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TRANSFORM3RS Badguy Revealed + A Few Plot Points!! No 'Dorky Comedy'!?

Published at: June 11, 2010, 12:19 a.m. CST

Merrick here...
USA Today talked to Michael Bay and Lorenzo di Bonaventura about why REVENGE OF THE FALLEN sucked like it did, and what we can expect from the third film in the franchise (due next Summer).
The new movie's foe is certain to make fans of the original '80s incarnation smile: Shockwave, the robot cyclops-turned-laser-cannon, who became dictator of their home world of Cybertron after the other Autobots and Decepticons journeyed to Earth. "One thing we're getting rid of is what I call the dorky comedy," Bay adds. So the twins, the two bumbling, slang-spewing robots? "They're basically gone," he says, though John Turturro returns for comic relief. [EDIT] it delves into the space race between the U.S.S.R. and the USA, suggesting there was a hidden Transformers role in it all that remains one of the planet's most dangerous secrets. "The movie is more of a mystery," Bay says. "It ties in what we know as history growing up as kids with what really happened."
...reveals USA Today HERE, in an article which goes on to discuss some other interesting details re: what's coming our way this time around. Check it out. Notice Michael describes The Twins as "basically gone." As we've suspected for a while, "basically" doesn't mean entirely...

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  • June 11, 2010, 12:16 a.m. CST

    YES!

    by LuminousBeing

    THIRD TIME!!!

  • June 11, 2010, 12:17 a.m. CST

    BULLSHIT LIES

    by Trannyformers_Apologist

    It will be worse than the second one<P> Razzie TIME !!!

  • June 11, 2010, 12:21 a.m. CST

    A Few Plot Points!!

    by ORIONgods

    hahahahahaahahhaahahahahahah you said PLOT hahhahahahah

  • June 11, 2010, 12:22 a.m. CST

    Will only work if it's a BOURNE/DIE HARD/24/MORTAL KOMBAT Crosso

    by zillabeast

  • June 11, 2010, 12:23 a.m. CST

    ps weak villain, i want DINOBOTS DAMN IT!

    by ORIONgods

  • June 11, 2010, 12:23 a.m. CST

    It's still going to suck probably..

    by Kontarsky

    twice burned, doubly shy.

  • June 11, 2010, 12:24 a.m. CST

    DINOBOTS seconded

    by Kontarsky

    I remember I always missed their episodes when I was a kid. Always felt cheated, then one day they actually played a 'new' rerun and it had DINOBOTS, OHHH YEAAAH.

  • June 11, 2010, 12:26 a.m. CST

    Here's an idea...

    by ZooTrain

    Why not make the Transformers the heroes of the film? We got giant robots from space...and who saves the day? The fucking human. Why not just call it The Witwickys?

  • June 11, 2010, 12:27 a.m. CST

    It Has to be Unicron

    by RPLocke

    The USSR and United States were building Unicron. It goes nuts and the autobots are called in to stop it.

  • June 11, 2010, 12:31 a.m. CST

    IT HAS TO BE NOT FUCKING MADE

    by Phategod2

    its funny how people say "it needs this" or "it needs that character" You people dont realize that no matter what G1 character they get Bay is going to Fuck it royally the 1985 movies blows anything Bay has done out of water I swear the Twins make Wheelie look like a Comic genius.

  • June 11, 2010, 12:36 a.m. CST

    Michael Bay is God

    by CAPTAIN_AMERICAS_COCK_SHAPED_HELMET

    I worship him.

  • June 11, 2010, 12:37 a.m. CST

    Not a bad idea RPLocke

    by Lando Griffin

    but I remember in the past Bay and the producers said they wouldn't tackle Unicron. I'm betting we'll see Astrotrain though

  • June 11, 2010, 12:40 a.m. CST

    Who Really Cares At This Point?

    by Media Messiah

    This is a stupid film series!!!

  • June 11, 2010, 12:43 a.m. CST

    Star Scream Is The Villain The Fans Want...

    by Media Messiah

    ...at full charge. He is the Darth Vader of "The Transformers", instead, he has only been given a couple of lines, and lost in the crowd of robots?

  • June 11, 2010, 12:47 a.m. CST

    Star scream is the Cobra Commader of Transformers

    by Phategod2

    Not really but I really wouldn't put him up there with Vader, he was inept and disloyal.

  • June 11, 2010, 12:49 a.m. CST

    Wow, THAT'S the Shockwave vid you picked?

    by Logan-X

    Try this one instead: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R-ItfWY3xMQ If the movie is half as good as this, I'll actually go see it.

  • June 11, 2010, 12:49 a.m. CST

    shockwave good, fallen bad, twins = jar jar "fucking asshole" bi

    by nickbeta

  • June 11, 2010, 12:49 a.m. CST

    Grimlock is no Bay fan, Grimlock is king!!

    by DigitalDong

    Keep Bay's shitty hands off the Dinobots...wait for the reboot 10 years later...epic win.

  • June 11, 2010, 12:53 a.m. CST

    Sorry Bay

    by D o o d

    you lost my backing for this horrid franchise and possibly any further movies you make in the future.

  • June 11, 2010, 12:54 a.m. CST

    Bay introducing the GayBots!

    by BruceBurger

    You know its what Bay thinks the fans want...

  • June 11, 2010, 12:57 a.m. CST

    BTW - Better Dialog Needed

    by BruceBurger

    No Autobots should call decepticons "punk asses." This is an ancient proud race, no ghetto trash... Also, get rid of Megan Fox. Cast Dakota Fanning and get her naked.

  • June 11, 2010, 1:02 a.m. CST

    Yup, a Transformers trilogy without the Dinobots

    by annie_michael_hall

    is crap. It would be like an X-Men trilogy without the Sentinels. Oh, shit.

  • June 11, 2010, 1:06 a.m. CST

    NOW you say all these things wrong with it

    by jingle_balls

    I love it how before Revenge was shown that it was infinitely better than the first one. How all these things were going to happen, bigger and better....blah blah blah. But now that the general consensus is that it was a convoluted mess of a movie, Bay and Co are dishing out the excuses. "Oh, we had to rush it! Oh the Fallen was a shitty villain, The comedy wasnt funny". That is what happens when you have an army of yes men surrounding you Bay. I bet you could have gotten any one of the people on here and they would have warned you "Those Twins are fucking horrible, get them out of the movie!!"

