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UPDATE!! SPIDER-M4N (Not) Delayed Indefinitely??
Merrick again...
IESB updated their SPIDER-M4N delay story (HERE) to include the following statement:
UPDATE: Sony has contacted us this morning and they are denying the story. The production is on their expected holiday hiatus, but will ramp up again early next year.
Yes, the filmmakers are working on the script, but there is nothing unusual about that at all, productions always are working and tweaking scripts right up until principal photography begins and that is still a few months away.
End of update.
The same details...i.e. SPIDER-M4N taking hiatus for the Holidays...are also reflected over at SuperheroHype (HERE).Thanks for the heads-up, Chris.
Interestingly (and not surprisingly), neither "update" confirms or refutes Raimi's alleged preference for Vulture -vs- The Suits' alleged desire for a a more marketable villain (per IESB's initial report). Be this as it may, SPIDER-M4N appears to be progressing as announced and scheduled & has not been "delayed indefinitely".
Yes, the filmmakers are working on the script, but there is nothing unusual about that at all, productions always are working and tweaking scripts right up until principal photography begins and that is still a few months away.
End of update.
Merrick here...
We first heard murmurs about this a few days ago, but didn't have enough specifics to post anything worthwhile. However, IESB now has details regarding an apparent stall-out of the fourth SPIDER-MAN film - evidently referred to as SPIDER-M4N in the project's offices.
An "inside source" tells IESB:
Looks like everyone's friendly neighborhood web slinger has been been placed on indefinite hold
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Apparently, several department heads working on the SPIDER-M4N production were notified of the halt last Thursday.
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Looks like Raimi and the studio heads at Sony Pictures can't agree upon a villain for the film.
...reveals IESB HERE. '
The article goes on to indicate that Sam Raimi does, indeed, want to use The Vulture in the movie (previously indicated HERE), but the studio doesn't want Vulture - "they seem to only be interested in featuring which ever character is selling books right now but basically they have no idea, just not the Vulture."
Interesting that we hear of these issues so close to learning that Tobey Maguire is in talks to play Bilbo in THE HOBBIT (details HERE, ultimately denied...sorta...HERE). Not saying the factors are connected, or necessarily portend an altogether dire fate for SPIDER-M4N. Just noting the peculiar nexus.
Find more details at IESB by clicking the article link above.
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Apparently, several department heads working on the SPIDER-M4N production were notified of the halt last Thursday.
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Looks like Raimi and the studio heads at Sony Pictures can't agree upon a villain for the film.
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They should have stopped at 2.
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He must have clout enough to do things his way after the performance of 1-3.
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looking forward to it, despite the third
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...I'd be kinda interested in seeing them do a movie version of "Kraven's Last Hunt", except replace Vermin with The Lizard.
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Sounds like a plan.
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Studios are getting too clever for me.
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...is Tom Rothman running Sony now? LEAVE HIM ALONE! Your meddling is what got Venom shoe-horned into the third film, resulting in an extremely uneven picture!
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It's delayed because they're too stupid to realize NUMBERS ARE NOT LETTERS! I can't read this ridiculous, gimmicky title without hearing "muh-fourn". Please, Hollywood, it's not original nor cool anymore.
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A disjointed mess, devoid of thrill, sloppy, confused, listless junk that basically made its hero look like an inept loser for 9/10ths of the running time. Unless 4 is really on track to be something special, it might be best left on the shelf until new blood can be brought to the franchise.
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Dec 17, 2009 9:18:06 AM CST
Demosthenes and I must have been typing at the same-ish time.
by pizzatheface
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I don't just mean this film. I mean the whole franchise. Let it die. And fuck you Sony!
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This sounds like great news. Let's reboot this puppy with a fresh 'A' list Director and cast.
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What a jackass. Why ignore the fans who want Lizard/Kraven? Nobody wants the Vulture except for Raimi and couple of bird watchers who live in Utah.
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He was good in Brothers but is pretty pathetic as the Amazing Spider-man.
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Not only one of the best stand alone Spidey stories ever, that's just genius to use the Lizard that way as well.
If there was any justice in the world (which there isn't... AIDS, Darfur, Spiderman 3, etc.) this idea would be snapped up by the studio. -
Do you have to have half your brain removed to become a studio exec? Sam Raimi has made Sony hundreds of millions of dollars with probably the most successful superhero franchise ever, but we don't trust his judgment to choose the villain he thinks will make the best story? Fuck them. They should let him use paste pot fucking pete if he wants to.
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He's Bald , He's Old , and he likes to feathers. Come on kids! Get with it!!
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After reading about that weak ass story line about turing Felicia Hardy into the fucking Vultress, I'm glad that this thing is being delayed. They need to get their shit together. Spiderman 3 was fucking awful!
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Why can't the fuckheads at Sony just let Raimi do his thing?
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Bald and flying around in a bird costume. Best Idea ever!!!!
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If you're hiring the guy, with his track record, just let him use the villain he's got enthusiasm for. The key is to get a good movie made. Then you'll make a tons of money.As for Kraven, I like the idea but not that JM Dematteis story with Vermin replced by Lizard (or whatever). I reallllllly don't think we need another "dark" superhero story, not about Spidey anyway. Leave that to Batman or whoever. I'm sure Raimi would be into using the Lizard but wasn't the word that the studio didn't want it? That seems stupid, so it's probably true.
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Can it be that the corporate suits are actually doing something right for once?!?!
If they read these boards, they'd see we have a hell of a lot better ideas than the Vulture (cough-Lizard-cough-Kraven-cough). -
Vulture is fucking l4me
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Had to delete your post because the long link stretched the Talkback (horizontally). Could you go to Tiny URL, shorten your link, then repost your message here? Thanks!
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Mabie then they people will wakeup and relise how overrated they are.
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Reboot please!!
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Dec 17, 2009 9:30:29 AM CST
Suits - pay attention - Kraven & Lizard then end with Carnage!
by ninpobugei
'Nuff said.
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Dec 17, 2009 9:32:09 AM CST
READ THE BOOK COMIC WARS BY DAN RAVIV, IT'S RELEVANT TO THIS....
by tehcreepythinman
It details the absolute clusterfuck that was Marvel Comic's during the 90's when the company was put into bankruptcy because of a bunch of a bunch of money grubbing corporate cockroaches who cared less about the comics then the price of their fucking stock.
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Joseph Gordon-Levitt as Spider-man and Mary Elizabeth Winstead as Mary Jane Watson. Maggie Smith as Aunt May and Stellan Skarsgard as Dr. Octavius.
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...why not Morbius?
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No need to reboot since there is no real end to this series. I would almost agree with the suits if Vulturess is going to be in it, but there is no real Spiderman villain that is currently being used in the comics. I would prefer Kraven and Lizard since they already signed the actor back to play Conners.
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Now that Marvel is owned by Disney.
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Web-slinger vs Emo Girl!!
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I thoguht this script was well on it's way to being completed!That vulture thing was a purposeful leak by the studio to show Raimi that his idea for the villain was FUCKING RETARDED! Once all the hate got piled on, they felt justified in pulling the plug on the idea. Hopefully they also the message that we want Lizard and Kraven.But seriously, we want Raimi back in horror. Drag Me To Hell was the fucking shiznit and we want more of that. There are like a BAJILLION other directors that could do amazing things with Spider-Man. Give them a chance!
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Nothing is perfect, but the first two Spideys were great films. I don't know what strikes the fancy of folks that hate the first two... but for me, 3 was the blemish on an otherwise great series. 3 got screwed up because the studio put way too much pressure on Raimi for what they wanted. Vulture is not my favorite villian - I'd rather see a take on Electro or Lizard or Mysterio, but above all that, I'd rather see a villian that Raimi is really invested in and excited about. I think he would turn around a fair amount - certainly not all by any means - of the Vulture naysayers. It's all about what serves the story best. I still wish I could have seen Raimi's 3 that hand Sandman all by his lonesome.
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Please recast the role of Mary Jane. Danielle Panabaker, perhaps?
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Raimi is great, but so is change. Toby was good, but is prob to old now. Vulture would not work as well on screen as A Krav/Vermin/Lizard story line. Carnage needs to get some love. The haters of Carnage have no vision. In the right hands, Carnage could be the greatest villain ever. A Red Murdering Slaughtering No mercy hard hitting demon!
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Ignore Vulture. Just do Vulturess. But don't call her that. (I'm just kidding, Kraven and Lizard make more sense. Carnage simply isn't possible, though, I think--not in a PG-13 movie.)
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Well, Spidey 3 killed it, but dont resurrect it, we can all do without an undead franchise screwing up our karma.
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Dec 17, 2009 9:41:39 AM CST
GIVE IT TO TIM STORY AND GET HIM SOME GOOD WRITERS.....
by tehcreepythinman
Story did a fine job with The Fantastic 4 and would be a good fit for Spider-man IMHO. Even better, give it to Mark Neveldine and Brian Taylor who made Crank 1 & 2 along with Gamer.
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You over-ruled Raimi's choice of villain on Spider-Man 3, and look how that turned out. Leave the director to direct the film, and don't stick your oar in. There is a reason that Raimi is a director and you are wearing a suit in some fucking office - he is the creative partner in this endeavour, and your function is to provide the money and Shut. The Fuck. Up.
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sit for at least 4 years before a reboot. Hold on to the franchise and revisit a couple scripts in 4 years then if one is good enough...pull the trigger!
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Spider-Man vs. Sony? After Spider-Man 3, it's quite obvious that they've been out to kill him for some time now and this certainly lends more credence to that. Maybe Spider-Man should fight a bunch of studio heads who "Have a better idea" about which direction he should go in? I mean, not that any of them have ever actually READ a comic book to know one way or another...
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I am no fancy studio executive but it seems to me that when making a Spider-Man film it might be a good idea to use Spider-Man villains. Part of using a franchise like this is that a lot of stuff is already figured out. Stan Lee tested the market with the Vulture in Spider-Man #2. The Vulture tested so well that the character lasted 50 +/- years.
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If Sony doesn't actively pursue Spidey then the rights revert back to Marvel. Which, of course, wouldn't be a bad thing but Sony would not let a billion dollar franchise slip away.I'm glad Raimi is sticking to his guns though. Go Raimi! Please make a GREAT Spider-Man film again! If you do, we will forgive your transgressions.
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They do not have a villain which means they do not have a script. They are going to pick a villain and then crank out a sloppy script to get into production as quickly as possible. You can make a bad film from a good script but never a good film from a bad script. This project is screwed.
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If the studio won't learn from their mistakes, and let Raimi do it the way he wants to, I'm glad he's not just going to give in like he did with Venom in Spider-Man 3. What made the third movie so bland, was that it was basically two movies mashed together, Raimi's movie, Sandman, and the studio's movie, Venom. Raimi was fairly vocal that he didn't want to do Venom, but they basically forced it down his throat.
