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Latauro Reviews IRON MAN 2

Published at: April 28, 2010, 10:18 a.m. CST by merrick

In 2008, my favourite movie featuring a man who dressed up in an improbable suit in order to fight bad guys was IRON MAN. This heretical view was one I found myself defending on many occasions: what, had I not seen THE DARK KNIGHT?

I had, and I dug it, and it ended up in my top ten of that year. But IRON MAN placed higher. IRON MAN had, in my view, been more successful at what it had set out to accomplish, and it's the film I've been most keen to revisit later. So, naturally, my anticipation for the sequel was pretty high.

Superhero sequels have a habit of being either as-good-as or better-than the originals, eschewing basic Hollywood mathematics. (Think SUPERMAN II, BATMAN RETURNS, X-MEN 2, THE DARK KNIGHT, SPIDER-MAN 2... hell, even the second FANTASTIC FOUR film managed to improve on the first.) With the pesky origin story out of the way, Part Twos feel freer. They're in a better position to stretch their wings and tell the sort of story you can only tell once an audience is fully caught up on what the rules are and who everyone is. That's when superhero films can sit back and make a truly great film before the inevitable part three slump. (Think SUPERMAN III, BATMAN FOREVER, X-MEN: THE LAST STAND, SPIDER-MAN 3...)

IRON MAN 2 does not break this tradition. In fact, what it does is give us more of the same. That phrase sounds like an insult, but here it is intended as high praise. The first IRON MAN was funny, the characters were well-developed, the action was really good. I know the final battle has its detractors, but given the visual ADHD that so-called action directors throw at us these days -- I have, on previous occasions, compared Michael Bay's action sequence to the sensation of having someone wave streamers in your face -- I'll take Jon Favreau's style any day of the week.

As with the first film, the story itself is secondary to the manner in which it is told. To simply recount the plot would remove the interpretations that make it great. Robert Downey Jnr remains the very definition of perfect casting, bringing both charm and myriad character faults to a role that is usually bland in its everyman-ness. Gwyneth Paltrow is spot-on as Pepper Potts, and her chemistry with Downey Jnr is better than any other seen in a film of this magnitude for many years. Don Cheadle makes for a worthy successor to Terrence Howard, and much as I'd like to stake a claim on who played the role better, I can't. Both were great, and neither makes me pine for the other. The real surprises come from the supporting characters. Mickey Rourke and Scarlett Johansson are unexpectedly understated in their parts; Rourke, in particular, avoids the obvious showboating choices that would have accelerated the proceedings squarely into farce.

But, in a film full of great performances, an award must surely go to Sam Rockwell for having the hardest job and pulling it off perfectly. Rockwell is not the main villain, nor is he a good guy. In fact, he's probably the most unlikable character of the bunch, behind Garry Shandling's beautifully smarmy Senator. If the film is about anything, it's about missed opportunities. Rourke's Ivan Vanko hates Tony Stark because Stark's father got all the success when his former partner -- Vanko's father -- did not. Rockwell's Justin Hammer hates Stark because Stark is smarter and more beloved than Hammer. But just as Hammer is desperate to beat Stark, he also wants to be Stark's friend. Rockwell plays this almost-pathetic duality so well, he's destined to be the unsung hero of the film. That clever desperation is actually echoed in Stark himself: when Tony Stark talks to Vanko for the first time, his innate desire to show off and impress everyone he comes into contact in serves as the seeds for his undoing later on. It's surprisingly clever stuff, and it's not often we see superhero films that have this much going on underneath.

Those concerned about how the film fits into the wider continuity that Marvel is so famously building will be very happy with this film. Samuel L Jackson gets proper screentime as Nick Fury, and his scenes actually feel important to the main plot, not just tacked-on pieces to set up a different film. (Oh, and stay in the cinema after the main credits. Unlike the situation with the first film, the press screening I was at actually included the post-credit scene, so I can assure you it's in there.)

I get the feeling that the initial reaction to IRON MAN 2 will be that it isn't quite as good as the first film, but I think that will largely be because the first film came out of nowhere. Robert Downey Jnr's Tony Stark was such an unlikely hero, such an unusually charismatic figure, that everybody seemed jolted out of their seats. Everything that was good about the first film is here in the second, only now we're expecting it. In time, when the dust has settled and both films are equally canonised, I suspect the general consensus will be that they are of equal quality. And though the phrasing may be limp, the conclusion is not: IRON MAN 2 is up there with the best.

Latauro
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  • April 28, 2010, 10:19 a.m. CST

    Iron Man!

    by kevinwillis.net

    Can't wait to see it.

  • April 28, 2010, 10:21 a.m. CST

    cool brah

    by Kenny_Fucking_Powers

    I look forward to this one

  • April 28, 2010, 10:22 a.m. CST

    I stopped reading after

    by ObnoxiousCamper

    "my favourite movie featuring a man who dressed up in an improbable suit in order to fight bad guys was IRON MAN" The Dark Knight is 10 times better than Iron Man. Fail review.

  • April 28, 2010, 10:26 a.m. CST

    Notice..

    by nukeboy1970

    ...how he says "my favorite" instead of the best. This is saying it is his opinion retard. I liked TDK better than Iron Man as well. I think both are great movies, but TDK edges it out. With that said, someone is entitled to their opinion. Saying the don't is a sign you are a fucking moron.

  • April 28, 2010, 10:26 a.m. CST

    5th

    by britney spears rusted clit ring

    is my guess

  • April 28, 2010, 10:26 a.m. CST

    Superman II, While Fun, Was Nowhere Near . . .

    by kevinwillis.net

    As good as Superman The Movie. That having been said, your list is otherwise solid.<br><br>But from the very opening of Superman The Movie . . . that's the ultimate super hero movie. Opening up an Action Comics, fading into a live rotating Daily Planet ball . . . that movie was just brilliant. And the cast? Will there ever be a Lois Lane to replace Margot Kidder? I don't think so. Christopher Reeve, with his earnest line deliveries. The snappy dialog in the newsroom . . . Gene Hackman as Lex Luthor. Ned Beatty. Miss Teschmaker. On and on . . . most of it squandered in Superman II, except Terrence Stamp as Zod. But the weird powers the Phantom Zone escapees had, Superman's magic amnesia kiss, giving up his powers and getting beaten up . . . ugh! Hated that movie when I first saw. The first movie I ever really got super-psyched up and excited about only to be bitterly disappointed was Superman II. Superman III at least is put together, editing-wise, more coherently.

  • April 28, 2010, 10:29 a.m. CST

    Thank fuck for that.

    by V'Shael

    A review from someone who seems to have the same attitude to the first movie that I did. (Though for me, Dark Knight edges out Iron Man if I stop watching before the end of it.) I feel more anticipation for the movie now.

  • April 28, 2010, 10:29 a.m. CST

    But what about Scarlett's ass?!

    by umbral_shadow_

    To hell with everything else. What about her ass dammit.

  • April 28, 2010, 10:30 a.m. CST

    I don't know...

    by wampa 1

    ...but it sure smells good!

  • April 28, 2010, 10:30 a.m. CST

    Dark Knight had a weak ending. But benefitted by being a sequel

    by V'Shael

    and not an origin story. Considering it was an origin story, Iron Man was fucking amazing. And placed against Batman Begins, I have to give it to Iron Man in terms of enjoyment, and Batman Begins in terms of "serious film-making".

  • April 28, 2010, 10:32 a.m. CST

    Solid Review

    by Dave I

    I'd say pretty balanced.<p><p>I agree with nukeboy1970. I think The Dark Knight was a better movie, that said the nod to Iron Man was his OPINION, so I respect that and thought the review was very good.<p><p>-Cheers

  • April 28, 2010, 10:34 a.m. CST

    I like Dark Knight and Iron Man

    by Samuel Fulmer

    But Dark Knight's third act blunders are much worse than Iron Man's since Dark Knight is 30 minutes longer. Two Face was so rushed at the end, that he was shafted big time.

  • April 28, 2010, 10:35 a.m. CST

    That's how you do a review

    by bigpale

    Pithy and precise. None of that long-winded crap I usually have to wade through (I'm looking at you "wheels").

  • April 28, 2010, 10:38 a.m. CST

    Superman II Succeeds Where It Matters Most

    by WriteFromLeft

    Tone. It's designed to entertain. It has heart. It has humanity. And the gigantic battle in Metropolis has yet to be equaled.

  • April 28, 2010, 10:39 a.m. CST

    Hulk Smash!

    by DoYouKnowWhatIAmsaying

    The next one better be Directed by Ang Lee and have Mutant Poodles in it or I am not gonna go!!!

  • April 28, 2010, 10:41 a.m. CST

    I too prefer Iron Man to Dark Knight

    by Drsambeckett1984

    Give me RDJ actuallt acting over Bale attempting to growl.

  • April 28, 2010, 10:42 a.m. CST

    Superman III may not be a great followup to II...

    by Shut the Fuck up Donny

    ...but so far it remains my favorite part III in superhero movies!

  • April 28, 2010, 10:42 a.m. CST

    RE Batman Forever

    by Drsambeckett1984

    It doesnt deserve to be lumped in with terrible threquels.

  • April 28, 2010, 10:45 a.m. CST

    SUPERMAN III

    by IHaveSeenEveryEpisodeOfPrisonBreak

    Most misunderstood film EVER!!!

