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"I have an army!" "We have a Hulk!" Avengers footage details from D23 here!!!

Ahoy, squirts! Quint here. My favorite stuff of the big Disney Studios event was a look at Frankenweenie (think Burton’s Vincent done with the sophistication of The Corpse Bride, in black and white), the two scenes from The Muppets (hilarious use of We Built This City On Rock And Roll) and, thank God, Marvel Studios Avengers presentation.

I was furiously taking notes at the event, so I’ll do my best to recount the footage, but what I will say straight off the bat… THIS is what should have played after Captain America. I’m not stupid, I know some of these shots wouldn’t have been finished, but there’s an intensity to the group dynamic in this footage that was radically missing from the tease after Cap.

The footage was anchored around Loki locked in a circular containment cell as Nic Fury does his best to intimidate him. The other Avengers watch on. Maria Hill does so from the command deck of what appears to be the Helicarrier, SHIELD agents at monitors all around her in a circular room, Black Widow and Bruce Banner from a monitor (maybe a lab?) Mark Ruffalo was wearing glasses and a light purple shirt. And Cap and Thor are watching on a monitor from a conference room. Cap is half in costume, Thor had his biceps bulging out in a stripped down version of his full attire from the Thor movie. Kind of like an Asgardian tank-top if that makes any sense.

Fury shows Loki a control panel as he’s supposedly trapped in this cell. He says if Loki so much as scratches the glass walls all he has to do is hit a button. The floor opens beneath the cell like an iris, revealing they’re 30,000 feet off the ground. A storm rages below. Fury says he’ll drop Loki to his death if he acts up.

Loki takes it in, not looking the least bit threatened. Says, “It’s an impressive cage. I have a feeling it was not built for me.” Fury approaches the glass. “No, it was built for something a lot stronger.” Loki looks up at the camera recording the conversation and says, “Yes, a mindless beast that has to play at being a man.” This is when we see Black Widow and Bruce Banner watching the monitor. Loki says such a crew shows great desperation.

Fury tries to reassert his dominance (“You threaten my world with war, you speak of peace yet kill for fun, you stole a force that you can’t control. Yes, you have made me very desperate and you might not be glad you did.”) but it’s clear Loki isn’t gonna have any of it. He’s as calm, cool and collected as you’d imagine, obviously feeling no real threat.

Loki gives more back to Fury, saying something along the lines of how frustrating it must be to have been so close to real power and to have lost it. Fury doesn’t know what real power is. Fury leaves Loki in the cell saying, “Let me know if real power wants a magazine.”

Loki looks up into the camera again. Cap is watching from his seat and the screen goes black. Back in the lab room with Black Widow and Bruce Banner, who smiles and says, “He really grows on you, doesn’t he?”

From here we get some flashes of the movie, which had some pretty kick-ass imagery including Cap raising his shield just in time as Thor brings his hammer down on it and another shot looking up (think a Kubrick/Shining shot) as Iron Man and Thor lock hands in the rain, Iron Man’s repulsors glowing brightly.

Sam Jackson has another speech (since it’s Joss Whedon you gotta expect it to be a bit talky, right?) in about the plan to assemble a group of remarkable people, to make them better than they are, so when we need them they can fight for us.

Lots of shots of Black Widow firing, Hawkeye shooting an arrow, Cap throwing a punch, all close, all quick.

The closing bit, my favorite part, starts on Robert Downey Jr.’s Tony Stark as he’s making a martini. He says, “Let’s do a head count. We have two trained assassins (images of Black Widow and Hawkeye), a demi-God (images of Thor raising his hammer to the skies as lightning effects –the actual bolts not put in yet- surround him), a living legend, who kind of lives up to the legend (shot of Cap in full costume and shield)…” We see Stark is talking to Loki, who interrupts with “I have an army!” and Stark fires right back with “We have a Hulk!” and bam, a few seconds of the Ruffalo Hulk roaring. A deep green color, but it was hard to tell more details. He was darkly lit, but it did look pretty rad.

I’m not the biggest Joss Whedon fan ever, so it means a something when I say that I was impressed by this footage. It had an energy and spark that was absent from the Cap footage and really showcased some of the scope. Oddly, the scope was showcased less in massive effects shots, but in the sense of urgency and tone of the character interactions.

Marvel’s Kevin Feige said this footage was only for D23, but they need something like this be put out there and really get the fines fired up. I suppose they’ll wait closer to next summer’s release, but it’d be great to have even just some of this chemistry out there earlier than later.

They brought out Scarlett Johansson, Jeremy Renner, Chris Hemsworth, Tom Hiddleston, Cobie Smulders (Maria Hill) and then Robert Downey Jr. who got the only Standing O of the day (there were many partial standing ovations, especially for the Pixar guys, but this was the only one that got everybody up on their feet). Again, the stars didn’t say much of anything, but Downey was given the mic and said “We’re happy to be visiting our parents in Anaheim” before asking if we could all see the footage again.

Cue audience applause and a sigh of relief from us reporters and bloggers at the screening that we might be able to get a second pass at some of our hastily scribbled notes.

So, impressive. Dialogue was snappy, the emotion seemed to be there, the sets looked pretty good and my worry of the film looking cheap (sorry Joss) was alleviated. It’s hard to tell on the whole, as is usually the case with such early footage, but the footage was definitely promising and didn’t strike any wrong chords with me.

Alright, more D23 coverage to come! Some detail on Pixar’s newly announced original films, Brave, Frankenweenie, Disney Animation’s Wreck-It-Ralph, John Carter, The Muppets and Sam Raimi’s Oz the Great and Powerful! Hang tight!

-Eric Vespe
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  • Aug. 20, 2011, 5 p.m. CST

    AAHHHHHH What a great line!

    by D.Vader

  • Aug. 20, 2011, 5:01 p.m. CST

    I just watched the Avengers episode today...

    by D.Vader

    ... where the Enchantress starts messing with Hulk's mind and Thor and him battle it out in Central Park before Stark, Wasp, and Pym show up. Great stuff. I hope that animated series is a great indication of what the movie has in store for us.

  • Aug. 20, 2011, 5:09 p.m. CST

    Sounds like lots of internal fighting on the team...

    by D.Vader

    Or Loki does some brainwashing somehow to get everyone to fight against each other.

  • Aug. 20, 2011, 5:12 p.m. CST

    not bad

    by misterfurly

    sounds decent...fingers crossed...gimme skrulls with jack kirby space ships..

  • Aug. 20, 2011, 5:24 p.m. CST

    Downey will overshadow the rest of the cast. No doubt.

    by Quake II

    He's got the years in Hollywood, personal hardships and acting chops to show up the rest of the kids in the cast but I'm looking VERY forward to his one.

  • Aug. 20, 2011, 5:28 p.m. CST

    Internal Fighting

    by Nuck81

    It wouldn't be much of a movie if everyone got along and it was all rainbows, puppies and rice krispies.... It's just an excuse for a bunch of money shots of the heroes going at each other. I'm sure the conflict between the Avengers and them "learning to overcome individual egos for greater strength as a team" will be a central plotline. Nothing that hasn't been seen in countless movies and the comics themselves. Haven't seen the Cap movie yet, but looking forward to this...

  • Aug. 20, 2011, 5:28 p.m. CST

    Go Joss!

    by MrFloppy

  • Aug. 20, 2011, 5:32 p.m. CST

    Shit just got real!

    by 2soon2eat

    Cliche? Fuck that! SHIT JUST GOT REAL, YO!

  • Aug. 20, 2011, 5:38 p.m. CST

    Thanks Quint. Sounds awesome.

    by cookepuss

    Personally, I think that the post-Cap scene did its job. It got me excited enough to want to see what Whedon had in store. This, your report, just has me over the moon. Totally. It's going to be a loooooong wait. =)

  • Just an observation. Still, they do score pretty big sometimes. I'd call this a "hit"though.

  • Aug. 20, 2011, 5:43 p.m. CST

    I've yet to see 'Thor' or 'Captain America'

    by Kammich

    A fault entirely of my own making, but a fault nonetheless. I hope to see Cap before it exits theaters, and I'd assume Thor should be hitting DVD sooner rather than later. I'm guessing that, after seeing both of those films, my hype for news like this will grow substantially(considering I don't presently know who the fuck this 'Loki' fella is, theatrically speaking). I do have to say, though... I was so disappointed when Ed Norton had his falling out with Marvel, but the more I think about it, the more I've realized that Mark Ruffalo is an inspired fucking choice for the role. I can't wait to see him alongside everyone else in the cast. Just wish they had some Hank Pym in there.

  • Like Natalie Portman, Gwyneth Paltrow et al? ‘Cause that would make for a crowded movie.

  • Aug. 20, 2011, 5:54 p.m. CST

    Loki, "I have an army!" Stark, "I have a Joss!"

    by kbarber29

  • Aug. 20, 2011, 6:01 p.m. CST

    here is some shots of Cap and Thor going at it:

    by tamethecunt

    bytheway, Cap looks normal w/o the roids::::

  • Aug. 20, 2011, 6:07 p.m. CST

    The Avengers aka Four Awesome Fuckers

    by logosicon

    "Cap raising his shield just in time as Thor brings his hammer down on it" Whaaaaaaa??? "We have a Hulk" end of THAT conversation!!! Mr. Whedon, you have my patronage. Hugo

  • Aug. 20, 2011, 6:09 p.m. CST

    Sounds better than I'd have expected.

    by Gabba-UK

    Hope someone had a camera.....

  • Aug. 20, 2011, 6:27 p.m. CST

    Reading this makes me feel warm and fuzzy with anticipation.

    by DoctorWho?

  • Aug. 20, 2011, 6:27 p.m. CST

    Thanks for spoilers in the headline !

    by Rupee88

    maybe I shouldn't even look at the AICN home page anymore?

  • Or is that lawsuit time? Shheeesssh.

  • Aug. 20, 2011, 6:35 p.m. CST

    and here I found the actaull event:

    by tamethecunt

  • Aug. 20, 2011, 6:39 p.m. CST

    I'm so excited

    by Subtitles_Off

    to watch this open to mediocre domestic box office. I'm eagerly anticipating hearing all of you salivate over meaningless Tomatometer scores in the low 70s. I can't wait for this to come out, so pop culture can move on, and no one speaks of it much anymore. I'm beside myself that I live in times where there have been three different big-screen Hulks and they have all sucked. I can't wait for the fourth. I'm just amazed that everyone thinks Chris Evans is a movie star now. At least, he looks less like a walking dildo when he's not wearing his helmet. Superheroes are fucking stupid.

  • Aug. 20, 2011, 6:41 p.m. CST


    by DoctorWho?

    And to think The Lone Ranger was asking for a budget of 250 million. For one major star, six-shooters, horses and tumble weeds. What's wrong with this picture?

  • Aug. 20, 2011, 6:43 p.m. CST

    1. - were there any toads?

    by vulturess

    2. - was there any lightning? 3. - was there any lightning striking toad? 4. - if Q# 3 answerd yes, what happened?

  • Aug. 20, 2011, 6:43 p.m. CST

    Note to Marvel: Never let Joe Johnson near another film. Thank you.

    by DoctorWho?

  • Aug. 20, 2011, 6:45 p.m. CST


    by Jobacca

    Since this IS a Marvel movie,and it IS filming in it wrong of me to hope for a Howard the Duck cameo? Just a quick,fleeting shot of the OG Howard sans pants passing by in the background with Beverly. C'mon know you love the duck!!!!!

  • Aug. 20, 2011, 6:45 p.m. CST

    Lol vulturess!

    by DoctorWho?

  • Aug. 20, 2011, 6:49 p.m. CST

    Sounding rather good so far...

    by Andrew Coleman

    I'm really not worried about this movie harming sequels. Captain America sequels can be placed at almost any time period. You could have another WW2 movie... This time with more Bucky screen time. Or have Cap fighting in the current world. Iron Man 3 can easily move on after the Avengers and can't be held down by trying to connect to it like what happened to Iron Man 2. Hulk can move on and should. Thor will have the hardest time but it is still possible.

  • Aug. 20, 2011, 6:50 p.m. CST

    Very nice

    by ThurstonOne

    There will be Joss haters and comic book dweebs who can never be fully satisfied, but I'm guessing this will please most general fans and genre enthusiasts alike. And I'm sure we'll be seeing trailers for this by Christmas, there will be plenty 'o hype.

  • Aug. 20, 2011, 6:58 p.m. CST


    by Kammich

    Er, isn't ANYTHING written about a film that is over a year away and has yet to release any kind of clips--or even an official plot synopsis--going to be considered a 'spoiler'? What exactly did Quint spoil for you, here? That the movie has the Avengers in it?

  • You can find it on a link courtesy of WHEDONESQUE.COM. Just click on their archive link, and it should be located in early late June or sometime in July.

  • Aug. 20, 2011, 7:19 p.m. CST

    I can't say I've ever seen any of Whedon's work...

    by DoctorWho?

    Buffy doesn't interest me one iota so I never checked it out. Seems like a pretty clear division here of people who really dig him and think he'll knock it out of the park and others who think he's a hack. A small percentage are just crossing their fingers<p> Tell me this...he is better than Joe Johnson RIGHT? How about Snyder? Better yet, point me to the 'best of' Whedon (no Buffy thank you).

  • Aug. 20, 2011, 7:26 p.m. CST


    by Gerry Manderin

    Superheroes are fucking stupid.

  • Aug. 20, 2011, 7:27 p.m. CST

    a mindless beast that to play at being a man

    by Johnno

    The cage Fury put Loki in was built to withstand something stronger than him. It's obvious that Loki is referring to the Hulk.

  • Aug. 20, 2011, 7:29 p.m. CST

    Please tell us what is ''cool'' subtleties...

    by DoctorWho?

