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No CLEOPATRA For Cameron!! Two AVATAR Sequels Arriving Decembers 2014 And (Probably) 2015!!

Merrick here...
Despite RECENT INDICATIONS that he was seriously considering directing Angelina Jolie in a CLEOPATRA movie before returning to Pandora, James Cameron has agreed to make AVATARs 2 & 3 his next films. Per the press release cited below, and Fox's Twitter stream. According to a press release, Cameron indicates the film will present "self contained stories that also fulfill a greater story arc". Cameron is to start writing the sequels in early 2011 - the second installment is being positioned for a December 2014 release with part three arriving December the following year.
LOS ANGELES (October 27, 2010) Moving forward with the most anticipated films of the next decade, Fox Filmed Entertainment Chairmen Jim Gianopulos and Tom Rothman announced today that Academy Award®-winning filmmaker James Cameron has agreed to make AVATAR 2 and 3 as his next films. Cameron, who had always viewed AVATAR as the creation of a new world and mythology, will begin work on the scripts early next year with an eye towards commencing production later in 2011. Cameron will decide if he will shoot the films back-to-back after he completes the scripts, but the release of the first, as yet untitled sequel, is targeted for December 2014, with the third film contemplated for a December 2015 release. AVATAR 2 & 3 will be produced by Cameron and Jon Landau for Cameron’s Lightstorm Entertainment. “AVATAR is not only the highest grossing movie of all time, it is a created universe based on the singular imagination and daring of James Cameron, who also raised the consciousness of people worldwide to some of the greatest issues facing our planet,” said Rothman and Gianopulos. “We had no higher priority, and can feel no greater joy, than enabling Jim to continue and expand his vision of the world of AVATAR. This is a great day in the history of our company, and we thank Jim, Jon Landau, Rae Sanchini and all of their team and all of our Fox colleagues throughout the world, who have made this possible.” Commented Cameron: “It is a rare and remarkable opportunity when a filmmaker gets to build a fantasy world, and watch it grow, with the resources and partnership of a global media company. AVATAR was conceived as an epic work of fantasy – a world that audiences could visit, across all media platforms, and this moment marks the launch of the next phase of that world. With two new films on the drawing boards, my company and I are embarking on an epic journey with our partners at Twentieth Century Fox. Our goal is to meet and exceed the global audience’s expectations for the richness of AVATAR’s visual world and the power of the storytelling. In the second and third films, which will be self contained stories that also fulfill a greater story arc, we will not back off the throttle of AVATAR’s visual and emotional horsepower, and will continue to explore its themes and characters, which touched the hearts of audiences in all cultures around the world. I’m looking forward to returning to Pandora, a world where our imaginations can run wild.” “It is very exciting to be teaming again with our partners at Fox to give audiences the opportunity to return to Pandora,” said producer Jon Landau. “With the first movie, Jim only scratched the surface of the stories he wants to tell and the creatures and world he wants to create. Now we will continue his vision.” AVATAR is the highest grossing film of all time, taking in nearly $2.8 billion in worldwide box office. It is also the top-selling Blu-ray disc of all time. AVATAR won Golden Globe® awards for Best Motion Picture and Best Director; and was nominated for nine Academy Awards, including Best Picture and Best Director, and won Oscars for art direction, visual effects and cinematography. AVATAR was written by Cameron from an idea he nurtured for over a decade, while working on the technology necessary to realize its wholly imagined world. Working with Joe Letteri and his team at Peter Jackson’s WETA Digital, Cameron created a fully immersive 3D cinematic experience of a new kind, where revolutionary technology that was invented to make the film disappeared into the emotion of the characters and the epic nature of the story. AVATAR 2 & 3 will mark Cameron’s latest collaborations with Twentieth Century Fox, a relationship that spans 25 years and marks one of the most successful filmmaker-studio alliances in motion picture history. Cameron and Fox first joined forces in 1985 for Aliens, which became a sci-fi classic. Next came The Abyss, which revolutionized visual effects technology; and True Lies, a blockbuster starring Arnold Schwarzenegger. In 1996, Fox greenlighted Cameron’s Titanic, which became the most successful film in history, and won a record-breaking eleven Academy Awards, including Best Picture.

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  • Oct. 27, 2010, 12:34 p.m. CST

    So the typical AICN writer's day goes like this...

    by coconutgroves

    Wake up, check other sites, post their news here.

  • Oct. 27, 2010, 12:35 p.m. CST

    first

    by w4tkn

  • Oct. 27, 2010, 12:36 p.m. CST

    well I was hoping for the rumored Forbidden Planet trilogy.

    by mr dark

    But I am interested in going back to Pandora...also Battle Angel Alita would have bee nice too..

  • Oct. 27, 2010, 12:37 p.m. CST

    Does this movie really need a sequel?

    by neoufo51

    Aren't Cameron's talents better put to use adapting Battle Angel? Or something original like back in the 80's?

  • Oct. 27, 2010, 12:37 p.m. CST

    Battle Angel Alita

    by roguechef664

    WHEN, DAMMIT. WHEN??

  • Oct. 27, 2010, 12:37 p.m. CST

    i'll pay my $20 to see this in 3D

    by Rupee88

    3D is usually not worth it but it in this case it will be.

  • Oct. 27, 2010, 12:38 p.m. CST

    Avatar sucked

    by Trannyformers_Apologist

  • Oct. 27, 2010, 12:38 p.m. CST

    And if you think Avatar is original...

    by neoufo51

    You haven't seen Dances with Wolves

  • Oct. 27, 2010, 12:39 p.m. CST

    and yes Battle Angel would have been more exciting

    by Rupee88

    I'm not sure how he can possibly follow up teh first Avatar film with anything nearly as powerful and surprising, but most said taht after Titanic so we'll see.

  • Oct. 27, 2010, 12:40 p.m. CST

    nobody gives a f*ck if Avatar is "original"

    by Rupee88

    Was Star Wars original? It ripped off a bunch of earlier source material esp Joseph Campbell...but wgaf...it rocked and so did Avatar, you retards.

  • Oct. 27, 2010, 12:41 p.m. CST

    Unnecessary

    by quicksilver80

    Battle Angel please?

  • Oct. 27, 2010, 12:45 p.m. CST

    Why am I already bored with these movies?

    by Sw0rdfish

  • Oct. 27, 2010, 12:47 p.m. CST

    neoufo51, if you think that post is original...

    by FlickaPoo

    ...you've never read an AVATAR talkback before.<P> I hope for your sake that repeating the ultimate AVATAR cliché, while bashing the movie's originality was a subtle joke, but I doubt it.

  • Oct. 27, 2010, 12:51 p.m. CST

    director,writer,artist,visionary,adventurer,geek,

    by KilliK

    husband,father,man,KING.<br /> <br /> <p>ladies and gentlemen that is James Cameron for you.

  • Oct. 27, 2010, 12:52 p.m. CST

    i wonder if james cameron thinks of himself as a god

    by thesmilingpsycho

    for creating an entire world. it sure sounds like it the way he talks about it. i've never seen him be humble about anything. oh well at least his intentions are good.

  • Oct. 27, 2010, 12:56 p.m. CST

    Only two outcomes really.....Earth wins.....Earth loses again.

    by cookylamoo

    Or taking both sequels together Earth wins one and the loses again.

  • Oct. 27, 2010, 12:58 p.m. CST

    i've already got concept art for the sequel right here:

    by thesmilingpsycho

    http://thesmilingpsycho.deviantart.com/art/Na-vi-vs-Military-Round-2-183689804?q=sort%3Atime+gallery%3Athesmilingpsycho&qo=2

  • Oct. 27, 2010, 12:58 p.m. CST

    STAR WARS is a remake of HIDDEN FORTRESS

    by blackwood

    by Kurosawa so WE HATE STAR WARS NOW.<p>I liked AVATAR and I think it's a good idea to 'finish' (ie invent and pretend it was the intention all along, hello MATRIX) the trilogy before moving on. Then Cameron can take another ten years to do something that rips off, oh, let's say, OF MICE AND MEN, except in space and with robots.

  • Oct. 27, 2010, 12:58 p.m. CST

    I think Cameron is a great visionary...

    by quicksilver80

    But the ultimate world builder is called Jack Vance, go read his work

  • Oct. 27, 2010, 1:02 p.m. CST

    How old is Cameron??

    by kafka07

    the guy's gonna be 90 by the time the 3rd one comes out.

  • Oct. 27, 2010, 1:04 p.m. CST

    Alita... never please.

    by -Halfscan-

    JC doesn't do well when playing with other peoples toys. Keep him the fuck away from Battle Angel

  • Oct. 27, 2010, 1:05 p.m. CST

    No need for a sequel

    by Gorgomel

  • Oct. 27, 2010, 1:07 p.m. CST

    Halfscan

    by quicksilver80

    For example?

  • Oct. 27, 2010, 1:10 p.m. CST

    Cameron better make Battle Angel before I die

    by Rindain

    I love Avatar, but I NEED to see Battle Angel. Battle Angel is my favorite comic ever.

  • Oct. 27, 2010, 1:17 p.m. CST

    Oh, six more hours of 'humans suck'?

    by impossibledreamers

    Really?

  • Oct. 27, 2010, 1:19 p.m. CST

    I loved Avatar so this is awesome news!

    by Quadrillionaire

    Devin must be throwing a hissyfit right now

  • Oct. 27, 2010, 1:20 p.m. CST

    Calling Avatar a ripoff of Dances With Wolves...

    by Mr. Moe

    Just shows how moronic people are. Really, the similarities between the two are so shallow that they are meaningless. Inception & Paprika had more in common than Avatar & Dances With Wolves.

  • Oct. 27, 2010, 1:20 p.m. CST

    RE: Jack Vance

    by ravenloff

    I'll check up on Vance, but if your really want your socks knocked off, try Niven's Ring or Gas Torus environs. For that matter, for sheer volume of exceptionally realized planets, try Peter F. Hamilton.

