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The PROMETHEUS Sequel Is Moving Forward!! Fassbender, Rapace!! No Lindelof??
Per THR, Fox and Ridley Scott are moving forward with a sequel to PROMETHEUS - a possibility brazenly advanced by the conclusion of this Summer's ALIENverse psuedo-prequel-thingie.
In the eternity ramping up to the release of PROMETHEUS, The Powers That Be had strongly and repeatedly indicated that a sequel film was hopeful-to-likely, although this is our first pointed and relatively official indication that a second picture exploring pre-ALIEN existential mythology might actually be happening.
Fox confirms to THR that Scott and the studio actively are pushing ahead with a follow-up (stars Michael Fassbender and Noomi Rapace are signed) and are talking to new writers because Prometheus co-scribe Damon Lindelof might not be available.
...says THR.
PROMETHEUS, whose nice-sounding Blu-ray release went up for pre-order shortly before/as the movie hit theaters, will arrive on home video soonish.
In numerous interviews, Scott has insinuated that when...
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...Fassbender and Rapace's characters find the Engineer's home world, we'll discover that it isn't a terribly nice place. From the sound of matters, he appeared to be referring to the events of an immediate sequel as opposed to developments which may occur in even later projects. As such, it seems a relatively safe bet to assume that this is exactly what we'll see.
Early conjecture and reports suggest a PROMETHEUS sequel would be entitled PARADISE, which would refer to the above-mentioned Engineer home world and could be viewed as ironic given that Scott seems to feel it'll be a decidedly ungood place. PARADISE, by the way, was at one point indicated to be the title of PROMETHEUS.
THR says PROME2EUS is headed towards a 2014/2015 release. More as we know more...
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if it keeps him away from Blade Runner
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And I think PROMETHEUS was awesome in every way! Better than any ALIEN film in the franchise! Bring on the sequel!
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Aug. 1, 2012, 1:31 p.m. CST
Lindelof killed Prometheus. The "unavailable" quote is a nice was of saying he wasn't asked back.
by John_Cocktoasten
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He is what made PROMETHEUS great and also LOST was the best show ever! Bad news for this sequel.
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Cant wait to watch you bitches moan and complain about how Prometheus sucked. Was it awesome? No. Was it good? Yes. And I am interested to see where Scott takes this.
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unless there's a significantly longer director's cut coming from the previous film. It needs some patching.
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As cool as your TBname suggests.
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More adult sci-fi can only be a good thing, after all
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And its plot holes were no bigger than the ones in TDKR. So all you haters - suck it!
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Not directed by James Cameron? Huh.
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How it should have ended http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JLbcZggwVCw
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The guy's a hack who can't bother to solve his own mysteries. Fuck him for the last six seasons of LOST.
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Prometheus was by far the best studio tent pole flick this summer even with all its faults. Excited to hear they are doing this.
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Yes it had it's plot holes, but a great survival space horror flick. Isn't that all we ask for from Ridely Scott?
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An extra HOBBIT movie AND a second PROMETHEUS movie - fucking hell!!! It's like all my xmas's came at once!!! And its going to be Ridley Scott directing again?! Geektastic baby!!!!!!!!!
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Aug. 1, 2012, 1:38 p.m. CST
I'm glad this is happening. It was clearly designed to have a sequel.
by rev_skarekroe
I was afraid it wasn't going to happen because it wasn't a massive blockbuster and because so many people bitched that it wasn't the film they had in their heads.
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Bring back Spaihts and Lindelof!
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The spaceship is a giant circle with a hole in the middle. Oh and why did everyone take their helmets off? Why did the women run in a straight line? This is how Lindelof writes...
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...and if that hack of writer Lindelof is off, all the better.
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TDKR had plot holes as wide as that tunnel 3000 cops marched blindly into without sending advance scouts - but I still really liked it. For me TDKR and in fact PROMETHEUS too were both four stars out of five movies. And the Dojo dont give out four stars easily.
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Some elements worked and some didn't. Plot holes and retardedness abound. Can a sequel evince the Phantom Metheus? I liked it for all the reasons everyone else did too. I Want to Believe.
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Cant wait :). Loved Prometheus.
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Just to see how a headless android was able to pilot a ship that needed a whole body, a bigger body than he was at that, to fucking fly it.
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tarijeno, you're the donut! They werent lost in the donut spaceship - that was simply docked in the big ass weapons silo / temple. They were lost in the temple itself.
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I think I read somewhere that Scott said the theatrical version was the directors cut. Don't know if that was just to defuse the whole PG/non-PG discussion, or if he really meant it..
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twogungames, you saw Davids body getting hauled up into the spaceship too - methinks he'll be rebuilt pretty smartish for the sequel!
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It wasn't perfect but I still give it a thumbs up.----later-----m
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Aug. 1, 2012, 1:49 p.m. CST
Both Prometheus and Dark Knight Rises were disappointing but Both had moments of utter brilliance. But yeah I could tolerate another movie, just about.
by Bradly Durant
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Aug. 1, 2012, 1:49 p.m. CST
Chud's defense was accurate but it's still squeezing bullshit out of a rock of pure diamond ass.
by UltraTron
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Jesus, 'Prometheus' sucked. Looked great. Absolutely ridiculous story. LAZIEST SCRIPT IN YEARS.
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Aug. 1, 2012, 1:51 p.m. CST
Someone prophetically named ILikeCrap loved Prometheus and thinks Lindelof is talented. What could anyone hope to add?
by golden tribw
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Aug. 1, 2012, 1:52 p.m. CST
The biggest problem for me with Prometheus was that it wasn't visceral enough, I wanted a hard R, dripping with sexuality and hands over eyes gore.
by Bradly Durant
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More Tatum!
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I liked the way it looked, I liked Fassbenders character and nothing else. That film was such a huge let down!
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Or follow up with some kind of Prometheus Bound imagery. Y'know, like encasing Elizabeth Shaw in a space jockey suit...
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Good luck with that.
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Aug. 1, 2012, 1:57 p.m. CST
Unfortunately (in Ridley's words) Prometheus was made by a "business man" and didn't take the risks it needed to elevate it above 'decent'. A decent movie does not cut it.
by Bradly Durant
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you all are stupid to ttry and give this disaster of a movie another chance at your wallets... not for me, im done with scott and im done with prometheus and alien and anything in that universe, Prometheus destroyed that dwindling legacy. if you all go and make this movie a success, then unfortunately hollyowood has learned to sell shit sandwiches wholesale... I'll skip this and all these plants can go fuck themselves. THAT MOVIE SUCKED BALLS!
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Aug. 1, 2012, 2:01 p.m. CST
I honestly can't see why Prometheus was given an R rating given that it was tame as fuck. The next one will certainly be PG13 for sure.
by Bradly Durant
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I liked Prometheus, except for one or two scenes, and the theme that musical theme is so damn hummable. Very much looking forward to Paradise, and hoping the writer is awesome. Someone who really truly loves the Alienverse and would do justice to what Shaw and David will find on this terrifying ugly synthetic (I'm guessing) rock they find. Betcha most of the Engineers are dead, and those that survive are not doing so well.
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Aug. 1, 2012, 2:06 p.m. CST
Like 'Prometheus' a lot when I first saw it, but the more I think about it, it gets worse and worse.
by Tim
Still a cool movie though. TDKR on the other hand, gets better and better the more I let it settle. Seen it thrice.
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Aug. 1, 2012, 2:07 p.m. CST
Prometheus was not the best sci fi movie of the last ten years
by Volllllume3
Fuck no. Not even close. Doesn't hold a candle to D9 or Moon.
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I wonder if the backlash had a part to play in that. Many of us rightfully tore the shit out of Lindelof's hack writing and pathetic use of religious vagueness. Take a Bible story, change the names, add mysterious object, and you get a Damon Lindelof story.
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1. Why is a medical chamber programmed only to aid a human male even in a state of emergency? 2. Why do scientist scared of dead aliens become eager to stroke live ones like a pet? 3. Why do intelligent scientists run along the same path of a falling ship instead of either side away from it? 4. How does a premature alien foetus grow to the size of a giant octopus in less than 24 hours without eating any food? 5. Why does a highly intelligent alien need to steal a shuttle made for humans half his size when there's another perfectly good ship a short walk away that headless robot and a woman with a stapled stomach managed to escape with easy? 6. Just how do two intelligent scientist get lost on a ship despite being in constant contact with their HQ and having state of the art mapping and guidance devices at their disposal? 7. If a intellectually and physically superior being wakes up after a thousand years and his immediate thought is to kill you and your kind. Then why would you want to search for more of those beings by yourself and in your condition in a ship who's language and controls you do not understand let alone firearms that would be too large for you to operate if you needed any chance of defending yourself? 8. Why would 16 people board a ship on a 4 year mission that only has 8 lifepods and 1 flyable lifeboat? 9. Why would highly intelligent aliens create us, come back after thousands of years and leave star configurations with primitive men, guiding them to a planet where they are building a base to manufacture weapons designed to kill us at some time in our future? 10. Why do people still call this the most intelligent sci fi movie in recent years despite loads of points to the contrary?
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PROMETHEUS took $302 million theatrical box office - very good for an R rated movie. I can also see it doing extremely well on blu ray simply because its such a great movie to show off your system. For all its shonky plotting its a phenomenally beautiful film with some stunning visuals and all those AV forum guys with expensive home systems are just going to have to have it. The promise of an extended edition is also going to be tantalizing even for those who were disapointed with the theatrical release. Are you haters really not going to give an extended cut a second chance?
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Aug. 1, 2012, 2:15 p.m. CST
If he was the Fucking hack that thought it'd be a good idea for...
by conspiracy
+++++++++++SPOILER+++++++++++++ ...scientists to act in totally illogical, outright moronic ways..then good fucking riddance. Yeah...we just landed..I think we'll just tear ass into an alien structure, take our helmets off, and try and pet elongated slithering vaginas. Why I though it was beautiful and certainly not a waste of time or money...those parts and other like them made what could have been a grand spectacle nothing more than a C+/B- film. And Ridley can't escape blame either..as much as I love the guys films...he signed off on the fucking script, he decided it was good enough to shoot. And like any Manager..the buck ultimately stops with him.
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It was the most spectacular looking movie of the last decade and the first to have 3D that added something to its visuals. But there wasn't a single character death in it that I wasn't glad to see them die for being so moronically stupid. To paraphrase Bill Hicks, if those were real people, I'd feel the Earth get lighter with every death. We lost another moron? Let's celebrate!
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Aug. 1, 2012, 2:16 p.m. CST
POLL! Stupider plot contrivance: A) guy trying to pet deadly alien snake for no reason in Prometheus B) Batman lying about autopilot for no reason in Dark Knight Rises!
by Al
That's a tight race right there, which one is more idiotic?
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Aug. 1, 2012, 2:17 p.m. CST
Is the extended cut going to make the characters suddenly not act like complete and utter fucking morons?
by Volllllume3
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http://afterthecut.com/2012/08/01/prometheus-sequel-eyeing-2014-2015-release-date/
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really?? you really still don't know the answers to those questions?? I'm not even going to take the time to go through them 1 by 1 but those answers can all be found if you do a little searching
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Prometheus wasn't classic Ridley Scott and he was indeed a bit off his game but it was still very enjoyable and much more interesting than the majority of so-called sci-fi we get these days. I'm in!
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Aug. 1, 2012, 2:20 p.m. CST
Anyway, Prometheus wasn't Alien or Aliens. I get it. It's still pretty damn good, idiotic decisions of professional scientists aside.
by Al
Med Lab Bay scene = gold. Engineer tearing off David's head = gold. Dude getting the fuck torched outta him = gold. And it looked great. I'll put up with some characters going to bang so they can conveniently not come to the aid of two idiot scientists who smoke space pot.
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problem is Millburn didn't know it was deadly
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yes we know...kind of what this talkback is about
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I actually like the movie a lot more now that I have divorced it in my mind from ALIEN. I don’t consider it part of the ALIEN canon, and without the impossibly high expectations that carries with it, PROMETHEUS actually seems decent enough. I would welcome a sequel, especially if Lindelof is not going to be involved. They really need a great writer for this project. Of course, it will probably end up being Orci and Kurtzman.
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what a fucking fail... and if they think it'll make decent money on dvd they're out of their minds. a sequel is a waste of time and money and a slap in the face to real filmmaking.
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that was always his intent - wish explains all the stupidity in the first one, he'll never have to show what happens next and he knew it when he wrote it.
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Promethious was written so bad... But perhaps with a new writer, it could be redeemed.
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Aug. 1, 2012, 2:32 p.m. CST
Prome2eus, OR: "Noomi and Head's Excellent Adventure" - Hopefully this one will have a non-lazy script!
by obijuanmartinez
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still hasn't been released in Italy, Japan, Spain, Germany, Venezuela, or Switzerland
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Aug. 1, 2012, 2:34 p.m. CST
When some blind fool geeks have to 'defend' a movie by citing its flaws but ssaying they loved it anyway, thats how you know the movie sucked.
by Hey_Kobe_Tell_Me_How_My_Ass_Tastes
You never heard the teeth gnashing and wailing and blind defense for the Avengers, but you diddly damn sure heard it for the huge plot holes and gigantic flaws of Prometheus and TDKR. Translation: They sucked and only fanboobies with a vested interest in seeing their pet beloved franchises not take such a critical hit without mounting a defense are the only ones to speak up. motherfucker had 30 years to get it right and fucked up, what do you possibly think he can do in three? oh yeah, same thing nolan did, fuck it up even more than the previous one
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Cuz I left the other one looking for a dog to kick I felt so dammed stupid Hemingway’s Foyer – Your Last Place To Be A Man www.hemingwaysfoyer.com
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Maybe borderline good. But it is nowhere near as good as Alien or Blade Runner and we just need to lower our expectations now. I think the first half of Prometheus was great. It was about exploration, adventure, and religion. And then it looks like the studio heads told Ridley to add some alien horror/action into the movie and the 2nd half just falters. That last scene of the movie was just cheap and sad. I am disappointed Ridley included it. He kept saying that it was not a prequel, so then why include that final scene?
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Aug. 1, 2012, 2:35 p.m. CST
Batman lied about the autopilot at the end to everybody for no bloody reason whatsoever. But petting space alien snake is also pretty dumb
by Al
To Fox "No autopilot" To Catwoman and Gordon "No FUCKING autopilot!" And he fixed it. Just to lie to the audience. For no fucking reason. Other guy is supposed to be an expert on wildlife or something, thing pops out and starts hissing at it you shouldn't exactly pet it. For no fucking reason! Of course, the payoffs to those two plot contrivances are pretty good (Batman's "Sacrifice" and the scene where the space alien snake kills the fuck outta both those guys). But still, dumb plotting. But makes up for it in the drama. Still, the point is, Prometheus is not exactly the dumbest movie ever to come out in 2012, y'know what I mean?
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I was really amped about Prometheus, and Fassbinder was great, but there were some serious issues. Fake old Guy Pierce made no sense, terrible dialogue with Charlize, an unrealistic biologist trying to befriend a snake-like creature, and honestly all of the direct action related to Alien. I wish it were separate and apart - the reveal at the end of the classic alien was so gratuitous. I loved the first half tremendously though. I'd like there to be a sequel and I'd like it to be better than this movie. I also was massively disappointed by The Dark Knight Rises and refrained from commenting on it in the forums because the theater tragedy till now. I have sometimes been very let down by Harry's recommendations, but no one echoed my profound disappointment at The Dark Knight Rises like him. I think it's so bad that I wish we could just sidestep it and do another movie in its place. Bane as a puppet, the whole middle sequence, the stupid holding the city hostage in a boring way thing again, and (I love Joseph Gordon-Levitt) John Blake as a whole were awful.
