June 19, 2010, 4:34 p.m. CST
June 19, 2010, 4:48 p.m. CST
June 19, 2010, 5:19 p.m. CST
by Nasty In The Pasty
She was just The Girlfriend in the first two movies (and is barely even in the second one). And it's not like she's just never brought up (kinda like Elisabeth Shue in the second Karate Kid)...when Slink mentions her as one of the "toys we lost", Woody has a definite emotional reaction to this. In fact, her abscence only underlines the film's themes...that things can't go on as they have been forever, people grow up, grow apart, relationships fail...and that's life. I'm just surprised they didn't contrive a new girlfriend for Woody like so many romcoms do...i.e. the love triangle where one character is destined to be left alone, until a random supporting character suddenly steps up just to let the audience know that the romantically-spurned third wheel is gonna be okay. The 40 Year Old Virgin was kinda ridiculous in this respect as we saw that ALL of Andy's buddies with getting hot tail in the wedding scene at the end. Woody's gonna find some cute doll to hook up with eventually.
June 19, 2010, 5:20 p.m. CST
That scene was very important to the film and was handled perfectly. Just that one look on Woody's face, and you knew how painful it was for him when he lost her.
June 19, 2010, 5:32 p.m. CST
in the end we realised that we could only include the characters that Andy would have potentially kept in the chest, not to mention what toys he would have the most emotional time saying goodbye to and the story end. <P>Most people tend to forget that Bo was Molly's toy so it would make no sense to keep bo in with andy's toys. At pixar we take alot of time to think these stories out and in the end toy story 3 had to be a story about the 8 main toys, there was no reason to see characters like bo, or etch or even RC. As one of the writters i would find it hard to have included Bo peep in the box at the end of the film, as much as the films are about the toys, i have always written them as andy's story just as much
June 19, 2010, 5:36 p.m. CST
this kid has more time on his hands than anyone I've ever seen. think of how much research he has to do before every ridiculous post, it's astonishing.<p>that anyone is willing to waste that much time, just for negative attention, is utterly fascinating to me. the saddest kid on the planet, and no one even knows his name. god, someone needs to start a JettL blog...
June 19, 2010, 5:45 p.m. CST
June 19, 2010, 5:59 p.m. CST
i love to keep busy and i'm constantley researching topics for furture script, for example i've probabaly done 70 hours of reseach in the last 10 days for a biopic i am doing about Judge Kenesaw Mountain Landis, who was the first commisioner of baseball and the man credited with saving the game and laying the foundation for what the game became. Even the baseball hall of fan has granted me access to hundreds of records and documents about the man and that time in baseball.<P>And all that research is for a film that isn't sold yet, however i have some director friends that really want the project to get off the ground, i'm also hard at work on jam sessions for Batman 3 as well as i am supervising visual effects for Thor, green lantern and i'm doing prep work on captain maerica<P>Nope my friend i have very little free time, i try to update you on scoops when i can, but when i dissapear for a bit it's often because i am deep in a project and i just can't find the time
June 19, 2010, 7:10 p.m. CST
Leaving Woody and the others to burn just after they saved his life! That is fucking cold.
June 19, 2010, 8:21 p.m. CST
I would have left a couple of super hero movies off the list of movies you are supposedly working on. It doesn't sound belivable.
June 19, 2010, 8:27 p.m. CST
June 19, 2010, 9:27 p.m. CST
by Peter David
JettL says he works at Pixar. Okay. <p> JettL, I wonder if you know a friend of mine, a Disney employee who was transferred there some months ago. Last name is Rowe. First name is...?
June 19, 2010, 9:29 p.m. CST
he's a good guy, tell him i say hi
June 19, 2010, 9:31 p.m. CST
C'mon man. Don't treat me like one of the noobies. I was here before you even started your schtick. Don't waste my time continuing it.<p>I feel bad for you, kiddo. Unlike everyone else who just insults you and baits you for this non-sensical fiction you keep plugging, I actually think about what a sad little dude you must be in real life. If this is all you have, even knowing that there isn't a single person left here that believes you, well, fuck...that's just about the saddest thing I can think of.<p>I hope you get past all of this, I really do.
