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Jamie Foxx Is Definitely Electro For THE AMAZING SPIDER-MAN 2!!
The Kidd here...
Lost in all of the talk yesterday about Dane DeHaan becoming Harry Osborn for THE AMAZING SPIDER-MAN 2 is further confirmation that Jamie Foxx is indeed on-board for Marc Webb's Spidey follow-up to play one of the film's villains (you never know... there could be more in the plans with the Osborn family factoring in more prominently as the series progresses). There had been word about a month ago that Foxx was in talks to give fans their first glimpse at Electro on the big screen, and indeed that looks to be the case with Foxx's name quietly popping up on the press release announcing DeHaan's casting.
Just his inclusion in the press release would have been enough to put two and two together with that prior knowledge, but Foxx went above and beyond by confirming to Entertainment Tonight that Electro is all his for THE AMAZING SPIDER-MAN 2, offering up some small tidbits of how he'll come into play for the next Spidey chapter.
"Electro is a great character. I met with the director, Mark Webb, I met with Andrew Garfield, and we talked. I think Electro will be an exciting character to play because he's a … genius electrician-type person, and he gets the short end of the stick from the whole world, and the next thing you know he turns it on."
Back in the comics, Max Dillon was an electrical engineer repairing a power line when he was struck by lightning, giving him the power to manipulate electrical currents. He then used his abilities to become a criminal after killing off a thug who came looking to collect on a loan that was past due.
I can easily see this backstory coming to life in cinematic form, and I am curious to see Foxx's take on the villain - one of the few things that might actually grab my interest in THE AMAZING SPIDER-MAN 2 - but I hope they're not going to try to wedge Dillon's predicament into some type of personal connection with Peter Parker... like he's Aunt May's electrician or something, taking Peter on as some sort of apprentice while he looks for more information about his parents. One of my biggest problems with the first firlm - outside of how untrue to Spidey it was - was how small it made that world feel by jamming all of these characters forcefully together into one arc.
-Billy Donnelly
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Dammit
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I can't take credit for that one, saw it on the other thread, so good it had to be said twice !
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Dec. 4, 2012, 8:58 a.m. CST
Fuck Jamie Foxx, Fuck Electro, fuck this stupid unnecessary reboot
by baronweazle
Fucking waste of the talents of Andrew Garfield and Emma Stone.
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That is one of the main reasons Wild, Wild West sucked, nobody could buy a black James West. This isn't a racist viewpoint, it's a realistic viewpoint. The only time this works is when it's a character most people are unfamiliar with, like Heimdall.
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but Martin Sheen sucked in the first one (how??) so....
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Dec. 4, 2012, 9:04 a.m. CST
Is this going to be Jammie Foxx as Electro or Jammie Foxx as Ray Charles playing Electro? Because the 2nd one would be golden!
by Drew
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Understand?
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Maybe the start of a Marvel / DC crossover. Gotta love when they started bussing in superheroes to Hall of Justice. http://www.blackactionfigure.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/11/sad.jpg
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Was alright,but could not get through it a 2nd time.Just an unnecessary reboot and with the casting of Jaime Foxx I have even less interest.
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Hurry Kidd, before Harry decides to yank this article as well for not sucking up to Sony enough.
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I made a handy chart for figuring out how racist it is: http://www.cinemabums.com/?p=306
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.....was horrible. And you just got..... . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . ............coxxed!!!!
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Dec. 4, 2012, 9:09 a.m. CST
Wait a minute....isn't Electro white??? And isn't Jamie Foxx black??? WHAAAAA???? :P
by Dogmatic
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Dec. 4, 2012, 9:12 a.m. CST
Have no problem with black electro so long as we get a white black panther
by UltraTron
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if harry becomes the green goblin my guess is his battle cry will be..."just let your sooooooooooul glooooow" while fighting spiderman
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Now shine Harry's wheels.
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But was there ever a good comic that featured Electro as the villian. Think of Spider-Man baddies you think of Green Goblin, Doctor Octopus, Hobgoblin, Venom, Vulture, Lizard, Mysterio, Kraven, Sandman, Chamleon, Rhino, Jungernaut, and then Electro. Probably the shittiest "main villian" next to Molten Man.
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Not in today's world.
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wow, that quote instills a lot of confidence that Foxx can play a "genius-type person". Yikes.
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I think Anders Holm has the chops to pull it off.
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Always getting the short end of the stick. Electro, the Genius Electrician Person: Ma'am, this outlet needs rewiring, it CURRENTLY has no power feeding to it. Customer: You mother fucker, go shit! *pokes him with the end of a very short stick* Electro, the Genius Electrician Person: Damn lady, guess what...my mistake...I just TURNED IT ON! *ZAP*
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Dec. 4, 2012, 9:25 a.m. CST
Shouldn't even big stars screen test for these roles? You know, in case they're crap?
by Gary Makin
Just a thought.
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Dec. 4, 2012, 9:26 a.m. CST
Amazing Spiderman was far better than Raimi's goofy shit ...
by Judge Briggs
Don't miss the Mighty Morphin Power Rangers mask ... Macy Gray singing ... Kirsten Dunst .... etc, etc ... Webb's version is much better ... less campier. IMHO.
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Dec. 4, 2012, 9:26 a.m. CST
THIS POST WILL BE REPLACED FOR LACK OF CONTEXT IN 3.... 2.... 1.....
by IDIOTMAGNET
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Dec. 4, 2012, 9:27 a.m. CST
"Untrue to Spidey?" As with everything Donnelly writes, I disagree.
by The Real McClane
It had some odd variations on his origin, sure, but come on, that was the Spider-man I know and love from the comics. I love both films, but I commend Webb for doing something new. If you want to do a WATCHMEN style, panel-to-panel recreation, I guess that would be pretty true to the character, but everybody's already seen & read that story a thousand times. I was delighted to see the new take. But opinions are like assholes; everybody's got one. And you can always count on reading Donnelly's... On every goddamn thing he writes. I guess when you break news you have the right to sling around negative quips. Carving that niche has to be gratifying, but sometimes I just want to read the motherfucking news. Since this is a talkback, my asshole opinion is that Foxx's casting is bizarre, untraditional and balls-out awesome. Can't wait to see what happens next. Also, can't wait to get my friends fucked up with our "every time Donnelly hates something, take a shot" drinking game. Last month my cousin almost died from alcohol poisoning.
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Dec. 4, 2012, 9:31 a.m. CST
Webb's version is much better ... less campier...uhh no
by Samuel Fulmer
Garfield played Parker like Rain Man, Emma Stone was playing Emma Stone, Dennis "I'm an asshole" Leary looked like he just stepped off the set of Rescue Me, Sally Field was on downers (so yeah I guess maybe she was less campy because she showed no emotion), Library fighting scene with Stan Lee wearing head phones, and by far the dumbest thing, the scene where spidey saves the kid and puts his mask on him.
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Dec. 4, 2012, 9:31 a.m. CST
If by less campier you mean looked like a dull made for TV movie
by Samuel Fulmer
Sure!
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I will agree the Goblin outfit was silly.. but Dafoe sold it. The 15 seconds of Macy Gray? Why? But those are speed bumps in an overall solid movie. Webb's version was more consistent.. consistently dull with occasaional good bits.. and what with the campy geico lizard villain?
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Makes the shit in Spider-Man 3 look absolutely quaint in it's stupidity.
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Those last two sentences had me laughing out loud at work. Nice job!!
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Dec. 4, 2012, 9:36 a.m. CST
Amazing Spider-Man was needed. The Raimi films were good for their time, but don't hold up, plus SM3 fucked everything up.
by DidntPullOutInTimeCop
Not to mention the switch of Mary Jane/Gwen Stacy, what was that about?
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Although I would take comic book camp over emo Parker any day. But both films had their merits and faults.
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Dec. 4, 2012, 9:40 a.m. CST
I'm excited about Electro, but I'll be going into this one with the same trepedation I did with The Amazing Spider-Man.
by Wcwlkr
Granted that because my expectations were incredibly low, I came out enjoying the movie. But yes I really hated the retelling of the origin, and especially the execution of it. They seriously missed out on Uncle Ben beating around the bush to simply say WITH GREAT POWER COMES GREAT RESPONSIBILITY. I mean it was right there for you, to have that last voice mail make that simple but powerful remark that we all know shapes who Spider-Man is.
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but the hubub over Jamie Foxx as Electro...it's racist. You can't convince me as a 25 year old male imbued into comic culture since i was a kid, that anyone other than the most hardcore of fans, and the most pedantic of comic book lovers care about Electro being black. There is absolutely nothing about him that is inherently white, this isn't James Bond or Batman, who has white money, white upbringing and a strong heavy following spread over a huge franchise spanning decades....If either of these characters were made black, THEN it's political correctness bullshit, but Electro? a second/third tier AT BEST villain...and some people actually in 2012 have the gall to seriously complain that he is a black person? To me it IS racist, because if it's not then it's still offensive to me as a film fan, that people would be so idiotically petty in their championing of minute superficial details, that if not abided by then clearly studios have no idea what they are doing. If it's not that, then they are just saying..."oh no..electro isn't black, clearly they are going for a more gangster, violent approach because clearly black people can't embody this and that etc" Jamie Foxx is a great actor, and right now he's about to blow up a second time, this is great casting, they have someone with the skills to bring life to a character all but forgotten in spidey lore while introducing him to the mainstream audience....yet people complain because he is black. Seriously fuck you.
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The fact that Electro is a shitty character should. Hope they can do something to change the tide of the characters nearly 50 year history of being just a laughable character.
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But you know what. I'll be happy when they change a black character into a white one. When this happens I won't just chalk this up as overboard white guilt. I'm waiting hollywood.
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Dec. 4, 2012, 9:44 a.m. CST
I love old Spider-Man comic books, and this whole Electro being black now thing fails to rustle my jimmies...what the hell people its Electro who cares?
by Brandon
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Bullshit! ASM finally had Spider-man using wisecracks and Peter Parker having a sharp wit. Gwen Stacy comes before Mary Jane and her classic death by Green Goblin is foreshadowed and inevitable. Peter Parker invents and uses his trusty webshooters and he doesn't have a short and stocky bodytype. Flash Thompson is a fan of Spider-man and part of Peter Parker's development as a character not just a 2 minute cameo by an Italian guy. Peter Parker doesn't act like a city version of Spongebob Squarepants driving around on a moped delivering pizzas. Oh and Sandman doesn't kill Uncle Ben either. Hey Sam Raimi! How do you direct 3 Spider-man movies without realizing that wisecracks are an essential trademark??? Who the fuck looks at Kristen Dunst and says "that's the perfect Mary Jane"? Who okays power ranger costume or a paint ball mask over the iconic and classic Green Goblin mask? Who forces in awkward cameos from Macy Gray and Hal Sparks and some ugly eurotrash obsessed with cookies? Did you direct those films while smoking crack?
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Dec. 4, 2012, 9:45 a.m. CST
And I hope Spidey's attacks at least have an actual impact on the villain this go around.
by Wcwlkr
My other complaint agian, while I did enjoy it. But it was seriously a problem that Spider-Man's attack had little to know effect on The Lizard. I mean while yes the Lizard is this vicious incredibly savage and brutal opponent. If you read the damn comic, Spidey dishes out just as much as he receives. He's a great fighter and can deliver some punishment and that was definitely missing to me in this movie. Hate on Raimi all you want, but his action people choreographed some damn good fights in all 3 films! And Spider-Man 2 Doc Ock battles were beyond great!
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Dec. 4, 2012, 9:46 a.m. CST
wcwlkr Spider-man was holding back because Lizard is Conners, its been done in the comics quite a bit
by Brandon
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Ye'up, you nailed it!
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Dec. 4, 2012, 9:47 a.m. CST
He better wear that starfish mask. I know he wont but he fuckin should. it would rule.
by Stephen
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Dec. 4, 2012, 9:49 a.m. CST
booger_t I would have the mask make a small cameo then ditch it
by Brandon
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Even throughout the number of battles they've had. Spidey would give him some good shots when his reasoning with Connors wasn't working. And ASM never seemed to display that Peter was holding back because it ws Connors. It just showed whatever attack he was trying to do had no impact on him. Even in the last fight where he clearly had to stop him, his punches had little to no effect. And that was just my problem with it.
