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SPIDER-MAN 4 Villains & Actors Revealed!?
Merrick here...
Movieline has some interesting SPIDER-MAN 4 casting rumors; they say the following has been confirmed by "sources close to the film".
Their scoops illuminate who Anne Hathaway could be playing in the movie, and reveals how John Malkovich might also enter the mix.
If negotiations proceed according to plan, Malkovich will be playing Spider-Man’s nemesis the Vulture, who packs a punch despite his advanced age. The Vulture is able to fly through the air and brandish his sharp wings to attack Spider-Man.
As for Hathaway? She'd play Felicia Hardy, sort of.
unlike in the comic books, this Felicia Hardy doesn’t transform into the Black Cat. Instead, Raimi’s Felicia will become a brand-new superpowered figure called the Vulturess.
Why no Curt Connors/Lizard? Movieline says:
we hear that the suits simply can’t bring themselves to sign off on such an odd-looking enemy — instead, they’d rather hew closer to villains with a human face.
...reveals the site HERE.
I'm going out on a limb here, but I'll bet Vulture and Vultress are somehow related.
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What?
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Hopefully this is incorrect info.
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You have the Lizard all setup and ready to go Raimi! Get him in the game!
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sounds very very meh to me...I like the anne hathaway casting, is there NOTHING that girl cant do?
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Can I be Electro?
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Other contenders who would be good would be Ben Kingsley or Larry David.
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that sounds bad
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And this time, the movie will be even shittier!
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And i thought that was strong.
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and MUCH more practical? wtf Raimi...i hope to god this isn't as all true.
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In a Vulture style costume? Come on Sam. You have control this time. The suits are going to back off on this one. I hope you know what you are doing.
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I hope Carnage makes an appearance as well!
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he looks like a spitting image; older and creepy looking.
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LARRY DAVID!
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Sir Ben should've been The Vulture.
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I hereby don't believe this.
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Sam *Pilot the Franchise into the Ground* Raimi
Tobey *Old Man* Maguire
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WHAT THE FUCK!?
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Are you kidding me? He looks like he is a retard, and his acting is about on the same par. This will be the death of this movie series.
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It's a PG13 movie, so he'd be at a loss for words. "Whattaya mean I can't call him Spider-cunt? It's hilarious!"
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Apparently, one of my acquaintances had dinner with him around the time of Spider-Man casting and heard Malkovich utter, "There is no fucking way I'm doing that movie." I guess he became a fan of the films, or needs a big paycheck.
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Dec 08, 2009 12:33:17 PM CST
110 minutes of p. parker's life issues, 10 of spiderman.
by haterofcrap
that is the formula for these shit movies. peter parker is the biggest bore in comics/movies.
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A giant man lizard in the sewers is striking terror in New York City. Legendary big game hunter Kraven arrives in NY to bag himself the Lizard. Spider-man realises The Lizard is actually his teacher Dr Curt Connors - gets caught in the middle. Film that.
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Has been a slow year for scoops. Very slow.
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No, just fuck no.
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I'll grant that it's possible that I just haven't read enough Vulture stories since his introductory issue, to appreciate how this will be a step up, or at least a parity, in Spidey's opposition compared to, oh, JUST ABOUT ANYONE ELSE IN HIS ROGUE'S GALLERY! But dang. Vulturess? Taking an established character with a strong romantic history (vs. Mary Jane), who okay couldn't really be expected to hang in ability-wise (BUT REALLY SHE'S THERE FOR THE ROMANCE ASPECT ANYWAY) -- and revising her to be the female version of a lame villain who is already going to be in the movie? Well, maybe she'll be Iron Vulturess, having stolen Stark Tech (instead of Tinkerer tech) or whatever... But still. Fail.
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Vultress? No fucking way. This is shaping up to be twice the abomination that Spider-Man 3 was. They'll probably throw in the Lizard, Vulture, Mysterio and the Rhino just to overcrowd the movie like the last one did. Did these assholes learn nothing from Batman & Robin? ONE villian, ONE hero. Concentrate on those TWO characters and go make the movie.
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. . . that people won't quit doing multiple villains. It rarely works for me and usually just seems to waist time better devoted elsewhere. Unless they were originally written as a TEAM in the comics or one of them is only briefly involved, they need to ditch the multiple villains.
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Three movies worth of building a lizard story line, and we get "Vultress"?
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This sounds even worse than the humming turd that was Spider-Man 3.
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. . . consider me on the "Vulture, seriously?" bandwagon.
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if this was the 1960's
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This cannot be true.
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Malkovich is one of themore acclaimed actors of this generation. He hams it up sometimes, admittedly, but he also can portray characters with nuance and grace. I mean, look at his films the last couple of years... The Great Buck Howard, Color Me Kubrick, and Burn After Reading were all inspired performances.
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"Onward my brave Vulture-Men! Diiive!"
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Come on, Raimi. What happened to you? No Vulturess, please! Just do Lizard or Malkovich Vulture.
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or Kraven hunting Vermin. Or bring in Carnage. Please not multi-multi villian. Vulture could be good, but no f-ing vultress. Anne Hath in the movie in some other capacity could be good.
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No way that shit is real.
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Simple plotlines, cool music and a LOT of Spider-Man vs villian action. The Green Goblin episode "The Witching Hour" has the Goblin raising evil spirits from the dead in a graveyard. He even has a demon posess Jameson at one point. Dark shit for a kids cartoon.
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A semi-hot model lives in the Upper West side, terrorizing the men in her building with her nymphomaniac ways. Legendary porn star Kraven (a hot woman) arrives in NY to bag him some poontang. Spiderman just happens to live in the same building as the model - gets caught in the middle of the sandwich. Oh yeah, and Kraven is played by Scarlett J and Spidey has been recast as Spiderwoman, played by Emily Blunt. And it is being produced by Vivid Video. Film that.
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I'll believe it when I see it
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That's right! I call shenangians on this one! Even IF the "Vulturess" rumor were true, no way would a guy with such reverence for the source material do that to a long-standing character like Felicia Hardy (yes, I know, "But he changed--! And he made--!"). That would be a change WAY too far afield for such a fanboy. And why would Malkovich pass on 1 but sign up for this? Plus, if it WERE Hathaway, you really think the execs would pass up getting her into that Black Cat costume in favor of a bird that eats roadkill? No. Shenanigans, I say.
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Apparently a snooty critic told Raimi SPIDERMAN 3 lacked culture...
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I welcome the Vulture..he's a classic Spiderman villain and member of the original Sinister 6. I agree he would have more personality than a man with a Lizard face and Malkovich would be great in the role.
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I mean Malkovich can do no wrong in full-on villian mode but I was watching The Most Dengerous Game last night and thought a Kraven the Hunter storyline with him hunting Lizard then turning his attention to Spidey could be epic. Who would be a great Kraven?
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...would also not work. But it would be better. Come to think of it, it would be better than having the Vulture at all. *** Better yet, have one of the actresses playing Betty Ross (from either movie) just become the Harpy, trying to find a cure for Banner. That would be... also not good (hijacking her character for a Spider-man movie). But still better.
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the Vulture? A villain who is basically just a half-assed clone of Green Goblin? Why not at least make the villain Rino if you are sticking with original and familiar villains? THAT would be awesome. But adding a second villain, making it "Vulturess" and essentially changing the character who should be Black Cat into this new villain is a sign of doom. Raimi's faith in the original material is why the first couple were so good. But now they are just falling victim to the same traps that have killed every other superhero/comic movie...changing things for no reason at all.
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gay. very very gay
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Possibly the stupidest thing I have ever heard of is having Felicia Hardy being a completely made up character idiotically named "VULTURESS" instead of Black Cat. Stupid and funny. Thanks, Raimi ... maybe I'll see it on NetFlix when and if it comes out. Maybe. Boy is this stupid ... but at least it gave me a good laugh! However, I do think Malkovich as The Vulture is a great idea ... but he did turn down The Green Goblin, so I don't see him taking this part. ...hhaha Vulturess.
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Isn't that Nolan's dept? Reality? Dark and gritty? No room at all for anything that doesn't lend the film a stark patina of real world credibility? Give Spidey the freaking lizard! Although seeing Anne's Hathaways in tights would be nice too. Malkovich makes a pretty good villain, though. You know who'd make a kick-ass Kraven? Ian McShane! God, how ADD is this comment? Too much coffee.
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But Vulture appeared months before Green Goblin. If anything, Green Goblin would be a clone of Vulture (by your theory)
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Here I come down the chimney to kick you in the f'ing balls! You suck! The vulturess?! seriously?! This bit of news better be an early April fool's joke! What the hell is wrong with following the ALREADY EXISTING CONTENT AS IS?! oh I have an idea lets line up "the suits" kick them all in the balls too and then execute them!
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Dec 08, 2009 12:52:29 PM CST
My initial reaction on reading this news was to suppress laughte
by brokentusk
The Vulture and The Vulturess.
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That's like giving the Joker "warpaint" rather than having his skin turned chemically white by an unfortunate dip at a chemical plant.
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I guess Lizardness sounded too funny for him, the real reason why they didn't go with Dr. Connors.
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Dec 08, 2009 12:53:32 PM CST
good...now i wonder how spidey's mask is going to come off in th
by krod
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I hate internet abbreviations and text lingo, but I gotta say, LO-freaking-L.
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EDIT BUTTON 2009.
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Organic webshooters didn't bother me... the design of The Green Goblin was annoying and goofy, but it wasn't a deal killer.... shoe-horning Venom into Part 3 therefore cutting time from Sandman's story arc was fking distracting, but this takes the cake! Especially with doing a Frankenstein job on The Black Cat. And what about The Lizard and Mysterio (the fans want Bruce Campbell goddamnit) who are all set-up and ready to go! But John Malkovich as The Vulture is fcking awesome, especially if it's angry John Malkovich, talking shit and being all high and mighty.
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Spidey has a shitload of antagonist in the funny books from the rhino to paste pot pete, yet the best they can come up with is some shit they created in a meeting?
The Vultress? Really?
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SWEET MERCIFUL CHRIST. CAN'T YOU FUCKING WATERHEADS GET ANYTHING RIGHT?! WHEN WILL YOU STOP RAPING MARVEL IP'S FOR EVERY NUGGET FROM SALIVATING FANBOYS WHEN YOU DESTROY THE VERY THING WE LOVE THROUGH BASTARDIZATIONS LIKE THIS? "THE VULTURESS"? ARE YOU FUCKING KIDDING ME? _ARE_ _YOU_ _FUCKING_ _KIDDING_ _ME_?
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Would've been cool as shit. Imagine Sam bringing a horror element with a sense of humor to the franchise. Much more interesting than the Vultress.
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and should stick to numbers..not the creative process. Do you know how many new fans and kids would be drawn in by the spectacle of a big ole' green lizard man? Check out the Star Wars box office numbers if you doubt the drawing power of weird creatures.
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maybe burger king will give us a double decker chicken sandwich called "the vultures"for the record: Even spiderman 2 sucked.
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Dec 08, 2009 1:01:45 PM CST
anything short of a complete reboot is a FAIL anyway...
by jackknifed_juggernaut
so they could cast Reginald VelJohnson as Paste-Pot-Pete and it wouldn't make much difference. SM3 gave this franchise a proper ass-fucking into oblivion. there is no return, "Vultress" be damned.
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...expect 'Transformers 2' sort of quality.Dead franchise, count me out.
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Well as long as she has the same neckline as the Black Cat.
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Dec 08, 2009 1:05:08 PM CST
Sounds terrible. Vulture is a lame villain. RighteousBrother got
by jkrow21
Lizard & Kraven....
by RighteousBrother Dec 8th, 2009
12:33:28 PM
A giant man lizard in the sewers is striking terror in New York City. Legendary big game hunter Kraven arrives in NY to bag himself the Lizard. Spider-man realises The Lizard is actually his teacher Dr Curt Connors - gets caught in the middle. Film that -
there's a chance of some Vulturess side bewb
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Dec 08, 2009 1:06:20 PM CST
If this is true, it is the FUCKING END of Spider-Man!
by revenge_of_fett
FAIL FAIL FAIL FAIL! Why in THE FUCK would you have Felicia Hardy....and not have her BE Felicia Hardy? Why use that name? It makes ZERO SENSE!If Raimi is absolutely intent on using the dopiest characters in Spider-Man lore, then yes, by all means, use The Vulture! Not using The Lizard because it doesn't have a human face is quite possibly the stupidest thing I've ever heard in connection with these films, and that includes emo hair and disco dancing!
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They worried about how the lizard looks, but they had a pile of sand blowing all over the last movie?
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but I'd still lick Anne Hathaway's asshole like it was a lollypop.
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Im done dining at the the Spider-man Diner
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He picks the old guy in the fucking TURKEY COSTUME????
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Spider-Man vs. CONDORMAN! Aye corumba!
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Make it Happen Raimi.......NOWWWWWWWWW!
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If this information is real...Marvel needs to do everything it can to get back the rights to the Spider-Man franchise. Although I like the idea of John Malkovich playing the Vulture, it doesn't make sense to introduce this character when an entirely different story arc has been festering with the Doc Connors character. Their reason not to use the Lizard is ignorant, and irresponsible to the on-going saga of the Spider-Man character as used in film series. There is a story developing there and they are choosing to ignore it? A story they know fans want to see? That's not only a sad mishandling of the characters but also bad for business.
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or standing on the side walk, or running, or jumping — does he have a human face? Or is he wearing a FUCKING MASK?
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He was born for the role.
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The Vulture is LAME AS FUCK!
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Oh fuck, not since Grando Calrissian have I laughed at something so dumb.
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Epic fucking fail on all levels. They should ride the vampire wave and have Morpheus as the Villain.
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I never pictured the Vulture as effeminate
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And everyone went, BRILLIANT idea! He LOOKS like the Green Goblin! Add some pointy ears and makeup and it's perfect! Then they covered what is essentially the perfect Green Goblin face with A FUCKING PLASTIC HELMET! Yeah, This series has fucked things up from day one.
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He's a fucking giant lizard. We've seen a million monsters in the movies at this point. I don't think audiences can grasp the concept.
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Has always been overrated in my eyes. Knockaround Guys is unwatchable thanks to his performance. Also, why use Black Cat if she isn't going to be Black Cat? I really hope this isn't true.
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That's like taking Catwoman and making her Ra's al GAL! Get it? Oy...
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reserving right to see it if reviews are off the chart good...but otherwise Not interested reboot please....
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That picked vulture, not Raimi. And that's even if this not even half baked story is true. FUCK THE SUITS AT SONY AND FOX! FUCK THEM ALL!
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Since you're obviously going all out to ruin what's left of the franchise after you inflicted that piss-poor version of Venom on us, why not have a go at Electro?You know, skinny bloke in green spandex with a rather snazzy yellow lightning mask? Yeah, that'd work! Oh, and let's have another 'bad Peter boogie' bit whie you're at it. And lots more of that fucking awful Dunst woman, too.Can't fucking wait...
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She's a better actress. She even elevated "The Timetraveler's Wife" from a high concept Lifetime movie with her acting. But then again, if she is going to be "The Vultress" instead of "Black Cat", she is probably better off from this potential "Spiderman & Robin" in the making.
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Could you imagine how wicked it would have looked to see W.Dafoe in green scaly makeup flying around NY city? Why go for a helmet?
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"fly through the air and brandish his sharp wings to attack Spider-Man."
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But Raimi doesn't get a pass this time- he's choosing to make these movies, nobody has a gun to his head. Fuck Raimi AND the suits.
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Dec 08, 2009 1:18:50 PM CST
WHO FUCKING CARES? SM 3 KILLED MY INTEREST IN THIS SERIES!!!
by tehcreepythinman
They would have been better off replacing Raimi and getting someone to do 3 and 4 back to back with the symbiote/Venom storyline carrying through along with Sandman/Lizard being the secondary villains of each movie.
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She's a natural red head, and no one cares about Kirsten anymore. She could be recast and no one would cry about it.
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Please confirm whether the Vultress rumours are true or not and quick. We all know someone high up in the production is reading these posts right now.
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Spiderman 4 = Superman 4
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They could recast Dunst with a tin of pilchards and no-one would notice a drop in acting quality.
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... if they are going to force shit upon him. It should be his way or the highway. Great point.
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Serious. She's so fucking haggard looking. And her breasts sag too much for a woman her age. She is not cute anymore. Also, Tobey isn't exempt either. He was chubby in SM3. It's like he didn't care about training, and really didn't even TRY to make it seem like he was wearing the suit in the action scenes. Every he pulled off his mask I spied a double chin. Not cool. If you are going to make 15 million for a fucking movie, go lift some fucking weights.
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At least you're going with the bird metaphor.
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Unless it's their intention to make a movie that's even WORSE than Spider-Man 3.
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She would be perfect. Mary Jane is intended to be a red-haired bombshell. Someone completely out of Parker's league. Not the Kirsten Dunst girl-next-door (literally). I like Dunst in some things but MJ was miscast from the beginning. Hell, Bryce Dallas was hotter in SM3.
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You're done. PLEASE step aside and let someone who hasn't burned out a chance.
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I would.You would too.
