s “American Horror Story.”

No one is saying O’Reilly is jealous of “Glee’s” much larger ratings, but Fox News is said to attract television’s oldest audience, and has seen massive ratings declines in recent years. Here’s how “The O’Reilly Factor” has been doing compared to “Glee” on recent Tuesdays:

Tuesdays, Jan. 31-April 17, 2012
(adults 18-49; previous weeks in parentheses; repeats in gray)
3.3 (3.5) (3.2) (---) (---) (---) (---) (---) (---) (---) (---) (---) The Voice
3.0 (3.1) (1.9) (3.5) (3.4) (2.1) (2.4) (3.5) (3.6) (3.9) (4.2) (2.0) NCIS
2.7 (2.8) (2.3) (2.6) (2.7) (2.8) (3.0) (---) (3.0) (3.1) (3.5) (3.5) New Girl
2.5 (2.3) (2.8) (3.1) (---) (---) (---) (---) (---) (---) (---) (---) Dancing/Stars
2.4 (2.7) (---) (---) (---) (---) (---) (---) (3.0) (2.8) (3.3) (3.7) Glee
2.3 (2.1) (2.0) (2.0) (2.3) (2.1) (2.0) (2.0) (2.3) (2.1) (2.3) (2.1) Biggest Loser
2.0 (2.4) (1.5) (3.0) (2.8) (1.9) (1.9) (3.1) (2.7) (3.2) (3.1) (1.8) NCIS LA
--- (1.9) (2.0) (2.0) (0.9) (1.4) (0.9) (1.4) (1.5) (1.2) (---) (1.0) Body of Proof
1.8 (1.8) (1.6) (1.5) (1.6) (1.8) (2.1) (---) (2.1) (2.1) (2.1) (2.0) Raising Hope
1.7 (---) (---) (0.8) (0.8) (2.1) (---) (---) (2.1) (2.6) (2.2) (2.3) Private Practice
1.6 (1.8) (---) (---) (1.9) (1.3) (1.3) (2.2) (2.2) (2.2) (2.4) (1.6) Last Man Standing
1.5 (1.8) (1.5) (1.5) (1.8) (1.6) (---) (---) (---) (---) (---) (---) Fashion Star
1.5 (1.8) (1.2) (2.1) (2.1) (1.3) (1.4) (1.9) (2.0) (2.3) (2.2) (1.4) Unforgettable
1.4 (1.5) (---) (---) (1.6) (1.4) (1.5) (1.6) (1.7) (1.8) (---) (---) Cougar Town
--- (---) (1.3) (1.4) (1.3) (1.5) (1.7) (---) (---) (---) (---) (---) Breaking In
1.2 (1.4) (---) (---) (---) (---) (---) (---) (---) (---) (---) (---) Deadliest Catch
1.1 (1.2) (1.1) (1.3) (1.2) (1.2) (1.3) (1.3) (0.6) (1.2) (1.4) (1.6) The Game
1.1 (1.4) (---) (---) (---) (---) (---) (---) (---) (---) (---) (---) NBA Basketball
1.0 (0.9) (0.9) (---) (1.1) (1.0) (0.9) (0.9) (1.0) (0.8) (1.1) (---) Real Housewives OC
0.8 (0.7) (0.9) (0.9) (---) (0.9) (0.7) (0.8) (0.9) (0.9) (0.6) (1.1) The Daily Show
0.8 (0.7) (1.0) (1.1) (1.1) (---) (0.5) (0.5) (0.5) (0.9) (0.9) (1.1) Hardcore Pawn
0.8 (0.9) (0.9) (0.9) (1.0) (0.9) (0.8) (1.0) (---) (0.9) (0.9) (1.1) Let’s Stay Together
0.8 (0.9) (0.8) (1.1) (---) (---) (---) (---) (---) (---) (---) (---) 16 & Pregnant
0.8 (0.8) (0.6) (0.7) (0.7) (0.6) (0.7) (0.6) (0.7) (0.8) (---) (---) Top Shot
0.7 (0.6) (0.6) (0.7) (---) (0.6) (0.6) (0.6) (0.7) (0.7) (---) (0.7) Colbert Report
0.6 (0.7) (0.7) (0.6) (0.9) (0.8) (0.8) (0.6) (0.8) (0.6) (0.7) (0.9) Chopped
0.5 (0.4) (0.6) (0.6) (0.6) (0.5) (0.5) (0.6) (0.5) (0.6) (0.5) (0.5) Conan
0.5 (0.4) (0.4) (0.5) (0.5) (0.4) (0.5) (0.4) (0.5) (0.4) (0.5) (0.6) Ringer
0.4 (---) (---) (---) (---) (---) (---) (---) (---) (---) (---) (---) Amish
0.4 (---) (---) (---) (---) (---) (---) (---) (---) (---) (---) (---) Fact Or Faked
0.4 (0.4) (0.4) (0.4) (0.4) (0.4) (0.4) (0.4) (0.4) (0.5) (---) (---) House Hunters Intl
0.3 (0.3) (0.3) (0.4) (---) (0.3) (---) (---) (0.3) (0.3) (0.4) (---) Hannity
0.3 (0.4) (0.4) (0.3) (0.5) (0.4) (0.4) (---) (0.4) (0.4) (0.4) (---) House Hunters
0.3 (0.3) (0.3) (0.7) (0.7) (0.6) (0.7) (---) (---) (---) (0.7) (0.7) 90210
0.3 (0.3) (0.3) (0.4) (0.3) (0.3) (---) (0.4) (0.3) (0.3) (0.4) (---) O’Reilly Factor

While “The O’Reilly Factor” has long stood as the top show on the cable news networks, the real story is that in this Internet age, virtually no one watches the cable news networks.

Last Tuesday, “The O’Reilly Factor” drew a smaller 18-49 audience than very old basic cable repeats of “Big Bang Theory,” “American Dad,” “Robot Chicken,” “Law & Order SVU,” “Storage Wars,” “Tosh.0,” “The Boondocks,” “Pawn Stars,” “Friends,” “CSI,” “Swamp People,” “Two and A Half Men,” “Seinfeld,” “Criminal Minds,” “The King of Queens” and “Hardcore Pawn.”

A 2:30 a.m. repeat of “Family Guy” on the Cartoon Network drew (and not atypically) TWICE the audience of “The O’Reilly Factor” that night.

“The Colbert Report,” essentially a parody of “The O’Reilly Factor,” garners more than twice the key demo audience of “The O’Reilly Factor.”

Find a more complete list of cable repeats that beat "O'Reilly" here.

Find the New York Daily News’ story on the matter here.

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  • April 23, 2012 6:37 PM CST

    Oh really O' Reilly...

    by workshed

    ...come into the 80's ferfucksake. Bigot.

  • Here's a response to his moronic comment by one of the foremost authorities on Astrophysics. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a5dSyT50Cs8

  • April 23, 2012 6:40 PM CST

    I can't stand O'Reilly

    by oisin5199

    but he can't be all bad. He seems to have enough of a sense of humor to be friends with Jon Stewart and collaborate with him on a recent funny bit on the Daily Show. But yeah, after all the gayness of Glee, the crossdressing is where O'Reilly draws the line? Really?

  • April 23, 2012 6:42 PM CST

    Fuck Fox News

    by Mugato5150

    Fox News makes the news channel on Starship Troopers look dignified.

  • April 23, 2012 6:44 PM CST

    You don't bite the hand that feeds Billo

    by JZM

  • April 23, 2012 6:45 PM CST

    AICN Conservatives

    by NathanGrey

    Will really like those Guliani pics, they are all in the closet.

  • April 23, 2012 6:46 PM CST

    I thought this was aintitcoolnews

    by yungb

    Could of swore I was reading a mediamatters article.

  • April 23, 2012 6:56 PM CST

    Fox News IS the hand that feeds

    by Emerald Snoggingbottom

    Keeps the whole fuckin corp afloat. Fuck glee and it's tired bullshit

  • April 23, 2012 7:01 PM CST

    Nathangrey

    by Dr. Hfuhruhurr

    It is possible to be conservative and not hate homosexuals. For example, I don't hate you.

  • April 23, 2012 7:02 PM CST

    It's Glee, Who gives a shit?

    by atlatl

  • http://www.thesmokinggun.com/documents/crime/oreilly-falafel-suit-turns-five

  • April 23, 2012 7:06 PM CST

    lol @ Fox News feeding anything

    by NathanGrey

    2 million viewers? Are all Republicans that fucking dumb.

  • April 23, 2012 7:20 PM CST

    You ain't seen anything yet.

    by UltimaRex

    Between the simmering hacking scandal and the upcoming quackery over the election Fox News may well implode. Good.

  • April 23, 2012 7:22 PM CST

    Remember that Herc is a Registered GOPer...

    by nemov

    That's why all of his political posts bash anyone he considers a conservative. We're supposed to think he's "above it all" because remember he's a "registered Republican."

  • April 23, 2012 7:27 PM CST

    What a fucking tool. God forbid...

    by jimmy_009

    A kid experiment with things, like their own sexuality. Fuckhead.

  • April 23, 2012 7:31 PM CST

    Fox News is Hilarious

    by amendmentforone

    They lead the dying cable news game (averaging 2-3 million viewers), which declines with each wave of 80 year olds who still watch cable news dying, but pretend that they are the underdog fighting against the behemoth "mainstream media." CNN, which is desperately trying to be cool like the 27-year-old hanging out at a high school party, and MSNBC which is only "angry liberal counterpoint" barely average, what, like 700,000 - 1 million viewers? When Glenn Beck was on the network, its advertising rates were basically a goldmine for Newscorp. Although now, I guess, they're back to just shilling more affordable rates to Head On, Life Alert and Medicare-rate automated wheelchairs. The "fair and balanced" bit is the best part though. It's like that last, snide, kick to the balls to liberals. "Yeah, fuckers, we say 'fair and balanced' but we're still going to use our coverage to buttfuck the stuff you like. Ha!"

  • April 23, 2012 7:32 PM CST

    Im sick of politics - America is finished.

    by grendel69

    This coutnry was sold down the river 3 decades ago and nothing will ever change. Ive gone out of my way to not hear any news the past few months, and have been much happier. The world can blow itself to hell for all I care - people are stupid and that wont change. Enjoy your partisan propaganda, parroting your bullshit talking points and your lawmakers who have sold you out, while lining their own pockets. For me its golf, fishing, enjoying music and movies, etc. Dont care what happens out there anymore. Im done.

  • That Michael Bay movies make hundreds of millions of dollars - meaning, quantity is NOT quality. I feel bad for those who still fall for the mantra that is Fox 'News,' - Fair and Balanced ... it's not. It's GOP TV. Period. And unfortunately it's undermining our country's future because it sells lies and misinformation to gullible people.

  • April 23, 2012 7:44 PM CST

    Herc again shows his partisan *republican* idiocy...

    by jay2517

    ...u do know that Fox News and Fox Network are two different venues, correct? one does news and commentary and the other has regular TV shows, correct? news. TV shows. why would BOR not do commentary on something just because its on the Fox Network? is BOR not allowed to disagree with something just because its part of News Corp? what kind of idiot logic is that? oops, rhetorical question. *While O’Reilly rails against the judicial overturn of California’s anti-gay-marriage Proposition 8 and Sean Hannity repeatedly attacks openly homosexual Obama Education Department appointee Kevin Jennings,....*--- and this has to do with what? it was a news story and BOR done commentary on it. what? Herc doesnt cover MSNBC's idiot Ed Shultz for *railing* on his show? why is that, hypocrite? and Hannity *repeatedly attacks* ALL democrats. their sexual orientation has NOTHING to do with it. get ur head out of ur progressive...i mean *republican* ass Herc. *but Fox News is said to attract television’s oldest audience,...*--- u say their age is 65. well, MSNBC's is 59. CNN is 63. i guess MSNBC and CNN are fucked too? why no report of that hypocrite?? *has seen massive ratings declines...*--- yea, from a 2010 fucking report. imagine that! cherry pick much, Herc?? *No one is saying O’Reilly is jealous of “Glee’s” much larger ratings,...*--- sooo, WHY are u inferring it? and WHY the fuck should a news channel or commentator BE jealous of network tv shows?? they ROUTINELY get beat by network TV shows. also, WHY arent u reporting of BOR BEATING Brian William's Rock Center, which so happens to be on NETWORK tv, Herc?? guess that would fit ur narrative eh? *While “The O’Reilly Factor” has long stood as the top show on the cable news networks, the real story is that in this Internet age, virtually no one watches the cable news networks.*--- then why the hell are u making a big fucking deal over BOR ratings? u just undermined ur own freaking talking point. yeesh. *Find a more complete list of cable repeats that beat "O'Reilly" here.*--- good lord man! BOR is the #1 rated news commentary show on tv. so, shouldnt everyone else that he soundly beats in the ratings ALSO be getting beat by these same cable repeats?? WHY no article slamming their ratings or boasting on how they get beat by the cable repeats?? WHY no *MSNBC's Rachel Maddow gets routinely beat out by cable repeats again!* by Hercules or *MSNBC cannot support weekend news coverage because Lockup gets better ratings* by Hercules??? like i said up top, get ur head out of ur progressive (we all know ur not a republican) ass...

  • April 23, 2012 7:45 PM CST

    When all else fails, mention Media Matters.

    by Flip63Hole

    Faux News is the pink slime of news and you sheep keep on eating it no matter who tells you about the sludge you've been feeding on all these years.

  • ...damn, I'd like to split her like a piece of lumber.

  • ... it's clearly implied that not a lot of people watch Rachel Maddow or Piers Morgan's shows either. Unless you (like a lot of Fox News fans) don't consider CNN or MSNBC cable news networks. Another thing I failed to mention is while O'Reilly's ancient audience is literally dying off, Maddow's much newer show continues to grow in viewership.

  • April 23, 2012 8:08 PM CST

    Herc, this has to be your best post yet.

    by Nick

    Not because it rails on any political party or TV conglomerate, but it was thoroughly researched and well written. Well done.

  • April 23, 2012 8:09 PM CST

    And I wasn't trying to be sarcastic.

    by Nick

    It's hard to tell on this website sometimes. This was meant to be true praise. Well done.

  • April 23, 2012 8:10 PM CST

    Fox News...

    by KevinMuller

    The Homer clip with him accusing Brockman of being a Liberal is exactly what it is like to live in my household. My father feeds into this channel so blindly it is sickening. I love the guy, but anything this channel tells him he believes. Anyone who disagrees in his mind is either not a patriot (2004-2009's label) or a communist (2010-present's label).

  • Most registered Republicans favor birth control and the Buffet Rule. Just like me.

  • Oh my, I wish I was making this up. I can't see how any thinking man can call him self a conservative while you have tools like this as the ideological leaders of your political movement. I guess Bill didn't realize that there's 150+ moons in our solar system. http://knowyourmeme.com/memes/bill-oreilly-you-cant-explain-that

  • April 23, 2012 8:27 PM CST

    Hercs a republican?

    by JamesT

    He keeps saying that but not sure that I'm buying it.

  • By the way, that pro-Glee guest ALSO HOSTS HER OWN SHOW on FOX News. But yes, it's a monolithic bastion of right-wing fanaticism...

  • I'll give you that it's OTT as they come, but this is the first I've heard of that show having a large gay following.

  • April 23, 2012 8:37 PM CST

    dahveed1972

    by Hercules

    With regard to taxation, I (like most registered Republicans) favor the Buffet Rule and using tax dollars to reduce the deficit. Like the founding fathers, I believe in separation of church and state. Like the majority of Americans and a sizable minority of Republicans, I am pro-choice.

  • April 23, 2012 8:38 PM CST

    Conservative Extremists have taken over the GOP

    by DavidBanner

    Ronald Reagan started the downfall of the party. He was so ignorant about economics, science, the military,history, government, and well just about everything a President needs to know that he began the deterioration of the Country. He believed in a "service" economy that didn't manufacture and instead would just offer services. Let other countries actually make things and the U.S. will just offer services to people. If we had done that prior to World War 2, we would never have been able to mobilize an army in time to fight the war. Reagonomics has been the model to the U.S. economy for too long. Trickle Down Economics doesn't work. It never has in the history of the world. There used to be moderate Republicans, but now the conservative extremists control the GOP and the Supreme Court and Congress and nothing good for the Country gets done.

  • April 23, 2012 8:41 PM CST

    "Glee" appeals to white trash gays, yes.

    by MisterManReturns

    But overall? No. "American Idol"? No. That other show? No. Don't generalize.

  • Young people are often too self-absorbed to actually take part in the democratic process and make a difference (I'm 34, by the way).

  • April 23, 2012 8:45 PM CST

    Ungh!

    by gotilk

    Going after Glee for being subversive? What a joke. That show is about as subversive as American Idol. It's candy-coated, mainstream, formulaic. I watch it. But all of the above is still true. They just do a bang-up job of it all while much of TV goes through the motions. Yeah, it gets on my nerves, but I still catch it now and then. These non-controversies are bugging me.

  • April 23, 2012 8:46 PM CST

    Herc isn't very good...

    by nemov

    when it comes to political commentary. I've read his TV columns for years because they're fantastic. The Buffet Rule is stupid. It would take 500 years to collect enough taxes from the Buffet Rule to pay off the 2011 deficit. In other words it's a political stunt that doesn't accomplish anything. The abortion debate is right down the middle (49-45 in 2011, it was even in 2010).

  • April 23, 2012 8:48 PM CST

    davidbanner

    by nemov

  • April 23, 2012 8:48 PM CST

    I don't quite understand...

    by MaxHeadroom

    What this story has to do with movies, sci fi, and genera entertainment?

  • April 23, 2012 8:49 PM CST

    @davidbanner

    by nemov

    You probably should take a few more economics courses before you embarrass yourself further.

  • April 23, 2012 8:53 PM CST

    @DaveBanner

    by Judge Briggs

    Yah, you're right... Trickle economics, supply-side ... does NOT work...