  • June 11, 2010, 1:08 a.m. CST

    @jingle-balls - Very True

    by BruceBurger

    Bay clearly had an army of yes men and sycophants telling him that even his most childish ideas were comedy gold. In Hollywood yes men and women are a dime a dozen. But Bay was exposed to the only thing that could make him change. Cold hard reality. How many nights has he wandered his dark and lonely mansions, asking questions of the stars, wondering why the twins werent funny?

  • June 11, 2010, 1:08 a.m. CST

    "John Turturro returns for comic relief"

    by BurnHollywood

    Why does a movie about giant robots who turn into cars need "comic relief" any fucking way? Are they afraid it might turn into SCHINDLER'S LIST if they don't have somebody bumbling around and making an ass out of themselves?

  • June 11, 2010, 1:13 a.m. CST

    lose the stupid parents and dog too!

    by DrPain

    and no Megan Fox? Hope for Transformers 3? still a NO! Only time and a convincing trailer will tell.

  • June 11, 2010, 1:13 a.m. CST

    Lando Griffin

    by RPLocke

    Hmm. I heard from some other sites Unicron was defiantly going to be in Part III, but it could easily be the Dinobots, or something else.

  • June 11, 2010, 1:16 a.m. CST

    The good thing about 2

    by windomearle39

  • June 11, 2010, 1:16 a.m. CST

    Michael Bay minus Toilet Humour = Cinema Gold (The Rock)

    by Se7en

    The Rock is a perfect example.

  • June 11, 2010, 1:17 a.m. CST

    The good thing about 2...

    by windomearle39

    Is that the franchise can not get any worse.

  • June 11, 2010, 1:17 a.m. CST

    BAY ACTS LIKE THAT COMEDY ISN'T HIS! HA HA HA

    by Mennen

    Bay's the king of "dorky comedy" - Dude, we're not stupid. Though I do love BAD BOYS 2!

  • June 11, 2010, 1:19 a.m. CST

    Shockwave was awesome.

    by garybuseys_incisors

    I hold no hope for this movie whatsoever, but maybe just maybe... Ah nevermind.

  • June 11, 2010, 1:22 a.m. CST

    REBOOT TRANSFORMERS

    by maxgod

    - and hire a real director. YOU SHALL BURN IN HELL, MICHAEL BAY!!!!

  • June 11, 2010, 1:23 a.m. CST

    Shockwave, eh?

    by Mr. Nice Gaius

    THE POWER OF BAY COMPELS YOU!<P>THE POWER OF BAY COMPELS YOU!<P>THE POWER OF BAY COMPELS YOU!

  • June 11, 2010, 1:25 a.m. CST

    Weak! Unicorn was promised, dammit!!

    by Tall_Boy66

    I think now that Orci/Kurztman have jumped ship they were laying down hints that it would lead up to Unicron. Now we have...uh, who is this guy again? I WANT UNICRON!

  • June 11, 2010, 1:29 a.m. CST

    Wasn't Shockwave a giant satellite?

    by RPLocke

    Just stop his transmission. Wow that's hard.

  • June 11, 2010, 1:31 a.m. CST

    Shockwave

    by skywise404

    You cannot escape the mighty Shockwave! Damn it, they escaped the mighty Shockwave!

  • June 11, 2010, 1:32 a.m. CST

    I loved Shockwave but he didn't have a great job

    by Tacom

    There's a funny video on YouTube called "Shockwave's Burden" at: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R-ItfWY3xMQ

  • June 11, 2010, 1:32 a.m. CST

    Moon base 2 etc???

    by Sean_Napier

    Would love to see a Moon Base Two in the last movie. I wonder and hope they'll introduce HotRod in this one.

  • June 11, 2010, 1:36 a.m. CST

    maybe they will give us what we really want...

    by Obscura

    and we get to see megatron rip these two characters to pieces with his bare hands. and then throw their parts at Micheal Bay. repeatedly. for 3 hours.

  • June 11, 2010, 1:41 a.m. CST

    I would love it if he brought them back...

    by Holeman

    and then had them killed by hanging until their heads came off. It would be like a double FUCK YOU! to every whiny bitch who insists on imposing their own stupid, racial stereotypes on FUCKING ROBOT CARS!!!

  • June 11, 2010, 1:42 a.m. CST

    The romance was one of the only emotional beats in this crap

    by reflecto

    Interesting that Fox will just be erased.

  • June 11, 2010, 1:52 a.m. CST

    So in Transformers

    by batmans_pants

    the military had no idea these aliens existed and even refused to beleive such a notion for a period at the start of the film and now they've known about em for 30 odd years? I'm starting to smell some suck.

  • June 11, 2010, 1:59 a.m. CST

    reboot and roll out!

    by cool_britannia79

    seriously, i defended ROTF after the first viewing, but the fact I've never gone back tells me really, it was shit. I know it's the overdone round these parts, but give this to blomkamp to reboot and it would be 100% genius. Have the dinobots as fugitives of Cybertron, crashing on prehistoric Earth, trying (and failing)to adapt. They're buried in the asteroid collision that wipes out the dinosaurs (fuck it, let's make that the Cybertron form of Devestator). Millions of years later, Autobots (travelling in the fucking ARK) and Decepticons bring their war to Earth, the close proximity of the Cybertron tech awakens both sleeping giants, and royal rumble ensues. Grimlock picks a side in the finale, and the good guys win. Devastator is not killed by a fucking navy cannon, and does not have shiny bollocks.

  • June 11, 2010, 2 a.m. CST

    Why was The Rock so good, and everything

    by Human_Bean_Juice_

    else he's ever done so bad? A fluke i guess.

  • June 11, 2010, 2:05 a.m. CST

    Yeah, right!!

    by AsimovLives

    You guys remember when Bay and Co. said the second Transformers movie was going to be darker and more serious with less comedy? Look how it turned out. Who actually believe this clowns responsible for the BAYFORMERS's movies? Who is really that naive and stupid to still believe this nutjobs?