  • Oct. 27, 2010, 1:20 p.m. CST

    he must have

    by Wyndam Earle

    something big planned for the sequels, otherwise why do it? He's got all the money and power he could ever want. Come on people, this is Jim-I-knock-sequels-outdaPARK-Cameron!

  • Oct. 27, 2010, 1:21 p.m. CST

    What a waste of talent

    by estacado1

    I can't see how Avatar movies can rise to be more than kids' movies. He needs to use his talent on more mature movies.

  • Oct. 27, 2010, 1:22 p.m. CST

    Smurfs!! Dances with Wolves!! Pocahontas!!

    by Sonny_Williams

    Trolls are such totally pathetic excuses for people. Not one molecule of creativity, yet they think themselves so superior to normal people. Trolls are just like mangy stray dogs running around shitting on everything they see.<p> That said, I do hope Cameron writes some meatier stories and dialogue this time to go along with the visual splendor of Pandora. I was totally happy with the first installment, but I do expect a richer storyline this time since the gee-wiz visuals will be of the been there-done that variety.

  • Oct. 27, 2010, 1:30 p.m. CST

    I think today should be decaled as Geek Day

    by KilliK

    since we had 3 major geek announcements: hobbit,avatar2&3 and batman 3

  • Oct. 27, 2010, 1:34 p.m. CST

    I hate when they plan two sequels

    by knowthyself

    Before they even know if part 2 will be any good.

  • Oct. 27, 2010, 1:35 p.m. CST

    Betweeen Avatar sequels and Cleopatra

    by PedroM

    i still would like for any other project, like the Battle Angel Alita adaptation.

  • Oct. 27, 2010, 1:36 p.m. CST

    I like Avatar

    by samwise_gamgees_scrotum

    but I love piranha 2. Piranha 2 was his best film.I wish he was making Pirahna 4 and 5 instead.

  • Oct. 27, 2010, 1:40 p.m. CST

    Ravenloff

    by quicksilver80

    I'll check them out, Vance focuses more on creating intricate and exotic societies, but his worlds are pretty nifty too

  • Oct. 27, 2010, 1:41 p.m. CST

    If you have seen Aliens of the Deep

    by antonphd

    then you know what James is probably going to have in store for us with the Avatar sequels since he said he will be 'diving' into the oceans of Pandora(or some neighbor world). I can't mother fucking wait!!

  • Oct. 27, 2010, 1:42 p.m. CST

    2014 and 2015 is because of the Hobbit films

    by antonphd

    nobody wants to compete with the Hobbit films in 2012 and 2013. not even the king of the world himself.

  • Oct. 27, 2010, 1:43 p.m. CST

    Fuck Battle Angel with tentacled Teddy bear

    by UltraTron

    cock attack Japanese fetish bukkake style. But Avatar completely stands alone as a perfect sci/fi fantasy that said everything it needed to say.. But I guess it'll be fun to see the pandorians prepare for the earth attack response. Eventually the pandorians will have to conquer earth if there is to be lasting peace- so that could be fun I guess.

  • Oct. 27, 2010, 1:44 p.m. CST

    Great News, But I Wish They Had Started Filming...Months Ago

    by Media Messiah

    BTW, Cameron already wrote the scripts, no matter what he is now claiming. he was just waiting for Fox to pay him!!!

  • Oct. 27, 2010, 1:55 p.m. CST

    CAMERON'S FILMS ARE DREADFUL. GREAT FX, BUT DREADFUL STORIES

    by feebster69

    CAMERON'S FILMS ARE DREADFUL. GREAT FX, BUT DREADFUL STORIES. AND SO UNSUBTLE - WHICH IS WHY THEY DO SO WELL, UNFORTUNATELY. THE ALIENS IN AVATAR WERE JUST BLUE 'NATIVE AMERICANS' - IT WAS A MISSED OPPORTUNITY TO CREATE A TRULY GREAT, DISTINCTIVE-LOOKING ALIEN SPECIES AND HE TOOK THE PATH OF LEAST RESISTANCE.

  • Oct. 27, 2010, 1:56 p.m. CST

    No, impossibledreamers . . .

    by Nice Marmot

    6 more hours of "corruption, greed and war all suck."

  • Oct. 27, 2010, 2 p.m. CST

    HOLY FUCK!!!!!!!!!!!!! TURD if this is going to happen

    by KilliK

    with Arnold to play in the Avatar sequels,holy fucking christ,that will be the most awesome and geekiest news of the century.<br /> <p>but as you say,it will probably be about some kind of environmental campaign since Arnie is more interested in his political career than playing in the movies.anyway we shall see.

  • Oct. 27, 2010, 2:01 p.m. CST

    And the suckers line up for more swill...

    by TheGhostWhoLurks

    Avatar was garbage. A recycled plot stolen from far better films, put into a CGI cartoon. Terribly written, poorly acted with ridiculous dialouge, but lauded by people easily impressed by the bright-blue colors of Native American cat-people who rode their cartoon horsies to fight the mean old humans with technology literally light-years beyond their own. And the cat-people won, of course.<p>If people were stupid enough to be so impressed by this 3-D, CGI nonsense to make it the biggest-grossing film in history, why WOULDN'T Cameron make a couple more??? Unlike his audience, he apparently isn't a complete fool. Milk those suckers for all they're worth, at $20 a pop!<p>No wonder humans got beat by a bunch of blue cats... >:)

  • Oct. 27, 2010, 2:02 p.m. CST

    probably the environmental campaign will have

    by KilliK

    a connection with the Navi and Avatar,vote Arnie if you want to save the planet or some shit like this.

  • Oct. 27, 2010, 2:03 p.m. CST

    The Graphics guys do all the heavy lifting.

    by cookylamoo

    Don't forget, Avatar is 70 percent cartoon. You could let the Assistant Directors do the few human scenes.

  • Oct. 27, 2010, 2:03 p.m. CST

    And if you think TOP GUN is original...

    by FlickaPoo

    ...you haven't seen gay porn.

  • Oct. 27, 2010, 2:03 p.m. CST

    HATERS GONNA HATE

    by KilliK

    FUCK THEM.

  • Oct. 27, 2010, 2:05 p.m. CST

    And if you think Harry's lifestyle is original...

    by FlickaPoo

    ...you haven't seen Baron Vladimir Harkonnen in Lynch's DUNE.<br> <br> <br>(apologies)

  • Oct. 27, 2010, 2:07 p.m. CST

    Jimmy writing the "screenplay"..BAHAHAHA!!!

    by AzulTool

    How's he going to top that last masterpiece? I hear that the script doctor on the sequels will be George Lucas.

  • Oct. 27, 2010, 2:09 p.m. CST

    Arnold is going to announce...

    by CountOrlok

    True Lies 2

  • Oct. 27, 2010, 2:13 p.m. CST

    Or listen to them, KilliK...

    by TheGhostWhoLurks

    Because half the time, the "haters" are CORRECT. In Avatar's case, they're 100% correct.<p> It's a simple-minded allegory of Western, liberal environmentalism, complete with the Native American "Noble Savage," the "evil" Corporation and the White Guy who "goes native," turns against his own and is the one person who can save the noble (but impotent) savages and beat them at their own games (bone the chief's daughter, tame the wild stallion/dragon, etc.)<p>It's really pretty funny seeing so many people get duped so easily and convince themselves that they're seeing something "revolutionary" and "deep," when all they're really doing is getting fleeced. :)

  • Oct. 27, 2010, 2:14 p.m. CST

    2014 & 2015. Legalized pot should be real potent by then!

    by AzulTool

  • Oct. 27, 2010, 2:15 p.m. CST

    man what if Cameron uses Arnie to play in Avatar a similar

    by KilliK

    character like Kerk Pyrrus from the Deathworld novels?? i always thought that Arnie would have been the perfect actor for this role,since he has the suitable muscular build and hard-ass/military attitude.<br /> <p>Like Kerk,Cameron could have Arnie as a hardcore general who is determined to destroy Pandora in any cost,but by the end of Avatar 3 he reconsiders the fault of his ways and he comes in peace with the Navi and their planet.<br /> <P>FUCK.PLEASE MAKE IT SO MR CAMERON,PLEEEEEEEEEEASE.

  • Oct. 27, 2010, 2:15 p.m. CST

    YES!

    by rangerspartan

    I am totally pumped! Jim is going to rape our eyeballs! nerdsandmovies.com

  • Oct. 27, 2010, 2:16 p.m. CST

    What happened to Sodenberg's prog rock musical 3D Cleopatra?

    by ricarleite2

    I'm asking this again and again and no one seems to remember this project! It was on pre production moving to filming! What happened?

  • Oct. 27, 2010, 2:17 p.m. CST

    And if you think Cleopatra was original...

    by FlickaPoo

    ...you haven't seen Nefertiti.

  • Oct. 27, 2010, 2:18 p.m. CST

    We should discover that...

    by knowthyself

    The Na'vi are cannibals and enslave the other tribes on Pandora. You know like the real Native Americans did.

  • Oct. 27, 2010, 2:18 p.m. CST

    HATERS GONNA HATE

    by KilliK

    TheGhostWhoLurks the funny thing? what you have just described applies for Inception and not Avatar,but go tell that to the real sheeps aka Nolanoids.<br /> <p>at least i havent seen until now a non-hardcore Avatarian who claims that Avatar is the best thing that the world has ever graced.masterpiece yes,revolutionary yes as 3D CGI goes,but Cameron as the new Kubrick or TDK as the new Godfather,well that is something that you will rarely hear from the normal fans of Avatar.<br /> <p>NOW GO AND HATE HATER.

  • Oct. 27, 2010, 2:20 p.m. CST

    oh wait.maybe it has to do with the True Lies series.maybe

    by KilliK

    Arnie has a cameo in that? anyway.

  • Oct. 27, 2010, 2:24 p.m. CST

    The news this week is quite a bit more positive

    by pax256

    than usual... Good stuff we need good news seeing as the economy is bonkers all around.

