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B-Tizzle Survives Rob Zombie's HALLOWEEN!!
Merrick here...
You know, I don't understand it. Remaking so many movies when there's so much original material waiting around to be made. Above all, I don't understand remaking so many films when The Powers That Be clearly have limited, or no, understanding of the source material they're lifting to begin with.
What makes this happen? Laziness (it's easier for the folks in charge to crib someone else's material than develop stuff on their own)? A sense of / desire for box office safety (if people know the title, there's less marketing to do & more built in audience interest)? Ego (title "X" is old - we must be able to do better nowadays)? Or, all of the above? Whatever the case, it's a damn shame. It's rather myopic of the industry to perpetuate such a trend.
Case in point: Rob Zombie's HALLOWEEN. Because...John Carpenter's original film is lacking in so many ways, you know. And, apparently, elements that made the original film work aren't being ported to the remake.
So... ummmm....
B-Tizzle sent in this rather thoughtful look at Rob Zombie's HALLOWEEN remake. It very much echoes a review we posted earlier. I.e. good, but not great.
In the interest of fair play, it should be noted that he saw an INCOMPLETE version of the film. Many changes may come about before the movie's August release.
With this in mind, here's B-Tizzle!
I attended a test screening of Rob Zombie's "Halloween" remake in New York, and thought I would through in my two cents.
I'll be straight with you up front because I honestly loathe the idea of just remaking every major horror movie that may be special to any viewer without any style or class.
I did, however, feel that the Halloween franchise was in major need or a relaunch or reboot of some type, though I am utterly depressed that the original continuity ended on "Resurrection," with Laurie dying and Michael getting kung-fued. I get furious just thinking about the best horror franchise of all time being reduced to that. I think I'll just pretend "H20," utterly flawed as it is, was the last movie, and tell myself that "Resurrection" never existed.
As I stated, "Halloween" is my favorite horror franchise of all time. It hits you emotionally like no other because it has stronger heroines and a better concept than "Friday" or "Nightmare." It doesn't have to be about blood like the others, it can be about shadows and suspense and the nature of true evil at its best. The concept is so simple and beautiful...
And now it's been remade. I purposely avoided any spoilers or trivia on the movie in order to go into it fresh.
The good news is that it doesn't completely suck. The bad news is that it isn't really good either.
As the movie commenced, it appeared my worst fears were confirmed as Zombie begins to delve into the background of Michael Myers, going into detail about how he became what he eventually becomes. Uh, the allure of the character is that we know nothing about his background save that he killed his sister that fateful night for no apparent reason because his soul is black as pitch! We don't need to know that he takes pictures of animals he killed, or that his sister is the only thing he really cares about in the world.
We just need to know that he is evil. And will never stop.
I understand what Zombie was going for with the flashbacks, I really do. Adding something to the mythology to just not make the movie another pointless remake is a really good way to reboot the franchise, but this is the wrong way to approach it. Zombie does it with style, does nothing to make fanboys scream in revolt, and yet it it utterly unnecessary and makes the subsequent two thirds of the movie lose a great deal of tension because Michael is not a monster. He's a man. And a callback to these earlier sequences at the finale of the film ruins much of the tension that was built at the climax.
It's also rather disconcerting because Zombie spends so much time with Michael and so little with Laurie. Before the horrors of Halloween night descend on the film. The writing and characterization do nothing to separate any of the teens from all those other token dead teenagers in slasher films, which is a darn shame.
However, thankfully, the movie is amazingly-well cast, and they go above and beyond where the script falls short. McDowell utterly becomes Loomis for the audience, and by the end I had accepted him and didn't even think of Pleasance in the role. But honestly, I think we all knew that was going to be the case, didn't we? But I was shocked (SHOCKED!) at how well Scout Taylor-Compton slid into Jamie Lee Curtis' shoes, and how much charisma she has, and how effortlessly she carries the latter half of the movie. I shouldn't have cared about her, Zombie didn't give me a real reason to, but because of Taylor-Compton I did.