  • April 23, 2012 9:05 PM CST

    Slow news day, Herc?

    by Cash907

    You spent a lot of time tapping out a story that's pretty much a non-story to anyone in AICN's target demo. If you are against Fox News, you're probably all "right on! Stick it to the Murdock!" If not, you're like "eh, 'nother liberal hack piece. Moving on to stories with boobs or implied boobs..." Were minds changed? Nope. Will anyone give a shit or remember this piece in five minutes? Not if they have lives.

  • April 23, 2012 9:12 PM CST

    good lord herc....

    by jay2517

    *I think when I write "virtually no one watches the cable news networks" ..." by hercules ... it's clearly implied that not a lot of people watch Rachel Maddow or Piers Morgan's shows either.*--- really? i guess by ALL of the articles u posted about them, i should have realized. *rolls eyes* ur a progressive hypocrite buddy. just admit it and u would gain at least some respect when it comes to ur horribly biased *political* articles. *Maddow's much newer show continues to grow in viewership.*--- well, that idiots going to need all the *new* viewers to help pay of her new soon to be $50 million dollar debt. http://youcanruninternational.com/news/complaint-against-msnbc-nbc-rachel-maddow-and-the-mn-independent.html *And just because I think O'Reilly's a halfwit doesn't mean I'm not a *real* Republican.* and Maddow's NOT? or Shultz? or the racist Sharption? or O'Donnel? Matthews? and i ask WHY no articles of their *halfwitness*?? hypocrite. BTW- the Buffet Rule? are u high??

  • April 23, 2012 9:16 PM CST

    And thus a new term is born:

    by Orbots Commander

    I'm a Hercules Republican!

  • April 23, 2012 9:17 PM CST

    martinlandaucalrissian

    by Hercules

    Perhaps "Glee" could be considered "genera entertainment"? At least in the minds of the millions who watch it? And you should NEVER assume what appeals to AICN's audience. A third of our readers are women, a big chunk of our audience is gay, another big chunk is Australian, and the overwhelming majority of AICN readers follow politics.

  • April 23, 2012 9:18 PM CST

    Herc mad!!!

    by torontoxic

    This is another poke at a certain demographic promoting one perspective with implied intentions. I don't get it. You don't seem to get much pleasure out of your commitment to politics, Herc. Where does all the hate come from? Why persist with it if it makes you so mad? What are you hiding...

    *gets out plush Superman doll*

    Herc, I want you to point at Superman. Tell me where the Republican touched you.

  • I am prepared to wait. So perhaps are the 53 percent of registered Republicans and 72 percent of Americans overall who favor it. If you want to tax billionaires even more than that Senate bill would (so maybe it would only take 200 years), I'd be down with that too.

  • Funny, only the negative was reported. Hate much?

  • April 23, 2012 9:30 PM CST

    herc...what's one legit conservative idea you do support?

    by Raskolnikov_was_framed

    I consider myself very conservative...but I'm also an atheist...I'm pro choice pro gay marriage...but I'm also pro people being against those things...I also no joke think Obama is ruining the idea of america by attempting to nationalize everything (auto industry healthcare etc) you claim to be a republican but all I read from you is attacking Palin (old now buddy let it go) and political commentators so fill me in on what makes you a republican

  • April 23, 2012 9:31 PM CST

    Any of you homos touch my stuff, i'll kill you.

    by MasterShake

    Lighten up O'Reilly.

  • April 23, 2012 9:33 PM CST

    nemov - it's called econ 101 - look into if you can

    by DavidBanner

    read.

  • April 23, 2012 9:35 PM CST

    i sometimes don't get bill o'reilly

    by JaredP

    one minute he's standing up for transgendered beauty contestants, and the next minute he's making confounding comments like this. WTF? i only know one person who watches fixed noise: my uncle. he watches so much fox you'd think that was the only channel he had. and in confirmation to what herc said about the age of their viewers, he's 61, so...

  • April 23, 2012 9:40 PM CST

    Herc...where are you getting your numbers from?

    by Franky_Four_Fingers

    Gallup poll shows 54% of republicans against the Buffet rule and 60% overall in favor. http://articles.latimes.com/2012/apr/13/news/la-pn-gallup-poll-buffett-rule-20120413

  • April 23, 2012 9:40 PM CST

    raskolnikov_was_framed

    by Hercules

    From my perspective, all my views are conservative, but that's me. Out of curiosity, how do you think the bailouts ruined GM? Didn't it just post record profits?

  • April 23, 2012 9:47 PM CST

    re "Herc...where are you getting your numbers from?"

    by Hercules

    http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com/2012/04/16/cnn-poll-7-out-of-10-support-buffett-rule/ I guess a lot of people changed their minds between polls?

  • April 23, 2012 9:57 PM CST

    Because it can't be said enough: Fuck FOX News !!

    by ATARI

  • April 23, 2012 10:09 PM CST

    Fox Viewers aren't conservatives...

    by Queefer Sutherland

    ...they're idiots. They strut around in arrogant ignorance, too stupid to know that Fox News isn't news at all, but is actually another form of professional wrestling. Fox knows they aren't for real, but they know they can get rich pandering to the reactionary idiots in this country. It's hilarious. These corporate tools are picking the pockets of their supporters, and their supporters keep cheering them on as if they know the truth! What a pathetic bunch of intellectual midgets. It's no surprise that many of them are Evangelical Christians. It's a perfect marriage of stupid cults. "Arguing" with them is pointless, because they can only harp on hot-button issues with broad simplifications or outright inaccuracies and aren't capable of understanding the complexity of anything. And before you idiots attack me by decrying me as some kind of liberal, let me add that MSNBC viewers aren't much different. They're a bit smarter overall, but just as much sheep as the rest of you. Popular media won't tell you the truth, folks. You have to dig deeper. But most of you don't want to work that hard, and just want to let others think for you. How proud you must be, bleating your ignorance to the world, the finger puppets of "leaders" who disdain you, and think you're a joke. Thank you for helping to bring our country to ruin.

  • April 23, 2012 10:10 PM CST

    Listen Herc

    by rjc305

    As a long-time viewer and first-time poster (been reading this website for over a decade now) I just need to say something... Stop being a liberal cheerleader! Might as well put on a skirt and grab some pom-poms and start chanting "OBAMA! OBAMA! OBAMA!" C'mon dude. I come on this website to get my movie fix and here people's opinions on them. If i want political news I most definitely go somewhere else. Get back to what you do best and stop posting this kinda crap already.

  • April 23, 2012 10:18 PM CST

    Yay, yeah, yah - get it right

    by MisterManReturns

    Yay!!!! Means "hooray" Yeah - slang for "yes" Yah - what Swedish people say (I think)

  • April 23, 2012 10:18 PM CST

    So, what exactly is O'Failley trying to advocate here?

    by Mr. Nice Gaius

    Is it censorship or the need for someone (aside from parents/families) to monitor children's Fox Network viewing habits? Oh, dear. Whatever is a conservative, like Bill-O, supposed to do?

  • April 23, 2012 10:21 PM CST

    How is American Horror Story...

    by Isaac R.

    a "gay magnet" ? Wtf man...lol

  • April 23, 2012 10:22 PM CST

    Oh...because of Spock, right?

    by Isaac R.

    That's still pretty thin tho...

  • April 23, 2012 10:24 PM CST

    Guess that makes New Trek a gay thing too then, huh?

    by Isaac R.

    Opening a can 'o worms there buddy.

  • April 23, 2012 10:28 PM CST

    Herc... Come on

    by Jeff

    I see you do this a lot. In every way I promote open discussion of social issues considering I feel that's what's missing from politics. Actual open debate. But on ain't it cool? All it does is wake up the crazies. This stuff segways nicely into asshats spewing "bin laden not really dead" and "obamers a Muslim" diatribes. You can't change anyone's mind on the Internet. They'll just search until they find something they agree with. Sad but true.

  • ...are stone-cold idiots. You will never solve the problem of the national debt without including measures to raise more revenue. It's that simple. The Buffett Rule is just one such method for the collection of further revenues. It's not some stand-alone it-will-take-500-years-bullshit meme that these reality avoiding conservatives try to peddle.

  • April 23, 2012 10:31 PM CST

    It's spelled "segue" cuntfuck.

    by Queefer Sutherland

    Not segway. You're not talking about a vehicle. Look it up.

  • April 23, 2012 10:31 PM CST

    Time to let the old fart go

    by Lummox JR

    O'Reilly is a joke on both sides of the political spectrum. Fox News does a disservice to themselves and their viewers by tolerating his loudmouth antics. Then again, the same station hired Geraldo.

  • April 23, 2012 10:31 PM CST

    .....

    by jay2517

  • this past fridays numbers... BOR- 526 in the 25-54 demo 2.6** million overall Maddow- 241 in the 25-54 demo only 820k** overall looks like Maddow has A LOT of *gaining* ahead of her or BOR has A LOT of viewers dying young for her to catch up. BTW- Maddows 35-64 demo was 330** which is OVER her 25-54 demo. so, by ur lovely idiot logic, a HUGE hunk of her audience is about to *die off* too ala ur BOR assertion. like i said, get ur head out of ur ass and report correctly about politics if ur going to post mmk? **rounding up

  • April 23, 2012 10:34 PM CST

    herc, how much do u hate black people?

    by yourSTEPDADDY

    im sorry, if youre a conservative, i think you are racist deep down inside. nothing wrong with that, i personally hate sumerians. now, if youre a rich conservative, then i just think youre selfish and wanna keep all the monies to you and your kind now, if youre a wealthy conservative, you are racist this is how my logic works. ps: if youre a liberal, you need to find a party that has balls

  • April 23, 2012 10:34 PM CST

    Cuntfuck. Nice.

    by Jeff

    What else is one supposed to fuck? Anyway, I appologize if my autocorrect ruined your day. However, you proved my point nicely. Congrats on your crazy.

  • Newsflash. You're ill-informed. Apparently far, far more voters DON'T watch cable news: 2.6 million O'Reilly Factor viewers 1.1 million Maddow Show viewers 0.7 million Piers Morgan viewers 122.3 million voted in the 2008 election Also, this tiny cable news viewership clearly does NOT decide elections, since pro-McCain O'Reilly had a much bigger TV audience than pro-Obama Maddow.

  • April 23, 2012 10:37 PM CST

    not-me

    by Queefer Sutherland

    ;-)

  • April 23, 2012 10:39 PM CST

    You're comparing a cable news commentary show's ratings...

    by FeralAngel

    ...to a NETWORK show? WTF? Come on, Herc, network shows, especially POPULAR network shows, still beat the crap out of most cable shows ratings-wise, whether THEY'RE popular or not. What's significant is that Fox still rules the roost when it comes to cable news, and I bet that's the only competition O'Reilly gives a shit about. Plus you're using the 18-49 demo numbers, as if THAT'S the only measurement that matters. As if what anyone over 49 likes is automatically crap or insignificant. What'sa matter, Herc, you don't trust anyone over 30? Why are you so hot over this anyway? Are you part of a cross-dressing advocacy group or something? I don't know about you, but frankly if I had kids, I'd rather they didn't see cross-dressers or any other kind of sexual deviant on TV. That doesn't mean TV should be censored, of course, that just means that I, as a parent, would be responsible for turning the damn TV off. Frankly, though, I feel sorry for parents today. Very damn hard trying to protect a child's innocence. A lot of people seem to think that innocence has no value. Certainly many in the entertainment business don't give much of a fuck about it. I watch O'Reilly and I watch Jon Stewart. Both are news commentators and entertainers. I'm glad they're both out there offering different points of view. Neither does anybody any particular harm and to me, they're glorious examples of the enduring value of free speech. I think it's a tad bit more important to support free speech rather than bash a news commentator because he disapproved of a cross-dressing character on a highly popular TV show. Jesus Christ, Herc, get a grip.

  • April 23, 2012 10:45 PM CST

    re "You're comparing a cable news commentary show's ratings"

    by Hercules

    I believe I'm comparing it to a lot of things, including basic cable repeats.

  • April 23, 2012 10:48 PM CST

    also... am i the only one who would fuck the shit outta rachel maddow?

    by yourSTEPDADDY

    not sure if she would try to fuck me back with a strapon, but that dude is pretty

  • again, ITS NOT YOUR MONEY! its theirs. they (and we) are already taxed on it. the government spends MORE than it takes IN. thats not the billionaires (or our) fault. why cant u people see this? u cant go up to ur boss and tell him *i spent $3000 dollars extra this week, give me a $3000 raise to compensate for it*. NO OTHER organization allows this EXCEPT the government. why must we abide to an example that the government cannot abide too? its insane. yet, all u idiot progressive say is *tax the rich*. news flash- they already are! why must u hypocrites punish successful people? why wont the hypocrite Buffet just simply volunteer to PAY MORE? open up ur check book Warren. no one stopping u. same goes to u Herc, ur 401 has *doubled* since Obama has taken over, why dont YOU cash it in and pay more in taxes to help out hmm??? or juts pay more at the end of the year? u can, yet u DONT. hypocrite...

  • April 23, 2012 10:53 PM CST

    Sexual deviants

    by Jeff

    Benny hill, Tom hanks, robin Williams, Charles Barkley, the entire cast of kids in the hall, Rudy g, Wesley snipes, John leguizamo, fuck... Anybody wanna help me out?

  • April 23, 2012 11:02 PM CST

    thanks for the clarification herc. carry on.

    by dahveed1972

  • April 23, 2012 11:09 PM CST

    jay... dont respond to this

    by yourSTEPDADDY

    but why are you siding with billionaires? because you sound really dumb. you sound like a fat chick who cries over the fact that the popular cheerleader, who is not your friend BTW, got turned down by a guy. why do you care? ps: dont respond, youre an idiot regardless of how you respond. unless you are a billionaire, then it would make sense why you would care. but youre not. so therefore youre an idiot

  • Got anything more recent to cite?

  • April 23, 2012 11:15 PM CST

    Apparently Herc doesn't understand how ratings work.

    by Iudex

    That .03 is a percentage of total avalable audience at prime time across all of cable. His actual viewership numbers are around 2.5 million at 8pm. Rating is only useful in when comparing shows head to head on the same night on the same time slot... Most of the shows that you point to having better ratings aren't on in prime time so have a larger share of a small audience. It is true that he isn't doing a well as he use to. in fact he's fallen quite a bit in the last 5 years... But it's not apples to apples to compare the ratings of Colbert, it's meaningless except to make a political point.

  • April 23, 2012 11:15 PM CST

    Who is this jay2517 idiot and why would anybody address him directly?

    by Queefer Sutherland

    His illiteracy is a blazing beacon, lighting the way to the core of his ignorance. To engage him in debate would be like trying to explain a computer to a cat. Getting him to see the complexity of an issue would be like teaching a snake to jump-rope. I personally shall not engage in "debate" with such pure ignorance.

  • April 23, 2012 11:17 PM CST

    RINO Here

    by PrinceNamor

    Thats right I am a RINO. I am a registered Republican. I voted for Bush Sr., Bob Dole, Bush Jr., John Kerry, and Obama. I have also voted for Christie most recently in my State. I am not considered a Republican by my party. Well fuck them. Also, Fuck Fox News. I will decide who and what I am not the Tea Party and definitely not Fox News. BTW I am voting for Obama again.

  • You don't browse conservative web sites much, do ya?

  • You're thinking of "share," which uses a different metric than the adults 18-49 numbers posted here. If you look carefully you'll see I assign "O'Reilly" a .3 rating, not a .03. A rating point currently equals 1.159 million viewers, regardless of timeslot.

  • April 23, 2012 11:22 PM CST

    'ol steppy, i see ur ignorace does encompass everything...

    by jay2517

    its called principle and its obviously something u lack. its not YOUR money and to say that YOU can dictate HOW its used is truly the idiotic thing. u read my post and understood it. quit being obtuse :) BTW- be the shinning example and give me some of YOUR money ok? hurry up!

  • April 23, 2012 11:23 PM CST

    Fuck you Jay2517

    by Doktor_Avalanche

    Your dumb. Thats it.

  • April 23, 2012 11:24 PM CST

    queefer- what? u dont like facts either?

    by jay2517

    its is a pesky nuisance to progressives :)

  • April 23, 2012 11:25 PM CST

    In addition to taxing the rich...

    by prince_fufu

    We should also tax all the people who do not currently pay federal income tax. Not a lot, but everyone needs to have some skin in the game. Reduce all government programs across the board by, say, 10-20%, including military, medicare/caid, education, all of it. Renegotiate with who owns our debt to reduce the interest rate. Just my 2 cents.

  • April 23, 2012 11:26 PM CST

    and fuck u too doktor...

    by jay2517

    now, care to try and point out how im wrong?

  • I am the RINO! That's right you heard me correctly!

    Herc is the staff troll of AICN. Two year old articles and skewed ratings analysis to pad an editorial designed to help brainwash weak minded people with nonsense.

    I don't watch O'Reilly and I don't watch Fox News but that's because in Canada where leftism governs our media even more than in the states Fox News is a pay channel while CNN and MSNBC are free. I'm sure that would be the preferable scenario in the US for some. Makes people who think differently pay extra. That'll learn'em.

    I would estimate at least 8/10 people who claim to be Republicans on AICN are lying. The fact that the dishonesty is consistent to one side should be a clear enough sign to those on the fence. Most out spoken leftists are mostly in it for the attention and don't really consider the issues unless it's to prove someone wrong (even if it requires being selective with their facts).

  • April 23, 2012 11:30 PM CST

    Seriously?

    by Doktor_Avalanche

    Id elaborate but i fear your a bit dim. Go praise your billionaires, eat your big macs, and drink your coke.

  • April 23, 2012 11:32 PM CST

    princenamor

    by Queefer Sutherland

    You're one of the smart ones here. I really hope you don't say something stupid now and ruin it. There is SO much stupid going on here it's like a hailstorm of ignorance.

