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Merrick Thinks The ESCAPE FROM NEW YORK Remake Script Is Surprisingly ESCAPE FROM NEW YORKish!!
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Merrick here…
In a RECENT ARTICLE, I exalted early John Carpenter films…which I truly love. I love their subtext, their attitude, their style, their sound, their essence. I love them. Period.
As such, I’ve been unnerved by the parade of early Carpenter titles currently being shoved through the recycling mill. So far, we’ve gotten ASSAULT ON PRECINCT 13, THE FOG, Rob Zombie’s HALLOWEEN (reviews HERE and HERE and HERE), as well as a remake/prequel to THE THING (being scripted by Ron Moore of the current BATTLESTAR GALACTICA series). And, of course, there’s the recently announced ESCAPE FROM NEW YORK re-visitation – strategically packaged to star Gerard Butler (King Leonidas in 300). Butler would be assuming the role of disenfranchised Special Forces Operative turned master criminal S.D. “Snake” Plissken…originally portrayed by Kurt Russell.
Here’s a pic of Butler. Shaven & sans sweaty leather man diapers:
For purposes of brevity, I’ll forgo my standard, impassioned rant about how lazy and unimaginative it is for studios to be dolling out so many remakes…and how disrespectful this is to the thousands of perfectly decent original projects that go unnoticed / unmade every year. We’ll just accept this as an axiom and move on.
Instead, let’s concentrate on my theory about what legitimizes a remake…or what ingredients make for a “successful” remake. From my perspective, there are two factors that could render a remake worthwhile:
1) Do the current filmmakers demonstrate a respect for/understanding of the source material they’re drawing from?
2 Do whatever NEW elements filmmakers bring to a remake a) Feel like organic extensions of the story they’re remaking, or b) Help realize qualities that couldn’t be brought to the screen the first time around (due to budgetary limitations, social restraints, or…whatever)?
Which brings us back to the script for New Line’s currently-in-development remake of ESCAPE FROM NEW YORK (herein EFNY). Does it meet the above criteria? Surprisingly enough…bewilderingly enough...and I never thought I’d say this…ever...SO FAR...YES!!!
Quite a few SPOILERS will appear in the evaluation below, even though it’s a script that’s likely to change a bit before a single frame of the EFNY redux is lensed. For those wishing to remain spoiler free, here’s a quick summation: the remake script is a surprisingly faithful adaptation of John Carpenter and Nick Castle’s source material – frequently lifting entire sequences, even word-for-word dialogue exchanges, from the original film. It is extremely similar structurally. THE PREMISE IS IDENTICAL.
This is a HUGE project – expansive in scale. Many elements from the 1982 film have been drastically embiggened, and significantly amped up (including military shenanigans & the political ramifications of the President being held captive in a prison). As written, the EFNY remake would be a hard “R” rating with carnage, decapitations, and dismemberments aplenty. A VERY “80s” style of in-your-face, balls-to-the-wall violence runs throughout the script. I would LOVE for New Line to not chicken out on these elements, and allow some “oomph” to be put onscreen. A lot of us out here are missing it, you know?
The very first thought that jumped into my mind after reading this script? This EFNY has jackass politicians, frequently touches on media coverage / societal ridiculousness, makes some very pointed analogies / criticisms of the United States & its place in the world, and has tons of “Oh, my god” action & violence. Someone should go overseas, club Paul Verhoeven over the head, drag his ass back to the States, and unleash him on this project. It feels like vintage Verhoeven; and I believe there’s a place for that…a need for that…in the increasingly safe, unchallenging cinema marketplace these days. Come to think of it, George Miller could do it, too. Since he's struggling to get MAD MAX: FURY ROAD off the ground, maybe...
Enough of my pitiful, fanboy dreaming & onto the nitty gritty.
HEAVY SPOILERS AHEAD!!!
EVEN THOUGH SOME OF THIS MAY CHANGE BEFORE FILMING, SOME OF IT MAY NOT BE CHANGED!!!
TURN BACK NOW TO REMAIN VIRGINAL ABOUT THE EFNY REMAKE!!!
Okay, here we go…
Who wrote the new EFNY?
Ken Nolan. BLACK HAWK DOWN.
How similar is it to the original film?
Extremely.
Structurally, thematically, and in many details - this is nearly identical to Carpenter’s 1981 movie. Much original material has been broadened and enhanced (more on this below). Script is notable not for what’s missing, but for what has been retained (and expanded). Many sequences are identical to original film – including the same dialogue.
When's it set?
Around / after 2024. A title card reads "NOW". Gotta love it.
I wish SF films would stop attaching a firm "time". Doing so means they'll automatically "expire", and invites annoying scrutiny ("Hey, 2001 has come and gone & the movie was wrong about a lot of things, wasn't it?!?")
What characters appear in this new version?
Most of the characters in the original are present – serving the same functions. Hauk, Rheme, The Young Doctor who injects the exploding capsules into Snake’s neck, The President of the United States, The Duke of New York & his sidekick Romero are all there. Other familiar subordinates & archetypes also appear.
Who didn't get ported over from the original film?
There is no “Cabbie” character in this version. His function has been assumed by “Squirrel”. Squirrel is (more or less) an assistant to Brain & feels like a John Leguizamo role. Squirrel drives around a Brink’s truck, which crushes people real good.
Maggie (Adrienne Barbeau’s role), Brain’s squeeze. No counterpart.
The Chock Full ‘O’ Nuts Girl. Missing, no counterpart for the character or her sequence.
Brain is not already known to Snake in this version. Their interactions are quite similar, though.
There are probably others, but these spring to mind immediately.
Merrick, you say some of the original sequences have been “embiggened”. Give us some examples, you asshole!
The hijacking of Air Force One is now presented in greater detail; how its captors got on board & whatnot. The seizure of the plane is fully dramatized via a fevered firefight between the hijackers & Secret Service, explosive decompression of the plane, etc.
The actual CRASH of Air Force One is shown much more fully & spectacularly. We see many shots of NYC denizens looking skyward as the disabled plane powers between the city's skyscrapers, evoking 9/11. Air Force One’s final demise is actually seen on-screen this time (it was confined to a computer simulation in the original) and recalls the “object lesson” sequence in DIE HARD 2.