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SONY: Hey Sam how are you. Put Venom in this movie.
SAM: Well we've got Sandman...
SONY: Fucking put Venom in.
SAM: And we still have Harry Osborn, I was thinking we can bring him more centr-
SONY: Raimi you fuck!! AAAARRRRGGHHH!!!!!
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Did I win?
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He's a good, hard-working guy, but enough is enough. They need to reboot the franchise with an entirely new director, new crew and most importantly new actors.
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Let's face facts. The film should have ONLY been about Venom. Raimi's STUBBORNESS included Sandman. If he got what he wanted and it was ONLY about Sandman, it would have ROYALLY sucked. Venom deserved to be the only villain in that film. Raimi insisted on the dumb-assed emo schtick, the retarded jazz dancing, etc. It wasn't that having Venom in the movie was a bad idea, it was keeping Sandman and all the dumb shit Raimi piled on that ruined the movie. I went back and watch the animated Venom Saga and it is LIGHTYEARS better than the film.
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Starring Jamie Bamber.
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Is there a more vapid, unlikeable, terrible actor in all of Hollywood? There is a sucking void within him where a personality should be. A lack of presence defines him.
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Do Man-Spider! That would be so fucking cool!
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like Harry Potter 3 and Casino Royale. Get rid of money grubbing Raimi an start from scratch. Don't let him ruin yet another Spider-man flick. His first one was weak, his second one was overrated and his third one was a complete embarrassment.
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BBBBbbbbaaaaaaahhhhh!!!
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My Man!!!!
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So we can get some LIZARD action...
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Dec 17, 2009 9:55:18 AM CST
yeah apparently Kraven and Lizard made too much sense
by miyamoto_musashi
Wasn't screwed up enough, they want to top Spiderman 3, and make a complete mess but still see the dollars roll in
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And the Vulture and Vulturette idea was STUPID!
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Waiting for you call Sony! Come on now!!
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Had to happen.
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thank god this is delayed i really couldnt see myself being as involved with a vulture story. Spidey has such a rich history of stories and all raimi seems to want to do is 60's stuff with him on his scooter battling the sinister 6. I honestly think that a reboot of the franchise is needed, one with a less whiny parker a flash who loves spidey a murdered gwen stacy and a spunky mary jane. Oh and if its too much to ask could we please have the spider mobile haha
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Spider-killer at Large.
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and if youre gonna reboot this franchise..give it to Paul Verhoven
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Dec 17, 2009 10:01:15 AM CST
The origianl villains for Spider-man 3 was Sandman and the Vultu
by jaycieboy
I sence a pattern that was denied.
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You know you wanna see that onscreen.
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One thing i never understand. All films after 2 hardly even resemble the books, and 3 is the last bearable one. Guess no one online reads the books.
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Can't wait!!
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SP10ERMAN, SPIDER11AN, SP12ERMAN
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"money grubbing corporate cockroaches" = That word that rhymes with "shoes" that we're not allowed to mention, in other words!
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I'm actually leaning toward Sony's side of this debate. I mean, the studio actually wants the same villains many fans wants. Raimi knows how much the fans wanted Venom and currently want Lizard and Kraven. But does he use those villains? Nope. He wants to use villains like Sandman and Vulture - villains no one gives a crap about. Regarding Venom, Raimi could have at least done an uninspired-but-faithful version of the story, if Sony truly forced the villain on him. But I think it's safe to assume Sony didn't force Raimi to use musical numbers, street dancing, and an lame emo Peter Parker.
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was most certainly Raimi's idea. And it sucks. I say let him the fuck go. Please, Sony, if you don't like what Raimi's doing (I don't) then let someone else do it.
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Definite 'R'.
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SONY: Venom is extremely popular. The fans want VenomSAM: Yeah but I want Sandman.SONY: Who?SAM: He turns into sandSONY:Yeah......well, let's leak it online and see what people think.*Sony leaks the idea, everyone hates Sandman and wonders why they don't use Venom*SONY: So we would like the movie to be about Venom.SAM: I still want Sandman.SONY: I'm going to need you to make the movie about Venom.SAM: But Sandman...SONY: Just make the movie about Venom please Sam.SAM: How about we make the movie about Sandman....SONY: *heavy sigh*SAM: And I make Venom a secondary character?SONY: Sam...SAM: Oh come on, I made you RICH! Trust me, it'll be cool! The kids will love it.SONY: Ok Sam, I'm going to trust you on this one.*Spider-Man 3 premieres, everyone wonders why Venom was not the focus of the film and why Topher Grace was cast as this ultimate badass*SAM: So I want the next movie to be about The Vulture.SONY: The who?SAM: Did you ever see Condorman?SONY: That old 70's movie about the retard in the gliding bird outfit?SAM: YES! Vulture is just like that except he's old, bald and has a giant white frill of feathers around his neck!SONY: SAM! We've been down this path before!*leaks to internet, everyone hates it*SONY: I'm sorry Sam, we're not using The Vulture.SAM: That's ok, I got this great idea for a brand new character called Puddle Man! Turns out, HE really killed Ben Parker! And there will be a musical sequence, and Peter gets Hemorrhoids and Mary Jane gets kidnapped at the end!
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How dare you question him.
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Because the Vulturette and Malkovitch on spandex legs and a turkey suit did not suit very well with this website readers. I suppose they COULD make us happy and hire Shia Lebeauf to play Stiltman.
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Gotta Eat. well he does.
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I think REVENGE_of_FETT is 100% spot-on with his 'script.'
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nuff said
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Go get'em tiger never sounded more genuine.
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If there is no vulture then there is no vultress. This is the best news I could wish to hear in regards to this film. Turning a cat into a bird is as stupid as a dog that turns into a lion.
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Will he pee on'em with his acidic bird urine?
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Hide the liquor bottles
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Cause it worked for the last two!!
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This would be a great movie. Fuck the execs!!!!!!!!
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You are right ChocolateJesusMan!!
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Annoying and moody girl perhaps?
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Want's your money now Bitch!!!
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Rhino, Electro, the Chameleon, Mysterio, and led by Kraven.The Sinister Six.
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honestly, I love Sam I really do. He has artistic integrity that most filmmakers don't have. He has a style that is all his own. Having said that, I think that what he's trying to do with the series really isn't true to the comics because he seems to only want to venture into territory that will push the character of Spider Man forward and not the series itself. Spider Man has some deep history with certain Villains and Allies... not everything has to be done for the sake of artistry. Personally I would love to see Spidey take on Carnage.
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Cause they all left. Good!!
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you're absolutely right. im not with the sam raimi defenders who say "but he didnt want to do venom, he said so!"who cares.. EVERYONE wanted to see venom. he should have spent a little more time on his billion dollar franchise learning how to make a good venom story. christ, the guy gets paid enough to not fuck up a great character just cause he doesnt 'get him.'
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We will be seeing the Lizard in 4 in some capacity
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That would be a dream!!
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the last one was on par with Batman and Robin and to tell you the truth I can't stand Tobey as Spidey the same way I hate Dunst as Mary Jane.
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Kraven doesn't need any help hunting anything. His name is Kraven THE HUNTER.
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About how the vulture will make aa great villian.
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Dec 17, 2009 10:25:20 AM CST
Can't believe the hate for Raimi. You call yourselves geeks..
by nomoredirtyjokespleaseweareyanks
Spidey 3 was his worst film, yet it was sublime at moments(Sandmans birth), y'know because he cared about it. There was obvious studio interference as Raimi was quite vocal about it but apart from all this... This guy made the Evil Dead Series for fuck's sake. Spidey 1 has it's problems but it at least felt like a comic book. The second is remarkably better(though I did not like what was done with Doc Ock's character), it pushed the characters further and worked as drama. Also this guy made Darkman, and the brilliant thriller A Simple Plan. Drag Me To Hell was also fun though it seemed even sillier than Army of Darkness at times. I'm willing to give this guy who has provided me with so much entertainment another shot, or even three...In the immortal words of Phillip J. Fry "So what do you nerds want?"
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The Green Goblin! C’mon Sony bringing back Dafoe would get asses back in the seats. He’s a great villain and you could make him a complete and utter amoral bastard after the trauma of being buried alive and finding out Peters after getting his son killed!
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It seemed like they had sequel villians in place from the start and if they would've followed what was already there in the story, the series would've been better and the villians wouldn't seem to be coming out of nowhere each movie. Lizard would seem to be the obvious, most natural villian since they introduced his alter ego already. They should've been developing Dr. Connors character as Peter's mentor a little more each movie but in any event he's right there for his transformation into the lizard. I always thought the landlord's clutzy cute daughter was being set up to become the Black Cat, so that was there too. For the 4th film you really wouldn't need Kraven, since fighting the Lizard while trying to save his mentor, Dr. Connors, would provide lots of dramatic tension. But if the suits demanded another villian Kraven would fit pretty naturally as someone who showed up to hunt the Lizard (who spiderman is trying to both save and defeat). I think Jameson's astronaut son was being set up as a possible villain (venom or that space wolf thing from the comics or something else entirely) as well but that got dropped. I think Spiderman 4 if it gets made, will be made by committee based on a lot of patched together marketing ideas. Like the 3rd one, too many people want to make too much money from it for it to ever be as coherent and good as the first two.
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Seems Natural. He comes ready for all the Special Effects and raimi can cast the reoccuring Bruce Cambell character as Quentin Beck (some loser that is in and out of jobs but then realises he has a knack for gadgetry) I think it would add an essential part of Spidey that has been missing...humour
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but what's the apeal of Carnage? I really want to know. For me it's just an even lamer version of Venom. Can somebody please explain me?
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Is if Ann Hathaway and Dunst have a scene together And they start to get it on.
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You are far to great of a director to get entangled in this bullshit a second time (Venom). Unfortunately I think this version of Spider-Man has ran it's course anyway. "FUCK 'EM" - Tracy Morgan
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Needs your support people.
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Hob-Goblin, your welcome!
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Is the best choice. A disgruntled special effects person working for a major studio (should be a play on ILM) goes rogue and decides to take down Spider-Man. Not the best comic villain, but as a film villain, there's a lot of potential here.
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Just rubbing his hands together waiting for a phone call.
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just do the SINISTER SIX.... if you can't choose one, chose them all.