  • April 23, 2012 11:36 PM CST

    I recommend you all read Idiot America

    by Queefer Sutherland

    Veteran journalist Charles Pierce delivers a gut-wrenching lament about the glorification of ignorance in the United States. Pierce asks how a country founded on intellectual curiosity has somehow deteriorated into a nation of simpletons more apt to vote for an American Idol contestant than a presidential candidate. But his thunderous denunciation is also a secret call to action, as he hopes that somehow, being intelligent will stop being a stigma, and that pinheads will once again be pitied, not celebrated. Erudite and razor-sharp, Idiot America is at once an invigorating history lesson, a cutting cultural critique, and a bullish appeal to our smarter selves. Of course, many of you probably can't read on the level it's written...

  • April 23, 2012 11:37 PM CST

    SuperMarch

    by PrinceNamor

    Really a fat white guy? Thats your comment to me. Please allow me to retort. I am 6' 2" 220 lbs. I have my own business and I don't live in my moms basement. I also happen to have the ability to hold two thoughts in my head at once and I wont be bullied by morons. I can however be convinced by intelligent discussion. That makes me an outcast in the Republican party.

  • April 23, 2012 11:48 PM CST

    Just curious

    by dukeroberts

    But why do you support the Buffett Rule? Higher rates on capital gains and investments actually punishes both and decreases revenues from those sources. Decreasing rates increases investment activity and also revenues. Revenues increased when Calvin Coolidge, JFK, Reagan and W cut tax rates. The only problem with supply side economics is that the proposed cuts in spending never occur. Supply side economics is supposed to be two-pronged, but ends up being one-pronged. Spending always increases because the federal government always adjusts spending up in anticipation of economic growth and more revenues, regardless of whether either occurs. Now, if you support the Buffett Rule because you think it's not fair that people who have investment income pay taxes on that income at a lower rate, go ahead and say that. Millionaires already pay higher rates on actual income. They always have, always will. Loopholes do affect the actual revenues acquired from those with smart accountants who work those loopholes though. The solution? Lower marginal tax rates for all, across the board, and eliminate tax loopholes. That way, everyone pays their "fair share". Cutting tax rates includes also: cutting capital gains and investment taxes, preferably to 0%. Those are forms of double taxation. The money was earned before it was invested. It's already been taxed. Also, inheritance taxes should be abolished. Taxing someone just because their parent or spouse died? Ridiculous and offensive. Also, corporate tax rates should be drastically reduced, if not abolished as well. Who pays for corporate taxes? The consumer. When corporate tax rates go up, companies and corporations increase their prices, which increases the cost of living. Another possible effect of increased corporate tax rates is layoffs. If a company's costs increase and their profits and profit margins begin to fall, they're going to ax people. Finally, cut spending. Cut spending. I can't say it enough. Cut spending. With decreased tax rates and decreased spending, the eventual increased revenues will begin eating away at budget deficits and eventually start chipping away at the National Debt, which was last at $0.00 when Andrew Jackson was President.

  • April 23, 2012 11:51 PM CST

    princenamor

    by torontoxic

    http://i.imgur.com/TVQ0K.jpg

  • April 24, 2012 12:05 AM CST

    Hey jay2517 you rat brain infested twat listen up....

    by fat_rancor_keeper

    Here's a news flash for you cunt-wad. The billionaires your are sticking up for wouldn't piss on your grandmother's grave to water the flowers you scraped up 2 dollars to buy. It's THEIR money huh retard????? Really? So the people with lobbyists in their pocket, Super Pacs at their disposal, politicians at their beck and call (to sidestep democracy & fuck with the legislative policy in their favor) and an army of lawyers an accountants to insure they get every last fucking loop-hole humanly possible and every last cayman island offshore treat ALL earned their precious money & wealth from penny one huh? You call that fucking honest wealth? That money is blood money you insensitive prick. Do you have any clue how many companies these millionaires bankrupt or how many people were laid off or fired so these cocksuckers could rake in million dollar bonuses or corporate welfare & bailouts? jay again- are you fucking retarded or insane? Oh boo hoo - someone asked them to pay more taxes.....Perhaps that notion makes Grover Norquist cunt itchy but it's only a start toward healing the economy these greedy fuckers have raped for the last few decades. God forbid they contribute anything to society though huh? These cocksuckers have willingly rigged the system so ridiculously in their favor for generations that now more than half the country is either in poverty or a part of the sinking middle-class. And then to top it off - dim-witted, captain save a rich guy, douche-bags like you are all over the internet crying tears and defending for zillionaires to keep their filthy fucking money. Just because you rig the game in your favor, fuck over the next guy at every turn and steal every last cent you can get your grubby fucking hands on - doesn't make it ALL yours. Wake up and stop defending people who look down upon you as a useless piece of peasant shit.

  • April 24, 2012 12:13 AM CST

    fox news and o'reilly can't get slammed enough

    by fat_rancor_keeper

    fuck them.........fuck Hannity, fuck O'reilly, fuck Gerardo, fuck Murdock and fuck the creatures that shat these scumbags onto the world.

  • April 24, 2012 12:20 AM CST

    Faux News can kiss my ass!

    by Shub-Wankalot

    And that's being generous.

  • April 24, 2012 12:22 AM CST

    Shut Up and Vote

    by Lao_Che_Air_Freight

    Especially the second one.

  • April 24, 2012 12:30 AM CST

    Shut Up and Join Project Mayhem

    by yourSTEPDADDY

    I will never vote but I will definitely blow out building windows in the shape of a smiley face

  • April 24, 2012 12:39 AM CST

    What really cracks me up...

    by JackDeth

    ...are the people who proclaim that somebody can't possibly be registered to vote as a Republican if their opinions do not exactly line up with the talking points repeated ad nauseum on Fox News. These people deserve nothing less than constant ridicule.

  • April 24, 2012 12:39 AM CST

    thats what i thought doktor...

    by jay2517

    cant back it up eh? typical.

  • This isn't Monday, but at least its worth while, Fox is going to make a Fringe announcement this week. FRINGE Fans, Brace Yourselves Part II: Show’s Future Decided This Week by Roco on April 23, 2012 The latest Fringe Season 5 renewal news is in.. Showrunner J.H. Wyman has posted another update on the future of the FOX sci-fi serial: We feel SO positive about a pick up because our fans make people listen. They make people take notice. Have loud voices and are heard. xo While the coveted fifth season is not yet official, Wyman put the timer on the Fringebomb: We will get news this week. We feel really positive. Confidence on a scale of 1-10?: um… 9.99. Good? Jeff and I have faith in Kevin Reilly and all our friends and supporters at Fox. Making this week the new two weeks ago. If all goes well, a 13-episode final season is the expected outcome, and you’d have to think that at least some of those episodes would be spent in 2036. http://seriable.com/fringe-season-5-renewed-update/

  • April 24, 2012 12:46 AM CST

    Wait so Milton Berle cross dressed on TV in the 50s?

    by Darth_Inedible

    How does that square with the standard lefty view of the '50s as the age of stifling moral bigotry? Hey Herc I heard Fox News just said something that makes Democrats mad. You better go post an article about it.

  • April 24, 2012 12:52 AM CST

    Walt Whitman said it best

    by Dreamfasting

    "Do I contradict myself? Very well, then I contradict myself, I am large, I contain multitudes." - Walt Whitman A massive conglomerate is not a person, it should not be expected to speak with a single consistant voice. Besides, there's so much money to be made in slamming Fox that they *have* to compete for that market.

  • IE; he's basically just a giant troll, which is hilarious considering how seriously he tries to present himself. Anyway for this type of troll pointing out how they don't actually hold any conservative beliefs is their kryptonite, so let's do that as much as possible.

  • *The billionaires your are sticking up for wouldn't piss on your grandmother's grave to water the flowers you scraped up 2 dollars to buy.*--- i never asked them too. why would i want them to anyway? *So the people with lobbyists in their pocket, Super Pacs at their disposal, politicians at their beck and call (to sidestep democracy & fuck with the legislative policy in their favor) and an army of lawyers an accountants to insure they get every last fucking loop-hole humanly possible and every last cayman island offshore treat ALL earned their precious money & wealth from penny one huh?* --- sounds like ur mad at the loopholes. dont take it out on the people who are smarter than u. u need to take all ur idiot energy and fight for tax reform. its not our fault their smart. *You call that fucking honest wealth?*--- yep. *That money is blood money you insensitive prick. Do you have any clue how many companies these millionaires bankrupt or how many people were laid off or fired so these cocksuckers could rake in million dollar bonuses or corporate welfare & bailouts?*--- *blood money* really? nice talking point. sounds like ur anger is misplaced again. u should be mad at the government that allows such things to happen. they make the laws. be pissed at them. *God forbid they contribute anything to society though huh?*--- they already do. they pay taxes. are YOU retarded or insane is the question now. *These cocksuckers have willingly rigged the system so ridiculously in their favor for generations that now more than half the country is either in poverty or a part of the sinking middle-class.* dont vote Democrat then. *And then to top it off - dim-witted, captain save a rich guy, douche-bags like you are all over the internet crying tears and defending for zillionaires to keep their filthy fucking money.*--- i always will. it IS their money after all and whether its *filthy* is a matter of opinion. *Just because you rig the game in your favor, fuck over the next guy at every turn and steal every last cent you can get your grubby fucking hands on - doesn't make it ALL yours*--- i suggest u book a flight to Greece then. i hear its lovely. *Wake up and stop defending people who look down upon you as a useless piece of peasant shit.* sounds like u have self esteem issues. im not surprised. come back when u can keep up with the confo ok? freaking progressives...

  • April 24, 2012 12:58 AM CST

    pa- who knows why? its Herc

    by jay2517

  • April 24, 2012 1:10 AM CST

    Fuckin' thing sucks!

    by MooseMalloy

  • April 24, 2012 1:10 AM CST

    O'Reilly's ancient audience is literally dying off*

    by Lucky13

  • April 24, 2012 1:11 AM CST

    *O'Reilly's ancient audience is literally dying off*

    by Lucky13

    Classless.

  • What's wrong, Herc? There are kids in high school with barely read blogs who get more screeners than you do these days, so I can understand your anger. And I also noticed that you didn't post any poll numbers this week, what with Obama and Romney being in a statistical dead heat. This really has been a terrible week for you, hasn't it? :)

  • April 24, 2012 1:42 AM CST

    Weimar America

    by Iahael

    T.'.

  • April 24, 2012 2:21 AM CST

    Ignorant people watch Fox News.

    by F-18

    They only want to hear what they already believe parroted back to them and don't care about facts that contradict what they believe.

  • April 24, 2012 2:25 AM CST

    Why are we wasting time on this?

    by Monroville

    (1) Herc is trolling for talkback gold. This is neither cool nor news that has any pertinence to a website related to movies and fictional television shows (though the liberal hippies on this site would think that Fox News qualify). (2) Anyone who supports the Buffet Rule is only doing so out of emotion and is definitely not rational nor conservative. Buffet himself owes a few million plus in back tax dollars, and is pulling out his lawyers to keep from paying it... so why in the hell would he talk about paying a higher tax rate if he won't pay the taxes he already owes? The problem is this: the primary rule of criminal law is INNOCENT UNTIL PROVEN GUILTY. If a wealthy person is guilty of actually committing a crime involving the theft of others money, then you have a case to take their money and/or put them in jail. Otherwise, fuck off, it's not your money and not your problem. Like it or not, people have the right to be selfish and keep to themselves, rich or poor. To punish someone simply because they have what you want is what tyranny is all about and how it has always been justified. (3) of COURSE trickle down economics works, dipshits. It's called: rich person buys expensive big screen TV. After a while, manufacturers start making MORE big screen TVs due to said rich people buying the first expensive products. Due to more products being made, said products are reduced in price, which opens said product to the next lower level of income, who then purchase more big screen TVs, which leads to more manufacturing, etc. We've seen this happen throughout the past 20 years alone just with cellphone and computer technology. What do you think provoked it's speedy development if not monetary involvement from people who have money to spend? Jesus. (4) if you are pro-abortion, then you are not conservative. Period. Forget about God and religion... this is a simple matter of science proving whether and/or when a fetus has brainwaves, a hearbeat and nerve endings that can feel pain, all of which can be determined through forensic technology. The question is: why hasn't this been done already? (5) most of the audience on this site are of the liberal persuasion, so why in the fuck is this article even here? No one is going to care whether Bill O'Reilly is "at war" with the Fox Network, as no one here cares about Fox anyways. (6) and the comments about Reagan? You DO realize that Reagan always was a Kennedy democrat, and if you compare Reagan to Kennedy they were pretty identical in military, economic and social policies. Now if you think that Kennedy was a shitty president, then okay then. But you can't say one was great and the other was shitty when they essentially did the same schtick. (7) Finally, can we just put this thread out of it's misery already and get back to talking about why John Carter sucks? (8) oh yeah: Damn you, Michael Bay!

  • April 24, 2012 2:53 AM CST

    I can't believe I'm speaking up for Fox here...

    by V'Shael

    But come on Herc, do you really prefer if your giant monolithic mega corporations are all speaking with one unified voice, in complete and total lockstep? If one tiny part of Fox, wants to criticise another part of Fox, then isn't that a sign of some sort that different opinions can find expression in the same monolithic entity? Isn't that a good thing?

  • April 24, 2012 4:05 AM CST

    No

    by ajgann

    bullcrap!!!!

  • everyone has a "right", if any of us have any rights, to be as awesome, close-minded or anything in between as we want to be. that person who doesn`t outright hate LGBT people but wants to have an active role in what their child watches? i would never try and stop them. if they were a friend i would tell them that even if they disagreed with certain ways of being/"lifestyle choices" the best thing to do for an adult or developing child would be to expose different ways of being as what they are. if there is a right and wrong, an Abrahamic God or any rhyme/reason to separating entire belief systems into two rigid structures that probably exist only to funnel money into certain bank accounts, how could any of that be legitimately threatened by exposing one to a different point of view? would that truly give the devil wings, make evil any more appealing than it`s already marketed or remove the financial or policy concerns from political parties? my point is, haters gonna hate, and lovers don`t need to stop them. talkbackers, Conglomocorps, and Bill O whoever`s research team can say and believe whatever they want, as they should. America is a nation built on tittybabies that whine till a pacifier just their type is shoved into their mouths. But continuously people spit out chewing toys laced with arsenic. Transgendered people like myself have survived to the point of identification, celebration and unfortunately, confrontation. That means the kid you`re trying to shield from this deviancy might know that deviancy as a trusted internal ally but get confused and kill themselves instead. That means your child might be the best cis friend of a different kid that just wants to feel "normal" but would hold back for fear of upsetting a status quo designed by researches and demographics. It means I will write an overlong comment in defense of a show that routinely disparages women, LBGTs, the less than able and the poor because for once they didn`t fuck something up, and THAT`S how pertinent an issue this is to the people experiencing it every day. I live by the golden rule, which to me means don`t fuck with other people`s right to exist. This post breaks that, organized and hateful religion breaks that, Democrats and Republicans break that. Don`t try and be my friend by telling me how different I am (that goes for 18-30 demographic reports, Glee and sympathizing "liberals.") Be my friend by not getting in my way and doing what you are going to do, which last time I checked was reporting about TV and movie news. And you don`t have to include some invisotext fuckable meter with every post, female actors MIGHT have more value than that.

  • April 24, 2012 4:33 AM CST

    Bill O'reilly is the big fish in a very small pond.

    by hst666

    I liked Maddow's very concise comments when Stern interviewed here. basically if Bill (or Fox) wants to crow about being the highest rated news shows on TV, fine, but the most watched news show is still crushed by Jersey Shore repeats.

  • April 24, 2012 4:35 AM CST

    Pinheads

    by barnaby jones

    That made me laugh. What a numpty

  • April 24, 2012 5:24 AM CST

    V'shael nails it

    by richievanderlow

    We don't need unified opinions. We need organizations that don't dictate the discussion amongst it's employees. That's just fine with me.

  • ...He seems like a thoughtful, pragmatic dude who'll call out bullshit where he sees it, no matter what side of the political aisle it comes from.

  • April 24, 2012 5:48 AM CST

    Money is money no matter where you earn it from...

    by mdk

    ... If my salary is taxed at 30+ percent, then it's not right for some billionaire who moves his money around, hiding it in "investments" to only be taxed at 15 percent. Tax him at the same tucking rate I'm gouged at. Wtf, he'll still be a goddamn billionaire.

  • April 24, 2012 6:34 AM CST

    People who watch FOX News are racists and bigots

    by Prior Walter

    Who else would voluntarily use a news source that is so racist and bigoted?

  • April 24, 2012 6:48 AM CST

    FOX News never altered an audiotape....like NBC News did

    by BoyNamedSue

    You people who complain about FOX News are pathetic. You've obviously never seen it. It's the only place I can go to hear my point of view expressed in a respectful manner......the rest of the media is in the tank for Democrats, and you know it......FOX News wouldn't exist if the rest of the media were truly objective.

  • April 24, 2012 7:19 AM CST

    Fox News is hardly a paragon of virtue.

    by V'Shael

    Look, most news sources in America are shite. Fox has been shown, repeatedly in peer reviewed studies, to misinform its viewers about the real world. When Fox news reporters got the story about Monsanto's milk causing cancer, it was the chiefs at Fox News who killed the story and fired the reporters. Don't for a second think that just because NBC altered the Zimmerman tape, that this somehow excuses all the crap Fox News has done over the years. It doesn't. It just means that all news sources should be treated with a healthy amount of scepticism. That includes the ones who echo your point of view back at you.

  • Often to imply the speaker is saying the opposite of what they were actually saying. Just go to Factcheck.org or any other unbiased media analyst.