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...and there'd be double trouble in the skies (marketing guys love rhyming). The 4th movie is going to remove all romantic subplots and become a buddy pic. Spidey has keep his new best friend, Howard the Duck, safe from the pair of predators with plumage! I'm totally in so long as Raimi gets Lucas to help him co-script.
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Dec 08, 2009 1:26:51 PM CST
what if the animators promised to work in a tear or two
by jackknifed_juggernaut
for the Lizard? would he work then? what if they have him hold MJ hostage by film's end? would he jibe with the franchise's established theme then!?
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And for 2 hrs, Peter Parker is swinging around NY with a boner, distracting villains from their plots and mayhem.
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The Vulture was a cool character (fucking 30 years ago) However, It would be interesting to see Malkovich ham it up with a pair of man size wings.
This Vultress bullshit is really pissing me off.
Bring back Bruce Campbell, cast him as Mysterio or Paste pot pete aka Trapster.
Bring in the Lizard.
Introduce the Black Cat and get rid of Mary J. Send her to Metropolis, Superman apparently loves annoying ass chicks.
Thinking back on the Spider-man franchise
Mary Jane messed around with Flash Thompson, Harry Osbourne, John Jameson then Peter Parker. I think Doc Ock gotta piece of that as well. z
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Really? Oh dear...
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hahaha. I'm still fucking gobsmacked it's still going after 3 and i dont see why anyone would call bullshit on these villains. after Sandman, i mean... did anyone buy into that shit??
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Im sorry to hear that they are going to begin making up super heroes. I wish they wouldn't. This hasn't bowed well for other super hero projects. Arrg! When will they friggin learn?
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With matchng accessories. They also hold very good swingers parties, so I hear.Personally, I think Anne Hathaway would be better served as Harley Quinn in Batman 3, with that uber-ginormous, planet eating,scary but sexy mouth of hers (surely, along with The Great Wall of China, the only non-landscape object to be seen from space). And I could do without seeing that mopey-faced snaggletooth Kirsten Dunst again. Spider-man should grow a pair and stop being a doormat. Preferably without donning a black suit, marching down the street like a stunted dwarf on viagra, dancing to jazz tunes, and making a clown of himself. Thanks for that, Raimi.
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APRIL BOWLBY FOR MARY JANE! I can, and would, get behind that!
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I mean we got Paintball Goblin, I mean "New Goblin" in 3, so him screwin around again wouldn't be a stretch. 3 killed this series creatively, now they're cremating it. Can't wait for the reboot with April Bowlby as Mary Jane and Adrianne Palicki as Gwen Stacy fast enough.
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if it wasn't bad enough that Spiderman 2 and 3 sucked, course i didn't think they could fuck Spiderman up any more than they did in 3, here they are proving me WRONG. look, i love Spiderman, and I don't mean the movies, I mean Spidey the character, the comics. The first movie was bad enough as it was, but at least I could watch it, 2 stunk, and 3 was just a horribly effin' nightmare of a travesty that is Marvel/Raimi. Quit taking artistic license with these iconic characters and FOLLOW THE FUCKIN HISTORY!! It's OK to change some stuff here and there, tweak things, but you have to stay true to the cores... they are bastardizing everything about Spidey, and it seems like no one even cares. Stan Lee should be beat within an inch of his life, brought back to health, and have it done again, over and over for pimping out his characters. I can't even believe they could stoop low enough, as to completely change a character like Felicia Hardy-Black Cat, and now SUPPOSEDLY the Vultress.... UN-FUCKING-BELIEVABLE. and i HATE Kirsten Dunst as Mary Jane. PERIOD.
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There is only one actress born to play Harley Quinn...All Hail Katee Sackhoff!
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Cause those sound like specious reasons to me...as in if this is studio released...obviously disinformation and if not...I'd call 100% bullshit. If they don't use Dylan Baker and Lizard as at least one villain (and yes, more than one villain sounds stupid unless it's the Kraven hunting the Lizard in NY notion many have mentioned) then count me as not remotely excited about Raimi's possibly *not* doing what he ended up doing on SM3 once the "suits" got involved...this will likely be SM3 redux if we get Vulture and Vultress as the main badies...perhaps without the dance number tho....which can't be all that bad if you think about it.
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make them uni-sex / metro-sexual
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...you'll be hearing if this is true will be the evaporating last reserve of credibility Raimi managed to accrue after Drag Me To Hell.
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"get behind that" haha I got a nasty mind. And Dickus, have you ever heard of The Last Sentinel? It was some dtv fliq with Sackhoff and Don the Dragon Wilson, you see her bathing herself, but no nip shot or anything.
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Aerial shots, baby - yeeeaaahh! Great villain - very cinematic. Terrific choice. Weird about Lizard being too out there, tho - they invested a lot into a black symbiote last time round...
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No Lizard? Again? Instead we get Vulture (a boring character even in the comics) and some made up bullshit "Vulturess"? Count me the fuck OUT! Not remotely interested, will not even pay for this shit! Fix it or fuck off!
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It will be a total train wreck. Nolan raised the bar for all comic book movies with TDK and after the last outing of Spiderman it's going to be hard to get people back into those seats again especially casting a weak villain like The Vulture. Terrible terrible choice if true.
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and have Dylan Baker play him. So what if you can't see his face? Dr. Connors has been a part of the previous three films. They would not have included him if they weren't going to do something with him.
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otherwise we need to pass this off to a new director. I would start this movie with Peter Parker telling Nick Fury, thanks but no thanks.
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If Christina Hendricks is in SPIDERMAN 4 I will pay to go see it. If not I won't.
Census taking studio marketeers - I know you're reading this - take that message to your corporate masters.
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Dec 08, 2009 1:39:49 PM CST
Hmnnn I can't really picture Malkovitch at a superhero flick
by ricarleite2
He is still not quite there yet, his carreer is not a complete disaster yet. Now DeNiro, HIS carreer is fucking over to the point of signing to do this shit.
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that ANYONE could be stupid enough to turn Felicia Hardy into a Vultress or whatever the fuck else they want to call her. She's the Black Cat...that's it. She's pure sex and if they fuck that simple bit of Spider-Man lore up, I won't see this. No thanks. Hathway would be great, as she's not only beautiful, she's got real acting chops. But, no Black cat...no sale.
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Look at this
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And the movies have become abortions in their own right. Anne Hathaway as anyone other than The Black Cat, FFS, NFW shape or form.LICK MINE MARVEL!
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First of, Vulture isnt a big enough villian to carry the whole movie and second, Vultress, SERIOUSY!!!!! if your going to do something SO STUPID! do not make her an already existing character*Felecia Hardy* so, so stupid!.
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And as anyone that watched the HITCHHIKER'S movie knows, Malkovitch absolutely sucks in genre projects. FAIL TIMES INFINITY.
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Dec 08, 2009 1:43:49 PM CST
The idea of two more Rimi/McGuire/Dunst SM movies sickens me
by zombieheathledger
Raimi has lost the flame. McGuire is in his 40's (!) and Dunst shit on all the fans in her post SM3 interviews because she didn't think she was coming back.
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A giant reptile is somehow odder than an old bald man in a vulture outfit?
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Or something similar, was what went through my mind. With an unhappy face emoticon. The part about executives being uncomfortable with the Lizard's face/head. Very unfortunate to me, if so. When Venom first talked to Sandman in Spider-Man 3, I wished the costume had not melted off his face while he spoke. I wonder if that's related to this attitude.
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Dec 08, 2009 1:45:21 PM CST
Love Spidey...but there have been missteps from the beginning
by codecrackx15
Topher Grace would have made a better Peter Parker from the very beginning.
The Goblin outfit was just bad in the first one.
I had no issues with part 2, it was the best in the series and it worked.
Part 3 was just a mess. More than one villain is always a mistake. Venom didn't come off very well at all, Sandman's story started out as the main story and then became some sort of side story that was never even completed... the whole movie just didn't work.
The dancing part and the emo haircut in part 3 just made me cringe....
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Are you sure? I mean, how can one woman be plastic and wooden at the same time?
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Have you thought about her with Chelsea smile? You know a Joker devotee wouldn't be complete without one.
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They went with an actress, not a Skank.
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Could be cool! And Christina Hendricks as MJ? Might be too hot for the 12-18 year old set. Hell, that'd be too hot for the 18 to 45 set.
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is because they don't want to have the big bad villain of a multi-million dollar blockbuster be Dylan Baker. Sure, they could recast it but it would be weird that Doc Connors is completely different. Rather then promote Baker to a leading role they'd rather cast a bigger name and pretty face.
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That's a deliciously fucked-up mental picture, dude...
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It's so simple it's idiotic. On one hand, you have the Lizard. On the other, you have Kraven. So you've got your monster, and your beefcake villain. And I like the idea of Gerard Butler as Kraven. That works for me. He'd probably be into it, too. I mean, the Vulture? An old guy who can fly. How is he even going to be a threat to Spidey?
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Dec 08, 2009 1:49:39 PM CST
HOW ABOUT A VILLAIN CALLED THE COCKROACH PLAYED BY ROB SCHNEIDER
by tehcreepythinman
It IS New York afterall.
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This makes JettL93's Batman scoops seem legit. Are we supposed to believe that Dylan Baker has been playing Dr. Connors with one arm just for fun? And that Anne Hathaway actually signed up to put on a buzzard-themed costume? Or that Malkovich is going to attempt to out-scene-chew Dafoe? Why not cast Nic Cage as Mysterio (Oh god not the crystal ball filled with bees!) and Brad Douriff as Electro and have everyone either screaming or crying in every scene? Screw it, just send in the clones, couldn't be any worse an idea. -
Rumor! Our it's going to be Crap
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they already fucked the shit out of Spidey from day one. They took Felicia Hardy, Gwen Stacy and Mary Jane, and wrapped all 3 into one character they called Mary Jane Watson. Hell, Spiderman started dying with the second movie. I know a lot of you liked 2, but really look at it... it SUCKED, holy fuck, they showed everyone Spiderman with his mask off, several times, jesus, Raimi and all of 'em fucking blow...... I couldn't be more pissed at how they effed up a character more., although the "Wolverine" movie was every bit as bad as that 3rd fuckin disaster of a Spidey movie. I can't believe how bad they screwed Logan..... ten years ago they started making pretty damn good super hero movies, but somehow, they have regressed. these are worse than the shit they gave us in the '70s and '80s.... I am so ashamed for these characters... How can they give us Ironman, and give us total shit like Spiderman 3, Wolverine and Spiderman 2 (I realize some came before Ironman, but X-Men was better than these by far, also).... Utterly disgusted
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"Listen. You. Spider. Man. If you think. That I. Would just. Give. Up. Then you. Are sadly. Mistaken. Get thee back. Little. Freak. And witness. The. POWER OF MY AVENGING WINGS!
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Ian McShane! Can be menacing with a mustache, which is not always an easy feat. Or, if they want to go younger, Josh Brolin. I could even see The Rock in the role, but only as a more comedic B-Story version (like Kraven from the early issues of Ultimate Spider-man). A guy who looks bad-ass, and talks a good game, but in reality is little more than a buff tv host.
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Nothing beats "The Terror" from The Tick. I think he beat up Teddy Roosevelt.
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Hollywood didn't have any compunction against a character changing his entire race and re-casting Bill Dee Williams with Tommy Lee Jones in Batman, so why would they start using common sense or be concerned with continuity now?
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Dec 08, 2009 1:54:58 PM CST
KIRSTEN DUNST IS A UGLY PASTY FUCKING TROLL!!!FACT!!!
by tehcreepythinman
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Why should the 4th be any different? Green Goblin's primary goal was to stop a fucking corporate merger (thrilling stuff there). Doc Ock's was to conduct a cocksucking science experiment (gets a partial pass since he embraced neferious means to accomplish it). Sandman was a weepy deadbeat dad, Venom was so criminally underdeveloped I don't know what his fuckin motivation was, and Hobgoblin's arc was half-assed melodramatic crap. If ever there was a series in need of fresh blood and a complete reboot, it's this clusterfuck.
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Forget Spider-Man, just cast her in a documentary about the elastic stress limits of incredibly sheer lace fabric and I'll personally ensure it beats the Twilight weekend box office. Are you listening, Philbrick? What we're saying is that we want to see more of Christina Hendricks, tell your taskmasters to make it happen. -
It's been 3 fucking movies! Fuck this piece of shit film up its fucking arse.
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I'd like to see Woody Harrelson kiq Tobey's a$$. They can kill Mary Jane and also the guy with the rules in zombieland (forgot his name) and Little Rock, man those characters in these franchises bug me.
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I know I'm supposed to suspend belief in movies such as these, but the Vulture? A guy who has wings on his arms? It isn't possible to fly like that. I know, I tried it when I was about 8 years old. Trust me, it ends with a long fall and lots of pain.
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The Vulture is the worst villain ever..almost as bad as fucking Rhino. The Lizard HAS GOT to be in there...
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Bill Murray's last words to Woody (in a retcon) could've been "it was Spider-man that killed your boy." "THAT WALL-CRAWLING MOTHERFUQER KILLED MY PUP? RAAAAAAAAAAHHHH!!!!!!!" It'd be better than 1 and 3, EASILY.
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and take tody and dunst with with him.
vulture and vultress?!!
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Then we can wait a decade, blow the whole thing up, and start over.
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That's just silly. And CTM is 100% correct- Dunst is a fucking troll. Hendricks married a real life Peter Parker, she's PERFECT for the role.
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Dec 08, 2009 2:03:54 PM CST
LITTLE ROCK COULD BITCH SLAP MAGUIRES PANSY PETER PARKER!!!FACT!
by tehcreepythinman
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Dec 08, 2009 2:05:31 PM CST
CAST MAGUIRE'S WIFE AS A VILLAIN CALLED THE FUCKING PIG!!!
by tehcreepythinman
Beacuse her pussy ain't kosher!
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Pairing that with the notion that Felicia Hardy would be said "Vulturess" only strengthens my disbelief. However, I then remember that Raimi was perfectly ok with making Sandman Ben Parker's real killer; a move that completely negates the core element of Spidey's origin and the meaning behind "with great power comes great responsibility". After that, it's all downhill anyway.
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Count me out. The Vulture? Really? Why not just bring back Ock or Goblin....happens all the time in comics....this movie will suck my shaved testicles if this rumor is true
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Dec 08, 2009 2:07:09 PM CST
IN NEW YORK I'M SURPRISED DUNST ISN'T MISTAKEN FOR A CHUD!!!
by tehcreepythinman
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look, it doesn't matter what "hot" actress blah blah fucking blah you use.... if it doesn't have as tory, or a core to it, it won't matter it will SUCK. I really hope this is total bullshit, but it wouldn't suprise me to be true. oh, and Topher Grace as Eddie Brock/Venow was fine... it was Venom that sucked.... quite relying on CG, do it live as much as HUMANLY possible. and Tobey Mcguire as Peter Parker/Spidey isn't bad either, but hell, he even takes a back seat to most of the shit going on in his(Spideys) own movie. Gerard Butler would be a PERFECT Kraven, leave Doc Connors as he has been and bring on the Lizard. I'll take the two villains of Lizard and Kraven, but you have got to do it right and do it justice. Oh, and sorry, Megan Fox is NOT all that, sorry, but she just isn't, doesn't matter how hot YOU ALL think she is, it can't help her act, and that's what we need, not a vapid, wooden, blank expressioned "actress".
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Josh Brolin as Kraven? Now THAT'S something I could get into. If it's handled correctly. First, gotta ditch the fur boa and give him a reasonable costume - more bounty hunter than big game hunter. Then, DESTROY Spider-Man's life. I mean spend the first half of the movie tearing him down. Then send Kraven after him and have the entire city cheering for Kraven. Really strip the movie down...give it The Dark Knight treatment. Only, at the end, is it revealed who's pulling the strings behind framing Spidey (for something or other) and sending Kraven after him. The Kinpin would make sense. THAT is something I'd go see.
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Bladder with a strap-on that wasn’t greased properly for the dirty old cunt!
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How does this rumour fit with the one about Felicia Hardy being the daughter of the new Bugle owner, a so-called "Viper", who takes revenge against Spider-man when something happens to her father?http://tinyurl.com/spidey4
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...I can't see her paired up with Tobey McGuire. She's WAY too much woman for him. He'd be like a little boy next to her.
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that would be gnarly.
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it just cant be believed
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This better just be a rumour or heads will roll. Spider-Man 1 & 2 were great but Raimi should have left it there and handed over the reigns to someone else. He already fucked with me once. A second bad sequel featuring one of my favorite comic heroes and Raimi will need to pull some Evil Dead shit out of the hat for me to ever believe in him again as a credible director.
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She'll be the Penguin's daughter instead. Penguinette. And she'll be ugly.
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Have you seen her husband in real life? It's the hardware store nerd from Garden State. Tobey Mcguire looks like Clooney next to that guy.
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sure,i loved BEING JOHN MALCOVICH-and the GREAT BUCK HOWARDbut I can't stand the guy.I NEVER understood the priase for him.He seems like such a lazy actor.(he always seems to be himself in every movie,-and I can't stand his weird dailogue delivery )
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Vultress! Fucking Vultress! Best shit name ever! Not that I'd watch this after they ruined Venom in the last one but still nice of them to give me a good laugh
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Steve Buschemi should be the Vulture.