Many scenes with the “Crazies” (whose presentation suggests FIREFLY’s “Reavers” - i.e. savagely disturbed, deranged, and cannibalistic) have been boosted significantly. Scenes describe HUNDREDS of them on-screen at once. Fighting, chasing, dying, etc. The Crazies are a source of constant irritation and jeopardy, and also serve as generic cannon fodder throughout.
You say ideas have been expanded, elements added. Tell me more!
** The protracted opening narration of the film takes us through the immediate future history of the United States – visualized via documentary footage, news snippets, and snapshots . We see the “wall” being built, initially to keep out rising sea levels. Ultimately, nation-wide discord (and NYC becoming increasingly unlivable) results in the wall being wrapped around Manhattan as part of a social experiment / new approach to criminal justice. Manhattan Island Supermax is born.
** We see numerous FLASHBACKS of Snake Plissken running Black Ops overseas. These recur throughout much of the movie. They tie in to some new twists and turns involving the President, but I think Plissken’s character is undercut by having elements of his background / the seeds for his contempt over explained. Mystery…simplicity…is a potent device for storytelling and character. The overall essence of Plissken remains intact, but feels a touch diluted. Not knowing him was a bit more fun, more pure, and a lot more dangerous.
**The Duke of New York broadcasts Snake’s gladiatorial match to a mortified outside world – during primetime.
**One sequence gives us mass carnage of prisoners; incredible casualties. Hundreds and hundreds are slaughtered before our eyes, unapologetically.
** Ever wonder what it would look like if well-outfitted Government Forces clashed with thousands of armed inmates on the streets of NYC?
By the way, Plissken is no longer a warrior who surived combat in Russia / Soviet Union. He’s now served time in the Middle East (Afghanistan). The Middle East, America’s involvement there, and how what we’re doing there affects our place in the world more or less drives this film’s political commentary. I don’t know that I like this: I think EFNY’s overall relevance comes from its societal perspective - which certainly includes, but doesn't necessarily emphasize - political relevance.
Merrick, what are your favorite NEW elements?
** Snake pausing for a quiet moment to appreciate the tragedy of New York’s downfall.
** A sequence (intercut during a lengthy opening narration) showing the arrival of a prisoner called Clarence Dukemajian. He arrives with a barge load of convicts, pauses to survey the NYC skyline before him. All the other inmates around him see struggle and uncertainty. Clarence sees…opportunity. When we see him again later, he’s The Duke of New York.
** There’s much more external involvement in Snake’s rescue operation this time: including lethal (and spectacular) air support!!!.
What’s are the biggest new elements in the film?
**LOTS of detailed military stuff; many kinds of planes put to various uses & a great deal of tech. All help to ground the film in a sense of reality.
** There are many new action sequences (including a rather large road chase that feels like an homage to THE ROAD WARRIOR).
** More substantively: there’s a government “conspiracy” injected into the second half of the film (involving whether or not the President should even be rescued at all). It dramatically changes our perception of the story, and brings a bit more substance, angst, and edge to Plissken’s begrudging cooperation. Part of this involves a bad-ass Navy SEAL team that’s inserted when The Powers That Be feel Plissken is taking too long to bring out the President.
Merrick, is there anything about this script you didn’t like?
The end is too over-the-top, involving a big, effects driven set piece that comes from out of nowhere, starts in an almost comical way, and doesn’t feel entirely congruous with the tone of the film up to that point. A hint: imagine an extremely similar sequence to the scene in which Snake’s being pulled up the wall at the end of Carpenter's film…then mix it with the watery finale of INDIANA JONES AND THE TEMPLE OF DOOM. It’s kinda weird.
The AMERICAN BANDSTAND theme is (disappointingly but understandably) replaced here. A more iconic substitute should be found. What's there is a little silly.
"I heard you were dead", one of my favorite conceits from the original film, is absent. Although, it's replaced with a recurring line that's almost as amusing.
Believe it or not, I’m leaving OUT many, many details…and haven’t even scraped the surface of the notes I took when reading the script. But, I think all of this gives you a really good sense of what this new ESCAPE FROM NEW YORK is all about. Where it’s coming from, and how it thinks.
What impresses me most here is Nolan’s almost slavish devotion to Carpenter’s original material. It’s not a begrudging devotion, either. It’s respect.
In fact, teeny, tiny details from the original were not only detected, but augmented here. For example, while Plissken is being processed in the opening of the 1981 version, there’s a background announcement offering inmates the option to "terminate" instead of getting shipped to Manhattan. This nuance actually becomes a set piece in the new script. It's an "immolation chamber"!
There's little here that undercuts anything the original film was trying to accomplish. The screenplay's greatest missteps are already enumerated above:
1) The finale feels way out of place with the film around it. It's a classic case of a storyline consistently ratcheting up its jeopardy to the point where the writer has no choice but to become unhinged. But, it's excessive & seems a little disingenuous in its tone.
2) Seeding EFNY with constant references to America's Middle East activities / policies certainly brings the film a sense of relevance...but it makes it too relevant, too immediate. Approaching this element more allegorically (and less literally) would smooth things out a bit, I think.
3) Grounding Snake's past / America's (future) crises in the Middle East strips EFNY (and the Plissken character) of a substantial part of their mythology. Middle Eastern conflicts are real, and happening now, and might still be going on when the film's date rolls around. There's nothing mythological about a real scenario that's already happening. Resetting the flashbacks / war references to a more esoteric, abstract locale (a la the original film's references to Leningrad and Siberia) might imbue the rewrite with a sense of breadth and myth that it's missing.
So, there you have it. The possibility of hope for a project that many (including myself) had already set out to roundly condemn. Snake & Co. still face many pitfalls on their way back to the screen, not the least of which are pesky little considerations like the choice of director. Find someone too slick, for example, and the script's grit and raw vitality will be severely undercut. Find someone too tepid, for example, and its visceral abandon will be both meaningless and ineffective. That's tricky as hell.
Some damn fool announcement may come down soon that makes me hate this project all over again. For the moment, however...if this remake HAS TO HAPPEN...it feels like The Snake abides. And not only does he abide, he's kicking a little ass, too.
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What won't they remake?