  • April 24, 2012 7:35 AM CST

    jay2517

    by fat_rancor_keeper

    When you carelessly followup valid points with a stream of trollish non-answers and one word responses written to continue fighting on the internet it signifies you are just here talking shit because you are bored, young and have nothing better to do. - You call that fucking honest wealth?*--- yep. <-- Brilliant and well thought out reasoning. I liked the part where you didn't actually refute anything. *Just because you rig the game in your favor, fuck over the next guy at every turn and steal every last cent you can get your grubby fucking hands on - doesn't make it ALL yours*--- i suggest u book a flight to Greece then. i hear its lovely.<----Moronic and pointless. Nice combo. Good, I'm glad I know you are just a troll so I can ignore your ignorant fuckery in the future. If you aren't trolling you are simply a complete idiot incapable of a debate or (heaven forbid) critical thinking. In either case I'm done here.

  • How is having a liberal spokesman and a conservative spokesman sitting side-by-side discussing both sides of an issue biased journalism?

  • How many stories did you see skeptical of ObamaCare (other than FOX News)? Did ANY mainstream media reporters ask if this was a wise idea, or if the country could afford it?....NO. Instead, all you saw were stories about destitute people who needed free health care.....It's the media's job to be skeptical of government, not to be skeptical of taxpayers who complain that they are being gouged....By the way, I am a newspaper reporter with 10 years experience, and I can testify that I've consistently been the ONLY conservative in all the newsrooms I've worked in. The hostility among reporters to Republicans is unbelievable.....so much for objectivity, eh? When Gabby Giffords was shot, the mainstream media pounced on the idea that it was a Tea Party person that shot her....they were foaming at the mouths with glee over finally discrediting the Tea Party....and the shooter turned out to be a nut who loved communism. Look at the disrespectful way they cover the Tea Party.....vs. the reverential coverage they gave Occupy Wall Street. FOX may have a bias....but so do all the other networks.

  • No one with a criminal record can run let alone own a television station. If England rightfully finds the Murdochs guilty then its pretty much over for them. I am sure they will use every legal trick in the book, but its pretty cut and dry. If Obama is President then, it will be sold to someone else.

  • April 24, 2012 8:27 AM CST

    grendel69 - hah! That made me laugh. Cheers.

    by Aaron

  • April 24, 2012 8:34 AM CST

    What about separation of movie news and politics?

    by theFUZZ008

  • You're either idiots, or hypocrites.

  • April 24, 2012 8:40 AM CST

    Faux News is the pink slime of news

    by HoboCode

    Nice one, flip63hole. Best laugh I've had on this site in a while.

  • April 24, 2012 8:42 AM CST

    MSNBC and NBC = the bastion of integrity and high ratings!

    by Dursman2000

    If you believe the shit that now passes for "news" on this site, you would believe that to be true.

  • April 24, 2012 8:46 AM CST

    ron paul our only hope

    by rakesh patel

    i cant vote for him, cause i'm not in america. nor an american. but he's the only one that understands what a dire situation we're in. tide goes in tide goes out. you cant explain it! http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wb3AFMe2OQY

  • He's been very vocal about the extremists taking over the Republican Party and how candidates need to deny science and claim stupidity to get elected.

  • April 24, 2012 9:16 AM CST

    I hate discussing politics on this site, but boynamedsue...

    by Red Ned Lynch

    ...you are either a liar or an idiot. From the Pew Research Group (and we all know what their reputation is): Mitt Romney’s positive coverage outweighed the negative 47 percent to 25 percent during the most recent period from February 26-April 15, while the report notes that “[o]f all the presidential candidates studied in this report, only one figure did not have a single week in 2012 when positive coverage exceeded negative coverage—the incumbent, Democrat Barack Obama.” And as far as the coverage of Occupy Wall Street and The Tea Party? The Tea Party was covered heavily and promoted by Fox News with nearly twenty-four hour coverage, including on-screen prompts for where the Koch-paid-for buses could be caught and the events would be held...before they even held an event. Occupy Wall Street was ignored for weeks, even by the New York Times, the supposedly liberal newspaper of the city where the protests originated, and then was covered in only the most denigrating fashion. Boynamedsue...just because Rush tells you something doesn't make it true. And by the way, if you were a reporter with ten years of experience you would have known enough to make the fact you'd spent a decade in a newsroom your lead. Because, you know, you'd have known how to write. That's all right. There are only two ways to be an American conservative in this second decade of the twenty-first century: ignorance or self-deception. Your post adequately demonstrated both.

  • April 24, 2012 9:17 AM CST

    whilst in other news

    by rakesh patel

    http://gizmodo.com/5904552/biotech-company-blamed-for-bee-collapse-buys-leading-bee-research-firm monsanto worst motherfuckers ever.

  • As far as your key demos, to this day i still don't understand why you are so obsessed with the 18-49 year old demo. Are you saying that once someone turns 50, their opinions don't matter anymore? Really? No wonder you support Obamacare...

  • April 24, 2012 9:24 AM CST

    Herc is Liberal Democrat...

    by nemov

    The Buffet rule is pointless. If it's enacted it won't help the average American and it won't reduce the deficit. Only people who are not interested in serious talk about fiscal responsibility consider it a real policy. The argument in favor of the Buffet Rule is shallow. Fairness? The nation is $15 Trillion in debt. We could tax billionaires at 100% and it wouldn't put a dent in the debt. You know what you call someone who is Pro-Choice, pro-higher taxes, worried about the "separation of Church and State," and moans about FOX News, but says nothing about MSNBC? That person is called a liberal Democrat. I'm not sure if he's being intellectually dishonest or he's just so clueless he doesn't know. I'm not a fond of FOX either, but I don't like the sensationalism they've introduced to the news cycle. At this point all news operators have adopted the same style. MSNBC is far more biased than FOX. CNN is trying to remain moderate. Look at the election tables for each network: Sharpton, Matthews, Maddow and Shultz. And people complain about FOX?

  • April 24, 2012 9:25 AM CST

    This is ridiculous...

    by J

  • As far as voting or having money, 50+ are much more reliable. Hardly anybody watches The Colbert Report and the people that watch The Daily Show are admittedly stupid. Alot of them admit that Jon Stewart is their main source of news...

  • And yes income from Capital Gains is income and should be taxed as such. That's not even about fairness, it's just common sense. The lowering of the Capital Gains tax was one of the most egregious giveaways to the rich that went largely under the radar during the Bush years. And yes, I know that it was lowered first under Clinton.

  • jay's90210's ass must be sore from getting it kicked so much by normal people who clearly see him for the idiot he is -or clever performance artist of the dumbest conservative ever- Fox New- you decide!! Jay whatever you say, the only response you ever deserve for any of your koookie *facts* is; I KNOW YOU ARE ,BUT WHAT AM I! that is your level of intelligence - you should be able to understand that. DING-DOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOONNNNGGGGGGGG!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

  • April 24, 2012 9:50 AM CST

    Fuck Bill O'

    by crazybubba

  • April 24, 2012 9:50 AM CST

    Fuck Fox News

    by crazybubba

  • April 24, 2012 9:51 AM CST

    Get mad...u know u wanna....

    by Scottie Richardson

  • April 24, 2012 9:54 AM CST

    Red Ned Lynch

    by Mr. Nice Gaius

    Thank you.

  • The best they can hope for is that he picks Rubio for VP and then some right wing nutjob assassinates Mittens.

  • April 24, 2012 10:03 AM CST

    For a network that has supposeldy so few watchers FOX News sure does rile up people!

    by Emerald Snoggingbottom

    The problems with liberals are manyindeed but the bigges one of all is that they take offens e that somone dare have another opinion than theirs! All part of the PUSSification of america

  • April 24, 2012 10:03 AM CST

    Mr_X_

    by Mr. Nice Gaius

    Ron Paul is a Libertarian (though some refer to him as a paleo-conservative). At this point, he stands no chance of winning his current party's nomination. He lacks the delegates and has yet to win a state. If he decides to throw his support behind Mitt Romney, he will be exposed as a hypocrite that turned his back on his "principles". And lo', the Paul-bots will run a' screaming about how the only man who could "save" us turned out to be nothing more than a lock-step Republican that failed to honor his own message.

  • April 24, 2012 10:07 AM CST

    Wisest observation of the day- courtesy of red ned lynch

    by Michael Lunney

    There are only two ways to be an American conservative in this second decade of the twenty-first century: ignorance or self-deception. Making one up when you don't know the answer, instead of saying *I don't know*, is another hallmark - my libertarian friend does it all the time and he sputters when I ask for clarification. But I love the guy because politics do not rule his life - it's just a sport for me too - a way to make some conversation about stuff we have no control over.

  • April 24, 2012 10:07 AM CST

    Rudy Guliani is a RINO hardly a real conservative

    by Emerald Snoggingbottom

    Just like MItt but Ill take him over Lord Emperor Barry Obama anyday.

  • April 24, 2012 10:13 AM CST

    Love it

    by Philvis

    I love how people slam Fox News by saying they "lie". Please tell me some of those lies. People need to understand that there are news sections on Fox News and there are pundit sections where people give their opinions. It's just like CNN and MSNBC. The problem is that people who do not agree with any of the pundits on Fox News have the knee jerk reaction of then blabbering off that Fox News lies because they cannot understand the difference between a pundit their opinion and straight news. I love the liberals, especially on this site, because as they are the ones who proclaim to have the most tolerance, they are the ones spewing hateful diatriabes against anything they do not agree with. As someone who watches Glee, I do think they have jumped the shark when it comes to Gay and Lesbian issues. It really does seem that is the majority of the focus of the show anymore. It's almost become laughable the way it's thrown in your face to give the perception that is the norm in American high schools now. Personally, I could care a less if you are gay or straight and I am a conservative. However, I do think Glee is getting 'tired' now when it comes to the whole Gay and Lesbian spin they are throwing out at you constantly. And for the record, I thought the crossdresser guy did a great job in last week's episode, I just think Glee needs to go back to being a regular show it started out as instead of becoming an hour long GLAAD advocacy piece. Flame away...

  • One reason I stop by here is to take a break from that stuff. Now, it seems like every fourth or fifth post has some type of angle. And it certainly doesn't help that most of it is some kind of left wing twaddle. I'm guessing Harry et al generate some kind of revenue from here...and I hope it's a lot, but c'mon folks. This is almost getting as bas as Gizmodo.

  • April 24, 2012 10:16 AM CST

    @Philvis

    by nemov

    Liberals are tolerant as long as you say, think, and act the way they want.

  • April 24, 2012 10:18 AM CST

    Here's the problem with a Network like Fox News...

    by MediaGold

    If you make the behavior of these people ... if children hear it, unsupervised children, okay who don't have parents watching their -- they might go out and experiment with this stuff.

  • funny how that works for you...

  • April 24, 2012 10:24 AM CST

    flyswatta - koking = joking

    by Michael Lunney

  • For instance, most conservatives believe that taxes should be low for everyone. But, the facts are that taxes have never been so low since pre-Great Depression Era and that as a result of this fact the income disparity between the super rich and everyone else has never been so great since pre-Great Depression Era. Meanwhile, wages for the Middle Class and working poor have remained stagnant or decreased while corporate prophets and estates of the wealthiest Americans have soared. However, most Conservatives do not think that the growing income disparity is a problem despite what economists say otherwise. They believe that the rich earned their money and should keep most. Taxes should remain low even if that means getting rid of programs such as Social Security and Medicare which many Americans depend on and actually paid into and therefore earned. If everyone was currently doing well and wages weren't stagnant for a majority of Americans then I think that there could be a case that low taxes helps the economy and everyone benefits. But, the facts say otherwise. Most people are struggling to make ends meet at the same time that the uber wealthy are making millions and the income disparity continues to grow. the fact is that putting more money in the hands of the Middle Class would stimulate the economy. Over the past ten years we have seen what tax breaks for the few have wrought and it has not delivered on the promise that some of it would trickle down to everyone else. Can we at least agree, conservative and liberal, that trickle down economics does not work, has not worked and never will. Can we at least acknowledge this fact, honestly, not blinded by our ideology.

  • April 24, 2012 10:29 AM CST

    @mcgootoo...ok, Too-shay.

    by Flyswatta

    Still doesn't change my point though. BTW....I was right about the dog angle. Suddenly, we can't talk about dogs anymore and must discuss the issues, like Obama's handling of the economy. Watch how this unfolds...War on women is now a punchline....The attempt to scare people about Mitt Romney's grandfather's multiple wives was swatted down so fast it didn't make the news cycle. The "dog" issue, now even Olbermann won't talk about it. Baine Capital was a bust. In all seriousness...this feels like the reverse of '08. As a self described "Tea Party" conservative, I fully support Romney (most of us do), I like where we are at, and I'm actually having fun this time around.

  • April 24, 2012 10:32 AM CST

    ya, we know, all the idiots who voted for Obangyomama...

    by cozy

    are the same idiots who run all the main media sites

  • http://mediamatters.org/research/200910130047 Fox News has responded to White House criticisms of its network by claiming that while its "editorial" programs are filled with "vibrant opinion," its news hours are straight and objective. However, Fox News' purportedly straight news programs echo its "editorial" programs: From this year alone -- documentation of how Fox's news programming features smears, falsehoods, doctored and deceptive editing, and GOP talking points. Here's one small example: Fox News presents deceptively cropped six-month-old Biden clip as new. On March 16, Live Desk co-host Martha MacCallum claimed that "after weeks of economic doom and gloom, the Obama administration is now singing a slightly different tune. Take a look at what was said in recent interviews this weekend." Live Desk then aired clips of administration officials purportedly giving an optimistic view of the economy, which included video of Vice President Joe Biden stating, "The fundamentals of the economy are strong." However, Biden did not make those remarks during an "interview" that weekend; he made them at a September 2008 campaign event in which he criticized statements by Sen. John McCain. MacCallum apologized the next day.

  • I'm starting a Militia.

  • His ratings lists always have O'Reilly on the bottom, despite there being shows that get less ratings. He really wants to have that visual for himself and serve it to us. He never misses a chance to bash O'Reilly. I'm not saying I'm pro, anti, or neutral when it comes to O'Reilly, but for Christ's sake, stop bringing your politics in here. Can you NOT create a separate site where people can go when they absolutely MUST know how Hercules feels about the issues of the day? The day that site gets more hits than O'Reilly has viewers, I'LL cross dress my damned self.

  • PUSSbag RINO wont want to lose reelection so he'll let the base dowhatever it wants and get ride of all the fuckin free ride handouts for minoirities and whiny poor babies. Bestway to get rid of all the illegals is to have poor whiners take their shit lowincome jobs that they thiank theyre always too good to do.

  • Very racist thing to say. Most people on government welfare programs are poor whites who vote Republican. Your base, racist moron!

  • April 24, 2012 10:53 AM CST

    I hate Fox News, but don't screech the douchey "Faux News" line.

    by MisterManReturns

    It's really stupid, and not "cute." Anyway, Herc, why did you open this can of worms? Now the teabaggers are going to dive-bomb the site. You know that they do that, right? They rub their double-wide hands together in glee (oops), and start posting some of the most illiterate statements known to mankind.

  • The indisputable FACT is that the majority of people on welfare are white.

  • April 24, 2012 11:02 AM CST

    emerald...

    by Red Ned Lynch

    ...look at this. Pew: immigration from Mexico drops to net zero - Immigration from Mexico has reached a net zero, with as many Mexicans moving back to Mexico as are entering the United States, according to the Pew Research Center’s Jeffrey Passel, a highly regarded demographer who used data from both countries. The report released Wednesday cited several possible reasons, including, 'the weakened U.S. job and housing construction markets, heightened border enforcement, a rise in deportations, the growing dangers associated with illegal border crossings, the long-term decline in Mexico’s birth rates and changing economic conditions in Mexico.' And once again, this is the same Pew that, responding to a flurry of polls showing that viewers who cited The Daily Show had a greater knowledge of current events than those of Fox News, created a poll that eschewed general knowledge of civics and current events questions...you know, like what are the responsibilities of each branch of government or who is the speaker of the house...for 'current news' questions like who is Jeremiah Wright...and still had to cherry pick their results by individual Fox News Show to 'prove' Fox News viewers of some Fox News shows (even this poll couldn't help The Factor) knew a little more about 'current events' than Jon Stewart's.

  • April 24, 2012 11:03 AM CST

    Ah, the time when commentary in the news, was listed as such.

    by MisterManReturns

    I don't watch Fox or MSNBC. I find that many of the Internet news sites are basically neutral - the written aspect, I mean. I actually know one of the Fox go-to talking heads, and she's an egotistical monster. She'll say whatever will get her on the air, and she's about as qualified as a hamster, to be discussing anything political. On the other hand, I find it impossible to watch Maddow. It's akin to witnessing an evil junior high girl cover the news. Who'da thought that CNN would become the voice of moderation...for you youngsters, it used to be considered liberal.

  • April 24, 2012 11:04 AM CST

    This Jay guy...

    by werock

    Some funny shit. Learn about taxation sometime dude. Those billionaires pay a smaller % if their income on taxes because investment profits are taxed at a lower rate than employment income. If I make $50,000 at my job, I get taxed more than someone who earned $50,000 on the stock market. I think most moderate people, be it moderate liberal or conservative just want to see it evenly taxed.

  • the guy can not converse normally- do not expect your response to be considered by him anything but progressive deflection, or some other BS he always says when people try to engage him - it's not worth your time or anyone else's - he does his same puppet show to everyone, and then begs for attention and affirmation from other conservatives who are obviously more normal than he can be-

  • April 24, 2012 11:30 AM CST

    a little story...

    by griporama

    there once was a talkback in 2008... it was about an Obama/McCain debate... people were happily posting little gotchas at McCain, but then the unthinkable happened: McCain got some coherent points into the arguments. One longtime poster had the temerity to comment on it, and then make 3 more non-profane, concise points that were to the detriment of Obama. Hercules, one of the posters this day, then summarily deleted that dissenting poster's posts... and then banned him. Thereby deleting an account that had been around since Glenn. I miss Glenn. Yes, I still have the occasional bout of bitterness, along with amusement at "Herc the Republican".