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Aug. 1, 2012, 2:37 p.m. CST
Also, where's the math on how 150 million plus profit is categorized as "what a fucking fail"?
by Al
It's called "making a return on investment". Which it did. Which it's gonna get a sequel. Hell, even if they dropped 50 million on advertising it's still A HUNDRED MILLION DOLLARS PROFIT! Not exactly something that Fox isn't not pleased about.
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Aug. 1, 2012, 2:37 p.m. CST
Engineer's home world would be paradise for Peter Jackson
by SouthernMoonKnight
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YOU ARE THE REASON HOLLYWOOD IS MAKING SHIT MOVIES! YOUR LITTLE PRIMITIVE BRAINS CAN'T THINK THEIR WAY OUT OF A KIDDIE POOL... THIS IS BY FAR THE WORST DISASTER IN FILM MAKING SINCE BATTLEFIELD EARTH. GET A GRIP PEOPLE, THE MOVIE SUCKED AND ANYONE WHO SUPPORTS BAD FILM MAKING SHOULD NOT BE ALLOWED NEAR A THEATER. I like the think tanks they have, they funnel a demographic into a few categories, I can name a few: Tweeners (twilight/spiderman reboot crowd), Trendies (social network crowd), Pseudo-Itellects (prometheus/inception crowd). yeah fuck prometheus 2.
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But then Damon came and did his trademark "vague" nonsense. Either way I liked the movie. It looked great. My main issue was that FOX showed the entire film in the trailer. Also, Shaw wasn't that good of a character to be rooting for. I would have rather seen Charlize play her character instead. Finally, I could have done without the chest bursting epilogue.
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Aug. 1, 2012, 2:39 p.m. CST
Was it just me, I didn't think Prometheus even LOOKED good
by Domi'sInnerChild
I kept seeing that even if the script sucked, it would look AMAZING! Alien and Aliens both looked a million times better and more realistic (besides Android effects) for a tenth of the budget. Let's review. Fly through space in a pretty CGI ship briefly, nothing happens so we watch Fassbender play basketball on a bike. Land on a dusty planet (less impressive than original Alien landing). Go into a cave with a stupid looking CGI skull (MAYBE beat it up more?). Plain canisters with black goo instead of eggs. Really bad CGI monster face attacks and leaping zombie effects. Go back into ship. Give birth to squid (no where near as intense as Alien). Run around with boring lazy designed monsters. Awful old man makeup. Silly Albino CGI Hulk smash. Lame ship crash (seriously, name one spaceship collision that was less interesting. Even the Star Destroyers bumping into each other with boat sirens going was more exciting). Gag of Fassbender's head in a bag. Lame looking proto-alien emerges. The End.
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I was surpirsed....I was excited for it..then a lot of people on here bitched about it, so I just didn't bother. When I finally got around to it, I enjoyed the hell out of it. Sure...there was some eye-rolling moments...but over all..it was interesting and fun. Bring on the sequel for sure.
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Aug. 1, 2012, 2:39 p.m. CST
Noomi Rapeface. I cant unsee her name spelt like that. Rapeface. lol.
by Bradly Durant
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Aug. 1, 2012, 2:39 p.m. CST
"Blu-ray release went up for pre-order shortly before/as the movie hit theaters"...I thought this was a big deal to until...
by art123guy
...I saw TED go up for pre-order the day of the theatrical release. (There was another movie that did the same thing, but I forget what it was.) In this day and age, it only makes sense to have the DVD/Blu-Ray done by the time the movie is released.
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so assuming 130mil is the real budget, this film has made 40mil profit. that's without even thinking about the marketing... could have cost 40+ and i think a lot of films spend up to 100mil now with all the constant ads and posters and viral shit and there was a lot of viral shit for prometheus so right now i reckon they haven't even broken even.
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without even thinking about the marketing.
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Aug. 1, 2012, 2:41 p.m. CST
Did Batman have a parachute handy or was there a smaller bat pod or something to fly back to Gotham in? In anycase were they radiation proof?
by Bradly Durant
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bcuz they are making a squeequel...
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Wasn't the point of lying so that he could disappear? You know, to make everyone think he had died?
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Prometheus has grown on me big time. Especially after re-watching it. I can't wait to see where this goes. Slap in the face of real film making? What tosh. This is real film making. Ambitious, big budget film making. They might have dropped the ball a few times, but the film making world is in a damn sight better state for having film makers have a go at big shit, and studios backing them.
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no way this will crack $100 million US after the first one was so bad Although people do seem to forget easily.
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Aug. 1, 2012, 2:47 p.m. CST
Sometimes I forget why I don't participate in Talkbacks as much as I used to
by rev_skarekroe
Then I read a thread like this one and remember that it's because so many of you people are really, really stupid.
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Aug. 1, 2012, 2:47 p.m. CST
Fucking Merrick ... get the fucking # out of the name. Stupid shit. Besides, it's Prometheii !!!!!1!11!!!!1
by F This
Prometheii, muthafuckas!!!!!
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he was in another one. you know, like the space jockey's ship isn't THE space jockey's ship.
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Aug. 1, 2012, 2:49 p.m. CST
And I really like TDKR. Not a perfect movie, but a damn fine finish ...
by F This
Seriously, bitching about the autopilot? They've been talking about Batman becoming more than a man, a legend, for 3 fucking movies, and the opportunity presents itself, and Wayne is going to advertise to everyone that he's gonna fake his death? Fuck that shit.
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Aug. 1, 2012, 2:51 p.m. CST
Let me write it. I'd do it for free, and it would be infinitely better than Lindelof's script.
by unclemonty666
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i think batman always had a plan to dissappear from the public, he probably figured he may have to fly the bomb out of there (for he is batman and he is always in deep thought, thinking of every possible angle) and it would be a good way to do it, so he kept up the lie about the autopilot.
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is I won't have to witness a million naive fanboys blabbering on and on about how this movie will be the second coming of Alien. Now that your expectations have been adequately tempered, just stfu.
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Aug. 1, 2012, 2:55 p.m. CST
Who cares about how batman escapes? everyone knew he would, what about how 3000 police trapped underground for three months emerge unsacted and ready for battle and then walk head first shoulder to shoulder against rockets and tanks?
by Hey_Kobe_Tell_Me_How_My_Ass_Tastes
and thats just for starters!
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Aug. 1, 2012, 2:56 p.m. CST
Wasn't satisfied by Prometheus to put it mildly but i'm still excited and glad that there'll be a sequel
by 6000_little_griglets
Hope springs eternal and i'm still interested to see 'what happens next'. And i still think about Prometheus. It was a fascinating mess.
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Aug. 1, 2012, 2:57 p.m. CST
Batman had returned already for crissakes, there's no indication in the story that he *wants* to disappear again after he gets his cowl back on. Hell, even in his Pit Training Montage it's about him getting stronger
by Al
Yes, he mentions to Blake about the mask inspiring people but that's a fucking HUGE logical leap from "gee, I'm Batman again, yay!" vs. "I better fucking lie to everyone about the autopilot being fixed in the middle of a crisis situation"
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Aug. 1, 2012, 2:57 p.m. CST
i loved "Prom" visually & conceptually, so i'd love to see Prom2
by smudgewhat
Especially if the obvious focus is on Rapace & Fassbender. They're both so good I'd be glad to just watch them chew it up with lots of sci-fi weirdness surrounding them, and hoping for the best story-wise.
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Aug. 1, 2012, 2:58 p.m. CST
Let's get down to brass tax: both, if not all summer blockbuster films have facepalming idiocy in them but it's worth it for the result
by Al
Guy petting an alien snake is stupid. But the payoff is good. Batman lying about autopilot is stupid. But the payoff is good. Therefore, both Prometheus and Dark Knight Rises have dumb flaws which and dumb but the dramatic scene is worth it. Saying "Genius" and "fucking retarded" for either / or is wrong. Besides, Avengers was the best goddamn movie of the summer anyway. And it came out back in May!
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Aug. 1, 2012, 3:03 p.m. CST
Like I said, TDKR was not perfect, but I really liked it a lot...
by F This
... despite the flaws. Oh yeah, and ... SELINA FUCKING KYLE, aka "hot chick in leather outfit". DAMN!
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Aug. 1, 2012, 3:05 p.m. CST
I don't know if I want to keep contributing to Ridley's money pump
by cgih8r
After all the questioning of the 1st one it all became perfectly clear from a business perspective. Why take a chance at making a daring work of art that fails? Make a film that guarantees you make money. Make it PG-13. Promise ALOT. Cast big names. Make it ask questions that EVERYONE wants answers to. Make people ask more questions, don't answer them. It will make people want to buy "Alien" for answers and perhaps build enough hype for a sequel...makes sense to me now. The writing was pretty lazy aside from that. The only language Ridley and the studio speak is MONEY. So the best way for me to express my distaste for the writing of the first film is to not give them my money on this second go around. All you haters need to put your money where your mouth is and swallow it. Don't see the sequel. Download it.
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So much for the, "it's a box office flop that will never see a sequel!!" line of crap, huh?
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Aug. 1, 2012, 3:13 p.m. CST
No Lindelof is FANTASTIC news. Maybe it'll actually be a good Sci Fi movie instead of a bad sci fi religious film.
by happybunni
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The further adventures of Noomi Rapace and The Head. In fact, I wouldn't mind seeing Noomi giving some "Head", if you know what I mean (and by that I mean a blowjob). I'd certainly give Ms. Rapace a taste of my "primordial DNA", if you get my drift (and by that I mean I'd have no qualms about coating her tastebuds with several dollops of my acrid gelatinous bollock-sludge).
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kildeer, where did you get the $180 million budget figure from? Wikipedia lists it as $130 million. Some people seem to want PROMETHEUS to have been a box office flop - unlikely it would be getting a sequel had it been a $ loss. As others have pointed out it still hasnt opened in some big territories, nor have revenues from home release been added.
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Aug. 1, 2012, 3:24 p.m. CST
will they also mysteriously "find" more in the appendicies and make Prom3eus and P4mtheus....
by cozy
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he was intrigued by selina stealing his fingerprints and i think his instincts told him of a scheme unfolding. Ofcourse also he was outed as Batman and who knows who else now knows this secret, so faking his death would be the safest way to end it for those he cares about. Also he was really messed up in the head and needed closure on this part of his life.
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Aug. 1, 2012, 3:29 p.m. CST
Lindelof's scientists must have never heard of Timothy Treadwell
by conspiracy
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You know, a writer capable of writing a narrative where the characters act in ways that make any kind of sense whatsoever. Not just a patchwork script seemingly assembled from a random list of crazy shit haphazardly pitched around at a writers meeting and not thought all the way through. You know, making it up as they went along. The LOST method of "writing," of "storytelling." Lindlehoff being out means it might not completely suck. But who will they hire?
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Aug. 1, 2012, 3:33 p.m. CST
The Engineers' home world won't be a nice place? No fucking shit, Sir Ridley.
by Executor
A five year old could have figured that one out. Unfortunately, none of your characters will, even as they are petting weirdly tentacled creatures and asking acid-spewing aliens about the secrets of the universe. Dumb.
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Aug. 1, 2012, 3:36 p.m. CST
I just discovered some rich new material in the Alien Appendices.
by Scrunchie-Scroochie
It turns out that H.R.R. Giger wrote (and painted) a wealth of additional material that Sir Ridley Scott can draw upon from the Alien Appendices, in order to truly complete the story and expand his duology out into a trilogy! It includes a potential flashback scene where Noomi Rapace is bending over and getting her bum spanked for an hour by a Space Jockey, whilst she wears nothing but a pair of tight white space undercrackers.
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Let's answer your questions... 1. Why is a medical chamber programmed only to aid a human male even in a state of emergency? Because the only important person on that ship was Weyland. A male. The rest were expendible. 2. Why do scientist scared of dead aliens become eager to stroke live ones like a pet? Well, let's see: What's scarier? A) A pile of dead humanoid bodies or B) A puppy 3. Why do intelligent scientists run along the same path of a falling ship instead of either side away from it? (This is one of the STUPIDEST complaints I've heard, BTW) The ship's huge. Wouldn't matter where they ran. 4. How does a premature alien foetus grow to the size of a giant octopus in less than 24 hours without eating any food? Have you SEEN the other ALIEN movies? 5. Why does a highly intelligent alien need to steal a shuttle made for humans half his size when there's another perfectly good ship a short walk away that headless robot and a woman with a stapled stomach managed to escape with easy? He wasn't trying to STEAL the shuttle, he was trying to KILL the woman. 6. Just how do two intelligent scientist get lost on a ship despite being in constant contact with their HQ and having state of the art mapping and guidance devices at their disposal? They explained that. Watch it again. (hint: SANDSTORM) 7. If a intellectually and physically superior being wakes up after a thousand years and his immediate thought is to kill you and your kind. Then why would you want to search for more of those beings by yourself and in your condition in a ship who's language and controls you do not understand let alone firearms that would be too large for you to operate if you needed any chance of defending yourself? Because she's a scientist. A passionate one. AND she's got nothing left to lose. AND she wants to know the truth. God damn it, man, she SAYS all of this. 8. Why would 16 people board a ship on a 4 year mission that only has 8 lifepods and 1 flyable lifeboat? Because 8 lifepods and a lifeboat is enough. 9. Why would highly intelligent aliens create us, come back after thousands of years and leave star configurations with primitive men, guiding them to a planet where they are building a base to manufacture weapons designed to kill us at some time in our future? MAYBE that's what the SEQUEL will be about...you know...since she SAYS THAT GOD DAMN IT! 10. Why do people still call this the most intelligent sci fi movie in recent years despite loads of points to the contrary? I'm convinced that you've never seen the film. If you DID, I suggest you watch it again.
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Aug. 1, 2012, 3:38 p.m. CST
The thing that bugged me the most, besides the decisions made by some of the characters, is how did such a visual master
by openthepodbaydoorshal
as Sir Scott approve the worst old age makeup seen in years? It was so bad it was an actual distraction to me.
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SO glad! Can't WAIT!
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Aug. 1, 2012, 3:42 p.m. CST
Will Riddley Scott be attached to this? He was a major problem on Prometheus, it wasn't all Lindelof's fault.
by hank henshaw
Scott repeatedly promoted his crappy semi-sequel as the movie he meant to make. He got his R rating. He got the budget. He got creative freedom. If the script was shit, he should've been able to figure it out, and ask for rewrites or new writers. There's no excuse. Riddley Scott, always will me a hit or miss director. Some people treat him as if all his movies were Alien or Blade Runner quality. They are not.
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The unnatural effect that experimental life-extending technology has on the ageing process gives rise to a strange rubbery appearance, otherwise known as Space Face.
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My favorite movies are: The Good The Bad and The Ugly Jaws Empire Strikes Back and Casino I thought Prometheus was nice to look at and was thoroughly entertaining.
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Glad he probably won't come back. Please get a much more kickass screenwriter this time around. And please make it an original sci-fi flick about the Creators. The Alien thing actually brought down Prometheus in quality, would have much rather of seen a Creation story. But they won't do this. The sequel will be "Rinse repeat". They'll get to the new planet and "bad Alien shit" will happen all over again. BULLSHIT!
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Aug. 1, 2012, 4:04 p.m. CST
I don't know if they CAN rinse and repeat with this sequel...
by yomomma
They can't really go too far in the "space monsters stalks the crew members relentlessly" since there will only be 2 crew members (one of which we have already seen dismembered). It's going to have to be different. They don't have the fodder for the body-count of a more conventional horror movie.
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That screenplay was an incoherent mess.
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Aug. 1, 2012, 4:06 p.m. CST
I'm with the dojo on this one. Prometheus fucking ruled.
by adeceasedfan
4/5 That works for me.