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I guarantee you no one would utter a peep if Electro were being played by, say, Jordi Molina or even Daniel Wu-Kim. It's the stark contrast from peach to chocolate that fuck people up. You get used to seeing a character on the page as one shade, and then there is suddenly this completely utterly different interpretation on screen. It blows apart any ambiguity there could possibly have been room for. Makes sense to me. I wouldn't want to see Tom Hardy play Luke Cage anymore than I wanted Will Smith to play Superman. Doesn't make me racist. It makes me a purist.
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Webb got the dramatic stuff right. But the action (while good) wasn't so tight with regard to how it was staged. Hopefully after his experience doing a huge film he will improve with the sequel. Another thing that would be good is lighten the color palette. It doesn't have to be so "Dark". Especially if you're filming 3D. I'm indifferent when it comes to Jaime Foxx. So that doesn't move me. What troubles me is the basic looking girl chosen for Mary Jane. If they're going to go with an actress with no name recognition, they should have just went with Deborah Ann Woll from True Blood instead. At least she looks like Mary Jane.
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We need more color blind casting in America, people. It's one thing to hate Ray, er, I mean Foxx but to hate the casting cuz he isn't white? Come on...
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I could care less about Jaime Foxx playing Electro. Really, not a big deal.
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Dec. 4, 2012, 9:59 a.m. CST
Has anyone ever thought that they may not kill off Gwen Stacy???
by Samuel Fulmer
Just because she's there, doesn't mean they'll totally follow the comic. Studios get antsy, and may not go for such a downer.
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Dec. 4, 2012, 9:59 a.m. CST
wcwlkr I understand where your coming from, he is an able fighter and has a lot of power behind his punches BUT there are a number of reasons why his punches may not have been very powerful...
by Brandon
A. Doesn't know how to properly throw a punch, I don't remember any scenes where he trained other than acrobatics B. Fear of hitting too hard, may have held back due to his strength its been pointed out in the comics that he has the power to kill someone with his strength and I would think he hasn't quite mastered his strength C. Just needed a C here, I got nothing else haha
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A second installment of Andrew Garfield channeling Hayden Christensen and Emma Stone reprising her role as Emma Stone. Whoop-de-fucking-hoop.
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Your post, Billy. :(
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Yeah, they made Parker about as likeable as Annakin!
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Dec. 4, 2012, 10:04 a.m. CST
Wcwlkr, you're outta your mind. Great fights in the Raimi films?? Rewatch and count how many times he did the "fall from a great height and punch each other in slow-motion on the way down bit."
by YourMomsBox3D
I think he did it four times in Spider-Man 3 alone. At least Webb utilized Spidey's speed and agility, and had him using his webs as more than just a method of swinging. And -- as far as Spidey's fights go -- the most important thing -- running his mouth to get under the skin of his opponent. One of the best moments in TASM is how agitated the Lizard gets during that school fight because Parker is talking shit. Character gold, and a fighting staple for Spider-Man.
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Aren't both Bane and Catwoman Half-Latino? Yet they were played by Hathaway and Hardy. Also the argument saying that to make it equal, Black characters should be made white is fucking idiotic. Seriously? How many old films featured white actors playing other ethnicities? Last I checked Natalie Wood wasn't Puerto Rican. Elector is a fucking lame villain that no one gives a shit about. Making him Black isn't something ridiculous. A Black Wonder Woman, Batman or Thor would have been reaching. But Electro? Please...
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Dec. 4, 2012, 10:06 a.m. CST
The producers, director and actors from ASM all say they want to do a proper The Night Gwen Stacy Died story arc
by Nerd Rage
She's as good as dead. They won't pussy out like Spider-man (2002).
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Why do you think George Lopez gets so may voice acting gigs? Because people think he's funny? Foxx wins because of the need to shoehorn "people of color" into roles.
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Now you guys are obviously grasping for straws. Garfield actually resembled the witty, energetic Peter Parker from the comics. Dopey Tobey Maguire resembled Steve Urkel on zoloft.
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incorrect
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People remember what they want to remember, but Spidey's wisecracking was limited to one scene in TASM. That's it. That's actually less than Maguire's version exchanging banter with hos villains.
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Dec. 4, 2012, 10:17 a.m. CST
I always thought, and wished, that a Spider-Man movie would open with a battle.
by YourMomsBox3D
If you could do it with any comic-book character, it would be Spidey. His rogues gallery is so extensive that it's impossible to feature even half of them in one series of films, but you could take one of the lesser-known, but still prominent adversaries and use him in an opening that just conveys that Spidey deals with these villains all the time. Imagine the film starting with Spidey all busted up and in the middle of a melee with Rhino. We don't need a Rhino-centric film, but a nice 5-10 minute fight scene to kick of the movie would be a nice nod, and could also spark the imagination as to what transpired in between films. I kind of wish this is their plan for Electro.
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Do it Bond style.
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Dec. 4, 2012, 10:24 a.m. CST
Since when do Spidey wisecracks only apply to "battles" with the primary antagonist?
by YourMomsBox3D
Whether you liked what he had to say or not, (HEY! I'm swinging here), or who he said it to (Carjacker, police officers), Spidey talked shit pretty consistently throughout TASM. He also talked to himself a lot, which is also in line with the character. You remember what you want to remember, Kidd, but there were more Spidey vocal moments in TASM than all three Raimi ventures combined.
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Dec. 4, 2012, 10:30 a.m. CST
how come there isn't any WHITE Entertainment Television?!
by Adam D. Kline
I call bullcrap
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Dec. 4, 2012, 10:33 a.m. CST
HEY, I'm swinging here... that was painfully enough
by Domi'sInnerChild
But I disagree, there was more banter than that. The was when he was sadistically torturing the car thief. There was some gags in the school Lizard fight. And I think he said like "this sucks" when he went down the drain. They tried... it wasn't good... but they tried more than Raimi did with the banter. To be fair, he was fighting the Lizard and not Green Goblin so the banter naturally was going to be more one-sided.
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Dec. 4, 2012, 10:36 a.m. CST
I agree with Billy about not having Electro connected to Parker.
by Deceased Fan
New York's a BIG place. Evil can happen miles a way from Spidey, that's what Spider Sense is for, right? I'm sure a crane can get him there. Sorry, I actually dug ASM, but c' mon.
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Dec. 4, 2012, 10:39 a.m. CST
I heard Marc Webb likes to take giant dumps on Spiderman comics.
by Jason
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Dec. 4, 2012, 10:41 a.m. CST
I can't wait until Electro causes a black out. Spidey should have something good and racist to say about that.
by Jason
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Turn to any channel, at any given time and there's a 90% chance you'll see white people. Just because it isn't named White Entertainment Television doesn't mean it isn't by white people, for white people.
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Dec. 4, 2012, 10:44 a.m. CST
How is it no one questioned Parker denting the upright? Is that normal in his school?
by Jason
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Dec. 4, 2012, 10:45 a.m. CST
KIDD - Tell us what you think about the Harry Osborn casting.
by JediRob
Very curious to hear.
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Dec. 4, 2012, 10:45 a.m. CST
Kidd, did you have the same issue with the Raimi films forcing the villains to have a connection to Parker?
by YourMomsBox3D
Because by my count: Green Goblin, Doctor Octopus, Green Goblin II, Sandman, and Venom ALL knew who Spider-Man was. Shit, all but one worked with him, and the one who didn't was shoehorned into being the real killer of Uncle Ben. They all saw him sans mask too. It was a pattern of every single Raimi effort. Kidnap Mary-Jane, Spidey shows up, fights the villain, pulls off his mask, talks to him, resolution, final swing. How people look fondly on that piece of shit rinse and repeat trilogy is beyond me.
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Dec. 4, 2012, 10:48 a.m. CST
Bullshit!!....yeah...you are right...people (you) do
by southafricanguy
remember only what you want. Spidey wisecracking was not only in one scene (i assume you are referring to the car stealing scene)...there is for sure wisecracking throughout the fight at the high school.....
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TheJamie Foxx we are going to get is The Stealth Jamie, a wise cracking wannae be smooth Black guy who's a stud in his own mnd. Marvel, STOP destroying the Universe I grew up with, bastardising Spider-Man again isn't good, Sheen was rubbish, Garfield was annoying, Gwen actually was Gwen but most of it was simply dribble. Don't start me on Rhys Ifans and the AWFUL Lizard FX.
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Who do you think the majority of the bullshit on television is made to entertain?
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Dec. 4, 2012, 10:50 a.m. CST
I'll see this one too but please less muttering and looking down and shaking of the head from the lead actor. And keep the fucking mask on!
by Autodidact
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Nah, we just prefer one where the white people aren't racist...
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Dec. 4, 2012, 10:52 a.m. CST
The "wisecracking" in ASM was not good at all. It's supposed to be quippy and full of painful puns. In ASM it came off kinda viscious.
by Autodidact
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Raimis films due in no small part because Garfield acted and looked more like PP/spidey to me. Also, I thought it resembled Cameron's 1992 scriptment a bit and so was more in line with the approach that I had always envisioned since I read that years ago...long before Raimis first film (which incidentally also used a fair amount from Cameron's scriptment...even some scenes)....I guess I just liked the attempt to do it a bit less studio bound (Raimis films are often so obviously being filmed in a studio) and to try and set it a bit more in the "real world"...I dont know Raimis spidey films felt a lot like Burtons Batman films to me.....never seemed like thy were taking place in any kind of reality, and like Burtons Batman films...I dont feel that Raimis films have aged all that well
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Dec. 4, 2012, 10:58 a.m. CST
There's a fundamental difference between there being television programming with predominately white casts and an entire network that caters to only one race.
by YourMomsBox3D
TV shows with more white characters than black aren't necessarily trying to alienate other races. Most of those shows do feature black characters in their main casts, which is more than I can say for the 5 different Tyler Perry productions currently on TV. And since when does having mostly white people in a TV show only affect black people? I'm tired of black people being the only minority allowed to be offended. Fucking cut it out. There are far more black characters on TV than there are Asian or Spanish. Reverse racism exists, whether you want to admit it or not. Let me know on which channel I can find an awards show called WHITE CHICKS ROCK. At NO time would that show be deemed appropriate or allowed to broadcast. Black people cry for equality, but constantly segregate themselves every single chance they get.
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better than the power ranger GG we got....what the fuck were they thinking...u watch that now and it looks terrible....The fact that Willem Dafoe somehow still makes it almost work while wearing such a ridiculous costume says a lot about how good an actor he is...
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I'm a fan of DeHaan, as I loved CHRONICLE and thought, outside of Hardy, that he was one of the best parts of LAWLESS, but I fear he was cast to bring a similar character type to this version of Harry Osborn, which feels very "been there, done that."
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Politics is politics but when some asshat refers to that scumbag as his "Lord and Savior" then I opt out of anything he's involved in. Not hard since the first flick was such a profound disappointment, rape-y Peter Parker, non-existent Gwen Stacy, Uncle Ben treating Peter like he's a lost 6-year-old runaway, and why oh why does every Spidey movie have to showcase what awesome 'Merican's New Yawkah's are? That whole thing with the cranes was the stoopidest shit since the Spider-Man musical. Spidey's down but it's alright, New Yawkah's got his back! USA! USA!
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I didn't mind it so much in the Raimi films, because those relationships seemed very organic. The exception to that was the Sandman though, which felt very forced in order to create that Spidey connection, something the Lizard suffered from in TASM. Had Dylan Baker finally gotten to fulfill the role in a continued Raimi story arc, it would have made sense and been fluid to the series.
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Dec. 4, 2012, 11:02 a.m. CST
Remember that time Halle Berry accepted an Oscar on behalf of all women of color and the camera cut right to her white mother, who raised her alone?
by YourMomsBox3D
That was funny.
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It's quite the opposite. Liberal white guilt fools feel they need to constantly pander to blacks (and only blacks) by showing favoritism. This in itself is racist friends. Like the guy said above I'm a purist not a racist. War Machine was a great black character despite Don Cheadle being casted wrong. Luke Cage is cool as well as is Jonathan Stewart (the Green Lantern). Make movies about these guys. Stop recasting white characters for the misguided sake of race sensitivity. You know damn well this never happens the opposite way. The problem with todays "racism" is the double standards. People whine that White Entertainment TV is every channel but the truth of the matter is if Black Dominated Shows were great ratings wise they would have them. They have in the past. It's a niche thing. This doesn't validate the logic for having a blatant race related channel like BET. We need to eliminate that. We need to eliminate Black History Month (something Morgan Freeman agrees to).
