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Whoever Controls The Train Controls the Future!! The Teaser Trailer For THE LONE RANGER Is Here!!
The Kidd here...
Following the teaser one sheet reveal from Disney yesterday, The Mouse is giving us our first look at THE LONE RANGER in action with the release of the film's teaser trailer.
There are only glimpses to be had of the Ranger and Tonto, as this teaser is really about building the unseen Tom Wilkinson as the villain and the setting of the film. There is a lot of train on display here, so I'm curious to see what type of action Gore Verbinski has in store for us with that in mind. And, if you were worried that Johnny Depp would just be replicating his Jack Sparrow routine in Native American garb, that doesn't appear to be the case... at least so far. We may be getting Depp playing the role straight, which can only benefit the film.
Consider me intrigued. I'm not blown away by what I'm seeing just yet, but I am curious to see more.
-Billy Donnelly
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Maybe it's the music. Maybe it's the way it's cut. Not sure. I'm reserving judgment on the MOVIE until it comes out and I SEE it... But I hate that trailer.
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He resurrected the Pirate genre...can he do the same with the action Western? Also, have they thrown out the Supernatural aspect of the script? The whole plot involving Wendigos/Werewolves? Thus explaining the need for Silver bullets...
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Oct. 3, 2012, 9:34 a.m. CST
Apologies, thought this was the shitty version that was floating about earlier.
by loafroaster
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Should be fucking fired. Nu Metal for a goddamned Western? William Tell Overture. John Reid NOT taking off the mask. PRETTY FUCKING SIMPLE. I have reached my fanboy quotient for the day.
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Oct. 3, 2012, 9:35 a.m. CST
You mean an adventure movie for Gore Verbinski looks incredible?
by Dharma4
Shocker! Looks amazing. -Namaste-
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-Namaste-
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Oct. 3, 2012, 9:36 a.m. CST
Is the twist a revelation that Tonto is actually a white dude pretending to be a Native?
by aceattorney
Or will this be the greatest white performance of a non-white since RDJ in Tropic Thunder?
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Oct. 3, 2012, 9:38 a.m. CST
John reid, meet John Carter. John Carter, meet John Reid. You two have a lot to talk about...
by You Have MY Voice
As with JOHN CARTER, the teaser assumes you know the story of the Lone Ranger. To those who don't, it looks like a psuedo-modern Western with a bad pop soundtrack. The music is bad. Removing the emphasis from the Ranger (in general, as well as with the trailer) is a bad choice. Choosing to emphasize the trains in the teaser is a bad choice. And as I'm sure others will have agreed in the time it's taken to type this...why in the holy hell would you NOT use the William Tell Overture?!? Initial impression: JOHN CARTER 2013. It may not be a bad film when it's all said and done, but this and the teaser poster don't inspire confidence.
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I'm glad to see them change it for all their live-action properties (TRON: Legacy, John Carter, Lone Ranger...)
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Look at me, I'm cool cuz I can bash every new movie coming out!!!
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Count me in.
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Kidding aside, yes I'm intrigued.
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...before someone started in on the "Depp is a white guy" crap. Look...I'm not pleased with the casting of Depp either, but that's because I'm sick of him, not because of his heritage (which IS Native American). I'm sure he'll be fine. And it'll get asses in seats. SURE, most of them will be WOMEN'S asses, but where's the problem in that?
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I'm diggin' it. Liking a lot of Verbinski's shots in this too.
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Time for more flops.
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Oct. 3, 2012, 9:51 a.m. CST
That reminds me that I need to finally watch "the Good, the Bad, and the Weird"
by j
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Oct. 3, 2012, 9:51 a.m. CST
I would have even accepted a heavy metal William Tell Overture.
by blackmantis
This is why Disney dropped the ball on John Carter, because they RAN AWAY from the property instead of embracing it.
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Oct. 3, 2012, 9:57 a.m. CST
Pretty Silly. And I Still Just Can't Fathom How 300 Mil Was Necessary
by Crow3711
If District 9 and Chronicle can be made for roughly 30 each, and The hurt Locker cost 15, Looper just cost roughly 30 this year. It makes no fucking sense how a movie with trains and old west style needed a 200-300 million dollar budget. Just because Depp is in it doesn't mean it HAS to cost that much. It's unfathomable. This one doesn't even evolve oceans or giant pirate ships and the like, which admittedly, is horrifically expensive to create and shoot on. But this….it just looks like another movie. 3:10 to Yuma only cost about 50-60. What the fuck?
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And I'm out. Fuck this trash.
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LOL. That's a good one! Depp doesn't play ANYTHING straight. He's incapable. He's the hammiest actor in movies and knows no shame.
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cJEUYkXBAW8
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Another eccentric Depp creation - looking like the bastard son of Jack Sparrow.
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the original sound of course.
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Oct. 3, 2012, 10:08 a.m. CST
We're all being brainwashed by the telegraph industry!!!
by Royston Lodge
We're through the looking-glass here, people.
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This looks a LOT bigger than 3:10 to Yuma.
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I hope not!
