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Weyland-Tyrell...

Published at: Oct. 8, 2012, 6:16 p.m. CST

 

A while back, one of my posts dealt with a burgeoning conspiracy theory that Ridley Scott's ALIENverse - most notably PROMETHEUS - would somehow interconnect to his 1982 BLADE RUNNER film, whose universe is also being revisited by the director in the not-too-distant future. 

Some Geeks immediately fell in love with the notion of this interconnected universe. Others found it silly fanboy theorization and wankery.  

THIS new piece over at ScreenCrush now reveals that the BLADE RUNNERverse and the ALIENverse were/are, indeed, closer to being formally / officially connected than any of us were aware.  

Per ScreenCrush...

An eagle-eyed Reddit user caught a glimpse at the below text, written by character Peter Weyland (Guy Pearce), which seems to indicate that Weyland’s mentor was a certain replicant-creating tycoon whose creations eventually got the best of him. Check it out:

 

But that's not the extent of the matter.  THIS piece at FirstShowing indicates:

Update: There's more! Thanks to reader @stephenstaunton there's apparently a "Supplementary Pod" on the Blu-Ray as well that really makes big hints at this cross-universe as well. So it may be real? Check out this screenshot below from one of the featurettes titled "Merging Ridleyverses" - not obvious enough yet? Here's part of a transcript he sent me: "There's one idea that I'm very sad that we didn't do. Ridley, one day, came in and said, "You know, I'm thinking what if it's the Weyland-Tyrell Corporation? Is that cool?"

[EDIT]

The information comes from concept artist Ben Proctor, who is talking in the "Merging Ridleyverses" featurette. He continues with more on Ridley's ideas: "Maybe the bodyguards, you know, that come out with Weyland, maybe one of them says Batty on his uniform. And we're like "Awesome! Do it, do it!"

 

So there you go.  I can't begin to express how much I wish Scott & Co. had moved forward with this.  Truthfully, I generally detest crossovers of this nature.  But this one, somehow, makes so much sense!  And, at the risk of sounding defensive and annoying (moreso than usual, at least),  I simply must take one teeny-weeny moment to say: "See! I wasn't crazy!"  Damn naysayers ;-) 

The amazingly awesome PROMETHEUS Blu-ray  - choc full o' expansive extras and a large amount of deleted material which begins to answer at least a few questions left over by Scott's arguably oblique Summer extravaganza - hits tomorrow. I haven't explored the Blu in full yet, but I've been extremely impressed by what I've seen thus far.  An amazing looking, very fine, fine product for an admittedly divisive - albeit utterly intriguing - film whose setting and characters will evidently see a forthcoming sequel.  

Be sure to click the links above to explore these recent revelations further...

 

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  • Oct. 8, 2012, 6:20 p.m. CST

    Okay, this would have indeed been awesome...

    by Bill C.

    ...and people still would have bitched about it, of course, but *I* would have found it awesome.

  • Oct. 8, 2012, 6:22 p.m. CST

    WOULD HAVE BEEN EXCITING...

    by Johnny Wrong

    ...had Prometheus not been utter shite. But it was.

  • Oct. 8, 2012, 6:24 p.m. CST

    Deckertheus?

    by BigTwinkie

    Man I hope that's not the name of the new Blade Runner....

  • Oct. 8, 2012, 6:26 p.m. CST

    Celebrity Master-Chief, nyuk!!

    by steve lee

  • Oct. 8, 2012, 6:27 p.m. CST

    Vickers was a replicant. David was an Android.

    by UGG

    Yutani eventually buys out Tyrell. Haters go back to The Avengers or whatever obligatory superhero movie is out at the moment.

  • Oct. 8, 2012, 6:30 p.m. CST

    NO JUST NO.

    by knowthyself

    Really this is fucking stupid. No.

  • Oct. 8, 2012, 6:39 p.m. CST

    It Would Be Awesome

    by Chris Crocker

    to see a version Decker/Ford battle an Alien. But let's be honest. This whole thing sounds like its based more on a whim of "wouldn't that be cool?" than an actual linked necessity in theme or story. Yeah both universes have robots/replicants, but themes are totally different. Alien films were meant to scare the shit out of people. B-grade scares made with A-list talent. There were some underlying themes of evil corporate puppet master infrastructures at work, but let's call a spade a spade. These are monster movies. Blade Runner explored what it meant to be human. The more philosophical universe of Prometheus would be adept at handling Blade Runner's universal theme, but at this stage what's the point? You have Weyland corp already deeply invested in androids. Why do you need to add Tyrell corp into the mix? To give these robots more fictional street cred? "Hey not only was Weyland making robots, but Tyrell corp taught them how!" Who gives a fuck? Now I'm not saying there couldn't be some cool moments created out of all this cross pollination, but right now it feels more like the throwing in of the kitchen sink approach. Making it appeal to fanboys (half of whom seem on the fence about this) does not help make it good. But it will be interesting to see, if for anything than the Alien, and now the Engineer's have lost some of their mystery.

  • Oct. 8, 2012, 6:41 p.m. CST

    I like it.

    by bubcus

    I re-listened to the audio commentary on my ALIEN DVD and was fascinated with many of the ideas Ridley Scott was proposing that eventually went into his PROMETHEUS film. Albeit I felt Prometheus was lacking, especially in making us care for characters, I liked the direction it was going in and I remain hopeful that Scott will continue to build on where he left off.

  • Oct. 8, 2012, 6:41 p.m. CST

    Meh

    by Barron34

    I am a Ridley Scott fan, but I still think BLADERUNNER needs to be left alone. Maybe Ridley will prove me wrong, but I don't find the idea of a sequel appealing. BLADERUNNER is such a modern classic, a great stand-alone science-fiction movie with incredible, influential production design, great visuals. Why tamper with success? Just my opinion.

  • Oct. 8, 2012, 6:46 p.m. CST

    Ridders needs to stop fucking around with his masterpieces

    by MustGoFaster

    Seriously. The guy is elderly and confused and for some reason trying to join the dots when there is no sensible reason to. He should hurry up and do Forever War before he croaks.

  • Anybody with sense would know what a failure full idea this would be.

  • Oct. 8, 2012, 6:53 p.m. CST

    It's not big, clever or cool. It's dreadful fanboy bullshit.

    by J.B.M.A.

    The kind of awful drivel liked by people who drool over AVP. Or want Batman to fight The Borg. Or get erections imagining that Darth Vader once met The Beyonder. Stop it. Just STOP IT. The two worlds are NOTHING alike.

  • I'm as upset as anyone that it went as far down the God route as it did, but it was still a fairly intelligent, epic, adult scifi flick that definitely was good enough to have earned itself a sequel or two.

  • Oct. 8, 2012, 6:57 p.m. CST

    Prometheus was well acted

    by gutshot

    for the most part, and well shot for sure. but the writing was so bad, confusing random with mysterious, i am so glad the sequel will have a new writer. Ridley only has one writing credit on imdb so as long a he does not have a retard banging on a keyboard for his next movies, im fine with an alien blade runner connection. as long as they dont go deckard was an engineer, they are from another dimentinon where the black goo is just lube and the aliens are holographic AIs that think they are just giving everyone hugs, and david took wailands blood even though he was only a head at that point, so he could turn wailand in to a replicant, because he was a secret agent for tyrell. then the doctor from prometheus is acting weird and they reviel that she has a nail through her hand because shes actually a replicant TOO! she died after the first movie and david implanted her memories that he gathered while she was sleeping in to a replicant as well! man this shit is easy.

  • Ridley's roots are in advertising. He knows what he's doing...

  • Oct. 8, 2012, 7 p.m. CST

    WOULD HAVE BEEN EXCITING...

    by Neil Harrison

    ...if I hadn't already read about this quite a few days ago on various other websites. Perhaps cool news should be renamed.

  • ...you can't say that about many flicks these days. Avengers, Dredd and Prometheus my top 3 for this year!

  • Oct. 8, 2012, 7 p.m. CST

    spelling errors, forgot to spell check, sorry

    by gutshot

    nothing like calling anyone stupid and then sounding illiterate

  • Oct. 8, 2012, 7:01 p.m. CST

    Prometheus 2

    by BD Mahony

    Electric Boogaloo

  • Oct. 8, 2012, 7:05 p.m. CST

    loved PROMETHEUS

    by brightgeist

    intelligent science fiction with great philosophical themes, visually awesome, great characters, very uniquely terrifying atmosphere... didn't disappoint me one bit, even though i had extremely high expectations. the third time i saw it was with Secret Cinema in London, and that was even more awesome, it even had a special introduction by Ridley Scott... and that was after 2 hours of basically being IN the movie in a huge building with about 100 actors taking you into the story, with the original vehicles from the movie there, and lots of other fun stuff :)

  • Oct. 8, 2012, 7:07 p.m. CST

    Prometheus 2 can't begin to fix all the cock-ups in P1

    by Raptor Jesus

    Jesus, that script was a piece of shit. I mean really. Good God. Just awful. It's a real 'WTF were they thinking' moment when the credits roll on that movie.

  • just like he changed the space jockeys to humanoids. It's all just what Ridley makes up as he goes along.

  • Oct. 8, 2012, 7:16 p.m. CST

    Prometheus will always be the Jar Jar Binks of movie sequels.

    by Doctor_Nefario

    Sorry, it was horrible.

  • ...it helps to clarify things a lot! I'm not a Scott/Lindelof apologist, it definitely needed better editing, but it's really not as bad as you initially think once you read into things and a second viewing helped tonnes. Make it happen and then judge it, I guarantee you'll think a lot better of it (probably.)

  • ...maybe someday we'll get a movie that portrays advanced alien races as being more than just monsters preoccupied with killing the shit out of us.

