Quint visits the set of The Avengers, sees Cap and Iron Man chat, Hawkeye kill some fools and has new pictures from the set for you!!
Ahoy, squirts! Quint here. By the end of Day One on the set of The Avengers I was sweating. Not because I was being hustled between stages in the heat of Albuquerque’s summer, but because I didn’t really know what I was going to write about.
Don’t get me wrong, sitting around talking to superheroes was fun and all, but there was an early trend of non-information that I worried would hobble my eventual report.
I mean, it’s all great and fine for me to rub shoulders with actors and producers, but I don’t go on these set visits for me. I go on them for you guys. If I can’t share something of my adventures beyond “Man, Chris Hemsworth’s biceps are huge in real life!” or “You guys, I made Loki laugh!” then what the hell are you even reading these set reports for?
My goal with each of these reports is to share in these little mini-adventures I’m fortunate enough to go on and I can only do that if I have some level of detail to work with, but because of the fear of spoilers most of our questions to the actors, publicists and crew either weren’t getting answered or being answered so vaguely as to not matter.
When I went out to London for Captain America, Marvel was incredibly open with their film, showing us tons of art, disclosing their thought process behind all aspects of the movie and going into fine detail. The part of that particular visit that stood out was touring the art department and seeing all the production art.
So, early on in The Avengers visit I asked about seeing the art room and was told that wouldn’t be part of the trip. That’s where I began to sweat.
Luckily for us and for this report Kevin Feige responded to our distressed calls and part of the veil of secrecy was lifted. It’s not that the people we were talking to were assholes, they just thought they’d get in trouble and Feige was the man who could make the call.
It was still a little frustrating, especially since we all knew this would be embargoed until every trailer and TV spot had run, but by God we did get to see the art room and it was glorious!
The set visit was held over two days. Day One had us in a room on the Marvel lot conducting roundtable interviews with the likes of Chris Hemsworth, Tom Hiddleston and Kevin Feige and touring some recently used sets, with Day Two dedicated to watching filming on both 1st and 2nd Units.
A group of online guys including yours truly pulled up to the front of the ABQ Studios and immediately geeked out about parking spaces, of all things. Out front of the building there are spots for J. Whedon and T. Stark. Yep, we were in the right place.
Our first interview of the day was Chris Hemsworth, who greeted us in the lobby and somehow squeezed into the elevator with all the (mostly) chubby nerds on this visit, making small talk as we headed into the conference room which would be our home for the next few hours.
I don’t usually cover roundtables in these things. It’s not often I embark on group visits in the first place, but roundtable interviews read like press conferences. In other words, usually fractured, dull and without much personality because it’s not two people engaging in conversation. So, I’m not going to bore you with the full transcripts, but I will give you the bullet-points of info or funny stuff from each of the chats.
- Thor follows Loki to Earth, which is how he gets mixed up in The Avengers.
- Lots of big egos clashing within the team.
- Natalie Portman isn’t in the film and there’s no continuing their love story, but they do have “a moment to it” that explains why she’s not Thor’s focus in this story.
- There’s an interesting dynamic within the group regarding Loki. They’re all gung-ho for viciously going after him, but he’s still Thor’s brother and Thor is still dealing with the inner turmoil from the betrayal.
- It feels like a bigger movie than Thor. Each character gets a subplot.
- Asgard plays some kind of part in the movie, but it was unclear if it’d only be in influence or if we’d actually get to see Asgard again.
- Joss Whedon and Drew Goddard gave Hemsworth Ultimate Avengers books when working on Cabin in the Woods, before Hemsworth got the role of Thor.
- Shield has “fun toys.” No more elaboration than that.
- On making off with props: “I planned on taking the hammer on Thor, but missed I the opportunity. It’s not happening this time, I guarantee it. I’ll say it publicly, too: The hammer’s coming with me!”
Of course, the only person to follow up Thor would be Loki, but being the trickster God he had some mischief to pull off, so we had some time between the interviews and were asked if we wanted to go explore the Helicarrier. Of course, the answer to that question is always “yes” (“fuck yes” also accepted).
There’s a raised platform of polished black glass and a giant meeting table leading into the massive circular bridge. On the bridge itself there are terminals for SHIELD operatives to man, each at their own little station. I was reminded of the guys manning terminals on the Star Destroyers in The Empire Strikes Back. Apparently it takes 75 extras to fill each terminal, which comes with a keyboard and a fancy glass computer screen.
You’ve seen the bridge in the trailers, so I don’t need to go into much description, but I will say that the bridge was in disrepair when I saw it. One of the back black steel walls had a giant hole in it. Maybe some Hulk damage? Couldn’t tell ya’, but it’s as good a guess as any.
After out little wander, we returned back to the conference room and welcomed Tom Hiddleston. Let me tell you, this dude has a way with words. If he wanted to become a politician he could leave acting behind without a second look back. He came across as very smart, very open and just a super nice guy.
- “Joss loves Loki because he loves complexity. The great thing about Loki is that there’s almost no ceiling to his complexity as a character. He’s a shapeshifter, he’s intelligent, he has strategic gifts, but he also has reservoirs of pain. I think when you’ve got so much color and so much heroism in a film like Avengers it needs to be balanced by a degree of pain.”
- “There are so many superhero films, there are so many films about the end of the world, and you have to think “How can we make this distinctive and unique,” and I think what Joss has done so brilliantly is he’s made it about the healing power of being part of a team. So each of the Avengers, Iron Man, Thor, Captain America, The Hulk, Hawkeye, Black Widow, Nick Fury each have their individual pain. Loki, too, has his pain. Somehow by bringing them together their pain is eased by being part of a team, which I think is a unique selling point for this particular film.”
- “The Loki of Thor is a confused, damaged prince and the Loki of Avengers is somebody who understands his own power, understands his own anger and is able to suppress it. In a way he’s more mischievous, I would say. The way Joss has written Loki in The Avengers… his actions are very, very difficult for the Avengers to pin down.”
- Hiddleston is trying to import as much complexity of the character from Thor into The Avengers as he can, saying he doesn’t want it to just be a two-dimensional cackling villain. There’s not only pain and great power in Loki, but also the possibility for redemption.
- Loki has what Hiddleston referred to as “two-handers,” big scenes with each of the Avengers. Sounds a little like he’s playing mind games with them all individually. In particular, he loved his scene with Scarlett Johannson. “Black Widow is sneaky, underhand, she lurks in the shadows, she’s smart and clever and duplicitous and she’s hard to trust. All those adjectives could be used to describe Loki. So, the scene between Loki and Black Widow is one in which they recognize each other.”