  • June 11, 2010, 2:08 a.m. CST

    Read the full article and have had time to think it all over

    by mattforce7

    As much as i have detested the Second movie and have had NO want for a third, im glad he is listening..LISTENING! I have always wanted a Dark more evolved vision of the classic 80's plot-line. Although Bay has awful, almost drunken filmmaking tendencies, his eye for action has been his most stable quality. Although bored and blind was the cinematography of TF2, he's been able to pull it off, ie The Rock. When there is passion, there is hope. The First Transformers was an awesome fun movie, even the hilariously bad parts. The second one SHOULD have been what the third proposes. But will we get it? No F***ing clue Now, I feel optimistic with lower expectations

  • June 11, 2010, 2:14 a.m. CST

    oh, and Bad Boys 2=new Baraka Makeup

    by mattforce7

    Utter shit. Please, That new MK take on Barakaka...PLEASE change BACK to BARAKA. No hair...No wires. HIRE A PAKOUR GUY and WETA his face! GIve us the REAL Baraka. kthnks

  • June 11, 2010, 2:14 a.m. CST

    After ROTF the only place to go is up!

    by ganymede3010

    I mean It can't get any worse than that. I'm still holding out hope that we'll get to see Grimlock.

  • June 11, 2010, 2:15 a.m. CST

    Human_Bean_Juice_

    by harshguy

    Because when he made The Rock he still had something to prove and that movie had a great cast, Sean Connery AND Ed Harris???

  • June 11, 2010, 2:16 a.m. CST

    We don't go to Transformers movies to see characters

    by RPLocke

    We go to see robots beating the shit out of each other, and armies and huge battles, etc. The last hour or so of Transformers 1 and 2 are where the best stuff happens. but the set up in 1 was great.

  • June 11, 2010, 2:16 a.m. CST

    As for TF3

    by harshguy

    less humans, more TRANSFORMERS...what an interesting concept for a movie called TRANSFORMERS

  • June 11, 2010, 2:25 a.m. CST

    THE ROCK = CINEMA SHIT

    by AsimovLives

    Only slightly less smelly then the rest of Bay's filmmography. But it's still shit.

  • June 11, 2010, 2:32 a.m. CST

    And Bay is not listening

    by AsimovLives

    And he has no reason to listen to anybody outside of his close circle of yesman and syncophants. And you know why? Because of the box offcie results. and love ot or hate it, one has toa dmit that the box office of THRASHFORMERS 2: RETARD OF THE FALLEN was phenomeal. Where it not for AVATAR, and it would had been the box offcie champion of the year. It earned more then 700 million dollars at global box office. That's gigantic! It's commercial sucess is as big as the bad robot with the hanging balls in the movie. So, Bay being Bay, he has no reason to listen to the critics or the geeks, because for him, he suceed where for him it only matters: box office. Box office and nothing else.<br><br>So, you guys evne dream that Bay or anybodt else involved in the production of the 3rd movie is listening to you? Forget it, guys. What Bay and Co. are doing above is just the typical marketing lip service, saying some non-assuming phraseology using stuff that might appease the geeks, merely for marketing reasons. You think Bay is paying attention to what you are saying? You couldn't be more naive!

  • June 11, 2010, 2:35 a.m. CST

    RPLocke

    by AsimovLives

    "We don't go to Transformers movies to see characters"<br><br>What kind of nonsense is that? If ypou are not going to watch characters, then how will you see the difference between the good guys and the bad guys? and how you will then want to have the good guys win? Without characterization, there is not even a motive to seperate the good form the bad, and to root for the good guys to win. It will all just be a boring mess of pixels. Is that the kind of movie you want to see, a totally souless and uninteresting exhibition of special effects? That is not even a movie or a story, it's just shit happening.

  • June 11, 2010, 2:39 a.m. CST

    I never said he listened to us

    by mattforce7

    he clearly listened to those that matter.. none of us HERE, but,erm, YOU KNOW...the CRITICS? And no, im not naive, i dont frequent the TB as much as the lot of you. Only recently when im half homeless and living pay check to effing pay check.

  • June 11, 2010, 2:39 a.m. CST

    I WANT THE MOTHERFUCKING DINOBOTS

    by Saracen1

    FUCK THE REST

  • June 11, 2010, 2:41 a.m. CST

    AsimovLives

    by RPLocke

    You missed my point. I don't want an in depth 2 hour study of why Optimus Prime leads the good robots into battle. The Transformers was based on a TOY LINE.

  • June 11, 2010, 2:42 a.m. CST

    Shockwave...

    by Boredatwork

    ...looks like a Zaku wannabe

  • June 11, 2010, 2:47 a.m. CST

    FUCKITY FUCK FUCK, WHY DO PEOPLE CARE?

    by Stereotypical Evil Archer

    THIS IS GOING TO SUCK MORE THAN MY ALL CAPS KEYBOARD... I LOVE YOU IPHONE4< YOU PIECE OF FUCKING MARKETING LAME ASS SHIT.

  • June 11, 2010, 2:50 a.m. CST

    RPLocke, you're missing the point

    by cool_britannia79

    For me, the most tension generated in the comics was Megatron trying to show Prime why humans were vermin, how we cheat, lie and kill one another through life, and as such were not worth saving. Likewise, Prime as the reluctant leader always appealed to me as an interesting theme through the mythology. A character study based on the Transformers, not the humans, would appeal to me a lot.

  • June 11, 2010, 2:58 a.m. CST

    AsimovLives

    by jingle_balls

    Very true, Bay is one of the most stubborn people in Hollywood. See Flames on Optimus. However, I hold out hope because the fans somehow got Cullen on board so stranger things have happened.

  • June 11, 2010, 3 a.m. CST

    LOL. Bay in defense mode? LOL.

    by Motoko Kusanagi

    Fucking apologist.<p>Unless TF3 will be a dark and gritty R-Rated action war movie with Decepticons on a killing spree, it'll suck.

