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Report: Fox News Has
Oldest Audience Of All!!

Published at: Aug. 10, 2010, 9:21 p.m. CST by hercules

I am – Hercules!! The majority of Fox News viewers not only despise Barack Obama, they also refuse to invest in green bananas, according to new survey results. The “fair and balanced” channel boasts the oldest audience of any channel on TV, with an average age of 65, according to the report. According to the United Nations World Population Prospects report, the average modern human lives to 67. As James Hibberd points out in his Hollywood Reporter story on the matter, Fox News’ audience is older than the audiences for The Hallmark Channel, The Military Channel and The Golf Channel. It also means the majority of Fox News viewers are eligible for that sinister lynchpin of American socialism, Social Security. Competitor MSNBC averages viewers of 59 years of age. Which I guess means the MSNBC viewers will be able to vote in one or two more presidential elections than the Fox News viewers. The youngest fully distributed cable channels are Oxygen, Bravo, VH1 Classic, Travel and TLC, all with audiences averaging 42 years of age. Find all of Hibberd’s story on the matter here.
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  • Aug. 10, 2010, 4:52 p.m. CST

    JAY LENO TO MOVE TO FOX

    by Margot Tenenbaum

    No not really

  • Aug. 10, 2010, 4:52 p.m. CST

    *FOX NEWS

    by Margot Tenenbaum

    Still, just a joke.

  • Aug. 10, 2010, 4:53 p.m. CST

    Fox audiences crap in their pants

    by RPLocke

    during commercials.

  • Aug. 10, 2010, 4:53 p.m. CST

    By the way, that was my first first post.

    by Margot Tenenbaum

    and I've been reading this site since '96.

  • Aug. 10, 2010, 5:01 p.m. CST

    WHY IS THIS HERE????

    by KentBates

    Outside of an absolute hatred for Fox by those that run this site, this has no place on a site like this. We all know that the site owner is liberal, please stop beating us over the head with it. Not everyone thinks like this and wants to hear this crap.

  • Aug. 10, 2010, 5:02 p.m. CST

    haha old people suck

    by palooka_boy

    is anybody honestly surprised?

  • Aug. 10, 2010, 5:03 p.m. CST

    It's here to generate

    by Margot Tenenbaum

    your delicious crybaby tears, Kent.

  • Aug. 10, 2010, 5:05 p.m. CST

    This just in, Old people are conservative...

    by Saen

  • Aug. 10, 2010, 5:05 p.m. CST

    I keep them in a big jar next to my bed

    by Margot Tenenbaum

    just like in the John Waters classic, coincidentally named after KentBates, Cry-Baby.

  • Aug. 10, 2010, 5:10 p.m. CST

    Hercules...

    by ccchhhrrriiisssm

    Please don't be a JACKASS! Why do you have to infuse your leftist political views with your pathetic articles about television? It sounds like you are RANTING. <p>Give it a rest, my friend. </p>

  • Aug. 10, 2010, 5:13 p.m. CST

    Slow news day Herc?

    by FlandersBum

    Wow, I'm sure you'll be nominated for a webby or pulitzer for this hard hitting, incredibly insightful and interesting story. Or something.....

  • Aug. 10, 2010, 5:14 p.m. CST

    Damn, I don't fit the "old" definition...

    by ccchhhrrriiisssm

    ...but I trust some of the pundits at Fox News more than the moronic fanatics at MSNBC. <p> Besides, YOU are old, Hercules, compared to people like me. What are you, 30? 35? There are plenty of 20-something guys and girls like me who don't fit your "stereotyping" of conservatives. </p> Geez.

  • Aug. 10, 2010, 5:15 p.m. CST

    CONSERVATIVES ASSEMBLE!!!!!!!

    by KentBates

    To the people who just posted, thanks for having my back.

  • Aug. 10, 2010, 5:18 p.m. CST

    yaaay

    by Marinox

    from one liberalist fag to another, well done herc. i know joseph goebbles spirit lives on at fox news and some people get upset when you tarnish his legacy. now where's my gun and religion all this tolerance has made me want to cling to something.

  • Aug. 10, 2010, 5:19 p.m. CST

    IN OTHER NEWS...

    by ccchhhrrriiisssm

    Matthews here. Barack Obama had a bowel movement described as "strenuous." <p>White House spokesman Robert Gibbs stated that the President is recuperating well and has insisted that the problem stems from the fruit and vegetable policies of the Bush Administration.</p><p>President Obama later issued a statement from the golf course that this experience has allowed him to feel more comradeship with homosexual men, and also revealed that his 2012 reelection campaign slogan will be "IT'S NOT MY FAULT!"</p> Back to you, Hercules!

  • Aug. 10, 2010, 5:21 p.m. CST

    I LOVE dittohead whining in the morning!

    by ebonic_plague

    Or the afternoon. <p> Statistics? Why do you hate 'murka, Herc? <p> Let rain the scumbag tears, they're delicious.

  • Aug. 10, 2010, 5:21 p.m. CST

    Earth to AICN

    by scors54

    The average lifespan in the US is 75-80. The 50+ demographic is the single largest voting bloc in the US--and growing. The worst? 18-24 (only about 17% even vote). Joke all you want, but, for better or worse, that bloc ain't going anyhwere for a LONG time, kiddies.<p> Unless of course, the "metal ones" come for them all...

  • Aug. 10, 2010, 5:22 p.m. CST

    Marinox...

    by ccchhhrrriiisssm

    Goebbles? <p>I think that he would have been hired by the Obama Administration to help counter some of the Stalinist stalwarts who continue to bring Obama's approval rating to record lows. </p>

  • Aug. 10, 2010, 5:22 p.m. CST

    How are facts being liberal

    by shutupfanboy

    It amazes me anytime, something political happens, we have a bunch of neo-cons jump out and scream liberal biased. Its sad, really.

  • Aug. 10, 2010, 5:26 p.m. CST

    FACTS?!? Liberals are 18% of the population...

    by ccchhhrrriiisssm

    ...who try to FORCE their fanatical social and economic views on the other 82% of us!

  • Aug. 10, 2010, 5:27 p.m. CST

    Thats because Fox News is number 1

    by HermesTrismestigus

    Old folks are the chief watchers of news and complaining about body aches... they also are the key demographic for the weather channel. So since CNN & MSNBC and all the other news organizations trail fox it just makes sense..now why this is cool news I don't know..unless your always looking for something to make yourself feel better about you political positions.

  • Aug. 10, 2010, 5:28 p.m. CST

    And the whitest and the dumbest.

    by fiester

    Fox is the red meat for the white power crowd.

  • Aug. 10, 2010, 5:28 p.m. CST

    Shutupfanboy

    by KentBates

    It's not the facts I'm disputing. The article is obviously here to make fun of Fox watchers, which some of us are. It's never a good idea to laugh at certain site visitors, which AICN seems to do in abundance. I can be conservative and dig on the Avengers as well.

  • Aug. 10, 2010, 5:30 p.m. CST

    FACTS?!? 12% of liberals are fans of 'Sky Captain

    by Margot Tenenbaum

    and the World of Tomorrow'. 28% of Conservatives believe that Brian Jones was murdered by Kurt Cobain. 16% of Anarcho-Syndicalists prefer Alexandra Paul to Pamela Naderson. <p>YOU CAN'T ARGUE WITH FACTS I WON'T ALLOW IT.

  • Aug. 10, 2010, 5:31 p.m. CST

    Pamela Naderson=Pamela Anderson's cousin from Minnesota

    by Margot Tenenbaum

    Ya hey.

  • Aug. 10, 2010, 5:31 p.m. CST

    Old people are too lazy to turn the channel

    by RPLocke

    Fox news is easy to sleep too.

  • Aug. 10, 2010, 5:32 p.m. CST

    In other news...

    by gotilk

    Experts now agree, water wet!!

  • Aug. 10, 2010, 5:34 p.m. CST

    Dunno why Herc likes creating division here on these boards

    by FlandersBum

    Ah well, might as well get everyone all riled up even more, right? Country is more divided now than it's ever been. So much for Obama bringing the country together.....

  • Aug. 10, 2010, 5:34 p.m. CST

    I'll tell you what the problem is with these people

    by gotilk

    .. they think there's a difference between liberals and conservatives.. and there isn't. Except that people who say that have fewer active brain cells than a fruit fly.

  • Aug. 10, 2010, 5:38 p.m. CST

    what a shock!!!

    by JaredP

    NOT!!!!! i mean all you have to do is look at the stories they do illegal immigration and how the government is trying to take everyones rights away who would bel ieve that more than old people?

  • Aug. 10, 2010, 5:41 p.m. CST

    Damn old people

    by redshirt

    Damn all those old white people who are rich and selfishly don't want to give 55% of their estate back to Obama when they die. They are all racist. I know it to be true because they watch fox news. And fox news is evil and should be banned from the air. there should only be fair people on TV like Olbermann and Schultz. I am all in favor of free speech, we just have to make sure it is correct. Diversity rules! (except for diversity of thought, that is...)

  • Aug. 10, 2010, 5:42 p.m. CST

    What a coincidence - old people also tend to be bigots!

    by nostairway

    The funny thing is that there are people who try to tell me that Fox news is a real news channel. They honestly don't understand what they're watching. Here's the truth folks: Conservatives who are actually in the news business get their news from CNN. I know this because I work with them all day long. They'll still watch FOX, but they know that it's not to be taken seriously as a news agency.

  • Aug. 10, 2010, 5:42 p.m. CST

    Sure....

    by KentBates

    No one else but Fox is talking about what's happening in Arizona with illegal immigration....right?

  • Aug. 10, 2010, 5:45 p.m. CST

    Report!

    by FrenchBastard03

    Herc is a liberal who uses his soapbox of a small TV column of a scrappy movie website to spout his politically ignorant rants! gotik is right. There is no difference between libs and cons. The only difference is conservatives are honest with themselves and their materialistic/capitalistic/ selfish and self serving ways. They know they like money, and want to keep their own money they make by their own hard work. Meanwhile liberals are all about helping the "poor man" while they spend thousands of dollars on Macbooks and iPhones, and Hollywood liberals and the millions they spend on countless sports cars and multimillion dollar mansions. If they were true liberals, they'd take all that money and feed the millions that are starving in this world. But they're not, they're worse than liberals, they're hypocrites.

  • Aug. 10, 2010, 5:46 p.m. CST

    GOD I'm covered in salty old people tears

    by Margot Tenenbaum

    SO DELICIOUS MORE I AM THE SALT VAMPIRE FROM STAR TREK AND YOU ARE ONLY MAKING ME STRONGER

  • Aug. 10, 2010, 5:46 p.m. CST

    What is "OLD?"

    by ccchhhrrriiisssm

    I think that 35 yrs old is pretty damn old. <p>For all of the propaganda and complaints about Fox News, most people realize that CNN and MSNBC are propaganda news agencies. </p> Instead of complaining, most people just ignore them. Their pathetic ratings reflect this.

  • Aug. 10, 2010, 5:46 p.m. CST

    FrenchBastard03

    by KentBates

    As a conservative, I gotta say that's pretty spot on.

  • Aug. 10, 2010, 5:47 p.m. CST

    ebonic_plague

    by A G

    You sound like a total dumbass. Just sayin'.

  • Aug. 10, 2010, 5:48 p.m. CST

    Progressives vs Regressives...

    by DickBallsworth

    The conservative ideology (ain't nothing broke, so why try to fix it?) is what's keeping this country fat, lazy and stupid. Liberals and Progressives are trying to make the world a better place for EVERYONE, not just the white upper class racist sexist homophobic theologians. So to all you Conservatives who think that social responsibility and progress are "destroying this great country", sit the fuck down and shut the fuck up. I guarantee you'll thank us later.

  • Aug. 10, 2010, 5:49 p.m. CST

    Let conservatives keep their estates intact after thay die

    by Margot Tenenbaum

    so their heirs can by MacBooks and iPhones and turn into Liberal hipsters

  • Aug. 10, 2010, 5:50 p.m. CST

    *they/*buy

    by Margot Tenenbaum

    typing fingers are slick from delicious tear coverage

  • Aug. 10, 2010, 5:53 p.m. CST

    FOX NEWS is the only news channel

    by DioxholsterReturns

    i dont acknowledge any other for they are pure shit. It got Glenn Beck and Bill O'Reilly and Megan Kelly. I even like that one ugly blonde they got. I think the hot ones right now are Megan kelly and Jenna Lee.

  • Aug. 10, 2010, 5:56 p.m. CST

    DickBallsworth...

    by ccchhhrrriiisssm

    Liberals (18% of the country) always think that EVERYTHING IS BROKEN...so they come up with new and innovative ways to make the other 82% of the nation (*hard-working people) PAY for their social and economic solutions.

  • Aug. 10, 2010, 6 p.m. CST

    Theveryfirst has issues with his masculinity

    by Margot Tenenbaum

    pussies pussy-ass cunts pricks fucking beat off fuck ponce pussy-ass queer <p>I'll buy you some Viagra for your 65th Birthday next month, TVF

  • Aug. 10, 2010, 6:07 p.m. CST

    GLENN BECK SMELLS LIKE A LOCKER

    by RPLocke

  • Aug. 10, 2010, 6:09 p.m. CST

    Devastated

    by Margot Tenenbaum

    robert pattinson body pillow here i come

  • Aug. 10, 2010, 6:09 p.m. CST

    A G

    by ebonic_plague

    You ARE a total dumbass. Just sayin'.

  • Aug. 10, 2010, 6:10 p.m. CST

    this hip generation suck hard but not as hard as the baby boom o

    by DioxholsterReturns

    today kids want to legalize weed, think Bush should be prosecuted, sextying, facebookaholics, Apple whores, etc

  • Aug. 10, 2010, 6:11 p.m. CST

    by ebonic_plague

  • Aug. 10, 2010, 6:12 p.m. CST

    Everyone here is a dumbass.

    by ebonic_plague

    By virtue of posting to AICN. The only reason to come to AICN anymore is to troll. Even Herc knows this.

  • Aug. 10, 2010, 6:14 p.m. CST

    its hard to take O'Reilly seriously

    by Bouncy X

    he used to work for Extra back when it was just a 100% entertainment news ET clone. that be like Mary Hart going over to CNN or something. kinda hard to take anything they do or say seriously.

  • Aug. 10, 2010, 6:16 p.m. CST

    Wasn't Olbermann a sportscaster at one point?

    by KentBates

  • Aug. 10, 2010, 6:18 p.m. CST

    This is a reason why I hate paying for cable

    by RPLocke

    I get 100 stations talking about Obama for 24 hours. Who cares?

  • Aug. 10, 2010, 6:21 p.m. CST

    RPLocke is definitely lockesbrokenleg

    by ebonic_plague

    Noone can be so tragically and consistently underwhelmed by all of creation like good ol' lockes. NOONE.

  • Aug. 10, 2010, 6:22 p.m. CST

    Bouncy X...

    by ccchhhrrriiisssm

    Bill O'Reilly graduated from Marist College, Boston University and Harvard University (with a MPA in Public Administration from the JFK School of Government). He is a little more educated than Mary Hart.

  • Aug. 10, 2010, 6:29 p.m. CST

    ebonic_plague

    by RPLocke

    Are you drunk again? Your mother says hi.

  • Aug. 10, 2010, 6:29 p.m. CST

    Marist sucks

    by nostairway

    It's most well known for its enormous STD rates. And O'Reilly got into Harvard when he was already famous so that doesn't count.

  • Aug. 10, 2010, 6:30 p.m. CST

    Bill must hide his education well then

    by Bouncy X

    worked for Extra and now Fox? hmmmmm. :P

  • Aug. 10, 2010, 6:37 p.m. CST

    Effective trolling technique, lockes.

    by ebonic_plague

    Feign retardation by way of incredibly lame comeback, shaming me into regretting my attempt to troll a disabled person. <p> I hope you're just feigning, anyway... if not I'm actually going to feel bad. Say hi to your caretaker for me.

  • Aug. 10, 2010, 6:39 p.m. CST

    ebonic_plague watches FOX and Jay Leno!!

    by RPLocke

  • Aug. 10, 2010, 6:42 p.m. CST

    "DAMN OBAMA, GET OFF MY LAWN!!!!"

    by MrMysteryGuest

  • Aug. 10, 2010, 6:44 p.m. CST

    kentbates

    by sharpie

    I wouldnt get started on Olbermann's past jobs http://tinyurl.com/cnc3d6

  • Aug. 10, 2010, 6:47 p.m. CST

    Sharpie

    by KentBates

    Yep, I guess we all gotta start somewhere, even Olbermann.

  • Aug. 10, 2010, 6:47 p.m. CST

    OK, I apologize, lockes...

    by ebonic_plague

    ...and that was a very good comeback! You're quite a capable young man. I think it's horrible they used to sterilize people like you, just because you have unique life challenges. You should talk to jjjjjjjiiiisssssmm, you guys have a lot in common, I bet he'd enjoy having a friend too.

  • Aug. 10, 2010, 6:55 p.m. CST

    ...

    by ebonic_plague

    OK, that crossed a line. I'm sorry. I should not have compared developmentally disabled people to someone like jjjjjjiiiiissssmmm, that is beyond the pale, even for AICN. From my experience, disabled people tend to be some of the kindest, friendliest, most genuinely decent people on the planet. I'm sorry if I offended anyone by even jokingly insinuating such folks had anything in common with a vile piece of shit like jjjjjjjjiiiissssmm. <p> I'm serious.

  • Aug. 10, 2010, 6:57 p.m. CST

    That has to be wrong

    by paulloch

    It's gotta be closer to 80. Did they wake some of them from their 10 hr nap? Did some of them not hear the question right (hard of hearing, and dead batteries in hearing aids)? Actually the avg age of an american is 45 (40 if you count illegals). We're just getting older, and the young people don't care about the news like we used to. That's the sad truth about those numbers.

  • Aug. 10, 2010, 6:57 p.m. CST

    Oh wow, I love it when AICN talkbackers come

    by RPLocke

    up with funny routines. It never gets old.

  • Aug. 10, 2010, 6:57 p.m. CST

    Arm the gays, illegals and liberals

    by Dataset

    Liberals will always be right, as seen from fifty years in the future, but they will always loose in the present because they are pacifists and intellectuals. In the majority of 20th century genocide they were the first to go. Imagine a world of bumper sticker slogans like "I suck dick and I'm armed." "Abolish Private Schools", "Human Rights OR ELSE" or even "Fuck Your Constitution, Religion and Flag, I'm a human being."

  • Aug. 10, 2010, 6:59 p.m. CST

    nostairway...

    by ccchhhrrriiisssm

    Where did you go to school? I don't think that you have the right to say that Marist and Boston U suck...when you probably haven't been to those campuses...and you might have only attended a local community college.

  • Aug. 10, 2010, 7 p.m. CST

    ebonic_plague...

    by ccchhhrrriiisssm

    "A vile piece of shit?" Wow -- your hate is become, uh, more juvenile in your old age.

  • Aug. 10, 2010, 7:04 p.m. CST

    Fox News also has least amount of black viewers!

    by D.Vader

    SURPRISE!

  • Aug. 10, 2010, 7:05 p.m. CST

    "refuse to invest in green bananas"

    by D.Vader

    HAH! My great-uncle told me that last summer. I thought it was hilarious. I'd never heard that joke before, or since, until tonight.

  • Aug. 10, 2010, 7:06 p.m. CST

    Hercules is not Leftist.

    by hst666

    Just because he is not a right wing nut does not mean he is Leftist.

  • Aug. 10, 2010, 7:06 p.m. CST

    D. Vader...

    by ccchhhrrriiisssm

    I am black and I sometimes watch Fox News. But, to be statistically honest, not many African Americans actually watch the news at all to begin with. This is a sad statistic that needs to change.

  • Aug. 10, 2010, 7:07 p.m. CST

    wow aicn...

    by yourSTEPDADDY

    way to start a article for the only purpose of creating a war within the tbs between people who support evil men or people who support nutless men... way to go... hows the reviewin movies business going Harry?

  • Aug. 10, 2010, 7:11 p.m. CST

    ccchhhrrriiisssm if USA is 82% conservative who voted for Obama

    by Hey_Kobe_Tell_Me_How_My_Ass_Tastes

    Sumbody got some 'splaining to do!

  • Aug. 10, 2010, 7:18 p.m. CST

    ccchhhrrriiisssm - I would not brag about getting news from TV

    by Hey_Kobe_Tell_Me_How_My_Ass_Tastes

    You do not get any in depth under standing about issues, mostly fluff and nonsense and who killed who or who is fucking whom. So, yeah I think you might want to take that little insult (and you know it was) at Blacks back.

  • Aug. 10, 2010, 7:19 p.m. CST

    >1%...

    by Red Ned Lynch

    of total television viewers watch MSNBC. <p> >1% watch Fox. <p> < of > than 1% watch Fox than MSNBC. <p> Win?

  • Aug. 10, 2010, 7:21 p.m. CST

    yourstepdaddy....

    by Red Ned Lynch

    ...that's why. Can't keep posting things about that 12 minute outtake from Lost forever.

  • Aug. 10, 2010, 7:21 p.m. CST

    I grew up right down the road from Poughkeepsie and lived in Bos

    by nostairway

    I know both schools well thnk you very much. And I never said BU was a bad school, it's not. And I have a Masters from the school right down the road from BU. (Yes, that one.)

  • Aug. 10, 2010, 7:23 p.m. CST

    Hey_Kobe_Tell_Me_How_My_Ass_Tastes...

    by ccchhhrrriiisssm

    18% of the country identifies themselves as LIBERAL. The other 82% of the country identifies themselves equally as MODERATE (41%) and CONSERVATIVE (41%). Obama managed, with the help of a bad Bush Administration, to attract just over 52% of the vote. <p>Now, Obama won 52% of the vote when his approval rating was at 74%. His approval rating has dropped to 41% -- and falling. </p> It doesn't take a mathematician to understand that things don't look good for Obama...and that his popularity amongst MODERATES has been greatly diminished.

  • Aug. 10, 2010, 7:25 p.m. CST

    DUH.

    by RobertoInfiniteTHEMoonLander

    That is all.

  • Aug. 10, 2010, 7:26 p.m. CST

    Hey_Kobe_Tell_Me_How_My_Ass_Tastes...

    by ccchhhrrriiisssm

    I don't watch Fox News very much. I actually HAVE a job and I am still completing my dissertation. However, I read quite a bit (newspapers, magazines, and online sources). I read and watch "news" sources from ALL sides of the political spectrum.

  • Aug. 10, 2010, 7:26 p.m. CST

    Hilarious

    by Thunderbolt Ross

    Average human lives to 67 ... Hilarious. I get, it homie

  • Aug. 10, 2010, 7:28 p.m. CST

    ccchhhrrriiisssm - Remember Reagan? His mid terms poll was awful

    by Hey_Kobe_Tell_Me_How_My_Ass_Tastes

    From a 67 percent to 18 percent margin of approval in April 1981, soon after he survived an assassination attempt, Reagan went through a period from March, 1982 through April, 1983, when his approval and disapproval were just about even. That, of course, was during the steep depression which preceded the long period of economic expansion that occurred during much of the 1980s. By Election Day, 1984, Reagan’s popularity had rebounded to 58 percent, enough to carry 49 states, but by March of 1987, Iran-Contra had reduced it once again to a virtually even split between approval and disapproval. As late as November 1987, only 45 percent of Americans approved of Reagan’s handling of his job, while 44 percent disapproved. It was at this time polls showed more Americans, given a choice between a Republican and Democratic President, picked the Democrat.

  • Aug. 10, 2010, 7:29 p.m. CST

    Latest Gallup poll...

    by Red Ned Lynch

    ...shows that Obama's approval rating among conservatives is currently at 24%. That is up from the 20% positive at the time of the last election. <p> His approval among moderates at the time of the election was 60%. It is currently 54%. <p> His approval among liberals at the time of the election was 89%. It is currently 74%. <p> Tells you rather more than you'd like to know, doesn't it?

  • Aug. 10, 2010, 7:30 p.m. CST

    Love when Herc gets political...

    by VitaminZ

    ...reminds me of the douche bag college freshmen who, like, totally know how the world works because of what their professors taught them that first semester. But it's adorable that he thought this would make an insightful post.

  • Aug. 10, 2010, 7:31 p.m. CST

    vitaminz...

    by Red Ned Lynch

    ...he thought it would get a lot of posts. <p> It will.

  • Aug. 10, 2010, 7:35 p.m. CST

    Right on Red

    by Hey_Kobe_Tell_Me_How_My_Ass_Tastes

    Dog days of August around here, need something to spark posts and troll fights

  • Aug. 10, 2010, 7:37 p.m. CST

    Now of course...

    by Red Ned Lynch

    ..among the liberals where Obama has taken his real hit, it's not like you're going to see them out voting for Palin or Gingrich or even Romney. But you may see them stay home, or vote but not contribute, which would be almost as bad. And Robert Gibbs certainly didn't help that today. When you throw in Obama toeing the conservative business line on everything from Wall Street regulation to climate change it sort of makes sense that the only place where his positives have increased is among conservatives.

  • Aug. 10, 2010, 7:38 p.m. CST

    Hey Hey Kobe!

    by Red Ned Lynch

    I never get tired of that!

  • Aug. 10, 2010, 7:41 p.m. CST

    Just don't call me Fat but phat would be cool!

    by Hey_Kobe_Tell_Me_How_My_Ass_Tastes

    Gonna have a good time!

  • Aug. 10, 2010, 7:48 p.m. CST

    I'm guessing Cartoon Networks audiences are

    by RPLocke

    hip teens?

  • Aug. 10, 2010, 7:53 p.m. CST

    Hey_Kobe_Tell_Me_How_My_Ass_Tastes...

    by ccchhhrrriiisssm

    That is somewhat true. However, NO PRESIDENT IN HISTORY has ever dropped so in approval rating so quickly after inauguration. <p>In addition, no president has ever been reelected who had his approval rating drop 25+% from his approval rating at his previous election.</p> <p>Moreover, the polls are showing that Obama is losing support ACROSS THE POLITICAL SPECTRUM.</p> <p> However, his approval rating amongst MODERATES is suffering the most. Those moderates have also identified that they have lost faith in Obama's promises. They have also stated that they are tired of the BLAME BUSH rhetoric coming from the current Administration TWO YEARS after his election. </p>Like I said, "IT'S NOT MY FAULT!" is a poor campaign slogan.

  • Aug. 10, 2010, 7:55 p.m. CST

    chrism....

    by Red Ned Lynch

    ...see the most recent Gallup Poll above. Check it out on-line.

  • Aug. 10, 2010, 7:55 p.m. CST

    There is no Math in this dojo

    by shutupfanboy

    Sorry, to rip-off Cobra, but the percentage thing was just so stupid.

  • Aug. 10, 2010, 7:57 p.m. CST

    BTW...

    by ccchhhrrriiisssm

    Obama's approval rating currently sits at 41%. <p> If he only won 52% of the vote when his approval rating was in the mid-70s, his chances look bleak when they are poised to fall below 40%. </p>

  • Aug. 10, 2010, 7:57 p.m. CST

    wait, fox news is a different channel?

    by punto

    "fox" and "fox news" are different channels? because the other day herc was listing a bunch of shows I watch (I think it was house, bones, fringe, glee) and they were all on fox too.. I was kinda surprised

  • Aug. 10, 2010, 8:01 p.m. CST

    ccchhhrrriiisssm - Obama has defied odds his entire career

    by Hey_Kobe_Tell_Me_How_My_Ass_Tastes

    Count him out at your peril. Conservatives back slapping one another thinking they have whitehouse sewn up - they forget their recent Clintonian history. The truth is the problems we are facing did start with Bush, so while some think it is not a good strategy to blame Bush, what does Obama have to lose by doing so at mid terms? Now if that is the strategy in two years, then...there will be...trouble.

  • Aug. 10, 2010, 8:03 p.m. CST

    Hi Red Ned...

    by ccchhhrrriiisssm

    Thanks. I like Gallup (and I am a subscriber). However, I think that Rasmussen has proven itself more accurate. <p>Regardless, I haunt PollingReport.com, Politico and RealClearPolitics.com quite a bit.</p>

  • Aug. 10, 2010, 8:04 p.m. CST

    What's the fucking point of this, Hercules?

    by Badger23

    Schmuck.

  • Aug. 10, 2010, 8:05 p.m. CST

    chrism....

    by Red Ned Lynch

    ...just out of curiosity, where are you getting the 41% number from. Even bought and paid for Republican Rasmussen has him at 44% as of today based on their rolling three day. Gallup, which in the last two presidential cycles has also trended Republican, produced the numbers I cited above.

  • Aug. 10, 2010, 8:06 p.m. CST

    The choice is shameless or spineless?

    by Billyeveryteen

    Guess I'm stuck with the spineless...

  • Aug. 10, 2010, 8:06 p.m. CST

    LOL, under 45's don't watch the news!

    by GeorgieBoy

    They're too busy filling their heads with vacuous non-sense from Lady Gaga, Paris Hilton, Lindsay Lohan, Justin Beaver, and Snookie... And until they get a real job, they think that taking money from other people is a good idea: Until they're the ones having their money taken!

  • Aug. 10, 2010, 8:08 p.m. CST

    Hey_Kobe_Tell_Me_How_My_Ass_Tast es...

    by ccchhhrrriiisssm

    What career are you talking about? <p>Obama's resume is quite THIN. He hasn't accomplished anything in Congress or the Illinois State Legislature.</p><p> His work as a "community organizer" (*cough cough) comprised of hanging out with a racist minister (Audacious Reverend "God Damn America" Jeremiah Wright) and a radical left wing terrorist (Bill Ayers).</p> The only hope that Obama has is a miraculous turn around in the economy to the point that unemployment will return to Bush-era record lows. Unfortunately for us, Obama's liberal "tax and spend" redistribution of wealth economic policies aren't helping the economy. You can only "bail out" companies by throwing BILLIONS OF $$$ of our money to them for so long before we wake up and realize that all of those jobs that Obama "saved" is a lie -- since unemployment continued to rise for nearly two years and nearly $1.2 Trillion later.

  • Aug. 10, 2010, 8:08 p.m. CST

    I watched more news...

    by Red Ned Lynch

    ...when I was younger. Age has brought a level of disappointment that makes paying attention increasingly painful.

  • Aug. 10, 2010, 8:10 p.m. CST

    Red Ned Lynch...

    by ccchhhrrriiisssm

    Gallups WEEKLY poll had him at 41%. His daily poll changes...every day. Rasmussen had Obama at 41% a few days ago. <p> Now, Rasmussen (even if you want to dishonestly call it a "Republican" company) was the most accurate in the last four presidential and the last eight congressional elections.</p>

  • Aug. 10, 2010, 8:12 p.m. CST

    Well, the TARP...

    by Red Ned Lynch

    ...belongs to Bush and a Republican congress. But I'll agree with you, Chrism, that Obama has been pulled into deep blue dog territory and his policies have strayed very little from the corporate welfare championed by the Republican party. <p> No negotiating with drug companies by Medicare. <p> No meaningful regulation of the financial sector that Reagan, Bush, Clinton and Bush freed to feed on the American people. <p> No real movement on climate change or green technology. Maybe he's hoping that in another few years all our potential enemies in China, Russia and the Middle East will have died from heat and flood.

  • Aug. 10, 2010, 8:13 p.m. CST

    ccchhhrrriiisssm - dude, he is POTUS!

    by Hey_Kobe_Tell_Me_How_My_Ass_Tastes

    That community organizer did pretty damn good -can't really insult him with that label anymore dude.

  • Aug. 10, 2010, 8:15 p.m. CST

    ccchhhrrriiisssm

    by BadMrWonka

    really, your misuse of these numbers is alarmingly bad.<p> as is usually the case with a member of a losing party (as you were in 2008), you grab whatever statistic makes your candidate look better (or the winning candidate look worse). in this case, it's the popular vote.<p> the problem is how utterly misleading that percentage is, in terms of the actual structure of presidential elections. Obama only won 53% of the popular vote, but he won 365 electoral votes. that is almost DOUBLE the amount McCain won. by comparison, Bush won reelection in 2004 with only a couple percent less in the popular vote, but only won 286 electoral votes.<p> Obama won every section of the country by double digits (in electoral votes) except for the deep south, which McCain won.<p> Obama's popularity in states with huge numbers of electoral votes hasn't changed NEARLY as much as in other states. the electoral map will be different in 2012, and Obama certainly won't get as many electoral votes, but for things to chift enough for him to lose would take a much bigger drop in his polling numbers than has actually happened. the fact that a bunch of people who said in a poll they supported him (and then didn't vote for him), and then said in a later poll that they still supported him (still never having voted for him) are now saying in similar polls that they don't support him (and probably won't vote for him) doesn't change much. votes are votes. polling numbers are polling numbers. <p>oh, I could butcher numbers as well, if I didn't care how incorrectly I was interpreting them...watch this: "Obama received more votes than any president in our country's history." it's perfectly true, and it sounds GREAT! unfortunately, it's meaningless, isn't it? who got the second highest votes in history? McCain. voter turnout was high, our population keeps going up, so of course the winner of the latest election will have received the most votes ever.<p>my point is, regurgitating a few numbers and misinterpreting their meaning and potential impact, is, in my opinion, a symptom of watching too much Fox News. I recommend some chicken soup and Comedy Central for 2 weeks.

  • Aug. 10, 2010, 8:17 p.m. CST

    I MUST be out of touch..

    by Charger

    if this is what is considered cool news these day.

  • Aug. 10, 2010, 8:17 p.m. CST

    Hey_Kobe_Tell_Me_How_My_Ass_Tast es...

    by ccchhhrrriiisssm

    You wrote: "dude, he is POTUS!" <p>...but not for long. Something tells me that he needs a little more experience organizing communities before he tries to reorganize the United States of America. </p> Apparently, a majority of Americans agree.

  • Aug. 10, 2010, 8:19 p.m. CST

    Wonka, dude, preach

    by Hey_Kobe_Tell_Me_How_My_Ass_Tastes

    Good shit dude

  • Aug. 10, 2010, 8:20 p.m. CST

    Chrism...

    by Red Ned Lynch

    ...well, you know that's something a lot of conservatives like to say. But for every source that you can find claiming that about Rasmussen I can find a couple that say the distinction belongs to Survey USA, Mason Dixon, or Field Poll. And in fact, in what is considered the benchmark study of polling, a review of 4,700 polls for presidential and congressional elections since 1998 placed Rasmussen in 15th place in terms of overall accuracy.

  • Aug. 10, 2010, 8:22 p.m. CST

    Hey, at least it keeps them away from MTV.

    by cinemixtape.com

    It's more than we can say for most age groups.

  • Aug. 10, 2010, 8:23 p.m. CST

    BadMrWonka...

    by ccchhhrrriiisssm

    Ummm...no. <p>I am comparing and contrasting APPROVAL RATINGS and POPULAR VOTE. </p> <p> As for the Electoral College, traditional Blue States are poised to LOSE approximately 11-13 votes by the next presidential election. Why? There has been an exodus from high tax states to low tax states (which tend to be conservatively "red"). </p> <p>Politico recently ran a map that showed Obama's popularity in each state (from January 2010 levels)...and how many electoral votes that he would win via the probable Electoral distribution in 2012. Obama was poised to win 254 votes -- and you need 270 to win the White House. </p> Since Obama's approval ratings have dropped another 8% since January, things look even worse.

  • Aug. 10, 2010, 8:25 p.m. CST

    I'M SO ANGRY!!!

    by Ribbons

    Here's a link to recent polls showing how angry I am! <br> <br> www.ribbonsblog.com/fuckyouall

  • Aug. 10, 2010, 8:27 p.m. CST

    Shit, I don't who to believe now

    by Hey_Kobe_Tell_Me_How_My_Ass_Tastes

    oh, well if palin flashes some tits I'm voting for her!

  • Aug. 10, 2010, 8:30 p.m. CST

    Red Ned Lynch...

    by ccchhhrrriiisssm

    Politico and RealClearPolitics -- both non-partisan news agencies -- consider Rasmussen the most accurate pollster of the last two major elections. <p>SurveyUSA and Mason Dixon are HORRIBLY INACCURATE and decidedly liberal. </p> If you don't believe me, purchase a pro subscription at PollingReport and review their polls just before the last two presidential elections.