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Anything is better then some fucking douchebag homo dressed as a vulture. What is his strategy? Wait until Spider-man is killed and pick over the remains?
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F*CK HOLLYWOOD!!! F*CKING WITH OUR MYTHOLOGY - REWRITE THE BIBLE WHILE YOU"RE AT IT YOU PRICKS!!!!
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Kill yourself.
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as Kraven the Hunter! THEN,WE HAVE A FUCKING MOVIE. Or go back to Kingsley.yes-he's fucking old-BUT DID you see Sexy Beast? He was bad-ass!Plus, he's a GOOD ACTOR!
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That actually sounds like a good premise for a story - examine how people lose empathy for a person once they no longer see them with a human face. Certainly a problem spiderman himself has overcome, but how well do others fare?
As for villians rumored - it's the story they are used in that matters, not the name. Venom is proof that you can't judge how well a movie will work just by the name of the antagonist. -
GOD I FUCKING HATE HOLLYWOOD! You got a horror director and you go No we don't want the Lizard because we want a human face. We want the Vultress. FUCKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKK UUUUUUUUU suits!!!!!
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http://tinyurl.com/yjccsag Dude makes Tobey look like George Clooney
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Sorry, just wanted to plant another lovely mental picture in my head.
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Lizard's got two eyes too, close enough? It's so perfectly set up too. Glad to hear they may be making up a villain for this one, movies don't always need to stick to comic books.
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FUCK YOU IN THE ASS
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Dec 08, 2009 2:23:27 PM CST
HENDRICK'S MARRED SOME 7-11 CLERK/CAB DRIVING FAGGOT!!
by tehcreepythinman
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Yackbacker, her left tit looks like it weighs more than that skinny fruit.
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Unless we're to believe that the suits found Willem Dafoe, Alfred Molina, Thomas Haden Church and Topher Grace to be major box-office draws. The one nice thing about the Spider-man movies is that they haven't succumbed to stunt casting before.
The Lizard/Spidey/Kraven throwdown, which has been suggested repeatedly since at least Spider-man 2, easily makes the most sense. Naturally, they won't do it... but I pray that they won't do what's suggested in that rumor above either. Yikes. -
Hendricks married the "Snozzberries" kid. The snozzberries currently taste like bitter tears and injustice.
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FUCK YOU! You bag of assholes-have you lost so much touch with what fans want-that you would SERIOUSLY consider insulting us with Malkovich and some other lame-ass vultress shenanigans?? If so, get back in touch, give us the LIZARD-make it VIOLENT, cast Dylan once again,make the lzard the B villian and throw in ONE MORE VILLIAN a (kraven, mysterio or the vulture work)-but cast a GOOD fucking actor
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Could totally fill a movie and destroy the hackish Marco Sandman redemption story. Shield better sure as hell show up in this thing.
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Wow wow wooie. Although it would be a total mismatch with Maguire, who I really like as Parker.
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suggestion of Brolin as Kraven in an earlier TB around here. Can't remember who it was who suggested it but when I read it I too thought it was a great idea. Kudos to them. MattmanReturns, I hear in the next Superman movie, Lois Lane is going to be Lex Luthor in drag. It will be a complex love him/hate him role to play opposite Superman, There will be numerous scenes of the actor (or actress, as a cross-gender character really opens up casting options) arguing with himself in a mirror.
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Can't have a comic movie without unmasking everyone in it right?!?!?
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Dec 08, 2009 2:28:10 PM CST
MRS. MAGUIRE AS THE FUCKING PIG!!! SPIDER-MAN 4 SQUEAL OF DEATH!
by tehcreepythinman
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What the hell is wrong with John Malkovich? Fuck Ya'll.
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There's no way in hell someone would be stupid enough to make Felicia Hardy the "Vulturess." That would just be inviting an geek/internet backlash of epic proportions. This source either misheard something or he's full of shit. It's just too dumb to be true.
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FUCK YOU HOLLYWOOD! should replace "Have a nice day" bumper stickers. Get yours today.
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Sam Raimi has always been respectful of the old school Spider-man villains in his films (although Harry should have been in the original Goblin suit for a total Parker mindfuck), so I can't see him changing Felicia Hardy from The Black Cat to the Vulturess. I say it's misinformation or a bullshit source.
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Vulturess? Bad. Why bother naming the character Felicia Hardy? This shit drives me nuts.
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Dec 08, 2009 2:32:19 PM CST
Felicia Hardy as anyone BUT Black Cat is JUST WRONG... this bett
by blhotz
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Dec 08, 2009 2:34:10 PM CST
HERE PIGGY PIGGY, WE'RE JUST GONNA SMASH YOUR LITTLE HEAD IN AND
by tehcreepythinman
You don't have to worry about the bomb no more.
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Maybe if they quit needlessly killing villians in superhero movies they could occasionally bring back an archnemesis or something.
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It seems to dovetail perfectly with this new rumor. It sounds like they are just rehashing the Goblin story except with The Vulture and Felicia. EL LAME-O!
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what a pile of wank
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WHY GOD?! WHY???!!
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...and now I just couldn't give two fucks up a cat's ass over this franchise anymore. Sad, really.
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I said if it Features the Vulture Im not Going to see it. Point Blank The Vulture is one of the Lamest ass Villains in the Marvel Universe, right next to stilt man. Raimi's a Fucking Idiot.
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Smallville's Lex Luthor, Michael Rosenbaum would be perfect, re: Sorority Boys.
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Is just a little too old?
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Dec 08, 2009 2:42:36 PM CST
SPIDER-MAN VS. THE SPASTIC - PLAYED BY MICHAEL J. FOX!!!
by tehcreepythinman
His power is the ability to shake out of Parker's webs!!!
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Mid 50's I guess he's not as old as I thought.
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Because it would be a good one. This sounds sucky. Not going with Connors, and keeping the guy who has played him in the previous movies (because I love that guy) is a big mistake. Give that dude a chance to kick some ass for once in his career. I'll bet you money he wouldn't let us down.
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but he wouldn't be able to carry the movie. A Rhino/Electro movie on the other hand would be great.
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Just because some dumb ass wants it to be true dosen't make it so. The Vulture isn't that bad of an idea, Vultress? I don't see that being even remotely possible. Didn't the Vulture take away peoples youth as a power? In the 1990's cartoon series he did.
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It was dumb there too.
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Now all you assholes will have something genuine to complain and bitch about instead of expending all that misplaced energy on Avatar!
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And that's why you're not getting the Lizard. This is your fault AICN, YOUR FUCKING FAULT!!!
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Is one of the hottest women of all time(seriously, google search her fine red headed ass and take in the glory of her screen caps from 2 1/2 men.) Physically, she is a PERFECT match for MJ. I don't know how good of an actress she is though, she's new to the scene, even still I would prefer her to Kirsten. She is friggin beautiful, gorgeous, stunning etc.
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You heard me, great! He is cunning, ruthless and plots, and best of all he represents the opposite of Parker: youth vs age, enthusiasm vs. Experience. The only problem is that he works best in early Spidey stories when Peter is still you young and inexperienced. Raimi, you are FUCKING two movies too late to use him.
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From The Drew Carey show were cast as villians on The Adventures of Lois and Clark. Okay, not that bad. But The Vultress? Seriously? What a waste of a perfectly fine Anne Hathaway.
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You die from natural causes while in traffic.
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Vulture and Vulturess? WHAT THE FUCK? So VENOM is fucking okay? But The Lizard isn't? Did Raimi lose his balls? WHAT THE FUCK! THIS HAS ME SO FUCKING MAD.
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In part V as a set up for the sinister six?
Ah, fuck this. This series has been fucked from day 1 when they decided to start the series with Spidey's most important story, a bastardized version of The Day Gwen Stacy died. -
trust me. Pure and simple trash AICN are printing because it's a slow news day and we've only just had an Avatar story (and can't have another one for at least 10minutes)
When Spidey 4 is released (and no I don't believe Raimi can save it from the black hole that was 3, whilst in the crowd that thought 1&2 were great), please save this article to show what trash hungry for traffic movie sites will post. -
Just like Scarecrow in The Dark Knight. Hopefully there will be a more serious threat than vulture(s). I remember someone posted on another spiderman tb that vulture would've been a "perfect" villain earlier in the series; youth and powerful yet inexperienced Peter vs. Old yet graceful and experienced Vulture. It sounds good on paper, but let's face it; after an iconic Joker and fuqing up Venom you need a more powerful AND popular villain. My Meadowechlorians (read: friends) here keep saying Carnage or even Mysterio, personally idk which they can use as long as they're not lame like pretty much all the villains in spiderman movies have been, except for Venom, Doc Ock, and to a lesser extent "New" Goblin.
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I'm just suggesting.
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After 3 movies, I won't pay for anything less.
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It felt like I was watching an episode of the Power Rangers. Had to put that out there.
Every-time the Goblin spoke, his head bobbed up and down because of that helmet he wore ( Damn, I wished that was make-up.)
Spidey wears a mask, you would think you could at least see his mandible move when he spoke.
The whole Lizard fiasco is bullshit, Raimi need to grow a pair and tell those suits to fuck-off because Nolan raised the bar with Two-face. If that make-up job could get pass an audience without offending anybody, I'm quite sure the lizard could as well. -
and if you're going to have Felicia Hardy in it, have her as the black cat, I'd love to see hathaway in that costume.
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2 hrs of Spidey battling for lobster bisque!
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It just can't. I refuse to believe it.
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So Whose gonna be the "Nuclear Man" in this crap-fest
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New Goblin....Really?
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...but even I think this sounds like shit. I know Raimi has wanted the Vulture to be in the series ever since Spider-man 2 was in the can, and he went hard after Malkovich in the Green Goblin role, so that part sounds pretty good to me. But I've never been on board with a female villain--especially not one thats never appeared in the comics. And Anne Hathaway just seems like an uninspired choice. These movies are so tonally light, very tongue-in-cheek and almost a parodied homage to the Golden Age comics, and neither Hathaway nor Malkovich really seem like they could have fun with roles like this. And the weakness of this series (in my eyes) has been the female angles... Raimi has mishandled Mary Jane three times, Gwen Stacy once, and now he's trying to throw yet another quasi-love interest into the mix? egh. man up and go with Vulture and Lizard, Sam.
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Odder than an octopus man?
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they are a ton of great spidey villians in the comics already. vulture is good. vulturess is not. but anne hathaway you will be mine.
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Dec 08, 2009 3:26:53 PM CST
I agree with you guys about the Lizard/Morbius storyline.
by the reluctant austinite
I geeked out when the rumor about the Morbius/Lizard and the mutant six-armed Spider-man storyline surfaced. I love that story, and it would be a total freakshow episode of the series. I'm kind of up for that. Plus it would give Spider-man a new look to exploit for toys, action figures, etc. The Vulture was kind of a boring villain to me as a kid (he's not likely to be a big selling toy with kids). I hope they can pull it off.
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Raimi made it clear that Venom was what the fans wanted and forced upon him. So hopefully they are releasing rumors to get fan reaction and that's all this is. There is just no way I can see a good movie with the Vulture as the villian not to mention the Vulturess (I feel silly just typing that word). I trust Raimi and loved SM2, but please don't give us a flying senior citizen and his 30 year junior flying love interest.
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But I think it would have to be an actor with a little more gravitas than Malkovich. I think someone above mentioned Ben Kingsley, which would be great, but he might be too old to be taken seriously as a supervillain.
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A whole movie about talkbackers making Vlad the Impaler jokes sounds better.
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My reaction when I clicked this article.
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You call yourselves nerds but you seem to know nothing about any of this. Spider-man 3 originally had Sandman and Vulture as the baddies. Kingsley was casted and a suit made. The SUITS like ARAD came in and demanded Venom be put in because "the fans want it". So if there is any blame to be tossed it is at Arad and the suits and you guys. Bitching and crying on Spider-man 2 boards about Venom. So they stuffed him in there to make you fuckers happy. Raimi loves Spider-man and their plan for SP3 sounded right and the suits fucked it. Now this story I half believe now remind you we heard sooooooo many "scoops" before SP2 and 3 and none of them were true. I sort of believe the Vulture villain because they have everything in place already. But they wouldn't change Blackcat that vulturess thing is bull shit. BUT I'm with a couple people here that the baddies should be the lizard and Gerard Butler Kraven. They really should just make that movie.
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but they might be saving those two and Electro for 5 and 6.
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The spider that bit Peter in the first movie bites a bum behind a party store around Halloween, the bum (crazy-drunk on a can of Sterno) finds a discarded pumpkin costume behind the store. Thinking that Spiderman stole his bicycle, he dons the pumpkin outfit to fight Spidey for his Schwinn.
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Fail Fail Fail. Vulturess? Please. I just threw up in my mouth a little.
WTF is wrong with a Kraven the Hunter/Lizard flick? The shit writes itself. Kraven hunting Spidey and Lizard. Spidey trying to save Doc Conners from Kraven while not getting eaten in the process. At least they're not inventing baddies like Lizardette or Kraveena the Huntress. -
Might as well, it would make just as much sense! This franchise is FUCKED.
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BUUUUUULLLL SHIT! I cannot see Raimi/Sony picking the freakin' Vulture to be the villain that makes everyone forget the mess that was Spidey 3. Why not have the Shocker and Gibbon in there, too? Yeah, Vulchy's a Lee/Ditko original, and Malkovich could do a great job, but it seems way too risky (i.e., boring) to me. After Sandman and Venom, two visually stunning villains, we'd get an old guy who flies? Not gonna happen.
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that is all.
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Defeat her by using "2 in the pink 1 in the stink" technique... spidey, you're almost there, just extend your middle finger along with the other two!
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This shitfest will ensure the next Spiderman will be a reboot, ala Batman Begins. They will be making Spiderman movies until the end of time. I guess we'll just have to ride this one out.
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Not using make up on Dafoe and covering his head is something that bugs me to this day. ANd people defended it on here saying "But his face wouldn't be protected in battle". And I say go for asthetics over realism. Dafoe was born to BE The Green Goblin. Any actor could have worn that stupid plastic looking mask. Penguin, Joker, Doc Ock, Catwoman etc. Most villians have their faces exposed!
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Dec 08, 2009 3:50:19 PM CST
RAIMI IS RESPONSIBLE FOR SM 3 BEING SHIT! END OF STORY!!!
by tehcreepythinman
Yeah, we all wanted Venom because he was the last great villain left. Sandman and The Lizard are B-list enemies. Vulture, Kraven and the rest are shit. With the symbiote, Raimi had the opportunity to tell a great story about the corrupting influence of power that could have been this series version of The Dark Knight. Instead Raimi, the fucking moron, decided that being evil means brushing your hair over your face and dancing like a fucking knob while dressed in black. Furthermore, after the success of the first two movies, Raimi could have walked if he didn’t like the idea of doing Venom. Also, the fact is that SM3 was fucking horrible because Sam decided that he wanted to write the movie with his brother rather then with a parade of good writers like they had on the second movie which is one of the reasons why that movie was soo great. Marvel should have shitcanned Raimi after the second one and brought in someone else to do parts 3 and 4.
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Porn star gets the suit and the pumpkins (her chest) and the board! FUCK YEAH THIS SHIT WRITES ITSELF.
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There's no way Raimi, who loves the old school rogues gallery, is going to turn Felicia Hardy into The Vulturette. It's ridonkulous.
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"...but I'll bet Vulture and Vultress are somehow related."
Kinda like Frankenstien and Bride of Frankenstein? yuck! I wish Disney had taken on Spiderman -
Haven't seen that one in while, thought I'd bring it back.
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But I don't know how they would do it since the Hobgoblin suit is just an altered/painted GG suit with a hood. Not sure how they could change the movie suit into a Hobgoblin suit.
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Holy cow!
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If done right, the Lizard as a villain would be fine. Make him the B-story if you need to, but don't be afraid just because the BIG mistake of slapping a Power Ranger mask on the Green Goblin instead of a more comic-accurate rubber mask ruined Gobby in SM1.
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Better be anyway. Fucking Vulture and Vulturess, my ass. All this is setup for us to go "whew" and "yee haw" when the ACTUAL villains are announced. There is no fucking way that Raimi is gonna let it go down with the studio dictatin' to him what to do on this one after the colossal fail that was SM3. No fucking way.
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supposed to play the Vulture in Part 3? Somehow this doesn't seem like a legit scoop to me...
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Dec 08, 2009 4:01:14 PM CST
luke_lymon, DISNEY WAS A NAZI WHO ATE HITLER'S BRAIN!!!FACT!!!
by tehcreepythinman
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So cut him a fucking break. Even 3 wasn't terrible, it was just not up to the standards of the first two and needed about 15 minutes cut/reshot.
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Dec 08, 2009 4:02:50 PM CST
Just when you you thought that nothing could suck worse than SM3
by the bicycle sharer
We give you...The Vulturess!The most craptacular made-up villainess in history!Marvel! At her inane dialogue!Puke! At her ridiculous storyline!