  • June 11, 2010, 3:09 a.m. CST

    Motoko

    by mattforce7

    Bay will never go HArd R Tranny. Leave it to Blomkamp

  • June 11, 2010, 3:13 a.m. CST

    Bay already ruined Soundwave. Destroying all hope of anything go

    by Orionsangels

  • June 11, 2010, 3:16 a.m. CST

    Shockwave's Burden http://tinyurl.com/y6zrsx

    by Orionsangels

  • June 11, 2010, 3:33 a.m. CST

    RPLocke

    by AsimovLives

    You still need some characterization to the characters to know which one you should root for. Or else you have a movie that's the version of a two years old smashing toys against one another with no rhyme or reason. You have to have more to the move then just have blue robots going agaisnt red robots, and assume the blues are the good guys because that's your favorite colour, you know? Story is always important. Hell, the toys were already sold with a backstory to them so you could know which ones where the good guys and the bad guys so you could play them knowingly.<br><br>And the "it's based on toys" is no excuse. THE DARK KNIGHT is a movie based on a guy dressed as a bat and they made one hell of a great movie out of it, which took itself seriously enough to be made with care and attention, but which was also entertaining with many exciting action sequences. The "it's based on toys" is no reason whatsoever for the stupidity and crap that Bay has been inflicting on the public. The true measure is not the sourse, but what you make of it. And Bay has made very poorly, to say the least.

  • June 11, 2010, 3:39 a.m. CST

    mattforce7

    by AsimovLives

    Mickey Bay doesn't listen to the geeks. As he doesn't to the critics and reviewers. He doesn't give a fuck. He believes in his own "awesomeness". The only person who he listens is those willing to kiss his ass, and only to boast his own defficient over-inflated ego.<br><br>As for your economic situation, i'm very sorry for you. It's what happens when the people listen to the neo-cons and support their bullshit for two presidential terms. When will people ever learn?

  • June 11, 2010, 3:45 a.m. CST

    jingle_balls

    by AsimovLives

    Cullen in TRASHFORMERS is liek Leonard Nimoy in JJ's SHIT TREK, it's just a ploy to pretend there's any continuation between the first original fracnhise and the new one. It's basic marketing. It's like you selling Cola-cola and saying "the original flavour" in it's marketing. It implies a continuation, even if it's not there. It's basic commercialism.

  • June 11, 2010, 3:53 a.m. CST

    Asimov, I heart your comments in this talkback

    by IndustryKiller!

    just sayin....

  • June 11, 2010, 3:54 a.m. CST

    IndustryKiller!

    by AsimovLives

    Trust me, i always hear your coments as well, always a good read, regardless if i agree with you or not.

  • June 11, 2010, 3:57 a.m. CST

    Asimov

    by mattforce7

    you are right about his being all about his own awesomeness. But hey, it only hurts to be optimistic right?

  • June 11, 2010, 3:58 a.m. CST

    Oh

    by mattforce7

    and much thanks for your condolence towards my situation. We all gotta live, right?

  • June 11, 2010, 3:59 a.m. CST

    How can he admit that it was shit

    by V'Shael

    and not take any of the credit for it being shit? <p> Either he knew the second was shit, and released it anyway, or he didn't know it was shit, in which case he has no taste. <p> Neither possibility gives me any indication he can do better with the third.

  • June 11, 2010, 3:59 a.m. CST

    Shockwave is holding himself

    by SlickyVonBoner

    in that pic. That's wierd. Much like I hold myself when I watch Megan Fox and her toe-thumb.

  • June 11, 2010, 3:59 a.m. CST

    Reboot this franchise...

    by MajorFrontbum

    ...you know they will in 2013, because they've run out of stories to tell, so they have to go back over and over again. Wake me up when a GOOD and ORIGINAL idea comes up. ZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZ

  • June 11, 2010, 4:02 a.m. CST

    Starscream/Cobra Commander

    by Shubniggorath

    Same voice actor, wasn't it? Either way, my favorite characters form their respective series.

  • June 11, 2010, 4:02 a.m. CST

    *from

    by Shubniggorath

  • June 11, 2010, 4:10 a.m. CST

    mattforce7

    by AsimovLives

    Frankly, the way i se eit, and given what i have seen, optimism is a desease. There's a difference between not falling into despair and being blindly optimistic for no good reason and against all that's known and reasonable. I rather be realistic, evne if that means, sometimes, a darker picture. But i rather that then to live in fairyland and with rosy tinted glasses and then get royally screwed. I always go for reading the writing in the wall. And in the case of Bay's TRASHFORMERS 3, the writing is writen in huge full wall-sized letters. It's like that scene in MONTY PYTHONS'S THE LIFE OF BRIAN, when Brian wrote "Romani ite Domus" all over the city.

  • June 11, 2010, 4:14 a.m. CST

    Where The Fuck Is Unicron?

    by MANNZILLA

    Now That Would Be A Villian...

  • June 11, 2010, 4:22 a.m. CST

    Merrick, did you enjoy Transformers 2?

    by Mr Gorilla

    If yes, what the fuck? And if not, why are you posting reports about TF3? AIN'T IT COOL NEWS has become WE SUCK BIG STUDIO COCK NEWS. Please, in what way is a sexist racist film for ten year olds cool?

  • June 11, 2010, 4:23 a.m. CST

    Not Unicron?

    by Autodidact

    How do you not make TF3 about Unicron?

  • June 11, 2010, 4:23 a.m. CST

    making TRANSFORMERS as a live action movie was always a bad idea

    by AsimovLives

    The way i see it, TRANSFORMERS should had always been a PIXAR type cartoon. And the movies should had been made for a children audience, and not for 13-to-17 years old teens who have their hormones mutating them into idiots.

  • June 11, 2010, 4:28 a.m. CST

    Make no mistake

    by barnaby jones

    Transformers 3 will be just as shit as the other two.

  • June 11, 2010, 4:28 a.m. CST

    Shockwave was a badass toy

    by elsewhere

    That's all I got.

  • June 11, 2010, 4:29 a.m. CST

    Mr Gorilla

    by AsimovLives

    C'mon, man, is it news for you now that AICN has, unfortunatly, been too many times and too much of a advertizement platform for the studios? The overbearing promotion that the site gave to both TRAHSFORMERS and JJ's TREK didn't give you any indication of that? It breaks my heart the AICN feels the need to do this, but there it is.

  • June 11, 2010, 4:36 a.m. CST

    There will be an actual visible depiction of a TFer shitting

    by Anything But Tangerines

    in TF3. I guarantee you. That's the only line they haven't crossed s far, and Bay will be so tempted as to be unable to resist. Mark my words - A Transformer will take a shit in the threequel.