  • Aug. 10, 2010, 8:30 p.m. CST

    The Daily Show needs a new target

    by NivekJ

    Learning that about Fox News just made me sad inside. I can't even respect Fox News enough to hate them anymore; they just scare old white people. It's pathetic. <p>You can walk up to an old person and calm them down (after enough tries and enough tranquilizer darts), but Fox News is just gonna keep fearmongering to make those ends meet.

  • Aug. 10, 2010, 8:32 p.m. CST

    Chrism....

    by Red Ned Lynch

    ...okay now, tell the rest...they have fled states that are net contributors to the federal government to states that are net beneficiaries of the federal government. Of which nine out of ten are reliably red states. <p> And that, my friends, is the rest of the hypocritical faux conservative story. <p> That would be Mississippi, Alaska, West Virginia, Montana, Alabama, South Dakota, Arkansas, North Dakota, and everybody's favorite state, Alaska. They take the most for every dollar in taxes paid. <p> The states that take the least? Eight are solid blue, a ninth, Colorado, is trending blue, and the tenth will probably fall of this list next year, because it is Nevada, which is entering the final stages of a horrible financial meltdown.

  • Aug. 10, 2010, 8:34 p.m. CST

    Wikipedia as a scource?

    by Oceanlizard

    You're fucking kidding me. After all the scandals with that website and the bogus information and cites, you're quoting Wikipedia. And why the hell is this being covered anyways?

  • Aug. 10, 2010, 8:34 p.m. CST

    chrism...

    by Red Ned Lynch

    ...did you call RealClearPolitics non-partisan? <p> Hee-hee-hee-hee. <p> Anybody who wants to check on this one just head over to their site and read a little. Maybe a few thoughts from John McIntyre, who runs the place. <p> Geezy-creezy, Chrism.

  • Aug. 10, 2010, 8:38 p.m. CST

    Politico...

    by Red Ned Lynch

    ...slightly more centrist, but you know, run by a former assistant to Reagan and bankrolled (at a continuing loss) by Robert Allbritton.

  • Aug. 10, 2010, 8:40 p.m. CST

    double shit! now i really don't know who to believe!

    by Hey_Kobe_Tell_Me_How_My_Ass_Tastes

    damn statistics! fuck it, if palin shows her tits im voting for her twice!

  • Aug. 10, 2010, 8:41 p.m. CST

    I think people under 12 watch The Daily Show

    by RPLocke

    They salivate at anything Jon Stewart says.

  • Aug. 10, 2010, 8:43 p.m. CST

    ccchhhrrriiisssm

    by BadMrWonka

    politico is run by a Reaganite, and that article was super speculative, and only exists to put some ill-advised fear out there. that's what politically bent blogs do, if they don't have facts on their side, they speculate.<p>an incumbent party only getting one term hasn't happened since Carter. and Obama got 365 electoral votes. you really think the country is going to shift that quickly? I do't believe the 2008 election was a true shift in the electoral map, Obama benefitted from a host of things that won't be the case in 2012. will he win as big? no. will he lose the popular vote and still win the election? very possible. is he going to lose? VERY unlikely.

  • Aug. 10, 2010, 8:44 p.m. CST

    RPLocke...

    by Red Ned Lynch

    ...so you're saying that before the last election the under 12 set scored higher on a test of civics knowledge than Fox viewers? Maybe we should give the kids the vote. This from May 2007: <p> "Other details are equally eye-opening. Pew judged the levels of knowledgeability (correct answers) among those surveyed and found that those who scored the highest were regular watchers of Comedy Central’s The Daily Show and Colbert Report. They tied with regular readers of major newspapers in the top spot—with 54% of them getting 2 out of 3 questions correct. Watchers of the Lehrer News Hour on PBS followed just behind. Virtually bringing up the rear were regular watchers of Fox News. Only 1 in 3 could answer 2 out of 3 questions correctly. Fox topped only network morning show viewers. Told that Shia was one group of Muslims struggling in Iraq, only 32% of the total sample could name “Sunni” as the other key group. "

  • Aug. 10, 2010, 8:45 p.m. CST

    put it this way...

    by BadMrWonka

    I'll bet you $20 AND give you 2-1 odds.

  • Aug. 10, 2010, 8:47 p.m. CST

    oh, and chrism

    by BadMrWonka

    if you think politico is not conservatively oriented, just go to that article you were citing and read the comments. yeah...Obama is a radical socialist muslim who is going to destroy white people! thank god politico says he's gonna lose! fucking laughable.

  • Aug. 10, 2010, 8:48 p.m. CST

    BadMrWonka...

    by Red Ned Lynch

    ...thank you, sir. I can go away now. And I am pretty sick today, so thank you again.

  • Aug. 10, 2010, 8:52 p.m. CST

    i dont think Obama knows what hes doing

    by DioxholsterReturns

    it had to be said. vote sarah palin 2012!!!!!!!!! jk

  • Aug. 10, 2010, 8:54 p.m. CST

    oh, and one last thing before I go to dinner

    by BadMrWonka

    Reagan was polling at 53% before he won like 9000 electoral points in 1984. Clinton was polling at 58% or so before crushing Bob Dole.<p>these popularity polls don't make as much difference as you think. and as I pointed out, the reason you think they do is because you watch Fox NEws, and read conservative blogs. you have to stop just feeding yourself propaganda, and actually look at history and reality.

  • Aug. 10, 2010, 8:56 p.m. CST

    Minorities do watch the news, as do teens...

    by Mr. Profit

    It may not be Cable Network News, but to say African Americans don't watch the news or read the paper is fucking ridiculous. Have you ever rode the Subway in NYC during the AM rush? Nearly everyone, White-Black-Latino reads the paper. It may be the tabloid leaning Daily News and Post, but still they are reading. And if Minorities don't watch the news, then how are the Morning News Programs on the broadcast networks so well rated? Why are the local morning news programs well rated? How are super localized "News 12" like channels still operating? Come on now... <p>And most English classes enforce the reading of the New York Times in an effort to keep students informed on current events. It's funny how people here seemingly turn 35 and then think kids are bad for watching MTV and fucking around on Twitter. 15 years ago it was Aol chatrooms and Beavis and Butthead. Just because kids have their vices you can't relate to, doesn't make them dumb. <p>The generalizations people make on this site are funny. Also, just because you don't believe the earth was created in 7 days by God, doesn't mean you can't have faith in a higher power, it doesn't mean you are also a "leftist liberal"...

  • Aug. 10, 2010, 8:57 p.m. CST

    Herc, Wikipedia

    by OOOOOOOOOOOOOOOUUUUUUUUUUTTTTTLLLLLAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAWWWWW

    Next time cite the sources that Wikipedia cites as their sources. They have them listed. It makes this site look very amateurish.

  • Aug. 10, 2010, 8:59 p.m. CST

    No, I'm saying I just don't care for Jon Stewart

    by RPLocke

    Or that other guy on CC that rips off Jon Stewart.

  • Aug. 10, 2010, 8:59 p.m. CST

    PALINS TITS 2012 I'D BUY THAT FOR A DOLLAR

    by Hey_Kobe_Tell_Me_How_My_Ass_Tastes

    just wanted to see what all caps felt like

  • Aug. 10, 2010, 9:01 p.m. CST

    Mr. Profit, well said...

    by NeverTalksBack

    Broad generalizations ON BOTH SIDES seem to rule the day. Most of us don't all fit into stereotypical roles. Never understood this. And Herc totally posted this to get everyone riled up, not that that is hard to do around here :p

  • Aug. 10, 2010, 9:10 p.m. CST

    Fox is the "Cracker Barrel" of News

    by MST3KPIMP

    O'reiley, Beck and Palin always go to where my dad lives "The Villages" in FL which is a huge retirement community with it's own zip code. They know theyre audience and how to best exploit theyre "sensibilities". Lot's of half-hearted folksy rhetoric with just the right amount of hate-disquised-as-passion patriotism to get them a hootin and a hollerin. I watch Fox as I like to study this form of manipulative media "of course all media is" but Fox seems to revel in it. But unlike Cracker Barrel they don't have that hard-to-find old-timey candy!

  • Aug. 10, 2010, 9:11 p.m. CST

    NeverTalksBack, exactly... On both sides.

    by Mr. Profit

    It's really fucking annoying. More annoying is how people generalize anything as conservative as some wuss group of crybaby hippies. I am not a conservative, but I'm not a liberal. I run 5 miles every day. I like shooting targets on my free time. I vote in every election and am not exclusive to any specific party, just to whoever makes the most fucking sense. I'm not white and read the paper and watch the news every day and work for a living AND pay taxes. I contribute to stimulating my economy. And to top it off, I'm sure I can decisively kick the asses of most of the people who spew all the bullshit about anyone not being a "conservative" being a pussy... <p>This site always devolves into discussion where people present their side, and their bias makes them so stubborn that they bend the facts to support their argument. No one fucking listens to each other, and that is the problem. And no one likes to be wrong or believe that changing their mind about something is OK to do.

  • Aug. 10, 2010, 9:16 p.m. CST

    *people generalize anything NOT conservative

    by Mr. Profit

  • Aug. 10, 2010, 9:40 p.m. CST

    lol, Obama will be a lame duck President after November

    by AshokForgiven

    lol

  • Aug. 10, 2010, 9:41 p.m. CST

    Btw, Im 27 and I watch FOX NEWS

    by AshokForgiven

    I guess 27 is the new 67.

  • Aug. 10, 2010, 9:51 p.m. CST

    Mr Profit

    by Hey_Kobe_Tell_Me_How_My_Ass_Tastes

    Is it wrong to love the titties? Cause I loves me some sarah palin T's, and if lovin them is wrong, i don't want to be right! palin tits 2012!but yeah i do agree with you about generalizations and this site - but aint no one gonna really have a give and take on this site - at least not for long! ha!

  • Aug. 10, 2010, 9:58 p.m. CST

    Repubs were slamming Obama long before he was elected

    by RPLocke

    And it was funnier than hell watching McCain pimp out Palin.

  • Aug. 10, 2010, 10:14 p.m. CST

    Breaking News:

    by Bob of the Shire

    Racist old people watch conservative network. Scandal rocks the nation.

  • Aug. 10, 2010, 10:16 p.m. CST

    Irrelevant Article...

    by Wrath4771

    but if it helps Herc sleep at night so be it. However, I will will throw this bone into your voting logic. If old people vote, wouldn't you want older people since more of them will come out in mass? As an example - won't more 67 year olds come out to vote than 59 year olds?

  • Aug. 10, 2010, 10:19 p.m. CST

    And As An Independant Nationalist -

    by Wrath4771

    Two things that chap my ass: 1) conservative right wing religious nut jobs who think we need a spiritual revolution and to put Gawd in the White House. 2)Left wing liberal whackos who believe if you don't agree with their opinion you're just some illiterate hillbilly from Are-Kansas who is ignorant and should be nuetered.

  • Aug. 10, 2010, 10:39 p.m. CST

    Old People

    by nyj_et

    are better equipped to see through bullshit than most of you. That goes double for Herc and Harry.

  • Aug. 10, 2010, 10:39 p.m. CST

    people over 65

    by lostboytexas

    should be killed at birth. just sayin'

  • Aug. 10, 2010, 10:41 p.m. CST

    its official

    by lostboytexas

    old people are cunts. now if we can just eliminate as many young cunts as possible then the whole cunt clan will die out!

  • Aug. 10, 2010, 10:47 p.m. CST

    Old people are running the country too

    by RPLocke

    Scary thought.

  • Aug. 10, 2010, 10:55 p.m. CST

    This isn't news. It has been known for a long time.

    by snowpuff

  • Aug. 10, 2010, 11:04 p.m. CST

    When are people going to realize...

    by Out of your element

    That CNN and Fox News are just mouths for two puppets that are each held by.....THE SAME FUCKING PERSON!!!!

  • Aug. 10, 2010, 11:16 p.m. CST

    Wingnuts are insane.

    by fiester

    If anyone seriously listens to the likes of Palin, Rush and Beck they ought to not be allowed to vote, drive, or own property.

  • Aug. 10, 2010, 11:18 p.m. CST

    Just FYI, Herc...

    by ccchhhrrriiisssm

    ...but the source of this article is a glorified blogger. Other outlets have identified Steve Sternberg's as not being very credible. <p>If you visit Sternberg's blog (yes, a blog) from which the Hollywood Reporter article was based, you can see that he frequently criticizes Nielsen Media...and even links to some crazy "New Age" and "tarot card" websites from his main menu! </p> <p>I don't think that his age claims hold much "water" UNLESS I could actually see the data upon which he bases those claims. Besides, he has the average age of CBS viewers as being 55 yrs old. </p> Since he supposedly claims that these things are based upon Nielsen findings, I am going to contact Nielsen and fact check this old gay New Age dude. I would like to see the proof of his claims AND see what education and experience he had that supposedly made him a self-proclaimed expert in the first place. For all we know, he could be another Stephen Glass.

  • Aug. 10, 2010, 11:21 p.m. CST

    fiester...

    by ccchhhrrriiisssm

    Do you REALLY believe that people who disagree with you are "insane" -- or are you just spewing nonsense? <p>It is funny that offer stupid RANTS against those you disagree with...and your "evidence" is that anyone who disagrees with you is "insane." </p> You ought to look up "insane" in a medical dictionary...and you might think that the definition hits a bit closer to home by describing people who utter nonsense like you just did.

  • Aug. 10, 2010, 11:23 p.m. CST

    Here is the website for the blogger...

    by ccchhhrrriiisssm

    ...upon whose claims the Hollywood Reporter article was based. <p>http://thestarryeye.typepad.com/sternberg/</p> Crazy stuff there!

  • Aug. 10, 2010, 11:29 p.m. CST

    well, as a Libertarian, I'm with you fellas

    by sharpie

    Ron Paul 2012!!!

  • Aug. 10, 2010, 11:30 p.m. CST

    Red Ned Lynch:

    by ccchhhrrriiisssm

    Real Clear Politics and Politico offer articles from MSM sources (like the AP, New York Times, Newsweek, Time, Reuters, Wall Street Journal, Washington Post, etc...) as well as analyses from inside sources. If they were so "conservative," I doubt that they would invite so many liberal reporters (like Eleanor Clift and Ariana Huffington).

  • Aug. 10, 2010, 11:33 p.m. CST

    RPLocke...

    by ccchhhrrriiisssm

    I would LOVE to play Obama at basketball, football or even chess. The guy has so many photo ops with short, untalented non-athletes, that it would be fun to school the president in both politics AND sports!

  • Aug. 10, 2010, 11:48 p.m. CST

    In other headlines: FauxNews watchers = very defensive...

    by Flip63Hole

    How dare AICN post statistics. Hateful statistics, at that! Let the whining and name-calling commence!

  • Aug. 10, 2010, 11:51 p.m. CST

    I saw RUPERT MURDOCH at the cleaners today.

    by Tigger Tales

    He is about 55% handsome.

  • Aug. 10, 2010, 11:54 p.m. CST

    A history lesson...

    by Hairy Nutsack

    I think there's plenty of bullshit to blame on Bush, but it's pretty fucking ridiculous to blame the current economic crisis on him when he and McCain both tried to get our government to do something about Freddie and Fannie and the toxic loans that destroyed our economy only to be shouted down by crackpots like Barney Frank and Maxine Waters.<p> The toxic loans began with the CRA which was signed into law by Jimmy Carter and was left pretty much untouched until Bill Clinton with Republican support at the time reinforced the CRA and began the current mess we are in now. We were warned about the real estate bubble bursting for decades and no one did anything to stop it, and in fact the lib-tards didn't want to fix it because it "helped" poor people...schyeah right.<p> What is the CRA? The Community Reinvestment Act, basically the law that enabled creditors to give loans to people who had no ability or hope to ever pay them back, also known as exactly what caused this mess. Lib-tards will tell you it helped poor people buy homes and realize the American Dream, people who don't live with unicorns and rainbows in their brain will tell you that people should be able to make down payments, have a fucking job, and have the ability to pay their loans back...which shockingly enough is now what is required of people seeking home loans, something that was called racist before by people like the aforementioned BarnieWatersMaxineFrank.<p> So basically, both sides caused this mess long before Bush had even entered into politics and was still CEO of one of the companies he ran into the ground....THE MORE YOU KNOW ======*

  • Aug. 11, 2010, 12:03 a.m. CST

    So, intolerance against older people is Herc's new target?

    by Coughlins Laws

    If I'm reading this correctly, you seem to be equating old with bad. The funny thing is, I've seen these numbers, too, and I think CNN and MSNBC's audiences are both above 60, too. I really don't understand the attack. What do you have against older Americans? You do realize you'll be 65 one day, too, right?<p>It just amazes me that liberals prove time and time again that they're the least tolerant among us...

  • Aug. 11, 2010, 12:07 a.m. CST

    WELL PLAYED HERC, TRYING TO GET AICN SOME HITS ARE WE?

    by J-Dizzle

    Politics always does the trick. Fucking douche.

  • Aug. 11, 2010, 12:22 a.m. CST

    If would consider voting Republican next election

    by BetterCallSaul

    but sadly they're dumb enough to give Palin the tea party nom!!

  • Aug. 11, 2010, 12:22 a.m. CST

    "The sky is blue, water is wet, women have secrets..."

    by Dr Gregory House

    "...who gives a fuck!" -Joe Hallenbeck

  • Aug. 11, 2010, 12:24 a.m. CST

    Fox News top story: Will those kids get off our lawn?

    by kevred

    Really, doesn't every single story on Fox News pretty much boil down to that? Substitute "illegals", "Muslims", "blacks", "commie liberals", "gays", etc., for "kids" above, and you pretty much have your average Fox News "reporting".

  • Aug. 11, 2010, 12:28 a.m. CST

    Hairy Nutsack, you left out one thing:

    by kevred

    The more than 1 trillion dollars of debt caused by Bush's wars in Iraq and Afghanistan, both based on lies and deceptions. The expense, plus the untold cost in lost worker productivity, changes in consumer behavior, and massively increased burdens to the health-care and social-services systems, has had a pretty incredibly significant effect on our economic mess.<p>You're right about the deeper, longer roots of our economic policies, and Clinton was a bastard for his economic policies and Obama's a bastard for extending these insane wars. But Bush doesn't deserve to be let off of any hooks, anywhere, ever.

  • Aug. 11, 2010, 12:33 a.m. CST

    I understand Mr.Profit and Wrath4771 exactly!

    by NeverTalksBack

    We are not all stereotypes!!! I identify as liberal, but that doesn't mean I'm in lockstep with everything the Democrats or Obama do or say. Conversely I don't villify a person for being conservative. No one is perfect and very few people are walking stereotypes ;)

  • Aug. 11, 2010, 12:56 a.m. CST

    If you see an old guy with a sweater -

    by RPLocke

    chances are he voted for Bush.

  • Aug. 11, 2010, 1:10 a.m. CST

    kevred you left out something too...

    by Hairy Nutsack

    If you're going to blame Bush for his spending, and yes I agree he spent plenty although your debt estimate is way high, then you need to include the fact that a Democratic controlled Congress allowed him to spend much of what he did, and before they controlled Congress, most of the key Democratic players in Washington were among the biggest champions for going to war in Iraq using the same "lies and deceptions" that were brought to light by Clinton's CIA. "Lies and deceptions" that Clinton himself used as justification to fire cruise missiles into Iraq several times.<p> So back to my original assessment, BOTH Dems and Reps are responsible for the mess we're in.

  • Aug. 11, 2010, 1:33 a.m. CST

    Right wingers are so easily baited

    by heroic_duo

    It's just sad, really. What's more pathetic than a fan boy? A right wing fan boy.

  • Aug. 11, 2010, 1:47 a.m. CST

    I can't believe any conservatives..

    by Cap'n Jack

    ...read this site. I thought they were too busy trying to keep gay people from getting married, women from having freedom over their bodies, and latinos from getting jobs. "Conservatives are not necessarily stupid, but most stupid people are conservative." - John Stuart Mill (1806-1873)

  • Aug. 11, 2010, 1:54 a.m. CST

    Hairy Nutsack, to your points:

    by kevred

    My estimate on the war costs isn't high at all - current spending totals on both wars is about $1.06 trillion and counting. The Washington Post has estimated they could cost up to $3 trillion when all is said and done. It's bad.<p>You're completely right that both Dems and Reps are responsible for the mess, something I never disputed. Though I come back to one simple question: the Dems went along with Bush's follies, but would they have started a war without him? I think the answer to that is staggeringly obvious. They have been criminally complicit, but none of it would have ever happened without Bush and his cronies pushing madly for it.

  • Aug. 11, 2010, 1:59 a.m. CST

    @sauronthepowerful re: ratings

    by kevred

    Some of the highest-rated TV shows last week: The Bachelorette, America's Got Talent, Wipeout, 2 1/2 Men, Big Brother. I'm just hoping you're not in any way equating popularity with quality.

  • Aug. 11, 2010, 2:10 a.m. CST

    What kind of audience does SNL have right now?

    by RPLocke

    I'm guessing old too, right?

  • Aug. 11, 2010, 2:11 a.m. CST

    kevred...

    by Hairy Nutsack

    Previously you said war debt, not war costs, very different. Bush's debt never exceeded 1 trillion, war costs are another matter. So I concede your clarified point.<p> Surely you're not arguing against us invading Afghanistan though. Yes it became a giant clusterfuck, and we should have mopped up there before considering any other actions, such as maybe invading Iran instead of Iraq, or better yet getting our asses back on American soil instead. But Afghanistan was necessary, just executed in the worst way possible.<p> I don't like what's happened in Iraq either, but I'm skeptical on whether it was necessary or not. Certainly the world is a better place without Saddam, but that's not justifcation for war or we'd be killing dictators every day (which would be fucking awesome actually). My sticking point with Iraq is the 17 UN sanctions promising military reprisals if Saddam didn't submit to a host of things of which WMD was only a small part. I find the UN's reaction to Saddam very puzzling, not surprising I guess, just puzzling. If the UN had backed up what they said then I doubt people would be questioning the invasion today.

  • Aug. 11, 2010, 2:30 a.m. CST

    Hey, guess what!?

    by VinnyMac666

    You're all wrong. (In varying degrees) Sooooooo.... unless, I missed the democratic utopia or the republican paradise in the last 234 years... We can all go back to talking about what we think of CGI Green Lantern costumes, who the new Batman villain will be and what we want Tarentino to do next. Peace amongst geeks... because if we can't get along. No one can.

  • Aug. 11, 2010, 2:39 a.m. CST

    I thought you American's had got over skin color ?

    by HarryBlackPotter

    Because it seems that a lot of white middle-class American's hate your President - I mean, really, really hate him, but for no real reason other than him being "Non-white!!!!" Weird, the rest of the world likes Obama.

  • Aug. 11, 2010, 2:41 a.m. CST

    HarryBlackPotter...

    by Hairy Nutsack

    You're a goddam idiot, that is all.

  • Aug. 11, 2010, 2:46 a.m. CST

    A veritable bukkake of delicious salty tears.

    by DocPazuzu

    The funniest thing about articles like this and the following talkbacks is the gaseous, Dan Quayle-esque faux indignation which is inevitably trotted out by outraged -- OUTRAGED! -- wide-orbit right-wingers. <p> They have no problem with a news channel like Fox exposing millions of people to conservative-angled news, but go into convulsions when a predominantly liberal film geek site which caters to a comparatively small number of people posts something with even a whiff of liberal slant. These are, incidentally, the same spasmos who will camp out in a talkback and do nothing but post reams of reactionary drivel for days on end and talk about how liberals are whiners and pussies. <p> I love it.

  • Aug. 11, 2010, 2:52 a.m. CST

    SNL ratings are crazy big in the "key demo"

    by Hercules

    It's not unusual for a new SNL to pull a better 18-49 rating than most anything in primetime: <p>http://bit.ly/96mUQz

  • Aug. 11, 2010, 2:55 a.m. CST

    With regard to my politics

    by Hercules

    All I know is that ObamaCare guy is working to put the American people in charge of the death panels. But under Palincare, the death panels are returned solely to the jurisdiction of the for-profit insurance companies. A state of affairs I believe everyone prefers. <p> Of course I’m kidding. None of that is true. Do carry on.

  • Aug. 11, 2010, 3:30 a.m. CST

    fox news = oldest + the most inbreds.

    by alice133

    mtv's average audience is older than 42? <p>thats why i dont trust old people.

  • Aug. 11, 2010, 3:54 a.m. CST

    KILL THE OLD PEOPLE!!!

    by Lashlarue

    Obama's death panels can't get here fast enough.

  • Aug. 11, 2010, 4:03 a.m. CST

    "Fox exposing millions of people to..."

    by The Bicycle Sharer

    "Conservative-angled news?" I guess after fifty years of liberal-angled news from the Big Three (CBS, NBC, ABC) and then ten to fifteen of CNN, they figured it was time to give the other side a shot.

  • Aug. 11, 2010, 4:09 a.m. CST

    I thought you [whatever]'s had...

    by The Bicycle Sharer

    Got over putting an apostrophe between "America" and the "s" when you mean a plural and not a possessive. My bad, though. Get you're still retarded.

  • Aug. 11, 2010, 4:11 a.m. CST

    anchorite

    by DocPazuzu

    Way to miss the point, as usual. It has nothing to do with the fact that Fox is conservative. It has everything to do with the fact that there is a double standard at work here amongst the reactionary whiners. On the one hand it's okay that Fox News is viewed by millions of people around the world, but on the other hand they get offended that an ADMITTEDLY liberal, privately owned, non-journalistic film geek site which caters to a mere fraction of the numbers Fox News does, posts an occasional liberally biased piece. <p> Man the fuck up.

  • Aug. 11, 2010, 4:15 a.m. CST

    SCARLETT_JOHANSSONS_BREAST_MILK

    by DocPazuzu

    You're the very definition of "fucktard."

  • Aug. 11, 2010, 4:49 a.m. CST

    BadMrWonka, you're funny

    by The Bicycle Sharer

    Criticizing ccchhhrrriiisssm for "grab[bing] whatever statistic makes your candidate look better (or the winning candidate look worse)" then using ELECTORAL VOTES as some sort of baseline? Betcha dollars to fucking donut holes you weren't doing that in 2000, huh? The popular vote is only "misleading" if, say, you don't care about the popular vote. That popular vote was ALL IMPORTANT in 2000, but, apparently, next to fucking worthless in 2008. ;-)<p>The Electoral College is comprised of representatives from each state based upon each particular state's number of congressional representatives plus its senatorial representatives. However, unlike the popular vote, which is apportioned WITHIN the state (say, Florida, which finished Obama 51% to McCain 48% of the popular vote), if a candidate wins the popular vote of (most) states (some can divide, I believe), he gets ALL that state's electoral votes. Therefore, Obama got ALL 27 electoral votes from Florida, instead of an apportioned percentage of 14. THIS is what creates ELECTORAL "landslides" (see Reagan-Mondale 1984) for THAT.<p>Yup, Bush only got 286 electoral votes in 2004 to Kerry's 252, but check out a map on this. Bush won every state except three on the west coast and and fourteen in the north/northeast and Hawaii. That's 35 states for Bush to 15 states for Kerry. Kerry's electoral loss was only so close because he won states with large electoral votes.<p>And the electoral map is essentially the same in 2000. Kerry practically did the exact same as Gore in 2000.<p>Obama DID more than double McCain's electoral votes 'cause Obama won a shitload of big electoral state votes. He also lost a lot of the "heartland" votes. Nonetheless, Obama was able to "switch" Nevada, Colorado, New Mexico, Indiana, Ohio, Virginia, North Carolina, and Florida. Eight states. Eight states made the difference between the Kerry-Gore 252-266 electoral votes and Obama's 365. Eight states. Obama literally won 27 states to McCain's 23 (a pretty fair approximation of the popular vote).<p>You say, "Obama won every section of the country by double digits (in electoral votes) except for the deep south, which McCain won?" Well, that's bullshit. You should learn to read a map. Obama lost North Dakota, South Dakota, Nebraska, Kansas, Oklahoma, Utah, Idaho, Wyoming, Montana, Arizona, and Missouri. Now, excepting Missouri (and it's a "cusp" state), not a single one of those eleven states can be considered "southern" unless you count any state south of the Canadian border as "southern."<p>And, again, you're funny. You say, "Obama's popularity in states with huge numbers of electoral votes hasn't changed NEARLY as much as in other states." I guess it's the "NEARLY" that makes your point or what?<p>Obama won New Jersey by 15 points in the popular vote.<p>From the Monmouth University/Gannett New Jersey poll:<p>"Currently, 52 percent of New Jerseyans approve and 42 percent disapprove of the job the president is doing. The state's net positive rating for the president continues to be higher than the national average of 47 percent approve to 47 percent disapprove recorded by Real Clear Politics on July 11. However, it also marks another decline from the 30 point positive gap Obama enjoyed in New Jersey a year ago."<p>That's a 30% positive to a 10% positive. Now, I guess that's not "NEARLY" what Obama's dropped in other states, but it's certainly precipitous.<p>Unless he corrects that trend, we're looking at a bleak 2010 to 2012 for the Dems.<p>But I guess we'll see at that point.

  • Aug. 11, 2010, 4:53 a.m. CST

    Doc Pazuzu

    by The Bicycle Sharer

    Yes, "[they think] it's okay that Fox News is viewed by millions of people around the world, but on the other hand they get offended that an ADMITTEDLY liberal, privately owned, non-journalistic film geek site which caters to a mere fraction of the numbers Fox News does, posts an occasional liberally biased piece."<p>How hypocritical of them, right?<p>Sorta like those who complain about Fox News and its slant while proclaiming the NYT, Washington Post, ABC, NBC, CBS, and CNN as some sort of bastions of "fair-minded" neutrality?<p>Yeah. Just about as hypocritical as that, huh?

  • Aug. 11, 2010, 4:56 a.m. CST

    Hairy Nutsack

    by hst666

    The CRA had nothing to do with the crisis. Fannie and Freddie did not make the vast majority of these toxic loans. This is a Republican canard to blame poor people for the vices of Wall Street and predatory lenders. <p><p>Our current economic crisis is not due to mortgage defaults. It is due to the derivatives created therefrom and a complete failure of the SEC to do its job.

  • Aug. 11, 2010, 4:59 a.m. CST

    BadMrWonka

    by The Bicycle Sharer

    Regarding "double digit states." Watch Florida. A close Obama victory which netted him 27 electoral votes. Obama has been upside down there since 2009, although improving a bit as of late.

  • Aug. 11, 2010, 5 a.m. CST

    The Bicycle Sharer

    by hst666

    The NYT, Washington Post, ABC, NBC, CBS, and CNN are overly neutral in my opinion. There is certainly no liberal bias except in the echo chamber in which you must live.<p><p>Don't believe me? Here's a simple test. I assume you are OK with the Wall Street Journal. Take any news story that is reported on in the WSJ and the NYT and compare them and see if the NYT is more liberal. Now, I said news story, so no editorials, op-eds, or opinion pieces. Guess what? they will effectively be the same.

  • Aug. 11, 2010, 5:03 a.m. CST

    Fox is biased. MSNBC is biased. Deal with it.

    by FlandersBum

    Also more shocking news: MSNBC, MTV, Rolling Stone, NPR, The Washington Post, The New York Times, most journalist students right out of college and most media spins to the left. Older people, Fox News, The Wall Street Journal, The Washington Times and big business all spin to the right. Shocking to hear, I know. Now get used to this and understand whenever you are watching/reading news that the story you are watching/reading has some bias in it. No big deal.

  • Aug. 11, 2010, 5:05 a.m. CST

    Ohio - BadMrWonka

    by The Bicycle Sharer

    Obama won it 52% to 47%. Quinnipiac says in April of this year, "President Obama’s job approval is underwater in Ohio, considered by many to be the nation’s bellwether state, with 45 percent approving of his job performance and 50 percent disapproving. That’s compared to 47 percent approve, 48 percent disappove March 31."

  • Aug. 11, 2010, 5:08 a.m. CST

    Pennsylvania - BadMrWonka

    by The Bicycle Sharer

    Obama 55% to McCain 44%, a definite "double digit" victory. Again, from that "bastion" of conservatism, Quinnipiac, "President Barack Obama's negative 46 - 49 percent job approval rating is essentially unchanged from his negative 45 - 49 percent score April 8 and his negative 46 - 48 percent score May 13. It is, however, a dramatic fall from May of 2009, when it was 66 - 29 percent approve."<p>So, I guess the devil really IS in the details when you say, "Obama's popularity in states with huge numbers of electoral votes hasn't changed NEARLY as much as in other states," right? ;-)

  • Aug. 11, 2010, 5:16 a.m. CST

    How can you be "overly neutral," hst666?

    by The Bicycle Sharer

    LMMFAO!!!<p>"Okay" with the WSJ? I'm "okay" with all of 'em, hst666. I watch Fox, CNN, HLN, MSNBC, ABC, CBS, NBC, and BBC World News. I read multiple newspapers and listen to multiple radio sources for my news, including NPR as well as talk radio. I also read multiple websites.<p>Based on your bias (or your perception of mine), you're picking an argument here you can't win. I rely on multiple BIASED sources for my news then make decisions based on what I see and what I know about the source's biases.

  • Aug. 11, 2010, 5:33 a.m. CST

    And check your own biases, hst666

    by The Bicycle Sharer

    "Our current economic crisis is not due to mortgage defaults. It is due to the derivatives created therefrom and a complete failure of the SEC to do its job?" Are you out of your skull? Have you completely lost your mind? Let me ask you a question: if there were no mortgage defaults, what would have happened with the derivatives ("derived" by definition from these mortgages)? Answer: nothing. Well, nothing, that is, except the purchaser getting stinking rich off of them. You should read a book or something. There are quite a few out which cover this. The financial crash was a combination of the push by certain people for home mortgages for everybody (even those who couldn't or wouldn't pay), the subsequent mortgage defaults, the repeal of Glass-Steagall, poor regulation and oversight, derivatives based on those flawed mortgages, and Greenspan's monetary policy (i.e., interest rates) as well as many other factors, including housing market speculation by a "flip-it-and-sell-it" culture. Wow! Talk about a simplistic view - "derivatives and the SEC?!?!?" They're just two fish in a very large pond, my friend, and there's more than enough blame for ALL the fish in that pond.

  • Aug. 11, 2010, 5:41 a.m. CST

    I highly recommend

    by The Bicycle Sharer

    Peter Goodman's "Past Due: The End of Easy Money and the Renewal of the American Economy." And, oh, yeah. Peter Goodman? New York Times national economics correspondent.

  • Aug. 11, 2010, 5:53 a.m. CST

    FlandersBum

    by The Bicycle Sharer

    Well said.

