Quint joins Harry in the Basement to talk GODZILLA remake, EVIL DEAD remake, DARK KNIGHT RISES, ANT MAN & more!!!

That's a bit confusing.

FIRST!!!!!!!!!!!

Let me guess - he's either skinny like that really skinny nerd guy with the weird bulbous nose......or he's a fat guy with a Worf beard. Movie/comic nerds only come in two varieties.

looking quietly at Jacqueline Bissette actually grossed me out. What am I watching there? Gross mate.

You've LOST (get it?) what little fan base you had left. You and this site are a joke at this point but I absolutely LOVE the talkbacks so I still come here. DKR was AMAZING and your review was SO off base and you clearly couldn't understand the plot or even the POINT! of his retirement. You should clearly stick to Transformers and Godzilla.......

on what happened in Colorado? Nada one? C'mon man...

It's OakenSHEILD, bud. Not "Oakenfield". :) You lose. Thanks for playing.

Sounds like he is bending over backwards to NOT bad mouth The Hobbit.

you avoid the stairs cause you cant walk...lets call a spade a spade and you're just terrible

When is Doug Trumbull coming back on the show?

I'll always be a movie geek. I love all the shit this site promotes. But goddamn if the cliche look of the overweight movie geek isn't true. It's almost eerie how similar I looked like 'Quint' roughly 3 years ago. Two simple tips; buy contacts, and never button-up the top two buttons on your shirt (unless wearing in a suit).

And you know what Harry, I'll raise a glass to you someday finding as much to love in TDKR as I did. Cheers you crazy bastard.

Because I still haven't seen DKR yet.

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The DVD column to these goofy video blogs?

TDKR was incredible.

Jesus Christ. Never expected it to be THAT bad.

Seriously, are you that lazy that you can't be bothered to use a razor?

Are great, best thing on this site, do some more and get some special guests down there

...and the point of the poll? Is Harry going to quit if everyone votes that way? Me no think so. But credit for trying.

I just like looking around the basement...lol Got some cool chit down there.

The Argentinian 99% full version. The beginning kind of dragged (maybe Chaplin shortened my attention span) but was amazed by the end. I could see the influence on Nolan's work. I also saw the obvious influence on Burton's Batman with Nicholson's Joker and Metropolis' 'Thin Man' dressed very much alike with a rictus grin and a pale face.

:)

Yeah it was a little creepy but not your fault. I applaud you for keeping it real and I need to download The Deep now..haven't seen it in years.

Diet? Exercise? Both?

and get so pumped about, but you Hate Dark Knight Rises? You Sir, are a backpedaling Motherfucker. Love how you start to talk about the Internet backlash, and then cut it off. Why will you never just make a 5 minute video review of Inception or just to talk about your feelings about certain things? You always skirt the issues. I love you and this site Harry, but it is getting old. Is it not why we are all on this site to talk about films? You seem to run and hide when someone has a different viewpoint, and never talk about it.

Harry take a look at this CF doc... it might work for you. I thought I read before that you were down from gastric bypass or something. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XD5axAX9U78

Harry, Quint, McWeeny, Beaks, Devin Faraci - why are all these guys - absolutely without fail - grotesque fatbodies with unkempt beards and glasses? It's almost comical.

Moray eels are extremely shy and placid and run away the moment you get slightly too close to it. I have dived with many of them and never have they so much as even slightly twitched in my direction. There is even tonnes of footage of people feeding them and tickling them under the chinny chin chin.

I bitch at Harry as much as the next guy (unless the next guy is CreepyThinMan. That guy is CHRONIC!), but I gotta say that the unabashed nerdiness, the devil-may-care geekiness of this conversation was endearing to me.

YOU GET A WHEELCHAIR! AND YOU GET A WHEELCHAIR! EVERYBODY GETS A WHEELCHAIR!

For the good of everyone just hang up your cowl, and roll your wheelchair off into the bay of Gotham. Leave the keys to the AICN-Cave to Nordling.

C'mon Harry... I've been coming here for close to 15 years and have never bothered to bitch about anything, but where are the DVD columns?? I finally broke down and signed up for the Talkbacks just to add my voice to the people asking for them.

Surprisingly simple. You just need to have restraint. Although everyone is different. No fancy diets, no calorie counting. Just a simple rule - eat less, exercise more. I removed all the junk food. Not forever. Just for the first few months. Including pop. Eat a big breakfast. I started making my own shakes in the morning. Whatever the fuck you enjoy in regards to fruit and veggies. Nothing fancy. Can be as simple as apples & oranges. I suggest cabbage, Kale, and celery as an ingredient. Next, if it's video games, computer use, or movie watching, severely limit it. Get your ass off the ground. It can be as simple as walking for 20 minutes. I basically had to cut off video games. Just no time for them. But you need to do at least 20 minutes of some exercise a day. For lunch & dinner, I ate what I usually ate. Just limited it. If it was pizza, it was one piece instead of 3. You get the point. Most of my nutrients came from my breakfast shake. In terms of exercise, just do what you enjoy. If you hate running, I suggest Kettle Bells. They're fucking awesome and it makes you feel like Conan. And you can do it all in your room. And one other tip for Harry & Quint. Shave for fucks sake. Every day goddammit.

THANK GOD!!

And the Alamo Drafthouse is all ready a legend in my mind!

Love the content, but the bad lighting is getting distracting. There shouldn't be shadows across people's faces while they're talking for that long. Just my .02, S.

These videos are the only thing he cares about anymore. I guess he figures there are 8 other sites that cover home video releases, but only one that features his mug. Fair enough. I will say this. This is the first video I've watched since the initial. It will probably be the last. I just don't choose to get my movie news in this manner. If I'm in the minority, then Harry has nothing to worry about. If I'm not...

Overweight film nerds have beards to make them feel manly. If they can even grow a full one, that is. Thinking it might increase their chances with women probably has something to do with it, too. Because NOTHING gets a chick's pussy wetter than telling her about the Godzilla teaser you saw at Comic Con or showing her your Batman: The Animated Series soundtrack. These are the REAL MEN that girls just can't resist. I wish I could pick up tail like these dudes. Sitting on your duff all day in front of a TV, movie screen, or computer monitor will turn you into a huge lardass. Just look at this video...the proof is in the pudding (hehe). Has Harry gained weight again?! I know they've been pushing him pretty hard in therapy to drop pounds, but it seems like he just gets fatter and fatter with each episode. And Quint...bro...hop on a treadmill sometime and lay off the Big Macs. You guys are gonna be dead before the end of the decade if you keep this up. I know you guys bang more chicks on a daily basis than 007 has done in his entire career, but seriously...life is more important. Haven't you guys gotten enough pussy already? Save some for the rest of us!

Fuck the Haters. These clever vids with their little nods to all sorts of films are pretty. I'm enjoying them more and more. Keep it up.

Hey Harry's immigrant wife, what first attracted you to the millionaire ginger?

No hook.

Or at least stop fucking eating while you're watching the fucking movies you claim to review afterwards. Cunt.

Grossed me out a bit there Chief. And everyone who says about Quint fitting the geek archetype being fat with a girly beard, I'm sure all those guys are built like brick shithouses, with flowing locks and perfectly smooth, tan-ly skin. And no, I'm not as large as Harry and Quint. I'm sure everyone who cared (and doesn't know what you look like) would find something to give you shit about should you show your face to this TB community..........shit, this TB community would give hell to Brad Pitt

Quint is the real respectable heart and soul left in this site. And unlike Harry, he doesn't claim to constantly work out and change his lifestyle and still putt around in a wheelchair (which is weird). Quint doesn't deserve that.

I even taught Yoko how to orgasm.

When both Quint and Harry mentioned "flaccid penis" I thought they were speaking from personal experience.

And the whole internet isn't attacking you. Talk about a bloated sense of self-importance. Your readers are attacking you, because you demonstrated an inability to discuss the film's inadequacies from an objective standpoint, and threw a proverbial temper tantrum because HARRY NO LIKEY! And then you fucking started spoiling the movie for everyone who hadn't seen it yet. You're being attacked for your childish spite, not because you didn't connect with or enjoy a film. Your ego is nauseating.

maybe he should open up his review talkback now, if it isn't a total coward . . . Where is the explanation on why he closed it, hmmmmmmmm?????

It's just kinda....there. And all the plot holes and character fuck-ups and just innatention to detail...all culminating in a really muddled theme and contradictions and just...waste. The Dark Knight is one of my absolute favorite films of all time. It's right up there with Alien, Jaws and Star Wars. But The Dark Knight Rises is a pale, pale shadow of that film. And that really sucks.

There are a lot of people out there that genuinely love it....and I'm jealous of them! Why do I have to notice that 3000 police are buried under rubble for 5 months, emerge just as fat as they went in without so much as a 5 o'clock shadow...and the first thing they want to do is take on a heavily armed army! Oh, and the cops seem to ahve all lost their guns somehow. Why do I have to notice that? Why can't I just let my mouth hang open and drool onto my chest?

I loved loved loved, Batman Begins. Great start. THen came TDK. Excellent film, a tad too long, but amazing all around. TDKR? Woah there! What the hell happened? The film is just OK. But damn, this movie went on far too long, and the pacing was all wrong as well. Nolan telegraphed so many things in advance that I just knew I would see them pop back up again later. J-G-L's performance was terribly hammy. I did like Anne Hathaway tho. Also Bane's send-off was like a "WTH?" moment. Face it, TDKR has MANY problems. As a lifelong Batman comic reader, don't even go there with the "you don't understand" crap either. There was some seriously lazy writing going on here, and most of it falls on the Nolan's for the burden of it. Goyer may have come up with the story, but the execution fell to the Nolan's, and this effort is underwhelming at best.

Not only is Bane's sendoff completely out of the blue and anticlimactic...it also completely URINATES ON BATMAN'S CHARACTER! How in the holy fuck can someone call themselves a Batman fan and appro9ve of that moment? Because there's kind of a funny line? Yeah PISSING ON THE BATMAN CHARACTER! I don't go to Batman movies to see hat I love about Batman MADE FUN OF! I mean...FUCKING DUH PEOPLE! It's tantamount to Lois Lane telling Superman "Sometimes telling the truth is just fucking retarded." Yeah that would be a really great Superman moment. *eyeroll*

Batman is Bruce Wayne. That's all there is to it. And in Nolan's world, the real Batman never gets to encounter some of the more popular villains of the rogue gallery. His Batman fights crime for like a year over the course of two films, then disappears for 8, and comes back to battle Bane, retire again, and pass the job on to someone else just to keep the symbol rolling. It really detracts from that great line the Joker had in TDK when he tells Batman he has a feeling that the two of them will be doing this for a long time. I think this film would have been more appropriate as, say, the 5th entry of the series. I actually like Nolan's presentation that a real vigilante like this wouldn't last long. Time and injury would catch up. Those 8 years between TDK and DKR should have been filled with Batman going up against the likes of Riddler and Penguin or even Hugo Strange, and then THIS film would have probably resonated a quite a bit more with me.

