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Scoring news on THE GIFT, positioning on a composer for SPIDER-MAN and TRAFFIC

Hey folks, Harry here... and ya know what? My favorite part about getting reports from 'the ghost of Bernard Herrmann' is the nice little musical cue he composes and digitizes as a WINAMP file for me to listen to while I read his nice little letters. I'm under orders not to share this music with anyone, so alas... It's a lonely sense of enjoyment. Here's the scoop and enjoy...

Hi Harry, how ya doin'?

We've talked before, but I'm sure you've forgotten--no one ever pays any attention to me!--so let me reintroduce myself. I'm the Ghost of Bernard Herrmann. Yeah, yeah, sure, you thought you'd heard the last of me after Taxi Driver, but even though Twi, my post-mortem mutt and I spend most of our time haunting the moors of jolly old England, we still do our fair share of moanin' and chain rattlin' back in that sunny cesspool known as L.A.

But of course, even the dead need a place to roost. DePalma lets me use his attic now and then, and I advise him on how to mix his scores. But after he let Sakamoto steal from me and Stravinsky in Snake Eyes, and after he let Morricone get away with that Mars score… well, my vapor trail ain't gonna be hanging around his house anytime soon! Fortunately, Danny Elfman is good enough to lend me out his basement once in a while. I taught him how to score for low woodwinds, he granted me free access to his theremins and gamelans--a perfect deal. I even wrote the lad a new intro to my Psycho score. (You didn't think *he* wrote that glassy little preamble, did ya!?)

So why am I bothering you? Impatient, impatient! I'm here to chew your ear about THE GIFT. Looks like ol' Danny boy is gonna be scoring the thing. I'd have done it better, but I guess they want a living composer. But beyond this, look for Danny playing a bit part in the film: a Southern-fried fiddle player (complete with accent, no less) in a dream sequence. You've read the script, you know the guy. He trades quips with little Miss Blanchett.

And incidentally, THE GIFT positions Elfman exactly one film away from Raimi's SPIDERMAN, and without saying too much, you may be hearing more news on that front soon.

Oh sure, there's more. I could tell you about Elfman's involvement with the upcoming EDWARD SCISSORHANDS DVD, or about the fact that his JULIAN--a ghostly script he penned years ago… gee, I wonder where he got the notion!--is picking up some momentum right now. Heck, I could tell you all about Jonny Williams landing THE PATRIOT, or the long-off but very real possibility of Tommy Newman scoring TRAFFIC and OCEAN'S 11. But you know what… I'll tell ya later.

The Ghost of Bernard Herrmann signing off.

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  • March 21, 2000 4:23 AM CST

    A Clockwork Orange!

    by Dirtfish

    Danny Elfman is a great composer his work on Edward Scissorhands was superb. Edward Scissorhands is without doubt one of the best films that Tim Burton has blessed us with, its also the only truely decent Johnny Depp film. Music is so important in films, the best example of how important is in A Clockwork Orange, in that film Stanley Kubrick uses superb music with astouding visuals. Music and Visuals at its cinematic best!

  • March 21, 2000 4:44 AM CST

    Elfman rules

    by CANARYKING

    Let,s hope that Danny does get the Spiderman score.His music is very emotional.It made Edward Scissorhands into a great film.

  • Truth be told, I can't think of a composer that'd be *more wrong* for Spider-Man than Elfman. Elfman leans toward quirkily bouncy music or eerily haunting music...neither of which really fit Spider-Man. Not sure who I would go with, though. Good ol' James Horner usually comes through for action flicks. He's deserving of some criticism, yes, but remember how his music bolstered "Aliens", "Braveheart", "Wrath of Khan", "Glory", and many others. John Ottman might be interesting too. His work on "The Usual Suspects" was very catchy, and cooly melodramatic in an old-school Bernard Herrmann way. What about some of the folks who worked on the "Heat" soundtrack - Elliot Goldenthal, Kronos Quartet or Moby? That flick featured both strong action music and sharply emotional turns. Just some thoughts. Please, not Elfman though.

