Capone's Review Of SICKO!

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I got nothin.....lifelong dream has come true.....sad state of affairs....

Roger and Me was good....and thats about it!

This is a movie about how we as a nation treat our fellow citizens. You are simply not human if you can not feel for these people presented in the film. It is a devastating look at America and I can say at the moment I am quite ashamed of her.

...to take Indy's mantle and open a new series of "young Indy" films. I don't normally curse, but... Jesus Christ. Fucking scumbag. George Lucas, save us... become a martyr if need be, sacrifice yourself to save the world from Spielberg's sick ideas. Just as you did in that South Park episode.

Moore is a daring filmaker and a master of his art. Any who disagree with him need to get some talent, find the truth, and make their own movie about it.

I've not seen SICKO, and I'm not 100% sure if I'm going to. However, I pretty sure his representation of Canadian health care will be brighter and contain more praise than is perhaps deserved. The pros and cons of free, public health care and private, paid-for health care are equal in length. For every refusal of an American Insuarnce company to cover a medical procedure, there's a Canadian who waits for six months to a year for the same procedure--and neither American or Canadian end up getting the help they need. If it's any indication, I've heard multiple stories of Canadians crossing the border south, money in hand, ready to pay the big dollars to get the medical attention they need ASAP, instead of waiting around in Canada. Ranting aside, just be forewarned: I expect significant bias on Moore's part, favoring examples of health care like our Canadian Health Care system, making them out to be much better than they actually are.

MSNBC has it on their website. He succumbed to colon cancer.

... in that yes, for things that are elective procedures (knee replacements and the like), there could be a wait, especially if you don't have private health insurance. Like it was said above, yes, if you have the means to pay for something, you'll get it sooner but I took the message from the movie that where health care is concerned, it should never be the only or overriding concern.

In this film too?

Any one can complain and bitch about something, how about offering some solution that don't include raising everyone's taxes 50%. And any discussion on this subject that doesn't include the cost of illegals on the system and out of control law suites isn't being honest about it. Does sound like he touches those subjects with a 10 foot pole.

The only thing that bothers me about Michael Moore movies is that everyone takes them as truth. However, it has been proven over and over again with his movies that he has sweetened his facts and muddled the truth in his previous movies to make his point better. I think the world needs a Michael Moore, and I think it is good for people to look at our current situation. However, I hope that people research the subject a little and do not take everything that Michael Moore says as truth. Take it with a grain of salt.

Be considerate to others or I will bite your torso and give you a disease.

That's exactly right! People who think Michael Moore is more than just a biased bastard with a camera really haven't done their homework. Could the American health care system be a lot better than it is? You bet. But to say the answer is socialized medicine is the answer without any considered reflection on the costs and consequences, is really the same as lying. There's a reason that the folks with money in the world fly to America to have their major illness treated instead of going to Cuba!

I'd take him more serious if he wasn't so blatant in his political bias. Hell, I might even be able to look past his political bias except for the fact that he's also been caught in many bald faced lies in his previous films. In short, you can't trust teh Moore. There may be a problem with the American Health Care System, but it won't be Moore that teaches me about it. It will be someone that actually has credibility.

I thought sicko was great. However, as Capone suggests he does paint an overly rosie picture of the English NHS. How many Brits here have ever been to an NHS building as empty as the one in the film? Not me thats for sure. Also, the DR in the £550,000 house, his wife must be a big earner too or they wouldn't get accepted for the mortgage. £550,000 is also not THAT much to pay in the Londond housing market (or the rest of England for that matter). Don't get me wrong, there is no way in this world I will ever be able to afford one, but houses are extortionate here. AND the guy giving money out in the hospital for traveling??? WTF is that about? Must be paid for by some local New Deal Scheme or something, you certainly cannot do that here. They charge you £5 an hour to park your car at our hospital. Makes me wonder what else he exhagerated. Another thing, I know a lot of people will disagree but.....the fool who puts his shoulder out walking on his hands....SHOULD NOT have been treated for fuckin free. The twat doesn't pay national insurance, why can;t travel insurance fork out for things like that? The NHS is in a bad way, there are many many reasons for that, but Health Tourism is a HUGE one. I know this guy didn't do it on purpose but a lot of people come to this country for free treatment! Rant over.

From "The Star", a fairly liberal paper in Canada: "Sicko is also completely lacking in journalistic rigour, presenting only the negatives of for-profit U.S. health care and only the positives of the government-run Canadian, British, French and Cuban Medicare programs. As always, Moore makes unsupported assertions and uses out-of-context edits. The film is not a documentary, if that term is to mean anything more than unvarnished propaganda." I think our healthcare system in the U.S. could be improved in major ways, but it doesn't need to be completely abandoned. And, of course, Moore has zero credibility anymore anyway. He'll preach to the choir again, and again it will do absolutely zero good. He'll make his money, but he'll never have the power to change anything, just like he couldn't change the outcome of the last U.S. presidential election, even though he tried his hardest. He's finished.

I have a co-worker whose 11 year old son has lymphona and has been sick his entire life. he gets nothing but top-notch medical treatment in the us. no waiting, no exhorbitant taxes, just his father working a decent job. I know not everyone can get those jobs, but there is free health care in this country too. no hospital can turn away a sick person. just be informed about what your insurance will and will not cover, and you will not be caught off guard.

About the DR above. He says he earns 85k yea? The guy will be left with about £50 - 55k after tax and national insurance. Supposing he had a 10% deposit for that house, he would pay about 38k a year mortgage. So either Mr Moore is full of shit or this Dr is worse off than your average call centre worker after paying his bills. Or his Mrs has a shit hot job. Or he was left a fortune in someones will. Which ever way, he is not a typical example of an NHS Dr.

It made me very angry, and made me wish that I had moved to the U.K. may years ago when I got out of high school. The way I look at it, even if the health care in the socialized health care countries is slower or subpar (and all indications is that it isn't) I still think slow health care is better than no health care, and my insurance from work SUCKS. I have to see their doctors, I have to basically get permission to be sick or hurt, and they won't cover things if they can find a loophole-- Believe me, they try.

You know what really sucks is that Americans make fun of the Brits all the time for having bad teeth, but in the U.K., every citizen has access to free dental care, while in the United States, many insurance companies (especially ones through employers) have dropped dental care and leave paying hefty dental bills up to us. I have a busted tooth that needs a root canal, cap and crown, but I can't get it taken care of because I don't have several thousand dollars to drop on a procedure like that. I'm lucky if I can afford my new glasses every year as my eyesight deteriorates. Of course, if my medical care covered optical, I could have a fairly simply outpatient surgery and restore my vision so I wouldn't need glasses at all, but that's considered "non-essential" like dental care.