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They are the only minority that actually deserves any more respect than an average person.
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Oct. 3, 2012, 10:21 a.m. CST
Fuck, I actually liked that shot of the train cars decoupling and Tonto's face is under one of the...coupling...things
by spacehog
That's it though. I think the problem with Depp, any aspersions of playing ''redface'' or whatever aside, is that he IS Jack Sparrow or his million Tim Burton roles now, for the majority of the audience. So the idea of him playing it straight--EVEN IF HE'S PLAYING IT STRAIGHT--is ridiculous. We're constantly going to be waiting for him to mug for the camera or do something stupid, so his deadpan delivery seems like a setup for a joke, even if it's not. He's just not the right person for the role. And that's not fair, because he's obviously quite capable of a serious, respectful take on the role, but audience expectation is overwhelmingly against him at this point.
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Oct. 3, 2012, 10:29 a.m. CST
The ONLY minority?! Really ironhelix? Not to say one race had more atrocities than another but there is a line of races.
by Cedric Ford
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Oct. 3, 2012, 10:33 a.m. CST
Johnny Depp isn't playing this completely straight...
by moonlightdrive
You can tell that from the photos that have been released so far. Unfortunately his body language and facial expressions in them are all too familiar but also comic and therefore not straight.
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Oct. 3, 2012, 10:33 a.m. CST
Is the Tonto reveal under the train supposed to be badass?
by Nerd Rage
Hahahahaha! Oh I forgot, he has a bird on his head. My argument is invalid.
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And I was willing to give Aliens vs. Predator the benefit of the doubt.
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Seriously, nothing about this movie says Lone Ranger- except for a crazy looking Indian and some poser in a mask walking around. I feel this movie will continue to point out how fuck'n lucky they got with the "The Curse of the Black Pearl" because everything else Jerry, Gore, and Johnny have done has been pretty lame.
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Oct. 3, 2012, 10:43 a.m. CST
They couldn't get a real Native American to play Tonto? Seriously?!
by MasterControlProgram
a) Johnny Depp does not have to play every role for Disney movies. b) An unknown Native American actor would be able to put his stamp on the role and gain an identity in Hollywood. c) It would have been much less expensive to have an unknown Native American actor. d) However... Armie Hammer is not quite the headliner that Johnny Depp is so you for marketing purposes you need someone to put asses in the seats...and Armie is not going to do it. e) I am waiting for the Native American outcry because Depp is playing the role...and that he is stereotyping the role in some way. ... at the same time, the Native Americans would probably complain if an actual Native American was place in the role. You may as well go with Johnny Depp and use the excuse that he is a known name and a good actor. Either way....I am still not going to see this. It reminds me too much of "Wild Wild West" with Will Smith....and that sucked. -- End of Line --
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Oct. 3, 2012, 10:45 a.m. CST
Next years Wild Wild West and would it have been impossible to hire a native american to play Tonto for fucks sake?!
by nephilim138
because depp's portrayal is already the most racist thing since charlie chan
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I love the club shots - and the focus on the train. Very steampunk (literally). Although the idea of a white actor playing a classic Native American stereotype is problematic in today's day and age. Then again, if it was an actual Native American actor, it might have been worse.
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my eloquence left me today! please forgive me!
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Would have made for a funny trailer emphasizing that this will be a fun adventure. This overly serious stuff is a real turn off.
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Oct. 3, 2012, 11 a.m. CST
Oh brilliant. Yet ANOTHER film with Helna Bonham Carter and Johnny fucking Depp. Who the fuck care for these cunts? The 90s are long gone
by Baron Von Penguin
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Oct. 3, 2012, 11:04 a.m. CST
the trailer fails to introduce who TLR is and why we should care about him.
by knowthyself
A movie titled THE LONE RANGER and ummm does he save people? Good guy? What's he do? Why should we care? This really is the John Carter problem all over again.
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Controls the Universe ! Bad rip-off from Dune's tagline
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Oct. 3, 2012, 11:12 a.m. CST
Verbinski & co have no rhythm for action. PoC swordfights had mediocre editing and no kinetic energy. Zorro films did this much better.
by Ali Kerim Bey
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Oct. 3, 2012, 11:13 a.m. CST
Um, guys? If you're an American writing right now, YOU'RE A NATIVE AMERICAN
by Monroville
I think after being born from multiple generations of other people having been born inside the country makes you pretty much a native too. I understand what the distinction is SUPPOSED to be and all, but being that most of you are liberal hippies who don't believe in God (which while I do, it's more of a OUTER LIMITS/FUTURAMA thing as opposed to Druidic/Christian/Islamic thing) "and" you make such a big deal about science and logic (which I am all for, up to the point of using science to justify things like national socialism and everything that comes with it)... well, there you go. If you're third generation American, you're a native. You might want to also keep in mind that pretty much every sub-group of homo sapiens has been above or below the boot at one point in time or another. NO ONE has a monopoly on pain and suffering.
