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James Cameron Talks Two AVATAR Sequels, Hints At Sigourney Weaver's Return, And More!!

Merrick here...
At a recent press day for the upcoming Blu-Ray re-issuance of AVATAR - featuring an even longer edit of the film than was recently re-released into theaters (it'll also be available on standard DVD) - James Cameron discussed the status of future AVATAR films. In short, the plan seems to be two shoot AVATAR sequels - and release them approximately one year apart. Cameron pointedly says he will not work on another film in-between the shooting of said sequels, although he does confirm recent reports that he's very seriously looking into directing Angelina Jolie's CLEOPATRA project before diving into further AVATAR pictures. That project, scripted by Brian Helgeland, would be built from a book by Stacy Schiff . More on these matters, including Cameron's discussion of the challenges of writing an AVATAR novel, and the possibility of Sigourney Weaver's return in the movie sequels, can be found over at Coming Soon.
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  • Oct. 20, 2010, 11:42 a.m. CST


    by Stabby

  • Oct. 20, 2010, 11:45 a.m. CST

    I call bullshit

    by Stalkeye

    Weaver's retuning for another avatar sequel? So i guess there were no true sign of pathos during her death scene.lemme guess, she'll return as a spirit to guide jake sully and learn the ways of pandora's midiachlorans...<p>...oops!

  • Oct. 20, 2010, 11:45 a.m. CST

    Cameron should make Cleopatra

    by TinDrummer

    A change of pace.. And it will be awesome!

  • Oct. 20, 2010, 11:45 a.m. CST

    "to shoot two" Merrick..

    by son_of_ebert

    yup yup

  • Oct. 20, 2010, 11:46 a.m. CST

    will there be a story worth telling?

    by ImMorganFreeman

    Or more hippie crap and FX?

  • Oct. 20, 2010, 11:47 a.m. CST

    Cleopatra will be fucking your ey3Dalls!

    by Stalkeye

  • Oct. 20, 2010, 11:50 a.m. CST

    I like the idea of a Cleopatra film...

    by RETURN_of_FETT

    And I like the idea of Jolie playing her....Jolie of 15 years ago that is. Come on, Cleopatra was fucking 18 when all that began!

  • Oct. 20, 2010, 11:50 a.m. CST

    They should do a sequel to Being John Malkovich called

    by HapaPapa72

    of course, Being James Cameron. Just imagine what goes on in his head.

  • Oct. 20, 2010, 11:52 a.m. CST

    by Cobra--Kai

    "Though Cameron's name has recently been brought up in connection with Cleopatra (with Angelina Jolie tentatively attached to star), Cameron announced that it was currently undetermined whether or not he'd come aboard that specific project."<p> "I haven't made any decisions about that," were Cameron's exact words

  • Oct. 20, 2010, 11:53 a.m. CST

    No to Cleo Yes to Alitia

    by UGG

    Cameron cannot make Cleopatra. For one it begins with a C. And I really don't want to watch another Jolie vanity project. Fuck that big lipped crazy bitch.

  • Oct. 20, 2010, 11:53 a.m. CST

    by Cobra--Kai

    Merrick, that's what the article says. Bit of a stretch for you to claim he's "seriously looking into directing CLEOPATRA".

  • Oct. 20, 2010, 11:56 a.m. CST

    Jolie 15 years ago...

    by HapaPapa72

    Sigh...pre-Brad,pre-Billy Bob...meat on her bones....I forget...was Gia about this time?

  • Oct. 20, 2010, 11:57 a.m. CST

    what plots will he recycle for the sequels?

    by knowthyself

  • Oct. 20, 2010, 11:58 a.m. CST

    Olivia Cockburn for the lead. Who in the fuck!?

    by UltraTron

    gets hot for angelina Jolie? Cameron? I guess she's the cat's pajamas for guys who like to fuck old moms

  • Oct. 20, 2010, noon CST

    Hulk back on TV?

    by donkingkong

  • Oct. 20, 2010, 12:01 p.m. CST

    I will never watch this film...

    by billyhitchcock1

    ...or it's sequels. ever. go suck a dick mr cameron.

  • Oct. 20, 2010, 12:04 p.m. CST

    Has there EVER been a good "trilogy"...

    by Nasty In The Pasty

    ...where the two sequels are shot simultaneously?

  • Oct. 20, 2010, 12:05 p.m. CST

    so cleopatra is attacked in egypt by the invading marines...

    by alice133

  • Oct. 20, 2010, 12:07 p.m. CST

    by Cobra--Kai

    1st movie was based on DANCES WITH WOLVES. 2nd movie will be based on WATERWOLD. 3rd movie to be based on THE POSTMAN.<p> "The blueprint is there" states Cameron "Costner showed us all the way - and yes I'm taking influences from TIN CUP too. Who's to say the Navi don't golf?"

  • Oct. 20, 2010, 12:10 p.m. CST

    by Cobra--Kai

    When pressed to elaborate on the TIN CUP influence for the AVATAR sequels, Cameron responded...<p> "You remember the company guy with the golf putter. Well maybe he left that putter behind... that's all i'm prepared to say for now."

  • Oct. 20, 2010, 12:18 p.m. CST

    by Cobra--Kai

    Kevin Costner has responded angrily to the news that Cameron plans to use his back catalogue for the forthcoming AVATAR films.<p> "I didn't see a dime of that AVATAR money" fumes Costner "I mean the lead guy was a direct copy of my character John Dunbar. He even had the same first name."<p> "What, he was called Jake? Jake John - ITS THE SAME FUCKING THING! FUCK YOU CAMERON! IM THE KING OF WATERWORLD! ME! MEEEEEE!"

  • Oct. 20, 2010, 12:20 p.m. CST

    Finished the screenplay already!

    by Odog

    It took him 15 minutes whilst taking a crap this morning. 12 years my ass!

  • Oct. 20, 2010, 12:24 p.m. CST


    by mooseaka

    (SPOILERS!!!)<P> AVATAR 2 (working title AVATAR REBORN)<P> The movie opens with Jake dreaming of Neytiri falling to her death. The Na'vi learn of an impending invasion by human forces. Sully and Neytiri learn through an oracle that they must seek out a keymaker who can unlock the door to the "Source Tree". Meanwhile, Colonel Quartich, believed to be dead at the end of Avatar has returned in Na'vi form, and suddenly has gained the ability to infect Na'vi with copies of himself, creating an army of Na'vi with Quartich's personality. Jake encounters a group of Quartich clones after meeting the oracle Na'vi and barely escapes. Sully and Neytiri meet the Na'vimingian who is a mysterous Na'vi who controls his own army of avatars, who are neither human nor Na'vi, but have their own place in Na'vi society. Jake and Neytiri kidnap the Keymaker, who was being held prisoner by the Navimingian, who then unleashes his rogue avatars on Jake and Neytiri. This results in a long chase sequence on a highway that had been left behind by the humans. Jake and Neytiri escape with the keymaker, who leads Jake to the Source Treet. Meanwhile Neytiri gets into a fight with a band of leftover humans, which results her her being shot in the heart and falling from a tall tree, similar to Jake's dream. Meanwhile, within the Source Tree, Jake meets "The Engineer" who is a human in Na'vi form. The Engineer explains to Jake that he is not the first human to become a Na'vi, rather he is the sixth generation of his kind. The Engineer then tells Jake that he has to make a choice between saving Neytiri or saving all of the Na'vi, but sacrificing himself to the Source Tree. Jake chooses love, and is able to fly to save Neytiri right before she falls to her death. He pulls the bullet from her heart and revives her with a kiss. Moments later, human ships arrive, which Jake is able to disable telepathically given his human past, however Jake falls into a coma. The final shot is Jake on a table in a Na'vi hospital, side-by-side with one of the Colonel Quartich clones.<P><P> AVATAR 3: (working title AVATAR REVOLUTIONS)<P> The humans show up in force and really mess up the Na'vi. Sully fights a bunch of Quartich clones. He dies, but kills the main Quartich clone which kills the rest. Neytiri dies. Somehow this gets the humans to back off. The comic relief character announces to all of the remaining Na'vi that Jake did it! (YAY!). Meanwhile the Oracle, the Engineer and a little indian girl watch the sun rise.

  • Oct. 20, 2010, 12:25 p.m. CST

    Nasty in the Pasty

    by Knuckleface

    Good question. I'm scanning my memory... The Back to the Future sequels were the first I can recall to be filmed simultaneously, and while BttF II had its charms, BttF III is a lame and cliche-ridden television episode of a finale. The Matrix sequels sucked, we know that. Maybe a foreign trilogy? Chinese Ghost Story 2 & 3? Not sure if they were shot simultaneously, but they came out in close succession (1990, 91). Anyway, phuck Avatar. The sequels are going to bomb now that there's no element of surprise or mystery... and Cameron doesn't film other peoples' scripts, so if he tackled Cleopatra, it'll be a long time before it sees the light of day.

  • Oct. 20, 2010, 12:29 p.m. CST

    This Trilogy needs JAR JAR BINKS!

    by theycallmemrtibbs

    Cameron already covered the Native Americans all Avatar needs now is a shitload of other alien stereotypes from the Star wars prequels.

  • Oct. 20, 2010, 12:32 p.m. CST

    Unfunny Smurf reference in T-Minus . . . .

    by Nice Marmot

  • Oct. 20, 2010, 12:35 p.m. CST

    Merrick or Beaks, what about the Sodenberg Cleopatra

    by ricarleite2

    He was supposed to do an over-the-top, progressive rock musical 3D Cleopatra. He gave an interview for AICN saying it WOULD happen. Now Cameron has it? WTF?

  • Oct. 20, 2010, 12:38 p.m. CST

    CLONE WARS ad has taken this place hostage!

    by YackBacker

    It won't click off!!!

  • Oct. 20, 2010, 12:39 p.m. CST

    Avatar 2: NaVi In Ancient Egypt

    by samwise_gamgees_scrotum

    We learn that thousands of years ago the NaVi built a speaceship and came to ancient Egypt where they ruled the Egyptians and built the Pyramids. Skip forward to Cleopatra who discovers a Stargate hidden in the Great Pyramid and she and a band of followes travel to Pandora in the future! Cleopatra and Neytiri then meet and have a lesbian affair much to the annoyance of Jake Sully. Cleopatra and Neytiri then build an evil Empire. Ghost Grace comes to Jake and tells him it is his destiny to train as a NaVi Jedi or "JeVi" and overthrow the evil Empire. This shit writes itself!

  • Oct. 20, 2010, 12:39 p.m. CST

    All those sick of Avaturd say YEAH

    by disfigurehead

    Yeah. I was sick of it when it was over.

  • Oct. 20, 2010, 12:40 p.m. CST

    don't care


    and nothing's gonna make me care. i saw avatar. i wasn't impressed. the story undermined all the visuals for me. i've got no interest in going back to 'that world'. not just being pissy, being serious. i'm glad Cameron likes it, and that alot of people found something in it- i just didn't.

  • Oct. 20, 2010, 12:43 p.m. CST

    the clone wars ad DROP IT


    but i guess they are paying you guys very well to be able to obscure the first 3 or 4 article links and not be unclicked. awesome.