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... that this movie will be even more crap than Prometheus
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Aug. 1, 2012, 4:09 p.m. CST
Dude, it's going to be MIND BLOWING!!! Engineer homeworld. It'll be like Aliens meets fucking CONVOY!
by Domi'sInnerChild
Ah, breaker one-nine, this here's the Rubber Liz. You gotta copy on me, Big Eng, c'mon? Ah, yeah, 10-4, Big Eng, for sure, for sure. By golly, it's clean clear to LV-223, c'mon. Yeah, that's a big 10-4 there, Big Eng, yeah, we definitely got the black goo, good buddy. Mercy sakes alive, looks like we got us a convoy... Was the dark of the moon on the sixth of June In a Donut Ship pullin' eggs Petting snake gets your face raped And a lifeboat haulin' Proto-Aliens We is headin' for bear on I-one-oh 'Bout a mile outta Paradise I says, "Big Eng, this here's Rubber Liz. And I'm about to press the gooey egg down." 'Cause we got a little ol' convoy Rockin' through outer space. Yeah, we got a little ol' convoy, Ain't she a beautiful sight? Come on and join our convoy Ain't nothin' gonna get in our way. We gonna roll this truckin' convoy 'Cross outer space. Convoy!
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two hours of Noomi sitting with her legs open with Fassbender's head between her thighs and slurping away. Non stop cos he's a robot. Paradise indeed.
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Aug. 1, 2012, 4:10 p.m. CST
promethius sucked balls and this is ridley scott saying i am sorry let me fix it cause i cant let the franchise end on this peice of garbage
by Creative
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Aug. 1, 2012, 4:10 p.m. CST
anyone who thinks promethous was good is either deaf dumb and blind or is a baby
by Creative
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Check, check, check and check. Waaaaah!
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Aug. 1, 2012, 4:13 p.m. CST
oh and if i could i waa punch lindeoff in the face and then cut his balls off so he cant procreate. he ruined promerhius
by Creative
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1. Contrived, his daughter was also on the ship so in a state of emergency the medical chamber would not be able to help her too? The point is in 30 years we've gone from needing entire volumes of information on several computers to entire medical diagnosis in a single mobile phone app. The necessity to make the computer as advanced as one would be in 2089 ONLY be able to assist males is ridiculous! 2. So you'd attempt to stroke a alien creature looking like a king cobra without knowing anything about its physiology after being scared to look at the fossilised remains of a alien dead for thousands of years. Shows your intelligence is worse than the script-writers! 3. You're blind, the ship didn't fall flat, it was shaped like half a doughnut and fell on its base, the slim side, so running either left or right would have been sensible unless you're as dumb as you are! It even fell on Shaw and she STILL survived! Duhhh! 4. Yes I have seen the Alien movies, long before you I'd bet too since I'm in my forties! And as stupid as they get as they go along, the idea that the foetus grows larger than the host in less than 24 hours is far fetched even for this franchise! You're obviously more gullible! 5. Why would he need to kill her, if she served no threat to him leaving before when she had companions and a larger ship that could crash into his before. How can she be a threat to him if he has more ships and she's just had a ship fall on her and only a small lifeboat left to try and fly back to Earth with? Do you even now what character motivations are let alone common sense? This is supposed to be an intelligent alien race that created us, he acts more like a serial killer in a teen horror flick! 6. The Sandstorm came after the party left the ship, they left long before the other in the party! They were in continuous communication and were being tracked by the Prometheus crew as well as having mapping equipment themselves. You may have watched the film but the basic logistics of a simple timeline and common sense fail you obviously as much as contriving the script for a death sequence failed the writer. 7. Again you fail to use any common sense let alone character motivations. At the point she loses nearly everything, she realises that at all cost she must stop these aliens from going to earth and destroying it. Suddenly that no longer is an issue in place of creating another Ripley in space sequel so going back home with proof of alien life and their intent to destroy us is not as important as hoping she can find more and they're nicer to her as well as more open to her questions? Suddenly she is again despite all she just experienced and lost? Boy are you dumb! 8. Obviously it wasn't if you can do math! 9. Or maybe they know well that as long as they contrive scenes of spectacle, there are people stupid enough to not ask questions about the badly contrived nature of the script? I'm convinced that you've watched the film with your brain switched off and your ass wide open. If you DID, I suggest you watch it again and try using that thing between your ears and pull your pants up!
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nightwing. what the holy fuck are you on? whatever it is, keep it away from me.
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for me ... thats all there is. Ripley, Hicks and Newt are still out there, floating in space, waiting for a worthy sequel. All the other stories are 'what if's' for me. It will never happen, but part of me hopes that a decent director will cast those original three, use some space travel plot to explain the ageing, and do some cool last slow, tense thriller. Make Ripley and Newt secondary characters, to Michael Biehn's main (injured) hero. Should have been made years ago. Ah well.
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Big screen, American, high-budget tentacle-violation? Also, none of the script issues will matter to the Japanese, they are used to their fiction being mysterious and somewhat nonsensical. If you haters had seen this exact movie as a subtitled anime, you know you'd have loved it.
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Aug. 1, 2012, 4:28 p.m. CST
Bruce Wayne needed to die for Bruce to disappear, he didnt need to "kill" batman
by War1980
Only four people knew Bruce was Batman when the bomb blew up.
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when they came out of the sewers that it caused the Bane militia men to constantly try to keep their lunch from coming up.
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Aug. 1, 2012, 4:29 p.m. CST
Prometheus co-scribe Damon Lindelof might not be available.
by IAmLegolas
Studio speak for "we didn't ask him back", ha!
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You know, the guy with all the big ideas of nothing happening and the Space Jockey's big reveal being they're truckers carrying a bio-weapon (which we've known forever). Basically the core problem with the movie is nothing fucking happens and nothing new was added to the mythos other than black goo messes with DNA somehow creating stupid new retarded monsters or zombies that appear by whatever random circumstances the writers come up with. Oh, any Weyland is Lo-pan and wants to live forever by talking to aliens. Fucking horrible.
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Just give it a rest. Not all movies are about people making correct decisions. Watching them explore the ship with a drone, take samples, leave them in quarrantine for months, and otherwise make smart, real world decisions would have been boring as fuck. If you didn't like it, then good for you, go back to weeping over Citizen Kane losing it's top movie status and spare us the same tiresome list of questions you people have been posting and then ignoring the reasonable answers to for months. Seriously, if an enormous ship is falling on top of you, I'd like to watch to see if you take the time to puzzle out where to run before your feet start moving.
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extraordinarily rich, extraordinarily beautiful, extraordinarily awe inspiring, extraordinarily messy, extraordinarily intelligent, extraordinarily dumb, and the third act is extraordinarily weird and disjointed...and I loved it. Bring on the sequels.
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Aug. 1, 2012, 4:42 p.m. CST
Since Batman doesn't actual die, won't his sacrifice eventually be revealed as being fake?
by Domi'sInnerChild
Defeating the purpose? You know, since he's a well known playboy going to French restaurants with a hot chick with big tits? You'd think somebody would figure out he faked his death after a while. And now poor Robin is going to die trying to spelunk into the batcave when the intruder traps go off rather than Bruce just giving him the keys before heading off for a plowfest with Catwoman.
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Aug. 1, 2012, 4:49 p.m. CST
So Much For All The Haters Who Said " There Will Be No Sequel!"
by Real Deal
LOL! Everyone knew the story wasn't finished and not everyone hated this film. This should be a lesson to you all about mindless movie hate.
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adeceasedfan, your lifetime pass to the Dojo is granted. However seeing as your deceased im not sure how thats going to work exactly but im sure we'll get round it!
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Alien resurrection is on TV right now. I forgot how bad this film is.
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It's Ridley Scott!
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Aug. 1, 2012, 4:54 p.m. CST
Of course, it's gonna be Orci & Kurtzman, Hollywood Hack Writers 4 Hire!
by Mr. Pricklepants
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Her death was one of the worst contrived in all film making history, which was the fault of bad writing. These people or repicants are genius level, and they don't freeze or make dumb mistakes set aside for those below 90 on the IQ meter. She, I repeat, her characer would not run with the falling spaceship, but perpendicular to it. Hopefully Scott will fix the error in the DC Blueray and perhaps add a vagueness to her (death) so she can reappear and therefore Scott and the new writer can utilize a talent like Charleze to her fullest which was partially wasted in Promo1. Also please fix the dumbass geologist and biologist in the DC version. Scientists are not that stupid as to get lost (geo) or make out with alien slither creature (bio). Another point is that Scott should refocus the image of the alien mural in the sancuary room, so it can be seen clearly. The mural shows a octopus like god creature, with an Alien creature stepping forth from its outstretched tentacles. This obviously fortells the final evolution of the experiment; which was that a man exposed to the dna would impregnate a female who would then give birth to Octalien, which would eventually impregnate another human and give birth to the final product. The Alien in Promo was slightly different because a Engineer was used in lieu of a human.
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kildeer, the case youre trying to make that PROMETHEUS is a flop doesnt seem borne up by this news today? How many flops recieve sequels? And its not like the script is so incredible that the studio just has to go with it - the script isnt even written yet! Youve made the mistake of pulling numbers out of thin air. Youve also made the mistake of not factoring in the other major territories the film hasnt opened in yet (Japan alone, who are crazy about their sci fi could give it a $15 million bump). You havent considered home release sales, nor the nice pocket change from global tv rights, toys and merchandising. I repeat - how many box office flops can you name that have recieved a sequel?
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...Scott will step in and say: '..yeah, I dunno really I just quite fancy doing this instead and then let the writers take the blame'. Be aware that Ridley Scott's the main man. The buck stops with him as the creative intelligence at work here. He could have stepped in at any point and shut some of that shite that made its way into the 'Prometheus' screenplay, but he didn't. He chose not to. He thought it'd be fine as it was. Lindelhof was doing his job and chancing it. Scott thought that'd be 'good enough'. He's figured that 'good enough' will probably work for the sequel, and he'd be right on that too.
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I want to see this sequel immediately. Prometheus was fantastic, I loved the world it opened up. And for the last time, if characters don't behave exactly the way YOU want them to, that is not a fucking 'plot-hole', you miserable TalkBack fucks.
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i'd rather watch an empty screen for two hours...
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flicka, couldnt have put it better myself!
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There are many SF properties that could be made into movies.
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I saw Prometheus twice. Loved it! I want more of that world.
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Will the home world of the engineers be a wooden planet though? That is the qu3stion!
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The 3rd and 4th were the best and the two with Predators weren't too shabby. But still, PROMETHEUS is the best!
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Aug. 1, 2012, 5:09 p.m. CST
I don't understand the fucking nitwits who act like the relative straightness with which the last two survivors fled the path of the crashing ship is some massive critical flaw in the movie
by Autodidact
Just kill yourselves.
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what's it going to take to get you to stop by for dinner at the Shelter some evening? The gang's all there, and a bunch of newcomers, too. We'll crack a bottle of Chateauneuf du Pape, kill the fattened calf...maybe hold a little PB deathmatch after to aid digestion...
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All i saw was a bunch of oafs wandering about doing stupid stuff. Hold on- THATS IT!- its a commentary on how the media will make us stupid in the future and go about poking vagina worms, breathing alien air, zombies, the inability to run sideways, heading off on an alien ship not knowing where to and having packed no food, etc etc blah blah
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I found the script and character development in Prometheus an embarassment to sit through. Lindelof doesn't seem to know the first rule of character development: not a single throwaway character. If you need something/someone to move the plot forward, use a character you have already developed out of necessity. For example: the biologist/geologist could have been one character. A geologist faced with a potentially dangerous alien organism would have made more sense, and that organism which looked like a cobra, should have acted like a cobra. It should have out-stared the character for hours, until he dropped off, thinking he was safe, and then struck.
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When you read things like the film makers didn't want to explain things because you remember the film - even if you didn't like it because things were left....and i am beginning to hate this word... "ambiguous", fuck you. I like films that leave me feeling satisfied WAYYYYY more than i enjoy "ambiguous" films. Those films have their place but they are WAY more clever. I DON'T need everything explained. Really I don't. I WOULD appreciate it if what I was watching didn't take me out of the film by continuously thing "you wouldn't do that" and "why did they do that?" - like the head- WTF? What was the point of that? What dicks! Nurse "Saywhatimdoingatalltimes" goes and brings it back from the dead and for what? Splat! Great- thanks for that. Reboot it! It's the only way!
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Charlize BETTER come back, otherwise all of that buildup to the new Xenomorph was for nothing.
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Because in the screening I attended, several in the audience did audibly mention to "run in the other direction u dumb bitches", this is ok in a slasher film when the dumb bitches are 16 year old cheerleaders (no offense intended). But, when the women are atop the genius spectrum, it is a flaw, period; especially if the hints of Ms. Theron's character being a replicant are true. A smart writer and director would realize this and create a more intelligent and fitting demise in a supposed grade A sci-fi work of art, that stoop to grade B or F dumb bitch demise.
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Aug. 1, 2012, 5:27 p.m. CST
I liked PROMETHEUS but it had some big flaws. Most embarassing moment to me is when the scottish mohawk guy suddenly gets his big actor-y scream-y moment of anger for no real reason that I can discern
by Autodidact
The characters and their decision-making really are crap in the movie. I like it anyways.
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Aug. 1, 2012, 5:30 p.m. CST
Thank fuck Lindelof isn't coming back
by Turd_Is_Floating_Underneath_The_Gravy
The bad elements of Prometheus were all due to his crappy JJ Abrams-modeled screenplay. Scott's direction was good. Fassbender was great. Of course, Sir Ridley shoulders a lot of the blame for agreeing to film such a garbage script in the first place. What is insulting is that the events of this sequel where supposed to be part of the original film in the first place. Once gain we were robbed out of a complete story at the behest of corporate greed. What writer should they get? Why, Kurtzman and Orci, of course.... no, just kidding...they should get Jonathan Nolan. Untested out of his brother's films, but if he wrote Interstellar for Spielberg then he might have a good grip on epic sci-fi.
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Aug. 1, 2012, 5:34 p.m. CST
tallboy6t6 and others, he lied about the autopilot so he could fake his own death, wtf is so hard to understand?
by Tim
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Aug. 1, 2012, 5:35 p.m. CST
Ha ha, yeah, when the mohawk guy had the out of nowhere ''NOOOOO!! I did not sign up for this! Ngyaaargh! I'm going back to the ship!" moment it was really odd.
by 6000_little_griglets
He was pretty chilled later when he hot boxed his helmet, though. Getting mutated must have really harshed his buzz. Mohawk guy had a bizarre last day or so of life in general really.
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Aug. 1, 2012, 5:38 p.m. CST
Two of the greatest words in the English language: No Lindelof.
by Brian Hopper
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Vickers is a robot or replicant. The ship rolled on top of her and pushed her down through a vent or weak part in the roof of another ship's silo. In the sequel she'll probably be shown to have acquired her own ship and either headed home to earth or to be trailing David and Dr Shaw to Paradise for whatever reason. That's how I'd write it. In any case I don't believe Vickers is dead, whether she's a robot or not. If she's not a robot there are still ways to write her as alive. In any case I think there's a reason they show the ship fall on her. To make you think she's dead. Dumb bastards.
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Aug. 1, 2012, 5:42 p.m. CST
You get down to brass TACKS, not brass TAX. God, people really don't read any more.
by golden tribw
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Aug. 1, 2012, 5:53 p.m. CST
The secret to critical success and profitability: No running in straight lines.
by Autodidact
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You friggin clown.
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Aug. 1, 2012, 5:55 p.m. CST
According to your logic they should be able to slam dunk and stuff too
by Autodidact
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Aug. 1, 2012, 5:57 p.m. CST
No Lindelof for Promtentiousness 2? I'm in, but only for matinee price.As great looking as the film was...
by kenchun24
...at midnight show,Imax etc...it was also a great disappoinment to this fan of Ridley and the Alienverse.
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Aug. 1, 2012, 5:57 p.m. CST
Wow! Internet geeks don't like another hyped up movie. So what's new?
by Jay
Stick to your childhood favorites that warm you up with nostalgia. Everyone else had a blast with Avengers, Prometheus, & Batman.