- “Loki is enjoying himself a lot. He’s having a really good time. Joss and I talked a lot about James Mason and how James Mason always seemed to be having a really good time, even when he was playing the bad guy.”
See what I mean? Very well spoken and smart to boot. I’d could listen to this guy talk all day, but on this particular day he was pulled away, but was replaced with Mr. Kevin Feige, the head honcho of Marvel Films and the guy who kind of saved this visit from the brink of “I can’t talk about that.”
Here are the bulletpoints from our chat with Feige:
- “SHIELD is this organization that just kinda stepped out of the shadows occasionally in the other movies to see what was going on, in this movie we’re on the other side of that. In this movie we’re through SHIELD’s point of view.”
- Feige called The Avengers Marvel’s disaster movie.
- Wants to replicate the experience of reading the comics in that the stand alone movies are the stand alone movies, but occasionally the individual heroes must gather together for an uber-event. While the individual films won’t ignore the stuff that happens in The Avengers, they’re not necessarily going to be considered “sequels” to The Avengers. He used the example of Shane Black’s Iron Man 3, which will have Tony back in his world dealing with his issues.
- While not entirely fixed, Feige believes Avengers takes place between 6 months to a year after the events of Iron Man 2.
- “Joss’ goal on this movie is to make the most beloved Bruce Banner since Bill Bixby. He’s shot a number of scenes in the movie, including the scene which is his introduction in the movie, and we’ve seen it cut together and damned if it doesn’t come close to doing that. You really feel for this guy.” He also said they’re utilizing technology in a way that’ll let Mark Ruffalo’s performance be seen in Hulk, which will be the first time a Banner/Hulk performance is executed that way in a live action film. I assume he meant performance capture.
- “Everyone gets an introduction in this movie as if they’ve never been in any other movie before. This is a Part One. That’s one of the reasons we wanted Joss to come on board. He wasn’t interested in doing a half-Iron Man 3, half-Thor 2, half-Captain America 2, half-Hulk whatever. He was interested in doing The Avengers Part One. From the very first frame of the movie this is Avengers Part One.”
- “THE SKRULLS ARE NOT IN THE FILM.” (Caps are mine, not his)
- He is viewing The Avengers as a franchise (big d’uh, I know, but still good to underline) and is eye-balling about a 2-3 year gap between Avengers 1 and Avengers 2, which would peg the next Avengers film for a 2015 release.
- Sam Jackson came in and read with the top 4 or 5 actresses in contention for Maria Hill.
- “There will be long term consequences as a result of this movie.” Mysterious…
- ABC’s Hulk show and other possible Marvel TV shows will be completely out of the movie universe canon.
- Since Marvel’s at Disney now, any chance of a Pixar Marvel movie? “I think the notion of an animated movie based off of a Marvel property is a no-brainer and is something we have been talking about. (John) Lasseter and Ed Catmull are now both Pixar and Walt Disney Animation, so I don’t know whatever project will fall where necessarily. And frankly, Pixar is all about original properties and original ideas, but an animated version of one of our properties or one of our 8,000 plus characters would seem to be something that could happen at some point.”
Before we wrapped up our first day we had one more jaunt to see some more stages. First up was what was called the Wishbone Lab, which resides on the Helicarrier and acts as the base of operations for Mr. Banner.
Unlike the picture above, the Wishbone Lab wasn’t pristine when we walked through. Bullet holes in window, broken glass everywhere, fire damage abound. Something big goes down here.
Our next stop was the interior of Stark Tower, which was about 70% built at the time. This is Tony Stark’s New York pad and, of course, sits on top of a skyscraper so he can land on it more easily and have his name as huge as possible against the skyline. A little sidetracking here, but I’d LOVE to see a New York skyline that has both Stark Tower and the Baxter Building added. Some day perhaps.
Again, you’ve seen the interior of Stark Tower in the trailers now, it’s where Stark has his “We have a Hulk” talk with Loki. It’s a very modern, very cool space that shares many design elements (like a lack of straight edges, lots of curves in the architecture) of his Malibu pad. Large glass windows overlooking a massive balcony (pretty sure that’s where he lands in the trailer and has his suit removed as he walks) and lots of columns… very Tony Starkish is what I’m saying.
The next stage is where we saw the large circular cell made of thick glass and military grade metal and couldn’t get a straight answer out of anybody. Some of the more well-read guys in the group (including some cool cats from Marvel.com) theorized it was a containment cell for Banner in case he Hulked out.
It was to be suspended over a circular, metal-plated iris. I guess this is something from the newer Ultimate books that I’m not very familiar with. The concept is if Banner Hulks out the cell could be moved over the iris, which opens and drops the Hulk out of the helicarrier. He’d survive the multi-thousand foot fall and the Helicarrier is not in danger.
At least that’s the theory since they wouldn’t confirm it, but it seems to make sense.
On our way back to the vans that would take us to our hotel we passed a stage we didn’t get to go into, but the door was open and I spied with my little eye some ice bergs. Make of that what you will.
Before the day was done, we got to meet up with Agent Coulson himself, Mr. Clark Gregg, in the lobby of the hotel and got to chat him up. Besides being the most consistent thread that ties these Marvel movies together he’s also one of the most genuinely nice dudes I’ve ever met in this business.
- Where is Coulson at as a character at the beginning of The Avengers? “God, I forgot what a tightrope act this is… Well, now that he’s come out as a Skrull…” Much laughing, but he was quick to even nip the joke in the bud to make sure it wasn’t taken as an indicator of the villains in the film.
- Gregg sees Coulson as a cross between “the world’s most persistent bureaucrat, a secret ninja assassin and the guy that wrangles the rock stars at Lollapalooza.”
- In fact, from Coulson’s point of view, The Avengers is kind of a muscular, sci-fi Woodstock and his job is to get the rock stars on the stage.
- Does Coulson get to kick ass in the film? “Oh yeah!”
- Can not confirm or deny involvement in Iron Man 3.
- The Avengers script feels “very Shakespearean.”
- Coulson grew up idolizing Captain America, so it’s a big day in his life when Cap shows up.
- Gregg’s next film as a director is an indie called Trust Me and it’s a neo-noir with show business as the backdrop. Young Madeline Carroll from Flipped will co-star.
And so ended our first day Avengering. As you can see, there were a lot of tantalizing bits and pieces and some really nice people, but I left out about 384 instances of an actor asking the onset publicist “Can I talk about this?” If the above was all I had to give ya’, I’d be apologizing, but…
Someone was hurt bad. Maybe dead. I don’t know who it was, but Steve Rogers and Tony Stark sure did and they weren’t happy about it.