    Let us bask in your aura. Pretty please?

  • Why I'm not so concerned... First, Alien Resurrection was 14 year ago. A whole lot can change in that time. The Joss Whedon who wrote that is a different man these days. Fanboy love aside, he really has likely grown quite a bit as a writer in those 14 years. Second, this really doesn't look like a redux of the mistakes he made with his X-Men screenplay for FOX. This is strictly a Marvel production. Based what I've been reading about them lately, Marvel is exercising a LOT of creative control over these things. They have this certain vision aren't aren't likely to let Whedon go rogue here. In some things, they're pretty hands off. In a case like this, they'll surely rein him in. Just look at how much control they took away from Capcom when it came to the recent inclusion of Dr. Strange in Ultimate Marvel VS Capcom 3. Capcom devs were really surprised by how hands-on Marvel insisted being here; So much so that its strongly suspected that they've got the good Doctor primed for a movie too. Third, even without Marvel's interference, Whedon has clear and well defined limits here. He's working within the tightly established framework setup over the past 10 years. Other writers have already doled out the various puzzle pieces. He just has to put them together and turn it all into a compelling story, which was likely conceived well before he came on board. Finally, Whedon does much better with large groups of characters than he does with these lone hero stories. He's great with getting characters (and actors) to play off one another. He's got a good feeling for the energy involved in a group dynamic. That, imo, is why Buffy has always been a more compelling show to watch than Angel and why Dollhouse Season 2 was better than Season 1. The group never falls down because there's always one character to pick up the slack. Why I COULD be concerned... Whedon loves "talking head" stories. He loves banter, almost to a fault. Marvel loves banter too, which is why they pretty much give Bendis such free rein. Banter is good for character development, but it can also slow a story down. Avengers is supposed to be this epic thing, the checkmate in this years' long creative chess match. It needs to be big. It needs to be loud. It needs to be flashy. Quiet, intimate moments are great. Whedon just can't afford to have too many of them. Whedon's a great writer, but are his best days behind him? I wonder. It's hard to say. His Buffyverse work was always good. It just wasn't always consistently great. He hit his creative stride around season 3 of both Buffy and Angel. Both shows were worth watching well after that, but there's a fine difference between really good and amazing. Firefly was not so much my cup of tea. I can see how people liked it. Don't get me wrong. I just think that the concept behind Firefly didn't have quite the same vision. Maybe it was just ahead of its time. I don't know. Dollhouse... I don't know what to say. Conceptually, it certainly was different for TV. However, Whedon failed to give the show a direction or the characters any personality until it was threatened with cancelation. When the show did did face the axe, things picked right up and the show actually got fun. There was something there, hidden in the mess. Whedon's gotten a little complacent and unfocused these days. He needs a push. Hopefully, Marvel's riding him like Secretariat atm. Whedon has a limited palette of "voices" in his bag of tricks. Read his Astonishing X-Men run. You can almost hear his Buffyverse characters coming through at points. Nothing necessarily wrong with that, as he's good with what he knows. I'm just concerned that Banner might sound too much like Xander, Stark might be a little too Spike-like with his rock star swagger, and so forth. I'm hoping that he can stay within the previously established voices set forth by the other writers. If he can craft unique personalities and weed out the Buffyisms, I'll be happy. That'll be a trick for him though. We'll see. What also concerns me is that he'll (potentially) be handling multiple villains. While Whedon is great with multiple protagonists, he falters a bit with multiple antagonists. If you go back to his previous TV work, you'll find that the most compelling seasons tend to be the ones with a single, fully realized "big bad." Whenever he's tried to handle or creatively direct multiple "bads" it's gotten somewhat messy. It'd be a shame to see Loki get the short end in favor of the Skrulls - should they be the alien threat.. Likewise, it'd be a total waste of having access to the amazing Tom Hiddleston if he's only going to get forgotten in the confusion. My biggest fear? His sense of humor. Personally, I'm fond if it. I get a laugh out of his zingers. I went to school with guys as wonky as Whedon. (Actually, Whedon attended the same HS as me, albeit a bunch of years offset.) It just scares me senseless that we'll hear a Whedon joke sprout forth from the mouth of a certain thunder god or that some of his dopey riffing from X-Men will rear its ugly head here. That's what keeps me up. For a big, big action film like Avengers he's got to avoid having too much humor. Hopefully, Marvel will have one hand on the buzzer and another one waiting to bang the gong. Too much freedom for Whedon could be a VERY bad thing here. Quint's report has me excited though. Granted, this was just subset of the movie that was presented, but I've got higher hopes now. I don't think that Marvel's going to let Whedon drop the ball on this. There's just been too much time and money invested for it to fail. And if it does.... Bye bye shared Marvel movie universe. A poor showing by Avengers could potentially the promises held by this grand experiement. Crossing my fingers. Gonna sacrifice a bucket of fried chicken to JoBu now. =)

  • Aug. 20, 2011, 7:35 p.m. CST

    Re: Angel

    by DoctorWho?

    Ugh! I do remember catching that show flipping through channels late at night. Now I'm worried.<p> Though to be honest, It very well may be it's that genre that I don't care for... which is no reflection on his writing. The whole supernatural, vampire/ghost/ psychic, cursed, teenage romance thing is not my bag.<p> However, superheroes in brightly colored costumes and spaceships and laser guns are...go figure!

  • Aug. 20, 2011, 7:36 p.m. CST

    The real fun of the Avengers...

    by zinc_chameleon

    is already clear. It won't be Cap or Thor battling Skrulls; it will be Stark versus Loki, playing the rest of the Avenger/SHIELD/Asgardians as chess pieces. Those are two very mean, calculating sons of bitches; I'm looking forward to a much less 'nice guy Tony' this time.

  • Everything else like set design, VFX, and costume work is a shared expense. The salary thing is a real issue. I'm sure that Marvel/Disney thought about this when crafting the contracts though.

  • Aug. 20, 2011, 7:41 p.m. CST

    Correction: We dont have A Hulk, we have THE Hulk!

    by deelzbub

    The one and only muthafuckas!

  • Aug. 20, 2011, 7:49 p.m. CST

    @deelzbub: Except in the comic. In the comic, they've got....

    by cookepuss

    Hulk (Banner) She-Hulk (Jen Walters) Red Hulk (Thunderbolt Ross) Red She-Hulk (Betty) Skaar (Hulk's equally Hulky son) That's a whole lot of pissed off gamma people. Fun for a comic. Would be... weird... for a movie though.

  • Aug. 20, 2011, 7:56 p.m. CST

    ...''He loves banter, almost to a fault. Marvel loves banter too''

    by DoctorWho?

    That makes me happy actually. I love banter too. Not that want a whole movie of dialogue in this case, but what there is HAS to be great. Quality over quantity. Dialogue between Stark and Rogers is something I'm looking forward to. if you ask me...action set pieces are easy compared to acting and dialogue which give the action any weight in the first place.

  • Aug. 20, 2011, 7:57 p.m. CST


    by davidwebb

    I'm hoping they're going to start pushing Stark as the intelligent businessman/politician type that's in the comics. As much as I love Downey's smart-ass shtick, I'd like to see some development. Leading the Avengers? I'm game.

  • Aug. 20, 2011, 8:01 p.m. CST

    @bob_orcis: RE: Costumes

    by cookepuss

    Thor.... Same complaint was made when the press shots first hit for his movie. It ended up looking fine in the right lighting and with the right camera work. Shouldn't be a problem here. Plus, if you go back to the post-Cap preview, you'll see that he goes back to the full costume too. It'll work itself out just fine. Cap... Not really seeing the FF comparison. Besides, there was nothing wrong with those costumes. The problem was the people IN them, Evans aside. Cap's costume here looks more or less like a combo of what he's got in Ultimates and in the 616. It looks fine. I think that the streamlining has managed to make Evans look scrawnier though. Then again, that could be because he's been shown standing next to Thor. Everybody looks puny next to Hemsworth. =) Black Widow.... Are you REALLY gonna be looking at Johannson's hair and costume? ;-> I know I'm not. Besides, she's just a visual break from the sausagefest of that lineup. As long as she's not sporting a prosthetic wang I'm okay. Hulk.... Give it time. Hulk is a large CG effect. A lot can change with him over the next 9 months. A lot may stay the same too. Hulk is the type of CG character who needs a context. In the wrong context, he can look ridiculous. With the right lighting and some amazing animation, you'll wet your pants. Stay positive, man. Iron Man.... I'm all for change. I was upset that his IM2 armor was too much like the IM1 one. Stark is supposed to be an innovator. Having him in (practically) the same costume time and again is a little out of character. He's created some specialized and occasionally wacky looking variations over the years. The Hulkbuster version springs to mind, as does the pre-Onslaught era one. I know that Marvel's gonna try and maintain some consistency, but I'm looking for a little of that visual daring that's been a hallmark of the character over the decades.

  • Aug. 20, 2011, 8:01 p.m. CST


    by JestaFool

    this is a skrull ship? please advise.

  • Aug. 20, 2011, 8:06 p.m. CST

    Dr. Who

    by No time for Haters

    Since you're not into Buffy and Angel, check out Firefly/Serenity and Dollhouse. Firefly only lasted a season and Dollhouse went for two seasons. Also check out his Astonishing x-men run, which I hear is available as a motion comic on netflix. Those should give you a clear view as to what you'll be getting from Whedon. Be sure to post back with your thoughts once you get a chance to check them out.

  • As great as Norton was and as.. competent.. as Bana might have been, I don't think that the Hulk writers ever got a solid bead on what made Banner such an interesting character. They always made him a bit bland and nebbish. In the comics, there's something profoundly disturbing about this nerd who can turn into the world's most powerful killing machine. There's something equally disturbing when that nerd knows it to be the case too. A Banner who's afraid of the beast within is a nice take. A little too cliche Jekyll/Hyde, but nice. My favorite take on Banner is the one where the man himself is almost scarier than the monster that he actually spawn. I've always thought that Banner was more fun when there was this inherent danger to him. I'm really excited to see what Whedon does or doesn't do differently with Ruffalo's Banner.

  • And as far as the Alien Resurrection debacle, what was filmed wasn't (actually) a true reflection of what he wrote. The eggheads at Fox tinkered with his script to the point of it being unrecognizable...His Buffy movie suffered the same treatment at Fox.

  • Plus, individual artists tend to draw things differently. The concept guys behind this flick will likely have a totally different take. No way to know for sure at this point.

  • Aug. 20, 2011, 8:11 p.m. CST

    ...''Also check out his Astonishing x-men run''

    by DoctorWho?

    Very cool! I'll check that out first.

  • I was referring more to some of his the stuff that reportedly DID make the cut.

  • Aug. 20, 2011, 8:22 p.m. CST

    Glad Spidey isn't part of the Ultimate Marvel-verse!

    by HollywoodHellraiser

    I get what Marvel doing but will fans come back to view sequels once the Avengers have formed? IM3 I think...but not sure of the rest.

  • Aug. 20, 2011, 8:36 p.m. CST

    Hey Subby, admit it

    by D.Vader

    You were GenderBlender, weren't you?

  • Aug. 20, 2011, 8:39 p.m. CST

    Hey BobOrcis Spellchecker

    by D.Vader

    Why don't you check the stories on AICN first before accusing them of not posting a particular story. That video of Thor and Cap fighting "Skrulls" (though they could be ANYTHNG) has already been posted on AICN. It takes the barest minimum of research.

  • Aug. 20, 2011, 8:48 p.m. CST

    Yeah the toad line in X-Men was AWFUL

    by D.Vader

    ... and awful line READING with terrible direction, that is. Hell I can already imagine a different actor saying it in a way that's actually kind of funny, with a good tight pace from reading to lightning strike, and it works well. Besides if it wasn't working on set, all the director has to do is either A) cut it or B) change it, and for all we know, Singer and Berry DID change it. Either way, the end result is bad. But I don't blame Whedon solely for it. Same thing goes for Alien: Resurrection. If you think it was only Whedon's idea to clone Ripley... come on.

  • Aug. 20, 2011, 9:08 p.m. CST


    by thefreeagents

    Somone said that they think the trailer will come out by Christmas. I think we wont see it till Feb. during the Super Bowl. They'll want millions of people to see it at once.

  • Aug. 20, 2011, 9:11 p.m. CST

    The Avengers animated series

    by Rindain great. I'd love for the movie to be similar to the show, and from the dialogue/situations described from this D23 footage it seems Whedon has nailed it.

  • Aug. 20, 2011, 9:12 p.m. CST

    Ghost Rider

    by Wade Aiken

    I was thinking it would be awesome if Fury could bring in the Ghost Rider and have him use the penance stare on Loki. Of course, seeing Ghost Rider fighting a bunch of skrulls would be awesome too!

  • Aug. 20, 2011, 9:12 p.m. CST

    Ghost Rider

    by Wade Aiken

    I was thinking it would be awesome if Fury could bring in the Ghost Rider and have him use the penance stare on Loki. Of course, seeing Ghost Rider fighting a bunch of skrulls would be awesome too!

  • Aug. 20, 2011, 9:12 p.m. CST

    Ghost Rider

    by Wade Aiken

    I was thinking it would be awesome if Fury could bring in the Ghost Rider and have him use the penance stare on Loki. Of course, seeing Ghost Rider fighting a bunch of skrulls would be awesome too!

  • Or they could've done the whole Dallas (It was only a dream) Deus Ex Machina-plot contrivance. LOL!

  • Aug. 20, 2011, 9:32 p.m. CST

    Maybe if there are invasions all around the world...

    by D.Vader

    It would be cool to see Ghost Rider fighting some Skrulls out west during a montage to convey the global chaos. We could get glimpses of other heroes not yet owned by other studios too, ones with masks so they wouldn't need to show their true faces. Heroes like Iron Fist or Moon Knight.