Let's talk about the good first, shall we? Though there isn't a great deal of suspense untilt he final meeting of Laurie and Michael because we know inherently, because we have seen all the movies before and all their imitators, when to expect the scares and when to get the popcorn, Zombie does a phenomenal job of building atmosphere and a sense of location and mood to any given scene. The final showdown between Laurie and Michael is phenomenally done, pitch perfectly choreographed and the tension exploded in the audience, myself included. My ass slid to the edge of my seat and my fingernails began to put indentations in my palm. Zombie got it right. The first time Michael puts on his mask also sent shivers up my spine...however, looking back at this moment now along with other smaller moments I liked, I have to wonder...
...did I shiver and scream because Zombie did a good job creating his own version of Halloween, or because I just love the franchise so much? Having seen all the movies numerous times, perhaps I'm not the right person to be evaluating it, because I'm too close to the material? Maybe. Probably not though.
Remember how I said Zombie did an excellent job with the suspense in the final faceoff? Well, that suspense is nowhere to be found in earlier suspense scenes and killings. And when Zombie kills off certain characters, his style of direction changes from atmosphere building to what I can only describe as him with a handheld camcorder trying to pee with one hand and shoot the scene with the other. Hold the damn camera steady, man!
And there are certain things I can't go into without ruining major plot developments in the film, but there is a certain plot development that involves the rape of a character that should have never gotten out of Zombie's mind and onto the script page. It infuriated me. It was cheap and done for no other reason than to disgust. And it needs to be removed immediately.
The cut I saw was rough, with the old score instead of the new. The good news is that at least half of the film's major problems can be fixed in editing.
The first thing Zombie should do is begin snipping the character of Michael way down, and adding scenes with Laurie. Michael is supposed to be a presence more than a character. A shape. The shape. Suspense and tension is created by how characters we care about, like Laurie, react to that presence instead of just showing us why they should be reacting.
Is "Halloween" a good movie? It can be. But right now, it's a fair movie that doesn't deserve to be as good as it is.
You can call me...
B-Tizzle
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Who's with me!
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Slasher genre died a while ago. It was stupid to begin with. Halloween? Friday the 13th? Nightmare? All shit shit crap. I said it.
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One day!!!
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Screening is a fan of the movie/franchise... You thinking what i'm THINKING?
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Ugh!
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I was suppossed to attend this screening but was stuck at LaGuardia :(
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i haven't seen any Halloween films, and i LOVE Rob Zombies movies so this is gonna rock my socks off!!! PSYCHE. neither of the reviews has mentioned that GOTTA SHIT mask - did it make the cut?
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yeah, bu is Zombie having them run around in bellbottoms. Cuz that's what REALLY made Halloween cool!
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I woulda been first..but I read the whole damn thing before I noticed it still had its cherry. And...I mean c'mon...do we really expect this movie to be THAT good? Corpses was a music video on crack, and Devil's was awesome..but Zombie had better filmakers performing charity to make it good.
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Actually, that's my sole interest in regard to this remake. Zombie is a hack (compared to Eli Roth, however, he's Orson Welles). Tranforming the Michael Myers character from an enigma to a rapist/sadist is the formulaic tract of all derivative horror movie (perhaps prompted by the misguided obsession for Zombie to throw his wife a role).
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There are some directors that know how to use it and some who don't... ehhhh
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But I could give two shits about the flames on Optimus. Raped your childhood? Good god man - the fact that Hugo Weaving is Megatron is much more heinous. I mean, do you not recall in Transformers: The Movie when Hot Rod activated the Matrix... he was all flamed out. I see a precedence there that everyone seems to ignore.
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B/c that's the only logical reason behind giving him a psychological profile to be understand him. Is Zombie grounding this in "reality"?
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June 20, 2007, 7:46 p.m. CST
How come if someone claims it is their favorite horror
by Alonzo Mosely
of all time, they are still happy with second-rate remakes. What the hell happened to passion about movies?
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That trailer on Grindhouse looked like a kickass (faux) Zombie movie. I love Werewolves and Nazis. Haven't seen that combination since the An American Werewolf In London dream sequences.
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Yeah in the original leaked script, Myers is just a big scary serial killer, who doesn't even do the impossible to kill bit, and actually 'dies' fairly easily, at least in slasher movie terms. That script was quite obviously written by a guy who has read a ton of 'true life crime' serial killer books, and was using them to paint his main character...
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After awhile getting raped by sequels, it doesn't really feel all that bad getting a remake.