  • Oct. 8, 2012, 7:28 p.m. CST

    @cgih8r: Soz, fucked yer tag up, how rood.

    by steve lee

  • Oct. 8, 2012, 7:30 p.m. CST

    Kurt Russel's Soldier....

    by The Dum Guy

    Is also part of the universe, so we could have a showdown featuring Decker, Todd 3465, and an Alien versus Predator showdown.... It would have to make for the shittiest movie ever, or the greatest.

  • Oct. 8, 2012, 7:30 p.m. CST

    Ohhh...what if Jabba the Hutt was partners with Weyland?

    by Jobacca

    And...and...what if Darth Vader built both Roy Batty AND C-3PO!???!!! Genius!!!! But seriously....what the fuck has happened to Sir Ridley? Did he just get old and decide to become the second coming of Lucas?

  • Oct. 8, 2012, 7:42 p.m. CST

    Love stuff like this

    by Jackson

  • Oct. 8, 2012, 7:43 p.m. CST

    @the dum guy

    by brightgeist

    thanks, that really made me LOL :D

  • Oct. 8, 2012, 7:50 p.m. CST

    Prometheus = Jar Jar Binks = You are a fool.

    by IwatchMovies

    Nothing can compare to the last three "Star Turd" movies.

  • Oct. 8, 2012, 7:55 p.m. CST

    Parr of me thinks its silly, part of me thinks its cool.

    by Sean

    Imagine a full Ridleyverse to play with to rival the Marvel and Star Wars sandboxes. Black Hawk Down merged with White Squall. Gladiator with G.I Jane. Etc... Or a 'Scottverse'...Ridley and Tony's films co-existing. The Last Boy Scout with The Duellists or 1492. On second thoughts, that would be insane. Ahhh...the imagination running wild.

  • he gets a huge Madmartigan in his pants and slices Jar Jar Binks in half with a rusty fucking spoon!

  • Oct. 8, 2012, 7:56 p.m. CST

    Dunno if u peeps seen this yet, new pics of...

    by steve lee

    www.denofgeek.com/movies/robocop/22937/new-robocop-set-pics-michael-keaton-the-robocop-suit nut-nut-nut-nurr-nurrrrr...ROBOT-COP!! Still bad. Just a bit of silver, pleeeeeeeez?

  • Oct. 8, 2012, 8:02 p.m. CST

    ridley has said this before,

    by redteeb

    on the blade runner final cut commentary, he says he always imagined that nostromo came from the same earth presented in blade runner...makes sense to me...definitely makes more sense than an alien predator crossover anyways, just going by the tone and mood of both alien and blade runner. how explicitely the connection should be made is up for debate though...

  • Oct. 8, 2012, 8:11 p.m. CST

    Hoooooo boy!

    by D.Vader

    Now that's some cool geeky shit right there.

  • Oct. 8, 2012, 8:19 p.m. CST

    Yeah you guys act like this idea is new

    by D.Vader

    When its been said for a long time Ridley believed they were the same universe. This idea fits. This idea works. This idea is miles away better (and more importantly, different) than "fanboy wankery" like Batman fighting the Borg, which has no connection to one another. Alien vs Predator makes sense. Robocop vs Superman, not at all.

  • Alien was O'Bannon's baby, NOT Scott's. Alien belongs to O'Bannon's legacy and Blade Runner belongs to Dick's. Ridley is pissing all over the writers' work in a desperate attempt to claim both films as his work. If it hadn't been on the page, I'm convinced that despite Ridley's best efforts at smoke and blue lights, the films would have sucked because Ridley can't direct actors for shit. Ugh, this is a terrible, terrible idea.

  • let me guess. and he was built by an 8 years old Deckard? And later we learn that Deckard has a sister whose name is Rachael? and Tylrell is his real father? and Weyland his uncle? and those android designs and AI? they came from a chip and a hand that they discovered in a assembly factory? and that John Conor made the time-machine that Doc Brown used..oh wait.

  • Oct. 8, 2012, 8:27 p.m. CST

    Riddley Scott = George Lucas

    by fred

    i am always right.

  • Oct. 8, 2012, 8:27 p.m. CST

    Oh, I'm all for this, but....

    by SobchakSecurity

    Can hardly go and wait to pick up my Prometheus Blu-Ray tomorow, now, this is on all versions? Or just the steelbookone?

  • Oct. 8, 2012, 8:28 p.m. CST

    @trixas Of course Earth exists in the Star Wars universe...

    by AlienFanatic

    Why else does the film state, "A long time ago in a galaxy far, far away..." Far, far away from what? Well from HERE OF COURSE!

  • Oct. 8, 2012, 8:30 p.m. CST

    Ridley vs Lucas and other non-important things

    by Glenn

    So a few of you think Ridley is pulling some "fanboy" stuff. Boy, is that hubris! He won't even bother calling AICN by name, he just refers to it in indirect ways, that it ruins the surprise of movies now by publishing early reviews of movies from the Preview stage of post-production. So if you actually believe he's catering to the likes of this site, then you need to get out of your living room. The public at large could care less if BR and Alien are connected; personally, I feel it fits into his filmography rather organically (no pun intended), especially since both movies came one right after the other, which means the idea of replicants-androids was on his mind... so why not let him merge them? There's enough vague tissue there to allow for it. And, unlike the whole Star Wars debacle, which WAS made up as it went along (I don't mean the overriding narrative, I mean the specifics -- the sister-brother thing, Dad/Darth, etc) and depends on a continuity with established characters and their kin, the Alien and BR milieu are separated by a LOT of years so it's not like any of the characters could legitimately just start showing up unless they're clones from the same design matrix. I'm not defending "Prometheus" here, either. But elderly or not, I'll take Ridley Scott over the impatient youth of we-know-whos any day. If you can give me an "American Gangster" in your late 60s, you're still gold in my book. And I'd love to see his dirty-old-man movie. You know what I mean. Benton with "Feast of Love", Kubrick with "Eyes Wide Shut", Welles' with the unseen "Other Side of the Wind", Haneke's, like, everything, Spielberg's "Lincoln" (I hear soldiers fight in the mud). One Last Thing (thanks PTA): I await the day when certain words die a final death around here. "Haters." "Fanboys." I feel like I'm inside the nerd version of a Kim Kardashian tweet.

  • Oct. 8, 2012, 8:35 p.m. CST

    Prometheus blu yay!

    by adeceasedfan

    It will be mine. Blade Runner Alien tie in? Sure.

  • Oct. 8, 2012, 8:35 p.m. CST

    So, anyone want to go out for rainbow pops?

    by Darth_Kong

  • Oct. 8, 2012, 8:37 p.m. CST

    KONG

    by ihatetalkbacks

    Have you heard about Tony Scott? Apparently Ridley was having meetings on the set of Prometheus. Some one said they saw lots of people that were not actors there. They had meetings behind closed doors. He may have joined a group. Theres a lot of ways to interpret this. Whats your view

  • Oct. 8, 2012, 8:38 p.m. CST

    ihatetalkbacks

    by Darth_Kong

    Cocaine.

  • Oct. 8, 2012, 8:43 p.m. CST

    Aliens vs. Predator vs. Blade Runner coming in 2015

    by Jonathan

    >_<

  • Oct. 8, 2012, 8:43 p.m. CST

    Not the masons or illuminati? You disapoint me :( x 1000

    by ihatetalkbacks

    Could you not spin a yarn about Prometheus being a hand book and the masons and Illuminaiti co-opting Ridley using flouride in the water setting off a tooth micro chip to make a clone jump off the bridge with a hidden message in the wave pattern on the fake CCTV footage?

  • Oct. 8, 2012, 8:43 p.m. CST

    Not sure if it's a good idea

    by M Patel

    In my opinion, it was a mistake trying to tie the grandeur and challenging nature of the concept in Prometheus to the scifi-horror theme in the Alien series, thus necessitating some unnecessary predatory alien "bugs", stupid decisions by the characters and the like, thus diluting what started out as a magnificent story into something that was a bit pedestrian by the end. Now he wants to add another storyline into the mix. I'm doubtful about the outcome. That said, I did like Prometheus to get the 4-disc 3D BR + 2D BR + DVD + Digital Copy version from Amazon.

  • Yeah the Kurt Russel move from 98.

  • Oct. 8, 2012, 8:46 p.m. CST

    You must be looking through my window to see my head tits!!

    by ihatetalkbacks

  • Oct. 8, 2012, 8:46 p.m. CST

    Say what you will about Prometheus...

    by dcut75

    Most people liked it, many loved it, and it's the only movie from summer '12 that people are still talking about. (I loved it)

  • Oct. 8, 2012, 9:06 p.m. CST

    Yes Earth exists in Star Wars. AlienFanatic is correct.

    by D.Vader

    And E.T. exists in Star Wars too.

  • Oct. 8, 2012, 9:08 p.m. CST

    ihatetalkbacks - He's my NEMESIS you know. He's winking at me. ;)

    by Darth_Kong

  • Oct. 8, 2012, 9:11 p.m. CST

    Say what I will about PROMETHEUS? OK, I shall do so.

    by Mr. Nice Gaius

    PROMETHEUS was an overhyped, underwritten, and poorly directed piece of sci-fi garbage. There was nothing original about it save for the very obvious and bloated level of suckage. Considering the level of talent involved, it's easily the most disappointing "return" since TKOTCS. It's a genuine mess and an utter misfire of a film.

  • Oct. 8, 2012, 9:14 p.m. CST

    there's no defending the prometheus mess

    by Detached

    it was just awful. had nothing to do with expectations & hype, it was just a bad script, or at best, a badly edited film. plot holes big enough to send more than one starship through.