Look, TDKR doesn't suck by any means. There's lots to like. I enjoy the Dark Knight Returns elements as well as Knightfall and No Man's Land. I like where Nolan was TRYING to go. But he DID NOT get there and made a muddled mess instead. Batman's character is all wrong. Alfred is wrong, even Gordon's character is wrong. I won't say Miranda and Bane's characters are "wrong", but they sure don't amount to much. It's like Nolan was having so much fun trying to pull this story off that he forgot to put BATMAN IN IT! Ou of the 2 hour 45 minute running time, Batman is not in it for more than 20 fuckin' minutes! He's in 3 goddamn scenes! The first two are 5 minutes or so and the final one is about 10 minutes.

The neck beard thing is...well...it's up to you, man, what you enjoy is what counts for you, as well it should be. I just think it'd be a major improvement if you did go full beard - I'm not talking ZZ Top here - somewhat close cut, mind you, but yeah. Just a thought. As for Dark Knight Rises, I did disagree greatly with you - I thought it was pretty great - honestly I think Dark Knight was better, but a good deal of that is due to the presence of the Joker. Either way, all 3 movies were worth a watch IMO. Certainly infinitely better than anything ever made before.

Christ. It's not that difficult. Get over it. Was the movie perfect? Of course not. Was Dark Knight better? Well, yeah - Joker had a lot to do with that - Joker as a villain is just more interesting to begin with, in large part because he's so damned unpredictable and in so many ways the absurd opposite of Batman. And Ledger's take on the character finally gave us a Joker that felt like it might be able to exist in our real world. A real psychopath, not a cartoonish villain.

Unless you actually ARE an obese, greasy, Peruvian wrestler with a steely dan looking for a good time, you may well be...

Yeah, if Nolan wasn't such a hack, he'd have made 20 Batman movies with 20 villains and have Batman never really accomplish anything except defeating the villain in each particular movie. That's just a brilliant idea you bunch of fucking geniuses! Forget the fact that that is how EVERY other comic book series has done it, so why do something different? Yup, Nolan is a hack alright. To bad the geniuses on this sight aren't the filmmakers, we'd have Batman with no ending ever. ZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZ.

We're all nerds. Welcome to the family, you petulant twats.

...even if I disagree with his conclusion. His THE DARK KNIGHT RISES review was probably the first review that I disagreed with so much that I had to wince. Yes, I loved the movie. I even liked it more than the previous installment (although the previous installment caught me off guard with how fantastic a comic book movie could be). I get some of Harry's points. I appreciate the fact that he has an opinion. However, I just hated the review. Like Harry, I have been a lifelong BATMAN fan. I am not Harry's age, but I am aware of the history, lore and stories of BATMAN. However, this was NOT the comic book Batman. Harry's review felt like it came from the perspective of someone who knew precisely what he wanted...from the perspective of a comic book guy...and then had a fit when it didn't turn out that way. I think that Harry should have slept a day or two on his review. For the sake of timeliness, he could have watched the film earlier...slept for a day or two...and then presented his thoughts. Unfortunately, many people are reacting to Harry because of this review the same way that they react to Christy Lemire. How can a person favorably review a film like BATTLESHIP and then knock THE DARK KNIGHT RISES? It just doesn't make sense. I love Harry and this website (Herc's perpetual political infusions in Coaxial notwithstanding). I love to read his opinion...even if I might disagree with some of them. Yet, for some reason, this review was like it was coming from the section of Harry's mind that loved SCOTT PILGRIM. While not exactly a terrible teen-geek film, you would have thought that it was Oscar-worthy. Sometimes, I think that movie/comic geeks review a film by the nostalgia or geek-knowledge that it does or does not produce. It can make someone appreciate a mediocre film like SCOTT PILGRIM and more or less reject a film like THE DARK KNIGHT RISES. Well, you know what they say about opinions...how they are like butt holes...how they sometimes stink...and how everyone has one. However, some people have a much larger, smelly and infectious one than others. Still, this was another great production.

Too rich and complex for many here, it seems!

And then I'm all like well okay, here's a shovel, go dig her up.

Just in case someone is reading this that hasn't seen it yet. There are SO many issues I have with the movie. Here's a flagship one: The nuclear bomb is altered so that the core will decay over time and explode. There is no fucking way to tell exactly how long that will take. However, Nolan puts a GIANT DIGITAL COUNTDOWN CLOCK on the side of it that is accurate to the fucking SECOND! Sorry, but that is fucking BULLSHIT! There is simply no fucking defense for that, it's impossible. And if you're going to have your love interest turn out to be Ra's Al Ghul's daughter, quit TELEGRAPHING IT! I mean, she literally talks exactly like him, even quoting him non-stop, telling Bruce he must "Do what is necesary" and shit! And instead of being a badass....she just drives a fucking truck. Oh and let's not forget that she tells Batman that bothy her and Bane HATED her father...until Batman killed him, then all of a sudden they decided to sacrifice their lives fulfilling his goal of destroying Gotham. ...................WHAT THE FUCK!?!? That's just fucking stupid man! And let's not forget the big breakin at the fucking Stock Exchange. You know, where they try to hack into the exchange locally, run out of time, then do it with a fucking wifi laptop as they're driving away!? Yeah, I can totally see why they broke into the fucking building! Oh, oh and this is great.....as he terrorists who just aattacked the fucking stock exchange are driving away on motorcycles that magically appeared, the cops decide to let them go so they can chase Batman instead! And it turns out that was all so they could fake a trade by Bruce Wayne thjjat would bankrupt him. And apparently the SEC saw no problem with a billion dollar trade that happened during a terrorist occupation of the stock exchange. ......And people are DEFENDING this movie! God, I just want to fucking SHAKE THEM!

You know, so there is a REASON why he had to go into hiding for 8 years? It explains why Batman had no choice but to stop. He became public enemy number 1, and no matter what good he attempted to do, there would always be the preoccupation with bringing him in as a priority. He became counter-productive to the cause, and I felt that scene illustrated that point quite well. Fucking shake me.

Then yeah it makes perfect sense. That would be like the President of the United States taking the entire treasury and saying "I'm betting it all on hula hoops. I think they're coming back."

You'll always have another highway to jump to. Good thing cops don't have radios or they might have been able to catch him eh?

I had no hand in it. I was just pointing out the purpose for the sequence. You can hate it all you want, and have reasons for doing so, but my point was that it was not the pointless, brainless scene you painted it to be.

I had a great time at THE DARK KNIGHT RISES. Twice. :-) I suspect that you will like it more after subsequent viewings.

The only thing I did like was the section of BB where Bruce was in training, and the fact the first movie made Batman the focus, not the villains. The rest has been dull.

What happened to your rehab? And also, should you be drinking malt liquor in your condition? Go for a jog or something.

Actually, I'd consider slamming my skull against the nearest hard surface until I went unconscious for the benefit of all around me.

Because no real person would act that way. It would be like Obama about to send the order to attack Bin Laden's compound, then getting distracted by a fucking squirrel! IT'S STUPID!

they are all pretending they are into it. I'd bet most of them have never seen a Godzilla film. All of these poseur self-conscious "geeks" (hell, did anyone ever call oneself a geek or nerd back in the day?) fill me with loathing.

Just keep munching away from your feedbag and watching the world whirl around you in curious but incomprehensible ways.

Served.

You know it. I know it.

Come now. Must we always act as if the only audience targeted here are the hard core comic geeks? At any rate, her turn at the end surprised plenty of the audience at the viewing I was at. Nolan may have telegraphed, but only to those in the know (and who had seen the first movie). Believe it or not...not everyone has.

Makes me wonder what you watched the first two times out. It's a comic-book movie. Letting things slide and suspending your disbelief a bit kind of comes with purchasing a ticket in the first place. A real guy wouldn't refuse to kill one psycho in order to save 12 million people, either.

...are all there if you pay attention. Sure there may be some things that seem unanswered, but I assume Mr. Nolan didn't have studio permission to make the six hour movie that would've obviously answered them all. Instead he relied on a smart audience to pick up the clues he gave us. They're there, I promise, you just have to WANT to see them. I bet there's a longer version out there that would answer all your questions in an obvious, blunt way, but is that really what you want? I know none of you people that hate the movie believe me, but if I have one credit to this post, it's that I'm a server at the Alamo Drafthouse and have seen the film twice in it's entirety and about 20 more times in half portions walking in and out of the theater while working it. You haters won't watch it that many times, but I just wanted to let you know, if you look for them, the answers are there. And really, the next time you have the heavy responsibility of closing out one of the highest grossing, critically-acclaimed trilogies of all time, then, you have my permission to hate.

Good point. When I left the theater, a buddy I was with couldn't stop talking about the ending. He was going on and on about how awesome it was that Blake's real first name was Robin, and that he finds the Cave. It was a revelation that I, however, was not too fond of (although it has grown on me with more reflection and perspective), and when he asked me why I didn't like it, because he couldn't fathom what my issue was, I said: Because Robin's name isn't John Blake. It's Dick Grayson. He looked at me like I was nuts and said I thought his name was Robin. That's just a nickname? To the people that never read a comic book in their life, some of this stuff must be perfect bliss.

Batman Begins definitely had plot problems in the second half, but those were completely overwhelmed by the massive wave of positives. TDK is pretty close to a perfect film. Sure there were a couple of extremely minor little issues, but again the awesomeness was irresistable. NOT SO with TDKR I'm afraid. Not at all. This time, in stark contradiction with the first two films, we have a Batman, not compelled to do justice and protect the innocent, but who is content to....well....do nothing. Yeah, cuz that's Batman. *eyeroll* And then you have Alfred, however well acted, having random emotional outbursts. Harry is 100% right when he says Alfred would not hit the bricks and Bruce would never say "Goodbye Alfred" because he made a decision 8 years earlier to spare him pain about something completely inconsequential. And besides, Bruce's suppositional that somehow Rachael picking him had fuck all to do with fighting crime is just bizarre anyway. pretty sure she made it pretty clear at the end of Batman Begins that she wanted him to STOP being Batman. See what I mean about how every single character is fucked up in TDKR? Hey I love every other Nolan film, I own them all on Blu-ray. But he fucked this up. There's nothing wrong with admitting it.

I'd love to get a set of those three little guys.

colorado hadn't happened yet

But in TDK Batman is disdainful for imitators. And in TDKR, suddenly he can't wait for someone with no guidance and no training to take over for him. Does that make sense to you? Because it doesn't make any fucking sense to me. Bruce Wane doesn't hate being Batman. He LOVES being Batman. He has spent his life training for it, his fortune paying for it and risks his life every day doing it. He's not looking for the fucking door.

What more is there to say? This website needs to change its name, cause it certainly isn't cool anymore.

See, he could tell Bruce was Batman......because he recognized his pretending to be happy when he was angry. Go ahead, DEFEND THAT SHIT!

Bruce Wayne may have prepared for the training of his successor. We don't see what is left lurking in the Batcave. Just use your imagination.

He didn't like the copycats because of what they represented, which was a sloppy, reckless, and dangerous version of himself. Plus, they got in his fucking way.

THANK GOD!!