  • Aug. 20, 2011, 9:33 p.m. CST

    And by "true faces"

    by D.Vader

    I mean, they wouldn't need to worry that the Dr. Strange in the montage doesn't look like the Dr. Strange seen in his own movie a few years later.

  • Aug. 20, 2011, 9:38 p.m. CST

    Much better look at THOR and CAp AMerica in Avengers


    Much longer and closer look at Thor and Cap America fighting...

  • If you gonna put the Avengers together on the Big Screen I want a kick @ss movie and not some mediocre or just entertaining summer popcorn fluff. I've seen both Buffy and angel, which both shows I've enjoyed but they weren't great shows. They were entertaining and Buffy kicked of the supernatural genre on tv and heck maybe even some stuff in theaters. Whedon is not a hack in my opinion but i just think he does solid tv. I've not seen anything that screams he's a great director for blockbuster films and that he can handle a huge budget and craft kick ass action sequences. I've no problem with his writing but I'm not sure he's going to craft an awesome trip at the movies or make a game changer. All I'll can say based on his past works is that I strongly feel he won't make a film that sucks. I think he can pull off an entertaining movie but a good to great one? I'm honestly not so sure. I honestly hope he makes me eat crow.

  • Marc Webb, or in the past, David Fincher, Mark Romanek, Michael Bay (all who started out as music video directors)? The aforementioned Marc Webb has been given a 200 million dollar budget for the reboot of Spiderman, and no one who frequents this site bats an eye...But when Whedon is mentioned, you and a host of others question his qualifications to handle a big budget super hero production, which is kinda odd, considering his standing in most fanboy/geek circles...Hell, even J.J. Abrams started out in tv, and out the park he was hired by Tom Cruise to write and direct M.I. 3. What I'm getting at is how can one question his qualifications and vision, and not question some some of his peers qualifications?

  • Aug. 20, 2011, 10:20 p.m. CST

    Oh poopentstein

    by D.Vader

    How... amusing.

  • Aug. 20, 2011, 10:24 p.m. CST

    Quint is talking out his ass -- why would the movie

    by Dennis_Moore

    look cheap? Not Whedon's fault he never had a proper budget. He worked wonders with the ship effects on Firefly with TV money, and now everyone copies the show's chase cam style.

  • I don't need a gun. I got a Donk.

  • Aug. 20, 2011, 10:27 p.m. CST

    I got a Donk

    by bah

  • Aug. 20, 2011, 10:31 p.m. CST


    by Yelsaeb

    'Nuff said!

  • Aug. 20, 2011, 10:31 p.m. CST

    Why would anyone care?

    by D.Vader

    There's a similarity in setup and punchline, but there's hardly enough there to qualify as stealing.

  • Aug. 20, 2011, 10:33 p.m. CST

    vulturess you rule!

    by chargester

  • Granted, it's the one great line from that movie. But if I'm truly honest, I just enjoy finding any chink in Whedon's armor.

  • Aug. 20, 2011, 10:48 p.m. CST

    Pictures from the event

    by wackybantha

  • Aug. 20, 2011, 10:49 p.m. CST

    Superman spotted in Smallville

    by wackybantha

  • Which is exactly how it should be. So nice to see a film where everything - cast, potential plot points, set footage, leaked dialogue and scenes - are all so spot-on. Think about how many films we see set images and footage from, and it's always boring. We got deluged with TDKR footage, and all it "raised" was a collective "meh". Avengers and Hobbit in 2012. Hundreds of millions of Hollywood dollars and massive collaborations of talented people focused on bringing these old stories of imagination to the screen. That's pretty nice.

  • Aug. 20, 2011, 11 p.m. CST

    No harm no foul, Bah

    by D.Vader

    Now if there's a line like "That's not a shield. THIS... is a shield," and Cap destroys some poor Skrull's tiny protective barrier with his flying disc made of Vibranium... that'd be funny.

  • Aug. 20, 2011, 11:20 p.m. CST

    Genderblender = Subtitles_Off

    by Roger Moon

  • Aug. 20, 2011, 11:24 p.m. CST

    Whedon is the iffy part

    by cory

    for me. Im not a huge fan of his. I loved firefly/serenity. I hated buffy, but tolerated angel and even liked it for a bit. Dr Horrible is awesome. However, the only movie he has is a low budget retread of the series, which while great, felt like a 2 hr long victory lap. I are afraid. Then again, I was afraid of Abrams before star trek bc I really disliked MI3 and it turned out great. Prove me wrong Whedon. I guess my biggest fear with him is that he cant cut the cheese factor to a reasonable level. P.S. Thank you for the cast of firefly, theyre fucking gods.

  • Aug. 21, 2011, 12:14 a.m. CST


    by Carl XVI Gustaf

    You remind me of genderb(l)ender! Where's he/she/it/they these days? Fuck I can't remember the last time I looked forward to a movie this much. I'm supposed to be an adult with little interest in this I guess? The only thing I need is great interaction between all these characters (and it sounds like that's covered), the rest is just cream on the mashed potatoes, as we say...

  • Aug. 21, 2011, 12:22 a.m. CST

    the complaining about Cap's suit confuses me more than anything

    by Gordon Bombay

    It looks pretty faithful to the comics to me. Of course it's going to be less bulky and more streamlined than the WW2 suit. It wouldn't make sense otherwise.

  • Aug. 21, 2011, 12:25 a.m. CST

    Loki: "I have an army!"

    by Christopher Bynum

    Stark: "We have a Hulk!" CM Punk (talking to Black Widow): "You have a vagina!"

  • Aug. 21, 2011, 12:25 a.m. CST

    with all the superheroes in one room.....

    by VadersErrandBoy has to ask why poor spidey never got the visit from Mr. Fury.

  • Aug. 21, 2011, 1:11 a.m. CST

    Trailer was pretty cool

    by D23attendee

    Entire room went nuts at the Avengers. JC of Mars looks, well, bland. For the trailer, if it didn't start with the stuff in the 1860's, I'd swear it was a trailer for Prince of Persia 2. The Muppts rocked pretty hard, and most of the Pixar stuff was pretty well received. Wreck-It Ralph looks like it may have the chance to be a surprise hit for WDFA.

  • Aug. 21, 2011, 1:15 a.m. CST

    I like Whedon

    by Bass Ackwards

    One thing that's always bugged me about him though is when he has groups of bad guys, they always tend to be pretty lame. I'm sure a lot of that can be blamed on budget (though my second gripe to that would be don't stage action sequences that are wildly out of your cable tv budget!). But budget aside, the bad guys, no matter how bad ass they're supposed to be, usually end up just being a mindless swarm of extras running around wildly flailing their arms about and screaming. It makes these things that are supposed to be threatening kind of silly. I hope, if there is some kind of alien threat in this movie, that he does something more interesting with them then what he's shown in the past.

  • Aug. 21, 2011, 1:52 a.m. CST

    Quint wrote a movie about a vampire slayer:

    by Quint Rules Watch it! So much better than any 12 minutes of that Buffy shit! I think we can all agree, even with BLIND's tiny budget, it, Eric Vespe's dialog blows the living shit out of anything that Wendon guy (who i understand wrote the worst Alien movie EVER) created away. I honestly don't get why Hollywood pays Wendon millions to write and direct Avengers while the mega talent Eric Vespe still hasn't been hired to write a major superhero movie. You are a bunch of assholes, Hollywood! Go fuck yourselves, hollywood asshole californicaters! You've had seven or eight years to give eric a job. Why didn't he get one at year two? Look at his movie, motherfuckers! His shit makes Buffy look ignorant. Eric you are so right to call wendon's Avengers Talky. I pray they fire him and hire you before it's too late.

  • Aug. 21, 2011, 2:27 a.m. CST

    If Bitchboom really is GenderBlender...

    by D.Vader

    I think its hilarious that she believes she was banned bc of GenderBender and not her own crazy rants. Which is funny... Banning DOES mean your name is no longer useable. So yes, if you were GenderBlender, you WERE banned. You were singled out and you were shut out. And if it was because of GenderBender, which yes might STILL be YOU... then its funny bc GenderBender still exists. Weird.

  • Aug. 21, 2011, 2:36 a.m. CST

    Sounds great, only thing is......

    by Keith Maniac

    "as Iron Man and Thor lock hands in the rain, Iron Man’s repulsors glowing brightly". I choose not to take that how it sounds.

  • Aug. 21, 2011, 3:22 a.m. CST

    Genderblender once threatened to pour hot coffee into my lap...

    by Righteous Brother

    I think she liked me! Anyway - that report sounded awesome. I'm hoping Loki is in cahoots with the skrulls in this film.

  • Aug. 21, 2011, 3:57 a.m. CST

    New AMAZING SPIDER-MAN pics over at Dark Horizons

    by BenBraddock

    No silver shoes now, but damn, that suit's a mess

  • Aug. 21, 2011, 4:15 a.m. CST

    The Avengers comic, Joss Whedon and too much dialogue....

    by davywankenobi

    If this movie does have a lot of dialogue, it can't be any worse than the Avengers comic is right now. And it will look a lot better than John Romita Jr's pencils with Klaus Jansen inking over them. While they are fine artists in the right project, they are terrible at close ups of faces, and the current run of Avergers comics features a lot of close ups while the characters talk on and on and on. Maybe they are prepping us for a wordy movie?

  • Aug. 21, 2011, 5:52 a.m. CST

    The REAL Spoiler

    by aceldama

    No reason to be coy about it. The real spoiler aout the movie? It's going to be an absolute disaster and trainwreck. Well, guess that isn't really a spoiler. Everyone knows it. There really is no excuse to make an Avengers movie. Between Marvel and DC, they've killed the whole genre.

  • Aug. 21, 2011, 7 a.m. CST

    LOKI: I have an army!

    by buggerbugger

    STARK: We have a Hulk. LOKI: I'll see your Hulk and I'll raise you a dozen Hulk Poodles. STARK: We've got... um... a Top Cat?

  • Aug. 21, 2011, 9:17 a.m. CST

    Looks like Cap has Judge Dredd's boots in that clip

    by Hesiod2k7

    Does this mean Karl Urban has Cap's boots in "Dredd"?

  • Aug. 21, 2011, 9:24 a.m. CST

    You may have a hulk, but I have dog with a force field!

    by jarjarmessiah

  • Aug. 21, 2011, 9:33 a.m. CST

    Ummm...nothing about the new Ghost Rider trailer?

    by Hesiod2k7

    You'd think that would get a little notice on this site.

  • Aug. 21, 2011, 10:03 a.m. CST

    hesiod2k7: There was a post about the GHOST RIDER trailer on Friday.

    by THE_CHOPPAH Amateur.

  • Aug. 21, 2011, 10:10 a.m. CST

    You have a Hulk but I have a girlfriend you geek fucko!

    by Arkhaminmate001

    DIE SUPERHERO MOVIE DIEEEEEEEEEEE!!!!!!! Time for some grown up movies for grown up people, not 30 year old teenagers. So sick of this crap now.

  • Aug. 21, 2011, 10:11 a.m. CST

    Genderblender comes back as bitchboom?

    by cymbalta4thedevil

    Why not GlenorGlendaBlender?

  • Aug. 21, 2011, 10:50 a.m. CST


    by dukeroberts

    Firefly and Serenity were good, but I never liked Buffy or Angel. They were always so "wink-wink, nudge-nudge, aren't I clever?" to the point that I found them unwatchable. His run on Astonishing X-Men was pretty good too.

  • Aug. 21, 2011, 10:56 a.m. CST

    You may have a dog with a force field, but I have...

    by Horgy

    Fin Fang Foom, who eats forcefield dogs!

  • Aug. 21, 2011, 11:02 a.m. CST


    by brassai2003

    SKRULLS! That is all.

  • Aug. 21, 2011, 11:06 a.m. CST

    Nature vs Nurture, bitchboom?

    by D.Vader

    Funny. I didn't realize that learning something (like duck Duck Goose) imprints on a person's genes too. Weird.

  • Aug. 21, 2011, 11:09 a.m. CST


    by UltimaRex

    I'd MUCH rather be a thirtysomething teenager than a thirtysomething BABY. WAH, they are making a movie I don't like. WAH, these movies make the money to fund the movies I DO like. WAH, it's sssooooo unfair. WAH, WAH, WAH... Shut the fuck up. No one told you to be here or pay these movies any mind. Just fuck off.

  • Aug. 21, 2011, 12:01 p.m. CST

    Word Bibleman

    by brooklyndodger

    Some movies, once seen, deserve to be ragged on (I'm thinking Green Lantern this summer specifically) But Jesus Christ... ragging on a movie that'll be released in a year? That takes a special kind of pathetic. I think a lot of it is straight jealousy of never having done anything creative in their life, while people in the movie industry get paid to use their imaginations. I remain pumped about all these updates. I've always dreamed of a shared universe movie world and it's crazy to see it's actually about to happen.

  • Aug. 21, 2011, 12:11 p.m. CST

    rsanta- Marvel diluting their characters

    by deelzbub

    If you have ten or fifteen Hulks running around, what makes the original unique? If you have ten or fifteen Spider-people swinging around, what makes the original unique? That is obviously something Marvel has not thought through very well. They (Marvel And DC, for that matter) should have taken a note from the Captain Marvel family, and realized when you have so many characters with the same powers, you are not making the character better or more accessible, you are just diluting your originality. My sarcastic point about there being only one Hulk, was meant to infer that there is only ONE true Hulk, and all the others are imposters, and the result of really poor imaginations.

  • Aug. 21, 2011, 12:34 p.m. CST

    PLEASE get the Hulk right!

    by Ironhelix

    I am a fan of the first movie, but still feel that it didn't really capture the Hulk properly. I really hope that they are able to get at the tragic side of the Hulk, and not just have him smash shit (which is still important, but NOT everything).