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That way it won't suck.
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As I understand before he came on it was just a straight forward, boring Alien prequel, with face huggers and eggs and everything we already know. He came in and made into this mythic, epic thing that even has the potential for its own sequels. I love that this movie spawns two different stories. One is Alien, Aliens etc. The other is whatever we get next. Wish Lindelof was writing it personally, but not too bothered that he isn't. I'm just surprised this is getting a sequel at all. Cost a super boatload and I doubt it ever got into any notable profit for those involved. Didn't quite catch on the way nerds had hoped...
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Aug. 1, 2012, 6:08 p.m. CST
Do you fuckwits who use the term "psuedo-intellectuals" have any examples of real intellecualism they appreciate?
by Krinkle
Me think literal! Me not understand movie! You say YOU understand movie? You are lying because me don't understand and mommy and Jesus told me all people are equal
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Aug. 1, 2012, 6:15 p.m. CST
Why anyone would sit through another Lidelof shitburger is beyond me
by Punisherthunder
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Aug. 1, 2012, 6:15 p.m. CST
Hey, fucktard krinkle. I didn't have any trouble understanding the movie. It was the poor pacing, poor dialogue, poor characters that I didn't care for!
by xbagboy
The bad story was the least of it's problems. Bring on a sequel, I still have some hope in them fixing this mess.
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Aug. 1, 2012, 6:16 p.m. CST
i think batman/wayne risked his life enough for gotham for him to deserve the honor if they find he'o out or don't
by DarthBlart
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Aug. 1, 2012, 6:16 p.m. CST
The guy in my theater that booed loudly at the end of Prometheus
by WINONA_RYDERS_PUSSY_JUICE
didn't have a blast.
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Other than Karate Kid, what are your other 5 star movies?
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Aug. 1, 2012, 6:21 p.m. CST
They should reveal that Idris Alba somehow survived the collision!
by Clarence
Maybe he got out in a pod or somehow the front of the ship he was in didn't take a direct hit and before they set off from the planet they find him injured but alive. Of all the characters I wanted to know more about him. If they picked up right after the end of the movie, it'd be far more interesting to have three characters on board the alien ship.
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when Iron Man could have flown the bomb into space the ENTIRE FUCKING TIME!!! But you know, it was better to have all those innocent New Yorkers die in the battle instead... Cuz, you know, whatevs.
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Aug. 1, 2012, 6:24 p.m. CST
in the end go rated R or go home... pg13 movies have the same amount of crazies.... out of respect i wont mention why but seriously rated r all the way
by Creative
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and I have never used that phrase to best effect until now. It looks fantastic and you can clearly see the money up on the screen. However, it's just the most rediculously, pointless and stupid movie. Hence Polished Turd!
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Aug. 1, 2012, 6:34 p.m. CST
Maybe Lindelof is busy working on the Batman/Robin Reboot?
by Domi'sInnerChild
It's sad we won't get to see his vision completed. That's what happened with that last episode of Lost, right? He was working on Prometheus or something and the new guy didn't get his notes?
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Aug. 1, 2012, 6:36 p.m. CST
Prometheus sucked. Strictly wannabe high-concept sci-fi fail.
by juice willis
To those who were entertained, more power to you.
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Aug. 1, 2012, 6:38 p.m. CST
Iron Man could have flown the Nuke into the wormhole the whole time?
by Domi'sInnerChild
You do realize he was unaware of the plan to nuke New York and they were basically planning to do it because they figured the Avengers were keeping the aliens in one location, not "hey, maybe Iron Man will get the idea to grab the nuke and take it for a ride without accidently setting it off or anything" Then Batman went and ripped off the self sacrifice to save New York thing. Nolan is a hack.
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Aug. 1, 2012, 6:42 p.m. CST
Hey xbagboy knuckledragger: Did it ever occur to you that film is a visual medium?
by Krinkle
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So they are quite safe making a sequel to Prometheus.
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I am laughing my ass off because all of you assholes here who said this wouldn't happen. Guess what? It is! 303 Million was enough. This was a good movie, sure not great, but deserved better treatment than it received from emo internet whiners. Let the retards like Rupee88 step forward and continue their whining, its a done deal.
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Aug. 1, 2012, 7 p.m. CST
This micro-budget retro sci-fi beats Prometheus - IT HAS A STORY!
by Pat Grant
http://www.youtube.com/user/OTSOG2012 That's £8 quid I will never see again - wasted bar the visuals on Prometheus. Sod the sequel - we'll wait for the low rent DVD to come out. I was burned too badly by Prometheus. OTSOG is a film I'm helping with. We didn't have a budget but we sure has hell made sure we had a real story, with consistent characters that you could care about. Give it your support fanboys. Kenneth w/p/d (Melissa is off ill)
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by someone who thought Prometheus was that bad. Sorry.
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Aug. 1, 2012, 7:03 p.m. CST
Excited ... Simply because I'm desperate for ANYTHING that can ease the pain Prometheus caused ... This Summer has been a proper kick to the ball sack.
by GINGE_MUPPET
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Aug. 1, 2012, 7:04 p.m. CST
If you're looking for a new writer, may I suggest Alex Garland?
by JRcanReid
Wrote the screenplays for 28 Days Later, Sunshine and Never Let Me Go. He'd be a vast improvement over Lindelof.
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Just sayin.
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Brilliant choice! Great writer, with a pretty solid record of good films.
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Even though it sucked. Prometheus was a good movie, but made less due to rabid fanboy attacks for no good reason. Just sayin.
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A bad Batman film, Prometheus got lost up its own arse, and not a lot inbetween. We got The Avengers and a single standout movie does not a summer make. An absolutely atrocious year for film. Now for Hobbit to come out and fall on its ass. Thats about the way this year is going :/.
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was fine given the budget was ~$100 million lighter.
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Aug. 1, 2012, 7:22 p.m. CST
Cinemas DO NOT take 50% of the takings - let's get this straight, and move on!!!!
by Jason
Cinemas are lucky to receive about 20% of an individual ticket sale. That's a wishful figure at that. As a result they turn to sales of popcorn, ice creams, etc. - everything from the candy stand - to make a substantial profit. So please, the PROMETHEUS haters who so desperately want this film to tank, turn your attention to some other flawed nit pick. PROMETHEUS has done moderately well, and it's yet to be released in some major overseas destinations; and then there's Blu-ray and DVD. There's more than enough interest and success for 20th Century to green light a sequel. Bring it on, I say. (but haters gonna hate!)
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Sits back. This is gonna be fun!
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Battleship had a 209 million dollar production budget...that's the difference
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I bet it was his fault that the story was full of randomness. First he creates LOST, then he ruins LOST, and now he ruined Prometheus. I wonder how he ruined Star Trek 2, if he is still involved after the wreck of Prometheus.
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Aug. 1, 2012, 7:41 p.m. CST
Total Budget For Battleship Including Advertising
by Raskolnikov_was_framed
260 million...Prometheus closer to 180...plus it being R and Battleship being PG-13 makes Prometheus' number look much better
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It got the sequel. It will be interesting to see which writer(s) they go with though.
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SUNSHINE is one of my favorite movies, and its blend of intelligent SF and trippy matphysical/spiritual elements seems a perfect fit for PRMETHEUS. I'd have liked to see the interesting, capable, and professional crew of the Icarus II on the Prometheus, instead of some of the doofuses we ended up with.
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Aug. 1, 2012, 8:09 p.m. CST
Prometheus was really good at getting people to be able to spell Prometheus right...
by deanbarry
Also, it was the Phantom Menace of the Alien series. I enjoyed it, but it wasn't GREAT. Hoping that the sequel brings the meat and potatoes. I'm hungry.
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Promethius was pretty, but it was pretty much a total failure across the b oard. It wasn't good sci-fi, it was really poor horror, we've seen all of it before, and worst of all, it was uninvolving. The plot holes were massive and the characters did things that made no sense at all. And after I left, I literally thought that that was the lamest sci-fi movie I've ever seen (and i've seen a good portion of all of them). Why bother with a sequel?
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Aww fuck I'm dead!
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Aug. 1, 2012, 8:11 p.m. CST
I have to do everything it seems. Wrong on Prometheus Budget!
by JarJar25
Yes! I am so glad that it looks like they will be making a second film to Prometheus. I loved the film, the soundtrack and the Art of Prometheus, which I just bought a few weeks ago. Don't know where the fuck you guys got your figures, but the film cost 130 million to make and it grossed $302.7 million. I think there is a way to satisfiy the audiences of both Prometheus and Alien by giving us more about the culture of the Space Jockey, and showing us how the Alien Cargo Carrier crashed on LV-426. Hopefully, we will get a set up for the Aliens trilogy based on the Dark Horse comics series, whiched dealt with an Aliens Earth War.
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At least you came up with a more creative insult. Anyway, lets stick to talking about the movie. It looked great, I'll give you that. But just because it didn't work for me as a it doesn't mean I didn't understand it. And just because others liked it, I don't thing they are "pseudo-intellectuals" What did people like about this movie? I really wanna know.
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JLbcZggwVCw
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Coming again to have another alien babe yeah! Bring on the sequels!
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Aug. 1, 2012, 8:20 p.m. CST
Once again TBers demonstrate they don't understand the meaning of "hack"
by D.Vader
Face palm folks.
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Aug. 1, 2012, 8:38 p.m. CST
Breakurr 1 niine- thuiss iz rhubber duhck. Cumon back. Oh we got a great big face hug thiiing..
by UltraTron
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TDKR and Prometheus seemed guarenteed to be good, theoretically great. John Carter, bland Spider-man, better than the trainwreck it appeared, but still a fail Avengers was really good, but even it dragged in the middle. Throw in a ton of pretty horrid typical Summer films (typically you get a surprise hit or two) and it was a rough Summer.
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Really isn't a hole, more an oversight on their part (though yes the holes were plenty) is HOW did the squiddy pre-facehugger grow so damn big with no sustenance? Was it 95% air? It's simple physics, and may not seem like a huge thing, but is indicative of the many oversights this film suffered from.
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You never see them eat anything either, and it's full grown in less than a day too.
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Probably won't, at this point.
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Otherwise he'll seriously diminish his body of work like he did with Prometheus.
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Aug. 1, 2012, 8:57 p.m. CST
These things aren't normal earth creatures. Don't treat them and their biology as such.
by D.Vader
They're... ALIEN, remember.
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Aug. 1, 2012, 8:59 p.m. CST
The chestburster grew into a man-sized alien with no sustenance
by rev_skarekroe
It's just something you have to accept about the Alien universe, I'm afraid.
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Aug. 1, 2012, 9 p.m. CST
Batman lying about the autopilot? You don't get why? Jeezus Christ
by D.Vader
So many face palms around this talkback today.
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...when I saw it, and the end credits came up, it was pretty much 50/50 cheering and booing. (Obviously, I was among the cheering). Likes: This movie. Dislikes: People who apparently need every plot point spelled out to them with the subtlety of a Michael Bay movie.
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Aug. 1, 2012, 9:01 p.m. CST
Sweet. Wait till Lindelof leaves the building...
by Mr. Voodoo Potato Head
Then just remake the whole damn movie behind his back, and do it RIGHT! Honestly, this guy is Bannon Braga levels of hacktitude.
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I had quite a few problems with the movie, but I'm not bothered by the creatures growing seemingly erratically and out of control.
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it's Prometheus. I agree with the "Exiled Online" review... everyone shit on the movie unfairly, when a good majority of it was exactly what I believe many wanted it to be. It's just that the 'off' stuff was SOOOO fucking off that it made me wonder how the hell they could not notice it. What the fuck goes on when they watch that first cut? You're telling me they can't shoot a fucking PICK-UP to fix some of the issues? Seriously? How much did they spend and how much would it have cost to go back and shoot, I don't know, 15 minutes of footage to fix some poor character decisions/motivation/dialogue (that can be fixed pretty much for nothing!) and plot holes? If they did, the movie would have made at least 50% more. I think there's enough there, though, to make an excellent fan edit. A few snips would improve it dramatically. And who knows what we'll get in the director's cut, which would allow for even further manipulation.
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Sometimes I forget why I don't participate in Talkbacks as much as I used to by rev_skarekroe Then I read a thread like this one and remember that it's because so many of you people are really, really stupid. Reply to Talkback
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Aug. 1, 2012, 9:12 p.m. CST
The stupid people are the ones who LIKED Prometheus
by Queefer Sutherland
It takes a tiny, undiscerning mind to ignore the poor, poor, poor writing. Rampant inconsistencies, giant plot holes, people acting unlike real humans for the sake of furthering the plot contrivances. This movie was exceedingly stupid and while I can often suspend my intellect and disbelief to enjoy a film, it was impossible with this one. Goddamn, there are a lot of fucking idiots here.
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by that, I mean this FUCKING RIDICULOUS OBSESSION with not only trying to stay one step ahead of the audience, but to have multiple 'turns' in a movie where everything needs to be a revelation or flipped on its head or call into question everything else you've seen prior? What happened to just building to a satisfying climax and enjoying time spent with great characters testing themselves along the way? (i.e. - Jaws, Die Hard, Raiders... fucking ALIEN anyone?!). I mean, Close Encounters doesn't end with the humans who made humans getting out of the ship. It would be fucking silly and stupid and would be EXACTLY what they'd worry about today, rather than, you know, making Roy and Lacombe and the rest great and satisfying characters. The ending of Jaws would be that it was all a video game or a dream or purgatory or some other fucking bullshit... what happened to just testing your limits and beating the bad guy? What happened to the Ark opens up and kills everyone except our heros? We love it because we've been dealing with the evil fucking Nazi's and the french asshole for two hours and it's great to see them get their comeuppance. Because they are GREAT, WELL ACTED PARTS. If Lindeloff, or Orci, or Abrams made the movie, it would all have to turn in on itself like a pretzel, violating everything that's come before, make no sense at all, and all just to get one dumb fuck in the audience to go, "Whoooooooa...." for a MILLISECOND before they leave the theater and start thinking about how what they just saw doesn't add up or make ANY FUCKING SENSE. Ok, rant over.
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Is that what this site has come to? You like a movie and therefor you are stupid. That has to be the stupidest thing I've ever seen. Its called an opinion asshole, and please spare us with your need to be brilliant.
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Prometheus thought it was much more clever and deep than it really was. But its pretense was quickly obvious to me, unlike half the people here, who somehow think they watched brilliant shit. Seriously, this movie was a turd wrapped in silk. It's so obvious it isn't funny.
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Aug. 1, 2012, 9:21 p.m. CST
red_right_return, I'm just responding to those who call me stupid for NOT liking the film.
by Queefer Sutherland
If you can't handle my defense, maybe you should go to some other talkback where peace and tranquility abound.
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Aug. 1, 2012, 9:23 p.m. CST
How about they just reboot the mess and get it right this time?
by Flip63Hole
By NOT associating it with our beloved Alien films, thanks.
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I found PROMETHEUS occasionally stupid but overall exhilarating and majestic...but I enjoyed the fuck out of that little rant of yours.
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Should make fucking sense. If someone doesn't like the same movie as you or likes one you don't like that doesn't make them stupid, it makes you stupid for suggesting it. If you can't handle people's opinions you are coming to the wrong site. We discuss movies here.
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Are you fucking kidding me? How long have you been coming here? We don't discuss movies here. We troll and scream at each other. I'm making complete sense within the context of AICN. I can't even believe you said that.
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You don't validate your discussion by telling people they are stupid because you didn't like the movie. That makes you look stupid, comprende? I've been coming here since the late 1990s. How about you? Do you even read science fiction to have a valid opinion on exactly what IS Scifi? I've read pulp scifi from hard scifi for over 30 years. That's beyond the point though, this site used to be worth a shit until people like you came here.