But you know, I can live with it - I accepted long ago that this is NOT the comic book Batman - it's Nolan's version. I can't expect it to be a direct adaptation. Would've preferred his name to be Dick Grayson, but I guess he wanted it to be a secret? I guess in Nolan's mind Robin is Robin regardless of what his real name is - the back story changing would bother me in a more faithful adaptation, too, but...and this is I think what most haters can't come to terms with - again, it's not the comic or even the animated series Batman. I liked the movies for what they were. Imperfect, unfaithful, sure, but to finally have a darker, non-campy take on the material has been really nice. I hope one day we'll see a Batman adaptation that is, without any camp, as close to the comics as possible - one that really looks closely at the animated series for inspiration (and even Batman Beyond). Is it possible to do a serious Batman film that doesnt feel campy, that feels like it could really happen, with some of the more fantastical villains like clayface or killer croc? I'm not sure. But I'd love to see a good try at it.

Batman has lapses. He always has. It's a tough job. But the single most defining element of Batman is that he does not fucking quit. He is DRAWN to it. He doesn't just say "Fuck it, the Three's Company marathon is this weekend." he doesn't just stop for 8 fucking years! Not unless he's broken or too damned old to do it. It's completely contradictory to his character. Leaving to be with Rachael is a pipedream. Deep down he knows that. She knows it and tells him so.

And how victory can be a weakness. This is expressed in Bruce, a fighter who has never lost and thus feels all he has to do is "fight harder" to beat a new, tough oppenent, and in Gotham itself, a city that was so sure of itself in its war against crime for 8 years that it was unprepared for a true takeover. Even the classic sci-fi book DUNE said as much in relation to the Sardaukar: constant victory is in Itself a weakness. Even Bane said this to Bats during their first fight- "Victory has made you weak." Now what do you think that means for America?

That way you wouldnt have to worry about translating this or that to live action, you could go to darker places than the animated series would ever have dared (and it was pretty dark for a cartoon), and you could bring on all of the more fantastical villains. Heck even a fully CGI Batman film would be ok by me in that respect. Eliminate those complaints that plague live action takes altogether - such as picking the right actors. The Killing Joke storyline comes to mind. Could get Mark Hamill again. Sounds great to me! I'd go to see it.

However, his reasons felt more like nitpicking rather than legitimate gripes. Oddly enough, my wife liked the film quite a bit. We watched it twice. When I told her Harry's opinion, she asked whether Harry might have wanted to set himself apart from other critics...or if he might have been upset at Warner Bros for snubbing him from an early screening or something. I just said that Harry has his opinion and honestly presented it. That takes courage. Still, I have to say that I have never winced through a Harry Knowles review until TDKR. I might not be able to pinpoint it, but I do think that Harry will like the film more after subsequent viewings. I must admit that my esteem for BATMAN BEGINS grew as a result of this film and my esteem for THE DARK KNIGHT is relatively unchanged.

I give you a rational explanation for sequences, themes, and scenes of the movie that you took issue with, or at least my honest interpretation of them and how they worked for me, and you counter me with a completely new scenario. It's exhausting.

And it's a bunch of egotistical posturing about what really makes a good Batman movie true to the comics, as if he's the only Guy to know what works and what doesnt, what's faithful and what's not. In other words, it's not a review but a reaction. It's one man thinking he knows what's best for Batman and deciding the current incarnation is not it. It says absolutely *nothing* about how well the movie is made. And he misses a *lot* of information explained by the films.

And if we're going to say that the Nolan Bat films exist in a universe where people can recognize Batman as Bruce Wayne, then that's opening a whole can of worms. LOTS of people see Batman and Wayne close up. Christian Bale has a pretty distinctive mouth and let's face it, he's the only one that could afford to be Batman anyway. But once Nolan introduces the iea that anyone could figure this shit out, it blows the whole fantasy.

You DKR review was posted on Thursday, and since you refer to the "whole internet" backlash (all 56 posts), then this conversation had to have been after your review posted. That said, folks: If Harry doesn't want to weigh in on the shootings, it is not some kind of betrayal. His site - his rules. The whole thing does put some perspective on being fiercely angry either way about whether DKR was good or not.

The comics aren't even true to the comics. But certain elements can't be tampered with, the core of the characters. You can change just about anything else that you want, but you can't fuck with the core of the characters. As for everything else, do you people just not give a shit if anything makes sense anymore? You just don't care that Bane fell in love with a 10-year old girl or that the prisoners never thought to hoist up a fuckin' bench to cover that measly little 8 foot gap in the pit with their handy pulley and rope system that's keeping them all prisoner? You just don't give a fuck that The Bat can apparently fly 300 mph to cover the 6 mile radius of the blast zone, or that everyone in Gotham will die of radiation poisoning? Because if you don't care or, egads....don't even notice these things....why are you bothering on a film fan site? You obviously don't expect very much.

Did you really want him to be named Dick Grayson the whole time and have the twist revealed? Or did you think it's believable an orphan would want to legally change his name after his father is shot? Come on, it's a great secret and even better, it's believable. If his name can't be Dick Grayson for logic reasons, then Robin makes the most sense in this realistic world.

Was this a cold fusion reactor? Possible. It's comic Book, either way. Ie, internal logic.

...was a beautiful film.But a retarded one. I'm with the RedLetterMedia gang on both these films. TDKR - Some flaws but an overall triumphant job of wrapping up THIS incarnation of the Bruce Wayne/Batman three film story arc in an entertaining fashion.Hardly the "3rd film curse disappoinment" some folks are saying TDKR is. http://redlettermedia.com/half-in-the-bag-the-dark-knight-rises/ Promtentiousn...er I mean Prometheus - Great looking film.But not one I want to ever watch again.Crap use of the Alienverse canon and (most importantly) a shit script with Lindelof going back to his "bad script miracle black goo/black smoke" or whatever he uses as a plot device to hide his weak ability of storytelling. http://redlettermedia.com/half-in-the-bag-prometheus/

Many people were much closer to the hiroshima and nagasaki bombs - some of them are still living today, despite the radiation. So I wouldnt assume that it automatically means you die of radiation. In fact, a man who was close enough on the ground see both bombs go off (the second one just as he was arriving to the city after fleeing the first - talk about a bad day) was alive until not too long ago.

Grow the rest of it out, Harry. That way less of your face would be visible. No amount of beard could ever cover up that much ugly...but at least it would be a start.

Agree with them wholeheartedly. And most of the side characters said nuclear, but its actually a Neutron bomb from what Pavel said. Neutron bombs often leave much of the infrastructure intact, and are different from classical nuke warheads. At least in my humble knowledge.Loved the film and the "Tale of Two Cities" take on it...I really think Nolan went for that..great literature meets cinema....just some thoughts here

Bummer there's no substantive news. I'd like to think I'm a guy who likes the Evil Dead, having bought a half dozen of each movie and taken the drive to the original set, so I'm hoping they don't make something I'll be embarrassed of, like that Texas Chainsaw remake.

Harry makes it hard to be a Harry fan (I was). Especially as of late. Quint on the other hand has always come across as genuine in his posts and it shows in this video. Nice guy.

I'm not profoundly dissapointed at all.

He is a totally new character who is an embodiment of the notion that Batman is an idea as opposed to one man. He is not Dick Grayson with a name change. His legal name being "Robin" is simply a nod to fans of the character. I knew people wouldn't get this...

Pathetic.

And why do I get the feeling MAN OF STEEL will get the same shitty treatment from this place?

THANK GOD!!

Just like Harry, I had many awesome times at the Alamo or at the Rolling Rodeshow. My top 3: Dazed and Confused 10 year reunion on the shores of beautiful Decker Lake. Wooderson was the only one with the police escort. Joey Lauren Adams drove up in a jeep and looked cute as hell. As soon as the sun went down, the movie started and it was all "All right, all right, all right." Screening of American Psycho. Naked woman sushi buffet in the lobby. Tasty tasty. Then the Yuppie Pricks played a set with the singer wearing nothing but his tighty whities. He then graps a chainsaw and starts running around the place. Good times. Screening of Jaws at Lake Travis. Boarded a couple of those giant party barges and docked in a cove with a screen on shore. Then off on a giant tube and in the water you go. This was at night and there were scuba divers screwing around under you with shark fins. Nothing like floating around in the dark with the signature Jaws music blaring at ya.

Easily the most horrifying movie bad guy in the last ten years, if not more! Bane was a monster!

no, it's a synonym It would be like saying the lady in the white t-shirt was "soak...no...drenched". Changing a word to mean the same thing it did before it was changed doesn't provide one with some greater insight

...seeing the faces of great radio DJs for the first time - it makes them lose some of their magic. i love this site, but stick to the text, guys. you have neither the charisma nor the comedic chops to hold your own on-screen. you are and have been brilliant at writing about film for this long. why mess with that? i guess everyone thinks their face should be famous.

No shit? You must be smart.

still pees the bed. Go play with your Batman action figures and make him say *Dont worry Gotham! I will never retire, for I am Batman!* and Alfred can say *I will never leave you, Batman, for I am your faithful butler, Alfred!* Use your imagination! Nolan did!

stop using the term Nolanite? It is so childish and turns film appreciation and discussion into pointless playground bickering. I'm a Nolanite. And a Kubrickite, Malickite, Cronenbergite, Coenite, Almodovarite, Andersonite, Lynchite, Miyazaki-ite. See how ridiculous this is? We all prefer some directors to others, it doesn't put us into different tribes.

is correct

and don't forget.

Yep.

Fassbender was good. There was stupid in it, but I chose not to enjoy the stupid, and enjoy the rest. Its like a steak dinner with a nice baked potato with sour cream and chives, maybe some bacon bits, and frozen peas. I don't like frozen peas, so I leave them on the plate.

That is an excellent way to look at it. Cheers.

That is better. Couldn't spell for shit.

You looking at Bisset in that way and finding her titillating was a bit creepy. Its basically an attractive woman in a blouse mate, you've surely seen one of those before. Ugh !!

That Nolan decided to present the concept in a real world setting meant this would not go on with a never ageing Batman like the comics or some ridiculous idea of a 13 year old kid fighting crime at night with a grown man in costume. TDKR is a story that DC chicken out of every time they decide to do a time altering crossover that reboots every superhero to YOUNG-MAN all over again instead of allowing readers to tackle death, moving on and most importantly how heroes become legends. Harry, sorry but your review for TDKR was all about what isn't the way it is in the comics. The comics change the character every time they reboot, Nolan chose to go back to the original concept, contemporise it and give it a realistic life-span. In doing so he managed to complete the best comic trilogy worthy of being called the legend of the dark knight.

Like these videos quite a bit and certainly understand the time constraints, but felt from an editing standpoint the Dark Knight Rises discussion was rushed. Disappointed to see it cut off by the shark before it really got going. Seems like most people weren't at Comic-Con, so talking about Godzilla/Ant-Man/Evil Dead really would resonate as much in a conversation as a pure geek-out of DKR would.