  • April 28, 2010, 10:53 a.m. CST

    Superman III

    by Drsambeckett1984

    While is no way comparable to I and II, is still a decent flick in its own right, if you remove all of the Richard Pryor shit. <P> The good/bad Superman fight in the junkyard is classic. I love all the stuff with CLark going back for his reunion. There is a lot of good stuuf in there, people forget that. And throughout all 4 movies, Reeve showed what a legend he was.

  • April 28, 2010, 10:53 a.m. CST

    I too preferred Iron Man

    by allykatD

    And I was surprised. I've always been a big Batman fan and never even gave Iron man comic books a look. Iron Man just came out of left field for me and Downey was fantastic. Multiple viewings have been entertaining, but not so for Dark Knight, I've seen it twice and that's enough.

  • April 28, 2010, 10:53 a.m. CST

    That post-credits scene is on you know where

    by terry1978

    It gets taken down periodically, but I did just see it and spoiled myself. People that don't expect it but know the comic storyline will like it though.

  • April 28, 2010, 10:54 a.m. CST

    More of the same

    by Ripleys_nipples

    Totally fine by me.

  • April 28, 2010, 10:55 a.m. CST

    Superman

    by Carolinamaestro

    Superman: The movie is still the super hero movie that all other super hero movies are judged by. It is by far the best super hero movie ever made. It holds up 30 years after it was made and the music is legendary. It had GREAT character development and only one person with super powers making it more realistic than these comic stories where everyone just happens to get dumped in toxic acid at the same time so that they can fight each other. Superman had incredibly good casting and directing. It had one of the best writers of all time (Mario Puzo), and it made all of us who saw it in 1978 believe a man could fly. The. End.

  • April 28, 2010, 10:58 a.m. CST

    Iron Man

    by enderandrew

    Iron Man is a superhero film. It is a particularly good one (and I maintain, perhaps the best looking BluRay I own) but The Dark Knight is a much better film on the whole. The Dark Knight leaps past genre-underpinings and weaves a fantastic crime/morality tale. RDJ had to carry Iron Man to make it work because the action wasn't fantastic. The Dark Knight succeeds because they didn't force Bale to carry the film. They allow Eckhart, Oldman, Freeman, and Ledger to create a much larger story. This review suggest Iron Man 2 follows a similar path. I hope that is the case, but Iron Man 1 isn't in the same discussion as The Dark Knight.

  • April 28, 2010, 11 a.m. CST

    I thought Superman II made a lot more sense

    by Adelai Niska

    The first one was hindered by Lex's laughably bad evil scheme that involved launching a second missile at Miss Techmacher's hometown for no reason and then leaving her alone with Superman. Superman II was cheaper looking and had some random powers for no reason, but the whole movie made a lot more sense.

  • April 28, 2010, 11:01 a.m. CST

    Ending of Dark Knight

    by enderandrew

    Every fan insisted going into Dark Knight that they knew what was going to happen because of the existing canon. By killing Two Face right off the bat, there was a wonderful unexpected twist. By putting Batman on the run and keeping Joker alive, I think they were setting up something bigger for the third film. Batman Begins could have gone nuts with a great villian, but focused on setting up something bigger. I hope Ledger's death didn't completely ruin what they were building towards.

  • April 28, 2010, 11:05 a.m. CST

    And what about Gweneth's punch in the face?

    by AsimovLives

    Nobody is talking about it, which is so strange, after all that internet hoolahoop about it. So, what gives, dudes? Does Gweneth gets a slug in her pretty face or what? Inquiring minds want to know.

  • April 28, 2010, 11:05 a.m. CST

    Superman III and Batman Forever

    by Gordon Bombay

    Complete shit, both of them.

  • April 28, 2010, 11:05 a.m. CST

    About Superman

    by Ripleys_nipples

    I'm so sick of people saying that this movie is the "Citzen Kane" of superhero films. It's only great because of Chris Reeves and the theme song. Kidder is the most unatractive Lois Lane ever, Hackman is goofy and the whole "Earth's reverse rotation" it's freaking ridiculous.

  • April 28, 2010, 11:08 a.m. CST

    Latauro, my friend...

    by AsimovLives

    ... THE DARK KNIGHT is the better movie. Yes, IRON MAN was pretty good, lots of fun. but in the quality stake,s THE DARK KNIGHT is better. Much better. Deal with it, you will so much better afterwards.<br><br>Good review as always, by the way. Always good to read yours.

  • April 28, 2010, 11:08 a.m. CST

    How bad a day can it be

    by HapaPapa72

    When we can sit here and debate superhero movies? I enjoyed both TDK and Iron Man very much, but the prize winner for most frequent DVD viewings goes to Iron Man. Even the behind the scenes and deleted stuff was more fun(three bikini-clad girls in Dubai, anyone?). I'm anxious for IM2 and another Batman movie someday. Just gimme more Batcave, less Chicago. Thanks.

  • April 28, 2010, 11:09 a.m. CST

    People who complain about the ending of TDK...

    by AsimovLives

    ... just don't get the point. The whole movie builds to that. The whole movie. TDK is not a movie where you take it all in passively. Which is the beauty of it.

  • April 28, 2010, 11:12 a.m. CST

    Superman III

    by Abominable Snowcone

    If I recall, mid-way through shooting Supes II Richard Lester took over from Donner. Lester did III on his own, and he's the one responsible for the slapstick, like all the pratfalls at the beginning of III and the Pryor stuff. I wonder what might have happened had Donner stayed involved. Then again, I'm glad he was free to do Lethal weapon in the late 80s-90s

  • April 28, 2010, 11:13 a.m. CST

    Ripleys_nipples

    by Dhaemon

    You are against making the earth go back in time but yet you are unwilling to laugh about a man in tights who hides by wearing glasses...now that's ridiculous.

  • April 28, 2010, 11:14 a.m. CST

    Drsambeckett

    by thatswhatshesaid

    Totally agree about Reeve. The man was for my money the best actor to play a superhero hands down. While I like many of the other actors and think they are cast well..Bale, Mcquire, Keaton...none sell the range of emotions that Reeve did. Watching Superman Returns with another actor did not bother me, but the thing that stood out the most was the lack of anger towards Lex. You could always see the rage toward Lex in Reeves face like anyone would have in that same situation.

  • April 28, 2010, 11:23 a.m. CST

    Were people REALLY that floored by the first one?

    by Series7

    I mean its all in the fucking trailer? Who was surprised by anything they saw in the first movie?

  • April 28, 2010, 11:28 a.m. CST

    Dhaemon

    by Ripleys_nipples

    If you're going to see a movie called "Superman" you must accept that the main dude is a man in tights who hides by wearing glasses. But why he would have all that trouble, by saving trains and school busses, if he could just have a beer, watch the entire California get fucked up and then just go back in time.

  • April 28, 2010, 11:28 a.m. CST

    I can't believe you are all going to get me to...

    by ufoclub1977

    watch Superman III.

  • April 28, 2010, 11:29 a.m. CST

    Good Review

    by david19

    Whoa, an actual review not a movie recap. Well done.

  • April 28, 2010, 11:31 a.m. CST

    Favreau...

    by Lou Stools

    ...seems like a stalker, or like he'd be heavily into infantalism(sp?). There's something really creepy about that guy I can't put my finger on, nor would I want to.

  • April 28, 2010, 11:31 a.m. CST

    Superman

    by david19

    was good when it came out, still has a lot of nostalgic value to it...but Im over it. Its dated and the character is not true to the comics IMO.

  • April 28, 2010, 11:31 a.m. CST

    Gay cats

    by Colonel Activity

    Have you ever fucked a gay cat while snorting ground up cactus? PENISSSSSSSSSS

  • April 28, 2010, 11:33 a.m. CST

    Dark Knight is a good modern noir

    by Samuel Fulmer

    Suceeds as that more than being a Superhero movie. It went a little too much into the Casino Royale/Bond territory of trying to make things a little too realistic, and killing some of the joys of these kind of films (even though there are some major drawbacks to going too far in the comicish direction:Ex. Batman and Robin). I think Batman Begins did a much better job of pulling off a comic book film, but still giving it grittiness. But of all the Batman films, the Burton ones are the only ones I go back to watch every year or so. Sure they have their dumb cheesy moments, but there's a lot of brilliance in there too.

  • April 28, 2010, 11:36 a.m. CST

    I still wish WB would've made

    by Samuel Fulmer

    A Donner/Lester mash-up cut for DVD. The Donner cut has some good stuff, but it just feels more like a bonus feature than an actual film. And of course the lester version has too much crap in it that keeps it from being good (Superman throwing his S!!!).

  • April 28, 2010, 11:37 a.m. CST

    Jnr?

    by Sam_Jay_Jick_Donutly_Dildoclip

    Juninior?

  • April 28, 2010, 11:37 a.m. CST

    70's/80's Superman movies

    by Samuel Fulmer

    Have the most hilarious moments of product placement in film history. I still love the shot in the original film of the immaculately lit box of Cheerios sitting on Ma Kent's breakfast table after Clark discovers the crystals.

  • April 28, 2010, 11:39 a.m. CST

    Superman best superhero movie? umm no

    by Big_Daddy_Nero

    I suppose I can understand some of the love for it, as it was really the first of its kind, but, umm, no way is it anywhere even close to that. Not only that, but Margot Kidder being 'great' as someone stated? Ick. A coked-up skinny wretch, and she looked and acted like a coked up skinny wretch. Everyone is entitled to their opinions of course, but for me the Reeve Superman movies are way too hokey and campy for my taste.It smacked of a 'Dino De Laurentis' movie, it was that level of cheese to me.