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unfortunately.
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I'd bet you anything that sometime in the next twenty years. They WILL remake Star Wars...
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This script sounds pretty good. And this is from someone who hasn't seen any of the Carpenter remakes yet. Ditto on the Verhoven recommendation.
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the hottest new video director of 2008. 170 million dollars later, it does pretty well in theaters, and is a big seller with fat guys at Target. 2 years later, nobody cares.
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If it ain't Kurt, I don't want to see it. It'd be like using a Corvette to play the part of Herbie the Love Bug. Well, that's backwards, but I'm sure you get the point.
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gerard butler would make a good Max now that Mel is out.
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I trust Ron Moore. I dunno bout this one though.
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Not talking politics here really. But the MAD MAX: FURY ROAD was set to go, with Mel returning, but was then axed when the Iraq "war" started... due to inability to film in certain planned international locations and what not. This from the mouth of George Miller himself.
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I'm a huge fan of all the the early John Carpenter movies. This is a director who was on one hell of a roll for about 12 straight years. At his best he was all about entertaining the audience and Escape From New York did just that. Snake Plisken was a great character but I always felt that Escape From LA, while a guilty pleasure, was not a worthy sequel. Kurt did a great job, but let's not forget that even he admitted he was doing basically doing a Clint Eastwood impersonation. I like what Gerard Butler did in 300, but what I really like is that he seems to have some grittiness to his real-life personality. With the right director this could be a damn good movie and a great way to bring Snake back. I'm not sure I agree with the Paul Verhoven recommendation though. Robocop and Total Recall are 2 of the best action movies around but his style can be a little too over-the-top at times. He was pretty much making crap until Black Book which is one of the best movies I saw last year that nobody in America seems to know about. Escape From New York needs someone can combine the grittiness and action with a little commentary that isn't heavy handed. The unfortunate part is that there doesn't exactly seem to be a lot of great action directors right now. Outside of Zach Snyder, who's all wrong for this, I can't really think of an up-and-coming director who could make this movie the way it needs to be made(meaning nothing like that horrible Assault On Precinct 13 remake!!!).
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in redoing it. why can't people just come up with new material ? soon there will be no new actors. the studios will just be rehashing dead people with pixar because its much safer to do so.
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the socio-politico deets are what always need to be commented on in this place we call a country. W/o movies like this the youngins don't get that bit'o politics that they need to see to show them where this place is goin'. Shit, Canada oughta build a wall with that intruder stopper from Lost all up and down. Robocop, EFNY, Blade Runner all point out that for the most part we're already there, now wake the fuck up.
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OK...SNAKE... no Surfer Peter Fonda?
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I'm still waiting for it. Plus the Snake Plisskin novels, and another comic series that Hurricane was working on.
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just finished watching my 15 year old recorded vhs copy of big trouble in little china. where the hell is that sequel? they could still do it! come on!
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I love the original, and I see no reason to remake it. However, I don't inherently hate remakes. I just wish they were good. So far, this one seems to be on the right track. It won't be Snake, though, without Kurt. They better give him a bad ass cameo at the very least.
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Which means that any and all good elements will be removed and re-written. No way on earth this thing will be R-rated.
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The music should be electronic vintage synth / drum machine based, not the orchestral shit used for EFLA.
I agree with the review that setting up the war in Middle East is a VERY BAD MOVE. LENINGRAD IS THE SHIT. COLD, SNOW, is way more efficient on the screen, than sunny desert.
They better change that, or this is gonna sucks period. BRING BACK THE LENINGRAD MYTHOLOGY.
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Yeah, the PUnisher remake from Johnatan Henseligh already used the middle east origin flash back thing in the extended edition, and as the reviewer says, it strips all mythology from Plissken character. LENINGRAD should be back.
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No Russel means no me in a seat. Download this beeyotch!!! Stop the remakes!!! Id' rather see sequels than remakes!
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anyway, it as no relevance. Frank Miller and Georges Bush and Oliver North will nuke the middle east very soon, saying it was Sadam's fault that he built a nuclear weapon that accidentely went off when discovered by some youngsters playing. Bring back Leningrad.
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As a remake I won't watch it. Give it a different title, change the story and the names a bit (I didn't read the script) and show as a brand new film we can bitch about how much it stole from EFNY. Remaking a classic, which still works, is disrespectful. If you had respect, you would clean up the original and bring back to the big screen. For those youngfuls who didn't see the original, the name EFNY doesn't mean shit, so they just don't care about that name. I do.
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I read somewhere that the Snake Plissken game was cancelled. They did come out with a 3 part comic book series though.
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If it's better than the original : drop Plissken being wounded (it slows the movie down) and in fact, it would be better with a different structure.
Let's act 1 being the Leningrad (fuck the middle east) origin, showing how Snake lost his eye, and how, conned by the US govt, he becomes an outlaw. End act one with the bank robbery. That's, like Casino Royale structure, 50 mn of film.
Then act 2/3 is him doing the new york rescue thing compressed down (drop the fight in the arena, the wound, all that shit), finish with Plissken triggering WW3. Now, that's a movie I want to see, with the character having an arc. Flashbacks are shit, they detract from the main plot. -
lose the flashbacks and I'm there. I hate flashbacks.
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I wanna see the movie opening with Plissken and his rescue team infiltrating Leningrad with the gliders, taking the hostage back, only to discover they have been had by the US governement as their mission is a decoy.
The are all killed while retreating, and Nerve gas is all over. Snakes googles crack on the left eye, and he his blinded. Still he manages to ESCAPE FROM LENINGRAD. He can't stand light from now on. Forced to wear the eyepatch. Snake confront his superiors, but is court martialed instead. Snake escapes, goes to see his parents, only to find their house have been confiscated by the US govt, and his parents killed by the United States police force as retribution. In rage, Snakes blows up a SWAT car with a molotov cocktail, kills all USPF he sees, and disappears.
Montage : Snake's rampage have make the TV news saying Snake is still on the run, he is now hailed by the populace as a hero, tracked by blurry TV news footage. We follow his exploits in a montage. Snake is the ultimate anarchist, sabotaging everything he can in the USA, always making his escape uncaught. The TV says Snake may have been killed in Cleveland when a building was blown off by the USPF to track him. 200 civilians were killed, and they pin it on him, but Actually Snake is actually alive and escaped. People know the news are all fake. Making the bank robbery with his friend, Snake is caught. At the same time, the president's plane is hijacked. The country is going into chaos.
