May 23, 2006 2:47 AM CST
by seppukudkurosawa
You can never trust those French, I mean how can one race give us both Milla Jovovich and Gerard Depardieu??? Answer me that.
I'll go see it, and I'll reserve judgement til then. I sincerely hope it's great.
uh...kind of. I mean nice line in satire but a touch obvious perhaps. The line at the end helped it. Kelly did one fantastic film and one atrocious script so I'm uncertain whether this will be as good as everything suggests or just a big bloody mess. And Sepp, get your arse back in the zone mate and your facts straight...Milla is Ukranian not French, you should have gone with Emmanuelle Beart vs. Depardieu!!!
...i got excited for nothing - what the hell is this "much talked about" and "eagerly anticipated" follow up feature to "donnie darko" about? - was this movies script one of the many that the supergeeks that are aicn managed to "fall into posession of" and post here - id like to read it too
...cool name - "seconds" is a great movie
Holy Shit Kevin Smith looks good, (in a Bai Ling kinda way). That new diet really works.
Anyone who brings Darko to the table has a free pass for at least 10 years.
Are complete and total idiots. I'm talking morons. I mean, they shouldn't be allowed to drive or operate heavy machinery. They have the combined IQ of a rubber plant. That Kelly asshole pulled off one of the greatest cinematic scams of all time. And now, when this piece of shit gets relased (read the Variety review) all the stupid fuck sheep will have to admit...oops, I guess this guy is not deep like we thought - no, I guess he just makes terribly written, pretentious, incomprehensible films. Ha ha. I'm lovin' it. I'm gonna' pull up a chair, this is gonna' be fun.
I think that's a sweeping statement and pretty sad of you. I freely admit that Darko doesn't make much sense to me. I also freely admit that I think its a good film. As I've said story/plot isn't the be all and end all of movies. There is the acting, cinamatography, direction, editing, score etc etc. I don't think 2001 has a great (or sensible) plot, still think it's good though...
Shit clip. When are we going to get a proper trailer?
How is Donnie Darko incomprehensible? It sure is easier to get than that mess you just posted.
Youre a moron for posting something as incredibly rude and generalized as that. So anybody who loves Donnie Darko is stupid. Thats the most illogical and rude thing Ive heard in a long time. Donnie Darko is not incomprehensible. Its a simply but moving parable for me about how Donnie learns that he must sacrifice himself for the good of other people. Its a story of predestination. Its not that hard to figure out people. Good job being rude Rebeck
I know I haven't seen a frame of the movie apart from that clip, but I have a feeling this is going to get panned by general audiences because it attacks the shallow celebrity life that most people either live, or think they live, or think they should be living today. The Darko comparisons should end here because this is a different ballgame.
Okay, Brock. Well you know the first scene? And then the last scene? Somewhere between those two scenes it gets a little pointless. It's a mess and I didn't buy a minute of it. DD fans seem to be saying: It's a mess because it's SAYING SOMETHING. What? I don't know but, like, man, it totally speaks to my generation. It's a classic, dude. Yeah, sorry. Ever hear the expression "emperor's new clothes"? This is the perfect example of that. Trust me, years from now, you're going to be a little embarrassed for liking this film. And let me know what you didn't understand in my post and I'll explain it to you. It was just so DEEP, you couldn't get it all on one reading. Bryce, Lovecraft: I apologize for my rudeness. I was exaggerating to make a point.
Was ok, a Quantum Leap episode for fat goth chicks and emo-kids that beat up a lot for liking The Cure. Patrick Swayze was good though, almost Roadhouse good.
Yet your patrionizing so youre still being rude. Thanks for turning this into hostile board. The movie takes place in an alternate to demonstrate to Donnie what life could be and why he must die in his room. It is his destiny. It is sad story but moving. I dont see whats so confusing about it. You know I think people should be ashamed for liking films like Devils Rejects but I dont go around berating people like you do.
100% about "The Devil's Rejects", so we have that in common.
Their explanations are so illogical and unreasonable as to border on comedy.
As opposed to the FILM ITSELF, right? Yeah - keep drinking the Kelly Kool-Aid, Scrivener. Whatever makes you feel intellectual. Wait till you see the new piece of shit. I can't wait to hear you bend yourself into a pretzal trying to explain it's merits. You prove my point about the DD morons.