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How in the hell are they going to make this into a franchise? Maybe, soon we'll get "Freddy vs. Jason vs. Myers"
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Just for Danielle Harris,god Ive had a crush on her for years. I know this film is just a crappy remake too and not something special,Zombie is no where near the God Carpenter is and never will be,Carpenter can even take a remake {the THING} and turn it into a master piece,if Zombie was smart he'd just stick to originals.
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So give it up. It won't suck as bad as say... The Hills Have Eyes remakes or... the entire Nightmare on Elm Street franchise or... George Romero or... any Stephen King adaptation aside from Stand By Me or Shawshank or...
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in Dallas this weekend and Danielle Harris will be there for the Halloween Panel along with Adrienne Barbeau and others. Ill be sure to ask her if she gets nude in the flick at the VIP party. I should probably snap the picture beforehand though...
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Harris is a real doll, very amicable. I really doubt she'd have any problem with your inquiry about her HALLOWEEN nudity...but comment on her past films, i.e. LAST BOY SCOUT, before dropping this bomb!
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this movie. It is the same fucking review as "Johnny Vendetta" posted yesterday. Read that one then read this one again. Slight differences. Maybe it's a remake.
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Hostel 2 set a new low in the horror genre.
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so much as it is about the victim. We the audience should experience the film through the eyes of the victim and feel their fears and fright and sense of hopelessness and desperation. Start with a well defined, relate-able victim and then build up the suspense by slowly torturing their mind/emotions, not their bodies. Killing needs to be used strategically, not senselessly. More often then not, a good, well defined killer where we understand their motives for killing ruins the suspense. If we understand, for example, that something in his childhood motivates him to kill then we the audience end of forming some level of empathy making us think "eh, give the poor guy a break and let him spill some blood. He's had a rough childhood." Who needs that in a horror flick?
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Obviously haven't invited Harry to the filming, otherwise there'd be 7 articles on the front page about this pile of shit right now.
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One reel of BOWERY BOYS MEET THE MONSTERS is better than the HOSTEL shit.
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its intereting that in that clip of the siskel & ebert, you never see micheal get up and slowly approach her...micheal's just suddenly there while in the widescreen (I.E. original aspect) there's the suspense because we the audience see him but no one else does...i just think thats a good clip to maybe show people who are afraid of "black bars" the difference it makes.
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Bob Barker says:"...and remember to have your favorite movie villains spayed or neutered!"
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Just frickin invisotext it or something..dont drop that bombshell on us! shit!
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It's Pleasence, not Pleasance. And Donald Pleasence will always be Doctor Loomis.
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AHAHAHAHAHAHA!
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By one or both of the guards and Mikey kills'em & escapes.I thought that shit was common knowledge by now.
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zombie removes his mud caked Sasquath mask to reveal he's really David Chase mumbling something about "meddling kids".
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THUMBS UP!!!!!!!!!
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Because whenever I watch that horrible movie and it comes to the part where Sonny is killed, I cannot help but think if only Eli Roth would remake this terrible film we would be able to see so much more blood in that scene. We would see huge holes being ripped into his body with gallons of blood flying out; we would see his fingers being blown off and the mile high jets of blood shooting from the stumps where his fingers used to be; we would see a slow motion close up of a bullet going into Sonny's left eye, complete with white goo exploding from the socket; we would see his crotch explode in a cloud of red and see his penis (or bits of it) fly into the air; and for the final touch, we would see the final bullet hit him in the head, making the back of his skull explode and his brains spraying every which way. And you know what? That alone would make that crapfest that Coppola made so much better. Because as we all know, gore makes for a good movie. Not suspense, not atmosphere, not tension, just gore.
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...a dentist. That's why he goes batshit on Halloween. Oh wait, that was another shitty remake. Sorry.
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Are you telling me that there is even ONE person here that thinks ANY of the Halloween films since 2 are anything but terrible? The only one that came close was H20, and that was ruined by a poorly-thought out plot and an pointless appearance by LL Cool J as the "hip black guy".<p> They definitely needed to restart Halloween. My only complaint is that they did it without killing Michael Myers permanently in the original continuity. I would have liked to see him go down in a hail of gunfire and then finally unmasked(for real, not that godawful unmasking in the original.
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http://tinyurl.com/2zgc8z
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How about instead of giving the franchise a reboot, just let it die like it should have after the second film. What possible reason could there be for restarting the Halloween series, other than to make money?