June 19, 2010, 9:33 p.m. CST
by Peter David
The problem is that it adds an unnecessary emotional beat for Woody. It's one thing if he's okay with leaving behind the rest of his friends out of loyalty to Andy (as he is depicted through the bulk of the film.) The problem is that if he's also willing to ditch Bo Peep, his girlfriend, it makes him seem heartless, even cruel. Having Woody remain sympathetic in the first film was a tricky emotional needle to thread; having his involvement with Bo be an issue in the third film is baggage that he simply didn't need. To say nothing of the fact that an early part of the film turns on them not trusting Woody; Bo would have been the first to remind them that their not trusting Woody in the past has had disastrous consequences. There would be just too many downsides from an emotional and plot point of view and pretty much no benefits to keeping her in. No purported inside knowledge of Pixar would be required to discern that. That's just dissecting the emotional beats.
June 19, 2010, 9:35 p.m. CST
by Peter David
When did I ever say Rowe was a male?
June 19, 2010, 9:48 p.m. CST
by Peter David
...you may want to learn how to spell the word "commissioner."
June 19, 2010, 11:05 p.m. CST
Are you sure your friend works at pixar, Jeff Rowe was my lead animatist on key scenes in wall.E. I assumed thats who you were reffering too
June 19, 2010, 11:32 p.m. CST
It's like Sideshow Bob getting hit in the face by a rake in the Simpsons. At first its kinda funny, then it goes on and on and isn't funny anymore, and then it just keeps going, and it gets funny again. More insider talk from JettL, I say. Claim to be a Pixar executive. Claim to be involved in the Alien prequels. Claim to have written the new Avenger's script. Claim to be Miley Cirus' gynocologist. More and more, further the rediculousness. I can't believe he pisses so many people off. He's not a sad little person. He just has a uniquely warped sence of the absurd - and somehow that gets people mad. Kinda reminds me of a talkback Borat. In a medium infested with lies and half-truths, he is an exageration of the failings of any internet site that dedicates itself to entertainment gossip.
June 20, 2010, 12:26 a.m. CST
It stopped being funny long ago. Those of us who were here to witness the birth of your stupidity got a little amusement out of it, but now it is just sad. Get a fucking. If your so dedicated to this fucking character of yours, start a production blog or something. It could be funny.
June 20, 2010, 3:20 a.m. CST
I can't believe I have read a good review of this pile of crap. I am italian and I totally despise this kind of filmaking. Yes, it is inspired by Visconti's Gattopardo, but a movie has to make sense. throwing glossy images on the screen over and over with little respect for the audience is unacceptable. stop standing in awe seeing european garbage just because it's european. we can make shit too.
June 20, 2010, 4:20 a.m. CST
to say "get a fucking life," but get a fucking actually works, too, if you think about it.
June 20, 2010, 4:45 a.m. CST
I agree with most of what is said above in regards to Bo Peep -- I just don't think they necessarily negates my argument. <BR><BR> Saying that she is Molly's toy is a bit of a silly reason (although I have no trouble believing it to be the case, I have no memory of this ever being stated in the first two films, and I've watched them a LOT). As if Bo belonging to Molly would be an impossible corner that not even Pixar could write its way out of. I mean, hell, Barbie belongs to Molly, right? <BR><BR> I'm not denying that losing Bo caused a necessary emotional reaction in Woody. I just don't believe that was the reason she was removed, and it's a bit silly to assume this to be the case. You want an emotional reaction from Woody that's echoed in the audience? Lose Slinky. It makes more sense given the original voice actor has passed away, and the audience obviously has more of a bond to him that Bo, so removing him makes more sense. <BR><BR> Look, I don't think the exclusion of Bo hurts the plot of the film at all. Maybe they could have found an ingenious way to include her, or maybe she would have slowed proceedings down. My point is that the offhand way she was disposed of -- even though it produced a moment that worked very well as a character beat -- is a bit cynical.<BR><BR>This is a story about what it's like to be disposed of when you're no longer useful. Ironic, huh?<BR><BR>(Btw, I know I'm going to regret asking this, but what's the deal with this JettL person? Is it an intentional joke or an unintentional one?)