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Oct. 3, 2012, 11:15 a.m. CST
What a slick trailer. Too bad nobody at Disney knows what a steam locomotive's whistle sounds like.
by Polyphenus
Considering that the swooping fly-through the tunnel and the voice over are used to reveal how central the steam locomotive is to this movie's plot, you'd think someone would have realized that the whistle that is heard is actually that of a diesel locomotive. Here's what it should sound like: http://youtu.be/EstLeFXgKkI
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Oct. 3, 2012, 11:17 a.m. CST
Say what you will about Depp and Carter but they bring their "A" game to each character.
by Cedric Ford
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sheer ambition of it....making a huge action Western (and it does look big in scale) and I like the Sergio Leone influences Im seeing.... Also, aI like that Depp went for a very different look for a native American rather than something cliched. But of course it remains to be seen that Depp isnt just being a native American Jack Sparrow.... However....based on Rango, Verbinski seesm to know how to get a good/different performance out of Depp as that character was nothing like Sparrow.... Also, after Rango...the best animated film I have seen in a while, I trust Verbinski with Westerns....after Rango I could see he gets and understands it as a genre.... So despite all the negativity about this film...im intriqued...
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Oct. 3, 2012, 11:19 a.m. CST
This movie needs to be played straight in order to work.
by Bubba Gillman
Almost to the point of being corny. And the Overture needs to be in the movie. At a point where, say, LR has to catch up to a train on Silver. Long, unedited shots of him riding across the plains to the Overture. As for Depp, I like him as much as the next guy, but he's wrong for Tonto. If they needed his name to sell the movie, why not have him play against type and be the villain? Finally, they should have used the recent comic as a template. Hi-oh to you all.
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the Western somewhat as they did pull off the impossible of ressurecting the pirate genre.....so I dont know why everyone keeps bringing up Wild Wild West.....that was years ago now.....did the bombing of Cutthroat island sink POTC?
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Western then may as well go for broke and go big.....so bring on all the big train action and the werewolves/indian mysticism I say...
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Oct. 3, 2012, 11:21 a.m. CST
Even so, can we get a youtube link for those who have trouble with Quicktime?
by Monroville
And didn't anyone learn their lesson when this was done back in 1981? Hell, when the star's name was "Klinton Spilsbury", that alone should have clued people in. Even so, THE LEGEND OF THE LONE RANGER is not that bad of a movie. Chris Lloyd plays a decent villain; the story is actually fairly intelligent; they actually use the William Tell Overture and THE MASK OF ZORRO ripped off it's plot (more or less). Klinton Spilsbury. Why do I keep thinking of biscuits when I see that name?
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Oct. 3, 2012, 11:21 a.m. CST
Ironically, IMO, Depp's best performance recently was his cameo in 21 Jump Street.
by openthepodbaydoorshal
And he was STILL in disguise. I think Depp has some Halloween fixation. Pirate, vampire, Indian.. But think...the last movie he played an average guy, The Tourist, sunk faster than the Titanic.
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it really says something when the title character is the least mentioned or even seen figure in the trailer. Are we going to go back to the the previous Batman films where the story is about the villian and/or sidekick rather than the hero?
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legend of the lone ranger on youtube...(the whole film is there for anyone interested)...and I agree...not that bad....and yes Loyd is quite good....the ambush scene/origin of the ranger was quite well done imho
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He's still looking after his retard brother which has prevented him from starting up a family of his own. All the other siblings have their families. Leo DiCaprio still brings the retard, but begins to show some type of talent or charm that will keep him from going full retard and straight for an academy nomination. Gilbert gets a letter from an old fling and discovers he may have a child out there after all. He then embarks on a raod trip with brother in tow to find out if the letter has any truth to it. Hilarity ensues.
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It's another over-the-top, frenetic, high body-count movie. Yeah, we sure need more of those. I guess the rule is - 'keep making what people stopped buying ten years ago'. And the Hollywood slide into declining ticket sales continues......
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i watched it on mute...john carter, wild wild west, wanted....i didn't even finish the trailer...next
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Oh, Laughable!
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That's not a compliment.
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I'm even less interested afterwards. Looks utterly forgettable.
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That's how I feel. It's only a teaser but nothing in that makes me want to see it. but yeah Eh pretty much sums it up.
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im in total agreement with u.....Verbinski is actually damn good at action.....and he gets great performances out of his actors.....Sorry..but Rango was great...
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Rango was GREAT! LOTS of wonderful western homages for film geeks to find!
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I remember that was said clear back during "21 Jump Street" that he had Native American, Cherokee & some other nation (Wikipedia indicates Cree). Though I agree it will be interesting to see if he can do 'serious' work again, despite the costume of his version of Tonto.
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but his direction is pretty boring and middle of the road. I really liked Pirates 1 but man those films dragged and got tired FAST! Quite frankly it's a boring concept to make this movie and they gave it to a boring director that's made them lots and lots of money! So I can hate, but I can also understand why!
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Although you already know the tropes... Bruckheimer production. Gore Directing. Disney logos in the background Tonto as Jack Sparrow Lone Ranger as Will Turner Hans Zimmer Synth Score Rinse repeat... Same old shit, really. Minus the inclusion of Carter...Wow really? You're gonna go there? Depp and Carter in the same movie again?