  • Oct. 27, 2010, 2:24 p.m. CST

    I was hoping for True Lies 2

    by BoRock_A_Boomer

    Guess we're fucked now

  • Oct. 27, 2010, 2:27 p.m. CST

    From what I read....

    by connor187

    A black screen, we briefly hear the rustling of leaves. We open with a first person perspective, quickly moving through dense jungle. Insect and alien creatures can be heard along with heavy breathing of our character as he/she continues forward. Cut to - A high angle shot at the edge of the jungle. We can hear something coming our way through the jungle. Small bird like creatures fly out of the foliage before the huge leafs part. When - Jake Sully, our hero from Avatar (in his Avatar Na Vi body) bursts out of the jungle and with a great gasp of breath, leaps towards us. The camera (slow motion) pans back to revel Jake leaping out of the jungle which is placed on the edge of a endless cliff. We watch as with all his energy he elegantly jumps past the camera. Small drops of jungle dew fall from his outstretched arms. We pan down as he begins his decent. We now stay in a fixed position as we watch him fall. Out of nowhere his Banshee swoops in to intercept him....Title card. PLOT - The tree of souls is slowly dying. The Na Vi speak of a rare creature that resides in the deepest part of the Pandoran sea. Jake must venture to the depths to collect a sample of its flesh. He discovers to his horror. Humans, led by the infamous Sargent Rawlings. Quietly preparing to mount an amphibious invasion force. I wont spoil the rest.

  • Oct. 27, 2010, 2:28 p.m. CST

    The real ending to 'Avatar'

    by SmokingRobot

    'I say we talk off, nuke the site from orbit. It's the only way to be sure'.

  • Oct. 27, 2010, 2:29 p.m. CST

    Matrix trilogy >>> Avatar trilogy

    by Kain_Bloodstone

    That's what will be said come Dec '15. The first Matrix film kicked the first Avatar film's ass. In fact it was the film Cameron WISHED he made. Both the first Matrix and Avatar had well known recycled concepts but The Matrix put it to staggering use that made it seem fresh and innovative. Avatar was tired from frame one. Matrix Reloaded will turn out to be a better sequel than Avatar 2. It expanded themes and wasn't afraid to lose its audience. Cameron will play it safe with Avatar 2. He won't make any bold moves in fear it will alienate his audience. And Matrix Reloaded had the amazing freeway sequence which Cameron is simply incapable of nowadays. Cameron is a shell with his creative juices sucked dry. Both he and Fox are doing this for the money grab. If Cameron REALLY WANTED TO STRETCH HIMSELF he would have made Cleopatra. Instead he's made the safe move. And the Avatar sequels will be SAFE AND EXTRAORDINARILY ORDINARY.

  • Oct. 27, 2010, 2:32 p.m. CST

    and in other news....

    by connor187

    I am full of shit!

  • Oct. 27, 2010, 2:33 p.m. CST

    AVATAR is Ass-wipe

    by DioxholsterOperationsOutpost

    good like shit

  • Oct. 27, 2010, 2:34 p.m. CST

    coconutgroves --- haha

    by DioxholsterOperationsOutpost

    thats what i always say, they gather the info for us like a blog. they dont report it!

  • Oct. 27, 2010, 2:38 p.m. CST

    Turd

    by quicksilver80

    I enjoyed Avatar...but it has zero cultural impact, don't dare compare it to Star Wars

  • Oct. 27, 2010, 2:38 p.m. CST

    Avatar sequels could be a good thing, because the 1st wasn't "GR

    by MattmanReturns

    It was merely good. I think sequels could easily improve upon the first.

  • Oct. 27, 2010, 2:38 p.m. CST

    So we get Avatar, Batman and Hobbit news in less than 12 hours

    by majorax

    awesome

  • Oct. 27, 2010, 2:38 p.m. CST

    TheGhostWhoLurks . . .

    by Nice Marmot

    . . . Cameron said he's stop recycling plot as soon as you stop recycling the same troll rants we've read a bazillion times regarding Avatar. It's a friggin' movie. Swallow some of that rage already . . .

  • Oct. 27, 2010, 2:40 p.m. CST

    No Battle Angel? Hell yeah a Hater is gonna Hate.

    by Stalkeye

    Cameron was talking about filming Alita long before Avatar came to mind and not to mention utilizing the same 3D Technology for the proposed film.WTF happened?<p>Bless him anyway, but after the first Avatar, I'm done.Not that I hate the film, but the ending (which was very good.) was a complete wrap for me.But eventually, the dollar sign$ changed Jim's mind as I don't really think he had a sequel in mind until the BO returns.At least his plans for Cleopatra has been scrapped for now.Cleopatra?!? who gives a shit, really?

  • Oct. 27, 2010, 2:41 p.m. CST

    What Turd said . . .

    by Nice Marmot

    . . . while Avatar is HUGELY overrated, it's 2 sequels are already 99 times better than those shitty Matrix sequels.

  • Oct. 27, 2010, 2:42 p.m. CST

    wasn't "GREAT"

    by MattmanReturns

  • Oct. 27, 2010, 2:43 p.m. CST

    SmokingRobot that was funny.

    by Stalkeye

    Nod to one of my fav Cameron films.

  • Oct. 27, 2010, 2:44 p.m. CST

    So many other things I'd rather see him do

    by skycrapper

    Hell even the Cleopatra movie sounds better to me than more Avatar and I'm very tired of Jolie. Avatar was such a let down, story wise, in my opinion.

  • Oct. 27, 2010, 2:46 p.m. CST

    AVATAR 2 is just to justify 5 years of work

    by DioxholsterOperationsOutpost

    nothing more dipshits. it will suck. it has no soul. SGU on the other hand is a fucking masterpiece JC could only wish he was involved. he must feel like shit to see a low rated scifi show be better quality than his 500 million dollar crapfest. cry JC cry like a baby for you have made shit

  • Oct. 27, 2010, 2:46 p.m. CST

    connor187

    by thesmilingpsycho

    that actually sounds like it could be legit. but i still hesitate to believe u

  • Oct. 27, 2010, 2:50 p.m. CST

    Na'vi Genocide is what i want

    by DioxholsterOperationsOutpost

    i fuckin hate em so much, they think they so special but they really poop in the bushes how uncivilized

  • Oct. 27, 2010, 2:55 p.m. CST

    never saw avatar

    by scadamz

    true.

  • Oct. 27, 2010, 2:56 p.m. CST

    Nolan's Batman trilogy will shit all over Avatar

    by Kain_Bloodstone

    That is pretty much guranteed. Here's how the trilogies will shape up:<P>1. Star Wars OT<P>2. LOTR<P>3.Nolan Batman<P>4. Indy Jones<P>Alien<P>Matrix<P>Avatar<P>Note - these are genre trilogies only, hence no Godfather.

  • Oct. 27, 2010, 2:57 p.m. CST

    Now I'm expecting...

    by IamaGoldenGod

    A human Avatar called er... lets say Mah-cus Atonio and a Navi called... um ... Kliopartra and the story will be an original one about a great love and the formation of an empire but...... hahahahahahahahahahaha

  • Oct. 27, 2010, 2:58 p.m. CST

    AVATAR 2: Na'vi convert human world into Na'vi parasite

    by DioxholsterOperationsOutpost

    their Nature God thing wants to conquer Earth for itself and commands Jake Sully to form an invasion army to invade earth and transform humans into Na'vi. they are evil.

  • Oct. 27, 2010, 3:01 p.m. CST

    the world love Twilight so they love AVATAR too

    by DioxholsterOperationsOutpost

    the trend moves faster than you think. in 1977 Star Wars was king because of the slowness of that decade.

  • Oct. 27, 2010, 3:02 p.m. CST

    Turd I see where you're coming from

    by quicksilver80

    But what you mentioned seems to me more like a fad than real social and cultural impact, but that's my opinion...I'm going to see the sequels anyway

  • Oct. 27, 2010, 3:02 p.m. CST

    Na'vi Vs. Humans Vs. Aliens Vs. Predators????

    by DioxholsterOperationsOutpost

    that i would watch

  • Oct. 27, 2010, 3:10 p.m. CST

    the only reason pple liked it coz Humans are evil

    by DioxholsterOperationsOutpost

    People are so into themselves that they blame their own evil nature and think that the whole race is as evil as them because its in our nature. bullshit, and tree-huggers used AVATAR to support their shit activist work

  • Oct. 27, 2010, 3:11 p.m. CST

    "like a fad than real social and cultural impact"

    by KilliK

    Star Wars didnt change the world either if that's what you mean.And you are comparing a 30+ y.o. franchise with 6 movies,cartoons,series,books,comics and a merchandise industry with a movie which has been release almost a year ago? that's plain stupid.<br /> <p>Avatar 2 will determine of how much of pop cultural impact this property holds to be,in the same matter that Empire proved the longevity and popularity of Lucas's property.and this comes from Lucas himself,not me,he himself said that he waited for Empire to really test the strength of his property.

  • Oct. 27, 2010, 3:12 p.m. CST

    Unless Stephen Lang is back as Quaritch...

    by Rocco Curioso

    then count me out. His performance was the only substance from the first movie. The rest was pretty visuals, a hackneyed storyline, and mediocre acting from everyone else.<P>One would guess genetic engineering is far enough advanced in the year 2154 that cloning him WOULD be possible. Make it happen, Jim (thanks in advance).

  • Oct. 27, 2010, 3:14 p.m. CST

    Empire Strikes Back is the best fucking thing ever!!!

    by DioxholsterOperationsOutpost

    everything went downhill from there!!!!!! oh man!

  • Oct. 27, 2010, 3:16 p.m. CST

    And if you think 2015 is original...

    by FlickaPoo

    ...you haven't seen 2014.