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Not me. Fool me once, shame on you. Fool me twice, shame on me.
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Aug. 1, 2012, 9:39 p.m. CST
@atari about 73% of the people that saw it the first time...
by Red_Right_Return
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Aug. 1, 2012, 9:43 p.m. CST
red_right_return, you contradict yourself with the term "dickweed"
by Queefer Sutherland
If you truly were interested in intelligent discussion, you wouldn't be throwing names around and indulging in this little flame war with me. If you really ever had any sci fi cred, you just tossed it out the window. I bare my big white ass at you.
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but NOT have an intelligent discussion with you. Like I said, you are the kind of member that makes this site have a bad rep now. I really don't get the impression you are the family's brainchild either.
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Haters hate all you want. Consider me one more butt in the seat.
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Wow, you really told me. I'm so full of shame right now I can barely type through all these tears. I can't believe I've ruined this site for you. I apologize profusely. How can I ever make it up to you? Perhaps I should change my name?
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Aug. 1, 2012, 9:55 p.m. CST
You know, if you'd just left me alone, I'd have gone away.
by Queefer Sutherland
I'm wasn't really all that interested in lingering here. I had my say, I was going to take my "brainchild" to dinner and forget about this stupid fucking movie.
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Perhaps in the sequel we will find out that the reason things are not going well on the engineers home planet is because they were at war , with themselves or another race. It could be possible they view all the races they have created as 'Property' , resources, tools , to be used to complete a step in a process to create biological weapons. They might be able to sacrifice themselves to a point, but once they began running low on 'livestock' they decided to invite their creations to return to a designated military base. Or go and seek them out to harvest them to be used as hosts to create biological weapons. I would suggest that the Engineers have evolved toward the direction of fear, ego and control. Just because they are intelligent doesn't mean they are automatically loving and caring. Evolution in the direction of fear is actually devolution. Devolving means death. Evolve or die. This is why they should find the engineers have all but died out as a race and we as Humans are at the fork in the evolution road as to which path we as a race will continue to evolve on, fear or love.
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Aug. 1, 2012, 10:04 p.m. CST
I'm still stuck on, it wasn't that impressive visually
by Domi'sInnerChild
Seriously, what was the "wow" moment? Dodgy poorly design CGI monsters. Spaceship basically doing nothing. A dark cave with canisters and dead men in suits. It didn't have the atmosphere of Alien. It didn't have the technical display or ambition of Avatar (or even underwhelming John Carter for that matter). Hell, cave exploration was better in the Descent by a mile. It had "great" performances by Fassbender and Naomi that seem less impressive the further away you get from them. Remember that great thing he did where he walked like a robot and dyed his hair blonde before shooting a basketball? Man, that should have gotten an Oscar. Or when she freaked out because her boyfriend said she couldn't make life. Then said "Teehee, let's fuck!". When you think about it, Ash and Bishop were way creepier. Fassbender was basically playing Magneto with less emotion and a funny walk.
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You are so right. The list of idiocies and inconsistencies with this movie is possibly longer than another other film ever made.
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no need for a Blade Runner sequel, do a very good Prometheus sequel and Ill be satisfied.
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Aug. 1, 2012, 10:25 p.m. CST
Maybe Ridley could make a sequel to White Squall instead.
by Queefer Sutherland
That would be more equal to his level of talent these days. Prometheus was way more than he could bite off and chew.
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Sure the film had some issues. However a sequel, more of it will be awesome! Happier to hear this news than even better films having sequels announced. However I think people forget life and mystery doesn't always have easy answers or answers at all.
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The movie sets a precedent and then breaks it 15 minutes later. "there is life a click to my east you say? No way, not dealing with that, we are going west!" 15 minutes later "look at this cute space cobra, im going to try to touch it instead of staying away like we just decided was a smart idea!" and how about all the jars, they all boil and writhe and leak black goo, thats fine I guess, except for the one David takes. that one just unscrews like a thermos, how convenient. also without ever seeing it before, he knows how to open it, what is inside, and how to use it... its also the dumb shit though. ceejaynightwing is right about every point, why would it be a man only medic pod? it seems they would have to actively remove instructions for women. Does that mean there is a separate woman only pod that also costs a fortune? great for sales i guess. if you need two kinds of medic pods, maybe you need a man and a woman version of cryo tubes also for the same reasons, you know different bits... oh, no, because that's retarded. we can fly a crew light years across the cosmos and build robots indistinguishable from humans but we cant fit in instructions to control some robot arms in the medic pod. also after getting the alien cut out of her she is half naked, cut open with a laser and stapled shut, and covered in blood and other bodily fluids. she then stumbles in to a room with 3-4 people that have no idea where she has been, and all that happens is that they throw a robe on her and say get suited up, we have shit to do? also "hey that guy that died in the temple? i have no idea how he just got outside the ship full of people, what should i do? ill open the front doors." five seconds later "hey, that guy that died in the temple? i have no idea how he got out side the ship, but his face mask is melted and hes folded in fucking half, what should i do? lets see if hes ok, even thought he is exposed to the unbeatable atmosphere and HE IS FOLDED IN FUCKING HALF. also the floating probes are detecting life a click to the east, even though when we get to that probe there is not anything there, but they do not detect life in the tomb? the worms are right there coming out of the ground right when they walk in... the difference between TDKR and Prometheus, by the way, is that batman is a comic about an orphan that was trained by ninjas who fights crime wearing a cape, and Prometheus is supposedly hard science fiction.
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horrible joke aside, i am looking forward to it.
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Aug. 1, 2012, 11:09 p.m. CST
Maybe the whole sequel could be like the credits roll of Wild Things
by Domi'sInnerChild
Replaying scenes from different angles and explaining why the characters are acting like idiots. Like maybe the scientist had a pet cobra as a kid. Maybe Naomi really wasn't infertile and that was a stupid sex game they play. Maybe Weyland really wasn't THAT old and it was a Lo-pan Halloween costume he just loves to wear around the office. Etc. Etc.
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The first one was flawed, but entertaining as hell. If they can improve on and flesh out Prometheus (and ditching that hack writer is a great start) I'm definitely on board.
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Aug. 1, 2012, 11:29 p.m. CST
I hope the Engineer homeworld is like the planet Erix in the Shadow 19 script. Just let Spaihts write it and don't screw it up.
by Darth_Kong
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love this movie
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Aug. 2, 2012, 1:04 a.m. CST
Batman lying to fake is own death for no reason is Dumbfuck Level Dumbness like Weyland pretending that he's dead. For NO OTHER REASON than to shock the audience.
by Al
Weyland pretending to be dead is dumb. Batman lying about the autopilot to fake his own death is also dumb. No motivation aside from to just shock the audience when "Hey, crap, they're alive!"
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Aug. 2, 2012, 1:06 a.m. CST
Basically, it's impossible to say Batman faking death = makes sense. Weyland faking death = makes no sense
by Al
They're both cheap twists, okay? Big blockbusters have stupid twists to toy with the audience that have zero thematic relevance.
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So in summation i'm quite pleased to hear that.
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Although it was good in places, it just lacked any tension. The engineers looked like they stepped off the set of "The Martian Chronicles" TV series. And don't get me started on the poxy 3D! I thought you were busy with "The Counsellor" and this "Blade Runner prequel" anyway. And "Paradise" - you'll never get away with that on the marquee: sounds like a film about suicide bombers.
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Dumb faked death. Weyland's is even more wacky than Batman's. You could at least argue Batman is nuts and didn't let his friends in on it just to fuck with them. Dumb technology. Male only surgical machines, sentient holograms, egg controls, etc. vs. Countdown Timers, ID erasers, Wall Street transaction approval process, etc. Man, they're both rough. It's a tie, but not a big deal because they're just movies. If they were better movies you wouldn't care. Dumb Henchmen. Bane trains them for years to follow him to the death vs. Weyland's wacky crew is thrown together seemingly by who's facebook profile made him giggle. Batman wins this round even though Bane's henchmen really should have handled the cops and/or shot Catwoman in the neck. Dumb Love Scene. Bruce gets some while he's down on his luck by an oddly horny for broken down old men evil temptress taking time out from destroying the city vs. "It's easy to make life", "I can't, jerk", "I'm sorry", "Tee-hee, It's okay. Let's fuck!". Batman seems slightly more plausable. Dumb Bad Guy Death. Bane gets taken out by Catwoman vs. Charlize squished by a rolling donut. Batman turns left and wins. Dumb Dramatic Ship Explosion. See Batman's faked death in the sunset vs. undeveloped wagering crew slowly crashing into donut. I think split votes put this in Batman's favor. Dumb FIght Scene. Crew vs. Zombie and Stinky Cops vs. Bane's Dudes. Both pretty jawdropping dumb and lame. Tie. Dumb Accents. Everybody in Prometheus uses a funny accent vs. Bane's Sean Connery Mumble. Prometheus felt more like an onset bet, but kinda works. Bane is silly baby talk. Prometheus wins. Dumb "I'm Out". Alfred abandoning Bruce vs. Beavis and Butthead running from dead Engineers. Prometheus would win here, but then they had to suddenly become brave and pet the snake. So Alfred turning into a crying pussy wins. Dumb Travel. Batman magically crosses continents to get back to Gotham in the nick of time vs. Engineer not needing a helmet to track down that red headed bitch that turned left. I guess technically it could have taken Bruce weeks to get back and they just didn't show it, Batman wins. TDKR wins by technical knockout. Prometheus is the dumber letdown movie of the Summer.
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And to the haters, yes 2 of the characters were dumb-asses. That's not a plot hole, it's an acknolwledgement that people are often dumb-asses.
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Bc some fools are calling you stupid for not liking the movie doesn't mean you're better for saying those who did like the movie are also of sub-par intelligence. I liked the movie. I don't appreciate the insult. This sort of tit for tat bullshit talkback behavior doesn't do anyone any good. Just pisses off more people than the one target you were aiming for.
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And I didnt even hate the first one but I have no desire in seeing a sequel.
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Which were the smart ones?
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Alfonson Cuaron / Timothy Sexton - Children Of Men Duncan Jones - Moon Richard Kelly - Donnie Darko Alex Garland - 28 Days Later, Sunshine, Never Let Me Go Kurt Wimmer - Equilibirum Scott Frank - Minority Report Neill Blomkamp / Terri Tatchell - District 9 Ryne Douglas Pearson - Knowing Jeff Nichols - Take Shelter Mike Cahill - Another Earth a lot of these guys wrote and directed their own films so maybe difficult to persuade them to take on someone else's vision but I would suggest the prospect of working with Ridley Scott in the Alien canon would convince many. Also heaps of very good sci-fi authors out there who would jump at the chance.
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Aug. 2, 2012, 2:42 a.m. CST
Lindelof is not to blame -- he did exactly what Ridley Scott asked him to do
by Hardboiled Wonderland
There's only one man to blame for the crap that was Prometheus. Yeah, I'm looking at you Ridley.
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He had a lot of influence on Ridley with scenes and plot ideas for Prometheus. Studio suits should stay the fuck out of the writing process. At least there wasn't a giant mechanical spider, I guess.
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Aug. 2, 2012, 2:45 a.m. CST
Why did everyone take their helmets off? Why did the women run in a straight line? This is how Lindelof writes...
by brokentusk
Maybe the taking off of the helmets is a further way of showing how arrogant and foolhardy man is? Maybe the running in a straight line is a metaphor for people not being able to "move" from one point of view (Noomi does veer off path, Theron does not). A film isn't made or broken by the questions in logic it raises. The Dark Knight Rises was riddled with logic issues, but the film itself was, ultimately, fantastic. PROMETHEUS was one of the best times I've had in a cinema this year. If you didn't like it, well, sucks for you. So glad they're making a sequel!
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Aug. 2, 2012, 2:47 a.m. CST
How many AICN account aliases is Lindelof allowed to make?!
by Hardboiled Wonderland
So many "Prometheus fucking rocked! Can't wait!!1!!" plants in this thread.
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Aug. 2, 2012, 2:49 a.m. CST
Yeah, sucks for me that I didn't like dialogue gems such as:
by Hardboiled Wonderland
Douche: "Look on the wall, it's a painting!" Noomi: "No, it's a mural." Seriously. Raise your standards a little higher, Brokentusk. You'll live longer.
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Aug. 2, 2012, 2:58 a.m. CST
If the sequel is a slightly different Genre to Prometheus, could strike quite a nice balance in hindsite
by even9
The Engineers, other worlds etc, gotta admit, could open a whole new vista with ta story, or for each story of it's series if anymore.
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Aug. 2, 2012, 3:41 a.m. CST
Aliens needs a sequel. A real one. Wipe Alien3 and Alien Ressurection from the continuity!
by Merlin_Ambrosius
And those stupid Alien vs. Predator movies!
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because there are ships debrits falling on their left and right... I agree it looks a bit silly cartoony, but running sideways would also means taking the risk to be killed by those falling burning debrits.
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It was meant to be used by Weyland only. Silly but it did foreshadow him being alive. Why he's hiding that i don't fucking know.
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He made his pitch, Scott and the rest of the execs bought it and thought what he did was good. Yes, the script was crap and killed the film, but Scott failed to see errors that even half-literate viewers couldn't help but stumble over. A pox on all their houses.
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If any of the film's defenders are willing to have a footlong incision in their abdomen deep enough to hit the body cavity, then close it with five or six staples, and are able to walk across my living room without bleeding out or having their organs spill on to the floor, I will retract all of my criticisms of this film.
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I got chased by a psycho dog once and I ran... In a straight line! It's the direction people tend to run in when they are in panic and want to get away from something. Running in a straight line is not a plot hole. I repeat. Running in a straight line not a plot hole.
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Let's go back to the original film. That Alien shot up real big in just a few hours as well. It may be stupid, but at least its consistent within the universe.
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Thatswhatshesaid, you asked what would be a five star movie for me. I tend towards big scale films that transport you as a viewer to another time or place. Also films with a Rewatchability to them. In recent years films I'd give five stars to would include LORD OF THE RINGS trilogy, MASTER AND COMMANDER, RED CLIFF, DISTRICT 9, BATMAN BEGINS, CASINO ROYALE, KINGDOM OF HEAVEN DC, GLADIATOR, SPIRITED AWAY...
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As messy and mixed up as it was I did enjoy Prometheus. I'd welcome a sequel but expect some better writing this time.
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In another tb someone said about ALIEN growth, maybe they extracted minerals from the air through those massive tubes on their back. At the end of the day were applying logic to a fictional fucking monster, but that idea sounds good enough to me.
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I'm sorry, but nothing made any sense in the movie...</p> <p> 1) why would the engineers leave a map century after century to a bio-weapons facility???</p> <p> 2) the whole surgery scene...ridiculous and created for simple shock value</p> <p> 3) the alien popping out fully grown...WTF?!?!</p><p> 4) the crewman coming back as a zombie...again, WTF?!?!</p> <p> 5) the goo was incredibly inconsistent. The writers obviously couldn't decide on what it was for or could do SPECIFICALLY, so it was just a smattering of nonsense</p> <p> Sci-fi horror has run its course. Everything is now just a riff on the original ALIEN. PROMETHEUS was the biggest letdown of the summer, by far!
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If someone has already posted this... http://redlettermedia.com/half-in-the-bag-prometheus/
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It must have struck a nerve. That's a good thing. Carry on.
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He was trying to fake his own death you fucking morons. That was the plan. Didn't anyone read The Dark Knight Returns? Fuck you assholes, you're stupid.
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So David what's the alien writing saying? It says touch fucking everything.
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They're making a sequel. Didn't see you read the headline? Evidently a lot of people liked the movie. I love how you have the gall to tell me to raise my standards in order to "live longer" after posting multiple comments on a thread for a film you hate in order to convince other people to hate... yeah, we'll see who lives longer buddy.
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can't wait!