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Oct. 3, 2012, 11:47 a.m. CST
Saw trailer, saw Dark Shadows was released on DVD and thought one thing:
by Gutshot Clown
Depp has made a lot of shitty movies lately. *sniff*
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Seems like Jack Sparrow has poisoned his brain. Too much rum I suppose.
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I think Verbinski has shown that he is capable of creating a great Western vibe and can handle very elaborate action sequences quite well ... and Depp has had a couple of down to earth roles like The Tourist (not saying I liked that one). Oh, and he played a Western Chameleon, too, that had some great character moments. Some of the talkbackers here should do some research before whining and complaining.
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Rango....its impossible to watch it and not see that Verbinski seriously "gets" the genre.....and thats why im looking forward to this.....I want a big ambitious modern Western....why the fuck not?....we dont get too many of those these days...just because WWW and aliens cowboys sucked doesnt mean this will....
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Oct. 3, 2012, 11:52 a.m. CST
One train to rule them all. TLR is The Lone Ranger, not The Lord of the Rings.
by kindofabigdeal
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Da Da Dum .... Da Da Dum Dum Dum. ....
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Oct. 3, 2012, 11:55 a.m. CST
spacehog: Its called a "coupler". Train Buff at your service. Anyway....
by whatevillurks
Doesnt look like its going to be another Wild Wild West or Jonah Hex.
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kLoVSAcz7M8
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Oct. 3, 2012, 11:59 a.m. CST
I wonder how Depp squares his liberal ideals with stealing minority acting roles... well he's probably not stealing them because hollywood wouldn't hire an actual native american to play tonto... i think we can stop bitching about hollywood rehashing shit
by HarrysNemesis
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So Wilkinson is going to be another take on Noah Cross from Verbinski's favorite movie CHINATOWN. Well I say to Verbinski ... if you love CHINATOWN that much, why not try something that classy, rather than wasting your talents on movies about men wearing masks.
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Also my amazing clairvoyant powers are telling me Tom Wilkinson will get punched on top of a train car in this film. And this one's a bit hazy, but I'm pretty sure there will be an improbably large explosion at some point in the third act. You heard it here first!
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Oct. 3, 2012, 12:22 p.m. CST
good luck recouping your 200-300 million budget with THAT
by WINONA_RYDERS_PUSSY_JUICE
cocaine's a helluva drug
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Here's the funny thing: try to call any of the latins here in Miami indian and see what happens. They hate it. ha ha
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I kept waiting for the cast of the TV show to just walk into frame.
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...Sorry.
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Oct. 3, 2012, 12:53 p.m. CST
d.vader - "Love all these armchair ad execs in this talkback"
by Talkbacker with no name
Just what I was thinking. You are one of the few fuckers I actually like here with any brains.
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You are a true nerdy geek. The rest of us are mere pretenders. Your post made me proper laugh, man.
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Oct. 3, 2012, 1 p.m. CST
WTF, Kidd!?! He playsmit EXACTLY like Jack Sparrow! EXACTLY! Its like, Carribean with Cowboys
by MariusXe
The way he hangs under that train and looks back... Thats one hunnert percent Jack Sparrow and I hate it.
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the more I see Depp, the more I want to blow him Deal with it, kids
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hoped they were gonna go the tonto on peyote firewalk with lone ranger being white spirit guide to teach tonto how to deal with oncoming white man. -and werewolves.
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WTF fooking Commando had more pirates than in the titles of POTC! Gore knows fuck all about pirates and the only saving grace of the 1st one was Depp. Hopefully he'll actually have cowboys in this and not just make it another Deppfest! Nothing against Depp, he's a good actor but i'm sick of him being lazy and just doing either a Burton film or trying to get a franchise. So I hope Gore watched some classic westerns in order to get inspiration since he obviously didnt watch any classic pirate flicks like Captain Blood or The Crimson Pirate when he made POTC, he more than likely watched a ton of Tim "Shite" Burton movies and Dirty Dancing when he made those!
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. . . I'm just giving props to everyone hailing Rango as an awesome flick. I absolutely love it!!!
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Him playing a Native American is about as racist as Robert Downey Jr. playing a black guy on Tropic Thunder. Yikes.
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I feel like I should clarify that I realize Tropic Thunder is a comedy. However, where they did the RD JR in black face thing as comedy, this is meant to be serious. Hence, yikes.
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Oct. 3, 2012, 1:35 p.m. CST
Gore Verbinski resurrected the pirate genre? How so? What other pirate movies were there in the last decade at the multiplexes?
by Stereotypical Evil Archer
Someone name a damn good pirate movie from the last ten years that isn't from the Disney brand.
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Oct. 3, 2012, 1:38 p.m. CST
Actually RDJ was playing a white actor who was playing a black character.
by Jack Black
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Oct. 3, 2012, 1:41 p.m. CST
Was it racist when Depp was playing an indian in Dead Man?
by Jack Black
why is suddenly racist when he is doing the same thing here? because it is not a cheap indie movie but a big budget studio film? i don't get it.