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Dec 17, 2009 10:31:54 AM CST
" they seem to only be interested in featuring which ever ...
by big jim
"... character is selling books right now but basically they have no idea, just not the Vulture."Um, the books sell because they are called "Spider-Man", not "Spider-Man's Enemy". Would Sony prefer Anti-Venom, or the return of Norman Osbourne, or American Son, or that guy who runs Aunt May's homeless shelter, or the guy who controls machines, or the Parkour chick, or the guy who made it snow, or Raptor (good luck including a character whose motivation for trying to kill Spidey is he think's he's Peter's clone, Ben Reilley)?That quote above says everything you need to know about the "creative" executives at Sony. Who cares if it's good, just as long as they can trick the majority into thinking it will be. If it was up to Sony, the movie would be starring the cast of Twilight and Miley Cyrus, with music by the Jonas Brothers. Good thing Sony didn't make an X-Men movie in the mid 90's or it would have been written and directed by Rob Liefeld.It's a Spider-Man movie - make the movie and people will see it; make a good movie and people will see it again.
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Since the contract stipulates a movie must be made every fews years or they lose the license.
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sounded like an aweful idea. Though I think the Vulture could be done really cool. How about an aging Metal Singer (a la Ozzy) with a band called Vulture. He is also an Anarchist and secretly leads a Gang and has the high tech suit. OK i know it is a stretch but i am trying to make the Vulture cool! :)
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Reboot.
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Dec 17, 2009 10:38:00 AM CST
Everyone should be on Sam's side or well get more of these...
by thatswhatshesaid
Fantastic Four, Wolverine, X3 etc. All studios care about is the money and since the general public will see anything superhero related even if they are told it sucks by countless reviews, we will only get a few good versions of these movies a decade. It's guys like Sam who care about what they produce who will bring it to us.
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because that's what sells books these days. Vampires! Bring in Ratner and make it Sony! You SHITHEADS.
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could anyone see him headlining a spiderman movie ?
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What was that guy's name in Spidey 3. The one who had a daddy supevillain that died? He was in the comics. Wasn't he? He must have been? Why invent a new "villain" when there are so many to adapt from the comics? Strange.
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and it wasn't just Venom
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Now he wanted a Black Cat Vultress...
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Carnage is a by-product of one of the worst eras in comics. He's a one-note, flimsy shitty excuse for a character. The best Carnage story I've ever read was the one where Sentry tore him in half just out of Earth's atmosphere. Seriously, what would the story be about? Carnage escapes prison, gets stuck to a symbiote, and kills people till Spidey shows up? Sounds....fun... Seriously people, there are better, more classic villains that can be used for greater effect. There are even characters that Raimi's already covered and didn't even come close to mining all the potential they had (Dr. Octopus, Green Goblin/Norm Osborn, Harry Osborn's battle with inheriting his father's legacy, Hobgoblin..). Re-to the motherfucking-boot please... And please leave that Carnage shit at the door.
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yeah, i know a large portion of you want to see the lizard, but think about it..if the lizard is the bad guy, its going to be ANOTHER good guy, driven insane/evil by an experiment. we've seen that. 3 times now. how do think it would end? with spider man reasoning with the lizard in some over dramatic climax, like we've seen 3 TIMES ALREADY?doesnt mean i wanted vulture either. im one of the asshole who is saying wait 10 years and reboot. (or dont, just dont make another crappy movie in the 'spiderman universe' that raimi created. it didnt age well.)
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Than the Lizard, I had almost no interest. Yeah, I could go for the Vulture or Electro, and I could even go for a two part story--Lizard dominates part of the story, Black Cat dominates the other part of the story, but Mary Jane needs to be 100% behind Parker and no more relationship woes.Basically, Spiderman 2 was a fluke of a near-perfect Spiderman film, and that will never happen again, so they might as well stop. Although I watched Spiderman 3, and it was largely pretty good until the dance number and Petey hitting Mary Jane and then it just went down hill. Frankly, it would have been a pretty good film if the had just introduced Eddie Brock and kept Venom and the suit out for the next installment.
Spidreman 3: Sandman and Harry/Goblin Jr. cause the problems, Sandman didn't kill Uncle Ben but maybe accidentally put Aunt May in the hospital (thus, Spidey's vengeance) and, in the end, Sandman was soundly defeated and Harry gets put in a more permanent coma. Then, maybe after the credits, the symbiote crashes into Central Park, and the strange specimen is taking to Dr. Conners.
Spiderman 4: Symbiote escapes in Dr. Connors lab, is going nutty, Spidey shows up to help and there is an accident--the one that turns Connors into The Lizard and marries Spidey to the suit. Here, the Eddie Brock arc (introduced in 3) takes off, and it ends up being a 2 parter with Peter fighting the Lizard and Venom, with Dr. Connors being defeated--restored--and ultimately helping Peter come up with the solution to defeating Venom.
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It's clear Raimi's heart wasn't in Spider-Man 3 when they forced Venom on him. The studios should fuck off and let Raimi make the film he wants.
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maybe Raimi, Maguire and snaggletooth will all die in the meantime and the franchise can be resurrected with decent casting and portrayals
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First you didn't want the Vulture and now that the studio doesn't want the Vulture, you want him as the villain now. SMH.
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First half of SM1 is brilliant. Second one is good, but rewatchable? Not really. SM3 is bad because of Venom? How about Gobby JR? WHAT WAS THAT?
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Replace everyone. Get a hotter Mary Jane Watson, and someone who is willing to actually get in shape for the role of "Spiderman". Tobey was chubby in SM3. And just make it a "re-boot" like they did with Hulk.
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I like Raimi, and I was "okay" with the Vulture, but the whole Vultress thing killed it for me. He says that he likes the classic villains, so why not Kraven and Lizard? Hell, why not Electro. What challenge is Vulture to Spider-Man really? Unless he's teamed up with someone. And if you're going to have Felcia Hardy in the movie, make her Black Cat. Not some totally new piss poor version of Black Cat. Honestly though, I don't mind if the movie isn't made. Maybe, just maybe, Marvel/Disney will get the rights back and reboot the series. Maybe cast someone who's actually hot to play Mary Jane. Someone not so wooden as Tobey Maguire. Maybe if they decide to touch on Venom again, maybe introduce Eddie Brock a few movies before he becomes Venom.
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Spider-Man should decide to rid of the world of nuclear weapons, opening a new era of world peace while fighting the powerful new villain Nuclear Man. Uh, wait a minute. Never mind.
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Carnage could be lamer thn Venom. But if he was written the right way and could be the evil unsympathetic slaughtering demon in the comics, it could be a refreshing change from the spidey villains with heart deep down we have been getting use to.
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Might as well call him the Albatross around Spidey's neck. Who are they making these movies for, anyway? Who, besides nostalgia-obsessed middle aged geeks, wants to see the Spider-Man fight an old guy in a vulture costume? Honestly, if Raimi is pouting and holding his breath until he gets to use the Vulture (and, god help us, the Vulturess) then I say let him take his ball and go home to make more DMTH's and Evil Deads and let someone else make a Spider-Man movie without the damn Vulture. -
And get the tissues ready for him
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...and I'm really looking forward to THE HOBBIT.
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The evil chair dancing and disco weirdness was the best part of that movie. You know it, I know it, the American people know it.
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I'm going F-up another one. Look foward to your tickets.
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The only Spidey villains that sell right now are Norman Osborn and Venom. So yeah Sony, you might have to let Sam win this one, unless you want to really go outside the box and have him fight Magneto or the Joker.....
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Vulture is pretty cool too and could be done right, but come on. Hope Spidey 4 gets back on track soon. Again,...Spiderman 3 had it's faults, but it was solid and very entertaining.
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this film is on hold because it's just a bad idea overall and EVERYONE knows it. Raimie wants to make it but the studio obviously doesnt want him to make it, so they'll stall with demands that ramie can't or wont want to meet. It's classic relationship bullshit
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Dec 17, 2009 11:03:22 AM CST
Kirten Dunst is the only reason we go to see these movies.
by jaycieboy
Between her performance's and her bubblegum accent , I don't know how anyone can stay away.
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Seriously, Raimi is a pure Lee and Ditko Spider-Man fan. He's always said that. It makes sense he would want to do a Vulture film. It's classic Spider-Man.
Once Venom was forced on him, look what kind of crap film we got. I don't really feel that more contemporary characters fit with his iteration of Spier-Man. Good luck Sam. I'm hoping you get to make the film you want to make! -
for good villains. The Lizard wants to kill Spider-Man even though Spidey is trying to help him, all the while having to fight off Kraven who wants them both dead. You get that duality of two villains - one who hunts out of instinct and has no control over himself, and one who hunts for pleasure and is in complete control; one villain who is sickened by his actions, and one who takes great pride in his.On the other hand, I too have had enough of the sympathetic villain in the Spider-Man films. Whatever happened to a Bad Guy who was simply a bad guy? However, as long as Parker has nothing to do with Connors becoming the Lizard, as long as he doesn't feel guilty for him being a monster, as long as he has sympathy for him because they are friends, and as long as Spidey's motivation for the climactic battle in no way involves MJ or anyone else being kidnapped and held as bait, I'm on board.
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He was the main villian? Now the Vulture? WTF?
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Oh yeah , now I'd get in line for that.
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and Raimi as the con-artist sfx guy Mysterio! Who else could trick people in believing his Spider-man movies are good.
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Whitty banter insues!!!
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C'mon you know you want it.
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I really hope there is never a Rami/Maguire/Dunst Spider-Man movie, and also hope Maguire is nowhere near The Hobbit.
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It going happen folks. Just wait.
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and what about the crying, the omelett cooking, peter dancing, m.j. singing (twice), and so on. You're exactly right, Venom was the least of SM3's problems.
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Nooooooooooooooooooooo!!!!!! Wow what a terrible nightmare that was. Thanks for waking me Mom.
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Spider-Man done gone to the crapper. Reboot.
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That's what this movie needs.
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5 minutes, pre-credits, a la 007 series. Then move on to the main feature - Kraven & The Lizard. Then sit back and watch the cash flood in.
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For once the studio seems to know better than the director: who the hell cares about the vulture? This is just proff that Raimi is completely out of touch with Spidey right now.
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ok, so being unsympathetic and violent is all that there's to him? Come on, they wouldn't even be able to show the real violence anyway, it just doesn't fit in the spider-man universe, not to mention a PG-13 rating. What's the point. Plus, Kletus Casidy isn't realy a well developed characters. He's just a big psycho.
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...for ruining Spider-Man 3. Be honest with yourselves. Remove your replica chainsaw hands, set aside your 15th edition of "Evil Dead II," and please just recognize that if you were to remove every frame of Venom and Venom-related material you'd still have an absolutely woeful movie. Make no mistake, the suits certainly aren't out to help him make a great Spider-Man movie but Raimi is FAR from blameless for this franchise's faults. So far we've had: 1) a super-strong, super-agile, gadget-happy goblin-man; 2) a genius with deadly thought-controlled, multi-purpose metal tentacles; 3) another super-strong, super-agile goblin man with gadgets; 4) a guy with all of Spidey's powers and none of his morals or restraint; and 5) a nigh-unstoppable sand monster. And Raimi wants to follow all these dangerous villains with an old bald man who flies around in a bird costume? Might as well call it Spider-Man 4: Diminishing Returns.