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POTENTIAL SPOILER IF CORRECT Okay, this is how you would tell the story of Paradise (if that turns out to be the title). Prologue movie, The Engineers culture of creation and cloning is further explored. ACT 1: Shaw and David's crazy ass trip out to the Engineers Planet. ACT 2: Shaw and David have encounters and ultimately learn deep, but unsettling truths about their gods and themselves. May even come across an Engineer willing to talk. ACT 3: Everything goes to crap, when a member of the faction who made the call to use the xenomorphs to collect human DNA discovers Shaw amongst them. In the ensuing fight and chase and then flight from Planet, the Engineer ends up with a much smaller facehugger landing on him as Shaw slams down his helmet. Thus you have the scenario you encounter on LV 426. Shaw, David and Enemy Engineer all die in the crash, there are no survivors. Shaw's last act is to set up that distress beacon the Nostromo will intercept.
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You know, the one where he talks about how Vickers isn't actually dead but got pushed through a ' ' weak vent ' ' in a randomly buried spaceship and is now pursuing Noomi & The Head across the galaxy, inna Boba Fett stylee. ' ' In any case I think there's a reason they show the ship fall on her. To make you think she's dead. Dumb bastards. ' ' I'm pretty sure Syfo-Dias is her co-pilot. I think it's telling that most people defending Prometheus resort to excuses as bad as that. (no, d.vader, you're not one of those guys.)
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...which I don't see brought up very often is the absolutely terrible build-up to the climactic ramming of the Space Jo(c)key's ship. What could possibly have made the captain, a fairly easy-going dude enjoying his niche in life, suddenly take nutty Noomi's word for the fact that the huge spaceship taking off is going to Earth to kill everybody and that he has to ram the ship, thereby killing himself and anyone else on board. Not only, that, but he does it almost with a twinkle in his eye. Even worse, when he tells his immediate subordinates that they can leave if they want to, they go all ' ' aw, shucks, captain, if you're gonna kill yourself, well hell, we'll kill ourselves too ' ' with rueful smiles on their faces. Nobody -- NOBODY -- says ' ' Okay, wait -- what the FUCK are you saying here. I have to kill myself? Based on the word of a crazy religious bitch? ' ' Just awful, awful writing. This is just one of many examples of how poorly constructed Prometheus is. I can't wait to hear the voluminous fan fiction devoted to explaining that. Perhaps autodidact is available?
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Prometheus is the best science fiction film of the decade!
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Aug. 2, 2012, 10:23 a.m. CST
Is it that ridiculous if she's a replicant? I have no explanation for the captain apart from he had already sensed the grave danger of the facility. His co-pilots being so chirpy about impending death makes no sense whatsoever.
by Autodidact
My little fan-fiction about Vickers being pushed through a vent is based on two things: 1. People acting like "running straight" is some massive flaw. It's not. The vehemence of the criticism levelled at "running straight" is insane to me. So it merits an insane, grasping response. 2. I liked Theron's performance. It really did seem like she was an android/replicant. Replicants can have sex. Hell, androids have had sex with people in the ALIENS comics. David said there were other spaceships. What is so far-fetched about her saying "oh god" and then falling into another silo as the falling ship crashes the ground all around her? It's not ridiculous at all. You twat.
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People aren't upset that he faked his death. They're upset that he faked his death to friends for no reason (other than to tug at the movie goers heartstrings). He could have just as easily quit (again) being Batman or told them to act like he died when the Bat exploded since they were the only three people who knew what the big blammo explosion was. Especially since he apparently was planning to bang one of them, leave clues for the other two, and then visit his weepy Butler in France a couple weeks later. Oh well, at least he can enjoy the videos of Robin getting torn to shreds by the Batcave defense systems when he gets back from France.
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It's utterly ridiculous. In fact, the confluence of factors needed for that to happen is just as ridiculous as when Jason Statham knocked a bomb off the bottom of his car by jumping it into the air so that the bomb was scraped off by the hook of a crane. The difference is, Transporter movies know they're stupid and glory in it. Prometheus pretends to be smart and must therefore be judged more harshly. Your idea is beyond cretinous. What makes it even more hilarious is that you're selling it as something perfectly valid. You perforated bag of syphilitic cunt vapors.
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Aug. 2, 2012, 10:42 a.m. CST
Think Prometheus is going to get Oscar recognizion for makeup?
by Domi'sInnerChild
I kid, I kid.
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Aug. 2, 2012, 10:47 a.m. CST
You need to leave some outside margin for more ridiculous cases
by Autodidact
The hyperbole just makes you seem shallow.
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Aug. 2, 2012, 10:48 a.m. CST
There are other ships. They are in silos. I don't see what's ridiculous about it at all. The only thing we have concluded is that your gauge for ridiculousness is woefully miscalibrated.
by Autodidact
Congratulations on undermining your own credibility for all of time.
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Uh...no
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REALLY, that guy is fucking bad for any movie.
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' Congratulations on undermining your own credibility for all of time. '
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...who used to be moviemack. Remember how badly Batman Begins was going to fail? Just man up and take your medicine, son. Your idea is a howler and you know it. Any movie starting off like that in order to reintroduce a character is going to get laughed off the screen. Ever read Stephen King's Misery? Annie Wilkes may have been a nutbag but you'd do well to read her ideas on ' ' cheating ' ' a reader. By the way, no extra points for pretending to take the high road and playing the hyperbole card. That shit may have worked in debate club but you're way out of your league if you think that's going to fly in talkback.
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Com'on moviegoers, do you really believe all three of the crew would rather face death than spend a few years with Ms. Theron in a uber life module. I mean at least one would take her up on the offer. The captain probably would not because it is his character trait, and I would have liked the scene left in where he screws her and finds out what she really is (left on the cutting room floor, because sooo much was). I mean why would the studios make Scott cut so much from the film in the editing process (typ of studios by the way). I guess they didn't like all the conspiracy stuff concerning Weylan, and figured (wrongly) that moviegoers might be turned off by what Theron's character really was. Which would be a misconception, because fanboys dream of electric seduction. Back to the other two crewmates, even if they realized what her character probably was, and even if she was a bitch, she is a hot smokin bitch, and I would take her up on the offer.
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Aug. 2, 2012, 11:13 a.m. CST
Glad to hear it! Aside from the film's clear and unapologetic judeo-christiancentric storyline, I rather enjoyed Prometheus.
by RedJester
Now, as long as they don't go full on Jesus with this next installment and keep it by and large in the realm of science, this might be my most anticipated film of said year. Granted, everything and anything science fiction gives me a hard-on, but still...
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Aug. 2, 2012, 11:18 a.m. CST
sci-f movies that build themselves up as serious, don't....
by iluvsyfy
have dumbass genius scientists have geologists with latest tech, get lost have zombies have lame brain biologists have men who would rather die than be with Ms. Theron for years in uber life module have intelligent women run in the wrong direction have grade B horror movie storylines have contrived, unimaginative and dissapointing deaths for major characters I coukld go on but have to get to class.
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I know I got it
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I hope you're choking on it right now.
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Yes, I hated Prometheus. However, I welcome a sequel, if for no other reason than that they can't fuck it up any more than they already have and maybe, just maybe, a sequel might salvage something. So no, no choking here. Sorry, chief.
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People aren't hating Prometheus just for the sake of it. It's just that Prometheus is such a badly-told story and I am amazed they're going to make a sequel.
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Aug. 2, 2012, 11:53 a.m. CST
Why did Scott/Lindeloff put dream-watching tech in the movie?
by Autodidact
UNICORNS.
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Aug. 2, 2012, 11:56 a.m. CST
So ilufsyfy, "serious" scifi films can only have creative deaths?
by D.Vader
That doesn't sound so "serious" to me. And I think we need to get away from this idea that monster movies can't have a serious tone, that they need to wear their b-movie roots on their sleeve. Fuck that kind of philosophy.
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I'm saying that's one way you could write Theron into a sequel. And you really do need to re-asses your sorting criteria for what constitutes a truly ridiculous confluence of events. Your mental flatulence makes little sense.
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Best post of this entire talkback.
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A whole scene devoted to Batman telling his friends to pretend he's dead while the clock ticks down to explosion. That'd make for a very interesting scene, I bet it would play fantastically. And let's forget Batman has never dealt in tricks and theatricality. Let's start complaining about him always disappearing around his friends instead of just saying bye and walking away.
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A sequel is very welcome, but just because the original didn't fit your ideal, doesn't mean that it's bad. TDKR has been picked apart just as soundly, which goes to show that if you hate a film enough, then you will always find flaws.
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It's easy to hide behind the argument that it hasn't happened since a sequel hasn't been made yet, but that's not the issue. The issue is what you consider to be a plausible turn of events which could explain Vickers surviving being smushed by the alien space bagel. Well let's play your game for a moment, shall we? The Engineer takes off in a spaceworthy vessel that's been buried for at least 2000 years. Supposedly, there are any number of other ships buried underground in the immediate vicinity. Presumably they're as spaceworthy as the one that took off. What you're saying is in the realm of reasonable possibility is that out of all those spaceworthy vessels, Vickers managed to stumble and fall right on top of a faulty or rusted hatch which, after having withstood a couple of thousand years' worth of the elements, would give way under a soft terrestrial body being pressed down upon it by untold tons of rolling spaceship. Not only that, but she'd survive this ordeal in good enough shape to give chase in a ship of her own. Is that about it? Tell me again about how I need to reassess my idea of a ridiculous confluence of events.
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Aug. 2, 2012, 12:39 p.m. CST
In my theory she doesn't fall through a vehicle.. she falls through the roof of a silo containing another vehicle
by Autodidact
I'm not proposing that she fell into a ship and then took off in it. She was either pushed through a vent or seam.. OR more likely the ground crumbled away around her as the ship rolled over, and she ended up among a bunch of rubble in an underground silo, somewhere close to another ship (not inside it).
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...a Director's cut of Prometheus first please. If he can pull another rabbit out of his hat in the editing bay, like he did with 'Kingdom of Heaven DC'...I'll bow even lower to Sir Ridley for the achievement. ...I'd also be excited to see more.
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Aug. 2, 2012, 12:53 p.m. CST
The major twist to be revealed in Promethues 2
by Turd_Is_Floating_Underneath_The_Gravy
is that ALL the crew in the original were androids, thus accounting for their dubious behaviour. Yes, even the gung-ho kamikaze captain and his two co-pilots! It explains why they were so cheerful about committing suicide. The two stupid fucks petting the space cobra were androids with faulty programming. Like a great chess master, Lindelof has outsmarted you haters! Bow before his genius.
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Aug. 2, 2012, 12:55 p.m. CST
d.vader, exactly. Why didn't Batman just not say anything?
by Domi'sInnerChild
Instead we get him saying goodbyes, reminding Gordon of how he helped him with a warm jacket, etc. Instead we get the wacky prankster Batman punking his friends lying about his faked death.
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They had to know that looked like a stupid scene even on paper. They could have killed her any other number of more interesting ways or had her survive. The was friction between her and David. Have David give her black goo too to see how it affects women/androids. Maybe have her escape and then she transforms in the lifeboat in the after credits. Have her try to stop the Engineer with a flame thrower. Anything had "I got it, she crash lands, crawls out, and then runs before being squished by the ship. That would be AWESOME on film Ridley!".
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Aug. 2, 2012, 1:17 p.m. CST
Impossible to ret-con Prometheus kingdom of heaven style because you'd have excise whole characters like
by UltraTron
1990 gas-sniffing tats on his face guy. Mmm. Nothing like a character that looks like a cumrag that got passed around at a British biker twink convention.
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PROMETHEUS SUCKED, TIME TO PUT THE DOG TO REST
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Hence the staggering popularity of Prometheus talkbacks. Second only to random lensflare whining.
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Aug. 2, 2012, 2:36 p.m. CST
re: "How do the chestbursters grow so big in 24 hours??"
by buggerbugger
Oh, that's easy: The baby chestburster in 'Alien' found a toolkit that'd been left lying around by Parker or Brett and gobbled up all the spare nails and screws. Chestbursters are biomechanical in nature, so they need to have some serious metal in their diet. It's why they've got metal teeth. Just as we meat-creatures grow big and strong on the corpses of other meat-creatures, biomechanoids feast on metal and meat. So, yeah, chestburster ate all the Nostromo's spare parts. ;) Nope, no idea if I'm being serious or not with any of that.
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Everything else was fine. Glad to see they're not making the same mistake twice.
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...haters gonna hate, potaters gonna potate.
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something's gonna happen then right?
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Aug. 2, 2012, 3:22 p.m. CST
Bats faked his death in Dark Knight Returns to continue fighting, Bats faked his death in Rises just to be an asshole. Weyland faked his death also just to be an asshole
by Al
domi'sinnerchild bit about the Weyland faking his death for no reason vs. Bruce faking his death for no reason was pretty gold. Hell of it is, I actually quite like both of those movies (still Avengers FTW, easily) but, seriously, here's how it breaks down to simply this: Dumb plot twist to fuck with the audience's head that has zero character motivation in the plot. Thankfully, there's enough good stuff in those flicks to let it slide and not ruin the entire movie. It's just really, really stupid, that's all.
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That is one good idea, about her falling through the surface, or perhaps there was a hole in the ship at that point. Anyhow I really hope Scott brings her character back, so she can be fully realized with added detail about who or what she truely is.
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Whether it's a ship or a vent, people would be saying ' ' Oh, fuck OFF! ' ' if that were ever filmed.
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Aug. 2, 2012, 3:36 p.m. CST
I posted a sequel concept back in June, wonder if they pinched it...
by TheTeethgrinder
I posted this back on June 8 in node 56303 Shaw and David's donut ship lands on LV-426. Shaw has borrowed an Engineer's spacesuit for protection from the elements during flight etc. It fits a little large but you gotta do what you gotta do. Shaw gets facefucked by Vagina Worm, born of release of Goo on her donut ship. Alien Queen chestbursts out of Shaw as she sits in pilot's chair. Alien Queen goes on egg-laying frenzy around the ship. Years later, the whole mess is stumbled upon by the unfortunate Nostromo crew. Fassbender gets Oscar for 'Best Disembodied Role'. Remember, you read it here first!
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Aug. 2, 2012, 4:28 p.m. CST
They should do a spin-off called Ass Huggers
by WINONA_RYDERS_PUSSY_JUICE
About a gay facehugger that latches onto your asshole.
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That's pretty much how I felt after having seen Prometheus.