Now, we switch to EFNY mode. Let's drop the fat from the original movie, and make the rest one hour of Plissken "I heard you were dead" trying to rescue the president while his clock timebomb tick. Drop all the CGI "dawn of the dead remake" crap, let's put the money where it needs to be, one hour of intense suspensful countdown as Snakes tries to make it before he is dead. Now, here's the damn movie I want to see, not some overblown CGI riddled remake ! if New Line wants to contact me for a rewrite, (yeah, I actually have some uncredited movie rewrites under my belt) email snakeplissken2024@hotmail.fr, I'll be happy to help :) -
Harry Mushed up by Prime's Innards. Awesome.
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For those of you who can't wait until this remake comes out, seek out "Banlieau 13" (or also known as "B13"), it is an unofficial french sequel or remake of EFNY, and not a bad one to boot! Quite possibly the BEST ACTION MOVIE I saw last year. The stunts are AMAZING.
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The Namco game was canceled. As were the novels. Both of them were going to jump all around the timeline. The Battle of Lenningrad. How Snake lost his eye. What happened during the 17 years between New York and LA. The Anime was being done by Production IG who did Ghost in the Shell and the anime sequence in Kill Bill. That was going to take place after the events in Escape from LA. Kurt Russell was going to lend his voice and likeness and John Carpenter was going to provide music. Unfortunately everything seemed to have stopped when Debra Hill passed away. It would have been cool. The comics did come out as a 4 part series that took place the day after Escape from New York in Atlantic City. Unfortunately those we're published by Crossgen who went out of business so I doubt there will be any more.
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i think a 3D animated series or movie sounds WAY better than this remake. a remake will clearly kill the series, at least as we know it. Snake will be this new guy and whatever he does with the character, good or bad. we will NEVER see a 2nd sequel to the original... we will not even be able to hope it will happen! i think the whole deal sounds retarded... why EFNY? why not an original work INSPIRED by EFNY? asswipes!!!
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I´m not buying a remake of this film. Snake Plissken = Kurt Russell. Enough of bullshit.
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So that he takes the mantle from Snake and has many new (PG-13) adventures after the two sequels to this remake.
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*GUNSHOT* anyone who did not like Escape from LA. That movie was a cool satire.
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we all know that however good the script is, the final product will not be as good! Why? The usual suspects will step in to tone done the content, remove anything radical and maximize the viewing appeal. Expect PG-13 people.
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Let's face it, Kurt created the character with Carpenter and Castle, we now live in another world. As with many Carpenter movies, the promise / premise is better than the actual final product. Don't get me wrong, I did Carpenter early stuff, but they all had great ideas that somehow lost their focus, until the climax made it worthy. Assault is his best movie anyway. Now, having seen the worthless Assault remake, waiting to see the H1 remake, I can understand why you feel frustrated. And reading the script report, I can understand your fear. They only miss Zack Snyder to make it GUNSHOT. Let them hire me instead, I'll fight for the remake integrity tooth and nail snakeplissken2024@hotmail.fr
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I did kind of have a soft spot for EFLA, apart from the awful music and the fact that snake fights are unlike the real snake (the real snake only need to hit you once, he doesn't get engaged into endless fistfights, like a cobra, he strikes once, and you're either KO or dead).
Also EFLA fails in regard to the gunfire, trying to be Terminator like, when Snake only uses silencers and is directly lethal with one shot. The surgeron general sequence was fine, but they didn't film the gunfight when Snake is mowing them down before going in the severs. They are hundreds of badly done things in EFLA, and some really good things also.
The point is, Carpenter and Russel already did remake their great first movie, and it failed. So we don't need a straight, CGI ridden remake, we need as Carpenter as stated in interviews, a real origin story, incorporating the EFNY storyline, ie something different, that like CR or BB restart the franchise for more than one movie.
Anyway the point is, the script as reviewed above makes up "modernisation", with overblown decapitations, armies of people killed etc... let's face it, Snake could never witness all this, all he cares about is his mission. The should stick with his point of view while he is there, and make it slicker. Since it will be rated PG13 anyway, all this useless CGI killings should begone.
About the middle east thing, it's already part of Snake's world, as the war originally started from the middle east. The point is, this war got all the three big nations (europe, russia, america) at war with each other, and the president is on his way to a peace summit to threaten worlwide annihilation unless the other two comply. It's important in this era of Bush and fake elections, to show the president a a complete bastard (like the real US president is). That's why we need another Plissken movie, not so see some CGI armies getting killed, or to slavishly copy the original (which has no point), but to make america face their future with a clever, intelligent, fast paced, nightmarish, action ridden flick that will send nerds in hardon frenzy. Remember when McClane turned around, and "I hate niggers" was painted on his board ? The whole theater cheered, the white, the blacks, everybody had a grin up to the ears. That's the kind of Plissken movie we need now, not some Rob Zombie overblown bombastic noisy nothing with gore. -
give it to Tarantino please
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I don't know how much they paid Nolan to copy cut the original script from the internet and make up his new script with 50% only new stuff, but anyway I'm cheaper, and I have more original ideas. Please New Line snakeplissken2024@hotmail.fr and remember the good things in the Assault remake, came from french writers.
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trapped in N.Y...
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Excellent ! "We have the Nucular weapons"
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Unless it stars Shia LarBarf, Jason Biggs, Tara Reid, and is directed by Tim Story. Then it would be ok.
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So it's a bit hypocritical to preach against anyone doing a 'remake' of a remake of "The Thing From Another World". Otherwise, I agree with the article. I am almost always against remakes. Occassionally, you'll find a remake of a bad movie that is done very, very well. But, in general, I think even attempting to remake an original movie is like shouting to the world, "I can do this movie better than the original crew did." In reality, all it says is, "I have no creativity, so I have to steal someone elses idea."
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How about they DON'T remake Escape from New York (to hell with acronyms) and they go ahead with a filmitization of Metal Gear Solid?There's enough backstory, plot and pseudo-development of characters in place to make a great action flick, should the right people be attached.