The greatest disappointment so far this year is an easy choice:
weird. I can find a lot of merit in both. Peace.
seriously. Already a classic cult movie. BUT, count me in on the group that just doesn't get Richard Kelly. I enjoyed some of the sequences in DD, but I found the film emotionally hollow and full of nothing. I truly admire those that found something in that movie; I think that is great. But, for me, nothing. And, I positively puked when I saw Domino. So, personally, my track record with Kelly is not so good. Not really anticipating his new feature, but I will def. see it. I'm more excited about P. Almadora's new movie, "Volver". I heard that is fantastic and easily his most accesible movie in a while. If fact, has Pedro ever made an easily accesible movie? I guess you can put Pedro in with Richard Kelly as far as movie tastes. Either you like em, or you don't. It's all good, movie nerds!
good one. Take that, DD fans.
I AM a Donnie Darko fan. I guess I'm an idiot. Thanks for setting me straight, anonymous interwebs bulletin board poster. Where would I be without you? So, what movies would you recommend I watch to straighten me out? Crash? Fantastic Four? RV?
That would be Southland Tales. I hope I'm wrong but this seems like it's going to be 160 mins. of unchecked ego. I loved Darko when I first saw it because I didn't really understand it and it stuck with me. Kelly made it clear in the commentary that the studio made him cut out way more than he wanted to. This helped give the film that cool cryptic feel. The I saw the Director's Cut and I wanted to puke. All of these BS scenes were added and the film became an illogical bore. I don't have a good feeling about this.
I'm sick of him hanging out with his tongue up Kelly's ass. He needs to stop hanging out with film directors that still have a career. His stench of failure may rub off on them and then they will have to do cameos on "Joey" to get attention.
by goths and emo kids. But just because the love it doesn't make it a bad film. Hippies love 2001 and just because another much maligned social group love it it doesn't take away from the movie itself. I saw the movie back in 2001 before all the hoopla and while it is bizarre and not tied up neatly, in fact not tied up at all it makes sense on an emotional level. For me at least. The family aspect is played very nicely. Check out Mary McDonell's performance, especially the scene where she agrees to up Donnie's medication...heartbreaking work. Kelly is also a master of the composed shot. Frank on the Golf course or Donnie in the bathroom are great examples. It's also a very very nice spin on John Hughes movies and there is depth to it, it's just that perhaps people miss that because it's wrapped up in a sci-fi mystery. So yes some idiots like it, but regular people do to and while Kelly is still down because of Domino I'm going to give this a chance like someone previously said that scene had satirical edge to it that whole it might be a tad obvious to some people will still has merit.
Hey Diggety Dog... I either like Donnie Darko or else I must like Crash, Fantastic Four and RV?? How does that work? I'll tell you if you want to heal your taste buds, instead of DD just watch a double feature of "12 Monkeys" and "The Ice Storm". Okay? And don't call me in the morning.
Can we all agree that Drew Barrymore sucked in it and brought down every scene she was in. She was the "movie star" trying to act with real actors. Besides the fact that it was interesting to see her so get so fat, she brought absolutely nothing to the movie. She was credited as a "Producer"- whatever the hell that means!
did you think that Noah Wylie was channeling Keanu? They all get their asses handed to them by the Swayze. "Nobody puts Donnie in the corner!"
Those aren't your only choices, they just came to mind as three movies I don't ever want to have to sit through (again, in the case of Crash and FF). If I've already seen 12 Monkeys and The Ice Storm (multiple times for both), can I be excused?
Noah Wylie had something going on with his voice in that movie. It seemed like he was trying to make it deeper so he could sound like a real high school science teacher. I don't know if you're being sarcastic but I kind of liked Swayze in this movie. Kelly mentioned in the commentary that Swayze was a little nervous and uncomfortable throughout the movie. That nervous energy gave him the "Tony Robbins who likes to fuck little boys" vibe. It should be a law that any movie that takes place in the 80s must have Swayze cast in it. Preferably as a pedophile.
I really do like Swayze's performance in Donnie Darko. I think he is one of the best 'adults' in the movie. Damn TBs make it hard to get emotion/nuance across. I think that's why most degenerate into "You're a RETARD!" "No you are the RETARD."
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I dont see what all the fuss was about. I know it was set in the 1980s but beyond that couldnt figure out what the hell was going on. it was so overrated!
Milla Jovovich is from the Ukraine. Richard Kelly hangs out with Kevin Smith, not the other way around. Donnie Darko is a work of genius. People that hate Darko are responsible for the death of narrative cinema. Enjoy Da vinci you fucktards.
when I heard people call Donnie Darko incomprehensible. Maybe I didnt get every single thing but thematically its fairly basic. I was pretty surprised.
I know thats considered one of the worst films ever but I always found it to be a great guilty pleasure.