  • April 28, 2010, 11:39 a.m. CST

    OK, for the last time

    by Gidney

    Superman the movies, all of them, and perhaps the character itself, have always sucked balls. Never worth the time of day. Reeve simply wasn't a great actor (to compare him to Bale or even Downey is absurd). The only thing that salvaged his reputation is falling off a horse.

  • April 28, 2010, 11:47 a.m. CST

    Best superhero movie=Supersonic Man

    by Samuel Fulmer

    Hard for anyone to argue that one.

  • April 28, 2010, 11:47 a.m. CST

    Too much Downey.

    by kabong

    He's good, but he's overloading the movies with his schtick. <P>

  • April 28, 2010, 11:49 a.m. CST

    Why compare TDK with IRONMAN?

    by onezeroone

    Why not compare BATMAN BEGINS and IRONMAN? IRONMAN 2 should be compared to TDK.<p> Anyhow great review.

  • April 28, 2010, 11:49 a.m. CST

    Ditko

    by IHaveSeenEveryEpisodeOfPrisonBreak

    I like Quest for Peace. I know it is terrible, but it is fun in that whole "Cannon Films" sort of way. Also, I am a bit forgiving of it due to fact that the director Sidney J. Furie had the budget for the film cut in half right as filming started. Plus, it has Mark pillow in it who has NEVER been i another film.

  • April 28, 2010, 11:50 a.m. CST

    Oh that post-credits scene, gave me goosebumps

    by onezeroone

    Saw it on YT before it got taken down. The reveal in the end gave me goosebumps.

  • April 28, 2010, 11:56 a.m. CST

    I loved Iron Man

    by TheMcflyFarm

    Anybody who thought it was better than The Dark Knight is an idiot.

  • April 28, 2010, 11:57 a.m. CST

    Gidney

    by Darth Hater

    Totally uncalled for. You have no class and no Honor. You are a small person, so sad.

  • April 28, 2010, 12:01 p.m. CST

    The first Iron Man didn't develop a bad guy

    by Flip63Hole

    I remember he was supposed to be Jeff Bridges ~ sad they didn't give his character enough to time to go bad. Seemed strange, out of nowhere he turns into a villain for little reason... I don't remember Iron Man being that good at all. Loved Downey, that was about it...

  • April 28, 2010, 12:01 p.m. CST

    Well, go fuck a Russian penis-slanger

    by Colonel Activity

    I heard that Morgan Fairchild eats deer hearts and poops fragrant strands of walleye eggs. Anybody else hear this? No? Then open up your spleens and listen to the transmissions coming from Neptune's anus collectors. You racist fuck priests!

  • April 28, 2010, 12:03 p.m. CST

    Batman Returns

    by elsewhere

    Was not better than Batman. FACT.

  • April 28, 2010, 12:05 p.m. CST

    Batman Returns....

    by Colonel Activity

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  • April 28, 2010, 12:05 p.m. CST

    Batman Returns

    by IHaveSeenEveryEpisodeOfPrisonBreak

    Was FAR better than Batman. FACT.

  • April 28, 2010, 12:08 p.m. CST

    Iron Man better than The Dark Knight

    by barnaby jones

    Lay off the crack, it's making say and do CRAZY things.

  • April 28, 2010, 12:11 p.m. CST

    Mask of the Phantasm...

    by tj donkey show

    Is the best super hero movie ever.

  • April 28, 2010, 12:12 p.m. CST

    Superman II

    by damned-dirty-ape

    Honestly, once you see Richard Donners cut of Superman II, you'll see what a wasted film the theatrical relase was. Yes, it was good, but Donners cut was so much better. It's nearly a different film altogether.

  • April 28, 2010, 12:13 p.m. CST

    "Dark Knight had a weak ending"

    by MattmanReturns

    Actually I think it had the the most powerful superhero movie ending of all time. Instant classic. Walked out of the theater feeling like the movie had punched me in the gut.

  • April 28, 2010, 12:15 p.m. CST

    Batman Returns looked like it was filmed in a snowglobe

    by MattmanReturns

    It gets worse every time I see it. The Penguin is just nasty and has nothing to do with the character he's based on. Catwoman is cool, but she's also batshit insane for some reason. Oh yeah, because Tim Burton got his way.

  • April 28, 2010, 12:16 p.m. CST

    I wonder

    by Ripleys_nipples

    If they release a new Supeman movie, all of us are gonna talk about the Iron Man movies.

  • April 28, 2010, 12:19 p.m. CST

    IM > TDK = FACT

    by ominus

    you know it.

  • April 28, 2010, 12:20 p.m. CST

    Batman 89 vs Batman Returns

    by Ripleys_nipples

    If you thought the first one was better than the second, chances are you probably gonna go to Heaven.

  • April 28, 2010, 12:21 p.m. CST

    The main problem with Batman Returns...

    by StatelyWayneManor

    ...was that it was a Penguin movie more than a Batman movie. Batman Forever was a lot more enjoyable.

  • April 28, 2010, 12:21 p.m. CST

    IHaveSeenEveryEpisodeOfPrisonBre ak

    by elsewhere

  • April 28, 2010, 12:22 p.m. CST

    what was pointless was the trapped ships in the 3rd act

    by ominus

    of the film.totally pointless and unrealistic.Look TDK could tell exactly the same story in a lot less time.Thats my main problem with the film,it drags on and on to repeat the same fucking things.<br /><br /><p>As i said great flick but not the masterpiece that the prejudiced fanboys believe that it is.After 10 years you will be talking about how TDK (and SM2 another mediocre film) was not that good,just like you are already doing with Superman,Xmen2,Batman returns,etc.remember that.

  • April 28, 2010, 12:23 p.m. CST

    Stately the same applies with TDK

    by ominus

    it was more a Joker/2Face movie than a Batman one.

  • April 28, 2010, 12:26 p.m. CST

    When was the last time someone...

    by Colonel Activity

    had a lobster pinch their scrotum? Has it really been that furry? If you can't do it correct, eat a desk and keep with the barking at the moon. Periods are both for sentences and vaginas: just remember which one your mother prefers when suntanning in a cloudy sky in Idaho with Tea Partiers who voted for Nader's transexual maid from Bolivia for Treasurer of Ventura County, California in 1994. That might be hard; twas a different time, betwixt elections for the goat-prince homosexual lord! All hail Scrabble and turtles!<p> hahahahhhhhhahahahahhshshshshshshhahahahhahahahahahahehehehehehahha

  • April 28, 2010, 12:26 p.m. CST

    TDK

    by Ripleys_nipples

    C'mon, everybody fucking loved that movie when it came out. Don't trash it right now just because it's benn 2 years.

  • April 28, 2010, 12:28 p.m. CST

    No love for Batman & Robin?

    by Ripleys_nipples

    It was the best adaptation of the Batman TV series from the 60s.

  • April 28, 2010, 12:29 p.m. CST

    Ominus, TDK was Harvey Dent's movie

    by MattmanReturns

    Everything revolved around him. Which was fine with me because Batman Begins fully established Batman in a very satisfying way. Also, Harvey was not treated like a villain. He simply had a story arc that ended tragically and violently.

  • April 28, 2010, 12:31 p.m. CST

    The Dark Knight is highly overrated.

    by Ironhelix

    I too was left asking myself "what was so great about that?" after the movie was over. I liked it, but I never felt the urge to see it again.

  • April 28, 2010, 12:32 p.m. CST

    BATMAN RETURNS ??!!??!!

    by Hagakure

    Giant Fucking Penguins. Enough said.

  • April 28, 2010, 12:32 p.m. CST

    It was great

    by Colonel Activity

    It was great. Are we talking about 3 Ninjas at Mega Mountain, the best sequel ever. Wow, the times I've jerked off to that one...

  • April 28, 2010, 12:37 p.m. CST

    Perfect casting?

    by grendel69

  • April 28, 2010, 12:37 p.m. CST

    Why

    by JoeD

    is it so tough for people to enjoy Iron Man more, but recognize the Dark Knight as the better film. I like both movies, but Iron Man is way more enjoyable on just about every level. The Dark Knight actually has a theme or twelve in it, and is by far the better movie. Everything is so freaking all or nothing here.

  • April 28, 2010, 12:37 p.m. CST

    Perfect casting?

    by grendel69

    Downeys Stark is NOTHING like how I remember the character to be. Downey is playing Downey, not Stark.

  • April 28, 2010, 12:39 p.m. CST

    I have a feeling latinoreview is right.

    by knowthyself

    This movie looks like a bloated mess.

  • April 28, 2010, 12:43 p.m. CST

    Superman II: The Richard Donner Cut

    by MapMan

    is the only way to watch SII. Everything now makes sense. How the Kryptonians got released from the Phantom Zone. How Superman got his powers back. None of the silly shit with Kryptonians shooting beams from their fingers or Superman throwing his logo at someone. The only problem was that the ending used the same time-travel gimmick as the first one. Nothing you could do about that except re-shoot the ending.<br><br> Also, I have really come to appreciate IM over the past few years. Enjoyable and rewatchable but it is not quite in the same league as TDK. TDK is in a league of its own.