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Why? Seriously, why do they. Why don't they instead of restarting and rebooting and reimagining and retarding, just start something, you know something fresh. Something that is so fundamentally good that we still care about it 20 or 30 years later. Why don't we do that instead?
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It seems like every time they start to try something new everyone complains about it anyway. At least they have a shot at rekindling interest in a proven franchise with loads of existing material for new fans. Like it or not, the Halloween series made money.
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It's funny that people still clamor so desperately for more Michael Myers that they'll even take a 7ft wrestler with a white trash backstory.All that hack zombie is giving you is "The Mask".It's definitely NOT Michael Myers and it sure as fuck isn't "The Shape".Fucking around with the story is one thing,fucking up the character is stupid.Oh well,you so-called HALLOWEEN fans get your precious mask!Guess that's all that matters to you.Isn't it?It's still not Myers just because zombie says it is.
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NOT SEE IT. Are you sick to death of having to always say, when asked, "What did you think of The Fog?": "Wait, the original or the remake?" FUCK THIS SHIT! I'm tired as hell of having every goddamn movie I love being turned into some slack-jawed, cunt-piercing, fucking piece of shit. Let's use our geek powers for GOOD... not BITCHING. We can sit around all day and complain about how this person or that person "raped our childhood" or whatever idiotic thing you want to say... This time, let's DO something. Do you want to see a re-make of "The Thing" or "Escape From New York"? I sure as hell don't. So I propose to my fellow movie geeks-- do EVERYTHING within your power to tear these movies down. Beg your friends/family members/co-workers not to see it. Hell, offer to rent them the original instead. Start a blog. Do what fans of television shows do when faced with cancellation... send all kinds of bizarre shit to the studios until they cave. ANYTHING! Let's stop all the complaining, stand up and put a stop to these fuckers! ALL WE ARE SAYING... IS GIVE THE ORIGINALS A CHANCE! (sing along with me now)
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Why? That was the most unscary, ridiculous scene of a movie i've ever seen.<p><p><p><p>Who would be afraid of Michael Myers, he can't even break a closet door down. I've watched Halloween recently and my girlfriend and I were bored to tears. Oh wow! Big surprise Michael still isn't dead! He's getting back up! WHO WOULDA THUNK IT???<p><p><p> Halloweed sucked. now Friday the 13th. That movie was scary, whether Jason borrowed from Myers or not.
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Fuck this remake shit.And fuck the people who will see ANYTHING just to say they did.If it looks like shit & sounds like shit why pay to step in it? Stay the fuck home.
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Most of em aren't even remakes at all, they're just more sequels without having to put a large number at the end. When an audience sees "Part 5" after a movie title, they get wary, but if it's a remake, the studio can get rid of the baggage of sequilitis. I know I wouldn't see Texas Chainsaw Massacre part 5, but I might see Texas Chainsaw Massacre. Also, the remake thing offers no shortage of places to put the blame if the movie fails, and plenty of credit if it succeeds, thus, no one looses his or her job.
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I'm sorry, but this review lost me when he/she said that Halloween needs a reboot. Halloween really was better off just going away as a series. Personally, I can barely remember any of the other Halloweens past the original and that is probably the way it should be. The original will stand the test of time and sequels will be forgotten. Besides, I don't buy any review that says that Halloween needs to be remade because of the piss poor sequels and then give a generally positive review about a film that by their own review cheapens the overall themes of the original movie.
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All you fooking fanboy nerds will scream boycot and be there in the line opening night. The reason they are making shit remakes is because they are like train wrecks...u just have to look and that is the reason why there is going to be "the hills have eyes 2"
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And... there IS a Hills Have Eyes 2-- which makes your point moot.
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called "self-control".Not everybody jumps every time a new movie comes out.Hell,I'm a die hard horror buff & I honestly couldn't care less if I EVER see this piece of shit.But there is always downloading!
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Just thought I'd point that out.Carry on...
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June 21, 2007, 12:43 a.m. CST
Just got off the phone with Rob Zombie...
by i pwn teh suk and i pwn it well
He was, like, the rape scene is totally gonna RAWK! I mean, he was pretty hyped about it so the movie could be good. Hey, don't shoot the messenger. I don't choose my cell phone buddies. We're on the same record label.