  • Aug. 21, 2011, 12:43 p.m. CST

    Bitchboom, Conan failed because it sucked


    And not even marketing polish could hide that fact. I love your retardo "Everyone loves Apes!" justification for the success of Apes... which, along with the success of several other geeky movies this year (not the least of which is Thor at a whopping $450 million), represents a complete breakdown of your fangeek argument.

  • The same problem with modern Superman. He used to be the most unique creature in the unvierse,not only because of his powers but mostly because he was truly the last and only one of his kind. Nowadays he is not that unique and alone: He has two cousins,two clones,a dog,a bunch of bad guys,a woman incognito and a whole city in a bottle to give him company. And not to mention his multiple incarnations from alternate universes and alternate timelines. At least with Batman,this problem is limited only to his sidekicks.He remains unique because he is the motherfucking BATMAN.

  • Aug. 21, 2011, 12:52 p.m. CST

    =Conan failed because it sucked=

    by KilliK

    i disagree.Conan failed because the modern,young audience doesnt give a fuck for movies of this kind. Transfromers 3 sucked too but it has grossed 1B dollars. Accept it guys,times have changed and with them Hollywood too.

  • Aug. 21, 2011, 12:56 p.m. CST


    by red_eddie

    I hope the hulk is exactly like in the art work !

  • Aug. 21, 2011, 12:56 p.m. CST

    cant believe this movie is being made

    by red_eddie

  • Aug. 21, 2011, 12:59 p.m. CST


    by No time for Haters

    I love the fact that ARKHAM INMATE is saying he's tired of comic book movies and telling people to grow up.

  • Aug. 21, 2011, 1:14 p.m. CST

    Bob Orci, cum smuggler?

    by D.Vader

    Hah! Dude if you were talking about "longer" clips, you should have said so. Instead, you just looked clueless.

  • Aug. 21, 2011, 1:15 p.m. CST

    I'll quote ya, Bob

    by D.Vader

    You said "Pretty amazing stuff, especially the filming of Thor knocking the hell out of a car with Mjolnir. Even on set, it looks real." You're speaking as if no one here at AICN had seen a clip of THOR hitting a car with the hammer, as if AICN didn't post a story on i already. POOF

  • Aug. 21, 2011, 1:22 p.m. CST

    And "the ones from weeks ago", Spellchecker?

    by D.Vader

    What on earth are you talking about? Clearly, you really *haven't* been paying attention, have you? Thor hitting a car with Mjolnir only popped up on the 19th.

  • You'd be saying the same thing about Apes if it had failed.

  • Aug. 21, 2011, 1:35 p.m. CST

    @red_eddie where can i see the art work? any link?

    by KilliK

  • Aug. 21, 2011, 1:38 p.m. CST

    The Talky Vs Action question is moot

    by boosebaster

    You tend to find the Whedon's most important conversations happen DURING action scenes. It will be packed with both.

  • Doh!

  • Aug. 21, 2011, 2:29 p.m. CST

    Killik, Batman is not unique. I got 2 words for you: Batman Inc.

    by hank henshaw

    What's more, DC is about to release a black Batman, err, I mean "Batwing". These days the Batmen are about as unique as all the kryptonians running wild in the DCU. :-/

  • Aug. 21, 2011, 3:57 p.m. CST

    These stories are like the morning radio shows

    by Mugato5150

    That describe all the naked girls in the studio.

  • Aug. 21, 2011, 4:06 p.m. CST


    by irc-Hollywood

  • Aug. 21, 2011, 4:41 p.m. CST

    I dont see those ASM

    by ajt2111

    Went over to Dark Horizons, maybe I'm just not seeing the link...

  • Aug. 21, 2011, 4:48 p.m. CST

    Why always so coy with the footage?

    by davidwebb

    I appreciate there's a bit of exclusivity here, what with it being Disney's expo and all - but for the rest of us who are aren't there, and really want to see the footage, it's a bit crap being kept at an arm's length.

  • Aug. 21, 2011, 4:52 p.m. CST

    Well yeah? I have a Pokemon!

    by Zurge

    And Bitchier snarkery. PS. Loki is a fucking Frost Giant with acces to many powerful baddies, but for Script's sake, we'll pretend my toy is stronger than your toy.

  • I was disappointed that this vital information was not included in this report.

  • Aug. 21, 2011, 6:05 p.m. CST

    Thor and Iron Man holding hands?

    by rev_skarekroe

    This movie's gonna be saucy!

  • Aug. 21, 2011, 6:08 p.m. CST


    by Ribbons

    Pretty sure Loki burned his rainbow bridge with the Frost Giants when he killed their fucking king (spoilers). I can't think of any other powerful baddies he'd have access to aside from the army he just mentioned before the "bitchier snarkery".

  • Aug. 21, 2011, 6:13 p.m. CST

    "I have an army!" "We have a Hulk!" 'Well i also have AIDS.

    by KilliK

    and i will start spitting at you motherfuckers right now,Hulk or no Hulk."

  • Sounds awesome. Leak the video please!

  • Aug. 21, 2011, 6:45 p.m. CST

    And that's supposed to be a compliment.

    by Subtitles_Off

    Crackerfarmboy is stroking his cock. For two superheroes smashing up cars. That, right there, explains it all. Everything in crackerfarmboy's nut-shell.

  • Aug. 21, 2011, 9:18 p.m. CST

    The shots and footage of Cap and Thor fighting the Skrulls...

    by leroyspoboys

    What you guys are missing is the CGI Iron Man and Hulk that will get added in post. All four back to back, with a bit of dialougue will make an amazing Whedonesque scene.

  • Aug. 21, 2011, 10:16 p.m. CST

    i like a bit of ass play with my superheroes

    by Roger Moon

  • Aug. 21, 2011, 10:20 p.m. CST

    Missed you so much bitchboom

    by Roger Moon

    you can lower the boom on my bitch anyday

  • Aug. 21, 2011, 10:33 p.m. CST

    No, the Thing remake is not going to be awesome.

    by kevred

    It's going to be as lame as we all think it is. Everything cool about those images was also cool in 1982. They're just doing the same thing over again.

  • Aug. 22, 2011, 3:52 a.m. CST

    "PLANET OF THE APES isn't geek cinema".... WHA?!?

    by NoGoddamnShame

    Girl, you're gonna have to cut back on going down on your vibrator when it's on full whack. The vibes are messing with your head. PLANET OF THE APES is one of the CORNERSTONES of geek cinema. Star Wars, Star Trek, Planet of the Apes. More or less in that order. I agree on 3-D though. Maybe MicroSoft will sell enough Kinects to consider licensing the tech when someone figures out how to put multi-voxels on a screen but by then it might be too late...

  • Aug. 22, 2011, 4:48 a.m. CST

    PLANET OF THE APES isn't geek cinema in Bizarro world.

    by Carl XVI Gustaf

    So if something is popular it isn't geek cinema? Well you have your opinion well covered then, can't lose. I do hope the crap 3D goes away tho, the only ones worth it are movies shot in 3D, shown in IMAX.

  • Aug. 22, 2011, 6:21 a.m. CST

    Link to two new AMAZING SPIDER-MAN promo images

    by BenBraddock

    Haven't seen these up at AICN: It's a busy mess but at least the silver shoes are gone

  • Aug. 22, 2011, 6:45 a.m. CST

    Planet of the Apes is the epitomy of Geek

    by Nabster

    anyone who thinks otherwise is a fool.

  • Aug. 22, 2011, 6:49 a.m. CST

    Maybe we need some remakes to bomb heavily

    by BenBraddock

    If we're ever gonna get rid of "remake fever"

  • Aug. 22, 2011, 7:04 a.m. CST

    shorter bitchboom

    by mcgoocain

    Geek movie suck. 3D movies suck. Geek movies suck at the BO. 3D movies suck at the box office. Geek movies and 3D movies are destroying pop culture. I am a woman. All you other people here are not. You all suck because you are geeks who like to talk about geek movies. I like to post comments here because? hmmm... haven't figured that one out yet..... because I ..... hmmmmm....because.....

  • Aug. 22, 2011, 7:41 a.m. CST

    they're gonna run out of shit to remake, right?


    I mean, they're doin an Alien prequel. What's left of sci-fi, they gonna remake Back to the Future?

  • Aug. 22, 2011, 8:26 a.m. CST


    by stvnhthr

    Just got back from being detoured all over downtown Cleveland by Avengers sets. Looks epic! Can't wait.

  • Aug. 22, 2011, 8:34 a.m. CST

    Vampire movies are now "geeky" flicks?

    by D.Vader


  • Aug. 22, 2011, 8:55 a.m. CST

    My question is

    by OSAMP1

    Why would Loki be worried about falling 30,000 feet. If he is a demi god or whatever (granted he might not be able to fly, don't really know the character that well) would the fall really hurt him?

  • Aug. 22, 2011, 9:09 a.m. CST

    Sounds great. What is d23?

    by Knobules

    Sorry Im not in the loop;

  • Aug. 22, 2011, 9:14 a.m. CST


    by BetaSword

    How can those Disney-Guys hog this Video, when releasing it would only increase the Interest for this Movie.

  • Aug. 22, 2011, 9:26 a.m. CST

    @bitchboom wtf are you talking about?

    by KilliK

    3D is here to stay.Otherwise the studios and the consumer electronics companies wouldnt have invested so much on it. At this point,although 3D is not as widespread as they expected to be,there is a lot of condifence that its popularity and consumer market penetration will increase by next year. This confidence is backed up by the fact that there are 3D movies which turn out to be major blockbusters (TF3 being the most recent example),3D gaming is fully supported and promoted by PS3 and Nvision and also that 3D-TV are becoming a lot cheaper to buy. But there are two things that must be done if the companeis and studios want the 3D to become the norm: 1.The expensive tickets for 3d movies shouldnt be considered as premium but instead their price should be cut down to that of 2d tickets. OFC this is something that studios wont want to do but maybe they reconsider in the future. 2.The glasses must go.The technologies for that exist already,but time is needed until they be affordable accesible for the mainstream market. 3D is not a gimmick just like sound or color were not a gimmick when they were introduced in cinema/tv.It is a promising technology,it enhances the visual entertainment a lot and it might even be used for artistic purposes,but it needs the necessary time and changes until it becomes the standard for the home/cinema entertainment.

  • from wiki:

  • Aug. 22, 2011, 9:29 a.m. CST

    in other words something like the E3 or Blizzcon or Comicon

    by KilliK

    but it is exclusively about everything Disney related.

  • Where have you been this summer? First the numbers showed that Blu-Ray 3-D sales have been virtually a joke, nearly half of the units "sold" were giveaways with TVs and players. For TV, nobody is watching ESPN in 3-D, some cable systems have actually removed it because of lack of interest. In theaters, the majority of the marketplace showed that 3-D is not here to stay. Stocks on Real3D died, they can tell the splits between 2-D and 3-D shows were tilted in the former on MOST of the big summer movies. It actually became a crutch instead of an asset as audiences decided not to eat the ticket premiums (hello last weekend -- 3 flops all in a row, all in 3-D, SPY KIDS, CONAN and FRIGHT NIGHT). As far as "artistic merit" goes, 3-D darkens the screen, makes cinematography look drab and lifeless. 3-D integration will become a part of every TV sold, which is how it will "stick around" -- but that doesn't mean the masses will ever use it. Right now there are no numbers, anywhere, to support widespread interest in 3-D. Hollywood learned a big lesson this summer too, just look at the stock prices and the numbers.

  • Aug. 22, 2011, 9:56 a.m. CST

    Planet of the Apes is geek cinema

    by Righteous Brother

    That has crossed over to the mainstream, like Star Wars, Star Trek etc. Is Bitchboom, Gender Blender? Also I look forward to 3d just fucking off, unless they can do it properly i.e. so you can see what the fuck is going on during action scenes.

  • Aug. 22, 2011, 10:04 a.m. CST

    Thanks all. And welcome back Bitchboom

    by Knobules

    Wasn't the same without you..

  • Aug. 22, 2011, 10:36 a.m. CST

    bitchboom, I can almost admire your quixotic efforts...

    by kisskissbangbang bash geekery in its heartland, though, since my own quixotic quest is for reasonable discussion, the operative phrase is "almost." I'm less impressed by your method of loudly predicting box office failure for all geek movies, which hasn't been terribly successful so far; but since box office prediction is itself pretty quixotic, even for the "experts", it does fit your general style. What I'm genuinely curious about is what kind of movie you'd like to see do well. Tree of Life? Midnight in Paris? Winter's Bone? Are there big-budget Hollywood movies you like? And do you accept it's possible to like both geek and non-geek films? I personally admired all three of the films mentioned above (with a few reservations about the first), but also enjoyed Thor and X-Men: First Class this summer. I wouldn't put all these movies on the same level, by any means, but I didn't regret seeing any of them. I'd like to have a conversation with you, and mean this most sincerely. Is there any way to convince you I'm just a windmill, and not another giant to tilt at? Hope so. At least, I made an attempt. (As I said, I'm somewhat quixotic myself.)

  • ...for the first two paragraphs, until you veer off into wild generalization and ad hominem attack in the third. Is this really necessary to make your point?

  • ...till your third paragraph, when you veered off into caricature and ad hominem attack. Was this really necessary to make your point?

  • Aug. 22, 2011, 11:02 a.m. CST

    Sorry for the double post; I thought it hadn't gone through...

    by kisskissbangbang


  • Aug. 22, 2011, 11:07 a.m. CST

    kisskissbangbang, don't bother with her

    by D.Vader

    She's not interested in conversation, no matter what she says. All she's interested in is insulting most everyone here and in spreading false information. That's her MO, and its been obvious in every post she makes.