  • April 24, 2012 11:31 AM CST

    Yeah no monorities are on welfare, my ass

    by Emerald Snoggingbottom

    As a black-hispanic man, I grew up in a neighborhood ful of minorities and the workingp eople, the ones with pride, like my FATHER and MOTHER, were the exception not the rule. They werent like the crackhead PUSSbags who wine about eing drugtested for a free check every month.

  • April 24, 2012 11:32 AM CST

    Well...not true about "evenly taxed"

    by Flyswatta

    Most investment income is already taxed twice. Some have an effective tax rate hovering near 50% on that money which is insane. The idea that people aren't paying their fair share is not supported by fact..actually its just a talking point. but this is all beside the point.... Everyone here carping about the buffet rule and fairness must understand that the dividend income they hate so much is their only shot at having a decent retirement. Jacking up this taxes hurts retirees (I.e. average people). And before you bring up Roth Ira's....realize that the paltry amount you are allowed to contribute isn't going to cut it. Also...plz don't bring up Social Security....if that's your retirement than you had better figure something else out.

  • April 24, 2012 11:35 AM CST

    CNN isnt liberal or moderate. Its boring bland gimmicky bullshit.

    by Emerald Snoggingbottom

    Fuckin holograms and Wolf Blitzer carrying on like someones grandma about nonsense.

  • emerald_snoggingbottom - who said no monorities are on welfare? Somene did say, correctly, that the MAJORITY of those on welfare are white conservatives - sorry if you read that incorrectly But it is always a good thing for decent parents to set a good example for their kids to follow..... you are one of the lucky ones

  • April 24, 2012 11:36 AM CST

    Social security needs to die quicker

    by Emerald Snoggingbottom

    Make people looking forwadr to it get serious about shit, maybe read and work al ittle more, get into their investments and not be so fricolous about their money.

  • And GET THIS they had enough money to retire on and they worked ahard enough to get the right jobs that would give them benefits well after they retired. They really dont need social security. its wasted on them. Put that money back in the pockets of thepoeple who made that.

  • Work hard, put your head down, work hard, focus, sacrifice the bullshit soft PUSS stuff, work hard and make something of your own.

  • April 24, 2012 11:47 AM CST

    CNN moderate?

    by John C. Croker

    The same CNN that employed Glenn Beck until 2008 on their Headline News station? The same CNN that let Lou Dobbs rant about the ridiculous Obama birther conspiracy theory for months? The same CNN who employs Eric Erickson who ran/runs the redstate website and is known for calling Supreme Court Justice Davis Souter a "goat-fucking child molester" among other such gems? The same CNN who employs Dana Loesch who cheers for US troops pissing on corpses and other little nuggets of right wing insanity? That CNN is "moderate?" Christ. The overton window really has shifted.

  • April 24, 2012 11:51 AM CST

    emerald - the cleaners called..

    by openthepodbaydoorshal

    Your white sheets are ready.

  • Fox likes saying it's the number one cable news network, but it's nice showing how the other networks are stacking up against them. The one thing that might have been nice would have been if you had posted the ratings for the network news shows, to show how small a pond cable news is compared to the networks.

  • April 24, 2012 11:57 AM CST

    You know how insulting htat is to me as a black hispanic man, penthepodbaydoors?

    by Emerald Snoggingbottom

    The KKK was founded bys outhern white DEMOCRATS, liberals that gave handouts white folks to keep the poor peple in line you fuckin scumbag. Now the democrats have just figured outhow to do that to minorities of which many minorties are complicitt you fuckface. Fuck yoU!

  • April 24, 2012 11:58 AM CST

    with two posters called emerald....

    by emeraldboy

    its time to consider stop posting...

  • April 24, 2012 11:58 AM CST

    Red Ned Lynch

    by BoyNamedSue

    You're obviously a liberal stooge who can't think for himself and who views the world through a set of goggles that MSNBC gave you.....No need to be defensive with the likes of you. Visit Newsbusters.org every day. The bias against conservatives is well documented.

  • this oft repeated conservative talking point is actually a half truth, a common tactic used in the Right Wing misinformation machine What they are referring to is the fact that income taxed monies are then used to be invested in the stock market. Hence this money has already been taxed. Here where the lie comes in: Nobody is talking about taxing that initial investment money. What is actually being taxed is the profit that is made from that investment, which is INCOME and should be taxed as such. So, what they are actually complaining about is that they don't think that they should be taxed on income attained from investment because they are taking a risk by putting their money in the Stock Market. But, if someone wins money playing slot machines or the lottery that money is taxed as income so why shouldn't investment income?

  • April 24, 2012 12:00 PM CST

    flyswatta...investment income being taxed twice...

    by Red Ned Lynch

    ...is a conservative meme that has no basis in reality. They claim that income from corporate dividends is taxed twice. What they mean is this: the corporation pays taxes...well, sometimes, anyway....and then the investor pays taxes on the income derived from their dividend. So what they're saying is...this was already taxed as money the corporation earned. It's unfair that it's taxed again at all when an investor gets it. The corporation pays dividends to investors for the use of their money (the money that bought stock shares). By this same logic, if you hired a guy to build a web-site for your company, he shouldn't have to pay taxes on what you paid him, because you already paid taxes when you earned that money. Of course they don't make that argument, because in that case the money is in both cases earned by labor. It is an attempt to artificially differentiate money earned without working from money earned by working, with money earned without working given special, magical benefits. Now when it comes to the other side of legal issues, such as liability, investors want to be (and legally are) protected from both financial and criminal reprecussions arising from the conduct of the corporation (as just one example), but when it comes to deriving profit they believe they should be considered the corporation, with its nearly non-existent effective tax rate also covering their profits. Neat trick, if you can pull it off (and they have) but in no way compatible with American traditions of fairness. So my question, flyswatta', is do you believe this particular nonsense or did you just think no one here would call you on it?

  • April 24, 2012 12:02 PM CST

    Hey darth-meh!

    by Red Ned Lynch

    You beat me by a minute!

  • April 24, 2012 12:03 PM CST

    red ned lynch and darth meh are either the sameperson or boyfriend and grilfriend!

    by Emerald Snoggingbottom

    PUSSbags either way. Tax everyone EVERYONE at a flat rate (15% should do), including corps and be done with it.

  • April 24, 2012 12:04 PM CST

    Emeraldboy...

    by Red Ned Lynch

    ...don't worry. I surely know who you are, and I'm not too likely to confuse you for the other. Still, you're right. I'll call him Snoggle. And on that topic... Snoggle, it was a Pew poll I was quoting. And Pew has a moderately conservative slant.

  • April 24, 2012 12:10 PM CST

    Where's coughlin's laws? These guys are lightweights and

    by Joe Plumber

    PUSSbags. Whatever that is.

  • April 24, 2012 12:11 PM CST

    Nice, a Political Talkback!

    by tailhook

    Complete with mudslinging and namecalling and egged on by a formerly respectable moderator. GOOD STUFF! As per Glee, haven't watched it since after Season 1. It morphed from a great show about teenagers in high school mixed with song to simply a cameofest, sellout job, and political battleaxe that dropped any semblence of a coherent storyline in favor of wallowing in its own selfrighteousness. I still watch O'Reilly from time to time as you know exactly what you're going to get there and it isn't likely to change much.

  • Illiterates generally don't fare well in the job market.

  • April 24, 2012 12:16 PM CST

    These liberals have the right idea: Ending Obamacare will destroy Medicare. GOOD.

    by Emerald Snoggingbottom

    http://tpmdc.talkingpointsmemo.com/2012/04/how-the-demise-of-obamacare-would-take-medicare-and-the-rest-of-the-health-care-system-with-it.php Maybe getting rid of all this entitlement bullshit will make the indstry vitalized again and people will start figuring out how to take care opf themselves for once.

  • April 24, 2012 12:21 PM CST

    Im typing fast you asshole. Who cares? its AICN?

    by Emerald Snoggingbottom

  • April 24, 2012 12:36 PM CST

    boynamedsue...

    by Red Ned Lynch

    ...I can add nothing to your response to me that would more elegantly illustrate my initial point. Thank you.

  • April 24, 2012 12:38 PM CST

    mcgo I just hate when people accuse me of shit im not. sorry, but it sets me off.

    by Emerald Snoggingbottom

  • emerald_snoggingbottom - if you are who you claim to be, a more measured, even tempered response might make what you have to say more palatable- just saying- you seem like an OK fellow American - I wish we could all get along better - it's easy to get over the top and insulting with what we believe- I do it too much myself and will try to reign it in and refocus

  • I'm just tired of the misinformation which is a euphemism for flat out lies. Everyone knows now that Death Panels and It Will End Medicare were lies the conservatives told about the Affordable Health Care Act, but the fearmongering worked and led to Republicans being elected and our current obstructionist do nothing Congress.

  • And I am learning from both of you - that is what these talkbacks should be all about- but we are all still just chimps with black monolith blood underneath our patina of civility

  • April 24, 2012 1:03 PM CST

    McGootoo, I think that's why it is important to focus on facts

    by Joe Plumber

    Not truth, which can be subjective. But facts. For instance it is a fact that the large majority of climatologists believe that climate change is manmade, but this won't stop someone from believing the fringe few who deny it, because of their personal ideology.

  • But your statements regarding assistance did smack of racism, regardless of your heritage. Just sayin'. But it seems you had experience with a segment of the population that may have abused the system. That is still a segment and not the whole picture, yes?

  • April 24, 2012 1:15 PM CST

    do any of you fox haters actually watch fox news?

    by allstar21

    i watch fox news because they do a good job of showing both sides of the argument. Have you heard of people like Bob Beckel, Alan Colmes, Kirsten Powers, Joe Tripi, Juan Williams? all liberals who are fox news daily to provide the liberal perspective. Have you watched their election coverage? some of the most unbiased i have ever seen and I watch CNN and MSNBC. shepard smith and greta van susteren are both democrats. so to say that fox is this haven for conservatives isn't 100% true. Take a moment to actually watch fox and you will see a spirited debate on the issues on almost every show (even hannity!)

  • Any true conservative wants to end both these programs to bring about REAL CAHNGE so people can be selfdependent again.

  • I could argue semantics about truth and facts, but I get your point without totally agreeing Is it that we all want to feel like we are connected to something, part of a larger body of similar thought, even when it is a bad connection that is fed into through our fears, hopes and desires for a good life before we all become stardust once again?

  • April 24, 2012 1:22 PM CST

    thank you allstar. thank you for that

    by Emerald Snoggingbottom

  • Lets see Ed schultz take Hannity's approach for years like Colmes and Beckel do. Hed break down and cry and whine about fairness instead of making ap oint. I dont agree with Colmes and Beckel but they got balls and aren't PUSSbags like the libs on MSNBC and ABC news.

  • Just checking. Paying into a program all your working life and then using the benefits of that program when you are of age to receive them is not being a free loader or dependent. The reason the Republicans want to do away with these very popular and successful programs is because they and the Democrats borrowed money from their funds for other things and don't want to pay that money they owe back. Oh, they'll tell you that the programs are not financially viable and will run out of money soon, which is true, but only because the government raided those funds. Bill Clinton wanted to use the surplus he created during his presidency to make SS financially sound and Al Gore wanted to put the funds into a metaphorical lockbox so that no one could borrow money from it for any other reason than to pay beneficiaries. Of course, these ideas made too much sense to ever be implemented.

  • April 24, 2012 1:32 PM CST

    Sorry Darth...that $$ is taxed twice.

    by Flyswatta

    Its simple really...I earn $$. The govt takes a chunk. I invest it. Same money grows...the govt takes a chunk. I die, and if I did really well, the govt takes another chunk. I personally don't care if the govt decides to divide it up in ways to convince people that this is ok. In that case...its 3 times. Its wrong. But like I said in my post...the idea that we're going to stick to some dude who looks like the top-hat wearing evil guys in Monopoly is a lie. This hurts average people like myself (and I assume you) who will be depending on these earnings in the future.

  • April 24, 2012 1:35 PM CST

    Secretive Bilderberg Group Set To Meet In Virginia May 31st-June 3rd

    by WINONA_RYDERS_PUSSY_JUICE

    www.infowars.com

  • April 24, 2012 1:36 PM CST

    flyswatta I agree with you on taxes but spare the Monopoly guy.

    by Emerald Snoggingbottom

    Hes clearly depicted as a good guy, a loveable cararacter. Youre not doing our side any facvors by getting shit wrong.

  • April 24, 2012 1:36 PM CST

    Money never stops being taxed..its time to stop that bullshit

    by Emerald Snoggingbottom

  • April 24, 2012 1:40 PM CST

    I'm not demonizing the Monopoly guy...it's Obama and the 99%'s

    by Flyswatta

    Though I have to wonder...isn't there a dog in the original monopoly game, and would Obama choose that?

  • April 24, 2012 1:43 PM CST

    Im paqrt of the 99% supposedly but I dont want those assholes speaking for me.

    by Emerald Snoggingbottom

    The 99% in this country would be the top 5% in most, maybe 90% of other countres. Stop fuckin whining and get a job. Forget social security and medicaire. Worry about yourself foronce.

  • They are afraid of minorities and women with equal power and homosexuality. They don't want their tax dollars going to build an America that they don't fit in any more. They don't mind their tax dollars going towards dropping bombs on and killing brown people elsewhere in the world. It really doesn't matter the cause. Conservatives espouse patriotism and national identity at the same time that they cry every man for himself. They are susceptible to the lies and misinformation because fear is a very powerful motivator as Goebbels famously said. I'm really shocked that they are embracing a Mormon. But, I guess a half black man is more scary than a cult leader.

  • April 24, 2012 1:54 PM CST

    flyswatta...

    by Red Ned Lynch

    ...that money growing is called...earning money. So yes, it should be taxed. It's not taxing the same money twice. Your investment is not taxed. Only the profits which are derived. If your position on an issue is such that you can only defend it by trying to obscure the truth about it then perhaps you might need to think about whether your position on the issue is correct.

  • and that if we tax money made from other forms of gambling shouldn't we tax income made from investments? I don't see the difference. I do get your point about it hurting retirement funds, but if we had a progressive tax rate instead of a flat tax rate on Capital Gains, multimillionaires like Romney would pay a higher rate than someone like you and I.

  • April 24, 2012 2:01 PM CST

    darth-meh! & red ned lynch - excellent work

    by fat_rancor_keeper

    god job guys. You have called these clowns on their bullshit with straight facts.

  • *In either case I'm done here.* which means i cant refute anything u say. typical.

  • April 24, 2012 2:08 PM CST

    @flyswatta As a note...

    by Arguendo

    This post is only meant to be mildly snarky. The other part is meant to be information. Just as a heads up, if you earn money and put it into an IRA, it's not taxed when you earn the money. You put it into your IRA, invest it, and withdraw it (with, supposedly gains from the investment) and then it is taxed. Alternatives, if you earn money and pay taxes on it, you can then put it into a Roth IRA. Then you invest it, (supposedly with gains from your investment) and withdraw and then you don't pay taxes on any of the gains. That will protect you from "double" taxation at least for your retirement funds. On a broader point, you can either believe or not believe in taxes, but whether it's split into one, two, three (or a different number) of payments is mildly irrelevant. Just lump them together and ask, is the taxation -- overall -- excessive or not? As an ancillary point, there are often reasons for multiple iterations of taxation -- but this is typically associated with who collects. Obviously, state and federal taxes are different, predominantly because federal taxes go to federal funds and state taxes go to state funds. There's some mixing of the funds, of course, but there's also some inertia. Federal and state funds are certainly not that liquid. Note that there is no federal sales tax (in contrast other countries often have VATs), so all sales taxes that you pay are to localities (either states or municipalities). Sales taxes and income taxes are alternate forms of taxation, but they also don't have identical implications. Sales tax tends to tax people who buy things from a locality whereas income taxes tend to tax people who live in a locality. For example, imagine there is a consultant from Virgina who works in West Virginia during the week. During the week he would travel to W. Virgina. Implicit in his travels he is using W. Virginian resources, e.g., wearing down roads that were paid with W. Virginia's tax dollars. Benefiting from the stop signs, the police protection, etc. that were paid with W. Virginia's tax dollars. As such, W. Virginia would like to get some money back from him, but luckily, since he works in W. Virginia he probably buys things there too and will have to pay tax. At the same time, he rents an apartment in Virginia and consumes Virginia resources as well (fire protection, etc.), so he has to pay income taxes to Virginia. For the individual states, splitting taxation between sales and income tax helps to balance out any potential quirks that may arise from states who have a lot of visitors or states who have a lot of residents. Alaska, for example, does not have an income tax, but some localities (not the state) do charge sales taxes. It is worth noting that the much of the resources that are used in Alaska are used by tourists (not Alaskan residents). TLDR - There are reasons (sometimes not transparent) why people are taxed multiple times.

  • April 24, 2012 2:11 PM CST

    if all *true* conservatives are against SS, why do they use it?

    by Michael Lunney

  • April 24, 2012 2:19 PM CST

    My parents dont use social security and I won't. Can't reall comment beyond that.

    by Emerald Snoggingbottom

    Other than a couple family friends and relatives. We've done well and are proud of it. My view is that if someone takes ss or medicare than they can't call themselves a true conseraitve.

  • April 24, 2012 2:20 PM CST

    hey red ned, get ur head out Martin Bashir's rectum buddy...

    by jay2517

    ...he tried to cite that same faulty Pew poll crap too. PEJ reported mostly (64%) on the CAMPAIGN STRATEGY. and the reason Republicans got *positive* coverage is because they each WON their primaries. the PEJ is not actually covering what the PRESS is saying about the candidates. u actually think Romney, Santorum etc got POSITIVE coverage in the extreme progressive/liberal media? do u NOT watch MSNC, CNN, ABC, NBC etc?? the Pew uses faulty methodology buddy, and so do YOU.