  • April 28, 2010, 12:44 p.m. CST

    I saw MJØLNIR!!!!!!!! jippi

    by theDannerDaliel

    I was at the first showing in Norway!!!! I was the only guy who waited til after the credits!! I think i migth be one of ,if not the first to see MJØLNIR on screen:)!!! Also, the the way Tony uses Captain Americas shield was hillarious!!! Did you see the aftermath of the Hulks rampage on the monitors when Tony is talking with Nick Fury!!! This movie was great!!!! oh...In My Opinion ofcourse.....Also that little nod to the recasting of rhodey:) "i wasn´t expecting to see YOU here" -"Im here, deal with it" that was class.......

  • April 28, 2010, 12:48 p.m. CST

    There were obvious comparisons between TDK and IM

    by Stalkeye

    One, they were both big blockbuster films i.e. critical and commercial success.Two,Superhero films based on the two rival comic companies:Marvel and DC often bring out the biased fanboy spirit from some if not most of us.("Batman is better' "fuck that, Ironman pwns!")and lastly, there is stark (no pun intended) contrast between the two superhero films.<p> TDK had a more serious tone(Neo Noir as it's called.)more akin to a Crime drama than Burton's semi campiness. a great and complex story and a ending in which the protagonist makes a noble decision that serves somewhat as a cliffhanger with lines like;"why does he run?' "Because he has to.."<p>Ironman however, had a good mix of action,humor and a origin that was partly inspired from the "Armor Wars' Saga. When Stark relizes that his weapons were being used to harm innocents, (not to mention his ailment with the shrapnel.)Tony changes to policy of stark Industires, thus envoking Obadiah to take drastic measures.The chemistry between RDJ and Howard was cool especially during two scenes.Ironman got it right on the first try, when there have been a few attempts from previous directors during Bats' 80's-90's run until Nolan hit it out the park. And yes, I'll put up with Bale anyday than flabby faced keaton.<p>IMO both are great films and worthy of being in my Blu-ray collection.

  • April 28, 2010, 12:52 p.m. CST

    My thoughts on IM and TDK

    by Marksman91

    TDK is the better film, with the better acting and writing overall. It felt more like it was based on a Batman graphic novel than a comic book story arc. Instead, Iron Man certainly had that more comic-book-like feel, and was just fun as hell to watch. In the end, to me, it goes like this: IM feels like an incredible comic-book adaptation, TDK feels like an incredible adaptation of a graphic novel.

  • April 28, 2010, 1:04 p.m. CST

    poor recording,but the actual post credit scene....

    by theDannerDaliel

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1oVsw17kEJg dont watch it if you havent seen the film.......

  • April 28, 2010, 1:06 p.m. CST

    Seriously? No one's outraged about

    by BASEMENT_CHEETOH_EATER

  • April 28, 2010, 1:07 p.m. CST

    Batman Returns?

    by BASEMENT_CHEETOH_EATER

    Batman Returns can't suckle on the throbbing cock that is Burton's first Batman. That movie was utter shit. That piss-poor observation alone kills the veracity of this reviewer's opinion.

  • April 28, 2010, 1:13 p.m. CST

    I wish he hadn't ...

    by The StarWolf

    Compared it to DARK KNIGHT, that is. Because, while it was a terrific Joker movie, I couldn't help feel they'd forgotten to put in the Batman. As Batman movies go I thought it quite inferior to BATMAN BEGINS.

  • April 28, 2010, 1:18 p.m. CST

    I enjoyed Iron Man more than Dark Knight

    by SpawnofAchilles

    as well. It's infinitely more re-watchable and much more fun. Is it a 'better,' higher quality movie? I'm not sure, probably not. Dark Knight has many issues though, too long, has many plot holes, the third act sucks (just like many people say Iron Man's does.) The fight scenes are somewhat weak. Two-face stuff is a mess/waste of the character. It's a good movie but overrated and Iron Man kicks ass.

  • April 28, 2010, 1:25 p.m. CST

    I'm guessing Paltrow

    by AzulTool

    Mickey Rourke has got movie gossips guessing about the actress he hated working with after confessing to teaming up with "a pain in the ass" in a recent movie. "The Wrestler" star reveals the actress in question has fooled everyone into thinking she's "a lot better than she is." Rourke tells MovieHole.net, "I worked with an actress recently who, despite having a reputation as a good actress, s**ts herself when that little red light comes on. "She's fooled everyone into thinking she's a lot better than she is. Working with someone like that is a pain in the a**."

  • April 28, 2010, 1:28 p.m. CST

    Batman Returns is awful.

    by DoctorWho?

    Just awful. If you're still engaged in the movie by the time Penguin is giving his monologue to his little penguins in the sewer, than you have some serious patience. I so couldn't give a fuck at that point.<p> Superman II rocked me into the back of my seat when I saw it in the theatre. Even the amnesia kiss and the shooting beams from fingertips couldn't derail the glory of that Metropolis battle. The underneath shot of Zod, Ursa and Non flying through downtown, the score etc. All great. Like the other poster said...i have yet to see it equaled.<p> And I'm glad to see an Iron Man II review like this from someone who seems to have the same feelings about the first one. I'm very skeptical about this one. Harry's review is...well, Harry's review. I love the passion, but I need a more clinical review. Thanks.

  • April 28, 2010, 1:36 p.m. CST

    Batman Forever was very

    by Samuel Fulmer

    how shall I put it, in your face with it's, uhmm, content (20 something year old Robin shacking up with Bruce Wayne, "Train Me Bruce, Let me be your PARTNER!"...Riddler and Two Face prancing around in jewelry after a heist, Batman having to choose to save his girlfriend and his partner, and choosing both, nipples on Batman bondage suit, etc...)

  • April 28, 2010, 1:37 p.m. CST

    Batman Returns is brilliant

    by Samuel Fulmer

    And if you think otherwise, there's always The Return of Captain Invincible.

  • April 28, 2010, 1:39 p.m. CST

    Latauro does not exist in this dojo

    by Cobra--Kai

    No mention of Scarlett's ass ging up stairs? I have to say i'm disappointed in Latauro - after all he is from 'down under'.

  • April 28, 2010, 1:41 p.m. CST

    by Cobra--Kai

    Maybe Latauro had to take a piss halfway through and missed that moment.<p> Me, i'd rather have pissed my pants than missed Scarlett's ass going up stairs.

  • April 28, 2010, 1:43 p.m. CST

    Where's Terrance Howard's Review!!!!!

    by Samuel Fulmer

  • April 28, 2010, 1:45 p.m. CST

    People who like Iron Man more than TDK do so because..

    by IndustryKiller!

    It's an easier lighter film. And there's nothing wrong with that, I love Iron Man too, but that does not make it a better film, because it , in very demonstrable levels, is not. One's enjoyment of something or it's rewatchability has nothing to do with quality. I'm sure you guys watch Iron Man more than you do Raging Bull, but that doesn't mean it's a better film. The Dark Knight is firing, expertly, on too many thematic and allegorical levels to be anything but a masterpiece. The filmmaking contained therein is also brilliant, EASILY the best of Nolans career and the first demonstration of the auteur status thrust upon him prematurely. <P>But my favorite part is what a brilliant comic book adaptation it is. People say Iron Man is a more comic bookey film, I would disagree, less dark does not mean more comic bookey. The devil is in the detail with TDK. In Begins Goyer's awful script goes to almost comedic lengths to maintain realism, only to throw that away completely whenever it becomes inconvenient. This also makes Bruce Waynes weak origin into becoming batman, an origin that fails even get to square one when describing how a man basically wills himself to becoming inhumanly adept at fighting crime. and doesn't even attempt to crack the surface of Bruce Waynes insanely complicated pathos, seem at once too long AND an afterthought. Nolan, scripting himself, wisely injects a much more pulp fiction sensibility into the proceedings without sacrificing tone. WHile the characters are written humanely, the Gotham City Batman exists in, while aesthetically recognizable, is firmly in the realm of comic books from the very beginning bank heist. While the film may not have the devil may care attitude of Iron Man, and is much mroe of a slow burn, I find it's brilliant commentary on the relationship between comic book heroes and villains, the best I've ever seen in ANY medium, to be incredibly thrilling and entertaining.

  • April 28, 2010, 1:45 p.m. CST

    AzulTool dont give much credibility to what Rourke says

    by ominus

  • April 28, 2010, 1:45 p.m. CST

    MARK PELLEGRINO FOR THE JOKER

    by Dharma4

    Make it so.

  • April 28, 2010, 1:47 p.m. CST

    A lot of these movies go south in the second act.

    by cookylamoo

    For example Superman II is incredibly exciting up though the big fight with the phantom zoners in Metropolis, then it turns to shit. Batman Returns isn't bad up through the Catwoman rampage sequence, then it rots. Batman Begins takes a dive at the party scene. Dark Knight has the stupid ferry plot, etc etc. Is there some kind of gremlin out there who ruins these films or is it the meddling bankers and the studio heads? At least Iron Man was constantly bland throughout.

  • April 28, 2010, 1:50 p.m. CST

    Latino Review has a description of the IM2 extra scene

    by AzulTool

  • April 28, 2010, 1:52 p.m. CST

    "hell, even the second FANTASTIC FOUR film managed to improve on

    by Nocturama

    I stopped reading after that.