  • Aug. 11, 2010, 5:53 a.m. CST

    The Bicycle Sharer

    by BadMrWonka

    first off, I understand the electoral college.<p> if you assume that every person who is displeased with Obama's performance (though I doubt 1 in 10 actually understand his role in all of this) and says so in a poll, is then going to vote for someone else. that's a huge supposition. there are a lot of people out there who could be displeased as hell with Obama, and still wouldn't vote for Palin, or Gingrich, etc.<p> and I never said Obama won all the northern states or any of that, I'm talking about sections of the country. the states you yourself mentioned that he flipped meant that sections of the country that were usually close, were won by Obama in the double digits overall. north and south dakota? seriously? I'm sure you will call it my elitist liberal bias, but just speaking from an electoral viewpoint, those states don't really matter that much. Obama won big states, and because people blame him for not waving his magic wand and fixing the horrendous economy he inherited in a year, that doesn't mean every person who's bummed about the economy is going to vote republican...people are stupid, but they're not forgetful enough to think that it wasn't the Bush administration and republican anti-regulation ideology that got us into this in the first place.<p> the bottom line is this: it's a little early to be predicting either an Obama landslide, or a definite republican victory. but the likelihood of someone winning 365 electoral votes, and then turning around and losing the next election, barring some huge scandal, is pretty slim. <p>believe me, I understand your frustration. I wanted Bush to lose so much in 2004, that I convinced myself it was a foregone conclusion. but looking back, of course it never was. he was likely to win the whole time. as is Obama.<p> and I didn't ever argue that the popular vote shouldn't matter, I said that it didn't matter. that's the way the system is. and someone like Obama, who carried literally like 98% of the black vote, and who is worshipped by ultra-liberals (even though he's fairly moderate...all the screaming about socialism aside, I think Hillary would have been much more liberal in office) can win a lot of states just by taking the big cities and losing every other county (I think he won Nebraska even though he lost virtually all but whatever county Omaha is in).<p> I'm willing to give 2-1 odds that Obama wins in 2012, but I won't give 3-1. that's how optimistic I am, no more, no less.<p> conservatives have been on the wrong side of every social issue in history, but you always lose eventually. women can vote, blacks can vote, interracial couples can get married, women can get abortions, schools aren't segregated, and soon enough, gay people will be able to get married and have it be recognized federally.<p>it takes a while, but we always manage to do it. maybe that's because so many Fox News viewe...er...I mean "elderly bigots" keep kicking the bucket every year. the founding fathers kept religion as far away from government as they could, and yet Fox NEws and all the so-called "real americans" wont' rest until america is only white, straight christians.<p>that may not be you. I hope it isn't you. but you're watching their channel, and if it isn't you, you ought to speak up. or else take a seat at the tea party table with the other bigots and morons. I saw a sign at one of the protests here in Seattle that read, "DON'T STEAL FROM MY MEDICARE TO PAY FOR YOUR SOCILIZED MEDICINE!!!" (the misspelling was theirs, not my typo). that's the type of lack of understanding I'm talking about. it's pretty sad.<p>and if you think that the liberals are just demonizing the real, down home americans, and they're not racists, and they really know the issues and aren't hating Obama because he's black, well...perhaps you ought to see what a Palin rally in the heartland looks like:<p> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_TTs_PjWwv8 <p> ask yourself this...if your response to those people is "well those are extremists, they're jsut nuts" well yeah, but they're YOUR nuts. those are the far right. what is the far left? hippies with birkenstocks that want to live in trees and smoke pot? if I have to err on a side, I'm going to choose the one who's eventual conclusion is a hippie, not a virulent racist.<p>OK, ranting over, time for work.

  • Aug. 11, 2010, 6:12 a.m. CST

    "Just about as hypocritical as that, huh?"

    by DocPazuzu

    Pretty much, yes. <p> Honestly, are you going anywhere with this line of reasoning or are you just wasting my time?

  • Aug. 11, 2010, 6:14 a.m. CST

    Well fuckin said BadMr.Wonka!

    by NeverTalksBack

    Well done dude, that is all :)

  • Aug. 11, 2010, 6:33 a.m. CST

    How is it that Oxygen is younger than Disney or Nickalodeon.

    by InActionMan

    Stop watching those cartoons and tween shows you old fucks!

  • Aug. 11, 2010, 6:34 a.m. CST

    Reality vs. Perception

    by shutupfanboy

    The reality is that there is two years between now and Obama getting elected, anything can happen. I would say this has been his worse year, he got a number of bills people hate, but will love once they realized it will save their lives and pocket books. Pulling the plug on Grandma will come if health care is repealed, not because of it. The Gulf disaster was bad and as long as he keeps BP in his sights then he should ok there. The Tea Party are the same people who voted for Bush twice and every time they get into a real election minus Brown, not the primary garbage, they tend to screw over the GOP. Even their boy, Brown turned on them as soon as he walked through the door since he knows that their agenda will get him unelected in two years. Wonka is right, most of these polls are meaningless and are there just to give the media something to talk about. Palin is averaging about 28% popularity and its really the media who keeps throwing her out there with her dumbass comments. I don't know if the TV show will be good or bad, but if its more things like her rolling her eyes at teachers, you know people who are working unlike her then its going to be a negative. Newt's Ex-wife blasted him this week and I doubt he has a real shot with all his skeletons. Romeny is a Mormon and that is about as scary to those people as Obama being a secret Muslium, because you know he looks like one of them due to his skin. The Governor in Lousiana is a darky too and I doubt too many people will get behind him including those in his own state. Huckabee would be a good candidate and the media seems to like him, but he has no job or cash flow and the more people got to know him, he would probably piss people off with his rather ultra-conservative view points. He has seems to lightweight for the job. I am sure there are other candidates out there, but I see the GOP fight for that nomination is going to do more harm then good. The Dems almost fell into that trap with Hillary, but Palin as VP and the hate for the GOP helped carry Obama into office.

  • Aug. 11, 2010, 6:40 a.m. CST

    TLC has become a terrible channel

    by RedBull_Werewolf

    When I was a kid, they used to have documentaries and stuff you could leran from, but then trading spaces happend and the channel quickly became 24 hours of reality TV. Now all it is is housewife garbage and reality shows. What ashame, some of us enjoy learning

  • Aug. 11, 2010, 6:44 a.m. CST

    Wonka, you said (and I fucking quote)...

    by The Bicycle Sharer

    "Obama won every section of the country by double digits (in electoral votes) except for the deep south, which McCain won." That is incorrect. Most of the states that I mentioned are Midwest/Plains states. That's a section. And it's pretty fucking disingenuous of you (not to say just as fucking wrong as what you accused ccccccchrism of) to split hairs regarding "sections" of the country. You clearly intended to imply that Obama won practically everything BUT the South and that is incorrect.<p>However, you got a problem with North Dakota and South Dakota? Oh, right. Of course, you do. 'Cause we can't count those in the "Obama won everything but the South" argument. Yeah, hey, guess what! Obama lost everything! Yup, that's right everything. 'Cause, in my "pick-and-choose world" (just like yours) I can discount the states that don't support my contention - so Cali, Oregon, Washington, New Jersey, New York and Florida don't exist. Really?<p>From an electoral point of view, you're right - those states don't matter that much.<p>Bush's anti-regulation policy? Really? Bush's? Here, let me help since you seem to be quite ignorant.<p>1) Here's a link to Bill Clinton signing the repeal of Glass-Steagall -- http://tiny.cc/lyfi9. You know what a veto is, right? That's when the President doesn't like something that Congress passes (say, oh, I don't know, like... deregulation) and so he VETOES it so it doesn't become law. Notice the smile on Billy Boy's face as he signs? Oh, but I forgot. Either Bill Clinton wasn't a Democrat, or he was in the Bush administration, or he doesn't count 'cause he was in North Dakota at the time?<p>2) Here's Barney Frank - the famous Bush adminstration Republican - addressing the housing bubble: http://tiny.cc/a9aup. Sigh. If only Massachusetts weren't so conservative (or is it South Dakota), we could get that Bush administration Republican outta there, huh?<p>3) Here's a video by an obvious Bush adminstration Republican from CANADA (probably a suburb of North Dakota, right?) detailing the timeline of Bush and McCain warnings to Congress on Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac: http://tiny.cc/iv8tk <p>4) Here's Democrats in Congress in 2004 and 2005 arguing in committee hearings against Republicans regarding Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac. Guess those must be Bush administration Republican Democrats, huh?<p>While Obama election predictions may be a little early and that may have been your point, that certainly wasn't what you said.<p>You understand my frustration? Really? That's what you think? Well, chief, lemme help you - I'm not frustrated in the least. Not even a little bit. I've been through this election shit for forty-two years now and I've seen time and time again how the spinmeisters whip the morons up, convincing them that it's the end of the world if Candidate X wins the election and only Candidate Y can save us. I prefer conservative/libertarian candidates (and more libertarian than conservative), but in no way am I gonna be frustrated if Obama wins. C'est la vie. Next election rolls around in four years.<p>Obama is, discounting health care and the financial reg bill, essentially Bush-lite. Iraq, Afghanistan, Gitmo, civil trials, warrantless wiretaps, rendition, public option, transparency (see recent SEC exclusion from FOIA) - Obama is just about a degree different from Bush.<p>Regarding your odds on Obama's win, no thanks. That's two-years away and a lot could happen between now and then. Actually, fuck it - changed my mind. I'll take those odds - how do we pony up the money. 'Cause, honestly, nobody no how knows the odds. I mean, I'd give it 50-50, you'd give it 2-1 so even if I lose it's miniscule compared to what I'd win. So, let's do it then.<p>Fox News, elderly bigots? Well, fuck you, dickweed. I'm neither elderly nor bigoted and I watch Fox News. Like I said, I also watch CNN, HLN, MSNBC, ABC, CBS, NBC, and BBC World News. Oh, and go fuck your mother on the Tea Party thing, too, you America hating sack of communist shit. (You like that name calling, huh, you ridiculous ass maggot?)<p>Oh, fuck - you're from Seattle - that explains your idiocy. Got a good friend who's a lawyer up there - Diego Vargas - smart guy, just dumb as a knee-jerk stump (like you) on politics.<p>Gee, a misspelled sign at a political rally!?!?!? Egads!!! Must mean all Tea Partiers are stupid.<p>Who said anything about liberals "demonizing the real, down home americans?" Straw man much in your part of the idiot?<p>You need to fix your youtube video link. It doesn't work. Guess that makes you pretty stupid, huh?<p>Find me a link to an actual video then we'll talk about "Tea Party extremists."<p>And since I'm not a moron (I said me; you, I'm not too sure about), here's an actual working link to the "love" of the left -- http://tiny.cc/exsnc.

  • Aug. 11, 2010, 6:46 a.m. CST

    Going anywhere, Doc Padudu

    by The Bicycle Sharer

    I already got there. They're both biased. Please fuck off and die.

  • Aug. 11, 2010, 6:47 a.m. CST

    Pointless

    by Mad-Maximus

    Why was this even posted on your website? Seriously, I'm Republican but I do not mix my political views with my entertainment views. I do not know where you were going with the content, unless your the type that discriminates against older people. Please stick to what you do and thats entertainment news & gossip or I will not be reading this site anymore.

  • Aug. 11, 2010, 6:48 a.m. CST

    Hairy Nutsack

    by HarryBlackPotter

    Just reading your posts ("maybe invading Iran instead of Iraq, Afghanistan was necessary...) You are a true son of Sam. Congratulations. Firstly, you say the world is better off without Saddam. Well, which government supported (turned the other cheek in other words) Saddam's genocidal activities for over a decade and armed the country in the first place and backed Saddam all the way during the Iran / Iraq war? Talk about sending out mixed messages! And btw, Iraq was widely considered the most progressive country in the region until Bush senior decided to assume a moral high-ground and began to destabilise (cough, cough, protect the petro-dollar channels) the entire region. Then Bush jnr decided to invade a country without thinking A) What happens after the topple of Saddam who kept the insurgents at bay…B)EXIT PLAN. “We just invaded a country boys, now what do we do? Answers on a postcard!” And as for Afghanistan, just what is being accomplished out there? You might say its a pre-emptive strategy to ensure the safety of the western world by curbing Taliban activities. Well, who exactly are the Taliban anyway. Super-skilled ninjas with the kind of gadgets Bruce Wayne and Tony Stark can only dream of? Or peasants and farmers who are merely being led by hungry stomachs to follow whoever will feed them and their families. So instead of bombing Afghanistan, it might be worth trying to find out who exactly the enemy are first, and maybe try looking in the mirror. But what do I know. I’m just a goddam (sic) idiot.

  • Aug. 11, 2010, 6:51 a.m. CST

    Bicycle Sharer

    by hst666

    I agree with most of what you wrote about the economic crisis. My point was to tear down the idiot who had earlier posted that the CRA and Frannie and Freddie were to blame, which is not the case.

  • Aug. 11, 2010, 6:53 a.m. CST

    Also

    by hst666

    My point about the defaults not being the problem was because in and of themselves they would not lead to the financial crisis we have now. Absolutely the deregulation that began under Reagan, continued with Clinton and exacerbated by W (along with each one's respective congresses) also has a lot do with the crisis.

  • Aug. 11, 2010, 6:56 a.m. CST

    Obama=Chicken Little

    by Dustoff74

    in 18 months, there has been 11 months of "emergency" spending. I am 35 and i watch both the Mocking network (MSNBC) and Fox. over the past 8 years, i have learned how to filter Keith and Rachel's tripe just as easily as i can filter Hannity. still, why should i have faith in a man who takes more vacations in a month than i eat take out food or despite a stellar education, cannot fathom the notion of being in debt means you can't keep handing out money to anyone who asks or subsidize McDonald's employees wanting a 5,000sg. foot home with gilded bathrooms. Left, Right or Neutral, an idiot is still and idiot. and political sniping is in poor taste on a site devoted to the likes of "Hung".

  • Aug. 11, 2010, 6:56 a.m. CST

    HarryBlackPotter, what are you... ten years old?

    by The Bicycle Sharer

    "Well, which government supported (turned the other cheek in other words) Saddam's genocidal activities for over a decade and armed the country in the first place and backed Saddam all the way during the Iran / Iraq war?" You do understand that times and situations change, right? I mean, do you put the uncle of a serial killer in jail 'cause fifteen years ago he gave the twelve year old future serial killer money? Or wished him well on a test? Or bought his study guide?<p>Bush, Sr. decided to assume the moral high ground? First, where the fuck were you for Gulf I? The entire fucking world was on "moral high ground" Bush's side in that one. Literally, the WHOLE FUCKING WORLD!<p>"Cough, cough, protect the petro-dollar channels?" Again, what the fuck are you, ten years old? Mommy and Daddy have to have gas to get your little retarded ass to school and the mall, Harry. Now, while you may walk everywhere, the rest of us drive. As such, access to oil and gas is vital. And you and your ignorant friends don't want us to access it over here so we gotta kill Iraqis who invade Kuwait over there.<p>Who are the fucking Taliban? You're a fucking moron, dude. A serious fucking moron. You don't know the difference between an Afghan or Pakistani peasant and the Taliban? Well, take a fucking look at the cover of the most recent Time magazine. There's your "peasants and farmers who are merely being led by hungry stomachs to follow whoever will feed them and their families!" What are they, eating fucking women's noses now 'cause they're so hungry?<p>And, yes, you're a goddam idiot.

  • Aug. 11, 2010, 6:56 a.m. CST

    With respect to Obama

    by hst666

    Bad Mr Wonka is correct in that equating Obama's popularity to votes this Fall is specious at best. A more important factor would be relative popularity. The Republicans still have to run somebody. Do you think the Republican candidate will be more popular than Obama?

  • Aug. 11, 2010, 6:58 a.m. CST

    Gotcha, hst666

    by The Bicycle Sharer

    I missed that. I just hate the fools, too, who try to minimize the causes of a very complex crash down to "it was the Republicans" or "it was the Democrats." My bad and thanks for the correction. :-)

  • Aug. 11, 2010, 6:58 a.m. CST

    "I already got there."

    by DocPazuzu

    Wow, how many more open doors can you kick in? To "have a point" usually means having an argument that somehow ends up going against and trumping its intended target. Since you have posted nothing which does either, you fail to have a point. See how that works? <p> If you can't actually contradict something I've said, then kindly go hump someone else's leg.

  • Aug. 11, 2010, 7 a.m. CST

    Dustoff74

    by hst666

    Do you really believe what you wrote? Every accusation you make is easily disprovable. Also as far as improving the economy giving money to people at the bottom does more than money injected anywhere else.

  • Aug. 11, 2010, 7:01 a.m. CST

    BadMrWonka is correct in that, hst666

    by The Bicycle Sharer

    But he says a lot of other stuff that ain't correct, including the stuff about the South as well as the "double digit" states versus Obama's popularity slide. That having been said, handicapping Obama now for 2012 is fucking asinine. A lot can change and a lot is "candidate" dependent, like you said.

  • Aug. 11, 2010, 7:07 a.m. CST

    "Giving money to people at the bottom..."

    by The Bicycle Sharer

    "Does more than money injected anywhere else?" Care to "prove" that one? Seriously, I been hearing this assertion a lot lately and I'd just like to see the statistics. Personally speaking, I'd like to give everybody, rich, poor, black, white, whatever, as much money back as possible. However, what do you mean by "people at the bottom?" You do understand that the BOTTOM HALF (50%) pay less than 3% of all income taxes, right? So, based on a "pay-go" system and all else being equal - the most that you can "give" to the people at the bottom is 3% of income taxes before you're just talking about income redistribution.<p>Is that what you're suggesting? That income redistribution from the people at the top to the people at the bottom is more productive? Again, I'd like some facts and stats on that please.

  • Aug. 11, 2010, 7:11 a.m. CST

    Case against income redistribution

    by The Bicycle Sharer

    Income redistribution programs are disincentives for those who have to contribute. The income redistribution programs are also disincentives to work for the recipients. The danger exists that as a result of the combination of these disincentives the total output of the country would decrease.<p>And, on a personal note, let me attest that that certainly fits my case. Been outta work for almost a year and I have ZERO plans of looking for work until my unemployment runs out. ZERO. In fact, you have heard the neolism "fun-employment," right? Well, say hello to the guy with his picture by the definition. ;-)

  • Aug. 11, 2010, 7:16 a.m. CST

    Bicycle Sharer...

    by Red Ned Lynch

    ...oh, so you are a true, good conservative. Sucking at the teat of the Republic while whining about what others get. <p> As I pointed out above and will gladly reference again nine of the ten states that are the largest net takers of federal money (most dollars taken from the federal government compared to the amount paid) are deep red states, with the tenth being DC, not actually a state at all. Eight of the ten biggest net contributors are deep blue states and a ninth, Colorado, is trending blue. <p> Maybe the blue states should just "Go Galt" from the red states.

  • Aug. 11, 2010, 7:19 a.m. CST

    Redistribution to people at the bottom productive?

    by The Bicycle Sharer

    Let me add that without unemployment insurance, I'd certainly be at the bottom level of income, under $33,000, 'cause I'd be unemployed. But if I went back to work I'd certainly be in the top 25% of wage earners ( > $66,532/yr) and possibly/probably in the top 10% ( > $113,000/yr). I'm a 42 year old accountant with a Master's, twenty-years of experience, and was controller of the last company I worked for. So, in my case, I took a big pay cut, but most of my stuff is paid for and I've got NO worries at all - no employees to supervise, no financials to produce, no loan agreements to review, no bankers to talk to, no CFO or CEO to report to, etc. Basically, I'm robbing the country of about $75,000 market value of productivity, but what do I care?

  • Aug. 11, 2010, 7:21 a.m. CST

    Nobody was talking to you, McGooCain

    by The Bicycle Sharer

    I was talking to hst666 who said, ""Giving money to people at the bottom does more than money injected anywhere else?" No kindly go fuck yourself, McGooCain. No seriously. Do it.

  • Aug. 11, 2010, 7:25 a.m. CST

    I AM HERCULES THE LEFTWING DOUCHE!

    by Graphix67

    *SIGH*.... Honestly, is AICN that hard up to fill online space that they have to indulge HERC's left-wing, liberal puke rants????

  • Aug. 11, 2010, 7:33 a.m. CST

    I'm not an american, so I watch Fox News for a laugh

    by ricarleite2

    I read that one quarter of americans believe Obama is not an american.

  • Aug. 11, 2010, 7:41 a.m. CST

    Are you twelve, Herc?

    by BizarroJerry

    Old people like that channel! Old people are dumb!

  • Aug. 11, 2010, 7:42 a.m. CST

    american "news" is a bit silly

    by slickerynodes

    watch c-span or BBC to find out what's happening in american. <P> and if you watch fox it's because, like the great George Bush, you are a cheerleader and just like to hear what you think to be true repeated back at you.

  • Aug. 11, 2010, 7:44 a.m. CST

    Jettison all the old people into space when they die.

    by parissun

    We will not have the land spack to bury all of these people. I'm telling you people space burials are the wave of the future. Get on board now young men.

  • Aug. 11, 2010, 7:46 a.m. CST

    and if you think ABC, NBC and CBS are liberal

    by slickerynodes

    then you are simple. they are corporate run media outlets.<P> and i've got news for you folks. large corporations are not looking out for the individuals' best interests.

  • Aug. 11, 2010, 7:48 a.m. CST

    1/4 of Americans believe that

    by V'Shael

    Obama is a Muslim.<br />Obama is the anti-christ.<br />Obama was not born in the USA<br />We are living in the "End Times"<br />Everything they don't like can accurately be labelled "librul" <br />Everything they don't like can accurately be labelled "socialist" <br />They are in mortal danger from the "turrorrists"<br /><br />I believe it was South Park that pointed out that 1 in 4 Americans is batshit insane. 1 in 4. Sounds about right.<br />There's a reason Florida has its own FARK tag.

  • Aug. 11, 2010, 7:48 a.m. CST

    What's Funny...

    by micturatingbenjamin

    Is that the article is based on ratings and fact: Old people like Fox News better than MSNBC.<p>It took around five posts to have the vitriol back and forth about whose side is right, and whose side is anti-American.<p>Anyway, continue ranting, but I think the statistic article was just raw data before people started taking political sides over it. Interesting and funny, to say the least.

  • Aug. 11, 2010, 7:53 a.m. CST

    Bicycle Sharer

    by hst666

    I am using the stats that I hear repeated and admittedly, I don't know the ultimate source. Food stamps appear to be number one. Reasons why I am inclined to believe it is that people on the bottom do not have investments and savings. They are generally living check to check Therefore, they will spend any extra money they have in their communities, thereby supporting businesses in their communities who in turn spend more. I tend to believe there are more nonlinear effects to assisting people at the bottom.

  • Aug. 11, 2010, 7:53 a.m. CST

    INcome Redistribution

    by micturatingbenjamin

    I wish it were the fifties again: The top two percent paid 90 percent of the tax burden. Every family could be a single income family, could take their family on a week-long vacation, and hairstyles were normal. Of course, socially, we had some maturing to do. But otherwise, we had a good handle on what worked. Everyone won.<p>Here's another question: Why are a lot of my conservative relatives FOR the salary cap in pro sports but AGAINST taxing the wealthy in this country to pay for the municipal systems they use for gaining that wealth?

  • Aug. 11, 2010, 7:58 a.m. CST

    No, Red Ned

    by The Bicycle Sharer

    I'm a true, good libertarian (with conservative) leanings who learned in the last election that government is gonna take care of me.<p>And I fail to see your point regarding red state/blue state contributions vs. dollars received. You do understand that those states you mentioned ("Mississippi, Alaska, West Virginia, Montana, Alabama, South Dakota, Arkansas, North Dakota, and everybody's favorite state, Alaska") are less densely populated than the blue states you mentioned as well as being largely rural, agrarian, and poor. The blue states you're talking about are largely metropolitan with a more affluent population.<p>And that seems a specious point at best. I mean, I thought that blue staters were all about helping out the poor and less fortunate?<p>I also note that Pennsylvania, Maryland, Maine, New Mexico, Ohio, North Carolina, Indiana, and Vermont get more than they send. Hmmm. How did those states vote in 2008 again? Oh, right. Obama.<p>In point of fact, about seventeen (17) states send more in tax revenues than they receive. Of those, thirteen (13) went Obama and four (4) went McCain. But that means that, thirty-one (31) states receive more than the send. (Georgia and Rhode Island being a 1-1 ratio.) Of those thirty-one, Obama won fourteen (14) of 'em, or 45% to McCain's 17 of 'em, or 55%. Whoa. You've really "proved" something there about Red State takers vs. Blue State givers.<p>In fact, all you've "proved" is that richer people tend to live in New Jersey, New York, California, Connecticut, and Massachusetts. They make more money. Therefore, they contribute more, tilting the "give" in their favor.<p>You may not be aware of it, but apportionment of federal funds by states is not based on political affiliation or contribution of tax revenues to the federal budget. Crazy, I know, but true.

  • Aug. 11, 2010, 8:04 a.m. CST

    the current situation is proof that the liberal ideal is a failu

    by chillzatl

    The subject says it all. It's a fact. The liberal ideal of raising taxes, giving the government more control and spending as much as possible CAN'T EXIST without the conservative ideal of lower taxes, reduced government control and less spending. Obama and his people have admitted this. They wanted to raise taxes, but they can't, because it will destroy our economy even more. If it would fix things, they would have done it already, but they know that their system does not lead to growth. They need lower taxes to allow the economy to recovery before they can do any of the crap they want to do. What's sad is that you retards sit here argueing against one side or the other when they are essentially the exact same thing, working in harmony to constantly flip-flop and undo what the other has done to maintain control over your minds. It's people like you, from both sides, who will be to blame when our country eventually collapses because you will not allow yourself to see that the entire system is the problem, not one party in it. FOOLS.

  • Aug. 11, 2010, 8:06 a.m. CST

    People get wiser with age.

    by fanboy71

    Socialism is not the answer. And FOX news is no more biased than MSNBC. Try watching Olberman or Maddow and tell me they aren't extrememly biased. At least FOX gives both sides a chance to talk. Honestly, I don't watch either one.

  • Aug. 11, 2010, 8:08 a.m. CST

    what's sad is chillzatl thinks he's

    by slickerynodes

    got it all figured out. he will never listen to any info that contradicts what he thinks is right. we've stopped being a curious nation that wants to learn and evolve

  • Aug. 11, 2010, 8:08 a.m. CST

    Hst666

    by The Bicycle Sharer

    The assumption there is that, somehow, if poor people have it then they must spend it while rich people somehow won't spend it? And that someone the rich people who won't spend it somehow WILL spend when it comes (not in the form of tax cuts) but in the form of income from poor people (because rich people ARE the business owners from whom the poor will be purchasing products)? Well, if that's true, why isn't the economy doing better then? HALF of ALL taxpayers pay almost NOTHING in federal taxes. In addition, Bush did two rebates to the poor and Obama did his little withholding recalc thing (for the poor) so where's all that growth? Been twenty months now and I'm still waiting for the "more productive" to kick in.<p>Lemme give you two, admittedly, anecdotal stories. 1) I receive unemployment insurance. Have been for almost a year. When I get that, I save most of it. But I'll admit that most people aren't in the circumstance that I'm in where they can afford to do so. 2) John Kerry just purchased a luxury yacht built for him in... NEW ZEALAND!!! As one of the rich, he certainly seems to be spending money. Just not on Americans. I guess that New Zealand economy must have really needed his help.

  • Aug. 11, 2010, 8:12 a.m. CST

    In addition, hst666

    by The Bicycle Sharer

    Your assumption about cash seems to be that it doesn't "work" when it's not being spent (by poor people alone, apparently). That's just wrong. You understand capital investment and loans, right? Even if the rich don't spend it, it still produces in the economy. Your basic premise is that somehow cash is unproductive and unused by the rich (exclusive of John Kerry, I guess), but that it becomes productive when it is taken by the government from the rich and given to the poor? Well, in that case, hst666, you just think that government has the right to take from some to give to others for the "good" of the country. I disagree.

  • Aug. 11, 2010, 8:15 a.m. CST

    If Fox News was British it would be banned.

    by Roborob

    In the UK it is illegal for a new programme or Channel to be political in any way. They can have guests who have political views but the Programme/ChannelMust remain neutral. We do get Fox News But to be honest Sky News is the best followed by The BBC News Channel and CNN, Fox is just their for tourists or imigrants as is the French, Japanese, Russian and Al Jasera.

  • Aug. 11, 2010, 8:18 a.m. CST

    Yes, I'm "lazy" McGooCain

    by The Bicycle Sharer

    Nice try. Infant. I just have no interest in talking to you and I'm saying exactly what I want to say, to whom I want to say it. Money is no more productive in the economy in the hands of one set of citizens than it is in another, rich, poor, black, white, whatever.

  • Aug. 11, 2010, 8:19 a.m. CST

    Huge raging liberal here

    by DeusExMachina

    And I just have to say that I hate Fox News just as much as the next one and I love a good conservative vs. liberal debate, but I can go to Huffington Post for that. I like this site better without having to get into all of that.

  • Aug. 11, 2010, 8:26 a.m. CST

    Incorrect, Doc Pazuzu

    by The Bicycle Sharer

    One may make a point without having an argument or a discussion. See, a point can be an "individual or distinguishing detail; a purpose." Therefore, when you imply that those who criticize the bias of AICN while ignoring the bias of Fox News (and where the fuck did that come from anyway?) are hypocritical or stupid and I state that they are no more so guilty of a double standard than the other side, we have had both an argument/discussion and we have each offered a point. Simply because you try to claim that I've NOT made a point in contradistinction to your point about the double standard of whiners doesn't mean that it's so. And that, sir, is another point.

  • Aug. 11, 2010, 8:27 a.m. CST

    How DARE you criticize the bias of this site?!?!?!?

    by The Bicycle Sharer

    When MSNBC and the Huffington Post exist?!?!? Maroon.

  • Aug. 11, 2010, 8:28 a.m. CST

    Could Ricky Gervais replace Steve Carrell in The Office???

    by iamnicksaicnsn

    The Office??? If so it would be the most epic thing ever. Doubt it will happen. (Remove the spaces, I guess). There's no way this website is correct. <p> http://www.limelife.com/blog-entry/Ricky-Gervais-to-Replace-Steve-Carell-on-The-Office/59314.html </p>

  • Aug. 11, 2010, 8:29 a.m. CST

    We're not ON Fox News, you fucking idiot

    by The Bicycle Sharer

    Yeah, I'm talking to you, Pazuzu. You're a fucking idiot.

  • Aug. 11, 2010, 8:29 a.m. CST

    iamnicksaicnsn

    by The Bicycle Sharer

    Fuck, that would be awesome!

  • Aug. 11, 2010, 8:30 a.m. CST

    Exactly, Bicycle Sharer...

    by Red Ned Lynch

    ...it's based on...need. And according to you, in your post above, by meeting those needs the federal government is enabling whole states (a very pronounced majority of them red, as, thank you, you amplified in your response to me) to continue to be needy. I mean, what incentive do these states and their mostly conservative populations have to better themselves, to pull themselves up by their own bootstraps, when they're being carried by the rest of the nation? <p> Your logic, not mine.

  • Aug. 11, 2010, 8:30 a.m. CST

    If MSNBC were British

    by The Bicycle Sharer

    It'd be banned, too.

  • Aug. 11, 2010, 8:33 a.m. CST

    chillzatl

    by iamnicksaicnsn

    The current system is screwed up right now because of Conservative ideals winning over. Tax cuts? Tax cuts are part of the reason we're in this mess right now. Yes, it's probably true, raising taxes at this point probably wouldn't be a good idea, but the logic that you can't spend a shit load is totally wrong. The way we get out of this recession is pumping money into the economy... THEN when we've gotten out of the hole can we start increasing taxes. <p> But the idea that Liberal concepts are winning right now is laughable. Liberals are pissed off at Obama for being just as much of a wuss as all of the Democrats are. We voted for change, all we got was the same ol' Washington bs. But of course, the real reason for that is because they are trying to placate the REPUBLICANS. If they actually did what they should be doing the US would be way better off.

  • Aug. 11, 2010, 8:35 a.m. CST

    65 years old?

    by Doughboy

    I just turned 33 and I watch FoxNews on a regular basis. So if the average age of their viewers is 65, there must be some seriously decrepit folks out there watching that channel in order to balance out people my age. As for the alleged conservative bias of the network, obviously if your exposure to them is limited to Hannity and Beck, you'll come to that conclusion. But their daytime coverage is balanced. You always get people from both sides of the political spectrum discussing issues. Plus let's not overlook the fact that two flaming libs, Shep Smith and Geraldo Rivera, host their own shows. And they cover all the issues. They don't arbitrarily ignore or downplay stories(ACORN, New Black Panther Party voter intimidation, SB 1070, failed stimulus, Climategate, Obama trying to buy off Senate candidates in the primaries, Van Jones, the Tennessee flood, the contents of the Financial Reform and Obamacare bills) just because it might reflect negatively on Obama or the Democrat Congress.

  • Aug. 11, 2010, 8:35 a.m. CST

    At least MSNBC has liberal programming in the morning

    by iamnicksaicnsn

    Show me one Liberal news host on Fox News. Shephard Smith doesn't count.

  • Aug. 11, 2010, 8:36 a.m. CST

    Shephard Smith isn't a Lib...

    by iamnicksaicnsn

    He just isn't an idiot and actually tries to be a newsman, not some crazy talking head.

  • Aug. 11, 2010, 8:37 a.m. CST

    I mean CONSERVATIVE PROGRAMMING IN THE MORNING

    by iamnicksaicnsn

    MSNBC I mean.

  • Aug. 11, 2010, 8:37 a.m. CST

    most of you don't know a damn thing about politics

    by SirBiatchReturns

    Especially the neo-con wannabes. This is a film/TV site. Keep your slanted bullshit politics to yourself.

  • Aug. 11, 2010, 8:40 a.m. CST

    iamnicksaicnsn

    by Doughboy

    "Yes, it's probably true, raising taxes at this point probably wouldn't be a good idea, but the logic that you can't spend a shit load is totally wrong. The way we get out of this recession is pumping money into the economy... THEN when we've gotten out of the hole can we start increasing taxes." Then explain why $862 billion in stimulus has done nothing to get our economy going. We've lost 3 million jobs since that was signed into law. If government spending was the key to fiscal prosperity, how come it's never worked anywhere it's been tried? And how come we should limit it to $862 billion? Hell, let's just spend $50 trillion. According to the Keynesian worshipers, that would theoretically lead to the biggest economic growth ever.

  • Aug. 11, 2010, 8:40 a.m. CST

    Doughboy

    by Charles_Corkey_Thatcher

    Do they cover stories like ACORN ,the New Black Panther Party and climategate or do they give those issues more importance than they truly deserve to renforce pre-existing fears and predjuctices that their viewers already have? In America it is all about following the money, and we spend more money on war and the military than anything else. Those are realities that are not covered on fox news.

  • Aug. 11, 2010, 8:41 a.m. CST

    No, it isn't based on need

    by The Bicycle Sharer

    Where the fuck did you go to school? You should do some reading. Federal dollars to states are dependent upon a variety of factors, including (in the case of, say, highway funds and others) a complex calculation the byzantine nature of which I have no interest in learning. Furthermore, federal funds to states are also based upon the political "pull" of a particular Senator or Representative and his or her ability to "bring home the bacon."<p>See, the income tax code actually is based on individuals and how much they make while federal apportionment of funds to states ain't. The "blue states" you note are more populous and have more affluent citizens. Therefore, based on the tax code, they pay more. But there is ZERO relationship between voting patterns and money received by a state. If money went back to the states based solely on how much they provided, they'd all be on a 1-1 ratio and so what?<p>And the federal government sure as shit is enabling me to stay home and enjoy the company of you fine folks. I mean, my state unemployment ran out almost six months ago!<p>But, fuck, personally, shit, yeah! Make it a 1-1 ratio for all the states! Get rid of earmarks or anything like it or the ability of congressmen to pull funds into their states. Hell, yeah! (What you thought you "had" me with that argument? That I'd decry it? LOL!)

  • Aug. 11, 2010, 8:42 a.m. CST

    by Vermifax

    Rupert Goebbels & Roger Goebbels probably voted for Obama, anticipating Fox News ratings under O's Administration. Except for Shep Smith. America should nuke that entire network. It's #P2, Bitch!

  • Aug. 11, 2010, 8:43 a.m. CST

    Better yet, Red Ned

    by The Bicycle Sharer

    A flat tax rate, same for everybody AND a 1-1 ratio of expenditures to income in the states!

  • Aug. 11, 2010, 8:46 a.m. CST

    That argument, Red Ned, reminds me...

    by The Bicycle Sharer

    Of the brouhaha between the Repubs and the Dems right now on the Bush tax cuts. "But how are you gonna pay for 'em?" the Dems ask. "What are you gonna cut?" And the stupid Republicans don't offer shit. They say, "Oh, they pay for themselves." Oh, yeah? Well, fuck that shit! If a big-spending liberal acquiesces to tax cuts AND offers to let me cut government, then the answer, for me, is ALWAYS, "Where the fuck do you want me to start? Let's trim this motherfucker down!" Fucking Republicans claim to wanna cut government, but, in fact, when offered the chance, they decline.

  • Aug. 11, 2010, 8:47 a.m. CST

    Doughboy

    by iamnicksaicnsn

    It's not that the Stimulus didn't get the economy going, I mean, you're right, it's not going. But it is somewhat stable. It kept it from complete and utter disaster. What the more liberal economists have been trying to say is that it should have been bigger. They made it smaller so they could get Republican votes. Paul Krugman, whether you agree with him or not he has a Nobel prize so that should make him pretty reputable, predicted pretty much perfectly how the stimulus as it got passed was going to go down. * Not enough money, the economy doesn't really do anything, the Democrats screw themselves and have a VERY difficult midterm election.

