So, When An Adaptation Of ENDER'S GAME Doesn't Work Out, You Get Stuck On A ROCK 'EM SOCK 'EM ROBOTS Movie!?

both for the premise...and the 1st

I win.

Jesus, Real Steel actually seems like a clever idea now.

I mean really? I thought Rock'em Sock'em Robots was a funny joke to Real Steel, but now they actually want to make a rock'em sock'em robots movie?? This borders on self-parody Hollywood!

Because, you know, it's intelligent.

This is either A) Posturing, as in a threat of "let's get Ender's Game done, or we're making a total piece of crap" or B) They have totally gone mad.

Oh wait, they're making a movie based on Monopoly, have made a(n admittedly successful) series of movies based on a Pirates of the Caribbean theme park ride, have apparently considered (maybe even greenlit) a Magic 8-Ball Movie, and Pac-Man: The Movie.

Not really surprised, but really disappointed that something good might not get made because the studios could actually push through ROCK'EM SOCK'EM ROBOTS? Screw Hollywood. I seriously go to the library or Amazon and check out books instead of going to the theatres when they do this crap. Watching this seems like it would make my IQ drop considerably.

-Cheers

because the studios want to recast Ender and the kids as 16 year olds to be played by 27 year olds. They don't seem to understand that one of the points of the movie is that these were kids. Ender was 6 when he went to Battle School, and only 9 or 10 I think when he went to Command school.

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The man's a religious nutbag who routinely spouts homophobic hogwash in the name of Jesus, floating Indians and talking salamanders. An "Ender's Game" movie would only ensure a revenue stream of tithing to the bigots that struck down Prop 8. Fuck him. Fuck him hard.

I hear Paramount is gearing up for "Big Wheel: The Movie." Not to be outdone, Universal is fast-tracking "Green Machine: The Movie." Fox, on the other hand, decided to go with "Sit-n-Spin: The Movie."

I'd rather watch a Rock 'em Sock 'em Robots movie a million times than give that bastard a penny.

But I watch Polanski movies, so I'd be down to watch a (GOOD) Ender's Game movie, no matter what sort of reprehensible views the author supports.

Really, this does seem to be the problem: Hollywood has gotten to a place where they can make money from just about anything they want to do now.

Vacuous renditions of 80s pop-culture novelties? Profit. Movies based on board games? Profit. Tired mash-up sequels to iconic films of yore? Profit.

There must be some formula that between box office, overseas box office, DVD, and cable, they can work out a profit on anything they like. And in light of that, why try? Why not just take the easiest, flimsiest, stupidest route?

The ONLY WAY WE CAN STOP IT is to simply stop buying the stuff. And not just us, but our friends. I should've tried harder to convince my friend to not see Jonah Hex. We all need to try and steer our loved ones away from funding this crap train in any way.

It'll take a while - companies will need to stop seeing profits all the way to the end of the distribution chain, which means DVD sales & rentals, PPV sales, and viewership on cable - but with soem sustained work, it's possible.

Just like Jonah Hill in Get Him To The Greek. Over and Over and Over Again. NNO!

I am a huge Ender fan, having bought ever single one of the books ( including the incessantly boring Ender in Exile )

But I think there'll never be an Ender's game Movie made for one reason: Card will not give up the notion that the characters are so young. People reading the books can accept it, but a movie going audience won't be able to. I guarantee this is one of the central arguments made during preproduction of the film.

I can't see any way they could get a storyline out of this, but they should be 50 feet tall and actually controlled by two little kids with joysticks. They should also be anatomically correct so one robot could hand the other his ass or use his robot manhood as a weapon.

Ender's Game is a goddamn good book. But I think they should forgo making a movie and make a video game of it. And I don't even like video games. But the way the story moves along, it would be a friggin excellent video game.

There is only one way to do this movie. Hollywood won't work with a bunch kid actors that young, nor allow the plot with kid actors that young.

The only way to make the movie is for Zemekis to do his mo-cap CGI with older kids, but then animate them as age appropriate. Especially when you consider you need to do Battle School sequences, space battles, Buggers and the Fantasy Game, mo-cap CGI is the *ONLY* way to do the movie. And after Avatar made bank, maybe one of these years they'll realize that.