  • June 11, 2010, 4:42 a.m. CST

    WHO ARE THOSE TWO PUKED FACE PIGS IN THE FUCKING VIDEO?!?

    by TehCreepyThinMan

    I half expected to see that limp dick weasle start to grind that toy into his bitches filthy sewer of a cunt which is about the only pleasure that goblin faced woman (?) probably gets without the aid of the family dog, in this case, a German Shepard that is fucking HUNG!!!<br> <br>Anywho, maybe it would be better for the Transformers franchise if that cocksucker Bay just spent his time snorting coke off of Megan Fox's 90210 jism stained labia and left this series to a real Director with some actual vision apart from cock flogging militarism and cross burning racism.

  • June 11, 2010, 4:47 a.m. CST

    WHAT ARE THESE TRANS FORMERS????

    by Canidate_Micheal

  • June 11, 2010, 4:48 a.m. CST

    barnaby jones

    by AsimovLives

    I tink the 3rd will be worst. Bay has escalading his movie's awfullness. They are getting worst and worst.

  • June 11, 2010, 4:50 a.m. CST

    escalating

    by AsimovLives

  • June 11, 2010, 4:50 a.m. CST

    SHUT UP MR.GORILLA. JJ STAR TREK WAS DOPE

    by Canidate_Micheal

  • June 11, 2010, 4:52 a.m. CST

    So let me get this straight...

    by Madmarek

    Transformers 2 does more than 800 million world wide from box office takings alone and they are going to get rid of the 'dorky comedy' that helped make it such a massive financial success?<p> Yeah clever, listen to AICN and the geek minority and you'll end up with a movie which fails to entertain but satisfies the few.

  • June 11, 2010, 4:59 a.m. CST

    Fact

    by SolidStateSociety

    Nobody wants this.

  • June 11, 2010, 5 a.m. CST

    Not all the humour was bad

    by Koborover

    The humour that comes from LaBeouf's and Turturro's characters is one of the reasons why I dig these movies. I think Shia pulls off the dorky teenager well, and Turturro just takes it way over the top which oddly fits Bay's big and brainless approach. The robot humour is totally awful though.

  • June 11, 2010, 5:03 a.m. CST

    STILL NO FUCKING A-TEAM REVIEWS!!! WHAT THE FUCKING FUCK???

    by TehCreepyThinMan

  • June 11, 2010, 5:04 a.m. CST

    STILL NO FUCKING A-TEAM REVIEWS!!! WHAT THE FUCKING FUCK???

    by TehCreepyThinMan

  • June 11, 2010, 5:04 a.m. CST

    STILL NO FUCKING A-TEAM REVIEWS!!! WHAT THE FUCKING FUCK???

    by TehCreepyThinMan

  • June 11, 2010, 5:04 a.m. CST

    STILL NO FUCKING A-TEAM REVIEWS!!! WHAT THE FUCKING FUCK???

    by TehCreepyThinMan

  • June 11, 2010, 5:04 a.m. CST

    STILL NO FUCKING A-TEAM REVIEWS!!! WHAT THE FUCKING FUCK???

    by TehCreepyThinMan

  • June 11, 2010, 5:04 a.m. CST

    STILL NO FUCKING A-TEAM REVIEWS!!! WHAT THE FUCKING FUCK???

    by TehCreepyThinMan

  • June 11, 2010, 5:04 a.m. CST

    STILL NO FUCKING A-TEAM REVIEWS!!! WHAT THE FUCKING FUCK???

    by TehCreepyThinMan

  • June 11, 2010, 5:06 a.m. CST

    Thanks for taking away more of our fun, with the humor.

    by Dogwitch

    The humor was what helped you swallow how ridiculous these films are. The first film was no brilliant movie, but the humor made it fun to watch, and the second film tolerable. Directors like Guillermo Del Toro, Peter Jackson and Terry Gilliam know that humor gives the audience something to cling onto in a sci-fi/fantasy film. Otherwise, you'd be stuck with a lot of fantasy and mythology, which just gets boring after a while for many audience members. It's also good for characterization (But when again, look who I'm talking about here. Mr. Bay isn't known for that.) Increasingly, the more I hear about this film, I think Megan Fox is a smart human being, if she did bow out. If she was fired, that was like pardoning a condemned man. Shia, start writing your apology for this one.

  • June 11, 2010, 5:07 a.m. CST

    Give it to Blomkamp my ass

    by blunted666

    Transformers 3: Hotel Rawanda

  • June 11, 2010, 5:28 a.m. CST

    Madmarek

    by AsimovLives

    However, THE DARK KNIGHT didn't had any 'dorky comedy' and it made even more, much more at the box office then TRASHFORMERS 2. Same with AVATAR. Try that argument again, man.

  • June 11, 2010, 5:35 a.m. CST

    Koborover

    by AsimovLives

    Wrong, the humourless humour from Shia and Turturro was also pretty terrible, just slightly less terrible then the shit form the twins and the oil vomiting bubblebee. In fact, waht made me laugh in the movie was just the unbelievable stupidity in it, like the Egypt-Jordania border. It seems Bay completly refuses to acknowledge the existence of Israel. And that's a very strange thing, since the movie is produced Steven spielberg, who is a jew, and recently made a movie called MUNICH which is about a crack team of isrealis that go about killing palestinians responsible for the Black September's Munich massacre in 1972. I'm sure that Spielberg knows that Israel exists, and how he still let that Bay's retardness to stay in the movie is nothing short of bewildering. Does Spielberg even bother to check out the movies he produces anymore?

  • June 11, 2010, 5:37 a.m. CST

    Bay's Transformers humor = Lucas' prequel humor

    by blunted666

    'Nuff said

  • June 11, 2010, 5:43 a.m. CST

    I finally caved and watch Transformers 2 on DVD

    by kwisatzhaderach

    One of the worst movies I have ever seen, ever. Not one entertaining moment. Absolute horseshit. Quite staggering how bad it was actually. I enjoyed the hell out of the last 30 minutes of the original Transformers, but there was nothing remotely enjoyable about this one.

  • June 11, 2010, 5:47 a.m. CST

    where's the screenwriter that was defending

    by antimcgyver

    the twins? Orci? I I wonder how he feels about this. Start the posting Orci!!

  • June 11, 2010, 5:47 a.m. CST

    A lot of non-movie nerds loved Transformers 2

    by blunted666

    All my friends in the hood saw it multiple times in theater... not everything has to be about us geeks. And ironically non of the black people or rednecks I know were offended by the allegedly offensive racial stereotypes, only the overly-PC suburbanites. Think about that one.