  • Like the above poster, I do get tired of the Danny Elfman fetish of the Talkbacks, but after the blandest of bland Micheal Kamen got X-men, I am more than happy to hear Elfman is a strong possibility for Spider-Man. I still think someone needs to throttle Brian Synger and shout "THIS ISN'T THE 80'S-EARLY 90'S, FOOL! YOU CAN DO BETTER!" But that's just a fanciful dream. Maybe all our griping will wake up something in Kamen and he'll do a good job, if he's capable of that when not scoring Die Hard movies. Anyway, good news to hear about Elfman. Of course now that I say that, watch him not take the job(or watch them not offer it to him).

  • March 21, 2000 7:06 AM CST

    elfman

    by JUNKY

    Well, good choice I guess, although I would like to say that the aphex twin would make a good job of it (he's rumoured to be scoring the 'Neuromancer' movie, so why not have some twisted, bizarre, drill n bass on 45 kinda madness on the Spiderman movie?). Ok, so it probably won't happen, but if not, how about :- simon boswell or howard shore?

  • March 21, 2000 9:21 AM CST

    Kamen makes me itch...

    by Better By Design

    but the Metallica S&M recordings rock! As someone who never bought a Metallica album till now, my question is... when the heck are they going to do a soundtrack? At the very least, I predict clips from S&M popping up as trailer music soon!

  • March 21, 2000 10:06 AM CST

    Poledouris Would be Perfect

    by aminofski

    Danny would be great, only if he gets a fresher sound going. As brilliant as he is, he has been doing pretty much the same tone and sound from score to score for the last four years. Poledouris always delivers a fresh quality to his scores, and boy would I love for him to get a chance at a full blown superhero action score. Spiderman would be just perfect. He did a brilliant job on For Love of the Game. That just might bring him the recognition he desrves. I say either Poledouris or James Newton Howard. Kamen is doing X-Men, and just you watch how brilliant that score will be...Plenty of dellicious music coming our way this year and next.

  • March 21, 2000 11:35 AM CST

    Elfman's a perfect choice

    by Poetamelie

    Danny Elfman's score for A SIMPLE PLAN was the best score of 1998 and was egregiously overlooked come awards time. He used nine flutes and a detuned piano to render a deeply disturbing score, one which evokes a world where things have gone seriously out of whack. I was so impressed with it that I bought the soundtrack. It alternately gives me the creeps, then makes me want to weep. It's superb composing.

  • March 21, 2000 11:45 AM CST

    Carter Burwell

    by SpoilerMan

    Hey, he would be a good choice indeed, Brooksie...and he has a Raimi conection through the Coen brothers (he's scored what---just about all of their films?). I like Elfman, too, if that's the choice they end up making. I have to disagree with the Poledouris idea...his type of Conan or Red Dawn bombast is all wrong for this picture...he's better suited for the Hulk or F.F. And please, NO HORNER! Every score of his sounds the same! Plus, Horner's more of a "Superman" kind of guy. Spidey is not a typical musclebound, square-jawed hero...he has quirks and flaws. Elfman or Burwell would seem better suited to musically illustrate those Parkeresque traits.

  • March 21, 2000 11:47 AM CST

    It's time for a change....

    by monkeylucifer

    I think that Spider-man needs a really fresh theme, that harkens back to the great super hero theme songs of the cartoons. I'd like to see someone like the Dust Brothers get on this project, just check out their score for Fight Club. Maybe even the Propellerheads, they did a version of "On Her Majesty's Secret Service" which will totally blow you away, and that type of funky groove I think could work pretty well in a Spider-man movie. Anyway, I'm just hoping for something on the cutting edge, rather just another damn Danny Elfman score. Sure he's good, but pretty damn repetitious. After awhile, it all starts to sound the same, and although he certainly has his own style, he doesn't have much versatility. Oh well, just my 0.02

  • March 21, 2000 12:49 PM CST

    No matter what, Spiderman is going to suck

    by Wee Willie

    Face it, comics rarely work onscreen. Who wants to see some jackass in a red jumpsuit swinging around in live action. Sam Raimi should run like hell. I'd rather pound sand up my ass for two hours than sit through another stupid superhero movie.