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Depp's Tonto, with what little we see of him, looks embarrassing. "white man in red face" is written all over it, especially the stilted english of the character. How badass could it have really been with appropriate, effective casting instead of STUNT casting. Love Johnny Depp but he's been terribly miscast.....again.
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The Brave was produced and directed by Depp who seems to honor his partial native heritage. But now he is a racist?
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mostly because of the William Tell Overture http://www.videodetective.com/movies/the-legend-of-the-lone-ranger/560432
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LR trailer is meh.
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Oct. 3, 2012, 2:17 p.m. CST
Lone Ranger: Tonto, did you see the Doctor about the rattlesnake that bit my dick . . .?
by elmo
. . . Did he tell you to suck the venom out? Tonto: No, Kemosabe, he told me to tell you you're going to die. Heard this sequence won't be in the film, but may appear as a deleted scene on the blu-ray
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Oct. 3, 2012, 2:34 p.m. CST
The most famous gunfight in American History, the OK Corral
by Raptor Jesus
How many people died? Three. How many people died in this trailer? 30? 40? 50? Hollywood, if you want people to BUY TICKETS AGAIN you need to get over this DEATH FETISH. Christ I am sick of this over the top violence.
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Even though he's not, Depp still looks like he's mugging to camera when he's under the couplings.
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Are you saying you think a white dude, wearing war paint and a bird hat, is honoring Native American heritage?
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Didn't see that coming, visually or tonally. I like it but I'm not sure I think of it as the Lone Ranger. My guess is they have taken an "in name only" approach since most of the audience will likely never have watched the old show, but everyone knows about the Lone Ranger.
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I love westerns but fuck this and fuck the Burton freak show.
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have you seen it?
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Oct. 3, 2012, 3:04 p.m. CST
Oh! I get it, it's "Big Thunder Mountain Railroad: The Movie"
by animatronicmojo
Whee. Looks about as exciting as that last Three Musketeers re-tread.
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like they did Jim West in Wild Wild West
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Oct. 3, 2012, 3:16 p.m. CST
@thot: J depp is part cherokee - how is that stunt casting - EOM
by qwsdqwedq sdbcjhdwiuvdh
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If so, I'd actually prefer Gore Verbinski come back and direct it, making it the final movie in that series. I'd also rather have a 40-50 million dollar budget Ring 3 than a bloated 250 million dollar budget Lone Ranger movie. Oh who am I kidding, Ring 3D will be some ultra-low-budget shit from some studio committee mandated order. Actually, it will probably be a found footage film that tries to copy the success of Paranormal Activity.
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How about that Aardman animated pirate movie, "The Pirates! Band of Misfits"?
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spacehog -- so because Depp is now famous for a character in a quartet of films, he should just stop acting, by your estimation? He's too known for that character to continue onward in his career? Does that include indie films too, will he poison those narratives with his newfound movie-star presence? This kind of logic tans my hide (i.e. "pisses me the fuck off" but I'm trying to keep to the film's genre). I remember when everyone jumped all over Russell Crowe for playing an everyman husband in "The Next Three Days", a not-bad film about compassion and faith and loyalty. This tunnel-vision regarding actors is EXACTLY what keeps movies boring -- Bruce can only play a badass, Clooney should only play debonair, Pitt should only play dangerous-handsome, Julia should only play bitch... it's YOU guys hemming actors into the very stereotypes we should be deploring. Granted, this is a high-budget film and should not be compared to smaller, grottier, riskier faire where acting can prove diversified, but to say an actor has worn out his welcome based on one famous role, is tunnel-vision magnified. Get some glasses for your myopia and please refrain from becoming a casting agent. As for Gore, while I slept thru the last 2 of his POTC movies, the guy has character chops, like Weather Man and Rango, he's a true talent when not allowing himself to be wrangled into sequelitis; I'm bummed he'll never get to make his Bioshock film, that a visual delicacy that could've been... And say what you will about his slavish love for "Chinatown" -- would you rather him be ripping off something sub-par in every way? As Coppola has said time and time again, "Steal from us, because we also stole from the best." And if you can do that and still personalize it so your work doesn't become an inbred xerox-of-a-xerox, then maybe audiences will slowly get re-introduced to some long-abandoned, challenging themes from the golden era 70s, instead of the current pablum retreading the same tired tales of "redemption" and good vs. evil, when mature films were made for adults, and kiddie films were made for children. We've been so infantilized by children's thematics that we wouldn't recognize a darker theme if it slapped us upside the head.
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Oct. 3, 2012, 4:13 p.m. CST
Rumourd, you know a lot about movies and I agree with everything you said
by ajit maholtra
Now you are my good buddy.
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love that flick. Clearly, Depp's character, after going through his Native American initiation (and I only use that term because I can't remember what tribes were in the film), has resurrected and is now Tonto.
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Congratulations, you just shot down pretty much every comic book movie made recently. Not that they don't bear criticism, mind you, but I'm glad Christopher Nolan didn't have you along as a consultant. Now if you were just being ironic, then I applaud you...