I saw TDKR again and something occurred to me. THE DARK KNIGHT RISES is not a race to the finish line. THE DARK KNGHT RISES is a victory lap. Nolan and co. weren't striving to outdo THE DARK KNIGHT, they just wanted to go out with a bang and deliver some fan service along the way. Nolan had nailed it with TDK and knew he wouldn't top it so he ended his Batman trilogy with a bombastic flick that salutes the character and fans. Here's my reasoning: with BATMAN BEGINS Nolan successfully rebooted the Batman film franchise, delivered the first cinematic depiction of Batman's origin story, and overall audiences and critics approved. That movie ended with a tease of the Joker, and fans were eager for Nolan's take on that iconic villain. So Nolan made THE DARK KNIGHT. Critics and audiences loved it, fanboys hailed it as a masterpiece, Ledger's performance was universally acclaimed, and the movie made a Billion dollars. Not bad for a comic book movie sequel. So after the huge success of TDK everyone wanted Nolan to make one more bats flick, round out a solid trilogy, so he did. What I realized watching TDKR last night is that there's a sense in the film that it doesn't have to prove itself; the first two movies tried to make you believe in this world of Batman and Gotham, TDKR assumes that you've already bought into it and are along for the ride. I think this is why the movie sometimes feels sloppy, especially compared to its predescessors. To close out his trilogy Nolan made a fun and exciting Batman movie with lots of spectacle and big moments and nods to fans. People might not like the idea that Nolan was taking a victory lap with this film, and that's fine, but I'm OK with it and really like the movie. Yes there are some strange choices and gaps in logic, but its a comic book movie and Nolan does things for emotional impact, not intellectual satisfaction. For instance, the scene of Gordon and pals being exiled out onto the frozen river...if you try to rationalize this scene, it wont stand up to scrutiny. Like, how and why did the east river freeze in the first place? Then Gordon just happens to see an emergency flare and picks it up? And he ignites a trail of gasoline that leads to a flaming bat signal on the Brooklyn Bridge? When did Batman make the gasoline bat? How did he do it? But those questions don't matter to the plot of the movie, what matters is the emotional impact of Batman returning to Gotham. The image of the flaming bat gets everyone (both the audience and the characters) charged up for the final showdown. Another thing I noticed is that Nolan peppers TDKR with allusions and homages to previous representations of the Batman character. First there's the obvious bits picked from the comics (Bruce Wayne returning to the cape and cowl from DARK KNIGHT RETURNS, Bane breaking the Bat from KNIGHTFALL, Selina Kyle's "roommate" from YEAR ONE, isolated Gotham from NO MAN'S LAND), but there are more subtle allusions, too. I think the ending is an homage to DARK KNIGHT RETURNS (Batman fakes his death). Speaking of the ending, people have been joking about TDKR borrowing the "Some days you just cant get rid of a bomb" scene from the 1960s Batman movie, but I suspect this is a deliberate homage to that incarnation of the character. Likewise I thought Bruce and Selina dancing at the masquerade ball was a nod to BATMAN RETURNS, which had a similar scene. I'm sure there are others I haven't mentioned, but my point is TDKR ends Nolan's bat-trilogy with a bang (literally), shows respect to the Batman character through all the allusions to previous depictions, and delivers a happy ending that is almost too satisfying.

That was the whole point of all the fake Batmen being told off by the real one. It isn't just an idea. It isn't something for anyone to pick up. The whole "it's was meant to be an idea" was totally blown out of the water in The Dark Knight.

Everyone is entitled to their own opinions, of course. If someone didn't like TDKR, it doesn't bother me. Harry could even have legitimate criticisms about the movie. But ever since the INCEPTION debacle it has been obvious that Harry (and the other "writers" on this site) have it out for Chris Nolan. Does anyone know when/why this started? Is it really about no pwesents?

and i said that in my THE WALKEN voice.

...your eccentric aunts soapy makeup when your parents force you to kiss her on the cheek. Blech! And after drinking that I didn't feel like going to DKR. Maybe that was a good thing after all.

can't really be Harry's basement right?...must be some warehouse or stage someplace

Once again, TDKR bashers show they simply don't have the brain to understand a mildly complex movie. I didn't read all your endless posts but what I did suggests you lacked the comprehension to understand the plot. You talk about Batman "doing nothing." What are you talking about? If you're talking about the beginning of the film, well, Batman is a fugitve from justice that most every cop except Gordon is trying to take down - because they think he killed the real Gotham hero, Harvey Dent. AND, organized crime in Gotham is almost non-existent. There really is no point in Batman doing anything, so it's not out of character. This Batman is a more realistic take, he doesn't just hang around on rooftops waiting to stop a crime like Spiderman. And again as far as "doing nothing", did you catch the title of the film? The film is about Batman coming back, and giving everything he has. So ultimately, he does quite a lot. Just to get out of that prison to come back and save his city, he gives it everything he has. What movie were you watching? And for the millionth time on this site, Alfred leaving is not out of character, he does it in the comics, and again your simple mind misses the point. Bruce doesn't say Goodbye Alfred simply because of the few lines right before, about Alfred confessing he burnt the note. Alfred is already planning to leave because of Bruce's state, Bruce is a broken man, so he just says goodbye after that. Bruce telling Alfred goodbye is Bruce's emotional low point where he's given up entirely. The burnt note thing is just the icing on the cake. You also wrote about Rachel that 'pretty sure she made it pretty clear at the end of Batman Begins that she wanted him to STOP being Batman.' Christ, simple minded fucks should not bother with these films. They are really not that complex. She did make that clear, yes. But in the next film, Bruce feels like maybe Batman's time is over (because the public hero Dent has emerged to take his place.) And if he can be free of Batman, he believes Rachel will be with him again. So that's why he had hope and why he was hit so hard when she died right then, and it's also why he didn't want Dent to die for no reason. So, what the hell are you even talking about?

Theres a lot of focus on geek problems with the film which for me aren't its main problem. Your average cinema goer won't know the background to Batman so they're moot points. What for me are the key things wrong with the film are :- The whole Bane thing was set up well and then in the end he gets a couple of smacks on his respirator and he's a goner and then insult upon insult he's second fiddle to Talia ( somebody conspicuously obviously the big bad from the minute Wayne shows her the fusion device). Even the reason why he was chucked out of the League of Shadows was an insult --he was a monster -- er yes the monster who lost his face saving your daughter Neeson !! Of course the whole Bane piece was scripted like Rocky 3 but without the benefit of a good rematch (see respirator comment above). You get your back broken but then simply have somebody push the vertebrae back in place and do a few push ups , on prison rations, before coming back a world beater. And the whole Bane pronouncements to Gotham was a bit overblown and ludicrous. Then we have a the slightly silly situation of a bomb that can't be detonated because of a little blocker device. If you wanted to redirect the truck carrying said bomb do you really think its a good idea to do this by shooting at it. What if you hit the blocker or dislodge it ? The police force kept locked up below ground for 3 months on rations who then come out fighting fit and charge an armed mob. (By the way, said armed mob would have been the first 1000 people out of Gotham the minute they were let out of prison, bomb or no bomb.) The whole thing felt over-complicated for what it was. Some nice touches, scarecrow and Neeson reprising their roles. The most subtle and clever piece for me was that Bane had never escaped from the pit -- you sat there initially thinking that his reasons for putting Wayne in the prison were flawed :- " To lose hope", when he had in fact in theory escaped so there was hope - of course it turned out he hadn't escaped at all but was freed - again something that diminished the character but was still clever. Batman saving the city from the bomb was well done although tip of the hat to the Iron Giant -- menace saves city from bomb, city erects statue, menace is n't dead !!! ( The Alfred coffee shop scene again was hugely telegraphed though.) This film felt as though it ticked a lot of boxes fro Batman afficianados but in a very methodical and unemotional way -- I give it 6/10

he shouldn't have thumb nails that long.

NO alcohol, NO fast food or snacks, NO sodas aka sugar water ... you'll be dropping pounds in no time. Believe it. Pretty much avoid Circle K or 7-11 altogether. And if you do happen to add exercise on top of that, all the better. Movie geeks like to sit around a lot, so at the very least, make sure you get up every 2 hours and walk for 15 minutes at least.

you may like to stay up all night, but your stomach doesn't, and will be lazy in the processing of food, storing up that fat for a hard winter.

But will overlook them for the badassness they made Bane. and wrapping up a SOLID arch for Bruce/Batman. I loved this film. Not as much as TDK but I had a blast watching it, and plan to hit up Smith Air and Space Museum this weekend to see it again on real deal IMAX! I'm glad I'm not one of you miserable haters on here!

*pardon my iPhone corrections

Any asshat, biased loser who praised Green Lantern like it was Oscar worthy loses all credibility when they start ranting about a film like the Dark Knight Rises.

Can't quite put my tongue on it. Great show Harry. Reminded me of why I started coming here in the first place. Movie fans 'geeking out' over upcoming films, not worrying about hurting any feelings or sucking the corporate cock (much). My favourite part each show is seeing what size the video embed will be as it is always different.

Realistic?! Then it's not "Evil Dead". How could any fan of the original possibly say that?!

I love that everyones argument against the dark knight rises simply revolves around the fact that the source material was compromised. Batman would never do that, bane doesn't look like that.. who gives a shit??!! if the material is compromised in a way that it still makes a smart, entertaining film then who gives a fuck. This one was one of those done well that I could care less how the material was compromised as long as it was done with a personal style that makes a great movie. I'd take a non source material nolan film over any single schumaker on target batman wanna be movie anyday.

First of all, iamlegolas is right on about being healthy and thin. DON'T drink anything with calories in it unless it's milk, and don't drink too much of that either. Fruit juices have good shit in them, but get that shit from the source like an orange or apple, never drink apple juice. Stay away from anything fast food or snacks. Potato chips, cheetos, combos, anything like that, keep it out of your gut. Cut down on the carbs and walk for 30 minutes a day to speed up the process and you'll be able to live longer and see more movies. And if you get in good enough shape, there's always the outside chance you might get a girlfriend or get laid. However, once the girl gets comfortable with you, she will start treating you like shit. Unless she's willing to trade that off with blow jobs, then dump her ass and stay single, much more rewarding. TDKR was a choppy movie, especially with it's editing, but I thought it was tons of fun, like the fat girl at your work, but I've noticed that in the past few days more and more people are starting to express how good that movie is. It feels like how "The Godfather 2" was received, and NO, I'M NOT saying it's as good, just commenting on how it's reception has been. Also, Batman was an idea and not a single man, the end of TDK exemplified that point. "I'm whatever Gotham needs me to be." and "He's the hero Gotham deserves, but not the one it needs right now." The idea of what Batman can accomplish IS the point. Someone above said Batman can go on forever, but not Bruce Wayne. That dude fucking killed it, right on the money. Harry, I love him, but SO wrong with his opinion. @Harry, "Green Lantern" sucked!!!

seriously GROSS

I love bothe BB and DK and I know this is the Nolanverse Batman, however I can understand why Harry was upset, OK his review about the whole its not Batman came across as whiney etc but I can understand he wrote it out of anger and passion, not always a good thing though. The whole film feels like Nolan either didnt care or didnt know how to top DK. There more plot wholes etc than swiss cheese, my god the scene where the criminals and police run at each other was like an episode of the A-Team as no one really got killed, well I only saw 2 cops go down. The criminals have machine guns, the cops have batons, the police didnt stand a chance except the criminals managed to shoot up everything but the cops! complete BS! The ending was awful, it just didnt work at all and was cheesey as hell. My main gripe is Nolan ripped off Rocky 3! The whole scene with Alfred telling Bruce he cant beat Bane was nearly word for word, beat for beat, then at the end theres a fucking Batman statue, in which case we shouldve seen Batman arms raised in the air screaming "Rachael, I did it Rachael!" The only thing missing was a full "getting stronger" training montage when Bruce was imprisoned! So all this its like A Tale of 2 Cities, was bollocks, basically he started reading it had a few beers and saw Rocky 3 was on TV and watched that instead! And all the things Nolan said he wouldn't put in his Batman movies, he does in this! Robin for starters, then shoe horns other characters in it for the sake of it! Did Nolan watch Spider-Man 3 and say hey that worked well I'll use that amazing concept for the 3rd Batman! OK they cleaned Banes voice up, shame it turned out to be Darth Vaders camp brother! Now as for Batman retiring, its the one thing that did work, he went after criminals because of his parents. In DK Rachael died because of the choices he, Dent and Gordon made, she was put in the firing line because of them. So Bruce blames himself, his own actions as Batman, hence retiring and becoming a recluse is his penance. DKR is only just above Spider-Man 3 due to the production values, the camera work and the acting, the story is a complete mess and a real travesty, Nolan shouldve quit while he was ahead.