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Dec 17, 2009 11:19:41 AM CST
The studio didn't want Vulture LAST time either! Remember, Sam?
by triple_j_72
Just abandon this Vulture shit already. Give us Lizard, give us Kraven. The end. And I'm willing to bet that whole "Vultress" thing was true. But then that would mean somebody in the "suits" has common sense... so... I'd better be wrong.
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and by "you can't use..." I don't mean YOU, I mean people in general
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How bad ass could the Scorpion be? A man hired by JJJ to put on a suit and make a fool of Spidey (and of course, sell a shitload of papers..), suit/gizmo malfunctions and hired goon gets stuck. Blames JJ, looks for revenge. Enter Spidey, fighting a guy with all his powers, plus that nasty tail & all it's gadgets. This is the synopsis of the Scorpion's first appearance (he was basically the "Venom" of his time. Considered an opposite for Spider-man). I thin it could be adapted pretty seamlessly, plus a few plot points here and there to fill out the story and voila! Besides, Raimi could use the point of how cool those Clash of the Titans scorpions look, and how scorpions are "hot" right now. That should convince those money-grubbing turds.
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In the new Spider-Man 4 movie, Spider-Man must fight a supercomputer created by special guest star Richard Pryor, while dealing with an evil copy of himself and new potential love interest Lana Lang. Wait......damn! That doesn't work either.
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Don't! Get Don't , Don't do it , walk away now!
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Well said my man. Perhaps the only real well thought out post in the midst of a babble of fanboy nonsense.
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Spidey has lame villains.
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Like the Scarecow . . . Brilliant! I love it , and . . . .action!
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in a bird costume! What a challenge.
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The best news I've heard all day. That McGuire is rumored for Bilbo is THEE WORST news I've heard in some time. McGuire + del Toro = 2 Hobbit films I would never watch.
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Arguing over a villain. Didn't Raimi want to make one up like the "Vultress" too? WTF? If that's true than I'm not surprised to see the studio shaking their heads saying "why the fuck were we going to hire you again?"
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In the Dojo , No sensi!!!
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Just WTF??
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And he employs the Black Cat to steal something.
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Dec 17, 2009 11:34:10 AM CST
I really want another overatted and halfass spider-man movie
by jaycieboy
So naturally , I'm in.
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How about the Rhino? He'd make a great "before the credits" 007 type intro as has been mentioned here as well...
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Does it? Only on Screen Sensi!!
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I'm really looking forward to see what he does with the Blizzardverse.
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Mr. Bootskin
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HAAhahahahahahahhaahahaaa!!!!
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After she has unprotected sex with Spider-man she start's to crawl up walls and lift trucks.
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Yes indeed!
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Skip a reboot, but consider a recast. 1 and 2 were awesome, 3 was embarrassing to watch, but no need to reset anything. I personally think James McAvoy would make an awesome Spidey. Any number of girls would make a decent Mary Jane, but something needs to be done with that. To carry that relationship over 4 movies will get tired. If 3 had been better I might still be interested in the ongoing Peter/Mary Jane soap opera, but now its just lame. 3 fucked up any interest in Gwen Stacy for me, which sucks cause she should have been there from film 1. Looking back there were a lot of missed opportunities from throwing in MJ so early on. My thought, consider a recast, and consider mining some of the storylines and character models in the Ultimate Universe. The Bendis version of Venom would have been fucking awesome, and instead they chose to have the meteor randomly land right next to Peter Parker. LAZY LAZY LAZY storytelling.
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Bring Bendis in to write the damn script!
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Reboot the series with Joseph Gordon-Levitt as Parker.Fuck Raimi's Spidey 4Its time for a fresh take.
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Dec 17, 2009 11:47:02 AM CST
Sandman is in the comic this month maybe they could.....oh wait.
by thedannerdaliel
Kraven ,and the Lizard is still my choice
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Or Henry Rollins
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Why....cause he has a very slight familial resemblance to the kid who played Frodo?Bad idea folks...very bad. But then, Jackson originally wanted to cast Xena (Lucy Lawless) as Arwyn....
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Is there a difference between comic books and a 2 hr film screenplay? Don't know you decide America.
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If thats parrt of their strategy they might want to notice the book is all about bringing back the old school villains right now. We just got back Electro, Sandman, even Hammerhead got to return. And apparently Mysterio, someone new donning the costume, will be making an appearance. Then there's Norman Osbourne, who I'm assuming they'd just keep dead in the movies at this point. You'd think they'd just trust Raimi seeing how he made that franchise what it is in the first place.
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There, you're done. Just do Cats & Kings from USM or something. Anything. Anything but Vulture/Vultress, fuck!
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Or K.D Lang!! You choose America!!
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Naked in a bird suit! Yes Please!
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I get it now- Raimi has decided that he wants out of this project.Why else would he propose such a ridiculous idea as the Vultress? He must have known that the studio would never OK it, so now he gets to walk.
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He's jumping.
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Bad creative and casting choices from day 1 (Maguire is a terrible Peter Parker, Dunst is an anti-sexy Mary Jane..Green Goblin ARMOR?!!), a terrible 3rd movie and more whining and tears than action have killed this series for me. Not to mention The Dark Knight was a far better, more intense film-going experience than all 3 Spider-Man movies combined.
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Has nice Hooter's.
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You think the studio wants whatever villain is selling in the books. Really? Venom transcended the books and the studio wanted him, to their fault. It backfired. I don't know what villain is in the books now, but do you really think the studio cares? How many movie goers would know one villain from another? Whether they are current villains or not. This is bullshit.
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Dec 17, 2009 11:56:33 AM CST
Superman II , Batman Begins , Superman: the Movie , Dark Knight
by jaycieboy
Real superhero films too get excited about.
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Spider-man has always been the sunnier side of comic book lore, and with every film they have tried to be so damn serious whilst shooting the whole angle in the foot.
They go for tragedy but dress the schizoid villain up as a Power Ranger. They go for love vs duty as a superhero but spend half the movie with the superhero not having his super powers. They go for the dark side of power and have it turn out to be...dancing. This franchise is all fucked.
Spider-Man should have always had Adam Brody (Seth Cohen from The OC) as a lively, witty Peter Parker whose spider-upped confidence loses him Uncle Ben but gets him the girl Gwen Stacey (which should have been Reese Witherspoon) and a duty to duel Dr Octopus (Larry Drake, Durrant in Darkman) whose gone rogue since an experiment for Norman Osborne, and bring in Green Goblin for the sequel and have a little incident on a bridge (bye-bye Gwen), exploited by a photographer Eddie Brock, and you can probably guess where that takes number 3.
But no, we get this shit.
If Sam Raimi wants to disagree with Sony, I'm afraid given he wants to turn Black Cat into Vultress, I'm starting to think it wasn't Sony insistance on any particular comic book meat but Sam Raimi's lack of respect for any of it that fucked Spider-Man 3.
And the first two.
Anyone? -
"Yeah , yeah yeah!"
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Dec 17, 2009 11:58:14 AM CST
I don`t want another villain.They keep killing them!!assholes!!
by thedannerdaliel
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Would be awesome.
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Then everyone's happy. Except me because Maguire is a giant pouting vagina in this series. I'm always rooting for the villians to win and end his pain....
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I'm imagining a Lizard/Kraven movie where in the third act, Spider-man manages to cure Doc Conners, making him useless for action, and forcing Kraven to look at Spider-man as the only "trophy" left in NYC, leading to a Kraven/Spidey finale. Personally, I would have MJ watching it on TV and no where near kidnapped, and end it with Kraven arrested by the NYPD, threatening to return.
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Wants your tickets please. And he' only asking once people! Don't giv'em no backtalk!!
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well put...finally someone who gets spiderman
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Hire ME to frickin' write it!
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I . . . I , I forgive you , . . . . . tear drop. Now you can float away.
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Vulture is so lame.
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Big Wheel and Rocket Racer!
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A villain for the air and a villain for the ground.
Spidey is accused of high rise theft.
Peter Parker shows his scientist side and tries to help a friend.
This is all we need. Classic and rich characters.
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I can't survive without you. Do you relise I just ran through the square in my wedding dress , laughing at the top of my lungs and abandon the man I love. Are'nt I a catch. Go get'em tiger. Cut and print.
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Vampires are all the rage right now. I've mentioned this countless times before that he should be the villain. And Fuck the Vulture.
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Gotta eat. . . . . . . . . . shit. But make sure it vegitarian.
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Glad you agree. I'm guessing you hate CGI? I think it's become a wheelchair to sfx artists who can't be bothered to walk. Did anyone ever see the animatronic life sized Hulk being considered before they went CGI? Oh man, if only they went with it.
They should reboot the Spider-Man series. Tobey Maquire looks about 24 in the first one, 28 in the second, and about 34 in the third one, they have to recast it's only sensible. If they signed him the back-to-back deal he'd look about 39 in number five. And if you're gonna recast one, might as well recast all, especially seeing as it looks like Tobey Maquire and Sam Raimi are both on the way out of the property.
Reboot! And Morningstar to write it!
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I agree with people who've said that the cast looks bored. However, they looked bored in the first and second films, to me. What saved them was the villains. Then, in the third film, the problem wasn't that the villains weren't "bad" enough, or weren't well-played. It was that the shat out a Venom side story and the badly executed it. Message to studio: did you really not realize that you would be making a fourth film and therefor need a major villain? Well, Venom was the way to go! A full-length Spidey vs. Venom COULD HAVE been incredibly tense and very, very special. But you already screwed that up.Vulture, not the best choice for a villain. However, the real problem I had with that previous piece was the silly Vulturess, or whatever she was called in the story. The Vulture could make a great villain and you could tell a great story. Just don't get so full of yourselves (you OR Raimi!) that you think you can just go and start inventing silly ass characters that have nothing to do with the long, rich history of the Spiderman comic book. Gah. Done.
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Morbius doesn't have fangs , stares at teenage girls and sparkles in the sunlight.
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The internet.
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A sequel based on Kraven's last hunt; fearful symetary would take the franchise to a bold direction, i originally suggested this idea on the TBs only to have some uninformed asshole (manifestchaos) call me nuts or something of that ilk, because he belived Spidey shouldn't have any dark undertones..(as if the previous three were happy films.)the vulture is very old news and was always a boring villian if you ask me, i say get Kraven and lizard if not Vermin. Make it SO(NY)!
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Right now and tell them I'll sign an NDA and RF and work for free on one pass of the script and take a shot at it.
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Dec 17, 2009 12:23:30 PM CST
Gany, even Morbius would be a much better choice than Vulture.
by stalkeye
For once, I agree with the studio heads.