  • Oct. 20, 2010, 12:43 p.m. CST

    Avatar 2

    by cookylamoo

    Having tried on Levi's Jeans and tasted Coca Cola, the Navi decide that Earth capitalism isn't so bad after all. The green curtain falls and the ghost of Ronald Reagan claims credit.

  • Oct. 20, 2010, 12:56 p.m. CST

    I just got off the phone with the home tree

    by epitone

    It's demanding top billing.

  • Oct. 20, 2010, 12:57 p.m. CST


    by awardgiver

    Cameron reuniting with DeCaprio with Leo as the queen of Egypt. Hey, its just a believable as Angelina Jolie! No, fuck that...and find more obscure 50s sci fi novels to rip Avatar plots from. It wasn't Dances With Wolves, the Avatar stories were in tons of old sci fi pulp novels. And Cameron gets all the credit and money...muhwhahahaha!

  • Oct. 20, 2010, 12:59 p.m. CST


    by KilliK

    always a joy to read what Cameron has to say.

  • Oct. 20, 2010, 1:12 p.m. CST

    Actually in the original script Grace doesnt die

    by KilliK

    her memories are transfered in the Eywa bio-network and she remains alive in a "spirit" like form.then she gives advices to Jake and explains to him how Eywa works.i think that's how Cameron is going to use Weaver in the sequel,provided ofc that he wants to bring her back.<br /> <P>Personally i would like for Quaritch to return,as a clone or something.have Bill Paxton as his second in command grunt.<br /> <br /> <p>Quaritch: Any questions?<br /> <br /> <p>[Hudson raises his hand]<br /> <br /> <p>Quaritch: What is it, private?<br /> <br /> <p>Hudson: How do I get out of this chickenshit outfit?<br /> <br /> <p>Quaritch: You secure that shit, Hudson! or i will eat your eyes for jujubes.<br /> <br /> <p>Hudson: juju.. bees.. what?<br /> <br /> <p>Quaritch; go out and kill some Navi for your countr.. er Company.<br /> <br /> <p>Hudson:SIR,YES SIR,SIR. Reply<br />

  • Oct. 20, 2010, 1:14 p.m. CST

    I joined the Navi to see the world

    by cookylamoo

    and what did I see?<br /> I saw the tree.

  • Oct. 20, 2010, 1:27 p.m. CST

    Cameron has spoken...CAMERONOID DICKS HARDEN!!!

    by sansara07

    When the ahem "King/Emperor/Pharoah" has a press conference its time for the Cameronoids to unzip their pants and get a box of tissues ready. And then release jets of semen at the computer screen straight into his face. "Jim, Jim! Tell me more about these new 3D cameras! Talk dirty to me! Tell me about how durable your graphics interface system is! YESSS!"<p>For those of you speculating what Avatar 2 and 3 will be about...well its quite obvious. Avatar 2: Tree Hugging Day will be underwater. Jimbo will introduce us to a tribe of UNDERWATER NA'VI (you heard that right) replete with webbed feet and gills. The evil humahns are drilling the seabed for liquid unobtainium and the poor marine life is choking to death! Oh no! Oh no! Don't let the poor little feeshes die! Jake and Neytiti and now Jake Junior ride to the rescue. At some point Jake Jr is captured by the evil humahns. Oh no! Not cute lil' Jake Jr! Jake and Neytiri come to his rescue on whales replete with tusks that puncture holes in the evil humahn's oil rig. YEAH!<p>Avatar 3: Fly Like An Eagle will feature a tribe of TREETOP DWELLING SMURFS uh sorry Treetop Dwelling Na'vi, replete with membranes under their arms so they can glide from Hometree to Hometree akin to flying squirrels. The evil humahns are pumping fumes into the air killing the airbourne wildlife. Oh no! Not the little birdies! Jake and Neytiri and Jake Teenager fly to the rescue. The big climax will be the land smurfs, water smurfs and treetop dwelling smurfs joining forces to defeat the evil humahns once and for all. Jake Teenager saves his parents and marries a Smurfette at the end. Cue tears of joy all round and a cameo by Jimbo as Papa Smurf who gives the bride away. Hoooray!

  • Oct. 20, 2010, 1:35 p.m. CST

    Avatars Story Was Trash

    by Crow3711

    I don't even remember it it was unfathomably forgettable. Hope he actually tries to tell a real story with the sequels.


  • Oct. 20, 2010, 1:57 p.m. CST

    You can't put Sigourney down

    by AsimovLives

    If xenomorphs couldn't, nothing can.

  • Oct. 20, 2010, 2:03 p.m. CST

    Nasty In The Pasty another trilogy simultaneously filmed

    by Sprinky

    Superman 1 and Superman 2 were filmed the same time. Only halfway Superman 2 Donner was replaced by Richard Lester. Avatar and his unavoidable sequels or even Cleopatra are of no interest to me. I just wish Cameron would come up with a movie that i can feel truly excited for.

  • Oct. 20, 2010, 2:04 p.m. CST

    Fucking Cleopatra?

    by Judge Briggs

    Noooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo... actually, nobody CARES!

  • Oct. 20, 2010, 2:09 p.m. CST


    by Emanresu

    Two more god-fucking-awful movies to avoid.

  • Oct. 20, 2010, 2:35 p.m. CST

    Great news all around

    by TheFlyingWasp

  • Oct. 20, 2010, 2:36 p.m. CST

    "two shoot AVATAR sequels"

    by Billy_D_Williams

    don't you clowns proof read your own articles? this site is a fucking joke.

  • Oct. 20, 2010, 2:38 p.m. CST

    Avatar2: Postman

    by tomimt

    Jake Sully finds a dead Pandorian postman and starts to deliver his mail in order to hoodwink some free food and possible plug-and-play. Soon he discovers, that he's been delivering more than just mail: advertisements.

  • Oct. 20, 2010, 2:52 p.m. CST

    Avatar II.

    by cookylamoo

    Jake discovers to his chagrin that on Pandora, it's the males who lay the eggs.

  • Oct. 20, 2010, 2:52 p.m. CST


    by uberman

    Beautiful Woman, but waaaaaay to old to play Cleopatra...unless they just film her last years, as Cleo died at 39 and Jolie I believe is 40.

  • Oct. 20, 2010, 3:03 p.m. CST

    I have ZERO interest in any of these projects

    by Kain_Bloodstone

    Cleopatra? Avatar sequels? Gimme a fucking break. I don't care how much money his films make, Cameron no longer excites me. All his projects since Titanic haven been vanity projects. Borderline self-indulgent even. I don't think Cameron will ever dish up anything to get me excited ever again.

  • Oct. 20, 2010, 3:23 p.m. CST

    For the love of God WHY????

    by notcher

    Outside of "CHAAAACHING," who gives a shit?

  • Oct. 20, 2010, 3:56 p.m. CST


    by BringingSexyBack

    Or whatever that chick's name is.

  • Oct. 20, 2010, 4:03 p.m. CST

    The Avatar world sucks

    by celebritydave

    Its boring. People wanted to see 3D, we have seen it. Imagine watching that shit in 2D? How many action figures did they sell? 14? Thats the best indication of how cool your world is - if the kids like it, you can rape it for decades. They dont.

  • Oct. 20, 2010, 4:04 p.m. CST

    Almost forgot

    by celebritydave

    The blue mexican chick was a pain in the ass. condescending bitch.

  • Oct. 20, 2010, 4:05 p.m. CST

    Cameron is never going to make Alita.and if he does

    by KilliK

    it is not going to be r-rated.who is going to invest for a big budget,mainstream 3d movie where one of the bad guys is a cyborg head with a mechanic tail,which he uses it to impale the heads of other cyborg fighters,in order to stick his head into the new body and then he goes killing people and eating their brains?

  • Oct. 20, 2010, 4:07 p.m. CST

    I figured Weaver...

    by blackwood sucked up into the tree or something. I've already agreed to giant blue thundercats so, hey, why not?<p>I look forward to more AVATAR. Seeing the original in the theatre blew my mind. Sort of like when I saw JURASSIC PARK. No matter its flaws I was drawn in, fully and completely. So I'm down for more.

  • Oct. 20, 2010, 4:08 p.m. CST


    by AsimovLives

    All the Na'vi were condescenting bitches. They were, by far, the thing i most disliked about the movie, and i like the movie. But i can't muster enough energy to watch the movie again anytime soon, and all because of the na'vi. For me, they are the same as the fucking teddy bears in RETURN OF THE JEDI, figured of hatred and despise instead of sympathy.

  • Oct. 20, 2010, 4:11 p.m. CST

    Like other,s i'd rather prefer that Cameron...

    by AsimovLives

    ... would be doing a movie about something else then just jump right in to Avatar again. I'd be really curious to see Cameron doing an ancient egypt historical epic, since he has never done anything like that. It would be interesting to see Cameron out of the SF genre for a while.

  • Oct. 20, 2010, 4:15 p.m. CST

    A big FUCK YA to all the Avatar haters.

    by Yamato

    That is, fuck ya, fuck ya, F-U-C-K-Y-A. Fuck ya, fuck ya, F-U-C-K-Y-A. I really hate your fucking guts, I'd like to kick you in the nuts, so fuck ya fuck ya. F-U-fucking-C-K-Y-A.

  • Oct. 20, 2010, 4:19 p.m. CST

    the Na'Vi were the best part in Avatar

    by KilliK

    btw the Neytiri poster-painting which i bought from amazon,arrived today.i put it on the wall behind my office desk.i am going to fap now.

  • Oct. 20, 2010, 4:25 p.m. CST

    Great News!

    by -Halfscan-

    at least 3 more possible projects in que for JC means he won't be molesting Alita for a long time to come!!!

  • Oct. 20, 2010, 4:27 p.m. CST


    by Kain_Bloodstone

    Isn't it past your bedtime?

  • Oct. 20, 2010, 4:30 p.m. CST

    Cameron should make WONDER WOMAN...

    by JDanielP

    ...with his proven history in bringing strong female characters to life. Seriously, is there a BETTER choice to make a WONDER WOMAN flick?

  • Oct. 20, 2010, 4:32 p.m. CST

    Battle Angel Alita

    by Spyhunter

    Figured that was going to happen (Avatar sequels instead of Alita). Safer to go with the sure thing I guess.

  • Oct. 20, 2010, 4:39 p.m. CST

    Yamato, what's it like being retarded?

    by MelGibsonsRacialTirade

    I always wondered....because if you like Avatar you're retarded. Fact.

  • Oct. 20, 2010, 4:48 p.m. CST

    I'm still looking forward to them.

    by jwhj2007

    Even though I thought the first movie was as predictable as a box of staples, I look forward to the visuals of the sequels. Nothing more.

  • Oct. 20, 2010, 4:55 p.m. CST

    What Neytiri Painting KilliK?

    by Spacezilla

    Give me a link to it dude. Anyway, I love Avatar. My family loves Avatar. My 4 year old loves Avatar. Age range of those who love Avatar in my family is 4-67. Pretty fucking impressive. Cameron rules. Haters of Camerons and Avatar are silly as hell. <P> F U haters. F U and Fuck You.