The scene we were watching in Stage 4 of ABQ Studios seems to be a turning point moment in the film. We weren’t given any information about the lead up to this moment, just kind of thrown in the deep end.
This scene took place in the set we toured on Day One, the one with the iris that can be opened up at the touch of a button. It was a circular room, predominantly black and silver metal.
Our monitors showed that the lighting for this sequence was shadow-heavy and ominous, both Cap and Stark in somber moods. Downey was wearing a Black Sabbath tee-shirt, his RT unit shining blue through the center of the shirt and Evans was wearing a tight blue shirt.
Since there were a few of us on this visit, we had to share the headphones. I had maybe three takes over this hour or so filming to jot down dialogue and notes, so I’ll do my best to piece this scene together for you guys.
The scene starts somber and with a little tenderness between Cap and Stark. That tenderness evolves to anger from Stark, feeling like whatever happened to whomever is hurt/dead is just as much Fury’s fault as Loki’s, but that anger fuels a spitballing session as Tony tries to figure out Loki’s next move.
Evans leaned against the railing, arms crossed. Downey had a black eye and looked a little ragged. Stark asks if “he was married.” Evans responded in the negative, but said he thought “he was dating a cellist.”
Stark says “He was an idiot for taking on Loki alone,” and brushes past Cap as Cap asks if this is the first time he's lost a soldier. Stark angrily retorts that he's not a soldier in Fury's fight and Cap responds that they need put that aside and focus on the mission, saying that Fury has as much blood on his hands as Loki does.
Tony is pissed off, hurt, but also still trying to figure out the situation. “He made it personal. He hit us where we live. He wants to tear us apart, divide and conquer… He wants to beat us and be seen doing it. He wants an audience. He’s a diva, he wants flowers, he wants parades, he wants a monument built to the skies… son of a bitch!” That “son of bitch” should be read as “Eureka!”
There was more to the scene that I couldn’t get jotted down, but the gist is above, albeit condensed a bit. I’d say the scene itself is a solid 1½ or 2 minutes. Downey played it just as perfectly as you’d expect, shifting gears between emotions like a pro. And his “Eureka!” moment had that perfect excited Tony Stark childlike zip to it.
Evans plays the scene calmly and supportive, letting Tony run through the emotions and jumping in when he’s about to go off the rails, like with his blame of Fury for whatever happened.
The only direction I heard from Whedon was for Downey to play the “we’re not soldiers” moment with a little more vulnerability and a little less anger. He was in with them between each take, but like I said I only had the headphones a few times and that was one of the directions that stuck out to me.
After they nailed one of the set ups and the camera crew were changing angles, they brought out Downey and Evans to have a sit down with all of us. I’ve included the interesting moments from that chat below:
- Downey’s first words: “Can you believe this shit? Tony and Cap side by side here?”
- “It’s a really good story that could have been done a hundred ways wrong and I think you’ll be, I’ll go out on a limb, pleased and surprised at how not predictable it is.” RDJ
- Downey thinks the Cap/Iron Man relationship was the toughest of the group to find the right tone for. Mentions the scene we’re watching today is a transition period for the two. Stark gives Cap a lot of gruff in the movie and this is a moment where they’re hashing out a problem together.
- Evans thinks Tony Stark is the glue that keeps the team together. In this movie Cap isn’t the leader he might be because he’s still coming to terms with living in modern day and doesn’t “hit the ground running.”
- Will the events of Avengers have ramifications in Iron Man 3? “Sure. Yeah. Someone’s going to have figure that out.” - RDJ
- In talking up Joss, Downey mentioned a scene that takes place near the end of the movie that has to unite Thor, Cap and Iron Man that needed to be more than one line, but couldn’t be two pages. Joss left and quickly came back with three pages of options that ultimately turned into four lines of dialogue. That was his process and Downey said he was like a machine, but able to collaborate in a very organic way, which kept Downey from feeling like he had to “save” the script. He could still have freedom to explore the character, but felt like he had a partner in Whedon, someone he could trust.
- On if there are new features to their costumes. Downey: “Probably. I don’t know, I’m wearing tracking dots.” Evans: “I can pee freely, which is great.” Downey: “Cap’s new suit by I.P. Freely!”
- How does Stark feel about Cap considering how tied in he is with the Stark family? Downey: “Could you imagine if you met your long lost brother who was kind of your dad’s favorite and all of a sudden he was in town? And he doesn’t really want to hang out?” Evans: “There’s a lot of meat on the bone there. Hopefully enough to last even into sequels. It’s complex, there are a lot of layers.”
- After some artful dodges by Evans to some more spoilery questions, Downey popped up with this gem: “I can tell you that there is a sequence where Black Widow and Iron Man both get stuck inside her suit… And for certain shots they had to use a wide angle lens.”
Have I mentioned that I love Robert Downey Jr.? I’ve had the good fortune of speaking with him a few times over the years and he’s the kind of guy whose public face is just an ADD showman version of his private face. You get the feeling that he’s just having fun this time around, bringing the professionalism to every job, but doing it with a flair that can only be gained by enjoying the moment.
After the duo left to continue saving the world, our group was ushered out of Stage Four and onto a van that would take us to an abandoned train yard 15 minutes away from the studio. Lots of New Mexico productions have used this very cool, rundown location including MacGruber. This is where the whole “This is nothing like Nicaragua,” scene was shot.
It’s a massive area and they retrofitted a giant chunk of it to be a destroyed New York street, leading up to a recreation of the exterior of Grand Central Station. Rubble was everywhere, crushed cabs, a bus with scorch-marks, smoke and all that “shit is going down” jazz.
2nd Unit was set up here, shooting action scenes with Jeremy Renner as Hawkeye and Scarlett Johansson as Black Widow. The set up we were witness to was all Renner as Hawkeye in a big action moment. Johansson was onset, but not in costume yet (damn my luck). She did have a stunt double in full costume waiting in the wings with tracking dots on her face, presumably for face replacement during some of the more intense action beats.
Also sitting around were dozens of stunt guys in grey mo-cap suits, which meant once again no hint of the bad guys outside of their weapons, which were alien-looking clubs and swords that seemed to double as rifle type weapons. Curved edges and purplish in color.
Stringed up above the destruction were wire rigs for those nifty Fellowship of the Ring style overhead zipping cameras. The action scene we saw, though, was shot more traditionally.
One static and two handheld cameras covered this action beat which began with Renner crouched in a hero pose, bow outstretched behind him. On “action” he straightens up and in one motion pulls an arrow from his quiver and shoots a mo-capped bad guy taking aim at him and immediately ducks a club swing from another, shooting him with another arrow. He doesn’t have a moment to prepare for the next attack, which he sidesteps a second before whipping his attacker in the face with his bow. Hawkeye pulls another arrow and spins around, stabbing another attacker in the neck with it.