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Wants his 30 million right now.
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He himself said on conan they were gonna shoot beginning in feb-mar, and he was genuine. Goes to show they were serious *enough* about the vulture and vultress and saw the adverse reaction to the "leak". Well at least now they'll be able to balance their desires for a villain and the people's suggestions.
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Kill it! Kill it dead!
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Bring me some Ben Reilly! We could have twice the terrible Toby acting!
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You know what makes Vulture great? He is an actual character and has a personality. Unlike Venom, who's personality is so one dimensional that people in Flatland think it is thin.
The best villain in the series has so far been Doc Oct, another villain many so-called Spider-Man fans called lame and boring. and the fan boys demanded Green Goblin over Doc Oct for the first movie as the villain. He was also a villain who people said had wouldn't be a good match against Spidey: short chubby guy with a bowl cut and glasses whose powers is METAL TENTACLES? The guy is just a normal human with robot tentacles? How is he going to compete against Spider-Man? Yet, on the big screen he ruled. Why?
Because he has personality and character, something that Vulture also has, and something that Venom (sole purpose to kill Spider-Man) and Green Goblin (Osborn had personality, Goblin didn't; which is why they decided to kill him off in the 70s) are just visually interesting villains. Good for a comic book, bad for movies where a villains motivation, pathos and passions are what make them great.
And for everyone who says Vulture couldn't fight Spider-Man because he is old - Peter Parker is a skinny nerd who fights villains, but everyone doesn't say that is ridiculous. Why? Because he has powers. Well news flash, so does Vulture. -
Just shave his head and he's ready to go. Great casting. Turn the movie on it's ear.
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For four ye4rs, Spider-M4n h4s been se4rching four different cities to loc4te the mysterious ch4rm of the four destinies™. Together with his four p4ls, they h4ve only four d4ys to uncover the mysterious pl4ns of the newest b4ddy b-4 4ll 4re doomed!
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He himself said on conan they were gonna shoot beginning in feb-mar, and he was genuine. Goes to show they were serious *enough* about the vulture and vultress and saw the adverse reaction to the "leak". Well at least now they'll be able to balance their desires for a villain and the people's suggestions.
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Better news I could not have found :)
It's time for Raimi and crew to MOVE ON! The franchise needs new blood to survive. Fuck give it to Blomkamp w/ a micro-budget and I bet he can show Raimi how it's done.
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He will swallow all in his way.
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For people like me who couldn't careless about the spider-man franchise.
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He will cry on cue.
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Is laughing his ass off in a big pile of money.
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She already looks kinda manish. Shave her head and you gt magic.
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Because he looks stupid as fuck. I think Raimi should have kept Venom who could have actually conveyed some kind of menace(if not played by Topher Grace), and dropped The Sandman, a retconning sad sack. Oh, I'll let the guy who killed my uncle go because he has a daughter! I won't even see his murdering robbing dumbass incarcerated because he has a daughter! Pathetic. Raimi, do something with Bruce Campbell. Something else!
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And never even touched Spiderman to begin with. It is quite a stretch to go from The Evil Dead series to a fucking Spiderman film.
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Report to my trailer please. I need
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And still they don't trust him? Morons.
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Report to fitting , you hooters need adjusting. I'll be conducting the seemstress.
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What about no villains at all? That should be more fun than the last film.
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Has been trying to find Rami for yrs.
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Is ready to suck all the life onscreen , so get your tickets ready people.
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http://www.superherohype.com/news/spider-mannews.php?id=8930
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continuity is important. even if its continuity of suckage.
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Dec 17, 2009 12:51:05 PM CST
Hey Sony, remember what happened last time you put Raimi in a co
by bkirckof
The movie did huge numbers, sure, but when I put it on FX the other night my friends spent a whole hour bashing it.
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Respect, but Vulture IS lame. Any character can be fitted with a good motivation to fight Spidey, but it still boils down to the on-screen image of Spider-Man in a fistfight with an old guy. At least Venom, Doc Ock, even Sandman had cool effects accompany their (admittedly sometimes thin) characterization... I can't imagine what could be exciting about a fistfight with a guy in a bird suit. He might be a good supporting villain, but even with really inspired casting (Malkovich?), I just don't see him carrying a whole movie. And with the 3-movie set-up for Lizard and a perfect opportunity to use someone a bit more interesting like Kraven in the same story, I think Vulture is a mistake and that Sony is wise to fight Raimi on this point. I'm not even going to comment on the idiocy of the idea of turning Felicia Hardy into the "Vulturess." -
I sure did not go to see any of the movies because the evil dead spoof director made them. And Spiderman one was a huge disappointment. Spidey 2 is great only in comparison to #1, and Spidey 3 sucked the unholy union of a goat and porcupines balls. Any director who cast Dunst, and made Tobey sing emo, can not be trusted.
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How does the Vulture look any dumber than Spider-Man or any of his other foes? Green Goblin, Dr. Octopus, Mysterio, Kraven the Hunter...hell, even Venom looks ridiculous (I mean, where the fuck does that tongue and mouth come from).
I think people are mistaking muscles and size with menace. Al Capone, Osama Bin Laden and Adolf Hitler might not have been as big and tough looking as a biker or musclebound enforcer, but I think you could argue all three were way more dangerous and evil. -
Mom! Why did you have too wake me up so soon!
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.....who is actually a evil villain & not just a good guy turned into a villain through lame circumstances? (Goblin: nice guy turned bad through serum. Dr Oc: nice guy turned bad through failed experiment. Sandman: nice guy turned bad through trying to provide for his family by crime. Son of Goblin: nice guy turned bad through bitterness. Venom: Jerk turned bad cause he got fired!)
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http://www.superherohype.com/news/spider-mannews.php?id=8930
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Why? because he's evil! Can't you read people! Get it together.
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that movie as SHITS on batman begins. SM3 wasn't great but spider-man 2 was my favorite superhero movie EVER until TDK and even the dark night doesn't beat spider-man 2 for action
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A-Rod or Adolf , I can't remember. Both are evil.
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To quote Roger Stern, the best Spider-Man writer after Stan Lee, "Vulture is the best Spider-Man foe ever!" While not my personal favorite (Doc Oct gets that vote) I think he is a damn good foe and as Mr Stern pointed out, is kind of Spidey's opposite: Old and wise were Peter is young and inexperienced, and cunning and ruthless where Peter is energetic and optimistic.
Personally, I think Vulture's opportunity has passed to work as a villain (he should appear in movie two or three, when you could argue Peter is still young and relatively inexperienced) but I just disagree with those who say he doesn't work or lame villain. I think people are putting style over substance in this case.
Would I have him be the lone villain? No, because I think he isn't a true physical threat to Peter (which he shouldn't be, even in the comics Vulture was to smart to face Spider-Man on equal grounds, better to flee and kill him quickly when you got the chance, or wait until he is weakened) but if they had him working with Sandman in part 3, it would have been a better movie (as long as they got rid of that moronic "Sandman killed Uncle Ben" angle). -
Doing what a spider-can . . . . . to stay revelent.
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Superherohype (whom I trust WAAAAAAAAAAAAAY more than IESB) just posted that it is only on hiatus for the holidays and is NOT stopped.
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His dignity Back. Anybody seen it?
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At least someone fucking saw this. i've been posting this like crazy on this talkback.
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now just make it a gangsta Ghetto movie
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Just a retool ala Harry Potter. Keep the general universe, but change up the visual style, take the focus off the Peter/MJ thing, recast, but please dont retread origins.
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Why not just find a way to write Spidey's entire name just using numbers?
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With my life. They have always been trust worthy and dependable. Just like a tapon. There's no way this powerful , well thoght out production can be stopped.
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...exaaaactly
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I hadn't seen your posts, but I see them now. It doesn't surprise me that Merrick hasn't updated the main article, but I think IESB saying the studio didn't know who they wanted to be the villain just not the Vulture was pretty telling. Right now there aren't any Spider-Man villains selling books.
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And wasn't there like a werewolf and a bat-looking motherfucker? Put them in it.
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Just one. Don't load the movie down with villans again please.
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Want Spider-man's ass to repot to his trailer please. So he can rape it accordingly.
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That's a website that's really on the ball!
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Dec 17, 2009 1:09:34 PM CST
Poor Spiderman and his Weak Ass Rogue's Gallery
by jeangrey_x23_lesbosex
Face it Tiger, Doc Ock, the goblin, and Venom are the only legit badasses. Blame the Marvel Comic writers for coming up with lames such as Hydro Man and Tombstone.
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She read what you wrote and totally wants you!
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But I have a feeling that they posted this just to create traffic.
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You dignity has been found . Please report to Mr. Rami's toliet for more instructions.
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Well said. But I still just have this gut feeling, with letting all the bad thing from S3 slipping into the movie, and Sony being ok with it, that this whole Vulter and ridiculous Vultress thing will actually happen in S4.
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Some Hair Gell , and a nice pair of pants. Mr. Big Jim?
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I think he *could* be an interesting villain for Spidey, if used correctly, but I don't think it will pan out for several of the reasons you listed. This is the age of 20 year old starship captains and fighter pilots, we can barely get real grown ups to play characters with "man" in their name, I don't think an "old" themed villain without at least a cool visual gimmick (Magneto) is going to fly (pardon the pun) as the chief threat in what is really just a 200 million dollar business enterprise. You know they'd want a villain that is going to be a physical threat (more action set pieces) and I'm not sure there is a way to make him visually "cool" enough for the test-markets. It'd be a rehash of Doc Ock and part 2 but with wings instead of tentacles. I'd like to see a game of wits like you describe but I don't see that happening in a tentpole action movie. I think Raimi blew his director-capital with his insistence on Sandman for part 3 and so some of the golden/silver-age characters that he wants are going to be lost causes. Frankly, I'm tired of intensely introspective Spider-Man movies, I want to see some fun action again (like the beginning of the first movie), I don't see that coming from Vulture. -
I don't know. It is pretty much acknowledged that after Batman and maybe the Flash, Spidey has the best Rogue's Gallery.
Doc Oct, Green Goblin, Hobgoblin, VULTURE, Kraven the Hunter, Lizard, Kingpin of Crime, Scorpion, Mysterio...the list goes on and on.
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For my closeup Miss Hathaway.
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If ol Molty Vulty (it rhymes just say it slowly) can not be a sole villain, then that means he will have to be helped into his diapers and teeth by a secondary or even tertiary (Yes! I got to use tertiary in a sentence today, I am happy!)bad guy, and Raimi has so suckily proven he can not handle multiple bad guys in action. So, it makes sense to dicth Molty Vulty in favor of a bad guy that can hold his own without help, or at least who can hold onto his piss without having to run to the store in the middle of a fight for some depends. ' hang on chaps I need a pee break, and i gotta pick up some denture adhesive!'