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Dec. 4, 2012, 11:03 a.m. CST
Electro should be better tha the Lizard. At least hes a real physical presence in the fight scenes.
by MariusXe
Good god were the fights with the lizard boring. Like watching a videogame. HATE it when fig scenes are completely CGI.
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to the comics...just in other ways. And there is plenty of stupid/silly shit in those films too.....the constant close ups of womens faces as they scream/shreik to mention just one.....and im not even hating on the Raimi films...I still enjoy them minus spiderman 3....and they do have some very good stuff....especially 2....but far from perfect...and also very much someone interpretation of the comics....
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Don't care at all that they cast a black dude. I care that they cast a shitty actor that is massively overrated. I guess some people are too young to have watched In Living Color, but this dude should not be in major Hollywood movies.
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Dec. 4, 2012, 11:09 a.m. CST
What's racist is the way liberals, especially in Hollywood, feel this compulsive need to kiss black ass. They seriously treat black people like 4-year olds, in need of assistance and loving reassurance for every little thing.
by YourMomsBox3D
I do that with my niece. She can't be trusted to do shit on her own. What's worse? A bunch of comic-geeks not liking a character race change or an entire creed of people being treated like toddlers because the guys in charge think they can't do shit for themselves? Passive-aggressive pandering to African-Americans is disgusting, yet widely accepted by both races.
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Dec. 4, 2012, 11:11 a.m. CST
A comic book example of a minority character changed white for film/tv
by AnakinsDiapers
The teenage mutant Ninja Turtle character April was clearly a minority in the original comics. She was transformed into a white woman for the cartoon, and was kept that way through out all media ever since.<p> I love all this "Black Panther should be cast as a white person" nonsense because it misses the point in a way that speaks volumes about the the sentiment. I'm a black guy. If Daredevil was cast with a black actor i would have been upset because being Irish Catholic is a huge part of Matt Murdocks personality/worldview. Wilson Fisk being black doesn't really affect the character. In my years of reading, the Kingpins ethnicity never has played a factor. The entire point of the Black Panther in history is to showcase an intelligent and heroic black character. In the Marvel Universe itself, he's the King of an African nation, a nation that has ever been extremely isolationist. Luke Cage? His from the streets comic book shaft persona is intinsically a part of the character. <p> Changing Amanda Waller from DC from black to white wouldn't be a drastic change to her character, but then again, how many prominent black characters are there? I'd be disappointed in that change because of that alone.<p> So stop the shit. I never knew what Electro's real name was, and i grew up reading Spider-Man.
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Dec. 4, 2012, 11:12 a.m. CST
The whining...is about why they got a man who plays characters called Motherfucker Jones and Ray Charles to play a white villain. Goddamn I hope they dont recolor Electro in the comics too, like they did to Nick Fury. Next thing you know, The "Inclediber
by Timothy Marcione
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I will not bother to see the film. I cannot stand him.
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Dec. 4, 2012, 11:13 a.m. CST
"You-a don-a wanna see-a me a-when-I'm-a ANGLEE!!!" - The Inclediber Hurk
by Timothy Marcione
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Dec. 4, 2012, 11:14 a.m. CST
Anyone else want a comedic spider-man movie tonaly like fooly cooly?
by l4orion
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Dec. 4, 2012, 11:14 a.m. CST
I agree, it feels a little typecasting for DeHaan. I feel liek I know EXACTLY how the character is going to be played.
by JediRob
He'll be nice and soft spoken, until he's full of rage with tear filled eyes.
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Dec. 4, 2012, 11:17 a.m. CST
I had no problems whatsoever with Kingpin's race being altered for the movie. Because, at the time I couldn't think of a white guy with the physicality and the acting chops to pull it off.
by YourMomsBox3D
Don't really have a problem with what color Electro is either, but this casting seems more like typical white guilt than the Daredevil situation, which was (at least to me) more about the right actor for the job. Of course, I haven't seen Foxx's screen test, but I'm curious to see the list of actors who were considered for the role. I'll bet there isn't much of one.
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Dec. 4, 2012, 11:17 a.m. CST
DeHaan is totally typecast...pretty soon, I bet they cast Paul Dano as Venom or some shit...you know, "Indie Cred" aderpderpderp...
by Timothy Marcione
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All it will remind me of during the movie is a bunch of PC dumbfucks who earn their government sponsored paychecks going around demanding more representation by blacks/latinos/homosexuals etc. in films for no fucking reason at all other than to meet some imaginary numerical quota on some outline sheet they cooked up decades ago when racial issues were a significant problem and they figured more representation showing that these here dark skinned people aren't so bad... But at least they made it a point to create some original material using them than being a bunch of lazy idiots in this adaptation driven age. And it also will constantly remind me of a group of Hollywood hacks in an Amazing Spider-Man 2 comittee meeting going, "Duuuhhh... we have this here comic book source material, but we are all original dudes so we need to change stuff up... because people like change and Obama promised us change... so we need to change change change things because change is good no matter what it is..." Maybe it's also some studio suit saying, "That there Jamie Foxx is gonna earn us the bling bling because of that there Tarantinoish movie, we need some more pull, marketing wants to target the black community because theater exit polls showed mroe white people going to see Spidey 1 and we want to increase the synamic for Spidey 2. So go get that guy." None of this means jack shit about respecting black people, it jsut reduces black people to some statistic and group of people that need to be pandered to. You black people like that? You like the way Hollywood treats your black ass? How about telling those hacks to go through marvel and start making some films out of actual Black characters? You know? Black Panther, Luke Cage, War Machine etc. But nooooo... Black main characters are getting sidelined for second tier villians who were originally white people. It's like black people aren't good enough on screen unless they're following in the shoes of what the white man represents! You think that's respecting you??? This is fucking stunt casting for the sake of arbitrary change. Nobody there sat down and thought, "You know what? the character Electro could represent something that is best brought out and emphasized by casting a black person in the role to forward some thematic element of this movie." No they fucking did not! They thought Electro is an electricy character who could make lots of electrifying puns and we need ourselves a comedian for this here character, audiences love Black Comedians... let's get Jamie Foxx! Hell maybe they tried to redesign the suit to something mroe modern, tried a white guy in it and then not liking the results put a Black guy in it and thoguht the clown costume looked better on the black guy! Mark my fucking words! There was no iota of concern for anything remotely here to better 'represent' black people! If you actually gave a shit about actual racism, you'd see this for what it is too! Just some stupid shit done for the sake of making things different.
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HAHAHAHAH!!!!!!! "genius electrician-type person, and he gets the short end of the stick from the whole world, and the next thing you know he turns it on" Sympathetic (black) villain = FACT Misunderstood sciency type = FACT Only Peter Parker understands him and will try to "talk him down" = FACT No one understands how important his work on clean energy is because he is not part of the White Corporate Science Culture = FACT Oscorp denied his AIDS mother life saving cancer treatment = FACT Writers took the concept of "dark mirror" a little too seriously = FACT
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Dec. 4, 2012, 11:22 a.m. CST
Sorry, I meant "Black Cat" instead of "Shadow Cat." My mistake.
by Timothy Marcione
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Dec. 4, 2012, 11:24 a.m. CST
gdprof27 won this talkback with his first comment
by Talkbacker with no name
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Dec. 4, 2012, 11:26 a.m. CST
Eric Cartman said it best: The city isn't what it used to be. It all happened so fast. Everything went to crap. It's like... everyone's sense of morals just... disappeared. Bad economy made things worse. The jobs started drying up. Then the stores had to
by Timothy Marcione
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Missed opportunity!
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Dec. 4, 2012, 11:28 a.m. CST
Maybe Electro can kill Gwen Stacy by raping her with a super-electrified dildo. That would be racially appropriate.
by Timothy Marcione
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Dec. 4, 2012, 11:29 a.m. CST
yourmomsbox3d I'd take the fights from Raimi's Spidey films over ASM all day.
by Wcwlkr
Save for Spider-Man doing a few more wise cracks and some extra webbing. The fight choreography from ASM doesn't touch Raimi's Spider films. I'll take where I can actually see a punch land and have an effect over the non-existent punches in ASM. Again I wasn't saying I didn't like the movie I did. It was on par if not better than the first Spider-Man and leaps and bounds better than 3. But it doesn't touch 2.
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Dec. 4, 2012, 11:31 a.m. CST
As for Electro being black, how bout they just looked at trying to cast a great actor regardless of color.
by Wcwlkr
It's ridiculous to me to get hung up Electro being black. How bout they just saw the opportunity to cast a pretty good actor in Foxx and went with it. Acting ability doesn't have to hinge on color. I don't think it's racist that they cast him, just like if there was a black character that was cast as white I don't think that's racist.
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What the fuck man? If anything more black people hate black people more than white people these days. Are you saying black people can't be racist? What universe are you living in? If anything, cultures love to hate on themselves. They segregate their own shades into separate groups. It's been done throughout history. Without black folk around, white folk hated other white folk from other parts of the globe. Black folk are still killing each other today. People will always find some excuse to hate someone else. This whole 'group segregation' mentality needs to disappear if you want to truly move on. As does the whole political campaigning bullshit for this sort of thing. Yeah I know... easier said than done, but them's the facts.
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Ugh, electro?
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Dec. 4, 2012, 11:36 a.m. CST
why they got a man who plays characters called motherfucker jones and Ray charles to play a white villain..
by AnakinsDiapers
...wha huh? Explain that greivance so it makes sense please?<p> Christain bale played a serial killer in American psycho so he should never have been considered for Batman right? But wait, both characters are white so it's okay.<p> And no, i never liked the idea of samuel Jackson playing Nick Fury in the movies solely because it drastically puts the kibosh on Nick Furys' sordid history of being a WW2 vet, the Infinity formula, and all that jazz. Fuck the Ultimates.
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Dec. 4, 2012, 11:36 a.m. CST
I still think Chris Rock should have been Spidey in the Raimi movies
by Domi'sInnerChild
Think about it.
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Drab, dour, and dull ASM was.
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Dec. 4, 2012, 11:38 a.m. CST
The funny thing about the "changing a character's race" argument.
by knowthyself
99% of everyone in books, movies, and tv shows is white. But change ONE character to black and the world ends.
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Dec. 4, 2012, 11:41 a.m. CST
Mr. Beaks' brilliant description of the ACN staff "...a never-ending legion of goblins (led by their grotesque, testicle-chinned king)..."
by Timothy Marcione
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Dec. 4, 2012, 11:41 a.m. CST
So I have to wait till the 3rd film for Christoph Waltz Goblin and the Death of Gwen Stacy???
by the Green Gargantua
yeeeesh , don't fuck this one up than...
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That you can change a white character to black but vice versa and you are racist. People are sick of the double standard. People are sick of liberals instigating this shit and coddling blacks like they are babies. You know why Africa is so screwed up? Not because we give them too little aid but because we give them too much. You can't expect someone to thrive if you are throwing money at them not to mention that aid often goes to corrupt individuals. This is pandering 100% and blacks should get pissed at this and pissed at how liberals view them.
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Dec. 4, 2012, 11:45 a.m. CST
I agree that not liking this isn't race, its Jamie "Wanda" Foxx and his overratedness.
by kindofabigdeal
I wanna say he played Ray Charles in a comedy skit on In Living Color. Then he got an actual Oscar for this serious take on a parody that he had done. It's like giving Mike Meyers an Oscar for using a Scottish accent
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Besides historical ones. Where are the popular black characters whites want to so badly turn white?
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Dec. 4, 2012, 11:47 a.m. CST
I'll watch it if Jamie Fuxx says: "I'm Ray Charles to the bullshit. So hop up on dat dick and do a full split."
by Timothy Marcione
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Sometimes they diversify the main cast simply to reflect real world diversity. Spider-man lives in New York. He's bound to run into a black, Latin or Asian villain eventually.
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Jamie Foxx got cast because he's famous, not because he's black. And anybody who thinks Foxx is a bad actor needs to wake the fuck up and admit that you don't like him just cuz you don't like him. I don't like Tom Cruise but nobody can say he's a bad actor. Foxx is very similar. And nobody's favorite character is Electro. Obviously they were going to reinterpret him for the screen and make him more important than the snarling 1 dimensional brat he always was in the books.