They finished this action a couple different ways in different takes, so I’m not sure what’ll end up in the movie. One option was to have Hawkeye pull the arrow from neck of the bad guy and use it again to shoot into his chest. The other is he leaves the arrow in the neck and pulls another from his quiver to finish the alien attacker off.
All this was done in one take, by the way. Renner’s double was onset, too, but since the cameras were so close to the actor they didn’t use him.
They went through this action many times since the timing of a half dozen stunties, the amount of smoke being put off by the bus THAT WAS ON FIRE behind him and the choreography had to all cooperate with each other. So, sometimes Renner missed a beat or one of the stunt guys did or one of the cameras weren’t in the exact place they needed to be. It’s a lot to nail in one take.
I could tell Renner was getting frustrated with himself when he was too early or too late on a mark. I’m sure having a squad of geek press watching your every move didn’t help, but he ended up nailing it.
Something else of note, he didn’t just have to contend with three Alexas running, but also ILM video cameras that were rolling on the action in order to get information for the eventual replacement of the stunt guys in mo-cap suits with their digital alien counterparts.
It’s a lot to keep straight, but it was cool to see how they’re showing Hawkeye’s combat expertise. It’s like if Legolas was in SEAL Team 6.
We got to chat a bit with both Johansson and Renner while on this leg of the set visit. There were only two moments I thought needed to be passed on:
- There’s lots of history between Hawkeye and Black Widow, both agents of SHIELD and have fought a lot together. Does that mean a romance? Scarlett: “There’s no time for romance. We’ve got shit to avenge!”
- Who has the most uncomfortable costume? Renner: “We have it the easiest, I think.” Scarlett: “Speak for yourself!” Renner: “I have it easier than you because of your fuckin’ hair.” Scarlett: “My hair? What about my hair?” Renner: “You have to do your hair every day!” Scarlett: “That’s just a girl thing. That has nothing to do with being comfortable! Talk about that it’s, like, 800 degrees in my costume! And it’s a unitard! And I have nothing underneath it!” Renner: “That’s nice for people!”
So, you heard it here first, people. Black Widow goes commando when in costume!
While meandering around the set I got a close up look at Hawkeye’s quiver. It was made of heavy hard rubber-like material. The benefits of getting an up-close look at it was seeing that the bottom of the quiver was ringed with different kinds of arrowheads. Some were hollow glass, some slender metal, some Rambo-like explosive tipped. Not sure how many are used in the movie, but he’s got a range of choices.
We were due to go back to ABQ Studios for a sit down with Joss Whedon, so we packed up and left Hawkeye and Black Widow to kill some alien scum. The big surprise when we got back to the studios, though, was that we were admitted entrance to the art room, courtesy of Mr. Feige.
There’s some shit that goes down on a mountaintop that’s going to be epic. Hero-on-hero fight in the woods! At night! Adi Granov did these pieces and I hope to God Marvel makes these available for purchase. There were two pieces from this sequences in particular that I loved. One had Iron Man in the air, a leaping punch aimed at Thor whose hammer was surrounded by lightning.
The other was set in a clearing with a pissed off Thor on one end and Iron Man, palm repulsors glowing bright and body language saying he still wants a fight, on the other with Captain America (still in his ‘40s costume, by the way) standing between the two. Looks like he was breaking up the fight.
Feige guided us around the room, but unlike the Captain America visit the art didn’t lay out the entire movie. It was more like isolated sections of the movie they didn’t mind us seeing.
There was one piece of art that showed Loki in a SHIELD lab contained by a force field of some kind. There was another that showed The Hulk ripping up a concrete bridge near the Grand Central Station entrance as the rest of the Avengers fought armored aliens. Iron Man had his palm up, repulsor glowing, Black Widow was close-combat fighting, Cap with this shield raised, etc.
Another piece of art confirmed that the circular iris set was indeed paired with the containment cell meant for Banner in case he turned into The Hulk. From the footage I saw at last year’s D23 they also use this for Loki at one point, threatening to drop him off the helicarrier.
Feige told us that in the film Banner hasn’t Hulked out in years and he isn’t recruited to The Avengers for the Hulk side of him, but for his scientific brain. They need his expertise in gamma technology, apparently. The Hulk side of him is more of a liability than an asset because The Hulk can’t be controlled.
As evidenced by another piece of art. Remember the Wishbone Lab I mentioned earlier? The one that had bulletholes and fire scorches? Well, we can thank Hulk for that, apparently. This piece of art showed a jet firing into the lab and Hulk jumping through glass out at his attacker. I’m not sure if it was an enemy jet or a SHIELD jet trying to keep Hulk from destroying the Helicarrier.
One final piece of art that really captured my imagination was a shot of Loki standing in a giant room, decked out in his headdress and a staff made of electricity, making people bow at his feet. Cap is there as well, not bowing, of course. Feige told us this takes place in Germany and that “Cap doesn’t like dictators that make people bow before them.”
Again, no hints as to where this fits in the story, but it opened up the universe a bit more than I expected.
I’m very glad we got a glimpse at the art room, so thanks to Mr. Feige for okaying that. Now that I’ve been on a few Marvel sets I can say with a certainty that the art room tour is always my favorite part of those set visits.
Before we called it a day, we all gathered in the lunch area and waited for Whedon to join us and send us home with a chat. It happened to be his birthday, so when he stepped into the geek den he was greeted with a bunch of off-key geeks singing him happy birthday.
Here are some of the highlights from this chat:
- At the beginning Joss worked with Marvel and the individual actors to figure out how to shape the events of the story because he knew once he got going he’d locked into his own structure and didn’t want to have to retrofit the script.
- “My favorite response was Sam Jackson’s. I was like, “Is there anything you’re particularly looking for?” I told him how I saw Nick Fury, how I saw his role in the movie. “Is there anything in particular you’re looking for, anything you want to avoid?” He was like, “Hell, no! Thank you for askin’… I don’t want to run.” Then on the set he pointed at a page. “This says ‘Fury runs.’” I said, “Just this one time.””
- The movie borrows heavily from many different eras of Avengers comics. Jim Starlin’s annual (#7) with Thanos and Warlock and the Thing 2 in 1 that followed it defined why Whedon loved The Avengers. “Obviously that was a long time ago. Moondragon is not in the film.” A lot of the tension within the group was inspired by the Ultimates and Civil War books.