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Oct. 3, 2012, 4:40 p.m. CST
My Lone Ranger material was better..I hope this leaves a big hole in disney's pocket like John Carter did...for capitalizing off my inspirations
by seansarto
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Oct. 3, 2012, 4:55 p.m. CST
At the very beginning of that trailer, they show a mountain that looks like a lady's private parts
by ajit maholtra
Then the camera goes to the bottom of the mountain and enters the ladies private parts, and inside, there is a train going through a tunnel! The train represents a man's pennis! Heheheheheheheheheheheheheheheheh. That is a funny one.
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Oct. 3, 2012, 5:02 p.m. CST
rumourd, I don't think he needs to stop acting, or even only act in certain roles.
by spacehog
There's a lot of backlash about him taking THIS particular role, I think you'll agree. I'm just commenting that I think his recent roles are a large factor in WHY people are upset about him taking this part. It's because they think he's going to do another Jack Sparrow-type thing, and the (TO THE AVERAGE PERSON) ridiculous getup is probably also working against him. We know it's an accurate representation of what this particular Native American might wear, but to most people it's just LOL THERE'S A BIRD ON HIS HEAD WTF LOL. Yeah? I've got nothing against the guy, I have no objection to him taking the role. I'm just saying people have short memories and right now, Johnny Depp = Jack Sparrow and so they're expecting him to be goofy in this as well, and that's part of why people are upset at his casting. I'm probably saying the same thing over and over; sorry. Basically I was trying to point out one aspect of why the nebulous ''general audience'' might be upset about him playing the role; I never said (and don't agree) that he shouldn't play it.
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I like Johnny Depp, but not everything he's done on film. Caught Dark Shadows on Vudu this week and I didn't care for it. It was like 3 different movies all looking for a point. Could have been amazing but was instead irritating. Part of that was clearly Depp. Tonally weird from start to finish. Since I am a big fan of The Lone Ranger, especially the Clayton Moore / Jay Silverheels version, I'm not convinced from this trailer that this movie is anything other than "let's put Johnny in a weird outfit in some weird setting, and have him talk and act weird" once again.
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Did they work in a Klinton Spilsbury cameo.
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Let me start this with one of the top-ten most cliched lines in movie history: "So let me get this straight": This teaser trailer just came out so explain to me how exactly you have the bead on what the average person or general audience is expecting? You're just assuming, right? You're taking your own estimations and you're blowing them up to somehow encapsulate the world-at-large to fit into your own preconceived notions, yes? I highly doubt the laymen/women out 'there' care at all about this movie until they're actually in the theatre seeing said trailer; they have more important things to do with their day, so how do you know what their opinion of a character wearing a bird-thingy on their head is? As for people upset at his casting, I'm sorry, but this is, as I said above, so myopic and self-absorbed that I have to balk at you overripe AICN guys... you seem to think the public at large IS you, and it ain't. No one out on the street is disturbed by this information; I don't see Newsweek and Time detailing this effrontery, I don't see little bits of protest on the internet... Again, it's you guys complaining, believing you're the average man/woman/child writ large. That is its own brand of selfish and it's a real turnoff.
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Oct. 3, 2012, 6:03 p.m. CST
After Rango, Gore has my trust in being able to do a western epic.
by Randy
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Say what you will about him, but I would take his over track record any day of the week. If anyone can make it work, it's him. His productions have a look and feel that you can tell from the opening credits. I happen to appreciate it. Even if it's a middling success here in the U.S., it will make money overseas. And yes every third rate movie critic (I'm looking at you, Rex Reed) will try to negativley compare it to the Pirates films.
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I will say what I will about him, and it's this: He is only as good as his director. The dude's hired Robert Towne for chrissake and that didn't guarantee any sort of rippling quality to the final product. If your only touchstone is making money, then you should be a producer (sounds to me like that's your goal, nothing wrong with it, stick to what interests you)... but the only time the guy's shown any taste, it usually evolved from his director (Black Hawk Down, POTC 1), but let's face it, for the most part, it's Michael Bay/Simon West/Turteltaub/CSI dreck. I realize I've left some examples of good and bad behind, I'm not about to go research this fully, but the guy's movies are what is terrible about the industry in terms of innovation in storytelling. It's the de rigeur stunts-n-CGI miasma that should be decried on a fansite like this. As a now-very-wise old man-once-woman said, "If money is all that you love, then that's what you'll receive."
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I just think that the business end of the equation gets overlooked around here. It takes a lot of asses in the seats to recoup from the John Carters of the world, even counting the BO of The Avengers. Disney stock owners gotta eat.
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At first I was going to agree with your header because I though it said "Bruckheimer, cunt". Oh well, one can hope. The business end gets overlooked around here? Where have YOU been? That's half the discussions on these board -- boxoffice this, bloated budgets that -- and frankly, the more it's discussed, the more we ally ally ourselves with Entertainment Tonight instead of with Cahiers du Cinema. It's bad enough we've got Wall St assholes impacting our daily lives, now we have to confront it in our movie-loving strata? Please. Refrain. Let's contemplate the art. The money will sort itself out on its own. Besides, who gives a good goddamn whether Bruckheimer fills the coffers, you should be exhorting the diamonds of the indie field, THEY need the help.