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I’m with Merrick on this one. I never thought I’d say it about a John Carpenter remake but this project cannot happen soon enough for me. By gum, I like things embiggened sometimes.
*** Godspeed Mr. Siegle ***
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I'm out.I knew this was a driving force, but neither writer or producer had the balls to admit it. Fuck them.
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Anyone caring about living in american, should realise it's time to react. Your president sent two planes crashing into the WTC, for god sake, and then blamed Al Quaeda just so that he could declare war. It's time to wake. We need Snake back.
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Michael Clarke Duncan as The Duke of New York? Or would that be too Kingpin-ish for him? And since Malcolm McDowell is already taking on one Donald Pleasance role in a Carpenter remake, he might as well play the President in this.
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One: Doesn't the extensions to the original sound like they're turning it into 24: The Movie? Conspiracy against the President? Hey, how about Powers Boothe?
Two: "Ever wonder what it would look like if well-outfitted Government Forces clashed with thousands of armed inmates on the streets of NYC?" -- I don't really have to wonder, because Children of Men did something similar. Now, it'd be interesting if someone else besides Cuaron directed and provided a differing POV (and removed the blood from the camera lens), but it has been done, imo.
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Although I guess it's probable KS ripped it off of something else.
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what do they say? I have to know!
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now!"
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I heard you're drinking *product placement* now!
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Jun 30, 2007 9:43:59 AM CDT
I'm not totally against remakes, so EFNY could be good.
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Hey, remakes have been around since the ancient Greeks staged plays. Nearly all of Shakespeare's plays were remakes of previously existing works, including other plays. Even golden age Hollywood was remake happy; the Maltese Falcon was remade a couple of times up until they got it right with the Bogart version.
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It will probably by PG-13 so the new line is "I heard you were mildly injured"
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That will be the line
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Because no matter how you look at it, remakes are unnecessary. If they are carbon copies of the original, why bother? If they are too different, they ruin the image of the original...
Dawn of the Dead was a good remake because it had the same feel but had it's own significant differences. It was very different and very much the same, which is why it was great unlike most remakes. As with King Kong, no matter what you think of it, it was acceptable because of the new CGI that was capable to reimagine the story.
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What's next? A remake of Vampires? Or is it too soon?
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D'oh
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It will be call Alien. Wait...
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I cannot believe you guys have Captivity ads on the site after Harry's rant about the ad campaign!
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Why bring in new talent? Escape From LA had its moments but it was just too tame overall. There was no real "Ooomf!" (graphic violence). Carpenter owns the character of Snake and if this movie sucks ass, he's partially to blame for being a complete sell-out.
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If not it would have to have been set in the 1980's (not opposed to that) to have been a veteran of Vietnam. I agree though that if this script changes a few things (The apparent bad conclusion and middle east conflict refferences) we could have an awesome flick. Hell,give it to Cronenberg, he did great with A History of Violence,and he can add that unpolished 80's feel to it. He might be too visceral, as long as it dosen't go to anyone with the initial's W.S we're ok.
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"I heard you were someone's bitch in prison"
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Yeah!!! Another heavy handed movie about how horrible we are as a nation and people!!! Sweet!!!! Another remake of a movie that does not need to be remade!!!!!!! Can't wait!!!!!! Let's rush out and give them our money now, why wait, so they can film extra scenes of how selfish and stupid we dumb American's are!!!!!! And can't wait to see a movie with a plane being hijacked and crashing into New York skyscrapers!!!!! Best part is our hollywood actors are made up of such effiminate, MTV TRL,scrawney, pussies that once again we have to go overseas to find the equivilant of an American 80's action star!!!! Can't wait!!!!! And more CGI over the top expolsions, in your face action, thats what the original needed!!! Yeah that subtle terror with ample doses of great action in the original was way off!! More loud explosions more in our face, less restraint with scarry payoffs!!! Watch Escape from NY again and tell me there is any reason what so ever that it needs to be remade!!!! Bullshit!!
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and what's the replacement for the cassette? do we have snake passing a magnet over an mp3 player?
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But where will we get our dose of exquisitely oversized breasts? Too many action movie females with small breasts lately. It's disappointing.
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They should just give Kurt all the advantages that they are thinking of giving this remake (ie. decent budget). He's willing to do another film, and his attachment would automatically lend the film credibility with fans. Also, it's not as though he would require a massive salary or would be opposed to sequels. Fuck these boring remakes. The idea of copying a 20+ year old film isn't interesting. Let's see some more "further adventures" of these characters ala Indy/Rambo 4.
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If I get the writing assignment from New Line, I'll bring the most esquisite oversized breast out there in LA to star in the filming. Casting couch tonight at 10.
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I mean, give me one good reason this should be made?
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Not that I can recall. New Line's hiring Butler cause he is still cheap I'm sure, and based on the selling point of 300. The original was pretty low budget for the scope and cast involved. They'll probably hire that director that did The Nest ( a nifty Assualt on 13 premise ), and that meh Hostage with Bruce Willis. Again, to save money. Any thought of bringing in an A-list director is simply out of the equation.
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Surely Cronenberg "understood" the original, and surely they couldn't do the effects in the remake in the 50s, but those lameass criteria don't fit. Cronenberg and writers took the concept, made a completely different movie, made one both more technically advanced and simply better than the original. Seriously, I would rather see a completely different take on a concept in a remake than the same scenes repeated, the same movie with added shit. Merrick's dumbass two criteria could be said to apply to all of the worst remakes too.
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Butler is forever going to be associated with unnecessary hollering. I'm sorry but 300 sucked because of it.
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Damn, that butler has pretty eyes. Shame that he'll have to lose one.
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and called it Eragon
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about this new project, I just hope they dont screw it up. Also, I hope they give us a little more info about Fresno Bob.
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And Kurt Russell was laughing, so it must be okay. Wonder if they could make him the President? Would he have to kill himself after that?
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I can't imagine anyone else really. I wonder if Kurt Russell would make any appearance as the Police Commissioner or something.
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That hack of a producer is responsible for XXX2, Tokyo Drift, 2 fast 2 furious, Stealth, and Torque. Do I wanna see Snake riding around in a car going so fast he turns into a CGI blob. No! Do I wanna see a PG-13 Escape from New York, with a nu-metal soundtrack? Hell no!