  • Aug. 22, 2011, 11:13 a.m. CST


    by poop

    it's green. green pee .

  • Aug. 22, 2011, 12:10 p.m. CST


    by poop

    It says DEEP green. not BRIGHT green, you fucking idiot.

  • Aug. 22, 2011, 12:27 p.m. CST

    ask about the origin of my name

    by poop

    i dare you.

  • a lot like Bruce Willis in "Die Hard With A Vengeance" walking through Harlem with signs strapped to him reading, "I Hate Niggers." AI001, just piss off already.

  • or geeky comic book movies like Superman 1&2, Spider-Man 1-3, Batman (Burton and Nolan), Iron-Man 1&2, and others. geeky and mass appeal are not mutually exclusive.

  • ...This is the kind of post that occasionally makes me think bitchboom has a point.

  • Aug. 22, 2011, 1:13 p.m. CST

    dahveed1972, I agree — geek and mass appeal are not contradictory

    by blakindigo

    But, there is something troubling about the rampant fetishization of minutiae among the 'geek order' that would substitute fantasy for real life experience; the supercilious arrogance of petty and closed minded geeks; denial of many 'real' facts like mistaking SF concepts for real science; and the sometimes incessant narcissism that's created when one lacks empathy and is rooted in basic misconceptions of human behaviour. I know you didn't go on about any of these things, but your post (and bitchboom's above) is a good place to start discussing these attitudes.

  • Aug. 22, 2011, 1:21 p.m. CST

    Conan failed because...

    by Darth Macchio

    the theory that people don't like those types of movies and have moved on doesn't really play out considering that each of the LotR movies have made over a billion dollars each by this point and its all within the last 10 years. Tastes do, of course, move on but not usually that fast. After all, how many new television shows next season are about one of the 3: (1) police, (2) doctors, (3) lawyers? And how long has it been that way? (answer: since the 70's) Granted, even tho both are clearly 'fantasy' they are very different in scope and context within the genre but I have to agree that if Conan flopped it's because "it sucked" and many people will wait to drop the $10 per ticket in the cinema, preferring word of mouth or even sites like AICN, etc. I'm glad to hear the reports that its not Momoa that was at fault. And my my my is there a lot of "geek" hate lately. I guess all geeks look alike, yes? But please continue, the irony is quite delicious.

  • Aug. 22, 2011, 1:27 p.m. CST

    this will mark the end of comic book movies

    by Joe Jones

    why? joss whedon. "we have a hulk!" glad to see tony stark be so deliciously teenage girly/bitchy. can you imagine how bitchy maria hill will be? i can already hear the verbal smack/snark-downs she'll be issuing to the male characters. wasp, too. it'll be hilarious. *p-tooie* this guy cannot do male characters and his sensibilities have zero mass appeal - see, uh, everything he has ever done, and how he hasn't had anything succeed in years. i'll never understand why they handed the reigns of their "huge" hero franchise to a guy who is notorious for clipping the nuts off his male characters, has a TV asthetic (you see it all over Avengers footage, like Serenity, his last bomb), and has no mass appeal. mark my words - this is the beginning of the end for comic book movies (thank god). this mess will make mainstream male audiences feel like dweebs for being into it at all.

  • Aug. 22, 2011, 1:34 p.m. CST

    Loki should call Galactus...

    by Zurge

    Yo Galactus, that little bitch who turns into fire is here pretending he's Captain America, come and get your revenge homeboy!

  • Aug. 22, 2011, 1:45 p.m. CST

    Thanks for the kind response, bitchboom....

    by kisskissbangbang

    ...(wow, it's hard to make that sound sincerely polite with a handle like yours, even if it does come from a comics sound effect.) I myself can only post intermittently today, so we'll chat in soundbites as time permits. I am curious to see that long post from you when you have the chance, though. (And my own personal favorites, as far as comics sound effects go, are KABRADADABOOM!, from an old Hulk, I think, and, in second place, THAKKAKAPOW!, from an old Sgt. Fury and His Howling Commandos. Something about the internal repetition, I think.)

  • Aug. 22, 2011, 2:42 p.m. CST

    Now that I think about it, my last post is a good springboard...

    by kisskissbangbang

    ...for responding to blakindigo's point about "the rampant fetishization of minutiae". Comic book sound effects do indeed count as minutiae, but I don't think I'm making a fetish of them as long as I bear in mind that there are more important aspects to comics (or life). After all, an eye for detail is one of the things we praise artists like Kubrick for--it's just not the only thing we praise. There's absolutely nothing wrong with paying close attention to the details if you can keep some perspective on them; and I'd guess that it's the frequent loss of a sense of proportion by fans that blakindigo is referring to. As C. S. Lewis noted in Perelandra, love does not disdain the smallest kindnesses, as hate does not disdain the smallest slights. If we love something or someone, we often show it by noticing "the little things"--and the someones we love usually appreciate it. Providing we don't lose forests for trees, it's fine to linger over a single oak, or even its prettiest leaf. (That's why I correct every typo I can find before posting--because I love you guys! *sniff*)

  • Aug. 22, 2011, 3:01 p.m. CST

    bitchboom, that's a nice second choice on your part...

    by kisskissbangbang

    ...I think John Workman was Simonson's letterer on Thor, and he had a nice ear for the sound effects. So did Ken Bruzenak on American Flagg!; he had either guns or vehicles (I sadly no longer remember which) going OOOMPOPPAMAOMAO! at one point. Inspired. And I second the love for Simonson's Thor. Can't quite decide whether it tops mid-to-late Lee/Kirby, but they're way ahead of whatever's in third. And the issue with Skurge holding the bridge in Hel may be the best issue of Thor anyone ever did.

  • Aug. 22, 2011, 3:15 p.m. CST

    Forgot the mandatory quote...

    by kisskissbangbang

    ..." "He stood alone at Gjallerbru." And that answer is enough." *sniff* God, I'm emotional today.

  • Aug. 22, 2011, 3:34 p.m. CST

    I think BOB ORCI would actually make a shitty SPELLCHECKER

    by DoctorWho?

    Considering all of the information he keeps getting wrong here.

  • Aug. 22, 2011, 3:35 p.m. CST

    Bob Orci isn't a spellchecker

    by poop

    That's why that annoying-ass dude has the monicker "Bob Orci's Spellchecker". DUH WINNING

  • Aug. 22, 2011, 3:45 p.m. CST


    by UltimaRex

    Even if you were right (and you're not): The Dark Knight Rises. Man of Steel. Thanks for playing. Now fuck off.

  • Aug. 22, 2011, 4:01 p.m. CST


    by DoctorWho?

    Love the origin of your name by the way...<p> Anyone commenting with authority on ''Walt Simonson's stunninly awesome run on THOR''... as you have, reveals some serious geek ''street-cred''.

  • The overwhelming majority who post on this board had nothing but negative things to say, and predicted how bad it would suck. No wonder the collective opinion on this site is no-longer valued or accurate.

  • Aug. 22, 2011, 4:28 p.m. CST

    I refuse to see APES

    by DoctorWho?

    I can't bear to watch that chimp get abused for two whole acts. Agonizing.

  • Aug. 22, 2011, 4:41 p.m. CST

    Ken Ken Bruzenak innovated comic book lettering on American Flagg!

    by blakindigo

    Walt Simonson did things that still boggle the mind. And, he was writing and drawing to boot. A first rate talent.

  • Aug. 22, 2011, 5:48 p.m. CST

    blakindigo, why even engage these uber-geeks if they upset you?

    by dahveed1972

    the people you are railing against are VERY easily avoided. but if you're gonna hang out at a site like this, they're an obvious fact of life. unless you just like aggravation, why not just ignore them? simply skip over the posts by the usual suspects, and only respond to those posters who meet your standards. problem solved.

  • Aug. 22, 2011, 5:51 p.m. CST

    and gaymede, youre exaggerating about the Apes trailer

    by dahveed1972

    There were plenty on both sides. I was actually psyched after i saw that trailer, as were plenty of other posters. A lound minority (the same 5-7 trolls making multiple posts) were predictably negative, but who the hell cares?

  • Whether you approve of Franco's character taking him home is one thing, but other than a few seconds of Draco Malffoy being an asshole, there isnt any real brutality involved. And given the inevitable, and all-encompassing retribution that comes in the 3rd act, id say the scales are more than balanced by the end (for Caesar anyway).

  • Aug. 22, 2011, 5:58 p.m. CST

    I'm not gay for Whedon either

    by Saracen1

    but this sounds pretty promising.

  • Aug. 22, 2011, 10:35 p.m. CST

    bitchboom, now I'm the one with little time to post...

    by kisskissbangbang

    ...but since I checked in and found you here, kind enough to have answered my questions, I wanted to make at least a couple of remarks. (And since no one else seems to have been here for a while, it's almost like a private conversation.) The first thing I'd like to say is that we agree on Elizabeth and its sequel: what a wonderful film the first was! What a waste the second! So that's nice for starters. As for the others, I haven't seen Waitress, Black Swan, and Raise The Red Lantern, but intend to catch up with them someday. I've seen and at least respect all the others, though I don't have much affection for The Sound of Music, which is odd, because I love musicals more than any other straight guy I know, and I really like Rodgers & Hammerstein. My favorites would be Aliens, Death and The Maiden, & Silence of the Lambs, with Aliens slightly leading (I suppose because sf is my favorite genre (unsurprising given that I'm here), with musicals right after that; gangster films and westerns would be at the bottom, though I've learned to appreciate the best). You've got a good cross-section there, far more than some of the monomaniacs the site attracts. I've got to help a neighbor with something, so I've got to sign off, but I'll try to get back shortly. Glad to have had this chance to talk if I don't.

  • Aug. 22, 2011, 11:09 p.m. CST

    Wow, dahveed1972

    by DoctorWho?

    That's a totally different account from what I heard someone relay about the movie. I heard someone describing how they had to leave the movie because they were traumatizing the ape in a number of ways. Weird. Well, good to sounds like I could enjoy it.

  • Aug. 23, 2011, 12:38 a.m. CST


    by Carl XVI Gustaf

    So to you movies are only good if the women are in the spot light and/or kicking names and taking arse (did I do that wrong?). I can see why you're so bitter then.

  • Aug. 23, 2011, 12:39 a.m. CST

    I am gay for Whedon

    by yourSTEPDADDY

    and this sounds super duper promising... everything Whedon does (to me) is promising from "failed" shows like Dollhouse (which is excellent in my opinion) to movies that was made a decade ago but still hasnt gotten a trailer yet (Cabin in the Woods, which is the very first script Ive ever read... youd think an aspiring screenwriter wouldve read more but nope_ to just letters written by Whedon pertaining to hack writers trying to reboot his stories (that lady who tried to reboot Buffy) in short, Whedon is one of my four Gods. all hail Whedon!!! PS: the other Gods if you care or not... Taratino, Kevin Smith during his "View Askewniverse" time, and Matt Stone/Trey Parker PPS: Im bored... so thats why Im here telling you about my creative love for Whedon... he can splooge all over my scripts anytime, anyday

  • Aug. 23, 2011, 12:44 a.m. CST

    I really have nothing to say to this bitchboom dude...

    by yourSTEPDADDY

    but I think I will start saying "bitch... boom" when I wanna end a heated conversation with someone thanks bitchboom! PS: bitch... boom

  • Aug. 23, 2011, 12:47 a.m. CST

    and since Im actually posting...

    by yourSTEPDADDY

    can someone give me a update of what I missed? who has been chopped? is bitchboy beaks still a bitchboy? has Harry been given any new toys for movies which are surprisingly "good" movies to him? and where is my best buddy braindrain?

  • Aug. 23, 2011, 12:48 a.m. CST

    Back again for a while at least...

    by kisskissbangbang

    ...I wanted to touch on your remark about "marvellous storytelling within a feminist mindset". First off, I consider myself a feminist. (I know, easy for me to say. I've met men who treated women like dirt who claimed the same.) Cinematically, this translates into preferring female characters who are strong and smart and chart their own course (though I'll cop to liking them even better if they're attractive in the bargain. Still, better to be attracted to Diana Rigg or Mary Tyler Moore than Eva Gabor or Tina Louise, to cite actresses I grew up with). But while I prefer movies that feature such female characters, I can appreciate or even enjoy those without them. You see movies through more of a political prism than I do, and that's understandable, since our society is still sexist enough that feminism is more of a luxury for a man and more of a necessity for a woman. But I would guess that it's much easier for me to watch Some Like It Hot or The Taming of the Shrew with pleasure than it is for you, and I suspect the deeply sexist Connery Bonds, which I retain a fondness for, are closed books to you. After all, historical perspective is always easiest for those who never had to fight the battles. So I would never tell you that you had to appreciate Marjorie Morningstar, anymore than I'd complain about someone black not appreciating the editing in Birth of a Nation. And I have my own limits: I will never be able to watch Irreversible, or several other movies with degrading rape scenes; it was tough enough watching The Accused, even though it's a feminist film with one of Jodie Foster's finest performances. And I agree that feminist filmmaking that showcases independent women can encompass a wide range of genres and stories, and I hope its range grows wider still. All that said, I still expect that we'll have some strong differences on a number of films, and I hope that you won't take them as evidence of my unreconstructed boorishness. For my part, my respect for your opinions has grown considerably today, and I will listen to them in the future with as much fair-mindedness as I can muster. I have to go to work early tomorrow and to bed now, but I'd like to carry on our conversation if we could, if only to get into the rest of your post. Back here tomorrow evening? If not, it's been both enlightening and fun.