Sorry, but when you make statements, sooner or later you're going to be called on them. What would make you think Nolan isn't saying he's Robin? Yeah, I'm SURE the use of the name Robin and all of the telegraphed hints and references used in the movie (wear a mask? Didnt catch that?) were just a coincidence. Again...present us with evidence to the contrary, or you've got nothing to back up your claim.

You have horrible taste and you should feel terrible.

Same amount of explosions, clumsy exposition and half-assed plot... Can't believe people are even discussing this film any more. Let's put it to rest and talk about something interesting: the Batman reboot, baby!

I feel terrible that Nolan thought he could get away with such a bad film, other than that I feel great and I wont be put down for not liking a movie, just as I wouldnt put down those who liked it. And if I have bad taste for loving both BB and TDK then so be it.

TDKR is like Rocky 3, now I love it even more, THANKS!!!!

Bad guys with tommy guns, great opportunity for campy style villains that still won't suck, not to mention the plots that could surround the city because of the financially dead USA. Plus, lends to Batman being more of a detective, which is what a LOT of people bitched about with Nolan's vision. Would be cool IMO.

For me, the Nolan Batman movies were the equivalent of a Batman graphic novel or 'miniseries', where the author puts his spin on things, within the larger framework of who Batman is, how he operates, etc. This Batman was plagued with a lot more doubt than I associate with the character. There was a sense that he saw being Batman as a sacrifice, not a duty, or a pleasure, or a true 'life's calling'. There were attempts to ground some aspects in reality, despite a lot of very unreal fundamentals. And I can understand if this 'flavor'is of Batman story isn't to your liking. Personally, I enjoyed TDKR, and the series, as one possible take on the story, among others...

And stop insulting people because they have an opinion that differs from yours. God forbid people not care as much about what you view as egregious mistakes or sub-par plotlines (if you really cant stand that there's a timer on an unstable core, something I noticed too but let slide, then you probably shouldnt be watching SUPERHERO films. They're NOT exactly known for their realism.) Doesn't make them "stoopid". Doesn't make you smart, either. Just means you got hung up on some things which others are willing to let slide. So again...stop fancying yourself above it all, and stop trying to bring down others who did enjoy it. Just state that you didn't personally like it and move along - there's no need for insults - that only serves to point out your own arrogance and inability to mentally cope with anyone dissenting from your own opinion.

He's a super genius that never gets to use his intellect because he's too busy firing time traveling bullets at gods.

Can we get the motherfucking dvd review section back up? It's been a month and is really the only thing I come to this crumbling site for anymore. This site used to be "cool"...now it ain't. I would once upon a time defend Harry and now I see what others are saying. Review movies and quit with all the gimmicky shit. I want to read reviews and know what to watch, not watch Harry try and make himself a star. Gay.

Amazing how hype and expectation can trick some into thinking they saw something they didn't really see. DKR was 'ok' but, after repeat viewings, even the laziest viewers will begin to pick up on the glaring editing and plot inconsistencies, the massive bloat and overall dank atmosphere of the whole ordeal.

The whole movie (TDKR) felt like it was this non stop string of characters explaining things. Then they walk to a new location and explain some more things. Then they walk somewhere else and explain some more. Nolan's obsessed with over explaining the convoluted plot mechanics to the point where he loses momentum and makes it feel muddled and endlessly expository. And he misses opportunities for visceral storytelling coolness when he does this... Perfect example: Batman returns to Gotham after it's been on it's own in the chaos for three months. Instead of having a big cool moment where batman appears at last... We get Bruce in his little jacket strolling up to Catwoman (ridiculously forgiving her for what she did, cause he "sees something more in her" which made no sense)... And he starts explaining his plan. (Not to mention brining up the "clean slate"... Possibly the most ridiculous element of the film)... Then we get Bruce taken to Fox... Then they go off and plan and talk, talk talk... Then finally there's a cool "batman appears" moment with Gordon on the ice, but even that is no where near as cool as it could have been.

Most of the movie was people talking to each other. If Nolan wanted to be realistic, they would texting each other. Or at least writing a blog. Christ no wonder studios churn out crap like Green Lantern or Transformers. Movies that will come and go faster than your attention spans. Years from now people will still be watching these Batman movies. Because they are fucking classics. While you guys, when you decide to grow up, will wonder why you thought Green Lantern was good in any respect.

Had to get that in there.

... I went to Austin in 2006 because I was banging one of the resident hot, rich, hippie chicks (Odin bless them), and we spent most of the time getting completely wasted. We went to this really crazy theater that had benches lined up instead of seats, and you could order beer and food. We saw a big presentation of R Kelly's 'Trapped in the Closet', but it was intercut with fanmade scenes, commentary from R Kelly (from a DVD) and a bunch of other funny shit. It was a really big place. We drank a bunch of pitchers (and later snuck into an apartment complex for some drunken mating rituals). My question is: was that the Alamo? Because I was really drunk but I remember it being a really geeked out, awesome theater. Had to have been, right?

It's growing on me. It DOES contain the baddest fuckin scene in any Batman film EVER, which is, course, Bane and Bruce's first fight. I really love Bane as a character. I'd even venture to say that this version of Bane is superior to the original version, who rubbed me the wrong way when Knightfall happened, because he was just so.... convenient. I can't believe that out of all the cats who have put Batman on any screen, large or small, it was Nolan--I am not a fan of BB or TDK, except for bits and pieces of each--who had the stones to break the Bat. Yeah, turns out it was just a 'vertebrae out of place' or whatever, but that scene stands alone in its awesomeness. "You fight like a young man. You hold nothing back. But you are mistaken." Man, I love how you can feel Bane smirking behind the mask while he just talks shit and hammers Bruce with the quickness. I'm done. Someone please answer my question about the Alamo. Word to your brother and your grandmother.

He seems like the type of "real world" guy that I would consider a friend and go out to get a burger and soda...and spend an hour discussing a movie with.

So, you're saying that all those critics who gave TDKR a positive review and the moviegoing audiences who liked TDKR are all wrong? Congratulations, you've won the condescending prick of the day award.

That's actually not a bad idea. It would be kind of like X-Men: First Class, set in the same era as when the comic book debuted. A Batman movie set in the 1930s would definitely be different from the existing Batman movies. We all know there's going to be a reboot in a couple of years' time. Even though Nolan's trilogy will be a tough act to follow.

Batman Begins, also the best in the series. You know... a movie about Batman... beating up bad guys... Trying out his new toys... The shit you expect when you go and watch a fucking Batman movie.

but i'm a bb>tdk guy so maybe zombie ledger doesnt influence my tdkr appreciation as much as tdk worshippers eh?

I sat right behind him at an AICN screening of FAST AND FURIOUS when I lived in Austin. It wasn't that bad.

They remind me of the shlocky creature feature shows local tv stations used to have on late-night Saturday programming. And that's a good thing.

But Harry had to put words in his mouth, interrupt, and then cut the already brief discussion even shorter by literally chasing Quint out off the set to get in some cornball loan shark segment, and force a half-ass segway in which Harry gets to talk about himself and make it all about HIS experience about some completely unrelated topic.

If you don't like TDKR you don't enjoy Batman..more so you don't enjoy life!

I seem to remember both of Tim Burton's movies devoting about the same amount of screentime to the villains as to Batman himself. So wouldn't this be what we come to expect from a Batman movie?

but these videos are a little too public access channel for me.

Holy Fawk! Most film geek Olympic opening ceremony of ALL TIME! I've seen Voldemort, Mary Poppins, Powell & Pressburger and a hundred more in some bizarro scouring of the shire stadium... Fuck athletics - this fucking shit is AWESOME!

Nothing was more menacing than that one scene when he puts the back of his hand on Daggat's shoulder, and asks him if he feels he's in control. I would say Bane is one of greatest movie villains I've seen in a long time.

that never for one moment did I envisage the Queen and James Bond parachuting out of a helicopter at an Olympic Opening ceremony. The most fucked up thing I have ever seen. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T0EtNLJS21o

Having Harry hate on Nolan's movies and then seeing Harry and listening to his mind at work..... got me thinking that i'd be more grossed out if Harry 'liked' Nolan. Stay in the basement Harry.

The best you can do is apologize for its shortcomings. It was trite, by the numbers Hollywood at its worst.

This was actually entertaining even if I couldn't stop trying to make sense of what Harry was thinking when he fixed his hair.

Fucking DUUUUUUUH. They actually contradicted themselves multiple times on what the device actually was. Pavel actually calls it a neutron bomb (I think it was right before he got deuced by Bane) with a 6 mile blast radius. Which is not how neutron bombs work. See, you sit for a few seconds and start analyzing these movies and they fall apart. Stop thinking so much about it.

Not as much [a mistake] as you have... I fear." Or whatever he said. I was like, "Daaaaamn, it's about to go downtown for Bruce.

http://www.quora.com/The-Dark-Knight-Rises-2012-movie/How-realistic-is-the-injury-and-treatment-that-Bruce-Wayne-undergoes-in-The-Dark-Knight-Rises

...Quint, you seem like a cool, down to earth guy. Glad to have you aboard. Though maybe you should get off this sinking ship and set up port in better waters.

Is that a tribute to the late Sherman Hemsley?

I noticed earlier in the film it was referred to as a neutron bomb, which made sense as they're designed to destroy living tissue but leave infrastructure intact (I know they never achieved that in real life, but c'mon, it's Batman) and it would also avoid the criticism people have made about everyone in Gotham getting cancer, as the fallout is greatly reduced. That's ruined later on, however, when they do refer to it as a nuclear bomb. I did enjoy the film though - there were several leaps of logic I was able to overlook in The Dark Knight (ferries?! That's your diabolical plan?!) and I'm able to do the same in this one and enjoy the hell out of it.