  • April 24, 2012 2:22 PM CST

    Taxation up to a certain point becomes amoral, imho

    by SK229

    And Darth_Meh - hammer, meet nail. It's amazing to me that this shit isn't pointed out during debates and what not. Whether it's financially solvent or not, people paid into it, it's technically THEIR MONEY at a certain point, and the Republicans raided it just as much as anyone else. Like I said, I'm amazed that these extremely simple things aren't brought up and these fucktards aren't called to the carpet for the never ending stream of bullshit from BOTH SIDES. They have no clue what they're doing, and when they do, they exist only to enrich themselves and their friends. I can't believe how easy it is to pull the wool over the eyes of voters with cognitive dissonance and beating the drum about Socialist this, Facist that, Neo-con something or other... they're all in cahoots in one way or another and the only goal is to get your vote and keep themselves employed. How anyone cannot see this, after what's happened the last ten years, is beyond me. One thing that pisses me off more than anything - in the last few years I've lived in D.C., NJ, and L.A. - the roads are fucking terrible pretty much everywhere and getting worse. In New Jersey and D.C. especially, infrastructure is crumbling and what do you see? Them repaving the same fucking stretch of road over and over and over again. Then, if there's a significant construction project like an on ramp or a truck weigh station, it goes on for FIVE TO TEN FUCKING YEARS and when it's done, you go, 'That's it?' If there's one thing that makes you realize right away that your money is being pissed down the toilet, it's the sorry state of our infrastructure. I love how the only solution is to tax more. Why does nobody ever stand up (besides Ron Paul) and say, "How about we go line-by-line and figure out where our money is being wasted before we ask for more?" If they tax more, you know what happens? They waste that money too. Then they'll ask for more after that. It NEVER ENDS and they won't get it sorted out until it's too late, I guarantee it. Human greed, folly, and hubris is not exclusive to Democrats or Republicans, but it does seem to be an especially irresistible sport for American politicians and investment banks.

  • bbbbut, conservatives advocate for violence and death! classy and i see some SS visits for u in the future :)

  • April 24, 2012 2:26 PM CST

    werok....

    by jay2517

    *Some funny shit. Learn about taxation sometime dude. Those billionaires pay a smaller % if their income on taxes because investment profits are taxed at a lower rate than employment income.*--- i know all about it :) it still doesnt change the fact that they still pay taxes like everyone else. sounds like u need to look into championing tax reform also. good luck with that dude :)

  • April 24, 2012 2:26 PM CST

    Re: Emerald, 'true conservative' huh?

    by SK229

    It seems to me a 'true conservative' would want rights upon what they've earned. And I could be wrong, but I don't believe you have a 'choice' about collecting social security. Once your old enough, they start sending you checks based upon how much you paid into it working your whole life. So as a true conservative, you let them earmark the money you earned and paid into S.S. for people who DID NOT earn it? I think you're confusing people over 65 collecting S.S. versus people collecting it as disability which, again, depends upon how much you've paid into it.

  • April 24, 2012 2:29 PM CST

    Im saying that we shouldnt even pay into social security.

    by Emerald Snoggingbottom

    I should have control of that money, and it shouldnt be in a government run ponzi scheme. My money I pay into social security doesnt go to me by the way. It goes to old people today. Later on Ill get checks from younger peoples money. PONZIS CHEME

  • April 24, 2012 2:30 PM CST

    Re: Red Ned and Darth Meh

    by SK229

    In case my post is misread, I DO support taxation in some form, how much is a matter of what's necessary to keep schools, infrastructure, etc. funded. But you both must agree that we need to look at where our money goes and where the political waste is before asking for more, right?

  • April 24, 2012 2:31 PM CST

    Right, but since we DO have to pay into it...

    by SK229

    how can you begrudge people who take back what they paid into it? Why not fight the real enemy, politicians who've repeatedly raided the fund to finance their own bullshit projects and fantasyland budgets?

  • April 24, 2012 2:35 PM CST

    and lastly the schizo mcgoo...

    by jay2517

    u know, its getting kinda sad to read all ur projection filled posts. it really is. all u do is run from my facts, dont refute them and insult. rinse and repeat. its all good though. ur one of the many mindless zombie progressives that litter sites like this. im used to it. and BTW........................................MEDIA MATTERS????ur citing MEDIA MATTERS as a legit source????? BBWWWAAAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHA!!!! what? was Talking Points Memo down for the day? u been banned from News Hounds LOL??? Media Matters......REALLY? how low can u go? no wonder ur other *hero* is the coward king Olbermann. when in doubt cite Media Matters, THAT will win u the debate 'fo 'sho LOL! oh, that made my day!

  • April 24, 2012 2:35 PM CST

    Not so fast everyone.....

    by Flyswatta

    I already made the point about the IRA in a post above. The larger point was that a $5000 annual cap on the IRA demands an extraordinary rate of return on those investment returns to see any reasonable quality of life. We'll all be relying on investment returns from other sources of income outside the tax shelter, which is why the taxes these guys want are disasterous. Now the larger point of whether to tax profits twice... I don't want money taxed each time it enters the economy. Once is enough for me. When you say, "So yes...it SHOULD be taxed", you are leaving the world of facts and entering opinion my friend. This isn't about definitions...we have two different opinions. Arguendo makes this point very well by saying "who cares what you call it. Is it too much tax?". I say yes...you say no. These are basic fundamental disagreements on the role of government and taxation in general. Funny though, everyone is still pretty silent on the "fact" that the Buffet Rule really won't do anything about the deficit. Heck, even Hercules agreed with that one.

  • April 24, 2012 2:49 PM CST

    jay2517...flyswatta...

    by Red Ned Lynch

    ...oh Jay, then that coverage should have also included coverage of Obama's speeches during that period, as well as 'negative' reports on those losing the primaries. And it was Pew, no less. Still, nice try. Obfuscate or ignore. Flyswatta...we call it investment income. Investment income. Your comment that you think money shouldn't be taxed each time it enters the economy is just nonsensical. And I think you know it is. The investment income we earn is income, just the same as the income earned through labor. Now I am not someone who views income earned from investment as somehow morally inferior to income earned through the sweat of the brow. However, I also do not view it as somehow superior. And as long as we have an income tax instead of a labor tax (I hope none of Paul Ryan's handlers are reading this or they'll have Frank Luntz out with a focus group testing work tax by next week) income, from whatever source, should be taxed as income. You tried to call the taxation of income earned by your investment doulbe taxation and that is simply not true. I believe it is because you know that most reasonable people, when told that income earned from investments should be taxed in the same way as income earned by labor would agree with that absolutely fair sentiment. But when you say that they're taxing the money you already paid taxes on, as you did, that low information voters will nod their head and agree that taxing your money twice sure is wrong. If you have to try to hide what it is you are actually advocating in order to effectively advocate it your position is probably unjust.

  • I probably have as many problems with the government as conservatives do. For one, I am tired of a government that is supposed to be FOR THE PEOPLE but only represents a small percentage of the populace, the few with money and influence. The amount of money that pours into our political system to buy influence is ridiculous and now thanks to the Citizens United debacle the influence of money will reach epic levels of absurdity this fall. I support term limits for the House and Senate so that the state of government isn't constant posturing for the next campaign. I was opposed to our government starting two expensive and unnecessary wars. The war profiteers and oil corporations made out like bandits thanks to the Iraq war and the American tax payer was left footing the bill. Not to mention billion of tax dollars disappeared during that war, completely unaccounted for. It completely disgusts me that politicians who didn't want to raise taxes to fund their pet projects or wanted to pretend to balance the budget to make themselves look good raided the Social Security trusts to do so and never paid that money back and now they have the balls to say we need to cut/limit benefits. F' You!

  • April 24, 2012 2:53 PM CST

    Sorry about the miss ...

    by Arguendo

    @flyswatta Sorry about your previous comment on IRAs. I can only casually browse AICN so, I don't have a chance to read through the whole breadth of posts. I just wanted to give a potential heads up, in case, you know, anyone needed to invest for retirement. @sk229 "we need to look at where our money goes and where the political waste is before asking for more, right?" It makes sense in spirit, but it's not that practical -- and this aligns with something of the comment as to "is it too much tax?" Let's put it this way. Imagine that the government is the boy who cried wolf. It starts and says, I need more taxes, and we say: "okay, sure." We give the government money and see nothing in return. Then it goes "I need more taxes!" and we say "okay," give it taxes and get nothing in return. Then one day it goes: "I need more taxes! The terrorists are coming!" and we say: "screw you government, you just use the taxes to buy pies!" but this time there actually are terrorists coming, and they destroy our town and all the pies. The point is that, sure, we probably spend too much on taxes and a lot of that tax money is wasted. It's not perfectly clear that there aren't any pressing issues (be they terrorism, the economy, or "something else") which could be resolved with tax money -- and I certainly don't have a holistic view on government affairs to judge where that would be. At the end, the question needs to be: "What are the cause and effects of this incremental tax?" Including: what is its (likely) impact on the issue that is being resolved and its impact on the people from which this tax comes from and what mechanisms (i.e., oversight) do we need to institute (including the costs of those mechanisms) to ensure that it is used in an appropriate manner? We need to *simultaneously* review the budget to figure out where tax money is being wasted. Again, this doesn't mean we accept every request for tax increases at face value. If the tax is intended to fund something that we -- as a people -- feel is qualitatively unworthy of the investment, then we should not. Indeed, even if the tax is intended to fund something that we believe might be worthwhile but not critical, withholding tax revenue as a method of lighting the fire under whoever is responsible for oversight might still be a good choice. However, if the revenue is required to fund something important then you need to take a good hard look and say -- what are the incremental costs versus the incremental benefits?

  • April 24, 2012 2:59 PM CST

    Not so fast (again)!

    by Flyswatta

    I love it..."most reasonable people".....and "I believe it is.." Very objective, and fact based discussion there. Since I'm not hiding about what I believe, here it is in plain language: In no way should taxes, whether it is from investment income, "labor" or whatever, should be raised one dime. I don't care if its called the Buffett rule, or whatever. People like myself can more efficiently allocate it than the DC types.

  • I wasn't calling for the head of anyone like that dimwitted cross-eyed loser who plays guitar and kills helpless animals for shits and giggles.

  • April 24, 2012 3:03 PM CST

    Then why didn't you say that to begin...

    by Red Ned Lynch

    ...with? Why did you start out by claiming your money was being taxed twice? Why did you begin with a lie?

  • April 24, 2012 3:06 PM CST

    Because you're right...

    by Red Ned Lynch

    ...I did guess as to what your reason was for lying. It seemed a reasonable guess, but I don't know you so you may have some other. You tell me why you staked out your original position by trying to hide the truth.

  • flyswatta - you may be a shining example of financial repsonsibility, but hope you never get seriously sick and see your money dwindle away to nothing- not everyone is like you and can be so efficient with their earnings- we live in a community called the US - not 300 million islands of self-sufficiency Assuming eveyone is like you, conservative or liberal, is not efficient thinking or good for the country- but I get where you are coming from - not everyone can live this ideal world that is in your mind - unfortunately shit happens- and at times- most of us are going to need help in one way or another just to surviove, and I know you respect humanity and human life to not want to see people suffer needlessly War and religion are preoccupations of humanity that we could all be better without But, chimps with smarts and alien intervention - just saying....

  • April 24, 2012 3:12 PM CST

    @mcgootoo Rancor

    by Arguendo

    Yes, (I believe) the political talk has always been this vicious, if not worse, from the days before and after the Bull Moose Party. The issue is generally not an intensifying of viciousness, but the fact that the louder voices get heard. With the internet and greater connectivity, you get to hear loud voices from corners of the country (world) that you didn't use to have exposure to and, with the bigger sample size, it's likely those voices are even louder than you would have been likely to run into in the past. Rancor is distasteful, but not necessarily detrimental. A body with largely divergent opinions can often cover more potential solutions than a body comprised of moderates. Our legal system is based in part on the idea that two very biased parties (prosecution and defense) can help uncover more information and arguments about a particular case than a group of moderates. That said, it's not always a good thing too, and our legal system also allows for things such as "ajudication." Keep in mind that, despite the rhetoric from either party, a large swath of Americans (I would say the bulk, but I openly admit to having no information on this) pretty much don't care either way who wins. They'll have a mild preference, but whether it's a conservative or a liberal president in charge, it'll have a minimal impact on their lives. This was pretty true even during the Revolutionary War, where many Americans pretty much didn't care if the British were in power or not. Of course, the history we read is about the hardcore Revolutionaries and Tories.

  • April 24, 2012 3:13 PM CST

    red ned, you schooled him and he couldn't handle the truth

    by Joe Plumber

    he really believed his money was being taxed twice because that's the misinformation that he was given from the conservative propaganda machine.

  • April 24, 2012 3:17 PM CST

    It is taxed 2X....

    by Flyswatta

    Not sure I can make it any plainer. You pay income tax...then invest what's left over. The money goes into an account, and when it comes out, I pay again. Mind you, it never left my possession. That's wrong. This is why so many are starting to take a look at things like the flat tax, etc.

  • April 24, 2012 3:21 PM CST

    You pay taxes on the income...

    by Red Ned Lynch

    ...earned by that money.

  • April 24, 2012 3:21 PM CST

    Maybe we should call it double dipping to help you understand

    by Flyswatta

  • April 24, 2012 3:23 PM CST

    Ha, we made this the #1 Talkback

    by Joe Plumber

    Herc gets an extra nickel in his paycheck this week.

  • April 24, 2012 3:25 PM CST

    Just because those taxes are in some cases...

    by Red Ned Lynch

    ...deferred does not make them any the less taxes on the income earned. Are you really saying that you have retirement accounts and absolutely no knowledge of how they work? You pay on interests, dividends and...no, I am not going to explain tax law to you. If you really are this uninformed then learn. If you are this determined a troll then I'm wasting my time.

  • April 24, 2012 3:27 PM CST

    I believe what I believe out of compassion

    by Flyswatta

    Like I've tried to say before...I don't believe in redistribution. This is a basic philisophical difference. I believe a very lightly regulated private market is the best means to distribute goods and services. The alternatives are too terrible....just read about the 20th century. You want everyone to have health care? Well for starters, get the govt out of it. Provide a safety net for those at the very bottom, that's it. Because, honestly, we really don't have a choice in this. Look at Iceland, Greece, Spain, even France now.

  • April 24, 2012 3:29 PM CST

    I undersand completely...

    by Flyswatta

    how they work. I just don't agree with the status quo...and don't buy into the current tax paradigm, and that is what conservatives are working to upend and change. Should be pretty clear by now.

  • Smash was great like always, I love the total change over at the end and how even then it didn't totally work for Ivy. Can't wait to see the Whitney Housten tribute on Glee tonight.

  • April 24, 2012 3:37 PM CST

    And so you lie...

    by Red Ned Lynch

    ...and claim the same money is being taxed twice. I understand you now, too.

  • April 24, 2012 3:39 PM CST

    Double taxation and semantics...

    by Arguendo

    I think it just ends up being a matter of what one chooses to see as taxation. Illustrated example: You earn $100, pay $30 of income tax, so you have $70. You invest it in a stock. The stock price goes up to $170. You sell the stock and you receive $190 - $90 = $100 "extra" of capital gains on top of what you put in. You pay $15 of tax on the $100 extra you made. So you get your $90 investment back, plus ($100 - $15) = $85 or $175 total. In a different world: You earn $100, pay $30 of income tax, so you have $70. You invest it in a stock. The stock price stays at exactly $70. You sell the stock and you receive $70 - $70 = $0 "extra" of capital gains on top of what you put in. You pay $0 of tax on the $0 capital gains you made. So you get your $70 back. You pay tax "a second time" when you make capital gains. If you don't make gains, you only pay tax "once." Whether this is counted as taxes on the same money, simply depends on whether you view the gains made based on the same money as being part of the same money. Some of you do and some of you don't. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------ I don't think the "double" taxation thing is really a problem. Think of it this way, imagine you earned money at a job and then used the savings to start a company. Now this company makes it big -- it's the next News Corp or whatever. Should you pay taxes on the profits that your News Corp II makes? When you invest in a stock, you are *buying* a company. Really, you own the company. Not a lot of it, but a bit. And it's not that ridiculous of a comparison. Venture capitalists do the same exact thing, but they own bigger chunks of the company. Leveraged buy outs are similar. The thing is, the government isn't taxing *money* it's taxing *money making activities.* It's a difficult judgment call to make regarding what type of money making activity should be taxed and what shouldn't. Alternatively, imagine you have someone who works as a waiter and someone who works as a day trader. The waiter makes money off of the work he does and is taxed. The day trader makes money off of investments (which is still kind of work), but should he not also be taxed? How about the person who is a part time waiter and part time day trader? Note, for example, that capital gains on a primary home (up to a point) are often not taxed, because home buying is generally not viewed as a money making activity. When you get into buying and selling a second home, these are taxed (because how are you different from a real estate agency/landlord/construction company)? The differential in tax rates is designed to encourage more investing -- so yes, we are applying different tax rates on different money making activities. What is up to debate is the amount of these taxes and the differential.

  • I guess you believe that if everyone who works in the Service Industries works hard enough that they all can become CEOs of the companies they work for and then we can build robots to do the low paying jobs.

  • April 24, 2012 3:40 PM CST

    No coverage of Olbermann v. Gore?

    by Moedred

    I figured the negative ratings were notable. (Viewers are still trying to unwatch it.)

  • April 24, 2012 3:41 PM CST

    Well, my original post was lamenting politics on this site...

    by Flyswatta

    and this is why. I don't agree with you so, I'm lying and a 'troll'. I believe the govt "double dips" and you don't. Oh, well. Should have taken my original advice....

  • April 24, 2012 3:48 PM CST

    actually, robots would be to expensive

    by Joe Plumber

    let's bring back slavery. Or eliminate the Minimum Wage which would essentially be the same thing.