  • Oct. 8, 2012, 9:22 p.m. CST

    ALIEN in same uiverse with BLADE RUNNER? Doesn't work...

    by The Marquis de Side 3

    ...mainly for two reasons: (1) timeline; and (2) technology. Basically the tech we're presented with in "Blade Runner" is much more advanced than anything shown in the "Alien" universe. Also, the "Prometheus" story starts off in 2086. The original "Blade Runner" was set in 2019. I don't think we began terra forming Mars or exploring other planets until the mid to late 21st Century, according to the Alien-verse. "Blade Runner" implies that all that was begun in the late 20th Century, so by 2019, we had more major advances that allowed more off world colonies and even the creation of human-like replicants. Only way this could work is if Peter Weyland is referring to the Tyrell Corporation of his universe, where all the advances in robotics, androids (or "replicants") and off world colnies and industries did not take place in the late 20th Century/early 21st Century. It doesn't work if he refers to the Tyrell set in the universe as shown in the "Blade Runner" film. That's the issue I have with films like "Blade Runner". They'd do better if there was never established a date during which events take place. It's not needed to "date" what could be a timeless story.

  • Oct. 8, 2012, 9:23 p.m. CST

    SPELL CHECK! *universe*

    by The Marquis de Side 3

  • Oct. 8, 2012, 9:25 p.m. CST

    The franchise crossover bullshit is just that. Bullshit.

    by Mr. Nice Gaius

    Further proof (IMHO) that RidleyScott is far too often concerned with being clever than he is in understanding his own films. If I wanted some sort of meta/fan-fiction combo of the ALIEN and BLADE RUNNER franchises, then Ridley Scott would not be my first choice in handling the project. His ability to marshall a story is no longer able (or perhaps has never been) to match his technical eye.

  • Oct. 8, 2012, 9:30 p.m. CST

    Is ANYONE going to fix the goddamn "Top Talkbacks?

    by D.Vader

    The thing has been stuck on last week for weeks now.

  • Parallel Universes.

  • Oct. 8, 2012, 9:55 p.m. CST

    Ridley should never revisit his masterpieces

    by Teddy Artery

    He's retconning his early work into the realm of Damon Lideloffic hackery.

  • It's not going to feel like A Blade Runner world. I say, re-release Blade Runner instead so I can see it in the theaters!!! If they make another Blade Runner, it better be way fucking better and make way more sense than Prometheus did. I don't hate Prometheus, but the Honest Trailer for Prometheus actually is spot fucking on! http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RBaKqOMGPWc

  • Alien has sentient robots that perfectly mimic human behavior. Blade Runner has robot dolls the eldest brother Daryl crafted in his attic. We actually know nothing about the interstellar technology of Blade Runner and we never see a city in the Alien universe so for the most part they don't even overlap.

  • Oct. 8, 2012, 10:18 p.m. CST

    Fuck Ridley's revisionist history.

    by ATARI

    He's turning into a big of a hack as Lucas.

  • Oct. 8, 2012, 10:32 p.m. CST

    Aliens vs. Predator vs. Blade Runner - I'd buy that for a dollar

    by chargester

  • And if Prometheus is any indication of the quality of said crossover, I say put the brakes on now, Sir Ridley.

  • Oct. 8, 2012, 11:36 p.m. CST

    ** RETCONS SUCK! Case in point: The Space Jockey Helmet! **

    by The Marquis de Side 3

    The space jockey from "ALIEN" looks nothing like the engineer in said jockey suit from "PROMETHEUS"". What gives? Does Ridley think we won't notice or he can retcon the whole thing? Or is the "ALIEN" space jockey a deformed engineer we'll meet in the sequel?

  • NEW AND IMPROVE, YOU FUCKING HACK. !!

  • Oct. 8, 2012, 11:37 p.m. CST

    What if Space Buddies and the Black Hole were in the same universe?

    by Domi'sInnerChild

    They should revisit that too.

  • Oct. 8, 2012, 11:38 p.m. CST

    Loved the Look and feel of Prometheus...

    by conspiracy

    but the minute an entire ship full of trained scientists started making decisions like kids in a slasher film I checked out. Well acted, well shot, beautiful visuals and I enjoyed the Engineer angle...but the failure of the script to treat its characters like sensible human beings was unforgivable. And it wasn't the writers fault...; Ridley signed off on it, he had final say, he could have asked for better.

  • Oct. 8, 2012, 11:39 p.m. CST

    Directors should be banned...

    by Two

    ...from touching any of their works once they are more than ten years older than the last time they touched it. They inevitably change too much to see the work with the same eyes. StarWars prequels and Prometheus are proof positive of this. Hell, call it M. Night Syndrome. Go invent something new. Leave your masterpiece to its immortality, rather than wrecking it.

  • Oct. 8, 2012, 11:41 p.m. CST

    Does this prove Ridley has limited imagination and just rapes himself?

    by Domi'sInnerChild

    No wonder it took him so long to go back to Scifi.

  • Oct. 8, 2012, 11:50 p.m. CST

    Still, there's something here. Instead of remakes... MASH-UPS!

    by Domi'sInnerChild

    Sure, they did Jason vs. Freddy and AVP, but what if they started going after dead franchises people still sort of care about. Indy as a cranky dad in American Graffiti 2: Nazi Love. Jaws hunting mermaids in Splash 2: Red Wedding. Robin Williams forced to act as Norman Bates mom in Psycho 2: Never Doubt Norm. Box Office Gold ripe for digging.

  • Oct. 8, 2012, 11:52 p.m. CST

    Agreed, two

    by Jeff

    I'm not liking the idea of merging the Blade Runner and Alien franchises. Too much fanboy wet dream syndrome for it to be any good. How about this, Sir Ridley: come up with something new and film it. Enough with these emotionally dead ret-cons that ultimately go nowhere. Stop listening to fanboys. Stop listening to people who always want finished stories to continue. People who can't move on. Stop listening to them and film a new science fiction story. You'd get a more dramatic response at the box office while treading untapped new ground. For yourself and your well-known creative abilities. Enough with the Alien and Blade Runner universes. Those stories are old and dead now. Something new would be appreciated. Ah, but that's too difficult for you, isn't it? Too demanding. Enjoy resting on your laurels.

  • Oct. 9, 2012, 12:30 a.m. CST

    Ridley thinks Von Däniken is good. What a fool!

    by batfunk

  • Oct. 9, 2012, 12:49 a.m. CST

    Unfortunately

    by KGersen

    ..after seeing Prometheus, I have severe doubts if Ridley Scott can pull this idea off convincingly or at least choose the right writers to help him do so. Prior to watching Prometheus I would have been excited with this concept of bringing the worlds of Alien and Blade Runner together. That's how painful the plot holes / stupid-fucking-behaviour of characters in Prometheus was. Rewatched the film recently, still some bits where you're dragged out of the film by the sheer nonsensical behaviour on display.

  • Trying to retroactively meld these two OBVIOUSLY separate universes is just too much fucking around with a good thing. LEAVE IT THE FUCK ALONE.

  • Oct. 9, 2012, 12:55 a.m. CST

    The words amazingly awesome and

    by Wheel99

    Prometheus should never be uttered in the same sentence.

  • Alien was written by Dan O'bannon, and Blade Runner was Phillip K. Dick's universe, so Ridley can fuck right off.

  • Oct. 9, 2012, 1:02 a.m. CST

    I don't mind this as an Easter egg type of thing

    by lv_426

    Like the text in the article of Weyland describing his collegue who is possibly Eldon Tyrell. It is obvious enough, but if hidden as a little suggestion, then cool. It would be silly if in Prometheus 2 (Paradise), someone blurts out some line like, *it could be worse, at least you aren't working for the Tyrell Corporation.* Also, is it just me or did anyone else always wonder that Alien/Aliens and Blade Runner might be in the same universe? I remember having that notion come up when I was rewatching Blade Runner back in like 1990 when I recorded off TV to VHS. Back in the 90's, I also used to think that maybe Total Recall and Ghost in the Shell could be taking place in the same fictional future timeline. Especially Blade Runner and Ghost in the Shell. It almost feels like a Blade Runner sequel/prequel is redundant. Ghost in the Shell pretty much scratches that conceptual itch IMO.

  • Oct. 9, 2012, 1:04 a.m. CST

    They should've worked in Legend, as well.

    by Bedknobs and Boomsticks

    Wouldn't that be freaky-deak?

  • Oct. 9, 2012, 1:11 a.m. CST

    Im not sold on the cross over, however . .

    by Jayeskimo

    I like the idea of a Predator running around a Bladerunner-eqsue environment, because that franchise has already been merged into the alien-verse. What the hell. Get batman in there too. . . . . . and ya mum.

  • I just think bashing us over the head with it by having some Roy Batty troopers wielding pulse rifles is a bit much. Wouldn't replicants most likely be extinct by the time of Prometheus, and definitely by the time of Alien? Then you've got Aliens and the rest of the saga taking place 57+ years later. I wager the Tyrell Corporation went under after Batty squished his head in like a melon? Same with Weyland's demise in Prometheus. Yutani probably swoops in and Weyland Industries survives only by a merger. People saying Charlize Theron's character Vickers is a replicant while David is an android, is an interesting notion. I think maybe it makes more sense that she is a super advanced android, who doesn't know what she is. Kinda like Blade Runner had Batty and the others, while Rachel didn't know what she was. I like that idea as it could imply that maybe Ash also didn't know that he wasn't a real human until he malfunctioned and got his head knocked off.

  • Oct. 9, 2012, 1:15 a.m. CST

    Check this out

    by lv_426

    http://alienseries.blogspot.com/2012/10/jon-spaihts-prometheus.html?m=1 Details on some of the major differences between Jon Spaights' and Damon Lindelof's Prometheus scripts.