  • Aug. 11, 2010, 8:48 a.m. CST

    Oh! Oh!

    by The Bicycle Sharer

    And to even out the score on takers and givers, Red Ned, let's just force the top 10% to move to West Virginia and Alabama! Problem solved.

  • Aug. 11, 2010, 8:49 a.m. CST

    Barack Obama and Al Gore have Nobels, too

    by The Bicycle Sharer

    That don't shit for their reputations in my book.

  • Aug. 11, 2010, 8:49 a.m. CST

    Charles_Corkey_Thatcher

    by Doughboy

    ACORN and the NBPP relate to voter fraud and intimidation. That's a pretty serious issue, or at least that's what libs insisted back in 2000 in Florida. Climategate is also important as it exposed data manipulation and fabrication with regards to the IPCC report. That report was the foundation of everything Al Gore and the global warming alarmists have been pushing for years. If our federal government is going to seriously consider instituting cap-and-trade which could have serious negative ramifications on our economy(just ask Spain if you don't believe me), it would be prudent that they not do so based on false information. Again, I'm just using the left's standards. According to them, falsified data was what got us into Iraq.

  • Aug. 11, 2010, 8:49 a.m. CST

    Bicycle Sharer

    by iamnicksaicnsn

    Isn't it sad? But we know why the Republicans say one thing and do another, they want to ruin the country and blame it on Big Government! That's been the plan since Reagan! Hell, I wish they still had Republicans like Nixon! At least he made the EPA! And I'm pretty sure the Health Care bill that Obama passed wasn't too far off from what Tricky Dick was going for.

  • Aug. 11, 2010, 8:51 a.m. CST

    No matter how far Obama's popularity falls

    by Sonny_Williams

    If the Repubs don't run some decent qualified candidates they'll still lose. Obama got a significant numbers of votes from people who were basically going to vote for anybody but McCain-Palin. Put Sarah at the top of their ticket and they've already lost the election. Right now the Dems are the lesser of two evils, and the Repubs are too stupid to capitalize on this.

  • Aug. 11, 2010, 8:52 a.m. CST

    So, iamnick

    by The Bicycle Sharer

    How is it that Bush "overspent" and "squandered" Clinton's surplus, but Obama's spending is good? How is that again?<p>Hey, I got one for you! How 'bout this: Bush's profligate spending kept us out of an even WORSE hole after the tech bubble collapse and 9/11. In fact, Bush single-handedly "saved" 400 billion jobs... in the first year alone!<p>Fuck Bush and fuck Obama. I'm sick to death of the deficit spending. We've been doing it my entire life (save for maybe two years - and THAT was pure luck) and it makes me wanna puke. Oh, yeah, and fuck Krugman, too.

  • Aug. 11, 2010, 8:53 a.m. CST

    "Barack Obama and Al Gore have Nobels, too"

    by AshokForgiven

    Al Gore won a Nobel Prize for inventing the Internet? Guess what, no one cares. In this day and age, the Nobel Prize is about as prestigious as an MTV Teen Choice Award.

  • Aug. 11, 2010, 8:54 a.m. CST

    Republicans say one thing and do another

    by The Bicycle Sharer

    And so do Democrats. In fact, they claim to be so "different" but when it gets down to governing, they're both about a nickel's difference from each other. Don't believe me? Just go ask one of them detainees or somebody running the warrantless wiretaps.

  • Aug. 11, 2010, 8:55 a.m. CST

    LOL, Ashok

    by The Bicycle Sharer

    My point exactly.

  • Aug. 11, 2010, 8:58 a.m. CST

    slickerynodes, ABC, NBC, and CBS ARE extremely liberal.

    by Coughlins Laws

    It matters not who own them. Look at the anchors they put on air. Look at the things they say. Look at the position's they take. The proof is in the pudding. There are hundreds of examples, if not thousands, depending on how far back you go, of these "objective" journalists taking the liberal position and giving a negative light to the conservative position. It's not even close. The Project for excellence in journalism did a study in the 2008 election for the 6 weeks following the Conventions and found that 57% of McCain stories were negative and only 14% were positive. Meanwhile, stories on Obama were 36% positive and only 29% negative. That comes down to a 50% difference in how the press treated McCain compared to how they treated Obama. The press, as a whole, wanted Obama to win, and it showed in their coverage. I can give you tons of examples. It's really not even debatable that ABC, NBC, CBS, CNN, MSNBC, CNBC, The New York Times, The L.A. Times, The Washington Post, Time Magazine, Newsweek, Yahoo News, AP Newswire, the blogosphere, etc, etc, etc, slant heavily liberal in this country. Yet, you choose to get mad at the one channel that actually puts conservatives on ALONG WITH LIBERALS and try to pretend they're not news. So, do you consider what Chris Matthews, Rachel Maddow, Keith Olbermann, Brian Williams, Katie Couric, Charles Gibson, Anderson Cooper, and George Stepahanopolis to be news? Really?

  • Aug. 11, 2010, 8:58 a.m. CST

    Well, uh, uh, well, uh, Obama is facing..

    by The Bicycle Sharer

    A grave economic crisis! It's horrible! He's GOT to spend, but Bush's spending was bad.<p>Right. That dot com bubble crash in 2000 and the planes hitting the WTC on 9/11 were just little fucking hiccups. No need to deficit spend there. (But I'll give you that war "off-budget" shit. That was ridiculous.)

  • Aug. 11, 2010, 8:59 a.m. CST

    I'm not saying Democrats aren't a problem either.

    by iamnicksaicnsn

    And I'm not trying to make excuses for them by saying "well, they are technically the lesser of two evils" but really, things aren't going to change until we have real campaign finance reform, which the politicians that are currently in right now would never pass, so it's a vicious cycle.

  • Aug. 11, 2010, 9:01 a.m. CST

    Hey look, the rabid Lost haters are also fucked in the head Repu

    by HoboCode

    Coincidence?

  • Aug. 11, 2010, 9:02 a.m. CST

    As for Krugman,

    by iamnicksaicnsn

    the point I was making was that he predicted what was going to happen with the stimulus to the letter. Yes, it's true, the Nobel is seemingly somewhat of a popularity contest, but that doesn't mean he's not a good economist.

  • Aug. 11, 2010, 9:08 a.m. CST

    Tis just in... Liberals have

    by gringito

    small penises.

  • Aug. 11, 2010, 9:08 a.m. CST

    Coughlins Laws

    by DeusExMachina

    Well, if ABC, NBC, CBS, CNN, MSNBC, CNBC, The New York Times, The L.A. Times, The Washington Post, Time Magazine, Newsweek, Yahoo News, AP Newswire, the blogosphere, etc, etc, etc, slant heavily liberal in this country, you can thank Fox News for that. I remember before 9/11, before the wars we are in now, the networks and news organizations didn't lean in any particular way. You had your liberal and conservative reporters, but they kept their political ideologies to themselves. It was all ambiguous. It wasn't until Fox News came around, got as big as it got, and unapologetically leaned to the right.

  • Aug. 11, 2010, 9:10 a.m. CST

    Bicycle Sharer, really? You really think that McCain would

    by Coughlins Laws

    be running $1.6 TRILLION deficits and would have taken over 1/6th of the US economy? Do you really think Mccain would be golfing every other weekend while doing nothing for 60 days while the oil spilled into the Gulf? Would his wife go on a lavish vacation in Europe while McCain's on tv telling us WE have to sacrifice? Dude, there IS a difference between the parties. Don't pretend there isn't.

  • Aug. 11, 2010, 9:13 a.m. CST

    In other 'cool' news...

    by xcornealiousx

    Obama isn't any different than Bush, except hes pushing these agendas quicker, not helping improve foreign relations with our allies, and has seemed to embolden terrorist. Not much good here, after not much good with the last presidency. Can't we get more scoops on 'The Walking Dead'? I come to aintitcool for entertainment news, not hard hitting 'facts' on political tv channels. I'll go to mediaite.com who is willing to slam both liberal AND conservative news channels. Here I want zombie tv articles/of something on that semi-cheesey Event show on NBC this fall.

  • Aug. 11, 2010, 9:16 a.m. CST

    xcornealiousx

    by DeusExMachina

    I totally agree with you.

  • Aug. 11, 2010, 9:17 a.m. CST

    Doughboy

    by Charles_Corkey_Thatcher

    So if they did fudge the numbers on climate research, what is the worst that happens? We get on clean energy a little earlier. Cap and Trade might mean we pay more for energy but think of the money we can save by not going to war? If you add the cost of war to what we pay for fuel it is about 20 dollars per gallon of gas used. How about we develop clean energy. That isnt a lib issue, that is an American issue because it is the best thing for our country. We need to be the ones leading the charge on this and getting bogged down in the details is what holds us back. The scientists need to be honest but the energy companies need to take some of their massive profits and invest in the future which is clean energy. The details in climategate do not change these facts. Also I love how fox conservatives in general complain about government spending when they are the biggest champions of the government's biggest expense, the military. 700 Billion per year. Did you hear on fox that we LOST 8 billion dollars in Afganistan? We spend about 100 billion on welfare, aka 7 times less than the military. Those are facts you will never hear on fox because the military keeps their lights on.

  • Aug. 11, 2010, 9:21 a.m. CST

    So called liberal media bias.

    by HoboCode

    You would think that when just about EVERY news outlet has a supposedly liberal bias that this would be a hint that maybe conservatives are, I don't know, wrong in their views and that perhaps it's the truth that has a liberal slant and it's not some vast left wing conspiracy. But that would require soem thought and self-evaluation and we know that won't happen.

  • Aug. 11, 2010, 9:22 a.m. CST

    Coughlin's Laws

    by hst666

    Please cite some examples of liberal bias in those outlets. If the NYT is so biased why, for example, was coverage of Bush in 2000 more favorable than that of Gore's?

  • Aug. 11, 2010, 9:27 a.m. CST

    You truly are deluded, Casualty Laws

    by HoboCode

    I guess you don't remember when McCain's trophy wife spent nearly A THIRD OF A MILLION DOLLARS just on the dress she wore to RNC? Or the nearly $200,000 dollars Palin expensed to your party and tax payers for her campaign wardrobe?

  • Aug. 11, 2010, 9:27 a.m. CST

    Bike...

    by Red Ned Lynch

    ...at no point did I claim that there was a relationship between the political leanings of a state and how much federal money was earmarked for that state. <p> What I was pointing out was the hypocrisy and ignorance of the populations of those predominately red states, screaming for smaller government while supping so heavily at the federal trough. And remember, any of these red states could refuse the federal dollars. <p> And sure, I'll agree to the notion of a flat tas rate, just so long as all exemptions are removed from the tax code and the flat tax rate is applied to corporate entities as well as individuals. Mind you, I think it would be a mistake, but hey, I would personally benefit from a flat tax rate. <p> Mind you, in the fifties the top marginal tax rate for couples was 91%. That means that for every penny over $300,000 earned in the Eisenhower decade, the decade of the most vigorous and profound growth of this nation, the wealthiest were paying more than nine out of every ten dollars they made above $300,000 to the federal government. I would rather say set that top marginal figure at a million two now and watch the good times roll.

  • Aug. 11, 2010, 9:29 a.m. CST

    Wow, anchorite...

    by DocPazuzu

    ...I've seen you shovel a mean load of horseshit in the past, but that post just might be the funniest contortion I've ever seen from you. <p> As is perfectly obvious from your posts (which are still visible for all to see, by the way), you were trying to score some point off of what I had posted earlier. Since you were too feeble to accomplish that, you're now trying to sell the idea that you were making a point NEXT to mine instead. That is priceless. <p> Only a moron would go to Fox News and post on their boards about how offended they are over the conservative bias in their reporting. By the same token, complaining about a liberal bias on AICN makes you an equally monumental cretin. <p> Either fight over the issues or get your bitch ass out of the kitchen. A person who complains about a site living up to its more or less stated views is an utter imbecile.

  • Aug. 11, 2010, 9:29 a.m. CST

    Bicycle Sharer

    by hst666

    (1) Giving tax breaks to the richest 1% does nothing and there is no corresponding increase in investment (or a very very small one, (2) In the current economic climate the wealthy are not investing it (other than in financial instruments that do not help the economy) or loaning extra money they take in, and (3) the impact of spending by the poor is greater than that by the wealthy.

  • Aug. 11, 2010, 9:29 a.m. CST

    Not To Wish Ill Upon Anyone...

    by MakNeil

    <p>Not to wish ill upon anyone, but if the average Fox viewer is in the eighties, this means that the primary audience for their unique mix of conservative propaganda and lies aren't long for this earth.</p> <p>This is only a good thing for those of us that remain.</p>

  • Aug. 11, 2010, 9:31 a.m. CST

    Hobocode...

    by Red Ned Lynch

    ...I hate the end of Lost. I am not conservative. You are incorrect.

  • Aug. 11, 2010, 9:35 a.m. CST

    The reason why Fox News is so popular

    by DeusExMachina

    It's not like Fox News reinvented the wheel as far as conservative news and opinion goes. Conservative talk radio has always dominated the radio. This quote here, I'm taking from someone else, "The modern conservative is engaged in one of man's oldest exercises in moral philosophy... that is, the search for a superior moral justification for selfishness." Fox News gives conservatives that justification. It's all in one place wrapped in a big pretty red bow. The networks and other news orginizations stayed in the center but that was and is not enough for conservatives.

  • Aug. 11, 2010, 9:37 a.m. CST

    Coughlins Laws is making it personal

    by slickerynodes

    first off.. i'm not mad at Fox... they want to make money. i get that. i didn't pick a side, you did. <P> what's funny is you so want your precious fox news to be the only source of news you'll stamp your feet until it you think you've made your point. <P> and to those bringing up Acorn and the black panther story as real news other stations don't report, it's because those "stories" are as important as the wacky weather with Al.

  • Aug. 11, 2010, 9:37 a.m. CST

    So, DeusExMachina, your theory is that a channel

    by Coughlins Laws

    watched by maybe 5 or 6 million people is the reason that 90% of the rest of the media was FORCED to lean Left? REally? So, why were all these media outlets liberal before 1996? Has it NOT occurred to you that the reason FoxNews has become successful might be because it's next to impossible to get any conservative point of view from any of these other outlets?

  • Aug. 11, 2010, 9:39 a.m. CST

    But Bike...

    by Red Ned Lynch

    ...I do rather agree with you on one thing. Bush presided over the greatest redistribution of wealth in the history of the United States, between the money poured into the hands of private contractors during his faux war on terror, the pour money into the pharmaceutical companies Medicare bill he signed and the TARP bailout. <p> Obama has in very great measure continued that redistribution of wealth, making sure that the insane Bush prohibition against Medicare negotiating prices for drugs was continued, pouring additional billions into the financial sector while refusing to undertake any serious financial reform, and guiding money away from shovel ready infrastructure projects that would help the nation. <p> You know, the second greatest Republican president, Teddy Roosevelt, put into place a series of checks and balances that formed the base of the relationship between business and government in America. It was improved over time, by presidents of both parties. Reagan, Bush, Clinton and Bush almost entirely dismantled that structure and we are currently suffering the predictable consequences of their actions. Obama has not changed that course.

  • Aug. 11, 2010, 9:39 a.m. CST

    Yes Coughlins Laws

    by DeusExMachina

    And you just proved my point.

  • Aug. 11, 2010, 9:43 a.m. CST

    Coughlin

    by Charles_Corkey_Thatcher

    No he said that Conservatives are selfish and they are DESPERATE to find an effective arguement to justify their selfish attitude. Fox provides them with very good arguments as to why selfishness works. However reality is the ultimate judge, look at the recessions that followed Reagan and Bush. Those were not mistakes. They happened because human greed was allowed to take over our finanacial system. The real solution to all of this is for people to look within themselves and realize that greed gets you nothing but an empty hole in your soul.

  • Aug. 11, 2010, 9:43 a.m. CST

    hst666, first of all, the "poor" don't pay income taxes

    by Coughlins Laws

    Second of all, when has a poor person ever created a job? Tell me how you actually think giving a poor person NOT a tax break, a tax credit, is more important to the economy than letting a small business owner keep more of his money so he can expand his business and create jobs?

  • Aug. 11, 2010, 9:44 a.m. CST

    Re: The reason why Fox News is so popular

    by MakNeil

    <p>But you're missing the point, DeusExMachina (cool tag, btw). Fox News doesn't just report news, it literally MAKES IT UP.</p> <p>From whole cloth in some cases.</p> <p>And how many news organizations that you know of have played a large role in the creation of a political movement?</p> <p>The movement I am talking about is the Tea Baggers (and I am aware that calling them "tea baggers" is being contemptuous of them. Though, since they on the whole deserve little else I am OK with that) which Fox News–as well as some very rich and influential conservatives–had much to do with.

  • Aug. 11, 2010, 9:46 a.m. CST

    So, you're claiming greed is the cause of this last recession?

    by Coughlins Laws

    I'd say it's the opposite of greed. Forcing financial institutions to give loans to those unable to pay them back is pretty much NOT greed. It's the government FORCING lenders to not be greedy and make bad business decisions...

  • Aug. 11, 2010, 9:47 a.m. CST

    Fox News being so popular...

    by Red Ned Lynch

    ..is a myth. Less than 1% of the television audience watches Fox News. Less than 1% of the audience watches MSNBC. The difference between those two networks is in the margins of less than 1% of the television audience.

  • Aug. 11, 2010, 9:48 a.m. CST

    So, deusex, you're saying that even though conservatives

    by Coughlins Laws

    make up 40% of the American people, there shouldn't be ANY conservative point of view in the media at all? And you're OK with the fact that even though only 18% of us are liberal, that the liberal point of view should dominate our media? REally?

  • Aug. 11, 2010, 9:50 a.m. CST

    Red Ned Lynch, you're completely right. It's a really small

    by Coughlins Laws

    percentage of the public that gets it's news from Fox News. That's what makes it so funny how so many people get so upset about Fox News, especially when you add up all of the evidence that most of the mainstream media has a liberal slant...

  • Aug. 11, 2010, 9:51 a.m. CST

    No MakNeil

    by DeusExMachina

    What did Obi-Wan say to Luke? "So what I told you was true... from a certain point of view," and "Luke, you're going to find that many of the truths we cling to depend greatly on our own point of view." Fox News is reporting the news, but it is strictly from their point of view on how they see the world and what they see as true.

  • Aug. 11, 2010, 9:52 a.m. CST

    That is the same old excuse

    by Charles_Corkey_Thatcher

    That is fox news 101 Fanny and Freddy were to blame! In reality they did contribute but in a relativly small amount compaired to AIG, Bear Stearns etc. It was the creation of bad loans that were short term profit makers. Those loans gave the loan officers bigger bonuses, even though they knew they couldnt be paid. So yes greed was the cause of the last recession.

  • Aug. 11, 2010, 9:53 a.m. CST

    Makniel, give an example of something being made up out of

    by Coughlins Laws

    "whole cloth". Also, explain why you think it's OK to label millions of Americans as "ball-suckers" simply because you disagree with their politics. You really are a contemptuous human being. You can't debate on facts so you'd rather attack calling names and making broad statements with nothing to back up what you say...

  • Aug. 11, 2010, 9:55 a.m. CST

    Again, deus ex machina, you make broad statements

    by Coughlins Laws

    but I have yet to see you give one example of what you're talking about. Be specific. Writing down the dailykos point of view is not good enough...

  • Aug. 11, 2010, 9:55 a.m. CST

    You guys are wasting your time with Casualty Laws.

    by HoboCode

    It's like talking to a brick wall. Believe me I know. His head is just too far lodged up there.

  • <p>You seem to be right in Fox's target audience, Coughlins Laws, if you don't believe greed was played a huge role in the recession.</p> <p>To say otherwise is to just be disingenuous or misinformed.</p> <p>What you seem to be implying is that it was people (which I mean average folk) being loaned money for things like houses that caused this recession, as opposed to banks and other financial institutions that had way too little oversight and way too much of our money going on spending sprees.</p>

  • Aug. 11, 2010, 10 a.m. CST

    charles corker, give an example of 40% of Americans being

    by Coughlins Laws

    selfish. From what I've seen, conservatives give WAYYY more money to charity than liberals do. Liberals are like Ebeneezer Scrooge. They don't want to give to charity because there are plenty of prisons and union workhouses to support the poor. You want the government to take care of everyone else.

  • Aug. 11, 2010, 10:01 a.m. CST

    "REALITY Has A Liberal Bias." ~ Stephen Colbert

    by LaserPants

    Even "arch-conservative" Stephen Colbert knows the problem isn't that any given network has a liberal bias (I've yet to actually see that -- ALL the Mainstream News Media is, at best, moderate conservative, with the exception of FOX which is SOOOO far to the Right, it makes Hitler blush), it's that REALITY ITSELF has a liberal bias.

  • Aug. 11, 2010, 10:01 a.m. CST

    um...can Colbert be president?

    by yourSTEPDADDY

    I vote for him

  • Aug. 11, 2010, 10:01 a.m. CST

    Have You Ever Driven On A Public Highway?

    by LaserPants

    Then you're socialist.

  • Aug. 11, 2010, 10:02 a.m. CST

    What I am saying Coughlins...

    by DeusExMachina

    Is that it is not enough for conservatives to be content with a in the middle, 50-50 view of the news. They need that justification that their views are in the majority and are correct. Fox News gives them that.

  • Aug. 11, 2010, 10:02 a.m. CST

    Have You Ever Driven On A Public Highway?

    by LaserPants

    Then you're "socialist."

  • Aug. 11, 2010, 10:03 a.m. CST

    Ever Called The Police?

    by LaserPants

    Goddamn "socialist!" How dare you use a resource paid for with tax payer money!

  • Aug. 11, 2010, 10:03 a.m. CST

    Re: Coughlins Laws

    by MakNeil

    <p>Easy. I recall Fox News making a lot of noise over President Obama doing a 'fist bump' with his wife.</p> <p>In fact, if I recall the newscaster–and I used the term loosely–called it a "terrorist fist bump.'</p> <p>Silly, sure. But when you're trying to activate your base a little lie goes a long way.</p> <p>By the way, Coughlins Laws, check your Google because the lies of Fox News are so obvious and easy to find that for me to have to furnish examples clearly shows that either you are ideologically blinded to them, or you very "selectively" view the news.</p> <p>Which, as I have said prior, makes you a perfect viewer for Fox.</p>

  • Aug. 11, 2010, 10:03 a.m. CST

    Hey LaserPants

    by DeusExMachina

    And when you are so far to the right, anyone who is to the left of you is liberal.

  • Aug. 11, 2010, 10:04 a.m. CST

    Makneil, you're wrong. Sorry. I know that The Huffington Post

    by Coughlins Laws

    and the dailykos have convinced you it was greed. You're fine to believe that. I live in the real world. I work in the real world.

  • Aug. 11, 2010, 10:04 a.m. CST

    Do You Support The Military?

    by LaserPants

    WHAAAT?! They're the MOST SOCIALIST AGENCY around! Do you have ANY idea how much of YOUR TAX DOLLARS are used to fund the Military?? And not even to protect our nation, but to protect the business interests of Oil Barons?? GODDAMN SOCIALISTS!

  • Aug. 11, 2010, 10:05 a.m. CST

    Coughlin's Laws...

    by Red Ned Lynch

    ...I know you are not stupid enough to believe what you put in your last post. <p> Lenders make commissions on the loans they approve. <p> AIG stepped in to insure loans that Freddie and Fannie would not, even after the criminal weakening of regulations under Bush, Clinton and Bush. See, there was a demand among the banks to allow them to insure MORE subprime loans, and so AIG stepped in to meet it. In addition, the amount of money the banks were made to hold in reserve to cover their loans was reduced (thanks, deregulation!). <p> The banks and investment firms came up with a system of "Non-Doc" loans (No documentation needed). Basically anybody who could pay 10% down could purchase a home. This drove home prices ridiculously higher. In areas like Florida, Las Vegas, and California, prices of homes were rising over 100% per year. A $500,000 home became a $2,000,000 plus home in less than 2 years. (Based on data from the Office of Federal Housing Enterprise Oversight! Check out their website Just Google "OFHEO". <p> The price of building materials and labor were not increasing at a tenth of this rate. What does economics 101 tell us? Demand wasn't increasing by 200% per year, and the cost of construction wasn't... that leaves home prices being artificially inflated (i.e. manipulated). <p> A.I.G. stepped in to insure these "Non Doc" mortgages. A.I.G. hired the right rating agencies to give the assets high rating. Then they went after the mega-funds that handled the retirement plans and investment funds. They loaded up packages of mortgages, and called them derivatives. They were sold as insured and guaranteed real estate investments.This allowed them to raise billions to loan out on more "Non-Docs.".Derivatives were sold to investment fund managers, retirement fund managers, and anybody with money they could find. The funds grew people made more money and bought more and more all based on inflated paper value of assets. This hybrid Ponzi scheme worked great as long as they kept sucking in more and more investors and money funds. Everybody was happy making money. The money in these funds was used as collateral to buy stocks on margin, gamble on commodity futures, puts, equities, and of course real estate. These money men were and still are the toast of the talk show circuit. They made millions and billions for themselves while sending the honest working people a statement showing them on paper how much their saving accounts, I.R.A.'s and 401ks were worth. (Just like Bernie Madoff of Ponzi Scheme fame.) <p> And like every other Ponzi scheme it eventually collapsed. <p> You can either uncritically listen to people who are lying to you with a political purpose or learn things yourself. <p> I think it's the duty of any patriotic American to do the later, but I guess opinions vary.

  • Aug. 11, 2010, 10:05 a.m. CST

    Simpsons Audience??

    by Potatino

    I thought this post was about the audience for the Simpsons... ahem

  • Aug. 11, 2010, 10:05 a.m. CST

    Oh and Coughlins Laws

    by DeusExMachina

    I don't like dailykos.

  • Aug. 11, 2010, 10:07 a.m. CST

    Do You Support Your Local Fire Department?

    by LaserPants

    OMG! YOU FUCKING SOCIALIST! They pay firemen with tax dollars! GODDAMN COMMIE PINKO! Whyncha go back in time to Soviet Russia, commie!

  • Aug. 11, 2010, 10:07 a.m. CST

    Hobocode writes...

    by Plathismo

    "You would think that when just about EVERY news outlet has a supposedly liberal bias that this would be a hint that maybe conservatives are, I don't know, wrong in their views and that perhaps it's the truth that has a liberal slant and it's not some vast left wing conspiracy." Wow...majority rule, eh? So if a majority of people at any given time think something is a certain way, then that's an indication that they're correct? Really? Okay, then. Remember when the majority of people KNEW the world was flat and at the center of the universe, and only a small minority disagreed? Remember when a majority KNEW that women were inferior to men? Or that dark-skinned people were inferior to light-skinned people? Or that people with neurological conditions were possessed by demons? Or that gay people were an affront to God? [shakes head]

  • Aug. 11, 2010, 10:07 a.m. CST

    Makneil, give me an example of what you're talking about

    by Coughlins Laws

    We can go point by point if you want. I will give you 2 examples of liberal bias or liberal lying from supposedly "unbiased" news.

  • Aug. 11, 2010, 10:08 a.m. CST

    i never said 40% of americans are selfish

    by Charles_Corkey_Thatcher

    i think the attitude of not wanting to help others is selfish. fox news thinks everyone in the world is on an even playing field. this is simply not true. an example of greed is right here...http://www.commondreams.org/headlines05/0831-02.htm Now please give me an example of 90% of the media being FORCED to lean left?

  • Aug. 11, 2010, 10:09 a.m. CST

    And Coughlin...

    by Red Ned Lynch

    ...those aren't Daily Kos talking points. That's the history of the financial disaster. And the funniest/saddest thing of all is that Obama has toed the business conservative line and not passed anything with the kind of meaningful teeth that will keep it from happening again.

  • Aug. 11, 2010, 10:13 a.m. CST

    By The Way, Coughlins Laws

    by MakNeil

    <p>By the way, Coughlins Laws, could you show me where I called anyone "ball-suckers?"</p> <p>Are people being duped by Fox News? Sure they are, but I could swear I haven't once used that phrase.</p> <p>See, witness the "Fox Effect" at work. Take someone's words, twist them entirely out of context, and self-righteously attack them.</p> <p>Sure it's childish and accomplishes nothing, but it makes some of us feel good.</p> <p>By the way, Coughlins Laws, your cluelessness shines bright (like Green Lantern's Light). For example, a popular cause of many conservatives is allowing for the plunder Social Security–which is not as bad off as some would like you to believe.</p> <p>That's not just politics, that's people's lives.</p> <p>The same thing with health care (which, if Obama had the nerve, should have been single-payer) and financial reform,</p>

  • Aug. 11, 2010, 10:13 a.m. CST

    6 ways Fox News distorts the truth

    by HoboCode

    1. Rhetorical Questions. "Is the NAACP racist?", asked Bill O'Reilly last month, leading some viewers to an obvious -- though false -- answer. "Will the [New START Treaty] leave the U.S. defenseless until it's too late?", wondered anchor Megyn Kelly. Rinse. Repeat. Every day.<p> 2. Creating reality by repeated slogans. Fox's anchors and hosts reiterate certain loaded phrases to see if they'll catch on and reframe the political conversation. Sometimes they do, like "death taxes," "death panels" and "climate-gate." Only problem is that none of them existed. (No one pays a tax because they die, though the top two percent do pay an "estate tax"; there were no "get grandma" panels in the health reform law; and five independent studies have cleared British scientists of charges that they manipulated climate data.)<p> 3. Conclusory lies delivered with certainty. To rational minds, facts lead to conclusions -- at Fox News, conclusions lead to 'facts.' The key is that they are said so quickly and confidentially -- think of Limbaugh's theatrical and deep-throated delivery -- that they sound self-evident. Last week Fox hosts authoritatively said that the public opposes both Wall Street re-regulation and a comprehensive immigration reform bill -- but all polls show the opposite. And the Stimulus hasn't created one job - or when that didn't work, it didn't create any private sector jobs... or not very many. (The non-partisan CBO and McCain's economics guru, Mark Zandi, have done careful studies proving how the stimulus created or saved several millions of jobs, which are referred to on Fox about as often as "drill, baby, drill.") 4. Highlight out-of-context aberrations and ignore all contrary data. Did you know that Ted Williams always struck out? I can prove it with a tape only showing his whiffs, not those hits producing a lifetime .344 batting. Did you know that Obama created most of our deficits? Actually, Bush's last budget anticipated a deficit of $1.3 trillion in his successor's first year and America's debt today comes largely from Reagan's and Bush 43's tax cuts and deficits, as David Stockman explained in a New York Times op-ed this week. 5. McCarthyism and Causation. Liberals are evil because... because... in 1969 the Weathermen issued a manifesto suggesting revolution in America, said Glenn Beck on two shows last week. Without serious explanation, this 40-year-old report was somehow linked to Obama and his appointees. In this category of demagoguery go repeated references to Obama as Hitler or a Nazi. Beck did this so often that comedian Lewis Black strung them together on The Daily Show in what he called a medley of Beck's "Hitler Tourette's Syndrome." ((For the very latest spasm, where he accused a Jewish critic of leading people to "death camps," <p> 6. When in doubt, race-bait. This is not to accuse Fox of racism, which is a losing line of argument since, in America today, it appears to be worse to call someone a racist than to be one. And it turns on motive, which no one other than the speaker can really know. What we do know is that Fox relishes going after minority leaders and groups -- from Sotomayor's "wise Latina" off-hand comment becoming her life story, to ACORN which was never charged with anything, Van Jones who never signed a 9/11 conspiracy petition, and two weirdos in Philly supposedly discouraging white voters and purporting to be members of the previously unknown New Black Panther Party. Maybe they did and maybe they were. Some 50 Fox segments highlighted these two black guys -- or about 50 more than the number of segments about suppression of black voters the prior decade.

  • Aug. 11, 2010, 10:14 a.m. CST

    If You Use ANY Public Service, You're A Socialist

    by LaserPants

    If you're wondering if you're actually a socialist, here is a handy, partial list of some commie / pinko / socialist institutions you may or may not use or support to determine how much of a socialist you are:<br><br> Public roads, public utilities, public schools, public libraries, public pools, public beaches, the Armed Forces, Police Departments, Fire Departments, colleges, college sports teams, NASA, The Lawrence Livermore Institute, DARPA which created the internet, The Hoover Dam, Medicare, Social Security, ALL public roads, road signs, traffic lights, the FDA, the EPA, veteran’s hospitals, 911 service, Medicare, Medicaid, unemployment insurance, section 8 housing, food stamps, The Kennedy Center for the Performing Arts, the Smithsonian Institute, opera houses, and just about every other institution that you can think of that’s funded or maintained by taxpayer money.<br><br>If you use, take advantage, or otherwise support any of these (and this is just a partial list), then you're a socialist. Period.<br><br>Pause as every right wing nut sputters in impotent rage, crippled by their inability to discern their bizarro theocratic apocalyptic fantasies from REALITY.

  • Aug. 11, 2010, 10:15 a.m. CST

    Redo: 6 ways Fox News distorts the truth

    by HoboCode

    1. Rhetorical Questions. "Is the NAACP racist?", asked Bill O'Reilly last month, leading some viewers to an obvious -- though false -- answer. "Will the [New START Treaty] leave the U.S. defenseless until it's too late?", wondered anchor Megyn Kelly. Rinse. Repeat. Every day.<p> 2. Creating reality by repeated slogans. Fox's anchors and hosts reiterate certain loaded phrases to see if they'll catch on and reframe the political conversation. Sometimes they do, like "death taxes," "death panels" and "climate-gate." Only problem is that none of them existed. (No one pays a tax because they die, though the top two percent do pay an "estate tax"; there were no "get grandma" panels in the health reform law; and five independent studies have cleared British scientists of charges that they manipulated climate data.)<p> 3. Conclusory lies delivered with certainty. To rational minds, facts lead to conclusions -- at Fox News, conclusions lead to 'facts.' The key is that they are said so quickly and confidentially -- think of Limbaugh's theatrical and deep-throated delivery -- that they sound self-evident. Last week Fox hosts authoritatively said that the public opposes both Wall Street re-regulation and a comprehensive immigration reform bill -- but all polls show the opposite. And the Stimulus hasn't created one job - or when that didn't work, it didn't create any private sector jobs... or not very many. (The non-partisan CBO and McCain's economics guru, Mark Zandi, have done careful studies proving how the stimulus created or saved several millions of jobs, which are referred to on Fox about as often as "drill, baby, drill.")<p> 4. Highlight out-of-context aberrations and ignore all contrary data. Did you know that Ted Williams always struck out? I can prove it with a tape only showing his whiffs, not those hits producing a lifetime .344 batting. Did you know that Obama created most of our deficits? Actually, Bush's last budget anticipated a deficit of $1.3 trillion in his successor's first year and America's debt today comes largely from Reagan's and Bush 43's tax cuts and deficits, as David Stockman explained in a New York Times op-ed this week. <p> 5. McCarthyism and Causation. Liberals are evil because... because... in 1969 the Weathermen issued a manifesto suggesting revolution in America, said Glenn Beck on two shows last week. Without serious explanation, this 40-year-old report was somehow linked to Obama and his appointees. In this category of demagoguery go repeated references to Obama as Hitler or a Nazi. Beck did this so often that comedian Lewis Black strung them together on The Daily Show in what he called a medley of Beck's "Hitler Tourette's Syndrome." ((For the very latest spasm, where he accused a Jewish critic of leading people to "death camps." <p> 6. When in doubt, race-bait. This is not to accuse Fox of racism, which is a losing line of argument since, in America today, it appears to be worse to call someone a racist than to be one. And it turns on motive, which no one other than the speaker can really know. What we do know is that Fox relishes going after minority leaders and groups -- from Sotomayor's "wise Latina" off-hand comment becoming her life story, to ACORN which was never charged with anything, Van Jones who never signed a 9/11 conspiracy petition, and two weirdos in Philly supposedly discouraging white voters and purporting to be members of the previously unknown New Black Panther Party. Maybe they did and maybe they were. Some 50 Fox segments highlighted these two black guys -- or about 50 more than the number of segments about suppression of black voters the prior decade.