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...couldn't save this. Please, Mr. Raimi. You're a fantastic filmmaker, and seem like one of Hollywood's nice guys. DON'T LET THIS HAPPEN. VULTRESS? "Make it so, Vultress!" The fuck you say?!
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The Vulture looks kind of like Dr. Venture.
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Kraven vs Lizard. I'd watch that. And not be dissappointed by a bunch of Hollywood B.S.
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For as much as he got right in the first 2, he still mixed up Gwen and MJ, gave us a spiderman that is very short on great sarcasm, gave the goblin a power ranger costume, made Sandman Ben's killer, and made Harry's Goblin into something from the X-games.
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When you get to Spiderman 40 you can start creating new villains.
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Throw in the black lightsaber for good measure.
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On the other hand, the Lizard & Kraven together makes total sense and would rock.
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The laughable name of the "Vulturess" is probably enough to debunk this rumor on its own. But the thing that has me even more convinced that this is bullshit is the Malkovich thing. If I'm not mistaken, I think Raimi said somewhere(might've been the first film's DVD commentary) that Malkovich was the first choice for Goblin and laughed in their face when they offered him the part. Thought that comic book movies were below him. Granted, its been almost a decade since then, but what is there to suggest that Malkovich would've made a 180 about-face?
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*flushes*
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We only THOUGHT we knew how Ben Parker died, but we WERE WRONG! See, The Vulture was actually standing next to Sandman the whole time, whispering evil things in his ear. Sandman was a hapless pawn, it was really Vulture pulling the strings.Spider-Man 4 revolves around Peter Parker learning this horrible truth, at which point he does the Darth Vader "NOOOOOO!".MJ has decided to not be an actress, a model or a singer. Instead she has decided to be a reality television star. She's very upset with Peter that he won't support her career choice and help her crash a party celebrating a boy being rescued from a UFO balloon.Peter cries a lot because nobody understands how upsetting it is to have super powers.Vulture then kidnaps MJ and holds her in his lair. At the end, Vulture cries, spidey cries, MJ cries and Spidey lets Vulture go.It's money in the fuckin' bank!
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Um... shouldn't it be assumed that the Vulturess is an identify Felicia takes on before turning into Black Cat later in the movie? Why else would they call her Felicia Hardy?
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thought Eragon was more on his level.
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Malkovich as the Vulture, that's kind of cool. But the VULTRESS? REALLY? What the fuck are people smoking over there?
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Doesn't sound like they're doing much to make the series better... have we lost Mr. Raimi?
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Dec 08, 2009 4:22:12 PM CST
SANDMAN SHOULD HAVE KILLED AUNT MAY IN PART 3!!!FACT!!!
by tehcreepythinman
Then that would have been a logical reason for Parker to go nuts instead of that fucking bullshit about Sandman being Uncle Ben's real killer. What a load of shit and what about the fucking amnesia sub-plot?!? Does Raimi spend his days lying on a bed of money watching soap operas?
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...has got to be a joke. I cannot believe that the "suits" care enough about this issue to stamp out something this over the top stupid. And let me guess, Sam... the villian is going to kidnap M.J. again, right?
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... this series was going to become "Batman & Robin". How about a SPIDERMAN reboot...
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They need to give Spider-man 3 the Letterier Hulk treatment and just pretend it never existed. They ruined Venom and the Sandman/Uncle Ben plot was horrid. I was excited when I saw John Malkovich playing the Vulture. Vulture isn't the coolest villian but John Malkovich would be perfect. However, I don't see why they would create a completely unnecessary new villian with an awful name. I am all for the Kraven/Lizard storyline or having them resurrect Venom, do him justice, and add Carnage. They could scrap any storyline and just make it 2 hours of Spider-man vs. Venom vs. Carnage and I'd be happy as a pig in shit.
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MALKOVICH IS THE #1 VILLAIN AND YOU STILL COMPLAIN?!?!?!?! WHAT THE FUCK IS WRONG WITH YOU PEOPLE?!?!?!
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... when the DC comic films have become more relevent than the MARVEL ones...
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guess which is which!
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Stupid ass move "killing" off his Eddie Brock in Spider-Man 3. Biggest waste since Cyclops was vaporized off screen in X3 (what's wrong with awful third marvel movies anyway? Thank God they stopped at 2 with Fantastic Four).
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Spidey digs up Ben's corpse, alternately pummeling what's left of him into jelly crying "You killed my Uncle", and hugging him close with tear-filled promises of "I won't ever let you down again".
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i have no doubt hathaway would be a fine black cat...
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He'd choose those two leads from the TWILIGHT movies as Peter and MJ. Think about that shit.
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Raimi, stop making this shit and bring us Ash kicking much ass. Deadites running Wall St maybe...
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"Oh shit, it's The Vulture! We're fucked!"
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I wish they would tap him to do a Marvel Zombies movie. I know they would never make a mainstream Marvel movie that gory (the Punisher movies being an exception) but I think Raimi could go apeshit with that material.
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"You've foiled me again Spider-Man!"
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Okay, I'll stop now.
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Trading a Kraven/Lizard storyline for the Vulture and ...waitforit...THE VULTRESS??? HAHAHAHAHAHAHA! Seriously, I hope someone at Sony gets fired.
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Too stupid to be true.
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What are they stupid?
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I bet he takes the money no matter how shitty the script. You think he's going to go back to making small horror movies for peanuts? He's got a death grip on this golden goose and he ain't letting go.
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....if this is true and we get John Malkovich with fuckin' feathers on as the 'Vulture' and a female 'Vulture' wannabe tagging along, then Raimi has TRULY lost where the Spidey franchise is concerned.He fucked up his third entry in many ways, but this would be even worse!I'd far rather the awesome visuals that the Lizard or Mysterio would provide compared to some laughable turkey-necked flying bald man....
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I've got a spoiler for you. it sucks
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you are totally kidding when you say "Spidey 3 wasn't terrible"....?? right?? the fuck it wasn't... and sorry, 2 was damned near just as bad..... oh, and as fucking awful and horrible that the 2 FF movies were, they still weren't as bad as the friggin' "Brokeback" Spiderman 3 ending, jesus, I fully expected Parker to tongue kiss Osburn and flip him over and drain some spider web into his ass at the end there...... and I am sick of this Nolan should do this and OH we need to Dark Night Spiderman... no we don't, it just needs to be good.... WAKE UP
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T rue story week before Thanksgiving I meet Sam Raimi in Manhattan near were i work, got to shake his hand and everything. Thought it was pretty cool, now with this news I must say I am sorry to everyone that I didnt kick him in the balls. P.S. I think The rumor Is bulls@#$ I hope
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I wanted to give Raimi the benefit of the doubt with Spiderman 3. I wanted to argue that "the suits" forced him to make a movie that wasn't truly his; that despite the Sandman's non-storyline, if a phantom edit were possible for Spiderman 3, that we'd see, at it's core, a movie about friendship surpassing evil. This news changes that. What we're going to see is yet ANOTHER 2 hours of rehashing HOW and WHY Peter hates himself, HOW and WHY Kursten Dunst is the only reason "Brand New Day" is palatable, and Peter never growing beyond the first film! If Raimi and "the suits" were smart they'd open the movie with a fight sequence between Spidey and the Scorpion (played by none other than Bruce Campbell). Scorpion is a throw away character and it seems fitting to finally give Campbell some additional, albeit limited, screen time. They fight, Spidey FINALLY uses some quips and one-liners and then easily beats the Scorpion down. Movie starts off with a *BANG*. While searching the Scorpion Spidey finds a vial . . . *drum roll please* . . . regenerative mutagen - capable of regrowing limbs, for instance. Seems Doc Conners has been work on the formula and the night janitor (Campbell) decides to swipe it one evening. So the trail leads to Conners. Spidey investigates as Parker. Conners gets wind of the janitor/Scorpion incident and decides to try it on himself. Tada! The Lizard is born! Meantime J.J. has upped the ante in his war of words against Spidey and he posts a reward for Spiderman to be caught and unmasked. Wait, what's this? Vigilantes come out of the woodwork? Cameo appearances by Kraven? Mysterio? Punisher? Black Cat? (I realize BC isn't a mercenary for hire, but she is a burglary and, if following the ORIGINAL storyline, her the big payoff PLUS her infatuation with Spidey would finally compel her to hunt him down.) Now Spidey has a fight on all sides including Lizard. Black Cat comes to his rescue after seeing him in action, but Kraven is out for blood and ends up unmasking Spidey in Times Square . . . blah blah blah.
Or if you don't like that version - Spidey comes into contact with the regenerative mutagen, failing to realize its potential. A "clone" develops - introduce the dreaded "Clone Saga" with Jake Gyllenhal playing Ben Reiley. Then you have Lizard, Scarlet Spider (who could pretend that he was the real Spiderman once Parker is unmasked) and Black Cat. But NOOOOOO. We're gonna get derivative schlock regardless of the fact that there's a HUGE library of stories to draw from. An old man in a vulture costume?!? SERIOUSLY??? Grow a pair Raimi and STOP REHASHING THE SAME DAMN MOVIE OVER AND OVER AGAIN! -
Raimi your killing me here. I thought you were trying to restore credibility. You of all people know what happens when you F with the formula or go changing this detail or that. The comics were successful and resinated with us for a reason. Vultress?? Puuuhleeeez
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How about MAYBE this is Sony's way of getting back at us for TOTALLY destroying and humiliating GODZILLA !!! They are still pissed about that i can assure you.... !!! XD
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Pretty good Ideas man
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Hollywood is notorious for making boneheaded changes like this. At this point no one is surprised by news like this.
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She's too hot to leave out. She could play fucking Shriek and I wouldn't care. I betcha 10 dollars at the end of the movie she becomes black cat anyway.
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John Malcovich is a fine actor. That said, an old guy in a bird suit and the ability to suck (energy) has never struck me as a compelling bad guy. Neither had a chubby guy in an Octopus costume and a bowl cut either, but I enjoyed Spider-Man 2, so any well-scripted story with a great actor could work. Vultress? That's just lame and stupid. Not that I'm a fan of Black Cat, but this went from a movie I'd go to check out because I like the character to one I'll wait until it comes on on DVD or TBS.Why can't they just stick with one villain, a moving script with enough character development and plot combined with action to make a great movie and not just an excuse to create hip new villains nobody wants or will likely enjoy, much less knowingly pay money for? Forget it, rhetorical question.
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Dec 08, 2009 5:17:24 PM CST
TIM STORY SHOULD HAVE DONE SPIDER-MAN 3 AND 4!!!FACT!!!
by tehcreepythinman
Yeah yeah yeah, I know, you’re screaming “BUT HE DESTROYED THE FANTASTIC 4”. No he didn’t. I actually really enjoyed the first F4 movie and thought that part 2 wasn’t bad except for some flimsy writing but then the FF we’re never the best superheros to begin with. So why am I forwarding Story for Spider-man? It’s because when I watch the FF movies they have the exact style and tone that I think a Spider-man movie needs. I see Story as a Martin Campbell type who just needs that right script and he could deliver a really good movie. Raimi is way too hit and miss and although I think SM1 was decent and 2 was a masterpiece, I think Story should have been tapped to make 3 & 4, if Raimi didn’t want to do the Venom storyline, and if he had a few quality writers on board, there’s no reason that he couldn’t have made some satisfying Spider-man movies.
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Srsly. If suits are so smart, why can't they 'think outside the box' and come up with a new corporate phrase to replace 'think outside the box'? Oh, and...Vulturess? WTF?!?
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No sale.
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I haven't seen a single talkbacker stick up for the debacle that was SPIDERMAN 3.
But there is one that loves it... our resident critic. The one in the know. The one who lives and breathes movies. Champion of VAN HELSING. God of GODZILLA. The one with all the taste...
"MEESA WUVVED IT!!!" Harry Knowles. -
Dec 08, 2009 5:27:24 PM CST
Tobey Macguire, Kristen Dunst, and now Anne Hathaway!
by hollywoodhellraiser
The shit just keeps piling on for Spider-Man 4!Can't wait til the "Remake" happens so in Spider-Man is done right!
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Check out Havoc, then. Also, very nice Thundarr reference.
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didn't they learn anything dont fuck up what isn't broken stick to the books .
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All greased up and swinging that little thingy about. "It's my HEAD SCHWARTZ"!!!!!
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Dec 08, 2009 5:33:42 PM CST
Anyone see that "Pretending to Be Kubrick" movie?
by fa_tass_dinomolester
God, that sucked. I can't imagine Malkie would turn down a big payday after that. Of course, if this weren't probably a bag of poopoo.
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The Vultress? Really? REALLY? How can you call the Lizard a silly looking character but have TWO vulture based enemies. You're shorting us all of a Bruce Campbell as Kraven geekgasm, first off. Second off, REALLY?!?!?!
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In fact it's more the reverse, but that's what they think most moviegoers will think. In cinematic terms it would certainly seem that way since Catwoman has been brought to life on screens large and small more frequently and memorably over the decades.
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Just wanted to add one more to the chorous of boos.
And how would a vultress and vulture be less weird then the Lizard?
I know the Black Cat is really close to Catwoman but she's still had some good arcs to just be ruined like this. -
HollywoodHellraiser, you're right. Normally im against remakes/reboots but SPIDERMAN 3 was so atrocious that this is one time when a reboot would be a mercy killing.
Give it to a passionate young director (Neil Blomkamp, Pierre Morel). Recast if needs be (you could replace bland-faced Tobey Maguire with bland-faced Jake Gyllenhal - no one would fucking notice). And start from a blank slate - give the writer/director free reign.
Couldn't be worse than this Maguire vs. Vulture people shit. -
He's a cool dude! He's trying to help you out!
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Yes, and find parts for Christina Hendricks and Billy Zane.
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OK, about the "human face" thing, SPIDER-MAN does not have a human face. That is the most obvious one but what about characters like R2-D2, HAL, WALL-E, or Darth Vader? These are film icons. How does this logic hold up?
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... needs a raise.
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I grew up with Spidey. I always thought the Vulture was the weakest of the early villains and the Lizard probably the most tragic...a good guy trying to help himself and others and things going awry...big time! Everyone else is basically bad (ok...movie version Doc Ock started good) but the Lizard, I think, would elicit a lot better response from the audience when you are half-rooting for the bad guy...who cares if the Vulture goes down in flames (hopefully taking the Vulturess with him)...stick with the old themes...tell the suits you need to do this right by the fans or there won't be any left. If I had my dream...we'd see the Sinister Six...great plot, great villains and everybody gets to sweat. Keep hiring more actors and go for the Six! :)
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I mean they really need to think & chose carefully now otherwise it will be totally fucked up forever & go into 10 year hiatus mode (to cover the stink!).
SM3 was without a doubt one of the worse sequels ever made after 10 mins I should have walked out but could not believe it would not improve..... (how wrong I was!).
They need an SM2 level or better experience to avoid franchise fade.
Cast the best actors & make sure the women are super-hot (not freakshows with donkey mouths!!). -
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Dec 08, 2009 5:54:57 PM CST
Spidey has a human face when he keeps taking his mask off
by fa_tass_dinomolester
every 30 seconds!
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I would have been forgiving and defended this bullshit a few years ago, but then SM3 came along and wrecked my image of Raimi and the franchise. When Malcovich thinks he's better than the material he phones it in hardcore, and choosing NOT to put Felicia in a black cat costume and instead put her in some kind of high tech feathersuit is retarded on every level. And also- anyone else rewatched Knocked Up and feel really bad when they say they're going to go watch Spider-Man 3?
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Fucking really? FUCKING REALLY? VULTRESS? FUCKING REALLY?
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"Hm, the Vulture, huh? Does it have to be a bald guy?" "How about a hot chick!" "The Vulture... ess?! Anyone? The Vulturess? Huh? Bikini and wings? Maybe some go-go boots? How about it? I'm thinking Halle Berry." "Make it Anne Hathaway. And let's replace that Lizard subplot with a dance number!" "Done and done. What's for lunch?"
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Dec 08, 2009 6:08:44 PM CST
Felicia Hardy will be The Black Cat, or it's NO DEAL!!!
by mrmysteryguest
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I'd go with Kingsley or, I know this sounds odd, Harvey keitel. And if they could ever pay off Doc Conner with a lizard movie, that would be better than Vulture.
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Fucking awesome.
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I'm so sick of it. The Lizard would be a great story. I'm happy with vulture but choosing him because he wears no mask or isn't a creature is lame!
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Seriously, the bad buzz this will start is going to be out of control. If this is even close to their plans, they really should say that someone at Movieline got confused, and then take a pen to the script and cross out anywhere the Vulturess character is called Felicia and rename her... Giving the Vulture a daughter who eventually wears his costume is fine. Screwing up the Black Cat is not.
Hell, maybe I should give them more credit and consider the fact that they purposefully put out a story that would piss off fans in order to make whatever their actual plans are sound 100% better by comparison.
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Dec 08, 2009 6:28:16 PM CST
Where is Richard Pryor when you need him?
by ihaveseeneveryepisodeofprisonbreak
Then again, Gene Wilder would be an awesome Vulture. And Tara Reid as Vultress! WTF?