But they WILL give me a 15% off coupon for frames. Yay.

Brits to not have Free Dental Care, the NHS does not cover it for people over 16 and under 65. Unless your pregnant or have a baby under 1, or are unemployed. We pay for it, through the nose. And that's IF you can get into a dentist.

Single payer is the way to go. Everyones taxes go up 5%, everyone saves 200 bucks a month on insurance premiums, everyone has health insurance. Fuck all the haters!

In the past, I haven't seen eye to eye with Michael Moore, but I must say, I can't wait to see this movie! The U.S healthcare system is corrupt, inefficent, and morally wrong. I hope this movie brings healthcare to the forefront of the next elections!

Also, the single pay system the Canadians have is the best way to go. It is the most fair and efficent system out there. Private insurance system sucks!

....equals less hate. However, since it's his film, people will hate it just for that reason alone. Too bad.

It looks the bollocks.

Are they going to roll it out? Or are they making us go out of our way to help the oil companies?

Is the country going to wake up? Will we hear the call? I am afraid this country will put its head in the sand...I so, so hope I am wrong. This country needs to change in a big way.

Whether a fact or not (and it seems that there are folks who will speak out on either side of that one) are largely irrelevant for comparison, when you consider that US folks who are either uninsured or who cannot use their insurance (because of expensive deductibles, lack of pre-approval, denials of service due to pre-existing condition, etc.) essentially have *infinite* wait times...

I will keep this short. What this movie fails to show is that companies purchase coverage for their employees from my company. Companies can pick and choose the level of coverage they want to provide to their employees. My company has several hundred different plans with different levels of coverage. If a company selects a plan that does not cover transplant surgery, is that the fault of the insurance company or the company the employee works for? Believe me, if your company purchased a plan that does cover transplant surgery, my company has no choice but to cover the surgery at the contracted rate. If we do not, we can be sued by the insured and the insured's company. Before you go blaming heath insurance companies, ask your employer how important your health is and what level of coverage they plan to purchase during your next open enrollemnt period.

From now on, anyone who makes with that stupid "people shouldn't fear their government, the government should fear its people" loses all credibility with me. When I was in high school and my pothead poli sci teacher said stupid shit like that I thought it was cool. Now, not so much. Exactly why should either side fear the other? That minor gripe aside, I'm not a big Moore fan but will catch the flick next week. I don't trust the man at all, but I like that he does his own thing and his borderline commie rants are usually entertaining. That is all.

RIP Joel Siegel.

You said "Single payer is the way to go. Everyones taxes go up 5%, everyone saves 200 bucks a month on insurance premiums, everyone has health insurance. Fuck all the haters!" Lets do the math. I make 86,000 a year. My taxes would go up 5% and that equals 4,300 additional taxes a year to cover my "free" health care. I currently pay 150 dollars every 2 weeks for my health insurance. Thats 3,900 a year. According to your well thought out plan, I would be paying 4,300 instead of my current 3,900. Thats 400 dollars more per year. Why should I pay 400 dollars more than I do now for the same level of coverage that I currently enjoy? Let me guess, the 400 extra dollars would go toward the 45 million who pay little to no taxes and don't have health insurance. Why make me pay more to supplement those who have chosen to not have the skills or education to provide themselves with a decent job and health insurance?

over at MTV. Much more balanced and educated. It amazes me how quickly some of you drink the kool-aid, especially the stuff that Moore is serving. As Loder points out, France's Sarkozy was recently elected on a platform of reforming the system which is billion dollars in debt. Loder also draws attention to the fact that when Castro became sick last year "he didn't put himself in the hands of a Cuban surgeon. No. Instead, he had a specialist flown in — from Spain." Seriously well researched and well written article. Love Shorty

I do not understand all the talk about wait times and high taxes in Canada. I live in Alberta and I have used the Canadian health care system many times in my 38 years and I have never had to wait for anything, except maybe a couple of hours in emerge. My daughter was born May 8th by c-section and we had to wait 1 hour to be admitted to a private room. My wife was in the hospital for 3 days total and we always had 2 nurses in our room during the whole birth process. When it was determined a c-section was needed we waited 3 hours to get into the O.R. If it was an emergency c-section we would have gone to the O.R. immediately. All of this cost me nothing. There are wait times for elective surgeries, but as far as I am concerned a triage system is a lot more fair than a system based on ability to pay. Granted that Alberta has the lowest taxes in Canada, but I have a six figure pay cheque and I loose one third to taxes, total, and I get a third of that back refunded for my retirement contributions for a grand total of 2/9ths taxes. And I pay 6% sales tax. Americans pay almost twice as much as Canadians for health care as a percentage of GDP, morbidity rates for all the various diseases are almost identical between Canada and America, America's infant mortality rate is 50% higher than Canada's, and Canadians live, on average, 3 years longer than Americans.

Oops. I guess it's the French and Cubans who have it for free. Oh well. Either way, my insurance sucks.

...If you think about what could happen. If you have seen SiCKO you'll see that even if you have Insurance you can some times not get the medical attention you may need. Some drugs/treatments are deemed 'experimental' so the insurance companies don't always cover it. I mean tomorro, you could drop dead and leave your wife and kids and the same day your kid gets cancer and what happens then? Your family sits and waits until your Life Insurance kicks in to start treatment on your kid? This is just an example, but I think all see my point. I've watched this film 3 times now and I was hoping it would be Bias, but it isn't. Moore's depiction of Hillary Clinton starts out heavy handed -and intentionally so- but then shows that even she, has a price. Like we didn't know that anyway. Why not have "Socialized" medicine? As Moore points out we already have a lot of socialized programs -the PD, FD, Library, USPS. If American's want to say we live in the greatest country in the world then why shouldn't we have the greatest health care in the world that is free to every American? I mean it's sad to think we have the worst infant mortality rate in the Civilized world. It's time to start fixing America, and not shunning new ideas and ones that work in other countries. And RIP Mr. Siegel -I remember always watching him when I was a kid before I had to go to school in the morning.