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Dec. 4, 2012, 11:53 a.m. CST
if they wanted to be cutting edge, they wouldve made the osbornes black
by walt
electro is not a great character even in spectacular spidey the toon, he was weak...and that was a great show he was fun when i was a kid, but he lacks depth of course, the entire first film lacked depth if they had been smart, they wouldve made spidey retro...the way cap was....and unlike cap...kept it there
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What the fuck does Africa have to with this? Oh..i see where you're going. very classy. Doesn't take much goading to get to the jist of the real sentiment does it?
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Dec. 4, 2012, 11:55 a.m. CST
Knowthyself I don't want any black character to change race honestly
by Chopper
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Dec. 4, 2012, 11:55 a.m. CST
It's funny how rare Asian superheroes are and they still changed Goku and the Airbender into white boys
by Nerd Rage
Where was the outrage from the white fanboys then? They changed a few out of a thousand popular white characters into a minority, you say? Cry me a river.
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I mean, c'mon, he fought REAL monsters and drove around in a giant transforming robot. Japanese Spidey FTW!
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Dec. 4, 2012, 11:57 a.m. CST
There was outcry regarding the Asian characters. You clearly weren't paying attention.
by Chopper
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To comment in any way that a black person shouldn't play a character who was arbitrarily white in the comics, is still racist. If you're going to reboot The Godfather, yeah, Don Corleone can't be black because it's part of the character that he's an Italian immigrant and there were probably VERY few black Italian immigrants. But there's no reason an electrical engineer can't be black.
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Dec. 4, 2012, 11:58 a.m. CST
Maybe they should forget about Scorpion, Doc Ock, Green Goblin, etc.
by AnakinsDiapers
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Dec. 4, 2012, 11:59 a.m. CST
Electro isn't arbitrarily white. He was white. This isn't like Nick Fury where the comics rewrote him to be black.
by Chopper
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Dec. 4, 2012, 11:59 a.m. CST
and instead cast Mosses Magnum and the hipno hustler.
by AnakinsDiapers
That way, the liberal fascists wouldn't need to change the race in casting. I'm sure that would go well.
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But speculating that his race somehow earned him the role is pure bigotry. I honestly can't fathom why people would object to race-blind casting. Would an ethnically Asian Mary Jane Watson really detract from the appeal she held in the comics? What about a Hispanic J. Jonah Jameson? In your perception, is their racial background so ingrained in their characters? We're looking for people who can believably portray the emotional range displayed in the source material, right? That's the priority.
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Dec. 4, 2012, 12:03 p.m. CST
this just in- Marc Webb decides Foxx will be wearing cloud-atlas style whiteface in order to stay "true to the comics"
by Stephen
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Dec. 4, 2012, 12:03 p.m. CST
Again mattdomville your point is valid the moment they cast Shaft or whoever as a white guy....
by Chopper
Until then it's just racist double standards as usual.
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Maybe I'm in the minority, but not having Spidey's tagline in a rebooted origin story was a fail for me... didn't mind the movie as a whole, but I agree with many posters here: every villain doesn't have to be personally connected to Parker in some way... that's like taking James Bond and finding some personal connection to all the villains of the last 50 years; setting aside the sci-fi leap of disbelief, it makes the storylines non-believable.
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Dec. 4, 2012, 12:08 p.m. CST
I'm a die-hard Spidey fan who went into TASM wanting to love it...
by Kammich
...hated it in the theater, liked it no better at home on DVD. I am very rarely opposed to reboots or remakes, as they often offer an interesting glimpse into what a fresh creative mind can bring to a tried-and-true story. But "The Amazing Spider-man" was so garishly repetitive that I couldn't even give it the benefit of enjoying it as a fresh take on anything. Less corny than the Raimi films? Yeah, there may not have been an jazz club scenes. But go back and watch the basketball scene, the football field scene... they're embarrassingly bad. The action was tepid and poorly staged. The entire look of the film--from the production design on down--looked like a super hero film that would've been made before "Blade" or Synger's first "X-Men" film, not something from 2012. It DID have great performances by Garfield and Stone. I look forward to more of that, and I look forward to the heady additions of DeHaan and Foxx. My concern, however, is that Marc Webb is returning. The single most damning criticism I can give "The Amazing Spider-man" is that you could have honestly told me that it was directed by Mark Steven Johnson, and I would've believed you 100%.
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Dec. 4, 2012, 12:08 p.m. CST
Hey any way they get faces on the screen is fine. There's not much variety up there. Like 5 actors or something allowed to be in movies.
by UltraTron
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Dec. 4, 2012, 12:09 p.m. CST
Bring on Doc Oc and electro. Double threat. Then 3rd movie is Carnage. Rinse, repeat again
by UltraTron
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Dec. 4, 2012, 12:09 p.m. CST
What ultratron means is Hey any way they get faces on the screen is fine. There's not much DIVERSITY up there. Like 5 actors or something allowed to be in movies.
by Chopper
and this is why FOXX was cast.
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You could do Shaft as a white guy if his race weren't essential to his characterization. Very few white characters' "whiteness" is essential to their characterization. There are examples of non-white characters being cast as white, however, if you're curious: http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/RaceLift (Under Non-White to White)
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Dec. 4, 2012, 12:11 p.m. CST
MINORITY CHARACTERS ARE RELATIVELY RARE WHICH IS WHY ITS BAD TO CHANGE THEM
by Nerd Rage
Why is this so hard to comprehend?
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Dec. 4, 2012, 12:14 p.m. CST
LMAO! My guess is that Marvel is allowing things to get SO FUCKING BAD (-bad Spidey suit, bad casting, bad acting,ect.) so that in the end when people have had enough and stop buying tickets (and, of course, the rights revert back to Marvel!), Marvel will
by rocketeuropa
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what would be wrong with changing a couple to white, Asian or Latino???
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They'll reboot every 6-8 years if they have to. Spider-man and James Bond are their golden geese.
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Dec. 4, 2012, 12:28 p.m. CST
Foxx is a good actor, but Electro is kind of a silly villain that belongs in the cartoon Rami films.
by Elevator Killer
Electro doesn't seem to fit in the more 'realistic' world Webb and crew have made. Granted its still a comic book and Lizard isn't real either.. lol. Still just seems like it belongs in that silly Rami world of the other trilogy.
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Why are white people so damn scared?
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I just hope that he does a good job. His range of acting has been somewhat limited. So, I am excited to see him as an Electrical Engineer and villain. That said: I suspect that this film version of Elektro will have served as an engineer on Mr. Parker's mysterious project for Oscorp. The "accident" -- that gave Elektro his powers -- probably served as a catalyst for the plot as a second piece of the puzzle...regarding how the Parker's went "missing." However, in the end, Peter/Spider-Man will learn that Elektro did not kill his parents. Elektro earned his "powers" from an experiment that was meant to boost GREEN energy. This turned Max Dillon into Elektro. Elektro will blame the Mr. Parker. Osborn will trade his knowledge of the Parker's whereabouts for Elektro's assistance in the GREEN energy experiment. However, the result will turn Osborn into the GREEN GOBLIN. He will ultimately be revealed as the person who killed Parker's parents...as Elektro will have "changed his mind" and spared them. This entire plot seems too obvious.
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...yo!
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Dec. 4, 2012, 12:33 p.m. CST
Still no word from AICN about the new STAR TREK 2 POSTER: http://l.yimg.com/os/251/2012/12/03/startrek2poster-jpg_155636.jpg
by Chris Moody
When will this be "breaking news" here?
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As a black man, I wouldn't say that Obama is a racist. However, it is clear that he is "racially motivated." Sometimes, it is difficult to tell the difference.
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Dec. 4, 2012, 12:39 p.m. CST
Not having "with great power comes great responsibility" spoken out loud in a Spider-Man origin is like a Batman origin where his parents died in a car accident.
by Autodidact
It's those words ringing in his ears that drive Spider-Man to do his web swinging thing.
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http://www.aintitcool.com/node/59858
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Dec. 4, 2012, 12:46 p.m. CST
Why are white people so damn scared? Why are black people so damn ignorant to the fact that Obama is half-white. Enough with the automatic "claiming" of anyone two or more races.
by YourMomsBox3D
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Dec. 4, 2012, 12:48 p.m. CST
Ugh. Comic-nerds stink. HATED TASM in theaters, yet went out, bought, took home, and watched the DVD. Why? Just to be fucking sure, or because nerds hate just to hate?
by YourMomsBox3D
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Dec. 4, 2012, 12:48 p.m. CST
I like "with great power comes great responsibility" but remember that shit wasn't even in the original spidey origin
by Stephen
its not as indispensable as people think.
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Dec. 4, 2012, 12:52 p.m. CST
"With great power comes great responsibility" was never said by Uncle Ben, until the Raimi film gave him the line. Maybe Webb is allowing for Peter to discover that truth on his own.
by YourMomsBox3D
Fucking know-it-alls.
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Some of my favorite movie characters are black.
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Dec. 4, 2012, 1 p.m. CST
GREAT POWER/GREAT RESPONSIBILITY was in the comic book: http://www.joeydevilla.com/wordpress/wp-content/uploads/2009/04/great-power-great-responsibility.jpg
by Chris Moody
It just wasn't said by Uncle Ben. It was a narration.
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After the X-Men movie they wore leather in some of the comics. resently Nick Fury had a child with an african american woman and had son that looks a bit like Samuel Jackson is the new Nick Fury. (yes I know that the movie Nick Fury was designed after the Ultimates one and that the Ultimates one was designed with Samuel Jackson in mind). I'm curious is something like that will happen in the comics since Jamie Foxx has been casted?
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No, the Raimi films have not aged well. I really only kind of liked the first one, at the time, because it was like, OK, they did a Spider-Man movie- but Toby's Big Stare and Power Goblin laughing like a jackass- Haw! Haw! Haw! mehhemmmn...eh. <BR> But this series is as fresh as that plastic bag of mush one finds at the bottom of the salad crispser. Yeah, you paid for it, but that's all you're gonna get. <BR> I really don't care who plays Electro; the question is: why Electro? Most campy-ass suit ever, which means they'll be "improving" it for the toy tie-ins like they did with Spidey's new luge suit. Another ho-hum origin story (struck by lightning while working on a power pole). Powers comparable to Kristin Bell's character on Heroes and get ready for lots of close-ups of Foxx gnashing his teeth while Luke, I mean Peter, writhes around screaming in pain. Of course, there will likely be some BIG SECRET connecting Max Dillon to the mysterious disappearance of Parker's mysterious parents. Oh joy. <BR> Although, if they're actually going for a Sinister Six storyline, mmmmaybe....
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4 Films and still NOTHING. I loved that cartoon as a kid. 4 films in and it's like a love wank to CGI everytime. END OF LINE.
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Not sure if that was directed at me, but just to clarify... it cost $1.25 to rent the movie at a Redbox. If I can't afford a buck twenty-five for a second go-round of a property I grew up loving, then I need to re-evaluate my life.
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There's no reason an Electrical Engineer can't be black, but there IS a reason why an Electrician should NOT be portrayed by a black man...
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It was directed at anyone who states that they HATED a movie and then went out of their way to view it again at home. Now, a Redbox rental may not be totally defined as out of the way for you, but that doesn't change the fact that you sought out a film that you had already established yourself as hating, took it home, and spent 2-plus hours of your time just to draw a conclusion that you knew going in. It's no different than nerds that claim they hate the Star Wars prequels (LUCAS RAPED OUR CHILDHOODS!), but run out to buy version after version of it on DVD. It has nothing to do with a price-tag, but everything to do with this strange obsession geeks have with publicly showcasing their disdain for things yet spending countless hours of their spare time dedicated to watching them over and over again. It makes zero sense to me, and I'll bet my paycheck this week that you will (if you haven't already) watch TASM again.
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When a half black half whiteman is successful the whites want credit. If he's living in the south during slavery times, he's a no good "nigger." This is why the half white claim is pointless.
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It's fun to read some of these comments and imagine the person typing away furiously pissed off about black actors and somehow equating it to Liberals and Obama. As they sit there typing away in the same trailer they fuck their sister in.
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Dec. 4, 2012, 1:29 p.m. CST
Major themes in next Spider Man film = Racism, Big Corporations
by 2soon2eat
Misunderstood (black) science guy gets patent stolen by Big White Corporation, goes on rampage. Folks, we have to talk about race, because that's THE WHOLE POINT OF THE FILM
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You're a racist with faulty stereotyping, white boy.