  • Oct. 20, 2010, 5:01 p.m. CST

    Cameron= cheese

    by scrote

  • Oct. 20, 2010, 5:06 p.m. CST

    Loved Avatar, looking forward to the sequels!

    by TooSoon

    but I'm really hoping that Cleopatra isn't just Titanic set in Egyptian times.

  • Oct. 20, 2010, 5:07 p.m. CST

    He should make burgers

    by scrote

    ...and I wouldn't fucking touch them.

  • Oct. 20, 2010, 5:12 p.m. CST


    by scrote

    the king of throwaway (and ind indigestible) want fries with that?

  • Oct. 20, 2010, 5:15 p.m. CST

    Ne'vi rectums are purple!

    by LargoJr

    Who woulda thunk it?

  • Oct. 20, 2010, 5:15 p.m. CST

    People who trash Avatar for its story probably praise

    by TooSoon

    the original Star Wars trilogy for its story. They're all just dressed up tellings of the same tale told by storytellers generations ago.

  • Oct. 20, 2010, 5:17 p.m. CST


    by Hipshot

    I loved Avatar. SF writers I know well loved Avatar. That doesn't mean it's good...but it does mean that the outflow of HATRED is just as absurd and immature as people who think it was the second coming. I'd bet not one person who radiates hate at it has published so much as a short story, or had two seconds of film broadcast in any media at all. Sheer raving jealousy by frustrated fanboys.

  • Oct. 20, 2010, 5:21 p.m. CST

    It'll take more than visuals for me to go back

    by Planty_McPlant_Plants_His_Plant_At_AICN

    to Pandora. Is there a worthwhile story to tell? Having read that Coming Soon article I don't think Cameron said he already has two great stories written. Sounds like they have planned a shooting schedule before having a story (always a bad sign). I will Netflix these sequels but I don't think I'll spend $20 to see the same film again. And the story of the first didn't capture me. I don't care about these characters and I don't care what will happen to them. Cameron created a generic sci-fi universe with a generic sci-fi story and generic sci-fi characters to inhabit them. Avatar did what it said on the tin but I need more than that.

  • Oct. 20, 2010, 5:27 p.m. CST


    by KilliK

    here you go:<br /> <p><br /> <p>that's the uk amazon but i suppose the usa amazon will have the same posters too.<br /> <br /> <p>it is actually printed on canvas,not a painted painting,but it still looks cool and it is the only poster i found with Neytiri in my favorite pose.<br /> <br /> <p>apart from amazon,another nice site that you can find a big collection of avatar posters is here:<br /> <br /> <p><br /> <br /> <p>i hope you will find something interesting to buy.

  • Oct. 20, 2010, 5:31 p.m. CST

    The Abyss

    by scrote

    was his best movie. Back then he still had some kind of a creative flair that was all his own. His later stuff...and I don't give a shit about dollar revenue... were all movies that could have been turned out by a dozen others in a far more interesting way. And now we may have Cleopatra looming on the horizon. A historical epic by someone who understands only the fundamental dynamics of day-time tv soap operas when it comes to character exposition. Give me a break. If this gets made then I have no doubt it'll make millions, but it's a sad indictment of just how low our entertainment needs are.

  • Oct. 20, 2010, 5:54 p.m. CST

    As long as you're happy, Turd

    by scrote

  • Oct. 20, 2010, 5:57 p.m. CST

    I like the

    by scrote

    "All who lack the vision..." Talk about vacuous...

  • Oct. 20, 2010, 6:01 p.m. CST

    Can't wait for The Church Of Turd

    by scrote

  • Oct. 20, 2010, 6:06 p.m. CST


    by scrote

    has Mountains been green-lit yet?

  • Oct. 20, 2010, 6:07 p.m. CST

    No, Turd

    by scrote

    I will not go away. Did you really like this movie that much?

  • Oct. 20, 2010, 6:11 p.m. CST

    Heh-heh, Turd

    by scrote

    I ain't sparring with ya, man. But I like yer attitude

  • Oct. 20, 2010, 6:15 p.m. CST

    I never understood why you people bitch and moan

    by MattmanReturns

    about a sequel to something you claim not to give a shit about? Plenty of people out there (myself included) will see an Avatar sequel. If you didn't like the first one, don't see it. Problem solved. But I'm guessing that most of the people bitching about it will be there opening day, so they can bitch some more, because they love to bitch.

  • Oct. 20, 2010, 6:22 p.m. CST

    Fuck Avatar and fuck the retarded white knight fans

    by Trannyformers_Apologist

    Shit story<P> Shit characters<P> Shit dialog<P> Shit themes<P> Shit acting<P> Shit character designs<P> Shit character development<P> Shit score<P> Shit plastic-looking Thundercat Smurfs

  • Oct. 20, 2010, 6:27 p.m. CST

    yes Mountains has been green-lit

    by KilliK

  • Oct. 20, 2010, 6:27 p.m. CST


    by scrote

    the only reason I'm bitching here is up until The Abyss Cameron,in my eyes,could do no wrong. Since then, we've had movies from the guy that are like a paint-by-numbers experiences. I get just as disgruntled about Carpenter stuff. Given the pedigree of the movie maker involved you shouldn't feel the need to leave the theater unless something was horribly wrong enough for you to do so. I left the theater about three quarters of the way through Avatar...something I've done only twice before. I'm glad you obviously like Avatar but these TBs are an opportunity to speak out.

  • Oct. 20, 2010, 6:28 p.m. CST

    Cheers Killik

    by scrote

  • Oct. 20, 2010, 6:31 p.m. CST

    He shouldn't do Cleopatra he should do another action flick

    by cgih8r

  • Oct. 20, 2010, 6:40 p.m. CST


    by scrote

    you missed out Editing.

  • Oct. 20, 2010, 6:54 p.m. CST

    The Sigourney Weaver character is coming back?

    by umbral_shadow_

    Will we see Quaritch and Trudy come back from the dead also? What significance did their deaths have if they are to be reanimated for the follow up like a Nintendo 64 character?<P>This reminds me of a scifi show called Lexx where there was a planet where no one could die, they just kept on returning. It was lame. Is Pandora turning into this planet?<P>Shooting back-to-back sequels means that any coherent story is stretched out finely over two movies. Given that Avatar 1's story was thin as early morning mist, Cameron needs to have a really strong story to fill two more films (which seems unlikely). If no.2 is weak, no.3 will likely bomb.

  • Oct. 20, 2010, 7:15 p.m. CST

    Hey Hipshot....

    by slickjohnny

    I have written several short stories- decades ago, as elementary school assignments. I haven't read them since, but I'm sure they were all childish crap. And I'm sure they were all better than Avatar.

  • Oct. 20, 2010, 7:21 p.m. CST

    Lexx was the greatest scifi show ever

    by UGG

    and those planet's where supposed to be heaven and hell if I remember correctly.

  • Oct. 20, 2010, 7:28 p.m. CST


    by DoctorWho?

    Right around the time The Hobbit is released.

  • Oct. 20, 2010, 7:31 p.m. CST

    No more

    by Sword23

    I will not another avatar movie...

  • Oct. 20, 2010, 7:32 p.m. CST


    by Sword23

    I will not watch another avatar movie... there.

  • Oct. 20, 2010, 7:54 p.m. CST

    Trannyformers_Apologist... a walking billboard

    by Nomoredirtyanything

    too bad it just says Cunt.

  • Oct. 20, 2010, 8:06 p.m. CST

    Avatar was fantastic. Worthy of the hype.

    by Nomoredirtyanything

    A rare thing these days. <p> Yet with Cameron it happens everytime. <p> You hate, hate, hate Titanic? Well that means you're a childish twat who cannot watch anything without lasers. Normal people don't hate at this level. It is irrational. <p> Normal people enjoyed Titanic. That's why it was successful. <p> Look... I'm no fan of Bay, but I don't HATE anything of his. Most of his films I'll watch a few times. In my opinion Transformers 2 was as bad as cinema can get. Yet I will still find myself watching it one day just like Speed 2 and Batman and Robin when I catch 'em on tv. <p> CAMERON RULES!!!

  • Oct. 20, 2010, 8:33 p.m. CST

    Titanic was just as hackneyed as Avatar

    by slickjohnny

    Come on, the evil rich boyfriend versus the good but poor suitor? Jesus Christ. I don't want lasers, hell, who needs them when you have Kate Winslet's boobs? I just want story that is somewhat interesting. Now, if the rich boyfriend had been a nice guy and not a goofy evil cartoon, but Rose was into the poor guy a little more and was really torn, maybe you could have had something.

  • Oct. 20, 2010, 8:42 p.m. CST

    I could almost join the church of turd

    by bottombrick

    But only if it means that now that the mainstream is hooked we get more complexity and villains with grey hats for the second movie. Rich pathos or GTFO

  • Oct. 20, 2010, 9:16 p.m. CST

    Titanic was classic Jimbo Cameron

    by sansara07

    Let's see. Good looking poor guy. Check. Moustache twirling rich villain. Check. Buxom damsel trapped in a loveless marriage with rich guy and falls for poor guy. Check. You could not make this shit up! Titanic was a daytime soap made for housewives and single moms. It encapsulated Jimbo's limits. He uses the most cliched cardboard cut out characters in the most BAD TV land story you could imagine.<P>Which brings us to Avatar. Redneck hillbilly villain? Check. Cheesedick suit in charge of operation? Check. Macho-yet-sensitive hero? Check. You could not make shit up! Jimbo's talents are suited to BAD television. He's a TV hack writer/director with delusions that he's a pseudo-scientific intellectual. His "Enya" (or whatever the shit is called) concept is little more than a bastardization of James Lovelock's Gaia theory. People gave M Night Shyamalan such a hard time over The Happening...Jimbo's Enya is The Happening × 1000! He is a deeply limited man fuelled only by his immense ego and better-than-average knowledge of special effects. If life had turned out differently (i.e if he didn't have Gale Anne Hurd and William Wisher Jr making his shit look good in the early days) he would have gone back to driving trucks or become an effects techie guy for Z grade straight-to-video B movies. He will always be a blue collar hack with a massive inferiority complex - that's why he's such an asshole.

  • Oct. 20, 2010, 9:17 p.m. CST

    Titanic was classic Jimbo Cameron

    by sansara07

    Let's see. Good looking poor guy. Check. Moustache twirling rich villain. Check. Buxom damsel trapped in a loveless marriage with rich guy and falls for poor guy. Check. You could not make this shit up! Titanic was a daytime soap made for housewives and single moms. It encapsulated Jimbo's limits. He uses the most cliched cardboard cut out characters in the most BAD TV land story you could imagine.<P>Which brings us to Avatar. Redneck hillbilly villain? Check. Cheesedick suit in charge of operation? Check. Macho-yet-sensitive hero? Check. You could not make shit up! Jimbo's talents are suited to BAD television. He's a TV hack writer/director with delusions that he's a pseudo-scientific intellectual. His "Enya" (or whatever the shit is called) concept is little more than a bastardization of James Lovelock's Gaia theory. People gave M Night Shyamalan such a hard time over The Happening...Jimbo's Enya is The Happening × 1000! He is a deeply limited man fuelled only by his immense ego and better-than-average knowledge of special effects. If life had turned out differently (i.e if he didn't have Gale Anne Hurd and William Wisher Jr making his shit look good in the early days) he would have gone back to driving trucks or become an effects techie guy for Z grade straight-to-video B movies. He will always be a blue collar hack with a massive inferiority complex - that's why he's such an asshole.