  • March 21, 2000 3:16 PM CST

    But I WANT it to be dated....

    by monkeylucifer

    My whole point was that it SHOULD be a camped up soundtrack!!! I only hope that Sam Raimi has his tongue thrust firmly in cheek while handling this film, because if he goes for the serious as all get out Tim Burton style, then it will suck like every Marvel adaptation before it (except for Blade, which was okay). I want some humor in this film, I want Spidey making wise-cracks, I want him being off-the wall (pun not intended), I want him to hurl insults at the villain....I want the funny!!!! Think of the high camp of Queen's work on Flash Gordon, and that's the type of thing I'm thinking of, fun, cool, _CAMPY_. I think that the Dust Brothers' work on Fight Club is a fine example of what the future holds for digital scores. Don't think of it as "techno," because too many people automatically associate it with dance music. Look at William/Wendy Carlos' work on A Clockwork Orange, if Kubrick had gone for a run of the mill composer, our used straight classical, the film would have lost some of it's edge. Those synthizers bring such a raw biting force to the scenes they under score, and that's the type of cool vibe that could injected into Spider-man. Now, I don't mean a bit of the old ultra-violence, I mean that thrill you get from wathcing a scene that has music that leaps out a yanks you into the scene and makes you think "this is fresh, this is new, this is cool!" To continually rely on traditional composers for films is to impeed the progress of the art of film scoring. Thank you, now I'll step down off this soap box...

  • March 21, 2000 3:25 PM CST

    Just remember Spidey's not Batman

    by Filmster

    I hope they're not planning on having Spidey do all his stuff at night. That would suck shit, IMO. It worked ok for Batman. But Spidey needs the daylight of New York City. Anyone remember when this is to be filmed?

  • March 21, 2000 3:51 PM CST

    techno?

    by BIC

    I agree with one of the above posters that music is quite often put into the "techno" group a little early. Aphex Twin is not techno, its ambient electronica. The big difference is that techno is for dancing and A.E. is for mellowing out to. Massive Attack is another band that would fit very well into several soundtracks. In fact, they were included in several soundtracks this past year, but they weren't on the sold copy, just in the movie itself... like in the Matrix. I believe that its Massive Attack that's playing at the beginning when Neo first wakes up at his computer. Over and Out.

  • March 21, 2000 5:34 PM CST

    Report Source

    by Elfmaniac

    Hi all - this "insider" has pretty much found all of what they reported on my website at: http://elfman.filmmusic.com It's all in an exclusive interview with Danny Elfman. Ryan

  • March 21, 2000 6:21 PM CST

    Why not Carter Burwell?

    by EL Duderino

    Okay, here's a small list of some of the movies he has composed for: Hudsucker Proxy, Big Lebowski,Three Kings, Being John Malkovich, Conspiracy Theory, The Spanish Prisoner, Miller's Crossing, Raising Arizona, and let's not forget the haunting theme from Fargo! Each one of these films has a distinct sound only unique to them. Every Danny Elfman song basically sounds sort of twisted and dramatic and gothic (even a Simple Plan sort of had this). No doubt, this guy is still very very good at his job, but I think that this guy should handle the music in Spiderman at least. Don't believe me, just watch Hudsucker Proxy whenever they are in the midst of creating the hula hoop. You'll agree, this guy definately can't screw up Spiderman at all!

  • March 21, 2000 7:15 PM CST

    Interesting, El Duderino...

    by Dave_F

    I don't know Carter Burwell by name, but I've seen about half the movies you cited and I do remember some very strong music in 'em, of all different types. I even own the soundtrack to the underappreciated "Hudsucker Proxy". Yeah, I'd back that guy as composer for Spider-Man. Good call.

  • March 21, 2000 8:34 PM CST

    Poetamelie is right about one thing...

    by Mr_Creamjeans

    Elfman's score for "A Simple Plan" was effective and very understated, which played well to the film. The instrumentation was modern, using microtonality to represent the theme of the movie. It is only because of this score that I think Elfman is worth anything. But do you really think he should be recommended on the merit of his "Simple Plan" score? I don't see Spidey webslinging to the unsetling micropolyphonous sound mass shifting that Penderecki and the other post WWII Polish sonorous composers used in the 60s. Good old Webhead bustin' bad guy's chops to dodecophonic serial tone rows, a la the New Vienesse School, or John Cage's aleatoric pieces? Nope. Hey, I know; we can blare some Stockhausen and Xenakis electronic pieces while Petey's spider sense is tingling. Ha! That would scare most of the audience out of the theatre. I don't want discordance. Spider-man isn't supposed to be "dark." Let's stick to diatonic classical orchestration, please. Poledorous or Burwell would do fine.