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just died a little.
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Did you seriously say Spider-Man 2 wasn't good? Really? It's arguably the greatest superhero film ever made and definitely in the top 5. Yeah, SM 3 wasn't terrible, but it wasn't great either. Unlike FF or Daredevil or Catwoman it at least had some redeeming qualities and wasn't a total bomb. If you didn't like SM 2 maybe you just shouldn't be watching Spider-Man movies.
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"...So we have this character... he's like a were-wolf, see? Only instead of turning into a wolf, he becomes this ferocious velociraptor-like creature with big claws and teeth that's just as agile as the hero is...."
Suit: "You mean like Spider-man fighting a dinosaur man on the rooftops, streets and sewers of New York? I dunno if that will sell... what else you got?"
"Er... well... there's this old bald guy in a bird suit from the 60's..."
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Sigh, I guess we'll just have to wait 10 years for Christopher Nolan to reboot this Series with "Spider-Man Begins"
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She looks like an inner city welfare recipient, and she has ugly feet. I have unconventional taste in women but she is just lanky and hideous. Plus she looks like she has emotional problems.
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regarding the offer of the Green Goblin role in SPIDER-MAN, said something to the effect of: "The material I was presented with wasn't worth the money they were offering," possibly worded slightly less nastily, but he did indeed speak about it once. Why would he be interested now? Well, stranger things have happened, I guess... but still, this is all sounding just... BIZARRE.... and BORING. I'm with nearly everyone else: Why not Kraven and Lizard?? Mysterio?? I'm not even a big fan of Electro, but I'd even take ol' Max Dillon over this!! Sony was also said to be pursuing Mickey Rourke some months back at the same time Marvel was courting him for IRON MAN 2 -- wouldn't he have fit someone like Mysterio or Electro better?? Perhaps they were thinking about him for Vanderbilt's script(s) -- which Sony apparently likes enough to keep for Spidey 5&6 -- Raimi didn't take to Vanderbilt's scenario -- OFFICIAL. Apparently he had "more control"!! Nothing we're hearing makes sense!! So I'm almost on the studio's side now!!
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This story reeks of bullshit.
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Dec 08, 2009 6:45:02 PM CST
SO an OLD man in a Vulture suit is ok, but a Lizard ain't?
by cinemajerk
Let me get this straight. The suits are nervous about a meek scientist who transforms into a COOL looking powerful Lizard man.....but they aren't about an OLD MAN in a VULTURE suit??
LOL. Gimme a break. A CGI Lizard who hisses and talks and kicks ass would be AWESOME.
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I don't remember who posted this, but the Kraven hunting the Lizard with Spidey caught in the middle is a good idea. I would also not be opposed to a Bruce Campbell Mysterio showing up down the line. I would think Spider Man 6 would feature the Sinister Six. That would make some sense. I won't even comment on the vultress business because I'm pretty sure that's a dodge.
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The whole goddamn world has been waiting for the Lizard! He's got to be more believable then the fucking stay-puft-marshmellow-man Sandman we got! Liz should have been there 3 films ago!
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And the Vulture is what, tradition villainy...he's got feathers on his ARMS!!!
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I totally agree with you! How the heck would Lizard NOT WORK??? I figure either the person who sent this in has no idea what they are talking about or it is a plant by Rami to throw people off. Vulturess makes no sense - I think it's more likely that Felicia is the Vulture's daughter(gives her more screentme and might be easier to tie up the plots that way). I say she's still the Black Cat. I could live with that.
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Malkovich is starting to become a parody of himself. Sad but true...
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Fucking ridiculous. There should never EVER be a character called the Vulturess!
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Let's see Tobey get chewed on by a giant man-lizard. That would make me give this franchise another chance.
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after that abortion that was Spidey 3 I have to laugh that bullshit rumor like this can even generate a response at all. I give Sam total credit, I'm still a fan but I hated Spidey 3, it's almost as if he has some sort of creative axe to grind, like he's purposely making them shittier and shittier the more money they throw at him, and christ Toby McGuire loathes it as well. This story is complete horseshit, Vulturess? If anything remotely like that makes it to film it will kill Raimi's cred once and for all, what small amount he still has. Bring in Electro and Mysterio and stop fucking around, assholes!!
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...The writers are probably just taking a nod from the Iron Man 2 team and fusing some characters together that , by themselves, cannot support an entire film- just as Crimson Dynamo and Whiplash seem to be combined for Iron Man 2- here it seems like they are combining the Vulture with the master-thief character Silver Fox- whose daughter goes on to follow his profession as the Black Cat as Spidey's nemesis. So while this move seems retard-its not so wild as it may seem.
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h, and Sithmenace - Hathaway is a troll? Hideous? I can see if you said "I don't find her particularly attractive myself" but what the hell are you talking about? Hideous? - She LOOKS like she has emotional problems? Huh? Based on what? And besides, what does that have to do with anything? Do you go see movies based on your opinions of the personal lives of actors? If she does a good job acting in the movie so that she portrays a convincing character isn't that enough? Or does the fact that she doesn't give you an erection your version of the thumbs up thumbs down review method? Pathetic.
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I think she's hideous and she looks like she has emotional problems. That's what I think. Lol, why does that make you so angry?
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Ok... Hear me out...
Adrian Toomes is nearing retirement at Oscorp. He works in the "Flight" division working on flying suits that can be worn by a man ( metal wings in background of lab, etc.) After Harry Osborns death in the last movie Oscorp is taken over by Stark Industries and, because they already have flying suits they shut down the entire division and lay off the entire staff. Toomes is humilitlated by the suits before he leaves and is left without his pension or his pride.
Wanting revenge against all those who wronged him, Toomes creates a list of those who he believes wronged him and sends it to the Daily Bugle and says he will kill them one by one and that no one can stop him. This brings Spider-man into the action as he wants to prevent anyone getting killed.
Toomes then goes to "an old friend" industrial billionaires the elder Hardys to get the funding he needs to complete his research and to complete his vulture suit.
They sense he has gone off the deep end and turn him down. As he is leaving he is stopped by their daughter, Felicia. She says that while she can't get him
as much money as her parents he can give him enough to help him. He asks what is the price for her assistance and she says that she wants him to add one person to his list -- Peter Parker.
To Be Continued... If anyone cares ;) -
Which is ALL this "news" is.
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I'm really looking forward to the third one!
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With this one story (I really hope the Vultress bit is b.s)It brought back Spider-man 3's pre-production stink.
My top 10 list of favorite Spidey villains. 1. Mysterio, 2.DocOck, 3. Electro 4.GreenGoblin, 5. Rhino, 6.Venom, 7.Scorpion 8.Kraven, 9. Vulture, 10. Carnage. Dammit I want to see Mysterio but another side of me doesn't, not in the hands of Raimi, he'll just mess it up and probably make Mysterios helmet lamer than Cobra commanders in the G.I Joe movie. -
Are they fucking serious? What brain-dead numb nuts is making these decisions? Laura "Let's kill all our Main Characters in X3" Schuler-Donner? Gay. And when I say Gay, I mean Fucking Gay.
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it'll make a billion dollars
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I'm with you. CG actors never age or die. And you can stylize it as close to print medium as you want.
WTF? Vultress? Are you freaking kidding. Is Spidey gonna get a sidekick too. Someone young with alot of attitude to make it relatable to the kids.
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My reaction to this.
JM as Vulture. Okay, maybe.
Anne Hathaway as Felicia. Sure.
Felicia not Black Cat. Huh?
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sam doesn't have a clue
and sony don't have a clue
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All you folks saying Raimi's got old school love need to remember crap like the goblin with no name and looking like two face, sandman killing uncle ben, the symbiote falling out of nowhere and immediately liking Peter. I would've liked it if they at least had the symbiote trying to merge with other people and not finding them suitable, then finding Peter and liking him because of his powers or something. So hopefully this 411 is b.s. But if not, the inevitable reboot by some relatively new director with one really coo' fliq under his belt like Christopher Nolan with Memento taking on the Batman franchise is sure to be in Spidey's future.
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All you folks saying Raimi's got old school love need to remember crap like the goblin with no name and looking like two face, sandman killing uncle ben, the symbiote falling out of nowhere and immediately liking Peter. I would've liked it if they at least had the symbiote trying to merge with other people and not finding them suitable, then finding Peter and liking him because of his powers or something. So hopefully this 411 is b.s. But if not, the inevitable reboot by some relatively new director with one really coo' fliq under his belt like Christopher Nolan with Memento taking on the Batman franchise is sure to be in Spidey's future.
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...and it looks like he has emotional problems. This has absolutely nothing to do with the topic, but hey, when in Rome...
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with his writing crew and having a good long laugh at the rumor he himself leaked. There is no possible way to believe this "sources close to the film" crap. Based on Rachel Getting Married I wouldn't mind Hathaway being the other woman in Spidey's life though so long as that's not ALL SM4 is about.
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I had absolutely nothing to base my previous comment on...but again, neither did he...
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Sam Raimi can't possibly be this stunned unless he is going to Joel Schumacher for advice. Spider-Man 3 wasn't a great movie, but it wasn't horrible, and the vulturess idea is horrible. Batman and Robin kinda horrible. Franchise ending kinda horrible.
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The new Vulture has a laser gun (yes, laser gun) mounted on his back, at least he does in the cartoon.
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Mary Jane is hideous, and Peter Parker looks like he has emotional problems. This, I think, is key to explaining the problems with Raimi's Spider-Franchise.
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LOL - that explains everything!!!
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I'm pretty sure that there won't be any lasers involved. But, if there's any truth at all to this rumor, I guess it's not out of the realm of possibility.
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THE vulture is a cool villan but seriously ot better be ultimate vulture with a metallic fusion bird suit or it wont work!!!
And why create a brand new character called the vultress when felicia hardy is in the story already!!! WTF?
I swear this shit is gonna be worse than part 3 and i tell you im not wasting my hard earned money for this bullshit i will cop the fucking bootleg!
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Reliable source - bullshit! This is what Raimi and company wanted you fanboys to think so that you will have an endless post of misdirected rants here on AICN.
I still think a double villain team-up is a terrible idea. It failed with the 2nd Burton "Batman" and its successors, it failed on Spidey 3 and it will fail on this one, even if it is Kraven and The Lizard (which it probably will be). Stick to one bad guy and make him interesting enough, so we actually like the bad guy. I don't care that Dylan McDermott isn't a big star, he ain't going to be wearing a Lizard costume for this film anyway, so just enjoy the checkbook savings from overpaying MacGuire. -
Any relation to Buffalo Springfield? Just curious...
I agree that an Electro-Woman and Dyna-Girl movie is long overdue but what does this have to do with Spider man 4? Maybe a Kroft/Marvel Crossover...Only if Charleze Theron plays Electro-Woman... -
Just give Spidey a manicured goatee, a black beret and give Dolph a cameo as the Punisher and you mofo's would be all over it. This sounds horrific. "Expendables" style.
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S'all I got.
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Oops. And this is still Fanboy bait.
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are fucking trash. The first one was just OK but the second and third were terrible. Whiny Peter Parker throughout the second, and I won't even get into the third. Whoever casted these movies should be shot.
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I'm praying this is false please God be not true. I'm fine with Malkovich as the Vulture that's actually pretty great. But taking Anne Hathaway that is great to play a new made up villain sucks ass! I mean damn & no Lizard or Kraven Damn. I mean I let that Harry Osborn as the made up New Goblin shit go! But my God the Vultress what & the Hell come on. I'm just praying this is false. Let common sense regain control.
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Dec 08, 2009 8:01:24 PM CST
Awesome. I bet Vulteress killed Uncle Ben too.
by johndillingers20inchseveredcock
Before the Sandman did, which will be revealed in another updated flashback.
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Dec 08, 2009 8:07:36 PM CST
Apparently Lizard and Kraven just made too much sense
by miyamoto_musashi
The studio is experimenting, "how much of a mess can we make of a Spiderman movie and still get lots of people to see it, can we top Spiderman 3?"
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Otherwise this movie will suck ass............
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Dec 08, 2009 8:11:07 PM CST
My original creation for Hathaway to play: Topless Girl!
by flim springfield
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...but if Felicia Hardy is "The Vultress and not Black Cat, this could be silly....I thought Raimi had more respect for Spidy than this....
And why does it have to be Felicia Hardy?? Can't they come up with a NEW character for the NEW Villain?
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If you're going to randomly slam someone for not being what you think is attractive, at least have it make sense. Please, logically explain to me how she looks like she is an "inner city welfare recipient"? Also, ugly feet? Who the fuck looks at feet aside from degenerate weirdos?
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"Oooh, baby, look at that toenail! Mmm, me so horny!!" Uh, really? Pervert.
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There's crying, and there's the Vultress.-McG
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Fuck the studio heads. Fuck 'em hard with a splintery broom handle.
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of its similarity to the word "feline". Not because of any sort of vulture-like abilities.
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I agree that I don't find Hathaway attractive also, but I don't let that decide my movie going experience. and YES, I think Spidey 2 stunk, and OH YES< YES< YES, Spidey 3 was so effin bad, horrible, atrocious, shit awful that I can't even watch it a second time to see if I was/am wrong. Raimi was channeling some Schumacher or something. and actually, I have a problem with all the movies... I do like Tobey as Peter Parker and as Spiderman, but the things that were good in one, they totally went away from after that...you gotta have the wisecracking, smartass Peter/Spidey, otherwise, it's just not Spidey, PERIOD. and the focus so much on Mary Jane was just wrong also.... and Dunst is just a terrible casting for MJ, just is. I had hopes, but they started destroying them in the first when they turned MJ into an MJ, Gwen and Felicia fuckin blob of a character.... and YES, never should have put a mask on Goblin... but anyway.... I , as wellas most people here, pretty well think this is bullshit trash... BUT, if you think this can't possibly be true, I'd have you look no further than Spiderman 3, Batman and Robin and the US version of Godzilla.... we all thought, there was no way what we heard was gonna be the story could possibly happen..... AND, well, it did, and was WORSE yet...!!!
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And how about a little Electro in there too? Or Mysterio!! I bet they could do some trippy shit in 3D with Mysterio!
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Anyone do this yet? Sigh. Plant.
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I just don't dig these films enough to care. And I tried, but the way they handled Venom was the last straw for me. Now they're going to try and use The Vulture as the villain? Lamo.
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Green Goblin 1&2, Doc Ock, Sandman, Lizard, Kingpin, Kraven, Mysterio, Rhino, Electro, Vulture, Sinister Six, and later there was Morbius, Shocker, Jackal, Hobgoblin, Venom, and Carnage. The worst one for film in this list is...The Vulture!
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Dec 08, 2009 8:53:21 PM CST
Vultress sounds dumb, but if Hathaway is in a skin tight outfit
by redmond
I'm in.
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It's like Harley and Ivy dipped in stupid.
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...SAD, SAD, SAD, SAD, SAD!!!!!!
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Only a fool would disagree that the Train sequence from SM2 is perfect. And for me my favorite aspects of Raimi's flicks are the spidey cams that show him soaring through NYC, so now if we can get Raimi to pull out another perfect action sequence, but now combine it completely in the sky....I'm giddy if this is true.
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Look, you had your love triangle plot in the last movie with Gwen Stacy. Rehashing that plot with Felicia in the very next movie is silly. On the other hand, including Felicia and NOT exploring Peter's relationship with her is a waste of the character too. So, avoid using her entirely for part 4.
This series was borderline chick-flick in the first two parts and it went balls-out Lifetime Channel in the last one. Adding to that with another love triangle is a surefire way to kill an already shaky series. -
He's got the acting chops and resume, he can also do geeky and sexy @ the same time imo. Along with my previous suggestions of APRIL BOWLBY AS MARY JANE AND ADRIANNE PALICKI AS GWEN STACY I think they could do well. And with maybe Fincher directing? Fight Club proved he can do crazy/dark and gritty/yet comedic. And SPOILER: I HEARD THE NEW FIGHT CLUB BLURAY HAS A "MALFUNCTION" WHERE IT MAKES IT LOOK LIKE YOU ACCIDENTALLY GOT A COPY OF NEVER BEEN KISSED BEFORE IT ACTUALLY BECOMES THE FIGHT CLUB BLU RAY.
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Seems like a weak nemesis to me overall. I can't believe we're all out of good ideas already. Too bad they massively screwed up the Venom incorporation into the series.
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Fuck no, "Vultress" will even have retards doing a face-palm.
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Time flies...
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female reporter by day
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AS LONG AS THEYRE NOT BLUE. KNOW WHAT IM SAYIN
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The vulture looks kinda retarded on paper but they can really make him shine with some bitchin special effects/airborne sequences.
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I've always thought that the Spider-man films should have had pre-credit teasers, like Bond movies, that depict a self-contained little adventure that's not related to the larger plot. For instance, I don't know if he could carry a whole movie with pathos and huge stakes, but wouldn't it be a kick to see Spidey thwart a mundane bank robbery committed by Mysterio (and played by Bruce Campbell, perhaps)? The lesser baddy would only have to be in the film for the first 5-10 minutes, it wouldn't detract from the larger story (with its pathos and huge stakes), and it would establish this reality where Spider-man does this kind of thing all the time, it's just another day in the life of your friendly, neighborhood Spider-man, until...!