  • Oct. 20, 2010, 9:20 p.m. CST

    Sorry bout the double post...

    by sansara07

    Some things are worth saying twice!

  • Oct. 20, 2010, 9:24 p.m. CST

    Cameron's awful politics

    by 9000rpm

    I won't support another of his movies whatever he makes.

  • Oct. 20, 2010, 9:34 p.m. CST

    He basically admits he's got nowhere to go past the 1st movie

    by cgih8r

    That's what I was thinking. He'd have to do a prequel. It just wouldn't be as cool if you were on Pandora with all nature and no cool human technology. That would mean no explosions and we can't have that. The human tech in my opinion was the best part of Avatar and it looked the most real. The Aliens weren't very convincing like the Chief with that Potato Chip on his forehead as a crown. A prequel is the only way to go.

  • Oct. 20, 2010, 9:41 p.m. CST

    JC only directs T&A titled films

    by Rectal Blowout

    So he'll pass on it, or produce it or it'll have to be renamed with a T or an A somehow.

  • Oct. 20, 2010, 9:56 p.m. CST

    Alright Fags

    by NardDog

    When two of your movies are the top grossing films of all time, then maybe you can talk about how crappy of a story teller Cameron is. Just because you post on doesn't mean you actually know how to make quality films douche bags

  • Oct. 20, 2010, 10:40 p.m. CST

    Nomoredirtyanything... oh, puh-leeze.

    by ScaryWaitress

    "You hate, hate, hate Titanic? Well that means you're a childish twat who cannot watch anything without lasers. Normal people don't hate at this level. It is irrational." <P> Uh, no. It is having taste that is different from yours. I also hated Titanic. I hated it pretty much from the get-go, because the dialogue was tired- and at times just straight out painful- and the chemistry between Winslet and DiCaprio (or should I say the vacuum between them) was annoying. And I say that LIKING both actors, apart. I just don't buy them together. <P> Best part of that movie? The score. Even if it IS cliché... there are some beautiful themes in that one. But the movie (aside from the history lesson re: the disaster itself) was eh.

  • Oct. 20, 2010, 11:24 p.m. CST

    I like T&A films

    by Joely_Boy

  • Oct. 20, 2010, 11:36 p.m. CST

    Cameron making CLEOPATRA...

    by CmdX

    would be sorta amusing.<p>He made the highest grossing film of all time for FOX and he is in talks to direct a movie of the same name that almost bankrupted FOX in the early 1960s.

  • Oct. 20, 2010, 11:55 p.m. CST

    Still think Cameron should save the Aliens franchise with this

    by MurderMostFowl

    Navi vs. Aliens vs. Marines. I'm talking about planet scale invasion of Aliens on the Navi planet, and some major bad ass glow in the dark chest bursting. <BR><BR> Ok I'm making it sound like i'm not serious here, but I am. I think it would truly be awesome

  • Oct. 20, 2010, 11:57 p.m. CST

    Christ on a bicycle, narddog

    by soma_with_the_paintbox

    You managed to use two of the most common fallacious arguments used here on AICN--and then, wait for it, proceed to say absolutely NOTHING ELSE! Avatar was a dazzling technical achievement and a milestone for VFX--it advanced the industrial process of filmmaking, but everything that matters to the CRAFT of filmmaking was sorely lacking.

  • Oct. 21, 2010, 12:09 a.m. CST

    Cool thanks KilliK. I want it.

    by Spacezilla

    Really great shot of Neytiri. Cool looking framed canvas. That is a cool shot of Hendrix too. But goddamn Neytiri is such an awesome alien. How can anyone not be smitten by Neytiri. <P> I live with three chicks. Wife and two daughters. All of them have a different favorite princess. One loves Snow white best, one loves Aurora, and one loves Belle the most. Me, my favorite fantasy princess of all is far and away Neytiri. She stands up for her man like few women seen on screen. The way she had Jakes back so fucking attractive. Think about how fucking cool she was?

  • Oct. 21, 2010, 12:45 a.m. CST

    slowest director around

    by johnnyg korrupt

    By the time he croaks in 20 years he would have made another 2 films. And all crap none of us wanted to see. Wouldn't you rather see him do more Terminator or Alien films?

  • Oct. 21, 2010, 1:16 a.m. CST

    No. I already saw that. Bring on more Pandora

    by Spacezilla

  • Oct. 21, 2010, 1:20 a.m. CST

    Don't you want to see

    by Spacezilla

    more about this part of the Universe? Alpha Centauri A/B and its planets. This is new ground man, and I as a fan of science really appreciate what Cameron is doing, and dig the fuck out of him for it. This is interesting as hell. I can't wait for him to explore this part of the galaxy more. If you have any love for space and the universe surely you want to see more of this. No one else is showing us this. No one.

  • Oct. 21, 2010, 2:01 a.m. CST


    by NardDog

    Is there really anything else to say though? Yeah Avatar isn't the single greatest film ever made, without some regard i.e. gross wise, but it still is an enjoyable film. From what I recall I hear almost positive things about it from everyone I have talked to apart from this website. I'm all fine for voicing your opinion and not liking a film because you just don't like it, and there is no film that everyone will enjoy (besides Transformers 2), but to call out a director who has obviously proved he is one of the best in the industry and saying he is absolutely shit and can't make a good film is a little ridiculous. But again this is just so what the hell do I know

  • Oct. 21, 2010, 2:03 a.m. CST

    Question for the Avatar haters

    by NardDog

    If there was no Dances With Wolves would you enjoy the film a little more or would you still think it is just complete shit and you are way over all the hype and money and regard the film got?

  • Oct. 21, 2010, 2:40 a.m. CST


    by KilliK

    let's see:<br /> <P>2.7B ALL TIME BO RECORD.BLURAY/DVD ALL TIME RECORD.A LOT OF AWARDS.3D BECAME THE NEXT BEST THING.PEOPLE DRESS LIKE NAVI.A PORNO PARODY OF THE MOVIE IS BEING PRODUCED.<br /> <p>yep,it is a bad movie all right and nobody cares about it.goodnight haters,sweet dreams.

  • Oct. 21, 2010, 2:44 a.m. CST


    by scrote

    define 'normal'.

  • Oct. 21, 2010, 2:56 a.m. CST


    by scrote

  • Oct. 21, 2010, 2:59 a.m. CST

    2nd film: intro "bug" race. Worse than human.

    by Some Dude

    3rd film: Navi save Earth from the bugs (and the humans...). Cameron gets to play Starship Troopers.

  • Oct. 21, 2010, 3:06 a.m. CST


    by kwisatzhaderach

    Where people bash James Cameron and praise JJ Abrams.

  • Oct. 21, 2010, 3:13 a.m. CST

    Good flims shot back-to-back?

    by WerePlatypus

    Uh. . . Lord of the Rings?

  • Oct. 21, 2010, 3:20 a.m. CST

    AVATAR - Fucking your eyeballs in.......when?

    by Motoko Kusanagi


  • Oct. 21, 2010, 4:23 a.m. CST

    As big as it was...

    by catlettuce4

    Avatar needs sequels sooner, not later, or people are going to forget about it, just like any other film.

  • Oct. 21, 2010, 5:20 a.m. CST

    Avatar hate

    by MorganLeafy

    Hate is the wrong word. I haven’t seen Avatar but really it seems boring and a chore to sit through. And kwisatzhaderach, to respond to your comment: James Cameron is a better director than JJ Abrams, but the pilot of Lost is more exciting than anything Cameron has done the last 15 years.

  • Oct. 21, 2010, 5:24 a.m. CST

    I wouldn't say i hated it...

    by Shadow Warrior

    but apart from the 3d, it doesn't interest me at all, and I've had no desire to rewatch it. Admit it people, the story was very mediocre. People bitch about the Dark Knight being overrated, but Avatar is wayyy more overrated. Also, what is up with all the re-releasing with extended footage crap? Cameron seems to be pulling a Lucas here. YOUR STORY WAS NOT THAT GREAT MR. CAMERON, MOVE THE FUCK ON.

  • Oct. 21, 2010, 5:30 a.m. CST

    "but the pilot of Lost is more exciting

    by KilliK

    than anything Cameron has done the last 15 years."<br /> <br /> <p>so it is taking a shit in the doesnt mean anything.

  • Oct. 21, 2010, 6:10 a.m. CST

    It's a funny old world...

    by Ghostball

    ...when I'm no longer remotely anticpatory of a Cameron Sci Movie - or even two of them. When a flick as pretty but truly pedestrian like Avatar is hailed most vocally by people like Turd, who try to make out that a movie cleaning up at the box-office is indicative of its quality, we know we're in trouble for the long haul. Fortunately there's the possibility of Ridley Scott not cutting his own balls off completely with the Alien prequels, and those Del Toro's ATMOM... those a where the good stuff's at - hopefully.

  • Oct. 21, 2010, 6:39 a.m. CST

    It only means this:

    by MorganLeafy

    Cameron has lost it. He is meticulous, professional, and a technical perfectionist, but also: uninspired. I have a ton of movies to see before Avatar.

  • Oct. 21, 2010, 6:57 a.m. CST

    Narddog.....well said dude, well said....

    by southafricanguy

  • Oct. 21, 2010, 7:23 a.m. CST

    Na'vi don't golf!

    by Star Hump

    and Charlie don't surf

  • Oct. 21, 2010, 7:32 a.m. CST

    What about an old story told well?

    by Star Hump

    That's what McWeeny said about Avatar. Made sense. Sure, the plot has cobwebs, but it's told well.<p> Oh who am I fooling. Fuck it

  • Oct. 21, 2010, 7:39 a.m. CST

    yes you are in trouble for the long haul

    by KilliK

    for being clueless about good movie story-telling.<br />

  • Oct. 21, 2010, 7:42 a.m. CST

    MorganLeafy has nailed it

    by Kain_Bloodstone

    "Cameron has lost it. He is mericulous, professional and a technical perfectionist, but also: uninspired".<P>This is EXACTLY how I feel about Cameron right now. Like an old rock star he's got the technical expertise but lost what made him exciting in his heyday. He's become dull and pedestrian. He's going through the motions like Lucas did with the prequels and (I'm sure) Jackson will be with the Hobbit films and Ridley Scott will be with the Alien prequels. With all these guys the craftmanship is still there but the spark and imagination is gone.

  • Oct. 21, 2010, 7:47 a.m. CST

    Ok so Battle Angel not happening now??

    by darthwaz1


  • Oct. 21, 2010, 7:54 a.m. CST

    Yeah Cameron is uninspired because his masterpiece

    by KilliK

    didnt have enough marines yelling "Game over man,game over"<br /> <p> gotta catch them all.and then shit on them.

  • Oct. 21, 2010, 7:56 a.m. CST

    Didn't the original Cleopatra turn Liz Taylor into a joke?

    by impossibledreamers

    Is what Jolie wants? Not that she's kind of a joke already.