  • April 28, 2010, 1:53 p.m. CST

    +

    by Nocturama

    "hell, even the second FANTASTIC FOUR film managed to improve on the first" that's the whole quote --

  • April 28, 2010, 1:55 p.m. CST

    AzulTool.......Rourke and the actress.....

    by theDannerDaliel

    He really didnt have any scenes with Paltrow or Johannsen ? I know he hates Nicole Kidman, buts thats old news...... I read an interview were he said he wouldnt bash people like this again..... guess he never learns. But he`s so cool it doesnt matter. This is odder still : Rourke quote about Megan Fox :"It was a lot of fun. (Fox) was great to work with... I mean, look at her! And it was also great to work with someone who may be beautiful and good-looking but also knows how to do her homework. I think people will have a different perspective of her (after this film). It was great to work with someone like Megan." Read more: http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/blogs/dailydish/detail?entry_id=62265#ixzz0mQGScTA4

  • April 28, 2010, 1:55 p.m. CST

    Ending of Dark Knight was epic...

    by sambafreak13

    ...Batman running from the cops with the voiceover from Gorden gives me chills every time. Thought both movies (IM and DK) were excellent in completely different ways, and definitely looking forward to IM2.

  • April 28, 2010, 1:57 p.m. CST

    so whats the post credits scene?

    by Bathman

    The youtube video keeps getting taken down, someone just tell me if both Cap and thor appear?

  • April 28, 2010, 2:01 p.m. CST

    for me IM is the more realistic film than TDK

    by ominus

    it establishes a very believable world where an Iron Man super-hero is not a far-fetched reality.While the world of TDK looks realistic on surface,if you sit down and think about it,a lot of things dont make sense.Take for example the tumbler.batman uses a tank as a car to patrol the city.and in both movies the only thing that he managed is to destroy half the city.even Alfred mocks him about that in both films ffs.<br /><p>or the whole plan of Gordon,Bamtan and Dent to capture Joker.i am the only one who noticed a bit of an awkward moment when everyone was celebrating that they captured the Joker while half a dozen of cops died without probably even knowing that the whole thing was a bait for Joker? frankly i would call the whole execution of the plan a total failure from the part of Batman.is this realism?<br /><p>yes Iron Man did have its pair of unreal moments (the sequence when the f16 were hunting IM didnt make sense.where the fuck was Rodney's base with the radars? in middle-east or in usa,because the whole time it seemed like he could take his car and go see Tony.)But IM was a light-heart,family,entertaining movie so you could easily bypass these nitpicks which were unable to harm the verisimilitude of the film.Whereas TDK purpose was from the start to be a very serious,mature and realistic movie and thats why its flaws of realism are more noticeable and more criticized.

  • April 28, 2010, 2:05 p.m. CST

    and ofc the trapped ships sequence in TDK

    by ominus

    is as unreal as it gets.Obviously Nolan,whose interest in human psyche is pretty obvious in his films, has no clue how people react in the face of death in real life.

  • April 28, 2010, 2:06 p.m. CST

    people who say that if you like IM better than DK are idiots...

    by dale dragon

    are idiots themselves. these are opinions. I think Dark night was a great movie, over all I like Iron Man better. It was just more fun for me. I loved watching Downey in that role. Bale, not so much. Yes, Ledger was amazing as the Joker... and that really made that film. But somethings in it didnt do it for me sometimes... The whole 'Gordon is dead, oh hes not" was useless. Gyllenhaal sucked. And the Two Face thing... admit it... was rushed. I actually liked the build up for it, but would have liked if they saved him for a movie all by itself. Not saying IM didnt have its faults either... the ending fight scene, blah. But I like it more. Understand that DK fanboys, people like other things than you.

  • April 28, 2010, 2:15 p.m. CST

    Batman Returns

    by Sonod

    was a pile of puss, except for Michelle Pfieffer. She is the only reason to watch it. The Dark Knight was good, but only because Ledger was brilliant. Iron Man was easily the best of these 3 - because of RDJ.

  • April 28, 2010, 2:18 p.m. CST

    sonod speaks the truth.

    by ominus

    hear him.

  • April 28, 2010, 2:18 p.m. CST

    Guillermo to do Dr. Strange/Defenders franchise

    by donkingkong

    SHIELD assembles a team to defend Earth from such an "secret invader", the group consists of eccentric scientist/academia types set to form the "Defenders", the oddball team set apart from the more distinguished Avengers team. Project "Defenders" will be the “Twilight Zone/X-Files” of the new Marvel movie franchises; they want it to be a Dr Strange-centric movie less on the action and more of a creepy thriller type of vibe to it. Marvel is gunning for a post-Hobbit Guillermo del Toro to direct and Neil Gaiman to write, both of whom expressed interest in the project in the past http://www.empireonline.com/news/story.asp?NID=21964

  • April 28, 2010, 2:20 p.m. CST

    they were both very good movies

    by WINONA_RYDERS_PUSSY_JUICE

    with different styles and tones. Iron man was more entertaining in a light-hearted, fun action sort of way while TDK was filmatically impressive and admirable on many levels, delivered the goods in many ways but had a very dark undertone and Heath Ledgers death lurking in the background.

  • April 28, 2010, 2:23 p.m. CST

    TDK is The Godfather to Iron Man's Star Wars

    by SithMenace

    TDK is the movie you put on when you want to think and take in a more serious, cerebral superhero film, while Iron Man is for kicking back and having a good time with fun characters, great action sequences and a goofy sci-fi feel. Both great movies, but very different. <p>I'm thankful to have such a wide range of quality Superhero films, and can't be bothered to waste my time with "this is so much better than that".

  • April 28, 2010, 2:26 p.m. CST

    HEAR THY CHILDREN THE WORDS OF SITH MENACE, FOR TIS THE TRUTH

    by Dharma4

  • April 28, 2010, 2:26 p.m. CST

    BATMAN RETURNS WAS FUCKING SHIT!!!FACT!!!

    by TehCreepyThinMan

    I still love Burton's iconic 89 original but the sequel was fucking terrible and you all know it. Kudos to Burton for getting Warners to finance such a dark and gothic summer flick though.

  • April 28, 2010, 2:29 p.m. CST

    BATMAN RETURNS

    by The Guy Who Slept Through Everything.

    Was terrific. Much, much better than the '89 Batman.

  • April 28, 2010, 2:29 p.m. CST

    Ominus

    by IndustryKiller!

    You're going to have to explain further about the barge scene. Are yous saying it's unrealistic that no one pushed the button? Well, I disagree, I think having the deaths of thousands on your spirit might deter anyone from doing something like that, even hardened criminals, whoa rent all monsters.<P>As for the Joker chase scene, yeah the Joker pretty much won that one. in fact he more or less beats Batman from beginning to end. Which I thought was pretty fucking cool. It certainly does it orgnically.<P>But I see and understand your larger point that TDK seems more realistic and therefore its comic book elements stick out more. I would agree with you in Batman Begins, whose tone is all over hte god damn place and is an incredibly overrated film, but liek I said in my post above, I think from teh get go Nolan establishes a world very firmly planted int eh realm of comic books. From the bank heist hoods to the terrified teeming masses of Gotham to the VERY comic bookish criminal underworld element. While the aesthetic tone of Nolans world seems to be more real, there is PLENTY in there that makes the whole thing exist in a clearly heightened reality, and that tone is consistent throughout.

  • April 28, 2010, 2:30 p.m. CST

    TDK Serious and cerebral? Bullshit.

    by Hey_Kobe_Tell_Me_How_My_Ass_Tastes

    It was a fun but seriously flawed movie. Too many geeks are looking for a 'Godfather' equivalent and just latch onto to TDK because they think Nolan can do no wrong. Bull-fucking-shit.

  • April 28, 2010, 2:31 p.m. CST

    The Two Face element was rushed though

    by IndustryKiller!

    And remains TDK's biggest flaw.

  • April 28, 2010, 2:31 p.m. CST

    Can't we all agree that

    by Samuel Fulmer

    Nolan's Batman films and Iron Man are better than the Raimi Spider-Man trilogy or Singer's two X-Men films!

  • April 28, 2010, 2:32 p.m. CST

    Of course when it comes to Two Face

    by Samuel Fulmer

    He might be back???

  • April 28, 2010, 2:34 p.m. CST

    TDK VS IRON MAN

    by Trannyformers_Apologist

    <P> better plot/story = TDK <P> better dialogue/script = TDK <P> better acting/gravitas = TDK <P> more suspense/emotional impact = TDK <P> more action/thrill = TDK <P> better music/score = TDK <P> is fun/light = Iron Man <P> Therefor... no contest. TDK is a better film than Iron Man, based on logic and reason. <P>

  • April 28, 2010, 2:36 p.m. CST

    Ominus is an Avatard

    by Trannyformers_Apologist

    His opinion is based on hate for TDK fanboys who bashed Avatar, not the movie.

  • April 28, 2010, 2:38 p.m. CST

    I totally agree the Spider man and X-Men franchises are weak

    by IndustryKiller!

    Those arent great films. Period. ANd they arent great representations of the best elements of the comic books the represent. Raimis trilogy is especially disappointing given that the two most interesting, and pathos driven characters in the history of comic books are Bruce Wayne and Peter Parker, and Raimi just does not get into the meat and potatoes of that character. I doubt the reboot will either. Sigh...

  • April 28, 2010, 2:42 p.m. CST

    logic and reason?

    by dale dragon

    its still your opinion. I think the acting is better in IM... my opinion is that Christian Bale still cant act. Heather Ledger was great. Gary Oldman (who I love as an actor), was alright. RDJ owns for me. Thats my opinion. Stopping being an idiot you moron

  • April 28, 2010, 3:04 p.m. CST

    Batman Forever was much better than Batman Returns!!

    by fanboy71

    that is all.