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Pointless Traffic. It make's me happy
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A pee break. Indefinitely???
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There?
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That Raimi blew SM3. Not because he used Sandman or Venom, but because he used them both and both horribly.
I could see Vulture and Sandman working together - Vulture as the brains and Sandman as a super-powered thug to act as his muscle. One supplies the motivation and smarts, the other supplies the much needed power to tackle Spidey.
As for Venom, I admit I am not a fan, but I think you've got to respect his fans by trying to put out a decent version of him. And to do that you need two movies to set him up - one involving the suit and introducing Eddie Brock, the second where the two combine to fight Spider-Man. Venom has such a convoluted origin that you need time to set it all up.
Finally, I will say Riami really blew using the Vulture in earlier movies because he works better when the Osborns are around. You could easily combine his origin with Prof. Stromm's and have him bear a grudge against Norman for stealing his inventions and framing him for embezzlement, and have him be a bitter man trying to get revenge against Norman (or his son if Norman is dead). Plus the entire flying wings could be based on his original designs, which you could say were used to create the gliders.
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Dec 17, 2009 1:21:58 PM CST
You can tell Kirsten Dunst is bored with playing Mary jane..
by emeraldboy
because she blabbed about who were going to be the villains in Spiderman 3. sony gave her a verbal punching and told her to keep her mouth shut. movie still stank.
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Please!
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i cant believe im saying this, but for once i agree with the studios. the vulture is a FUCKING TERRIBLE idea for a villian, especially for a franchise that desperately needs a breath of fresh air. im sorry, but an old man in a bird suit is NOT appealing to men as a villian. go with what the fans want and introduce kraven and the lizard. and dont even get me started on that "vultress" shit
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Carnage. nough said.
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As I said earlier, why is it that an old villain is ridiculous, but a young nerdy hero is completely acceptable. Sure, in the real world an old man would get his ass kicked, but so would a fucking high school nerd. I have the lunch money to prove that.
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you get the point
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just not yet. go recast betty ross. please dont hire liv tyler.
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I don't think the Vulturess thing is accurate. I don't know why but I have a feeling. I would love to see the Lizard, but I don't know if that is going to happen. Ideally, Vulture and Mysterio would be perfect if we don't get the Lizard.
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Fuck, then they weren't even close to being ready.
Can this whole fucking thing and start over. No one involved really cares about this movie.
And by the way, anyone else absolutely sick and fucking tired of directors taking on about 10 projects at a time and then indiscriminately dumping about half of them, lately? -
Not as good as 'Dirk the well hung Ameoba', but I likes it!
I have no problem with Molty Vulty's age. But I do think he too closely resembles Doc Ock (Oct), for him to be a featured villain. And after the fiasco of Spidey 3, they may be jittery,. But seeing as how all of this is just a bad rumor, you may still get your wish. -
Venom should have been the focus of ONE entire film, but not 3. Way too early in the series. Should have saved it for 7. Because how can you top Spidey defeating 6 of his top foes in Spider-man vs Sinister 6? Full-on Venom story.
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As I said earlier, I think Vulture's time has sadly passed. He works much better as a foe of a younger Spider-Man, where the age difference is much more profound, and the symbolism of the generation gap is greater.
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or did someone with common sense walk in the room and say what the fuck is a Vulturess?
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"Dirk the Well Hung Amoeba" baby! " My rep is sealed! Gotta find me a willing, sweet assed popcorn kernel to do the deed with!
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Agreed. Carnage blows.
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As a comic book and comic book movie fan, I'm the first to say fans are both a treasure trove and a cancer on comic book movies. And studios are foolish if they let themselves be led around by the nose by fans whining about what they want.
So suits, listen up. Stop doing your damn "market research" and finding out what's selling titles or what villians are most "beloved". That got you a crappy Spider Man 3 movie that misused Green Goblin 2, Sandman, and Venom to no one's benefit.
Here's what you do. Get a good director who loves the source material (you have one.) Get a writer with the same qualifications, and make sure he/she has a good relationship with the director. Then tell them to make a good movie first, and a good Spider-Man movie second. Take a villain or villains that both of them love, and put what you love about them on screen. If you need to depart from canon to make it work, do so.
That is what will get you a good movie that will not only have good box office, but will keep selling DVD's for years to come.
Fans have no idea how to create a commercially successful film or a good film. If they did, they would be writers and directors.
I trust Raimi. If he has good ideas for the Vulture, go with the Vulture. If its Mysterio, Lizard, whoever... go with it. He'll make you a better movie than all the market research or whiney fan message boards ever will. -
A V A T A R is fucking our eyeballs RIGHT NOW!!!!!!!!!!
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Dec 17, 2009 1:44:32 PM CST
Don't Kill Your Best Villians Off in the First Film 101
by jacksbloatedpayroll
HOLFIL - Instructors - T. Burton, S. Raimi - Mondays 9AM-9:05AM
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They reboot the series, Fuck Raimi, and Fuck Toby and Kirstin, they rally didn't do that great of a job anyway, sure the film looked nice, but the portrayals of the characters were just not right, and turning Felicia into the Vultress is one of the dumbest ideas i have ever heard.
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For cryin' out loud just let Raimi do his Classic Villains before they start fucking up the mix again like they did with Venom.
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...and always has been. We never had any large, "official" announcement of Maguire and Dunst's returning, nor I think Raimi's, from the studio -- it was all just "implied" by various interviews with the principles. Then we get that wonderful story in VARIETY some months back about SONY really digging VANDERBILT's scripts, but Raimi NOT, thus some already brewing discontent. Raimi has since brought in at least two re-writers (and this is only the officially announced ones), and they STILL seemed no closer to a Feb production start. "Our hope is to start in Jan/Feb/March," they say... Well, doesn't sound like production is too confident, then. Word is that SONY was over-the-moon about Vanderbilt's script(s), which were initially planned as a 4-5 two-parter, and now were recently planned for 5-6, with a new team. It is my suspicion that SONY is now trying to force/push Raimi & Co. OUT, because they really, really want to see Vanderbilt's scenario made into the next Spidey pic(s). I would bet that Vanderbilt came up with something a little more edgy, with a little more attitude, and a little more contemporary appeal... I would be totally happy now if in fact Raimi and Co. walked, and let SONY move this franchise into a new direction. IT'S TIME.
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The Vulture. Think Sexy Beast.
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would have to be Tombstone. That story would make for a helluva movie.
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http://www.superherohype.com/news/spider-mannews.php?id=8930
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Dude, that lizard guy was cool. I used to love how he would fuck a guy up with his tail. He could smack the hell out of a guy with that thing.
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he's my favorite Spidey villain, but...as I've posted before, go back and read issue #7 of Amazing Spider-Man where Vulture busts out of the pen and later dangles Spidey far above the city. Great fucking story. Superhero villains are supposed to look fucking ridiculous. That's what makes comic books fun. If I want to see guys in nondescript power armor I'll watch a generic scifi. And what's not scary about a giant bird man? Go stand next to someone holding a bird of prey on a glove, and tell me you weren't nervous.
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Beyonce and J-Lo can do the same with theirs! Now I would pay a dollar to see that!
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I loved Spider-Man 3, and was largely bored by SM-2. I have watched both movies around ten times each. SM-3 is just fuckin' great as far as I'm concerned, so long as you view it through the right prism. The story is all about Peter, MJ and Harry. The two villains are mere plot devices to facilitate the dynamics between the core trio. Peter's two fights with Harry are outstanding. The black Spidey period is fucking great, and the musical sequences are fantastic.
I regard all SM-3 haters as miserable fanboy curmudgeons who have forgotten how to enjoy movies. The only thing I really dislike in it is the out of place English model playing the reporter. She doesn't work at all. (Hope that's not why she topped herself in real life, poor woman.)
SM-2, on the other hand, is overwrought and frequently dull. It isn't saying anything new, it's not "the smart Spider-Man to SM-3's dumb Spider-Man", it's just a so-so summer blockbuster.
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He's got my vote for Kraven the Hunter!
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Dec 17, 2009 2:04:29 PM CST
REBOOT JGL AS SPIDER-MAN? ZOOEY DESCHANEL AS MARY JANE?
by bringingsexyback
Whoever came up with this brilliant idea ... you've got one hell of a hug coming.
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I'd pay 2 grand an hour for that. But no tip.
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Wait and see. While rumors can be exaggerated, and the truth is usually somewhere in between, rumors tend to be generated from somewhere or SOMETHING... And we've already heard quite enough troublesome "news" concerning the dis-organization of SM4, and much of this through "official" industry channels/the trades!
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*To Fight The Unbeatable Foe*
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End of story! Fuck SpiderM4n! Fuck the Vulture! And fuck Anne Hathaway! (no seriously, I wanna fuck Anne Hathaway!)
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Dec 17, 2009 2:22:30 PM CST
Hey Heres an Idea lets ONLY use Venom and Carnage from now on!
by s8ntmark
Spider Man 4: Venom and Carnage
Spider Man 5: Venom and Carnage!
Spider Man 6: Venom and Carnage!!
Yay! Fans and studio are happy, but the MOVIES SUCK!
If you don't like Spidy's classics villains then stop watching Spider-Man movies, because clearly you don't like Spider-Man!
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I mean, Sam Raimi pretty much killed the series with that abysmal third one. Just let it die already
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This shit just writes itself. Make it happen.
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need to remember that studios going with 'what's hot' at the moment is exactly what they need to move away from. Morbius is a very niche character that would not work in the universe of the Spiderman film series. I'm actually in agreement with the Kraven/Lizard faction of fans. The problem with most Spiderman villains is that they're stupid, for lack of a better word. Scorpion, Rhino, Vulture, Electro with his effeminate fishnet shirt, etc. Why they had to introduce every member of the animal kingdom to Spidey's rogues gallery because he represents an arachnid is beyond me.
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Vs. Giant Shoulder Pads and Boxing Boxing Headgear.
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Ultimate story, it would be perfect.
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I think you are thinking of Shocker, but his costume is more insulated padding, than fishnet.
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They said no to Lizard because they wanted a "human face" what the fuck? Now they are saying no Vulture? Are they just blindly pushing for Venom AGAIN? Or Carnage? Carnage would make no fucking sense. So who are they pushing for? Electro? Shocker? Rhino? Who are you pushing for? Suits are just morons they are just fucking morons. Obviously didn't learn their lesson with SP3. They fucked with the movie hard core and the movie ended up sucking with the only bright moments coming through because of Raimi. If I had to pick I'd say Kraven(Gerard Butler) and Lizard. It would be perfect.
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I hope they di get rid of Raimi. He's a bit of spoiled Baby. Sm3 is a example of what he does when he does not get his way. While X-2 shows how Bryan Singer manned up and made the best of what he was dealt.