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Dec. 4, 2012, 1:34 p.m. CST
I'd never fuck my sister in a trailer. I'd fuck her in a bed, like a normal person.
by YourMomsBox3D
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Dec. 4, 2012, 1:35 p.m. CST
And thank you, Knowthyself, for pointing out the mentality of Southern Whites 200 years ago. It sure reflects the mindset of us Northerners in modern times.
by YourMomsBox3D
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It is the funniest shit ever.
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I can just see it now. Parker holding Electro's crumpled body in the rain. "Nooooooooo!" he cries out, realizing that Jamie Foxx was just a victim of The System.
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You guys are making it even more hilarious by acknowledging that I was talking about you. Also, there is White Entertianment Television. It is called Fox News.
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What a stunning realization! Electro was just a pawn in the game! This shit practically writes itself!
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Dec. 4, 2012, 1:51 p.m. CST
Goku wasn't asian, he was saiyan. duh. (call yourselfs nerds)
by kindofabigdeal
I would like to touch on the racial commentary this thread has made but I'm afraid it might earn me the banhammer. I really liked their choice of Sam L. as Nick Fury. I really didn't notice skin color when I enjoyed the fuck out of Avengers. But this casting all the way around of the ASM universe just doesn't sit well with me. Even when it's actors I love (Sheen, Stone, Leary) and actors I don't care for (Garfield) nobody felt like they should. Maybe that's just me (and half of the people out there who chimed in) but this wasn't my Spiderman. God, now I sound like Harry and his 'this is not my batman' schlock.
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White Entertainment Television... LMBAO!!! Don't you just love it when that one is used? As if anything the rachet ass shit on BET is worthwhile or thought provoking lol.
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Why not I mean color shouldnt matter right? I love how people try to make it about racism, its about accuracy, fools.
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...as long as he isn't an electrical genius. He's not dumb. He's one of the most powerful Earth-born characters in the Marvel Universe, but he has no imagination, and he always makes the wrong choice-- methodically so. That's why I love Electro. The guy's a fuckin' loser who doesn't get he's a loser. He's a less funny Michael Scott.
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The article is about a black actor or character?
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You do know that the big difference between Ray and Electro is that Ray Charles was a real person and Electro is just ink.
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You had to know this would be the response, but wow. Just wow. "Nobody could buy a black James West?" Nobody could buy a fucking awful script and a giant Rascal-Spider.
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That is funny too. Comparing a black entertainer known by everyone to a comic book villian that the average person could give two fucks about? Seriously? Maybe they should do Ray with Larry the Cable Guy in blackface. I am sure some of you guys would love that shit. Git R Done Hollywood!
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You can't masturbate to a movie if black people are in it.
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Casting Jamie Foxx makes the whole story PAINFULLY OBVIOUS. Should have cast a less well known black actor if that's what they were going for.
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While they added a more tragic sense to Spidey's origin in the new flick. It felt genuine, why he was a bit emotional. As to SP3 Parker, who feels the need to part his hair in his face to become "Dark Peter" (that was more emo for me) was idiotic. Then Peter in the Jazz club?!?! Really? The Basket Ball scene in the new one was a bit silly but The Jazz club scene was by far the most outlandish, taking you out of the movie and putting you into Looney Tunes all the sudden. I felt like Raimi was stabbing my eyes with turds. The movie just became a big silly mess. None of it could have been taken seriously. The stupid scene with Harry and MJ, making break feast. The movie kept poking at Fanboys and making them more and more infuriated as the movie progressed. I won' touch Venom/ Eddy cause that's a discussion for another day. I like Raimi's first two efforts but we needed a good refresher to get the bad taste out of our mouths.
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Dec. 4, 2012, 2:10 p.m. CST
Wait til you see the Native American Vulture and Jewish Mysterio.
by Smerdyakov
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boring!!! predictable!! cliched!!
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Suits got coked up and decided to put in a "Rock Star" like Jamie Foxx. "Kids love that guy!"
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It's like poetry! Fucking genius!
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Dec. 4, 2012, 2:21 p.m. CST
I can't wait for Spiderman to try and save Electro! "Theres good in you, I know it!"
by 2soon2eat
They could invent a fucking software program to write this shit.
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Dec. 4, 2012, 2:21 p.m. CST
Mysterio was a Hollywood figure. Of course he's Jewish.
by WhatTheHellHappenedToMe
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Like how there are three scenes I can think of with wisecracking? And you just want to hate, so you make an offhanded idiotic claim like that?
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Dec. 4, 2012, 2:23 p.m. CST
Prediction = Electro's own origin tragically similar to Peter Parker's past
by 2soon2eat
Strange how fate has brought these opposites to such a thrilling moment!
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Dec. 4, 2012, 2:25 p.m. CST
Electro will redeem himself by saving Parker, but at the cost of his own life!
by 2soon2eat
Sounds so familiar!
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I'd like to see a petulant Electro.
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Like a big old godzilla tail in the morning, that is how Green Gargantua starts his day pussies! For the record Electro is a stupid character and he wil JF will probably bring an interesting new relevance. I mean what if TESLA was forced into a life of crime? WHITE POWDER!!!
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But that's what makes him great. What if a jackass got superpowers, and was still just a jackass?
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I know that you aren't talking about me, fat white boy. I'm a black man who rolls his eyes when white assholes complain about "racism" while simultaneously spewing ridiculous stereotypes about white people and black folks. You need therapy.
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Dec. 4, 2012, 2:45 p.m. CST
Why I think Jamie Foxx is miscast and Electro a bad choice.
by MoistMuskyCamelToe
I'm not a fanboy. I never read the Spider-Man comic books and I'm not overly familiar with the characters, beyond what I saw on cartoons as a kid. I haven't yet seen the new movie, but I'm looking forward to watching it with an open mind. That said: 1. I find Foxx to be too likeable. I don't want to like a villain or sympathize with them, I want them to be pure in their motivations and conviction, and selfish and evil in their actions. The minute I see them doing wrong for the right reasons, I start feeling bad for their plight and I don't want the hero to win. That was my problem with Raimi's 3rd movie- I empathized with Sandman and wanted him to get away to help his kid. Venom, on the other hand, was a douchebag before becoming a villain, was fun to hate, and merited the strife. And I don't care about the race, good acting is good acting and unless there is a real need for a specific race then it doesn't matter. Black Kingpin was just fine, and actually one of the only good parts of a poor movie. 2. Electro sucks. He is not that interesting of a villain. I recall thinking his outfit was horrible, and watching him surf on power lines was silly. Not a good choice. Think what they could have done with Rhino. Sigh.
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in the (dreadful) adaptation of Spawn, Frizgerald's race was changed from black to white. And, if I memory serves me right, the reason for the swap was because the studio was scared the movie would be too 'black'. also, i think the complaints about Foxx are racially motivated. But that'salright, i get it--most of you are simply detestable scum...But you are all my sons. You are all my sons.
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"Amazing Spider-Man 2" either. If they had a brain between any of them, they'd go through the titles of the comics. Next should technically be called, "The Spectacular Spider-Man". After that, "Web of Spider-Man".
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And anyone who didn't complain about Tonto, the Mandarin, Dr. No, Fu Manchu, Chuin, Mr. Moto, Last Avatar and other non-white characters being played by white men is a hypocrite. It used to bother me, but since the rule seems to be "White people can play anything they want, but if you change the race of a white character, watch out" I say fuck it, throw the gate open. And sure, let a white guy play black panther. In fact, let's go 100% color blind in casting. I promise certain white males will squeal loudest.
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'Nuff said!
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Dec. 4, 2012, 3 p.m. CST
You know you're a racist when you're whining about the change of race of a fictional character that 90% of people don't know any way in a godawful unnecessary remake/reboot blatant cash-grab scheme...
by Bricklyne
I'm a purist, not a racist
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Dec. 4, 2012, 3:01 p.m. CST
You know you're a racist when you're whining about the change of race of a fictional character that 90% of people don't know any way in a godawful unnecessary remake/reboot blatant cash-grab scheme...
by Bricklyne
....kinda like ultratron... ....or yourmomsbox3d... ....or johno..... ....or marcionrising.... ....or even back_to_the_chopper with this gem of oblivious and completely unself-aware piece of unintentional comedy/tragedy gold:- >>>> I'm a purist, not a racist Hi-larious!!!!!
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Dec. 4, 2012, 3:05 p.m. CST
Love the new Spidey, better than the Raimi films and more true to the character in every meaningful way. Really looking forward to the new one.
by chifforobe
The CG Lizard was the only true downside to the new films, and it still outmatched any Raimi villain by a long shot. Hopefully Electro will look better, but otherwise I'm completely interested in this sequel. The first could hardly have been better-- I completely disagree with the hate on this one (and I enjoy hating movies).
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Dec. 4, 2012, 3:05 p.m. CST
Nick Fury was originally white, but nobody gave a dam that he's now black! I didn't
by Kyle DeMattio
And you can tell because The Avengers is one of the Top 5 highest grossing movies of ALL TIME! And in response to what one guy said, Mr. Osborn did not kill Peter's uncle. Some lowlife thug with locks of hair killed him.
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The film makers are hiring a black actor on purpose. Normally that would be fine...except they chose FUCKING JAMIE FOXX. It makes the plot PAINFULLY OBVIOUS If it's racist to complain about Jamie Foxx, then it's the studio that's the biggest race baiter off all.
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Dec. 4, 2012, 3:15 p.m. CST
Get over the white/black thing, people. His race is not important to the character.
by Wanda Tinasky
A black Kingpin or a black Electro doesn't alter the characters' stories at all. Their skin color has NOTHING to do with the character. The same is true of The Falcon or Deathlok or the Punisher. Changing the skintone changes some of the attitude of the character but it doesn't change WHO they are because that is defined by their actions and circumstance. A white Black Panther, or a black "Norse" god is a different story. The racial identities are key to the story of those characters. Not so with Electro.
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because that's what I remember from the Amazing 90s cartoon. Consider yourselves thoroughly ... ... ... ... Jenkinsed
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Foxx is a talented actor but a major Obama worshiping tool. You think he would praise a white guy in office who did the exact same things Barack O. Has done?! Hell no! So yeah- racism is universal - especially in Hollywood.
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Dec. 4, 2012, 3:27 p.m. CST
Will DC sue because he's too similar to Black Lightning?
by Domi'sInnerChild
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Dec. 4, 2012, 3:28 p.m. CST
Wow-- they hired Jamie Foxx? On purpose? Clearly they are the racists. That makes sense-- if you've just had a lobotomy.
by chifforobe
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Dec. 4, 2012, 3:35 p.m. CST
“I think Electro will be an exciting character to play because he's a … genius electrician-type person, and he gets the short end of the stick from the whole world, and the next thing you know he turns it on.”
by 2soon2eat
ACTUAL QUOTE Hahahahah!!!!
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In fact I flat out loved it compared to DKRises...which was complete shit. I still hold Raimi Spidey 2 up there with the greats though as it SO delivered on the promise of the first one. Spidey three sucked balls, But I put DKrises just under Batman and Robin on the worst list for me. there was so much wrong with that movie. Hopefully Webb can lighten up the mood a little bit for this next one. It would be great to get a Hero that feels like a hero and not hiding in the shadows. Not everything has to be Gritty.
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Electro = Ultimate Tragic Victim Abused by the System Obviously Oz corp is the true villain. Electro is LITERALLY a dark mirror to Peter Parker, now, with an obvious racial context.
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You assholes know you're being trolled, right? No one gives a flying fuck. Some people can't help but want to feel morally superior, I guess.
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is why all urban movie villains are white, considering that blacks comprise a disproportionate share of urban crime. Then again, I always love seeing the token white gang member on TV.
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Pure and simple. It's fucking Elektro. Nobody gives a shit if he's not white. His race has nothing whatsoever to do with anything.
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Dec. 4, 2012, 4:03 p.m. CST
Jamie Foxx & Andrew Garfield would work better together in a remake of Money Train.
by jellypop
Err...maybe....not...
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Dec. 4, 2012, 4:06 p.m. CST
The DiCaprio/Tetsuo kid from Chronicle as Harry is great--Foxx seems odd for a baddie
by Drath
Not to typecast these actors, but I'm not used to Foxx as a heavy. Deep down I still think of him as Ugly Girl (and yeah, don't get me started on his In Living Color costar Jim Carrey's campy turn as the Riddler), so Foxx playing this part surprises me. Also really hoping Norman Osbourne is in this even if Green Goblin isn't.