- Had a clear opinion of Bruce Banner as a character. Wanted to steer away from the more internal struggle from the recent films and looked more towards how Banner was portrayed by Bill Bixby in the TV show… a man living with this problem that is out there helping people, not just looking for his own cure. He wanted Banner in this film to have learned from his experiences in the first two Hulk films.
- Shot the tag for Thor in 3-D with the RED, planning to shoot The Avengers in 3-D with it… “After we lost 3 hours to lens changes and unknown camera weirdness we decided to not do that.” Shot with Arri Alexa.
- Joss did a dialogue polish on Captain America, had a lot of fun writing ‘40s dialogue. Turned out to be really helpful for him to get to know Steve Rogers and his perspective because “Steve’s perspective in the world is very much the audience’s. He is looking at this world with fresh eyes… and he’s not impressed. His feeling of disconnection is something that is laced throughout the film. It’s a film about lonely people… because I’m making it and my pony only does one trick… but he’s a classic man out of time, in a very literal sense.”
- An important part of making The Avengers film unique is that each of the Marvel heroes with their own franchises needed to step out of their worlds, which is why we’re likely not going to spend much time in Asgard and why Stark’s not in Malibu and Cap’s literally not in his time and place. When they return to their own franchises hopefully it won’t be a jarring transition.
- There may be some more subtle seeds planted for future films, but Whedon was very careful not to “Jumper” or “Eragon” himself and do a big set up for a sequel that might not happen.
Oddly that was a pretty consistent line from most of the people we talked to on the visit. Marvel is making their biggest film of all time, it’s a risk and they think there’s an audience for it, they’re happy with their team, they love the script, but they don’t want to count their chickens before they’re hatched.
From what I saw on this visit and what I saw in the D23 presentation I think Whedon might have something here. His script fired up the cast, especially Downey who was arguably the toughest critic of all the cast and everybody fell in behind Whedon. So, live or die, this is his movie and he had all the ammo to make it great.
That’s a whole lot of information up there, so thank you guys for following along with this little trip. I hope you guys enjoyed the journey and it was worth however long it takes to read this monster.
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April 2, 2012, 11:04 a.m. CST
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April 2, 2012, 11:18 a.m. CST
Very quick read, surprisingly.
April 2, 2012, 11:20 a.m. CST
April 2, 2012, 11:32 a.m. CST
Don't think so because I'm pretty sure the street fight stuff we see in the trailer and I saw being filmed comes from the last act. But who knows? Secrets! I'm sure if it's anything major we'll all hear about it after it screens at Tribeca.
April 2, 2012, 11:33 a.m. CST
Suck it haters!
April 2, 2012, 11:37 a.m. CST
I'm getting the impression he hardly wears it at all in this... Whaa??
April 2, 2012, 11:38 a.m. CST
by Robert Evans
he saw Scarlet's ass in person and lived to tell the tale.
April 2, 2012, 11:43 a.m. CST
I think the biggest problem this movie faces is suprising / delighting the audience... I feel we all know what were going to get. It's going to be about as good as THOR, CAPTAIN AMERICA, IRON MAN 2... which for my money were all about as good as each other. Kind of 3 stars out of 5 movies. Good popcorn entertainment - but not a classic amongst them.
April 2, 2012, 11:43 a.m. CST
by B Arnold Quizzling
Thanks so much! Really great to read! Also nice to know what is and what isn't under Scarjo's tights. Mmmmm... tight....
Chris Hemsworth could be this films secret weapon, especially with Loki as the (rather non threatening) villain. It means Hemsworth will probably be the central focus of the drama. I wonder if Hemsworth would have saved JOHN CARTER for Disney if he'd been cast instead of Kitsch?
April 2, 2012, 11:47 a.m. CST
Now there's a thought. He would have been a great John Carter.
April 2, 2012, 11:49 a.m. CST
Really don't like what they've done with his costume. Notice how the artist's rendition at the bottom of the article looks miles better. And he's all of a sudden showing his ears? wtf
April 2, 2012, noon CST
pay an artist, not a photoshop noobie. what's wrong with a comic book movie poster looking slightly illustrated and comic-booky? nothing- they need to do it more, insteasd of glueing heads on improbably posed bodies.
April 2, 2012, 12:02 p.m. CST
can we expect another suit change in this, or do you think the artist just referenced old iron man art for that lineup?
April 2, 2012, 12:04 p.m. CST
You read it here first! </p> </p> j/k ;P
April 2, 2012, 12:06 p.m. CST
by Lars Espeter
He dies, is my guess. It would make sense as it would motivate Stark to fight and make him an Avenger in a very personal way. Rhodey is dead, I am sure.
April 2, 2012, 12:08 p.m. CST
Although I could totally see Whedon doing it. Oh well...hopefully Shane Black knows all about Life Model Decoys and we get to see Coulson pop up in Iron Man 3. Agent Coulson is totally the Boba Fett of the Marvel Universe.
April 2, 2012, 12:19 p.m. CST
AGREED. I'd rather see most of the other characters bite in than Agent Coulson. Which is a strange feeling.
April 2, 2012, 12:27 p.m. CST
It looks too smooth and polyester-like. He actually looks smaller physically in this than he did in his WWII get up (and less cool, as well). I think they missed a big opportunity to go with a pseudo-chain mail texturing on his chest/should area, like most of his current comic book depictions do. And the helmet, which I know is the trickiest part, still looks kinda dorky. And it kills me to say that. I think they should have at least molded some wing-like design on the side that would have stuck out a little bit from the helmet, rather than the lame stencilded wings. But the biggest problem I think with the mask/helmet is the way it makes his neck look pencil thin. Maybe they could have added just a little soft foam padding to "muscle-up" his neck area. These are just random thoughts I've had, but all in all -- Elsewhere, you are totally right. They could'a done better by Cap. That being said, overall, I'm loving what I"m seeing for his movie!
April 2, 2012, 12:31 p.m. CST
It said so in some post here a few weeks back!
April 2, 2012, 12:33 p.m. CST
Dibs on Scarlett's sweaty unitard!
April 2, 2012, 1:01 p.m. CST
black widow romances banner. loki kills black widow. banner hulks/dark willows out. hulk smash loki and his___army.
cap/zander saves the day by talking hulk/dark willow down from destroying world. cap/zander: i love you hulk/dark willow. i love you... i love you hulk/dark willow. i love you... hulk/dark willow surrenders, falls to the ground crying.
April 2, 2012, 1:02 p.m. CST
by Lost Boy
Cheadle is in Iron Man 3. "He's an idiot for taking on Loki alone." Says Thor to me. The whole , "He's my brother, my responsibility" thing. Of course, he's not really dead - they just think so at that part of the movie.