June 20, 2010, 5:46 a.m. CST
JettL is just a site-troll who likes to pretend that he is hollywood player, closely involved with whatever film is being discussed, providing all sorts of insight and information (all completely false) in regards to whatever movie is in question. Unfortunately, he does this on every talkback thread, which causes people to become very angry with him - which in turn, obviously, amuses him to no end.
June 20, 2010, 7:19 a.m. CST
robogeisha was released on dvd over here last week, surely that deserved a mention?
June 20, 2010, 7:32 a.m. CST
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June 20, 2010, 8:19 a.m. CST
by Peter David
I would peg him (or her) to be around late teens, early 20s. Certainly not a professional writer due to his (we'll assume "his") lack of command of proper punctuation and grammar. Also, a professional writer would be a better liar: He would have noticed I said my friend was transferred some months back and wouldn't have purported to confuse him with someone else from a film made several years ago. Nor would he have made up a name that can easily be verified on IMDB as never having worked on "Wall-E."<p> But he must know he's fooling no one by this charade. So I guess he gets his jollies by putting up stuff that's going to get people outraged. Me, I don't feel any outrage. I just feel kind of sorry for him and hope that perhaps at some point he puts his talents--whatever they may be--to more productive use. In any event, I'm done with him.<p>
June 20, 2010, 8:32 a.m. CST
by Peter David
"Look, I don't think the exclusion of Bo hurts the plot of the film at all."<p> That's it, right there. If leaving her out didn't hurt the plot, then there was no reason to have her in. Especially when including her would cause additional emotional beats that the story simply didn't need.<p> If she had been the only toy that was gone, I'd see your point. But when you compare the final cast of characters to Andy's room at its maximum population, there was a ton of stuff that was gone.<p> Plus I'll give you one more utterly practical reason: Bo Peep wasn't really a toy. Yes, Andy used her as a damsel in distress in his play sequences (and as an aside, if you go back and compare Andy's play scenario in the first film to what we see in the opening of the third, a lot of it is the same; we're just seeing it from Andy's POV, which was freaking brilliant). But she was actually a porcelain doll decorating a lamp. Never, in either of the previous two films, does she go out into the world. That's because she couldn't physically endure it. There is absolutely no way she withstands the pounding that the toys endured in this film. Whether it's when the kids are roughhousing with her or the toys are being slammed around in their escape, she's going to get shattered and that's the end of Bo, unless you bend the plot to some serious contrivances to accommodate her. Her presence simply produces way more trouble than it's worth.
June 20, 2010, 9:08 a.m. CST
Having moved to the States, I had no idea they had made a sequel to the Wog Boy. Now I'll have nightmares.......
June 20, 2010, 10:35 a.m. CST
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June 20, 2010, 10:39 a.m. CST
lochkray: Figured as much. Ta. <BR><BR> Potatino: I got Robogeisha in the mail the other day. In either the next column or the one after that, you'll be able to say GEISHA IS... REVIEWED. <BR><BR> Peter David: I think if you were to edit out Bo from TS1 and TS2 you wouldn't hurt the plots of either of those films, either. She's never been an essential component to the story, but an essential component to the emotional journey of Woody. And, of course, that's what she's doing in TS3 as well, just from a long way away. But you do make some very compelling points, which I'm going to mull over.
June 20, 2010, 12:40 p.m. CST
by Peter David
My fear is that Bo actually did get shattered at some point and tossed out. The look on Woody's face when she was mentioned was devastating. In fact, it seems to me that--as much as Woody is tight with Buzz and the others--there are only two beings in the world that he's ever truly loved. One was Bo, and the other was Andy. Having lost Bo in the past makes his obsessive devotion to Andy even more understandable.
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June 21, 2010, 6:09 a.m. CST
I actually bought it from JB HI fi over here in melbourne. Haven't seen it yet. I'll watch it then read your review and either disagree violently or applaud your good or poor taste as the case may be. Looking forward to reading your review.