  • Aug. 23, 2011, 1:07 a.m. CST

    Guys, if you treated bitchboom as a person...

    by kisskissbangbang

    ...instead of a target, you might get a surprise. She's been nothing but civil and friendly to me so far. And as for you guys, to quote some mad scientist, "I know you have a civil tongue in your head! I sewed it in myself!" Back to the slab, I guess...

  • Aug. 23, 2011, 1:15 a.m. CST

    Ah, I remember the mad scientist who said it now.....

    by kisskissbangbang

    ...Whit Bissell in I Was A Teenage Frankenstein. (I prefer I Was A Teenage Werewolf myself, but it's still a good line.)

  • And that wasn't her doing. Her legitimate posts and opinions were being hijacked.

  • Aug. 23, 2011, 1:37 a.m. CST

    bitchboom is not a person


    bitchboom is a persona. a femi-nazi troll who drinks too much coffee.

  • Aug. 23, 2011, 2:08 a.m. CST


    by Carl XVI Gustaf

    Oh and the whole time I thought your new sweetheart had been targeting "us" geeks. Sorry I got that wrong. Cunts, the both of you. And not in a good way. Cause there is a good way. Fuck I look forward to The Avengers!

  • Aug. 23, 2011, 2:10 a.m. CST

    And winona_ryders_pussy_juice isn't a person behind their persona?...

    by kisskissbangbang

    ...or am I supposed to believe in sentient vaginal moistness that learned to type one drop at a time? Go on, pull the other one. So she's got heavy political commitments. So does everybody who shows up in a talkback that brings up a divisive issue like Michael Moore or Sarah Palin. Doesn't mean they're not people and shouldn't be treated accordingly. Every sock puppet has a real person's hand up it ass. Talk to the hand, not the puppet. Shoot the woodcock, not the scream. My trains of thought are going down some strange tracks now. Time for bed, I think. Subsequently.

  • Aug. 23, 2011, 2:37 a.m. CST

    carl xvi gustaf, you're a person, too...

    by kisskissbangbang

    ...and I'll assume you're worth getting to know, too, and have more to offer than cheap insults if I can find the right topic. Sure, she's done some trolling. But look back at our posts. I tried to treat her like a human being, and that's how she treated me. No trolling; an actual conversation. It's on the record. I've already got a girlfriend; I don't need a "new sweetheart". And I'm no more a cunt than you are. There's no need for any of us to diminish the rest of us and reduce each other to body parts and dehumanize each other. Well, OK, maybe Michael Bay, who actually _is_ a Decepticon. But the rest of us? Merely and gloriously human. You, too. We'll find some common ground, someday, and learn to respect each other, and both be better for it. (Unless you're Michael Bay.) Until that day, fare well. (And if it helps, I'm looking forward to The Avengers movie, too! Avengers Assemble!)

  • Aug. 23, 2011, 2:39 a.m. CST

    Apes was the best movie of the summer for me, then came....

    by The Founder

    Thor, Harry Potter and Xmen! The rest ranged rom Summer popcorn Fluff to mediocre.

  • Aug. 23, 2011, 2:56 a.m. CST

    best movie of the summer?

    by yourSTEPDADDY

    ATTACK THE BLOCK! Shit was funny and fun and I got to see it for free (thanks to a certain bitchboy contributor here)... PS: This was before it became cool to praise ATB (or before everyone hated it due to "too much press") PPS: um... why arent there more screenings in ya know, the movie capital of the world? do I have to move to Austin just so I can see free movies?

  • Aug. 23, 2011, 3:08 a.m. CST

    Merely and gloriously human.

    by UltimaRex

    Don't remind me.

  • Aug. 23, 2011, 4:58 a.m. CST

    so now genderblender has fanbois? lol wtf, seriously


    you just got fuckin trolled.

  • Aug. 23, 2011, 5 a.m. CST

    please, someone tell me why the hulk sucks and he's sexist


    because they make him big and ridiculously strong to mock the weaker female body. because theres not enough of that shit here. i fucking demand more hyperactive talkbacker parody troll spammers, one is not enough!

  • Aug. 23, 2011, 5:18 a.m. CST

    @kisskissbangbang: well I am a cunt, that's true, but the good kind.

    by Carl XVI Gustaf

    Maybe my post was a bit harsh towards you, I genuinely apologize for that! I'm just a bit fed up with BenderBitchGenderBlenderTroll. That's all. Say hi to your girlfriend from me.

  • Aug. 23, 2011, 9:12 a.m. CST

    The Avengers (2010) cartoon is fantastic!

    by Stabby

    It's streaming on Netflix right now if you haven't seen it. And you should! Can't recommend it highly enough. Just wanted to post something positive here to counter all the negativity.

  • ..."Wrll, it was there a minute ago."

  • Nor the illegal poaching of chimps. But the movie doesnt really dwell (visually anyway) on these acts, and since Caesar is "adopted" by Franco as an infant, hes spared his mothers fate. Believe me, the movie wouldnt have such broad appeal if the first hour was chimps being abused. Caesar's fortunes change for the worse of course later in the movie, but the reversal isnt very long in coming.

  • Aug. 23, 2011, 10:39 a.m. CST


    by D.Vader

    Where the fuck have you been?

  • Aug. 23, 2011, 2:42 p.m. CST


    by Carl XVI Gustaf

    Hey, my first name is Lisa too, that was weird. I don't come here to hate on geeks tho.

  • Aug. 23, 2011, 3 p.m. CST

    Stabby, agreed

    by Mattman

    I watched the first two episodes last night and enjoyed it. The animation is a bit simplistic (guess I'm spoiled by the new Thundercats) but it's very entertaining and doesn't seem to cater just to kids.

  • Aug. 23, 2011, 3:34 p.m. CST


    by mcgoocain

    Weird. Really weird. My first name is also Lisa. But I don't split my time bashing geeks, tallying bad BO details, seeing 3D as something evil, and also pointing out sexism in the media, saving the world from sexism, one bad video game at a time. And you get paid? Sure, whatever. tell us where to find your work - let us see what you are doing to make the world a better place. I am curious because I was an entertainment editor for a newspaper for 6 years, and I am curious about your writing abilities Sometimes a cloud is just a cloud, but if you look hard enough, that cloud just might be a sexist cloud. Who the heck do you think you are fooling, other than yourself?

  • Aug. 23, 2011, 6:59 p.m. CST

    Thread hijack!


    This thread is now about Captain America's sexist helmet wings! By castrating Captain America's wings off his helmet it symbolizes the evil onslaught of femi-naziism in popular culture, where paranoid, selfish, psychotic bitches try to cut off anything phallic or empowering to men! The Cap wings showed a masculine strength, he is a man and he represents the masculine strength and power of America and America's manly military. He has so much testosterone he can fly. But in today's world, where psycho bitches rule supreme, it's impossible for his wings to co-exist. The bitches cut them off.

  • ...and people who feel attacked tend to retaliate in kind. But now that she's written several non-disparaging posts abut what kind of movies she loves and who she is and the point of view she's coming from, the vitriol continues. Some of you are doing your best to confirm her worst expectations of us. Why? This isn't Fight Club, it's AICN. We're here to talk about the movies we love and find cool. It's inevitable that we'll disagree; it's not inevitable that we do so viciously. She's started to talk movies, not box office or the most dismal aspects of our tribe. She's an ardent feminist, but that doesn't stop her from liking a fairly wide range of films that are worth discussing; it might even inform her discussion of them in interesting ways. So let's discuss them, OK? Give her a chance (if she still wants it). Both sides might learn something, find fresh perspectives, discover cool new movies and shows. This last, in particular, is why we're supposed to be here. Let's act like it.

  • Aug. 24, 2011, 1:30 a.m. CST


    by yourSTEPDADDY

    I just been busy living the hollywood dream (meaning, not doing nothing and tryin to get high). but in all seriousness, I just been busy working I may not be back full fledged like in the past, Im just outta weed and bored right now PS: my return may be short lived seeing as I am banned easily compared to those who actually troll and bitch at Harry (ie harrythepedo)

  • wait... so we discuss movies here and/or what we find cool? when has that happened? i thought this was somewhere we call each other gay/a pedophile if they find a petite actress attractive or call each other idiots if they find certain movies *coughXMEN3SPIDERMAN3TF2cough* enjoyable damn, has AICN changed that much since I was gone?

  • Aug. 24, 2011, 2:42 a.m. CST


    by yourSTEPDADDY


  • Aug. 24, 2011, 6:30 a.m. CST


    by Hipshot

    The only way to raise children "without sexism" is if they were raised by aliens who reproduced asexually. Feminists, by definition, have a gender-based agenda. Too often, their rhetoric about men sounds EXACTLY like "sexist male" rhetoric toward women, only in reverse. Hopefully, the folks you're working for don't fall into that--but if they think women's attitudes toward life and/or men are one jot more enlightened than those of men towards life and/or women, then they are by definition nurturing a sexist belief--that women are superior. Rotsa ruck raising "gender neutral" "non-sexist" kids coming from that position.

  • And what you expected? That Scarlet Jonahsson's Black Widow character would be the love interest of all the guys in the team just because she's the only female?

  • Aug. 24, 2011, 8:56 a.m. CST


    by mcgoocain

    She's started to talk movies, not box office or the most dismal aspects of our tribe. She's an ardent feminist, but that doesn't stop her from liking a fairly wide range of films that are worth discussing; it might even inform her discussion of them in interesting ways. So let's discuss them, OK? Give her a chance (if she still wants it). Both sides might learn something, find fresh perspectives, discover cool new movies and shows. This last, in particular, is why we're supposed to be here. Let's act like it.

  • Aug. 24, 2011, 9 a.m. CST


    by mcgoocain

    She's started to talk movies, not box office or the most dismal aspects of our tribe. She's an ardent feminist, but that doesn't stop her from liking a fairly wide range of films that are worth discussing; it might even inform her discussion of them in interesting ways. So let's discuss them, OK? Give her a chance (if she still wants it). Both sides might learn something, find fresh perspectives, discover cool new movies and shows. This last, in particular, is why we're supposed to be here. Let's act like it.

  • Aug. 24, 2011, 9:02 a.m. CST


    by mcgoocain

    I am going to keep trying to post until my entire post comes through - why does this keep happennng?

  • Aug. 24, 2011, 9:03 a.m. CST


    by mcgoocain

    She's started to talk movies, not box office or the most dismal aspects of our tribe. She's an ardent feminist, but that doesn't stop her from liking a fairly wide range of films that are worth discussing; it might even inform her discussion of them in interesting ways. So let's discuss them, OK? Give her a chance (if she still wants it). Both sides might learn something, find fresh perspectives, discover cool new movies and shows. This last, in particular, is why we're supposed to be here. Let's act like it.

  • Aug. 24, 2011, 9:04 a.m. CST


    by mcgoocain

    She's started to talk movies, not box office or the most dismal aspects of our tribe. She's an ardent feminist, but that doesn't stop her from liking a fairly wide range of films that are worth discussing; it might even inform her discussion of them in interesting ways. So let's discuss them, OK? Give her a chance (if she still wants it). Both sides might learn something, find fresh perspectives, discover cool new movies and shows. This last, in particular, is why we're supposed to be here. Let's act like it.

  • Aug. 24, 2011, 9:05 a.m. CST


    by mcgoocain

    Very interesting malfunction- sorry lads- I want this message to get through You said: "Yes, I do get paid. It's not much. I get paid for the cost of the movie tickets, the video games I buy and the time spent writing/reviewing TV and movies. I do it for a small-press feminist publisher who prints a newsletter about raising kids without sexism clouding the kids' universe. I'm trying a new tactic, of simply letting out my honest feelings without them being guarded or anything." Sorry, I am still not convinced, considering the nature of AICN and all the poseurs just having fun by pretending to be something they are not for fun, experiments, writing exercises, or just plain mean spirited vitriol. I still think you are a poseur and what you recently posted begs a couple questions. So NOW you want to simply let out your honest feelings. What the holy moley were you doing before, then - huh? Where do you begin and the dishonest feelings end? I am intrigued - please give us an example of your best work for this newsletter, as we would all like to learn. How about a sample of a movie review and a TV review. And what is the name of this newsletter? Is it available online? Details you left out, perhaps because they aren't true, and you haven't thought out you lies enough to cover all bases? Seems as if you were proud of your work, as you should be, if it is for real, you would give us the info to make it more accessible. I would love to think that what he says is a correct assessment of you, and not just some guy who is feeling emotionally sympathetic because you are a woman, a woman posting being a rarity here. So, are you really worth talking to for a new perspective, or are you just having fun mocking us geeks with yet another boring faux persona? Huh?

  • Aug. 24, 2011, 9:07 a.m. CST


    by mcgoocain

    She's started to talk movies, not box office or the most dismal aspects of our tribe. She's an ardent feminist, but that doesn't stop her from liking a fairly wide range of films that are worth discussing; it might even inform her discussion of them in interesting ways. So let's discuss them, OK? Give her a chance (if she still wants it). Both sides might learn something, find fresh perspectives, discover cool new movies and shows. This last, in particular, is why we're supposed to be here. Let's act like it.

  • Aug. 24, 2011, 9:08 a.m. CST

    Not sure why this messaging is not working well lately

    by mcgoocain

    Sorry folks, I hope the 2 messages together make sense.

  • Aug. 24, 2011, 9:21 a.m. CST

    McGoo, if you want to quote someone in the body of the text

    by D.Vader

    You need to put some text before the quotation marks, "like I did just now". If you just start with quotation marks, for some reason (reason: AICN webscript is trash and they still haven't fixed this shitpile) ALL of *your* text will be erased leaving only the quotation, except the quotation marks will also disappear making it look like what's left is your original thought, when its not. Effin' stupid.