  • June 11, 2010, 5:50 a.m. CST

    Every time I come on this site,

    by gingerella

    It's like you are personally doing your damndest to sell me a Transformers 3 ticket. Wether it's to tell me that some skinny brit hooer has taken over from the wall mart Angelina or the latest on the 'black' comedy robots, or whether Bay, the cunt so skinny one eye would do him will be shooting in Imax, or 3-D or whatever the fuck. How many times d oi have to tell you fucking people? I AM NOT FUCKING GOING. Now leave me alone and stop posting this spam bullshit.

  • June 11, 2010, 5:57 a.m. CST

    AsimovLives wtf?

    by Madmarek

    So let me get thsi striaght, your terrible point is because Transformers 2 isn't THE best selling movie of all time is is rubbish?<p> Or are you suggesting if the dorky comedy had been removed it would have beaten Avatar?<p> That's hilarious man, they should keep the twins in T3 and let you write their dialogue.

  • June 11, 2010, 5:58 a.m. CST

    YEAH, WHERE'S ORCI AND DON MURPHY?

    by TehCreepyThinMan

    Usually, whenever anything related to Murphy shows up here, Donny Two Chin's is on top of it like his wife on black cock.

  • June 11, 2010, 5:59 a.m. CST

    Here's your A-Team review. It's SHIT.

    by V'Shael

    What the hell do you expect?

  • June 11, 2010, 6:04 a.m. CST

    Blunted666

    by Mr Gorilla

    You said it dude - Transformers 2 was a film for NON MOVIE NERDS. What I don't understand is that even though most reviewers on this site HATED the movie, they are giving the sequel loads of publicity. Look, I personally love the HARRY POTTER films, but they ain't cool, so I am fine with the fact that this site doesn't report every time a new cast member joins the project. But I don't want to read tiny minutiae about a bloated, crass, cynical studio project that most certainly is NOT cool. You 'Ain't It Cool' guys should be ashamed of yourselves.

  • June 11, 2010, 6:04 a.m. CST

    "All my friends in the hood"

    by AsimovLives

    There's people who actually still talk like that for real? I though that shit had gone out of fashion in the mid90s out of pure embaracement. Whenevern is ee people using "the hood", it's always as parody! Jesus, people still say that with a straight face? Reality can be even funnier then parody!

  • June 11, 2010, 6:05 a.m. CST

    Madmarek

    by AsimovLives

    Give me a fucking break, man!! Did you actually read my post? Try again, man.

  • June 11, 2010, 6:06 a.m. CST

    AGAINST JAMES CAMERON, MICHAEL BAY WILL ALWAYS BE A LOSER!!!

    by TehCreepyThinMan

    Yeah, Avatar was Dances with Thundersmurfs, but Cameron has skills that Bay can't even begin to touch. You see, although Cameron's stuff ain't exactly Citizen Kane, it's engaging, reasonably intelligent with characters that, at least, come off as human and likeable. Not to mention that, when it comes to action, Cameron is a master Director. That's why he has the top two highest grossing movies of all time and even beat his own fucking record. Cameron is the man while Bay is a fucking chump.

  • June 11, 2010, 6:10 a.m. CST

    get rid of the humans!

    by 1st and only

    i love transformers because it has giant sentient robots that live with al the emothions that makes people so unique. I dont need humans de-humanising the robots! Oh, and the designs suck in these movies. We want gen 1 designs.

  • June 11, 2010, 6:16 a.m. CST

    V'Shael, I WAS HOPING FOR A DECENT POPCORN FLICK.....

    by TehCreepyThinMan

    I've been completely fucking dissapointed with everything that's came out this year so far (Alice, Clash, Iron Man 2 etc...) and I was hoping that the A-Team would surprise me by being fun and entertaining. I know it's not likely given Carnahan's involement but a man can dream. Oh well, I guess I still have Inception to look forward to.

  • June 11, 2010, 6:18 a.m. CST

    But where are......

    by Sprinky

    the Quintessons? I didn't care much for transformers in the first place but the Quintessons in the cartoon were kinda maniacs much like Starscream by the way.

  • June 11, 2010, 6:18 a.m. CST

    Not bad, but....

    by Lemure_v2

    Me want Dinobots!!!

  • June 11, 2010, 6:19 a.m. CST

    Mr Gorilla

    by AsimovLives

    I resent that, man. So, people who are not movie geeks deserve the most terribly stupid shit imaginable? Non-geeks should get bad movies? Only we the geeks deserve better movies made with care and attention by the filmmakers? Movies for mass consuption should be dumb, is that it? Thank goodness that Christopher Nolan doesn't subscribe that that notion and makes smart and very well crafted movies for GENERAL CONSUPTION for all the public, and not just the geeks.<br><br>You know, this idea that movie smade for the general public can be dumbed down and shouldbe dumbed down, irritates me to no end. It's snobery at it's worst. By both the filmmakers who support that, and by the geeks who agree. Fuck that hsit. doesn't matter if the movies are for a slect or wide audience, they all should be good and smart. No exceptions. Otherwise, they are shit.

  • June 11, 2010, 6:21 a.m. CST

    Still not going to see it

    by Dazzler69

    Video game looks good however.

  • June 11, 2010, 6:30 a.m. CST

    Well, that is encouraging.

    by Mr Nicholas

  • June 11, 2010, 6:35 a.m. CST

    Running Time

    by Doctor_Strangepork

    2 movies and nearly FIVE HOURS into the Bayformers Saga and I still really have no idea what it's about. Aside from menacing close ups, it's still tough to distinguish the Autobots from the Decepticons (once so easy with the cool eyecatch scene break insignia flip), what either side wants, how they've affected or haven't affected the world they occupy, where either side call home on this Earth, what the stakes are for success or failure, their history or why Josh Duhamel and Tyrese occasionally run in front of the camera, pointing out-of-sync at giant robots. And why any of this is as awe-striking, epic or profound as the swelling score might indicate. <br> <br>At this point in Fanny and Alexander, we've learned almost everything there is to know about The Ekdahl Family. Somehow, despite all logic dictating otherwise Michael Bay and Ingmar Bergman have the same job.