  • Oct. 21, 2010, 8 a.m. CST

    Morgan, don't feel guilty. I thought Avatar was... meh

    by impossibledreamers

    Sorry na'vi freaks. Unoriginal 'white guy goes native' story line. And clubbing us on the head with the eco message. We ALL know that industry is destroying the planet, James.

  • Oct. 21, 2010, 8:08 a.m. CST

    Reality does not exist in this dojo

    by Cobra--Kai

    <p>"Cameron has lost it" a bizarre comment to make about a director who has just released the highest grossing movie of all time. Reality and your opinion are just so far removed from one another that it's barely worth calling you a fool.<p> Kain_Bloodstone, you think Ridley Scott is just 'going through the motions'? The guys pushing senior citizen status and yet he's still creating massive scale movies like BLACK HAWK DOWN, KINGDOM OF HEAVEN, ROBIN HOOD and a planned double ALIEN movie. Have you even seen KINGDOM OF HEAVEN: DIRECTORS CUT? Christ, movies with that incredible level of scale - and yet also detail - are beyond the reach of all but the most elite helmers. If you think thats 'coasting'... then, perhaps you'd like to provide some names of directors who'd do a better job.

  • Oct. 21, 2010, 8:09 a.m. CST


    by Kain_Bloodstone

    Were you born a moron or does it just come naturally to you? If I thought the SW prequels were garbage does that make me a "hater"? So I think Avatar was pedestrian and predictable, I'm a "hater"? You love Avatar fine. No one is going to tell you not to. But if someone has an opinion counter to your own calling them "haters" is moronic. Got it, numbnuts?

  • Oct. 21, 2010, 8:13 a.m. CST

    I'm no "treehugger", by any stretch

    by David Cloverfield

    But these "We ALL know that industry is destroying the planet, James. Now shut the fuck about it!" reactions feel like something out of a fucking Robocop type satire, trying to show how fucked up we became in the future. I'm guilty of it too. But it's weird that we're angrier about a movie "preaching" about fucking up the planet, than about the actual fucking up of said planet.

  • Oct. 21, 2010, 8:14 a.m. CST

    I miss The Avatar Wars of last year..

    by BookhouseBoy

    So many funny TB's. People saying it would be out-grossed by Twilight and that Camerons career was over. The reported indifference that greeted the first trailer.Seems like so long ago now!

  • Oct. 21, 2010, 8:15 a.m. CST

    Cobra Kai

    by Kain_Bloodstone

    So because a film makes a ton of money it automatically makes it amazing? So you're a big fan of Transformers 2 and the Twilight saga as well I take it? Pulling out box office numbers out of your butt to reinforce an argument is the lamest trick you can pull. And if you think the Alien prequels are going to live up to the original, good luck to you.

  • Oct. 21, 2010, 8:19 a.m. CST


    by KilliK

    Did TF2 made 2.7b worldwide grosses? nope. that's where the arguments lies.cheerio my beloved hater.

  • Oct. 21, 2010, 8:23 a.m. CST


    by JDanielP


  • Oct. 21, 2010, 8:23 a.m. CST

    by Cobra--Kai

    Kain, if 'Cameron has lost it' I can tell you that every single studio and director working in film would like to 'lose it' in the same way.<p> We all know why the TRANSFORMERS and TWILIGHT movies did so well at the box office. Children and teens respectively are the largest demographic of cinema goers. Plus both TRANSFORMERS and TWILIGHT had very large in-built audiences from the toys and the books.<p> AVATAR had no in-built audience, but I think it succeeded so spectacularly (in financial terms) because it appealed right across the age range. From young kids to grandparents.<p> I know that doesn't make it as cool to our eyes as, for example, THE TERMINATOR (which was a film with specific appeal to aicn reader demographic), but if you can look at the bigger picture and still maintain 'Cameron has lost it' then there's no point in debating with you.

  • Oct. 21, 2010, 8:28 a.m. CST

    by Cobra--Kai

    ...and I 'hope' that the ALIEN prequels will live up to the original.<p>I 'know' that they will look incredible. You'll see a level of artistry and craftsmanship in the sets, costumes and fx visuals that will be second to none. Whether or not the story is equally as compelling remains to be seen, but lets keep fingers crossed.

  • Oct. 21, 2010, 8:31 a.m. CST

    Cobra Kai

    by Kain_Bloodstone

    Again, how does a film with "mass appeal" make it remarkable? Pirates of the Carribean had mass appeal, I saw kids, parents and grandparents in the theater, so what exactly is your point? And POTC had no in-built audience either (unless you count an old Disney theme park ride). Lets have a grown up discussion about the merits of the FILM, not about box office and mass demographic apppeal. If you are unwilling to do that, then there is no point debating with you.

  • Oct. 21, 2010, 8:35 a.m. CST

    "A story well told"....

    by Ghostball

    ...Having a handle on cause and effect isn't the minimum requirement of any director - it's the minimum requirment before you even think about putting put pen to paper / or fingers to keyboard. <p>The first thing expected of you once you start grafting on a script should surely be remembering what makes your characters come ALIVE - anything less is just selling everybody short, no matter what the hell else you plan on throwing at your audience, and no matter how happily they'll lap up mediocre characterization as long as the CGI is pretty. Popularity and breaking box office b.o doesn't mean shit to anybody but the shareholders at Fox - and is of no indication of quality. A lot of awful shit that I don't have to mention has been - and will continue to be - extremely popular. <p>James Cameron needs to surround himself with a bunch of people he can trust, sure, but for damnssakes don't hire fuckin' yes men. Cameron's Aliens crew drove him batshit insane with their intransigence, ditto Lucas's first Star Wars crew. You could feel the struggle and pain and reality behind those works, that muscle behind the effortless final product. I don't know about the Terminator movies production-wise, but both flicks also had a raw edge - even with T2's (at the time) astronomical budget. No-one's saying Cameron shouldn't have all that tech wizadry at his disposal, but both he and Lucas shouldn't be allowed anywhere near 'em ever again until they take a refresher course in crafting thrilling characters - Cameron used to be the Professor of Panache, the Dean of Dramatic Tension University... what gives?

  • Oct. 21, 2010, 8:39 a.m. CST


    by Mr. Moe

    Get serious. Transformers 2 made its money because it's a beloved generations old franchise. Twilight was also a major franchise long before the movies. Of course they made money. Like all films floating on a popular franchise name, these films made most of their money from the opening weekend. Avatar, on the other hand, had nothing backing it up. It only opened with $70million, less than half of some major franchise films have earn. Avatar then became the highest grossing film purely from word of mouth. That is something only great films can do. And to try to argue against that is just moronic anti-populist ramblings.

  • Oct. 21, 2010, 8:40 a.m. CST

    by Cobra--Kai

    Kain, if three generations of a family can sit together in a theater and all come saying they loved the movie... then that in itself is pretty remarkable isnt it?<p> Would you give more respect to a movie that you loved but your kids and grandparents hated?

  • Oct. 21, 2010, 8:40 a.m. CST

    Terminator 1 & 2 plus Aliens

    by Abominable Snowcone

    remain Cam's best.

  • Oct. 21, 2010, 8:48 a.m. CST

    by Cobra--Kai

    Abom! I enjoyed your EXORCIST 3 review over at aibn. Good, creepy movie that one.

  • Oct. 21, 2010, 8:48 a.m. CST

    While true lies and the abyss..

    by Stalkeye

    ..are not as good.

  • Oct. 21, 2010, 8:55 a.m. CST

    Cobra Kai

    by Kain_Bloodstone

    Again, three generations loving the film doesn't tell me that the film is extraordinary. Harry Potter has cross-generational appeal, I couldn't care less about those films. LOTR and the original SW had cross generational appeal, and they were great films. So it doesn't matter to me. Its not a factor.<P> Mr Moe, how much of Avatar's draw was to do with the effects and how much was do to with the story? It was being trumpeted as the film you have to experience for the new 3D effects, most of the reviews gave the story a mere pass mark.

  • Oct. 21, 2010, 9:05 a.m. CST


    by Ghostball

    I take issue with your point that questioning the validity of a highly popular "grass roots" phenonomenon is just "moronic anti-populist rambling". <p>Much like most mass hysteria, there is little to be taken from something simply because a whole load of people have taken to it. Fascism is perhaps a rather blunt example, but there's no escaping the fact that just because "everybody else is doing it", doesn't mean you should. By all means enjoy Avatar, praise it and spread the word - but don't shout "moron" to whoever points the Emperor's New clothes - such people may be a pain in the ass ot you, but without them all we're going to see is more homogeneity and cookie-cutter, cut and paste, smug, condescending, obvious, self-congratulatory, paint-by-numbers, black hat-white ha, bland predigested formula. "Thank you James, may I have another"? No thanks.

  • Oct. 21, 2010, 9:07 a.m. CST

    by Cobra--Kai

    "it doesn't matter to me"<p> Aaaahh, now I understand Kain. This is all about you. Your opinion. Totally subjective.<p> I thought when you said the guy who'd just made the highest grossing movie of all time 'had lost it', you were saying it in an objective, rationally thought out way.<p> If it's just your opinion, then go ahead say whatever the fuck you want. As I said, every man and woman working in the film industry would call you a total fool for claiming it, but if - in your mind - making over a billion dollars is 'losing it' then please feel free to believe that.

  • Oct. 21, 2010, 9:12 a.m. CST

    Cobrakai...whats up dude? I think you make

    by southafricanguy

    a number of very good points regarding Avatar. I definitly agree that its very impressive what Avatar did considering it had no inbuilt fanbase, was nt based on anything already popular, and lets not forget the reaction to that first trailer...

  • Oct. 21, 2010, 9:14 a.m. CST

    What are your thoughts on Cameron filming

    by southafricanguy

    two sequals back to back Cobra-Kai?

  • Oct. 21, 2010, 9:16 a.m. CST

    Stalkeye.....dude, say it aint so. You dont

    by southafricanguy

    like THe Abyss and True Lies? True Lies is awsome for Paxtons used car salesman alone imho...

  • Oct. 21, 2010, 9:24 a.m. CST


    by Kain_Bloodstone

    Clearly you are someone who sees box office gross and demographics as the be-all-and-end-all to what makes a good movie. Yes, Cameron has lost it and so has George Lucas and I'm not going to kowtail to mass appeal to prove they still make good movies, like yourself. So in closing, I hope you get that job at the Fox marketing division. Someday I'm sure you'll be a good little suit and greenlight crap because your grandparents and kids will love it. So long, paint by numbers guy.

  • Oct. 21, 2010, 9:24 a.m. CST

    by Cobra--Kai

    To the guy that dismissed AVATAR as a cookie-cutter copy and paste movie, I ask 'why hasn't every other director or studio made it?'<p> 'If it's so simple to make an AVATAR type movie then why don't all films achieve its level of ticket sales and success'<p> It obivously has 'something'. I'm sure James Cameron would say it was his most ambitious film, and this is from a guy who's track record of 'ambitious films' is second to none. So, calling it a cookie-cutter product is bizarre.<p> Sag, hi I think filming both sequels back-to-back will reduce costs and maximise profits. Especially if the second films ends with a bit of an ESB style cliffhanger to be resolved. From an artistic standpoint it's a good idea too because actors won't age or change between films and should stay consistent with their performances. I'm not looking forward to them as much as the new HOBBIT, ALIEN or MAD MAX films but I'll definitely go see them.