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You know, I think he should also portray the Blofeld character in a future Daniel Craig Bond movie. Something about the eyes would go great with a white cat. And then, to round out the McDowell-as-Pleasence trifecta, he can portray Kobras in the inevitable Pumaman remake. Either that or the President in the EFNY remake they are working on. Honestly I would rather see Pumaman Returns, EFNY was perfect as is. ^^;
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couldn't have said it better myself, thanks Siskel & Ebert.<br><br>...and why does everything have to be a goddamn FRANCHISE! There was Halloween & Halloween 2, and the series stopped THERE as far as I'm concerned. Halloween 3 was it's own thing, and all the rest of those movies from then on SUCKED! why can't they just leave it REST IN PEACE and go on to something else. trying to turn something good & unique & successful into a franchise is what ALWAYS KILLS it. Matrix, anyone?
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There. I said it. No reason to remake it. However, this remake does exist now and I hope Rob makes some of the changes suggested here. The less we know about Michael, the scarier he is. Good to hear the cast worked out.
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the revolution! Now who's with us?! Harry, man the guns! Mori, arm photon torpedoes! Elston, fire up the engines! For those about to boycott.... FIRE!
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June 21, 2007, 1:44 a.m. CST
There are still much more original movies than remakes!
by DerLanghaarige
It's just that the remakes get because of their names the bigger attantion.
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Halloween Resurrection! Trick Or Treat MotherFucker!
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and thought I would through in my two cents. It hits you emotionally like no other evil at its best. The concept is so simple and beautiful... because his soul is black as pitch! We just need to know that he is evil. And will never stop. the tension exploded in the audience, myself included. My ass slid to the edge of my seat and my fingernails began to put indentations in my palm. The first time Michael puts on his mask also sent shivers up my spine... I'm not the right person to be evaluating it, because I'm too close to the material? ..more than a character. A shape. The shape. But right now, it's a fair movie that doesn't deserve to be as good as it is.
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Aaaahhh - the old classics never go stale.
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I thought this was a bad idea and it looks as if it is. I don't want to know anything more about big Mike because he'll just become the same serial killer thats depicted in every thriller film ever. I thought Rejects and Corpses were not bad but not great and sure as hell not deserving of ther status they get nowadays - it looks like he's made another not bad film. Be sure that there will be an extra gore scene before the final release just to really fuck it up. Pointless remakes need to stop but they never will. I'm presuming Halloween 2 is in the works. Boooorrrriiinnnngggg!
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Case in point...It's a rough version, sans music and other elements,etc... Remember what Carpenter said about the score for the first HALLOWEEN? Watch the '25 Years of Terror' DVD and recap. Reviewing an incomplete film is almost as douchebaggy as posting a review of a rough draft script on AICN.
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I know that there is the hills have eyes 2, I cant see a reason to want to watch one, or to even remake the OV. The point is, that we are the problem, just as much the lame studios wanting the built in audience and directors givin us "revisions". The control of this rest in our hand...the ones that are going to pony up $9 to see it. I really shouldn't piss and moan about this remake, since I have yet to see it, but there are some things that we should not try and fook around with and leave well enough alone.
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wasn't scary...well when it came out it was the bomb and its just that every horro movie since then has ripped it off,"Oh wow! Big surprise Michael still isn't dead! He's getting back up! WHO WOULDA THUNK IT???" Well there is a reason you were not amazed, every flick since then has beat that idea up, and since you have to know that they are at halloween 27 that he didnt fall over dead at the end of one.
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Busta. Rhymes. No number of reinventions will change the fact that he could kung-fu your ass any day of the week. With his hands tied behind his back. Blindfolded. Drunk. Put simply: the coldest eyes, the devils eyes don't mean shit when you're up against Pussycat Dolls collaborator Trevor Tahiem Smith Jr. You reallllllly should have stayed in bed, Mr. Myers.
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What people don’t take into account when a remake happens is that you’re not going to their house, taking their DVD copy of the original and burning it. That movie still exists. Whether or not it’s an artistically progressive trend is grounds for a whole other discussion. There are so many channels and formats there could be an audience that wants to see The Godfather as a four hour fucking miniseries. Let people express themselves.