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It was such a superficial remake of the first Spider-Man film. Why are they making a sequel? I'm at zero anticipation for this.
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Dec. 4, 2012, 4:08 p.m. CST
Seriously. What does it matter the colour of a person's skin?
by jellypop
Broaden your horizons and add some damn imagination to your lives.
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Now while Webb and Andrew Garfield did MUCH better than I thought they would have they really didn't get to the meat of the character. The Amazing Spider-Man, while having great moments of creativity, felt mostly superficially like Spider-Man. Oh, yes, their was a little more of the humor (and rather forced humor at that) and there certainly was a more creative use of his powers (loved the bit in the sewer using his web lines to pick up vibrations) but Webb and Garfield's Parker becomes Spider-Man...because. They hit all the story beats but nothing ever feels organic. Peter Parker gets bit and gains his power, but it's never explained how. Uncle Ben is shot, but there's never that sense of moral culpability on Peter's part. Moreover, not only does Uncle Ben never give his "Great Power/Great Responsibility" speech (they instead opt for a speech that's much less open for interpretation), his death was needless! Fighting with a young guy over a gun? Uncle Ben wasn't murdered so much as he was punked. Gwen Stacy...okay, that just wasn't Gwen Stacy. Loved Emma Stone, but she played a generic blonde. And a scientist? Seriously? Anyone who ever read the comics know that wasn't the case. Raimi and Maguire, on the other hand, really nail down the character physically and emotionally. Peter is driven by that sense of guilt, what he could have done and didn't do to stop the man that murdered his uncle, the man who raised him. Maguire plays him like the shy wallflower that Peter is, the blue collar pushover that takes it in the ass. Garfield plays a generic 17 year old who gets bullied at school. And let us not forget the art direction! Raimi's Spider-Man films LOOKED like the Ditko and Romita Spider-Man comics. Webb's was...nothing in particular. Now don't misunderstand, I enjoyed Webb's Spider-Man and look forward to a much stronger (I hope) sequel. But if I have to choose I'll take Raimi's films every time.
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Dec. 4, 2012, 4:12 p.m. CST
Here we go again. Casting Famous Celebrities as famous characters. Simply based on their notoriety. Screw being true to the character.
by Orionsangels
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The casting of Jamie Foxx as Electro makes perfect sense seeing as the Spidey movie reboot is based on the Ultimate Spider-Man comics series. Guess what? In the Ultimate Universe, Electro is BLACK. It's really not that difficult to find this stuff out, you know.
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Dec. 4, 2012, 4:27 p.m. CST
I thought ASM was an awful film full of plot holes. Then I watched the deleted scenes on the DVD....
by Meta
And I wondered why the fuck they didn't include most of these scenes in the Movie? It would have improved it 1000% fold. The ignorable drive-by-like shooting of Uncle Ben became a lot more tragic and motivating in the alternate version. Dr. Connors became a lot more understanding and sympathetic (nod to the fact they even included Billy Connors). Peter trying to help Connors with the Lizard became a lot more like the comic book. And even my biggest complaint about Connor's building an underground lab, in the sewer, literally "single-handed" became a lot less annoying with one line "I'm trying to keep a low profile". What the fuck was whoever had the final cut of this film thinking? I would have probably liked it if I saw that version. But my faith in whoever is making this next film is low because I can see they don't understand what makes Spider-Man, Spider-Man. I'm afraid it'll be a just a bunch of confidences to set up 3-D action scenes.
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Dec. 4, 2012, 4:27 p.m. CST
I think Electro will be an exciting character to play because he's a … genius electrician-type person, and he gets the short end of the stick from the whole world, and the next thing you know he turns it on."
by 2soon2eat
Hahahah!!!!! Shit Sandwich
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Oz corp won't let him finish his work! They took his project and gave it to someone else!
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Inner city people struggling to get by can't afford their Expensive Medical Cures! Electro, a victim of the system will take matters into his own hand. Oh nos! Here comes Spiderman to tell him that "with great power, comes great responsibility!" Tragically the lesson come Too Late!
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Dec. 4, 2012, 4:46 p.m. CST
Will he have a scene where he says "I like my Spiders....extra crispy."
by kindofabigdeal
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...Jamie Foxx is just a shitty choice for this role and this movie.
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Ask any Afro-American.
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USE ELECTRICITY!! Looks like Electro is going to have to "shut him down, baby!"
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Dec. 4, 2012, 4:54 p.m. CST
How do you stop Electro from raping a woman? You throw him a basketball.
by kindofabigdeal
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Dec. 4, 2012, 4:55 p.m. CST
How do you keep Electro from jumping on a bed? Put velcro on the ceiling.
by kindofabigdeal
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Dec. 4, 2012, 4:57 p.m. CST
Spoiler alert: Electro actually starts out the movie as a white guy.
by kindofabigdeal
Due to a freak electrical accident during a thunderstorm he is electrified. His skin turns black from being cooked and we now have Jamie Foxx as Electro.
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You really need to do your research and thinking outside of the box on this issue. BET was created BECAUSE of the lack of representation and positive portrayal of black people on TV. It was simply about catering to themselves and not waiting for white america to hopefully one day maker something for anyone other than themselves in mind. Remember it was white America that enforced the label 'black' and insisted that 'blacks' be segregated and disadvantaged in society yet you complain about one TV network owned by African Americans out of hundreds by white america? Really? As for the 'Black Girls Rock' award/organisation its all about empowering those young girls from the same disadvantaged social situations that they have been locked in for decades. How dare they encourage girls from the black community to have pride in themselves instead of being suicidal that they are not born looking like Miley Cyrus or Paris Hilton's privilege. You speak as though all things are equal, the other races came to America of their own free will they were not 'invited involuntarily' but thats a whole different issue. As this pertains to Jamie Foxx being cast as Electro why do these castings devolve into critiques of the black community and entertainment industry all the time???
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Dec. 4, 2012, 5:13 p.m. CST
The Cosby Show was a positive role model for "black viewers".
by kindofabigdeal
Good Times was a funny show for it's time. And George Jefferson was the embodiment of black empowerment. He didn't take shit from anybody. Shows like 227 and A Different World didn't fare so well cause they sucked. Early 90's provided plent of great "black programming" in the mainstream. Look at the success of In Living Color which helped to create huge success stories such as Jim Carey and Jamie Foxx himself. And who could argue about the Wayans Brothers and their multiple film careers that shows no sign of waning. We also had Arsenio Hall take the center stage in talk show hosting duties. And shows like Martin and New York Undercover were big at the time as well. But then the quality of shows started to suck. I'm sure they had their fans but their quality sure went down and we started to see a whole lot of the same. You can't recycle the same jokes for 20 years. Now if a show is of good quality it will get some air time. Look at Chappelle Show. That was the biggest thing on tv when it aired. The point is you don't 'need' a BET if your putting out good quality programming. All this does is allow a free pass to anything that appeals to ethnicity and keeps recycling jokes from the WB era.
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Dec. 4, 2012, 5:24 p.m. CST
Electro is COMPLETELY arbitrarily white. His race has nothing to do with the character. He's a flimsy, nothing character, a good fit for what should be a flimsy, nothing film.
by kevred
Nothing wrong with a black actor in this role, or Foxx himself, but let's face it, this is stunt casting for a movie that the world is not asking for, and is not at all excited for. With the ascension of super-hero films, this should be victory-lap/coronation time for Spidey. Instead, he's been relegated to also-ran status thanks to a boring reboot full of no-names. Just when every other major franchise has hit it out of the park, Spidey's being demoted to "who cares" status.
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should be the name of the talkback section, you fuckers got some serious issues !!!!
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....and they do this a lot, the shitty writer 'blacks up' the character. Ie. 'spidey must be white you never see a brother wearin red and blue wetsuit, brothers hate water' or 'Gwen once you go black' if the character is still just a prick who robs banks and shocks spidey without race based s block dialogue I'm fine.
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..is all Id like to know. First, Amazing Spiderman sucked balls. I liked all the actors (ok maybe not the guy who played Conners, he was a bit to "shweaty") the film was just terribly written. Having said that I'm willing to pretend the first movie never happened, if the writers of the sequel do the same. And Electro is a far better villian than, to quote Carl Weathers, "A fucking Lizard." And who gives a shit what race Electro is, the only reason Wild Wild West was stupid is cus the film had no resemblance of historical realism. A black cowboy was the least of that film's problems. The main thing will be making Electro realistic without making him a copy of whiplash. on the big screen. In order to do this, Electro needs to have his powers modified... - He'll have to control electricity, not wield it: Having lightening bolts shooting out of his fingertips is stupid. I remember in the TV show Electro had some cool powers; imagine if u could control anything electrical. Spidey would have to battle everything from blenders to bulldozers! ...ok maybe not blenders but you get the idea.
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People, stop fucking mentioning BET. The day BET has something worthwhile on the air, and it keeps it on the air, on that day the letters B, E and T can come out of your mouths. When they stop airing 106 and Park and the "Blackbuster Movie" stops being Baby Boy, then you all can start asking why don't you have your own version of BET. There hasn't been shit on BET since it came on the air but music videos. There are no equivalents of NCIS or Lost on BET. I've seen more positive black representation on Nickelodeon... another Viacom network. Besides white people, you guys have MTV that has a show that glorifies dumb ass, should have made their equally dumb as fuck boyfriends wear a condom, knocked up teenage mothers.... and Snookie... also another Viacom network. With those two shows alone, BET should never be mentioned by anyone in any kind of envious way.
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In the upcomming Shaft reboot, Channing Tatum is attached to star as the eponymous lead....
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1/2?
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Dec. 4, 2012, 6:11 p.m. CST
autodialect: Not havingNot having Uncle Ben say "With Great Power Comes Great Responsibility" in the movie didn't bother me since he didn't say in AMF 15 it was a narration
by MRJONZ72
However since my comic reading days ended some 20 years ago. I was informed that it been retcon in flashbacks that he has said..which is cool but I really didn't care if he said it or not in this movie or not. Now can someone tell me if it was in Raimis Spider-man that Uncle Ben first actually said the words and the comics followed suit, or did the comics do it first?
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And fuck Jamie Foxx. Fuck him until his asshole is like donkey asshole.
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Now THAT I would watch!
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Dec. 4, 2012, 6:42 p.m. CST
Aren't race relations supposed to be all fixed since Obama "United" us all?
by fanboy71
Yes, that was sarcasm. Now excuse me while I go donate to the United Caucasian College Fund, or attend the Miss White America Pageant, or watch White Entertainment Telivision, or join the White Caucus. Any of these would be considered racist, yet it's okay if it's black instead of white. When are we going to just see people as people? Probably never. So stop fucking up my Superhero movies by changing the race of the characters. (And stop casting short people to play Jack Reacher)
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Dec. 4, 2012, 6:43 p.m. CST
You have to admit, all of us Electro fans are absolutely horrified that they're going to rewrite Electro's ethnicity.
by Baked
What's your favorite ice cream?
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How will they address his childhood growing up in Bratislava as the child of pig farmers and his youth as a mercenary and arms dealer in the Ukraine? Lots and lots of questions we have to address. No, but seriously, racists, you think in pitch meetings someone was like, Okay, so we have this villain...and he's white...and he controls electricity? Hell no...he was white because white was (AND STILL IS) the default race. It's what you give a character when you haven't even thought of giving the character a race. What's your favorite ice cream? I don't know...cold? Yeah, that's a great flavor. I would hate if they replaced it with something like chocolate. This racist shit makes me laugh my balls off.
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Dec. 4, 2012, 6:54 p.m. CST
Alternate universe where everyone is black? by tdilla68 Nah, we just prefer one where the white people aren't racist...
by gk1
best post in here.
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Dec. 4, 2012, 6:59 p.m. CST
FFFUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKK!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
by The_All_Dead
...ah its ok, the last one was dull stupid boring nonviolent crap that missed the entire point of HOW uncle ben died forces him to wear this suit. So im fine with this I really dont even care....ok bye.
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Dec. 4, 2012, 7:16 p.m. CST
You'd be surprised. Electrical engineer = Dude who works on the power lines = no money
by allyousay
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Stone is not signed to a multi-picture deal. Gwendy is toast. Given that this is the second film in a probable trilogy, she's probably toast in this one. And since she won't be killed by the Goblin, y'all can curse Webb the same way you now curse Raimi.