  • Aug. 24, 2011, 9:26 a.m. CST


    by mcgoocain

    Howdy, my man... how you doing? What do you make of this bitchboom guy/girl? Real or phony persona? I wanted to get back to you last Friday, but as you can see, this system keeps screwing with my posts. After last Friday, I told a friend that I made a new friend in Portugal. And that is cool with me, my friend...because you have such a broad interest in many film genres and styles, including silents, which in today's word is extremely rare. Haven't seen it yet, but recorded silent "Hands of Orlac" last night, a film remade as "Mad Love" with Peter Lorre. Weirdly, the IMDB listing for this title is partly in Italian!!????

  • Aug. 24, 2011, 9:29 a.m. CST

    And all my experience with Blender/Bitchboom has proven

    by D.Vader

    She is much more interested in demeaning the majority of people here, mocking them and stirring up controversy. She also writes lies and spreads misinformation, or she is very incompetent and makes many poor assumptions and pretends they are facts. Either way, she was wrong. I have proven this in our discussions about Tintin in which every one of her "facts" were proven wrong through simple research. Now, if KissKiss wants to play nice with someone who comes in slinging shit and tossing insults, that's his own business. But he shouldn't act like he's better than everyone else and pretend that, really, she's a nice and intelligent person if you just talk to her and treat her with respect. You don't respect someone who comes in insulting everyone else around you and spreading lies to prove a point. If she was truly interested in conversation, if she was truly intelligent and wise, she would present herself first as she has done in her responses to KissKiss- respectful tone, free of insults, with a desire to converse. Otherwise, you're just an asshole yelling and screaming for attention.

  • Aug. 24, 2011, 9:35 a.m. CST

    And on yeah, she's way, WAY sexist in her "beliefs"

    by D.Vader

  • Aug. 24, 2011, 9:41 a.m. CST


    by mcgoocain

    Thanks for the tip. I read your posts as well. Hope all is well with you. And as far as Blender/Bitchbroom is concerned, I believe your assessment to be correct, but thought I would at least try to make human contact with him/her, if he/she is for real, but I doubt there is anything behind the curtain but yet another poseur. Claiming to write for a newsletter without giving ther name of it, and not providing writing samples that she/he should most certainly be proud of, smacks of just another lame attempt at having fun without being really smart about it. Curious, what was the nature of your Tintin conversation, what facts were wrong? do you have a link to your exchange? Did you have any run-ins with thegoblinknightlex? remember that malicious piece of shit/cake persona?

  • Aug. 24, 2011, 9:54 a.m. CST

    bitchboom - uhhuh

    by mcgoocain

    Uh, yeah, right. You will post a movie review the next time you write one. Are you kidding? And the name of the newsletter? Did you forget the name? I love all genres of film. Why not just give us an example of one of your best film reviews or TV reviews, which you have to be proud of. Do you really think the people who post here only watch geek- genre films. And as far as posting your true opinions, your post attacking Harry on the Fright Night talkback was pretty harsh, for a supposed feminist writer. You sounded like every other juvenile idiot who posts here, insulting someone to be cool or clever, while being neither. Your persona is becoming more and more transparent. Prove you are for real- name of newsletter, and a sample review. Prove you are what you seem to be pretending to be. It really shoudn't be so difficult for someone with such a passion for feminism, which I also support, when it is real. By not coming clean, you are just mocking feminism and women. Is that your legacy, Lisa?

  • Aug. 24, 2011, 10:02 a.m. CST

    I avoid GoblinKnightLex, McGoo

    by D.Vader

    That one exchange we had over the summer was fun. I was on vacation, so I was enjoying watching him perform like a hamster in a wheel. All I had to do was drop one message in the morning, one and lunch, one in the afternoon when I came off the beach, and sure enough, no matter how much we ridiculed him for it or predicted his behavior, he responded with 30 posts in a row each time. Amazingly simple. But I don't have time for that now, so I just avoid it. As for the Tintin incident, GenderBlender has since been banned so all of her posts will have been erased and all you'll see is a one-sided conversation from me. Thread is here though: In her diatribes against upcoming movies she doesn't like, she tends to make gross generalizations and either a) lie or b) say the wrong thing (intentionally or not). With Tintin, she tried to claim that no one likes Tintin, that the show on HBO was a *HUGE* flop and was cancelled after only a few episodes and was moved away from primetime and shelved to saturday mornings, punished to the children's block of programming. No one called her out on it, so I did. I told her Tintin ran for 3 seasons. She said no, HBO aired a few episodes and the rest of those "seasons" were just repeats of the same episodes. I told her, no, Tintin ran for 3 seasons of 13 episodes each. She then tried to claim that Tintin was *still* a failure because animated series run for at least 60 episodes to be syndicated, and if a show doesn't go that long, its a bigtime failure. I told her and proved that Tintin was a foreign production and their "seasons" don't work like American television and are usually truncated anyway. So her argument about season length was moot. I also proved that Tintin adapted *every* Tintin book that had been published (except for 3 due to their politically incorrect nature), therefore there was no NEED to go beyond 39 episodes because the creators had accomplished what they had set out to do- adapt every story. She then said it was still a failure bc HBO would have demanded more stories (to reach 60 episodes), in essence, telling the animators to make up new Tintin stories without any influence from Herge. Ridiculous. But she tried to claim the show still failed and was moved from the adult world of primetime and put into the saturday morning block. I proved to her, using the information available, that every TinTin episode is listed as premiering on a monday, which implies it kept its primetime premiere slot. In the face of all this, all she can say is "Well that's not how I remember it," as evidence that she was not wrong. She also had nothing to say on the matter that if the creators were so worried about syndication, how the series ended up on Nickelodeon without more than 39 episodes. She then ignored everything else I said to say, in essence, "it doesn't matter anyway bc Tintin is sexist at every turn" (not a real quote). So when confronted with the truth, she fought it at every step but *never* *once* provided any evidence or proof that it was "soundly rejected" by audiences, or that it was cancelled, or that only repeats were shown. Basically, she didn't back up a single claim of hers from that initial lie-filled post. That is the behavior of a troll, through and through. And if she's not a troll, then she is far too ignorant of the truth or too lazy to do real research. Either way, its misinformation to back up a point meant to antagonize most everyone here.

  • Aug. 24, 2011, 10:03 a.m. CST

    She says "I post my true opinions"

    by D.Vader

    CODE for "I insult and sling shit, but its okay and acceptable bc its my true opinion."

  • Aug. 24, 2011, 10:13 a.m. CST


    by mcgoocain

    Oh by the way, I LOVE stop motion animation and it is far from a dead art form. Your opinions are pretty petty and worthless, but as you say they are your true opinions, so I am glad you take ownership of your worthless, petty and most certainly non-feminist opinions. I have, and continue to see new expressions of stop- motion, and when done well, the art form is just as stunning as it has always been. Dopey opinions you have, sheesh. Newsletter? Sample review?

  • Aug. 24, 2011, 10:25 a.m. CST


    by mcgoocain

    Sounds as if you put this phony in he/she/it's place. Well done, well researched about Tintin -- and now I know why we will never see a movie review or get the name of that newsletter from this obvious idiot/phony. Kudos to you. Too bad, in one way. I was hoping to get a female perspective - but this just cements the idiot is not worthy. It is prety disconcrting however, to see time after time, examples of people who just can't admit they are wrong when confronted with reality. Tis a pity, but I guess it is the times we live in, when half the country is trying to force feed their political fantasy world down our throats, and they believe their fantasies to be reality, but that is a ehole other can of worms that doesn't need to be opened now. In any case, bb, Lisa, whatever the fuck you are today -suck it and try to be a better human being- but you are , for now, an unrepentant idiot who thinks they are being clever. Idiot.

  • Aug. 24, 2011, 10:32 a.m. CST

    Hey bitchb

    by mcgoocain

    Not feeling so clever now? Don't want to come out and play with the geeks you love to mock, by pretending to be sincere? You are being watched. Expect to be put in your place, wheever you post. Maybe it's time for you to invent a new persona, phony. BTW, if you are mentally impaired, I sort of apologize for the harshness. But you could weave baskets, or something else you might be good at, like working for Michelle Bachmann's research team, or something. I understand Michelle is quite the feminist, even though she is Bible submissive to her husband and all, and god /dog/Wilfred tells her what to do, and all, and she never makes a mistake when offscript, and all. She needs all the feminst help she can get, and all.

  • Aug. 24, 2011, 10:48 a.m. CST

    Thanks McGoo

    by D.Vader

    After that exchange, and because of others, I will not trust a single thing she says, and I don't see how others can either. She is willing to lie to get attention, and when someone does that, how can you ever believe she's being sincere? No amount of "truth-telling" about what her name is or what she does will change anything. No one believes anyone here anyway when they do that sort of thing (unless its unprompted), but when used as "proof" the person is real and not a troll? Not gonna buy it... especially when that person is known to troll and known to lie.

  • Aug. 24, 2011, 10:50 a.m. CST

    I've never asked about your personal life, BlenderBoom

    by D.Vader

    Oh, well it doesn't matter if I was wrong bc, uhh.... Nickelodeon was starved for attention and shows! Yeah THAT's IT! Though I have ZERO PROOF OR EVIDENCE! I'm just tossing shit at a wall, hoping it will stick, and maybe the smell will make everyone forget all the lies I told a few minutes ago!

  • Look it up, I've never asked. More lies from you. I just don't give a shit. But I think its funny that you are once again trying to deflect attention away from proof that you were caught lying and proof that you were wrong. Funny to see you flail. You- "Oh, well it doesn't matter if I was wrong bc, uhh.... Nickelodeon was starved for attention and shows! Yeah THAT's IT! Though I have ZERO PROOF OR EVIDENCE! I'm just tossing shit at a wall, hoping it will stick, and maybe the smell will make everyone forget all the lies I told a few minutes ago!"

  • Aug. 24, 2011, 10:56 a.m. CST


    by UltimaRex

    Since you're back, I'd like to go off topic and get your opinion on the Twilight series as it's the first "girl geek" cinema and what you think "girl geeks" will look like when they really hit their stride...

  • ... are accompanied by insults and verbal attacks. Really? That's how you behave?

  • Aug. 24, 2011, 10:58 a.m. CST

    Being proven wrong does not = harassment

    by D.Vader

    I'd say continually insulting people here and the cinema they enjoy, while spreading lies and misinformation... that counts as harassment.

  • Aug. 24, 2011, 11:36 a.m. CST


    by mcgoocain

    How does being an idiot like you feel? All I asked for was a name of a newsletter, a sample movie review you wrote and once I realized you are a worthless liar, I told you that you are being watched, expect to be put in your place, whenever you post. Since you are such an idiot, that is not a threat - it means we will read what you write and then write in return why you are just an uninformed liar. Simple. So simple. It is not a threat. It is what will happen if you continue to be this little whiny piece of shit pretending to be a woman and a feminist, mocking both femininity and feminism in the process. you little pice of shit, you, who couldn't write a review because you are so bereft of talent or humanity. It is to protect other posters from wasting their time on you, thinking you have any value as a human being to converse with. Idiot. I don't want to know anything about you. All I want is to read one of your reviews, reviews you are obviously proud of enough to mention here. Idiot.You and Bachmann are birds of a feather-- for an idiot like you, that means you are just like her.

  • Aug. 24, 2011, 11:38 a.m. CST


    by mcgoocain

    You promise to write a genre movie review the NEXt time you cover one?. Do you mean the first time you write one? Save it for the bottom of your birdcage, you phony, transparent lying sack of shit, upgraded from a piece of shit now.

  • Aug. 24, 2011, 11:44 a.m. CST


    by mcgoocain

    Real piece of work, that bb is, yes? Hey at least you tried to have a conversation with he/she/it, do you think this person has ever written a review? Do you tyhink this person is capable of not lying here? Do you think this person is insane, or just an infantile 15-year-old trying to be anonymous internet-clever, in other words, a complete asshole with no talent or real humanity, just a sick fucking fat, scooter-baby sociopath? The way this compassionate feminist mocked Harry's life was just beyond fucked up.

  • Aug. 24, 2011, 11:54 a.m. CST

    So the day goes...

    by mcgoocain

    Here in peaceful valley. I agree with those who are enjoying the new Avengers animated series. Way better than expected, and I have issue # 1 of the Avengers and quite a long run after that. Good writing and decent animation. A good reworking of the comic spirit of the Avengers. Too bad we can't get a big budget theatrical animated release of a comics series instead of all the mediocre live action interpretations that just can't capure the magic of the comics as animation can. Oh well, American and the money people - creativity and true art seems to be by and large a thing of the past. Not that is has vanished, just shriveled up into an end of an empire morass of sameness?

  • Aug. 24, 2011, 11:55 a.m. CST


    by mcgoocain

    Have fun.

  • Aug. 24, 2011, 1:22 p.m. CST



    nice try there genderbender....too bad your ass got saaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaacckked!

  • Aug. 24, 2011, 1:29 p.m. CST


    by mcgoocain

    This idiot says she never mocked Harry's life- if you are playing a game of semantics to defend your lies - you are an even bigger idiot than I imagined. So your love letter to Harry's life reads like this: You headlined it There is the life Harry REALLY had, and the one in his head It's a little bit like FIGHT CLUB. Harry's real life probably consisted of sitting at home, alone, listening to people talk about the things they actually did outside. He watched movies all day, all night, sat around in a one of those houses you'd dread going into because you just knew - and you'd be right - that it would stink of onion soup mix and beef-reek. How do I know this? Because there's been bits and pieces of his history revealed in his reviews and they consistently talk about SOMEONE - I forget who - in the house being a movie collector/comic book collector/comic book seller/ movie merchandise seller, and I don't think there's a ONE of those types of people in existence whose houses don't smell like onion soup mix and beef-reek. But, anyway, Harry would see the kids running around having adventures and superimposed his own memories onto that wistfulness. Kid probably didn't get out of the house once or twice a month, and only to go to the corner store for more onion soup mix and beef. And every time Harry talks about having been taken to other countries or other states in his recollection, I always picture his family piling into a car, driving to a hotel, going into the hotel and watching television, then leaving without seeing any of the local sites. Onion soup and beef reek. And that is wrote you wrote, you condescending idiot. Just shut the fuck up, already.