I "HATE" Harry but like benlinus said I only come here for the talkbacks. Harry just happened to be right about not liking this movie, but like someone said before Harry was still fucked up in his reasoning even though he was right. Nolan is such a hack.

I wish he would go back to wearing his round spectacles, though. Then I could truly rest easy.

Keep it up Harry and don't mind the jerks.

:) that was so fuckin cool :)

Until Quint packs up shop and builds his own home. When you build it, we shall all come.

everyone in this movie is there to move bruce's story forward honestly, i think that if you care more about the human being behind the batman mask then you loved this movie in the end, bruce wins in every way. he puts painful his past behind him and finally begins to have a life. batman finally becomes the symbol he hoped would inspire gotham. bruce passes the torch of batman to a worthy successor. and best of all, bruce ends up with cat woman in italy. lots of people hated the end of harry potter, because they thought that the scene at the train station was too happy and sweet. but the entire story of harry potter was about harry having a family (after losing his as a baby). the last scene was everything that the story was moving toward. it's the same with the story Nolan told of Bruce. the end of Batman isn't the fantasy of endless adventure that fans of superheroes want to see. but for people who see that bruce is a broken person who is trying to use batman to fix his world... the end is bruce finally succeeding. his world is finally healed. that is a beautiful ending for people who care more about Bruce Wayne than just enjoying some fantasy about being a superhero. the superhero fantasy of the summer was The Avengers. the dark knight rises was a human story. find me someone who didn't walk about of the dark knight rising with their heart swelling and i'll show you someone who is self centered

Before Machete. Before American Me. Before La Bamba. There was LUPE! Somewhere right now Eric Estrada & Charo are weeping and possibly eating BBQ.

There kid was Huntress. There is a precedent for this from the early 80's.

Are you seriously so bound by society's expectations that you spend money, time, and blood shaving every day?

Amen, brother. It's one of the most satisfying endings that I've ever seen. Never been so happy for a fictional character.

Try googling Empire Magazine's Dark Knight Rises podcast - a very clever and well-thought out (as well as spoiler-filled) discussion. These people clearly loved the film, but within that just chat about their impressions, etc (and yes, a few nitpicks, but they treat them as such and take a more reasoned approach to the film). At any rate, I found it hilarious that the cool guys at Empire poke fun at Harry's review, check out minute 35.50 for a laugh! http://soundcloud.com/empiremagazine/dark-knight-rises-spoiler-podcast The difference with Harry is that they clearly understand film and how to critique it. Harry's sad review comes from a fundamental misunderstanding of the film's characterizations/motivations/structure, and instead devolves into, "Waaah! That's not what the comic was like, I want my comics!". It doesn't view it as a piece of film, or even a continuation of the trilogy, but rather as something to be judged by how faithful it is - not to the comic, but to Harry's skewed and HIGHLY subjective perception of the comic. It makes no sense at all to anyone but Harry and rips his last remaining piece of credibility to shreds. And trust me, I'm no blind apologist or "Nolanite" (whatever that is).

Go to 35:00 and take it from there. 35:50 will take you too far ahead.

"oh they had some cool concept footage that got leaked" , stfu quint i need more Antman and you and harry ARE NOT DELIVERING.

..............ANT-MAN.................

Random If anyone cares, someone uploaded by phantomcreepsreturns The Killing of America on youtube. Just type in the title and uncut. Trippy real life footage. Seems like early COPS episodes mixed with faces of death. Interesting footage, because it is from 1982. Shows 42nd street, showing Shogun Assassin on the marquee.

was horrible

Seriously dude, you are one fat sonofabitch!!!!

Jesus Christ Harry, you've wrecked your body - you are a young man in a wheelchair for no other reason than your weight! Quint, you still have time. Jesus guys, take care of yourselves.

Or maybe it was a donut truck.

Harry is revolting to look at

and she was revolted at Harry's physical condition and his shameful, awkward slobbering over Jacqueline Bisset. I like him, though, even though he's awful.

I really think an Ant Man movie could be incredible given today's technology. And it totally lends itself to funny/rousing like Avengers.

he oughta have his own site, not this *you work for me* baloney.

of the biggest movies ever made here. It's fucking horrendous and deserves an explanation.

if anyones really connecting this movie to what that fucker did, then I suggest that they try harder to use their minds to sort out what reality is.

from my treadmill.

Limp? Flaccid? Bane was menacing. Bruce rising from the pit was goosebump inducing. The ending made me want to cheer. Based on some of the crap Harry has gushed over, his reviews should come with a "for entertainment purposes only" disclaimer.

Just saying

That's just fucking lame.

I must say that the production values on the video are excellent.

Just saw it tonight and thought it was very much in keeping with the tone and quality of the other two Nolan movies. I’m not sure what people are complaining about, unless it is just that it deviates too far from the comic book version of Batman. If you over analyze it, I’m sure there are some things that don’t make sense, but so what? I found it to be an intense and captivating 2 hours and 45 minutes.

Knowles CLAIMS his accident was being run over by a trolly cart carrying comic books but I don't believe him. It would be just like him to lie about this so that even his injury is in some way a geeky one wheras the probable truth is something much more mundane. I've never read any independant corroboration of Knowles' supposed comic book accident but over the years I've come to see him as the unscruulous, unethical and frankly dishonest individual he is so I dont doubt for one moment he has lied about this. Of course that does not deminish from the fact he sustained a serious handicap but I'm willing to bet he hasn't fully told the truth about it.

Like the recent digital print of RAIDERS, it still looks like film, on film stock of the period, but immaculate with zero blemishes. Sound is also excellent, with John Williams' score in bright, clear surround, and none of the hollow flanging of simulated* stereo sound effects which plagued the DVD. There is some noticeable noise in a few night shots — mostly though in the dinner scene at Brody's. There's also one shot where the RGB layers are shifting out of register (when Quint is reeling in his bobbing line), but you probably won't notice that on Blu-ray. The VFX of the strobe light flashing under the water and shooting stars also look less dupey and, thus, more integrated. The original Universal logo and closing cards are present; the only addition being a blue MPAA PG rating at the absolute end. JAWS fans will love this.

Sorry im kind of new here. Is this the same profound dissapoint "reviewer". I just cant believe he exists. lol. This is guy is to reviewing, what William Hung (remember that motherfucker) is to singing. Someone should break it to him... On a Serious note this guy needs to lose weight or he might die. My uncle was about his size and died of a heart attack at 45 :(

I am not one who thinks people are unintelligent for not liking a film. We all have different tastes and preferences. The films Nolan makes are the films I want to see. period. Serious, dramatic, emotional, big scale epics. Films that do not look like a video game or a music video but an actual movie! What other "superhero movie" are you going to get scenes like the ones with Michael Caine and Christian Bale. Seriously. And I know most people dont care about that. They dont care about acting or pacing or any of the elements needed to make a good film that so few even attempt to perform correctly anymore. They just want to see their comic books come to life. I stopped reading comics a long time ago. I just want to see a good movie. Nolan's job is not to make a movie exactly like a comic book. His job is to make a good movie and in my opinion he does this almost flawlessly. I'm really looking forward to what he works on now as a director because quite frankly, he's better than this franchise. I just hope he doesn't start making lighter, "happier" films after the horrible tragedy in Denver... One common thread of his work is pain. The characters all are going through their own private hell they are trying to escape. Pain. And what's good drama without a little pain...

Avengers is a movie people will be talking about 20 years from now. Game changer. DKR will be forgotten in about 6 months.

7 stories of image that meant an actual size bat flying around building size buildings(I'm really talking about batman). Much of the thing felt like it was really happening. One of the most visceral experiences ever in a theater. I think having Harry trash it allowed me to just take it on it's terms and I loved it. I was like here is where Alfred cries again and it's bullshit but I don't care because that's the way they wrote this particular batman comic and I'm not a fucking child.  I like that Batman gets a happy ending comic for once. He usually ends up old, alone and possibly gay in his mansion mentoring batman beyond and shit. Who is the character that works for Bane and falls through ice? Mr. freeze or penguin or riddler? Please don't delete this simple comment about the movie. This is a nerd site not discussing one of the biggest genre pics ever made and it's like another bullitt flying into our collective conscious when you silence people.

I stand by my theory of donut truck. Although your post is entirely plausible. Harry has always reminded me of that friend that lies or boasts and you know they lie, but you stick around for some reason. This does not imply that Harry always lies or doesn't have anything cool to brag about. However it's like those tastes of success aren't enough. He craves more (donuts) and he must turn his daily minutiae into AMAZING events. This is more likely in past conquests because no one knows for sure. Harry has retconned his life to make him special. The problem is that he is indeed special, but he wants to be the most special.

"DKR will be forgotten in about 6 months." Even if Aurora never happened, you don't think people would be discussing Rises in a few years when the inevitable reboot is released? Why is it so important to make these exaggerated statements that suggest it's somehow impossible for these two movies to coexist within popular culture?

there goes your social life. HA! HA! HA! HA! HA! HA! HA! HA! HA! HA! HA! HA! HA! HA! HA! HA! HA!

He sounded like Darth Vader going through puberty. TDKR was a complete and total mess of a film. Sloppy editing and way too many groan worthy moments. What's worse, being disintegrated by a Nuclear Bomb? Or dealing with the radiation fallout for years afterwards? Because that's what the people of Gotham are facing. I really don't agree with anything that ever comes out of Harry's mouth, but his review was pretty close to my feelings on the movie. Except for the Man-Bat and Clayface rant.

Saw TDKR last night after avoiding reviews this week. I also just read Harrys review - what an undeserved posion pen letter. I thought TDKR was a very very good film. Slightly weaker than the first two films imho but only marginally - and that says more about the high quality of its two predecessors than it does about any low quality of RISES. The cinematography, dramatic weight, ambition of the set pieces, and performance of an absolute magisterial cast - these things are not to be glossed over just because Bane didnt have a south american accent or because you thought the nuke looked too big! For gods sake this is proper film making by grown ups and for grown ups - really people! Consider the alternatives... youve seen the generic shit we get shovelled like GREEN LANTERN, CAPTAIN AMERICA, HULK, FANTASTIC FOUR - come on you have eyes, you have to see that this is in another league? Let Harry go gooey over GREEN LANTERN - but you dear talkbacker know better. You know quality when you see it right?

mrhazard, great post I very much feel the same way. I didnt carry the baggage of reading a thousand Batman comic stories as Harry had - leading him to make a string of bizarro statements about what *his* Batman would or wouldnt do. Ive never even heard of Manbat before reading his review so I have no idea if the film would have been improved by having Manbat in it?? And im glad I didnt know about these things because it meant I could enjoy the film as its meant to be enjoyed. As. A. Film.