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I jacked it to a picture of Halle Berry in her Catwoman Suit and ... to the video of you fucking your sister. When you gonna upgrade to a double-wide?
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Foxx just gets make-up like the Wayans in 'White Chicks'. Will that satisfy you all?
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The first film in this reboot series was awful. A contrived plot with second rate acting. They got away with it, so watch this series keep dumbing itself down to appeal to the Twilight fans. Yeah, Jamie Foxx looks like Electro. Is he going to wear the green and yellow tights?
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A guy with electric powers! We haven't seen that before, Doctor Doom (in the FF movie) or Emperor Palpatine! Can we please get a lesser villain in an opening act action sequence for once, please?
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And I don't much care about a black dude as Electro... if it were for some good freaking reason!!! Electro being a 3rd tier villian doesn't take away from the fact that this is stunt casting for reasons of complete arbitrariness! And that every time I look at the movie I'll just be reminded about all the points I've already brought up! That political Hollywood bullshit kills my enjoyment of it! It's not Jamie Foxx's fault, but you can color me surprised if there actually is more to the Electro casting which drives the reason for a race change other than "We gotta do something different, oh, I know! Change the race!" It's part of the same stupid problem of redesigning costumes to be worse! It's change for the sake of changing shit! Or change for the sake of checking off the box next to the PC quota you have to meet for the scheduled year! Yeah, I'm sure Black people are feeling a lot of respect for that kind of treatment! So please, spare me the bullshit and just come out and admit your creativity is limited to such an extent that the only thing you can think of for Electro's character is changing his ethnicity or for some statistical reason, than pretending you're doing so for the sake of the greater 'racial' good! 'Race' doesn't exist anyway... Humans have the same melanin pigments and tissue around their faces and skeletal build, just to greater or lesser degrees. you want to see more black representation? Then adapt some actual black heroes, or hell, if Spidey's got too many white villians, come up with a new one! That'd be creative! I might actually be mroe intrigued to see your film with a villian I haven't seen before!
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...and he is NOT a genius. He's practically a retard. That's the ONLY REASON Spider-Man was ever able to beat him. His powers basically make him a living god, but he's too fucking dumb to figure out any sort of strategy past "blast that thing HARDER." They make him a genius in this movie and Spider-Man beats him by dumping water on him it's going to be fucking dumb.
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Becausemthey thought he would be cool, and race was,a secondary consideration. all those complaining clearly see him asmamblack actor, and not an actor who happens to be black. they're going to,be very unhappy with the future.
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I can see Jamie has already researched this role heavily. For fuck's sake. Electro is a thug with a rudimentary understanding of electricity - enough to fix power lines. He is in no way a 'genius' when it comes to anything. If he was, he might actually be one of Spider-Man's more dangerous villians. But he's not. He's a dumbshit who thinks he can win any fight by throwing a lot of juice at it. Spider-man once defeated him simply by wearing rubber gloves and booties. Electro ranks, in Spider-Man's rogue's gallery, somewhere between schmucks like The Human Fly and Boomerang. They're really scraping the bottom of the barrel when it comes to villains for this reboot. Yes, Electro and the Lizard were early Spider-Man villains, but they are hardly the cream of the crop. Here's a list for Sony to consider for the future installments. Green Goblin (hopefully this is already decided) Hobgoblin (Spider-Man's best villain ever) Kingpin (maybe reserve him for Daredevil) Kraven (Spidey's 2nd best villain) Mysterio (quirky, but still cool) Rhino (CGI hulk worked...) Scorpion (always liked him visually) Shocker (he'd work great on film) Vulture (a classic Spidey villain) Spider-Man has one of the richest rogue's galleries in comics. Some say Batman does, or the Flash, but fuck those guys; Spider-Man has the coolest villains. Unfortunately, Electro ain't one of them. Still, Jamie Foxx is a pretty good actor. Maybe it'll be cool. I hope they go with the bald Max Dillon look in the leather jumpsuit, kind of like Cole from the INFAMOUS video game.
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Dec. 4, 2012, 9:49 p.m. CST
I hope this next movie is the final nail in the coffin for Sony's Spider-Man rights
by Joey_Redballs
Hurry up, Sony. Make this crap as fast as you can. Please! Hurry! Hurry! Hurry!
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Dec. 4, 2012, 9:57 p.m. CST
you guys are basing opinions and ideas from 616, and this reboot is pretty much Ultimate universe, with minor alterations.
by gk1
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Seriously? I think Foxx will kick this thing's ass, excited to see it.
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Isnt it called NBC? CW11? CBS? Fox? BET is one channel... One! MUHAFUCKING ONE TV STATION BETWEEN HOW MANY WHITE OWNED AND CONTROLLED CABLE AND BASIC TV STATIONS?!!! WHAT THE FUCK!? AND SPEAKING OF WHICH BET IS NOT EVEN 'BLACK OWNED' ANYMORE! SO YOUR ARGUEMENT IS POINTLESS!
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race isn't the issue. No ones complaining if Don Chedledeedellee or the guy he replaced as Warmachine, or a number of hard working actors like Omar Epps and Romany Malco who would do a better job than Foxx IMO. FOXX is a horrible actor. He ( with help from Colin ) sunk a 200 million dollar movie called Miami Vice. He stars in films like Stealth. His scenes in the Django previews make the movie look ludacris. Hey Ludacris would make a better Electro ... Hollywood is full of stupid ideas, thats why we have a GOTG movie and an Antman in production but no Black Panther. Chiwetel Ejiofor or Idris Elba would kill in that role. These guys make Foxx look like a joke. Which he is.
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...obviously a dare I say it.... darker, more menacing take on the character.
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And I'm rooting for it to fail. Prob will still get 95% on rotten tomatoes and it will be terrible like rises.
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Dec. 4, 2012, 11:21 p.m. CST
Amazing Spider-Man was AWFUL. It had NO HEART. Garfield made a decent spider-man, but got Peter Parker wrong. I liked the costume and some of the action, but the heart and soul of the thing was missing and the movie was bad. AMAZING SPIDER-MAN FELT LIKE T
by SirGaryColeman
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Dec. 4, 2012, 11:24 p.m. CST
I CAN'T WAIT UNTIL THEY REBOOT THE BLADE SERIES WITH JUSTIN TIMBERLAKE TAKING OVER FOR WESLEY SNIPES!!!!
by gruemanlives
Hell? If we're already mixing races of characters, why not genders? Instead of Iron Man being played by Robert Downey Jr., lets get Michelle Williams as Tony Stark for the Reboot. This is fucking stupid. I hope Black Panther is played by Nathan Fillion. Bah.
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Dec. 5, 2012, 12:52 a.m. CST
All this epic fail.....and no has brought up the name on the camera!...Quake in fear!
by darthSaul666
ASM was mediocre at best!
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Dec. 5, 2012, 1:01 a.m. CST
Electro could be purple,blue, or a fucking rainbow, the real question is will Sony/Columbia truly remake Spider-Man2?
by darthSaul666
The reboot has some big shoes to fill if you think about it that way!
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It was! It's last good movie was Spider-Man 3.... LMAO!
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I really loved this kid in Chronicle, and In Treatment, which he should have won an emmy for. I expect this kid to steal the movie I hope he has a major part.
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Tell me everything you know about Electro without Googling or wiki-ing him. If you stopped at he's white and has electric powers you fail at an arguement. If you anything else about Elctro You might have a reason to bitch but unless his race plays some important measure about his back story then you fail.
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"One of my biggest problems with the first firlm [sic] - outside of how untrue to Spidey it was - was how small it made that world feel by jamming all of these characters forcefully together into one arc." Right. Because that is completely unlike the comics.
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and is largely considered one of the worst things on television by most black people. Learn the difference between a marketing niche and discrimination, you morons. You want White Entertainment Television? Go ahead. Start that up, and try to find a way to separate yourself from the other hundred predominantly white channels using only cheap failed obscure content the way BET does. See how far the "novelty" of whites seeing themselves on TV gets you. Then pass what you learn along to the next financial genius who wants to start W.E.T.
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Dec. 5, 2012, 3:06 a.m. CST
I couldn't care less about a character's race. The choice of Electro, though...
by theyreflockingthisway
Terrible idea! I can't stand super villains who have powers like that just control things like electricity/water/sand etc - Spider-Man has too many of these dull villains. If you want a good nemesis for Spidey go with Green Goblin, Doctor Octopus or Venom. They're the most popular for a reason and just because you're rebooting doesn't mean you can't re-use them. The Dark Knight series re-used The Joker, Two Face, Bane and Catwoman from the previous series. If you have great villains you can use them again without having to repeat the same story. There is absolutely no way you can get me excited about Electro. I'd honestly 100% rather Spidey was simply going against common thugs and criminals than him. As for Jamie Foxx - go with whoever for this role if you think it'll help make the character more interesting. However I'd much rather read Jamie Foxx (or any actor) is Green Goblin / Doc Ock / Venom.
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I'll skip that one.
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Dec. 5, 2012, 3:15 a.m. CST
I'll bet they won't let Electro wear his costume, but some Hollywood shit
by ratpack223
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Dec. 5, 2012, 3:45 a.m. CST
Wow, people are bitching about Foxx like he might taint the alleged greatness that is this new ASM franchise...
by American Mythos
... Foxx, to me, can only elavate what was a shitty first outing by Webb, Garfield, Stone and company. If anything, Foxx is doing the sequel a service. My interest was dying after reading ASM's reviews and completely dead after watching that turd of a film. The casting of Foxx actually has me mildly interested in the sequel, as well as the choice of Electro. At least it won't be as much a tiring retread of Raimi territory as the first film was. Here's hoping...
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Dec. 5, 2012, 3:50 a.m. CST
Ahahahahaha foxx man with 2 x is so gay...and cant act 4 his life!
by muri71
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Dec. 5, 2012, 3:51 a.m. CST
won an oscar for playing an afro american with shade and a white smile....muhahaha
by muri71
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Dec. 5, 2012, 4:08 a.m. CST
I had a sex dream about Lindsay Lohan last night. (Not my conscious choice) Will this give me AIDs in real life?
by Sean
Jamie Foxx is in love with the sound of his own voice. Colaterol does NOT give him a free pass. He will overact his arse off. Fuck him.
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As he pointed out above, this Spidey is based on the Ultimate line. Therefore, Electro IS black.
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Will this mean he will sit in his Section 8 apartment all day and night smoking weed and playing Play Station 3? Will he have a portrait of the last supper in his apartment depicting Obama as Jesus? Will he have a sister with the letters QUA as part of her first name? Will there be grape soda in his refrigerator? Will be pronounce "ask" as "Axe"? Will he live within walking distance of a Church's restaurant? Just askin'
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Electro gets the best line ever in a Spidey movie.
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Nobody's been mentioning it, thought I would contribute. Movie will be a dud before it even comes out, like Superman.
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Jamie Foxx can be a good actor but of course Electro has ALWAYS been a white character. Its not a black or white thing. What if a white actor played Spawn or Blade? I wouldn't accept that just like having a black Electro is stupid.
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Coulda sworn he was black. Been awhile since I read 'em. Oh well. I shan't argue comics with somebody named dazzler.
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I am glad he is in the movie. Marvel and DC comics are both fucking racist companies anyway. Most of the characters were created in the 60s when racism was at an all time high, drawn by white guys would did't give a fuck about black people and would never have hired a black artist or writer in those days, that's why we dont have any decent black characters. So fuck all of you stupid racist crybabies that complain when a character is changed to black. I love it. If the actor is good in his role I don't care what color he his. In fact I hope one day we get a black James Bond, just so I can enjoy all of the fucking racist crybaby bitches moan and groan.
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first time i saw Jamie Foxx on stage making extremely passive-aggresive white jokes, I said to myself... Electro.
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Dec. 5, 2012, 7:17 a.m. CST
He accepted the role because the character is a genius electrician-type person
by Ricardo
Nice. Nice.
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Dec. 5, 2012, 7:18 a.m. CST
An Oscar winning actor was cast as the next Spider-Man villain and people are complaining
by SithMenace
I don't get it.
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Nolan should have used Foxx as the Joker in DK. That would explain the whole perma-white fiasco. But alas, Nolan's probably a fucking racist too right?
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But there's no way they can top Simmons version. Say what you want about Raimi, but Jameson was dead on.
