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More BABYLON 5 On The Way?? Is There The Possibility Of Hope??

Merrick here...
Tazzzer sent in a quick message regarding his intriguing exchange with BABYLON 5 overlord J. Michael Straczynski (aka JMS) on Straczynski's Facebook Fan Page. To summarize briefly, Tazzer asked JMS if we'd really, truly seen the last of BABYLON 5 either on TV or in theaters. JMS' reply, simply, was…
Ask me again after next April.
Certainly not much to go on, and fully illustrative of JMS' often cryptic communication. Still, this does seem to suggest that some type of B5 project may be in the wind. This wouldn't be altogether surprising given previous indications that more BABYLON 5 projects were feasible - and/or being bandied about. But, to date, JMS has been reticent to jump in. He's even been negatively pre-disposed towards taking 'em on, citing budgetary considerations (i.e. no more cut-rate, low-budget DVDs) and creative control concerns (more details HERE). But, in Hollywood, never say never. Perhaps such issues are now being worked through? Hope they find a way to squeeze Boxleitner into it (YES, I know that would be difficult/improbable given the layout of the series, but he's so good, so underappreciated, and it's so awesome to see him back on screens for TRON LEGACY…)
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  • Nov. 29, 2010, 12:33 p.m. CST


    by benni_diez

  • Nov. 29, 2010, 12:34 p.m. CST

    Still no Kersh Obit?

    by vadakinX

    Any word on this Merrick? Is Harry even aware of his passing?

  • Nov. 29, 2010, 12:36 p.m. CST

    loved the first few seasons

    by benni_diez

    it was one of the first shows (next to seaquest) to make heavy use of computer graphics. truly inspiring! it wore a bit off after a few years though.

  • Nov. 29, 2010, 12:37 p.m. CST

    It's a thing of the past

    by BoRock_A_Boomer

    Let it die

  • Nov. 29, 2010, 12:37 p.m. CST

    Congrats benni_diez

    by fpuk99

    And not for the 'first', lol!

  • Nov. 29, 2010, 12:38 p.m. CST

    Babylon 5: Where no Amiga Video Toaster has gone...

    by Royston Lodge


  • Nov. 29, 2010, 12:41 p.m. CST


    by roguechef664

    Where the hell is the news on the Lensman adaptation??

  • Nov. 29, 2010, 12:43 p.m. CST

    If it returns, expect a comic or novel.

    by NinjaRap

    I highly doubt anything else.

  • Nov. 29, 2010, 12:44 p.m. CST

    Who's asking for this, really?

    by TommyGavinsEgo

    A hundred and one great genre shows bit the dust way too early. *cough*Firefly*cough* ... B5 had a decent run, all this considered. Why keep digging it up? Was it really such a huge deal?

  • Nov. 29, 2010, 12:44 p.m. CST

    Hmm.. reboot?

    by FracturedLojak

    I wonder if B5 is a candidate for a reboot now.. it has been 10 years right? Sure.. Seriously, I'd only be interested if JMS was properly involved.

  • Nov. 29, 2010, 12:46 p.m. CST

    Wow Babylon 5. Seems like another life ago.

    by Planty_McPlant_Plants_His_Plant_At_AICN

    First Buffy is brought back from the dead, now Babylon 5. Farscape can't be far behind. Everything is coming back because God forbid a good spec will be given a chance in today's ultra cautious Hollywood.

  • Nov. 29, 2010, 12:48 p.m. CST

    Do we really want more Babylon 5?

    by RedEgiraahgnal

    The last few TV movies sucked so hard, that I feel ashamed to admit that I liked the series back then.

  • Nov. 29, 2010, 12:50 p.m. CST

    More B5 could be good

    by McBegbie

    I'd like to see more B5, as long as we don't end up with anything like Legend of the Rangers. I'd rather gouge my eyes out with a lemon soaked, salt encrusted wooden spoon that watch anything like that again

  • Nov. 29, 2010, 12:51 p.m. CST

    I'd love a sequel television series

    by Cartagia

    JMS obviously still has tons of ideas, and the universe lends itself to that so well. It just has to been properly promoted and on the right channel. I don't think an animated series would be the wrong way to go.

  • Nov. 29, 2010, 12:51 p.m. CST

    And the lack of Kersh obit is shocking.

    by TommyGavinsEgo

    I mean, we all know Harry will be choked up with completely out-of-proportion grief. It's saddening news of course, but hardly a shock, and we can expect the usual stream-of-conscious over-emotional grammatical scatterbomb that will be Harry's eventual posting. <p> <p> But STILL... not ONE contributor to this site can mark the passing of the man who made, quite possibly, the most unanimously beloved entry in the most important geek phenomenon of all time? Just a paragraph guys, seriously. We appreciate Harry, Quint, Capone, whoever may well be working away on suitably in-depth tributes, but just mark it. Every other website has.

  • Nov. 29, 2010, 12:53 p.m. CST

    R.I.P Irvin Kershner

    by HelmetBoy

    He's probably the man most responsible for me being a single, misunderstood geek.

  • Nov. 29, 2010, 12:53 p.m. CST

    Yep. A Reboot. Star Trek made money.

    by David Cloverfield

    Flawless suit logic. Although the Shadow War on the big screen could be pretty sweet. If we can't get something original, since they'll only give money for projects with name recognition, this could do. Or you know, JMS is about to write a comic, in which case STOP THE PRESSES.

  • Nov. 29, 2010, 12:56 p.m. CST

    Just bring back Farscape and be done with it.

    by AshokForgiven

    I mean, B5 was cool like 15 years ago but its ship has sailed. Bring back Farscape, please!!!

  • Nov. 29, 2010, 12:59 p.m. CST

    Farscape passed me by.

    by TommyGavinsEgo

    "The Peacekeeper Wars" gets shown a lot on UK TV, but I just can't get past the Muppetry to be honest. I'm sure I'm missing out on something. But aesthetically it reminds me a lot of that batshit-nuts "Lexx: The Dark Zone" that used to pop up on some channel in the middle of the night. <p> <p>

  • Nov. 29, 2010, 1 p.m. CST

    JMS was just lucky

    by KoolerThanJesus

    JMS just got lucky with Babylon seasons 1-4. Everything that came after season 4 has sucked hard. He's turning into Lucas trying to milk his one good idea for more money.