One last point about TDKR... did anyone else think it felt like an Extended Edition? Now I find I like Extended Editions more if ive seen the the theatrical cut first. But I can picture it working better the first time out if it had been 20 mins shorter. The corporate guy trying to takeover Wayne Enterprises boardroom - cut Matthew Modine refusing to come out of his house - cut Joseph Gordon Levitt and the orphans on the bridge - cut Special Forces meeting Morgan Freeman and then getting pwned - cut A bit of streamlining for the theatrical version might have made it an easier first watch and spared our bladders!

Bane would kill you in two seconds. Also, Harry Knowles is a fucking idiot who wouldn't a good movie if it fucked him in his fat ass. His TDKR review is the proof.

The whole plot twist at the end practically ruined the movie. It made no fucking sense and it deflated the hell out of Bane as he villain.

Because it copped out on being a film that respected the source material. It tried too hard to be grounded in reality, which is already a patently stupid conceit given the premise of the movie. Wait, not a single city inspector saw them placing fucking explosives in the sewer system? Really?

Especially the plot twist at the end which made absolutely no fucking sense and raped the whole Ras Al Ghul storyline from the Batman comics. SPOILER ALERT What Nolan did to Talia Al Ghul was criminal. Not to mention it, as I said, made absolutely no fucking sense even in the context of her professed motivation.

I always feel like you should be able to tell any story in 90 mins to 2 hours. 2 hours and 15 at the most. When you are almost reaching THREE HOURS, it's a little too much. With that being said, Nolan I feel did a good job pacing the film which is hard to do with a movie like this. I actually think while TDK is a better movie, DKR is a better paced film. I wasnt really bored or "tired of it" at any time. I'm sure the studio wanted him to cut it a little and maybe he should've. I agree with some of the scenes you listed too, cobra, that could've been easily omitted. I think Nolan just wanted to make this film as big of an epic as he could. The scale of this movie and some of the scenes are just incredible. I cant even imagine filming a scene like the riot Batman/Bane fight at the end......... And from the best I could tell, there was no CGI used for that. It looked like they really got hundred and hundreds of extras and IMO that makes the scene(s) much more breathtaking. You dont see that in movies anymore. And if he did use CGI, it was barely noticeable, which is how you SHOULD use CGI! But Nolan knew he had a lot to prove and live up to after the last movie. This movie isnt better than TDK but it's a damn good effort and great way to end the series.

Harry is so gross and uncalled for. I want some info, not fake overcompensating salivating over some has been B movie actresses tits! YUCK

Loved Happy Madison. Felt this quote fit his review

There it's complete

Yeah, if you believe in reincarnation. I don't. Sure, it's visually impressive but why such a lame premise..? Basically it's a remake of 'The Fountain', right..?

are mostly just upset with how it deviated from the comics, which is not a legitimate criticism of the movie, imo. I do agree that there were some plot holes and that the movie could have been streamlined some, but I still thought it was really good and a worthy end to the trilogy, which is easily the best superhero trilogy to date, as far as I am concerned.

Would actually diminish much of the themes present in the film and would give the "haters" more to complain about. For instance, I've heard many times people questioning how the government wouldn't try to send any ground forces in to take back the city. We need the bodies of the special forces guys hanging from the city to show them why.

The slaughter of the special forces team is very necessary to the plot. It shows how hopeless government intervention is. And the bodies hanging from that bridge is a chilling image that definitely amplifies the threat. I can maybe see your point on Matthew Modine... but I did like his arc. I think he's necessary to show that there will always be sacrifices.

Thing flew by (on multiple viewings).

I do agree that cutting scenes does diminish a movie. Especially in the hands of the top tier filmakers like Peter Jackson, James Cameron, Ridley Scott... and although he has yet to release a directors cut I include Christopher Nolan in that company. Every time I prefer the extended edition over the shorter version, and also once youve seen an extended edition you cant really go back and enjoy the theatrical cut without noticing the jigsaw pieces that are missing. However for theatrical purposes the movie ran a wee bit too long - and as cool as some of those scenes are I think the film may have been better served with a bit of trimming. Also for logistical reasons its better for a film to come in below 150 mins because a cinema wants to screen four showings a day and if it exceeds that they can only make 3 screenings - potentially a lot of lost revenue.

The review is senselessly negative. al Ghul trained Bain. He's not South American. So what? If you want the comic, read the comic. Play Arkham City. Watch the animated series. It's enough. I'm far more entertained with a new story and actual surprises. As cool as a strict interpretation of the comic sounds, it just wouldn't be entertaining. We already know what happens in Knightfall. We don't need to see it put on the big screen. We don't need another Watchmen. I just saw this in IMAX and I loved every second of it. Making Bruce Wayne more human was the best thing they could have done for the character. In fact, forgetting the fact that he IS human has been the bane of the comic for years. I'm sure if you hold out long enough you can watch him fight Superman or some dumb shit like that.

Got tired of this site... first visit in probably a year. (I'm not really interested in anything other than horror/sci fi) Happened upon this video - and really enjoyed it. Make more. This format is cool. Has an "In Bob Burn's Basement" feel to it.

I'd say he represents more than sacrifice. In the first half he's a red herring, someone who stymies the good guys at every turn, so we think he's with the League. But by the end, he represents something more. He represents that person who has lost all hope and abandons his responsibility in the face of potential chaos and destruction. But when he sees the flaming Bat-signal in the bridge... hope is restored, and he too rises up to the challenge, to do what is right. What makes this even more important is that he is hell-bent on catching the Batman early on in the film. But when all hope is lost and he has essentially given up, he sees that Bat-signal and regains his strength and courage. That's the power of the Batman. He can inspire others to do great things. And that's when Matthew Modine once again dons his *own* costume, and he puts on his ceremonial officer's uniform and wears it proudly on the battlefield.

It was awesome

NUTS I tells ya, NUTS! How's that for some Extended Edition, Cobra Kai =)?

vader, thats AWESOME news! When people ask me what my fave film is - if im allowed to cheat slightly and call a trilogy one film - then it has to be LOTR! My only concern is has this come about as a result of Jackson having lots of left over footage originally earmarked for the Extended Editions? In other words have we simply gone from two 3 hour extended editions to three 2 hour theatrical versions? If you have 6 hours of footage it probably pays to make them into 3 movies rather than 2. (if of course, we get three movies AND three extended editions for home release then wow! i'll be happy as a pig in shit.) ps. well done on breaking the official news before aicn!

Yeah dude, I'm VERY interested to see how this plays out. Love the idea!

First time I watched Basement. Better than I was expecting.

One of the worst written/conceived/realized characters I've ever scene in a movie ever.

Modines character was responsible for the biggest face palm moment of TDKR for sure. All that - ho ho ho, this wounded police commisioner and his kerrazy talk about.. ha ha.. a man... in a mask!!! (I just wanted to be the kid in the back of the class sticking his hand up and saying... but hasnt Gotham City recently suffered two almost apocalyptic crisis at the hands of men in mask. For fucks sake the Scarecrow even had an underground lair in the sewer system!) Might have been more plausible if rather than take a bullet Gordon had taken a blow to the head - then maybe you could make a case for him getting his facts confused. As it was the Police Commisioner was TELLING Modine that there were criminals in the sewer and he also had a bullet hole to prove it. Modine just seemed like a totally illogical moron to laugh it off and not bother to investigate.

All hope is on Prometheus and Dredd now.

Not Prometheus. Which was a fucking travesty.

The icing on the cake, however, is when Modine does finally decide to look into the sewers, he sends the ENTIRE FRIGGIN' police force down there to get trapped. It's almost like a bad joke and the entire police force getting trapped in the sewer's is the punchline. We get it Nolan, Gordon is a great Commissioner and no one can replace him. But, come on. Enos from The Dukes of Hazzard is a more realistic depiction of an incompetent policeman than Modine's Foley.

Spoiler... Yep, modines character is king of the stupids. His death at the end feels like a mercy killing.

Another modine moment... Bane breaks into the stock exchange, murders several traders with an automatic weapon and diverts millions of dollars. Modine orders the multitude of cops not to pursue him because, and I quote, he's just a robber. WTF??!!!!!!!!!??

Well Modine did think Batman had murdered Harvey Dent and several cops. He was the bigger target, in his mind.

He was probably the least interesting character in the movie... but the weakest you've ever seen? I can think of a lot worse. Any given character in Immortals, for example.

Because his Bat was broken. Derp!

most people that like TDKR either have really small brains and are easily entertained, can't think for themselves, or are so hypnotized by Nolan that they're in extreme denial that movie was terrible.

SPOILER LADEN RANT: YET, Chris Nolan is given carte blanche to absolutely rape the character of Talia Al Ghul in the service of a completely idiotic plot twist that made no logical sense even in the context of the film. The twist also had the effect of completely emasculating Bane as the villain, and turned him into a pathetic lovesick puppy. There was absolutely no reason Takia al Ghul had to even BE in the movie. She was there simply to create a ridiculous plot twist. It was ridiculous and nearly ruined the movie.

She was no necessary. (She was there solely to create the plot twist at the end, and caused the Nolan's to fuck up other plot elements. every illogical and stupid plot element was caused by her presence in the film)

Bane breaks into te stock exchange, and EVERYONE THERE SEESVHIM TRYING TO RUN A PROGRAM TO HACK THE SYSTEM, he escapes and then suddenly Bruce Wayne trades away his fortune. AND NOBODY SUSPECTS FRAUD!! Nobody, except, Lucious Fox. Any normal person would have an army of lawyers fighting the damn thing. It was beyond stupid.

--in how they tried to jam in all kinds of idiotic things to wrap the series up.

Don't "try to elevate personal dislike or minor errors into a gross artistic mistake. This isn’t about the movies. It’s about appointing oneself the supreme arbiter of taste above all those disgusting little plebs."

Bane would have somehow been able to gain access to the nuclear device, right?

That was shown to be easy to forge for us the audience, but for every other normal person in that movie? Its going to look a bit different.

TDKR was a better movie than Immortals for sure, but that said, even the Minotaur was a better character than Modine's Foley.

She was just tacked on to add a big twist at the end. Only, thing is, unless you were a fan of the comic book this twist would have been completely lost on you because there was no indication in Begins that Ral Al Ghul had a daughter. And if you were a fan of the comics, then you most likely would have been pissed of like hesiod at how Nolan mistreated the character. Perhaps, if Nolan had included a scene where Miranda and Bruce swap stories about how their fathers had been taken from them, it would have helped in developing the character a little. But, as it stands she is just a one dimensional femme fatale. And not a very good one at that.

There are actually people in this world who are considered attractive, athletic, socially polished and financially successful who also enjoy nerd culture. You don't necessarily have to be an over weight, bearded, fashion challenged, bespectacled man-child to be indoctrinated into "the club". I'm not one to poke fun at a person's physical attributes. If you feel that the typical nerd persona works for you then go for it. Just don't lump everyone else into that category.

Harry and Quint don't help support your case, but do support that of wcolbert, et al.