  • Oct. 9, 2012, 1:28 a.m. CST

    alienfanatic -- Alien was O'Bannon's baby

    by lv_426

    I think Alien was primarily O'Bannon, Giger, and Ridley. Giler and Hill added a lot with their rewrite (the whole damn Ash the android mole which Ridley didn't even think up). Ron Cobb's design work also was a huge part of Alien's success. Take away one and it just wouldn't be the Alien we know and love. Now I love Ridley's films, but you're right, he didn't seek out and initiate Alien or Blade Runner. Both scripts fell into his lap. Now, does he get credit for realizing the potential in each script? Yes. Does Ridley get credit for then making good films out of them? Of course. I don't mean to take away the amazing achievements that were Alien and Blade Runner, but you're right. It is kinda cheeky for him to claim these two as solely his by merging the Alienverse with Blade Runner. That is why I think if Ridley must do it, then it needs to be a little Easter egg type thing, a wink if you will and not a grand statement blurted out in the next Prometheus film, or in this supposed Blade Runner sequel/prequel.

  • Oct. 9, 2012, 2:09 a.m. CST

    I love PROMETHEUS talkbacks!

    by brokentusk

    Always the same twenty people going on and on about terrible the film was and how wrong the rest of us are for enjoying it. If only these people as much effort into talking about films they actually LIKED, instead of trying to convince everyone else to hate.

  • Oct. 9, 2012, 2:10 a.m. CST

    * put as much effort

    by brokentusk

    Edit button 2012.

  • And I love how morons come out with 'Prometheus sucked' - like their opinion is fact. Pretty much all the answers were there - just modern ADD audiences are too dumb to see them. And the Jockey and Engineer very much do look alike - you'd have to be a tool not to see that.

  • This is why Roy has seen things people wouldn't believe.

  • Oct. 9, 2012, 2:39 a.m. CST

    BROKENTUSK...

    by Johnny Wrong

    ...you have the exact same butthurt mentality as every other Prometheus lover out there. I'm a lifelong Ridley and Alien fan and I thought Prometheus to be a poorly-written wreck of a movie. See that above? It's not "hate", I'm not trying to change your mind, I'm just stating my opinion. You disagree, and that's fine. But instead of wasting YOUR time whining, why not go review something YOU love? Apart from Prometheus, that is, 'cos it's shite.

  • Oct. 9, 2012, 2:52 a.m. CST

    Assuming Scott does "merge" the two franchises

    by eveelcapitalist

    And I don't really have a strong opinion one way or the other, I think it will be done in a way that keeps them seperate but leaving the odd visual reference for diehard fanboys to geek out on or argue about. In other words, he wouldn't "merge" them in any substantive way. It would just be Ridley Scott saying, "I declare them one film universe" and maybe throw in a couple of obtuse Blade Runner references in Prometheus 2. I think Isaac Asimov did something similar with I, Robot and Foundation.

  • Oct. 9, 2012, 3:06 a.m. CST

    PROMETHEUS-4-DISC does not exist in this dojo

    by Cobra--Kai

    Actually it does - I have the PROMETHEUS 4 disc blu ray.... FUCKING WOW!!!!!!!! What a blu ray - totally incredible level of content and a must buy imho. I defy any hater to watch the documentary THE FURIOUS GODS and not come away with a new found respect for Ridley. The guy is a force of nature and a true artist. Dont take my word for it - watch the docu.

  • ..and i cant believe im saying this after the anger and disgust of being let down by Ridders...i actually enjoyed it.. there ..said it.

  • Oct. 9, 2012, 3:08 a.m. CST

    by Cobra--Kai

    Im serious - even if you hated the movie itself... Watch THE FURIOUS GODS documentary. It stands alone and any fan of modern movie making really ought to see it, because im not sure that we're going to get many movies made on this scale and in this way ever again. As a film lover it is truly inspirational.

  • Oct. 9, 2012, 3:29 a.m. CST

    read the text

    by Roderich

    No screenwriter worth his money would write something like that as no real person would write something that bloated, trying to squeeze as many information and hints as possible into one sentence like that. Fanboy-fiction-nonsense and those two "universes" don't belong together artistically anyway.

  • Oct. 9, 2012, 3:36 a.m. CST

    The only way for Prometheus to be good

    by kwisatzhaderach

    is to completely start from scratch without Damon Lindelof. Too late for that now. Still shocked Scott worked with him.

  • Oct. 9, 2012, 3:57 a.m. CST

    by Cobra--Kai

    kwisa, in THE FURIOUS GODS you get a strong sense of how the story was pulled around and reshaped - lots of tantazling glimpses of ideas jettisoned (Terrafarmers on Mars discovering Engineer artifacts, Weyland living on a 2001 style space station, snake Aliens, tentacle chest bursters, and much more). You also get a great look at Ridley Scott. Past retirement age and the guy is marching around sets like a general in his North Face jacket, and then in the evening drinking red wine in the art department and sketching along with the other artists on his pad. He's a fucking force of nature and every other hack director working today should be forced to sit down and watch THE FURIOUS GODS. Best making of docu since the LOTR EE.

  • That and the general arrested adolescence mental state that most adults live in this days. There is no way the shallow, idiotic, immature and dumb movie like "Prometheus" could ever be mistaken for smart and adult had it been done in previous decades. The movie is not complex, it's needlessly complicated. It's not smart, it's just an idiot's idea of what smart is, but too lazy to actually make an effort to really understand the themes he's shoving with little care into the story. And it's a movie where every adult character act like children, none behaving in any way an adult would, possible exception being the character played by Charlize Theron, the only one who shows some degree of tact (obviously she is portaited as villain because she doesn't have "faith" in her heart). I blame Ridley Scott for taking a paycheck and little other care for the movie. I blame Damon Lindelof and the top heads of Twenty Century Fox for all the problems the movie has, which are numerous and big. And it's legit to be resentful of "Prometheus" as a reaction to the hype build about the movie. It's very legit to be resentful about the hype. The hype was deliberatly made to heat our expectations, and if the movie fails to deliver on them, then it's fair game. There are no free lunches.

  • Oct. 9, 2012, 4:23 a.m. CST

    Aliens Vs Deckard

    by Bradly Durant

  • Oct. 9, 2012, 4:33 a.m. CST

    Jon Spaihts On The Prometheus That Never Was -->

    by Hardboiled Wonderland

    http://www.empireonline.com/interviews/interview.asp?IID=1563 This should put more fuel on the Lindelof fire!

  • Oct. 9, 2012, 4:35 a.m. CST

    @irishraidersfan, people don't hate Prometheus because it doesn't answer anything

    by Hardboiled Wonderland

    They hate it because the characters, dialogue, script, editing, and pacing were fucking horrible.

  • Oct. 9, 2012, 4:43 a.m. CST

    @Mr kwisatzhaderach

    by albert comin

    Agree. If it's any consolation, it loos like Damon Lindelof was taken out of the sequel and Scott is now in full comand of the movie, unlike how it happened in the first movie. Though i have to say, the damage is already done, the way i see it. I don't envy the poor chap who has to write the script for the sequel and has to work with the detritus left by Lindelof.

  • I have no stake in the outcome of this Ridleyverse link. I can't say Prometheus is bad, because it looks STELLAR, however, the fan-boy in me wanted more SHADOW 19 and less of a HEAVY METAL MAGAZINE feel to the picture. I'm holding out hope for some form of SHADOW 19 to surface someday but in the mean time ALIENS COLONIAL MARINES will have to suffice. I'm not apologizing for being a fan-boy.

  • Oct. 9, 2012, 4:50 a.m. CST

    @Mr darth_kong

    by albert comin

    The point of the expression "opinions are like ass holes" just means everybody has one, not that people who have opinions are assholes. That's because every body has an anal orifice in their bodies for excrement evacuation (and other functions which go unnamed). "Prometheus" is a bad movie that looks stellar. The two things can and do co-exist. One shouldn't appologise for being a fanboy, one should appologise for being stupid about it.

  • Oct. 9, 2012, 4:50 a.m. CST

    by Cobra--Kai

    *I blame Ridley Scott for taking a paycheck and little other care for the movie.* Scirocco, watch the making of docu and then you'd better get your knife and fork out... you'll be eating your own words!

  • Oct. 9, 2012, 4:58 a.m. CST

    Prometheus is shit that sticks to whatever it touches.

    by veteran_of_mu

  • Oct. 9, 2012, 4:58 a.m. CST

    Don't let it touch BR.

    by veteran_of_mu

  • Oct. 9, 2012, 4:59 a.m. CST

    scirocco

    by Darth_Kong

    I'm not saying I like or dislike Prometheus, I'm saying it's a lot like the hot girl who doesn't put out. She's pretty but she isn't giving me what I want. She's the coffee date that never ends. When I read the Shadow 19 script I fell in love with it but there was a few things that needed a little tweaking IMHO. Things that I would have changed. But not much. But these hard sci-fi ideas based on quantum mechanics and relativity that are connected to the plot is what drove me nuts about Shadow 19. It got me all hot and bothered. Prometheus is a great coffee date movie for me. I mean, who doesn't like a good cup of coffee? Different strokes for different folks I guess.

  • Oct. 9, 2012, 5:08 a.m. CST

    Terrible idea

    by Daniel OKeeffe

    First, the person who said "Haters go back to The Avengers or whatever obligatory superhero movie is out at the moment." is an idiot. I dont see how having a tremendous love and respect for two of the greatest sci-fi films of all time and not wanting to see them fucked with should have anything to do The Avengers. Also I liked Prometheus but could possibly have loved it if it had just been its own film. With a few tweaks and a bit of completely original and cool design it could have stood completely separate from Alien and people would have enjoyed it so much more and the many, many plotholes might not have existed. Me and a friend have a running joke about an imaginary scene in the Star Wars prequels in which a baby is born and someone holds it up says "I shall name this baby Han....." as thats what we were expecting all the way through Episode III. This whole idea really is pure fanboy crap except its being done by the actual makers of the films. I love Ridley Scott, he went to my school and to the same art college as my sister (thats true and it gives some Harry style personal relationship to the topic!) but if he starts all this connecting everything together shit im worried we'll have another George lucas on our hands. Finally i have a mate would technically qualify for a 'hipster' although i hate to use that word and when we went to see prometheus i had to listen to him go on about space jockeys and engineer's when he hadnt even seen fucking Alien! If i have to here at some future date him talk about blade Runner in a similar way i might have to kill him.