  • June 11, 2010, 6:35 a.m. CST

    Why would fans of the '80s Transformers smile?

    by photoboy

    Bayformers has fuck all to do with the real Transformers, so any attempt to give another walking pile of scrap metal the name of a classic Transformer will do absolutely nothing to fix the epic fail of Bay's robot designs.

  • June 11, 2010, 6:41 a.m. CST

    YOU COULD CALL THIS SHIT GO-BOTS AND NO ONE WOULD NOTICE!!!

    by TehCreepyThinMan

    That's how watered down and generic this fucking trash is. Bay's a ratfaced douchebag and a no talent hack.

  • June 11, 2010, 6:42 a.m. CST

    the new bad guy will only work......

    by fat_rancor_keeper

    .......if he has flames

  • June 11, 2010, 6:44 a.m. CST

    A Michael Bay mystery.

    by Knuckleduster

    Watch out, Agatha Christie.

  • June 11, 2010, 6:51 a.m. CST

    Looks like he's got a mini-me Shockwave gun

    by Gojira_X

  • June 11, 2010, 6:52 a.m. CST

    Damn You Michael Bay

    by MCMLXXVI

    Damn You Michael Bay

  • June 11, 2010, 6:53 a.m. CST

    "It will also be in 3-D."

    by MamboMan

    what the fuck???? I thought Bay said his style of filmaking would not work well in 3D???? oh fuck it...

  • June 11, 2010, 6:57 a.m. CST

    So I read AsimovLive's post again

    by Madmarek

    And it said the Dark Knight and Avatar did better at the box office than Transformers 2 despite not having dorky humor in it.<p> This was to answer my point about it making over 800 million at the box office alone despite having 'dorky humor' in it.<p> I still don't get it. It still seems to me his point is T2 would need to be the best selling movie of all time to prove the 'dorky humour' wasn't universally thought of as rubbish.<p> Ridiculous argument. Look you don't like T2, I get it. You are angry millions world-wide did, I get it. It infuriates you they didn't make the Transformers you decided you wanted to see, I get it.<p> Just don't be under any delusion you ranting on here and trying to debunk anyone who disagrees with you using illogical and angry rants will make any difference to the mass appreciation of the movies, or influence in any way how Transformers 3 turns out.

  • June 11, 2010, 7:01 a.m. CST

    I love how these movies get fanboys all wound up

    by RedBull_Werewolf

    They are just movies people, why spend 2 years crying overthem just so you can say you hate it. Some of you need to get girlfriends<P>Trust me, i follow movies as much as any nerd, but it's so much rewarding to just go and see a movie without nit picking everything apart, yeah Transformers 2 had some parts that were lame, but it didn't kill me to watch it, it's just a movie. time to move on

  • June 11, 2010, 7:01 a.m. CST

    Memo to Michael Bay:

    by smackfu

    John Turturro was not 'comic relief' in the first two films by any stretch of the imagination.

  • June 11, 2010, 7:04 a.m. CST

    There is no Trafo 3...

    by Nobody26

    ...without Megan. At least for me.

  • June 11, 2010, 7:05 a.m. CST

    Also, where are the a-team reviews?

    by RedBull_Werewolf

    It's being called this generation's Karate kid

  • June 11, 2010, 7:06 a.m. CST

    I had Shockwave, Sort Of

    by Autodidact

    It was the original Japanese toy of which Shockwave was a knock-off. I also had the original Japanese Omega Supreme. I think the story was someone from my dad's company came back from a trip to Japan with assloads of "transformers".

  • June 11, 2010, 7:09 a.m. CST

    Crossover

    by nerdvernacular

    Remember when TMNT had a crossover of multiple continuities in one special? Transformers 3 should end with cartoon Galvatron showing up and blowing Bayverse Earth/Cybertron and everything in them to hell.

  • June 11, 2010, 7:09 a.m. CST

    Madmarek, FUCK YOU DIPSHIT....

    by TehCreepyThinMan

    The reason TF2 made 800 million is because of braindead fuckwads like you.

  • June 11, 2010, 7:10 a.m. CST

    Guillermo del To to reboot Van Helsing! SERIOUSLY!

    by IHaveSeenEveryEpisodeOfPrisonBreak

    http://www.joblo.com/arrow/

  • June 11, 2010, 7:10 a.m. CST

    Guillermo del To to reboot Van Helsing! SERIOUSLY!

    by IHaveSeenEveryEpisodeOfPrisonBreak

    http://www.joblo.com/arrow/

  • June 11, 2010, 7:10 a.m. CST

    Guillermo del To to reboot Van Helsing! SERIOUSLY!

    by IHaveSeenEveryEpisodeOfPrisonBreak

    http://www.joblo.com/arrow/

  • June 11, 2010, 7:11 a.m. CST

    DAMN TRIPLE POST!

    by IHaveSeenEveryEpisodeOfPrisonBreak

  • June 11, 2010, 7:12 a.m. CST

    @RedBull_Werewolf re: nitpicking

    by kevred

    The gravity of your point is undermined by the fact that you can't keep yourself from nitpicking a bunch of other people on a geek movie site's comment boards. Sort of contrasts with the sense of easy, aloof cool you're trying far too hard to project.

  • June 11, 2010, 7:12 a.m. CST

    Stephen

    by RedBull_Werewolf

  • June 11, 2010, 7:14 a.m. CST

    Stephen Sommers' Van Helsing is the greatest movie ever made

    by RedBull_Werewolf

    I doubt Del Toro could top perfection<P>also, shut up Kevred

  • June 11, 2010, 7:15 a.m. CST

    Madmarek

    by AsimovLives

    The point is that the dorky humour in Bay's TRASHFORMERS has been one of the most cirticised thign about it, and i'm sur,e it made many people turn their backs on the movie. Anbd while it's undeniable that many people like that shit, the thing is that two genre movies which were more serious, THE DARK KNIGHT and AVATAR, proved to be evne more popular then the two TRASHFORMERS movies made deliberatly for a mentalliy retard immature inbreed redneck public. Take from that what you will.

  • June 11, 2010, 7:19 a.m. CST

    RedBull_Werewolf

    by AsimovLives

    Are you a sports fan? Do you get wroungh up if your team loses? does it hurt in particular when your team loses because the referee fucked up, or becaus einternal politics in yoru team prevented it to be the best team possible? that some played fuck up constantly and still are allowed to play and keep on fucking up your team's results? If the answer is ye,s then you already know how it feels for us the movie geeks to se a movie and filmmakers fucking up. It's the same thing.