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...one of the worst possible choices for tha ANY role in the pending Hobbit movies
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never kill sony's cash cow.
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He could do Kraven for sure. I have my doubts that he would do another superhero/villian role.
Joseph Gordon Levitt for Spiderman
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I think you're right about Raimi. From what I've heard, he's a rich kid who's never had to try too hard to become what he has. I think Evil Dead was paid for by his parents or family members or something. Now, that doesn't automatically make his films shit (and actually, they're not) but as Joseph Cambell once said, "art comes from pain." I'm thinking Raimi has never really had to struggle in this life which is why his films always feel slightly homogenized to me. They always look a little flat and passionless. His lack of life experience comes through on the screen. Now contrast that to Cameron who was a school bus mechanic before he started making films. When you have to fight in life, you end up fighting for your art as well. Raimi never learned this. If he had he would have told them to shove Venom up there ass for S3. He never liked the character but put him in the movie anyway. Weak.
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If they're listening to the Internets... I say go with Rhino. Kraven/Lizard would be great, to be sure. But Rhino has always been my favorite Spidey baddie. Brute strength v/s speed and dexterity is always an interesting conflict. I have no interest in seeing the Vulture, Vultress or any Venom-spawn.
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Let the dissapointment come!!!
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Spider-M4n happens no matter what else, Sony's not going to let the rights to one of the most popular superheros of all time revert back to Marvel just because of a disagreement on villains. But I feel like we've already got the best of what Raimi had to say about the character, maybe now it's time to pull a Harry Potter and give it to somebody else with talent. -
Dunst does another wet shirt scene; teasing with her milky white, ginger pink tipped udders is really where her acting starts and stops.
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Spider-Man movies are guaranteed money in the bank. I don't particularly like any of them, but the public sure seems to. They'd be stupid to delay this.
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Who is JGL? I love Zooey but I dont think shed work for MJ. Prob better as Gwen. I picture someone like Megan Fox or Emily Blunt as more fitting for MJ. Still gotta throw my vote for James McAvoy as Peter Parker though I do like someones suggested of Adam Brody.
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I dont want anymore from this franchise. I used to dream about the idea of this series coming back to life, spider man 3 was a disaster in all forms. Leave those to parish or thrive in time, let us have a new stab at spider man, and not within the next 5 years. Let spider man fade so we can truly have a fresh approach. I just REALLY want AVATAR on my eye balls, and for the HOBBIT to not anve a crying emo fuckass in it. THATS IT
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So..that..is news?.. or...
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because I think everyone learned their lessons from the failures of Spider-Man 3. Also, Raimi has now had a break from the franchise, which is important because by the release of Spider-Man 3, he had been working on the same franchise 7-8 years, so I think alot of the problem with SM 3 was fatigue. Now that he's had a break he should be anxious to make the 4th film.
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Please visit IESB they need your help.
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Also, why the hell don't they do The Lizard? Goddamned stupid suits...
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he rebooted SILENT NIGHT, DEADLY NIGHT pretty well.
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the recent "scoop" which says Anne Hathaway was pulling away from the production -- http://twitter.com/MovieScoop If she, or her agent got a sense that the production didn't have its shit together, in one form or another, they probably wouldn't want to be involved, considering her current A-list status...
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It's already been decided. The production will take its expected "holiday break" (which is B.S. anyway, since nearly EVERYONE takes a "holiday break") and we'll hear an announcement early in 2010 that Raimi is leaving due to "creative differences." I'm betting a new director and cast are already being sought, and I'm also betting that SONY is taking Vanderbilt's scripts off the shelf, and seriously considering going straight ahead with them for May 2011 (4)/May 2012 (5).
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If you hated it you probably have average or below average intillect.
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No thanks. Whenever they put numbers into the title, it's over. You know it, I know it, everybody knows it besides studio execs. Oh, it'll make SOME profit, and they'll call that success enough. Anyways...we're all just floating.
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What happened to the Vanderbilt script that people were buzzing about? I would've thought that was complete enough to at least have a defined villain or two. As for everyone saying "the studio pushed Venom, and look how that turned out"... it turned out to make just under $900 million dollars worldwide, so I think its fair to say that "the suits" don't give a shit if the movie is an uneven headscratcher like Spider-man 3 was. But yeah, I still trust Raimi. I like the Golden Age villains, and I think Raimi has a real knack for aerial battles, so Vulture is okay with me. I'd much rather have Lizard, and I'm a sucker for Electro and Mysterio, but that might not translate too strongly.
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STUPID NUMBERS IN WORDS.
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SONY HAVE SOME FUCKING CONTINUITY! these 3 Villains have continuity to the last Movie and SPIDEY 3 left way Too mnay Carrots Dangling the Whole Doc Connors with the venom Symbiote Sample in his LAB, and Black cat could Come in Because we COULD FINALLY HAVE A FUCKING SPIDEY MOVIE WITHOUT THAT HACK DUNST AS MARYJANE! UGH!! SONY RAIMI CONTINUITY PEOPLE!!
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It won't happen though. I like Vulture but Scorpion would rule.
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there's a $500billion profit story right there! copyright by haterofcrap.
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Here is my biggest problem with Spidey 3 besides anything else... well, besides the fact that it was a damn musical and Parker combed his hair weird to showcase he was evil: THE SYMBIOTE IN THE METEOR HAPPENED, COINCIDENTALLY, TO LAND IN CENTRAL PARK NEXT TO PETER. It was just a "coincidence". That was the dumbest thing I've ever seen in a film. They could've made Spidey fighting Sandman or thieves in a museum and gets smashed into a meteor exhibit that the symbiote was inside of or something. Even that'd be better. Ugh. End this series now.
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Dec 17, 2009 6:01:13 PM CST
JESSICA DREW SPIDER WOMAN KICKS PETER PARKER's ASS
by the green gargantua
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as hollywood suit shit. If it aint Kraven it's a loser. I liked the Rhino idea above though. That would fall right in line with a Kraven plot. All of the Spidey movies suffer from BAD WRITING. It's not Raimi. It's not Tobey. It might be Dunst. But really...the closest we get to my friendly neighborhood smartass is in the first film in the cage with Macho Man "...did your husband make it?" Now that was even a shitty line but it was the closest thing to the real Spidey personality. For fucksake the shit has already been written.
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might indicate they're watching the nets to see fan-reaction and gauge accordingly. That's marginally possible.
I still think (given they like to kill their villains in each movie) that Kravens' Last Hunt is the best thing to adapt for the screen. -
Too bad her story is next to impossible to film. Unless of course it begins with Uuatu explains everything that has taken place thus far.
See thats the kind of movie I want to see. These movies need to exist balls deep in the Marvel Universe. -
no body has been fired and everything is coming along smoothly, the villans are vulture, lizard and kraven, the script is on it's last draft and theres a cast read through firt week of the new year..haha WE ARE LAUGHING!
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Could he be like 40? I don't think he needs to be decrepit old like the comics, but if you make him slightly younger, I don't think that'd be as much of a problem. The problem I have is plot. You have an older guy who SUDDENLY decides he doesn't like Spiderman. Like most fans, I prefer the background set up for villain, like Doc Conners. He's been waiting in the wings the last 3 movies. When I first saw him in Spidey movie#1, I was like OMG there he is....and he'll be in a later movie, but ....still nope...unless the studios are pulling the wool over everyone's eyes.
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Oh, and recast Mary Jane already for the love of Stan Lee!
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Because everything is good. All of us here are laughing at you as well.
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Dec 17, 2009 6:34:44 PM CST
Unless Raimi admits that Spider-man 3 was a clusterfuck...
by thedarklinglord
And promises never to let that happen again, I can't say I really give a fuck either way who they use as a villain. I'm just not excited for another Spider-man movie at this point. Anymore than I'm excited for a new X-Men movie. The studios - and, to a degree, the writers/directors involved - have pretty much killed my enthusiasm for these franchises. Instead, I've got my comic geek hard-on going for Iron Man 2 and the next Batman.
That said, I'm actually fine with the Vulture as the main bad guy - provided they ditch the dumbass idea of the Vulturess. Personally, I'd rather see Raimi use Kingpin. Or at least introduce him into the Spider-man universe (along with the real Black Cat), while focusing on characters like Vulture, Scorpion, Mysterio and Electro - and maybe NOT killing them off so we can eventually have an epic Sinister Six sort of confrontation. I'm fine with some of the villains dying, or others being redeemed, but some should stick around to fight another day.
Also, unless they're going for pure, maniacal evil, then they shouldn't cast Malkovich as Vulture. Get Patrick Stewart on board. He's old and bald, but he could easily play a sympathetic villain with a depth of emotion. -
This franchise needs new blood to energize it.
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After the shitfest third movie, where the suits forced Venom to be interjected, shouldn't they learn and just let Raimi do his thing?
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he means the hot dog manufacturing plant in DeMoine that he works at.
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THEIR STORY IS TOLD - MOVE ON. REBOOT IT A LA ULTIMATE SPIDEY WITH A VERY YOUNG PETER, GWEN, MJ, HIP AUNT MAY, KONG, HARRY, ETC. LET BRIAN BENDIS WRITE THE FILM AND HAVE A MORE ROUGH, RAGGED, INDIE FEEL AND DIRECTOR. NEW IDEAS, A FRESH START, BUT NO GOBLIN IN THE FIRST FILM. MAYBE MYSTERIO OR THE KINGPIN.
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as Black Cat would be quite tasty.
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They forced him to use Venom. Look what happened. The studios have no idea about the content of Spider, just money. Jackasses. Let Raimi go with it. I feel he probably learned his lesson with SM3. I have a feeling this could be good.
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They forced him to use Venom. Look what happened. The studios have no idea about the content of Spider, just money. Jackasses. Let Raimi go with it. I feel he probably learned his lesson with SM3. I have a feeling this could be good.
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"Wow, Vulture, a cranky old man with wings in tights! That's HI-LARIOUS! Let's do that!" Sure, Sam, it would be funny in one of your horror or genre comedies, but in a Spidey film ain't no one gonna give a shit. And Drag Me To Hell was a sawdust fart of his old work.
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SM2 was possibly the most overrated, uneven, badly paced pile of shit I've ever seen in my life, debuting a pussy-whipped Peter Parker whose a total wimp in his regular life, but somehow Jesus when puts on the costume (fuck, that subway scene was cringe-inducing). The writing was on the wall as early as SM1 when they couldn't even get the fucking Green Goblin costume right.
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Raimi pretty much blames venom for the film not so much his and his brother's shitty script.
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Fuck that shit already.
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can go through the entire movie without wearing the Spider-Man mask.
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Dec 17, 2009 8:15:06 PM CST
PHANTOM MENACE REVIEW!!!WATCH THIS RIGHT FUCKING NOW!!!
by tehcreepythinman
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FxKtZmQgxrI
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Bring on Spider-Man 4! Maybe they can cast Ann Margaret as Mary Jane.