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That so many people working on a movie fail to notice (or probably more likely are fearful to raise the point that the strength of the original piece was the fact we know nothing about the character.<P>Lucas made 3prequel movies about Vader the best screen villain ever created growing up and completely destroyed any kind of cool or mystery surrounding him for future audiences! Likewise Hannibal rising which I found to be competently made with good performances and excellent period detail but UTTERLY pointless as a Hanibal Lector piece and somehow penned by the original author!!!<P>This current trend of 'Re-Make everything only makes sense finantially and shows a complete lack of respect to the original film/makers and audience who apreciated the movies the first time out. Sometimes a remake works - The Thing and King Kong were decent takes but it's most infuriating to me when period films like Get Carter and now The Long Good Friday get greenlit especially with shit as fuck directors attached!<P>The Hulk's getting a re-boot or re-shuffle or whatever!? Why can't they just make Hulk 2? Or I know... Hulk the early years!
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For real, if you think this movie is so stupid, why do you continue to read reviews for it and post dozens of times on each of the talkbacks. I guarantee that you see this in the theater. Rob's alright in my book, we'll see how this turns out. Can't be worse than the last few sequels.
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"I can only describe as him with a handheld camcorder trying to pee with one hand and shoot the scene with the other. Hold the damn camera steady, man!"... at least the rest of the review doesn't sound too bad. Melons, blood and brutality. I like the sound of that, and between Halloween, Bayformers and Live Free or Suck Hard, I know where my money will go.
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that franchise just needs to die
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Worst than the Down syndrome
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June 21, 2007, 6:47 a.m. CST
There should have been a revolt to not see Hostel 2...
by Atticus Finch
...oh wait, I guess there was. I think it is funny that Torture PWN is railing against this film but liked the piece of shit Hostel 2. Things that make you go hmmmm....
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How the FUCK can any Halloween fan be so fucking down on this movie? Did you people not SEE any of the last SEVEN movies? There is no way on earth this film is going to shit on this franchise any harder than 'Return' or 'Revenge' or 'Curse' or motherfucking 'Resurrection'. Fanboy bitching never ceases to amaze.
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I don't get your point. I'm sure most Halloween fans didn't want those other sequels either. Besides In a weird way, I look at a watered down sequel differently than a remake of the original. I look at it this way. If my favorite restaurant wanted to start franchising itself, I wouldn't be upset if the food at the franchises wasn't as good as original. But if the original's food quality started to suffer I would be upset. I have different expectations for a remake of the original rather than a remake. Personally, I think the Michael Myers franchise should just die. I don't know if I really consider this to be a Halloween movie because everything I have read other than the character's names and a few similiar scenes, this movie is absolutely nothing like the original Halloween. In fact, I bet if you changed the names of the characters and the movie title, no one would ever guess this is a remake. If that's the case, how can any Halloween fans be excited for this movie?
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who've made different movies unconnected to one another.I bet you guys who can't see that sit for hours wondering why an apple doesn't look,taste & smell like an orange until your mommy's come to spoonfeed you & pop in your Barney tape.
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or any other day.If or when I ever do see this it'll be for free.
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was the last one I've seen. Am I missing anything?
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If the trailer and/or script is any indication, this will surely be a pile of shit.
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I saw the test screening of halloween in new york too and was pleasantly surprised. i hate remakes (especially john carpenter remakes because he is a way better film maker than any of the hacks that are trying to 'update' his work). That said, i really liked devils rejects so i was willing to keep an open mind and actually, for me, the bits that i liked best were the elements that were not taken from the first movie, but elaborations on things that had been hinted at - michael myers as a kid, the time in the asylum, etc basically i think it would have worked better if it had been done as a prequel, with the climax being a better escape from the institution (instead of the needlessly lurid and unbelievable one). the actual remake of the original which is the last half, glossed over so many characters that i actually hoped michael, whatever quest he was on - did he want his sister to go trick or treating with him like his older sister had neglected to do, hence her untimely death at the beginning? - would kill all the people in the town. i think zombie should have just made a new slasher movie, instead of remaking the original. that said, the killings and the suspense are handled really well, and although it is a remake, i think zombie is respectful enough of carpenter to give us an honourable, however pointless, movie. PS on the version i saw they were using the original movie's soundtrack, as someone else mentioned, and that definitely worked really well and i'm guessing the actual soundtrack will probably make my opinion less favourable.
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