  • Oct. 27, 2010, 3:16 p.m. CST

    AVATAR is not a crime.

    by blackwood

    It really isn't. I have never seen one person who liked AVATAR claim it is any of the things that detractors say it's not. No one, except haters is piques of self-righteous indignation, has ever claimed AVATAR was an exceptionally written masterwork of unfettered genius send from the loins of Jesus to be Our Salvation. Like, no one. But here were have a tribe of people who are REALLY ANGRY AND OFFENDED that AVATAR exists, made a lot of money, and resonated with people.<p>It's not fair because... ...? Because the talkback arbiters of good taste think it's undercooked samesies? Because not everyone enjoyed it and it's unfair that something should be successful that you don't like? Because you can 'see through' the despotic and soulless machinations of a once-loved director now that he's made two of the most financially successful films in the history of film? Because he clearly can't have a vision, even if it's influenced by shit we've all seen and were influenced by? Because he's not Christopher Nolan?<p>I don't know. I liked AVATAR. It was cool. I'm looking forward to seeing what Cameron does with his established world. I feel like, having introduced us to it in the way he did, he has an opportunity to go much farther and deeper and stranger with it. I hope he does. If not, I'll be disappointed. But I'll never understand this tangible malice and vitriol some people bring to these conversations. I don't understand the wish for things to fail or be shit. I feel like that should go against everything geekdom stands for. Being a geek should be about the pure fucking joy of loving the shit out of something. Not this pervasive obligation to hate everything as if it proves something.

  • Oct. 27, 2010, 3:16 p.m. CST

    oh man to be the one who makes another Empire Strikes Back!!!!

    by DioxholsterOperationsOutpost

    i wonder if i will live to see the day! I wish it were me to come up with the fucking great idea like that but I think hanging on AICN too much rotted my brain!

  • Oct. 27, 2010, 3:17 p.m. CST

    Oh yes the originality of an anime chick cyborg!

    by RETURN_of_FETT

    Come the fuck on! We've seen that a billion times. She Cameron practically already did Battle Angel with Dark Angel!</p><p>Would I rather he do Creature from the Black Lagoon or Forbidden Planet? Fuck yeah! But I'm just so damn glad he hauled his water-logged ass back to Hollywood and is back making feature films again. Avatar is fucking amazing so I'm totally down with more of those films.

  • Oct. 27, 2010, 3:20 p.m. CST

    blackwood well said

    by KilliK

  • Oct. 27, 2010, 3:22 p.m. CST

    Killik maybe I should've said pop culture

    by quicksilver80

    I just don't see Avatar having the same impact as Star Wars as Turd says, I liked it, but I didn't feel blown away like Star Wars, Matrix or LOTR (the first movies), I'll just have to wait and see

  • Oct. 27, 2010, 3:25 p.m. CST

    SW did have a big cultural impact, AVATAR was forgotten

    by DioxholsterOperationsOutpost

    we wouldnt be talking about AVATAR now if it werent for the sequel news. and FUCK that movie came out just last year!

  • Oct. 27, 2010, 3:28 p.m. CST

    I haven't revisited Avatar since its initial release

    by Kammich

    Saw it in theatres in December, really enjoyed the visuals and use of 3D, but I've yet to revisit the film on DVD or otherwise. I'm not sure if thats an indictment of the film's quality or just the way it affected me, but it says something nonetheless. With that said, I agree with those who say that the sequels are a potentially great thing. Pandora was such a lush and complex visual concept, and Cameron had to spend most of the first film's run time establishing the culture and society of the natives as well as the ecology and wildlife. Now that everyone "knows" what Pandora is all about, it affords Cameron the opportunity to spend the run time of the films actually TELLING A COMPELLING STORY... it affords him two opportunities to do so, actually. Cameron knocked T2 out of the park in that regard, so here's to hoping he does it with these new Avatar films.

  • Oct. 27, 2010, 3:28 p.m. CST

    Jedi is a religion in some places

    by DioxholsterOperationsOutpost

    check it

  • Oct. 27, 2010, 3:28 p.m. CST

    Cameron needs to make good Avatar videogames though

    by KilliK

    The Avatar videogame was crap.He should have given the rights to some other company instead of Ubisoft which they do make good games,but usually they are hit and miss.maybe to the british guys who made God of War and maybe to have spin-off stories which are part of the Avatar universe instead of rehashing the plot of the movie.i would love to play a game about a team of marines using mechs and having Quaritch as their leader in recon missions in the Nigeria war since it was mentioned in the movie.

  • Oct. 27, 2010, 3:29 p.m. CST

    Two films back-to-back

    by The_Motorcycle_Boy

    Hopefully we won't have another Matrix debacle on out hands! I have faith in Cameron as he's delivered two of the best sequels of all time; most people can't deliver one, never mind twice! But what odds on a cliffhanger ending on Avatar 2?

  • Oct. 27, 2010, 3:30 p.m. CST

    Cleopatra w/ Jolie was a BAD idea

    by fassbinder79

    Angelina Jolie is probably the most overrated actress/media personality working in films today. I would rather see Avatar 2, 3 or 4 then watch Jolie attempt to act. I have never understood why people are so obsessed with her. But I have to say that Cameron really should try to do Battle Angel Alita at some point. Too much Avatar is bound to be a bad thing long term. But what do I know? Watch him make another billion with the next 2 films. People can bash the guy all they want but he is a brilliant businessman who just happens to make films that the vasty majority of filmgoers don't mind paying money to see.

  • Oct. 27, 2010, 3:30 p.m. CST

    God that release was sickening

    by malificus

    Do you think Rothman and that other ass-clown were typing that press release with Cameron's pearl jam dripping from their galsses? I mean jeebus, talk about just gushing hyperbole, I really don't give a frog's fatty what numbers that movie pulled in and that a whole legion of pathetic no-life's made such a big deal out of it, that fucking movie was goddamned mediocre at its best. "Unobtainium"? Really? I will call it now Cameron will write and produce the 2nd one but will NOT direct it and by the third movie he'll get writer credit along with like 3 other people but will just cash his check on it. What sycophants."Singular imagination and daring.." Fuck this stupid shit right up it's stupid ass.

  • Oct. 27, 2010, 3:31 p.m. CST

    quicksilver80 you are still comparing different things

    by KilliK

    i have already explained the reason in my previous post.and noone gives a fuck about the Matrix anymore,since the W fuck their property completely with theri 2 crapfest sequels.

  • Oct. 27, 2010, 3:33 p.m. CST

    The Hobbit?

    by mastes360

    A gew people have said that Cameron and Fox have picked those dates so they miss The Hobbit, i have never read anything as ludicrous in my life. AVATAR 2 and 3 will destrpy The Hobbit films in box office, absolutley destroy it in fact AVATAR 2 on its own will gross more than both Hobbit films worldwide. Some right geek fanboys on here, a load of haters as well who we be seeing the films anyway.

  • Oct. 27, 2010, 3:36 p.m. CST

    Diox--I could never watch Avatar more than that 1st time but

    by soma_with_the_paintbox

    that actually sounds like a great idea for a sequel. Too bad it shits all over the "goodwill" Cameron manufactured for his creations, and thus he would never do it.

  • Oct. 27, 2010, 3:37 p.m. CST

    More creatures, less talky talky

    by SoylentMean

    I liked Avatar for its FX work. They should focus on that.

  • Oct. 27, 2010, 3:38 p.m. CST

    Whatever Killik

    by quicksilver80

    It was just my opinion, don't get so worked up about that

  • Oct. 27, 2010, 3:41 p.m. CST

    The_Motorcycle_Boy

    by KilliK

    i would have used as a cliffhanger in the Avatar this: the terran army invades Pandora and conquers most of the Navi tribes.at the end of the movie Jake does a final stand but many Navi are killed in the battle and Jake falls in the jungle presumably dead.The humans capture Neytiri,who is pregnant and thinks that Jake was killed,and many other Navi and they send them back to Earth as war loots and use them as zoo attractions for the curious public.Neytiri in her despair that he lost her mate and her people were destroyed,he starts crying while we see the spaceship leaving Pandora towards Earth.<br /> <p>Then the camera returns to the jungle,and slowly focus on Jake's wounded face where he looks like he is dead.then he opens his angry eyes and the movie ends there.THE END.

  • Oct. 27, 2010, 3:43 p.m. CST

    quicksilver80 i am not saying that your opinion is wrong

    by KilliK

    i am only pointing out that it is pointless since you cant compare two different things.at least wait for Avatar 2 to come out,and see how it goes and then we can talk again.it's nothing personal ok?

  • Oct. 27, 2010, 3:50 p.m. CST

    Avatar 2 will be awesome

    by kwisatzhaderach

    Cameron made two of the best sequels ever made. No brainer.

  • Oct. 27, 2010, 3:50 p.m. CST

    "Cameron needs to make good Avatar videogames though"...

    by FlickaPoo

    ...very true. A great video game is much better and more involving these days than your average action flick. If Cameron wants to really step it up he should make groundbreaking game tie-ins.<P> How about the first truly great 3-D TV console game? Seems like a natural fit, and I think 3-D games will could have a much bigger impact than 3-D movies in the long run.

  • Oct. 27, 2010, 3:52 p.m. CST

    Cameron

    by mastes360

    Also haters, Cameron said in multiple interviews way before he had even started making AVATAR that he always intended it to be a trilogy and that he already had a sotry arc, he's not simply doing it for the money idiots.

  • Oct. 27, 2010, 3:52 p.m. CST

    KilliK

    by The_Motorcycle_Boy

    I thought I read that Cameron said both films will be set on Pandora? Seeing them have a battle on Earth would be very cool - almost like a fulfillment of the promise many felt Alien 3 should have delivered. I can definitely see the pregnancy angle though; motherhood is a theme Cameron has explored in most of his Sci-Fi work.

  • Oct. 27, 2010, 3:54 p.m. CST

    The_Motorcycle_Boy that's correct

    by KilliK

    A2 will be in the sea and A3 in some other moon of Polyphemus.no Navi traveling to Earth which is a pity.