It's a Michael Moore movie, so of course there is some heavy-handed manipulation, but overall, this isn't a political movie. And yes, I know the image of Cuba was probably heavily distorted, but what Moore couldn't possibly fake was the emotions of a few of those 9/11 relief workers when they were finally getting medical treatment in Havana. When that woman is crying and thanking the Cuban doctor, it really does make you wonder why the hell she can't get such simple medical attention in the U.S. So yes, the Michael Moore haters have some stuff to bitch about, but this film, more than any of his others (except maybe 'Roger & Me') made some really good points that could easily bring together people of all political affiliations.

We have the power- or we are supposed to. We Elect the bastards in Washington, so we should hold all the power. What we say should go. They should fear us not the other way around. Maybe you should go back and talk to that pot head teacher of yours again, he was right. I don't know when American's started to fear the Govt, but damn it has to change.

You should quit your job, health insurance companies are the scum of the Earth. To me working for them is like working in the tobacco industry or the gun industry. You're helping an institution that is fundamentally unethical in it's treatment of it's "customers." I can't tell you how many times my insurance tried to fuck me over by pretending claims didn't come in or denying others for random reasons. They even refused to pay for one expensive medical test because they claimed I didn't have prior approval. I did and I had to get a lawyer to show them that I did for those rotten no good sons of bitches to pay for it. FUCK HEALTH INSURANCE COMPANIES!

And fuck everybody else!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SxISyn9Qb5Y

We don't need Moore to tell us the heath care system is screwed. If anyone remembers Clinton tried to establish national health in his first 100days, it failed because all the republican members of congress opposed it, he put Hillary in charge of it(an unelected public official).Hillary kept the details of the plan secret so no one knew what they were doing, and when it did come out is was a 1300pg complicated mess.The public feared a lack of choice of doctors and quality of care, and don't forget the shadow of socialism. The end result the plan died in congress. There has to be another way to do this.

I cried, I was stunned, I was sold! France and UK look like heaven, all my troubles over, all my worries about getting old and dying homeless and in pain. But socialism goes against everything I believe in. Working for everyone but me is immoral and demeaning. I think the real problem isn't that we don't have socialism, but that our government is, just as immorally, run on favors and blackmail and we're served not by the best of men, but by criminals and the mediocre. Throw the bums out and shut down the corportations are the answers, not more badly run government.

I too am no fan of Socialism -I am against Welfare. However, I do know that some people really need it -and there is a great number that abuse it and that is wrong. I do not see a problem with us joining together and help each other out with Universal Health Care. The biggest issue isn't the Health care system, it is the ramped capitolism we are seeing in today with both the HMO's and the Drug companies and Hospitals. If you get an Aspirin at a hospital get ready to pay 500% more than you would for one pill out of bottle. Yes, drug companies spend millions on drug research but then they turn around and make Billions off of the people they claim to help. If you have seen SiCKO there is a scene in it where one 9/11 worker normally pays $120 dollars for a medicine she needs, in Cuba, the same med is only FIVE CENTS!? We all know in Mexico and Canada medicine is greatly less expensive. Again it is the same medicine. Years ago, I got some Non-Aspirin in Mexico for only $2.00 and it was stronger than you can get over the counter here in the US. Damn, I loved those things -esp. after a long night of drinking! My point is the money hungry companies that have OUR politicians in their pockets is the problem. And it goes beyond healt care. Look at the Millions and millions of dollars Big Oil CEO's make off of Hard working American's and because of their greed the prices our every day needs of food and whatnot goes up.

whatever happened to the whole helping others and humanity? give than receive? any1

Zylock, As a Canadian Citizen I don't know what you are talking about. I've lived here my whole life and I've known many people who've needed medical procedures to either save their life (cancer, heart attacks, organ transplants) and never once did they have to wait a crazy amount of time. The media tries to make it seem like Canada has these huge wait times when in reality it is only that way with regards to elective and non-life threatening surgery. Like someone mentioned, if you need a knee replacement, sure you might have to wait, but is that really a big deal? I'd rather the critical patients were being dealt with. If you don't have coverage, you still get treated in Canada. That's not the same in the US and I think that basically amounts to an infinite wait time...

"Sure, SICKO is as biased and angry as all of Moore's other work." --Capone's opening paragraph

I want to watch a documentary, not a propaganda piece. Moore knows how to make a case evenly ...atleast he seems to be smart enough. Why does he always bring it down to cobbling things together to make them seem as though they are something that they are not. ie. the cut and paste editing in Fahrenheit 911.

On the other hand, I did get a good laugh when he signed up for a bank account and they gave him a free rifle. Moore's response, "Here's my first question. Do you think it's smart giving people guns in a bank?"

After (and outside of) that scene in 'Bowling For Columbine' I have found Moore to be nothing but an annoying propagandist.

I'd wait for attention. I mean at least I would know that I would get the attention I needed. At least I would know that after I waited in the Emergency Room for a few hours that I would be 'fixed' and I could go home in peace and rest. As opposed to dreading calling my HMO and trying to talk them into covering my visit, and or worrying how I was going to pay for the few hundred to a few thousand dollar bill I racked up. I also don't get why people are so up in arms about "paying" for others medical -I mean if you pay a premium and your premium goes up through no fault of your own, well guess what, it is the other guys fault. You are already paying for someone else!

The problem at least in amerika is that we are raised from birth identifying ourselves and our immediate families as the most important people to us... and even then its only #1 (ie the 'me') you really worry about. This was a wonderfully maddening film. I for one am all for National Health. I'm also for low cost daycare from child birth, much longer vacations, and dammit its time every working American was given a living wage of at least 10 dollars an hour. That's the America I want to live in... which is why Canada suddenly looks tempting

I love that nobody ever mentions The Big One when talking about his movies. Cuz it sucked... The Big One. I hated Fahrenheit 9/11 but I loved Bowling for Columbine. I really hope Sicko is more like the latter.

there have been different classes of people. Cavemen sitting around, chopping up aurochs, somebody got the grilled tenderloin and somebody got the boiled hoof. In a capitalist society, those with the money get the best goods. In a communist society, those highest in the party power structure get the best goods. In a crazy robot dictatorship, the newest robots get the best software. Just because Castro, the leader (legitimate or not) of an entire NATION, ordered out for a specialst rather than get the guy on the corner isn't an indictment of single-payer healthcare. Its not even an argument. Its a pointless, snide anecdote. Also, Kurt Loder is still alive AND on MTV?