Drew Barrymore is credited as a producer on DONNIE DARKO because her company Flower Films put up at least a portion of the production money. Regardless of your opinion of the film or her performance in it, that's an entirely reasonable credit for her to have. As for the merits of the film, I only saw it once, and liked it - wasn't the second coming of Christ or anything, but it's good to see an American film every once in a while where I don't know exactly what's going to happen a half-hour before it happens. I'd like to rewatch it and see if it holds up for me - though it's ominous that I've heard absolutely nothing good about the director's cut version. I liked DOMINO, too; though it's one of the most hated movies in recent memory, it definitely manages to be an effective portrayal of a story told to cops by an unstable woman totally blasted out of her mind on hallucinogenic substances. Only in that context does Tony Scott's exercise in complete and total overkill become tolerable. It's a movie you have to take strictly on its own terms, it's not even attempting to meet you halfway. Not only do I understand why so many people hate it, I sympathize with them - but for me, personally, it mostly worked.
no middle ground, no quarter given and none taken. Posts that start off insulting whomever reads it (The TB equivalent of carpet bombing.) and go downhill from there... I never got the DD TB smackfu first time round so I'm enjoying this rehash. Wow, I didn't even realise it was this dude who did Domino... I'm hoping that most of the blame has to land on Scott... otherwise I might have to give in to the Darkside and start hating. If there is any movie that can convert you to the Darkside it's Domino...
hopefully kelly's new flick will be better. no swayze though ....
sucked. I liked Donnie Darko, but that clip sounded like Kelly was going for a Kevin Smith/Williamson vibe yet fell fell short. But I'll give him a chance (Donnie Darko was good). Why not?
if it's this easy to start such anger then: DONNIE DARKO SUCKED! IF YOU LIKE IT, THEN A POX ON YOUR CHILDREN. Really though, I liked it, but it wasn't that great. A nice little film about sacrifice, interesting that to save the one he loves, it makes it so she ultimately doesn't know who he is. I liked it, nice little cult movie. Not the second coming. But if you liked it, YOU SUCK!!
Lovecraftian- I dig 1941 in a major way. I do not, however, consider it a major guilty pleasure. I actually consider it a funny film. It's a bit of a throw back, but a funny flick all the same. On the Kelly tip- I'm not into that clip, but I could watch an entire film of SMG saying fuck over and over again...ok maybe not. I could just download her dialogue loops onto my Ipod and listen to it while I do yoga. As for seeing this flick...I've seen the script. Don't waste your time. Go rent "Masked & Anymous" and watch it. Similar subject- much stronger work...and it has Jeff Bridges.
So you've read Southland Tales and you say that Masked and Anonymous was better? Yikes, that's not good for me...that movie was a mess! Gotta love Jeff Bridges, though!
Your post is as "DEEP" as a pile of horseshit. Do you actually dream? And on that note, did you not realize you were watching a work of fiction? And did I mention you're a dickface?
Nice to see I have a supporter. I remeber watching the directors cut several times on DVD and just had a blast. I was genuinely shocked to find out how hated it was.
Not to take this particularly venemous thread in a totally different direction...but am I the only person in the worldwho thinks that JeffBridges is, quite possibly, our greatest living actor and has been totally screwed by the Hollywood establishment for recognition and acolades?
Because no one's mentioned any Sarah Michelle Gellar noooooooooooooooooooooooooodity.
Is eye candy. Tasty, but not filling.
Let me get this off my chest: Donnie Darko has balls. So try watching it next time instead of counting the minutes until you can talk shit to your fanboy cronies. Of all the things we should be trashing, it's Lady in the Water.
as well as in Cruel Intentions that no other actress can make the word "fuck" sound as sexy as she does. She's was looking absolutely smoking at Cannes. Oh the movie looks good too.
Sue me.
Could you guys please befriend Almodovar or Inarritu so we can read about movies that actually have gotten positive word? Honestly, I'm starting to feel like the only Cannes news were going to get here is about Kelly, Stone and Del Toro because you guys seem to exhibit man crushes on all those guys. I mean, really, two posts in two days about a movie that's gotten the kind of critical response reminiscent of The Brown Bunny? It's a bit much...
Hilariously opens thus:
It's just not a good movie. why all the fuss?
but own the regular on DVD. I didn't realise that the cuts actually make the story better and lead to the 'mysticism' of the theatrical cut. If true it seems Kelly maybe got lucky and studio cuts aren't always bad... Any thoughts on this (like i say, I haven't seen the DC)?