He does have some reprehensible personal views - and I say that because they're discriminatory and narrow, not because they're different from mine.

But he's also written some astounding stories with some great, forward-thinking lessons (Ender's Game and some sequels), and made some terrific, insightful, sensitive observations about children along the way.

So what is the geek with a social conscience to do? Support his past quality work, which also then supports some more recent hateful personal ideas? Or withhold support for someone we don't personally like, which also denies support to his sometimes-brilliant back catalog?

I'm just sad that Card has turned out to be a Glenn Beck-style right-wing hack (see the Empire books), too smitten with politics and hatred of liberalism to stick with his more universal - and substantive - themes from his earlier work.

The End. Big fuck. It got canned because it's a fucking forgettable episode of the new outer limits. I'd rather they make that nutbag's other books like the one where the spaceship crashes and everyone who was in hypersleep's memory is destroyed except one guy. He gets to raise these adult babies that are all shitting themselves and create a new world of people in his image.

The weird thing is that Ender's Game, and the 3 books that followed it (fuck the Shadow series) are great stories of tolerance and acceptance. They teach us not to rush to judgement. But now Card is writing essays that gays should be thrown in jail and what consenting adults do behind closed doors needs to be criminalized. Personally, I seperate the art from the artist.

REAL STEEL and a ROCK EM SOCK EM ROBOTS movie? Jesus Christ...

...that came up with this one?

and still keep the same story. Part of the books is the idea that the IF had to use children as their commanders because they would be able to act brilliantly when facing the buggers in battle, but weren't experienced or old enough to realize that they were sending their troops to their deaths. If you move their ages up 10 years then you lose that part of the story and they will just come across as stupid teenagers.

was a Wolfgang Petersen masterpiece and a pure joy to me when i was a youngster. It still holds a special place in my heart. None of the sequels even came close to capturing the magic of the original.

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You're exactly right. The level of not just tolerance, but genuine understanding, demonstrated in those early books is magnificent. I don't understand how that connects to his current philosophies, but those are great works.

If you haven't heard the audio-book versions of those early books, they're very much worth checking out. Most have multiple readers, and Stephan Rudnicki's reading is especially excellent.

Let's all hate Orson Scott Card, but not say why! Good times!

Ender's game was one of the worst books I've ever read. It took a lot of effort just to finish it. The book was completely unbelievable in its own world. Like, there are no competent adults anywhere in the galaxy? I hope that they do not make this into a movie because if they followed the source material, the movie would be shit just like the book.

Funny, I was just thinking to myself the other day I bet he winds up directing it after all.

I've been reading The Tale of Genji but I think it now wins the prize for the longest it has ever taken me to get through a book because I'm finding it so dry. If Ender's Game is hard to get through, that's good to know.

...he advocates criminalizing people based on their personal sexual preference. Doesn't matter how many great books someone has written, if a person thinks they have the right to tell two consenting adults that their love is an abomination and they should actually be imprisoned for expressing it, that person is an absolute scumbag and should be called out for it.

Card is good at building suspense and then completely ruining what he built up. I would definitely not recommend Ender's Game, but I'm sure there are plenty here who disagree with me.

Competent adults are unbelievably scarce in our own world, so I don't have much trouble believing that's tha case in fiction. :)

I might actually see that though

I thought the sixth sense kid would have made a good Ender, but he's too old now. But even if you find one decent child actor, you can never find enough. Maybe they can use CGI to make ordinary kids capable of adult reactions.

Oh and cyberskunk, it's pretty easy to get through. Some of the later novels suck and got lost in Card's personal views, but the first two (or three) are quite compelling.

How're the Dune sequels and the books after the original Foundation trilogy?

And that's not hyperbole. Every time I read, or get reminded, that nobody can get this damn thing made it just makes me a little sad.

Followed a few years later for a 184 minute version with better character development between the robots. Sweet!

I agree that the director's cut of Troy is better, but it's still not a very good film, really. Both versions are definitely slow to the point of plodding. And I don't have a problem with long films. Actually, I prefer them, IF they can hold my interest. Haven't seen the mini-series size version of Das Boot. It's the subtitle thing.

...really stupid shit. But so do a lot of "regular" people. The difference is that the "famous" ones actually have an audience paying attention to the crazy shit they say.