I work at a place that has a great insurance plan. I've been really healthy all my life and have rarely had to use insurance coverage. Last summer, though, I was diagnosed with a nerve problem in my arm and had to have relatively minor surgery. That's when I learned about how even the "good" insurance providers are tricky, evil manipulative bastards who constantly pretend to make mistakes (after mistake after mistake) hoping you won't notice and call them on it and pay a whole lot more than what you're actually supposed to pay. They prey on the weak, sick, and old-- those who aren't in any shape to spend long amounts of time chasing down the insurance representatives to give them a fair shake. Those of us who are young and mostly fit-- well, they just really piss us off. Keep in mind, I had minor surgery. My co-pay for much of the work was very low. That's great! Or it would be if I didn't have to spend an ENTIRE YEAR correcting errors from my insurance company. At first, they tried to charge me a few thousand dollars for the procedure. It only took me about eight phone calls on that first one to get that cleared up. Then-- oopsy daisey!-- they just happened to mess up again and kept sending me bills for eight or nine hundred dollars. Differnt amounts in the hundreds. Again and again. Those took more phone calls then I can probably add up to correct. Then-- whoops again!-- the bills started to become really unusal. One month it would be two hundred and fifty dollars. Oops! Then it would be three hundred and twenty-five dollars. Oops! Then it would be a hundred seventy five. Oops! (None of these matched, in any way, the appropriate co-pay). If I was an old or sick patient, I'd probably just give up and end up paying. I'll bet a lot of them do. It was only at the beginning of this summer-- almost a full year later-- that I'd finally pinned them down and just got a bill for the co-pay I was supposed to pay all along. One major billing mistake might be an error. Two major billing mistakes is probably ineptitude. Eleven months of constant billing mistakes is somebody trying to deliberately screw the consumer. Before this year, I was naive and didn't have much of an opinion. Now, I've reached the conclusion that insurance companies royally suck, even for those of us with good insurance.

he finds shitty things and points at them and says "can we fix thi?s" so if or when we go to fix it, we live in a better world, and he laughs his evil propagandist maniacal laughter.

we in America already pay around 22.5% in payroll taxes, around 5-10% in sales tax, at least 50% tax on gas or cigarettes, + additional taxes on your car, home, and property. then we get a tax return. if they took my tax return in exchange for benefits like they get in France, UK, or Canada it WOULD STILL BE A DEAL!!! i would gladly give a portion of my return, or pay 5% higher taxes for the peace of mind of access to a doctor or dentist when i need one. how can the government send 400 BILLION dollars to Iraq but not be able to take care of its citizens health concerns?

...which is fine, but he is completely dishonest and disengenuous as a film maker. He leaves out all the negative aspects of universal health care, i.e. you wouldn't want to have a terminal illness and need serious surgery in that system as the waiting lists are obscene. So I'll be passing on this new bit of propaghanda thank you much.

Canadian and European medical aren't that great, but Moore only presents it in the best light possible.

DR Dischord... you just described Loder's observations the way that I would describe Moore's. It is intellectually dishonest to put this issue into a 90 minute film and declare problem solved. I think that Loder's point is that Moore is advocating solutions, that have flaws that need to be examined, rather than accepted cart blanche. Love Shorty

I should have added more to my original comment... I've seen all of Moore's other films, and all of them have suffered from a predictable bias--I'll not state whether I approve of his bias or not. And, at least in Bowling for Columbine, his bias heavily favored Canada to the point of misrepresentation. All I wanted to do with my comment was counter what I imagine his depiction of our health care system is, because, like I said, it's not perfect. There are flaws. Regardless, I have heard horror stories about our health care system. I know people personally who were not sufficiently served, or had to seek aid south of the border.

So does Moore think Guantanamo prisoners are mistreated or well-treated? Anyways, despite the fact that Fahrenheit 9/11 was a huge piece of yellow journalism, Sicko looks like it's actually accurate. I take people as they come. I liked Roger & Me and it looks like Michael Moore is coming back to the style I can accept. And maybe it's good I don't have health insurance right now.

What you idiots call bias is called OPINION; there is NO SUCH THING as objective journalism; mainstream journalism, from CNN to FOX to CSMBC is RACIST, MONEY-OBSESSED, US-CENTRIC PROVINCIAL TRASH staffed by rubbernecked college boys and tarts with too much makeup licking their lips to turn on jaded viewers? ALL PROPAGANDA, ALL LIES, ALL MULCH, ALL DISCREDITED. The New York Times? Please; a luxury watch catalog with a bit of feed at the edges of the page. Because of POOR NUTRITION, Americans are on average the SHORTEST people in the industrialised world. and NO, that is not because of Mexicans or Asians; your children are so POORLY FED that they are turning into DWARFS. That's what society is for; look at the WELFARE STATE in the Netherlands; the people there are an average of six-four. Americans are now five-mine. So laugh at British teeth; they're bigger than you. Laugh at the French; they're bigger than you. Laugh at the Spanish, the Italians, the Irish, the Canadians and the Germans. They#re all bigger than you midgets.

Ok, I've lurked this site for 10 years but here is a topic I actually know something about so I signed up. Every thread seems to have some guy who starts off by saying "Wargames is so unrealistic...I know, I work at NORAD". Well, I'm that guy here. I run a statewide home DME company. We're the people who provide oxygen, enteral, TPNs, etc to patients who have been discharged from the hospital. We are the people who fight insurances and medicare/medicaid every day so that grandma can get the care she needs when she gets home. Not every case has a terrific outcome, BUT I'd say 98% percent of patients with a third party payer (blue cross, etc) get the appropriate equipment and treatment. The problem comes in when Medicare or Medicaid is the primary payer. Then that 98% gets shot to hell. Medicare won't even pay for any items in the bathroom (shower stools, elevated toilet seats, etc) that help prevent falls and thereby prevent further cost to medicare and pain and suffering to the patient. That's just a small example...there are much bigger and more tragic ones. There is a device called a Low Air Loss mattress that helps prevent bedsores. Medicare won't pay for it until the bedsores start tunneling...sometimes all the way to the bone. Only then can you get the mattress. That's right...you can only get the equipment to prevent this after it has already happened. Classic. But the best part is they take the mattress back if the bedsore gets better, leaving the patient vulnerable to getting the bedsores again. I've got patients that have gone through this painful cycle many times. Long story short... these are the same people who would be running socialized medicine. They are the same people who run Walter Reed. They are the same people who work at the DMV. They are the same people who organized the response to Katrina. They are the same people who have passed laws on every concievable problem in America for over 230 years and still have't fixed everything. If you think you're going to get a friendlier, more empathetic, more streamlined, and above all FAIRER system out of them you're in for a big, BIG suprise. Flame me for being "too right" or "too left" all you want, but my company is not for profit and we did over $5 million worth of charity care last year. I care about my patients and this is not the answer.