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He's a racist as well. From his political positioning, comments against whites and his "Obama is Lord and Savior" proclamation -- he's showed his ass. Now that his racist nature is out there for everyone to see, his white audience is done with him and will dry up. ASM 2 will suck anyway, but Foxx just ensured that it will really tank. Django will be a flop too. Just ask Martin Lawrence how that "white-hate" is working for his career...
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Dec. 5, 2012, 7:46 a.m. CST
Jamie foxx shared Micheal Jackson with us whiteys. We passed Jackson around the bukkake and handed him back no worse for wear. Just white from our bukkake spray.
by UltraTron
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Dec. 5, 2012, 7:57 a.m. CST
He's not an academy award winning actor. He's a lucky guy who did a passable ray impersonation and then used his Oscar to score action roles like stealth.
by UltraTron
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Dec. 5, 2012, 7:58 a.m. CST
Stealth. Where he plays the token dead black guy. Real challenging roles
by UltraTron
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Dec. 5, 2012, 8:36 a.m. CST
Why isn't anyone complaining about Elector being in this?
by Andrew Coleman
I mean it's a huge let down. Every dip shit who hates on Raimi's movies cries about the Goblins mask. Well we were obviously on our way to a genetically deformed Goblin... Instead we get Django as Electro? I don't care if Foxx got the role the character is weak and will not work in Webb's "Lets do Spider-man cheap and dark" approach. Electro only would have worked with Raimi. A big fight in day light. His electric blasts flipping cars and causing mass destruction. After watch ASM I have no hope the sequel will be any good. Webb was terrible and the cast was weak.
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Dec. 5, 2012, 9:06 a.m. CST
Y'all realize that white entertainment television would be called WET right?
by Stephen
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You can't tell me that people won't love the Rhino the same way they went crazy for the Hulk in Avengers? Especially kids. Not saying he has to be the lead villain, but a formidable henchman as he is often depicted in the comics and cartoons.
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Dec. 5, 2012, 9:54 a.m. CST
janie foxx is a solid actor who does very well under a good director
by Stephen
so he will be awful in this movie.
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Dec. 5, 2012, 9:56 a.m. CST
Mike Tyson as the Rhino, but get James Earl Jones to dub the voiceover.
by SergeantStedenko
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Dec. 5, 2012, 10 a.m. CST
wait so are we supposed to believe that the guy at the end of ASM1 with the doc brown hair is jamie foxx?
by Stephen
cuz i dont buy it.
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I can't get excited about this reboot. Rebooting a successful series after 10 years is stupid; even Batman had longer than that and at least there was a real need for a reboot because it was so mired in schlock. The previous Spider-Man films were just fine, the fact that Venom crapped all over the third movie notwithstanding. Once the new film came around, the reviews basically confirmed it was nothing special or important. So I'm supposed to care about who's in the sequel?
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Dec. 5, 2012, 11:33 a.m. CST
Yikes, it's alarming when geeks show their racist side...
by American Mythos
... I'm trying to imagine Star Trek nerds at a Klan rally. That's what this TalkBack feels like. Hats off especially to Megabeth. Her post is only missing an avatar of Edward Norton making that black guy bite the curb.
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Reboot Blade with Justin Timberlake!?!? Are you on crack? Justin BIEBER, on the other hand ...
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Can't wait! I guess if you're okay with a black Electro, Nick Fury, Heimdall etc. you'd be equally cool with a white T'Challa, or Falcon or Power Man. Fair's fair. T.
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Dec. 5, 2012, 11:57 a.m. CST
Baxter Stockman was a black mad scientist in the TMNT comics, turned white for the first animated TMNT series...
by American Mythos
... there was nothing uniquely black about Stockman, just like there's nothing uniquely white about Electro. A good actor is a good actor, and Foxx is an Academy Award winner who can only elevate this new franchise after the shitty first film.
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What's a firlm?
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If you complain about Foxx getting the role because he's a mediocre actor then I agree, but if you are bitching and whining because they changed fucking Electro, who hasn't been relevant to the comic in years, into a black guy then you are a racist! Bottom line! Who gives a shit that he supports Obama, WTF does that have to do with anything?! I'm not a huge fan of his, but I think he'll bring something to the movie. Go outside and make some black friends you swarm of racist assholes!!!
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Dec. 5, 2012, 2:23 p.m. CST
lol jhemp00 "make some black friends" so they can say "I'm not racist! I have black friends!" while still being racist
by Stephen
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Dec. 5, 2012, 2:25 p.m. CST
Hey, Can someone give me directions to the Klan meetin'?
by death metal batman
Nevermind, I found it.
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Dec. 5, 2012, 3 p.m. CST
There should be a racial filter on the talkback, sad little bitches...
by taosjedi
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Dec. 5, 2012, 3:47 p.m. CST
@taillefer, if you think that race is equally important to all those characters, you'd flat wrong.
by kevred
Race is essential to Panther, Falcon, and Luke Cage. It's an essential part of how the character is defined, their entire outlook, their choices in life and their choices of how to act as a super-character. But, no matter how familiar white Electro, Fury, and Heimdall are, race simply isn't as important a part of their characters - or part of it at all, really. Apples and oranges. I'm as cynical as anyone about the way good properties are botched when Hollywood gets a hold of them, but your analysis of this case is inaccurate.
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Amazing Spider-Man was 100x truer to the comic books than the Raimi films...as was the portrayal of Peter Parker / Spider-Man. Those of you running it down for "getting it wrong" clearly didn't grow up reading Amazing Spider-Man comics, the way I did.
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Dec. 5, 2012, 5:18 p.m. CST
There's nothing more appalling or antithetical to comics, sci-fi and fantasy than racism. So...
by American Mythos
... when geeks display that type of irrational hatred, it's exceptionally ugly, more so than if it were coming from joe six pack bigot himself. This kind of venom (pardon the pun) is starting to make me come around to the idea of rooting for this film. If anything, I hope it's leagues better than the first disappointment.
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Dec. 5, 2012, 8:08 p.m. CST
Thoughts on The Amazing Spider-Man & Jamie Foxx as Electro
by FuckOffChristopherNolanNutHuggers
I always had a fondness for Sam Raimi's Spider-Man flicks; they're fun, campy and injected a lot of heart. I absolutley loved the casting of Dafoe as Norman Osbourne and Alfred Molina as Doc Ock. Hell, Thomas Hayden Church made a pretty damn good Sandman, but the script wasn't up to par and the whole secret killer of Uncle Ben twist seemed forced an un-needed, but otherwise, he did well in the roll. At first, I was dreading Amazing Spider-Man. I was turned off by the prospect of another origin story and taking a step back to Peter in High School again, but I went to it with an open mind, and I was pleasently surprised: Amazing Spider-Man was solid, it did have some flaws, but over all, I enjoyed it much better then Raimi's films. I'm not going to be like most of you people here with the one or the other mentality; I enjoyed both versions. What I really liked about Amazing Spider-Man was that it had the vibe of a hybrid of the Stan Lee/Steve Ditko run and the Stan Lee/John Romita Sr. run -- the origin was changed up, as happens with every single superhero adaption (That includes all Marvel Produced flicks,Dick Donner's Superman the Movie and Chris Nolan's Batman films) but I felt that it carried the spirit of the old school Spider-Man stories (and on that note, if your knowledge of Spider-Man stems from that god aweful 90's cartoon and not the early comics, then you can just fuck off) As for Jamie Foxx, it's great casting. I'm a white guy and I'm still scratching my head about why race is such a big issue to some of you. I'd rather a Jamie Foxx Electro because of his acting skills then a Nic Cage Electro just because he has the skin color. It could be worse, they could cast the most generic one note actor for the role like they did for Nick Fury (But I blame Millar and Hitch for thinking that it was a good idea to have Fury drawn like Sam Jackson for their reboot/remake comic series, The Ultimates... good job, dipshits.) I'm personally looking forward to what Foxx brings to the role of Electro.
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Dec. 5, 2012, 9:48 p.m. CST
Now I have to sit in the theater with a bunch of them there darkies.
by davsan38
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imagine him screeching "Die Spider-Man! Die!" through that beautiful starfish mask
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"I'm not racist, but..." oh fuck you. You'd swear it was actually important. Get a life, seriously racist assholes.
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YOU HEARD IT HERE FIRST!
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Theoretically, SF and fantasy present themselves as "above" this. But you need only look at the ethnic composition of books, comics, film and television to see that the lead roles skew white wayyyy out of proportion to their actual percentage of population. That, in fact, for most of the existence of genre literature, it was 99.9% what I'd call "white people and their imaginary friends." Fans are some of the smartest, nicest people I've met, and I've been in the SF field for over 30 years. But they are also human beings, and human beings are tribal. Yeah, they'd like not to be, they'll give lip service about it ("I don't see race" and other nonsensical comments. Right. And I "don't see gender", proving that I believe in equal rights for women. Oh, please). All you're seeing here is white guys uncomfortable with the way the world is changing. They don't mind Johnny Depp playing Tonto, but have Jamie Foxx play a minor character formerly depicted as white (and his race never, ever, for a moment had the slightest thing to do with Electro's personality. I read all that stuff when it was first released.) a nd the sky is falling. It is sad, and very human. Nerds are nice people. But they're people.
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Dec. 6, 2012, 8:30 a.m. CST
The gift wrapping shouldn't matter, it's the present inside.
by Mcgyver29
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Dec. 6, 2012, 8:33 a.m. CST
You racists probably think the Blade reboot which is to be played by a white lead would be okay, huh?
by Mcgyver29
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Fuck him and his Obama is my fucking saviour shit.
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You're not fooling anybody.
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Dec. 6, 2012, 9:53 a.m. CST
There ya go, hatespeech! That's some good ol'-down-home-finga-lickin'-good racism!
by BrannigansLaw
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Black Entertainment Television is owned by white people. Just like all the other TV channels.
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Dec. 6, 2012, 12:46 p.m. CST
Foxx will be the best actor on set. Maybe he can save this series from that first POS
by MoneyGrabSequel
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A Blade reboot with a white guy is just fine. Let the doors open wide, and allow ALL roles: Superman, Batman, Bond, Shaft, Superfly EVERYTHING be cast color-neutral. I guarantee it isn't blacks who would howl "foul" the loudest. The only reason we're defensive at all is that it has been so fucking hard to carve out the smallest niche, and white audiences allow white actors to play role that should go to Asians, Native Americans, and even blacks (Anthony Hopkins in "The Human Stain", anyone? Angelina Jolie in "A Mighty Heart"?) It's a total joke, and with Johnny Depp's casting as Tonto I get that the game is totally rigged, and from now on--fuck it. Denzel for General McArthur, bitches.
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Seems some intent had to go into the creation of certain characters doesn't it? I could theorize on numerous Marvel No Prize possibilities, but where is the defence of the artists's (includes writers) intentions? I have no problem with experimentation. I'm a diehard Thor fan, and though perplexed with Heimdall's casting, was won over by the performance. If anything, I wish Hogun was portrayed as convincingly. Point is, those that call themselves fans who are upset by purists have some soul-searching to do. If social statements at the expense of the intent and purity of the artform is primary over integrity, then it's a lose-lose situation for those critics who believe maintaing authenticity is "racist". Electro isn't a character whose identity depends on his race, but there is a historical graphic imprint as to what the character looks like and these things should matter as much in film as they did in the books. I don't want Black Panther played by a white actor and I don't want Thor played by a black actor. The art suffers, the narrative suffers...One could certainly tolerate a changed depiction, an alternate peformance for a time, but consistency in the mythos left to constant change waters down the bedrock of the book's history. It's sad that the argument is reduced to skin colour and not artistic integrity, or at bare minimum a columnated rationale behind either justification without denegrating on the basis of melatonin retention.
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zounds says..."Point is, those that call themselves fans who are upset by purists have some soul-searching to do. If social statements at the expense of the intent and purity of the artform is primary over integrity, then it's a lose-lose situation for those critics who believe maintaing authenticity is "racist" <p> The artform wasn't pure. It was tainted by the racism of the times. <P> We are dealing with characters, not historical figures. They can be changed unless the character HAD to be a certain race in the initial creation of the character (which was stiffled by the racism of the day). <p> Black Panther has to be black because he was SPECIFICLY created to be black by Marvel Comics. <p> Electro wasn't created to be white on purpose. He was white because the racism of the times made black characters UNTHINKABLE (with the exception of extremely peripheral or racist comedic ones). <p> That purity argument is pure bullshit!
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