  • Nov. 29, 2010, 1:01 p.m. CST

    Where's the Kershner news?

    by Carolinamaestro

  • Nov. 29, 2010, 1:02 p.m. CST

    B5?!? B5!!!?? B!? 5!? babylon five?.?

    by L.H.Puttgrass

    You do know that The Kersh is presently at room temperature? <p> Do you? Hmmm? <p> B5? How about Episode V?

  • Nov. 29, 2010, 1:02 p.m. CST

    Can't someone reboot Buck Rogers?

    by TommyGavinsEgo

    Give us an updated, rock 'n' roll, fun, space-battle series. We've had grim-and-gritty Galactica, mythology-heavy B5, ongoing labyrinthine Lost mysteries... <p> <p> I for one would be all in for a romping space-adventure show with star pirates, sidekicks, a hot Princess Ardala, swashbuckling shenanigans... <p> <p> ... and I don't care who they'd cast. Just mo-cap and CGI-i-fy Erin Gray as Wilma Deering in that jumpsuit. By far the horniest fox who ever flow the cosmos. Good lord. THAT'S the kinda thing mo-cap was invented for.

  • Nov. 29, 2010, 1:05 p.m. CST


    by Katet19


  • Nov. 29, 2010, 1:05 p.m. CST

    B5 was just a rip off of star trek deep space 9

    by Redhead_Redemption


  • Nov. 29, 2010, 1:05 p.m. CST

    Since Andreas Katsulas is dead

    by Grammaton Cleric Binks

    And they had the falling out with Claudia Christian I don't see how it will be any good with a big chunk of its cast not in the picture. Oh, and Richard Biggs is dead too.

  • Nov. 29, 2010, 1:06 p.m. CST

    better yet

    by benni_diez

    Ice Pirates the series!!

  • Nov. 29, 2010, 1:07 p.m. CST

    Cept that B5 was written a full year

    by Cartagia

    before DS9, and I LOVE DS9.

  • Nov. 29, 2010, 1:07 p.m. CST


    by TommyGavinsEgo

    .... You, sir, are a genius.

  • Nov. 29, 2010, 1:07 p.m. CST

    R.I.P. Irvin

    by theycallmemrtibbs

    Although It was George's creation YOU made Star Wars legendary.

  • Nov. 29, 2010, 1:07 p.m. CST

    R.I.P. Irvin

    by theycallmemrtibbs

    Although It was George's creation YOU made Star Wars legendary.

  • Nov. 29, 2010, 1:08 p.m. CST

    B5 is dead, please let it RIP

    by ATARI

    With two of the main character actors dead for real, what is the point?

  • Nov. 29, 2010, 1:08 p.m. CST

    ... and it's pretty much an open secret....

    by TommyGavinsEgo

    ... that Paramount thieved a lot of DS9 from the B5 proposal JMS had submitted long beforehand.

  • Nov. 29, 2010, 1:09 p.m. CST

    Ice Pirates couldn't be worse than Spaceballs: The Series.

    by Royston Lodge

    Gawd, that show sucked.

  • Nov. 29, 2010, 1:11 p.m. CST

    i'd love to get into it but it seems so lame and cheap.

    by JAMF

    maybe someday i'll be able to get past the first few eps without giving up.

  • Nov. 29, 2010, 1:12 p.m. CST

    Harry's not mentioned Kersh on his Twitter....

    by TommyGavinsEgo

    ... or even Leslie Nielsen as far as I could tell with a quick glance. He's probably still sleeping off Thanksgiving?

  • Nov. 29, 2010, 1:12 p.m. CST

    B5, a show that actually needs a reboot

    by Duck of Death

    A great show, but let's face it, it's pretty dated, the effects are lame, and JMS had to compromise his 5 year arc because of cancellation fears. Reboot it with a multi-year commitment and an adequate budget.

  • Nov. 29, 2010, 1:14 p.m. CST


    by phifty2

    Every geek is aware of his passing. Harry is busy writing up a four page diatribe on what Kershner meant to him, how he met him a bunch of times, the quiet dinner's they shared, etc.

  • Nov. 29, 2010, 1:16 p.m. CST

    Is it a reboot?

    by Nautilus_nrm1

    Or a re-imagining like Battlestar Galactica.

  • Nov. 29, 2010, 1:16 p.m. CST

    unparanoid_android: What, no Firefly love?

    by Royston Lodge

  • Nov. 29, 2010, 1:17 p.m. CST

    JMS's "Star Trek reboot" proposal was interesting.

    by TommyGavinsEgo

    It's out there somewhere - Google "Star Trek: Reboot the Universe". <p> <p> Paramount "weren't interested" apparently - this may have been post-Nemesis when Trek was dying on the slab. Several years later JJ got the gig. Similar to when he proposed B5 to them, they passed, and a few years later DS9 showed up. Hmmmmm.

  • Nov. 29, 2010, 1:17 p.m. CST

    can't we have a serenity sequel instead?

    by matchesmalone2380

    It's a lot fresher then babylon 5.

  • Nov. 29, 2010, 1:18 p.m. CST

    I got it!

    by Nautilus_nrm1

    Babylon 5: The Next Generation.

  • Nov. 29, 2010, 1:19 p.m. CST


    by maxwell's hammer

    You guys do realize that AICN usually takes its time and puts together generally well thought out memorials when the great one's pass on.<BR> <BR> If you'd prefer a big headline like the major news sites ("STAR WARS DIRECTOR DIES") and an empty and succinct summary of his career, then go to Yahoo News.<BR> <BR> I for one prefer the far more sincere and genuinly reflective looks back that AICN frequently provide. Even if they are a few hours behind on the actual reporting.

  • Nov. 29, 2010, 1:19 p.m. CST

    Babylon 5, Audience 0

    by StatelyWayneManor

    That said, Tracy Scoggins could use the work.

  • Nov. 29, 2010, 1:21 p.m. CST

    Why the Boxleitner hate?

    by Nautilus_nrm1

    He did some other descent movies as well. Remember Kuffs!

  • Nov. 29, 2010, 1:21 p.m. CST

    A BABYLON 5 five-movie reboot saga would be great...

    by SpyGuy

    ...which is why it will probably never happen. Still, I would gladly sacrifice all of you if JMS gets to film the events depicted in the "Legions of Fire" novels by Peter David resolving the Drakh and David Sheridan storyline.