April 2, 2012, 1:05 p.m. CST
by Grammaton Cleric Binks
That's a bold statement which I hope is true.
April 2, 2012, 1:08 p.m. CST
by petia rostov
Quint, thanks for the report. I signed up to say that it's the first time I read anything about the film that sounded great. Looking forward to Sam Jackson and the others bantering and fighting together. For true comic fans, who you know actually want a good movie, the look of a quiver or a jet do not matter in the least. Jesus people, a helmet, really? Fuck his helmet. Give me a STORY and I'll get my wallet out. And again Quint, we need more Hobbit blogs. Hobbits, ya hear me? PJ has gone AWOL again.
April 2, 2012, 1:08 p.m. CST
April 2, 2012, 1:11 p.m. CST
Tons of advertising and set visits always seems to avert the critical eye on the internet. As someone who thinks this one could go either way, I don't think I'll be looking to this site for a real review of the film.
April 2, 2012, 1:13 p.m. CST
by Lars Espeter
Yeah, I had doubts first, as I checked the cast for Iron Man 3, but there was that statement that the other Marvel movies not neccessarily take place after The Avengers.
April 2, 2012, 1:14 p.m. CST
by Cletus Van Damme
Is that "Trust Me" written by peter Leonard?
April 2, 2012, 1:18 p.m. CST
I'll say one thing about Hemsworth. People in cloaks naturally look really stupid (or else we'd all be wearing fashionable cloaks in real life) but he really sold me in Thor. Mainly looking forward to this because the cast is so stellar.
April 2, 2012, 1:18 p.m. CST
I want to tit-fuck Scarlett and have her finish me off by swallowing, but first I give her a pearl necklace and let her eat the rest- now- let's get moose and squirrel!
by Michael Lunney
Then I would fuck 2 holes right through her unitard and finish again with a volcanic release to dribble out her slapped red ass No underwear, and she's short. yummy -spread em baby.... She sure do look purty in them black longjohns, Clem...now lets see something blow up real good!! THis should be a fun film......
April 2, 2012, 1:20 p.m. CST
Nothing I have seen has impressed me so far.
April 2, 2012, 1:20 p.m. CST
Ohhhhh....*JAMES* Mason. That's different.
April 2, 2012, 1:23 p.m. CST
I'm fine with he and Black Widow "recognizing" each other, but Loki has to outdo everyone individually, or else he's not dangerous enough to be a threat to the whole team. He used and discarded the Enchantress all the time, for Pete's sake, so don't tell me that Black Widow is remotely in his league when it comes to guile.
April 2, 2012, 1:26 p.m. CST
April 2, 2012, 1:27 p.m. CST
Sounds like he's well aware that films like this live and die with characters we care about. Before the X-Men came out and delivered the idea more bluntly, the Avengers were the original band of misfits. Thor, Iron Man, Hulk, Cap - guys that wanted to belong, but were agonizingly prevented from taking part in life, and all had a reclusive flip side to the sunny, colorful public persona. None of them were content or above anguish. Knit that to the depth that Loki and the Thor-Loki dynamic has - which lots of people, including many non-comic fans, loved about the Thor film - and add some spectacular action, and this looks like a slam dunk.
April 2, 2012, 1:35 p.m. CST
yeah, I have an awful feeling about that...Gregg is so smooth and effortless in that role. He has an established dynamic with Stark, so unfortuanatly I could see him being the victem there. The only other person I could think of would be Hawkeye, and that too would be a giant mistake. Seriously hurt? Fine, but I think Renner is going to great in this and would hate to see Clint taken off the board permanently. That is Whedon though...Wash getting impailed still haunts me.
April 2, 2012, 1:50 p.m. CST
You've just helped me pass some of the time on my boring overtime shift. Really nicely done tour write-up!
April 2, 2012, 1:57 p.m. CST
Stay away from spoilers, but I'm a weak geek. Avengers news is like crack to me. Quint, great job building excitement without spoiling too much.
April 2, 2012, 2:10 p.m. CST
by Righteous Brother
want to have some surprises when I see it, although the trailers seem to give to much away. Gonna stay clean for The Dark Knight Rises too, (hopefully!)
April 2, 2012, 2:13 p.m. CST
by Anthony Torchia
First, thanks for this report, enough info to be excited but not too much to spoil it. Well done! I'm am betting there will be a sequel, and I am certain an Avenger is going to die in it. I am also certain it won't be Tony.
April 2, 2012, 2:22 p.m. CST
by Kill List Hammertime
April 2, 2012, 2:31 p.m. CST
Has been Coulson. It makes sense, you don't kill off any franchise (or potential franchise) players, but you gut punch the audience with a guy they've seen in all the films and everyone likes.
April 2, 2012, 2:41 p.m. CST
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April 2, 2012, 2:49 p.m. CST
That's it, I didn't really have anything to substantiate that claim.
April 2, 2012, 3:01 p.m. CST
by rakesh patel
Someone is going to die. dang. still don't like the triangle or caps suit, but they're minor squabbles. This is the summer movie I've been waiting for. It's going to be frickin' huge! Avengers Assemble Indeed.
April 2, 2012, 3:03 p.m. CST
Hope this movie is as good as Iron Man I & II. That's a lot to hope for. Won't take much to be better than Thor or Captain American. So when is the Black Widow movie???
April 2, 2012, 3:04 p.m. CST
Where as I wouldn't say he ran like a girl in episode one, as I am certain the man could kick my ass simply by looking at me and being cool, that was a wierd-assed lope he was doing. I think he had the same run choreographer Maggie Grace had in Taken. That person needs to be hobbled.
April 2, 2012, 3:21 p.m. CST
Iron Man 2 & The Incredible Hulk overlap time-wise, and the ending of TIH clearly takes place after the end of IM 2. Therefeore, if Avengers is 6 -12 months after IM 2, there is NO WAY IN HELL Banner hasn't changed in years.
April 2, 2012, 3:28 p.m. CST
I try to explain my geek theories and excitement to my wife and she gets a really exasperated expression. Then I have to punch a football or something to regain my manhood in her eyes.
April 2, 2012, 3:38 p.m. CST
Hiddleston looks like Pete Burns from Bauhaus, if he sings 'kick in the eye' i might go and see this....
....But from what i've seen so far it looks painfully dire. Whedons typical smart ass teen dialogue fits badly here. Cabin in the woods looks more his thing. I know this turd fest will make bazzilions like the transformers movies, fans wont care if it's shit, and whedon will make another 4 or 5 of these fuckers...so depressing...... BTW why does CA look like a cosplay 'tard from SDCC? that costume is shite! lol Enjoy the movie boys, sadly i'll be in Ibiza from the 12th April 'til end of Sept' so i'll have to miss the men in CGI tights.