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I just took a shit in a paper bag and mailed it to him. Hope he likes it.
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hell, he should. That's what he gave us with Spiderman 3, and most of Spiderman 2..... realize it people, they were bad. 3 one of the all time worse....
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'92-'93 Fantastic Four (if anyone else has even seen it) and the '90 Captain America...... ??? quite possibly could be.
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I sometimes like Malkovich but he can only play Malkovich.
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to STOP MAKING THEM???
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It felt like I was watching the work of some hack director copy all the gags that worked in Evil Dead 2.
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...and although I didn't catch Drag Me To Hell in theaters, I enjoyed the hell out of it a couple weeks ago on DVD one night.
That said, how could they NOT go with either the Lizard, Kraven or Morpheus as the Big Bad in the next Spidey flick? Besides the fact that they're great villains, they would work superbly cinematically.
Also, Gerald Butler as Kraven would be really good, but *Daniel Day Lewis* as Kraven would be fucking awesome.
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It sounds like studio misinformation to me. Regarding the Vulture and Malkovich? Maybe not, although given he turned down the Green Goblin part in the first flick leads to me suspect that as well.
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I don;t buy this one at all. John Malkovich as Vulture makes sense, but almost too much sense. It all sounds like some kind of made up fan casting and some made up BS about a vulturess. Since when has the Spiderman writers flat out MADE UP a character like that when there was a perfectly good one to choose from? Never, that's when. Also if this IS true then it is truly a sad day. Horrible character choices.
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maybe it's not true. The Malkovich casting makes me feel yucky inside, too. But maybe... he'll surprise us.. he just seems too laid back for an action movie. They should get Bruce Willis or Robert Redford lolz
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Bad as it was, he's introduced now. If you could theoretically make a good film with him now, then Spider-man 3 wasn't a complete waste. Or is it impossible to do a Superhero movie without some kind of origin taking up half the movie?
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I doubt if when readers first saw Doc Ock in the books they thought "Why couldn't they have used the Goblin for this story??" I don't care what they make up. I hated Harry as Revenge Paintball Man instead of Green Goblin II. But FUCK IT. He was the only part of SM3 that worked. This does SOUND terrible..."Vulturess"? I'd rather Felicia be a side character who has future potential like Dr. Connors. But we're teetering on the edge. Whatever he does next is either going to call for a reboot in 10 years or reinvigorate the franchise. I don't know what to think except that going the two villains route (with high profile actors) is still overkill. The argument of Batman Begins/Dark Knight villains choices still stands. The villains should be parts of the hero's story. Not the centerpiece. The Joker, despite being the big draw to theatres, was still only a piece of the story.
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since Di$ney now owns marvel comics....could they be the suits calling for a "human face" on the villians and shooting down the lizard?
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Malkovich should nail it. Vulture is a mean old bastard. Introduce Felicia Hardy as THE Black Cat, white haired, skin-tight cat-suited thief. Smitten with Spidey, dismissive of Parker. Spidey sees her as a peer, not a civilian. Let MJ take a step back, so there's no triangle. Sub-plot has Dr. Connors working on a limb-regeneration serum. Vulture tries to kill Spider-man, Felicia does a good deed, saves his ass, proves herself. End of movie has Connors transformation into an AWESOME BAD-ass Lizard...To be Continued in SM-5! With Kraven hunting Lizard!
Invite Malkovich back for Sinister 6 in Spider-Man 6 with No-mask Goblin, Doc Ock, Sandman, Kraven, Lizard.
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Try Alicia Witt. She was up for the MJ role originally anyway. She's so fine, AND a redhead! Looks more like the MJ character is s'posed to!
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Nuff Said! Cyrus the Muthafucking Virus with feathers!
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Retract Lizard from Sinister 6.
Dafoe as no-mask Goblin
busts Electro out of jail
brings a walker for Vulture at the old folks home
then gets Kraven out of Africa
who helps Goblin track down Sandman
and Doc Ock.
Electro & Spider-man olny dudes in masks!
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Dec 08, 2009 11:46:16 PM CST
Maybe it's all a bad joke re: her nose (which needs no knife)
by brandloyalist
The gorgeous Anne Hathaway rules for keeping her moderate schnoz and rejecting the standard issue Hollywood nose job. The explanation for why the Lizard is out sounds like utter BS, as does the too-perfectly-fan-enraging concept of changing Felicia Hardy's identity. This rumor does not pass the smell test (narf).
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Anne Hathaway as the Vulturess? What the fuck is a vulturess?
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I want to see a LIZARD vs SPIDER-MAN movie damn it!!!! Bring in KRAVEN if you want... but for Raimi to give into not doing the LIZARD based on not seeing his human face goes to show you that story isn't as important for these guys. They set up Doc Conners for christ sake. He's friends with Parker. You have all the great drama and tragedy there at your fingertips and you do this???? Out of all the rumors I've heard over the past 6 months on who is the main baddie - this is the worst one. And it's probably true!!
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in the freezer section of your comic shop
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could even go to Kingpin to get the hook up for some extra power. Cross-over with Michael Clarke Duncan. She gets extra agility, strength, whatever she needs to keep up with Spidey.
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A talking dinosaur is somehow odder-looking than a bald man with fucking wings attached to his arms? Goddamned suits. So goddamned stupid. And The Vultress? Fuuuuuuuuck yooooooooooooou! And early reports of this project (featuring The Lizard) sounded so good too...
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That movie was so bad that studios are even shying away from characters even kind of like her.
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Please God let this be studio disinformation. If this rumour takes hold and then Raimi delivers us that Kraven/Lizard movie he's gonna be a hero
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First off, I'm sure 50% of this rumor is BS. Secondly, I really could care less about the next SM film; the entire series has been a let down.
But I will take this time to defend the Vulture. "An old guy in a vulture suit is lame." As compared to what? A young guy wearing a symbiote or riding a flying skatebard? Those were fucking lame.
"But how is an old guy going to fight Spider-Man?" Um, because he has super-powers? No one doubted Magneto fighting the X-Men, Palpatine taking on Mace Windu or knocking around Luke, or thought Sauraman the White wasn't a force to be reckoned with. Shit, you guys could buy a 3' tall, 800-year old green puppet as the most powerful Jedi, but an older super-villain is hard to swallow?
And my last comment on old villains: John Huston in Chinatown, Lawrence Olivia in Marathon Man and Ian McKellan in Apt Pupil were all pretty decrepit looking in those films, but they were also dangerous, deadly, powerful and thuroughly evil.
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probably thinking of issue #7 of Amazing Spider-Man where Vulture busts out of the pen and later dangles Spidey far above the city, but SM webs up his wings and then creates a parachute of web. Great story.Now, the Vultress idea is idiotic. Just give us Hathaway as the Black Cat.They should just reboot with a new director, because Raimi is too campy for Marvel characters.
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live actioners if they'd only flesh out one in particular, and just show the many others in brief scenes or a montage here and there of the hero battling and defeating them. Easy fix to make the superhero universe not seem so sparse, yet not unbalancing the story.
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I've posted this before:Here's a comparison pic:http://tinyurl.com/yrq36zand, just for inspiration:http://tinyurl.com/5rtcuhhttp://tinyurl.com/57wt4bThe current MJ:http://tinyurl.com/6bu2b s'Nuff said!
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Hollywood doesn't give a shit about these characters
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Fool me once, shame on you, fool me twice, shame on me!
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issue #2.
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and casting
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Anne Hathaway's presence will make it a must though! She needs much nudity! I hear she endorses anal by the way!
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Seriously, just fuck off with Spidey movies.
We're sick of them.
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Seriously, who is that supposed to appeal to? As a fan, its exciting to think a fave characrter will appear, but a kick in the nuts when they bear no resemblance to the original. So thats me pissed. For a non fan, they don't care what the char's name is.So its not pandering to the fanbois, and gains nothing for the mass market either - so why do it?
See also
-most transformers in TF2
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I hope that whole 'Vulture/Vulturess' shit is just rumour, because it is terrible.
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In every way imaginable.
... and cast Dwayne Johnson.
Ian McShane has the facial look, but Kraven is not haggard and flabby ... tho it'd be awesome for his to slip into Swearengen-mode and call Spidey a "Cocksucker"
oh yeah: fuck no for Vultress or, alternatively, fuck YOU for Vultress
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... see Spiderman 3 yet. I didn't care much for Spiderman 2 and only heard frustration over 3, so I have little to no interest in 4....
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i mean, if i were a director and saw the negative backlash of this rumored casting(or character changes), i would put the breaks on and tell the suits to have a look and see that a move like this will KILL this franchise. not that fanboys should be allowed to write the stories, or cast the characters... but when a rumor causes this much fallout in the fanboy community, the men who are running the show need to listen up.
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...is surpassed only by Batman's, if you exclude teams. They have several better choices than Vulture, and no need to invent a character. I wonder if they are building to an Avengers-type Sinister Six team-up for Spiderman 6?
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Pygram would make a much more believeable Vulture than Malkovich. Hell, he looks like the Vulture when playing Scorpius on FARSCAPE.
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I remember having a Spiderman annual years ago and it featured the complete comic strip where Blackie Drago becomes the Vulture and teams up with Kraven to defeat Spidey. That's so much better than this turd of an idea.
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I think this is leaked bullshit, to get Spidey fans hyped. I hope it is.
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Not to be too arrogant, but there's a perfectly good, dramatic storyline that can be lifted straight out of the comics and would brilliantly on screen. Simply replace Vermin with the Lizard in Kraven's Last Hunt and the story practically writes itself. Best of all, Mary Jane's involvement is minimal, but has a few key scenes which would really elevate the material. So critically acclaimed pre-written thrilling storyline disregarded in favour of made up villainesses and hokey one note baddies who Spider-Man should have absolutely no problem in taking out. The worst thing is, I'll still watch it. Roll on Spider-Man 5 I guess...
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Seriously. The two villains approach has worked once - BATMAN RETURNS. (I'm not counting DARK KNIGHT as most of the time Two-Face isn't a villain in that movie.) The two villains has NOT worked in Batman Forever, Batman and Robin, and - most of all - in Spider-Man 3. IF YOU OVER-CROWD WITH VILLIANS YOU WON'T BE ABLE TO SPEND ENOUGH TIME WITH THE HERO. Fuck. Raimi's Spider-Man is totally boring anyway. Strike that: Superheroes are totally boring. I'm fucking fed up with them. We've had a good decade, starting with X-Men, ending with Watchmen. Can't we just fucking leave it there?
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after he threw his dolls out of his pram for Spidey 3 and intentionally made a shit movie, he just doesnt seem to care about this series anymore. I love Raimi, but ive grown to hate Raimi's Spider-man. i doubt ill be seeing this without a legion of rock solid decent reviews endorsing it.
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And thats Willam Dafoe resurected Goblin! Who wouldnt want to see that?
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and less like a goblin. Get rid of the green, too. Call him No Longer Green Not a Goblin, Man in a Powered Armor Suit.
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I actually think she's a great actress with huge potential, and probably a really nice person to boot. But have any of you noticed that for a woman in her 20s, she oddly has the breasts of a 48 year old?
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Very unlikely given JM passed on Green Goblin allowing dafoe through, and Raimi already cast Ben Kingsly as the Vulture for S3 so if its the Vulture why would he not be Kingsley this time?
Raimi decides to go with his first choice for Norman Osbourne for the Vulrue when his first choice for the Vultur is alredy signed?
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Vulturess? Seriously? No Lizard because a big budget superhero movie can't have monsters?
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LOL. I'm sure Hathaway appreciates you sticking up for her. Good job.
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Spider-Man 2 ranks one of the best Super-hero films. No crapfest like Spider-Man 3 is ever going to take that away.
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I'm glad you also have better taste in women than the people that want to objectify Hathaway, but I never once said it affects my moviegoing experience. Not sure where you got that from.And you can think alot of mistakes were made with the Spider-Man franchise, but it's all relative. Those films could have turned out really bad, but they were made grounded and believable by a director that believed in the source material. Were some mistakes made? Sure, but don't act like the majority of people hate the franchise because you're clearly wrong, and in the minority.
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So foot fetishists are perverts? I think you're using that term a little loosely. Are you one of those guys that thinks eating pussy is icky? Your wife/girlfriend is a lucky woman.
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There's webs and there's snaggleteeth.
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Oh no no no no.....
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in general, and will watch most Superhero films, even if I have no love for that particular hero. I am not a Spider-Man fan by any means:
Spider-Man - fun, entertaining film, but took for...ev...er to get going.
Spider-Man 2 - Bored me shitless.
Spider-Man 3 - A wet, half-baked abortion of a film.
Unfortunately, this news for Spider-Man 4 is just as depressing. The producers don't feel that 'The Lizard' is a credible villain, but are happy to have the villains in each previous film middle-aged men (not counting Venom - because Venom just didn't count!), and in the case of S-M 4 they're looking at having an old man as the villain. WTF is that all about?!
'The Vulturess'?! What a fucking completely redundant, lazy idea.
If they go with idea then - for me - this franchise is essentially dead.
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So if her left one was in your mouth right now, you'd be going "No, Anne! Away with you, you strange-breasted woman, you!"I think not, pilgrim.
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Does anyone WANT to see the Vulture? Everyone knows the villains should be Lizard AND Kraven. Not Vulture. Even the inclusion of Black Cat is stretching it. Now, instead of hoping for another SM2, we can expect something more like SM3.
And what's so "odd-looking" about a reptilian enemy? How many times in the last decade alone has CGI rendered authentic-looking reptiles and amphibian creatures? They coulda done it like a Prawn in District-9.
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Three movies, time to bring in some new blood. New Parker/Spider-Man, new director, new everything.
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We can only hope
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why not have rhino or electro or any other of spiderman's gay villains shit this thing up. The vulture and vulturess is a dumb fucking idea and yet again shows how FUCKING RETARDED the studios really are.
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Dude you nailed it great job. Wake up suits and get your head otta your asses. Mary E. Winstead for MJ would be like Robert Downey Jr. as Tony Stark. Perfect casting !
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WHY! WHY! NO BLACK CAT?! AND THE LIZARD NOT COMING IN BECUASE HE IS TOO ODD?! But HollyWood is ok with The Penguin in Batman Returns, Venom in Spider-man 3, It just makes no sense..........
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Dec 09, 2009 8:50:55 AM CST
Dunst MJ is a miserable clown. Winstead real happy MJ.
by damien chowder
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Dec 09, 2009 8:52:05 AM CST
In hindsight... Cloverfield should'a been a giant nekkid man.
by damien chowder
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We get the goofy bald dude w/ the flapflapflap thingie instead. O gee. Well, Malkovich is good casting for this, at least. Huh.
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...Lizard would be a fucking bad ass villian. That's it! I'm starting a petition.
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This is someone's idea of a sick joke, and I think even movie execs are smarter than to do this, so I'm calling bullshit on Movieline's "confirmed source."
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I think I'm in agreement (that it's a bogus tip). Vulture is bad enough (even if Malkovich plays him), but a "Vulturess?" No way. That sucks on a hundred different levels.
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I'm hoping to any higher power that will listen that the above rumor about Felicia Hardy is garbage. Stop changing characters into something the never were!
As for Malkovich as the Vulture, I'm on board for that. That could really be good.
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Needs to verify or tell us to disregard this nonsense!
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sorry, i mixed in two retorts on the one post. You did not say anything about the females affecting movie going experience, I was just adding that in as one of my reasonings. Hot or not actresses don't affect my film choices, but their performance sure as hell does.. Yeah, sure, I love to see good looking women who can act doing great in roles, but a great actress, who isn't so "HOT" can knock the role out of the park and make the film 100 times better. and I agree with PAWPRINT on his explanation of the Spidey movies, he is dead on.!!! OH, and I think the Vulture as a villain would be fine, nothing wrong with him, it's just the second part of it that I think a lot of people have the PROBLEM with.
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It's cool. I have no argument that Hathaway can act, she can, but my comment was a reaction to so many people saying how hot she is. I don't see it. Nice butt? Sure, but the rest of it is NOT there.I agree with you about the Vulture, I agree with you about the Vulturess. I'm not sure about Malkovich as the Vulture, I'd rather see Kingsley, but I trust Raimi to do the right thing because he's 2 for 3 on this franchise and I don't expect him to go 2 and 4. Especially now that he had a break with Drag me to Hell.
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get off the Nolan needs to do this and Nolan would do a better job, blah, blah fuckin' blah shit. You can do these movies many different ways. Ironman showed that you can take a character that isn't the mainstream, and tell a good story and have a pretty damn good movie. Take a closer look at Ironman, that movie had less "action" and way more story and building of the story to it, and was a smash. Tellin ya, they need to concentrate on story first, then let the other elements fall in. I am all for the Lizard story arc, would love to see a Kraven story, or even a Kraven/Lizard story that has been mentioned here, wouldn't mind the Vuture story (just no fuckin Vulturess)... just make it worthy, actually give a shit about it. I don't even mind a Venom story, or even another Green Goblin for fucks sake, just do it right. Take elements of the first X-Men, Ironman, the Dark Night even Hellboy, pay attention to the characters and do Spiderman true justice. But again, I caution you all, Sony owns this bitch, and I'd give it a 70% chance that they will clusterfuck the hell out of it.!!!