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if there is absolutely nothing else on
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Tobey Maguire is a stupid choice to play Bilbo for two reasons- first, he's a shitty actor, period, and second, in FOTR, book and movie, it's clearly stated that Bilbo has scarcely aged since obtaining the ring. Granted, many years pass between the riddle-game and Frodo trucking off to Mordor, but why not get Holm back for the role, use makeup and stunt doubles as needed, and not fuck it up for sure by putting a hack like Maguire in the role? If McKellan is reprising his role, the ONLY other person from Jackson's films to reappear should be Holm. He made a damned good older Bilbo; why not a younger one?
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Use what was already set up in the earlier films...Give us Dylan Baker as Curt Connors aka The lizard and Mageina Tovah's Ursula could become the Black Cat...
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"...debuting a pussy-whipped Peter Parker whose a total wimp in his regular life, but somehow Jesus when puts on the costume."
Christ, you've never read a Spider-Man comic in your life, have you? That's the point of the character, he's a pathetic, nerdy outcast in real life who has no social skills, and escapes into a mask where he can fight crime and be a smartass hero. Spider-Man is just as much about Peter Parker's guilt complex and his need to escape his real life as it is his heroics.
And giving it the "Nolan treatment"? Crap, that's just what I was dreading after Dark Knight (which, for the record, I loved.) Not EVERYTHING can be "dark" and "edgy". Well, unless you are an immature hack with no sense of theme or characters who just wants to bounce up and down in his chair watching something that's "kewl". -
That PHANTOM MENACE review is bang on accurate and absolutely hilarious. Man, that film is just looking worse and worse with the passing of time.
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I meant the Jesus comment literally...after he halts the subway car he collapses and (here's where I've gotta cringe) he's carried to safety in a sequence mimicking Christ's "descent from the cross"...after which, everyone in the subway car promises to keep his identity secret...oh, fucking COME ON.
And yeah, I read Spidey rather extensively when I was a kid, back when it was the best comic on the shelf, because it was the only deconstructive hero story going. Sure, he starts out a clueless wimp, but as he becomes more polished as a superhero, he becomes more confident in his personal life. And a crucial element in his maturity is his relationship with Mary Jane, who'd NEVER make him crawl like that bitch Dunst played. If anything, it was always Parker that was letting her down.
Raimi has no sense of subtlety or realism. Like it or not, in the post-TDK era, his movies are shown to be the cartoons they are. And I don't buy that bullshit that he was "forced" to make any of the screw-ups in SM3 by the suits...he overreached, and fell short by a mile. Same as with Lucas. -
seriuosly, cant recall any good part IV's? Rocky and Nightmare were decent and "Rambo" doesnt count. Any REAL good ones?
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I owe you a 3 piece KFC meal for that link...the guy who made that not only knows his shit, but has a brutal sense of humor. Good stuff.
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Thunderball
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Friday the 13th IV and Police Acadamy 4, i guess.
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there's still almost a 3rd of New York that hasn't seen Pete's face
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If you'd never seen Alien 1-3. I guess.
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film is pretty much flawless. Outside of you superficial twats wanting jerk off material outta the actress that plays MJ you people complain about nothing else.
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Terrible, terrible movies. The only reason they work is because Bruce Cambell is awesome and it was basically a one man play.Any other actor in those same movies and no one would remember or care about them now.
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THOSE 3 VILLAINS MAKE THE MOST SENSE TO BE IN THE 4th MOVIE together CONTINUITYWISE AND THEY SELL BOOKS!!
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It lives!
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was riveting, true, but it really hurt the story when we kept seeing Spider-Man out of his mask. It happened far too many times. So much so, that it flattened the movie, let the air right out.
The director HAS to commit to Spider-Man the superhero, not Peter Parker the super-powered teenager. The thrill of the comics was the web-slinger himself, the character, the one with the craziest mask in all comics, with the best costume, the coolest powers (don't forget the web-shooters) - and on top of all that, he's a ball-buster, a smart-ass extroadinaire, one who can walk the walk - and on ceilings too. Raimi missed that in S-M2 by focusing too much on Maguire, even to the point of forcing us to look at Toby even when he was in costume and fighting super-villains.
The greatest mask of all-time, and they were afraid to use it. That's why SM-2 doesn't rate as a classic.
The comics deserve better than that. -
Essentially that build up to the finale with the Sinister Six in Spiderman 6.
Number 4, focus is Lizard and Kraven but maybe have Rhino at the start, opening sequences.
Maybe 5 is about Hobgoblin with a Vulture cameo.
Six of course sees the sinister 6, which would comprise of Hobgoblin, Rhino, Vulture, Electro, Kraven and either someone like Doc Ock who was believed to have died but actually didn't, or someone like Mysterio. -
Dec 18, 2009 2:20:32 AM CST
Alternative for part 5 would be Carnage and Black Cat
by miyamoto_musashi
With maybe Black Cat being part of the Sinister Six instead.
But still have the Vulture cameo, copying Nick Fury in the pre Avenger movies. -
how it should go down! n
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With both Osbournes out of the picture, plus Connors already developed from the previous films you have plenty of room to introduce BOTH Kraven and Black Cat. This is the BEST movie they could make at this point in time.
Easily done: The movie opens with Connors and Parker working on some experiment, the result is Connors full transformation into the lizard. Spiderman and lizard do battle but lizard gets away. Connors Tries to unleash the lizard in crime ridden areas in order to protect innocents from himself. This causes the crime bosses to hire Kraven to find this thing and kill it, But Kraven is competing with Black Cat to hunt this thing down. From t here the movie writes itself.... RAIMI DON'T SCREW IT UP! DON"T DO VULTURE! -
I've been waiting for Dylan Baker to fucking turn into the Lizard for two movies now. He's so well cast it's scary.
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Raimi had three chances and still made Peter Parker films, chances are he might not "get" the character, you know given as I said he has already had 3 goes at getting it right.
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OK, he is a ruthless killer, but against Spider-Man? Make me laugh. In fact, one writer got it right years ago when Vulch is cackling about how he's often defeated Spider-Man in the past and will kill him now. Spidey doesn't look impressed and points out "You know what, Vulch? I've thought about that and realized that every time I've faced you I had a broken arm or a bad cold or ... something. I was badly handicapped. Guess what? I'm fine now and, when all is said, you're just some old guy in a flying suit." POW! One punch and the fight's over. Which is really how it should go.
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Period. No one else. Not even black cat. Don't want to make it too crowded, like SM3.
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Oh yes, do have the Black Cat. If only for the cheesecake factor. It isn't as if Dunst is doing anywhere near the job she should as happy-go-lucky MJ.
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superhero film in 20 years.
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..."I personally can't think of a good story with Vulture, therefore, NOONE CAN!!"
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bootskin nailed it. carnage is a load of bollocks.
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'nuff said.
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He is the only person to take this weak, gay villain and bring new life into it..........or just get the Lizard already Sony!!!!!
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ROFLMAO! I can't get that image out of my mind, now...
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A villian or an aging drag queen? Discuss!
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God damn rumors... Make up your mind already.
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...are that a) it's almost universally thought to be a good idea by fanboys. So Raimi will never do it. b) neither of those characters is a girl that will set up a love triangle. So Sony will never do it.
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Must not have been, because around the time Dr. Octavius fires up his fusion generator in his living room(!), I was laughing my ass off at how fucking stupid it was...
I mean, I'm not going to confuse SPIDERMAN with the Discovery channel, but could they have cracked open even one fucking book on what fusion energy is, and how it works? And, oh, why you might want to demonstrate it in a nice, safe lab instead of showing it off to your yuppie friends in your fashionable loft apartment?
And don't give me that "suspend disbelief" and "it's just a comic book movie" bullshit...an "okay" movie can use that crutch, but not a supposedly "great" one. -
Sympathetic scientist again loses himself, possessed by evil. wreaks havoo and destruction. hangs MJ from yet another fucking precipice, blah blah blah, gets mortally wounded in final confrontation.
"Peter, I weep for my lost humanity!"
Connors dies. He is then buried in the cemetery for mad, somewhat sympathetic scientists, with Ock and Osbourne. Perhaps Connors has a young son who then injects himself with Lizard DNA, preparing for the day he, too, will terroize MJ, and. perhaps, hang her from a precipice or just watch as another hangs her precipice before he has a moment of clarity, preceded by an unlikely bout of amnesia. -
...Hollywood types hate the idea of hiring movie stars and putting them in masks. I guarantee you there was a meeting before Spider-Man 1 came out when some suit said "Does he even need to wear the mask at all? Superman doesn't wear a mask!" and all the other suits in the boardroom nodded their heads in agreement. See also: Judge Dredd.And if they ever make the Deadpool movie expect to see a lot of Ryan Reynolds' pretty face and very little of the mask or tumored up face the character has in the comics.
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I just watched all 7 parts of that Episode one review, it was fantastic. The serial killer stuff was a little distracting, but overall the review was 10 times more entertaining than the actual film.
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Do you even like movies? Because the only thing I've ever seen you doing on here is tearing movies apart. Does it make you feel superior? Or do you just like being a contrarian? Are you one of those guys that hates all of the hometown teams just so you can piss off everyone around you? Sure seems like it.
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The Watcher will come on at the end of Spiderman 3, says it never really happened and we can do venom right this time
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As I've posted before...Wayne Pygram would make the perfect VULTURE and Hathaway, if confirmed, had better be a bleach blonde, tad darker and going by the alias BLACK CAT and NOT some dumb VULTURESS moniker.
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I'm kidding. But seriously. At this point I really don't care any more.
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Spider-Man 3 sucked Na'vi dick. It was horrible. Can't Hollywood exist without another Spidey flick? Fuckin' lame.
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Dec 20, 2009 1:51:47 AM CST
To the legion of you who want Larry David to play Vulture...
by triple_j_72
...How does LARRY DAVID feel about it? Huh??? I'd like to know.
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Daniel Day Lewis as Kraven The Hunter? Maybe in a perfect world that my happen....
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Ice Storm and Ride with the Devil. He should have stuck making movies with Ang. I think he was charming in Spider-Man 1&2, but by 3 the charm wore out. He was boring.
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I would rather cut the eyes out of my face , than watch another spider
turdfest , FFS do something different ...Like a Peter Parker film set in the sixties ... Anything but the usual shit ... *YAWN* -
Oh...And if these bastards don't have the REAL "BLACK CAT" , they can simply go fuck their cuntastical fucktardedness into my G spot , and back again .....!
FELICIA HARDEY LIVES !!!!!!
Fuck the corporate bastards !
Give me a job if you cant do better !
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how do you pronounce that? Is it like t'challa?
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