  • Aug. 11, 2010, 10:17 a.m. CST

    Red Ned Lynch, there are a number of videos on the

    by Coughlins Laws

    internet showing Barney Frank defending Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac, saying there's NO housing bubble and stopping Republicans in committee from trying to regulate them. Republicans were incapable of stopping the silly practice of giving loans to those who couldn't afford to. Fannie and Freddie were FORCED to make these loans. Barney Frank, Chris Dodd, Maxine Waters, and their ilk forced it to happen. The evidence is all over. It's not really debatable...

  • Aug. 11, 2010, 10:20 a.m. CST

    Red Ned

    by The Bicycle Sharer

    We might be in agreement on something here! Imagine that. ;-)<p>But I don't just lay it at the feet of Bush. Or Clinton. Or Reagan. I blame both parties for the decline of the middle class. Thom Hartmann, whom I disagree with on a lot of shit, nailed it 100% on MSNBC this morning. The middle class, he said (and I agree) is vanishing because we don't MAKE anything in this country anymore. Steel, durable goods, tech goods, drugs, you name it, we outsourced everything for "free trade" and "cheap labor" and "one world-ism" and now we're reaping the whirlwind in stagnant wages and a declining middle class. Fuck 'em both! Let's start some fucking protectionism and get back to making shit in the good ol' US of A! Let's compete FAIRLY with other countries (and more power to those other countries, by the way) instead of handicapping US industry and American jobs.

  • Aug. 11, 2010, 10:23 a.m. CST

    So you are...

    by Red Ned Lynch

    ..responding to a post filled with actually verifiable facts...I even flat out gave you one of the places you needed to go... <p> ...by talking about Barney Frank. <p> Read my post. AIG insured over one hundred billion dollars in loans that neither Fannie nor Freddie would, even with the weakened regulations passed by Clinton and the Georges. <p> And they packaged them as derivatives and sold them to every fund manager they could find as guaranteed. <p> These are facts, Coughlin. Verifiable facts. On record facts. <p> And you respond with that lame Fox bullshit that is based on anecdotal nonsense. <p> But I'll give you this: Chris Dodd should be prosecuted for his role in this, right along with a whole bunch of other Democrats... <p> ...and the army of Republicans they helped enable to bankrupt our nation. <p> Like I said, Coughlin, real patriots educate themselves. You need to do it on this issue, assuming of course, that you don't already know these easily available facts and aren't just putting your politics ahead of your nation.

  • Aug. 11, 2010, 10:25 a.m. CST

    Bike...

    by Red Ned Lynch

    ...I rather suspect we agree on more than just that. And I imagine we could have pretty good dust-ups on the things we don't. That's how it works when you try to find stuff out.

  • Aug. 11, 2010, 10:26 a.m. CST

    Hobocode, every one of your "examples"

    by The Bicycle Sharer

    Applies equally to CNN, MSNBC, and the rest of the mainstream media. They all do it. So, I'm happy to watch 'em all and evaluate "truth" based on my own good judgment.<p>Politicians, for the most part, left, right, and center, are about one thing: power. Republicans wanna control social issues and limit freedom, Democrats wanna control economic issues and limit freedom, and the middle wavers between the two. Fuck 'em all. Give ME (and YOU) power. Let us reap the benefits and bear the consequences of our decisions and stay the fuck outta our lives - both social, economic, and other.

  • Aug. 11, 2010, 10:26 a.m. CST

    Hey HoboCode, speaking of Glenn Beck and his love of comparing O

    by DeusExMachina

    as Hitler or a Nazi... It's funny that on his radio show in June, he endorsed a book called "The Red Network," by Elizabeth Dilling that came out in 1934. Who was Elizabeth Dilling? Oh, she was anti-communist, but she was also a anti-semite. Not only that, but a sympathizer and supporter of the Nazis and Hitler. And Beck promoted this book of hers on his show.

  • Aug. 11, 2010, 10:28 a.m. CST

    Bike...

    by Red Ned Lynch

    ...real Republicans don't give a hot damn about social issues. That's just the tiger they climbed on to give them an electoral chance. But you know historically how those Faustian bargains tend to work out.

  • Aug. 11, 2010, 10:30 a.m. CST

    The Bicycle Sharer

    by DeusExMachina

    I can totally agree with that. We don't make shit anymore. Gone are the days where you can get a job busting your ass, making something that benefits the country, and be able to afford a home and send your kids to college. All of those jobs are gone and that's the real thing we should all be bitching about.

  • Aug. 11, 2010, 10:30 a.m. CST

    By The Way, Coughlins Laws

    by MakNeil

    <p>By the way, Coughlins Laws, why are you blaming the victim, in the case of the recession?</p> <p>No one claims that the housing bubble didn't play a role (and by the way, could you point me to where there's evidence of "Republicans in committee from trying to regulate them.")</p> <p>I get the feeling that last part is little more than wish fulfillment.</p> <p>But to exclude the effect of the rampant greed that played an even greater role–remember AIG? Bears Sterns?–is clearly very selective recall.</p>

  • Aug. 11, 2010, 10:30 a.m. CST

    Lewis Black Glen Beck Nazi video

    by Charles_Corkey_Thatcher

    Glen Beck uses more Nazi footage than the history channel...awesome! http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KZ0mdxXw8Ac

  • Aug. 11, 2010, 10:31 a.m. CST

    Thanks Bicycle.

    by HoboCode

    I forgot #7. The "they all do it" excuse. No, they don't, at least not as consistently and strategically.

  • Aug. 11, 2010, 10:33 a.m. CST

    LOL!

    by The Bicycle Sharer

    I hear that, Red. Honestly, though, I just wanna end the blame game (Repub and Dem) and just institute some fucking policies that keeps government outta things like marriage (I'm against ANY state sanctioned union/contract between ANY two individuals - gay, straight, or whatever), create a baseline of social net safeguards (while limiting the ability of people like myself to abuse them), and only spend what we take in (this includes fucking wars, social security, and everything else). I want the federal government out of the drug war (leave the legality or illegality of drugs up to the states). I want the fed enforcing the borders and encouraging a sane immigration policy that serves American interests without abusing the rights of illegals by using them for "cheaper produce" or construction or whatever. I want a flat fucking tax (with a baseline deduction for individuals and their dependents); after that, everybody pays the same - no fucking loopholes and carve-outs, not for rich folks or "social/economic" policy - a flat-fucking rate.

  • Aug. 11, 2010, 10:35 a.m. CST

    The Bicycle Sharer Is Right

    by MakNeil

    <p>The bicycle sharer is right. America has done more to export jobs in the name of trade and trade pacts than the Chinese have ever done.</p> <p>And don't get me started on the whole intellectual property debate.</p> <p>We aught to start protecting American industries, and begin creating jobs here, as opposed to places like China.</p>

  • Aug. 11, 2010, 10:35 a.m. CST

    See...

    by Red Ned Lynch

    ...outside of the flat tax I agree with everything you just wrote.

  • Aug. 11, 2010, 10:37 a.m. CST

    one more thing bicycle sharer

    by Charles_Corkey_Thatcher

    i completely agree with everything you say, i would only add spending less money on our military to the wish list. there is no need to spend more than every other nation in the world COMBINED on our military. it is just insane.

  • Aug. 11, 2010, 10:37 a.m. CST

    Hobocode you are awesome

    by NeverTalksBack

    I don't have the patience to do what you are doing, excellent job expressing your points.

  • Aug. 11, 2010, 10:41 a.m. CST

    Social issues, Red Ned?

    by The Bicycle Sharer

    Depends on what you mean by "real Republicans." See, I base my opinions of both parties on their stated platforms, year to year. That eliminates the vagaries of hypocrisy between individuals within each party. And that way I don't have to use phrases like "real Republicans" or "real Democrats." ;-) I just look at what the party platforms profess. Ayn Rand had a pretty analogy for the Republicans and the Democrats - Attila and the Witch Doctor, one wants to control you through the moral/invisible world (abortion, gay marriage, etc.) while the other wants to control you through the physical world (money, taxes, etc.). Bottom line, to me, is that they both want to control you. Like I've said, I'm a pretty conservative guy socially, a libertarian otherwise. But even that social conservatism is more a "states" and "personal" issue. I think, for instance, that the fed ought to stay the hell out of drug policy and marriage. Leave drugs up to the states. Keep states out of "approving" of some unions while denying others - marriage is a social/religious issue and none of the damned government's business who I shack up with.

  • Aug. 11, 2010, 10:42 a.m. CST

    And yes...

    by Red Ned Lynch

    ...how anyone who has ever read a history book...or even seen one in a store sometime...could approve of a "guest worker" program is insane. It's like (in this case both Pubs and Dems, but more Dems) sat down and tried to figure out what the very worst and most destructive course of action would be. <p> Hey, let's create a permanent underclass. They'll work jobs on the lowest rungs of society with no reasonable hope of advancement and never be allowed access to the political system of the nation in which they're living. <p> 'Cause that can't help but work out just fine. I mean, what could go wrong? <p> Double legal immigration from Latin America. Triple it. Quadruple it. I don't care, I'm for anyone who really wants to be an American, with all that it entails, being one. But no indentured servants. No permanent underclass of foreign nationals. It is an abuse of them and a danger to our Republic.

  • Aug. 11, 2010, 10:44 a.m. CST

    Crichton's Rising Sun

    by The Bicycle Sharer

    Changed my opinion of the Republicans on the whole "free trade"/building things here argument. Reagan, Bush, Clinton, and Bush screwed the fucking pooch on American industry.

  • Aug. 11, 2010, 10:45 a.m. CST

    Hercules...

    by ccchhhrrriiisssm

    I don't have a problem with you having "politics..."<p>...IF you actually based it upon something other than popular propaganda rhetoric released in "talking points" by the DNC, Howard Dean and the Huffington Post. </p> Otherwise, your "politics" is based on nothing more than leftist hearsay released by folks who hope that the morons will believe and repeat it.

  • Aug. 11, 2010, 10:46 a.m. CST

    Wow!

    by HapaPapa72

    Awesome movie news. Or is this under comics?

  • Aug. 11, 2010, 10:47 a.m. CST

    Bike...

    by Red Ned Lynch

    ...can't do that with marriage because of things like veteran's pensions, social security and on and on, and those issues hit on both the state and federal level. Drugs are perhaps a bit more suited for that approach, but the economics of especially the softer illegal substances would probably create a domino effect anyway. Casinos, casinos, casinos.

  • Aug. 11, 2010, 10:49 a.m. CST

    Hear, hear, Red Ned!

    by The Bicycle Sharer

    On your illegal immigration stance! Fuck this exploitation of illegals. Make 'em come legally (in whatever numbers we suss out), make 'em pay taxes, and make employers pay 'em a comparable fucking wage. This heinous argument from the left re: illegal immigration ("oh, so you WANT to pay $10 for a head of lettuce") is outrageous. And stunning from a party that professes to be for the "little guy." Fuck, man, I love Mexicans. I speak Spanish (poorly, but nonetheless...). I watch Telemundo and Galavision quite often. I got some great friends who are Mexicans. I want the best from those guys. And that DOESN'T include having them exist in a shadow economy for the exploitation of business. Same goes for any Republican asshole who doesn't want to punish businesses that hire illegals. Exploitative assholes, both parties!

  • Aug. 11, 2010, 10:50 a.m. CST

    I wish that I could stay here and debate...

    by ccchhhrrriiisssm

    ...but I have to get to work. <p>I mean, SOMEONE has to pay higher taxes that will pay for those social welfare bones that are traded for votes by Pelosi, Reid, Barney Frank and Barry "Its Not My Fault" Obama. </p> Don't worry: I will work hard to give nearly half of my paycheck to feed, clothe and house many of the TBers here who don't even understand political policy but argue about it anyway.

  • Aug. 11, 2010, 10:50 a.m. CST

    Hobocode, here's your answers...

    by Coughlins Laws

    1. When Shirley Sherrod was telling her "I used to be racist 20 years ago, but now I'm not story", the audience was laughing and showed approval of her not helping a white farmer. Sounded pretty racist to me...<p>2. Really? There's no death tax? So, giving half your accumulated wealth to the government, even though you've been paying taxes your whole life, and NOT being able to pass it on to your children ISN'T a death tax? Sure sounds like it to me. "Death Panel"- So, a government agency deciding who gets health coverage and who doesn't, causing some people to die, ISN'T a death panel? What else would you call it? Barack Obama himself, in a Town Hall Meeting, told a woman that sometimes it's best to "give Grandma a painpill" instead of allowing her life extending surgery. Sorry if the term offends you, pussy. I guess the way Obama put it should be what we talk about. Just give Grandma a pain pill. "Climate-Gate"- First of all, FoxNews is DEFINITELY not the only news agency that adds "-gate" at the end of any scandal. To single them out is dishonest and silly. But if you don't think it's a story that the "TOP" Climate-Change alarmists have been shown to have docotored test results and flat out lied, well, I guess you can just go ahead and take the ass-rape, debilitating taxes that are coming to transfer money from America to the rest of the world, based on what we now know has been the biggest scam in world history...<p>Anyway, the point is, EVERY news agency on TV puts up sensational headlines to grab people's attentions. It is extremely disingenous and dishonest to try and make the point that only FoxNews does that.<p>3. Conclusory lies- You mean like how MSNBC and just about every major new outlet reported lies about the Arizona Immigration Law, that hadn't even taken effect yet? These "news" organizations repeated over and over again that cops could stop anyone who looked illegal and ask for proof of citizenship. This is a complete and utter lie. It didn't/doesn't say that. You have to have already been detained for committing another crime. MSNBC has repeated this lie DOZENS of times. This isn't an opinion. It is fact. The law DOES NOT SAY you they can do that. As far as stimulus jobs created, there have been 4.3 million jobs lost since Obama became President. The so-called stimulus cost $800 BILLION. Unemployment was NOT supposed to go over 8% if we passed the stimulus. It's been hovering at about 10% for a year and a half now. So tell me, how many jobs have we gotten since Obama took office that aren't government jobs or temporary jobs? By every objective account, the stimulus has bee a collosal failure.<p>4. Bush's last deficit before Democrats took over spending in 2007 was $400 BILLION. 2009's budget included the one time only TARP package. If you take that out, the deficit was below $600 BILLION. Let me let you in on a little secret, an OP-ED is OPINION, it is NOT fact. I can show you just as many economists who will tell you that Reagan's tax cuts in 1981 increased revenue to the treasury by over hundreds of billions of dollars. Out of control spending is what has caused our deficits, NOT tax cuts. In fact, if you take out the Iraq and Afghanistan wars, Bush has had almost a balanced budget his entire term in office. Don't try to re-write history and present an economists OPINION as fact.<p>5. First of all, I can give you hundreds of more examples of liberals comparing Bush to Hitler than you can give me of conservatives comparing Obama to Hitler, if you really want to get into it. Second of all, I'd like for you to give me all the examples of conservatives calling Obama evil on FoxNews.<p>6. You can't even be serious, can you? The liberals in this country have called Republicans and conservatives racist over almost every single issue that comes up when you attack Obama on his policies. You have to be joking, right? Liberals see skin-color and attach it to everything. You have just admitted in your little piece here that you can't criticize minorities, because, well, why? Why can't someone point out a racist comment by Sotomayer? If a white judge said the equivalent of what she said, that a white man is smarter than a Latina woman, he wouldn't be on the Supreme Court. This is a fact and you know it. As far as Van Jones, who gives a shit what his skin-color is. He's a fucking admitted Communist. 20 years ago, that would have been enough to get rid of him.

  • Aug. 11, 2010, 10:51 a.m. CST

    Red Ned

    by The Bicycle Sharer

    Veteran's pensions, social security, and so on, are easy fixes. Get government, state and federal, out of the business of deciding who's an acceptable beneficiary and who ain't. Those should accrue on the federal and state level to who the fuck ever you say they go to. Period. Married, unmarried, unioned, or what the fuck ever, those benefits go to whomever I (or you) designate. Period.

  • Aug. 11, 2010, 10:54 a.m. CST

    If the states are ought of the sanctioning business...

    by The Bicycle Sharer

    And so is the federal government, then we make all government benefits accrue to the designee or we just make 'em individual (i.e., individual dies and so does his or her benefits).

  • Aug. 11, 2010, 10:55 a.m. CST

    That's...

    by The Bicycle Sharer

    If the states are OUT of the sanctioning business. Not OUGHT.

  • Aug. 11, 2010, 10:55 a.m. CST

    Well I'd love that...

    by Red Ned Lynch

    ...but it's only easy if you exclude the politics.

  • Aug. 11, 2010, 10:59 a.m. CST

    On the drug issue, by the way

    by The Bicycle Sharer

    I love how one of the arguments for legalization is that we can tax pot (or whatever). Until somebody wants to do it, that is. Somewhere in northern Cali (San Francisco, maybe, I can't remember) floated the idea of taxing pot shops. Guess what happened. The pot shops screamed bloody murder and said, "Oh, but you're taxing the 'sick.'" LMAO! That pro-legalization argument works real well until it actually happens then it's "ohs, noes, not us!" (I live in Cali and, trust me, that shit is CRAZY used for more than just 'sickness.' I got a couple of friends with prescriptions whose worst ailment is their lack of any motivation, ambition, or drive.)

  • Aug. 11, 2010, 11 a.m. CST

    The truth about American Elections

    by erykthedead

    If real power changed hand in the American bloodless revolutions they wouldn't be bloodless. It always amazes me how so many young liberals with open minds aren't .

  • Aug. 11, 2010, 11 a.m. CST

    The truth about American Elections

    by erykthedead

    If real power changed hand in the American bloodless revolutions they wouldn't be bloodless. It always amazes me how so many young liberals with open minds aren't .

  • Aug. 11, 2010, 11 a.m. CST

    Cylon conspiracy, you're a decent guy

    by leo54304

    Check my posts on the Palin thread. Did it after you left. PS another good republican senator I liked was Chuck Hagel from Nebraska.

  • Aug. 11, 2010, 11 a.m. CST

    Red

    by The Bicycle Sharer

    These are just my ideals. Of course, no way are they ever gonna happen. Thanks to politics, of course.

  • Aug. 11, 2010, 11:01 a.m. CST

    Hm... Herc...

    by BizarroJerry

    "It also means the majority of Fox News viewers are eligible for that sinister lynchpin of American socialism, Social Security. " Um, then shouldn't said old viewers be Democrats? Traditionally, the Republicans are the evil people trying to steal their social security check.

  • Aug. 11, 2010, 11:04 a.m. CST

    Hey, I got a "fix" for social security, too

    by The Bicycle Sharer

    You can't collect more than you put in. Bet that one'll go over like a lead zeppelin, huh? Social security is just income redistribution from the young to the old. Always has been. And, after 70 or 80 years, it's become a crutch that we can't take away or reduce.

  • Aug. 11, 2010, 11:05 a.m. CST

    Old Glory

    by BizarroJerry

    That is a great sketch.

  • Aug. 11, 2010, 11:07 a.m. CST

    Wow, a sane discussion that chastises both sides?

    by SK229

    Agree wholeheartedly with Sharer, Red Lynch, etc. But agree is the wrong word... more like acknowledge the facts. However, I'm finding it harder and harder to believe that this world is not fucked. I can't put my finger on it... it's just a general stupidity level, lack of rational thinking, the death of considered, articulate and independent thought (for which I think t.v., the internet, and a profit-driven news media are primarily responsible), and also... I never realized how deeply ingrained racism and xenophobia are in this country until Obama became president. On the flip side, race clouds those thinking from a POV of 'white liberal guilt' as well... to them he can do no wrong. To the other side he can do no right. And the media continues to whip people into a reactionary frenzy until we're left with the extremes. Extremes lead to Nazi Germany and the Stalinist Soviet Union. Imagine if Hitler had his own news channel? The holocaust would have happened that much faster... sadly, in the last year, I've heard people I thought were otherwise sane suggest that they can't believe nothing harmful has happened to the president yet. As though they'd hoped something would happen. Everyone is a little racist or prejudiced now and then, but I think this comes from a deep insecurity on the part of 'ordinary' Americans that their way of life is disappearing, that there's no more opportunity for their children, and that some 'they' is taking over. Of course, they're right, in a way, but totally scapegoating based upon race rather than class. Economic policies have ruined this country and a lot of people are getting rich off of it. Corporations and investment banks are basically plundering America's resources and don't give a fuck about the very segment and upwards mobility that FOSTERS the success of those same corporations - like Sharer said, it's the MIDDLE CLASS. It's fucking GONE. <p>And meanwhile, while one side would let every corporation ship jobs overseas to save a dime per share while thousands of workers go unemployed, the other side wants all of us to prop up a ridiculously complicated and over-funded public sphere. There is simply TOO MUCH PROFLIGATE SPENDING IN GOVERNMENT. They want to raise taxes when people still can't afford the old ones. And for what? More public workers to do less... needlessly complicated state and federal governments full of cronyism, high paying pensions, early retirement... you know, the kind of stuff you used to be virtually guaranteed in the private sphere. I could go on forever... but needless to say, both sides only care about one thing - staying in power. Neither wants a two-party system anymore... the Dems took it 'there' when Bush was president and now they're getting paid back for it - the result? We all lose. And Obama is nothing more than a Chicago politician, plain and simple. He can't go on blaming Bush forever... and he'll probably one-term. I shudder to think, however, what his replacement will be. We're in the middle of a dialectic that's going to keep swinging to extremes until there's nothing left and the rest of the world just sees as an aging, useless liability. Then you'll really see some fireworks. <p>And please, if someone can tell me how this WONT' be the scenario, and I'm dead wrong, PLEASE convince me otherwise. I just feel this pervasive sense of doom when I look around today... there are apparently a lot of level-headed, intelligent people but none of them seem to be seeking election and the fucking increasingly moronic electorate wants to turn everything, especially independent thought, into an extreme right or extreme left view. Anything else is cognitive dissonance to them... it confuses their signals and they start sputtering like rabid, reactionary, chortling dogs. Jesus wept...

  • Aug. 11, 2010, 11:07 a.m. CST

    The Bicycle Sharer

    by HarryBlackPotter

    Where was I for Gulf I? That's Gulf ONE, yeah? Lke ‘Part One’ of the trilogy of “The American Death-Dealers” – or something. Man, it's been so long since the shock and awe of that instalment (“Pax Americana at it most tumescent” Roger Ebert called it) I'd almost forgotten about it. But I must have me some old vhs copies of CNN and the BBC war reports around the place. I think I'll have a Gulf I & II weekend; get some oil for my guns and draw the blinds and spank the monkey to the sight of Baghdad aflame. You are a true patriot for reminding me, Bicycle boy. God bless you.

  • Aug. 11, 2010, 11:09 a.m. CST

    makneil, the point is, to try and blame the recession on

    by Coughlins Laws

    one person, when the natural business cycle gives us a 6-12 month recession every 6 years or so, it dishonest and just silly. In capitalism, corrections happen all the time when our economy overexpands. However, capitalism is better for society and the human spirit than socialism ever can be. It's our system. President's don't have as much absolute power as alot of people give them credit for. There's little they can do to stop an inevitable recession. They can do things to prolong them, but so much overreaching goes on on both sides. It's pretty ridiculous...

  • Aug. 11, 2010, 11:09 a.m. CST

    Bike...

    by Red Ned Lynch

    ...tax pot the same as smokes, at least for "non-medicinal". <p> Although I must admit...and I understand intellectually that legalizing drugs would be a net win for the country...beyond the soft illegals I would have a very hard time accepting it. I grew up in downtown Kansas City during the 70s and 80s, and...I would have a really hard time accepting it.

  • Aug. 11, 2010, 11:10 a.m. CST

    Awesome...Politics...

    by SRhea

    Don't we get enough political commentary elsewhere? Why do we have to put it here too? I don't think I understand how this is an appropriate topic for this venue?

  • Aug. 11, 2010, 11:17 a.m. CST

    SRhea, it isn't. Herc is an idiot for doing this...

    by Coughlins Laws

    That is all...

  • Aug. 11, 2010, 11:17 a.m. CST

    No ones talking about lobbyists?

    by leo54304

    Last year the chamber of commerce spent $140 million lobbying congress. This coming election year they plan to spend over $40 millon on advertising to support their positions. Its insane.

  • Aug. 11, 2010, 11:19 a.m. CST

    Coughlin and SRhea you guys are right

    by leo54304

    Harry should skip any political related topic. That and Polanski.

  • Aug. 11, 2010, 11:20 a.m. CST

    Libertarians are cute and all...

    by iamnicksaicnsn

    but if you really think about it, their world-view is just as idealistic as anything they claim the left to be. <p> Do you really think there could be a world where companies live and die based on their popularity, and that if there was no oversight they wouldn't find some way to screw us? And that even if they were somehow caught (because without regulators or some kind of over-sight, they probably never would be), it would happen timely enough to actually repair the damage they had done? </p> <p> I mean, I know our system is slow to fix things like that, but in a totally deregulated world it would be insanity. </p> <p> A country as big as the United States could never maintain a functioning country with complete Libertarianism, the same way it couldn't with hard-core Conservatism or hard-core Liberalism. There has to be a balance, and I don't just mean shooting for the middle, I mean taking the best ideas out of each ideology and applying them rationally and intelligently. Doesn't really seem like something that can happen in this day-and-age where money rules all. </p>

  • Aug. 11, 2010, 11:21 a.m. CST

    I'm gonna watch the avengers clip again, never gets old

    by leo54304

    Diana Rigg as Emma Peel always satisfys.

  • Aug. 11, 2010, 11:25 a.m. CST

    "If You Use ANY Public Service, You're A Socialist"

    by AshokForgiven

    Actually, most public services are ENUMERATED POWERS according to the US Constitution. The military, post office, etc. is not socialism. It is the governments mandated JOB to provides these services to the nation. <br><br> When the government steps outside the lines of its Constitutional enumerated powers (i.e. Government Motors), then you are moving towards flat out socialism.

  • Aug. 11, 2010, 11:25 a.m. CST

    Casualty

    by HoboCode

    1. Watch the full tape. no laughing. You are misinformed.<p> 2. The estate tax is for the richest 1 PERCENT of people. God forbid the already over-privledged children of some oil tycoon or media/software mogul have to pay taxes on free money that is new income for them.<p> 3. I have no opinion on this matter except to say that I think the law is poorly written and will lead to just as many legal immigrants being harassed by local police. And Obama has been saving jobs even thouhg growth in new jobs has been slow.<p> 4. Reagonmics has alrewd ybeen proved not to work. End of story. the only way fro the money t otrickle down is to pry it out of their cold dead hands in the form of an estate tax.<p> 5. Yes many liberals compared Bush to Hitler, but I don't recall any of them being elected or prominent officials. <p> 6. Fox News routinely slanders obama as a socilaist and a detriment to this country that will be "destroyed" under his policies. Maybe they don't call him evil directly, they just leave that t otheir guests.

  • Aug. 11, 2010, 11:29 a.m. CST

    Of course, the elderly's greatest threat...

    by DeweyOxburger

    ...robots.

  • Aug. 11, 2010, 11:31 a.m. CST

    Doing some math here

    by moviemaniac-7

    In two years Fox won't have any viewers left, on average...

  • Aug. 11, 2010, 11:33 a.m. CST

    i can hear clint

    by JaredP

    saying get off my lawn

  • Aug. 11, 2010, 11:38 a.m. CST

    Leo...

    by Red Ned Lynch

    ...the smartest person here has made the truest statement.

  • Aug. 11, 2010, 11:40 a.m. CST

    RUPERT MURDOCH IS SATAN!!!!

    by JaredP

    thay said if murdoch thought he could make a lot of money by turning fox into a liberal organization hed do it at the drop of a hat

  • Aug. 11, 2010, 11:44 a.m. CST

    i love it when keith olbermann

    by JaredP

    does the worst persons in the world on his show and most of them are glenn beck ann coulter and rush limbaugh

  • Aug. 11, 2010, 11:45 a.m. CST

    Yeah, Rupert...

    by Red Ned Lynch

    ...where's our page three, Rupert? Where's our page three?

  • Aug. 11, 2010, 11:47 a.m. CST

    Fuck Conservatives

    by PeanutButterSlut

    Fucking Repubtards are stuck in the fucking past, holding onto their values and $ and not accepting change. <p> My BIGGEST gripe is WHY IS POT ILLEGAL? Just because you like your Martini's and thing pot is for hippies and won't expand your mind, any, doesn't mean you hae to persecute a large demographic of US citizens by jailing and fining us and outcasting us from society(!?) <p> Fuck you you fucking conservative assholes. Let me have my freedom!!!!!!!! I'm tired of smoking in the shadows.

  • Aug. 11, 2010, 11:48 a.m. CST

    Dude Coughlins Laws

    by iamnicksaicnsn

    You're so drinking the kool-aid on some of the stuff it's mind-boggling. <p> 1. Shirley Sherrod's father was killed by a White farmer. You don't think it would take her a while to get over that? No one's saying she was justified in screwing over that White family, but at least she had the balls to admit she made a mistake. </p> <p> 2. As far as the "Death Panel" thing goes, the idea that the government really would have taken that kind of power is absurd, especially considering that's what the private health insurance companies do RIGHT NOW. How many stories can you find where people who were good regular Joes who'd paid their insurance only to find when they got some sort of terminal illness get it taken away from them and get denied coverage. And I'm sorry if you think advising people that it may not be worth the resources to keep an old person alive when it's barely going to help them, if it even does that, is a bad idea, but you're just plain wrong. </p> <p> Environmentalism and Climate Change. Let's say that climate change is some sort of vast conspiracy. Is it really so wrong to want to clean our air, our waters, our food? If climate change being a lie gets us off of Saudi Arabian oil, polluted skies and waters, Gulf Oil Disasters, etc, then that is a lie I can swallow. Even if I have to pay a little more now so that future generations can take advantage of it, if the human race even makes it that far. And the point of Green Jobs is to keep them HERE< not send them around the world. </p> <p> As for the Arizona Immigration Law, it's incredibly vague just exactly when the police can check for documentation, to the point where if someone looked suspicious they could ask to see them. </p> <p> As for the stimulus, again, the under $800B stimulus hasn't been a "failure," in the sense that shit could be much worse. A lot of the funding hasn't been distributed yet, and the biggest complaint from liberals who've been paying attention is that it wasn't big enough! Again, I go back, and maybe you don't like the guy, but Krugman not only predicted the economic issues of a weak-stimulus package, but the political ones as well! Yes the Dems are going to hurt for the stimulus and they deserve to for being wusses and trying to get Republican votes that they weren't going to get anyway!. </p> <p> As for the deficit, you can look up the facts on Wikipedia for chrise-sakes, when Republicans are in the presidency, the increase in the national debt sky-rockets, under Democratic presidents, it decreases, sometimes vastly. </p> <p> As for Libs calling Bush Hitler... yes it's true, that has happened. I think it's ridiculous for you to ask him for all of the examples of conservatives calling Obama evil, how about you provide ALL of the examples of Liberals calling Bush Hitler or evil, or Satan's spawn or whatever. </p> <p> As for the "Wise Latina" thing, there's nothing wrong in taking some pride for your race. But what she was actually saying was that she has lots of life experience that maybe some easy-lifed White guys might not have had. </p>

  • Aug. 11, 2010, 11:48 a.m. CST

    smoking in the shadows...

    by Red Ned Lynch

    ...if it was nineteen seventy something you've got yourself the title of an anthem rock hit right there.

  • Aug. 11, 2010, 11:48 a.m. CST

    Red...

    by leo54304

    Have another fine BJ from the lovely Miss Rigg in her prime. And then share a colt 45 with her afterwards. Its what Billy D would do.

  • Aug. 11, 2010, 11:49 a.m. CST

    Hope Cali

    by PeanutButterSlut

    can legalize it. Maybe the greedy conservatives will realize that there is $ in it for them? And maybe they should put down their bible (i bet many an old school bible was printed on hemp) and realize they can tax it? Fucking rebuptards.

  • Aug. 11, 2010, 11:50 a.m. CST

    I should lay off the pot

    by PeanutButterSlut

    when posting though (edit button FTW!)

  • Aug. 11, 2010, 11:58 a.m. CST

    Can we make a promise...

    by DeusExMachina

    to no longer talk about anything political on this site again. We can all go to various other sites and debate out politicl leanings. So can we get back to talking about whatever new movies are coming out and the occasional rant on how awesome Scarlett Johansson's tits are?

  • Aug. 11, 2010, 11:59 a.m. CST

    420th post

    by PeanutButterSlut

    OO

  • Aug. 11, 2010, 11:59 a.m. CST

    Fuck Deus

    by PeanutButterSlut

    Stole 420th from me CUNTFUCKER!

  • Aug. 11, 2010, 12:02 p.m. CST

    Deus

    by PeanutButterSlut

    If the OLDIES shut down the theaters then there will be noting to talk about :o <p> Hi, I'm Tom Kruse, invetor of the Hoveround. When I'm not selling Xenu mobility devices, I'm hawking them to the Fox News audience. <p> What most old folks don't realize, is that you can get a Hoveround for free! Your socialist medicine will pay for it! So while your calling Obama a nigger, remeber who bought you that hoveround!

  • Aug. 11, 2010, 12:07 p.m. CST

    wow, I've learned something today...

    by spidercoz

    Liberal vs conservative, Dem vs Rep, MSNBC vs Fox, Sox vs Yanks, red vs blue, etc, etc, etc... It's all complete and utter bullshit. All this is nothing more than short-sighted, narrow-minded, idealistic rhetoric being thrown back and forth like hand grenades. IT'S NOT HELPING. Irrational competitiveness is destroying this country, NOT socialism, NOT terrorists, NOT Glenn Beck, and NOT Obama. Nobody works TOGETHER anymore. Shit, most people would rather gnaw their own foot off than work with someone with a differing viewpoint to solve a problem. What the fuck is the matter with you people? You are competing our civilization into oblivion. Are you really that terrified of maybe being wrong? Will it really kill you to take ten minutes to think calmly about why someone else's opinion is different from yours? Are you that blinded by impotent idealism and narcissistic, prejudicial rage to think maybe the other guy's ideas have merit too? Fuckit, just kill yourself now. That would be the best thing you could ever possibly do for the good of all.

  • Aug. 11, 2010, 12:08 p.m. CST

    bread and circus

    by happyboy

    lmfao @ the morons. you think "Liberal" or "Conservative" really matters? why is it that the stupidest people feel the most strongly about this. Liberals and Conservatives agree on 99% of the fucked up policies that are screwing America and only argue about the social bells and whistles that dont mean shit but get you people riled up. Both sides are firmly in the pocket of lawyers who block tort reform, insurance companies that block health reform, school unions that block educational reform and zionist lobbists who block equal rights in Israel or peace in the middle east. LOL @ morons who think that REPEATING what you hear on cable news and demonizing the "other side" makes you smart. Makes you mindless sheep. Thank for contributing to the dilution of our gene pool and helping the Chinese kick our asses.

  • Aug. 11, 2010, 12:09 p.m. CST

    Fuck you too PeanutButterSlut

    by DeusExMachina

    I didn't steal anything. I'm a liberal socialist. I just redistributed it.

  • Aug. 11, 2010, 12:10 p.m. CST

    holy crap spidercoz

    by happyboy

    you posted the exact same truth I did a minute before my post went online. maybe there is a (small) hope for America.

  • Aug. 11, 2010, 12:12 p.m. CST

    Obama deception III

    by PeanutButterSlut

    Return of the blackguy-jedi

  • Aug. 11, 2010, 12:18 p.m. CST

    Love it!

    by bee152

    I love listening to a bunch of right wing cry babies constantly complaining. You don't agree with the politics? Don't visit the site. Otherwise SHUT THE FUCK UP! Bunch of little penny pinching bitches.