  • Oct. 27, 2010, 3:56 p.m. CST

    FlickaPoo well said

    by KilliK

  • Oct. 27, 2010, 4:02 p.m. CST

    What if they bring a third race

    by quicksilver80

    And wrap it up in Avatar 3 with a huge free for all battle of the ages?

  • Oct. 27, 2010, 4:06 p.m. CST

    Jack Vance is the ultimate world builder

    by Player01

    Still, just for giggles, I read Cugel's Saga every few years, funniest picaresque adventures ever.

  • Oct. 27, 2010, 4:12 p.m. CST

    Forget about a 3-D TV console game

    by TheShrike

    A class A, full featured Avatar MMORPG would be glorious.

  • Oct. 27, 2010, 4:12 p.m. CST

    Quicksilver80

    by mastes360

    Yeah i have said that before and i think thats how it will pan out. Cameron said before that we will be visiting other moons and i think that Jake will use some of the human vehicles left behind and take some Naavi to do a bit of local exploring where they will a new evil alien race that wages war on Pandora. The humans will also come back to Pandora for revenge then in AVATAR 3, the new alien race will also attack Pandora and there will be a huge 3 way battle on Pandora and in space. I also think that in the final battle, the humans will switch sides and side with the Naavi to destroy the new invading alien race. The possibilities are endless realy and no doub't the films will be a sight to behold.

  • Oct. 27, 2010, 4:13 p.m. CST

    Player01

    by quicksilver80

    Yeah Cugel is a riot, Rhialto the Marvellous is funny too. I'm currently reading the Alastor novels.

  • Oct. 27, 2010, 4:20 p.m. CST

    Na'vi Marines

    by The_Motorcycle_Boy

    I can see the humans coming back with more Na'vi hybrids, fulfilling Quartich's dreams of 'a marine in a Na'vi body'. Makes sense as it will counter the physical weaknesses humans concede to them. The human ships sat in orbit so there's no way to disconnect them. Michael Biehn as the new general; Na'vi Biehn versus Jake! I can dream... <p> Wht do you think the time frame will have been in the films? I think it took Jake 6 years travel to Pandora? It will have to be similar for more humans to be involved, unless it's another alien race, of course. Neyteri's father could be dying (cliche, I know...) with Jake about to take over.

  • Oct. 27, 2010, 4:21 p.m. CST

    The script thing...

    by dante76

    Judging by the "complexity" of the first one, if he starts writing the scripts in January 2011 he can very well be done with them in February...

  • Oct. 27, 2010, 4:25 p.m. CST

    er Neytiri's father died in Avatar in case you didnt notice

    by KilliK

    and Jake became the new leader after Tsutey's death since he is wearing the tribal insignia of clan leadership.

  • Oct. 27, 2010, 4:25 p.m. CST

    Films 2 & 3 will resemble...

    by Nautilus_nrm1

    Avatar 2 will resemble The Abyss. Avatar 3 will resemble Titanic. The question is, will Jake be on the fore-deck yelling "I'm king of the universe!".

  • Oct. 27, 2010, 4:32 p.m. CST

    Turd_Has_Risen_From_The_Gravy

    by mastes360

    Yeah i have always thought thats what Cameron should do with the sequels and i hope he does!. The films would be an amazing spectacle all wrapping up with an hour long space and land 3 way battle,what could possibly be better than that!

  • Oct. 27, 2010, 4:35 p.m. CST

    KillK - you're right

    by The_Motorcycle_Boy

    Completely forgot - he dies with Hometree. Apologies. I've not seen it since January.

  • Oct. 27, 2010, 4:43 p.m. CST

    mastes360

    by quicksilver80

    And if it doesn't come to that, they can always try and make a Starcraft movie!

  • Oct. 27, 2010, 4:45 p.m. CST

    ...no, in AVATAR 2 Earth megacorporations realise that...

    by FlickaPoo

    ...Na'vi tourism is far more profitable in the long run than unobtainium mining.<P> New technologies allow for cheaper personalized production of avatars, and extreme remote sensory download puts The Pandora Vacation Experience® within reach of the average Earth Wal-Mart Citizen from the comfort of their own home.<P> Some Na'vi retreat further into the isolated forests of Pandora to avoid pasty blue, beer-bellied, Hawaiian shirt and flip flop wearing Avatourists®, while others become Na'vi-hos...willingly catering to the new arrivals' every need and pleasure...

  • Oct. 27, 2010, 4:46 p.m. CST

    Turd - Woody Allen's avatar will be the real villain

    by The_Motorcycle_Boy

    He'll crush Jake with his wit and intellect, not forgetting his laser targeting spectacles.

  • Oct. 27, 2010, 4:46 p.m. CST

    Oh, so Cameron has to sit in a blue screen room.

    by cookylamoo

    And coach actors about saying lines like "this is our life tree". He doesn't have to worry about sets, costumes, lights, continuity, location or most things a director has to worry about

  • Oct. 27, 2010, 4:57 p.m. CST

    I wouldn't bother...

    by mastes360

    trying to change haters minds, they have their own agenda i.e. Nolan disciples or simply 'cool' people who go against the grain and hate everything thats popular.

  • Oct. 27, 2010, 5:07 p.m. CST

    Avatar was ok as a brainless spectacle but

    by lookylookymoontard

    money is the only reason their will be sequels,and they will also be brainless.Highest grossing film of all time?,really say's a lot about us as a species doesnt it? Fucking Moron's

  • Oct. 27, 2010, 5:19 p.m. CST

    haters?

    by malificus

    You get branded a hater for not loving turds like Avatard, I got branded a troll for daring to criticise DK 2 when it came out. Just because you don't like something doesn't make you a hater, hating something out of jealousy and envy makes you a hater, I am neither I just think Avatar was/is mediocre and that a lot of very sad people seem to want to heap praise on it when it clearly doesn't deserve it. All you Cameron lackeys seem to forget that before Avatar the biggest grossing film was Titanic so what does that tell you. Cameron made some great films back in the day, he honed certain cinematic skills that allow him to gather massive herds of sheep at theaters, but it doesn't make him great or his films even good any more. Avatar was simply a greatest hits collection of Cameron's storytelling devices used to far greater effect in older, better films that apparantly a lot of avatards seemed to have missed because if they were on the ball they'd recognize Cameron's constant re-hashing.

  • Oct. 27, 2010, 5:31 p.m. CST

    malificus is a hater.FACT.

    by KilliK

  • Oct. 27, 2010, 5:37 p.m. CST

    True Lies 2: 911 Times a Billion!

    by UltraTron

    Make it so. If you havent seen avatar since the theater- it gets better and better. It's like a good RPG that continues to grow on you.

  • Oct. 27, 2010, 6:05 p.m. CST

    Read the release

    by malificus

    Cameron said he is "Making the films", George Lucas MADE Empire Strikes Back, he didn't direct it. Cut and paste the sentance where he implicitly states "Directing", I'll wait right here...........still waiting. And who cares what the origin of "unobtainium" is, it's a goddamned stupid-assed name straight up, get your head together man, stop wearing those Avatar t's woven from that polyretard blend. And who's Killik? Anybody know? Anyone? Yeah dude, you're like some sweaty loser wandering a comic con alone striking up conversations with strangers who didn't ask your opinion to start with. Go 'way....shoo.

  • Oct. 27, 2010, 6:06 p.m. CST

    damn i missed it.any link with the video?

    by KilliK

  • Oct. 27, 2010, 6:16 p.m. CST

    Tx for the link turd but it needs registration.

    by KilliK

    but they have it in their youtube channel,here:<br /> <p>http://bit.ly/bVDjAx<br /> <br /> <p>cool video.

  • Oct. 27, 2010, 6:18 p.m. CST

    Turd and Killik sitting in a tree

    by malificus

    heh...heh..childish..`

  • Oct. 27, 2010, 6:23 p.m. CST

    Turd_ ah yes you are right,i can skip it.damn my eyes.

    by KilliK

    it's a pity though that they didnt announce a new movie collaboration.oh well maybe that will happen when Arnie's term ends.anyway.

  • Oct. 27, 2010, 6:37 p.m. CST

    I shit on your Tree of Life! I'm pro-unobtainium! Drill baby d

    by AzulTool

  • Oct. 27, 2010, 6:50 p.m. CST

    ...

    by FlickaPoo

    ..."I shit on your Tree of Life! I'm pro-unobtainium! Drill baby d..."<P> Azul just saw his last shadow mid-sentence.

  • Oct. 27, 2010, 6:52 p.m. CST

    Best news of the week

    by TheFlyingWasp

    Wanted to see him film Cleopatra but this means more Avatar!

  • Oct. 27, 2010, 6:57 p.m. CST

    He hasn't even started the scripts?

    by jwhj2007

    Has he been counting his money this whole time. He should've been done with "Avatar 2" by now. He sure does like to procrastinate. And before anyone says he's been working on the Avatar novel, don't bother. He needs to put his priorities in order. Nobody cares about that novel.

  • Oct. 27, 2010, 6:58 p.m. CST

    To not make the comparison to Dances With Wolves is retarded

    by alienindisguise

    it's clearly the same fucking movie and the people who don't want to admit it are morons. Maybe the sequels will be more original but I'm not counting on it.

  • Oct. 27, 2010, 7:21 p.m. CST

    "simulacrums"?

    by malificus

    What're you, Roy Thomas?

  • Oct. 27, 2010, 7:38 p.m. CST

    Ugh, 2 more of these movies...

    by CountryBoy

    I disliked AVATAR the first time I sw it; gave it another chance and it was actually okay. But it was certainly nothing to get really excited about. I think that shows up culutrally too, despite what a few defenders have said. <p>I can't comment on Chinese people naming mountains after it, but in the U.S. no one ever talks about AVATAR anymore. STAR WARS is still everywhere, from the title of PARKING WARS to political discourse (Obama recently said of Republicans "the Empire is striking back!" -- if he'd said "RDA is coming for Home Tree!" would anyone have even known what he was talking about?) to some guy on the radio imitating Yoda today. Does any character or line of dialogue or event from AVATAR have any resonance outside the movie? It has no traction, no life. I'm sure people will go to the sequels, but if Cameron expects to be "the next Lucas" I really think he's kidding himself.