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Oct. 3, 2012, 7:40 p.m. CST
Not convinced. I might watch it on netflix on a rainy sunday though.
by Hardboiled Wonderland
Disney should just reboot Condorman and be done with it.
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preferably in mono. Just sounds more badass
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How can they not include the iconic William Tell Overture?
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Like Mission:Impossible without it's theme. It's iconic. No dialog, just quick cuts with the theme played & I would have been sold. I smell another John Carter
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Oct. 3, 2012, 8:02 p.m. CST
mastercontrolprogram - I asked the same thing, but Depp IS part Native American
by wcolbert
I too would prefer that they gave an unknown native actor a shot at the big game in hollywood - god knows there aren't any out there who are well known and full blooded... but then again, once you start playing the % game with bloodlines, you are getting into dangerous territory. For one thing, you really CANT tell what someone is just by looking at them aside from the very general. And it is downright insulting and racist to say that someone "doesn't count" as this or that ethnicity simply because they aren't full or half blooded. Yet, people can only see people for what they LOOK like, as opposed to what they ARE. I have the same % Native blood in my family as Depp does - maybe slightly more - a full blooded great grandfather - so it's a ways back - but it IS part of who you are. I was born in America...but culturally my family has always been much more like our Eastern European side and never identified ourself as Americans by culture. we also never identified ourselves as just "white" because we're NOT. We have native blood, we even have mongolian blood - we're mutts. Even if we don't look it. So on one hand, I agree that an unknown would have been better suited (somewhere out there there's a potentially talented actor on one of the reservations, living hand to mouth, when he could be starring in this picture)....but we also can't say "nuh uh, you don't count, you're only 1/8th" or some such crap. That's the kind of game Hitler played. Your ethnicity doesn't "go away" just because its been a few generations. in fact, I look more like my Estonian great grandfather than my own parents, by far - genetics are a funny thing. At any rate....I suppose they felt they needed a BANKABLE name, but I bet you if Mel Gibson had directed this he'd have gotten some great native actors we'd never even heard of. Say what you will about him...Apocalypto was amazing.
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who also happened to play in a small movie called Avatar.
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You're being unrealistic. Wes Studi is a grandfather now. And it's all moot anyway, I'm sorry, they're not going to bank a $200 million film on an unknown, it's not going to happen, so quit being a salmon about it. Let it go. The only filmmaker willing to make such a potentially pricy call like that is Steven Spielberg and even HE casts only major film actors/stars nowadays.
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native indians actors who are well known and full blooded. Ofc Wes can't play Tonto, he is too old for that.
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Oct. 3, 2012, 8:35 p.m. CST
Can't wait for the tv series of the comic Scalped, when it will eventually happen.
by Jack Black
i am curious to see how the suits will handle the casting in that project.
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Oct. 3, 2012, 8:56 p.m. CST
Plus Studi was playing a CGI character so we never actually see him
by wcolbert
meh. We all know they'd never risk a movie of this b udget on the back of an unknown. Hollywood has NO spine these days.
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which had to do with his people too,in real life.
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Oct. 3, 2012, 9:33 p.m. CST
The only decent "Western" I've seen recently was Blueberry/Renegade, based on the Moebius comic
by Hardboiled Wonderland
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Some of the train closeup sequences are being filmed in the parking lot of the Santa Anita Racetrack in Arcadia (Calif). I know this because I live 10 minutes away. A blue screen the size of a warehouse wall, and an elevated length of track with a single train car on it. Just can't figure out why they'd film that there instead of the back lots that the studio must have available to itself (though admittedly, said parking lot is HUGE).
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I am not excited for this yet.
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Oct. 4, 2012, 12:23 a.m. CST
@dawhiteguy, forgot about Proposition... but that's Outback, my friend.
by Hardboiled Wonderland
It's like calling Quigley Down Under a Western. ;-)
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Up until Bonham Carter appeared this looked like a classy, serious western.
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Oct. 4, 2012, 4:02 a.m. CST
I was bored shutless by the 1st POTC and haven't returned to that universe since and I hate westerns so...pass.
by Sean
$200 mil to make a fucking western? Then what the fuck was Hawks, Peckinpah and Leone with their time? Scratching their motherfucking arses? Such unecessary excess. Makes me so fucking mad.
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The train, must roll!