  • Aug. 11, 2010, 12:29 p.m. CST

    All of you fighting over this

    by AnUsulDarkley

    are the real idiots. You think one political party or the other will cure all your ills. The dems and the reps are working together to bankrupt this country. All while lining their pockets with the hard earned money of your children and grandchildren. They've already got your money. While you sit here and become a nation divided they laugh at us because we are weak slaves. To coddled by our PS3s and to fat to get off our asses and do something meaningful. So to make ourselves feel better we come on here and blast each. Subject population=losers. Whatever happened to "I hate to see Americans fighting Americans."?

  • Aug. 11, 2010, 12:29 p.m. CST

    Happy Boy

    by Charles_Corkey_Thatcher

    Is totally right. The bill to continue the far passed 300 to 100 in congress. A landslide, because both sides are for war. Always. Unless we change things, until then they will continue with the dog and pony show and keep the wars and spending the majority of our tax dollars on the creation of war and enemies. The only true enemy is ourselves.

  • Aug. 11, 2010, 12:38 p.m. CST

    Scarlettt

    by Charles_Corkey_Thatcher

    All of your links do nothing. The reality here is people need to embrace loving kindness of hatrid. If the majority of the people did this, these problems would go away because people wouldnt allow themselves to be controlled. TV, Movies and video games keep everyone distracted from the truth.

  • Aug. 11, 2010, 12:52 p.m. CST

    Pick a side people - You're either a Dem or a Rep...

    by Keblar

    there's no room to think for yourself in between. Nevermind that this US vs THEM bullshit will have your grandchildren speaking Madarin, what's important here is ideology and dogma.

  • Aug. 11, 2010, 12:53 p.m. CST

    "Oh, ain't it great when things are goin your way!"

    by Keblar

    "Hey, Hey!"

  • Aug. 11, 2010, 1 p.m. CST

    At least the propaganda of fear

    by AnUsulDarkley

  • Aug. 11, 2010, 1:02 p.m. CST

    The propaganda of fear

    by AnUsulDarkley

    works on some.

  • Aug. 11, 2010, 1:07 p.m. CST

    Scar-Jo would rather you drink Breast Milk than Kool Aid.

    by Keblar

    It's not any better for you, but it tickles their nipple.

  • Aug. 11, 2010, 1:15 p.m. CST

    scar-jo-bre-mi

    by spidercoz

    have you ever had an original thought in your life?

  • Aug. 11, 2010, 1:16 p.m. CST

    Yee Haw...

    by The Dreaded Rear Admiral

    Get yew some Wi-Fi in the trailer park and look whut happens! All regurgitation of Faux talking points, no THINKING involved...or necessary.

  • Aug. 11, 2010, 1:20 p.m. CST

    If Rush and Elton can cum together

    by leo54304

    for a night of love and music, can't we push aside our political differences for one day? Besides theres still the Polanski thread to bash each other on.

  • Aug. 11, 2010, 1:24 p.m. CST

    Bicycle --- Re - Spending Vs. Spending

    by micturatingbenjamin

    Clinton's spending was on infrastructure, and was on the books. Deficit spending being unpopular, arguably led to the Repubs gaining control in Congress.<p>On the other hand, Bush's war spending was deliberately kept OUT of the budgetary requests, and spent as 'emergency need'. So, when Obama comes in, we're FAR WORSE off than the prior administration admitted to.<p>If they witheld this information, or spread disinformation out of political expediency, it's borderline treasonous in my opinion. If it's out of ignorance or stupidity, that side has a LOT of work ahead of it to gain my vote, then. I can be swayed, but the more the Republicans put forth people who insist on shoving their religious beliefs into my or anyone else's homes, and want to continue to live off of the largesse of the majority without paying a share, I pass on voting for them.

  • Aug. 11, 2010, 1:25 p.m. CST

    I suppose old people shouldn't be allowed to watch tv?

    by Royston Lodge

    Or is the point that old people's opinions may be automatically ignored by "more enlightened" on-line movie & tv critics?

  • Aug. 11, 2010, 1:51 p.m. CST

    VOTE PALIN/BACHMAN IN 2012!!!

    by TrigPalinsBodyDouble

    I could use the work.

  • Aug. 11, 2010, 1:53 p.m. CST

    Please watch Sarah Palin's ALASKA This Fall

    by TrigPalinsBodyDouble

    TrigPalinsBodyDouble GOTTA EAT!!!

  • Aug. 11, 2010, 1:54 p.m. CST

    micturatingbenjamin -- Re - Spending Vs. Spending

    by no1ofimportance

    Obama and Biden were both Senators, and members of the majority party since 2007. Although the House originates spending bills, the Senate still has to approve them. If they didn't know what was going on with the war spending bills they voted on, was is because they are also treasonous or just stupid?

  • Aug. 11, 2010, 1:59 p.m. CST

    Old people are stupid!

    by TrigPalinsBodyDouble

    I can't wait til the Republicans take their Social Security away.

  • Aug. 11, 2010, 2:01 p.m. CST

    There's gonna be a lot of stupid people in office

    by TrigPalinsBodyDouble

    after the midterms. Rand Paul is basically retarded. And I ought to know.

  • Aug. 11, 2010, 2:19 p.m. CST

    hobocode, as usual, you're wrong...

    by Coughlins Laws

    1. I HAVE watched the tape. Are you trying to tell me that you didn't see how the audience was in full approval of what she did to that white farmer? Seriously? I suggest you watch that tape again, especially when she's talking about getting the farmer a white lawyer, so he could "take care of his own". At the VERY LEAST, she is saying she used to be racist but is not racist anymore. Nice defense.<p>2. It's none of your fucking business how much anyone else makes. And for you to personally get off on "soaking" the rich, well, I'm glad I don't know you in real life. Your jealousy and hatred for those who've spent a lifetime becoming rich kind of saddens me.<p>3. I'm glad you have a crystal ball and can predict the future. Also, how come I have to have an ID every time I drive a car, cash a check, enter a nightclub, go to the DMV, etc, etc, etc, but illegal immigrants DON'T? And why should legal immigrants not have to carry their ID? Explain that to me.<p>4. You're flat out wrong that Reaganomics was a failure. It was the longest, uninterrupted peace-time expansion of the economy our country had ever seen and 20 million jobs were created. Also, the Federal government went from taking in around $500 BILLION in taxes in 1980 to close to a TRILLION by 1989. I don't see how you could possibly argue with that. Your communist professors have really done you wrong...<p>5. How long of a list do you want of Democrats, elected or otherwise, comparing Bush to Hitler or worse? Go find on youtube about what Dick Durbin said. I'm not going to do the research for you, but there is a LOT of evidence of this.<p>6. Oh, I SEE, now you're admitting that Fox News doesn't call him evil. OK, so you're admitting you made that up? As far as socialism, according to alot of the liberals I see here, socialism should be a badge of honor. Now you're saying calling him socialist is equivalent to calling him evil? Really?

  • Aug. 11, 2010, 2:36 p.m. CST

    No, Red Ned, I'm with you on taxing pot

    by The Bicycle Sharer

    See, first, I just find the hypocrisy of one side's arguments being "legalize pot and then you can tax it" followed by "whoa, whoa, whoa, WHO'S pot you gonna tax" fucking insanely humorous. Second, I remember the 80s (not so much the 70s, too) and I understand the social ramifications of legalization, including destigmatizing, etc. I just think it should be left up to the states. I don't think it's any of the feds business what state A allows as opposed to state B. Maybe I'll buy the importation argument (feds make it illegal to IMPORT), but, as for inter- and intra-state legality, leave it to the states. I mean, shit, we practically got in now with the federal refusal to vigorously enforce and pursue in states like California, Oregon, and Washington. Honestly, if you don't live out here, you should visit California sometime. Certainly in L.A. and SanFran, the pot shops are everywhere.

  • Aug. 11, 2010, 2:53 p.m. CST

    micturatingbenjamin -- Re - Spending Vs. Spending

    by The Bicycle Sharer

    Not really sure what your point is there. I guess all I can say in answer to that is that I disagree with your "So, when Obama comes in, we're FAR WORSE off than the prior administration admitted to" argument. Not sure if you read the papers or the internet or watch the news, but off-budget expenditures are KNOWN, usually in the year that they're done. Also, you might wanna read the Constitution and do a little research on this issue. See, off-budget expenditures aren't some magical power that the President has that he can keep a secret from Congress and that are all mysterious until the next party gets in power and then, oh, my God, what have the done?!?!?!? Just because expenditures AREN'T included in the budget doesn't mean that they're unknown or secret. All revenue bills (per the Constitution) (and this includes taxing and spending) must originate in the House of Representatives. The federal government (executive, legislative, or judicial) cannot spend money that the Congress has not appropriated and allocated.<p>Here, let me help you...<p>Article I, Section 7, Clause 1 of the United States Constitution: "All Bills for raising Revenue shall originate in the House of Representatives; but the Senate may propose or concur with Amendments as on other Bills." This is called the Origination Clause.<p>Now, "the Origination Clause stems from an English parliamentary requirement that all money bills start from the House of Commons; it was intended to ensure that the "power of the purse" lies with the legislative body closer to the people. The clause was also part of a compromise between small and large states: the latter were unhappy with equal representation in the Senate."<p>So, you understand this, right? Obama, Bush, Clinton, Bush, Reagan, and on and on and on can't just magically create money in some magical off-budget land and spend it. It has go through Congress.<p>Spending "off-budget" just means that the spending was included in the normal budgetary process. That's all. Still means, however, that the spending went through Congress (as a bill to become a law which the President signs).<p>For instance, would you insist that Obama is "deliberately keeping his spending out of the budgetary requests, and spent as 'emergency need' so that when the next administration comes, we're FAR WORSE off than the prior administration admitted to?" Would you say that? No? Well, why not? Believe it or not, we (the U.S. federal government up to and including President Barack Hussein Obama) are about to be operating and spending EVERYTHING off-budget for fiscal year 2011 (that starts in October 2010), every penny, every dime. Is Obama trying to "screw the next administration?" No, of course not. Congress just couldn't get a budget passed and, while it's unusual, it's certainly not clandestine plot to "screw the next administration" 'cause we don't "know how bad things are."<p>You understand that you should probably do a little research before you regurgitate a vaguely comprehended talking point now, don't you?

  • Aug. 11, 2010, 3:01 p.m. CST

    And just so we're clear...

    by The Bicycle Sharer

    All that off-budget, mysterious, secret, unknown clandestine war spending that Bush did to "screw the next administration" by keeping them "in the dark" about "how bad things were?" All those. Yeah, they all, each and every single one of them, dollar for dollar went through Congress and was approved by both chambers.<p>Don't believe me?<p>H.R.1268 - Title: Emergency Supplemental Appropriations Act for Defense, the Global War on Terror, and Tsunami Relief, 2005 <p>http://www.cnn.com/2007/POLITICS/05/24/iraq.funding/index.html <p>http://www.cnn.com/2005/POLITICS/05/10/war.funds/ <p> http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A62554-2004Oct25.html <p>http://www.govexec.com/dailyfed/0403/041603njns1.htm <p>Now, I could go on and on and on and on with evidence here, but, hopefully, you get the point. All those are called SUPPLEMENTAL spending bills and they all had to be signed by Bush AFTER passage in the Congress (apparently after being kept secret from BHO) because they are SUPPLEMENTAL to the budget.<p>So, in conclusion, SUPPLEMENTAL and OFF-BUDGET does not mean "mysterious," "secret," "clandestine," or "unknown." Not in federal spending anyway.

  • Aug. 11, 2010, 3:04 p.m. CST

    iamnicksaicnsn, whatever that means, you're even more wrong...

    by Coughlins Laws

    1. How long is Shirley Sherrod allowed to be racist, then? How many years of racism does she get? So, if a black man killed my father, would I be allowed to be racist against other black people? Of course not!!! This is such bullshit and you know it!<p>2. Obama, out of his own mouth, told a woman that her mother (who is in her 90's) shouldn't get life extending surgery. Sometimes you've just "got to give Grandma a pain pill". So, there you go. And BTW, Medicare and Medicaid deny more claims than ANY private insurance. This is fact. Sorry you didn't know this...<p>3. Who said we want dirty water or dirty air? That's a straw man argument. No one wants that. SOME government regulation is needed. There have to be some standards. That's not what we're talking about. We're talking about how Man Made Global Warming is an unprovable FARCE!!! First of all, these same lunatics were crying about Global COOLING!!! at the first Earth Day 40 years ago. All sorts of leading scientists made all sorts of catastrophic predictions, none of which came true. Now here we are, over ten years and we have yet to have a hotter year than 1998. And now we're finding out that evidence has been fudged and leading Global Warming scientists have willingly lied. The point is, the Earth hasn't gotten hotter in 10 years, we didn't have any accurate way to measure the temperature 100 years ago, let alone thousands of years ago, we can't prove for sure the Earth is warming, even if we could, we can't prove that Man is causing it, and even if we could prove Man is causing it, we can't prove that Man can stop it. The Earth goes through temperature cycles ALL THE TIME. Man wasn't driving around cars during the last Ice Age, yet the Earth seemed to warm up on its own. How do you suppose that happened? Global Warming is complete bullshit. Sorry to have burst your bubble...<p>4. Arizona law, no, you're wrong. I don't blame you for not knowing what it says if you get your news from sources who are purposely lying about it. It specifically says that the person asked for proof of citizenship has to have been held for another crime. You really are just flat out wrong. Don't worry, though. Barack Obama and Eric Holder both have admitted they called the law racist without having ever read it...<p>5. Quoting Paul Krugman is a joke. You don't pick the most liberal economist in the MSM when you are trying to show objective sources. This whole "it could've been worse" line of reasoning is complete bullshit, too. How, exactly can you know or prove that. By the standard set by this very White House, the stimulus is a complete failure. In February of 2009, this WH promised that if the stimulus passed, unemployment wouldn't go above 8%. Well, not only did it not go over 8%, it went over 10%. Unemployment has been hovering around 9.9% for the last 18 months, and many economists say that if you count the underemployed and those that have given up looking for work, the real unemployment number is 17%. 4.3 million people have lost their jobs since the so-called stimulus passed. By THEIR OWN standards THEY gave us, the stimulus was a complete failure. The economy is stagnant, growing amenically, and unemployment is completely out of control. Compare that to the average of around 5% unemployment under Bush.<p>6. First of all, if you ever want to be taken seriously, NEVER CITE wikipedia as a source. But anyway, lest get down to it, shall we? What you must not understand is that Congress spends our money, NOT the President. President's can present budgets, but Congress decides what gets spent. During Reagan's tenure in office, Democrats rand the House the entire time. He proposed $2 of spending cuts for every $1 of tax cuts. Well, he got the tax cuts, but NEVER got the spending cuts. Federal Government receipts were around $500 BILLION when Reagan came into office and were about $1 TRILLION by the time he left office. That means that the deficits were because of out of control spending. If Reagan had a Line-Item Veto, I guarantee you that the deficits would not have been that bad. Cut to the 90's. Bill Clinton proposed budget deficits as far as the eye could see until the GOP took control of Congress for the first time in 40 years. After 1994, it took Newt Gingrich and the Republicans 4 years of fighting Clinton to get a budget surplus for the first time in decades. Then you can look at the 00's. If you take out the two wars (the debate whether we should have even been in those wars is for another discussion), and the budget was almost balanced every one of Bush's and Republicans years. Cut to 2007, when the Dems took control and Bush was a lame duck. The deficit went from $400 BILLION in the Republicans last year of control and skyrocketed to $700 BILLION, then $1.3 TRILLION, and now $1.6 TRILLION. Obama's and Dems proposed budgets over the next 8 years are over $1 TRILLION every single year!!! If things don't change, Obama will have added more to the National Debt than every other President in history COMBINED!!! See, you have to understand how are government works. You apparently don't...<p>7. The point is, it's a stupid argument. You can't complain about hearing a bad thing from one side when we have just come through 8 years of the most attacked President in history. Obama gets MUCH better treatment than Bush ever got. Bush was constantly attacked. Look at The Huffington Post. Look at Keith Olbermann. Look at signs from any protest the last 8 years against Bush. The amount of vitriol and hatred against Bush was so much more vile and widespread among the Left than you see on the right against Obama. If you look at any Tea Party protest, a good 90% of the signs are attacking POLICIES of Obama. When you look at protests against Bush, almost every single sign was a personal attack, pictures of Bush's head cut off, calling Bush Hitler, etc. I mean, it's really not even close. If you really want, I'll give you links to look at. I'll also show you video proof and sites on the internet that show liberals talking about crashing Tea Parties to carry racist signs and say racist things to try and get the media to call the Tea Parties racist. The evidence is pretty overwhelming if you choose to find it.<p>7. So, it's OK to take pride in your race? Do you say the same thing about the KKK or Neo-Nazis who talk about "white pride"? Of course you don't. And you are obviously racist, too. You just said that Latinas have better life-experience than white people. You're saying white people have it easier in life. That's pretty amazing you would say that. But, thanks for letting me know your worldview. But I have a little secret for you. Life experience is NOT supposed to have ANYTHING to do with what the Supreme Court does. They are supposed to decide cases based on their constitutionality, NOT based on anyone's "life experience". Wow, you are pretty pathetic. I can't believe you would actually come on here and repeat that a Latina most likely has more life experience than a white person...

  • Aug. 11, 2010, 3:05 p.m. CST

    Bike...

    by Red Ned Lynch

    ...I've got no problem with legalizing pot. I suspect I'd be all right with a number of the psychedelics, assuming they were properly regulated. But horse, crack, meth...nah. Too much water under that bridge for me. It's the spot where emotion overrules logic. And yes, I understand that without legalizing them the majority of benefits that would be derived from legalizing drugs would be lost. That cup's just got to pass from my lips. <p> And I missed pot stores in California by a few years by moving back to the Midwest. But I've visited since, and at a party thrown by an old friend I had a chance to sample some of that "medicinal" product. The little bag it came in even had a label on it. It was Romulan Organic Nor Cal. <p> My friend's an entertainment lawyer and he has tummy troubles related to job stress. He is fluent in Italian, Spanish, Portuguese and French, and his job is to review foreign contracts and promotional materials for films to make sure that they are legally correct. He brings home not quite seven figures for reading. <p> Stress. Uh-huh. He's a great guy, though, and that was really very good pot. Of course I don't smoke it at home because I've got two little ones so maybe I was just susceptible.

  • Aug. 11, 2010, 3:11 p.m. CST

    The Fox News fans should look at a

    by Creative1

    map of the electoral college before writing Obama's political obituary. It doesn't matter how much his poll numbers shift if that shift isn't reflected in the electoral college. The only question that really matters in what states he will carry in the 2012 election. The West cost mid upper East cost are pretty much a lock. The mid western states are pretty much his. What blue states are going to go red to give the Republican candidate 270 is the only "poll" that matters.

  • Aug. 11, 2010, 3:11 p.m. CST

    Coughlin...

    by Red Ned Lynch

    ...of course, Krugman was a voice in the wilderness during the years leading up to the housing disaster and was mocked not just by every conservative commenter I either read or heard but a very good number of others. Looking at you again, Chris Dodd.

  • Aug. 11, 2010, 3:13 p.m. CST

    Anyway, I agree. Bush did agree to WAYYY to much

    by Coughlins Laws

    spending. But how does that get Obama off the hook for what he's putting us through right now? The U.S. Government, THIS YEAR, is spending at least $1.6 TRILLION more than it's taking in. That's $1.6 MILLION, MILLION. That's $1,600,000,000,000.00 MORE than we have. Explain how you can blame that on Bush...

  • Aug. 11, 2010, 3:19 p.m. CST

    Hey Red Ned, look online and watch the Congressional

    by Coughlins Laws

    hearings in 2003 and 2005 when Republicans talked about regulating Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac and watch as Barney Frank and Maxine Waters tried their best to stop it. Seriously. Go right now over to youtube. Then come back and tell me that NO ONE wanted to stop it...

  • Aug. 11, 2010, 3:22 p.m. CST

    creative1...

    by Red Ned Lynch

    ...barring some scandal or continuing disasters over the next two years Obama will get his second term. And thanks to the Tea Party folks Democratic losses in the midterm, although bad enough, will fall well short of what one would normally expect. <p> Thing is, there is a very real possibility of continuing disasters over the next two years. Stack two more summers like this one, for instance, or Iran or Israel making a bad misstep in their little dance, China deciding we're in a bad enough spot to put real pressure on Taiwan or the islands south of Okinawa that they've been feuding over with Japan for so, so long. Want more? I've got 'em. <p> Many many many slips twixt that cup and lip.

  • Aug. 11, 2010, 3:32 p.m. CST

    Take out the $700 BILLION one time only TARP

    by Coughlins Laws

    payment (which Obama can't criticize because he voted for it) and Bush's deficits were never more than $600 BILLION, before Democrats took over spending, the highest Bush deficit was $400 BILLION. Now, compare that to Obama, who has give us a $1.3 TRILLION deficit and a $1.6 TRILLION deficit. If you look at the projected budgets he's given us (which ALWAYS guess lower than they are), EVERY SINGLE BUDGET HE HAS PROPOSED is over $1 TRILLION!!!! That means, if you count the $3 TRILLION Obama's already added, and add up the next 6 years (GULP!), you're looking at a total of $9 to $10 TRILLION that Obama and the Democrats will have added to the National Debt in his 8 years in office!!! That's almost double what it took 230 years to get to!!! That's why he must be stopped!!!

  • Aug. 11, 2010, 3:36 p.m. CST

    Here are the states Obama won't win again:

    by Coughlins Laws

    Colorado, Nevada, North Carolina, Florida, New Mexico, Virginia, Iowa, Wisconsin, Indiana, Ohio, Pennsylvania, and possibly New Jersey...

  • Aug. 11, 2010, 3:37 p.m. CST

    Red Ned, you live in Fantasy Land. The only people

    by Coughlins Laws

    who hate the Tea Parties are liberals. You really think the Tea Parties are going to be a plus for the Democrats? Really>?

  • Aug. 11, 2010, 3:41 p.m. CST

    Coughlin...

    by Red Ned Lynch

    ...want to make a bet on whether Rand Paul will be elected? Harry Reid...Harry Reid of all people, is going to remain in office. <p> And for this you may thank the oh so beloved Tea Party.

  • Aug. 11, 2010, 3:47 p.m. CST

    This is about being butt-hurt

    by gotilk

    that "ClimateGate" turning out to be about as significant as a Nasa spelling error meaning that we never went to the moon than a global climate change conspiracy, isn't it? Man, that still has got to hurt. At least you can still go on about birth certificates and gay marriage. You've always got that. Smile!! Keep chanting "deregulate" and your overlords will keep paying out your middling incomes. Free Markets!!!!! (top down only(TM))

  • Aug. 11, 2010, 3:58 p.m. CST

    Coughlin...

    by Red Ned Lynch

    ...God bless you, I know you saw that video of poor stupid Barney Frank on Fox News. I bet when they cut back from it Billo was scrunching his eyebrows together and had his tiny little lips in a pucker. <p> But what happened during the housing crisis happened primarily because of the bundling of derivatives. No-Doc loans played a huge part as well, and Fannie and Freddie did approve a number of them but AIG approved billions more that Fannie and Freddie passed on. <p> Now you find me a single Republican arguing for one of these things (the things that actually caused the housing collapse) before it happened: <p> 1. Increasing the amount of capital a bank had to keep on hand to protect its solvency (the capital to assets ration). <p> 2. Regulating banks so that insuring agencies such as AIG (and to a much lesser degree fannie and freddie) did not encourage banks to make ever riskier loans. <p> Reining in the derivatives market. <p> I could add some more but what's the use? You won't find any of these. <p> And you know what's worse? You know what makes me sickest? Republicans are doubling down on financial deregulation right now, and in fucking 2010 the traitor to this nation Chris Dodd (who hell, you should be cheering on) pushed through a bill that maintains that status quo. <p> Oh, and yes, the Republicans did oppose it. Why? Because they didn't want limits placed on the bundling of derivatives and wanted federally insured firms to be allowed to continue trading on their own accounts. Scott Brown actually managed to keep this corrupt and corrupting practice protected, in part, by law. <p> Read something. YouTube's a damned poor teacher.

  • Aug. 11, 2010, 4:17 p.m. CST

    Coughlin

    by hst666

    Your deficit numbers do not include war spending. Also, the estate tax takes 45% after a $2M exemption. The heirs still get more money than they need.

  • Aug. 11, 2010, 4:17 p.m. CST

    Red Ned, why are you SO obsessed with Fox News?

    by Coughlins Laws

    The video's on youtube. Anyone can watch what Frank did. Youtube is a very good source of information because you can watch video from C-SPAN, you can watch part of the Congressional record without pundit's takes on what you've seen. Anyway, Fox News, while it's the most watched cable news channel, gets only about 6 million viewers a day, tops. Compare that to the 62 million people who voted AGAINST Obama and the over 50% of the public who don't approve of Obama at all. His strongly disapprove level is extremely high. Do you think we ALL get all our information from Fox News? Do you honestly believe that? Really? Seriously?

  • Aug. 11, 2010, 4:18 p.m. CST

    hst666, I'm glad you get to decide how much money people

    by Coughlins Laws

    NEED. Thank God you're nowhere near my money...

  • Aug. 11, 2010, 4:25 p.m. CST

    Red Ned, you're really THAT confident in Harry Reid?

    by Coughlins Laws

    It shouldn't even be a question of whether a majority leader is going to be re-elected and he can't break above 45% in the polls. Ask any pollster how many incumbents below 45% in the polls win re-election. As far as Rand Paul NOT winning, in most polls he's 8 to 10 points ahead and Obama is almost below 40% in the polls in Kentuckey. So, to answer your question, Rand Paul is almost guaranteed to win, and Harry Reid, I give about a 40/60 shot of winning. So, I don't know how we make a bet, I don't want any of the wackjobs I see on the boards to know anything about me. But, I'd bet you ALOT that Rand Paul will win and a little more that Harry Reid will lose...

  • Aug. 11, 2010, 4:28 p.m. CST

    Coughlin...

    by Red Ned Lynch

    ...also, mortgage lending to minorities actually...dropped by 7% in 2006. My source on this is Realty Times, reporting on a study undertaken by Compliance Technologies and Genworth Financial. I tried to find a YouTube video...maybe you can do better. <p> Anyway, while 40% of loans made to minorities were sub prime, close to twenty percent of loans made to non-hispanic whites were as well, and the number of these loans made to whites went up considerably in 2006. <p> I use 2006 because it was the last full year before the bottom started to fall out. <p> You know, back when Bush was bragging about how his administration had created an America of homeowners, an America with the highest number of homeowners in the history of the nation. Just google Bush home ownership. <p> Ahhh...good times.

  • Aug. 11, 2010, 4:30 p.m. CST

    What are you talking about, giltik? There IS not Global Warming

    by Coughlins Laws

    It hasn't gotten hotter since 1998. Sorry, but EPIC FAIL on your part...

  • Aug. 11, 2010, 4:30 p.m. CST

    Oh, no, Coughlin...

    by Red Ned Lynch

    ...I respect your You Tube research. And I certainly admire the persistence with which you've stomped your feet and bleated about that video over and over again instead of providing one scrap of actual supporting evidence for your position. <p> It shows a persistent nature.

  • Aug. 11, 2010, 4:33 p.m. CST

    Coughlin...

    by Red Ned Lynch

    ...to date this year is the hottest on record. Is there something wrong with you?

  • Aug. 11, 2010, 4:35 p.m. CST

    Wait...

    by Red Ned Lynch

    ...Coughlin, are you a spoof? Are you playing a character?

  • Aug. 11, 2010, 4:40 p.m. CST

    I'll take the Harry Reid bet

    by leo54304

    Sharon Angle s/b kicking his ass but in polls for registered and likely to vote he holds leads on her (reuters news).

  • Aug. 11, 2010, 4:40 p.m. CST

    Scarlett...

    by Red Ned Lynch

    ...oh, I know you're right. That's why all those people are dying in Russia now. It's eugenics. They're depopulating "undesirables". <p> (This is what Alex Jones of prisonplanet actually believes) <p> Love ya, Southpark.

  • Aug. 11, 2010, 4:40 p.m. CST

    Global warming is made up bullshit

    by RPLocke

    to keep scientists happy.

  • Aug. 11, 2010, 4:45 p.m. CST

    Bicycle Sharer

    by BadMrWonka

    I haven't read all of the other posts, just your response to me, so forgive me if I'm repeating anything anyone else wrote since.<p>first off, the link gets a space put in it, it certainly works. I'm sure you can figure it out. or, you could just go to youtube and type in "racism palin rally", if it starts with a toothless woman yelling "he's not a christian! this is a christian nation!" then you've got the right one.<p>second, the misspelling on the sign was just the cherry on top. the idiocy of complaining about socialized medicine while talking about "my medicare" is what I was pointing out, sorry you missed that, I guess I could have been clearer.<p>and I don't think that everyone that watches Fox News is an elderly bigot, but certainly every elderly bigot that watches news watches Fox News. again, if the argument abotu Fox NEws, Tea PArty protesters, etc. is, "well, not all of them are bigoted idiots!" that is a pretty weak argument. to my mind, anyone with a functioning brain and/or heart, wouldn't want to be associated with that garbage even if SOME of them are bigoted idiots. if you're walking around, wanting to talk about legitimate opposition to universal health care, and the guy on your left has a picture of Obama as a witch doctor African caricature, and the guy to your right has a money with an Obama t-shirt on, wouldn't you think it's time to leave? "they're not ALL bigoted idiots!" just think about that.<p> now, all of your bullets points about voting records and whatnot (aside from all the nonsensical asides resulting from your angry fast typing, which I'm guilty of too, from time to time) are really beside the point. I love Barney Frank (a gay super liberal? great!) but I know he was on the wrong side of that issue, as were a few other key democrats. and we can quibble about Bush's role, but I certainly don't demonize him in the financial crisis as much as a lot of liberals. however, the fact of the matter is that deregulation, and the "let the companies patrol themselves, let the market patrol itself" mentality is a conservative ideology. that's just how it is. "get the government out of our shit!" well, we did, and greed took over in the absence of government accountability. are the democrats to blame as well? sure. is it more the republicans fault? of course. it happened on their watch.<p> sorry for being from Seattle, I know it irks people like you. I'm not a part of "real america", I just float on a cloud of lattes and sprout sandwiches. I couldn't possibly understand anything. I am, as you so eloquently pointed out, an "ass maggot".<p> but you still haven't addressed my biggest point: if the extreme of the right are bigots and extreme religious fanatics, and the extreme of the left is hippie potheads, how can you lean towards the bigotry? even if it's farther along the line, it's still your line. I just don't get it. conservatives fought interracial marriage, civil rights, women's rights, abortion rights, and now their current cause is gay rights. two people that love each other and want to get married, and the government is going to stop them and control their private lives? what could be less conservative than that?<p>history has proven time and time again, when people make decisions based on fear and intolerance, the next generation judges them for it.

  • Aug. 11, 2010, 4:45 p.m. CST

    ITT: The Bottom Half of the SAT pile.

    by Doctor_Strangepork

  • Aug. 11, 2010, 4:46 p.m. CST

    Because of the bundling of derivatives, Red Ned?

    by The Bicycle Sharer

    Nope. Wrong. Derivatives have existed for, literally, centuries. "Bundling derivatives" is no more heinous than bundling laundry or bread. It's what's IN the derivatives that makes 'em toxic. In this case, bad mortgages. Now, if the mortgages weren't bad, the derivatives wouldn't be a problem. Derivatives exist and continue to be used every single day. And they work. So, you can't say that the "bundling of derivatives" caused the crisis. It was, in fact, the bundling of bad mortgages (probable defaults) that caused THAT portion of the problem. I mean, Red, you keep insisting that this bugaboo "derivatives" was the problem, but derivatives are super, super, super old and they work just fine. And, if the mortgage holders hadn't defaulted, those derivatives would've been just fine. So, you can't blame the car for the accident; blame the drunk drivers (i.e., idiots who couldn't/wouldn't pay their mortgages) and the party host (politicians who allowed it to happen, pushed for it to happen, refused to listen when it was happening). Blaming derivatives is like blaming the car for a drunk driving accident. "Stupid car caused the whole thing!" Derivatives are just a financial instrument (like stocks, bonds, cash, options, etc.). What, you blame the cash for the fact that someone doesn't pay their bills? "Stupid money! If only more of it was in my hands I would've paid!"

  • Aug. 11, 2010, 4:46 p.m. CST

    monkey, not money

    by BadMrWonka

    oops

  • Aug. 11, 2010, 4:49 p.m. CST

    Need to rename Glacier Natl Park

    by leo54304

    In 1910 had 150 glaciers now down to 30

  • Aug. 11, 2010, 4:49 p.m. CST

    LOL, BadMrWonka

    by The Bicycle Sharer

    Nice post. Sorry for the testiness. I gots the insomnia right now. I'll try your "racism palin rally" later, but I literally copied your link, pasted it in the browser window and got... nada!

  • Aug. 11, 2010, 4:59 p.m. CST

    Old people are the only people watching the news

    by Jared

    Most of us younger folk on the internet all day could write the nightly news headlines by 10:00am.

  • and coming in on in a period of positive economic growth.(dubious as I am of how things got that way.) I'm no fan of the Clinton Admin. and never voted for him, but my opinions of a poor presidency were formed before I saw how genuinely horrible and destructive an administration could be. Neither am I content with the current Status Quo, but you're pretty neck deep in bullshit if you're trying to compare the current state of affairs with the Bush admin. in anything other than a positive light.

  • Aug. 11, 2010, 5:02 p.m. CST

    Oh, Scarlett...

    by Red Ned Lynch

    ...a little knowledge is only a little helpful. <p> The quote that 95% of the earth's greenhouse effect comes from water vapor is incorrect because that only applies to the troposphere and doesn't distinguish between forcing and feedback. (because you're an expert on climate change I'll just take for granted you know what those are). <p> It's the warming from the rest of the greenhouse gases that causes the water to evaporate and cause its warming. Not that you need it, being an s'pert and all, but here's the simplest example I can come up with: If the earth's atmosphere contained no CO2, all the water vapor would quickly freeze and stay frozen regardless of any plausible solar forcing changes. <p> But the fact is, we are not sure how much of the global warming we're seeing now is being caused by man. Based on virtually all models the temperature of the earth should have been cooling over the last half century, but models are only as good as the information put into them. So could this be part of a natural cycle? Sure. But we don't know that, either. <p> One thing we can be almost absolutely sure of? Really? Here in adult land? It's not part of a global eugenics scheme.

  • Aug. 11, 2010, 5:02 p.m. CST

    OOOLD PEOPLE!!!

    by RPLocke

    get to see movies for five bucks.

  • Aug. 11, 2010, 5:10 p.m. CST

    FAUX NEWS

    by Henry Fool

    Fox news is propaganda designed to placate the ignorant and prejudiced of America, while enabling them to deceive themselves into believing they're watching an actual news broadcast. They put out some good shows and movies but they practice politics that are anti-capitalist and pro-corporate feudalism.

  • Aug. 11, 2010, 5:11 p.m. CST

    Red Ned Lynch

    by BadMrWonka

    I applaud your effort brother, but seriously. don't get into arguments with conspiracy theorists. once you accept lizard aliens running the government as a real possibility, you're not going to have trouble divorcing yourself from reality at any number of other turns. Scarlett is bonkers, pure and simple. don't waste your time.<p>Coughlin's Laws is pretty nutty as well, and he's certainly as self-delusional as Scarlett, but at least he's not spamming, right?

  • Aug. 11, 2010, 5:15 p.m. CST

    Oh Bike, and we were doing so well...

    by Red Ned Lynch

    ...the bundling of the derivatives wasn't driven by the politicians. It was driven by private sector folks who sold them to fund managers as insured and guaranteed and used the money they got to keep buying more, causing a demand for more which were supplied by banks so that the cash could keep rolling in. A home that was valued at half a million in Cali in 2005 was, on average, valued at 2 million right before the bottom dropped. This was market manipulation of the highest order. Sure, no one should take a loan they can't pay, but you know, no one should give a loan to someone who can't reasonably be expected to pay either. <p> They did it because they were making money hand over fist by bundling them and passing them on. And they aggressively marketed the loans as well. And the folks who did it, private sector folks, then used the money in these funds as collateral to buy stocks on margin, gamble on commodity futures, puts, equities, and of course real estate. Wasn't folks fighting for the American Dream that killed the economy. Twas' the greed of men who cared only for the next quarter's profits that killed that beast.