  • Oct. 21, 2010, 9:25 a.m. CST

    I posted this year's ago in an Avatar TB

    by UGG

    one of the only thing's I've ever posted that people seemed to agree with,<p> People have watched that much big budget shit over the years you haters have forgoten what it's like to see a WELL MADE blockbuster.<p> First off I read the scriptment and the thing I was dissapointed about was the exclusions he made from it, but I think it was a bit dumbed down so the whole Earth could enjoy it. And hey look, it payed off. <p> Some are making valid points, the story is simple, but why does that automatically mean it's bad? <p> Most of the people I know love the story/movie because it's simple, but concise and easy to follow. People are sick of shit blockbusters trying to be clever like Transformers, Terminator Salvation, and Star Trek. Even The Dark Knight suffered from that. <p> Now if I want a great story I'll read a book, or wait to get such a movie at home, I don't want to go to a cinema, to watch something like There Will Be Blood, No Country For Old Men, or The Road, although they are among my favourite movies of recent years. <p> Avatar is what Cinema was made for. End of.<p>

  • Oct. 21, 2010, 9:25 a.m. CST

    Once again Cobra--Kai

    by MorganLeafy

    It is you who presents his opinion as the truth. Let’s make this real simple. FACT: Avatar was a huge financial success and an amazing achievement in terms of visual FX. OPINION: Just because Avatar was financially successful, doesn’t mean it was an artistic success as well. The fact that a movie has trans-generational appeal doesn’t mean anything in itself; it doesn’t say anything about its quality. There have been good movies with trans-generational appeal and not-so-good ones.

  • Oct. 21, 2010, 9:27 a.m. CST

    by Cobra--Kai

    Kain, cheers for the chat and no hard feelings!

  • Oct. 21, 2010, 9:28 a.m. CST

    by UGG

    My First viewing of Avatar I'll admit I was a little dissapointed at what was left out from the scriptment, just a couple of small extra characters padded out the world better, then I went and watched it again with a different group of friends, and just watched the movie, taking of my critic hat, and I fuckin loved it. I don't know why if I did I'd be a millionaire like Cameron. Will I in 4 years? who knows, but by then we'll have Avatar 2, so who cares lol!

  • Oct. 21, 2010, 9:32 a.m. CST

    Cobra-Kai....dude I have bad news for you

    by southafricanguy

    you realize the Mad Max sequals may not be happening at all? Bad weather postponed the start of production already, and now with the escalating Aus Dollar, apparantly production wont begin by 2012 at the earliest, and it may be cancelled flat out..

  • Oct. 21, 2010, 9:33 a.m. CST


    by Ghostball

    ...that anyone really thinks that a blockbuster should never try to have brains. No one expect quality from the likes of McG or even Abrams, but who the fuck among us is asking for them to make more movies?

  • Oct. 21, 2010, 9:36 a.m. CST

    Well put Ghostball

    by scrote

    Couldn't agree more

  • Oct. 21, 2010, 9:36 a.m. CST

    UGG...hey dude. Whats up? Like you I was

    by southafricanguy

    also dissapointed by all that was left out of the old scriptment. I think Cameron did that to make Avatar more marketable. My hope is that with these back to back sequals he doe snt compromise in the same way, and puts all the alien, and weird things from the old 95 scriptment back in...

  • Oct. 21, 2010, 9:43 a.m. CST

    That alien in the scriptment...

    by Ghostball

    ...who shot his own spike-topped head off to skewer other creatures, then walked its headless body up to its impaled victim to reconnect - THAT's the kind of trippy shit Cameron notionally considered in his first scriptment, but chicken-shitted out of it because it might upset gramps and little Timmy. Way to go, Cameron - King of (these days) safe, neutered moviemaking.

  • Oct. 21, 2010, 9:44 a.m. CST

    I've got this friend of mine...

    by scrote

    who tells stories to anyone who will listen. Quite eloquent. They have a beginning, middle and an end. But he is one of the most boring bastards in the universe because you know how the story is going to end. I'm starting to think my friend might be related in some way to Cameron...

  • Oct. 21, 2010, 9:45 a.m. CST

    Cobra-kAI...for me persoanlly im way more

    by southafricanguy

    worried about the qaulity of the Hobbit and the Alien prequal. Firstly, Jackson has nt been himself post LOTR imho. KK was very flawed, and I have heard only very bad things about TLB. Also, does Jackson have a real passion to do it? He has made a number of comments that seem like hes just doing it to protect the studios investment after they lost Del Toro. Secondly, the Alien prequal scares the shit out of me. Simply because prequals by their very definition suck. Can anyone actualy name a good prequal? And if you go check out there is a site that got a hold of the current script, and "reviewed" it. And the bad news appears to be that that Alien Harvest script was legit. However it has been changed and reworked by Lindelof. But a lot of what we heard about that script appears to be there (including the space jockeys forcing those two dudes to have sex). And whats more, the site was requested by Fox to remove their "review", which means its likely legit...

  • Oct. 21, 2010, 9:45 a.m. CST

    southafricanguy long time dude

    by UGG

    you probably don't remember me but we were fighting the good fight together years ago against the like's of Nerd Rage Retard Strength, before the movie even came out, I think I had a different TB name then. <p> I'm with you dude, hopefully some thing's will now be in the sequal, like the guy who's avatar got eaten or the reporter from earth, and Cameron can go even more exotic. I've also noticed a few scenes added in the extended editions like the great hunt scene and earth. And with news that he's filming at the bottom of the Mariana Trench for part 2 can only mean good thing's.

  • Oct. 21, 2010, 9:46 a.m. CST


    by scrote

    My gf and I have a copy of the movie, but it's like an unwelcome guest in your house...

  • Oct. 21, 2010, 9:46 a.m. CST are talking about the slinger

    by southafricanguy

    as it was called. Now that would have been damn cool. And the old scriptment was full of awsome shit like that...

  • Oct. 21, 2010, 9:50 a.m. CST

    As for the Alien Prequal I posted this in there

    by UGG

    that prequal plot point sound's like it could go either way to me. <p> The Space Jockeys are Aliens, they will do Alien thing's, I'd prefer if they made them try and fuck each others nostrils or something, because it would be nut's. That's the only way to go in sci fi now. Bug Fucking Nut's. Has no one here read an Iain M Banks book? Now if it's a major theme of the movie it probably will be shit, but it could be something merely alluded to as they enter the ship. <p> look what happens when fanboys makes these movies, AvP's and Predators, let's just wait until somethings been filmed, and we at least have a teaser to judge or something.

  • Oct. 21, 2010, 9:50 a.m. CST

    UGG....of course I remember you dude.

    by southafricanguy

    where you been? And yeah, I hope the total fuck you clout Cameron has now, and the total creative freedom he will now have will cause him to really cut loose and go nuts....

  • Oct. 21, 2010, 9:52 a.m. CST

    southafricanguy The new Blu Ray Has it Reinserted

    by Spacezilla

    There will be a bunch more scenes from his script in the movie now. Yea I agree a lot of really interesting scenes and story elements were cut out of the original theatrical release of Avatar. but, the final cut with over 16 minutes reinserted seemlessly changes all of it. Right down to the original on Earth opening, Jake's final ritual (in the script Mo'at put a worm into his mouth and made him chew it. He tripped the fuck out. Things like this that really are just great moments, will be there now how they were always meant to be (again from his original treatment)<P> People should really be ecited by this. I cannot wait. Come on geeks, enough with the hate already. This is something really cool to be happy about. We are all so lucky to even exist at all. Avatar is from the heart. It is a reminder again of how amazing our Universe is that we are flying around in.

  • Oct. 21, 2010, 9:56 a.m. CST

    Cheers and True SAG

    by UGG

    Any exec would be an idiot to say no to Cameron now. That Slinger was great and didn't they use the detached heads as poison arrows for the end battle? And hater's, should thank Avatar for the fact that were now going to get a At the Mountains of Madness movie finally. Now we'll just have to wait and see if it's good or not though.

  • Oct. 21, 2010, 9:57 a.m. CST the Alien prequal, you make good

    by southafricanguy

    points my friend. Imho I get the feeling that it could really go either way....And I feel that the Alien prequal will end up seriously polarizing Alien/Aliens fans....

  • Oct. 21, 2010, 10:02 a.m. CST

    Cobra-Kai.....Given Cameron's track record

    by southafricanguy

    with sequals, I will give him the benefit of the doubt here. If he can make Avatar sequals that lives up to Aliens and T2 9in terms og quality), then I will be most excited for the Avatar sequals. And since Avatar is nt based on anything, and isnt a prequal (which you always know exaclty what its building to), or reboot, the door is wide open to where it could go, or what it can do....

  • Oct. 21, 2010, 10:03 a.m. CST

    Alien Prequal

    by UGG

    yea I really am apprehensive about it, your right it could go either way, I hope the news of a PG13 was wrong, but I doubt it. Same with The Hobbit, Jackson just dosen't sound as if his heart is in it.

  • Oct. 21, 2010, 10:04 a.m. CST

    But really Cobra-Kai, can we as film geeks

    by southafricanguy

    really complain about having Scott, Jackson, Miller, and Cameron all making huge, ambitious sci-fi/fantasy back to back films? If you ask me, either way we all win...

  • Oct. 21, 2010, 10:09 a.m. CST

    The slinger? you mean the Alita script?

    by KilliK

    or the Avatar one?

  • Oct. 21, 2010, 10:10 a.m. CST

    SAG there is a difference.The King has made something

    by KilliK

    new and refreshing.the others are returning to their roots,which is kind of pathetic.

  • Oct. 21, 2010, 10:25 a.m. CST


    by Ghostball

    "NEW"??!!! *spasms*

  • Oct. 21, 2010, 10:38 a.m. CST

    For A Few Unobtanium More

    by Stabby

  • Oct. 21, 2010, 10:38 a.m. CST

    The Good, The Bad and The Unobtanium

    by Stabby

  • Oct. 21, 2010, 10:41 a.m. CST

    How the fuck do you compare box office

    by Nomoredirtyanything

    when there is no comparison. <p> Sure, shit films will always make a lot through hype or marketing. Cameron however, not once but twice has made the highest grossing films of all time by a fucking HUUUGE margin. <p> and to repeat what has already been said by many, Cameron knows how to do a fucking sequel. <p> Aliens and Terminator 2 are how you do a fucking sequel.

  • Oct. 21, 2010, 10:49 a.m. CST

    So clearly by that logic...

    by Ghostball

    ...Titanic is the second best movie ever made.

  • Oct. 21, 2010, 10:59 a.m. CST

    No, not at all, just a fuckin good one

    by Nomoredirtyanything

    like Gone With the Wind. Sure its a classic. It's also a case of the melodramatic vs amazing spectacle. Cameron knows that hollywood at it's core is to give the people an experience they cannot get anywhere else. <p> It's the best of both worlds as his shitload of cash has probably financed a shitload of smaller features that you no doubt would find infinitely more worthy than Cameron's obviously silly attempt to entertain the masses.