  • Or a BSG/Terminator/Matrix merge

  • If you really get down to it. Not that I'd want that to happen. One thing I have been wondering about... could the NTIs in The Abyss be some advanced aliens that came from the oceans of Pandora?

  • Oct. 9, 2012, 5:40 a.m. CST

    lv_426

    by Darth_Kong

    That's funny. I was kinda wondering how much ABYSS might show up in the next 2 or 3 Avatar movies.

  • Oct. 9, 2012, 5:40 a.m. CST

    The Prometheus Blues

    by Delta5Qmp

    The extras, interviews and additional material coming out with the Prometheus Blu-Ray do a great job of putting in perspective all that went wrong, and clarifying that the technical mastery, visuals and occasionally brilliant moments were all unintended happy fragments to arise from a total intellectual wasteland. Spaihts reveals himself to be a retarded, uncreative product of Hollywood nepotism and luck who ran into the right people at the right time to get his pathetic fanfiction read and taken seriously by studio personnel too stupid to understand that it was uncreative, moronic crap. Lindelof, a mixture of cocaine and unearned egotism boasts his lowest moments and exalts his own genius for a role in which he merely fogged over the stupidity of the script and tweaked it to look as though the retardation was leading up to something justifying the unrealism of the characters and story, the same trick that Lost attempted only to fail in the end. The colossal, incomparable worthlessness of these fools is now stripped bare and revealed for the simple ugly truth: The film was fan-fiction written by idiots, without concern from the director. Scott’s own comments show that his genius is limited to the technical. Given a great script, he can make a great movie, but he clearly has no idea whatsoever what makes the scripts he once dealt with so great. Prometheus is a technical marvel, amazing looking and in most manner of cinematic craft, flawless. But it’s retarded and Scott had no clue of that. He simply took the filth he was given and polished it into a movie. That’s a fine skill and when he’s had something to work with, Alien, Blade Runner, he made the films all they could be. So too did he make this shit heap of fanfic and cliche into the best film it could be. It’s still worth seeing, worth owning. But it’s rotten at its core, not flawed on its surface. Scott also takes the blame for the ill conceived retention of Giger’s great work amid the least creative creature designs in film history. Giger’s sketches reveal slivers of the artists old skill but it’s clear the filmmakers didn’t give a shit about him beyond getting his name involved. All he designed was rejected in favor of the slick, stupid and above all uncreative designs thrown in front of Scott by shit artists and fx workers who excelled at their craft while failing utterly at their art. There is no art to Prometheus. Only remains from Giger and heaps of brainless new shit, lit flawlessly and thrown before a million dollar camera. This would be nothing new or uncommon in Hollywood. Good directors go downhill. Bad writers get scripts made. Fan fiction replaces the legitimate sequel, even in the hands of Coppola, Lucas and Star Trek’s official copyright holders. The crime here is the potential. Had Scott been capable of recognizing the stupidity and cliche of the screenplay at its every stage, had he understood the value of original artistry as he did 30 years ago, this had all the actors and crew it needed to make a film even greater than Alien. Instead we got the best bad movie of the year. The worst good movie ever. It’s a miracle that things like Avengers can get made today, when this is the state of the industry. The inmates did not take over the asylum: The retarded did. The idiots, the stupid, the mentally defective, the fools. Eccentricity and insanity can create Jodorowsky. Genius and artistry spawned Stanley Kubrick. People with I.Q.s through the roof 125, 150, 175, held back only by their reach having exceeded their grasp. The average I.Q. of the creative staff of Prometheus is likely around 96. Put Spaihts at 80, Lindelof at 80, Scott at 100. Consider the artists and production designers and you might get a boost up to 90, but only if you discount artistic creativity completely and assume they’re just average schmoes. In terms of creature design, this staff ranked a bit below the common deviantArt Giger-wannabe with 300 pageviews and no favorites. The sort of kid you see drawing the alien over and over again at 15, more specifically the kind who does the same at thirty because their parents bought them into a creature shop so they could live off their lame shit. The opposite of Chris Cunningham. The opposite of H.R. Giger. The opposite of me. Brainless, doltish, dopey, dumb. Simple, moronic, witless. None of these go half as far as need be said about the people granted creative control by the scum with money, with connections. Who own the rights. Ignorant, uncaring, unaware, oblivious- Those all describe Ridley Scott just perfectly. He built great kingdoms on great minds in the past. He may yet again. But today, he built a world of shit off of the withered, atrophied, puny brains shoved before him by happenstance. To anyone claiming they could have done better, art or script for an Alien reboot: You are correct. It was blind fate alone that landed retards in the pilot seats. It should have been you. It should have been me. It should have been Giler, Cameron, O’Bannon and Hill. Cunningham. Hell they even got Whedon in for 4, only to ignore all he did and average it into comedy. Our chance to achieve greatness was stolen from us and awarded to moronic, drug addled filth. Never forget that, never forgive it. Somehow we must make Hollywood suffer, and take back what our superior minds deserve.

  • Prometheus = Planet of the Vampires + At the Mountains of Madness A L I E N = It, The Terror From Beyond Space, plus a healthy dose of Ridley's love of the Heavy Metal magazine aesthetic Aliens = Beowulf + Starship Troopers Alien 3 = The Name of the Rose on a prison planet Alien Resurrection = Peter Pan in space

  • Oct. 9, 2012, 5:48 a.m. CST

    Armie Hammer for JL's Superman.

    by UltimaRex

    Fuck it. Prometheus came out. Prometheus wasn't as good as we all wanted it to be. Even typing this seems like a waste of time and effort. Let's talk about an upcoming movie. It doesn't have to be JL or any CBM for that matter but that's what I care about so...

  • Oct. 9, 2012, 5:59 a.m. CST

    johnnywrong

    by brokentusk

    Your response pretty much proves my point. You managed to insult not only me, but all the fans of the film, as well as the film itself. Why don't I go talk about something I love? I thought that's exactly what I was doing. Anyway, I'm not sure if you got all that. It's probably hard to hear all the way up there on your soap box.

  • Oct. 9, 2012, 6:10 a.m. CST

    @hardboiled wonderland - again, stating your OPINION as fact...

    by irishraidersfan

    So, the characters, dialogue, script, editing, and pacing were fucking horrible? In YOUR opinion! Personally, I loved it. Was it flawless? Far from it. But compare it to the tripe that I found was the plot of the Avengers, it looked like Shakespeare. And the Avengers has near universal love, and is the second highest grossing movie of all time? That's fucking horrible... I'm sick and tired of the 'A scientist would never do that!' argument, or 'It's not an Alien movie!' Again, personally, I found the Weyland subplot neeldess, but there was much to like, IMHO. Touting your opinion as fact is horseshit.

  • The opposite of Chris Cunningham. The opposite of H.R. Giger. The opposite of me.

  • Oct. 9, 2012, 6:17 a.m. CST

    @irishraidersfan

    by Delta5Qmp

    You should have seen the immodest draft.

  • Oct. 9, 2012, 6:41 a.m. CST

    Stephen King

    by dancetothebeatofthelivingdead

    Back in the early days, back when Stevie was writing books that were setting the world on fire, he used crossover methods in almost every single one of his books. However, the way he did it was just as an aside comment here or there in his novels connecting characters from other novels just as a sort of archaic easter egg for the "constant reader" who was paying attention. It was just to let us know that since all of these worlds he created came from his imagination, his sandbox, that all of his stories took place in the same sandbox. And I'm not talking about Flagg, either, as Flagg was a conscious choice by King to be this malevolent being who walked through all of these horrible tales. An evil force who had walked the earth since antiquity only to be killed by a fucking spider. (Don't get me started on how much more of an epic eath that character deserved een though King changed him at the last minute from a Satan-esque, evil wizard type character to a little boy who hadbeen diddled.)FUCK!!!! That still pisses me off!!!!!!!!...........cough.........anyway. He didn't overdo it, and that's what made it cool. Then, he started to overdo it. Then he started to rely on it as a plot device. Then he started writing himself into his books as a real character affecting the plot. Back in the early days when King truly was the King, and these crossovers were just little treats for us, it was nice and it was neat having something jump off the page like that and reward you for paying attention. If that is what Ridley Scott is attempting in connecting these two worlds, I think it's great, and I'd rather find the hints and subtle references myself than have you or any other site dissect the movies frame by frame and post every little one of em before we even get a chance to find them ourselves. If you're going to scour a source for references than do something like post all of the film references in Tarantino's Inglorious Bastards. It's something we've all seen, and we've all caught some of these references already ourselves, so we can play along and try to catch ones that you've missed or something like that. Anyway, that's my two cents. Basically, I hope he does connect the two worlds in an early Stephen King-Castle Rock type of way instead of a later Stephen King last three novels of Dark Tower horseshit beat it over your head type way. The former could be fun and kind of cool, the latter is desperate pandering. Get it right, Ridley, I have hope for you, yet. (I actually thought Prometheus was a good movie despite it's many flaws.)