  • Nov. 29, 2010, 1:22 p.m. CST

    The Lost Tales at TJMaxx for 5.00......

    by rben

    That's funny because i just picked that up there cause i needed a pair of earmuffs. Weird how things dovetail. i also have the complete series for a couple years now and have yet to put it in my player. Guess it's time. i'm like Harry though, too much to read/watch. Guess it's time.....

  • Nov. 29, 2010, 1:22 p.m. CST

    We should be on Firefly Season 7 by now.

    by TommyGavinsEgo

  • Nov. 29, 2010, 1:25 p.m. CST

    B5 came years before DS9..

    by CeejayNightwing

    When the producers of ST:TNG heard about its development, they suggested to Gene Roddenberry that they should do a ST series based on a space station to counter B5. Gene flat turned them down stating that the concept was not Star Trek at all. As soon as the great bird died, they went ahead and rushed out a series a few months after the B5 pilot movie premièred! Worse still they approached the guys doing the FX for B5 during its third season and gave them more money in order to switch camps and do the FX in B5-style Space battles on DS9 to make it more spectacular. They even copied the stand alone special craft for the station when B5 got it's White-Star ship by introducing the Defiant! So who ripped of who Redhead?

  • Nov. 29, 2010, 1:25 p.m. CST

    We should be on Firefly Season 7 by now.

    by TommyGavinsEgo

    And the fact that we aren't is a travesty. And I didn't even like Whedon much before I got round to grudgingly watching the box-set.

  • Nov. 29, 2010, 1:25 p.m. CST

    oh, and i prefered Michael O'Hare to Bruce

    by rben

    Boxleitner SO THERE!

  • Nov. 29, 2010, 1:33 p.m. CST


    by L.H.Puttgrass

    I wonder what Thanksgiving at the Knowles' house is like? <p> Just wondering. <p> (We had shrimp okra gumbo and a 23 lb. turkey with all the trimmings: stuffing, cranberry sauce, broccoli, carrots, yams, hot dinner rolls, homemade pumpkin pie, homemade pecan pie, etc.) <p> (and there was only 7 of us...)

  • Nov. 29, 2010, 1:45 p.m. CST


    by Briestro

    Joe's been talking about that Wildstorm graphic novel for a while now, and it could just be that. As far as a big budget movie goes, Warners doesn't want the old cast, Joe won't do it without them, but all of that means nothing. B4, 1000 years ago, Valen, Shadows.. Great Ones.. it would rule and do very well if handled right. JMS script, Neil Blomkamp directing. Now THAT would rule. I'll take anything though. B

  • Nov. 29, 2010, 1:45 p.m. CST

    Answer? No there won't be.

    by V'Shael

    Babylon 5 had its day. It's come and gone.

  • Nov. 29, 2010, 1:49 p.m. CST

    B5 is my all time favorite scifi serices

    by Yamato

    But beyond the original series I was not a fan. Crusade could have been better if they cut the whole "technomage" crap. I really don't see any future for more B5, and a re-make, no matter how big budget would not stand up to the original, simply due to Peter Jurassic, Andy K, and Steven Fursts performances. Those were iconic and can not be topped. What ever is done, don't pull an Abrams, and write every character as a punk child, get rid of depth and make it a mindless action piece.

  • Nov. 29, 2010, 1:51 p.m. CST

    There's a difference between "reboot" and "reimagining"?

    by Sardonic

    What's the difference?

  • Nov. 29, 2010, 1:54 p.m. CST

    jms has been hinting for a while

    by loganprometheus

    about more B5 on his fb page. WB called him recently, and he's been hinting it'll be either a new show or a movie. of course, nothing is settled yet and it might not happen..

  • Nov. 29, 2010, 1:59 p.m. CST


    by L.H.Puttgrass

    A REBOOT is when someone wants to make some more money from some material that has run its course but they can't think of anything else. <p> A REIMAGINING is when someone wants to make some more money from some material that has run its course but they can't think of anything else. <p> I hope that was helpful.

  • Nov. 29, 2010, 2 p.m. CST


    by Monkeypuzzle

    Im fairly sure you already knew suggesting that B5 is a rip off of DS9 is going to cause outrage induced fires in basements all over the world

  • Nov. 29, 2010, 2 p.m. CST

    Err....does this even count as news?

    by Motoko Kusanagi


  • Nov. 29, 2010, 2 p.m. CST


    by bidibule

    Yeah, except everything you just said is wrong. 1) The Bab 5 pilot premiered on February 22 1993... almost two months after the pilot of DS9. 2) Foundation Imaging (Bab 5 FX company) joined Star Trek to work on Voyager. The only reason they ended up helping Digital Muse (DS9's SFX company) on DS9 is the sheer scope of the space battles in later episodes. 3) The Defiant turned up in DS9 (sept 94) more than a year prior to the White Star being introduced in Bab5 (Nov 95). Not to mention the fact that the Defiant stayed the only one of its kind, while the Defiant turned out to be only one of many. Aside from that, yeah, DS9 probably copied some of the Bab 5 ideas when JMS was shopping them around. But then again, that depends in how much you trust JMS with his side of the story.

  • Nov. 29, 2010, 2:01 p.m. CST

    I want F'N Teep War!!!

    by shutupfanboy

    That was supposed to be the next DVD after the last one. Sheridan and most of the major cast is still alive during that time. I still think its a good franchise to keep alive.

  • Nov. 29, 2010, 2:06 p.m. CST

    YESSSSSSSS Finally More Baylon 5

    by joker40

    OK..I know and have seen all the haters on here..Please let babylon 5 come back..But dont re-tell the story..add to it..There are so many left untold story..That true fans like myself have been waiting for for years..One that really sticks out..(For those fans like me)Is the "Telepath war"..and maybe continuing or adding on to the series "B5:Crusade"..Yes there was a short lived sequal series..And many many many other story lines also..But please continue with Babylon 5....And yes I was also a fan of ST:DS9..well maybe not the first 2 and a half seasons..but when they started the Jeb'hadar..and brought on Worf and Cisco went bald..then it was good..So im not putting down STDS9...I hope Bruce will comeback..Mia furlon, etc etc..This has made a little bit of my day for me..Oh yeah..and bring back peter woodward "Galen" the technomage....etc etc.. Peace people...

  • TEEP WAR..."Be seeing you Mr. Garabaldi...."...:) well said shutupfanboy...peace people..