  • April 24, 2012 3:50 PM CST

    @darth No I don't

    by Flyswatta

    Actually, I don't waste much if any time worrying about what someone else makes. Besides, 2004 census data paints a completely different picture than than the 99%/1% model. The largest grouping of households made just over $100k annually. In the brackets going all the way down to $50k a year (if memory serves) were well filled as well. I've personally lived in all of the se income ranges and can attest that it is pretty comfortable living. Some you have to budget for, some not. Long story short, the current system seems to be shepherding people into that $50k-100k range, which everyone should be quite happy with.

  • April 24, 2012 3:51 PM CST

    Now I'm going to take my own advice and punch out....

    by Flyswatta

  • This is your brain. This is your brain on Fox News.

  • April 24, 2012 3:53 PM CST

    jay2517, go fuck a duck

    by JaredP

    you are so fucking stupid. the rich deserve to pay their fair share, and right now they are not. the buffet rule will make sure the rich are keeping in line with their big fat pychecks

  • April 24, 2012 3:57 PM CST

    flyswatta...

    by Red Ned Lynch

    ...you are paying taxes on income. If the same money was being taxed twice you would pay that 15% on the initial investment that was already taxed. You are paying tax on accrued income which has never been taxed before. In arguendo's example, for instance, only the original $70.00 was taxed. None of the other money was. It cannot be double taxed because it has not been taxed yet. Any money earned is not magical, it is income your initial investment has earned you. You were paid that income for the use of your money. Just as you are paid income for labor. To say you don't want to be taxed for the money you were paid for the use of your money is one thing. Hell, you can say that you don't want to be taxed for the money you made working. But to call it double taxation is not semantics. It is dishonest.

  • April 24, 2012 4:03 PM CST

    And darth_meh...

    by Red Ned Lynch

    ...or maybe I should call you baby, since you're my girl/boy/friend...you gave by far the better explanation. I was answering the other double taxation talking point. I thought that was the one he must be using because it's the harder one to debunk. You were the one who was right on the mark.

  • April 24, 2012 4:21 PM CST

    thascott, please don't vote this fall

    by Joe Plumber

    SS has kept millions of American seniors out of poverty for over half a century. Calling SS a ponzi scheme is propaganda.

  • April 24, 2012 4:26 PM CST

    And if people dont have neough to retire on when they get older, well fuck em.

    by Emerald Snoggingbottom

    Sorry but thats the fact of life. If you cant prepare yourself for the hars realiities of old age, even if it means sacrificing some stuff then so be it. Cant afford a new car, dont buy one. Cant afford a hous, rent an apt. Cant afford to have kids, dont have em. Dont need an ipod or an iphone. Sure you need a coputer these days but you dont have to get a mac or something so expensive. Live within your means and even a bit below them if you can otherwise youre gonna be whining and crying like the rest of them later on. Sorry but I cant pity people who are left with nothing after years of taking on things they had no busines staking on.

  • April 24, 2012 4:33 PM CST

    emerald, how very compassionate of you

    by Joe Plumber

    You're obviously not a Christian.

  • April 24, 2012 4:41 PM CST

    No im not a Christian darth_meh. I DO respect people's Christian values though.

    by Emerald Snoggingbottom

    And that this country is majority Christian.

  • sounds realistic to me.

  • April 24, 2012 4:55 PM CST

    Why sould I feel sorry for GROWN ADULTS who fucked their own lives?

    by Emerald Snoggingbottom

    They made the choices they should life with em. Not my fucking problem big boy.

  • A lot of mis-informed people out there. It's easy to fix the very minor issues there are with SS by, for example, (1) raising the annual cap on SS deductions from paychecks like mine, (2) raising the age from which full benefits can be downloaded.

  • April 24, 2012 5:07 PM CST

    Further, SS is not a retirement plan conservatards.

    by hst666

    It's also disability insurance. If you're in an accident and paralyzed tomorrow, you'll be first in line for your monthly check.

  • I would hate to think that anyone would think of you in that case with fuck him, ain't my problem. How old are you?

  • April 24, 2012 5:28 PM CST

    Who cares

    by Craig2574

    It was a joke. Simpsons make fun of everything for God sake. Also the Buffet rule will not bring in a great deal of funds. Lower the rates and get rid of all loops holes. That will put the crony capitalists and free marketers on even playing fields.

  • April 24, 2012 5:32 PM CST

    hst666 is correct

    by Craig2574

    You are correct hst666. Those are two simple fixes. One fix I want is for people to own the account. They are not allowed to put any of the funds into the stock market but a simple CD or annuity. This would help people leave more funds to loved ones after they die. Like IRA's you are only allowed to put in a certain amount of funds a year and anything over that amount goes into the SS trust fund. The payroll tax has to be made higher and I hate to say it but cover every bit of income (This is if all other tax rates are lowered and deductions are thrown out the window.)

  • April 24, 2012 5:38 PM CST

    re "No coverage of Olbermann v. Gore?"

    by Hercules

    http://www.aintitcool.com/node/54683

  • April 24, 2012 5:44 PM CST

    Mcgootoo or hipshot. Who is the biggest liberal douche out of the two?

    by DanielnocharismaCraig

  • I get the vibe that you disagree with the current two party political system we currently have here in America. Otherwise, you sound more like a central Democrat than anything else, and I'm not saying you are a hypocrite or RINO.

  • April 24, 2012 5:51 PM CST

    oh, please

    by Detached

    Herc loves to claim he's a Republican (if he is, darn few in the GOP think like he does), but always goes out of his way to post drivel like this. Seriously, who cares? Cable news has relatively small audiences? Now there's a real shock!

  • wearing fucking Clown shoes, in complete Clown attire, from off of his Clown Ship, from Planet Clown, in the Clown constellation of the far reaches of Clown space and time etc, where all the race of Uber Clowns just dissown him for Clown shame or serious breach of the Clown Prime Directive (or maybe not, maybe they advocate it, because)... Just... How can anyone take anything he says seriously for a second!? Hes like David Icke, but just a right wing sock puppet melon headed wonder without the wit, charm and insight of satire surrounding his apparant literal beliefs... just a self reflexive twerp underminer of his own kind... I have this (very loose) theory that Fox News is just a front to draw your attention to how ridiculous, infantile, mentally disabled and feckless in ignorant wonder alot of the right wing mindset and lobbying is perceivably in any form ... but it goes way over the top and now its become god damn Chuckle Vision.

  • but I'm mostly liberal minded- I have a friend who is libertarian, who also holds some liberal beliefs. Go figure, huh, guys?

  • Although with open primaries, there may be a rather sinister ulterior motive for that..........................

  • April 24, 2012 8:11 PM CST

    danielnocharismacraig - yup - politics is politics

    by Michael Lunney

  • April 24, 2012 8:33 PM CST

    <3 FOX News

    by David

    I read Mediaite daily and MSNBC is their running weekly joke.

  • April 24, 2012 8:52 PM CST

    good lord red ned...

    by jay2517

    i pointed out exactly WHY the Pew evidence was flawed and YOUR the one ignoring. it IS faulty methodology. plus, they also show who's won AND lost in the primaries. good lord man, practice what u preach!

  • April 24, 2012 8:57 PM CST

    Factcheck.org "unbiased"..?

    by psycros

    AAAHA HA HAH HA HA HA HAA!!! Yeah, just like MSNBS, LOL!!!!!

  • April 24, 2012 8:58 PM CST

    jaredp- no u first...

    by jay2517

    the rich (and EVERYONE else) ALREADY pay their fair share. as i have stated before, maybe u need to champion tax reform. that would be a good thing. the actual problem IS and always WILL be government spending. why cant u idiot progressives understand that??

  • NO BIAS from the *republican* Herc....NOPE!

  • ...that is, until someone he disagrees with angers him or his meds wear off. one weird dude...

  • April 24, 2012 9:03 PM CST

    you're, not your, is what i meant in my response to red ned

    by jay2517

    ahh the lack of edit...

  • April 24, 2012 9:09 PM CST

    Ron Paul is schooling Gingrich in the primaries tonight.

    by Hercules

    Too bad Paul isn't a libertarian when it comes to keeping Big Government out of a woman's vag.

  • April 24, 2012 9:29 PM CST

    Bias

    by dukeroberts

    All news outlets, with the possible exception of C-SPAN are biased. Fox gets bashed all of the time because they are more biased in the other direction; they're different from all of the other major outlets. Why is this a problem that only one goes one way, while everyone else goes the other way? Chill out, Fox haters. Their reportage, not their commentary, but their reportage has been shown in different independent studies to be more even-handed than other major news outlets. Their commentary, just like all of the other outlets, leans to one side. However, Fox always shows opposing viewpoints. If they do not show the opposing viewpoint it's usually because someone with an opposing viewpoint declined to show up. MSNBC rarely includes opposing viewpoints. CNN's "conservative" commentators are usually moderates, like David Gergen. Bob Beckel, a fiery liberal if ever there was one, is a daily presence on Fox. Alan Colmes, who was once a daily presence on Fox, still shows up quite often. Juan Williams, late of NPR, is a regular presence on Fox. Calm down people.

  • ... too bad they wont let children come out of that same vag either. nice, vague talking points there Herc. see, two can play that game...

  • April 24, 2012 10:26 PM CST

    never thought I'd see an AICN talkback arguing about tax code

    by oisin5199

    Things I've learned: tax code is complicated. Oh, and emerald_snoggingbottom is clearly a HUGE douchebag. And I'm soooooo sick of Ron Paul and his delusional supporters. As much as I hated Santorum and loathed Gingrich, Paul was truly the scary one. He seduces people with his anti-war and drug legalization talk, but in reality he wants to do away with civil rights and women's rights, among other things. Ron Paul's America would be a nightmare. So please, Paul supporters, shut up about it. Your wet dream ain't gonna happen. Never had a chance, thankfully.

  • April 25, 2012 1:01 AM CST

    Apparently, geeks and politics don't mix well.

    by MisterManReturns

  • April 25, 2012 1:25 AM CST

    The Lifelong Republican Strikes Again

    by eveelcapitalist

    Too bad Paul isn't a libertarian when it comes to keeping Big Government out of a woman's vag.

  • April 25, 2012 1:49 AM CST

    Re: oisin5199

    by SK229

    Can you point to specific examples of what you're saying about Paul? You may be right, but I do believe that if a Republican gets into the WH, get ready for WW3. A Democrat means only a slightly lesser chance, but still probably a good chance. I just don't see why China and Russia wouldn't get behind Iran and then we're alllll fucked. They've both heavily invested in that country and China could just say they're coming to collect on the bill by just taking over our country. No idea what that would be like, although I'm willing to bet we'd still kick a lot of ass. This country was founded by geniuses and then inundated with psychopaths and the strongest men and women from all over the world (sometimes against their will, as in slavery) with extreme will power and a propensity for violence. Everyone else just talks a good game, but when something is actually at stake for us, we'll scorch the entire planet to protect ourselves and then, like Japan in WW2, they look at us and go, "Holy shit... those fuckers really are crazy."

  • April 25, 2012 8:08 AM CST

    Social Security IS a Ponzi Scheme...

    by tailhook

    On that there is no doubt. The only people disagreeing on that fact are those that do not know what a Ponzi Scheme is. A Ponzi Scheme is any scheme for which the money coming in(new investors) is used to pay guaranteed returns(old investors). Right now you pay into the system, and that money is automatically used to provide a guaranteed return to the retired. The problem comes when you start paying out more than you take in, and then you're in a world of shit. As long as you can continually bring in new investors, the scheme stays solvent. The new money covers the old. But eventually you always run out of new investors and are paying out to too many old investors(i.e. the retired). At that point, you either make modifications or go insolvent and go bust. This is the reason you have people suggesting the retirement age gets raised, benefits get cut, or some mix. They need to curtail the number and amount of people getting paid such that the new money covers the old. But that still doesn't detract that Social Security is a Ponzi Scheme in the purest sense of the word. They are one and the same.

  • April 25, 2012 9:17 AM CST

    Social Security IS NOT a Ponzi Scheme, because SS is not a scheme

    by Joe Plumber

    Everyone knows up front what the deal is with Social Security. A Ponzi Scheme is a 'scheme' where investors are deceived as to the nature of their investment. So, in the "purest sense of the words" SS is not a Ponzi Scheme.

  • A Ponzi scheme is a short-term criminal enterprise. Social Security is a rock-solid social insurance program that protects millions of Americans. Charles Ponzi was a Roaring ’20s Bernie Madoff, a schemer who, until he served prison time in the 1930s, did not pay returns based on commercial ventures, but paid early investors with money from new investors — creating the appearance of astonishing returns. This rascal’s promises were worthless i.o.u.’s. Thus a Ponzi pyramid can usually last only a few months or years, at most. In contrast, Social Security is insurance. Contributors don’t want to get rich quick; they want coverage when they retire and die, and in case they become disabled. Like other insurance, benefits are paid from premiums and returns on trust funds. By law, Social Security inflows and outflows are always balanced with adjustments to benefits and contributions. Social Security has never missed paying a monthly benefit in 71 years. A young worker with a spouse and children has over $200,000 in life insurance from Social Security. Social security pays benefits when people need them the most. It is timely to recall that the terrorist attacks on 9/11 led to $360 million in payments to victims’ survivors. Without Social Security, the 8 percent elderly poverty rate would be nearly 50 percent. Comparison of Social Security to a Ponzi scheme is a shop-worn and distorted metaphor. The economist Hyman Minsky first compared the financial practices of banks to Charles Ponzi when, in good times, they make extremely risky loans based on overly optimistic expectations, whether it’s a real estate loan or a bond deal in a merger or acquisition. Minsky called it Ponzi financing when falsely confident lenders didn’t even demand full interest or minimum payments on principle. In short, a financial system is a "Ponzi" if entities that agree to pay turn out to be weak and default. The only thing that could transform Social Security into a Ponzi scheme would be a scoundrel president and Congress ending the system. Otherwise, Social Security is a pay-as-you-go intergenerational and social insurance program based on a sound public finance model that meets its promises. Current American workers pay premiums for insurance they’ll get when they need it, just as the generations before them received old-age, disability and survivor benefits.

  • I used to work for a newspaper.

  • It's too easy! I got on base first, but you hit it home!

  • It seems all they have is softballs- I actually yearn for a convincing conservative point of view about something - they must have something of substance to offer that would be good for America, instead of the same rhetoric repeated over and over- our country is starved for new ideas and solutions to old problems

  • As far as me, I don't consider myself a Republican. I've voted for Democrats. I'm more a Republican/Social Libertarian. I agree with Republicans on maybe 60%-70% of the issues but rarely agree with national Democrats on anything. However, in paying attention to Herc talking about politics and what he watches and what he ridicules, it's just not believable that he's a Republican. You can register for anything you want.It means nothing. Your hatred of Sarah Palin, Bush, Cheney, Romney, or any Republican you bring up, and your unquestioning support of all things Obama, makes you saying you are a Republican laughable. Just be honest about who you are and what you believe. If you have to lie to yourself, how can I believe anything you say to me won't be a lie?

  • Anyway, still waiting...

  • http://www.kingofbain.com/

  • Just like the asshole teabaggers who cheered at debates, when asked if a person with a fatal illness and no insurance should die.

  • April 25, 2012 11:36 AM CST

    Registeredd republicans....Ive heard that canard before.

    by Emerald Snoggingbottom

    You even get it from some weak in the knees RINO conservatives who say they dont even consider themselvs conservatives in some argumentative gymnastics to prove their actually more socalled flexible in a slippery attempt to get an upperhand on the guy theyre arguing against. Look dont hide behind bullshit. Grow a fuckin pair and admit who and what you are.

  • April 25, 2012 11:37 AM CST

    straight

    by Emerald Snoggingbottom

  • We need a war with Iran and if it goes to Wworld War 3 so be it. Population is gettin g out of control anyway and a huge war might be what it takes to thin out the population and get us back down to a point where individuals and free enterprise can again stake their claim and make the world something again.

  • April 25, 2012 11:42 AM CST

    Bottom line....WW3 is an absolute necessity

    by Emerald Snoggingbottom

    War death and destruction are as much a part of life as creation in any form biological or practical. Lets move the fuck on already and get prepared for a new more honest future that will reward innovators and strenght.

  • April 25, 2012 11:56 AM CST

    emerald, it's obvious you're just trolling now

    by Joe Plumber

    And you ruined emeraldboy's good name in the process.

  • Sorry but it has to happen eventually anyway so why not do it sooner than later.

  • We cant let this shit go anyfurther.

  • April 25, 2012 12:05 PM CST

    mcgoo cant even finish his sentences. And im arguing with ths jackhole?

    by Emerald Snoggingbottom

  • April 25, 2012 12:05 PM CST

    Please someone try to deny that the pop growth on earth is sustainable.

    by Emerald Snoggingbottom

    No one can. Were in bad shape folks. Time to face the problem head on.

  • April 25, 2012 12:20 PM CST

    emerald_snoggingbottom - give it up - no one is buying it from you

    by Michael Lunney

    my last line was too long so it was cut off- it said----and you are just trolling for responses by provoking with over the top nonsense - by all means, though, continue to make conservatives sound weird - you have my blessings

  • April 25, 2012 12:40 PM CST

    jay2517

    by JaredP

    obama paid 30% on $100,000 and romney paid only 15% on $20,000,000. so tell me again how the rich are paying their share

  • April 25, 2012 12:41 PM CST

    Soylent Green IS PEOPLE!! Soylent Green IS PEOPLE!!

    by openthepodbaydoorshal

    Emerald, there's your solution.

  • Instead of calling me a troll mcgoo should try to refute my points but he cant so he resorts to the Godwings Law 2.0, argumentum ad trollum. Know how youre winning a debate on AICN? Have mcgo call you a troll

  • April 25, 2012 12:44 PM CST

    Another eloquent response from a lib. openthepodbay

    by Emerald Snoggingbottom

    Sometimes war is the answer and this is one of those times. Its a bitter truth but hsitory and nature are in my corner on this one bubsy

  • April 25, 2012 12:55 PM CST

    Silence. No rebuttals. Thank you it speaks volumes.

    by Emerald Snoggingbottom

  • April 25, 2012 1:39 PM CST

    Nope. Means I'm at work. Speaks volumes also.

    by openthepodbaydoorshal

  • China has (as of Nov of 2010) approx. 1,339,724,852 people living on a land mass that is 9,596,960 square km. The US has approx. (as of today) 313,428,323 people living on a land mass that is 9,629,091 square km. Thats 1 BILLION more people living on a land mass that is 32,000 square km less that the United States. Unless your point is that China invade US for land mass, what IS your point?