  • Oct. 27, 2010, 7:51 p.m. CST

    FlickaPoo, that's why I don't believe Aliens physically vist.

    by ganymede3010

    I believe they have the technology to sit as you described it, in the comfort of their own homes, all while having their conscious minds linked to a Avatar that's capable of visitng other worlds.

  • Oct. 27, 2010, 8:03 p.m. CST

    CountryBoy = hater. FACT.

    by KilliK

  • Oct. 27, 2010, 8:34 p.m. CST

    Martrix Sequels

    by Miyamoto_Musashi

    Good to see I am the not only one who hears filming back to back and thinks of the debacle that was Matrix 2 and 3 (though Monica Belucci did look amazing as usual). <p> But saying that I have much more faith in Cameron, and I also think with Avatar being a much more simple timeless story, there is an opportunity to go more complex in terms of story and characters, creating a world that has many more stories to be told. <p> Personally I prefer my triologies as well thought out story arcs, but again I am not going to be too critical as its Cameron, the same reason I am not worried at all about Batman 3, even with an uninspiring title. <p>

  • Oct. 27, 2010, 8:52 p.m. CST

    Cameron should move on

    by justmyluck

    There's just so many things a filmmaker with that much power and money can do that are, well, risky...not just 'visual-effects risky'. The 'mythmaking' blurbs are what happens when a filmmaker scores loot with an accessible genre movie. Pocahontas in outer space. Romeo and Juliet on the Titanic. More than one alien...Aliens!! Even having Ripley escape during a computer countdown and blow the final alien out of the airlock...again! No mistake, Cameron knows what he's doing, but I'm afraid its just a move from cabled and hydraulic creatures to digital puppet shows.

  • Oct. 27, 2010, 9:08 p.m. CST

    "greatest issues facing our planet?"

    by cgih8r

    "who also raised the consciousness of people worldwide to some of the greatest issues facing our planet." Did anyone else get a good laugh out of that statement? I sure as hell did.

  • Oct. 27, 2010, 9:53 p.m. CST

    ...ganymede, I've long suspected Jesus was an Avatar...

    by FlickaPoo

    ...downloaded into human form for our sins.

  • Oct. 27, 2010, 10:20 p.m. CST

    I don't buy the Jesus thing..

    by ganymede3010

    But your first statement was solid. Jesus was invented by man.

  • Oct. 27, 2010, 10:29 p.m. CST

    Country

    by Phategod2

    Star wars lost most of its relevance (SP) with those piss poor prequels. If you ask me the very 1st movie was overrated.

  • Oct. 27, 2010, 10:46 p.m. CST

    ...don't worry, ganymede...

    by FlickaPoo

    ...I was being preposterous.<P> I thought it would be funny for an AVATAR sequel to have Jakesully become a messiah figure...taken Na'vi form for their sins.<P> THE LIFE OF BRIAN on Pandora.

  • Oct. 27, 2010, 11:17 p.m. CST

    The entire hater whining about ST and Avatar

    by quantize

    all together...every whiny shitty little Jar Jar and Smurf micro cocked bitching comment didn't change the fact both films were incredibly enjoyable and entertaining. You're utterly dead inside if you couldn't find some genuine thrills in either.

  • Oct. 27, 2010, 11:19 p.m. CST

    More like Turd from up James Cameron's ass.

    by cookylamoo

    Really, he seems to have no problem with hating on the other posters here.

  • Oct. 28, 2010, 12:12 a.m. CST

    Braindrain......hey dude, whats up? Well, I

    by southafricanguy

    personally like Del Toro's films, but I see where you are coming from. I honestly have no idea at what point fandom became so insular. It does seem that there are only certain film makers that are now seen as "geek" directors. You know? That ate chummy with geek sites (think Edgar wright etc...) and who are what many consider "removed from the mainstream". And it seems for a film maker to be a populist film maker is also now a dirty word. Frankly braindrain, it amazes me how some are obsessed with hating Cameron, not least because the guy has undeniably had a huge impact on genre/geek film making. But it seems many are angry that he does nt make the kind of films they want him to make, or their are weird personal/political issues at play...either way I know Im not interested in fandom's current attitude. I think we are lucky to still have Spileberg, Cameron, Scott, Zemekis et al still making films and still being passionate about making films. Even flawed, their films are still often better than a lot of the stuff that gets made imho...

  • Oct. 28, 2010, 12:15 a.m. CST

    Miyamoto...I hear you buddy, I also like a

    by southafricanguy

    arc that stretches over two films if they are going to be shot back to back. But I guess that Cameron is avoiding that outright because of the problems with the Matrix and POTC sequals. One of the major complaints with both has always been those cliff hanger endings. And such endings are nt endings per se, just an end to the film and thus imho unsatisfying for an audience. It might be a very smart thing to avoid that....

  • Oct. 28, 2010, 12:16 a.m. CST

    Quantize....hey dude, hows it going? Long tim

    by southafricanguy

    e no see.

  • Oct. 28, 2010, 12:40 a.m. CST

    I didn't like it simply because......

    by archer1949

    I don't like movies with paper thin characters and a storyline where every single beat can be predicted just by watching the teaser trailer. Yes it was pretty, but that wore very thin very quickly and I grew bored. No anger or socio political axe to grind: I simply found it a boring ass movie.

  • Oct. 28, 2010, 1 a.m. CST

    Archer...I share some of your issues, but for

    by southafricanguy

    me its also how the story is told. How many films are truly suprising anyway? There are simply only so many types of stories. I find myself rarely suprised by stories anymore, so I look for how its told, or a fresh or different spin on a particular type of story. But imho Avatar felt like a set up/origin story, and those are always my least favorite or the least interesting. I always find sequals (when it comes to pulp serial storytelling) to be more interesting, and really when the real story begins so to speak. But either way we will just have to wait and see, wont we?

  • Oct. 28, 2010, 1 a.m. CST

    But I m willing to give Cameron the benefit of

    by southafricanguy

    the doubt based on his track record with sequals....

  • Oct. 28, 2010, 3:07 a.m. CST

    Hmm..interersting point. I love Blade Runner

    by southafricanguy

    certainly one of my favorite sci-fi films, but its also true the characters arent exactly deeply fleshed out are they? Funny that BR was heavily criticized by many back in the day for being all about the visuals....

  • Oct. 28, 2010, 4:11 a.m. CST

    I can see why this movie

    by Ghostball

    made so much bank; there's no doubting it looked wonderful - but as a compelling work of fiction... come ON, people, I feel like I'm taking crazy pills here...!

  • Oct. 28, 2010, 4:21 a.m. CST

    What I'm hoping to hell for...

    by Ghostball

    ...in the sequels is that we get a return to character charisma and believability that Cameron used to create so effortlessly - even the cheesy young John Connor had a spark of anarchy completely missing from any of the invariably safe stereotypes - Everyman Dude; Jungle-smart,long-suffering native girl in need of a good rogering by the white guy; retarded corporate dullard; mercenary, cigar-chomping ballbreaker - actually, even this list has too much depth compared to what we got the first time around...

  • Oct. 28, 2010, 5:10 a.m. CST

    THESE FILMS WILL FINALLY DISPEL THE MYTH

    by sansara07

    that Jimbo is a great maker of sequels. That horseshit myth has been around for years and I'm DELIGHTED he's going a massive MASSIVE hit with these sequels. Aliens was a great sequel? Dogshit. Compared to Alien it was a FUCKING LAME TV MOVIE. Its full title should be Aliens (TVM). It LOOKED AND FELT like late night TV with every hamfisted TV cliché in the book. Ripley becomes a glorified baby sitter with Newt being the new Jones the cat. She falls for the prettiest boy soldier (didn't see that coming!). The marine who is dumb and panicks and loses his cool comes from the South (how original!). ALL the black characters are conveniently chomped early on (whereas in Alien the black guy was one of the last survivors). It was pure TV land m'dears. And I haven't yet touched upon the TV level production of the thing. It looks and feel cheap, and you can hear Jimbo telling the lighting crew "Blue gel for this scene! Red gel for that scene! Blue gel for this scene! Red gel for that scene!" What a fucking hack.<P>Another fallacy is Terminator 2 is a good sequel. BULLSHIT. Its a FUCKING TERRIBLE sequel. Essentially a remake of the first (another chase movie Jim? Really?) it reduced Ahnold to a cheesball goof autistic sidekick of Eddie Furlong's hip hipster cool teen. He has the hair in his eyes, he has the attitude, he is wearing a Public Enemy T-shirt because ya know he's a public enemy! Yeah Jim, subtlety was never your strong suit was it??? Again we have the token black guy who is conveniently offed, again we have Jimbo's "red gel! Blue gel!" lighting techniques, again we have fucking cornball dialog ("Why do you cry?" - BARF) straight from TV land m'dears. Terminator 2 (TVM).<P>Oh, and if you want more proof Jimbo SUCKS at sequels, look no further than his brilliant debut (snigger) PIRANHA 2!!! Yes, Cameronoids, it IS his debut and you can bitch all you want but you know its true. He was on set for two and a half weeks, he hated what he saw because it showed just how fucking limited he is, so he FLEW TO ROME, BROKE INTO THE EDITING SUITE, AND RECUT THE FILM. Yeah that really makes sense he had nothing to do with it, right? Piranha 2 is Jimbo's debut, and he hasn't improved by much.<P>So I am DELIGHTED he's going to make a COMPLETE ASS of himself with Avaturds 2 and 3. It took him, ahem, ten years to write his first bowel movement which was Avatar. Now he's writing two more in a year? BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA. This is going to be SOOOOOOOOOOO much fun for me, I can't wait. Finally FINALLY the final Jimbo myth will be dispelled for good. The world now knows he CAN'T WRITE FOR SHIT thanks to Avaturd 1, now the world will know HE CAN'T MAKE SEQUELS FOR SHIT. He's going to get so fucking embarrassed he won't make another movie again. He'll slink his way into his submersible and disappear under the waves NEVER TO BE SEEN AGAIN. CAN'T FUCKING WAIT.