  • March 21, 2000 11:01 PM CST

    Oh boy, Brooksie wants to fight again.

    by Dave_F

    So I don't know Burwell by name? Who gives a shit. El Duderino listed enough of the films Burwell scored for me to realize I liked his stuff. That's right, Duderino *still* gets the "good call" vote from me, not you. Sorry. I realize my approval must be very important for you to have made an issue of it. ******** Question to ya, too, Brooksie - why are you so filled with venom that you feel the need to troll these boards and generally act like an ass? You like Spider-Man, you say - did you learn nothing of heroism from those great Lee/Ditko issues? It's puzzling to me, how someone can enjoy the concept of noble superheroes, then turn around to flame others and spew bile. Think superheroes are cool? Then act like it. Corny but true.

  • March 22, 2000 12:32 AM CST

    JOHN WILLIAMS MUST DO SPIDER-MAN !!!! HE MUST!! PLEASE GOD OH MI

    by Darth Siskel

    JOHN WILLIAMS FOR SPIDER-MAN PLEASE.JOHN WILLIAMS FOR SPIDER-MAN PLEASE.JOHN WILLIAMS FOR SPIDER-MAN PLEASE.JOHN WILLIAMS FOR SPIDER-MAN PLEASE.JOHN WILLIAMS FOR SPIDER-MAN PLEASE.JOHN WILLIAMS FOR SPIDER-MAN PLEASE.JOHN WILLIAMS FOR SPIDER-MAN PLEASE.JOHN WILLIAMS FOR SPIDER-MAN PLEASE.JOHN WILLIAMS FOR SPIDER-MAN PLEASE.JOHN WILLIAMS FOR SPIDER-MAN PLEASE.JOHN WILLIAMS FOR SPIDER-MAN PLEASE.

  • March 22, 2000 12:37 AM CST

    Jenna Elfman is in "The Gift" and "Spiderman!"

    by Toe Jam

    Ohhhhhh, he meant Danny Elfman. I knew that.

  • March 22, 2000 12:51 AM CST

    John Williams - has he lost it?

    by Dave_F

    I'm afraid he probably has. The last score of his that I enjoyed, I mean really enjoyed, was 'JFK'. Just the right mix of sweeping patriotic themes and staccato paranoia. Now his score to 'Superman' is indeed the Holy Grail of all superhero scores (and my personal favorite Williams score, period), but evidence suggests he can't pull it off again. His work on 'Phantom Menace' and 'Saving Private Ryan' was largely forgettable, providing nothing memorable save for the oft-cited "Duel of the Fates" piece. Still, in his heyday, Williams *was* the One True God of Action Film Scores. I *want* for him to recover from his slump. If he expressed any interest in doing Spider-Man, I'd be willing to gamble on him.

  • March 22, 2000 7:05 AM CST

    a.e / BIC

    by JUNKY

    Aphex Twin is not just about mellowing out on a shag pile carpet with a lava lamp on in the background - how the heck do you mellow out to tracks like 'Didgeridoo'??? This track was made to piss hippies off, not give them music to noodle to. Ok, so maybe this wasn't the most sensible of choices, but I agree with the guy (I presume guy - please correct me if wrong) the soundtrack has got to be funky/camp(ish)rather than rawk (puhlease, no metallica, if you need to use guitars how about Ministry/RevCo?. I would rather see Peter Parker wear a Britney Spears t-shirt than a poodle perm rock band one any day). Unless of course its Anthrax.

  • Awesome music that wasn't in the movie, dangit! And it's not on the score CD either. Oh, and in defense of John Williams's Star Wars E1 score to the poster above me, Anakin's Theme, the Trade Federation Theme, and the Flag Parade were all excellent parts of that score. The CD badly organizes it, but don't dismiss it just because of that. And if you didn't like the parts I've mentioned...well yours is not the final word on the score I guess.