Hmm you may have a point there, but I still think Ender's game is a 2/5 star read at best.

blah blah rabble rabble blah . . .

and then the sequels were this lame ass hippy bullshit. Damn dirty hippies (in Cartman voice)

It's amazing stuff.

The movie.

I had something like this as a kid but it was called "Clash of the Cosmic Robots."

...available for purchase. I'd add it to my NetFlix queue if it was available. All they have is the "Director's Cut", with is still 90 minutes less than the "Original Uncut".

Dang it

I'll disagree with you. I liked Ender's Game a lot reading it back in high school or something and re-reading it found it to hold up pretty well. I thought it was fun, had great themes, and sorta explained using kids by targeting bonafide geniuses and conditioning them in ways you could not with already-formed adults. Arguably that rationale might not quite work in the real world, but you could also argue his age and isolation kept him from questioning things the way an adult would.

I think cyberskunk should give it a read and make up his own mind, if for no other reason than GB_I seems to be in the minority. That said, he also has some points. Even on a genius level, would the military REALLY let kids, very young little children, mastermind a plan when the stake of the whole world was at stake? Not bloody likely. And Card's personal views; I wasn't aware he'd gone off the deep end, but I still like Ender's Game (and the two or three books that came after that I've read). The end was, to me, kind of unexpected and spoke of an interesting view of doing things at any cost and the weight put on these genius militant children. Hey, considering the alternatives (e.g. Rock 'Em Sock 'Em Robot? Bastardized Jonah Hex?) we could do worse. As it stands, much, MUCH worse.

-Cheers

Don't work thet way.

I have to agree with you and say I would much rather see an Ender's Game movie be released than a Rock 'Em Sock 'Em movie, though I can't say that I would pay to see either of them.

I can respect people's positive opinions about Ender's Game. I will concede to the point that if anyone is interested in the book, that they should experience it for themselves and formulate their own opinion.

I'd rather see The Hobbit from him over some Lovely Bones bullshit.

Orson Scott Card is actually L. Ron Hubbard's thetan. See? Now you know. Just let that little gem sink in for a minute. Haven't quite figured out where Tom Cruise fits in, but rest assured there _is_ a connection.

In fact scarcely remember any differences at all. The main thing that actually kinda pissed me off was that he warmed up the picture so everything is orange and the sky is gray!

promotes genocide, the extermination of gays, etc. He just can't imagine a man being fulfilled in a homosexual relationship, since they can't make babies and think it's against human nature. Big whoop. I'm an atheist who absolutely supports gay rights, but I think foaming posts like these are giving us a bad name. If you foam in your mouth like that if someone disagrees with you, you seem like a fundamentalist nutbag, wishing to punish everybody who disagrees with you! "Don't give him any money, make his career fail, blarg!" That could easily be on a Christian blog about Dawkins or someone. I know your gut answer to that is "yeah, but I'm right and he's wrong", but that's the problem right there. Hate Card for encouraging the goddamn Twighlight books, not for being a little too much into the old school family unit. Actually his obsession produces more unique sci-fi, since his characters tend to have giant, extended families with realistic, well rounded members, but you know, in space and alternate histories and shit. When most sci-fi writers tend to stick to one lonely guy with a small, sketched up family, it's pretty refreshing.

The beliefs of some artist's while disappointing, generates unique art. Wagner comes to mind as well.

had to correct that, sorry.

I'm not calling Card a jackass because he "just can't imagine a man being fulfilled in a homosexual relationship, since they can't make babies and think (sic) it's against human nature," I'm calling him a jackass because he advocates putting anyone living an openly gay lifestyle in prison. There's a big difference.

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...so long as they aren't shared by every single character. It's just a little unnatural to hear these mega-genius kids keep bringing up God. I know there are brilliant people of faith out there, but generally speaking, the smarter you are, the less likely you are to be a believer. Percentage wise, most of these kids wouldn't waste their time thinking much about it (especially in a world where belief is discouraged, unlike our own).

More irritating however (especially in the later books) are these childrens' views on politics and humanity in general. Card should have kept their genius vague because he's not smart enough to write convincingly brilliant characters. Frank Herbert did a much better job of this. Most of Card's "on-Earth" material was hard to get through.