What do you think the solution is, b3guy1?

Thank you bsguy1, if I ever get bed-ridden, I will think of that and hire an assassin to kill me ASAP.

okay, POINT THEM OUT IMMEDIATELY PLEASE.

What you seem to be getting at is that there is a fundamentally cynical, inhumane element to all government in the United States. You imply that all national systems are rotten, corrupt and stupid. Maybe they are, and your comment about '230 years' infers that it is an intractable problem; that general health care in the US would be flounderingly incompetent and useless; as useless as all other governmental organization. I don't know if you're right or left; frankly I don't care. I'm inclined to believe that you're correct though; that the Protestant work-ethic, which defines US capitalism and organization, becomes fundamentally warped and inhumane when it reaches a certain scale. That still doesn't explain why the US can organize and fund a national military machine but no other form of efficient organization (I know; the military is full of cheapness, waste, cynical profiteering and private slush too).

Aw crap. I was hoping to get out of this with just complaining, not offering solutions. OK, just my 2 cents: I think it's probably important to remember that people from all over the world come HERE to get medical care. The Atlanta lawyer who had TB travelled THROUGH Canada to get back here. The system isn't the worst in the world... it's just not perfect. I know that sounds wierd but think about it. Sure, everyone knows a bad story or three, but the system services 300 million citizens. Nobody knows 300 million bad stories. Why completely overhaul something that only needs SOME reform? Why get a system 90% of the way there and then completely scrap it? Sure it sounds sexy to "go in a bold new direction" but is it really smart? Will you really end up with something better, or just something different? My personal short list... 1) England does have something right..."looser pays". If you bring a lawsuit that's shown to be frivilous you pay for all the costs of bringing the suit. The less frivilous lawsuits the less insurance costs the more options you can get from insurance. Don't get me wrong...if your insurance promised they would cover something and then they didn't then sue the hell out of them. I'm merely talking about frivilous suits. 2) Citizen/Physician appeals panels for medicare/medicaid with the teeth to right the wrongs in both the hospital and home settings, 3)More public awareness of eligibilty services departments. If you are un or underinsured they will work with you for free to get you placed with medicare, find you a fund, or write off your hospital bill. Almost nobody knows they exist. 4) Education. I know this sounds a little esoteric but the better education you have, the more marketable your skills are, the better insurance you can get from potential employers. 5) Agressive insurance pooling laws to allow greater access to insurance for the employees of small businesses and the self employed. 6)Agressive disease prevention and nutrition programs (even though malnourishment will not, contrary to a previous post, make you a dwarf. Inheriting a gene will do that). You can spend a dollar on the front end to save thousands on the back. 7) A bunch of other stuff that's not coming to mind at 3 in the morning. See? They just don't sound as sexy as "complete overhaul" does. By the way... yours was probably the best post in the whole thread. Less whining and political bitching and more ideas makes for a better discussion. I certainly don't have all the answers and if anyone doesn't agree with my 2 cents you can always come up with your own, but I will say this... go and talk to some healthcare workers first. Get their input (some agree with me, some don't) and then see what you think.

Not so much cynical as impotent. The larger the system the harder it is to affect good. There was a great line on the Simpsons one time. An angry mob with pitchforks and torches had gathered but then got talked out of lynching so someone (Moe?) yelled out "Hey everybody! Let's go to the hospital and read books to children!" (or something to that effect) Point is the bigger the group of people the harder it gets to do a good thing. The government is paralyzed by it's very size. How can you do much good for people if you have to wade through 8000 pages of regulations and go through 15 supervisors? As for tunneling bedsores, I'd suggest you NOT do a search for "decubitus ulcer" pics on the internet. Ugly stuff. By the way I reread your earlier post. I took the dwarf thing way too literally, my bad. Again, it's late.

Lies aren't the problem. The problem is he compares the worst parts of one system to the best parts of others. I can make a documentary about clutch problems with corvettes and then show a bit about the cool little tail-light overlays on a VW bug that look like flowers. That doesn't make a bug better than a corvette.

I believe in the moral case for low taxation... I just believe the moral case for not letting someone die of a completely curable illness simply because they aren't rich is much stronger. And it always baffles me how the people most opposed to public healthcare are the ones who claim to be the most patriotic. Love America? Great. America is the people, all 300 million of them. If you don't care for them, you don't care for America. If you hate them, you hate America.

Just saw it - - OMG - - This is a film that could single-handedly alter the course of our relationship to our government, if we allow it to wake us the hell up!! - - WAKE UP!

All you think about is yourself as individuals. National healthcare would never work in country where the rich aren't willing to support the poor. This is the foundation of a true welfare system (which you don't have btw.). You are so fed up in your "american dream way of life" that it is sickening. In my country we have a system that works. We even sell it to other nations. In regards to national healthcare; yes we do have some wait time on non-life threatening surgery, but that is a whole helluva lot better than no treatment at all. Also, my dad is a doctor in the system and I can tell you that a doctor's pay is on par with with a certified accountant. Here that is about 300 grand a year. More than enough to pay for your 2 mercedes, a mortgage free house and the golf membership. Did I tell you that all education is for free and that if you enroll in college or likewise my government will pay you 500 dollars a month for at least a 5 year period? And no, that is not a loan, that is a gift from the government. One that you would also receive if you come from abroad to study, just like anyone from turists to illegal emigrants get 100% free medical treatment. You have so much to learn young America.

The problem isn't that he's biased. A reasonably intelligent person can see through that to the facts. The problem is that his bias is so acerbic for middle-grounders and the other side. By not presenting just a clear factual argument, he fails to appeal to anyone but those who already agree with him. This won't wake anyone up. It will give people more of an excuse to remain polarized and feel exploited by, besieged by, and afraid of "the other side." Whoever they may be.

im not sure how anyone can watch "SiCKO" and not agree with what is being said. THIS IS THE MUST SEE MOVIE THIS SUMMER, and i truly hope this doc changes the issues for the 2008 elections from wasting billions chasing terrorists hiding under your bed and in your closet to something real that we can be proud of!

im not sure what the counterpoint of the argument could be? medical in America should be able to bankrupt a family overnight? paying $3000 for a ER visit in the US guarantees you fast service? $10000 for a ride in the Ambulance? $100 for a medicine that sells for .05c in Cuba? $3000 for a root canal? or not having to worry about these things in a time a crisis, when you are sick and the first thing to cross your mind is "CAN I AFFORD TO GET BETTER"? should i pay the rent or go to the dentist? there is no downside i can see to universal coverage... that is unless your concern is how can you profit off such a system. and like its been pointed out, its better than nothing at all.