It's a myth spread by egotistical director's that studio cuts are always a bad thing. Let's be honest. Most Director's cuts suck! Too many unnecessary scenes that go nowhere. I hate to say this with this group of geeks listening but I hated Blade Runner's director cut. They lost the voice-over narration that gave it the futuristic "Mike Hammer" feel. And Harrison Ford was a fucking android! That totally changed everything about the movie. And how come he couldn't kick ass like the other androids? Why do you think George Lucas sucks so much now? He's his own boss and he's got no one holding him back.
Despite the politics of your name, you and I, in middle of the Bush years, are in 100% agreement. The Blade Runner director's cut ruins the movie for me. Forget the orginal cuts of the Star Wars movies, when are we going to get a DVD of the "theatrical cut" of BR? Will that egomaniac Ridley Scott ever let us see it again?
Great, you agree with me and everyone on this board hates you. LOL. Imagine if they were allowd to edit King Kong. Somewhere in that 3 hour boring movie is a kick-ass 2 hour movie. Who the hell would think we needed to see another dinosaur stampede scene?? They don't get that less is more. The mechanical shark in Jaws didn't work so they started fucking with our heads having barrels emerge from the ocean. When the shark jumps on the boat and eats Quint it is the definition of a "Holy Shit scene". Spielberg admitted that if the shark worked we would have seen it a lot more and then it wouldn't have been nearly as scary at the end. He understood that but then he goes out and does AI. The ego always wins.
because it is getting fucking slaughtered in the press. uh-oh. this was the film I was looking forward to most. I don't base how I feel about a film on what critics think but when a film is universally panned ...well where there is smoke there is fire if you know what I am saying.
Go to rottentomatoes.com and search for it. There are 3 or 4 reviews and they all absolutely kill the movie. The consistent criticism throughout is that there is no coherence at all. It's just a big jumble of random acts. I'm very disappointed as well but from reading prior interviews with him I saw this one coming from miles away.
I agree with your "less is more" statement. King Kong was the perfect example of creative bloat. And the reason Jaws still works all these years later is for the reason you mention. However, I think AI is the best (and most daring, provocative) Spielberg film of the last ten years. Oh, and that was a little harsh about everyone hating me. Thanks for that. If we were to argue politics, they'd love me more than you.
That voice over was a studio attempt to make the movie more low-brow for fools like you. Looks like it worked.
For pretentious wanna-be intellectual snobs like yourself. So, it's a perfect arrangement.
Usually wanky 'film-critic' types look down their noses at them. However, I think they do work well on occasion (Blade Runner, Big Lebowski etc). Blade Runner especially as that film needs some exposition/impetus. And I should know because I am a wanky film-critic who looks down my nose at most things! ;-)
Okay Rebek... I may be pretentious, but I make the cut for intellectual snob, so there's no "wanna-be" poseur here. Don't get me wrong - Hampton Fancher wrote some great stuff for that Blade Runner VO. And Ford's reading was top notch. But it's unnecessary. Which is a big problem in Hollyweird films, Donnie Darko director's cut included. Less is more. And when you mess with Ridley, you mess with the heat. But relax and give DD a little more credit for being a cool take on hypnogogia. Kudos on the witty sarcasm, though, Reb.
And this is not because of overidentification with her best role, but merely because she can't transcend it. She really is a one-note actress. Even slinging around the "fucks," she still looks and sounds like a 15-year-old from Sunnydale CA. Poor kid. Isn't she 30 now? With this role it's obvious she's the Winona Ryder of her generation -- the perrenial adolescent who ages, and ages, and ages until...pfft. I'll give this film a pass as I can still see Buffy reruns on basic cable.
And due for some appreciation. Spielberg's cult of nerds may not dig it, but as a thorough Zemeckis/Gale enthusiast - 1941 is top shelf. It really is more of a Bobs' movie in the vein of I Wanna Hold Your Hold or Used Cars - pure pandemonium. Spielberg did a bang-up job with it - it's full of great technical bravura, insane set pieces, Warren Oates, Sam Fuller, Christopher Lee, Toshiro Mifune, Slim Pickens, Christmas tree ninjas, Lenny and Squiggy, Eddie Deezen and a ventriloquist dummy, Mickey Rourke if you can spot him, racism, a completely crazed John Belushi, a Jaws parody -- any film geeks worth their salt should be frothing at the mouth for this shit. Why are we talking about this on the Kelly talkback? If SOUTHLAND is anything like 1941 - I'm fucking in. I knew there would be a SOUTHLAND backlash because it would be nothing like DARKO, a movie that never should have gotten as huge as it has - and if SOUTHLAND has that kind of crazed early Zemeckis/Gale attitude (DOMINO kind of had that going for it, and I don't care if this one talkback does discredit my taste, I liked that one too) where it's just a kitchen sink melting pot of stuff, again, I'm in.