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Snake Plissken = Kurt Russell. To try and remake this film at all shows NO FUCKING RESPECT! Some things don't deserve to be remade! Hey, let's remake The Godfather, or, The Shootist (Will Smith can play John Wayne dying of cancer) blah, blah, blah, BULLSHIT! Some people will never learn that some characters are stamped forever with the actors that made them, made them their own. Indiana Jones IS Harrison Ford, Snake Plissken IS Kurt Russell. The Beatles are who they are and anything else is a cover/tribute band. There is nothing wrong with cover/tribute bands, because they are not stupid enough and disrespectful enough to pretend to be the real thing.
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Both female characters removed. More men added. Sounds pretty homosexual to me. I'll watch my dvd, thanks.
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That little fuck ruins every movie he's in.
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Jun 30, 2007 8:54:43 PM CDT
I am going to have say I am not intersted. Only 1 Snake
by allpowerfulwizardofoz
I agree with the person who said only one person can play Snake. Kurt Russell is Snake and it's just a cheap easy way for Hollywood once again to make another dollar on something that was awesome because it was original because they've run out of good ideas. Truly sad. Going forward this will now be know as EINO... Escape In Name Only.
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a thumbs up? New Line will fuck this up. Plus, I'll always have a hard spot for Kurt Russell in this role.
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Jun 30, 2007 9:00:54 PM CDT
Have Dwayne Johnson play Ash in the new Evil Dead
by allpowerfulwizardofoz
after all that's going to be remade too. Who else could play Ash but The Rock. That's going to be remade as well and that would be the only person who could play Ash but still it doesn't need to be remade. Just like EINO does not need to be remade. It's pointless. Just do an re-release that is remastered of these classics. What's next? Star Wars? Then there's Goodfellas, yeah lets remake Goodfellas and don't forget the Godfather while we're at. Good lord that films been out long enough that it's time for a remake. But who will play the Don? How about Alan Thicke? Yeah he'd be a good choice.
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I REALLY DON'T LIKE THIS IDEA. I HOPE ALL WHO WHERE INVOLVED WITH THIS SCRIPT, INCLUDING MERRICK, GET ANAL RAPED IN HELL BY JUDAS, BRUTUS AND CASSIUS WHILE BEING CHEWED IN SATAN'S MOUTH.
I know it's a bit harsh, but the liberals who re-wrote this script deserve it, especially Merrick for liking it. Gerald Butler just lost all Conservative credit with me from 300. The original script was Libertarian in philosophy. These douche bags made it part of the "Bush/Conservative Derangement Syndrome" liberal doctrine. Oh, the humanity. They even throw in "global warming". GLOBAL DOESN'T EXIST WARMING. Wow. I'm just beside myself.
Oh well. I'll just have to watch Air Force One. Again, and again. And again.
Oh, and to you liberals who don't like this post. GO FUCK YOURSELVES. I'm off to Libertas.
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What's the point, fairies?
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Now let's hand this bad boy over to Michael Bay. Post haste!
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Jun 30, 2007 9:42:36 PM CDT
I actually can't believe they'd spring for all those FX
by spandau belly
I mean, this is a cult property. This script sounds like Waterworld, which tried to remake Mad Max with the budget of Titanic, only there was no way a post-apocalyptic bad ass story would ever have enough appeal to make back that kind of money. I doubt all this visual stuff with hundreds of extras will actually get approval. However it's sweet of these screenwriters to dream and aim big.
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Jun 30, 2007 9:51:40 PM CDT
and yeah, fuck this anti-Bush anti-Iraq/Afganistan shit
by spandau belly
I realize you Americans are having a really hard time accepting Bush and his policies but for fuck's sake, the guy's term is almost up he'll be gone soon. But every time you watch a movie or listen to an album released during his reign you'll be reminded of him and all the artists who tried to cash in on anti-Bush sentiment!Also, the rest of the world loves Snake Plisken and wants a movie we can relate to about simple internationally relatable badassedness. I didn't vote for Bush. He's not my president. My country's army isn't in Iraq. I don't give a fuck! Leave this shit to George Clooney so I know not to see it. Don't smuggle your domestic political debates out in the trojan horse of Snake Plissken movie.
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It was released in 1981.
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EFNY is fair game for a remake(RR is not bc it is perfect) and I think J-Butler could be a badass Snake Plissken...but, they gotta keep it Hard R or they can piss off. And why not make a movie called "Snake Plissken" and the sequl can be EfNY. If you're going for the big dollars do it right dammit!
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At least try, whore.
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I'm going to save this movie arse ! Russell will be hired as the president, it's going to be to the original what John Carpenter The Thing was to the original !
New Liner people email snakeplissken2024@hotmail.fr
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But I found both of the movies to be pretty average. In my view the character hasn't realised his full potential. However, I believe that potential would stand a better chance of being fulfilled in a Russell/Carpenter Escape From Earth, than a presumably generic remake starring whatshisface.
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That Carpenter synthesizer melody is the best thing about this franchise.
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Waterworld had a lot more problems than being post apocalyptic. Kevin Costner trying to be Mel Gibson was one of them. The other was a much weaker script and director than The Road Warrior. If the movie had been better (and more original instead of a ripoff) I'm sure it would have been more popular also.
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only not at all?
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It is idiotic, ignorant, brainwashed, moronic, tunnel-visioned, bile-spraying jingoist American cunts like you that make so many of us outside the USA suspicious and hateful of "America".
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Well since we all know Punisher 2 is gonna blow, maybe this and John Rambo will make adequate substitutes?!