  • Aug. 24, 2011, 1:33 p.m. CST


    by mcgoocain

    Why don't you just admit you are wrong, a liar and not what you claim to be. And then stop playing your game, assuming everyone who post here is dumber than you, or doesn't care to check your lies. If you are a woman, then show a little humanity and compassion to your fellow movie fans , or do whatever you want- you are beneath my contempt. If you can show me a review, then maybe I can admit I am wrong.

  • Aug. 24, 2011, 1:52 p.m. CST


    by mcgoocain

    You, I like - because your persona is fun - and you have standards - and you are smart and clever with a turn of a phrase As a former newspaper entertainment editor, who hired a staff of freelancers, I can admire style and substance when I see it. While BB's persona is just so damn sad and forced and mannered- is it something in the water - or has the internet allowed mental illness to flourish with anonymity? There are many people who visit this site who have vast knowledge and insight and the ability to write in a coherent manner, and are true to themselves, no matter if they are being real or adapting a persona - I am often humbled, often entertained- even though I consider myself a pretty savvy, life long film fan. Is there lead in the water, or what? Roman empire all over again, as the world watches the decline of the American empire unfold, are they laughing, or mourning, or a little of both?

  • Aug. 24, 2011, 2:50 p.m. CST


    by UltimaRex

    Apparently voxel screens don't need kinect tech. Voxel cinema might though...

  • Aug. 24, 2011, 3:23 p.m. CST

    by mcgoocain

    Liar. I knew this is how you respond. You were baited, and replied as expected. Try again. I berate others much worse than you who are more malicious than you. IN MY OPINION, women have the capacity to be much more compassionate than men, but yeah, it isn't specific to gender. You just don't get it, do you. I want you to be real, a woman with geek interests. I would love to converse with you, but you don't seem real. I have struck up other friendships here, with people who come here to discuss, not merely mock, or try to act superior. But due to the nature of this site, you seem to be a phony liar with anger issues who think adopting a persona is somehow clever and original. Prove me wrong. Show me your reviews.

  • Aug. 24, 2011, 3:59 p.m. CST


    by mcgoocain

    Too bad you are using your FEMALE voice that has some depth and authority, as you claim to possess, to berate talkbackers and obsess over trivial dopey shit and speculation that no one cares about that defines you as an obsessed idiot troll. Why do you need a man to tell you to behave in a calm and collected manner, anyway, oh empowered woman who loves to berate and act superior? BTW, I love empowered women, admire their centeredness, which you do not possess You are just a liar. Prove me wrong. Let us all hear your empowerd voice in your reviews.

  • Aug. 24, 2011, 6:40 p.m. CST


    by mcgoocain

    I take it you are busy writing your first movie review. Can't wait to read it.

  • Aug. 24, 2011, 8:19 p.m. CST

    bitchboom, I may owe you an apology...

    by kisskissbangbang

    ...I thought an actual discussion of movies and what you like might shift discussion away from personalities to topics more amenable to discussion. It appears that I was wrong. It may be that too much ill will had been built up already. It might also have been a mistake to say anything about your personal life, which allowed the focus to drift back to you and demands to see your reviews. (And that's not intended as blaming the victim, simply an acknowledgement of an unfortunate tactical reality.) I still think it was an attempt worth making, although I'd understand if you disagree. For what's it's worth, I'm still interested in engaging you in conversation, should you care to do so. If not, I wish you success in your endeavors and fine viewing in your theater.

  • Aug. 24, 2011, 9:23 p.m. CST

    mcgoocain, I'd like to clarify something...

    by kisskissbangbang

    ...I didn't reach out to bitchboom because I was "emotionally sympathetic" to her as a woman. She seemed like a big girl who could take care of herself. But she also gave the impression of potentially having something intelligent and interesting to say in between her attacks, and I wanted to give her a chance. If she'd replied with withering invective, I'd have written her off as another online jerk and gone on my merry way. But she didn't, so I didn't. This isn't the first time I've done this. You're friendly with asimovlives; I am,too. But you may be aware that a lot of people here loathe asi, and he has often responded with his considerable powers of vituperation. But when he wasn't raging at a certain director who shall remain nameless, he displayed a wide knowledge of film and made perceptive comments. So I sent him a comment suggesting that the things he wanted to say were getting lost in the manner he said them. Somewhat to my surprise, he graciously conceded this might be the case and promised he would try harder not to let that happen. He also said he appreciated my efforts. There seem to more people like you who appreciate his virtues, so maybe I did some good. I'm not revealing anything new when I say that I grew up in Alabama during the civil rights era.(I told this to robertoinfinite and, by implication, AICN during a conversation about racism, THor & Idris Elba here.) I learned more about hatred, bigotry, verbal abuse, and stereotyping during that time than I cared to. I also learned that, as Martin Luther King once said, the arc of the moral universe is long, but it bends toward justice. But the most important thing I've leaned is that it bends toward justice, not of itself, but only because _we_ bend it in that direction. And that what I try to do on every occasion I have to do it. On this occasion, I tried to bend a conversation away from petty sniping towards mutual dialogue and civility. It apparently didn't succeed; that's why the arc is long. But I'll keep at it, patiently. And if that sounds impossibly noble and pretentious for a place like this....yeah, maybe so. But as I earlier quoted C. S. Lewis; love does not disdain the smallest kindness, as hate does not disdain the smallest slight. Or to be more humble about it: there's an old Southern proverb that urges us to "brighten the corner where you are". I'm trying.

  • Aug. 25, 2011, 2:31 a.m. CST

    Wow that was terrible.

    by boosebaster

    Now go put your knickers on, and make me a cup of tea.

  • Aug. 25, 2011, 7:46 a.m. CST


    by mcgoocain

    As promised, I apolgize - I was wrong. Interesting perspective to a movie - sounds like you didn't actually see it. Unfortunately, because of your skewed, narrow perspective, you are seeing sexism and rape in clouds that are just clouds. Pretty poor content, ok writing ability, negative points for writing a review for a film that you didn't see, really more of an essay, which is fine when appropriate, and completely missing the point of the film's subtext, if you even know what subtext means. Other than the generic CGI comments, the negative aspects of the film you mention are in your head, not on the screen My brother told me this was the best film of the summer, with it's commentary on animal cruelty. He is a big lover of animals, and got very emotional with this film as he described his reaction to it. I respect his judgement more than I can trust yours. If you care to converse like a normal human being, without the mocking tone and attitude, let me know.

  • Aug. 25, 2011, 7:58 a.m. CST


    by mcgoocain

    You have a big heart. I hope we aren't being duped. Sounds like we may be in the same age range. I gave my honest opinion of Lisa's review. I hope she is for real, and not just an eat-shit and die I fooled you troll, as this site is rife with that ilk. But I still have my strong doubts. Something still seems off, but I can't keep this up anymore. No point. Maybe I am just overreacting, but I like to have fun conversations here, and I do, so may6be I was just horribly wrong about bitchboom There are enough normal people here I can trust to be authentic with their talk to not really care if Lisa is genuine of not. Too old, too cynical, fucked with one too many times to help polish some rough diamond to be a better communicator. Good luck with Lisa. Hope you get some satisfaction, that is, if you are for real. Cynicism - my shield or box, you decide.... Anyway, too much soap, and these are the days of our lives.

  • Aug. 25, 2011, 8:51 a.m. CST


    by mcgoocain

    What do you think is the film's subtext?

  • Aug. 25, 2011, 9:32 a.m. CST


    by mcgoocain

    Is there anything in Rise to praise? Do you ever write a positive review? What was the last film you saw that you highly recommended to people?

  • Aug. 25, 2011, 9:58 a.m. CST

    uspl, the subtext doesnt wash- bb

    by mcgoocain

    AS much as I loath violence, ever hear of a little thing called the American Revolutionary War? Sounds to me, in the context of the allegorical nature of this film, that the violence of the apes towards humans is justified. Maybe the point is forced, but it makes sense to me. I accept your point of view as a valid opinion, but I disagree with it. In fact, you disagree with your own opinion, as you seem to believe that men are inferior to women. I think the movie is trying to say that humans are not superior to animals just because they can easily kill and/or torture them, without regret or emotion, advancement of science notwithstanding Perhaps it is, simplistically put, trying to say, be nicer than animals - they are not as dumb or unfeeling as humanity wants us to believe. And as a side subtext, treating animals with more kindness may be very difficult, given the history of violence of man towards their fellow man. So apes are given intelligence, and become violent, as a means of survival and dominance - see Dawn of Man- 2001. Any film you can recommend? . Sorry you were offended and needed to snark, but I still trust my brother's opinion more than yours, and yes I do disagree with my brother on films.

  • Aug. 25, 2011, 10:03 a.m. CST


    by mcgoocain

    I also though Black Swan was superior. Do you care to impart your reasons why you thought the same?

  • Aug. 25, 2011, 10:13 a.m. CST

    BTW- bb

    by mcgoocain

    I do understand that sexism is still with us, the same way that racism is - Both will never die. It unfortunately seems to be man's nature to consider themselves superior to something. But, if a woman thinks that they are better than some men, men who are blatantly sexist and don't seem to care or notice, doesn't that make you that which you loath? Are you geared to always see sexism in everything, or can you turn it off? Is it an obsession, or a professional point of view heightened more than the average person? Are you enlightened, or scarred? My ex-wife was a victim of childhood sexual abuse, and it left her with deep scars, even though she is a great person despite those scars which have affected her emotionally and socially. Is the Bible sexist? I believe it is, along with a lot of other things that make this destructive tome as bad as good, with it's wise wisdom alongside it's antiquated viewpoints of negativity from unenlightenment and insensitivity all those years ago. Maybe now you can better understand why, if you are a phony feminist, it might rile me up, as you may not be sincere with feminism as your mocking pretense.

  • Aug. 26, 2011, 9:28 a.m. CST

    Fuck this talkback, AVENGERS LIVE ACTION MOVIE 2012!!

    by Carl XVI Gustaf

    Jesus in the ass, you people know how to bring a talkback down.

  • Aug. 26, 2011, 9:41 a.m. CST

    Morality and subtext in "Apes"

    by Hipshot

    The thought that Ceasar is "superior" to humans doesn't pass the smell test as subtext. Animal experimentation created the apes--that's called irony. You can say that this makes us "bad" but then you'd have to suggest that apes, in the same situation, wouldn't do the exact same thing--which happened in the first "Apes" movie, so you can't support that. The better subtext is that we're no better than animals. Just another kind of animal, a kind of clever chimp-cousin. Ceasar is no better than we are. He went for freedom as soon as he had the opportunity. "Waiting for night" to spare "innocent cops" and so forth simply doesn't make tactical sense--it would have given humans time to prepare, hunt, bring in additional forces. Best to go for it immediately. Not only that, but he was leader of a group of very impulsive creatures, and I have no reason to think they would have been willing to hide in the dark somewhere. No, after confinement, you want freedom. So human beings tried to stop them--fine. That's our right. And the apes had the right to fight back. That's cool as well. They don't have to be better than us, or we better than them. That is a common piece of wonky logic: "we mistreat animals! We're lower than animals!" "But...ummm...animals mistreat other animals." "But we're better than that!" " we're worse than animals because we're better than animals?" Wowsers.

  • Aug. 26, 2011, 7:30 p.m. CST

    You want to talk Apes subtext? It's called "Moses!"

    by Continentalop

    Apes is just "Moses." It is an adaptation of Moses set in a different context. And that isn't a bad thing; it is a good thing. Rise of the Planet of the Apes is the cinematic equivalent of the allegorical paintings involving historical and religious figures, the grand genre of history paintings of the 17th-18th century.

  • Aug. 27, 2011, 8:07 p.m. CST

    School 'em, Conti!


    I didn't even think of that.

  • wow. get some therapy

  • Aug. 29, 2011, 3:36 p.m. CST

    Is this hulkbuster armor from Avengers?

    by the Green Gargantua

  • Sadly, the moderate fans get burned out by fanatics. Be it sports, politics, religion, and in our case comic book-based movies. I hope this film helps distinguish one from the other and that the medium can mature, or at least attempt to. Because it's highly hypocritical to worship these heroes, and live a life wasted, ridiculing others, or living in envy because they screwed up a made up character you love. Though I've had issues with the way this website covers things from time to time, favoritism, sexism, alienation, I think that people are deeply good and want to talk about the positive aspect. Because if all you do is being negative, it's not moving the species forward; we move forward because of helpful ideas, views, and people. Thank you.

  • Aug. 30, 2011, 2:46 p.m. CST


    by matt

    I wasted 30 minutes of my life reading these rants. Boom and mcgoocain, hash your shit out on facebook or any other medium. The aicn hall monitors should both ban you for wasting everyones time with this bullshit.

  • Sept. 4, 2011, 2:45 a.m. CST


    by SpaghettiWall


  • Sept. 4, 2011, 2:45 a.m. CST


    by SpaghettiWall


  • Sept. 5, 2011, 8:55 a.m. CST

    carl xvi gustaf

    by jdrake

    Leave the Lord Jesus Christ out of your asinine comments, fucking hellspawn. It's never Buddha, Mohammed, Depak, Stan Lee, whoever. It's ALWAYS Jesus. You know why, shitface? It's simple. Because He's the real deal. But you're too much of an egotistical dickhead to know it.

  • March 15, 2012, 4:56 p.m. CST

    We Have A HULK TOO :)

    by Patrick

    Oh yea baby