  • Nov. 29, 2010, 2:16 p.m. CST


    by loganprometheus

    The outline for B5 was written all the way back in 1986. During 1986-1991 jms was shopping the show to different studios, including Paramount. Paramount got the pilot script, the series bible etc. Shortly after WB announced they would be making B5, Paramount announced DS9. DS9, with its bigger budget, was rushed into production so it would air before B5. This resulted in almost killing B5. In fact Paramount did everything they could to kill it, including saying to TV channels, if they wanted Star Trek shows, they can't air B5. The 'coincidences' are very interesting, considering prior to 1993 there had never been a TV show set on a space station.. and now there were 2, in the space of 2 months. Not to mention numerous similar elements in the pilot scripts.. (the early version of the B5 pilot script, which Paramount had, also included a Changeling character..)

  • Nov. 29, 2010, 2:20 p.m. CST


    by Redhead_Redemption

    Yes, Thats pretty much the only reason I posted that statement

  • Nov. 29, 2010, 2:21 p.m. CST

    Crusade would have been a great series.

    by cookylamoo

    If the morons at Sci-Fi hadn't wanted pushed-up boobs instead of science fiction.

  • Nov. 29, 2010, 2:26 p.m. CST

    "Is There The Possibility Of Hope?" Ask Obama.

    by Snake Foreskin

    Heh heh heh.

  • Nov. 29, 2010, 2:26 p.m. CST

    Babylon 5 stories to tell

    by shutupfanboy

    Besides the Telepathy War, there is the Drahk War which would include Crusade and the retaking of Centauri Prime. JMS left a lot of loose threads to come back to, hopefully he can finish a few more. I do think the last DVD was a wasted opportunity. Yes, the science vs faith them as well as introducing Cartiga's son was cool, but it didn't add anything or help answer any of the other questions. This time get Londo, Delenn, Garibaldi and Susan back those plus Sheridan were the glue now that G'Kar and Franklin are gone.

  • Nov. 29, 2010, 2:44 p.m. CST

    nothing matches seasons 1-4

    by spidercoz

    TNT destroyed the 5th season and the movies were mostly mediocre to pathetic (In The Beginning was fantastic). I don't think anything can recapture the epic awesomeness (or awesome epicness?) of the first 4 seasons. Especially now. JMS has way too much on his plate to devote necessary attention to this.

  • Nov. 29, 2010, 2:53 p.m. CST

    and yeah, DS9 completely ripped off B5

    by spidercoz

    The amount of detail that was just copied over is almost embarrassing. But both shows were so brilliantly executed it doesn't really matter.

  • Nov. 29, 2010, 3:03 p.m. CST


    by boogel

    I had completely forgot about LEXX. But if they reboot it they need to stop pretending and make it some kind of acid trip soft porn. It was already close.

  • Nov. 29, 2010, 3:03 p.m. CST

    at least ds9 went out with a bang

    by benni_diez

    before it got boring. still, no series finale in the world beats the final episode of TNG.

  • Nov. 29, 2010, 3:07 p.m. CST

    More B5 is good, more B5:Lost Tales not so much

    by JT Kirk

    I'll be there to support it no matter what, but between The Lost Tales and Legend of the Rangers, there is plenty of post-show junk to fear.

  • Nov. 29, 2010, 3:18 p.m. CST

    DS9 season 7 kinda sucked

    by shutupfanboy

    Too much Ezri Dax bullshit and I just hate how they ended the Sisko story arc. I would have been ok if they just killed him outright instead giving us false hope there would be a sequel. I kinda wished they ended the war in season six and felt us with all the post-war storylines that were open ended in season 7. DS9 is my favorite Trek show and both Cirroc Lofton and Avery Brooks were awesome in person, but the show needed to end as they knew Jadzia was off the show or given another season or two to deal with its shit.

  • Nov. 29, 2010, 3:18 p.m. CST

    Re: JT Kirk on TLT

    by SG7

    You said it man. The Lost Tales were absolute shit. So painfully bad. Talk about phoning it in. Although the new station CG looked nice.

  • Nov. 29, 2010, 3:19 p.m. CST

    Forget B5

    by SmokingRobot

    'Forbidden Planet' was the template for 'Star Trek', right down to the uniforms, the spaceship, hell, even the sound effects. So if you reboot 'FP' then you have, in effect, rebooting a 'Star Trek' like Universe, only with no Klingsons, Vulcans, and all that crap. A new space opera. Why the fuck doesn't Hollywood see this? It's not like Star Trek hasn't made a jizillion dollars in merchandising and sales.

  • Nov. 29, 2010, 3:19 p.m. CST

    B5 doesn't need a reboot

    by BigH

    A franchise only needs a reboot when it is flawed storywise. That is certainly not the case with Bab5. On the other hand I think that Bab5 had its time, and it was a terrific show, but I somehow doubt that it would fit in this decade. So all things considered it I think it would be best to leave the franchise rest in peace.

  • Nov. 29, 2010, 3:36 p.m. CST

    HEY JMS!

    by lead_sharp

    Try finishing something, anything go on it'll make you feel better, stronger, like a winner.

  • Nov. 29, 2010, 3:55 p.m. CST

    That Babylon 5 DVD Movie They Did, Was Horrible

    by Media Messiah

    I wish I could sue over it!!!! The DVD movie was just thrown together trash, and I am a fan of Babylon 5 saying this.

  • Nov. 29, 2010, 3:59 p.m. CST

    As For JMS

    by Media Messiah

    He is only proposing this new Babylon 5 incarnation, in an attempt to trade on Bruce Boxleitner's role in the new Tron. If it is a big box office and critical success, he'll get his funding, and if not, no. It is as simple as that.

  • Nov. 29, 2010, 4:04 p.m. CST

    JMS always says this shit...

    by Damned if I can login

    "I've got this incredible project that you'll hear about next year. I can't say anything about it right now."<p>Heard it. *Many* times. Funny how so few of these projects actually come to fruition. The only thing I see him doing these days is writing comics.<p>Betcha over at the JMS butt-licking website the throng is all gaga over the latest (in a long line) of news about yet another project from "Joe". Heh.<p>For the record I'm no hater, in fact I love B5. Just not JMS.

  • Nov. 29, 2010, 4:14 p.m. CST

    @Media Messiah

    by loganprometheus

    It was Warner Brothers who called JMS. I'd guess it has something to do with his new position now in Hollywood, hopefully WB also sees Boxleitner will be on every screen soon with Tron.