April 2, 2012, 3:53 p.m. CST
by Jaster Mareel
I LOVE these type of insider articles! It is the reason I first started coming here so I'm very glad to see it again. This and the Hobbit articles have been fascinating.
April 2, 2012, 3:56 p.m. CST
April 2, 2012, 4:01 p.m. CST
Umm, that's the perfect time to count eggs - because you get the right number of eggs: once they're hatched and there are broken eggshells everywhere, they're really hard to count. On the other hand, you don't want to count chickens before they're hatched, because not all eggs hatch into chickens (some are unfertilized duds) - so you wait until after the chickens are hatched to count them, because then you know how many chickens you've got. So, don't count your chickens before they're hatched.
April 2, 2012, 4:33 p.m. CST
I don't remember anything in this story other than that she wears nothing under the costume. Read the whole thing and that's all I can recall.
April 2, 2012, 5:19 p.m. CST
But if you ever get a site of your own, I'm following you there.
April 2, 2012, 5:32 p.m. CST
Closest thing to actually being there. Thanks!
April 2, 2012, 5:34 p.m. CST
April 2, 2012, 5:35 p.m. CST
LOL! Thread winner!<p> I must say I missed that one. Well played!
April 2, 2012, 5:49 p.m. CST
Same here. My wife just gives me quizzical looks and patronizing smiles when I try to explain how cool this is or give her some back story. I made the mistake of confessing how emotionally exciting it was for the 10 yr old boy in me to see Hulk catching a falling Iron Man. Her look was a mixture of surprise and a reassessment of my manhood. <p> I then try to bring my 8 yr old daughter into the fold too by telling her how we'll rent all of the stand alone movies before taking her to see Avengers in May with Daddy! She's not having it.<p> I do have her hooked on The Hobbit though. All is not lost.
April 2, 2012, 6:13 p.m. CST
See her briefly looking concerned on a plane in one of the trailers, I believe. Killing Ms. Potts would piss off Stark more than Cameo-man-whats-his-face-Coulson.
April 2, 2012, 6:44 p.m. CST
My money is on Coulson. He's got an established relationship with Stark after 3 films (including The Avengers) and the audience is familiar with the character, so there would be an emotional payoff. Also, it seems like they're making Coulson more sympathetic by giving him a Captain America fanboy backstory. Dobby's death in Harry Potter is a good template. What was Dobby if not a Harry Potter fanboy? You felt bad for the character because he looked up to the hero so much and was willing to sacrifice himself for the cause. Maybe Coulson makes a sacrifice for the greater good? That's just speculation on my part. The only other possibility I can see is Hawkeye, but he's just barely getting established. Where's the payoff in killing him? Coulson bites it. Maria Hill takes his place in future SHIELD meddling.
April 2, 2012, 8:10 p.m. CST
by hank henshaw
April 2, 2012, 8:13 p.m. CST
by hank henshaw
The problem is the helmet. Something went wrong in the way the design was executed in real life. Thickness of the material used, plus no exposed ears. Also notice how the "A" is much heavier/bolder in the promotional artwork (like it is in the comics) than in the actual mask Evans is wearing.
April 2, 2012, 8:55 p.m. CST
It would be fun to have Tobey Maguire walk out with a camera in New York and get killed by Loki. Nothing Sony could do about that if they don't name names.
April 2, 2012, 8:59 p.m. CST
by No time for Haters
And that's exactly why it'll probably be Coulson. It's what Whedon is known for.
April 2, 2012, 9:44 p.m. CST
How has someone not pulled this off yet?
April 2, 2012, 10:14 p.m. CST
Lame. (Just kidding!)
April 2, 2012, 10:31 p.m. CST
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April 2, 2012, 10:59 p.m. CST
Do some research, you know they've given his ass some pretty lethal abilities.
April 2, 2012, 11:59 p.m. CST
by The Founder
April 3, 2012, midnight CST
just give up the Helmut on Thor? I've noticed lately that in the comics Thor isn't wearing his helmut and I'm talking the 616 universe.
by The Founder
April 3, 2012, 12:03 a.m. CST
Jesus F-ing Christ enough with the Hawkeye and Widow hate! They are core members of team and serve a purpose.
by The Founder
I'm tired of the hate on these characters. My god these Avengers have been around for years on end. Is not like they picked Starfox or some other obscure or reserve Avenger.
April 3, 2012, 1:01 a.m. CST
by Lex Luthor II
Verily to thee I say this.
April 3, 2012, 1:32 a.m. CST
You are the best ting about this site! I soooooo can't wait for this movie!!!!!
April 3, 2012, 2:21 a.m. CST
Cause there's no word that he's even in Avengers. Being Whedon....he'll kill off someone who the audience has alot of affection for...a character who spans most of the stories, I think we all know who. Stan Lee. What if THAT was his Cameo? =/ But, yea my bet is Coulson dies, an this allows for Maria Hill to become the 2nd in command to Fury. Im spit balling here though.
April 3, 2012, 3:10 a.m. CST
I loved the whole article but the thing that stuck in my brain was Black Widow...Commando...
April 3, 2012, 5:18 a.m. CST
Can you confirm if the movie was being framed up for 2.35:1 or 1.85:1 on-set?
April 3, 2012, 6:11 a.m. CST
This site might technically be Harry's but you are the one who really makes the effort
April 3, 2012, 6:13 a.m. CST
not wearing anything underneath.. might just be but I was imagining Thor ripping her costume to make it crotchless and then start "hammering" away
April 3, 2012, 7:48 a.m. CST
by David Cloverfield
Someone dies towards the end, so the victory is earned. Coulson first, Hawkeye second. Or kill Thor, since he can always come back through some mystical means in his own movie (it's not only a comic book movie, but it's a Whedon project too, so death and resurrection is in the cards).
April 3, 2012, 8:02 a.m. CST
Yo, So looked up 'cellist' as a keyword in the Marvel database - comes up only once; Hawkeye II. Interesting. Doesn't mean its anything other than super-obscure geekbait - and the character wasn't related to the original HE...but seems oddly specific doesn't it! www.marveldirectory.com/individuals/h/hawkeyeii.htm
April 3, 2012, 8:19 a.m. CST
by Buzz Maverik
Sequels, geeks. Mo-naaay! Movie audiences aren't used to the ridiculous deaths and resurrections in comics.