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AND BLACK CAT ONLY! NOT SOME FUCKING COCKAMAME! LAME AS VULTURES! ITS BAD ENOUGH U RAPED HARRY OSBORN AND LAME "NEW GOBLIN!" UGHH SONY UR FUCKING ASSHOLES ALONG WITH RAIMI!
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Oded Fehr has already been cast as Kraven, i think this is just a rumour on the "Grando Calrisian" levelThe script floating around contains Kraven and Lizard, dylan baker has already begun mo cap test for lizard and Oded Fehr costume tests leaked out 3 weeks ago and the actor said he wasn't allowed to talk about the signing yet untill sony made an official announcment
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there are BETTEr way HOTTER ACTRESSES! OUT THERE!
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there are BETTEr way HOTTER ACTRESSES! OUT THERE!
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To all the haters... Yes SP3 wasn't The Godfather Part 2, but Spiderman 2 was. In a word SP2 was "Brilliant." 2 is what you get when the suits at Sony leave you alone. 3 is what you get when the suits thought they were the reason 2 was a hit. Raimi is still a god, so leave the man alone and let him make a great movie. And by the way, besides Spiderman 3, has he made a bad movie? The Gift, A Simple Plan, Darkman, Evil Dead Trilogy? How soon you ADD kids forget, if you ever knew.
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Hardy as "Vultress?" Please. I thought it assinine that Stacy was brought onboard for the third film, which betrayed a massive sense of regret of missed opportunity on Raimi's part. I also believed that Raimi was strongarmed into including Venom against his better judgment. But if this "Vultress" angle is true, then he's lost all remaining goodwill I had left.
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your not impressing its LamE!
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hes Lost any good will i had HARDY IS BACKCAT! RAIMI AND SONY GO SUCK A DICK! AND NO MADE UP VULTRESS CRAP!
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WE DONT WANT KIRSTEN DUNST BACK AS MARYJANE! CHECK WE DONT WANT BLACK CAT TURNED INTO THE FUCKING VULTrESS! CHECK! WE DONT WANT THE FUCKING LAME MADE UP VULTRESS PERIOD! CHECK! WE WANT BLACK CAT OR FUCK OFF RAIMI!
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Dec 09, 2009 12:29:13 PM CST
And now, as a public service, I shall make Vulturess cool.
by jasonpratt
Starting in the topic line of the next post.
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By saying the suits forced venom in his movie. When it was in actuality his shitty direction that destroyed venom. spiderman 2 was vastly overrated and spidey 4 sounds doomed. i mean look at the dark knight and see if spidey 2 can even be discussed in the same sentence. Raimi c'mon man!
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Note to Raimi et al: giant female killer birds may be cool and even sexy. BUT VULTURES ARE UGLY BALD WRINKLY CARRION EATERS WITH BIG NOSES! Sarah Jessica Parker jokes are preemptively disqualified, as despite her nose she can in fact be sexy.
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Unofficial motto of some sorority back in college. Or so I heard.
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Dec 09, 2009 12:32:54 PM CST
"mmmm... I love to eat bugs for breakfast in the morning..."
by jasonpratt
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fuck off
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and maybe even better. Yeah, The Dark Knight was an incredible film, but not every superhero movie has to copy it to be good. You Dark Knight fanboys are ridiculous.
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It's no contest, really. IRON MAN is better than TDK.
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But giant human made out of sand and infected Foreman with evil moon virus is totally fine.
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RAMIM FUCKED UP SINCE THE BEGINNING TOBEY MAGUIRE WAS A SUCKY CHOICE FROM THE BEGINNING MADE EVEN MORE OBVIOUS IN S3 when i feLT TOPHER GRACE FELT AND SOUNDED & LOOKED EXACTLY HOW PARKER AND SPIDEY SHOULD HAVE! FUCK OFF RAIMI!
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I still say this Vulture/Vultress crap is bullshit. I'd wager it's either completely unfounded or not-so-sneaky disinformation (or possibly sneaky story concept testing).I'm certainly not as familiar with Spidey comics as some of you but I do recall the animated 70's series ("Spiderman, Spiderman, you're friendly neighborhood Spiderman" theme song origin) and I specifically recall Goblin, Electro, Sandman, The Lizard as villains. I think Kraven might be a little newer or I just never saw him (or they didn't use him) but the idea of having The Lizard and Kraven is just obvious at this point. And Dylan Baker MUST be the Lizard and I think any number of already suggested Kraven's would be perfect. To not give Baker this role would be a giant asshole maneuver on par with kicking toddlers in their fresh teeth.Storylines like this are always so ass-backwards...they'll have a property they want to franchise...say Dungeons & Dragons; and instead of going to the god damn MASS amount of fiction already in place and well loved (hint: Drizz'zt!!) they go with a brand new utterly derivative story seemingly written by 12 year olds in a summer camp creative writing assignment.In this case...just the *essence* of the characters practically tells the story if they used Lizard and Kraven but how much you want to bet someone will say "We don't see this playing on [insert audience stat] ages ## to ##, etc, etc..." and they'll go with the safe, geriatric, coffee-table bullshit we're so used too seeing from anti-creative assholes who only see $. I mean fuck...it's a cliche at this point...
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NO ONE AS THE VULTRESS. STUPID. A FEMALE VULTURE IS CALLED A VULTURE.
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for the Lizard.
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I thought D&D could have been a great franchise and the movie that they did make sucked shit, but I will say I don't think they should have went with any of the pre-existing books. I think the DragonLance series is just bad Tolkien pastiche, and I hate Drizz'zt (he is the Twilight character of D&D; he should glitter).
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Dec 09, 2009 2:06:09 PM CST
I don't think the studio execs would make such a stupid choice l
by rene_belloq_12inch_figure
AFTER SPIDER-MAN 3
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a Greyhawk movie, or Blackmoor. Yet any of the TSR settings such as those two and Dragonlance or Forgotten Realms, Dark Sun, Ravenloft, Planescape, etc. would be better served as their own series.D&D eponymous should've been an adaptation of the 80's cartoon.
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Black Cat the least character the spider-man franchise needs: kingpin, rhino, lizard, electro, mysterio even carnage. Spider-man. And Vultura, sounds fake it would be the biggest stupidity ever since combining the crimson dynamo with whiplash boo-yah.
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I think you come up with an original Campaign world because that way you have a little more creative freedom.
However you better make your setting just as interesting as Greyhawk, Blackmoor, Forgotten Realms, etc. I mean, after watching that movie gamers better want to go out and buy that campaign world and play it.
What they had in that film didn't feel like a campaign world or universe - it felt like the universe ended 3 feet beyond the camera's range. Fucking pathetic. -
Should have been just adaptations of classic modules?
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and looked horrible next to the Jackson LOTR movies. Bad timing.Yeah, I see what you are saying CO. But Greyhawk or Forgotten Realms would've been fine, as Gygax and Greenwood left plenty of room for interpretation / addition in those worlds. D&D needs at least some recognizable iconic stuff for the old school fans/players.
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cool. Or the original Queen of the Demonweb Pits. All of those modules are set in Greyhawk. ;-)Or go basic D&D and do Keep on the Borderlands.
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That is just too stupid. I can't believe Hathaway would do something so idiotic. She would be a good Felicia, and the Black Cat could be just what Spider-Man needs to freshen things up, certainly worked in the comic back in the day.
I actually think all of the Spider-Man movies are over-rated because they're just too childish. The non-Spider-Man parts make me want to hurl, except for when Aunt May comes onscreen at which time...urg to kill...rising. -
right in. None of this better be true. Kraven or nothing. why do these assholes continue to ruin my childhood. Vulturess..????..? Yeah right.
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If you want to bring this franchise back, forget the Vulteress and do Lizard like everyone wants.
COME ON!
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fucking fantastic movie. alright, SM3 sucked but I enjoyed the hellout of SM2, saw it 5 times at the cinema.
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Sorry, but Raimi's sophomoric SPIDERMAN 2 was nowhere near on par with the layered story and drama of THE DARK KNIGHT. The silly cinematography and framing right out of ARMY OF DARKNESS (closeups of cliche screaming nurses and every female lead) were groan worthy.
Also, the unnecessary over-explanation at the end was simply atrocious. A better ending - by far - would have been a dialogue-free vision of Mary Jane walking in to Peter's apartment just as Harry walked into his father's goblin lair. Fade to black.
But nooooooo...
We were treated to 10 minutes of additional footage explaining what was happening to the lowest-common denominator that couldn't otherwise "get" the obvious.
If we look at THE DARK KNIGHT, the story and the whole persona of the Joker were utterly amazing. So perfectly realized. Not even a Joker origin. We're left wondering how he came to be because it wasn't important. He was what he was and that was enough. Simply amazing choices throughout. Rewatch the movie just for the dialogue and it becomes something akin to PULP FICTION. While I disagree with the rationale that Batman had to become a villain, it was nothing short of brilliant in execution. There has never been a superhero movie this layered that dares to go to such depths to tell a truly heroic tale. I can't even guess when another might come along to top this. WATCHMEN tried, but it didn't quite realize this same level of drama or impact. -
Keep at the Borderland would be awesome. The Cave of the Minotaur could have been an amazing sequence.
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Dec 09, 2009 2:55:51 PM CST
SPIDERMAN 4 would be an easy setup if they had ANY brains at all
by ninpobugei
SPIDERMAN 4 should be about a 1-on-1 with Kraven. It would force Spiderman/Peter to mature as a superhero and as a man. The Lizard would make for a good prop throughout the movie, forcing Spiderman to make some difficult choices and to face fear and real danger.
Then, when he's seemingly conquered his foes and all seems right with the world...enter Carnage (who comes into being when Doc Connors changes into the Lizard and knocks over the jar with the remaining piece of Venom in Doc Connors' lab). Fade to black.
SPIDERMAN 5 would then show a more mature and experienced Spiderman battling Carnage with Mary Jane's life hanging in the balance. While smug and self-assured from his victory over Kraven and the Lizard, he makes arrogant mistakes and is forced by circumstance to choose between saving Aunt May and Mary Jane. Believing he can save them both, he loses the love of is life. Wicked movie.
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Amazing indeed!
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Save the Black Cat for SPIDERMAN 5...she could become kind of a love interest/temptation. Peter would be attracted to her, but in love with Mary Jane (even though he can't relate to her since she's normal and can't experience what it's like to be a superhero, whereas the Black Cat can...plus she can keep up with him).
When he fails to save Mary Jane by film's end, there's the Black Cat! While he's grieving for Mary Jane and guilty over her death, he doesn't immediately jump into the Black Cat's arms...but we're left with the idea that in future movies they'll be together. The End. -
Take away Ledger and it's just a decent movie. The twoface character made no sense and Bale was unnoticeable other than the annoying voice.
Spiderman 2 was incredible, but this whole Vulture/Vulturess thing sounds awful.
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If I were to have my way. This is how I'd play Spider-Man 4 out. Peter is married to Mary Jane and everything is going smoothly. Peter Meets Felicia Hardy and She becomes the wrench in Peter and MJs marriage. Felicia, using her father's wealth is slowly making a name for herself as a for hire burglar and takes up the persona of The Black Cat. Meanwhile, Curt Connors botches an experiment to restore his arm and becomes the Lizard, rampaging across the city. This causes a distraction amongst police and spider-man to allow the Black cat to expand her Crime Syndicate by hiring on other animal themed cohorts and pull off a bigger heist. The Rhino as her Muscle and The Tarantula as her partner in crime. The Local Authorities hire an Outside Merc to take out the Lizard known as Kraven the Hunter, but Spider-Man stands in his way, as he discovers its his good friend Dr. Connors. Strike 1 for Spidey in Kraven's book. Next Spidey comes across The Black Cat's band of thieves and upon discovering that Felicia is actually the black cat, allows Rhino and Tarantula to get the jump on him. Beating Spidey Senseless, Kraven steps in to Save Spidey and kills Rhino and Tarantula. He is about to strike a death blow to The Black Cat and Spidey Stops him as he wont allow Felicia to be killed (killing is wrong, etc.) Strike 2 for Spidey in Kravens book, Kraven takes strength supplements to compete with Spidey's and goes mad with Rage. The Lizard Comes by and shakes things up, allowing Spidey and Black Cat to escape. The Lizard bests Kraven and quickly gets away. Spidey puts Felicia in the custody of Police and Returns home to find Kraven had kidnapped, not just Mary Jane, but Dr Connors Family as well (who have no idea that Doc is the Lizard). Developing a formula from Doc Connors research, he sets out to save everyone and face down Kraven. Using The Lizard as a Distraction Spidey takes out Kraven and hits the Lizard with the serum to revert the lizard back to Doc Connors. Happy Ending, Everyone saved. Felicia Hardy's father vows revenge on Spidey for locking up his daughter. becomes the Vulture for Spidey 5. Fried Gold.
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I'd like to see Spider-Man fight someone who actually knows how to fight, as opposed to the businessman/scientists he's been fighting the whole time. Someone like Kraven.
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He is such an untalented hack which his (and Nicolas Cage's) ability to find work only
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Dec 09, 2009 3:32:22 PM CST
The suits are hypocritical pieces of shit and more importantly,
by axelfoley
Let's not forget the Sandman in Spider-Man 3 (AKA The Shit One).
In the comics, Sandman NEVER FUCKING EVER! TURNED INTO A 100 FOOT TALL VERSION OF HIMSELF.
Those idiot suits think that's more credible on film, but Lizard isn't? And Campbell--I thought he was going to have a MAJOR role in this one--with many speculated that he himself would be cast as a villain. Oh my fuck. -
We get our ideas together and we got a winning 2-picture deal (lol).
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(1) SPIDERMAN 2 was sophomoric compared to THE DARK KNIGHT. Sorry, but there's just no comparison between the two.
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What the hell is up with him stopping an entire train by himself???
Then, he's this powerful BUT can sock Doc Ock in the face (who is a normal man aside from his robotic semi-sentient mechanical arms)???
Give me a friggin' break! This combined with Raimi's EVIL DEAD-like filming quality just cheapened the entire film, making it seem a lot more childish than it otherwise might have been. Overall, a big disappointment. -
why Sam? Didn't you learn your lesson with Spider-Man 3? Changing things pisses everyone off. Felicia Hardy is Black Cat not fucking Vulturess. Who the fuck is Vulturess? John Malkovich is a good pick for the Vulture, but they should have gone with a Curt Connors/Lizard storyline. I for one will wait for DVD, fuck seeing this at theaters.
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thanks I didn't know about the sony stuff, that makes sense but it would be cool.
I agree about Spidey2 being sophomoric, especially compared to TDK, but I think it's supposed to be that way. Spiderman isn't Batman, he doesn't need to be "dark" and when they tried to go that route in part 3 they failed miserably and almost killed the franchise.
I thought TDK was one the best movies I ever saw on first viewing but after a few times I realized it was mostly Ledger. If it's on tv now I'll just flip over for the joker scenes. The entire twoface plot just felt rushed, they should have spread that out over two movies. -
Going to the supermarket and they're giving out samples of your favorite chocolate, but instead they give you poop, so you taste it and even though you're a fan of the chocolate if they give you a sample of poop, you're gonna hate that chocolate brand. And you are going to tell all the people not to eat the chocolate because it tastes like poop now. So all the fans of the original brands are hating on the poop chocolate so you have the original fans of the chocolate pissed off. And then nobody is going to like your chocolate.
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Two Face was essentially wasted as a character, but overall I thought it worked. It would have been nice had they carried him over, but I can't see any other cinematic ending to that movie. It all just worked. And the dialogue between the Joker and Harvey/Two-Face and with Batman at the end were excellent. Rewatch TDK and just listen to all the dialogue and how it ties up the rest of the movie. Also, the supporting cast were all excellent - Lucius Fox, Alfred, even Rachel (though I think they should have stuck with Katie Holmes since Maggie Gyllenhaal brought nothing special to the table)
I liked the *idea* of SPIDERMAN 3. I thought the story was good, but the execution fell flat...Venom was a waste, Sandman monster at the end was a ridiculous contrivance, and Emo Peter was a little on the dumb side (esp. the dance number...ugh!). Reminded me of X-Men 3...good story, good characters, but bad execution overall and a definite missed opportunity. -
as a bad guy. willem dafoe was bad too...manly face..girly voice.
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as a bad guy. willem dafoe was bad too...manly face..girly voice.
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Xiphos agrees, too, so you KNOW it's gotta be golden. Mammaries, of course, wanted it to be a horde of Goats--
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No one... I mean, NO ONE... on that train had a camera in their cell phone? No one?!Hollowood actors and their egos.
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VULTRESS OR ANY MADE UP CRAP CHARACTER THEY WOULD MAKE FELICIA INTO IS THE EQUIVALENT OF A SHIT SANDWICH! FUCK U RAIMI AND SONY! KEEP HER THE BLACK CAT!!!