The rich are already supporting the poor. The whole idea of a "progressive" tax set it up that way. If it did't, the government would just take a even 15% out everyone's pay check, but they don't. Your taxes go up the more you earn. And the difference between your country maybe as follows: You may not have tens of millions of people riding the system for all they can get. Believe it our not, here we have some teenage girls who get pregnant on purpose without a daddy around, just to get more benefits.We also have a large segment who take home welfare checks, but somehow still find the money for a plasma tv and $1500 rims for their car. It is this sense of "entitlement" that the "great society" created. Don't worry folks, big government is were to cut your food for you, no need to push yourself. Government handouts should be seen as last resort, not an entitlement that gets passed out so you have more money for the latest cell phone. If you are in Europe, I believe that if you instigate a law suit and you loose, you ended up paying all the court costs. That is one things we should emulate here in the states. You would see scam law suits drop down to nothing, and with it, the cost of healthcare. Also, depending were you are from, we probably have more people here illegally with their kids then the entire population of your country. Look, I know the may make some food and construction cosst cheap, more it undeniable that they are a drain on the healthcare system. For example, my sister-in-law is doctor. Last month in Sanford, NC, a pregnant hispanic woman with no id and who could not speak english shows up at the hospital going into labor. Turns out she is having twins, and they have to do an emergency c-section. They tried to ask her some questions, but didn't understand. Her brother was there, and could speak some english. He starts yelling at the staff because they don't have any translators (which would be an added cost btw). Any how, they deliver the kids, and the bill comes to like 20k. After she is released, all the contact info they gave turned out to be wrong, so they eat the costs. Now if you were an american citizen and did this, you would be hunted like a dog, because you can't hide, your are in the system. If you used fake id and social securty numbers you wouldn't have any credit and your ass would be jail, and you wouldn't have a home country south of the border you could escape to if things really got hot. If America only had say, 30 million instead of 300, with 20 millions plus here illegal, and had the european law suit model, then we could talk oranges for oranges. And we might be a "young' country, but the computer you type on, the internet is shows up on, the car you ride to work, and the planes you fly on vacation, among other things, were all invented here. So how about a shout out instead of the conceded attitude...

The problem is in your tax system. Americans don't want to pay taxes. In my country we have the highest taxes in the world and no one cares. I lived in America for 2 years and the difference between rich and poor is stagering. You can become enormously wealthy in the US but also enormously poor. I saw areas in Georgia that looked worse than when I went to Gambia in Africa. The lowest tax you can pay in my country is 50% and my Dad who is a doctor pays 73%. But then again we are in the top 3 of richest countries in the world and we don't have ANY debt. How many countries can say that. We also have zero unemployment and we have the highest percentage of clean energy. I'm not saying this to brag but because it is possible for any country with great natural resources. Something I know is the case with the US. I think the real problem is the money you spend on war and military. I mean the budget for one years war could pay for a completely reconstructed healthcare system in the US, and since 1990 you have been to war for more than a decade.

50-73% tax rate is crazy, but with that you get what? healthcare, education, housing? if housing is in the mix then it makes sense. most Americans pay 50-75% of their wages per month on housing.

High taxes, anyways. The thought of the gov. coming with gun to your head to make that you earn and re-distribute it without a say in where it goes it scary to us, and rightfully so. I don't know if you are aware of this, but the US spends a substantial amount more on education out of their budget than the military, and no one seems happy with how that is working out. It is big, bloated bureaucracy run by unions. And we want the same for healthcare? Look at this way, who does the America public trust more with its packages, the US postal service or Fed Ex? I am not sure what's going on in Gambia, but people in Georgia are not subjected to continuous state of civil war and genocide like most of Africa seems to going thru. Plus, if someone is inventive and hard working, their is much better chance they can go from rags to riches, because the system is set up to reward people who create new ideas and produce. It may sound trite, but here you can be successful and have no limits put on your success because, for the most part, the government isn't here to set limits or redistribute what you earn. Ever hear of famous Amos, the chocolate chip cookie mogul?

that pretty much summed it up for me. One of the 9/11 workers went to a pharmacy in Cuba to get an inhaler that she has to buy for 120-150 dollars a piece in the states. The price in Cuba...5 cents. What the fuck is that shit?

It's ok that you are rewarded for creating new ideas, but how does that help the millions that are born into powerty and who struggles to survive. There is no way they have the extra strenght to create new ideas when all their focus is on getting bread on the table every day. And you totally proove Moore's point that americans are scared/distrustfull of their government when you say that "why would we want to give our hardearned money to the state". In more well developed countries it's the other way around. The states know that the citizens pay a lot of tax so they better well provide them with lots of services or there will be trouble. As he says, in those countries the governments fear the people, not the other way around. But then again you are a young country.

We all know the NHS has it's problems, some major some minor, and even though there are waiting lists on certain medical treatment, you also get treated straight away on a majority of medical illness' or if you're going in to labour, they don't turn anyone away anyone, even if you're from a different country, they don't deny you the basic treatment, or injury, and you only pay £6.30 for medication. Without the NHS we in the UK would be paying ten times more than that, just like in America. Also we are NOT a socialist country, we are pretty much an independent country, we have the best news services in the world, with each channel reporting a news story from all angels, the biggest selling newspaper in the UK is The Sun which is owned by Rupert Murdoch who also owns the biggest satellite corporation called Sky, as well as Fox News. The same Fox News channel that does not want you to have free health care, and is banging on about socialism in Europe, if that was the case, then Rupert Murdoch would have been out of the UK 30 years ago. The NHS maybe going downhill, but at least anyone can go in to Accident and Emergency and not have to stress about filling endless insurance forms, although you do have to wait up to three hours to see a doctor but at least it’s free.