  • April 28, 2010, 3:07 p.m. CST

    Hey_Kobe

    by SithMenace

    I never said TDK was a Godfather equivalent, and I never said Nolan can do no wrong. The point of my post (which you obviously missed)was that They are two wildly different movies, both good in their own right. Nice try though.

  • April 28, 2010, 3:09 p.m. CST

    TDK & IronMan (Pros & Cons)

    by Stalkeye

    TDK<p>Pros:Great Story,improved fight scenes,best ending of a sequel since Empire strikes back , impressive soundtrack and of course great performances courtesy of:Eckhart,Caine,Freeman,Oldman and of course Heath ledger.(Nicolson, who?)Great dialog like "an unstoppable force versus an immovable object". <p>Cons:Maggie Gylenhall replaces Katie Holmes is a step way back.Bale's raspy voice although I can understand it's for the sake of anomitity.Two Face during the 3rd act did have that rushed feel to it but Aaron pulled it off somewhat.The 'you sink my battleship" scenario wasn't as bad as many may think BTW,so i don't see that as a Con.<p>IronMan<p>Pros:Great intro that leads to a flashback,IM's armor! Great design thanks to Stan Winston's studios,A few good action scenes here and there (not to mention that Ironman doesnt give the bad guys a "slap on the wrist" if you know what I mean.)a nice comedic touch and what can I say, RDJ!Oh, and the surprise post credits scene was the fucking icing on the cake.Avengers mission, FTW!<P>Cons:The typical walking away from the explosion cliche needs to die,No mandarin with the exception of the 10 rings organization,wasted final battle between IM and Obadiah Stane,weak score with the exception of the scene in which tony escapes from the 10 rings gang via prototype armor, and that's all I could think of really.But like i said before, both are great Comic based films and still hold up to last year's crop of flops(TF2,GiJoe and Terminator Salvation) and overrated,albiet forgettable films like Avatar.

  • April 28, 2010, 3:09 p.m. CST

    SII - Donnor Cut is required viewing...

    by MapMan

    in order to properly assess the story. It really throws the sequel into a whole new light. The added and changed parts tie in to Superman I better and are a great improvement. If you've only see the Lester cut of Superman II (theatrical cut) than you are really missing out.

  • April 28, 2010, 3:10 p.m. CST

    TDK is better than Godfather 3

    by Samuel Fulmer

    But jeez, so was Stargate!

  • April 28, 2010, 3:10 p.m. CST

    Sith

    by Hey_Kobe_Tell_Me_How_My_Ass_Tastes

    I don't care.

  • April 28, 2010, 3:11 p.m. CST

    Samuel Fulmer

    by SithMenace

    Spider-Man 2 is actually my favorite superhero film of all time. I grew up reading Amazing Spider-Man, Web of, Spectacular and anything else where Spider-Man crossed over, so I'm a little jaded, but I thought the first two SM films were excellent. Not without flaws, but definitely better than most other Marvel attempts up to that point.

  • April 28, 2010, 3:12 p.m. CST

    I still think Katie Holmes should have been in

    by Samuel Fulmer

    Dark Knight. At least you kind of felt some emotional connection between her and Bale in Batman Begins. Gyllenhall just seemed out of place, and had a problem playing the optimist that Rachael Dawes was set up as. And this is coming from someone who thought Katie Holmes wasn't that great in Batman Begins and usually likes Maggie Gyllenhall's work.

  • April 28, 2010, 3:13 p.m. CST

    Hey_Kobe

    by SithMenace

    Good. That means you can't defend your wrong and obnoxious post. I win, have a nice day.

  • April 28, 2010, 3:20 p.m. CST

    Sith - does that make you feel better bubie?

    by Hey_Kobe_Tell_Me_How_My_Ass_Tastes

    I'm so happy for you that your life is now so much better because you unilaterally declared yourself the winner in an anonymous talkback especially when the 'other side' -that would be me, feels no need to engage in a debate because you stated your opinion and I stated mine, and ne'er the twain shall meet. But you just keep fuckin that chicken and polishing your award for the win!

  • April 28, 2010, 3:26 p.m. CST

    Lol Kobe, I thought you didn't care

    by SithMenace

    Make up your mind champ.

  • April 28, 2010, 3:35 p.m. CST

    Superman is the best superhero movie but Puzo had nothing

    by Professor_Monster

    to do with it's success. Puzo's script was a joke feast and was 400pages + of nothing but ramblings. Tom Mankiewicz is the one who made that script what it was. All of the qouteable lines like "This is no fantasy" all the way to "Peter pan flew with children, Lois.... in a fairy tale" are Tom's work.

  • April 28, 2010, 3:37 p.m. CST

    Where are Nightmare on Elm Street Reviews?

    by Samuel Fulmer

  • April 28, 2010, 4:01 p.m. CST

    No, Superman is not the greatest superhero movie

    by Marvinatmiddleage

    "If he really loved her, he'd let her hit the ground. It would be a much more painless death..."

  • April 28, 2010, 4:11 p.m. CST

    Tranny i watched TDK twice in cinema

    by ominus

    and i bought the bluray s.e. immediately when it was released.so pal guess what: WRONG AGAIN.<br /><br /><p>BOUAHAHAHAHHAHAHA HA HA HA

  • April 28, 2010, 4:12 p.m. CST

    Just in: The Hobbit Officially Pushed to 2013

    by donkingkong

    With the Hobbit movies on hold, Marvel is gunning for Guillermo del Toro to direct and Neil Gaiman to write Dr. Strange [link removed] A Doctor Strange-centric "Defenders" movie that fits into what Marvel is now calling the “Marvel Cinematic Universe”. SHIELD pulls together a paranormal special ops team after the Military/SHIELD/NASA made contact with a "Beyonder" (or Celestial, some sort of "magical" trans-dimensional entity like... ahem, an Asgardian perhaps?) SHIELD realizes it doesn't have the capabilities to ascertain if this “thing” is a threat or not. Thus sets the premise for the Defenders movie, where the use of occult, fringe science, brains, and brawn are employed to defeat a multi-dimensional and or “secret invasion” cosmic threat to save the day in such a way that Avengers cannot. The team that SHIELD assembles to defend us from such an invader will be a group of eccentric scientist/academia types culled to form the "Defenders", the oddball counterpoint to the distinguished Avengers team. Project "Defenders" will be the “Twilight Zone” of the new Marvel movie franchises; they want it to be less of an action movie and have more of a creepy thriller type of vibe to it. The Defender operatives will consist of group leader - the brilliant Dr. Stephen Vincent Strange former renowned neurosurgeon turned occultist scholar and “metaphysicist” (character to be loosely based around Aleister Crowley /Terence McKenna eccentric by way of Robert Langdon, Namor McKenzie (Sub-Mariner, the superhuman Jacques-Yves Cousteau by way of Rudolf Steiner, believes he’s the literal Prince of Atlantis) , Dr. Robert Bruce Banner (Hulk, brilliant “omnidisciplinary” scientist, the world’s greatest expert on gamma radiation… need we say more?), Dr. Henry "Hank" Pym (Ant-Man, MIT professor renowned quantum physicist), and his partner Janet Van Dyne (Wasp, one-time student to Pym now associate, extremely bright but introverted Lady Gaga “individualist” type). Themes incorporated into Defenders movie include motifs from the bestselling magical/occult/secret society Dan Brown books, along with themes from the more recent Marvel series involving Secret [link removed] storylines (specifically the newer S.H.I.E.L.D. 2010 comic series). They'll be looking for lean lesser-known actors to play non-super hero type characters, and there are ruminations that Strange may be pushed forward to play a crucial role as catalyst to merge the magical other-dimensional realms like Asgard into the more "realistic" Iron Man universe. Questions remain about the timeline and release of the Doctor Strange character into the big screen. Will we see Doctor Strange in a smallish part for the upcoming Avengers movie helping to usher in the “magical” component onto the Marvel Cinematic Universe? Or will Strange remain left out of the Avengers universe altogether for now, and another plot device or character be used to infuse the “magical elements” instead of him?... They are determined to bring on Dr. Strange movie post Ant-Man, the question remains will Strange remain side-lined for now? Some at Marvel are extremely hush-hush as plot points, characters as well as want-lists that are still being hashed-out for upcoming films, others think it’s good to gauge public opinion about what properties the public truly cares for and how they can be incorporated to the larger Marvel Movie-verse whilst staying true to the premise of the characters. Some of us like me see the potential and are really pushing for a Doctor Strange-centric Defenders movie but more importantly having Strange play a pivotal if not smallish role in the upcoming Avengers movie.

  • April 28, 2010, 4:14 p.m. CST

    I also saw TDK twice in the theater

    by SithMenace

    and bought the Blu-Ray.

  • April 28, 2010, 4:41 p.m. CST

    Why every time an Iron man 2 discussion

    by Sgtcrispytoast

    comes up people can't stop talking about how much better or worse The Dark Knight was? It's gotten old.

  • April 28, 2010, 4:47 p.m. CST

    Trannyformers

    by gun_will_travel

    TDK v Sophie's Choice better plot/story = Sophie's Choice better dialogue/script = Sophie's Choice better acting/gravitas = Sophie's Choice more suspense/emotional impact = Sophie's Choice more action/thrill = TDK better music/score = tie is fun/light = TDK Therefore... no contest. Sophie's Choice is a better film than TDK, based on "logic and reason." Have fun with Meryl Streep, I'll be watching IM2.