  • March 22, 2000 7:36 AM CST

    The Gift has already been released...

    by 0007

    The Gift is a film already put out years ago by the band Jane's Addiction. I hate it when titles are recycled, it just confuses people. How many people will want to go see it if they think they already have and did not care much for it?

  • March 22, 2000 7:51 AM CST

    Matrix Trailer

    by aminofski

    It took me forever to find out, and finally it blasted on my CD player out of nowhere. It's Enigma Volume 2, track 2. An excellent cd. That's the big choir music in the Matix trailer as the walk sideways up the wall.

  • March 22, 2000 12:44 PM CST

    0007 please read

    by Elgyn6655321

    I remember reading about the Perry Ferrel movie "Gift". It actually got decent reviews, but I`ve never seen it available anywhere. Is there any way to get ahold of that film? BTW - I love Elfman, but I must admit his "Sleepy Hollow" score sounded recycled from his older stuff. And yes, Carter Burwell is very cool - "Raising Arizona" and "Hudsucker Proxy" are my favs by him. As for Kamen and "X-Men", he did a great score for Terry Gilliam`s "Brazil", so that`s something.

  • March 22, 2000 3:23 PM CST

    "Tear me a new asshole?"

    by Dave_F

    *laughter* What a big Talkback 'Tuff Guy you are, Brooksie. Some people like me come here to engage in a little friendly film debate. Yes, believe it or not, film debate can actually be friendly. You sound pretty filled with pent-up frustration though, so I guess in your cold, dark world, that point of view is naive. Maybe you're working a dead-end job or your girlfriend dumped you. Whatever made you so bitter, you have my pity. Flame away if you will, but I'll just ignore that yapping little dog at my feet.

  • March 22, 2000 5:34 PM CST

    Darn

    by Quint

    What? No Tangerine Dream? Rats!

  • March 22, 2000 10:04 PM CST

    Spiderman Spiderman. Does whatever....

    by Wheel99

    I dont care where in the movie it is but they HAVE to include the Ralph Bashki theme. Jazz it up, thumping base. John Zorn did a version of 007 theme that fucking rocks. Its on the album Naked City!!!! Listen to that and picture the reworking he would give to the Spiderman theme!!!!!

  • March 23, 2000 7:43 PM CST

    Spidey score

    by Evil Ash

    Joseph Lo Duca is the man! 'Nuff said!

  • March 23, 2000 9:59 PM CST

    0007

    by Playhouse

    I know SO many people who are gonna confuse Raimi's "The Gift" with the Farrell film.

  • March 24, 2000 1:59 AM CST

    Jerry Goldsmith is the best choice for SPIDERMAN

    by kev_berg

    I don't think there is a better composer working in films today. The man is 70 years old and he is still writing incredible scores. Have you heard the score to "The 13th Warrior." Goldsmith is perfect in this genre. He has the ability to create wonderfully heroric themes, which would be needed for "Spiderman". Countless examples of Goldsmith's talent in this area are the themes to "Patton," "Star Trek: The Motion Picture," "Air Force One," and "The 13th Warrior." He also is great at summer movie action music. Just listen to the score to "The Mummy," he made a bland, obsessed with ILM effects film EXCITING. I Trust me, "Spiderman" plus Goldsmith will equal CLASSIC.

  • March 24, 2000 3:54 AM CST

    Jerry Goldsmith is 70?!

    by Dave_F

    Damn, I'm even more impressed with him now. Not sure if he'd be right for Spider-Man - he might not be...quirky enough? - but he's done some outrageously good scores. As disappointing as '13th Warrior' was (cool book though), the score was fairly notable, and is on my "to buy" list. What else...his work on 'Poltergeist' still creeps the hell out of me, and dare I say it, 'First Blood' even has some very strong themes. 'Alien', 'Secret of NIMH' - yeah, pretty versatile old codger, that Goldsmith. Say, does 'Lord of the Rings' have a composer yet? I can see Goldsmith pinning that one down, though I wouldn't want him doing a Poledouris riff as he did in 'Total Recall'.