  • Nov. 29, 2010, 4:20 p.m. CST

    @Damned if I can login

    by loganprometheus

    Well isn't that par for the course, in TV and film. There are thousands of projects planned that never make it to the screen, for one reason or another. JMS is not alone in this, is he.

  • Nov. 29, 2010, 4:25 p.m. CST

    Lots of potential - good or bad

    by jgsugden

    If JMS would be willing to come back, the conditions would likely be right for it to be 'good B5' rather than 'bad B5' (LoTR, Lost Tales, etc...) I hope we hear good news in the next 6 months.

  • Nov. 29, 2010, 4:34 p.m. CST

    JMS is a carny barker

    by KazamaSmokers

    He's always dropping lame-ass "hints". He's a talented guy, but if they do a re-boot (and I'd love to see it) I hope someone can rein in his tendency to crash projects.

  • Nov. 29, 2010, 4:35 p.m. CST

    DS9 was better

    by bigpale

    There I said it.

  • Nov. 29, 2010, 4:41 p.m. CST

    TP War or Nothing

    by _Maltheus_

    I loved Babylon 5. Aside from some rough edges, it's probably the best sci-fi show of all time (maybe tied with Farscape). But the only story left to tell is the telepath war. From the end of S4 onwards, that's the only thing I cared to see. But JMS kept putting it off until two of the main characters died and now he acts like it's too late. But all you really need for it is Bester, Garibaldi and Lyta. It's obviously what the fans want, just do it already.<br /> <br /> That being said, JMS might not even be able to pull off the TP war anymore. Whatever magic he once had seems to be gone. However, he created the most fully realized arc-based show that ever existed and I'll always respect him for that.

  • Nov. 29, 2010, 4:41 p.m. CST


    by puto tenax

    True. Did enjoy both series. I'd hoped Paramount would see fit to another DS9-type series by now.

  • Nov. 29, 2010, 4:46 p.m. CST

    B5 was a better story than a brand

    by Dreamfasting

    The core B5 series has a special place on my shelf for the audacity of telling a long arc despite all the trials and tributation of casting, funding and maintaining momentum over the years. But as a rich a universe as JMS created, I'm not convinced that there's a long-term "brand" there ... it's a story, a really good story, but to recapture the atmosphere of discovery and internal continuity you can't really just pick up a new set of characters - you need a whole new universe to such an extent that it's not really connected to the original concept/name. It would certainly be nice to be proven wrong, but that's my gut feeling.

  • Nov. 29, 2010, 4:54 p.m. CST

    Yeah, a reboot is very unlikely...

    by Duck of Death

    But really, I can't think of a riper candidate. I'm rewatching the series now, and wow...there are some great moments, but between them there's a staggering amount of (1) cheesy acting; (2) low-budget visual effects (not trashing the effort -- I'm amazed they got so much out of limited resources); (3) tedious story filler.<br><br>B5 also suffered from the unavoidable pitfalls of trying to tell a single story over five years -- having to make drastic changes because of actor departures and the threat of cancellation. Imagine the B5 saga re-told with a tighter story (cut it down to 5 seasons of 13 episodes or fewer), state of the art FX, and, uh, a more "modern" tone.<br><br>If JMS went back to his original vision for the story, it wouldn't even be re-treading old ground -- it would truly be a re-imagining. Ah well. Even though all of this is pretty unlikely, I think it makes more sense than pushing out yet another B5 gap-filler following obscure plotlines that only a miniscule audience still cares about.

  • Nov. 29, 2010, 5:21 p.m. CST

    JMS has even abandoned his Superman / Wonder Woman comics

    by V'Shael

    and is concentrating on the graphic novels.<br /><br />If he has one problem it's that he'll drop an existing project for something new and shiny every single god-damned time someone waves a shiny new thing in front of his keyboard.<br /><br />Attention span of a fucking gnat.<br /><br />He used to talk about this 1000 page novel he was working on. And this horror thing. And a tv series that was like X-Files he was working on. And god knows how many movie scripts. Forbidden Planet, Silver Surfer, etc... Can't begin to remember all his promised works which never materialised. But if someone turned around tomorrow and offered to make Rising Stars into a TV series, he'd drop the graphic novels faster than a greased shitlog.

  • Nov. 29, 2010, 5:23 p.m. CST

    You are the beginning of the story...

    by Manos

    you are the middle, and you are the ending, which leads to the next great story. JMS set a lot of possible story lines in The Deconstruction Of Falling Stars. Not only that, but it occurs to me that David Sherridan, son of John and Delenn, would have a few things to say about how known space is run.

  • Nov. 29, 2010, 5:34 p.m. CST

    ZZZZZZZzzzzzzzzzzz ... who fucking cares?

    by Big Dumb Ape

    Liked B5 for what it was back when it was on. I never thought it was all "that", but it was a fun geeky little show in its own way. But, sorry, it's just NOT one of those astounding properties that major amounts of people are clamoring for more of.<p>And don't even TRY to prop B5 up to TREK-like levels and point to the rebooted movie. Kirk, Spock and crew had truly become pop culture ICONS which made rebooting not only possible, but came with a built-in interest level. But NO such level of pop culture awareness is out there for B5 except amongst its most die-hard geeky fans.<p>Besides, with SO MUCH talent in Hollywood and with SO MANY new and original ideas that are out there, why waste even a single penny of B5 again -- especially after those truly craptacular movies -- when you could be doing something NEW instead?

  • Nov. 29, 2010, 5:57 p.m. CST

    Hell yes!

    by _Venkman


  • Nov. 29, 2010, 6:24 p.m. CST

    I hate reading TB's where people demand for things that have bee

    by andrew coleman

    I understand hating because most of you are pathetic. You understand though that I just got on this site. There is an obit for Kersh... Yet I have to read over and over this stupid posts of "Where is the obit?" blah blah blah. Do none of you have lives? Just wait these things will be posted. B5 come back? Yes please! TV needs a boost from all the sucking it's being doing lately, looking at you CBS.

  • Nov. 29, 2010, 6:25 p.m. CST

    The interesting thing about B5

    by GeneralKael

    Is that I have a hard time getting people to watch it. The first season is a bit slow as it is mainly setup. However, once they get to season two they are completely hooked. Every single person who I've loaned my DVDs to ends up loving the show. I also think it is more influenced by Lord of the Rings rather than Star Trek. I remember reading production info on it in Starlog quite awhile before DS9 showed up. B5 reminded me alot of 70s and 80s British Sci Fi - Good writing, Good acting, bad special effects. However I prefer bad special effects to bad writing and bad acting.