  • Oct. 21, 2010, 11:01 a.m. CST

    Avatar in 3D IMAX was great. Even gets better

    by UltraTron

    the more you watch it on blu-ray. Unobtainium is what our current scientists call a technology or resource that's impossible to reach. One of the coolest things about avatar was the term Unobtainium because we had actually "found" Unobtainium in the future on another planet. They could've told you kids another scientific name for whatever resource it was but Cameron is an explorer in real life- and he writes this shit from a scientist/explorer perspective.

  • Oct. 21, 2010, 11:15 a.m. CST

    unparanoid_android... I could usually not give a shit

    by Nomoredirtyanything

    about Box office. Just that these guys spew it up, comparing it to Twilight and Transformers 2. <p> My favorite list has stood pretty solid for a couple of years. Here we go. <p> 1. 2001. <p> 2. BladeRunner. <p> 3. Master and Commander. <p> 4. Jaws. <p> 5. The Bridge Over the River Kwai. <p> 6. Close Encounters of the Third Kind. <p> 7. Mad Max 2. <p> 8. Pulp Fiction. <p> 9. Kingdom of Heaven(Director's Cut) <p> 10. An American Werewolf in London(I can't explain it... the best ever blend of comedy and horror, set in Britain with John Landis at his greatest. Just wow...). <p> So there ya go. Flame on...

  • Oct. 21, 2010, 11:19 a.m. CST

    P.S. Kingdom of Heaven kicked out

    by Nomoredirtyanything

    One flew over the Cuckoos Nest. <p> I never saw that coming after the theatrical version that's for sure.

  • Oct. 21, 2010, 11:55 a.m. CST

    unparanoid_android... nice..

    by Nomoredirtyanything

    kudos on the Strangelove.

  • Oct. 21, 2010, 12:13 p.m. CST

    Some of yous guys are

    by bobbofatz

    down on Avatar. It was far from perfect but so was 77 SW. Given enough time even SW can be picked apart. Cameron made an original Scifi flick and there are still a lot of whinos. So many of you complain about countless remakes and trashy sequels.WTF! It is possible that the Avatar sequel will be this generations ESB.

  • Oct. 21, 2010, 12:18 p.m. CST

    Listing does not exist in this dojo

    by Cobra--Kai

    A top ten list.. I gotta attempt this...(in no particular order)<p> 1/ SEVEN SAMURAI<p> 2/ KIND HEARTS & CORONETS<p> 3/ MAD MAX 2<p> 4/ STAR WARS TRILOGY<p> 5/ ROBOCOP<p> 6/ LOTR TRILOGY<p> 7/ RAIDERS OF LOST ARK<p> 8/ ALIEN TRILOGY<p> 9/ CONAN / EXCALIBUR<p> 10/ JAMES BOND SERIES<p> Ahh fuck it, I cheated all over the place with trilogies but 10 films just isn't enough! Plus I had to have 007 in there, don't think i'd be able to put any one single Bond movie in the 10 but as a series they're all kinda cut from the same cloth and just so darn entertaining.

  • Oct. 21, 2010, 12:23 p.m. CST


    by Stalkeye

    True Lies just didnt grab me and I understand what cameron was trying to convey (Blend of Action and Comedy adaptaion of some French film as far as I can recall.) but the middle act felt a bit tedious and the characters came off a bit generic and Tom Arnold was damn annoying at best. This didnt feel like your atypical Cameron Movie, but then again I never thought Titantic would be such the success that it was.<p>I like Paxton from the breif appearance in Terminator,definately Aliens and even predator 2 (the guy had some of the best lines in the sequel.)but even he couldnt change my mind about True Lies. Abyss was prolly the beggining of Jim's Obssesion with the deep for all I know. It was a decent film but nothing I would watch again.But hey, I could watch Verhooven's underated Starship troopers 5x before anoteher viewing of Abyss.<p>that's just my unapologetic preferences.Glad you saw different however.

  • Oct. 21, 2010, 12:31 p.m. CST

    Great lists guys, Lemme take a crack @ this.

    by Stalkeye

    In no particular order as well:<p>1.The Road Warrior<p>2.Empire strikes Back<p>3.Aliens!!<p>4.Blade Runner<p>5.Escape From New York<p>6.The Thing<p>7.RoboCop<p>8.Terminator<p>9.Total Recall<p>And....<p>10.Enter The Dragon.<p> Comic based Films are reserved for a different post.

  • Oct. 21, 2010, 12:40 p.m. CST


    by theplant


  • Oct. 21, 2010, 12:47 p.m. CST

    King/Emperor/Pharoah quote so true

    by theplant

    When the ahem "King/Emperor/Pharoah" has a press conference its time for the Cameronoids to unzip their pants and get a box of tissues ready. And then release jets of semen at the computer screen straight into his face. "Jim, Jim! Tell me more about these new 3D cameras! Talk dirty to me! Tell me about how durable your graphics interface system is! YESSS!"

  • Oct. 21, 2010, 1:14 p.m. CST

    More nonstop hilarity

    by MandrakeRoot

    You read through this talkback and you'd think we were talking about Uwe Boll! Cameron lost it? What planet are people living on? The guy makes one of the most ambitious and challenging films of all time which proceeds to shatter box office AND home video records whilst also garnering major critical acclaim and award recognition, and now he supposedly "lost it". Fucking morons. Avatar is one of the better sci-fi flicks of the past decade and as far as a blockbuster/cinematic experience goes, it really is hard to beat. It seems to me that many of those who populate this site are not really movie fans at's just hate hate hate. But then again being as massively popular as Avatar was is bound to stir up some jealousy and resentment. We get it, your movie tastes are to sophisticated for Avatars simplicity, right? You demand Star Wars level complexity! Oh wait...

  • Oct. 21, 2010, 1:19 p.m. CST

    Cleopatra takes it in the ass

    by Faust_8

    now that's a movie I'd pay to see

  • Oct. 21, 2010, 1:47 p.m. CST

    And Box Office does matter

    by MandrakeRoot

    Detractors are quick to bring up Transformers 2 and Twilight when B.O grosses are brought up, but there really is no comparison. Let's look at Twilight and Transformers 2; their opening weekends were $108 million and $142 million, respectively. Avatar did $77 million. Over three weekends Twilight dropped 70%, 64%, and 48% . Transformers was 61%, 42%, and 43%. These movies sucked, so after HUGE opening weekends they dropped like rocks. Now look at Avatars first 3 weekends; 1%, 9%, 26%. On it's 6th weekend it actually went up 15% from $42 to $54 million. That is almost completely unheard of. In it's 11th week it was still making $28 million, while at that point Transformers was making $800,000 million, and Twilight was making only $500,000. <p> Do you see the HUGE difference? Twilight and Transformers have big built in fanbases and name appeal, thus huge opening weekends which guarantee a high overall gross. The movies sucked though, so repeat business was awful. Avatar was a no-name project that for most people came out of the blue. It didn't have a huge opening, but it had incredible word of mouth which led to over 3 months of sustained business. It takes a special movie to connect audiences like that, as it's a phenomenon that rarely happens. This is why Avatars B.O is important, and incomparable to most movies. People act like it's no big deal or anyone could do it, then how come no one did? Cameron has his pulse on worldwide audiences, and that is a mark of brilliance.

  • Oct. 21, 2010, 2:28 p.m. CST

    X Rated Cleopatra?

    by Stalkeye

    Just when Bob Guccione would have been perfect for the projust you guys come up with ideas.<p>Late much?

  • Oct. 21, 2010, 2:39 p.m. CST

    Jim Cam, pleeasssse scrap Cleopatra for

    by Stalkeye

    Battle Angel proved that you could branch out with other genres but You must come back to your Geek roots! I remeber reading an article back then how he was such a fan of Iron Man and would love to do a film based on the semi iconic Marvel Character.So what have we got post Terminator and Aliens?? True Lies, The Abyss and Titantic....? As good as titantic was, it came off like some big budgeted chick flick.I'll personally rate Verhooven's BlackBook over this anyday.Cleo sounds like a bomb in the making regardless of who is backing the project.Jolie? Hell Naw!

  • Oct. 21, 2010, 2:55 p.m. CST

    Top 7 James Cameron List

    by KilliK

    <p>1.Abyss<br /> <p>2.Titanic<br /> <p>3.Avatar<br /> <p>4.Aliens<br /> <p>5.Terminator<br /> <p>6.Terminator 2<br /> <p>7.True Lies

  • Oct. 21, 2010, 3:13 p.m. CST


    by samwise_gamgees_scrotum

    You forgot Piranha 2. It should go above Titanic.

  • Oct. 21, 2010, 3:24 p.m. CST

    box office

    by MorganLeafy

    So BO is important and an indication of quality. Well then so are reviews. And most reviews are moderate/negative (and please don't throw the RT score in my face, you all know what they really say: Avatar is pretty to look at but nothing else). I have nothing against an entertaining blockbuster but then don’t pretend it’s more than that.

  • Oct. 21, 2010, 3:51 p.m. CST


    by KilliK

    nope i didnt forgot it.i didnt put it,because the KING didnt direct it.a fact that you already knew.cheerio.

  • Oct. 21, 2010, 4:21 p.m. CST


    by KilliK

    visitor from an alternate reality,where critics watched Avatar and trashed it MONTHS before even its final cut was made in the editing room.<br /> <p>BrainDrain,the inspiration for the Twilight Zone.

  • Oct. 21, 2010, 4:34 p.m. CST

    My admission of error to AVATAR fans.

    by FluffyUnbound

    I broke down and got AVATAR out of the library so I could finally see it, and was completely fucking blown away and now have to retract every bad word I said about it. So to those of you who were here when I shat all over that film in pre-release, I bow to your superior film wisdom. I was forced to like the damn thing starting right from the scene in the weightless cryosleep room. Five seconds of film and I had to say, "OK, I take it all back, the people who love Cameron were right and I was wrong." And the rest of the film was just like that, too. I really can't imagine what it was like to see this fucking thing in IMAX. Or even in LIEMAX.

  • Oct. 21, 2010, 4:42 p.m. CST


    by samwise_gamgees_scrotum

    It says on imdb that james cameron directed Piranha 2. I love Piranha 2 and I'm happy Cameron made it. Really its a great film, schlock at its best.

  • Oct. 21, 2010, 4:57 p.m. CST


    by KilliK

    It says on my dick that i have fucked your ass.So that must be true as well? get your facts first boy before shaping and expressing an opinion.

  • Oct. 21, 2010, 5:03 p.m. CST


    by KilliK

    ah you mean the aicn haters,those guys who were trashing Avatar and claiming that it was going to flop and destroy Big Jim's career,until the movie was released,became a worldwide phenomenon,and those haters have been disappeared since then? <p>you mean those people?

  • Oct. 21, 2010, 5:12 p.m. CST

    Arnold Schwarzenegger

    by KoolerThanJesus

    Arnold's latest tweet is a pic of him meeting with Cameron. He says the two of them will have a major announcement on Monday.