April 3, 2012, 8:27 a.m. CST
by Buzz Maverik
Cap had his team in his movie. Clint and Tash are his troops here. The Widow would be his first lieutenant and Hawkeye would be his master sergeant. I've always dug the type of superhero that really doesn't have much more than skill, a costume, comic booky weapons, and an extreme personality. Hawkeye and the Black Widow are those types of characters. More importantly to the film, if I were Nick Fury (and God willing I will be one day), and I was faced with the God of Evil (when I don't believe in Gods of Evil), and I had to rely on the Mad Scientist In the Invincible Armor, the other Mad Scientist Who Turns Giant/Green/Radioactive, the One Man SEAL Team Thawed Out From WW II, and the God of Thunder (when I don't really believe in Gods of Thunder), I'd want a couple of my top extreme operatives along to monitor the mission in case the powerhouse freaks decide to go in business for themselves.
April 3, 2012, 8:31 a.m. CST
And you don't hear any jibba-jabba either.
April 3, 2012, 8:48 a.m. CST
So does Wasp and Hank Pym. BTW Scarlett makes me want to touch little grendel.
April 3, 2012, 9:38 a.m. CST
Great painting, any idea who did it?
April 3, 2012, 9:40 a.m. CST
The love that ScarJo and I make. She cums upon me entering her. It's a very, very powerful connection.
April 3, 2012, 10:42 a.m. CST
Cop out answer...its ceremonial
April 3, 2012, 12:18 p.m. CST
They cut corners with the budget so no one demanded it be re-fitted. Fucking amateurs. It's a bit disappointing that it appears that Wheddon continues to struggle with cinematography. This looks a bit like a television show, kinda like Serenity did. If the overall movie can capture some of the magic that Firefly had, ;) , it should be pretty good at least.
April 3, 2012, 2:04 p.m. CST
If said costume is ever auctioned off - this will add another few zeroes to the bids.
April 3, 2012, 2:14 p.m. CST
Fury takes on Loki, and somehow Pepper gets in the way.
April 3, 2012, 2:15 p.m. CST
I was hooked to the page for the duration. Loved it.
April 3, 2012, 2:35 p.m. CST
April 3, 2012, 4:21 p.m. CST
...Widow reporting to robot Zola while in an AIM lab.
April 3, 2012, 4:41 p.m. CST
That's almost as funny as Cap's costume.
April 3, 2012, 5:12 p.m. CST
Dude...Aquaman was totally LETHAL riding shotgun in the Invisible Jet during 99.9% of the Superfriends adventures that took place on land!
April 3, 2012, 7:52 p.m. CST
Watch the news if you doubt me.
April 3, 2012, 8:32 p.m. CST
That wasn't all they were auditioning for.
April 3, 2012, 10:22 p.m. CST
Hey, can we get a move on here, you mythical god-like beings. I got lunch in five minutes!
April 3, 2012, 10:32 p.m. CST
Sorry, couldn't resist.
April 4, 2012, 3:26 a.m. CST
You might have to forgive his awkward running for the fact that 20 years ago he nearly got his leg ripped off when a New York subway car door closed on his ankle and dragged him a few hundred feet. Apparently, it "ripped his ACL to shreds" and required a lot of surgery just for him to be able to walk again. So, reading that article and seeing that Sam doesn't want to run... I kinda understand why.
April 4, 2012, 4:01 a.m. CST
by danny rose
April 4, 2012, 5:15 a.m. CST
Why don't they hold off telling everyone about IM3 CA2 Thor2 Hulk2 Avengers2 until this movie was out. So it only leaves poor old Hawk Eye to wear the red trekkie shirt and die....
April 4, 2012, 11:10 a.m. CST
This is the kind of crap publicity release anyone could get from Entertainment Tonight. You've held this story for months. This is worthless. Either AICN writers should be allowed to release pics and stories IN REAL TIME or they shouldn't bother accepting these payoff/bribe field trips.
April 4, 2012, 1:58 p.m. CST
I'm sure you did.
April 4, 2012, 2:25 p.m. CST
still can't figure out why the movie posters are all so shitty. how hard would it be to get all the actors, in costume, to pose for some bad-ass shots? the movie, i have no doubt, is going to be epic, but the marketing (read: the movie posters) is a bit of a let-down.
April 4, 2012, 5:28 p.m. CST
Have you seen the Agent Coulson poster? It looks pretty damn cool. http://www.chud.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/04/Coulson1.jpg
April 5, 2012, 12:42 a.m. CST
So even thought TS showed up at the end of the Norton Hulk, and there was footage from the news reports at the campus in Iron Man 2, they are still ignoring it?
April 5, 2012, 8:12 a.m. CST
Feige believes Avengers takes place between 6 months to a year after the events of Iron Man 2.
April 5, 2012, 8:13 a.m. CST
Dunno what happened there. Anyway. Not "years" in the literal sense, but if there's a year between TIH and The Avengers, we could assume Feige was talking figuratively.
April 5, 2012, 11:15 a.m. CST
April 6, 2012, 1:39 a.m. CST
It just doesn't have that grand feel to it. It looks like a very expensive TV show.
April 7, 2012, 1:50 a.m. CST
Great report! It could be Happy Hogan (Starks bodyguard/driver) that is the one that gets hurt/killed
Just a wild guess, but since Jon Favreau played Happy Hogan in the Iron Man movies and he is not directing the next movie - it could be him. Jon played Happy Hogan as a lovable character who wants to help and does what he can, but can't do much against tougher foes - i.e. the fight scenes with Black Widow doing all the real work while he struggles to take out 1 security guard. The death/serious injury of Happy would likely get Tony Stark really upset. If I recall the original comic story lines, Tony Stark really cared for Happy and felt deeply responsible when he accidentally changed Happy into some monster (the "Freak"????) through some experimental/medical accident and eventually the relationship lead to Happy's death many-many comic books later (can't remember a lot of it, but I think Happy sacrificed himself to save Pepper Pots).
April 7, 2012, 2:41 a.m. CST
Just read the article again and Cap know the character that is is hurt/killed so it could not be Happy Hogan.
April 8, 2012, 8:01 a.m. CST
That costume looks a little too cheesy. It's like something a nerd would wear at a convention.
April 10, 2012, 9:44 a.m. CST
Think about it. After the end of IM2 he was set to become a lead character. He is not in Avengers. Just makes sense as this would be the death that would upset Tony Stark the most.
April 10, 2012, 9:45 a.m. CST
April 10, 2012, 10:08 p.m. CST
Cowls only work for Adam West.
April 10, 2012, 11:45 p.m. CST
by Onin Solstice
He redid the Avengers so that Hollywood could finally see how to do a film like this right! And yet his name graces no marquee, his visage caresses no making of featurette. For shame, Marvel.
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