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Waterworld was a crappy movie. As a fan of post-apocalyptic badass movies such as Mad Max and The Omega Man, I was in what these suits call "the target demographic" and still thought it was crappy. But you have to agree with me that movies like Mad Max, 12 Monkeys, The Omega Man are never going to have the huge mainstream appeal of generic action movies about cops and terrorists or whatever. They may turn profit, and I'll keep loving them, but the suits know not to splash out for huge sets and FX like suggested in this script because they know films in this genre will rarely do that well. I just hope that they go for quality over quantity and if they can't afford to do all these scenes well, then cut them instead of springing for cheapy CG.And yeah Memories, I liked the original EFNY but did always want to see more of this interesting world. And for me also, this film could go either way. I realize a lot of the talkbackers on here hold this film sacred, and that's fine, but I guess seeing as I have frequently imagined other parts of this future it will be interesting to see somebody else approach this materiel. But this fucking bullshit about disillusionment over Middle East conflicts has got to fucking go! It'll be dated by next week. Might as well throw in some Bill Clinton blowjob jokes and a Judge Ito reference while you're at it. Sheesh.
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If the studio is so hell-bent on a movie about a down and out NYC living in anarchy, why not a new property? There is a wonderful comic book by Brian Wood called "DMZ" that takes place during a modern US Civil War where both sides of the conflict are sitting on opposite sides of Manhattan Island. People stuck in the middle and all of that. It has great action, great political commentary and potential for a franchise, if a studio is looking for it. Dang. Get Spike to direct it and we are off and running. The bastards. Leave EFNY alone.
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Jason Bateman IS Snake Plissken!!!
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He is against everything.
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No mention of music, would'nt be EFNY is they did'nt use Carpenter/Howarth's theme and refer to some of that great synth music and go for that desolate analogue vibe of the original score. The jacked up scale, scenario tweaks sound impressive, time will tell if it all lives up to the hyperbole. I'm still finding it hard to hear Butler rasping like Kurt Russel doing Clint, I don't think he can sound like anything other than a Scotsman! His broague fit 300, but it's tough act to fill Russel's shoes (they should'nt deviate from his 'don't give a fuck' nihilism and terse attitude to 'da man'). I'm excited, but I still have reservations, we've been down this Carpenter remake road before with some pretty lack lustre results (inspite of similar pre-prod evangelism and vows of reverence to the core source material). As for the likes of Miller and Verhoven helming, that would instill a shitload more confidence amongst many of the geek brethren, good call there Merrick.
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a proper hairy arsed Aussie/Kiwi not some poncey L.A flavour of the month (I mean Paul fucking Walker, c'mon)
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Your sub-panto-school of acting is not needed.
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or Len Wiseman. Or DJ Caruso. Or how about that dude who did Stomp the Yard (isn't he directing every fanboy project these days?) You think the suits even remember who Verheoven is? These pricks only give jobs to people who had a hit last week. Or at least some indie director they can push around. It's WAY too easy to play armchair producer these days.
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It'll be Pg-13 no doubt.
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Then you should watch a little movie called Mad Max 2: The Road Warrior for comparrison, and you'll see what the fuzz is.
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Yeah well that subgenre is a bit like horror movies in the way that it has a narrow but faithful audience. Although just like horror movies, if there's one made that is really, really good and has a wide appeal it could still sell. It's happened before with space movies and fantasy movies. But anyway, post apocalyptics tend to be better on a lower budget because without large sweeping crane shots and CGI they look more real.
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To be made into a prison is ludicrous considering the economic losses. If it was somehow rendered unlivable by radiation or biological agents it would be too cruel to put criminals there. Or if it was filled with rage infected zombies it'd be cruel not to nuke it.
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you're right - let's not make the movie afterall.
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I detest all remakes but this one is especially gratuitous; ditto a THING remake, which will be a patchwork of CGI.
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how can you say you detest all remakes including a Thing remake? The Thing IS a remake! Argh. MY HEAD A SPLODE.
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Nope, not even close. The '51 version is a character-driven melodrama (other variables: significant female role, zip f/x). The Carpenter translation is modern Grand Guignol, an abstract nightmare. The only thing both films have in common is the source material ("Who Goes There?"). By the way, George Clooney--approx. 8 years ago--proposed a "live" TV drama based on the same story. Apparently, he copped out.
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ultra sex/violence, worked with Arnie before, MAKE IT SO.
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Just kidding
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The bleak dystopian future has become a cliche'. EFNY should be NOW- an alternate timeline. Soviet Union struggled on to the late 1990s supporting Middle East dictatorships or whatever, no Gulf War, but WW3 with limited Nuclear Exchange in 1997 or so. Revolution and civil war in Soviet Union cause collapse of communist regime, US invades thats why Snake was in Leningrad and Siberia. Pyrrhic victory for USA because missles did hit US in the limited nuclear war causing anarchy among the populace, major cities are walled off and turned into prisons. The present day is no golden age of mankind but Snake Plissken's alternate universe is really fucked up!
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If any actor should get to take over from Russell in this iconic role, it should be Josh Holloway...not Butler. Butler was great in *300* but I don't think he's the right choice here. Then again, what do I know. They'll probably give the role to Heath Ledger anyway.
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I'm fascinated to see how this one turns out. The story itself is ripe for remaking, and it seems like there's all sorts of great potential there. It's a bit of shame to hear they're being so slavish to the original, though. That's been done, and done well, so why not try something different?I have two big reservations about how well this one does. One is that Kurt Russell's shoes are going to be very hard to fill. He owns that role, and taking it over is going to be like taking over Indiana Jones or The Dude or Dirty Harry. The other is that is hate backstory, and it sounds from this review that they're going to throw a bunch of that in.I still have my fingers crossed, though. Like I say, it has potential. Mind you, isn't that Neal H Moritz guy involved? That doesn't bode well.
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Extension --- No!!!! Rehashing/Telling the same fucking story with a times 100% salty kick and new. Shit thats that crass ass lame, tired, hack, shit, self mastabutorial, been there, done fucked, seen and been treat for that, bought the shirt, buried the fucker, dug it up a few years later too see if it still bleeds, and burned that shit till its ash was fine enough to snort, because the memory cast a larger shadow and promised a brighter sun. Then what the prmoise could forfill.
I agree show us his betrayal that led him to go against what he fought under. Then bring us to NY. Ohhhh they turned a rising sea preventing wall into a a big arse prison wall. Cause it's like gobal warming and it's all about Iraq cause we will never fight iran or korea or GB we cant go there dogggggg. And Cabbies replaced with a Brink truck driving ass- istant who uses it to kill the hell raising/ in the way residental who run with for or near to Duke A'Number 1. Fuck that. Ah Hell Nah- Phiz'uck this movie. The remakes have too stop. Robert Englund is Fred Kruger. Kurt is Snake. F.T.E.F.NY-R/P!