  • April 28, 2010, 5:15 p.m. CST

    Batman Forever is FUCKING AWESOME YOU DUMBASS

    by Proman1984

  • April 28, 2010, 5:16 p.m. CST

    Also, Iron Man was nothing special and story was weak

    by Proman1984

  • April 28, 2010, 5:26 p.m. CST

    ...Batman Forever was pretty cool

    by yourSTEPDADDY

    ...for a nondark Batman movie... I think I enjoyed them all for what their worth (Batman Returns for the love angle of Batman, Batman Begins for origin, Dark Knight for the Joker, Batman Forever for its fun, Batman and Robin for its camp, Return of the Joker for a future Batman story, the Batman tv show movie for its villains, and Mask of the Phantasm for an iconic Batman story)...

  • April 28, 2010, 6:03 p.m. CST

    i liked the fantastic 4 films

    by RedBull_Werewolf

    it was so refreshing to watch a superhero movie that you know. was fun, way too many these days dry and have inner turmoil/demons and depresion thrown in, but in all honesty these are based on comics, why not make them fun to be a superhero (spiderman kind of attempted this but failed with the third one)<P>batman can be dark, he is after all a normal human whose led a shitty life, but i don't need to see superman brooding or iron man depresed, for fucks sake

  • April 28, 2010, 6:37 p.m. CST

    ...FF was unfantastic... but Human Torch was PERFECT

    by yourSTEPDADDY

  • April 28, 2010, 6:53 p.m. CST

    ehh was ok

    by nycguy82

    i seen an advanced screening, this movie was ok but nothing to brag about.. it was fun but after a few hours u forget the movie, it doesnt stick with u and i bet within 4 months this movie will be nothing but a memory to ppl

  • April 28, 2010, 7:14 p.m. CST

    even the second FANTASTIC FOUR film managed to improve on the fi

    by RaptorJesus

    No, Just no.

  • April 28, 2010, 7:24 p.m. CST

    LALALALALALALA

    by Powerring

    I am plugging my ears and closing my eyes. I am refusing to read any reviews, comments, sneak peeks or even trailers. I am going into the movie cold so I can enjoy it and not be predjudiced, anticipatory of something or spoiled out of enjoying the movie.

  • April 28, 2010, 7:42 p.m. CST

    Hobbit is a 2012 movie. Confirmed.

    by critch

    http://www.comingsoon.net/news/movienews.php?id=65561 Also that Defenders movie will never happen. Sounds like a fanboy dream.

  • April 28, 2010, 7:56 p.m. CST

    Looks Sweet

    by Boston_Brand_Lives

    Will totally be my highlight for the summer, personally iron man was def. on par with the dark knight

  • April 28, 2010, 8:17 p.m. CST

    I wouldnt say Batman Returns

    by brandonbreaks

    I cant agree that it was better than Batman. I am definitely looking forward to IM2 though.

  • April 28, 2010, 9:14 p.m. CST

    F. Four 2 didn't improve monkey nuts!

    by dead youngling

    The original is better by FAR--Surfer was cool, though.

  • April 28, 2010, 9:52 p.m. CST

    TDK > Iron Man

    by cookylamoo

    because the Joker is 100 x more fun than the Ironmonger.

  • April 28, 2010, 10:07 p.m. CST

    @Knobules

    by MapMan

    I agree with your sentiments about those scenes but I'm not even sure if the roller skating guy is in the Donner cut!!

  • April 28, 2010, 10:24 p.m. CST

    Nice Review

    by eman1111

    Really enjoyed the review and it backs up what I was saying on another talkback that IM2 has the burden of insanely high expectations. Even if it is as good as IM many people will be disappointed. But people you must judge a film on its merits alone and try to maintain balance when going into a movie you are excited about.

  • April 28, 2010, 10:34 p.m. CST

    Acting in IM vs. TDK

    by eman1111

    I have to disagree that the acting in TDK is better than in IM, I think in both movies the acting was excellent. While Ledger's performance was captivating it is always easier to play an over the top character than it is to play an understated one. The person who I think doesn't get enough credit for doing a great job was Bridges in IM. Instead of starting out as some crazed bad guy he is a much more realistic villain, cunning, charming, manipulative and sneaky as you don't know he is way bad until you are dead. For me that is a much more interesting villain. Being a big IM fan I knew going in the Stane was bad but for people not familiar with the IM storylines it would have definitely been a surprise to them when Bridges turns out to be bad. He played it perfectly and at the end when the power of Iron Monger is blowing his mind he goes over the top, which makes his development as the villain very nuanced instead of in your face I am the villain in this movie from the get go. Also Downey absolutely owns Bale in regards the main character, not saying Bale didn't do a good job but Downey was just flat out better. As far as the other actors Paltrow has never been sexier or more interesting than in IM. So overall IM gets the nod for better acting as Downey gets the win over Bale in my book.

  • April 28, 2010, 11:10 p.m. CST

    Why my friends at Latino Review are Dead Wrong about Iron Man 2

    by EddieMurphysLaugh

  • April 28, 2010, 11:14 p.m. CST

    The fact any of you are still talking about Batman Forever auto.

    by EddieMurphysLaugh

  • April 28, 2010, 11:25 p.m. CST

    The new Batman films won't hold up well over time

    by kevred

    At least that's my personal opinion, and as such isn't right or wrong.<p>They have really impressive production values. Great casts. Some effective moments, and great consistent tone. But they're also pretty thin stories if you really look at it, the acting is of a very limited range (Bale especially--pretty flat overall), and all the sound and fury seems to want to imply more substance than we're actually getting.<p>Begins put me to sleep (literally, which never happens), and as striking as TDK was on first viewing, it's not really all that memorable to me.<p>I suppose it's possible that 30 years from now people will be revering TDK as much as they do Superman (which deserves it, IMO). But I have the feeling that over time, these films will just seem to take themselves far more seriously than the content justifies.

  • April 28, 2010, 11:26 p.m. CST

    Bridges was excellent

    by WINONA_RYDERS_PUSSY_JUICE

    As was Downey Jr. But Ledger's performance might have been the best ever in a comics flick.

  • April 28, 2010, 11:27 p.m. CST

    eman1111:You should compare IM1vs.Batman Begins...

    by Thanos0145

    and then IM2vs.TDK.

  • April 28, 2010, 11:34 p.m. CST

    The ending of TDK best ever?

    by MandrakeRoot

    What movie were you people watching? The horrible sonar fight between Batman and Joker? The lame standoff where Gordon begs Two-Face not to shoot his son before falling to his death? Ohh god, so heartwrenching. The idea of Batman being on the run was interesting however the movie leading upto that idea was anything but. Yeah TDK was thematically heavier then Iron Man, but there's tons of movies dealing with way more complex themes then TDK that aren't necessarily better. The over-reaching praise for TDK is clear cut proof that fanboys have huge double-standards.

  • April 28, 2010, 11:35 p.m. CST

    All right Thanos I will

    by eman1111

    I liked BB but not as much as IM. The acting in BB is great but it is better in IM. Also from a comparison stand point you hear a lot of TDK fans wanting to compare box office numbers between IM and TKD and that is an unfair comparison as well as they should be comparing IM to BB and even then the comparison is not really valid and here is why. IM was not anywhere near as well known as Batman to the mainsream audience and still IM trashed BB both domestically and internationally and for IM to do over half a billion worldwide and over 300 million domestically testifies to the strength of the film and the acting. TDK had two major advantages over IM going in, first of all BB had already been out and built a new audience for Batman and again Batman is better known than IM to the mainstream American audience. When you compare it on those factors IM comes out looking incredibly good. Also the tracking for IM2 is really high and it will be interesting to see if it breaks TDK weekend record.

  • April 28, 2010, 11:39 p.m. CST

    And of course

    by MandrakeRoot

    Can't forget the absolutely riveting ferry sequence? Whos gonna die!? Convicts, civilians? People NO ONE CARES ABOUT. Seriously it feels like an unused plot element from Die Hard 3. Wasted potential. <p> And BTW, I liked TDK.

  • April 28, 2010, 11:42 p.m. CST

    Eman1111

    by MandrakeRoot

    Your correct, although your looking past the single biggest advantage TDK had over Iron Man. Heath Ledger. His death was extremely tragic, and he gave the film a level of hype you cannot buy.

  • April 28, 2010, 11:50 p.m. CST

    Kevred

    by MandrakeRoot

    Well said. TDK was striking upon first viewing, because it has a dark - therefore unique - tone for a superhero movie. Also watching the deceased Heath Ledger playing an iconic character was pretty heavy, no doubt about it. It was also a great performance. Your right though...the plot of the movie is very thin and many ways, and most the story arcs seemed really small and quick. Many scenes had no real impact on the end of the movie and over-arcing story. Characters were rushed and two-dimensional. The movie is a technical masterpiece (well, in all but action editing), and I firmly believe many people blow that aspect up as proof that the movie is a masterpiece as a whole. I'd say it ranks high in superhero movies, but it's got company.

  • April 29, 2010, 12:03 a.m. CST

    Both TDK and IM were underwhelming

    by WeakThirdAct

    When you dig down past all the crap about plot and acting and direction, TDK was basically a failed attempt to take a mythical character who would NEVER exist in the real world (viz a rasping vigilante in a cape) and... plant him in the real world. Just didn't work. And IM, while it had its fun moments, had only enough plot to sustain one 30 minute episode of (insert superhero TV series here). And the showdown between IM and Monger was meh to say the best. I'll still drag my arse along to IM2, of course.