  • Aug. 11, 2010, 5:24 p.m. CST

    If Bush and the conservatives...

    by Red Ned Lynch

    ...who were in charge for seven stinking years after 2001 had possessed even a scrap of pride in our nation there would be new twin towers sitting on that spot today, taller and more secure than what was destroyed. <p> Instead they squabbled over the remains like a flock of marrow birds. But then, all they care about is profit, and quick profit at that. There's no patriotism in them.

  • Aug. 11, 2010, 5:25 p.m. CST

    So many fake news channles on TV

    by RPLocke

    CNN, MSNBC, Fox, they're all fucking fake assholes pushing their own shitty agendas.

  • Aug. 11, 2010, 5:31 p.m. CST

    I hate to bite the bait, but CHOPPAH'D LIVER is too laughable

    by Keblar

    You are just baiting right? No one who can read above a 4th grade level (although the malaprops bring that into question)can really be that stupid. I can't tell if you're genuinely THAT retarded, or if you're poorly executing a failed attempt to come back around to satire. It's too troll-y to even warrant a contradiction.

  • Aug. 11, 2010, 5:42 p.m. CST

    coughlins law how old are you?

    by JaredP

    i mean you're sticking up for the old people or are you sticking up for conservartives in general? i don't know which

  • Aug. 11, 2010, 5:45 p.m. CST

    they should call fox news

    by JaredP

    the station for rednecks and geezers

  • Aug. 11, 2010, 5:48 p.m. CST

    There are no cool conservatives.

    by Dennis_Moore

    They are all lame.

  • Aug. 11, 2010, 5:49 p.m. CST

    Law of diminishing returns...

    by Red Ned Lynch

    ...has been reached. Thanks for arguing with me, Bike. It was fun. BadMrWonka, you rock. Leo, they've got Rigg's last season on The Avengers on Netflix streaming. I think tonight I'm going to watch The House that Jack Built.

  • Aug. 11, 2010, 5:51 p.m. CST

    obama has done more in his two years in office

    by JaredP

    than bush did in his whole eight years and if it wasnt for bush the gulf oil spill wouldnt have been such a disaster he cut regulation in al sectors of business big oil big tobacco the republicans hate regulation thank god for the new financial regulation bill

  • Aug. 11, 2010, 5:52 p.m. CST

    Libertarians Are *Kinda* Cool Conservatives

    by LaserPants

    They're basically Republicans who smoke pot. I guess that's *kinda* cool? I guess? I guess they're mostly aging hippies that started getting rich (by rich I mean making over $250k a year) and started getting all greedy and nuts, but still wanted to smoke pot and go to the occasional dinosaur rock show without feeling too much cognitive dissonance.

  • Aug. 11, 2010, 5:57 p.m. CST

    Actually, REAL Americans Are Sitting At Home Watching TV

    by LaserPants

    and not giving a fuck one way or another. FUCK "real" Americans. Gimme some subversive, outspoken, awesome Americans who aren't afraid to shout down the NeoCon Republican't scum and the wishy washy moderate conservative Dems, BOTH of whom SUCK. The only real difference being that Republican'ts are straight up evil and proud of it.

  • Aug. 11, 2010, 5:59 p.m. CST

    choppah

    by JaredP

    you call me racist? what about all the tea partiers carrying signs that say "get the monkey out of office"? you think the party is tolerant? the only thing they know from tolerance is when they take their crystal meth and cant get a high

  • Aug. 11, 2010, 6:02 p.m. CST

    "Thread's dead baby....Thread's dead..."

    by Keblar

  • Aug. 11, 2010, 6:08 p.m. CST

    DOCPAZUZU!

    by Mr. Nice Gaius

    You are a sight for sore Talkback eyes. Welcome back, sir. It has been too long.

  • Aug. 11, 2010, 6:09 p.m. CST

    anchorite, eh?

    by Mr. Nice Gaius

    Well, these are interesting times, indeed.

  • Aug. 11, 2010, 6:10 p.m. CST

    Conservatives have no sense of humor

    by bee152

    Have you ever met a funny conservative? Of course not! Because they are all whiny cry babies. They didn't win the election because they're policies fucked up our country and the world so now they confuse losing an election with tyranny. Notice how they all suddenly don't want to spend any money but had no problem with Bush doubling the national debt. You can yell Kool Aid all you want, Id' rather drink that than Rupert Murdoch's giz.

  • Aug. 11, 2010, 6:38 p.m. CST

    JaredP

    by Rand92

    <p>It is people like you who give America its reputation for being gullible and dumb. So blindingly partisan that I question whether you qualify as human or programmed machine. It is pure, blind, partisan bull shit to blame every problem on Bush and the Republicans. Correct me if I am wrong, but wasn't it an Obama appointee who was in charge of BP getting their drilling permit? Both Republicans and Democrats are responsible for the mess we are in. Neither party has the right answers and neither party will ever have the right answers. This is because neither party is in it for the people; they are in it to line their own pockets. The only way this country will be saved is if both parties are completely destroyed and if there are any good people left in either party, that they bail and go elsewhere. Either the people destroy Republicans and Democrats and the blind partisanship that infects both parties like a virus or America goes down the tubes.</p> <p>BTW, I guess that demo for Fox News means they have the only demographic that actually remembers what it was like to live in the United States of America.</p>

  • Aug. 11, 2010, 6:41 p.m. CST

    Another thing JaredP

    by Rand92

    If you are going to call out Tea Partiers who carry racist signs then you have to acknowledge all of the Tea Partiers (the overwhelming majority of them) who confront the people who bring the signs and expel them from their gatherings. Are you willing to do that or is the partisan programming so strong with you that you are incapable of judging for yourself?

  • Aug. 11, 2010, 6:44 p.m. CST

    Senator Obeyme vs. President Obeyme

    by Immortal_Fish

    http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2010/08/10/obama-vs-obama-on-afghani_n_676836.html<P>And I think the comments section is even more damning. This is the Huffington Post, people. Wow. I had wondered when buyer's remorse would eventually kick in.<P>You liberals aren't fooling anyone, you know. It is well documented that you were just about split down the middle between Hillary "Rodan" Clinton and Irock Obeyme. So charming to watch you precious little cupcakes unite to scramble in attempt to carry water for the man.

  • Aug. 11, 2010, 6:46 p.m. CST

    What's your point?

    by Charlie_Allnut

    This is the dumbest post ever.

  • Aug. 11, 2010, 6:48 p.m. CST

    For some reason, old = stupid in the eyes of some

    by daggor

    Until you get old, then everyone else thinks you're stupid.

  • Aug. 11, 2010, 6:49 p.m. CST

    Racism at Tea Parties

    by Immortal_Fish

    Look! Press Release!<P>http://jaysanalysis.wordpress.com/2010/08/09/democratic-operative-busted-smearing-rand-paul-at-fancy-farm/

  • Aug. 11, 2010, 7:06 p.m. CST

    I thought this was a thread on Roman Polanski

    by leo54304

    The way everyone is getting so worked up.

  • Aug. 11, 2010, 7:21 p.m. CST

    rand92

    by JaredP

    judging by that name your either a ron paul fan or a rand paul fan doesnt matter which there both douches and your a douche for defending anyone involved with the tea party show me one tea partier that has thrown one of their own out on their keister and ill show you a smart conservative

  • Aug. 11, 2010, 7:28 p.m. CST

    THE_CHOPPAH, you're bullshiting right?

    by DeusExMachina

    You're going to sit here and say that Christianity doesn't discriminate against other religions? You're being sarcastic about the whole not forcing religion down peoples throats and shit?

  • Aug. 11, 2010, 7:34 p.m. CST

    Rand92 and the Fox News demo

    by DeusExMachina

    They are he only demographic that actually remembers what it was like to live in the United States of America... and that's part of the problem.

  • Aug. 11, 2010, 7:49 p.m. CST

    DuesExMachina lol

    by happyboy

    Christianity is the least discriminatory of all religions... and that's exactly the selling point why it has so many converts. Compare it to Judaism which anoints a "Chosen Race" and condones misdeads on the non-Chosen and puts Christians and Muslims behind a wall to live life in Israel. Or Hinduism which establishes castes which leads millions to starve and hundreds of millions to live life without economic opportunity. Tibetan Buddhism which establishes a serf society and encourages militant nationalism. Christianity is EZMODE religion. It doesn't demand that you be a PERFECT PERSON like Buddhism or live a life of ritual and discipline like Shinto. All it asks is that you simply "believe" and you're saved. Obviously though that's 1 step too much for most people. Christianity is evangelical obviously since that's the roots of the religion... compared to say Judaism which again says there's CHOSEN and even allowing ppl into the faith is a sin... but it's far from discriminatory. I'm not Christian but at least know what you're criticizing. Being totally clueless about the thing you're ranging about makes you look stupid.

  • Aug. 11, 2010, 8:19 p.m. CST

    Its people who discriminate against others based on religion

    by leo54304

    This goes for all religions including christianity. Right now some conservative christian groups are doing their best to capitalize on the public wariness of muslims by making the religion an even bigger bogeyman than it is now. It may not be discrimination but it is fearmongering. Well researched post Happy Boy.

  • Aug. 11, 2010, 8:27 p.m. CST

    FACT: The older a person is the more horrible they are.

    by Darth_Inedible

    Seriously anyone born before say 1946 is pretty much a piece of racist, sexist, homophobic garbage even if they claim otherwise. Folks we are living in the greatest, most tolerant age in American history right now. These are the golden times. The only way it could possibly get better is if we replaced every crusty-ridden senator and congressman with precious, innocent pre-pubescent eloi drawn from our wonderous public school system.

  • Aug. 11, 2010, 8:34 p.m. CST

    I give Clinton credit. He lied about being a moderate

    by Coughlins Laws

    to get elected. Then, in his first 2 years, he went WAYYYY to the left. But, after Republicans took control of Congress in 1995, Clinton went back to the center and worked with the GOP in Congress. Divided government turned out to be a good thing. Clinton kept the Republicans from going to far right and the GOP kept Clinton towards the center. Clinton's a shrewd politician and he did what he needed to do to survive. He's even made people forget he's a lying pervert. However, Obama does NOT have the political skills to turn right like Clinton did after the Democrats get clobbered in November.

  • Aug. 11, 2010, 8:53 p.m. CST

    God, the Invisible Asshole

    by Star Hump

    Catchy, Xen. :)

  • Aug. 11, 2010, 8:54 p.m. CST

    Religion and Divided Govt

    by Coordinate_System

    <P>HappyBoy, you're close: Christianity requires both Faith (love God with everything you got) and Good Works (love your fellow person as you love yourself). Unfortunately, its not always practiced as such.</P> <P>I agree with Coughlin, divided govt did work out for the US during the Clinton era. I would like to see a slight Republican majority in Congress. However, I disagree that Obama would not be able work in such an environment. He strikes me as being both intelligent and pragmatic enough to be able to negotiate with Congress to reach an agreement that both sides can live with. Of course it would help if the members of congress also were intelligent and pragmatic, but one problem at a time.:-)</P>

  • Aug. 11, 2010, 8:57 p.m. CST

    coughlins law

    by JaredP

    there you go again trying to paint obama and the democrats as too liberal too stupid but it was your buddys your party and their right wing ideology that fucked things up ill admit clinton played too close to the center on gays in the military and some other things but he did the best he could and if obama didnt have all these bluedog democrats in congreess hed get a lot more done

  • Aug. 11, 2010, 9:29 p.m. CST

    Gingrich ruined Republican party

    by leo54304

    When he and his contract with america took control of congress, the GOP of old was destroyed. Where once republican elders Reagan, Goldwater, Buckley and the elder Kristol found common ground with democrats, Newts GOP would have none of it. With lobbyists it was deal with GOP only or get cut out any legislative bills. To the dems, they cut out entirely any input. This attitude of no cooperation continued thru Bush 2 and is still practiced in todays congress. With an eye on the november congressional election and 2012 presidential one, the republicans in congress have attempted to kill any legislation for political gain at the expense of improving the country. This is something Reagan, Goldwater and others would never do.

  • Aug. 11, 2010, 9:33 p.m. CST

    Dis shit still goin on?

    by Liberal_Warrior

    We need a better type of right wing-nut troll, these motards can't even lick the sweat off my left nut

  • Aug. 11, 2010, 10:17 p.m. CST

    "Irock Obeyme"

    by BurnHollywood

    Man, that lame meme-attempt has even less legs than that stupid fucking "Moonbat" shit from five years back...

  • Aug. 12, 2010, 1:26 a.m. CST

    What the FUCK Herc???????

    by Skraggo

    What is the POINT of your even posting this article??? Did you take a fucking bong hit and decide that it had been too many days since politics was endlessly and uselessly "debated" in a fucking talkback??? What's next on your calendar? A Roman Polanski article? Fuck. Awful.

  • Aug. 12, 2010, 1:42 a.m. CST

    Happy Boy

    by DocPazuzu

    I would suggest actually reading books about the religions you just mentioned rather than regurgitate your pastor's pap. <p> The Jews aren't a chosen "race", which is perfectly obvious for anyone who's ever seen the average slice of the Jewish Israeli population. What they believe themselves "chosen" for is to suffer for man's sins (much like Jesus in Christianity), not cash in some sort of get out of jail free card or VIP pass into Heaven. In fact, Judaism is one of the few religions that DOESN'T exclude people of other faiths getting into Heaven. Furthermore, it is not "a sin" to accept converts into the faith. Instead, would-be converts are initially discouraged to convert as it's traditionally fraught with the potential of prejudice and oppression to become a Jew. <p> Your bullshit about the other religions is similarly poorly researched.

  • Aug. 12, 2010, 1:43 a.m. CST

    MNG!

    by DocPazuzu

    Good to see you. Same old, same old, eh?

  • Aug. 12, 2010, 1:47 a.m. CST

    A Palin/Obama ticket would be effing awesome

    by RPLocke

    Damn, that would send Fox News running for the hills.

  • Aug. 12, 2010, 3:08 a.m. CST

    Wow thats cool.

    by cornstalkwalker

    actually it isn't cool news so why is it being talked about here.

  • Aug. 12, 2010, 4:33 a.m. CST

    "Fox News: Pandering to the Irrelevant!"

    by JT Kirk

    Shit, that was harsh, even for me. But true. <p>I totally forgot what the "Oxygen" channel is, it's Lifetime-lite. With that, the list of the youngest nets - Oxygen, Bravo, VH1 Classic, Travel and TLC - says that apparently, women and gay men are younger than the rest of us. And here I thought time was linear and constant!

  • Aug. 12, 2010, 4:48 a.m. CST

    Bicycle Sharer

    by hst666

    I want to clarify something. I agree that many factors have contributed to the current crisis, but between two specific causes - Mortgage failures and mortgage backed derivatives, the latter has WAY more to do with the current crisis than the former. Private sector interests packaged loans they knew were bad and obtained top ratings from the rating agencies and then sold these bad financial instruments all over the world. Without the derivatives the mortgage failures themselves would have had much less impact.

  • Aug. 12, 2010, 4:59 a.m. CST

    Oh and The-Choppah is a troll

    by hst666

    He's doing a caricature of a conservative. He's probably a fellow lib.

  • Aug. 12, 2010, 8 a.m. CST

    Pure vitriol

    by thetodd

    You people represent the United States of America. Apart from the fact that this is an anonymous website forum, I don't see how anyone can believe America is great if it's made up of such opinions. I would be disgusted to call any of you (well, most of you- I didn't bother reading everything as my faith in humanity would've been completely destroyed) my neighbour.

  • Aug. 12, 2010, 8:03 a.m. CST

    by thetodd

    But I take that back in the same breath because it's being just a tad oversensitive. Just a tad.

  • Aug. 12, 2010, 9:12 a.m. CST

    Debating pollitics and talking bad about others

    by leo54304

    is part of politics. Back in Andrew jacksons day, the personal attacks on him and his wife were so nasty, she had a heart attack and died. jackson never forgave his political enemies for that. A rumor spread by the GOP against FDR had him getting syphillis from Eleanor because she slept with a black man. What you've read is simply what people have doing since gov'ts have been around and people had political views. The newspapers going as far back as Washingon were nothing more than attack machines for the owners political enemies. So even though the rhetoric gets hot, its just politics.

  • Aug. 12, 2010, 9:20 a.m. CST

    Course people can go overboard

    by leo54304

    Take the French revolution, the popular uprising didn't stop at overthrowing the monarchy and nobility system. Nope, they went on a serious killing spree on the nobles. Then "the terror" started and it got even crazier. Same with the bolshevik revolution and Mao's cultural revolution all instances where mass deaths were caused by political doctrine and pent up class rage.

  • Aug. 12, 2010, 9:23 a.m. CST

    America does have it fringe elements

    by leo54304

    White supremacists, survival groups, etc ususally with a christian theme. Mix in having the first african american in a troubled economy and the potential is there for isolated incidents of violence.

  • Aug. 12, 2010, 9:23 a.m. CST

    Red Ned

    by The Bicycle Sharer

    I never said that the derivatives were driven by pols. The faulty mortgages, however, were. Well, by pols and "community organizers." Now, I got no love for those who packaged those faulty mortgages and sold 'em as bottled gold, but to say that derivatives caused all the problems is a bit simplistic. It was defaulting mortgages packaged as derivatives. So, the fault lies, imho, with shitty loans, pols, community organizers, and financial "gurus" who packaged a product designed (by ALL involved) to fail. The blame rests equally on all of these folks, not any one (deadbeats, pols, community organizers, or financial wizards) solely.

  • Aug. 12, 2010, 9:28 a.m. CST

    Red Ned on the Towers

    by The Bicycle Sharer

    I agree with you on the failures of Bush and the Republicans to rebuild those Towers, but the fault also lies LARGELY with local New York politicians (Dems mostly, I believe). I saw a news show about a year ago (PBS?) about the squabbling and infighting surrounding those buildings. It's a fucking shame. I can't wait for that Ground Zero mosque to be built BEFORE the Towers are rebuilt as a shining fucking example of the failures of our system - federal and local, Republican and Democrat. And if someone think that's harsh, well, then, why the fuck don't we get off our asses AND BUILD SOME SHIT IN THIS COUNTRY!!! Starting with those fucking Towers!

  • Aug. 12, 2010, 9:37 a.m. CST

    The only reason the average modern human age is 67...

    by GimpInMyPants

    ...is because of third world countries. In Afghanistan most Afghans don't live past 42. Fourty-freakin-two in 2010. As for the white-hairs flocking to Fox, not surprising. They gotta watch something in between Jeopardy and Wheel of Fortune.

  • Aug. 12, 2010, 10:03 a.m. CST

    Grampa Simpson: MAAATLOCK!!!!!

    by leo54304

  • Aug. 12, 2010, 10:19 a.m. CST

    1 OUT OF EVERY 8 NEWBORNS IS AN ANCHOR BABY

    by BringingSexyBack

    America is so fucked it's not even funny.

  • Aug. 12, 2010, 10:32 a.m. CST

    I have 1 in 12 sexy

    by leo54304

    One of about every 12 babies born in the United States in 2008 was the offspring of unauthorized immigrants, a Pew Hispanic Center study released Wednesday concluded. According to the study, an estimated 340,000 of the 4.3 million babies born in this country that year had parents who were in the United States without legal documentation. Got this from an article on cnn.com. Still too many babies, yes but if you want to change 14th amendment to try and stop anchor babies , do you also get rid of citizens who were birther babies before an amendment change? Are the children of birther babies mentioned above then also to lose citizenship? This is a legal can of worms if you want to change the 14th amendment. Ironically it was the GOP who created the 14th to help slaves and their children become citizens and have the same rights as whites. How times have changed.

  • Aug. 12, 2010, 10:33 a.m. CST

    CNN QUICK VOTE

    by BringingSexyBack

    Should the 14th Amendment be changed so that illegal immigrants' children don't automatically become U.S. citizens? <p> Yes 66% 85212 <p> No 34% 43295 <p> Total votes: 128507 <p> This is not a scientific poll

  • Aug. 12, 2010, 10:35 a.m. CST

    The terrorists on 9/11 all had legal papers

    by leo54304

    to be here and I think they did more damage to our country and economy than any amount of birther babies ever will.

  • Aug. 12, 2010, 10:37 a.m. CST

    Heres what I got form CNN from my article:

    by leo54304

    Despite all the heat, a majority of Americans seem to oppose changing the 14th Amendment. A nationwide poll conducted in June by the Pew Research Center for the People & the Press found that 56 percent of Americans are against changing the citizenship provision while 41 percent favor amending it.

  • Aug. 12, 2010, 10:37 a.m. CST

    1 IN 12? THAT'S EVEN WORSE

    by BringingSexyBack

    I would perhaps apply the change to kids 3 years or younger. That way when they go back to their country they will be young enough to be properly socialized back home.

  • Aug. 12, 2010, 10:39 a.m. CST

    OBVIOUSLY THE PEW RESEARCH CENTER DIDN'T TALK TO ME

    by BringingSexyBack

    Because I would've given them an earful.

  • Aug. 12, 2010, 10:39 a.m. CST

    Ha, good one CHOPPAH

    by leo54304

    Can count on you to lighten the mood guy. Thanks. I do agree with both of you that action needs to be done. Just don't like tampering with the constitution.

  • Aug. 12, 2010, 10:40 a.m. CST

    THE REPUBLICANS CREATED THE 14TH AMENDMENT?

    by BringingSexyBack

    I swear they are hellbent on fucking up America.

  • Aug. 12, 2010, 10:44 a.m. CST

    SO WHO PICKS UP THE HOSPITAL BILL FOR THESE ANCHOR BABIES

    by BringingSexyBack

    I'm guessing it's the citizens.

  • Aug. 12, 2010, 10:52 a.m. CST

    YOU KNOW WHAT AMERICA'S PROBLEM IS?

    by BringingSexyBack

    We're too nice.

  • Aug. 12, 2010, 10:55 a.m. CST

    They did it after the civil war to ensure blacks

    by leo54304

    were granted full citizen rights. If you go to the constitutionsshow.us and look up the 14th amendment it gives the legalese language and history of the amendment. Was created to deal with southerners who had a problem with the 13th amendment the abolition of slavery. The website I mentioned is the official site of the constitution. No political slant at it.

  • Aug. 12, 2010, 10:58 a.m. CST

    The white farmer in question

    by Sgt.Steiner

    said Sherrod saved his farm. And Sherrod was describing and experience about how she overcame racism. The Tea Party movement will never take hold. It's too damn incoherent and filled with a wild range of viewpoints. Militants, racists, people who love the Turner Diaries, truthers, birthers, people with nice things to say about Timothy McVeigh, people who hold open-carry events on the day of the Oklahoma City bombings to threaten the president, people who get misty when they speak of Randy Weaver and Ruby Ridge, people who get frightened at the idea of social security numbers but are not opposed to Mexicans being stopped in the street by police who should out be solving murders and not ssuming the role of the INS, folks who have no problem enjoying public libraries, postal deliveries, and social security checks piss their pants at expanded government healthcare, folks who harp on government regulation, despite the fact it lets Wall Street get away with murder, morons who believe the phrase "Sometimes Grandma will have to take a pill" means "death panels" and not just the rationing that is an integral part of the private insurance policies that the same folks claim to love so much, folks who think global warming is a conspiracy among scientists because some British scientists at ONE universities turned out be the assholes you tend to find in every profession, and, lastly, the kind of bigots who oppose gay marriage, the kind of assholes who go against everything America represents, bigoted pieces of shit who should just shoot themselves right in the fucking head. And Choppah, I hope they build a mosque next your house, you bigoted shit. As a fellow Italian, I am fully qualified to say you're a disgrace to Italians everywhere and are the kind of thicked-headed trash that makes the cast of "Jersey Shore" look good. And Coughlins, Reagan started the deficit game, while dealing genocidal cretins in Nicaragua and El Salvador, to the point where evn Barry fucking Goldwater had had enough. Oh, and my response to any dillhole conservative responses? Mark Wahlberg is gonna say hello to your mothers. Now I'm gonna finish my fucking lunch.

  • Aug. 12, 2010, 10:58 a.m. CST

    THAT MEANS THE 14TH AMENDMENT IS IRRELEVENT TODAY

    by BringingSexyBack

    It's done its job after the Civil War. All blacks were - and should have been - protected. A repeal or change now makes sense to adapt to modern times. This is madness.

  • Aug. 12, 2010, 10:59 a.m. CST

    WHAT ARE YOU HAVING FOR LUNCH?

    by BringingSexyBack

  • Aug. 12, 2010, 11 a.m. CST

    THE SHERROD CASE WAS A TRAVESTY

    by BringingSexyBack

    I saw her reunion with the old white couple and it almost made me tear up. That's what America is. And that's why the damned illegals are coming here. Like I said. TOO NICE

  • Aug. 12, 2010, 11:01 a.m. CST

    Don't know sexy, you're probally right

    by leo54304

    Bigger cost is subsidies to oil companies. Looks like we give them about $4 billion in tax breaks every year. How does congress allow it? Past 2 years oil companies spent $340 million lobbying congress to keep things as they are. Got from following article: http://www.dailykos.com/story/2010/7/12/883637/-NYT:-End-oil-industry-subsidies

  • Aug. 12, 2010, 11:04 a.m. CST

    LEO

    by BringingSexyBack

    Oh yeah I'm no fan of those subsidies. But no doubt that in some cases it's necessary to keep American businesses viable. Can't say that applies to the oil industry but likely to others. Like the car industry. I like what Obama did to save them and American jobs for Americans. But to subsidize services for illegals who don't contribute a cent to the Treasury? Insanity!

  • Aug. 12, 2010, 11:06 a.m. CST

    OBAMA DROPPED THE BALL IN THE SHERROD CASE

    by BringingSexyBack

    How do you fire the woman without looking at all the facts first? Idiot.

  • Aug. 12, 2010, 11:07 a.m. CST

    No, the intent of the law orignally was for blacks

    by leo54304

    But still applies to immigrants, foreign visitors who have kids here (example: tourists from France)as a result of nature. If you're a legal immigrant who wants to be american wouldn't you want your child to be guaranteed us citizenship w/o fear of the child being kicked out? I understand the frustration of the issue but changing the 14th amendment isn't the way to go. Gotta run so can't reply for about another hour. Sorry.

  • Aug. 12, 2010, 11:08 a.m. CST

    LATER LEO

    by BringingSexyBack

    Appreciate the info.

  • Aug. 12, 2010, 11:11 a.m. CST

    I'M PARTIAL TO A 50 FOOT WALL MYSELF

    by BringingSexyBack

    I think the last thing Americans need is more drugs. Bad enough we got high fructose corn syrup killing us.

  • Aug. 12, 2010, 11:21 a.m. CST

    HEY DOCPAZ...

    by Mr. Nice Gaius

    Yeah, for the most part. It's not exactly like old times...there seems to be a new vibe going around. An unsettling vibe. If this thread is any indication, I think this country is headed for blood. Yikes!

  • Aug. 12, 2010, 12:15 p.m. CST

    Fools want to alter the Constitution

    by GimpInMyPants

    It's amazing people are advocating taking away rights. When the Constitution is amended it's usually to add more rights, not take away. This 14th Amendment bullshit is just the Republican Party fanning the flames in an election year. The Constitution isn't being altered any time soon. People who play into the GOP's hands are fools.

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  • Aug. 12, 2010, 12:30 p.m. CST

    Bibleman = Fuckwad

    by PTSDPete

  • Aug. 12, 2010, 12:33 p.m. CST

    FlandersBum

    by PTSDPete

    If the wingnuts learn to GET THE FUCK OUT, there wouldn't be any of these 'divisions'...

  • Aug. 12, 2010, 12:34 p.m. CST

    Republicans are

    by PTSDPete

    hilariously hysterical !

  • Aug. 12, 2010, 12:44 p.m. CST

    USA is a country that had such thing as MCARTHISM

    by ricarleite2

    And people are shocked Fox News exists. The US of A is the most right winged country in the world, barely a facist regime!

  • Aug. 12, 2010, 1:13 p.m. CST

    BUT WE'RE STILL TOO NICE!

    by BringingSexyBack

    Do you have any idea how frustrating that is?

  • Aug. 12, 2010, 1:14 p.m. CST

    BUT WE'RE STILL TOO NICE!

    by BringingSexyBack

    Do you have any idea how frustrating that is?

  • Aug. 12, 2010, 1:18 p.m. CST

    Amnesty is about the best idea I've heard

    by leo54304

    Come forward, work toward a workers visa or citizenship (partial or full) and you won't be arrested or deported. While working toward that visa or citizenship you pay a small regular fee in addition to a lower level of taxes than the average worker. Why lower? Illegal immigrants do all the shit work no one else wants and get paid less the minimum wage most times. Its about about as humane, business friendly and in the spirit of america that I can think. This would be in effect only for those currently in america for a certain period of time after the bill is made law. Its not an open ended bill. An by having the law in place, future immigrants would use the system created by the law to enter america legally, work here and pay taxes. Whether they seek citizenship or just work here is up to them.

  • Aug. 12, 2010, 1:23 p.m. CST

    AND THE MAIN REQUIREMENT: LEARN ENGLISH

    by BringingSexyBack

    and none of this spanglish nonsense either ese!

  • Aug. 12, 2010, 1:30 p.m. CST

    I agree, english s/b the national language

    by leo54304

    If at work with mixed crowd, its english. Off the job, your choice.

  • Aug. 12, 2010, 1:35 p.m. CST

    Things:

    by Red Ned Lynch

    1. Repealing the 14th amendment is a non-issue. It's the gay marriage of the 2010 elections, cynically pushed by a political party that knows going in what a safe gambit it is because there is no practical way it could happen. Read your civics books, kiddies, and find out what it takes to repeal an amendment to the Constitution. Pure political theater. <p> 2. Hi, Bike! I fundamentally disagree with you on the causes of the housing failure. Simply put, AIG insured billions of dollars in loans that Freddie and Fannie (which were, in fact, under some pressure from mostly George's HUD secretary...not Jackson, who famously said that people who weren't for Bush didn't deserve funding so why should he give it to them...but Mel Martinez, who stood beside Bush while they boasted about what they were doing for home ownership in America), refused, and there was no pressure on AIG to insure all the loans they did other than the pressure to cash in on an oversight free regulatory environment. Add that to allowing federally insured institutions to trade on their own accounts and what you're left with is a regulatory environment that encourages the most irresponsible sort of risk taking, with what turned out to be the money from...well...pretty much everyone in America who was invested in any type hedge fund, 401K...oh hell, anything except direct investment, and even most of those folks were murdered when the market crashed. Add that to the deregulation (more Clinton's fault than anyone else's, actually) that allowed financial institutions to cross their streams and grow into untamable behemoths and you have a storm that would kill George, Clooney, Mark Wahlberg and yes, even William Fitchner. <p> I know you're against regulation, but the job of the federal government is to do for its citizens those things they cannot reasonably do for themselves as individuals. Regulating this would certainly be a part of that. <p> 3. I agree that the local politicans in New York, starting with the fake Republican sort of Democratic mayor but working through every aspect of both the city government (mostly D) and even the folks in Albany (a pretty fair mix at the time), acted like a scurrying pack of vermin after the Towers collapsed. The reason that I lay the lion's share of the blame on George Bush is because after the attacks on 9-11 he, and he alone, had a bully pulpit that would have made it simplicity itself for him to guide and guard what came after, a whip hand that rather effortlessly drove this nation into two wars and a stance on surveillance and torture that would have seemed totally unthinkable on September 10, 2001. To suggest that, if he had cared to, he could not have driven the process with what happened at ground zero is simply disingenuous. <p> Hey Gaius! Always cool to see you back around!

  • Aug. 12, 2010, 1:49 p.m. CST

    andrew breitbardt

    by JaredP

    is an immoral cocksucker he has no ethics hes just a spineless little weasel who cant back up his stories with facts

  • Aug. 12, 2010, 1:58 p.m. CST

    GAIUS, PAZUZU, ANCHORITE, POLITICS

    by BringingSexyBack

    This really brings me back. *Hugs*

  • Aug. 12, 2010, 2:13 p.m. CST

    Red, right about 14th amendment

    by leo54304

    And the gay issue carried Bush to victory in Ohio. W/O it as a wedge issue, Kerry would have won. And while running, Bush promised to propose a constitutional amendment defining marriage as between a man and a woman. He did bit a lot in Ohio. Funny, once elected Bush never brought it up. Huh. If it wasn't for the gay marriage issue, no judge Roberts on the supreme court which is even bigger impact on our country than another 4 years of Bush.

  • Aug. 12, 2010, 2:30 p.m. CST

    ILLEGAL GAY ALIENS IS A WHOLE 'NOTHER ISSUE

    by BringingSexyBack

  • Aug. 12, 2010, 2:35 p.m. CST

    Sgt.Steiner, Great Post!

    by Stalkeye

  • Aug. 12, 2010, 2:42 p.m. CST

    Leo...

    by Red Ned Lynch

    ...oh yes. Hey! How many conservative Supreme Court justices does it take to overturn Roe V. Wade? <p> Just one more. <p> No, really, the next one for sure. <p> That one guy was a stealth activist liberal pinko commie stooge, so we need one extra. <p> A community organizer got in his eyes! <p> Duck! Al Franken! <p> The next one. <p> Funny how they find a corporatist every time, though.

  • Aug. 12, 2010, 2:48 p.m. CST

    Who the hell watches Rick's List?

    by RPLocke

    Rick reminds me of some ADD kid you knew in High School.

  • Aug. 12, 2010, 2:54 p.m. CST

    Speaking of corporatist, how about the ruling

    by leo54304

    that allows corporations right to spend unlimited amounts of money in any house/senate in all the states? They don't like someone, they can spend $20 million to take 'em down if they want to. Its allll legal. This is scary.

  • Aug. 12, 2010, 3:01 p.m. CST

    Leo...

    by Red Ned Lynch

    ...just as the founding fathers intended, huh? Good thing the Republicans have taken a stand against them there activist judges. <p> Wait, you think Thomas Jefferson DIDN'T intend for ExxonMobil to be treated like your neighbor Ralph?

  • Aug. 12, 2010, 3:05 p.m. CST

    Red Ned Lynch, I pity you...

    by Coughlins Laws

    1. Why must you attack the motives of hundreds of millions of Americans? To you, everything that conservatives want is somehow motivated by how to get elected. Has it ever occurred to you that maybe we want what we think are the right things for the country?<p>2. Again, Freddie Mac and Freddie Mae were FORCED to issue loans to those who couldn't pay. Forget about AIG for a second, laws pushed through by liberal politicians are what forced all of these bad loans. Barney Frank fought tooth and nail against Republicans in Congress from trying to stop the practice. If you want, I'll give you a link to a Congressional hearing on this from 2003 if you don't believe it...<p>3. How could you POSSIBLY blame this on Bush? Are you out of your mind? A US President has ZERO say over local building or what goes where. This is the silliest point you've come up with yet. What is wrong with you?

  • Aug. 12, 2010, 3:08 p.m. CST

    Regarding illegal aliens: kick them out. Really.

    by ricarleite2

    I am not an american, but I believe those illegal immigrants have no right being there, and the government has the right of kicking them out, but only if it offers two things: first, the ability to get into the country legally to work. Have a database of low paying jobs (or jobs for which very specialized labor is needed), and cross this information with people who want to get into america. Have them become legal citizens. Second: treat the LEGAL immigrants fucking nice - and as a matter of fact, anyone who is foreigner. I've been to the United States several times, both as tourist and on business trips, and there is NO place on Earth I feel most unwelcome, starting on the airport, immigration feds, and people's reaction towards you. Even though I have a valid visa, some people treat me as if I'm some mexican who ran the border. I even got yelled to by a redneck who shouted me to leave america to americans (I said nothing and walked away). So, bottom line is, kick the illegals out, but treat the legal ones like human beings.

  • Aug. 12, 2010, 3:13 p.m. CST

    I'm sorry, I meant tens of millions of Americans.

    by Coughlins Laws

    I just had a Barack Obama moment. I do know that we have only 50 states, though...