  • Nov. 29, 2010, 6:49 p.m. CST

    TEEP WAR..DRACH WAR..But no one listens to Zathras..

    by joker40

    B5..On Certain characters (Actors) that have passed on..Andreas Katsulas (G'kar) and (Stephen franklin)..But the characters already have backup supporting characters to fill in the blanks..for G'kar its Na'toth..and for was the actress on Crusade..or im sure one of the collegues from earth gov. But for the telepath have the main ingredients..Lita,Byron,Bester,Garabaldi, are the main ones..through in the president and dyllen..and there you have it..But please put back in Peter woodward who was in the "Lost tales" please bring back "Galen"..My main point is now more than ever..they have the new technology for Special effects and soforth...and so many places to go..even the great machine..But unfortunatly no Zathras..nobody listens to Zathras...this could be so awsome.."AND SO IT BEGINS"..but no one listens to ZATHRAS...

  • Nov. 29, 2010, 6:52 p.m. CST

    Bring back Jerry, Bruce and Claudia!!!!!

    by jonsnow

    I miss those characters, they were all great fun to watch. A big screen film would be awesome...

  • Nov. 29, 2010, 7:06 p.m. CST

    He's been trying for years...

    by bubcus

    ... to get something with that universe going. Sure, ask him again in April and we'll see if he has an answer. For now, don't get hopes up.

  • Nov. 29, 2010, 7:12 p.m. CST

    Kael.. that "bad" Special Effects thing...

    by tailhook

    Babylon 5 had the most cutting edge special effects of the era. How good were they? When Star Trek finally threw in the Model Towel because they couldn't produce much beyond exterior and static shots in DS9, they hired B5's former Special Effects company to do it, Foundation Imaging. Until Babylon 5 came along, true Fleet to Fleet combat like in Severed Dreams was frankly unheard of because it couldn't be done. Or even something such as the raider attack on B5 in Signs and Portents was something ST couldn't even hope to replicate in that era. It was always simply one ship firing or something getting hit in ST, if they had much special effects at all. DS9 and especially TNG were severly limited in what they were able to accomplish due to the limitations of models. B5 changed all that and was the very first live action Television drama to go complete CGI for its special effects.

  • Nov. 29, 2010, 7:36 p.m. CST


    by loganprometheus

    Yea, you're right, B5 doesn't get enough kudos for all the things it did first in American TV. The SFX, and especially the long-form storytelling.. now almost every major show is doing that, with story arcs that last for a season or even longer. Besides being one of the only sci-fi shows at that time to go beyond 1 or 2 seasons, besides Star Trek. B5 succeeded in many things it was trying to do, and many said it couldn't be done. The CGI doesn't look as good now due to it being cropped and fuzzy on the DVD's, but take a look at B5 on Netflix. It's 4:3 there, and the CGI looks a lot better and sharper than on the DVDs.

  • Nov. 29, 2010, 7:39 p.m. CST

    Dead horse...

    by Oldnewbie

    In fact it's a skeleton. Leave it be.

  • Nov. 29, 2010, 8:06 p.m. CST

    Hoping for remastered blu-rays, myself.

    by DarkHawke

    The problem with the DVD sets of B5 is that while the live-action scenes were shot in 16:9 ratio, anticipating the HDTV standard that was impending but had yet to arrive, for the sake of cost, time and complexity, the CGI shots were rendered in 4:3. When they made the DVD sets, the full widescreen live-action shots made their video premiere, but to match the width of those shots, Warner Bros. zoomed in on the CGI shots, thus cutting off the tops and bottoms of the original rendering. But now that we've had the GLORIOUS remastering of the Original Star Trek for blu-ray, I would LOVE to re-buy the B5 AND Crusade sets I have if Warner Bros. would simularly freshen the live-action shots and re-do the CGI in full 16:9 ratio. Though the direct-to-DVD Lost Tales was just okay overall, they did put a top-notch effort in rebuilding the CGI station and Starfury models, so some of the work's already done. This would rock my world. NOT that I wouldn't mind the oft-hoped-for Telepath War theatrical movie, or the truly impossible dream of a revived/continued Crusade, but I'll be realistic with my hopes for the time being. <P> And as far as all the sniping on JMS, he hardly needs me to defend him. BUT regarding the on/off projects, such is the way of Hollyweird, fellas, and y'all should be embarrassed posting that kind of grousing on a movie geek site. Opportunities come and go with the wind, and more often than not these days they come with iron-clad NDAs. Joe, however, being responsive to his fans, leaks out what he can, when he can. As far as his longevity on a project goes, I give you not only the long march that was B5, but a good four years or so on Spider-man. He didn't bail on Superman and Wonder Woman, either. He was told to move on to doing a follow-up to his wildly successful Superman: Earth One graphic novel. Again, why do I have to tell you guys this? For shame, you alleged geeks. For shame.

  • Nov. 29, 2010, 8:10 p.m. CST

    I agree with Joe's decision to NOT make more DVD's unless they l

    by Mahaloth

    The CGI sets looked lame in the last one.

  • Nov. 29, 2010, 8:53 p.m. CST

    I have a new crusade...Bring back LEXX

    by boogel

    Don't get me wrong...I loved B5. But it was done once well and i don't see how they could improve the story. Let it be. But LEXX! Now there is a franchise with potential only hinted at the first time around. I want HBO mini series, I want 3d comics, I want LEXX lunch boxes!

  • Nov. 29, 2010, 9:13 p.m. CST

    YES! Now bring back TWIN PEAKS!

    by tensticks

    Seriously, hates, stuff it. Babylon 5 truly DID change the future. Everything about its production and narrative model paved the way for EVERYTHING that came after--Buffy, Battlestar, Firefly, Farscape, even the new Who (it's worth noting that per capita B5 was MUCH bigger in the UK than in the US). And yes, it DID have a HUGE impact on Star Trek as well, even if no one on the Paramount side would ever publicly admit it. In time its rightful place WILL be widely acknowledge--just as very few people bought Pixies records in the 80s and early 90s, but most of those who DID started their own bands--Babylon 5's influence is a ripple effect that we've been feeling for decades, many never even knowing it (including more than a few who claim to HATE the show!). Anyway--I don't care what the B5/JMS/Ellsion haters have to say. On a day when we've lost Leslie Nielsen and Irvin Kershner, THIS brightens me up. Go JMS!