  • April 25, 2012 2:09 PM CST

    Talking about thinning the herd globally poddoorshal. Not just US.

    by Emerald Snoggingbottom

    Sorry try again. If anything youp roved my point.

  • April 25, 2012 2:09 PM CST

    Fits that Dems use donkey as their mascot: they always ASSume

    by Emerald Snoggingbottom

  • April 25, 2012 2:12 PM CST

    The Rich ARE to blame....

    by Will

    Over the past three decades our government has been hijacked by the richest capitalist interests. The republican party has been taken over by Religious and capitalistic extremists. They reduced regulations, allowed wall street to run wild with speculation unchecked, and passed tax cut after tax cut. Then "Satan" himself made every republican sign a "tax pledge" protecting the rich from having all their tax cuts reversed. The republicans oppose public health care, because they are in bed with the insurance companies. The republicans oppose social programs because they keep people's living standards higher, making it harder to keep people's wages low. This is the truth. Whatever moral or social values you think the republican party holds, they don't. If you are not rich, they don't represent you. If you ARE christian they Don't represent you. Here's the facts. Obama is the most Christian President we've had in 50 years. (I'm not Christian BTW) Obama has mentioned God in more speeches than the last 5 presidents, he had the most X-mas trees in the white house, and he has said on multiple occasions that he prays before making any major decisions. Obama is the least liberal democrat we've had in over 50 years. Obama increased drilling permits for oil companies. Obama did NOT attempt to pass a single gun control related bill. Obama said he'd ease up on medial pot growers and then later ordered a record number of raids. As a liberal all these things disappoint me considerably. However, Obama is attempting to do his job, representing the people. And most of the country still love their guns and their Jesus. Don't get me wrong, both parties are corrupt. I don't consider myself a democrat but you have to look at each parties' legislation. The democrats want to raise taxes on the rich only because the rich have been using their influence to corrupt the tax system for years. Why do you think GE paid NO taxes last year? It's not fair to the rest of us who work and pay our fair share of taxes. Why does Mitt Romney only have to pay 14%. Why are capital gains (an income source that can only be utilized by those with affluence) exempt from taxation? Is income from investments more valuable than income earned from hourly labor? I don't think so. The bottom line is we are not trying to punish the Rich for their success. But to ignore the reason for their massive wealth is the biggest sin we can commit as a country. The rich have become richer, at the expense of everyone else. The wealth Gap in this country proves that. The richest 1% have used their influence to bend tax law, deregulate wall street, and even wage Wars for oil. The economic crash of 2008, over 4 trillion in debt from the Iraq War (not to mention 4000 dead Americans), and the ongoing recession are all direct results of this. All we want is to have our government represent the needs of the common American. After all, isn't it FOR THE PEOPLE, BY THE PEOPLE? If you can't see the truth, you are living in "The Bubble."

  • April 25, 2012 2:22 PM CST

    Thanks for proving my point guys!

    by tailhook

    You guys clearly don't know what a Ponzi Scheme is. The closest was Mcgootoo who said the following: "but paid early investors with money from new investors — creating the appearance of astonishing returns" Exactly... the early investors were people who paid into the system in the 50's, 60's, 70's, etc. In return, they appear to get astonishing returns by receiving a static amount back monthly upon reaching retirement age for the rest of their lives. That money is paid to them by new investors(people paying into the system now). When the money going out starts outstripping the money coming in, a Ponzi Scheme goes bust because there is no longer money to pay people with. Then it either must grow(get new investors), cut its outlays, or go bust and be discovered. Keep in mind that most Ponzi Schemes(Madoff's for instance lasted decades) last years upon years before reaching the point where the jig is up. As long as you can keep getting new investors such that the money they provide fuels the expected returns for the old investors, the scheme can grow without issue. But it is a Ponzi Scheme. If Social Security were run by anyone but the USFG, the administrators would have been tossed in the pokey years ago. And trust me, everybody in any form of high office knows Social Security is a Ponzi Scheme. Everyone. Their hope while quickly trying to fix it is they can keep it a solvent Ponzi Scheme such that it doesn't go bust.

  • April 25, 2012 2:37 PM CST

    Except Social Security is not a Ponzi Scheme

    by Will

    Because it was designed to work, and be completely self sustainable. In fact it worked so well that the republicans starting using SS as their personal piggy bank. 15 years later it's broken, humm I wonder why? A Ponzi Scheme is just that, a scheme, not designed to work for anyone except the scheme's creators (More about FDR below). Social Security is a program that has helped millions of retired and disabled Americans. Americans that worked their whole life, paid into the system, and deserve to be taken care of. The Social Security Act was signed by FDR on 8/14/35. FDR wasn't a schemer or a scam artist He was a revolutionary that believed in the system the way it was conceived. If our government had left the SS funds alone the interest alone would have covered half of the current SS payouts and the system would have remained sustainable. Instead our SS retirement funds went into the pockets of the rich in the form of tax breaks. In you can't see the truth you are in the "Bubble."

  • April 25, 2012 2:42 PM CST

    Oh and wikipedia agrees, talihook

    by Will

    With me tha is... "In a Ponzi scheme the fact there is no return generating mechanism beyond just contributions from new entrants is obscured whereas Social Security payouts have always been openly underwritten by incoming tax revenue and the interest on the Treasury bonds held by Social Security. Private sector Ponzi schemes cannot be sustained indefinitely, whereas Social Security's benefits can theoretically always be sustained by raising taxes on new participants and reducing promised payouts."

  • ok done now

  • April 25, 2012 3:22 PM CST

    absolutwill, are you running for office, I want to vote for you

    by Joe Plumber

    I'm assuming "Satan" is Grover Norquist, the Casey Anthony of politics who famously said he wanted to drown the Federal Government in a bathtub like a baby. Which is essentially what the Republicans did by electing someone completely inept and incompetent in George Bush to run the government into the ground who also nearly bankrupted the country.

  • Time will sweep them ALL away. That's what they fear and hate the most. All of these elderly white male conservatives facing the fact that they're completely and utterly out-of-touch with the world and are about to leave it.

  • April 25, 2012 5:20 PM CST

    *sigh* jaredp..

    by jay2517

    obama paid 30% and Romney paid 15%.....SO??? like i have told u lovely progressives BEFORE...fight for TAX REFORM not taking someones money that doesnt belong to u. a million/billionaire's money IS NOT YOURS TO TAKE. leave them alone and fight the real culprit- tax loopholes and GOVERNMENT SPENDING. get a clue man...

  • April 25, 2012 8:57 PM CST

    fucking O'Reilly

    by Jeremy Jar Binks

    I know this has already been mentioned multiple times, but he claimed that nobody knows why or whether the moon causes tides. fucking magnets, amirite?

  • April 25, 2012 9:46 PM CST

    JAY2517-90210

    by I am the Terminator

    DIE!!!!!!

  • April 25, 2012 9:50 PM CST

    most Republicans support the Buffet Rule?!

    by shagdrum

    Where are you getting that? I know the GOP can often put politics over principle, but both the votes in the Senate as well as the basic principles the party claims to subscribe to (including observing economic reality) work against the cynical pandering and posturing that is the Buffet Rule. Class Warfare is just plain unethical. And don't try and go for the lie that Reagan would have supported the Buffet Rule. When Obama (and others on the left) make that claim, they are dissembling, cherry picking and ignoring the full context (including political and historical context) of what Reagan was saying. They employed the same tactic during the debt debates last year. As to you being a "registered republican", your pattern of condescending, one-sided politically oriented blogs here makes your political views clear for all.

  • April 25, 2012 10:00 PM CST

    Oh, and SS is a Ponzi Scheme, wikipedia "proof" aside...

    by shagdrum

    In a Ponzi scheme the fact there is no return generating mechanism beyond just contributions from new entrants is obscured whereas Social Security payouts have always been openly underwritten by incoming tax revenue and the interest on the Treasury bonds held by Social Security. Private sector Ponzi schemes cannot be sustained indefinitely, whereas Social Security's benefits can theoretically always be sustained by raising taxes on new participants and reducing promised payouts.

  • April 25, 2012 10:22 PM CST

    absolutwill

    by shagdrum

    whoever refuses to pay obedience to the general will [greater good]shall be liable to be compelled to it by the force of the whole body. And this is in effect nothing more that that he may be compelled to be free.

  • April 25, 2012 10:26 PM CST

    jay2517

    by JaredP

    your party controls the house, if they really wanted tax reform, WOULDN'T they have done it by NOW? the republicans are all about obstructionism. every time obama tries to do something good for the country they block him. they won't even vote take away oil subsidies, which big oil doesn't need

  • April 26, 2012 6:32 AM CST

    has_snyder_been_fired_from_superman_yet...

    by UltimaRex

    Carly Foulkes. http://tinyurl.com/87c55zf Now she's going to be running around in my brain for a few days. Thanks for that.

  • April 26, 2012 8:30 AM CST

    shagdrum

    by hst666

    Because raising tax revenue (only on people paying less than 30% now) an average of 4.7 billion/year is class warfare, but cutting 300M a year to Planned Parenthood makes fiscal sense. How do you justify Republicans minimizing the effects of these tax increases (which are just designed to ensure the rich pay as high or higher a percentage of their income in taxes than their help do) and arguning to cut spending on programs that will have zero effect on our deficit.

  • But, making millionaires and billionaires pay an equal tax rate is? And as you mentioned, if 4.7 billion is a piss in the bucket that isn't going to help reduce the deficit than how is cutting a program that only costs several million supposed to do anything? These are things to think about and most conservatives don't like to think. They just like to believe their talking points, what their talk radio propagandists tell them to.

  • In other words, the poor fucked up and the rich are success stories, so too bad for the fuck ups and hooray for the succesful ?

  • It's easy to believe that good is good and evil is evil. Not so easy to try and understand what causes someone to become a criminal. It's easy to believe that if you work hard you will be successful. Not so easy to understand that if everyone was an entrepreneur and a business owner that there wouldn't be anyone to do the actual work. It's easy to believe every man for himself. Not so easy to build a community. It's easy to believe racial stereotypes. Not so easy to have a nuanced view of race. It's easy to believe that the government is bad except when it's dropping bombs on brown people. Not so easy to create a functioning government that actually works for the people. It's easy to believe that God made everything. Not so easy to believe in science and the complicated nature of how life evolved.

  • Must be nice. Of course, if everyone was conservative there would be no progress and this country probably would be Mad Max: Thunderdome by now.

  • darth_meh- well said- ironically, it is far easier for me to comprehend the complex liberal mind, and not so eay to comprehend what seems to be the simpler conservative mindset - not to be stereotypical, but to recognize predominant traits of both thought patterns has always been fascinating to me

  • conservatives, on the other hand, are not concerned with trying to understand liberals, only with bashing them. That's part of what makes them such fierce opponents. They are not afraid to fight dirty, collateral damage is ok with them, because the end justifies the means.

  • NEVER! Not once, EVER! And you never will. Not even Ron Paul, the supposed anti-war candidate. He's only concerned with government overreach, not saving lives.

  • April 26, 2012 10:47 AM CST

    I don't want to say most conservatives are heartless, but

    by Joe Plumber

    there's a reason "Bleeding Heart Liberal" is one of their favorite slurs.

  • darth_meh- don't be mistaken, Dems can fight dirty as well, but yeah, it seems that being the winner and always knowing what is best for America, without any sense of compromise for the betterment of all- are their most crippling traits- must have something to do with the whole belief in god thingie... And they don't want a black president - how else can one explain conservative congressmen voting agains legislation they previously supported, but now don't because Obama does?

  • darth_meh - right- protect the rights of the unborn, but once they escape the womb - then its fuck you, you're on your own, your life has no meaning, except as cannon fodder or death penalty for evildoers But if you are born into a rich family, then they love you and will do anything for you to stay rich.

  • April 26, 2012 11:06 AM CST

    End justifies the means; whatever it takes to get rid of Obama

    by Joe Plumber

    Mitch McConnell said that was his only job. Nevermind the fact that nothing gets done for two years in s time when this country could really use some real leadership.

  • Their solution to everything has been MORE TAX CUTS. And even when Barry played along on the austerity/debt reduction issue, they thumbed their nose at him. Is the GOP serious about governing, or are they more or less a Party of Trolls at this point?

  • But instead, more resistance. Just imagine if Obama proposed something like Medicare Part D, which Bush and co. pushed through even though there was clearly no funding mechanism for it. At least ObamaCare includes a framework for funding. And yeah, it means an incremental increase in tax burden for the highest earners.

  • Then blame him for the lack of recovery. And meanwhile, those who are making out the most right now, the big banks, corporations and extremely wealthy are the very ones who are backing Romney. Guess they won't be happy until the tax burden is completely shifted to the working class.

  • April 26, 2012 12:00 PM CST

    Yeah, darth, the idea seems to be:

    by Jethro Bodine

    1. Eradicate spending, except for military expenditures 2. Have the so-called lower classes pay for it 3. Have the so-called lower classes die for it

  • Maybe he's trolling, but I believe he's spouting ideas that provide the foundation for modern conservative thinking. Perhaps, though, he's just being honest since AICN anonymity gives him the proper cover.

  • Both terms are two sides of the same coin. In the middle? The truth that conservatives really don't give a fuck about anyone beyond themselves.

  • As usual the hypocrisy of the conservatives has no limits.

  • No, they just want to control women and keep them pregnant and in the kitchen.

  • darth_meh - right- abortion- horrid - death pernalty- okeedokee - except the death penalty has killede innocent people See, for example The Thin Blue Line - oh well, says the conservative mindset- maybe they should have taken care of themselves better and got a good lawyer, or maybe they shouldn't have been born black? shame on them for getting killed as an innocent person the thought may go

  • ..I must spend way too much time in there.... "Campaigning"

  • I'm engaged to a conservative christian which, believe me, has been an enlightening experience. Getting to know her and her family I soon realized that some people see the world in Black and White, and others see it as "shades of grey" Right and Wrong, alive or not alive, good or bad, those who see the world in black and white must by nature categorize everything into one of these extremes. I am one of those who believes that real life falls between the black and white. People are at times both good and evil, and the answers are not always simple. I strive to live in the grey because that's where I can usually find the truth. This fundamentally different approach to thinking is the core of what divides this country. What I have found particularly interesting over the past 4 years my girl has started to change her way of thinking. She thinks less in extremes and more in the in-betweens. She's starting to see "The shades of grey" On the other hand my fiance' now sometimes becomes upset and annoyed at things her mother says.. As her mother would probably say "I've corrupted her daughter." I'm a bad bad man

  • April 26, 2012 7:57 PM CST

    good GOD, jaredp ur a freaking block of dense....

    by jay2517

    what the fuck does the Republicans having control have to do with my question of me wanting tax reform??? absolutely nothing. ur just a freaking blind partisan hack who will not see anything BUT ur own hatred of anything Republican. typical progressive deflection at its finest. oh yea, if u want to talk *what ifs*, there is NO DOUBT Obama would veto it if it came to that. and, if u want to stay off course of the actual topic of my post, what about the fucking budgets the Democrats have shot down with them not even HAVING one for over 3 fucking years?? if u wanna deflect, we can deflect. oh yea, to ur idiot point, Obama and the Dems had 2 FUCKING YEARS of MAJORITY RULE IN BOTH HOUSES. ill say that again, 2 FUCKING YEARS they controlled BOTH HOUSES and did THEY DID NOTHING on tax reform. dammit, u fucking AICN progressives talk about conservatives living in a bubble, how bout u pop urs first before posting...

  • April 26, 2012 7:57 PM CST

    hey termy....

    by jay2517

    u first asshole....

  • April 26, 2012 8:00 PM CST

    poor poor mcgoo and the *enlightened*....

    by jay2517

    u progressives speak a lot of conservatives having *softball* points or posts yet u close minded ilk only have warning track power...

  • i pity everyone of u.

  • April 27, 2012 12:16 PM CST

    jay2517 really?

    by Will

    There's no deflection here, if I said something that was factually incorrect please correct me. But maybe you didn't understand what I mean by a "Bubble" The bubble keeps facts out, facts like the filibuster. Since Obama took office the filibuster has been used by the GOP in Congress more times than any other in history. Not to mention the fact that it takes 60 VOTES now to pass anything in congress. Pop the bubble and you will see the truth, the GOP decided the day Obama came into office that they were faced with the "No win scenario." So they took a simple tactic, when it comes to Obama JUST SAY NO! Just say no to anything Obama supports, just say NO to compromise, just say NO to Obama. Force Obama's presidency to falter by preventing or seriously compromising any legislation Obama proposes even if doing so hurts the country. Then blame Obama for the lack of progress on the recovery, even though it was the GOP who went out of their way to defeat, undercut, or underfund anything legislation Obama's administration supported. The Consumer Protection Bureau and the Frank Dodd act for example. The GOP knew the country wanted them after the financial collapse. However even after they were passed the GOP spent all its efforts to cut funding and even prevent Obama from appointing someone to be in charge of the CPB. I consider myself a political junkie, not a historian but just check the voting history of this congress and you'll see the aforementioned example to be just one of many. Not to mention the GOP did the same thing to all of Obama's budgets and of course they are on the record saying "No" to any Tax reforms Obama has tried to present. (Including the most recent "Buffet Rule") But saying that during those two years when Obama "controlled BOTH HOUSES and THEY DID NOTHING" Is a simplistic argument that precludes the facts. We deal in facts around here my friend, so I suggest you get yours straight.