  • Oct. 9, 2012, 6:55 a.m. CST

    @lv_426 re: Ridley, O'Bannon, Giler and Hill

    by AlienFanatic

    Always fun to talk with you. Yes, I did narrow the focus a bit much on O'Bannon. I do agree, too, that Giler & Hill and Scott had a real hand in making Alien a better film than it would have been had it gone forward with only O'Bannon's input. That said, O'Bannon was definitely a huge driving force behind the project. It was him that convinced Scott to look at Giger's designs. And it was he that was deeply involved in working with the artists to realize many of the designs. To me, the origin of the idea is the key to ownership, and many of the retcons suggested by Ridley and FOX just seem disrespectful of the original writer's vision. Perhaps O'Bannon would have been cool with the whole thing, but he's no longer around to have that discussion. In this case, though, I just have to wonder WHY the universes have to be connected. I was extremely disappointed with the retconning that took place in Prometheus and immediately regretted Ridley's decision to revisit Alien and explain concepts that are better left a mystery, when I left the film. I only watched Prometheus once and I will not be buying the Bluray, which is kind of a sad acknowledgment of how strongly I disliked the film. Now, to have Ridley continue to attempt to demystify one of his other, seminal films by connecting it to the Alienverse just seems unnecessary to the nth degree. Why even waste time on easter eggs when it serves absolutely no purpose to connect the films in the first place? It just seems Ridley is coming to the end of his days and badly wants to recapture the glory and adulation he received for his two seminal works. However, it largely failed in the case of Prometheus and, I'm guessing, is likely to do the same with the Blade Runner sequel. (I already think the sequel to Blade Runner is a huge mistake, since it will either a) resolve the mystery of Deckard's humanity which absolutely does not need to be definitively answered or b) ignores Deckard's story altogether, in which case it's not even a sequel and will likely be highly unsatisfying to the very audience that wants a sequel in the first place.) I am with those that would prefer that Ridley stop screwing with his legacy and pursue original science fiction works that have been written by new screenwriters who are excited and passionate about their ideas. Not writers who are simply contracted to pump out some half-baked fanfic, like Lindelof was.

  • Oct. 9, 2012, 6:56 a.m. CST

    Hmmm...

    by FatSeagal

    Perhaps crossing over these two worlds would finally deliver a decent film?

  • Oct. 9, 2012, 7:06 a.m. CST

    You idiots who compare Scott to Lucas...

    by allouttabubblegum

    As a director sometimes you just have to say fuck off or say shut the fuck up and let me do what I want to do..

  • Oct. 9, 2012, 7:15 a.m. CST

    Prometheus is a turd - simple.

    by SunTzu77

    When I read that Prometheus 2 takes off with Shaw and David landing on the Space Jockey's planet only to learn they aren't welcomed - I lost it - laughing so much. Really? You don't say??? Ridley, just step away from Blade Runner 2. Don't touch it. Go do another project - perhaps, "The Kind One."

  • Oct. 9, 2012, 7:37 a.m. CST

    @Mr delta5qmp

    by albert comin

    While i think you lay too thick a blame on ridley Scott, otherwise i think you are totally spot on about "Prometheus". Indeed the retards too charge of the asylum. I'm easier on Scott because, from the movie, i gather he just took a paycheck, did what he does best (delivers a technically flawless pretty looking movie) and let others worry about everything else. I think in "Prometheus" Scott just didn't cared. He has fought the studios all his life for the smallest things going his way, i think in this movie he took off the box gloves and just did what he was told and payed to do. He must have decided that this was not a fight worth fighting for. On some ways, i can understand. He already made "Alien". But it's a pity that the hungry man who strived for excelent he once was when he made "Alien" and "Blade Runner" didn't returned for "Prometheus". I believe the blame for what's wrong with "Prometheus" should go to the studio heads and their golden boy Lindelof. From the way the publicity was made for this movie, where Lindelof became progressively mor proeminent to the point he became the focus of the movie and de facto creative force behind it, all but in name, i think that all roads lead to him. That he was discretly fired from the "Prometheus" sequel should say volumes. That Scott is still on also says volumes. Great post. I feel smarter just by reading it. It seems to me you have a similiar condition i have, a profound disrespect and digust for stupidity in movies. Funny enough, nobody has ever invented a word to describe fear of stupidity.

  • Oct. 9, 2012, 7:46 a.m. CST

    Nice, Ridley!

    by DocPazuzu

    You wanker.

  • Oct. 9, 2012, 7:47 a.m. CST

    Always thought of that

    by conbarba

    For some reason I always thought that the earth world in Alien was the Blade Runner earth. Don´t know why. Just like I always felt that the earth world of 2001 was the earth of Clockwork Orange. Go figure.

  • Oct. 9, 2012, 7:50 a.m. CST

    you idiots who compare Scott to Lucas...

    by allouttabubblegum

    As a director sometimes you just have to say fuck off or say shut the fuck up and let me do what I want to do..

  • Oct. 9, 2012, 7:51 a.m. CST

    Prometheus could have been a spoof of Alien

    by MustGoFaster

    Yes, it was that bad. The way Fifield flips out in the temple, Milburn petting the "cute" hissing snakey-wakey, Holloway swigging a bottle of vodka like he's a bored drunk while an alien head is reanimated...who the fuck OK'd this nonsensical crap? It gets worse. When the captain says "Ms Vickers, are you a robot?" and she tells him to come and fuck her in ten minutes, this is pure Michael Bay horseshit. Nothing makes the least bit sense. Prometheus makes Event Horizon look like 2001.

  • ..The screen cap is from the extras menu on the Prometheus Bluray, hardly news.

  • Oct. 9, 2012, 7:59 a.m. CST

    Can you imagine the meetings between Scott and Lindelof

    by MustGoFaster

    Scott: we need to think of how the Engineers control their ship. Lindelof: how about they play a cosmic flute and press some spongey white eggs? Scott: yeah ok that sounds good. Go and write that while my seventeen year old assistant gives me a prostrate massage.

  • Oct. 9, 2012, 8:21 a.m. CST

    @Mr lv_426

    by albert comin

    My friend, i tried that approach, looking at it as if it's a throwback to the golden age of SF. I tried it while i was watching it. I was defeated. The movie didn't gave me a chance. That also reeks of a desperate atempt to justify a bad movie. I have discovered that many in here find the damnest excuses to try to uplift bad movies, in a desperate atempt to make bad movies into good. Or some form of appologetics. It bewilders me why somebody would do that, to go to such mental lenghts just to deny the fact some movies really are bad. Why some bad movies get called on it right naway while others get offered so many benefits of the doubt? What makes "prometheus" special that should people try to pass it as something other then wht it is, a bad stupid dumb movie? You think i enjoy the fact it's a bad movie? You think it gives me any fun to see a bad Ridley Scott movie? You think i enjoy the fact that Ridley Scott, my Ridley Scott, made a bad movie? No, it pisses me off. I'm going to deny the fact that he made a bad movie just because he's one of my director heroes? If anything, it makes me even more motivated to call it on it. No, i'm going to try to find excuses to try to ake me like it, i'm not going to try to find stuff that's not in the movie to justify it. I'm going to call on it as i see it, as a bad movie. a bad movie that's bad by all standards that a bad movie is. It's very unfortunate and heartbreaking that my man Ridley Scott made a bad move, but that's how it is.

  • Oct. 9, 2012, 8:22 a.m. CST

    I don't understand the furore over this

    by donkey_lasher

    Big deal. It's not like he's going to write himself into his own stories like Stephen King did.

  • ... to stop him coming up with fucking moronic ideas like this one. This is as bad a concept as, well, as the one used for Prometheus in the first fucking place I suppose...

  • Yes, because our education system includes references to Zarathusa and Sumerian Deities. Your argument speaks volumes about the modern attitude and fanboyism regarding new movies. Fed on a diet of formulaic and run of the mill Sci Fi. Anything that takes a new direction or asks the viewer to think about the themes, is seen as Dumb. FFS, no wonder the studios are remaking every major franchise going. It means they don't have to be original and can spoon feed entertainment that's already in the public consciousness.

  • Oct. 9, 2012, 8:33 a.m. CST

    Movie could've used SOMETHING to spice it up.

    by MattHooper

    If it had been a merging of the Blade Runner/Alien Universes, that might've made it more interesting and less flat. Something about it's construction just didn't work.

  • kclstudios.com, yo!

  • Oct. 9, 2012, 8:35 a.m. CST

    And your argument crumbles away when you label it a bad movie

    by donkey_lasher

    Clearly you're not open to opinion, and like Peter Weyland, believe that your word is gospel, like God. 'It's a bad movie' You keep saying that, but I wonder if you're merely trying to convince yourself that you don't like it?

  • Oct. 9, 2012, 8:38 a.m. CST

    No... it's not a "pretty good film".

    by cloudyP

    The idea that Prometheus is held to some higher standard due to Scott or the Alien films is ridiculous. It's a beautiful film, with a script that seemed bashed-out by a ham-fisted retard. Sloppy, lazy plotting and writing that somehow got rushed into production. It's the movie that finally convinced me: Scott's a guy with a great eye who got really lucky with scripts in the past. He's also kinda dumb. And he's hit the Stephen King zone of "nobody tell the emperor he's naked". Believe me, I wanted to dig this film. It's a joke and it's indefensible as anything other than b-movie crap. But damn, it's gorgeous.

  • Oct. 9, 2012, 8:41 a.m. CST

    Prometheus wasn't great, it wasn't bad either.

    by donkey_lasher

    Fanboy expectation has coloured the judgement of a lot of people on here. The belief that they're some kind of Roger Ebert, a connoisseur of the moving pictures, is so wrong it's laughable. If you don't like it, stop telling everyone why you don't like it continuously, trolling every talkback telling us how stupid this movie it. It's not for you, so walk away. And don't give me that fucking garbage about educating people and making them realise that it's bad, what are you, the fucking thought police?