  • Aug. 12, 2010, 3:22 p.m. CST

    Coughlin...

    by Red Ned Lynch

    ...your pity for me touches me more deeply than I could ever say. <p> That someone like you, who has virtually no cognitive reasoning ability at all, could swim through the hoary stew of fear, ignorance and blind faith in those who enable your feelings of victimization and empty righteousness to feel sympathy, perhaps even empathy, for another is a testament to the human spirit. <p> Because of this it truly hurts me to point out that in answer to your first point, one of my very favorite verses in the Bible reads "By their fruit shall ye know them" <p> That in answer to your second point you still haven't countered a single one of the facts I have listed above by your repeated rainman-like Chthulian chant of Utube, and that saying Forget about AIG is like blaming Pearl Harbor on the Hawaiians and saying "forget about the Japanese for a second" <p> And that three, if you're saying that after 9-11 Bush could not have used his bully pulpit to shape what happened on Ground Zero in the direction he wanted you are either too stupid for it to be worthwhile continuing with, too self-deluded for it to be reasonable or too dishonest for it to be anything more than an amusement. The Bush administration bullied telecom companies into handing over the records of millions of Americans extra-legally. Hell, there are plenty of legal ways they could have taken over the the real estate at ground zero. <p> Really, I can't believe even you're stupid enough to not know that, or to believe that you can bluff your way through it. <p> One last thing. I've proven, in this talkback and many others that I can argue with people without resorting to ad-hominem attacks. Hell, as my discussion with Bike should prove I can argue a range of political issues with someone and still like them. And I've let you slip in about five in this thread without responding in kind, because frankly it doesn't strike me as fair to pick on the kid from the short bus that everyone else is already pantsing. <p> But I can do the ad-hominem's just fine, too, and a lot better than you can. So if that's really the song you want to play, Coughlin, I'll dance.

  • Aug. 12, 2010, 3:23 p.m. CST

    Coughlins Laws

    by Stalkeye

    How can banks be forced to lend money over to those who cannot afford housing? from what you have mentioned, it sounds like they(Freddie Mac and Fannie Mae) were strong-armed by congress when if fact, the subprime loans were more like a get rich quick scam. those who could not afford to repay would have their homes foreclosed and sold to someone else while the lenders would continue to profit.<p>No doubt i'll be looking into this accusation or fact.

  • Aug. 12, 2010, 3:36 p.m. CST

    KENBATES

    by Half-Baked-Goggle-Box-Do-Gooder

    The essence of conservatism - Walks into an admittedly liberal site, complains about the liberal slant and demands that it be changed. What a fucking idiot.

  • Aug. 12, 2010, 3:46 p.m. CST

    BARACK SUPPORTS DANCE BATTLE IN LIEU OF FORECLOSURE BILL

    by BringingSexyBack

    Jamie Dimon will represent for the banks, should this pass. I for one vote Yea.

  • Aug. 12, 2010, 3:48 p.m. CST

    STEP UP OR GET TA STEPPIN'

    by BringingSexyBack

  • Aug. 12, 2010, 3:49 p.m. CST

    The conservative view that a minority...

    by ufoclub1977

    ... that influences the lives of the majority is an evil is really funny considering that's the only way any kind of philosophical, scientific, or cultural progress has ever been made. Period. We'd still be living naked digging around if it were not for the rare minority mind sparks of inspiration and propaganda that are pushed and overake us. We'd still be thinking that brute force is the proper way to win a debate (which would kill of a lot of you!), that the Earth is flat, and wait for sunlight or fire to see at night.

  • Aug. 12, 2010, 5:05 p.m. CST

    Minority Influencing the Majority...

    by The Dreaded Rear Admiral

    Is sometimes necessary. Civil Rights wasn't popular in the South, and would not have survived an up-or-down vote, so it pretty much got rammed thru. Worked out for the best. Same with women's rights in the early part of last century. Sometimes, the majority is on the wrong side of history, and the Tea Party is trying to make hay out of this. Not saying the Tea Party is a majority, but the majority of the Tea Party is those bitter white rednecks who feel they're getting told what's what from DC.

  • Sometimes the majority of the country should outweigh the majority of the state

  • Aug. 12, 2010, 5:47 p.m. CST

    I meant "A" state

    by hst666

  • Aug. 12, 2010, 5:57 p.m. CST

    Regarding 14th amendment

    by hst666

    I don't understand why we can't consider all children born here as US citizens but still send them home with their parents. <p><p>The major reason illegal immigration hasn't been stopped is corporate America, intent on busting the few unions that have hung for survival, has insisted they be available for cheap labor and to depress the wages of American workers. Therefore, the bulk of effort to stem illegal immigration should be spent on penalizithese corporations. <p><p>Having said that, when an illegal couple is found out and going to be deported, there are four option options if they have a US born child: (1) Allow the child to remain with a relative who legally resides in the US; (2) Allow one or both parents to remain; (3) Make the child a ward of the state; or (4) deport it with the parents and let the child return on it's own when it's old enough and for good when it's 18. (1) and (4) are the only truly fair options.

  • Aug. 12, 2010, 5:59 p.m. CST

    To be clear

    by hst666

    The child should be considered a US citizen regardless. And if you support a guest worker program, you are just evil or stupid.

  • Aug. 12, 2010, 6:23 p.m. CST

    Red Ned Lynch

    by Mr. Nice Gaius

    Thanks and likewise, sir. I applaud your patience in discussing the various issues in this TB. Keep punchin'.

  • Aug. 12, 2010, 6:24 p.m. CST

    BSB

    by Mr. Nice Gaius

    Alright, alright already. Enough with the huggin'.

  • Aug. 12, 2010, 6:30 p.m. CST

    Gaius...

    by Red Ned Lynch

    ...clearly a lot of us miss you.

  • Aug. 12, 2010, 6:36 p.m. CST

    I didn't

    by RPLocke

  • Aug. 12, 2010, 7:47 p.m. CST

    Thanks, Red Ned. 'Tis appreciated.

    by Mr. Nice Gaius

  • Aug. 12, 2010, 7:50 p.m. CST

    RPLocke

    by Mr. Nice Gaius

    Liar.

  • Aug. 12, 2010, 7:51 p.m. CST

    Repugnican's attitude towards the 14th Amendment:

    by Half-Baked-Goggle-Box-Do-Gooder

  • Aug. 12, 2010, 7:58 p.m. CST

    Repugnican's attitude towards the 14th Amendment:, Pt II:

    by Half-Baked-Goggle-Box-Do-Gooder

    Remember - Just a few years ago, this is the same amendment that conservatives were trying to alter in order to allow a certain foreign-born, naturalized citizen, namely Schwarzenegger (whose star was riding a lot higher), to run for fucking president. <p>Funny how that worked out, ain't it? "NO GODDAMN FOREIGNERS ON AMERICAN SOIL - Except, of course, the ones that we can use to further our own goals." <p>In other words, nothing's changed. Motherfucking lying cunts.

  • Aug. 12, 2010, 8:08 p.m. CST

    IF YOU'RE WHITE, YOU'RE ALRIGHT. IF YOU'RE BROWN

    by BringingSexyBack

    get outta town. That's the 14th Amendment in a nutshell.

  • Aug. 12, 2010, 8:09 p.m. CST

    THEY WANTED SCHWARTENZEGGER AS PRESIDENT?

    by BringingSexyBack

    Jiminy Crickets.

  • Aug. 12, 2010, 8:21 p.m. CST

    MNG - FEELS LIKE 2006 DON'T IT?

    by BringingSexyBack

  • Aug. 12, 2010, 8:21 p.m. CST

    Red Ned

    by Hey_Kobe_Tell_Me_How_My_Ass_Tastes

    You are out-fucking-standing as a TB'er. I've only seen a precious few others in your league - and most of them no longer post. Keep on truckin

  • Aug. 12, 2010, 8:56 p.m. CST

    palooka_boy

    by Bastard_Chief

    "haha old people suck" Well, maybe you'll die young so you won't suck

  • Aug. 12, 2010, 10:09 p.m. CST

    Sexy gets best one liner of day:

    by leo54304

    IF YOU'RE WHITE, YOU"RE ALRIGHT. IF YOU'RE BROWN GET OUT OF TOWN. Your 6 pack of colt 45 will be delivered early friday night by Mr Billy Dee himself. Enjoy.

  • Aug. 12, 2010, 10:14 p.m. CST

    hst666 excellent post on immigrant babies

    by leo54304

    One question though, your second said if you support a guest worker program you are evil or stupid. I take it you mean the parents. Does my post on amnesty and the work options I listed fall under that? I don't think so but I want your opinion as I have a great deal of respect for your opinion on the immigration issue. Again it was an excellent post.

  • Aug. 13, 2010, 12:41 a.m. CST

    Prof Coughlin's Laws- climatologist

    by irritable

    ... and far-right wingnut.<p> Still parroting the Oil & Gas industry PR spin, I see.<p> Around 98-99% percent of scientists engaged in climate research unconditionally accept that human activity is causing rapid climate warming.<p> You know, trained experts who actually carry out research and analyse data.<p> They are unconditionally supported by the Academies of Science of all developed countries.<p> That's many tens of thousands of scientists.<p> You know, people who experts in considering scientific claims.<p> Who disagrees?<p> About 200 climate scientists.<p> Most of them are elderly scientists not engaged in current research, many have no direct training in the relevant disciplines, some, spectacularly, have also taken money from the Tobacco Industry to oppose anti-cancer policies.<p> Most of these scientists are funded, directly or indirectly by the Oil & Gas Industry, the Coal Industry, or right wing funding organisations.<p> Skepticism in science is fine: in fact it's mandatory. But those few dissenters have overwhelmingly lost the argument.<p> Fox Network supports climate skepticism - but this is only because the CEO, Rupert Murdoch, runs that network, at vast profit, by confirming the prejudices of foolish, extremist, uneducated, bigoted and elderly US right wingers.<p> Instead of running it as, you know, a source of factual news.<p> The science is proved beyond reasonable doubt - not just on the balance of probabilities.<p>

  • Aug. 13, 2010, 3:27 a.m. CST

    Red Ned Lynch

    by DocPazuzu

    Regarding Coughlin's Law's refusal to counter any of your points -- this is what he's known for here in talkback. Any protracted discussion he's ever been in on these boards has ultimately resulted in a whole host of people asking him why he won't answer a single question put to him or counter any argument which is brought to the table to deflate his posturing. <p> He's an intellectual lightweight.

  • Aug. 13, 2010, 3:28 a.m. CST

    irritable

    by DocPazuzu

    Nice one.

  • Aug. 13, 2010, 4:50 a.m. CST

    leo54304

    by hst666

    My point about guest worker programs (and I did not read your post, nor have I gone back to read what you wrote originally, I'm just explaining my intent) was that they basically facilitate an underclass for Corporate America to use and abuse. They don't have citizenship, can't vote, yet they live and work here. Germany has issues with the Turkish population they have living in their country. Basically businesses will be able to say work 60 hours a week or I'll fire you and you will be sent back to Mexico. Similar to the way they treat Indian Software engineers today.

  • Aug. 13, 2010, 4:56 a.m. CST

    sauronthepowerful

    by hst666

    Maybe you should do a little more research and stop getting all your news from Fox. No data was falsified. The "scandal" was no such thing. And man's contribution to global climate change is nearly indisputable. <p><p>"Appeal to the lower 3% of intellectual 'heavyweights who troll a movie forum trying to espouse their enlightened political 'philosophies' because they are hopelessly outgunned intellectually anywhere else on the net where it might matter" Oh pot...

  • Aug. 13, 2010, 6:53 a.m. CST

    Hmmm, didnt think of it that way. Now feel stupid.

    by leo54304

    But you're right. Hey, come work for us at crappy wages doing the job no one else will but don't expect to be rewarded with something like citizenship. Course with immigrant workers don't have the high overhead of unions, minimum wage, insurance, etc. Course the corporate class around the world loves immigrant workers because of reasons you mentioned. My job is same way, we tell you to work OT at last minute you do or you're fired. We're always told how lucky we are to have a job in this economy. Think you enlightened some people on this issue. I know you did me. Have a good one.

  • Aug. 13, 2010, 7:48 a.m. CST

    Anyone familiar with term SUNDOWN TOWN?

    by leo54304

    Term used to describe towns that deliberately tried to stay all white. After sunset minorities were not allowed in town but allowed them to work in the day though--good enough to work there but not live there. Examples would be Hawthorne CA which had one which read: Nigger, don't let the sun set on YOU in Hawthorne in the 30s. Gardnberville NV blew a whistle at 6 pm daily to let the native americans know it was time to get out. Darien , CT excluded jews. A city close to where I live (Appleton WI) had a sundown law on its book til 82. Now a lot of towns had similiar laws passed back then when segregation was allowed but aren't enforced now because no one knows they're on the books. Can see now why some people long for the "good old days".

  • Aug. 13, 2010, 8:48 a.m. CST

    COUGHLIN CONSTANTLY REINFORCES MY LIFELONG WISH...

    by Half-Baked-Goggle-Box-Do-Gooder

    ...That stupidity was painful.

  • Aug. 13, 2010, 8:55 a.m. CST

    RED NED:

    by Half-Baked-Goggle-Box-Do-Gooder

    Well Done, Son. <p>But, never expect coherent or thought-out responses from Coughlin. I sometimes suspect that he's actually nothing more than a software program set up to harvest right-wing gibberish and spew it out on these boards, since he sure as fuck can't (and won't) answer any questions that are put directly to him.

  • Aug. 13, 2010, 9:01 a.m. CST

    Coughlin: Does not compute, error, error, error

    by leo54304

  • Aug. 13, 2010, 10:32 a.m. CST

    leo54304

    by hst666

    Leo, I wouldn't feel stupid. It's possible someone could fasvhion some sort of system that would prevent or limit the exploitation of workers. I just don't see it happening.

  • Aug. 13, 2010, 10:47 a.m. CST

    Casualty Laws

    by HoboCode

    He doesn't even know the definition of the word 'casualty' so how can he expect us to take anything he says seriously.

  • Aug. 13, 2010, 10:49 a.m. CST

    Give Courghlin's some credit

    by InActionMan

    He finally learned to stop posting in all caps. <P> I still think he some sort of right wing Turing Test.

  • Aug. 13, 2010, 10:53 a.m. CST

    THERE IS A WOMAN AT MY JOB WHO IS EXACTLY LIKE COUGHLIN.

    by Half-Baked-Goggle-Box-Do-Gooder

    She gets all of her "news" exclusively from FOX, and she is absolutely convinced that she's a well-rounded, accurately-informed responsible citizen. <P>She also doesn't know whether "the Germans" or "the Japs" won World War II, she can't name more than three of the planets, she can't name more than seven US presidents, the three branches of government, a single state capitol other than her own, more than ten states, more than seven nations worldwide, how many continents there are on this planet, which Kennedy was assassinated - John or Bobby, one single current living world leader other than Obama and Kim Jong-il, and she's the same idiot who thinks that the entire universe resets it's clock when we Americans switch back and forth between daylight savings time and standard time. <p>Her pathetic life says a lot less about her own ignorance than it does FOX's never-ending propaganda campaigns to misinform it's viewers not only about current events, but about their own lack of awareness of their own ignorance. <P> She is the happiest of idiots, stumbling through life and lecturing others on their own failures and mistakes, impervious to any criticism or rebuke, and dismisses all contrary opinions as "liberal atheist garbage". <p>Now, I ain't saying that there's nobody like her on the left...But Goddamn, I see a fuck of a lot MORE people just like her on the right than I do on the left.

  • Aug. 13, 2010, 10:54 a.m. CST

    It'd take another Teddy Roosevelt

    by leo54304

    to bring about the changes we'd like. look at his record: trust busting, proper regulation of business, he wanted to create a "square deal" for the worker as he called it, curb the power of large corporations, passed the meat inspection act and the pure food and drug act. With Washington the way it is and corporations back to almost pre Roosevelt levels of power, I don't see another TR with the political power to make the changes we need. PS he also put on the supreme court Oliver Wendell Holmes Jr one of the best to sit on that bench.

  • Aug. 13, 2010, 11 a.m. CST

    God is testing you Half baked

    by leo54304

    If it helps, watch the avengers trailer again. I usually watch it one time a day. Course it helps that it has Diana Rigg in prime as Emma Peel.

  • Aug. 13, 2010, 11:02 a.m. CST

    Have her check ancestry.com

    by leo54304

    Maybe she's related to Beck, Palin or one the fox and friends tv show hosts.

  • Aug. 13, 2010, 11:30 a.m. CST

    Bringing Sexy Back

    by Half-Baked-Goggle-Box-Do-Gooder

    Yep, they sure as hell did want to run Schwarzenegger. Dutch's own lack of interest, combined with that pesky li'l ol' amendment's resistance to one of those dirty "activist judge"'s attempt to selectively interpret it to suit the ReCoughlicans' needs of the moment, doomed the whole lousy idea to the shitpile of head-up-the-ass conservative brainstorms. <p>To me, that whole contradictory, then-and-now, two-faced pigfuckery just goes to show the conservatives' total disregard for, and/or lack of respect for the constitution and the Bill of Rights. It also highlights their entire mindset of statemanship as being little more than a Punch & Judy show, an exercise in gory, dumbed-down theater for a brain-dead electorate. I'm pretty goddamned convinced that the current Refuckligan leadership doesn't give a single raggedy rat-fuck about the Constitution, it's history or it's importance beyond what they can momentarily flog as a campaign issue/scare tactic, namely that reliable old stand-by, 2nd amendment. Their shameless ability and willingness to moronically defend or viciously attack the "sacred"/"out-dated" Constitution, according to their immediate convenience, is one of the most disgusting aspects of their philosophy, and it makes me want to feed them all into a mulcher at my earliest opportunity. Fucking unprincipled moral cripples, the goddamn lot of them.

  • Aug. 13, 2010, 11:48 a.m. CST

    Half-Baked

    by HoboCode

    I hope you are exaggerating about the shit your coworker doesn't know. no one can be that stupid, can they?

  • Aug. 13, 2010, 11:55 a.m. CST

    Sauron who should we get our facts from?

    by leo54304

    I only used CNN once on an article and that was for reference from the a study done by pew. Another source was from reuters news. Who should we be getting our "facts" from?

  • Aug. 13, 2010, 11:59 a.m. CST

    Sauron, you right-wing twat.

    by Half-Baked-Goggle-Box-Do-Gooder

    The discrepancies in the Dutch study were miniscule, and the attempt to spin them was indeed misguided and stupid, but with the sheer size of the research into global warming, done by hundreds of independent labs, the Dutch fuck-up wasn't going to unravel the entire climate change fabric. <p>It wasn't a weakest-link-in-the-chain scenario, even though anti-warming eggsuckers wish it were so. It was more like finding out that, out of the entire US defense budget, that some lonely corporal on weekend leave used his government-issue credit card to buy a hooker. <p>It's a very, very, very small scandal, and not the titanic skeleton-in-the-closet straw that conservatives are clinging to. That's all. <p>Sorry if that ruined your day. <p>Make that, I HOPE that ruined your day.

  • Aug. 13, 2010, 12:03 p.m. CST

    Hobocode

    by Half-Baked-Goggle-Box-Do-Gooder

    She sure the fuck is. If she was any dumber, we'd have to water her twice a week. <P>For fuck's sake, she's a flabby-assed fifty-year-old white broad who still wears cornrows. It's embarrassing to admit that I've talked to her enough to learn as much about her as I have.

  • Aug. 13, 2010, 12:04 p.m. CST

    Someone can be that stupid Hobo

    by leo54304

    Victoria Jackson (of SNL fame) said this on Hannity: Well, I've never been involved in politics. 'Cuz it's just neh neh neh, neh neh neh. But all of a sudden it was, it was: Oh, Hillary Clinton is a socialist, she wants to socialize medicine. Well, I'll have to vote against her. And then all of a sudden a communist appears! Out of nowhere! And that's when I started to get involved. So I did research. Uh, black liberation theology, his church, is Marxist. And his professors are Marxist. Redistribute the wealth. Remember during the election that elderly lady said Obama was a muslim and McCain had to correct her. So yeah, there are people like that.

  • Aug. 13, 2010, 12:09 p.m. CST

    A 50 year old woman...

    by HoboCode

    does not know that neither the Germans nor the Japanese won WWII? And that the Allies or at least the U.S. were the victors? JeeeZUS.

  • Aug. 13, 2010, 12:11 p.m. CST

    To be fair...

    by Red Ned Lynch

    ...a remarkable amount of conservatives are coming out against this newest little attempt by the Republican party to turn Americans against each other. Two of the latest were Michael Gerson, who was one of George's go-to speechwriters, came out swinging in a column today. And Mike Huckabee answered the question as to whether he favored attempting to repeal the 14th with a simple no. <p> Keep in mind that the Republicans are mounting a multiple attack at the moment in their attempt to turn Americans against each other. They are also coming out against teachers, firefighters and policemen. <p> Well, once again to be fair, Republican governors are NOT doing this. Almost all of those guys, who are actually responsible for governing their states, reached out to the White House asking for help in limiting the lay-offs of policemen, firefighters, teachers and state health care professionals that would result from the 26 billion dollar relief package passed this week. Even Chris Christie, governor of New Jersey. Yeah, the guy whose whole raison d'etre is being a deficit hawk. <p> But the Republican party as a whole is now blaming teachers, policemen, firemen and the rest for "bankrupting the government". <p> Kind of like claiming that US auto employees were fatcats because their total salaries and benefits were so much higher than the auto employees in countries where...the government pays for their health insurance. (because once you removed insurance costs from their packages US union employees working in the auto industry actually made less than $1.00 more an hour than the folks they were being compared to). <p> Oh when they came for the unions I said hell yeah, because those unions were welfare queens. When they came for the police I said hell yeah, because the police were welfare queens. When they came for the teachers I said hell yeah, because those teachers were welfare queens. <p> Here's a little hint: If you're listening to and following someone who tells you another group of your fellow countrymen...you know, the folks who live across the street or down the block...are your enemies every election cycle... <p> ...you've probably aligned yourself with the bad guys. Really, read some history. It'll bear this out.

  • Aug. 13, 2010, 12:13 p.m. CST

    The fast-track to citizenship...

    by Immortal_Fish

    Enlist.

  • Aug. 13, 2010, 12:14 p.m. CST

    Apparently Tea Partiers are rabidly against net neutrality.

    by HoboCode

    Shocker.

  • Aug. 13, 2010, 12:15 p.m. CST

    Victoria Jackson had to be corrected by Fox news

    by leo54304

    when she said the Obama was a communist. And if Fox corrects a rightwing fan, you know that person is wayyy out there. Check it out: http://mediamatters.org/mmtv/201003260011

  • Aug. 13, 2010, 12:18 p.m. CST

    Fast Track to intelligence...

    by Half-Baked-Goggle-Box-Do-Gooder

    Watch something other than FOX for your news.

  • Aug. 13, 2010, 12:18 p.m. CST

    Hey Hey Kobe...

    by Red Ned Lynch

    ...thank you, but I ain't even in the hot one hundred. I'm just mild enough I've gotten to keep my one name for a very long time. <p> 'Cause really, anyone who was half bright would eventually stop being amused at the opportunity to write "Hey Hey Kobe" at the top of posts.

  • Aug. 13, 2010, 12:26 p.m. CST

    Hobocode, Leo524304...

    by Half-Baked-Goggle-Box-Do-Gooder

    The same dumb bitch thought that Martin Luther king Jr. had once been POTUSA, until she heard Obama referred to as the first black president.

  • Aug. 13, 2010, 12:32 p.m. CST

    Half-baked

    by HoboCode

    Where in the fuck do you live?

  • Aug. 13, 2010, 12:34 p.m. CST

    I hope she never has children.

    by leo54304

    probally only has sex on national holidays. "Its my patriotic duty".

  • Aug. 13, 2010, 12:42 p.m. CST

    Gingrich has weird ideas on marriage

    by leo54304

    Twice he's proposed marriage to other women when he was still married. That esquire article should be a good read. Didn't he come to washington with his revolution that touted family values? Guess the sanctity of marriage applies to others and not himself.

  • Aug. 13, 2010, 12:51 p.m. CST

    It's stunning how often RPLocke and I...

    by The Bicycle Sharer

    Are on opposite sides of an issue. Fucking stunning.<p>I watch Rick's List. Plus Dylan Ratigan, Chris Matthews, Beck, O'Reilly, Contessa Brewer (for fuckin' obvious reasons - probably oughta keep a box of kleenexes by the couch), Andrea Mitchell, Olbermann, Baier, Morning Joe, and a shit load of others. Oh, yeah, Wolf Blitzer and Megyn Kelly, too. All of those, I bounce back and forth between, depending on the segment and what they're saying. I also hit Drudge, CNN, Fox News, MSNBC and a shit load of other news sites. I also read the LA Times and the WSJ (and occasionally the Washington Post and Times). I'm an informed idiot. ;-)

  • Aug. 13, 2010, 12:53 p.m. CST

    Also watch

    by The Bicycle Sharer

    Olbermann, Ed Schultz, and Rachel Maddow. It's amusing to watch 'em all, see the slant in each, and listen to 'em bitch and moan about how biased all the OTHER guys are.

  • Aug. 13, 2010, 1:34 p.m. CST

    Hobocode

    by Half-Baked-Goggle-Box-Do-Gooder

    Springfield, Illinois, where there are laundromats, off-track betting parlors and whorehouse named after Abe Lincoln. <p>She has five children, all by different men, never been married - And LOVES to call other women "sluts". Typical, worn-out, self-righteous old bar slut. <p>Y'know, as long as we're talking about ancient, wizened, bitter, belligerent old whores - <p>http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FukYIJhc_C8 <p>You're Welcome.

  • Aug. 13, 2010, 1:40 p.m. CST

    And then they run video of Fox and prove it

    by leo54304

  • Aug. 13, 2010, 1:43 p.m. CST

    I do like fox news with Shepard Smith

    by leo54304

    Thats a first rate program. The commentary shows I don't like because I feel they're biased, unfair and don't bother with fact checking.

  • Aug. 13, 2010, 1:51 p.m. CST

    Afghanistan trips: Meadow-1, Beck/Reilly/Hannity-0

    by leo54304

    She spent a week in Afghanistan talking to the troops of all ranks, volunteers and afghans. Visited check poins and went on a walking patrol with a squad. She asked the question no one has or wants asked: How long do we continue to pay the cost of running Afganistan? Cuz right now, Afghanistan can't and won't for decades(?) Plus Meadow was been down to the gulf detailing the effect of the oil spill on fisherman and talking to them getting their feedback at least twice. The fox commentators none.

  • Aug. 13, 2010, 4 p.m. CST

    all the women on fox news

    by JaredP

    are fucking blonde barbie dolls that dont know shit about theyre talking about. theyre the epitome of talking heads thats all. the men arent any better glen beck spouts off about anything under the sun. stuff thats not even true like the empire state building being a communist symbol rockefeller being a liberal what a douche!!!

  • Aug. 13, 2010, 4:17 p.m. CST

    Yes, but all the women on Fox are...

    by The Bicycle Sharer

    Blonde barbie dolls! Nothing wrong with that in my book. Oh and Beck didn't say that the Empire State Building was a communist symbol or that Rockefeller was a liberal. He said that there were "progressive" bas reliefs in Rockefeller Center (being built in the 30s, it was a big thing - dudes carrying scythes and marching and shit) and that Rockefeller was a progressive. Talk about not knowing what you're talking about. Maybe you should try at least paying attention and remembering during Olbermann's show. (I saw the same ones on Countdown and at least *I* can remember what he said.)

  • Aug. 13, 2010, 4:19 p.m. CST

    That's MADDOW, not MEADOW, leo54304

    by The Bicycle Sharer

    And Chris Matthews trips to Afghanistan? Zero. Ed Schultz? Zero. Keith Olbermann? Zero.

  • Aug. 13, 2010, 4:22 p.m. CST

    Wanna look like a moron, leo54304?

    by The Bicycle Sharer

    Just copy and paste this link into your browser and check out the story and the pics - http://tiny.cc/t6w5q. Weird. I thought Bagram AFB was in Afghanistan. Maybe that's Maddow in an O'Reilly mask and some lifts, huh?

  • Aug. 13, 2010, 4:38 p.m. CST

    My point bicycle is that the commentators on fox

    by leo54304

    Like to talk about patriotism (country and theirs) and how we have to stand tough in Iraq and Afghanistan. Which is true but they never ask the tough questions such as: are we winning? if so why/why not? Have they talked to any of the troops on the ground or the people of afghanistan? Who's going to pay to keep Afghanistan going after we leave? Answer: the american taxpayer for the next few decades. Why? Don't know. If Rachael Maddow (thanks for correcting my misspelling, my mistake) can get pentagon approval to go to a danger zone so should Beck/Hannity. Not going to include Limbaugh cuz he dodged Nam as a young man, no way he's going somewhere like Afghanistan at his current age.

  • Aug. 13, 2010, 4:41 p.m. CST

    My thanks to Bill O'Reilly for visiting Afghanistan

    by leo54304

    and giving our troops a much needed morale boost. I also thank you bicycle for letting me know my mistake. Think you're a decent guy and don't have any hard feelings toward you.

  • Aug. 13, 2010, 4:41 p.m. CST

    Fully-baked, re: "Fast Track to intelligence..."

    by Immortal_Fish

    Are you saying the enlisting is _not_ a fast track to citizenship?<P>Is another obscure example of how liberals are pro-military, perhaps?<P>Or is this simply Rule #5?

  • Aug. 13, 2010, 4:48 p.m. CST

    The others I give passes on because

    by leo54304

    they have sponsored many FREE medical clinics here in america for those who don't have health care. These are tax paying, hard working americans who can't afford healthcare insurance and so don't get the medical attention they need. They have contributed financially and let their audience know about how to their fellow americans who need assistance. Keith has helped raise over $1.2 million to help pay for these clinics donating $50,000 himself. The only thing I see Fox commentators promote is the tea pary or their products. Also bicycle, check the supes thread someone did a good post on Luthor in the movies. Gotta go, talk to you later.

  • Aug. 13, 2010, 5:03 p.m. CST

    I agree on Beck and Hannity, leo

    by The Bicycle Sharer

    They oughta go visit the troops. Though I'll take issue with the free clinics excuse. No excuses. They all (Beck, Hannity, Chris, Ed, and Keith) ought to go. Even if they want out of Afghanistan, they all still claim to support the troops.<p>Will check the Supes thread, brother. I gotta run myself. Always nice talking to you. (And hope you didn't take my "moron" comment to heart. You're anything but.)

  • Aug. 13, 2010, 5:06 p.m. CST

    Hey, Bike!

    by Red Ned Lynch

    Cable news host whose demeanor most makes you wonder how much Prozac is too much Prozac: Wolf Blitzer <p> Cable news host most likely to spend his evenings gazing lovingly at a portrait of himself while sniffing the cork from a bottle of Macallan 1926 and pretending it's his drink of choice: Chris Matthews <p> Cable news host who could be used to medically induce comas: Ed Schultz <p> Cable news host most suited to play a serial murderer in a Lifetime Channel movie: Joe Scaborough <p> Cable news host most suited to play his oblivious simpleton wife: Mika Brezinzki <p> Cable news host most likely to keep her job for an extended period of time after her death: Andrea Mitchell <p> Cable news host most likely to forsake his current career to become a celebrated opera tenor: Glenn Beck <p> Cable news host most likely to try to preserve his head in a jar so that his wit and wisdom can be shared with future generations: Keith Olbermann <p> Cable news host most likely to suffer a cerebral hemorrhage while on the air: Bill O’Riley

  • Aug. 13, 2010, 5:07 p.m. CST

    Leo...

    by Red Ned Lynch

    ...don't worry about getting caught out by Bike. He's done it to me before. That just means it's good.

  • Aug. 13, 2010, 5:07 p.m. CST

    Hey Red!

    by The Bicycle Sharer

    LMMFAO! That shit is toooo funny. You nailed 'em all! (Okay, really gotta run. I've done nothing but AICN all day and the wife is NOT gonna be amused.)

  • Aug. 13, 2010, 5:28 p.m. CST

    Leo54304

    by The Bicycle Sharer

    Man, my wife is literally waiting outside in the car for me, but I felt so bad about the "moron" comment that I ran back in to apologize to you. Sorry, man. I was trying to be funny but that shit came off as douchey. (Douchey? Doesn't he do Fox's morning show?) Anyway, sorry again, brother.

  • Aug. 13, 2010, 5:29 p.m. CST

    Red

    by The Bicycle Sharer

    That's 'cause you deserve it. ;-) (Just kidding, brother. Gotta run. Later.)

  • Aug. 13, 2010, 5:46 p.m. CST

    The Bicycle Sharer You watch all that shit?

    by RPLocke

    No wonder you couldn't understand Lost.

  • Aug. 13, 2010, 7:20 p.m. CST

    bicycle

    by JaredP

    the point im trying to make is that the commentators on fox know nothing which is what rupert murdoch wants in his people, not understaing truth from fiction thats all im saying you cons have more useless windbags than you do sesnsible free thinking people

  • Aug. 13, 2010, 9:30 p.m. CST

    I was a FOX News loving right winger

    by Razorback

    And then I realized that to remain a FOX News loving conservative, I had to discard my humanity once Obama became president. It was then I accepted the error of my ways. Fuck the RNC. Bring on socialism.

  • Aug. 13, 2010, 10:56 p.m. CST

    Bike...

    by Red Ned Lynch

    ...no, really, I did. It was a more typical talkback and you called me out for being a rude pompous ass about whatever the hell the show was. And you were right. And I usually try not to be.

  • Aug. 13, 2010, 11:56 p.m. CST

    Bicycle, again you're right

    by leo54304

    Damn you!! Does your wife ever get tired of it too? The commentators with their shows should go over to Afghanistan to not just show support for the troops but by devoting full episodes to them, gives us back home better understanding of not just the war but the daily lives of our soldiers. As opposed to maybe a 5 minute clip on the 6 o'clock news. Will be working at my 2d job all weekend so won't be posting again til Monday. Will be able to see expendables though and looking forward to finding out what everybody thought. Opening gross expected to be 30 million which I think is too low. Anyway, catch you all monday.

  • Aug. 14, 2010, 12:56 a.m. CST

    Some say Bill O'Reilly is a child molester

    by Creative1

    What say you?

  • Aug. 14, 2010, 2:41 a.m. CST

    Inception

    by cecil1

    want a review from Mr knowles

  • Aug. 14, 2010, 5:11 p.m. CST

    This is hardly surprising

    by tombseye

    We've all known Faux is aimed at shut-ins and elderly conspiracy theorists who think there are death coffins being readied for some sort of purging of real 'Amerukins'. Just to point out something that should be obvious, Faux's audiences is vastly dwarfed by the big network nightly news and averages under 1% of the US population as viewers. In a TV market with so many choices, this infotainment network is considered a ratings monster. Hilarious. And the never shut up about it because news is about ratings and has nothing to do with investigative journalism (which they never do). The real problem isn't even Faux propaganda, which is so laughably a joke in its simplistic delivery and blatant misinformation or 'accidental' photo switches to confuse viewers. The real problem is the mainstream media actually views Faux as a successful news model given its CABLE ratings (wow, almost 3 million views a day, call the presses it's a ratings monster!) and thus tries to appease the vast conservative audience who don't want debbie downer real news, but prefer to hear about all the inner city crime committed by minorities alone and the terrorist threat, which to them, is worse than anything else on the planet (even though conventional war kills millions for example) etc. Real news isn't so sexy, it can be tedious and complicated and requires some critical thinking to assess, but who needs that when you can spend your twilight years worrying about how everyone is out to get you.

  • Aug. 15, 2010, 3:31 p.m. CST

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  • Sept. 18, 2010, 5:23 a.m. CST

    AICN political columns

    by killianx

    Are clearly biased and unfortunately lack any real journalistic effort to make sure the numbers they report are accurate and from a neutrl source. a CBS poll taken on Beck is about as reliable as a Fox poll taken on Obama. he sad thing is they know this but are obviously trying to push what they want the masses to believe. I can almost guarantee the Colbert/ Stewart rallys will not Compare to the Beck rally. Which frankly, at least Beck was attempting to do something positive where as the Colbert/Stewart are framed around mocking that effort. Real classy