We have friends that move here from Germany 10 years ago.Why? Because they want to run their own business and they said their government and its laws make it next to impossible to do so. And the say the unemployment rate is about 12-15% (about 3 times higher than the US). These are smart, inventive people who ran from there because the system you champion limits their potential. Besides, if you don't the system in America, you are free to go live where every you want. Can you do that if you are a citizen of Cuba?

won't be easy because the story has too many villains, and each villain is a sacred cow to someone in Washington. Fingerpointing at patients or corporations or insurance companies or malpractice lawyers or health care providers or the government doesn't accomplish anything, because ALL are guilty one way or another of contributing to the mess we face today.

I'm pretty sure you can, cause I have classes with a student from Cuba and there are more on the school. I don't know much about Germanys system other than it's not very good since their unemplyment rate is enormous. We don't have unemployment in my country (other than those who are disabled). And if you want to start a business I know no better place than to do it here. The government even gives you a start-up package that includes 5000 dollars sthat you can use for whatever purpose you want. I own a small ad agency next to my studies and I spend my 5 grand on a bookkeeper. Our prime minister keeps on urging people to start up on their own cause my country's main export is knowledge. I have lived in both countries (US and my own) so I have a fairly good idea about what works and what doesn't.

Oh yeah, they quarantine them away from society. While Castro flies in the best doctor's money can by from Spain for his ailments, his people don't get the same treatment. There's REAL then theres Michael Moore. Universal health care only works if the gov. has money and lots and lots of available doctors and the US is bankrupting itself. You need surplus. What works in one country isn't applicable to others. Why people insist on modeling ourselves after European countries is beyond me. It won't work.

I don't know much about Cuba but are you saying that even if they had the money to do so, they couldn't go live anywhere else? It seems to me that Americans with no money can't just pick up and live somewhere else. Hell, I can't even afford to go to the next province if I wanted to, without racking up the credit card. Just a sidenote: I'm canadian (Happy Canada Day tomorrow, btw) who is currently recovering from surgery for an ovarian cyst. It took me 4 appointments - emergency room, family doc, specialist, surgeon - a year and a half to be scheduled for surgery. I was in considerable pain and was prescribed percocet from the onset (the presrciptions cost less than that of a bottle of extra strength Tylenol and can be submitted to Phamacaid to recieve money back). At the time, I was really sore and pretty angry that I had to wait so long. My surgery turned out to be more complicated - and I suspect the wait time had something to do with it - and I had to get my ovary removed as well. As it turned out, I developed an absess and had to be admitted back into the hospital for ten days by way of an ambulance (That is a $275 bill I sent directly to my house that comes out of my pocket). I was on numerous antibiotics to combat the fever and infection. Now, I am on home care where a nurse comes twice a day to re-pack the wound with gauze. Suffice to say, while I was initionally pissed off at the wait time, I am really grateful to the nurses who took care of me, especially the ones who come to my home to do so. I can't even imagine what would have happened to me if I was billed for all the treatment that I've had..

This movie is centered around people with HMOs. HMOs are the cheaper option when it comes to insurance and therefore you get worse service than with other programs, although I'm not saying that PPOs are without fault. What I will say that to make the jump from showing that HMOs suck, which anybody with an HMO will tell you is true, to wanting universal healthcare is a bit of a leap. And if you want to set up a program to fund those without insurance or those with shitty insurance, great, you are a wonderful human being. If you are a doctor and want to donate your time to those that cannot afford treatment which many doctors do, then you are a great human being. BUT, people should have the choice whether or not they want to fund this. They should not be forced to do so. Everybody keeps going on and on about how this movie is about our entire healthcare industry when it is not. HMOs are but one piece of the puzzle here. I do agree that this subject should be talked about, but I do not agree that universal healthcare is the answer. And if Moore really wants our government to run the healthcare system, why did he not visit any VA hospitals which are hospitals run by our government and are notorious for being the worst hospitals in the land with horrible treatment and facilities and are full of corruption. If you are going to make an arguement, you should show the whole picture.

that's what a lot of you guys give..can't you just wonder why in a world with so much, why people can't have free basic health care? It's really simple...with all the big brains here simply saying "it can't work it can't work" well why you don't you try thinking up something that does

Since you have a fairly good idea about what works and what doesn't. Create your own Nationalized Healthcare Infomercial!! For smaller countries around the world that are all fucked up. They could order your course of 6 dvds and step by step plans for only $39.95, just like the real estate guys do. You could be the "TOM VU" of socialized medicine. Just saying.....

Last summer I was in the hospital for over a month. I had 2 surgeries to remove 95% of my small intestine. I was about as close as you can get to dying without actually shuffling off the mortal coil. I had filled out forms to recieve unemployment (something I have never done, along with welfare) because my wife and I couldn't survive on one salary alone. First I was told that I was approved and we breathed a sigh of relief. About a week later I received a letter stating that the state would not approve my unemployment request at this time. So I called in trying to find out what was going on. They gave me the run-around for about an hour, finally I was able to talk to a supervisor. They informed me that because I could not prove that I was able to go back to work at any time that I was not approved. Even though I had a job at the time, I was going to go back to that job, and that I was not allowed to go back to work until it was approved by my doctor. So to add to the stress of already having to be in the hospital, i was no longer going to recive any help, when I had never needed it before. It is just so disheartning that some people will scam the system and are given whatever they want, when some of us work almost every day of our lives and then get told that we can't be helped because of some ridiculous beuracratic idiom.

You're a blithering moron if you think that trip wasn't pre-approved. Filming anything in Cuba, much less a big documentary, requires government permission.

...but I think Moore is right on the money this time. I've been dying to see someone adequately confront the evils of greedy health care companies. These are not non-profit organizations, and this is one instance where capitalism really is a liability. The only way to ensure the best care over any period is to cycle between socialized and capitalized systems – keeping one only long enough to become corrupt, then switch. At this point, our country really does need to start looking at the big picture – privately owned and operated medical insurance isn’t working. They’re run by greedy, bean-counting, heartless bastards who couldn’t care less whether you live or die - only about maximizing their profits. This has got to stop, and just about every other 1st world country has proven that socialized health care is the way to go. Sure doctors make less – and that’s why the most skilled doctors come the US… greed. It’s all capitalism over here so they can make more money in the States, at the expense of those in their own country. People like that are no less to blame than the giant corporations that get to decide whether you live or die.