  • Oct. 21, 2010, 5:15 p.m. CST


    by UGG

    Cheers for that, can't wait till Monday now. Hopefully it's something interesting and not some political shite.

  • Oct. 21, 2010, 5:21 p.m. CST

    Proposition 23

    by UGG

    A quick dig bring's that up,<p> James Cameron pledged $1 million to oppose Proposition 23, a measure that would suspend the state's landmark climate change law. Baah!

  • Oct. 21, 2010, 5:40 p.m. CST


    by Mr. Nice Gaius

    No worries. We're here for you, brother.

  • Oct. 21, 2010, 8:43 p.m. CST

    Why are we assuming that Weaver will play the same character?

    by Johnno

    What if through the magic of Cameron's virtual thingamajigs, Weaver will be playing an entirely different character, possibly some other Avatar or another alien who looks nothing like her? Or maybe given that humans are advanced enough to create Na'vi avatars, that they could also create human avatars that are basically pilotable clones of other people? So many possibilities to explore here... whether Cameron does them all I don't know... Anyway I was reading some of this in the NYTimes story and Cameron is still not fully committed to Avatar sequels yet because he's still trying to hammer a hard bargain with FOX. From what he said it looks like he's trying to hammer out another 10-year plan or something to expand the franchise and FOX doesn't like to think long term...

  • Oct. 21, 2010, 10:22 p.m. CST


    by KoolerThanJesus

    No way Arnold goes on in politics unless it would be to run for President, which he can't. I could see him going for UN Secretary General. He's been doing a lot of traveling to Russia, China, and Europe the past few months which could lead one to believe that. Otherwise, I wonder if it will be an announcement about Crusade finally moving forward.

  • Oct. 22, 2010, 12:26 a.m. CST

    Killik....dude, you know I like you. But relax

    by southafricanguy

    my friend, dont be so hostile to samwisegamgee. Not everyone is an expert on Cameron's filmography. So he just got his info from IMDB. blame Imbd for having bad info...

  • Oct. 22, 2010, 12:28 a.m. CST

    Fluffyunbound......respect for owning up

    by southafricanguy

    to something like that dude. Way more than a lot of people would do. I hope when Im proven wrong about something I will own up to it like that...

  • Oct. 22, 2010, 2:36 a.m. CST

    I'm not giving up

    by MorganLeafy

    The story is so painfully predictable - and, sad to say, corny - that one spends most of their time ticking off the seconds until the big final battle - which is impressive, but not nearly as rousing as it ought to be -- Mr Beaks I hate that Cameron has become so predictable--Capone

  • Oct. 22, 2010, 3:06 a.m. CST

    TURD.....hows it going? What are your though

    by southafricanguy

    ts on the recent revelation that that Alien Harvest script seems to be legit, albeit an early version?

  • Oct. 22, 2010, 3:09 a.m. CST

    Moganleafy...waht are you not giving up

    by southafricanguy

    exactly dude? I dont think anyone has a problem with you not liking Avatar, but you have made your position clear. Read you loud and clear. You know you are nt going to change anyone's mind right? No-one on the TBs ever does based on what others say. Im afraid that wether you like it or not, someone likes Avatar as no film makes that type of bank, gets such good general reviews, and award noms without havinfg something that simply appeals to people....

  • Oct. 22, 2010, 3:51 a.m. CST


    by MorganLeafy

    Fair enough, no more posts. I don't want to turn into AsimovLives. Let me conclude by saying that nobody has the right to call me a hater. I watch art-house movies too, but that’s exactly why I can enjoy a well-made blockbuster all the more. It’s just that nobody gets a free pass for making boring, derivative movies, even if his name is James Cameron.

  • Oct. 22, 2010, 4:19 a.m. CST

    by Cobra--Kai

    MorganLeafy. Hater.

  • Oct. 22, 2010, 4:25 a.m. CST

    by Cobra--Kai

    Hehe sorry Morgan couldnt resist that one. Also sorry if you found your movie-going trip to see AVATAR 3D boring, if only it were as exciting as those art-house movies eh?<p> The Dojo reserves the right to shame names and lay blames.

  • Oct. 22, 2010, 5:16 a.m. CST

    Morganleafy.....I dont think you are a hater

    by southafricanguy

    You have your reasons for your feelings towards Avatar, and its a perfectly valid point of view. Its one of those things we will just agree to disagree about. Nothing wrong with that though. The only thing that confuses me though is that you claim Avatar to be boring, but you like art house films? For me, art house films are often the definition of boring. But maybe Im just an uncouth philistine lol...

  • Oct. 22, 2010, 5:28 a.m. CST

    The lack the love for THE ABYSS puzzles me...

    by Motoko Kusanagi

    seriously<p>that flick is way too underrated

  • Oct. 22, 2010, 5:29 a.m. CST

    "The lack OF love"

    by Motoko Kusanagi

    damn proof reading<p>14 years and still no edit button....

  • Oct. 22, 2010, 6:04 a.m. CST

    Art-house vs Blockbuster

    by MorganLeafy

    More often than not, art-house movies ARE boring, much like most blockbusters are mindless crap. But if a filmmaker takes his time to introduce his characters and tell and interesting story there’s nothing than can beat that. Of course that does take time and some people may find that boring. A perfect example of a dark, thought provoking and therefore exciting example of such an art-house movie would be the last Palm d’Or winner Der Weisse Band. On the other hand I also really liked the Expendables for the pure macho fun. Inglorious Basterds was the best of both worlds.

  • Oct. 22, 2010, 10:48 a.m. CST

    It's my bane that i can see the both sides of the argument...

    by AsimovLives

    ... and even understand each side's reasons for why people like or hate AVATAR, and why they still love or are disapointed with James Cameron. I understand them both, and i can't fully agree with neither.

  • Oct. 22, 2010, 10:50 a.m. CST

    Motoko Kusanagi

    by AsimovLives

    No edit button is what gives charm to this place.

  • Oct. 22, 2010, 10:52 a.m. CST


    by AsimovLives

    Most of my favotire movies are those who mannage to be both blockbusters and art-house, and use the strengh of both and none of their flaws. Movies like BLADE RUNNER, APOCALYPSE NOW, 2001: A SPACE ODDYSSEY, GHOST IN THE SHELL, to name a few. Even movies like INCEPTION and Carpenter's THE THING have both of those. Me loves me a good filmic melange.

  • Oct. 22, 2010, 10:53 a.m. CST

    The lack the love for THE ABYSS also puzzles me

    by AsimovLives

    Not only is that movie underratee, but it's awesome, and many times i think it just might be Cameron's best.

  • Oct. 22, 2010, 11 a.m. CST


    by AsimovLives

    Second time when i watched AVATAR i also got a bit bored. Not boring as in, say, watching a Michael Bay movie, who makes the most skull-numbuing movies i ever seen in ym whole life. Yeah, i find Bay's movies terribly boring, because i'm completly uninvolved. But AVATAR did caused me a bit of that uninvolved boredom, and it was all to do with the scenes with the Na'vis when they were center stage. This makes, for me, that the most intersting part of the movie is the begining, before the anoying bitchy Na'vi princess shows up. After that the movie is downhill for me. I still like it, yeah, but man, the na'vis are pure ewoks for me. The na'vis are like an unholy mixture of ewoks with the worst aspects of LOTR's elves, making them pedantic anoying sanctimonius bores.<br><br>And i'll neveer understand some of the guy's love and sexual attraction for the na'vi princess. i mean, she's, like, a fucking alien, it's another spieces. I find it disturbing.

  • Oct. 22, 2010, 11:36 a.m. CST

    Asi....well I never found Avatar boring, though

    by southafricanguy

    I kindof agree with you that the firstthird is the strongest, however the end battle is pure awsome imho, and very re-watchable too. I do agree that the middle section was the weak aspect of Avatar, but I did nt find it boring becasue I love the Wayne Barlow/heavy metal magazine design asthetic of Pandora, the Na'vi etc...and I have no problem with the the alien love thing. Its all part of the pulp sci-fi thing imho based in the long tradition of exotic (foreign) love interests of pulp serial heroes. Frankly Asi, I think you are taking it too seriously, and over thinking it when it comes to that aspect of Avatar.

  • Oct. 22, 2010, 11:39 a.m. CST

    And I found Neteryi to be one of the best

    by southafricanguy

    characters. I liked Saldana's performance, and think she is a good tribute to the uppity, ice queen bitch "princess" of classic pulp sci-fi ala Deja Thoris etc...And another in Camero's long line of strong female chracters...

  • Oct. 22, 2010, 11:48 a.m. CST

    My favorite stuff was definitly the Na'vi

    by southafricanguy

    or I guess the Avatars interacting with humans, and or fighting humans. I really enjoyed the juxtoposition of the modern/primitive, alien/human etc..but like you Asi, I fond it did nt work that great with just the Na'vi as they were very much modeled on the native Americans, it felt too familiar imho. ut then Asi, thats very much what im hoping for with the sequals, that Cameron really lets loose with the more weird shit (which was certainly in the old 95 scriptment), and that he introduces other alien races, and maybe even has the humans return to Pandora and team up with the Na'vi or something so we can get something more like the first third of Avatar...Plus I really like that Cameron is planning on having the main characters travel to the other moons orbiting the gas giant, some cool interplanatery exploration perhaps?

  • Oct. 22, 2010, 3:03 p.m. CST

    About the Final Battle

    by FluffyUnbound

    It's not perfect. It goes on too long. The human tactics aren't very well thought out. [But that could be ascribed to overconfidence.] But I'll tell you this much - I am 100% diametically the opposite of Cameron politically on environmental issues, but *EVEN I* was pretty pumped when "Mother" launched her ground counterattack. That's how I know it's a great film - I knew the whole story and synopsis, the film held no surprises for me and could not hold any surprises for me, and I reject the philosophical views that inspire the film, and I *still* was blown away and completely bought every frame. That's a good film.

  • Oct. 22, 2010, 5:17 p.m. CST


    by MorganLeafy

    In case you are still around, I dug up those quotes to show that you’re not necessarily a hater if you don’t like Avatar. I am not going to engage in a debate of my critic vs. your critic. Maybe Beaks knows nothing about movies but I don’t think you can call him hater (and I also think Bring It On is a better movie than TDK). Also, no I haven’t seen Avatar. So maybe it isn’t predictable? I guess the Stephen Lang character doesn’t die in the end after a grand battle then? I think I’ve seen enough movies to know what appeals to me. That’s what critics and trailers are for! I also haven’t’ seen TF2, so by your logic I can’t possibly judge it? Maybe that might be fantastic as well? To conclude let me say this: relax, it’s just a movie.

  • Oct. 23, 2010, 12:36 a.m. CST

    Morganleafy.....dude, I dont mean to be funny

    by southafricanguy

    but if you have nt seen Avatar, how on earth can you tal about it? Not looking for a fight, I just dont get it. And even moreso why would you waste your time talking about it...

  • Oct. 23, 2010, 12:38 a.m. CST

    in a TB related to its future sequals??

    by southafricanguy

  • Oct. 25, 2010, 10:51 a.m. CST

    Wasn't her Mind

    by BetaSword

    fused with Eywa? At least, that's what I think at the end.