My issue is with people like wcolbert that said " I'm sure that you guys are ripped and swarmed by hot women... Get over yourselves you're nerds too." Being a "nerd" ia not always synonymous with out-of-shape, bearded, bespectacled social misfits. How do I know this? Because I'm a self professed "nerd" yet I'm diametrically opposed to any of those traits. I'm close to Harry and Quint's age but I'm in peak physical condition (even after 2 back surgeries) and considered "handsome". I played 2 sports in college, married a beautiful intelligent woman, dress appropriately fashionable and have an extremely successful career. I just think it's kind of insulting to be lumped into that stereotypical category of uber-geek-living-in-his-parents-basement just because I enjoy "nerd" culture. Some of us are the complete opposite of wcolbert's assumption. I just din't feel like saying it because it sounds like bravado.

You must be one of Harry's clones.

So, what's your point?

At the end of the day though how many times have critics gone gaga over a film and then you see it and think "are they on drugs!"? OK we have the haters, so lets take them out of the equation as there are people on here who genuinely like myself didnt like it and give good reasons. I wanted to love DKR, I love the first 2, DK is one of the best superhero films ever made, it was a game changer in pushing studio's to make quality hero movies. I just couldn't love it, its a mess of a film and a huge disappointment especially after what Nolan did with the first 2. I still believe Nolan's heart wasn't truly into doing a 3rd movie and it really shows.

As I said, all the stupid plot elements in the movie were invented to force feed a twist ending involving Miranda Tate. Why dd Bruce hide he reactor? It made no sense. ANY nuclear reactor can be wraponized. Take away te be easily if hiding the reactor, and you take away te whole point of Miranda Tate's existence in te movie. Wayne industries didn't need to partner with Tate to finance be project either. Or, maybe Tate was subordinate to Bane? maybe she was HIS acolyte? But, the biggest problem was that the twist at the end emasculated Bane as a villain.

itmovie it was well acted (mostly), extreme,y well directly and paced, had great cinematography, score and pretty good character dialogue. What it lacked was an airtime plot. And ts pliot holes and force fed twist ending detracted from the movie. You can see how the Nolan's plotted the movie backwards from the twist ending.

TDKR was a total ripoff in so many ways. First, Nolan has spent the first few films being as realistic as possible. Then, in this film, he does a bunch of ridiculous stuff: 1) Batman has a broken vertebrae and walks on a cane, then miraculously starts kicking ass after doing pushups in a prison for a few months. Previously, he had to use a damn machine on his knee to even walk right. 2) Bane punches threw a granite/concrete column thing with his bare fist. 3) The nuclear bomb decay rate was figured out to the point that they were able to put a giant timer on it. Unrealistic. Second, there were a TON of problems with the script. 1) They build Bane up as this super bad-ass who was "born in darkness" and was the only one able to "climb the wall" and escape the prison. So, they really set him up to be this equal to Batman, a real challenge to the bat. Then, they destroy all that narrative work by letting the viewer know that none of that was true at all. Talia was the one who climbed the wall, and she was the one born in darkness. 2) So, the decision to destroy Bane's backstory was done for the sake of a 2 minute romance flashback. Ok, fine, but then Nolan gets zero mileage out of the romance because he kills both characters off 10 minutes later. That was dumb. Why build up Bane's backstory for the entire movie to throw it away on a half-assed 10 minute love story at the very end??? It just undermined the entire setup and provided zero payoff. Third, Nolan worked hard, if you watch the 2nd and 3rd movies back to back, to set up Batman's 8 year hiatus and retirement. But, that's just dumb shit because Nolan totally misunderstands the character of Batman. Harry was spot on with this. Regardless of the comics, Batman is not a "normal" dude, and he does not seek "normalcy". The hope of a normal life is not what keeps him going. He is a billionaire with murdered parents who dresses up at night like a bat and beats the shit out of people because that's how he makes a difference and helps make the world a better place. Yea, by beating the shit out of people. Is becoming Batman the sort of thing that a dude who wants normalcy? No. Superheros don't retire. They're better than you and me, or they try to be, and that's why we love them. He's don't retire, they go out in a Blaze of glory. It's been this way since Beowulf (the poem). Batman isn't the sort of dude to take 8 years off, for any reason, and he damn sure isn't the type to retire to Italy and spend his days sleeping with catwoman. When he tried to retire in the comics, it was typically because he was getting old or for other forced reasons, not cause he "wanted" to retire. Having Batman retire and spend 8 year out of the action is like having James Bond just say "Screw it, I'm tired of all this ass-kicking and license to kill stuff, I think I'm just gonna retire with the secretary at age 40." It's just not in the character. And..Gotham doesn't "need" him anymore so he can retire?? What a bunch of bullshit. Maybe he takes a break for a few months, but retire???

I didnt like dkr either, however they took the retirement bit from FM's TDKR in which he retired as he blamed himself for Robins death. In DKR hes retired not just because of taking the blame for Dent, but mainly because he blames himself over Rachaels death due to his actions as Batman. Its one of the only things in DKR that does make sense. One thing that hit me was also the walking the ice bit as there wasnt one person who thought to lay on the ice and crawl across it spreading their weight so they had a better chance of getting across.

1. Instead of venom, Bane has genetically engineered steroids constantly pumped into his body to give him superhuman strength as well as his brain to give him a genius level IQ. 2. Lose the ridiculous gas mask and replace it with a skull-faced lucha libre wrestling mask. That way it is truer to the original character and no need for the terrible underwater sounding voice over. 3. Make him South American with a South American accent, not British with whatever that accent was Hardy was attempting. 4. Use tactful cgi to enhance the actors own muscular structure to make Bane look like a mountain of muscles as he is in the comics.

5. Give Bane a point for existing and being the charismatic leader others would follow to their death, other than him just being some love-sick puppy dog.

A lot of you did not pay close attention to this movie it seems. Never have I seen so many negative reviews and so many claims of "plot holes" for ONE movie than I have seen with this one. most of your questions are answered in the movie and if you can let go of the fact that A. This movie was NEVER going to be as good as the Dark Knight and B. This is NOT the comic. This story has gone out of its way to place an overall unrealistic idea to begin with into reality (I.E having a protruding vertebrae is not the same as having a COMPLETELY broken back) Bane immasculated? How is Bane any less of a badass just because a woman was running the show? We do not know how much of the plan was his or hers we just know that Batman got his ass handed to him by Bane and Talia just happened to be calling the shots. There was no other explanation as to how Bane could have known about the reactor. its really quite obvious that she was involved in the terror plot the whole time. The Stock exchange was an assault on Batman/Bruce Wayne because there is no way the big plan would have worked unless you cut Batman off from his biggest tool: his money. If you dont make things hard for Batman he will foil you (see Batman Begins). Batman is invulnerable; Bruce Wayne is not. Everything else that happened at the Stock exchange was basically staged so to make Batman broke without him knowing until it was too late. This movie humanized Bruce Wayne in a way that has never been done before, from his retirement (he blamed him self for Racheal and Harvey's deaths. Also Batman had no choice but to quit we saw how man cops chased him as soon as he showed his face again. I think that would make crime fighting a little difficult) to his failure, and finding the resolve to rise out of the pit after having his body broken and nearly his spirit broken as well. It was very epic and uplifting to see him work his way to escaping that prison and remembering what made Batman the bad ass he was when saved the city in the Dark Knight. This movie was beautifully shot and has much more to it than it just being a comic movie about a dude who dresses up and beats the snot out of people on a nightly basis. Its about rich and poor, terrorism, and the damaged psyche of a man who witnessed the horror of his parents being murdered in front of him because this city was SO messed up. The heartbreak Alfred felt when he knew the monster he helped create was basically becoming a means of suicide for Bruce Wayne, because he was so miserable. Without him having the Batman outlet to deal with his anger he sank into a deep depression. This is how things happen in REAL LIFE. I thought the ending was wonderful in the sense that it provided Bruce Wayne with closure (like Alfred said, Gotham held nothing but pain for him) and it left someone to take up the mantel. the Robin name drop was lame, but I got chills when Blake rose on the platform. I'll also give you guys that escaping a 6 mile radius nuke is far fetched, but isnt a man that can disappear and show up at will strike you guys as a little unrealistic as well? Lastly, this story carries elements from: Knightfall, Cataclysm and the Dark Knight Returns. If you want comics read those then come back and talk about the realism in those stories.

Bane did have a genius level IQ. Who cares if hes south american or not? I do not see how the relevance of that would have added to the story. Bane is one of the leaders of the league of shadows, the people in the league will show him blind devotion no matter what; as we saw in Batman Begins. And how is he love sick? He protected a little girl that was born in the "worst" prison in the world. If anything it showed bane was more than just an "evil mastermind" because even he could not just let an innocent little girl stroll around a prison. The insanity he exhibits later is probably due to the face that he is in pain 24/7 from his facial problem. CGI for muscles? that would have been a pretty big stretch for a franchise that is trying to stick to realism. Tom Hardy was perfect for a REALISTIC looking buff guy and maintain the speed needed to go toe to toe with Batman. People that are as big as the comic Bane can barely move.

Kakii - yea, but when Robin died, he didn't retire because he wanted "normalcy". He retired because he felt guilt. Even then, he came back. That I can remember, Batman has never retired because he wanted to be normal. @bushidobrown - Bane was emasculated to a large degree. Not because he had emotions for Talia, but because they built up this huge backstory for 3/4 of the movie. Specifically, he was 1. "born in darkness" and 2. was the only person who climbed out of that prison. Those two events set up Bane to be a real equal to Batman, not just some extra tough thug or bodyguard, and it makes it more clear why people will follow Bane to their death - because he's done things that no other man can do. Then, Nolan pisses all over that for the sake of a 2 minute romantic flashback, and then has the gall to kill both the lovers before he even gets any mileage out of the romance. So, they build Bane up to be worthy villian, then destroy all that in one swoop by saying that he did none of the things he was known for, and then don't even get any substantial mileage out of the romance. very dumb.

Bane was still trained by Ra's Al Ghul, and he was still the face of the League of Shadows movement, so it turning out that he was not the guy who climbed out of the to me did not take away from his brutality. He is still terrifying, and he still be the shit out of Batman, which is something no other villain had done up to that point. I'm guessing Nolan did not put much stock into the the Bane/Talia romance was probably because the story was already nearly 3 hours, and honestly it really wasnt that important to the rest of the story. Just because he did not come out of the pit it does not mean he wasn't born in darkness somewhere else. I also did not find that this Batman retired for normalcy. He never actually wanted to retire, but he was forced to because Gotham's entire police force would mobilize anytime he wanted to show up. Wayne's leg was never explained; maybe it happened because he tried to come out of retirement and an accident happened in police pursuit? The League of Shadows is meant to be a nod to terrorism as we know it today, I see parallels between the league and an organization such as Al Quaida, which has people that will blindly die for their commanders, even if they are really just regular people. Bane was not the lead dog, but he proved to be Batman's equal by executing the plan and single handedly defeating Batman in a hand to hand fight. If that does not make Bane his equal, what else would? Batman lost on a cerebral and a physical level at first

Harry's developed a good screen personality.

Because he isn't real. Sorry for the delayed response, but my job doesn't involve defending every negative post regarding TDKR like some people on this site. Seriously, some of you just need to get over it.

You know what would be even better, Harry? If no one bothered to see it.