I still think it's stupid to say the government should fear us. Just sounds like the "I'm so enlightened now that I've gone to college and seen how the real world is" rhetoric I hear from naive college students all the time. We elect those in power. Maybe if more hippies would go out and vote instead of sitting at home thinking they're making a "statement", things like the Bush administration wouldn't happen. Not trying to pick a fight though. I'm proud of us for having a political talk back that hasn't turned hostile. Yay for us. That is all.

WTF? That would be sort of like; an pertaining to an adherent to the philosophy of behaving an a conspiratorial (i.e. sinisterly familiar) manner.

I think the 'fear' is just a flashy way of saying: 'Government officers should remember that the PEOPLE are the ones who elected them." And I agree - more people have to vote. VOTE! VOTE!

I can live with that. I'll quit arguing now. Sorry about that!

That should be Michael Moore's next movie. Find out who the hell "We" are. There isn't one homogenous America that can pose the Who-are-we question to itself. Because a family of four in Juneau can't begin to empathize with the concerns of a single parent maintaining a household in Camden, NJ. I'm not even counting the x-million illegals that stream into this country or the parishes in Louisiana and counties in Mississippi still putting the pieces back together. I'd like to engage in common cause with my "fellow Americans" but they have a nasty habit of going off-book. Self-centered? No. Solipsistic? Yes, by necessity.

Puritan's did not work on Sunday, nor did they expect others to work on Sunday just so they could go shopping. Puritan's attended church and joyfully gave 10% of the incomes as a tithe. Puritan's counted it a blessing to be able to look after their sick, homeless, and widowed. Whatever America is now, it's NOTHING a Puritan would recognize.

That fact that Kamala starts talking about Mexicans and rims in his argument against national healthcare is very telling.

There is no such thing as 'America'. That's why 'Americans' keep on going on about it, swearing pledges in elementary classes, standing for the flag, hooting at football games, listening to Mariah Carey singing the national anthem, lining the streets with flags, plastering their cars and trucks with bumper stickers, adorning themselves with nationalist shirts and caps. The limbs and outward flourishes of patriotism; to hide the truth within, that they have no real feeling of unity; no bone-deep sense of belonging together, no real sense of home. I've seen old, very old, third-generation Irish Americans breaking down in Connemara and talking about their feelings of homecoming. It's so weird. Anything that has to be shouted so loud and so often is definitely hollow. You can't be proud of a system of capitalism; 'Oh, being able to conceive and market a product and make money; THAT's what makes us who we are!' Hollow. Low taxes make us who we are? Empty. Lobby-elected millionaires prating about democracy make us who we are? Hah! These colors don't run? The problem is that they've never stopped running.

I'm sorry... after all the rave reviews I was expecting much much more out of this movie. I hate Michael Moore... not his movies really, just him, if that makes any sense. I guess best way to put it is that I already held the beliefs he does in his movies anyway, but his pompous arrogant pushy attitude makes me hate him and want to oppose him. The funny thing about this movie (and the review is wrong where it starts by saying otherwise) is that hes not really in this movie much. The begnning... and by that I mean first hour... he was hardly in. Thats half the movie. Since I dislike him you would think that a good thing... but honestly it made the first hour of movie boring. Not oh my God this sucks boring, but just ok documentary boring. And it did start to get alot better when Moore was onscreen, though he did say some stupid ass stuff that he is totally wrong about, at least he kept that to a minimum. Overall even when he was in movie more he kept himself in the background, not the forefront. At least not until the very end. Still... those times when he wasnt being a onesided idiot but just beign there, listening, etc... those were the best parts of the movie. So beginning boring, once he started to be seen more good, when he made stupid comments, which were few and far between, still good but just wanna smack him for saying it. The other thing, not a problem at all but just a comment. The movie didn't really show anything new... but I realize now thats only to me. Just because I know how bad the healthcare is because of other countries, and how good Londons is, etc... that doesnt mean others do. His other movies I knew the issues too, knew the problem... but I felt like I was being taught more in them. Like Inconvenient Truth, I know Moore had nothing to do with it, but I am using it as a documentary example. I knew about Global Warming, knew it was a major, problem, knew mostly the things that caused it... but I still learned so much more about it after seeing movie. Not so in Sicko. Sicko felt like a very simple movie. One that was good, not great, and necessary to be made to show those who don't know whats up. If I was being shocked and told things I didn't know, as I am sure many people are going to be, it would be a much better film for me. If the first hour wasn't so boring it would be 100x better. Finally I just wish he would stop with his ignorant comments, even if he didn't say many... he said some where you just wanted to punch him in the mouth or roll your eyes. I say... 2.5 stars out of 4.

Osama Bin Laden LOVES AICN, and Michael Moore.

I don't recall using the term "mexican", I believe the term was "illegal". If that is the first thing that pops in your and it gives you cause to comment, I think that is more telling of your political leaning. And call them what you will, if you don't think 12 -20 million people and their children using the hospitals as their own healthcare plan, your either have no one in your family that works in the medical field (like a doctor or nurse) to give you their impression on how it impacts the system, or you are too wrapped in you cloak of left-wing dogma to see the reality. If we had 20 million uneducated, non-english speaking white french canadians swarming the border and overloading the social service programs, people would still point it out as a problem, but that is not the issue. I guess if comment against gang violence your are racist because you must be talking about it since you head blacks, that is the same fuck logic you are using. Since the late 90's, dozens of hospitasl have closed in the Southwest, and in some counties you can't find a OBGYN practitioner. But in your Air American anesthetized brain, I am sure you think it is just because all the evil white christian doctors don't want treat hispanics. Go talk to some people who work in ER in Arizona and New Mexico and here what they say first before you go running your mouth. Very telling indeed.

One of my kids hit the keyboard.

You're an idiot.

So there!

keep this country running. that may day shite scared a lot of people and for good reason, if we didn't have their cheap labor to exploit this country would come to a stop. and they only come here because our goverment makes sure that their countries stay dirt poor so the gap can save money on the sweatshop shirts we buy, or green giant peas in mexico. our goverments have spent billions keeping their wages low so their bussiness buddies can make huge profits so of course the poeple are going to try and find a better life for themselves anywhere they can, isn't that why all our families came here? or where they just sight seeing.

The health care system in the US is all about money. So what if France or Canada or England's Heath care isn't perfect, it's better the the US. Sure Moore is biased and I saw some of his biasness in the film, but he is on to something. The politicians in the pocket of the insurences companies and their PR people are going to rip this film apart with lies and half truths. I doubt this film will change much, but the working class majority in the US can get free health care if we all band together. Power in numbers!!