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1. Contrived, his daughter was also on the ship so in a state of emergency the medical chamber would not be able to help her too? The point is in 30 years we've gone from needing entire volumes of information on several computers to entire medical diagnosis in a single mobile phone app. The necessity to make the computer as advanced as one would be in 2089 ONLY be able to assist males is ridiculous! His 'daughter' was an android. NO, they didn't come right out and say it, but the clues are all over the god damned place, man. 2. So you'd attempt to stroke a alien creature looking like a king cobra without knowing anything about its physiology after being scared to look at the fossilised remains of a alien dead for thousands of years. Shows your intelligence is worse than the script-writers! I can believe a biologist/zoologist getting very excited the first time he sees an alien species, sure. Touching it was stupid. That meant, to me, that the character was an idiot. What's WRONG with having a character in a movie be a moron? 3. You're blind, the ship didn't fall flat, it was shaped like half a doughnut and fell on its base, the slim side, so running either left or right would have been sensible unless you're as dumb as you are! It even fell on Shaw and she STILL survived! Duhhh! Again: this is the stupidest complaint. This is the last time I'll address it: It's a big ship. They were terrified. They ran. Shaw WAS nearly crushed by it, but she survived. BECAUSE IT'S A FUCKING MOVIE. 4. Yes I have seen the Alien movies, long before you I'd bet too since I'm in my forties! And as stupid as they get as they go along, the idea that the foetus grows larger than the host in less than 24 hours is far fetched even for this franchise! You're obviously more gullible! Somehow I doubt you're in your forties but that's not the point here: The fetus FORMED in less than 24 hours before she even cut it OUT. It's an ALIEN LIFE FORM. Did you know that the entire lifespan of your common honey bee is about 45 days? From egg, to larvae to full grown bee in just 45 days. WOW! AMAZING! Why the hell is it so hard to believe that an alien creature can grow so quickly? The Xenomorph in the original ALIEN went from facehugger to chestburster to full-grown Alien in a few fucking HOURS. http://www.alienlegend.com/Biology/LifeCycle/index.htm 5. Why would he need to kill her, if she served no threat to him leaving before when she had companions and a larger ship that could crash into his before. How can she be a threat to him if he has more ships and she's just had a ship fall on her and only a small lifeboat left to try and fly back to Earth with? Do you even now what character motivations are let alone common sense? This is supposed to be an intelligent alien race that created us, he acts more like a serial killer in a teen horror flick! We don't KNOW THAT YET. That's probably going to be addressed in the sequel. MAYBE they look at us as abominations that need to be destroyed. MAYBE he's part of a warlike splinter group. MAYBE he thought the humans were responsible for the other members of his group being wiped out. MAYBE he was just simply pissed off. This is SUCH a stupid complaint, man. COME ON. 6. The Sandstorm came after the party left the ship, they left long before the other in the party! They were in continuous communication and were being tracked by the Prometheus crew as well as having mapping equipment themselves. You may have watched the film but the basic logistics of a simple timeline and common sense fail you obviously as much as contriving the script for a death sequence failed the writer. Wrong. You're WRONG, man. Milburn and Fifield got lost. The others got out with the sample (the head) as the storm was approaching and it was decided that the two just hunker down and wait out the storm and they'd go get them afterward. Why is that so hard for you to understand? 7. Again you fail to use any common sense let alone character motivations. At the point she loses nearly everything, she realises that at all cost she must stop these aliens from going to earth and destroying it. Suddenly that no longer is an issue in place of creating another Ripley in space sequel so going back home with proof of alien life and their intent to destroy us is not as important as hoping she can find more and they're nicer to her as well as more open to her questions? Suddenly she is again despite all she just experienced and lost? Boy are you dumb! You just EXPLAINED IT! "At the point she loses nearly everything, she realises that at all cost she must stop these aliens from going to earth and destroying it." THAT'S WHY SHE'S GOING! 8. Obviously it wasn't if you can do math! Or if MOST OF THE CREW WAS CONSIDERED EXPENDABLE. You're just one of those guys that's going to find shit to bitch about and bitch about it. If you need your entertainment spoon-fed to you and every single move or motive explained then that's on you. Good luck.
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Aug. 2, 2012, 4:57 p.m. CST
The med-pods are for-profit. Weyland didn't get to be a billionaire by spending money willy-nilly.
by Autodidact
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Aug. 2, 2012, 4:57 p.m. CST
The med-pod wasn't also for Vickers because she's an android/replicant
by Autodidact
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Aug. 2, 2012, 5:23 p.m. CST
Why kid about an Oscar nod for makeup? The work done on the Jockey's was great.
by Shermdawg
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...she brings the damned body on board the second ship. He won't be just a head in the sequel.
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LV-426 ship has already crashed, and it was carrying eggs, not infested.
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*In recent years films I'd give five stars to would include LORD OF THE RINGS trilogy, MASTER AND COMMANDER, RED CLIFF, DISTRICT 9, BATMAN BEGINS, CASINO ROYALE, KINGDOM OF HEAVEN DC, GLADIATOR, SPIRITED AWAY...* Haven't seen SPIRITED AWAY, I've seen DISTRICT 9, but don't own it. I own all the rest in BD, with the expection of the Rings Triolog. I have the extended regular DVD. Mighty good list you put together.
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Aug. 2, 2012, 8:49 p.m. CST
I apologize for calling people who liked Prometheus stupid.
by Queefer Sutherland
What I should have said is that I think people who liked it were willfully ignoring very poor writing and were choosing to lower their standards for film judgment simply because they wanted to like this movie no matter what. In short, temporary stupidity. I can't imagine why else anybody could overlook the brashly stupid and illogical things that happened in this film. Characters were made to act in wildly inconsistent manners simply to further the weak plot and to carry out story contrivances. I'm not going to enumerate my complaints because they have been addressed ad nauseum by many reviewers and talkbackers, including myself. I was really looking forward to this film, and my harsh reaction is the unholy lovechild born from my severe disappointment. I'm not going to pretend I enjoyed it and I'm certainly not going to refrain from expressing my opinion. Call me a hater if you want, I don't give a damn. Prometheus let me down so terribly that I can find little redeeming value in it. Some of the visuals were gorgeous, and Fassbender was interesting, but the vast majority of the movie was simply dreadful. The attempts I've seen at explaining away the awfulness of Prometheus are not in the least convincing to me. Supposed "answers" to many of the movie's questions are merely contrivances derived not from the film itself, but from the imagination of the person using them. Some are quite creative, but in the end it is not the unanswered questions that concern me, but the unexplained stupidity throughout the film. These people are not acting in any logical, nor scientific way. They aren't humans, they're archetypes whose fates were clear the moment we met them. Prometheus pretended to be a deeper, more hard-science fiction film, and it turned out, TO ME, to be a poseur.
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What's going on? Ready for the convention?
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You perforated bag of syphilitic cunt vapours.
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I actually typed: I had no sooner stopped cackling about the "rueful" grins on the face of the two implausibly impulsive martyrs, when I read: *You perforated bag of syphilitic cunt vapours* and blew half a litre of scalding coffee through my sinuses. So what's the Doctorate? Advanced Disciplinary Invective?
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The geologists, Milburn and Fifield were stoned, that's why they were acting stupid. Any stoners want to comment on how rational they've behaved under those circumstances? Of course not, no one ever smokes pot anymore... (only the morons I guess). It was also stressing the arrogance of man, the hubris to do something so stupid, it was- THE POINT! Nature does not lead itself, and man that only follows nature is without any kind of guidance or direction. This is symbolic of the stupidity and pride of man who is only concerned with the natural sciences and are arrogantly self-assured in their own limited knowledge.... Its budget was $130 million...The movie has made slightly over $302 million... looks like it paid off just fine... stop lying. http://www.reelholes.com/2012/06/30/dissecting-prometheus-part-3-man-vs-nature-vs-god/
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Aug. 2, 2012, 9:33 p.m. CST
Most of the complaints are sheer stupidity and ignorance of the original ALIEN.
by Dan
Educate yourself and knock it the fuck off.
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who were stumped by who Syfo-Dias was! HAHA! Go back to your job at McDonalds and give it a rest.
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Aug. 2, 2012, 9:54 p.m. CST
LOL@ THE GUY THAT SAID WE WOULD ALL LOVE PROMETHEUS IF IT WERE A SUBTITLED ANIME
by Balkin Flabgurter
because you are absolutely right.
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There is more to you than meets the eye (or chat handle). Sure, you didn't really retract thinking those of us that liked the movie were stupid, but at least you explained your opinion. I could go on about my own opinion to counter everything you just said but why? Some of the things you said were true even. I still enjoyed the movie though. Do I think it rates up there next to the best scifi movies or stories ever told? Not even close. Still, I would rate it above The Phantom Menace or John Carter. Battleship. You get my point. it really isn't as terrible as people say it is. This coming from someone who has read so many science fiction books that he has a garage full of books from as old as the 1940s through today. I'm happy that there will be another one. Perhaps they will do something more with it. On the other hand, can you really expect smart or hard science fiction from movie studios these days? All they care about is easy money. There are so many books that try to tell the same story that Prometheus did, but far better. Those aren't even the best scifi stories out there. So many people have said they boycott this movie because it only gives studios the excuse to keep making bad movies. They said the same thing about Spider-Man. I just don't see it that way. Stupid people are the ones going to see Saw 7, Vampires Suck, any Adam Sandler movie, any Sasha Baron Cohen movie, or anything else TRULY shitty out there. Prometheus was at least an attempt at science fiction. It was flawed but it was still an enjoyable movie for me and my family.
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Aug. 2, 2012, 10:14 p.m. CST
wrong Queefer Sutherland the reason why some like Prometheus..
by chien_sale
was not as much shutting your brain down but as much as opening your mind to imagination not be defined just by cold hard logic when we watched it. People accept that characters act stupid in a horror movie, why flip because "oh no these guys should not have acted that way in front of another being". I decide to let some bad elements passes because others captivating me a lot and feed on my imagination.
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red_right - First of all, I apologize for my reactions last night. I freely admit I bring out Mr. Hyde online at times, simply because it's a mostly harmless outlet, and some of the people here were making ridiculous comments about the character of those who didn't like Prometheus. Sometimes I like taking the bait and bringing out the monster. But I AM more than that, and I honor your reasons for liking the film. The fact that you aren't an apologist for its flaws shows that you're a reasonable person. So forgive me for being so confrontational. chien - I never thought of looking at Prometheus as a horror film. Viewed from that perspective, I suppose it is a hell of a lot more defensible. Still, it was, to me, marketed and framed as serious science fiction, so I can't forgive its flaws. But I completely see where you're coming from.
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Cool. my apologies for acting like a grumpy old man. :)
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Aug. 2, 2012, 11:01 p.m. CST
PROMETHEUS for me is several stretches of amazement and dread interrupted by several moments of mind-numbing stupidity
by Autodidact
Aside from "SMART PEOPLE SHOULD RUN IN ZIG-ZAG FASHION" I totally agree with most of the complaints about the movie. I just find enough good to enjoy in it that on balance I would have to say I enjoy the movie and can't wait for a sequel.
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PROMETHEUS, whose nice-sounding Blu-ray release went up for pre-order shortly before/as the movie hit theaters, will arrive on home video soonish......
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Aug. 3, 2012, 1:09 a.m. CST
The biggest crime of Prometheus is that it didn't expand the mythos with anything interesting and didn't have a shock scene anywhere close to Alien
by Domi'sInnerChild
Which makes the movie as pointless as the AVP movies. The Engineers being human, black goo, and random (or are they? dum dum dum) mutations really are the equivalent of the clones and Hybrid Alien in Resurection or Bishop being alive and Aliens took on characteristics of their host in Alien 3. It all basically LOST crap that feels made up on the fly because it make look cool on screen, not that it gives us an interesting origin of the Aliens and Engineers. If there's nothing there, fine leave it to the imagination. If you go there and handle it lamely, it's like Darth Vader rolling down hills with his girlfriend.
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Plus we had Moonrise Kingdom. Both are potentially classic films and were a lot of fun. Sure, everyone has had a disappointment (or three) this summer but we have had some decent films here and there.
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Aug. 3, 2012, 3:04 a.m. CST
The stupid behavior of the so-called scientists was worthy of scorn, but
by Dennis_Moore
running in the direction of something falling toward you, I can forgive. Ever have a tall piece of furniture fall toward your. Your first instinct isn't to dive perpendicular. There is a natural tendency to throw up one's arms and cower. Besides, the ship is so huge, it's probably still going to squash you left or right.
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Aug. 3, 2012, 3:04 a.m. CST
Meant to type: Ever have a tall piece of furniture fall toward you?
by Dennis_Moore
Have a massive headache right now.
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Prometheus was better than 95% of the crap put out this year!
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longbaugh, thanks man! SPIRITED AWAY is definitely worth a watch, its a film that will *spirit you away* into a very distinct and imaginative universe of its own. It knocked my socks off as you say! To tell the truth thats also the reason why I rate PROMETHEUS as highly as I do. Not for reasons of plotting or necessarily what actually *happens* in the film - but more for the world it takes place in. I mean Ridley Scott shot this movie on 17 sound stages including the worlds biggest (the 007 stage) which he actually had extended to accomodate the sets. I love the big sets, the practical fx, the costumes, the scale and imagery of PROMETHEUS probably more than the actual story.
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and more fuel for the camped bandwagon haters!
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Aug. 3, 2012, 4:17 a.m. CST
but for the record..the black goo in prometheus......
by Balkin Flabgurter
is a total ripoff of "the amazing spider man" cartoon series from the mid 90's, check out the episode on venom's origin, i believe in the second season and the black goo the astronauts get infected with on the asteroid is called prometheum X which in turn is the symbiote. way to be original Scott. I will still go see prometheus two and like it because that is the camp i have picked.
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Which was "stolen" from X-files so....
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Aug. 3, 2012, 9:19 a.m. CST
We know they were stoned, even Shaggy runs from monsters
by Domi'sInnerChild
And he knows 99.99999% of the time they're old men in suits or puppets.
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We are created by some asshole swallowing a cup of cum. No shit, this is probably something Giger would try pull off!! Someone do this with after effects or Nuke or whatever.
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If the crew of the Nostromo had been stoned I could have accepted it, but elite scientists picked to man the most important scientific mission of all fucking time? Geddefuckouttahere wit dat shit.
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You're welcome!
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How is that a fail? Seriously? 130 million dollar budget, figure 50 mil for advertising and the sad pittance they have to pay theaters from ticket sales, and you're looking at close to a hundred million dollar profit. Put things in perspective, and say it slowly to yourself... One... Hundred... Million... Dollars... Profit. And there's still dvd to look forward to. Yeah, epic fail.
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Aug. 3, 2012, 11:17 a.m. CST
Prometheus" only earned $302 million worldwide off a reported $150 million dollar budget and the film only grossed $125 million domestically, but the studio obviously sees further potential for its story.
by Domi'sInnerChild
I saw a rumor that the budget ended up closer to 200 million. Ultimately, Prometheus probably about broke even at best and Fox is doing a double down on it.
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Batman is a person different from Wayne, and this was Wayne's moment to shed Batman entirely. Batman dies. It needs to be more than a "just pretend I'm dead" moment. He IS dead. Those characters aren't going to see Batman again. And they're not going to see Wayne again either (save for Alfred, which was a great ending). This is the goodbye for everyone. Both characters are "dead".
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Yeah man, ready for that nightmare that will be the DNC. But I'll be working on The Daily Show while it's in town so that should be fun.
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Aug. 3, 2012, 11:50 a.m. CST
amlopanureggshen69, I just watched that episode of Spider-man cartoon last night with the Promethium X
by SergeantStedenko
I wouldn't blame Scott however. I'm sure he had no idea where Lindelof ripped it off from. zodlovesmaude, I don't know about you, but originality does matter to me, especially when your crafting what is supposed to be an adult scifi masterpiece and you totally steal the main premise from a children's cartoon. For chrissakes, the black goo in Spider-man was even named 'Prometheum X!" Prometheum X!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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Aug. 3, 2012, 11:53 a.m. CST
tehfuck id right; the goo shoulda been a white load
by SergeantStedenko
and when you look at it under a microscope, all the sperm have claymation face that look like Alan Arkin. Kudos to the first person who gets the reference.
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I love it. The chestbursters are just nail-biters, hah!
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I really wish I saw the same films as those who loved Prometheus and DKR; the ones that didn't have contrived writing, characters who take mind-numbingly stupid actions and plot holes you could easily drive a Tumbler or an APC through.
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Do you really think they only dropped $50 million on advertising worldwide or that the budget was only $130 million? Movies generally need to make two to three times their budget to be profitable. Mostly because those annoying movie theaters keep 40-55% of the ticket prices. Prometheus will probably make up a lot on Blu-Ray sales, but it's clearly a barely break even movie at best and they're hoping the sequel will not be as bad, be cheaper to produce, and do at least similar box office.
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why doesnt hollywood know how to make a spetacle anymore. they should even if they have to tron 2 sigourney bring in sigourney's alien character. alien is a franchise that could easily by spunoff. i highly enjoyed prometheus, so far my favorite movie of the year with expendables 2 and the hobbit.
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Those fucks were ripped..... and aggressive too!