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So true that was Spidey 2's Biggest Fail and long with watered down Soft Bitch Doctor Octopus!!!
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would finally step up and show their faces in Smallville so Superman can smack them around.
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The single biggest failure of Spiderman Two was in turning the character into a fucking coward!
That scene where Tobey just sheepishly buries his head and shambles away while an old guy is getting beat up in an alleyway?!? Yeah, he didn't have his powers, But isn't he supposed to be y'know a hero? There are PLENTY of examples of him trying to save people without his powers in both the books and the animated series. The Peter of the comics WOULD have intervened, even if it got him a beating in the process.. Fricken selfish motherfucker doesn't even go to get help! And this is the guy who's supposed to have learnt something from the last time he walked away from a criminal act?
All the idiots that worship at the alter of this film are obviously as clueless about what makes the character work as Sam Fuckin Raimi is. He turned the most likeable character in comics into a slow witted, moronic, selfish little asshole, and they lap it all up just because the special effects guys excelled themselves on the fight scenes.
The Dark Knight may be over-rated but it shouldn't even be mentioned in the same breath as Raimi's fuck ups. The guy coasted along on success from films that was largely due to Bruce Campbell, and then had the nmost insane bit of luck in landing the Spider-man franchise, where he could fuck up all he pleases and still bank in the money from everyone wanting to see the most likeable comic book charcter on screen. I really hope he gets to make this piece of crap, so people can see maybe start seeing that the faults of the 3rd movie (Peter's ridiculous emo dance routines) were pure Raimi. And he can stop getting a pass by blaiming Avi Arad for it all. I mean do you guys really believe S3 would have been better with the Vulture instead of Venom? If it had been up to Raimi you'd never have seen Venom anywhere in the series. And I bet that this fuck up with Felicia is just another display of Raimi's arrogant contempt for any villain that appeared after the 60es.. -
We need Anne Hathaway in a Black Cat outfit, and that's that!
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Is that why they are saying they want a villain that appears more "human"? Dylan Baker can't be the reason. You gotta figure if they did the Lizard, that most of the time, he'd be in Lizard form so whoever plays him when he's human is not really the part to be concerned with.
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She looks just like Kirsten in INSTINCT TO KILL, but with better knobs
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you're bitching about something that is addressed in the movie. Parker realises that his mask is off and they FUCKING TELL HIM THAT THEY WON'T REVEAL HIS IDENTITY!!!!!! Because he just saved their lives.
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Black Cat and Lizard are far better than Ben Kingsley- I mean Vulture. And what the fuck do you have against Rhino? Venom was as fake as shit looking. Why not go for broke and at least give the fans what they want.
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Dec 09, 2009 8:37:08 PM CST
at least horror fans want you to get back to Evil Dead... SM fan
by brannagins law
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If you smoke a doobie and say that you'll laugh your nuts off. Actually that's just laugh-nut material as it is.
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Dec 09, 2009 11:13:33 PM CST
Wait, did subtitles_off write "…'Iron Man is better than 'TDK…"
by blakindigo
Ladies and gentlemen, the world has stopped making sense…
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He is a huge, HUGE, Batman fan from the comic book. And as much as some people like Nolan's version, it is not the most faithful version, especially to die hard old Batman fans.
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Dec 10, 2009 12:03:37 AM CST
The question is: HOW DO I BOYCOTT A FILM I WOULD NEVER SEE?
by drdoom_v
At least it's good to know that studios make dumb and dumber decisions when it comes to comic book films. Morons
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everything NOT look like an Alex Ross painting? I truly love his work and all that, but the realities of turning those images into a live-action movie just don't work. Look at "Batman: Dead End," it was a fun fan film at the time, but it doesn't feel believable. I think it was Frank Miller of Howard Chaykin that said, most comic books have an 'incorrect view of how the world operates' (this was in the 80's and "The Dark Knight Returns" and "The Shadow: Blood and Judgement" weren't released yet. With that in mind the only perfect adaptations of superhero material directly from the comic books would be animated.I just don't think the 'Sherlock Holmes' analogy works for me.
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for the LIZARD.
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I mean is it so much to ask that everything NOT look like an Alex Ross painting? I truly love his work and all that, but the realities of turning those images into a live-action movie just don't work. Look at "Batman: Dead End," it was a fun fan film at the time, but it doesn't feel believable. I think it was Frank Miller or Howard Chaykin that said, most comic books have an 'incorrect view of how the world operates' (this was in the 80's and "The Dark Knight Returns" and "The Shadow: Blood and Judgement" weren't released yet). There are too many legal and social conditions that would prohibit superhero behaviour and make it the most dangerous 'hobby' in the world. With that in mind the only perfect adaptations of superhero material directly from the comic books would be animated.
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could be truly frightening. Why would they avoid this opportunity?
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Gerard Butler: Kraven
Mark Hamil: The Lizard
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hamil. as voice.....cg body/face
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Dec 10, 2009 1:22:36 AM CST
(1) SPIDERMAN 2 was sophomoric compared to THE DARK KNIGHT.
by spider_neil
jaysin420...
by ninpobugei Dec 9th, 2009
04:08:37 PM
(1) SPIDERMAN 2 was sophomoric compared to THE DARK KNIGHT. Sorry, but there's just no comparison between the two.
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bullshit!! that's your opinion it isn't a fact. the action is far better in SM2 (my opinion) there are some tender moments that I absolutely loved in SM2. TDK is more intence but goes on way too long (my opinion)
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for the love of god above, let this be fake! i've been dying to see the lizard on screen since the original story for spiderman 2 featured him AND doc ock! i've been sooooo disappointed, especially with the excuses that "it's just another scientist turned evil villain." what the fuck do they think spiderman is? it's scientist and journalism for godssake! freaking reptilian characters get absolutely no fucking justice man. no fucking justice. i can guarantee all of you that if the lizard is not the villain in this movie, i will not watch it PERIOD! raimi already fucked up the entire series by having "with great power comes great responsibility" a lie (cant blame that one on arad), but i was hyped up when dylan baker announced his return. the guy's a genius actor and supposedly the best thing about trick 'or treat (havent seen it yet). if raimi fucks this up, i hope he gets ass-raped by one million colossal man-sized dicks ram-jammed in his anus all at the same time, while being forced to watch tim and eric for all eternity. that's true hell, my friends!
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...lets make a two hour movie that is nothing more than Anne Hathaway and Heather Graham naked and going at it! I'd stand in line for that one!
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I wonder if the Vultress is the suits idea? or making Venom in SM3 some stupid preppy was theirs too?
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Personally, I think many peoples problem with TDK (including Subs and I guess myself) is that it took itself way too seriously. The more realistic and important it took itself, the more I was reminded how ridiculous this is: it is a man in a friggin bat suit fighting crime with only his fist and never killing. Sorry, but no matter what I can not see that subject matter get the Godfather treatment.
This isn't a knock at the people who did love it - more power to them. Just me personally the more you make Batman realistic the harder it is to suspend my disbelief.
And instead of the Holmes analogy imagine someone who grew up on the Adam West and 50s-60s Batman. As much as we can argue that the darker, less corny Batman is better, you will never convince him. Batman is his mind should be campy, just like how maybe he thinks Abe Lincoln should be presented as noble. Anything else is a misrepresentation of their character.
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Dr. Connors is Peter Parker's professor. The guy who let pete off the hook caus octavious was a buddy. Remember? I totally forgot about that shit. HE IS FUCKING LIZARD. Curt Connors: The LIZARD. completely slipped my mind. IMDB says he is returning for the 4th spidey movie. Possible set up for the 5th?
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I almost stood up and cheered. That was legend wait for it dary.
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You're bitching that I'm bitching. I'm not. I liked SM2. Doesn't mean it didn't have any lame scenes.Then you bitch that I didn't understand the scene. Yeah, I heard A FEW of the characters say they wouldn't blab, but I didn't hear ALL of them say that. And we all know that all people everywhere always keep their word. ::eyeroll::Doesn't matter. It was a lame, lame scene that was inserted only to feed the ego of the actor playing the character. Did you even read my post?
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If I recall correctly, the kingpin was the villain in the shit-tacular Daredevil. So unless they bring back daredevil to bridge the two franchises, Kingpin will stay with Ben Affleck and Daredevil
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They need to put the kick ass back in spiderman. cut the constant back and forth conflict of love between MJ and Peter. They need to throw in a villain that is Infamous and dastardly but Not a part of the Sinister 6. Carnage maybe? (they should do that to give the venom subplot from SM3 justice) or possibly the Punisher and Carnage. THEN...They need to develop the sinister 6. Bring Doc. Octopus back. Doc. Ock shows up in hollywood and meets up with Quinten Beck.....then the duo kill off Flint Marko's wife and daughter and frame spiderman or the police or something. The trio begin recruiting. Kraven, Rhino, Scorpion!( it would generate the amount of buzz that THE AVENGERS is getting)
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Dammit, why not just have a throw down with the LM in the pre-title credits? It could be Aliens cool and dark.
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Hell this is what i wanna see. (Opens on Quinten Beck getting mocked by his colleagues on a movie set. Beck walks into the prop room and there is a man sitting there. Doc. Ock. encourages him to blow up the sound stage and so he does.) Then Act 1 begins. Carnage is born. Spidey vs Carnage. Bad assery ensues. Act 2: Spidey vs Carnage concludes with carnage being incapacitated and captured. LIZARD is born. Act 3: Doc ock and mysterio kill Sandman's family and then go to him and offer him sanctuary within the sinister 6. Spiderman and Lizard meet...battle briefly but are interrupted by Doc. Ock, Sandman. Mysterio. CLIFFHANGER.....Bring in Hob Goblin. and Kraven
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The only reason people hate the dark knight is because they saw it 4 times in the theater then bought the Blu-Ray, watched it every day for a week, and then that weekend threw a dark knight party, had all of their friends over. watched it again with them. Then on monday discovered the Blu-Ray live. After all that they found out that The Dark Knight wasn't so exciting anymore. Any time a masterpiece is viewed constantly like that, it begins to lose its novelty. It is very rare that overexposure to a work like that doesn't begin to ware on you.
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Sorry if I'm in the minority here, burt putting Carnage on film is a collossal waste of time. SM3 proved that Venom is a one note villan, which makes Carnage about a half-note. Non-comic reading audiences wouldn't even be able to tell the difference between the two, so why bother?
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I agree with you on the possible confusion between Venom and Carnage....but i think that it would set things right for the massive amounts people that felt jipped with venom in SM3. Carnage is the evil twisted villain that this franchise needs to be its savior. and for all those people who wanted that savior to be Venom, might be able to find some solace in Carnage. but the future of these movies need to take a hint from TDK. Dont kill off your Arch Nemesis! I hated it in SM2, SM3, and Fantastic 4 (you shouldn't be able to defeat Dr. Doom) So in order to save this i really do believe they need to flesh out the Sinister 6. Bring back the villains that you sent off. Sandman, Doc. Ock. and you cant do that in Spiderman 4, it would take up an entire movie itself. Use an expendable baddie. Use Carnage to generate a spark back in this series. and to tell you the truth,IDK how does one make spiderman 1 without doc ock? when I think spidey i think doc ock. then venom. then the lizard. then hobgoblin. I think of sandman just about last. I think of green goblin just about last. I read alot of the comic books, watched the cartoons. But for those who dont know anything about the character Carnage....you explain it to them through the story. Character Development! If carnage looks cool in the trailer, people will see it. I still remember the warm flush that engulfed me when I saw venom in the SM3 trailer. the high hopes i had for him. The giant letdown i experienced in the theater. For me I really really really believe that this series needs a "Temple of Doom" or even more so an "Empire Strikes Back" . Carnage will keep me ocupied ans they lay the groundwork for the future of Spiderman
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I do think as well, that Lizard needs to happen in SM4. I liked the second villain development in TDK. And would have liked it in SM3 if venom lived to fight another day in SM4. So if they begin to overwhelm spidey with a vast number of villians, we can feel a bit uncertain about his fate. Pull off a cliffhanger. People will go see another spidey no matter what
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Wait... Huh? Why would Sandman want 'refuge with Doc Ock and Mysterio if they just iced his family??? Admit it. If Raimi put that kind of flawed storytelling up on the screen, you people would never let him live it down!
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Actors want to show off that they're the ones acting. This is blatantly true for all Spiderman movies. (See also Fantastic Four and Chiklis.) The mask has to at least be retractable or removable during the climactic fight. The Lizard _isn't_ a mask, and so the actor cannot have his/her climactic acting moment during the fight. The fact that the Lizard has more pathos for an actor than most anyone else in the Rogue's Gallery means nothing. It's a CGI or a suit--they can't see my face for the big finale--waaahhh... (Dylan Baker pipes up desperately from the background, "I don't care! I can make it work! I don't have to be seen as the actor during the climactic--" "SHUT UP PEON! ONLY PEOPLE WE HAVE TO PAY LARGE AMOUNTS OF MONEY TO CAN BE MAJOR VILLAINS! THAT'S WHAT PEOPLE WANT TO SEE, NOT US PUTTING THAT MONEY TO MORE AWESOME EFFECTS PER MINUTE ALONG WITH PERFECTLY FINE ACTORS WITH NO EGOS HOBBLING THEM!! FEH! {spit}"
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Dec 10, 2009 5:14:09 PM CST
Also, I weep that we didn't join together to create coolness for
by jasonpratt
It's probably the only enjoyment we'll ever get out of that concept, one way or another, y'know... {g} (Whether it's fake or real. I'm praying for fake...)
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See previous comment for explanation.
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Thanks for the vote of confidence there. If anything, this thread has actually cheered me up a little, in that I can see that there are at least some folk here who can see the flaws in these movies. It's such a shame though that the character's been so poorly served by this film series. As egotistical as James Cameron may be, I still think we really lost out on something special when he didn't start off the Spiderman movies. I'm certainly sure that at the very least he would have started them off with a better cast than Raimi did. And Spidey would have been a more kick ass, (And probably funnier)character too, much like his comic incarnation. Ah, what might have been..
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I agree with you. Plus: Dylan Baker isn't THAT well known although he appeared in the previous ones, whereas Dafoe, Molina and Hayden-Church had a well-earned status as character actors before. Baker has always been kinda indie.
So... since there haven't been any negative responses from Sony, i guess there' something awfully true to the rumours... -
omfg that is soooooo cool
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Obviously if this news is legit SM4 will be absolutely atrocious, but I'd like to make the case that Rami never REALLY got it right anyway. I love the first two movies but looking back now, they're like a guilty pleasure. There are some great action scenes and the sight of Spidey swinging over NY is always thrilling, but Raimi's soap-opera dialogue is just laughable and the story-telling cliche.
Someone mentioned above spidey being actually wise-cracking and sarcastic as he should be. If you think about it, it'll probably never happen because Maguire can't deliver these lines convincingly. This guy always looks like he's floating around half-asleep in these movies. It's been said before but it should be said again TOPHER GRACE SHOULD HAVE BEEN SPIDERMAN. Sad how his career seems to have gone down the toilet while Maguire still gets quality scripts albeit - IMO- undeservedly.
As for the TDK comparaisons, while they may be very different in style and content, TDK shits over SM2 any day of the week. Superior cast, story etc. -
I saw TDK only once and found it good, not great. I give it a B+ (had potential to be an A-).
And no offense, I don't want Carnage within a country mile of this series. I hate him just like I hate Venom. IMO they are two of the lamest super-villains ever; all attitude, no personality or depth.
But don't take that as an insult. I freely admit it might be a generation gap; I grew up with a different era of Spider-Man (70s & 80s). -
TOPHER GRACE IS HEADLINING THE NEW PREDATOR MOVIE WITH ADRIEN BRODY DIRECTED BY ROBERT RODRUIGUEZ! and if Raimi was SMART! ( which hes NOT) TOPHER WOULD BE RECAST AS SPIDEY! OR RETURN AS VENOM!
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sounds like shit.
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Claude Rains in the Invisible Man, Kabuki theater, ancient Greek theater, all animation. Heck, right now, the Road Warrior is on my television and the Great Lord Humongous is better than ever. :)
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IT NEEDS MORE FACE!
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Anne in spandex with huge cleavage sounds really nice... But I think this all bullshit... She won´t be in SM4 nor even John Malkovich... And Vultress it´s too stupid, beat even Stiltman or Paste Pot Pete...not true
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We live in a world where The Dark Knight and Iron Man are our biggest and most popular super hero movies of late. When you compare TDK to Spiderman, realize they were made 6 years apart. Spiderman the first superhero movie to emerge after 9/11. The general audience needed a hero that was fun and unrealistic. An escape if you will. Now we have Antihero movies like watchmen and V for Vendetta. We also have movies with deep seeds in chaos and destruction(TDK) and terrorism(IronMan). Now for Raimi, his game has changed. The writing will need to improve and the story needs more emphasis on the villain. Because honestly everyone knows Peter Parker has problems by now. Look at the many scenes in TDK when the Joker completely stole the show! So unless someone finally finishes off Aunt May or if Peter marries Mary Jane...they dont need to focus on peter's issues at all.
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A book can be written on just how retarded that line sounds.
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RAIMI DONT COME BACK!
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