Troy fucking ruled

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Das Boot is, by far, the best submarine movie ever done. It's a pity Peterson's career didn't live up to his amazing start.

I fucking hate the music in the flick. But they took Danny elfmans theme from planet of apes and played it over the Hector/Achiles fight. It's still not a very good flick but it has more action and gore plus you see Bridget Von hammermarks tittehs. But the music is just so horrible in Troy I don't know how James horner keeps getting work since he just recycles his music over and over. John Williams where have you gone?

I'd hate to see Ender's Game done as a live-action movie. This is probably the perfect opportunity for. Someone to make a grown-up American animated film. Hear me out: your main characters are all children, most under the age of 11. Find a. youNg child actor who could accurately portray Ender, from age 6 to 11, with every emotional moment he needs to go through. Now find 100 more to play the rest of the kids. For the Battle Room scenes to rally work, the audience should have the same kind of disorientation as the students, and short of all-CGI or extended scenes in The Vomit Comet, which isn't even close to big enough, animation is the best way to do this.

Just a thought...

Yeah, I just googled that quote. That's messed up. Yet, he still has many sympathetic homosexual characters in his books. Most of them are just portrayed as unhappy in a heterosexual society. At least he doesn't explain it with God's anger, but with the "strength of the community". He is still a jackass. But I think we're strong enough to bear one of those, till he writes some good, unique SF from his unique, jackass perspective. The Alvin Maker books wouldn't work if he wasn't a crazy mormon.

who wants to see a WHOLE MOVIE about them?!?

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Hollywood is slowly trying to destroy itself and this summer besides Inception is a good example of this.

Ender's game is an easy read... The language is straight forward with only a little techobabble thrown in ( and to his credit, 99% of the fantasy tech he has has a purpose and is referenced throughout the series, so it's not just throw away )

The thing is, it's a book with a twist, and if you think about it too hard, you'll figure it out fast.

I actually figured it out within the first few chapters, just because we've all been raised on Star Trek plot devices for awhile now. Still, I liked the book ,and the whole series quite alot.

He does have a habit of taking characters you like and making unnecessary shit happen to them that just seems like sloppy writing to me... some people might like that I dunno.

I would agree with that, but I never got that view at all in the series. Sure there's outrage, ( in that context I mean expressed in the book... not by the characters) but I never read that to be because they are young and have had their "innocence" stolen... manipulated even. I mean you can't miss that part, but to me the big moment was the other revelation ( trying to keep spoiler free )

Actually I think your take on it is brilliant.

But now I'm hemming and hawing... on how that fist with the perception of the rest of the series... Ender and family are legitimate world leaders if not spiritual leaders when they are still in their teens ( I'll try to keep this spoiler free for the sake of others )
Certainly no one in the military got the blame. Seems to me Card is asking us to take this at face value.

I prefer your take.

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...is that it's such a good book that in it Card invents blogging [check the copyright date on it, and realize that when he was writing it about 5 people were on Darpanet] and no one notices it or remembers because the rest of the book is so good that it fades into the background. The guy has two political bloggers fight for the hegemony of the world... and he wrote it in 1984. And no one even notes this in passing, because the Battle School stuff is so memorable and amazing that you overlook the rest of the book. The guy is creative, and it's not his fault he was raised in a religion for lunatics.

At that point, the games are still just games.

As soon as I understood what the buggers were and they were playing the training games I realized the ending.. not exactly of course, but close enough that if I said it out loud in a line in a theater people would throw things at me. Like I said, I'm a huge fan of the series. oh well, I don't think we'll ever see this get made.

Done right, I think you could even have made it a good TV miniseries. a la BSG

We don't need Ender's Game. We need this. A Movie combo so disasterous, with an idea so innane (and done with the upcoming Hugh Jackman pic) that is has to be schlocky awesome!

Are correct. You guys are just a bunch of cocksuckers.

When I was in Jr. High and everyone had this book in their locker, I remember friends of mine describing the plot to me like "this kid is playing Space Invaders and it turns out he's blowing up a whole alien fleet for real!" I saw it as a book written for video game freaks - which I was one. I never got around to reading it, but I imagine it allowed people who were waiting around for games like Halo and Starcraft to see what they would be like.