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That's reductive thinking. So only certain genres are allowed big budgets now? Last time I checked, westerns were period pieces, and period pieces are known to be expensive, especially with big set pieces in them. I'd love to see a big budget version of The Alienist but Sherlock Holmes kinda kiboshed that... I'd love to see Scorcese get to do his big Roman Spectacle... I'd love to see a pricy multigenerational epic about family... or an expensive take on sexuality. But no, according to the clown above, only 'certain types' of films should be deserve money, namely the ones where, in the trailer, major cities fall, there's that regular motion-sped up motion-back to regular motion ramping effect, with big bombastic (read: obnoxious overused) music cues. Ya hate westerns, eh? Maybe you should stop yourself preemptively from posting on a Lone Ranger feed and save us all your poo-pooing. What, did you think we were all gonna gather 'round you and pat you on the back and say "good show, good show"? Peckinpah and Leone and Haws and Ford made their marks, and they were great. They'd probably be the first to say, Stop living and griping your way back to the past, move on.
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Oh and, thanks for informing us of your moviegoing schedule next year, we'll all keep track of what you're not attending and go that night. Nice name, btw. So clever I forgot to remember to remember it.
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Oct. 4, 2012, 5:22 a.m. CST
pure white hat, tonto saying "kemosabe" depp insisting on wearing a crow on his head
by walt
depp playing an indian, when there are many real american indian actors you guys can have this...ill pass this isnt the 50s
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has never been laid in his life, hence his unnecessary aggression as a teaser, this looks generic and uninspiring. i will reserve judgement until an actual trailer and decide if it floats my boat. cheers!
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I'm looking forward to it. I love Westerns even the modernized take on them. And it doesn't look like Wild Wild West so what's the complaint?
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Oct. 4, 2012, 9:28 a.m. CST
Finally, I have been mocked and criticised on an AICN. Life is complete. Let us focus on the subject at hand, not personal bullshit. Not interest. Stay with the movies.
by Sean
And my bigger point comes with the general excess of movies of ANY genre costing 200mil...let alone a "fucking western". Any of us that are filmmakers or are aspiring to be would month doubt love to have massive resources at our disposal to make our projects but for fuck's sake, as pointed out before, the likes of Chronicle was made for 50 mil or under. Like many other great films too. The Raid also...low budget, looks like it was made for millions more. Robert Rodriguez kickstarted his career years ago with a $7000 budget. Life isn't always made easier by throwing money at it and the more you see about the state of how the world is going...these overblown budgets are pretty fucking disgusting. Tell me what a western like this needs 200 mil for that can't be done for 50-70 mil, besides possible CG werewolves and Depp's ridiculous salary? Enlighten me on this justification. Oh and I didn't know that there seems to be a criteria to like westerns to comment on this talkback. I suppose I should go over to the Twilight page and tell the 98% there to get the fuck out.
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How about getting an actor with real charisma and a proven track record? Karl Urban would have been a badass Lone Ranger but he gets no love. And yes, Dredd rocked. Instead, we get this tool who will probably channel his douchebag Winklevoss routine in this film, too. Please don't let him be Batman in the JLA film. And Pirates of the Caribbean... First one was cool ONE time. The others are entirely unwatchable.
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Just based on the teaser, I'd say throwing a train sideways across the ground costs a considerable amount of money. You may play-act like a moneyman, but when you see the Pirates movies, you see every bit of budget there on the screen. Its been that way for all 3 of Verbinski's movies. I have no doubt we'll see the same thing with the Lone Ranger's finished product.
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Really, I think you'd be better served by getting upset over something more constructive, something that *directly* affects *you* or other human beings. Getting mad over a high-budget Lone Ranger movie is so damn silly.
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I said that the mountain at the beginning of the trailer looks like a lady's private parts, and then the camera goes inside the hole of the mountain and finds a train going through a tunnel, and the train represents a man's pennis! Heheheheheheheheheh.
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Yes, yes we read. It's a North by Northwest allusion.
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There's no criteria, having to like westerns and all that. But what did you hope to gain? You brought up Twilight, which I can't stand -- but what would I hope to gain by going into that forum and pissing on it? So the peeps in that world know that I don't like films of that ilk? Seems pretty unnecessarily destructive to me... As for big budgets, you seem like you've already made up your mind that this film, a western in particular, doesn't deserve a large budget, without having read the material. And since you've established yourself as a filmmaker, and seem either angry or distrustful of wastefulness (I don't begrudge you that), how can you possibly judge something without intimately knowing the elements involved? Is Avatar II/III worthy? Not in my book -- but then I've seen the first one and personally I don't care for that story to be evolved. Die Hard 5? I've seen how that character is playing out and it's not good. "Lone Ranger"? Other than an 80s movie and a TV show, I don't have any prerequisites established yet, so... I dunno. Thank god Nolan is getting big budgets, thank god Bond is getting big budgets, because they it's all up on the screen in an intelligent fashion. We need occasional blockbusters. Don't get me wrong, I'm happy when Battleship falls on its ass, it deserves it -- but my point is, IT DESERVES IT. I don't know yet if "Lone Ranger" deserves it. cm_sonnen: Ah, the old 'he can't get laid' insult. Never heard that one before. Clever. Must go over big in those script meetings with Wynorski.
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...but then again, I'm just not into westerns. This one isn't even on my radar.
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Were you upset when Streep played people from Australia or Germany. Maybe you thought Dustin Hoffman robbed a true autistic savant of a once in a lifetime role? It's acting
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