  • Oct. 28, 2010, 5:33 a.m. CST

    Arnold in Avatar would break the Internet

    by David Cloverfield

    Would fucking love him to be the "Big Bad" of the series. Head of the efforts to re-take Pandora. Also: the more I think about the movie, I realize if humanity's only chance for survival is under that tree, then the Na'vi and Woringhton are enormous dicks. I hope it's addressed in the sequel.

  • Oct. 28, 2010, 6:18 a.m. CST

    Ahnold in Avatar 2? BWAHAHHAHAHAHA

    by sansara07

    Yeah I can really see Ahnold and Sigourney Weaver's wrinkly asses in this pigshit sequel. Jimbo should call it AVATAR 2: BOTOX LAKE. Ahnold, Weaver and Linda Hamilton travel to Pandora in search of the mythical Botox Lake which is sacred to the Na'vi. They plan to pump the botox into their ship so they will have a lifetime supply. But Weaver's dentures fall out, Ahnold's plastic hip dislodges and Linda Hamilton's incontinence pants get torn. Ahnold is then given a prostrate examination by Neytiri (a guy of his age needs one) and the climax is Weaver has a hysterectomy conducted by the Na'Vi and her womb is eaten by them for dessert. BOX OFFICE GOLD. BWAHAHAHAHAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA.

  • Oct. 28, 2010, 7 a.m. CST

    "self contained stories that also fulfill a greater story arc

    by detectivesoap

    I love how there is an implied alternative to this. No wonder why most sequels suck. Somebody in Hollywood didn't read "cohesive- and -enjoyable-trilogy" memo that got destroyed somehow post Last Crusade.

  • Oct. 28, 2010, 7:05 a.m. CST

    I STILL HAVE NOT SEEN AVATAR YET

    by Darth Busey

  • Oct. 28, 2010, 7:12 a.m. CST

    And i

    by Sprinky

    will not be there. Sorry Cameron i'm keeping my money in my pocket.

  • Oct. 28, 2010, 7:13 a.m. CST

    Need something like True Lies again.

    by wadi77

    That was fun.

  • Oct. 28, 2010, 7:16 a.m. CST

    oh shit the haters have gone berserk

    by KilliK

    ATTENTION EVERYBODY ATTENTION.the haters have gone berserk.please ignore them for at least one day,otherwise you will suffer their pathetic bumblings and sad excuse of their existence for no necessary reason.you have been warned.

  • Oct. 28, 2010, 8:08 a.m. CST

    I'm cool with the sequels...

    by Marathoner

    ...but JC seriously needs to amp up the story telling. Avatar truly was a retelling of Dances with Wolves, and, more recently, The Last Samurai.

  • Oct. 28, 2010, 8:16 a.m. CST

    I wonder if I'm just jaded...

    by Prof. Pop-Cult

    I thought Avatar had great hyper-realistic CG, and alien world building production design, but the thought of sitting through two sequels in the coming years feels like a chore.

  • Oct. 28, 2010, 8:25 a.m. CST

    I certainly don't hate Avatar...

    by Ghostball

    ...nor anyone who likes it - but people like me just know that Cameron is capable of far better, feel let down that Avatar wasn't better, and are hoping (since we have no influence on what Cameron's future projects are) that the sequels will at least recapture the tension, gravity and humour of his post-Piranha 2, pre-Titanic material. He used to have a knack of making unpredictable movies that nevertheless have a sense of inevitability - a very, very tricky balancing act, but essential for any rivetting thriller. Perhaps for the sequels he won't feel he needs to spoon-feed people to get the drift of Pandora, and can craft characters that appeal not only to the Titanic crowd, but to people who who really live for movies - sad as that may sound to people who don't.

  • Oct. 28, 2010, 8:36 a.m. CST

    Turd

    by Stalkeye

    2018? shit, the way things are going nowadays, either we'll all be dead or fucking too broke to see BA. While King Cameron will be nestled in his Mansion 2000 depths below. You are right about Dances with Wolves being an influence to Avatar's concept just as a Kurosawa's Hidden Fortress has influenced Star Wars.Although, SW is less deriviative than Avatar.I eventually plan on seeing the expanded edition just to judge what (content) should have stayed in and what should have been left on the cutting room floor.

  • Oct. 28, 2010, 8:54 a.m. CST

    sansara07

    by Stalkeye

    Don't you know that in Horrorwood, it's traditional to kill off Black people early in?At least in Romero's NOTLD, The Black protagonist was the last to survive the zombie onslaught only to be killed off by *gasps* Rednecks, the same kinda rednecks who are within the Tea party Movement.<p>As for Aliens, i strongly digress, it's actually my fav Cameron film, second to Terminator.A great ensemble cast,funny ass dialog,cool mechanical effects courtesy of Stan winston and not to mention, a major influence in sci fi films and even videogames like Contra and of course HALO. <p>I like the comment about John Conner wearing the PE shirt as if he's "Hip". instead of pretentous.(One would think he should be sporting a GnR shirt since they made a video for the film.)Or....it could be Cam's nod to Public Enemy's DJ Terminator X.<P>Miles Dyson character is less condescending as Jim like the idea of a scientific genius being Black instead of the arctypical Caucasian.that was a bold move IMO and far from being a stereotype.(can't say the same for Lucas' Jar Jar Binks or Bay's Ghettobots.)<p>Jim's no hack although I take umbrage with his decisions mostly because I see great potentual in other projects.

  • Oct. 28, 2010, 9:32 a.m. CST

    It would be nice though...

    by Ghostball

    ...if Cameron could create at least one black character who at least survives into the third act...

  • Oct. 28, 2010, 9:34 a.m. CST

    ...Miles's wife and kids don't count -

    by Ghostball

    - as they literally disappear once Miles gets his game on - and are hardly lynchpins...

  • Oct. 28, 2010, 9:43 a.m. CST

    Article doesn't show any love to Terminator films.

    by Tikidonkeypunch

  • Oct. 28, 2010, 10:37 a.m. CST

    "I am interested in going back to Pandora." ??????

    by notcher

    What a gay sounding thing to say. These movies bore me already. Who fucking cares?

  • Oct. 28, 2010, 11:32 a.m. CST

    Oh - Ver - Ay - Ted!

    by BizarroJerry

    clap clap clapclapclap

  • Oct. 28, 2010, 11:33 a.m. CST

    sigh

    by Wookie_1995

    If all hollywood had to offer is blue CGI cats....tyen... I feel I must do something drastic...(BLAM)

  • Oct. 28, 2010, 12:18 p.m. CST

    Cameron wrote Strange Days? Don't recall..

    by Stalkeye

    ..however the movie itself was a crock of shit. Angela Basset couldnt save it from being the disaster it was.Well, at least Bigelow made up for it with The Hurt Locker.

  • Oct. 28, 2010, 12:29 p.m. CST

    Wow, these films

    by 420 Boylston St

    takes a long time to make.

  • Oct. 28, 2010, 12:56 p.m. CST

    Good points unparanoid

    by Stalkeye

    If Apone had survived till the 3rd act, he probably would have stole the thunder from Ripley/Weaver, and she cant have THAT shit happensince she's the main protagonist.Apone is one of the characters who stood out in Aliens alongside Hudson,Hicks,Bishop and of course Vasquez. but yeah, that was a "Bad call". (pun intended)<p>dyson being killed off in such a fashion (The Po Po) was too convenient if not 'typical".He should have made it near the end as well there could have been more storytelling potentual there. doesnt matter, I still prefer the 1st terminator over the sequel

  • Oct. 28, 2010, 12:58 p.m. CST

    Very disappointing news

    by Beezbo

    Not because I hate Avatar (yes, I'm a hater), but because I generally like Cameron and now he'll be tied up with this trilogy for years.

  • Oct. 28, 2010, 1:09 p.m. CST

    I like Avatar..

    by SK229

    I don't love it. I am happy that Cameron kicked the naysayers in the nuts by making it the most successful film of all time. You don't see that kind of success happy very often, and I think it's exciting when it does, because unless someone is a fucking child rapist or Hitler, I don't begrudge anyone massive success. But honestly, even the Star Wars prequels managed to put in more interesting alien life forms that, just looking at them, you can imagine a whole host of possibilities for their back-story/origins. The rogue's gallery of bounty hunters in Empire, however brief, could have been a movie in and of itself. It's like the original design aspect of movies is truly dead and we just keep getting the same shit over and over again or, worse, uninspired new shit. I think video games are partially to blame. You go back to the 80's and it's as if characters in genre films, even ones like 'The Goonies' were designed so as to differentiate more between people (comic book-like, really) and then they fill that in with character traits. I think this was one of Avatar's chief failings and why I could never put him in the same league as Lucas when it comes to world-building. For fuck's sake, the first 30 minutes of ANH alone introduce us to a dizzying array of ships, robots, vehicles, humans, and landscapes. AND there's a great story behind it that is a synthesis of many influences, rather than a slightly altered exact copy. The only real excuse would be that because of how much money was going into this first film, and how close to the bleeding edge (forget close, they WERE the bleeding edge) Cameron and his team got with Avatar, they had to stick with a safe narrative and not go too crazy throwing shit at the screen. I sincerely hope that he goes bugnuts, Star Wars/LOTR style in building and expanding this universe and takes the Na'vi well beyond their confines on Pandora... hell, bring in another alien race, make Pandora a meeting point between humans and some other sort of first contact (but make this other race technologically advanced beyond humans), just EXPAND THE FUCKING WORLD as much as you can while telling a more interesting story.