  • Nov. 29, 2010, 9:14 p.m. CST

    Stargate is better?

    by DioxholsterImperium

    i think its way better and excellent

  • Nov. 29, 2010, 9:46 p.m. CST

    LoganPrometheus: Either Or, It's All To Cash In On Boxleitner...

    by Media Messiah

    ...should Tron Legacy open big. If it does, they'll greenlit something, anything, concerning Babylon 5, but if it doesn't, Warner will act like they never showed any interest at all in reviving Babylon 5.

  • Nov. 29, 2010, 9:47 p.m. CST

    A part of me wants to see a BSG-magination of B5...

    by Prometeo another part wants to see a BSG-magination of Robotech, live action. Damn! Why am I not a Hollywood producer?

  • Nov. 29, 2010, 10:08 p.m. CST


    by Right Bastard

    I was two seasons in to LOST before I realized that "French Lady" was Delenn. Didn't recognize her without the bone in her hair.

  • Nov. 29, 2010, 11:26 p.m. CST

    Dear JMS...

    by Term66

    Please finish The Twelve before starting up B5... again.

  • Nov. 29, 2010, 11:32 p.m. CST

    The Twelve

    by loganprometheus

    is being finished, last I heard. JMS&Weston aim to get it done by the end of this year, and hopefully it'll be published sometime in the spring. A few weeks ago I read they had already finished with #9 & #10, and were starting up on issues #11 & #12. So rest easy Term66.

  • Nov. 29, 2010, 11:39 p.m. CST

    I'm still pissed about Crusade

    by br1947

    At least Firefly was given a chance (a shitty one, but a chance), Crusade was literally cancelled before it began airing. Fuck TNT, I have not watched them since then.

  • Nov. 30, 2010, 1:12 a.m. CST

    we have given up????? since when..

    by joker40

    Long hard school fans have not given up...we just have had to settle for mediocre shows like stargate (Yes i know what I kidding)but at least we have had Galactica and farscape.. but NO continue on with the stories already there on B5..bring on the lurkers guide...

  • Nov. 30, 2010, 2:57 a.m. CST

    simpler explanation

    by Himbo

    Would be that he doesn't have time to even consider the possibility given the monster sucess of Superman Earth One. Second installment has been fasttracked, so I'd say that's what he'll be wrestling with into Spring. <p> And on the whole B5/DS9 thing- over the last year I rewatched the whole run of Babylon5 and it was awesome. I have tried to rewatch DS9 and the show was nearly unwatchable. I have considered B5 on DVD. I don't even have interest in checking further DS9 from the library.

  • Nov. 30, 2010, 3:04 a.m. CST

    Five seasons of this and only one of Firefly.

    by BiggusDickus

    Explain, please.

  • Nov. 30, 2010, 3:08 a.m. CST

    Explain? Sure.

    by V'Shael

    Firefly was aired out of order, and didn't make much sense to the casual viewer. (If this is sci-fi, why are there cowboys and indians and horses?)<br /><br />Also, it was Fox. Fox likes to fuck with Joss Whedon. He is their bottom bitch.

  • Nov. 30, 2010, 3:13 a.m. CST

    @Term66 - The Twelve will not be finished this year.

    by V'Shael

    Joe is off of comics for the moment, and is focused 100% on the graphic novels. (Until the next shiny thing comes along.)

  • Nov. 30, 2010, 3:40 a.m. CST


    by loganprometheus

    Nope, he said he is finishing Twelve after the graphic novel announcement. That won't be affected. Also, you might wanna check your panties, they seem to be in a twist.

  • Nov. 30, 2010, 3:47 a.m. CST


    by Briestro

    I could talk B5 all day, but this talkback is just proving why I will not discuss it here. Way too much nonsense. B

  • Nov. 30, 2010, 3:49 a.m. CST


    by Briestro

    B5 is the REASON he gets so many project offers. Nvm, If you have a Minbari bone to pick with Joe at this point, I'm not gonna dissuade ya. B4 Movie ftw. B

  • Nov. 30, 2010, 4:51 a.m. CST

    @Briestro - I don't have a bone to pick with him.

    by V'Shael

  • Nov. 30, 2010, 5:09 a.m. CST

    @Briestro - I don't have a bone to pick with him.

    by V'Shael

    Look, I own the DVD series, I have 3 autographed copies of "Demon Night" and one of "Othersyde".<br /><br />But facts is facts. If you look over the assignments Joe has talked about, and the ones he's actually seen through to fruition, there is an enormous difference.<br /><br />B5 isn't the reason he gets so many offers right now. His script for "The Changeling" probably did more to raise his profile in Hollywood, than anything he did on TV.<br /><br />The film scripts that I'm aware of, are Ninja Assassin, They<br />Marched Into Sunlight, World War Z, Silver Surfer, Forbidden Planet, The Flickering Light and Lensman. Of those, the only ones that look like they're going to see the light of day, are World War Z (last I heard, they might have gotten a new writer in) and Forbidden Planet (though last I heard James Cameron dropped out, and it's now in Limbo).<br /><br />And god, don't even start about the insane delay between issues 21 and 22 of Rising Stars. I think he was averaging about 4 issues a year, even before the 2 year gap. Supreme Power? He dropped that too.<br /><br />He has a prodigious output, but his track record of seeing projects through to completion is spotty at best.

  • Nov. 30, 2010, 5:38 a.m. CST

    SGU proved sci-fi is outta style

    by DioxholsterImperium

    what will make pple watch babylon 5?

  • Nov. 30, 2010, 5:44 a.m. CST


    by BiggusDickus

    So what you're saying is that the people in charge of programming at Fox and most casual TV viewers are idiots?<p>Surely not!

  • Nov. 30, 2010, 6:19 a.m. CST

    @Childs - Agreed. @Diox SGU proved BAD scifi is unpopular

    by V'Shael

    SGU is pretty fucking terrible, as a TV show, never mind a sci-fi show.