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looking forward to expendables 2 and the hobbit.
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Aug. 3, 2012, 12:37 p.m. CST
Neither of you know what you're talking about. Theaters do NOT get 50%. Not even close.
by SergeantStedenko
They make most of their money from concessions, which is why they charge $8 for a tub of popcorn. Maybe a United Artist theater will get 50% for a United Artist film, but not your average theater. I know people who own several small independent theaters.
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Interesting question about theater percentages, I did a bit of googling and found this from an article called 'Why is my popcorn so expensive'... The reason the exhibitor can't make money just showing movies is that the distributor's cut of the box office is very, very steep at the beginning of a picture's run. The deals are usually arranged so that the distributor's cut decreases over time; that way, a film with "legs," i.e. a movie that continues drawing audiences for a long run, will eventually pay big bucks to the exhibitor. However, if a movie spikes early and falls off fast, the distributor takes the lion's share, and the exhibitor loses money on the deal. The percentages are worked out case by case; there are general guidelines and precedents, but no hard-and-fast rules. Films projected as blockbusters, naturally, have the most leverage for establishing deals favorable to the distributor, while smaller movies will take what they can get. During the month before Godzilla came out, for example, the distributor, Sony Pictures Entertainment, was making noises about wanting eighty percent of each and every ticket. Up to that time, most big movies were getting between seventy and eighty percent, but allowed the exhibitor a small overhead exemption for basic expenses, like utilities, the building lease, and so on. For Godzilla, however, Sony tried to float the idea of cutting the overhead allowance, and asking for a flat eighty percent right off the box office. The exhibitors grumbled mightily, but they didn't have a lot of leverage, given the film's omnipresent publicity and its high "want-to-see" ratings based on audience research. But then they actually got a look at the movie, at their advance exhibitors' screenings, and the grumbling turned into outright refusal: They realized the movie would be a turkey, and Sony's bargaining position disappeared. Similar behind-the-scenes manipulations take place prior to other high-profile premieres, of course. Although nobody's willing to discuss the details, you can be sure that 20th Century Fox and Lucasfilm were pretty much free to dictate their terms to the exhibitors for the release of guaranteed moneymaker Star Wars Episode One: The Phantom Menace. Although some quality-of-presentation conditions were confirmed in advance (e.g., the theatre had to be outfitted with the latest sound systems, the movie had to open in the largest available auditorium and stay there four weeks before being moved to a smaller screen, etc.), the box-office percentage payouts were never officially made public. But it doesn't take a genius to figure out that they must have been extraordinarily rich for the distributor. And this will only get worse, with the exhibitor's share getting smaller and smaller, as the bar continues to be raised for big "must-have" event movies.
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Based on the trailers, the hype and the way PROMETHEUS was positively trending in the run up to release I suspect that Fox would have been able to negotiate a pretty strong percentage deal with the distributors - at least for the opening week.
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Aug. 3, 2012, 2:17 p.m. CST
cobra, good work, that's some reporting, right there.
by SergeantStedenko
I'm not sure where the whole 50/50 thing started, but I'm sure it pisses off theater owners. They wish that were the case. Be curious to know if they get more of the haul from the extra charge for a 3D film.
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Thank you Sergeant. (salutes)
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Aug. 3, 2012, 4 p.m. CST
Well, I just saw SPIDER-MAN. Here is my only reaction aside from saying it looked good whenever Spider-Man was on screen in full costume:
by Autodidact
PUT YOUR FUCKING MASK ON. As I feared from the trailers, Spider-Man removes his mask in literally every single scene in which he appears. Literally. Every scene. I was sickened. The whole thing was so mediocre and oddly toned and I fucking hate Andrew Garfield's acting. He does three things in every single scene: 1. Look down 2. Mutter 3. Repeat almost everything you say at least once
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Aug. 3, 2012, 6:07 p.m. CST
Frankly I find "movie fans"'s preoccupation with budgets and grosses disgusting
by D.Vader
None of you should care about this and no one here is an expert to begin with. Let's drop all the prognostications about what's a hit and what's a flop and instead care more about how much we enjoy or don't enjoy a movie.
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Aug. 3, 2012, 6:09 p.m. CST
I'm not sure where this idea theaters keep 50% of grosses came from. It's dumb.
by D.Vader
I'm glad that was cleared up. Again, no one here should care to begin with.
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I hate -- HATE -- the endless B.O. debates that more and more often crop up in talkback. It's like listening to sportscasters endlessly discussing the most boring statistics imaginable. Show me one single TB for a new movie where some jagoff doesn't howl ' ' this is gonna tank! ' ' Movie discussions are reduced to my-movie-is-gonna-beat-your-movie-at-the-box-office while discussions of a film's qualities or flaws become secondary. It's depressing beyond words and, alas, a symptom of our times.
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Aug. 3, 2012, 6:27 p.m. CST
Not to mention the box-office obsession clouds discussion... you think you're talking about quality and artistic integrity...
by Autodidact
They're talking about what's marketable, what broadens the appeal, and WORST OF ALL what makes the movie "watchable" to dumb people with no attention span.
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Aug. 3, 2012, 7:04 p.m. CST
zodlovesmaude ..Look, I've been plenty stoned plenty of times...
by conspiracy
and I can say in all honesty that no matter how fucking high, drunk or stoned I was..there would be no way I'd take my helmet off on a potentially lethal alien world, or try to pet a creature that looked like a Cobra with a vagina. Scared and nervous tends to snap you out of a happy high real fucking quick.
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Aug. 3, 2012, 8:55 p.m. CST
Trained scientists, even when stoned, still act like trained scientists.
by Queefer Sutherland
It's a lame excuse.
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Aug. 3, 2012, 9:59 p.m. CST
i like space movies, i like good effects, i like scotts visual taste and get what he was trying to show us.. but..
by Balkin Flabgurter
me and my friends left the theater after hyping it for over 8 months trying to come to terms with what had happened, yes after a few days i accepted what had happened that night, thought about how elaborate the story was, and how nothing seemed linked, so i convinced myself the movie was made to have a sequel. but in all reality if the movie was great i would have left the theater crying and laughing over a beer talking about how great it was, instead we all just went home, me and my girlfriend went to a dark bed, and turned off the lights and went to sleep. I am a huge Scott fan, and that was my reaction after the movie.
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Aug. 4, 2012, 2:47 a.m. CST
FOR THE RECORD, THE XFILES GOO WAS AIRED IN 99 WHEREAS THE SPIDER MAN EPISODE WITH THE PROMETHEUM X AIRED IN 94, AS WELL AS IN THE COMICS IN 89, SO NO, PROMETHEUS DID NOT RIP OFF X-FILES COMPLETELY, BECAUSE X-FILES SOMEWHAT COPIED THE SYMBIOTE SUITS PROPE
by Balkin Flabgurter
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Aug. 4, 2012, 2:56 a.m. CST
The black goo in Star Trek TNG "Skin of Evil" predates all that, having premiered in '88.
by Queefer Sutherland
Just saying.
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vader and doc, I agree that the money side of the movie industry is far less interesting than the artisitic side. However this particular thread is about a sequel getting greenlit and like it or not thats 99% a financial decision - the movie doesnt even have a script yet! (ps when people said the geologists were stoned I thought they were joking around - wait - you really DO see them smoking a joint? I didnt catch that on first viewing!)
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*instead we all just went home, me and my girlfriend went to a dark bed, and turned off the lights and went to sleep. * What, no spooning?
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*instead we all just went home, me and my girlfriend went to a dark bed, and turned off the lights and went to sleep. * Wait - the bed was dark BEFORE you turned off the lights?
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Aug. 4, 2012, 4:10 a.m. CST
There's also the Black Oil in TWIN PEAKS from '90-'91
by TheUmpireStrokesBach
And has anybody brought up DISTRICT 9 in this thread yet? What would it take for it to become it's own trope? Would it always have to have similar effects? Comparing all these black goo movies/shows it would seem this Devil Jizz is always bad news for humans for the most part..as it seems to have pretty chaotic results when touched or ingested (besides TWIN PEAKS that is..where the Black Oil seems to mainly act as a gateway rather than some sort of mutagen).
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avatar 2 for 2014/2015. so 2 sci fi films from the same studio in the same year seems a bit off some how.
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I just posted a comment that avatar 2 is being planned for 2014/2015. and its gone. here is the story from rte.ie about avatar 2 two sci films from the same studio at that same time? dont think thats possible http://www.rte.ie/ten/2012/0730/avatar.html
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...now ringwearer9 is over in the Joy Of Movies talkback claiming that movies are the worst thing that's ever happened to civilization and is blaming Batman for the shootings. Just when you think you've seen it all... Why do people like that even come to this site?
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Doc, you said it. Sick and tired of all these box office prognosticators trying to tell us what should and should not be green lit based on their perception if money. And Cobes, of course I was not referring to you in my short diatribe above. You were curious about getting to the truth and that's a-okay.
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Yeah the geologist had marijuana pumping through his helmet.
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Aug. 4, 2012, 6:45 p.m. CST
$300m + more territories to open, is pretty strong business FOR AN "R" MOVIE!! (which it wasn't really)
by marineboy
The audience are so protected from gore these days. It's ruining the visceral experience most of us can handle!
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Aug. 4, 2012, 8:57 p.m. CST
They never showed the biologist smoking pot although it's pretty obvious there is a deleted scene where he took a hit
by Autodidact
As mentioned upthread, pot doesn't lower your inhibitions. Alcohol lowers your inhibitions. Pot makes most people a bit more cautious and some people can't handle the feelings of paranoia it gives you. So the snake scene is actually worse if they're meant to be stoned.
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It's not a nice place? No shit?! Poopmetheus.... such a turd.
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Aug. 5, 2012, 3:23 p.m. CST
Good news that just came a little too late after the dammage was done.
by AsimovLives
It's a pity that Demon Lindel-Off was not booted out of PROMETHEUS when he delivere his first draft, thus saving us from one of the dumbest stupidiest story put into film in the last 10 years. Alas, the universe is not a place of justice. I pity the poor chap who has to inherent the Lindel-Off's mantle, he will have quite a task! If i were him/her, i'd create a story in which it put to question everything that happened in the first movie, as if the first movie was a tale from a very unreliable survivor, like Shaw, and then we would get to see what really happened, thus in effect a reboot. Because PROMETHEUS deserves a reboot, and a story and characters that actually make sense and act like something resembling human beings. Just before i get banned again, i'd like to take this opportunity to get out of my chest my two cents about THE DARK KNIGHT RISES, which i only got to watch last friday. I know this is not the appropriate talkback for it, but all other talkback foruns dedicated to the movie are no longer with active participants. So, sorry about that, guys, hope you understand. About THE DARK KNIGHT RISES, watching it was like receiving the visit of an old dar friend. It is quite a very good movie, very enjoyable to watch and a very clever and fantastic conclusion to the THE DARK KNIGHT SAGA as the 3 Christopher Nolan's Batman movies are known. My reaction to it was of the type of pleasure one has, to use a metaphor, the love of mature age. Batman Begins was the inicial impact to the Nolanverse, it had like the fireworks of the first teenage love. The Dark Knight was like the passion of the love from our early adulthood, and TDKR is a more mature love, less fireworks but the intensity of the feelings are the same. Familiarity brings a more calm attitude toward the movie, and that's a good thing. Gives each of this movies their own identity. It's cool. If i dared make a prediction, i think TDKR will be a very studied and dissected movie in the future. People will have lts of fun loking for meanings in the story, both text and subtext presented in the film. Good fun. The film is made with the usual excelent filmmaking quality that Nolan has used us to. The bar is still high, but i just hope that we don't get too complacent about it and still be be to marvel at a filmmaker who is so consistently good. Fun fact: in Bane's prision, one of the inmates call it "hell on Earth". The interesting thing is that there used to be a prision in India called Hell On Earth. It was build by the legendary ruler Ashoka, the prision itself was a pit in the ground, and it was a place of darkness, torture and dispai, whose ruins still exist todayr. Lo and behold, the place where Bruce Wayne is dumped is a prision that's a hole in the ground, later revealed to be in India. Fun detail. At the begining, Bruce Wayne is presented as a reclusive billionaire detatched from the world. Interestingly enough, once Noan was attatched to a movie to be a biopic of Howard Hugues. Coincidence? I don't think so! I have to make a coment about Harry Knowles' review of the movie. a review which i found to be a bit srange, a bit weird, even byzarre. All the things he complains about the movie are either actually explained and made logical with the story and with the dialogues, or are references to things said and done in the previous movies. Harry's complain that Wayne stepped out of the fray and retired, and his opinion that he should had continued going after criminals motivated by his pain from the death of his beloved Rachael Dawes, it seems like Harry forgot one of the most important themes from the first movie: the difference between justice and vigilantism. Harry wished that Batman had continued on his fight against crime. But Batman in the Nolan's movies was not a vigilante, but somebody whose actions outside of system facilitated the bringing down of justice to the crime world that plagued Gotham. In Batman Begins, both Dawes and Ducard point out to Wayne the difference between vigilantism and justice.Vigilantism is self-gratification through the hunting down of criminals to assuage a personal pain. But those two people helped guided Wayne to more loftier goals, to raise above mere personal pain and to use his drive to focus on what was the real problem: the top crime bosses who comanded the crime world. Batman in Nolan's movies never went after purse snatchers. He never bothered withy small fry, because his goal wasd to get rid of crime, and to do that, you go to the source, the top bosses who profit from it. The very first action that Batman does in Batman Begins is to bring down Carmone Falcone, to facilitate his arrest from his crime activities. Harry wanted Batman to go punching purse snatchers because he had a heartache from loss. Harry, i fear, didn't understood the whole point of Batman's actions in the Nolan's movies. Maybe in the next reboot to be he will finaly get a Batman he might like better, one that fights purse snatchers and mutant monstruosities and more fantastical villains like Man-Bat or Killer Croc or a Joker with smilling killer gases or whatever, maybe even writen by Orci and Kurtzman. His complain that Batman would retire is specially strange since he invokes KNIGHTFALL, the story in which after Batman is defeated by Bane, he DOES RETIRE and passes the mantle to another fellow who becomes Batman in his stead. And Wayne even tells his replacement avoid facing Bane no matter what. Then Wayne VOLUNTARILY leaves Gotham to travel the world and Alfred decides to stay in london and leaves the service of Wayne, he quits. So, in KNIGHTFALL it happens the same things that Harry complains about in TDKR. It's juust strange. At least in TDKR, Wayne leaves Gotham against his wishes, he's shoved into a prison when he can't do anything against it, and doesn't rest until he finds a way to escape and return home By Harry's own standards, Batman in KNIGHTFALL would not only be a quitter but also a yellow coward pussy. I just don't understand the old boy. I really don't understand Harry's aggravations against TDKR because they don't make much sense to me, they seems so self-contraditory. I hate to say this, but i just think that Harry just didn't payed enough attention. And after all that above, i'm now sure that i'll stay banned, and banned good. But understand me, i just had to say my piece on the subject, i wouldn't feel like i would be true otherwise. See ya guys laters, and sorry to bring back THE DARK KNIGHT RISES to a forum on a different subject. But i had to. Thanks and be well, peace.
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=Good news that just came a little too late after the dammage (sic) was done.=
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So what exactly are you trying to spell now?
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It's an acronym and it's in the english language, so you should know or make a good guess, loser. A dumb idiot is happy that i'm banned, no suprise there then.
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Such harsh words Asi. I really don't think I can handle it. Just thought that "GFY" was just a botched attempt for you to come out of your closet. It gets better, Asi.
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if you are so unhappy, you can always kill yourself and help the gene pool get rid of a deffective batch. that would be mighty neighbourly of you.
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If you are so butthurt from being banned and having me laugh at you about it, you could always just admit to your total gayness. That would be much more honest of you. It gets better, Asi.
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