  • Oct. 9, 2012, 8:45 a.m. CST

    I think folks misunderstand the majority of us who loathe Prometheus.

    by juice willis

    It's not the concept or story with which we have a problem. It's the amateur execution and the fact that a (somewhat) original, non-formulaic, potentially hard sci-fi concept became a such a by-the-numbers, formulaic movie...with admittedly nice vfx. Although, I have to admit that I thought the engineer tech was pretty weak as far as conceptual design. For a race of beings that are millions, if not hundreds of millions, of years more advanced than us, every aspect of their tech should have been utterly foreign and almost unidentifiable. No flutes and squishy buttons, namean?

  • Oct. 9, 2012, 8:50 a.m. CST

    Aliens vs Bladerunner

    by digginjim

    Well we all know how the AvP movies went down...

  • Oct. 9, 2012, 8:52 a.m. CST

    Prometheus is set, what, 60 or so years into the future?

    by donkey_lasher

    And people are questioning motives, and directions that these characters are taking? I think the only thing wrong with the characters, is that they weren't fleshed out some more. A biologist of the future getting excited about the first alien life form humanity has ever encountered. Theron invites the captain for sex. I can think of perfectly viable reasons for their actions.

  • Oct. 9, 2012, 8:55 a.m. CST

    AvP

    by donkey_lasher

    Was a victim of its own fanboyism as well. People had been crying out for a AvP movie ever since the Dark Horse comics were published. The first film was set in a contemporary period to our own. Wrong move. The second movie is pretty much universally despised though.

  • Oct. 9, 2012, 8:57 a.m. CST

    The current 'Prometheus' DVD/BD TV ads in the UK...

    by buggerbugger

    ...are shameless in their reliance on the newborn chestburster scene from the very end of the movie in their attempt to sell discs. "Look, look, we made another 'Alien' film with the aliens in, please buy it! Look, look, we've even placed it in a giant box-set with all the other 'Alien' movies, IT'S AN 'ALIEN' MOVIE!" Is that being shown elsewhere in the world or are we the only ones being "treated" to it?

  • This is precious, the maker of "Prometheus" or it's fans trying to make appeals to intellectualism to justify the idioticy in it is quite something else! I had to laugh.

  • Oct. 9, 2012, 9:29 a.m. CST

    Stop it

    by Jazzy Jerk

    Stop pimping this crapfest. Prometheus is terrible. You know it. We know it.

  • Oct. 9, 2012, 9:38 a.m. CST

    Yes it is a "pretty good film". You know why?

    by D.Vader

    Because I said so, that's why. It's an opinion, just as everyone who says otherwise about the movie is just expressing theirs. It's certainly a movie that has brought up a considerable amount of debate, however, and that's a good thing in my book.

  • Oct. 9, 2012, 9:44 a.m. CST

    Just watched the deleted scene where David speaks to the Engineer

    by Transhuman

    Piss on them for deleting it, it makes more sense with it in. We know what the conversation is now. What a terribly edited film. And I actually liked most of it, but geez.

  • Oct. 9, 2012, 9:51 a.m. CST

    @Mr donkey_lasher

    by albert comin

    "Yes, because our education system includes references to Zarathusa and Sumerian Deities." And why shouldn't? Wouldn't take more then one day of class about either the civilization that created civilization or an important philosopher form the 19th century who was intrumental in the way the 20th century shaped it's ideals and ideals. Big fucking deal, hem? Is that shit too cool for school, is what you might be implying? Let me again make this point clear: the problem are not the references the movie puts out, it's that IT'S COMPLETLY CLUELESS ABOUT THEM. The movie is filled with the idiot's version of philosophy. It's the whole fucking stupidity about it. And it's proof of our education system failure that we can be so vulnerable and easy prey to some barely educated fool like Lindelof who pulls this shit out of his ass and convinces many he's doing some smart shit. He's not, not in the slightest. A better education system would protect us from such fools like him and the dumb movies he makes. Again, it's about that it has references that makes a movie smart, but that it uses well and from somebody who actually knows what he's talking about. Lindelof doesn't. Simple as that. And sorry for this long post, next time i'll try to be more succint.

  • Oct. 9, 2012, 9:57 a.m. CST

    @Mr d.vader

    by albert comin

    Not so when the reason for the debate is how the movie fucked up. This is not positive debate like some classic good movies of the past generated, this debate is caused by a negative cause. "Prometheus" is bad for all the standards that a movie is bad, the kind of thing that can be easily recognized by many and not just one person alone on his own preferences.

  • makes your position even weaker. so very very weak. also, is ridley drinking the same shit as lindelof now? every idea has to be "cool".... doesn't matter if it's good or not "is that cool?" he says... prick.

  • It's always lame. I understand why some people say that, it's their atempt at being a wise personable man, and all that talk that each person's opinion is good, the value of individuality and whatnot. However, it fails to acknowledge one fact: it always looks like admiting defeat, as if admiting they do not have much to say on the subject. A person alone is just that, a person alone.

  • Oct. 9, 2012, 11:08 a.m. CST

    What the Deuce?

    by donkey_lasher

    jamf, you're a walking Ironicism. It can't be that bad if so many are discussing its themes. There's a whole bunch of forums dedicated to it.

  • It just takes it's time - quite literally - to get interesting. This whole merging of Alien and Blade Runner mythology is beyond ridiculous: Please Ridley, do not tarnish one of your only masterpieces - leave it be! i implore you. Just, if you will, continue on with the "Prometheus" universe. I'm at least willing to give you a second chance.

  • Oct. 9, 2012, 11:30 a.m. CST

    Roll on Django.

    by larsson

  • Oct. 9, 2012, 11:33 a.m. CST

    lol @ Hunfuks everywhere

    by larsson

  • Oct. 9, 2012, 11:54 a.m. CST

    Deckard was an engineer all along.

    by Bradly Durant

  • Oct. 9, 2012, 12:04 p.m. CST

    Scirroco

    by donkey_lasher

    He's not the only one who had an opinion on this film. There's a whole bunch of people who liked this film. And claiming that admitting an opinion is a sign of defeat really makes no sense at all in any debate.

  • I could probably get interested in a longer cut.

  • Oct. 9, 2012, 1:27 p.m. CST

    by Cobra--Kai

    didntpullout, no sadly, no DC cut yet. Although there are a number of deleted scenes on the blu which would improve the film were they slipped back in (such as a bridging scene between Milburn and Fifield getting lost, where they find some shed skin like Brett does in ALIEN).

  • Oct. 9, 2012, 1:45 p.m. CST

    I'd like to step right up and slap my 75 IQ on the table

    by MoistMuskyCamelToe

    Way back when, some space fuckers landed on primitive, lifeless Earth. They melted one dude into a river and POW life began here. About 2,000 years ago they stopped by to see how things were going. One of them either posed as Jeebus or knocked up some 'ol 2-dollar gal named Mary who squirted Jeebus out. Humans then crucified Jeebus in a fit of pique. This pissed the space fuckers right off, so they left a bunch of maps in stone for mankind to go find a nice, big doomsday mousetrap way out in the middle of nowhere. Unfortunately the space fuckers also set the thing off during testing and some of their own peeps ate it. They then decided to take their ball and go home. Then humans decided to go check out the mousetrap, do some fucking, and get lost in a big circular cavern. Plus Charlize Theron. TA-DA! The Aristocrats.

  • Oct. 9, 2012, 1:46 p.m. CST

    thank you, AICN, for stripping my post like a Las Vegas dancer

    by MoistMuskyCamelToe

    The above is Musky's summary of Prometheus. Said a bunch of other stuff, too, but fuck it. And fuck AICN for stripping quotes. OH NO, SOMEONE MIGHT TRY TO HACK US AND WE'RE TOO FUCKING STUPID TO PREVENT IT. Douchebags.

  • Oct. 9, 2012, 1:53 p.m. CST

    A Clever Idea But

    by Drew Schmidt

    I don't see how this really would really enhance either story/franchise.

  • Oct. 9, 2012, 2:11 p.m. CST

    @scirocco

    by Delta5Qmp

    To explain my harsh words for Mr. Scott- The director is the captain of the ship, so I hold him responsible for anything his underlings may do. Also the simplification of the designs and concept of the greatest biotech of all time being a man in a suit are both his (according to interviews), as is all the post-release talk of Engineer Jesus and the like. So I do lay blame on him, despite my love for most of his films. There's no reason a man taking his paycheck shouldn't tell his writers to leave the character's helmet on*. Your statements regarding the production though are spot on of course, I'm just the sort to point out that Kirk was technically guilty in Undiscovered Country. *Unless the WGA has actually prohibited this. I've heard tales of them literally telling a director that their new line can't be used to do legal issues. Truly the nadir of Hollywood bull.

  • Oct. 9, 2012, 2:40 p.m. CST

    why do nerds say Jeebus?

    by Skankardly

  • Supposedly someone over at FOX had urged Ridley Scott to splice the 40 minutes of cut footage back into the movie so they could sell it separately as a director's cut. Scott refused, saying that the theatrical cut pretty much is his director's cut.

  • I bought the blu-ray collector's edition this morning. I'll probably wait until this weekend to watch it, since I want to rewatch Alien first.

  • Oct. 9, 2012, 3:32 p.m. CST

    Fanboy Theorization/Wankery...

    by Arcangel2020

    To me what was one of THE worst ever Fanboy Theorization/Wankery come to life was the whole Aliens Vs. Predator fiasco/series and all the Alien sequels that preceeded Scott's Alien and Cameron's Aliens! Every filme made after Aliens was an utter abomination and utter celluloid crap! If ONLY someone had had the brains and the balls to make the Darkhorse Comics "Alien"/ Alien Vs. Space Marines series which came out back in the early 90ies into a film or series of films (Don't even get me started on that shit film Predator II with Danny Glover in it!!)....now THAT would have been something to see! I actually liked Prometheus (yes, I admit, it could have been better, but still...) and it would have been cool indeed to have seen more of a Prometheus/Blade Runner crossover or just nice subtle hints made for the fnas of both Alien and Blade Runner mentioned/referenced.