  • Nov. 30, 2010, 7:05 a.m. CST

    I'd never seen B5 until this year

    by theGoldbergV

    bought the DVDs and burnt through them all in just over 4 months. It was great for its time, and I doubt anything of that scope or patience will be seen on TV again. The climate is changed and truth be told, should a new sci-fi show turn in a season of the same quality as B5 s1, it would probably get cancelled nowadays. <P><P>Still, some great sci fi in there, epsecially season 3 which was awesome

  • Nov. 30, 2010, 10:54 a.m. CST


    by loganprometheus

    for someone who frequents a movie geek site, you don't seem to know much about this movie business lark. the fact is, for every script that gets written, very few get made. and the ones that do get made, don't happen overnight, films spend years in production. jms seems to be averaging one movie per year of films actually released, that's a pretty good percentage for any writer. changeling, ninja assassin, thor. underworld 4 and wwz are heading into production soon. frankly I'm amazed at how many of his movies get made, compared to how things usually work in hollywood. but you seem to be expecting a movie to come out the next day, after someone mentions a script being written. that's not how this works.

  • Nov. 30, 2010, 11:03 a.m. CST


    by loganprometheus

    has actually been getting pretty good after a shaky start. the 2nd season has been a lot better than the 1st. if you don't think SGU is good enough, i don't know what you're expecting from a TV show. it's not gonna give you a BJ.

  • Nov. 30, 2010, 11:26 a.m. CST

    JMS dropped Superman and Wonder Woman?

    by HarryKnowlesNonExistentInceptionReview

    Thank god because those two books SUCKED ASS! Seriously, it's going to take YEARS for DC to clean up the mess he made of Wonder Woman.

  • Nov. 30, 2010, 11:47 a.m. CST


    by DioxholsterImperium

    READ: <p> <p> Thats SGU getting recognition from science community and thats the best recognition a sci-fi show can get.

  • Nov. 30, 2010, 11:51 a.m. CST


    by DioxholsterImperium

    lol, I think the people on this site dont have the ability to like anything that hasnt been marketed and hyped and shoved down their throats.

  • Nov. 30, 2010, 12:25 p.m. CST

    JMS at DCU has been good to great

    by shutupfanboy

    Wonder Woman is finally taking off and even starting to pop into Brightest Day stuff. Superman has been pretty amazing considering most of his storylines have sucked or been predictable to hell. I have not heard anything about JMS quitting those books. The fact that Earth One has sold out in the first day and is getting good feedback should mean we get the rest of that story as well.

  • Nov. 30, 2010, 12:45 p.m. CST


    by loganprometheus

    what they're talking about is, due to EO being such a success, DC asked jms to fast track the next volumes on that, but that means he has to take a back seat on the monthlies of Supes & WW. So his storylines will be finished on those books, but by other writers. I suspect this possible B5 news might have something to do with it as well, because if WB called jms and wants to do a B5 series next year, there's no way he can do a TV show, do Earth One books, AND do monthlies on Supes & WW, in addition to all the other stuff.

  • Nov. 30, 2010, 1:06 p.m. CST


    by Briestro

    The Changeling was brilliant. And I used to work in the comics industry (1994-2005), I remember very well the Rising Stars fiasco. It's all cool, and I agree about the amount of projects that get announced but never come out. He's stretched thin at the very least. B

  • Nov. 30, 2010, 5:03 p.m. CST

    Cannot run out of time.

    by thx185

    There is infinite time. You are finite. Zathras is finite. wrong tool. <br><br> Babylon 5 was an amazing show, especially seasons 1 - 4. Once it hit its stride in season 2, each episode was packed with an A plot, B plot, and sometimes a C plot. Above and through it all were gradually developing season-long arcs and series-long arcs. <br><br> Arcs about intergalactic wars (plural), politics, the balance of power, loyalty, nationalism (writ large across spacefaring species), autonomy.<br><br> These story elements were so tightly woven.. even though each episode was self-contained and satisfying, the continuity from episode to episode was just mind blowing. <br><br> All brought to life by brilliant (truly brilliant) actors like Andreas Katsulas and Peter Jurassic.. plus a bit of Flounder.. and hour after hour after hour of original scoring by ex-Tangerine Dream member Chris Franke.<br><br> I'm lucky to have been in the right place at the right time to experience this show..

  • Nov. 30, 2010, 5:53 p.m. CST


    by TheWhistler

    The new B5 show will be a sort of Prequel, The Shadow Wars. This will go back to the previous war involving the Minbari, Narn, and will feature B4! So it is written so shall it be!

  • Nov. 30, 2010, 6:13 p.m. CST

    TheWhistler and THX185

    by Briestro

    That's what I've said twice now, but I was going for a feature. A series set in that time? I dunno. No way it could ever have the length and breadth of the original. I doubt Joe would do it, but who knows. I'll take anything, again. THX, oh, this is the wrong talkback :). Franke's music is the original reason I watched it in first run, and he's still a huge influence on my own compositions. First run was such a chore to follow, it ruined TV for me forever, and I will never recover. This series meant so much to me I will never truly discuss it. The ANTI-Trek lives on in our dreams. B

  • Nov. 30, 2010, 6:14 p.m. CST

    Babylon 5 is a big pile of shit.

    by Yelsaeb

    Get out!

  • Nov. 30, 2010, 6:37 p.m. CST

    lexx and the higgs bozon mythos was cool

    by jonsnow

    You would have to agree that at least Lexx was way ahead of it's time since the higgs bozon is what every scientist is now looking for.

  • Nov. 30, 2010, 11:59 p.m. CST

    How about the Last StarFighter reboot.

    by OnO

    I mean seriously a trailer park trash hero saving the universe with a giant lizard as a co-pilot =Gold.

  • Dec. 1, 2010, 1:26 a.m. CST

    What *I* would do...

    by tensticks

    Since Joshua Cox (Corwin) is now a big deal, and he was on his way up the command chain anyway, I'd make HIM the focus of the new show, with Boxleitner's Sheridan playing ocunterpoint/adversary (since HIS career will certainly be given a jolt or at least heightened visibility by TRON). If they make it about the Telepath War and make it fairly self contained, it could be a win/win for everyone. But you know, that's BTW, JMS, if you read this, I give you full permission to use these ideas (whether or not you'd already thought of them).

  • Dec. 1, 2010, 3:01 a.m. CST


    by oh-Dawg

    I actually haven't used this talkback form in years, but I found AICN back in -99 when I was online looking for news on B5. What they SHOULD do (obviously) is take the horrible and dated effects and update them, then release that motherfucker in glorious HD on Blu-ray. I will claim that the writing and acting still holds up (where it counts), and I would buy that set.

  • Feb. 25, 2011, 6:18 a.m. CST

    B5 return

    by nathan

    for those who think it's to late for B5, star trek - star trek next gen. BTW star trek is THE WORST sci-fi show ever.