And 300 my dad was pissed off while watching that . He was like WTF thats not how it happened. I treid to explain, but heres one thing I know EFNY thats our movie. I say fuck this remake and the ass kisser who endorse it. WTF is happening to {"AICN" Ass In Cock Nerds!} -
you need a Mogadon or something?
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No Adrienne Barbeau or Season Hubley ? I can hear from here the -99,99% box office crash.
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Just like the superior Punisher flick from 1989, they will delete the DVD of the original and it will never be reissued. By fear of people realising it's better. Count on that.
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Haven't filmmakers learned that trying to comment on the political landscape at the time of their film's making gives it the shelf life of milk on a warm window sill?!? Can't they look at the hash "V For Vapidity" was by the time the Wahackski Bros were done shoehorning in anti-Bush allegories? Can't they just stick with the story or come up with a non-specific bogeyman or is expecting creativity from the supposed creators too much to hope for?
Whenever I see a ham-handed attempt to cram some anachronistic commentary into a film, all I can do is flashback to "2010" which was totally weighed down by circa 1984 Cold War-era Hollyweird paranoia that Evil AmeriKKKa was going to pester those nice folks in the Soviet Union into a war over Central America. The whole film was premised on the idea that the world of 1984 was going to be totally unchanged a quarter-century later. Too bad that the Berlin Wall fell five years later and the Warsaw Pact shortly thereafter.
If you want to see brilliant and prescient screenwriting in action, go and watch "Network". Awesome in its own time, in the Eighties it was just as relevant by substituting "Japanese" for "Arabs" and today it's current as written. The uprising against the recent Dubai Ports deal and the shamnesty proposal last week mirrors the scene in "Network" in which Howard Beale gets his viewers to send telegrams to the White House. -
....like johnny the carpenter might get a second chance of a comeback. He deserves one and 'cigarette burns' was definetly a return to form. I think he's the director whose films have had the most remakes- halloween, the fog, assault on precinct 13, escape from new york and also the thing. This just proves he was such a great creator. the fog was rubbish tho but even so producers may think 'hang on...' and give him a second chance- he deserves it. Also non fans may go back to his earlier stuff and think 'fuck me, carpenter was a great director'.
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Or even better..."I heard you lost it in a bar fight," with 6 variations throughout the movie.
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I'll never understand you fanboys love of Paul Verhoeven but to each his own. I like what I read about the script and the director is the key. Need someone who will be faithful to the original source material like the director who did T-3. I would be curious to know how the glider comes into play without the twin towers and how they plan to approach the future of NYC with the space that is currently empty. I do think Snake should remain mystery. I always believe less is more and leave something to our imagination when it comes to Snake.
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....errr... shit.
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Sounds a lot better at this stage than I expected. There's only one little thing...
Merrick, you mentioned how they're so far planning to augment stuff from the original and you used the "you now have the option to terminate" announcement from the original as an example indicating there's a scene in the new version where we actually see the 'option'. Well, that could end up just as dorky as it could end up cool. Escape From L.A. used a similar idea showing prisoners/undesirables being given the chair and it was done (as was the rest of the movie) in a most uncool and silly way. (I believe as you do, Carpenter's older films are the creme de la creme--the later stuff is a mixed bag of, unfortunately, mostly crap de la crap.) I absolutely LOVE the original EFNY. It's one of my top ten fav's of all time. If there's to be a remake, I can only hope and pray it's done as you say the script at this point is...respectful and cool as hell. -
He's the only one. Period. I'd rather see a new Escape film featuring an older Snake, ala the Indy 4 premise, than take even the most remote chance that someone will totally blow one of my favorite films, and characters, of all time.
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Sorry for the double post, but I just couldn't stay silent after I belatedly read fuzzy's post that used T3 as an example of staying true to the original source material. Huh? T3 completely sucked, imho, because it totally betrayed the theme of the original "There is no fate but what we make.......but no matter what you do "Judgement Day" is gonna happen." Faithful?? Wtf??
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I really dont like the idea of this film being remade, but at least it seems theyre doing it with with some vision. Compare this to hack Zombie whos just amping up the gore,sleeze,hicks and tits - it at least sounds interesting. This was something I was totally against that Im now taking a sit back and wait look at. Hopefully they wont pussy out and soften it up and it needs the right director. Where Snake land and plan to get out in this version?
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...that there is a flashback showing how he lost his eye. They always have to take any unexplained piece and create a backstory for it. Look at the crapfest starwars 1-3... These idealess a-holes grab at anything to fill out a story.
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Is in the original script / novelisation, you betcha they should include it !
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...it's about time they used the property for more material. having recently seen elvis, rather, kurt russel play stuntman mike looked to me like he's got a few more rounds of plissken in 'im too. russell cameo...
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I am so sick and tired of genre movies shoving the stupid leftist hollywierd world view down our throats over and over again. Why can't they resist the temptation to piss off 65% of the viewing audience who might not agree with their fruitcake, wussy world view? Enough already.
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Why don't they just nuke NY city in the first act, and then... they have to go and send in a terminator with Pliskeen's skin atached to the metal body in a 70's fashion, And then kill a bunch of predators, and rescue some little girl that actually is a little predator in disguise. That would rule!
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Why can't we have an older Snake Plissken (grumbling about being "too old for this @#*!"
Kurt Russel never did any great fight scenes of note (other than punching people REALLY hard) and would be easy to cast as a wiser, senior Snake.
The setting of an america that he E.M.P 'ed would be awesome as his legend would be of the man who flicked the "off" switch in America.
"Escape from the U.S.A"
Now that I've said my dream idea for the next "Escape" movie lets get down to reality (as Russel probably wouldn't do it anyway)
Instead of rebooting "Escape from New York" (and thusly ruining this timeless classic) cast a decent bunch for the movie and fill in the gaps in the Escape series that have always been talked about but never seen. There are numerous references in L.A about "what went down in Cleveland" and an infinite variety of stuff they could whip together about the references to his illustrious military career.
Either way please don't ruin yet another classic movie series......
Hollywood .....are you listening?
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