  • Oct. 9, 2012, 3:43 p.m. CST

    Boo hoo, Scott waped my childhood

    by donkey_lasher

    Yet helped deliver the Blu ray set of the year.

  • Oct. 9, 2012, 3:45 p.m. CST

    @Mr donkey_lasher

    by albert comin

    That's like your opinion, man!

  • You think his name spelled Jesus like in english? Think again! You want to go corret on Jesus' name, it's Yeshua ben Yosef. I bet you are now sorry for going smart-ass on that because you found an even bigger smart-ass. There's always a bigger fish.

  • Oct. 9, 2012, 4:01 p.m. CST

    @Mr delta5qmp

    by albert comin

    I understand your reasons and your logic and i would be in complete agreement with you were it not for my suspicions on what went on the backstage during the making of "Prometheus". Which is why i'm still easy on Ridley Scott on this debacle subject, maybe too much so. I haven't listen to the audio comentaries yet, but given that Lindelof is in one of those, my bet is it was recorded before the theatrical release of the movie, before he was fired. Those comentaries tracks by Scott and the two writers must have been done while they were still riding high on the hype build on the movie, not in the watershed. I bet those are comentaries made by people who still believed they had a winner on their hands and were going to take the world by storm.

  • Oct. 9, 2012, 4:11 p.m. CST

    by Cobra--Kai

    *I haven't listen to the audio comentaries yet,* Scirocco - so the guy on aicn who has posted more negative talkback comments about PROMETHEUS than anyone else... has actually bought the blu ray??!!!! Hahahahahahaha! You musta REALLY hated the movie to go out and buy it day one! Only on AICN....

  • Bladerunner would be a generation before Alien. So that would put Prometheus and Bladerunner within a few years of each other. As for Legend. When Pris first enters J F's apartment she's greeted by his little toy dwarfmen. They look more than a little like the dwarves in Legend. All you would need to do is make Sabastians toys prototypes for some kind of high dollar Disney planet. That would make the Tom Cruise character the only real person in the movie. All the rest would be replicants and special effects. It might not be an elegant solution. But Scott could do it if he wanted to. I wonder if we will see any of this crop up in the new Bladerunner projt.

  • Oct. 9, 2012, 5:02 p.m. CST

    @Mr cobra--kai

    by albert comin

    No, you misunderstood me, or i made a very poor choice of words. No, i haven't bought the blu-ray of "Prometheus"! Why would i do such a thing? If i ever felt the urge to know about what they say in the yack track, i might one day rent the movie if the rental version has it. If not, fuck it then. I am curious about what Scott and the writers said in the audio comentary, but i sure am not going to give 20th Century Fox my money on a movie i have little sympathey for. Fuck no!

  • Oct. 9, 2012, 5:19 p.m. CST

    Because nerds watch The Simpsons, skankardly.

    by D.Vader

  • Oct. 9, 2012, 5:33 p.m. CST

    Mr. Sciorocco

    by D.Vader

    Completely disagree. Some debates have been about the degree to which this movie has been good and bad. But a lot of the debates have also been over what the movie meant and what happened in specific scenes.

  • Oct. 9, 2012, 5:35 p.m. CST

    LET'S GET ONE THING STRAIGHT ONCE AND FOR ALL...

    by Johnny Wrong

    ..."fanboy expectation" didn't colour a damn thing. "Good movie expectation" did. I expected a well-written and thought-provoking movie. I didn't get one. The film was shite, purdy visuals aside. Shite. Disagree all you like, just means your standards are lower than mine.

  • Oct. 9, 2012, 5:37 p.m. CST

    Jamf, all you have is your opinion

    by D.Vader

    So i guess that makes your argument very weak. And if you bring in a review to back it up, the other guy brings in a review to back his up. And if you bring in an aggregate score to back up your claim, the other guy brings up films that were trashed or lauded in their time and are now understood to be treasured classics or mistakes. So don't say the opinion attitude is a weak argument. Because in the end, that is all you really have anyway.

  • Oct. 9, 2012, 6:23 p.m. CST

    Hilarious

    by dancetothebeatofthelivingdead

    Nice catch, cobrakai. And no amount of backpedaling is gonna fix it now; can't unring that bell!

  • Oct. 9, 2012, 7:06 p.m. CST

    @Mr d.vader

    by albert comin

    I have found all pro-prometheus arguments to be quite unconvincing and a bit deluded, based more on good will and on extrapolating on things that are not on the movie itself. Except for one: it's a very beautiful movie to behold. That is an undeniable truth about it, which is the thing everybody agrees about. Sadly, it doesn't suffice to make the movie good, but i can understand why many were mesmerized by it.

  • Mainly because I loved the visual splendor of the film and because I want to delve into all the behind the scenes stuff that went into making this film. I'm glad to hear that there is a comprehensive bts documentary similar to the ones on the Alien Quadrilogy/Anthology. I'm kinda bummed out that they didn't include an extended or director's cut with all the deleted scenes added back in. Still though, I am curious to see what was left out, and whether or not some of that material could possibly improve things, even if in minor ways.

  • Oct. 9, 2012, 7:15 p.m. CST

    boogel -- Legend planet in Blade Runner

    by lv_426

    That is kind of a cool idea.* I just don't like the notion of Ridley Scott officially saying that all these things take place in the same fictional universe. It is more fun when there are hints or subtle connections that let us viewers and fans imagine the possible connections. Kinda like the question of whether Deckard is human or replicant. To have an official answer to the question spoils some of the fun and would take away from the film more than it would add to it. Just as a Roy Batty prequel showing the Tannhauser gate would take away more than it adds. My opinion at least. * Anyways, who says Tom Cruise isn't also a replicant? Maybe they use his memories of his adventures on the Legend planet to sell as downloadable memories? Kinda like in Strange Days where people record their memories and share or sell them.

  • Oct. 10, 2012, 4:38 a.m. CST

    by Cobra--Kai

    lv, yep the behind the scenes docu is extensive and impressive to say the least on the 4 disc set. Ask Scirocco, he's got his copy...

  • Oct. 10, 2012, 2:01 p.m. CST

    redjester

    by Keith

    'The hate, as always derives from expectations that couldn't possibly have been met.' No, the hate derives from the script and the pacing being fucking awful.

  • Oct. 10, 2012, 2:03 p.m. CST

    gutshot

    by Keith

    'the writing was so bad, confusing random with mysterious' Yep. That nails it.

  • Oct. 10, 2012, 2:18 p.m. CST

    conspiracy

    by Keith

    'but the minute an entire ship full of trained scientists started making decisions like kids in a slasher film I checked out. Well acted, well shot, beautiful visuals and I enjoyed the Engineer angle...but the failure of the script to treat its characters like sensible human beings was unforgivable.' Agree 100% One of the things I love about 'Alien' is that everyone behaves plausibly. Sure, Kane is somewhat heedless of danger, but subtly and consistently so. Nobody acts like a moron. Ripley is the only officer who does her job 100% properly, but we can also understand why the others want to cut corners to help a colleague in trouble. And Ash is obviously sabotaging things from the outset. It's a world of rational, intelligent adults dealing with a totally unexpected, dangerous situation. Even Lambert, the most panicky, is still rational throughout. (Her 'drawing straws' idea to abandon ship actually turns out to have been a good one, certainly from a utilitarian perspective.)

  • Oct. 10, 2012, 7:55 p.m. CST

    @scirocco sorry mate but don't try to diminish Ridley's

    by frank

    responsibility for this crap movie simply because you hate Lindelof for making Lost. Ridley not only cared a lot for this project but he fought for it from the beginning. He was the one who wanted a new Alien movie for years, he was the one who asked for bigger budget, he was the one who took the original script and asked for rewrites from Lindelof, he was the one who was deeply involved in the marketing and promotion of the movie. These are well known facts. And then ofc there is the bluray documentary that DVader mentions which clearly showcases the affection that Ridley has for this project. So no Ridley didn't just take a paycheck for a day's work and then went home. He had the full responsibility, control, vision and ambition to make a new classic scifi masterpiece, which would have been as intellectual as 2001 and would have also resurrected the Alien franchise and his career. Unfortunately for him and us, he failed. This is the truth, he failed. Ofc he is not alone in this failure but he has the biggest part in it. Why he failed when he happens to be one of cinema's gods? Well this is a subject for another discussion but let's say for now that for some people the big failure of Prometheus was not a surprise, rather a given outcome.

  • alot of people put ALOT of creative energy, blood, sweat and tears into making this film. I greatly appreciate Ridley's motto to "keep it real" and shoot real elements whenever possible and just that reason alone puts him miles above the George Lucas comparisons. Yes the writing does not measure up to the pain-staking technical excellence of this film but instead of hating on it, I would challenge the haters to create something better (at least story wise) or just try creating anything at all. After making just 5 minutes of a film that's half as smart as this movie I challenge you to come back on here and spew more hate talk. You'll have a greater appreciation for how difficult the process is and may actually realize that Ridley Scott owes us nothing.

  • Oct. 11, 2012, 8:03 a.m. CST

    I thought Cameron came up with the company name Weyland Yutani...

    by SithMenace

    So how could Ridley be considering Weyland Tyrell? What am I missing?

  • Oct. 11, 2012, 9:49 a.m. CST

    sithmenace nope, that's a general misconception

    by frank

    the name weylan-yutani proexisted in the first movie, you can see it in the intro sequence when the computer monitor is booting up.