  • Oct. 28, 2010, 1:29 p.m. CST

    Think of Avatar as a drop dead gorgeous

    by bobbofatz

    woman. Everybody wants to bang her, but few want to marry her because she is a shallow simpleton. Now imagine her twin sister has brains, who you decide to propose to. She is Avatar2! Avatar3 is their hot cousin that likes to join in on the fun.

  • Oct. 28, 2010, 1:33 p.m. CST

    James Cameron also cast Jessica Alba as the lead

    by Quadrillionaire

    in Dark Angel. Not a racist.

  • Oct. 28, 2010, 2:05 p.m. CST

    Good points as well Turd.

    by Stalkeye

    .."Apone was a cool character, but it was important to kill off the leader as surprise and to up the threat, just as Dallas died midway through Alien."<P>Can't argue with that, however, i felt Apone's demise was a bit too early in the game.Don't compare cameron to the Wachowskis, after the first matrix, the franchise went downhill from there and not to mention how Speed Racer sucked.Ninja assassin was more of a big budgeted B-Movie.("allusions to historical fallacies like the Black Israelites, in the Matrix sequels"? heh, I mustv'e overlooked a few things while watching the sequel Reloaded.<p>SW is more of my thing than say, Avatar regardless if it's pure fantasy, whereas Avatar is more grounded. (i.e. believable Sci Fi)i find the escapism inspiring as it had set the precedent for many sci fi sub genres so no, there shouldn't be any comparisons after all.

  • Oct. 28, 2010, 2:33 p.m. CST

    Apone AND Gorman had to go,because the story

    by KilliK

    needed to focus to the female action-star protagonist of the movie.how else could Ripley show-case her tough-ness,courage,composure and leadership skills and attitude,if Apone and Gorman were around barking orders? from the moment that Gorman fucked up in the Reactor battle,Ripley took charge of the situation and ofc charge of the story.after all the movie it is about Ripley.

  • Oct. 28, 2010, 3:16 p.m. CST

    I'm glad he is doing these instead of Cleopatra

    by lv_426

    Although the first Avatar seems like it doesn't need a sequel, I have faith in Cameron to deliver some great sequels. T2 and Aliens were two of the best sequels ever. So I'm gonna just not worry about the next two Avatar films based on the strength of his past work.

  • Oct. 28, 2010, 3:18 p.m. CST

    Battle Angel would have been awesome though

    by lv_426

    I think that at this point, Cameron should hand Battle Angel over to someone else to direct. As long as it is someone who can handle it, and most importantly, is passionate about making it the best it can be. Maybe with a good director and Cameron exec. producing, we could still get a kick ass Battle Angel Alita adaptation?

  • Oct. 28, 2010, 3:23 p.m. CST

    I saw the Avatar Porn movie and

    by GornPirate

    I'm still disappointed their vaginas were not blue.

  • Oct. 28, 2010, 3:25 p.m. CST

    i agree. Cameron should Alita to someone else to direct it.

    by KilliK

    preferably Blokamp since that director loves everything that has to do with robots.Come on Jim,do it,DO IT NOW.

  • Oct. 28, 2010, 3:36 p.m. CST

    Only way I'll watch the sequel...

    by darthvedder81

    Is if it's all about a new group of marines going into Pandora to finish the job and wipe out all those unlikable, sanctimonious, whiney cat people. I cheered when that tree blew up.

  • Oct. 28, 2010, 3:46 p.m. CST

    You know...

    by SebastianHaff

    I realize it's cool and hip to bash on Avatar now, but I really only had one problem with it, and it wasn't the the fucking Dances With Wolves connection. Thing is, I remember Cameron in the 80's being kind of dangerous. In T2, a movie lots of Cameron fans consider to be a pussy version of the first, they fucking kill cops and innocent bystanders! Kids cuss and get hurt. People died painfully. Don't even get me started on Aliens. Even True Lies, a silly blow shit up movie, was actually pretty fuckin' violent and hardcore. I want to see that bone crushing approach taken with Avatar. Let alien monsters on Pandora fucking tear people and unsuspecting Na'vi to shreds. I want to see the Na'vi in human led concentration camps, pushed to the brink, till they have no choice but violent retaliation. I want those big balls Cameron has in the effects world to be matched by the big balls he used to have toward on screen violence and badass-ery.

  • Oct. 28, 2010, 4:18 p.m. CST

    Actually SebastianHaff Cameron had scripted and filmed

    by KilliK

    a lot of scenes which show-cased how dangerous Pandora really was and how fragile the life of both Navi and humans were in that very hostile environment.but he had to cut a lot of those scenes because of budget and time-restraints.

  • Oct. 28, 2010, 7:37 p.m. CST

    Good call Killik

    by Dead_Flag_Blues

    I would love to see what Blomkamp could do with a bigger budget on something like Battle Angel Alita. That would be fuckin' killer. <P> Still dissapointed that we most likely won't see Cameron's version... but shit, i say hand it over to someone else so it can get done already. Especially to a new, up-and-comer, with loads of potential like Blomkamp.

  • Oct. 28, 2010, 7:40 p.m. CST

    And agreed about the Avatar "haters"...

    by Dead_Flag_Blues

    Fuck 'em and their simplistic "critique" or "analysis" of that fantastic flick. You know someone doesn't have an argument once they pull out the fucking RACE CARD. <P> lmao sweet jesus...

  • Oct. 28, 2010, 7:50 p.m. CST

    Definitely looking forward to the second Avatar film...

    by Dead_Flag_Blues

    My only knock on the first flick (besides Worthington being kind of a waste of celluloid), would be the simple (although effective) plot and themes... I don't want to see Jim play it safe in the sequels. I hope he takes some chances while really expanding the mythos of the story. <P> I'm diggin' the underwater angle he's apparently taking with the sequel. I love the idea that Jim is gonna dive the Mariana Trench to film this. That's why i will always have nothing but respect for this brilliant motherfucker. He's a fantastic film-maker, as well as an artist, scientist, and a tech-savvy inventor. <P> Dude's freakin' amazing.

  • Oct. 28, 2010, 11:48 p.m. CST

    Cameron a racist?

    by Hipshot

    Not consciously. But "Avatar" was his first film where a black male character survived. The first. Terminator, Terminator Two, Alien. Total wipeout. Finally in Avatar, there are a couple of black characters (who each have a line of dialog or two) who aren't killed onscreen. He's no more racist than the average guy, but no more conscious, either.

  • Oct. 29, 2010, 12:04 a.m. CST

    deadfglagblues...........my thoughts exactly

    by southafricanguy

    dude regarding the Avatar sequals.

  • Oct. 29, 2010, 12:07 a.m. CST

    Sebastion Haff...........I know what youre

    by southafricanguy

    saying brother. Your sentiments are very much one of the main things I hope Cameron does differently with the sequals. Especially as he now has total fuck you clout....

  • Oct. 29, 2010, 12:13 a.m. CST

    LV426.....Awsome call dude. If Cameron aint

    by southafricanguy

    gonna do BAA, then he should absolutely give it to someone like Blomkamp. Him directing and Cameron being his 1000 lb gorilla producer. Actually for my money Blomkamp is like the old Cameron and it would be awsome to see what those two could come up with...

  • Oct. 29, 2010, 12:20 a.m. CST

    SDK229.....Amen dude. Cameron does indeed

    by southafricanguy

    need to seriously expand the Avatarverse, and tell far more interesting stories set in said Avatarverse. I really like your idea of Camerin introducing other alien races, but technologically advanced ones....

  • Oct. 29, 2010, 1:12 a.m. CST

    Hipshot - Avatar had black characters?

    by Kain_Bloodstone

    You mean that black techie guy who had about five lines of dialog? Does he even count? I agree that Cameron is not "consciously racist" but he is no more or less racist than most white Hollywood directors in terms of the choices he makes. He only has the "token colored guy/gal" in his films. The police sergeant in T1, Apone in Aliens, One Night in Abyss, Dyson in T2, that Arab American in True Lies. And they all either bought it before the final act, or they were of little or no significance other than just being the "colored person" in the movie. Titanic and Avatar had no colored characters of note whatsoever (Zoe Saldana doesn't really count because we only see her as a blue alien). Cameron does what just about every other director in Hollywood - makes sure that the beautiful causcasian couple are the main focus of the story. Hardly groundbreaking.

  • Oct. 29, 2010, 8:06 a.m. CST

    Actually Avatar has 3 black actors,2 latina actresses and a

    by KilliK

    Native-Indian actor,so calling Big Jim a racist is only one more instance of pathetic sycophancy from the retarded haters.

  • Oct. 29, 2010, 9:19 a.m. CST

    Damn Dirty Ape

    by Hipshot

    Cameron has black actors, and prior to Avatar KILLED THEM ALL. People on this board consider him a liberal tree-hugger if he represents a "liberal" ecological point of view--but he didn't kill all the corporatists and/or soldiers. Racism is maintaining a differential worth between different groups. Sorry, but killing off all members of a group consistently tells me all I need to know about your valuation of that group. Of COURSE you are blind to this--it probably works to your advantage. I doubt you can name a single American movie in which every white man died, but non-whites survived. You don't consider it racist to kill every member of a specific group. You have a very, very tolerant attitude toward cinematic genocide.

  • Oct. 29, 2010, 9:24 a.m. CST

    Oh, and remember--

    by Hipshot

    I'm not talking about a single film--I'm talking about an entire body of work. Either no black men, or he killed them. And you call Spike Lee a racist for COMPLAINING about things like this, but simultaneously give your favorites a pass for actually doing it. And Spike has had wonderful, fully fleshed white characters who survive, have hopes and dreams and sexuality. I'm not talking to people like you. I'm talking to the reasonable folks who get to notice that I'm being polite, and offering equal humanity to both sides (I never said Cameron was racist. I said he was typical of someone allowing their unconscious preferences to surface in their work). You take more offense in my mentioning it than I take in actually seeing it play out. Until you see films in which every white character gets slaughtered, while blacks and Asians romp, you haven't the slightest idea how it feels, or what it means.

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