  • April 29, 2010, 12:18 a.m. CST

    MandrakeRoot you are right

    by eman1111

    Heath's death certainly helped the film from an awareness factor and probably had something to do with its gigantic opening weekend. WeakThirdAct cannot disagree with you more. Both IM and TDK were really good movies. Being a huge IM fan since I started reading the comic in 1969 I was both excited and scared when I heard IM was going to be made as a movie. Fav's exceeded my expectations and really delivered a great comic book movie. Exciting, fun, had some depth, really good acting and some timely humor. Plus IM in action was amazing, especially the scene in the Afghan village. I think IM and TDK are two of the best of their genre ever.

  • April 29, 2010, 12:36 a.m. CST

    IM vs TDK

    by cloudrider`

    i think directors of both film need serious lesson in creating actions. a great action sequence should have 3 acts. watch the best sequences from john woo, cameron, and wachowskis, and they'll clearly demonstrate to you how it should be done. the actions in ironman has no structural rhythm to it. it's basically just an action moment here and there. tdk fares better, the action scenes have beats and structures to them but they were so poorly conceived and lousily edited anyway that in the end they actually become the film's weakness instead of its strength.

  • April 29, 2010, 2:32 a.m. CST

    kevred

    by AsimovLives

    Nonsense. It's the other way around. Nolan's Batmans movies are like fine wine, they will only get better with age. Deal with it.

  • April 29, 2010, 2:36 a.m. CST

    they both had relatively weak 3rd acts

    by WINONA_RYDERS_PUSSY_JUICE

    so its a stalemate in that regard. I actually think Iron Man was more successful in telling a compelling, imersive story. It was simpler but got the job done, in an entertaining fashion. I started to lose interest in TDK at the end when the plot started to unravel slightly. I also found TDK's 9/11 terrorism/patriot act allegory stupid, tiresome and out of place.

  • April 29, 2010, 4:28 a.m. CST

    A missed opportunity?

    by Darryl_Revok

    I always thought that the triggers in the barges were rigged to blow up their OWN ship. Which would have been a great twist, that those that sank to that level would have killed themselves instead.

  • April 29, 2010, 4:57 a.m. CST

    SUPERMAN II and BATMAN RETURNS????

    by hst666

    Neither were as good as the first, especially Superman II with his unexplained powers and really campy dialog. Maybe you mean the Donner cut, which I have yet to see.

  • April 29, 2010, 5:50 a.m. CST

    Saw it last night in London...

    by londonfnut

    ...terrible. Loved the first one, this one is so terrible it's breathtaking. Way too much talk, way too much set-up, way too much overacting from Sam Rockwell, and far too few set-piece action sequences. No stand-out scenes. Was bored on numerous occasions. Bad, bad, bad.

  • April 29, 2010, 6:21 a.m. CST

    Good review. It's not as good as Iron Man.

    by hallmitchell

    I'm not saying it's radically worse. It's just not as good. First twenty minutes are way too cocky.

  • April 29, 2010, 6:27 a.m. CST

    TDK >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> IM

    by LaserPants

    The first is brilliant and (arguably) only honest film about 9/11 and how Americans reacted to it and processed it. TDK is the American subconscious transformed into funnybook tropes and thrown up on the screen in IMAX. It is unassailably brilliant and should have won the Oscar that year.<br><br>IM, on the other hand, is a mildly entertaining, if forgettable, action comedy. It was okay. Odds are IM 2 will also be okay. On dvd.

  • April 29, 2010, 7:01 a.m. CST

    I enjoyed Superman III - even the Richard Pryor stuff

    by Maniaq

    I enjoyed Superman II as well - the theatrical cut - all that goofy shit, that was all part of the charm - and don't kid yourselves that the first movie didn't have any of that shit in it<br /><br />the Richard Donner cut of Superman II - boring as batshit<br /><br />but I guess I'm in the minority so... whatev

  • April 29, 2010, 7:09 a.m. CST

    Superman III

    by elsewhere

    The trash compactor scene with evil Superman vs Clark holds up well. Probably the best part about Superman III.

  • April 29, 2010, 7:34 a.m. CST

    Just saw Iron Man 2 and...

    by BennyL

    whilst it plays the cliched "daddy issues" card and is a tad slow and exposition laden at first, the final reel absolutely rocked my jibblets to orgasm.

  • April 29, 2010, 8:49 a.m. CST

    I didnt think Iron Man 1 was all that great...

    by Mrhazard

    But again, I like my superhero brooding and depressing not light and comical...<p> Dark Knight is the fuckin Godfather II of superhero movies...

  • April 29, 2010, 9:38 a.m. CST

    IndustryKiller!

    by ominus

    what i mean is that in true life, people would not just sit there and start voting who dies and who not.Panic and total chaos would ensue since the basic instinct of survival would kick in.Just remember how the native people reacted after the Haiti earthquake.No time for philosophical discussion on who deserves to live or not,when you face death.But i understand that it would be impossible for Nolan to direct the scene like this,because essentially proves Joker's point of view.and we dont want to dissapoint the mainstream audience with a non-hollywood happy ending right? and people describe this film as dark? Dark films are films like Seven,Apocalypse Now,etc,not Dark Knight because it has the word Dark in its title.<br /><br /><p>And my complain with the chase scene is how it was directed as realism goes.Yes Joker won but where was the grief for the lose of the policemen? where was the anxiety and the thrilling from the policemen and the presence of danger in the chase? nowhere because this scene was a comic-book scene with the policemen only as the obligatory cannon fodder to serve the action of the chase sequence which is there to entertain the audience.we even had at least 3 comedic scenes during the chase.is this how a serious and realistic cop/crime drama movie is considered? because if thats the case then Mann's Heat must be an overrated piece of shit.<br />

  • April 29, 2010, 9:41 a.m. CST

    The ending of TDK doesn't work...

    by cookylamoo

    Because both ferries would have exploded immediately. (Who can believe the Joker would play fair?) It might have worked if the ferry business was the culmination of the Two-Face plot, but they waited too long to get him two-faced and then he really didn't do much.

  • April 29, 2010, 10:37 a.m. CST

    TDK isnt a comic book movie

    by Drsambeckett1984

    Or a good Batman movie. Its a technically excellent movie with some strong performances (not Bale), but the plot is confused, the 3rd act is all over the place and they wasted the Scarecrow in a shite sequence. " Hockey Pants!"

  • April 29, 2010, 11:04 a.m. CST

    So now it's cool to piss on Bale's acting?

    by AsimovLives

    Fuck's sake, you kids and your atempts to try to sound cool! Why you keep on pissing on the talented actors, directors and movies to try to sound cool? Do it against the shiity ones, man! You don't get to be a badass cool by shitting on the good stuff, it only makes you an ass.

  • April 29, 2010, 11:05 a.m. CST

    TDK, The "Cries and Whispers" of nerds.

    by cookylamoo

    Yes, the deep metaphor and haunting imagery of a pencil going into someone's brain.

  • April 29, 2010, 11:07 a.m. CST

    Malick is hiring Christian Bale for his next movie-to-be

    by AsimovLives

    So, which person i'm going to trust in their opinions about Christian Bale's quality as an actor? Terrence Malick, director of DAYS OF HEAVEN, THE THIN RED LINE and BADLANDS, or a bunch of geeks who disliked TDK for weird uncompreensible reasons?

  • April 29, 2010, 12:06 p.m. CST

    cookylamoo

    by AsimovLives

    So, you are too good for Igmar Bergman, hem? Michael Bay is more your tastes, is that it?<br><br>And you are wrong, the movie that makes the geekery masturbates in mindless delight is JJ Abrams's STAR TREK. Get your facts right.

  • April 29, 2010, 12:10 p.m. CST

    Bale is a great actor and a very good batman too

    by ominus

    there is no denial in that.The problem is that he was underused in TDK since the movie was more about 2Faces origin.

  • April 29, 2010, 12:48 p.m. CST

    TDK Message - People are stupid.

    by cookylamoo

    OK.so you've got two boatloads of people who against all odds manage to prove that, given a chance, people are smart and will do the right thing. But a few minutes later Gordon and Batman decide that people are too stupid to understand that their district attorney was driven insane and instead launch a massive cover up. This is what you call mixed messaging.

  • April 29, 2010, 1:11 p.m. CST

    YES! Phew. And no surprise about Rockwell.

    by moonlightdrive

    He is an awesome actor and deserves more praise.

  • April 29, 2010, 1:11 p.m. CST

    YES! Phew. And no surprise about Rockwell.

    by moonlightdrive

    He is an awesome actor and deserves more praise.

  • April 29, 2010, 3:35 p.m. CST

    Besides Sam's got the closet gay thing down pat!

    by cookylamoo

  • May 1, 2010, 8:04 p.m. CST

    The Thin Red Line SUCKED ASS!!!

    by Maniaq

    I have never ever EVER walked out on a movie but I came sooooo damn close with that fucking WANK! Fucking hours of my life I will never get back. I remember my friend and I both looked at each other at the same time and just went "what the fuck???" - we had no idea at the time we were still only about halfway through that crap<br /><br />personally, I got no problem with Bale. Sure he can be a bit same-same a lot of the time, but hey that's what makes an actor "bankable" right?<br /><br />but don't fucking throw Terrence motherfucking Malick at me as some kind of justification FOR ANYTHING EVEN REMOTELY RESEMBLING "good" fucking cinema