  • June 11, 2010, 7:20 a.m. CST

    You guys want to know who's the villain of the 3rd movie?

    by AsimovLives

    It's the same vilalin of the two previous movies: IaCHAEL BAY. That's the true villain of TRASHFORMERS. He's the real villain.

  • June 11, 2010, 7:26 a.m. CST

    RedBull_Werewolf

    by Mr Gorilla

    So what you're basically saying is that us guys who get mad at bad movies shouldn't care about movies so much. We should just be happy to settle for second best, to 'switch off our brain' and not nitbpick. My friend, if that's what you think then you truly don't belong on a movie fan's website.

  • June 11, 2010, 7:29 a.m. CST

    AsimovLives

    by RedBull_Werewolf

    It's actually not the same thing, sports are real life, it's atheletes that train and compete as a team to win a championship. Transformers is a cartoon that they turned into a movie, yes both are entertainment but to say that a team losing and a movie sucking are the same thing makes you a nerd<P>Bottom line is that it's just a movie and everybody's tastes are different. With over 800 million in world wide box office receipts how can any one of you say that transformers 2 was a bad movie? You think Bay was trying to change lives and make a deep meaning story, no he made an action movie and wanted you to pay to see it... and gues what, you did, to the tune or several hundreds of millions of dollars. But yeah thats the same as seeing the packers lose the superbowl, idiot

  • June 11, 2010, 7:33 a.m. CST

    Mr Gorilla

    by RedBull_Werewolf

    What i'm saying is that it's just a movie, If a bad movie has a vast influence on your life then it's time to move on and just learn to accept that nothing will ever live up to your expectations. after a movie most people go home and bone their girlfriends, you nerds come on here and cry because a character wasn't like he was on the TV show or that they changed the design of the one guy and now i have to buy new action figures to masterbate too

  • June 11, 2010, 7:34 a.m. CST

    Why have all of Bay's films since the Rock sucked?

    by Chewtoy

    Don Simpson died. It's obvious at this point that, if he wasn't "the talented one" behind the Simpson/Bruckheimer production team, he was possibly the one with some taste. Together they produced Beverly Hills Cop, Top Gun, Crimson Tide, and The Rock (his final film), whereas Bruckheimer picked up without him for Con Air, Armageddon, Gone in Sixty Seconds, Pearl Harbor, etc. So my guess is that drugged-out-of-his-mind Don Simpson was still the one to look at Michael Bay's excessive ideas and say "yeah... maybe while we're ratcheting up the drama we shouldn't cut to some dogs humping."

  • June 11, 2010, 7:36 a.m. CST

    Just remember, when you get older they'll call you freedom

    by RedBull_Werewolf

    Just like a wavin' flag and then it goeson, and then it goes on, and then it goes OOOOOOOOOOOONNNNNN

  • June 11, 2010, 7:42 a.m. CST

    Singin forever young, singin' songs underneath that sun

    by RedBull_Werewolf

    let's rejoice in the beautiful game!

  • June 11, 2010, 7:42 a.m. CST

    It will make $300 million

    by shutupfanboy

    Its giant robots who transform into vehicles fighting. Its never going to be Citizen Kane let along Star Wars. I liked the first one due to my absolute low expectations, the second one not so much. I have to go back and watch it again to see if it is has terrible as I remember or just the internet making it worse then it is. I liked Con Air mainly due to the cast and the plot is somewhat fresh at least for that time. The Rock is his best film. Might be due to the fact that Connery was playing Bond again and Cage did a great job with the role. I also like going to movies to have fun not just to watch it and bash it online an hour later.

  • June 11, 2010, 7:58 a.m. CST

    Asi

    by Stalkeye

    Mikey Bay is also Jewish as well. So it's kinda unfortunate that both he and Spielberg would allow these racial characticures on the big screen.<p>they BOTH should know better.As always my friend, keep fighting the good fight!!Fuck Bay and his FANatics.

  • June 11, 2010, 8:04 a.m. CST

    No dorky humor?

    by CartoonFanboy

    But how will I know it's a Transformers film unless things are randomly being humped?

  • June 11, 2010, 8:07 a.m. CST

    Wait...there was "Comedy" to loose in the last one?

    by conspiracy

    I thought the whole damned thing was a comedy...the script, definitely the ACTING, the cluttered overwrought CGI, etc... Certainly it is all comedy to Bay and Co.; they know they are making grade A horseshit and yet laughing all the way to the bank.

  • June 11, 2010, 8:11 a.m. CST

    TF3?

    by Bruce Leroy

    Movie is going to be pure crap. whenever there is "news" about that train wreck to be, I always see things about, the next cool new car, robot or super model that's going to be in the movie. Not once have I read anything about plot, story or script. You know, the ONE thing that makes a movie work (or not, in the case of Transformers). Such a shame that this film will still make a shit load of money. Paving the way for more retarded action flicks. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r9LAXNzrOvc

  • June 11, 2010, 8:15 a.m. CST

    The Transformers Films.

    by Pawprint

    Firstly, let me set my stall out:<p> I was 12 when I first became aware of Transformers (TF), this was in 1984/85 I believe, so I was pretty much on the outer edge of the TF demographic in terms of the toys and cartoons. I actually came across the toys before the cartoons and I considered to toys to be a novel idea but overpriced, cheaply made, easily broken, nasty pieces of crap.<p> I first came across the original cartoon in 1986, and as a 14 year old I was at the stage where children’s TV was below me anyway, but what I saw of the cartoon, I considered to be badly animated cheesy shit which made no sense. The TF robots didn’t transform; they ‘morphed’ without any recourse to mass or original size; they were blocky and simplistic and bent and moved where they shouldn’t be able to.<p> I was aware there was a TF comic through a couple of kids at our school who were still into TF and regarded the cartoon and the comic akin to ‘Lord of the Rings’ in terms of storytelling, epic scope and greatness. But I was over comics at that stage.<p> So even at a young age I was aware of TF as nothing more than toys and cartoons and comics designed to sell those toys.<p> Flash forward to the present. <p> I really enjoyed Bay’s first TF film, and I also enjoyed Revenge of the Fallen (ROTF). I realise ROTF could do with being a bit shorter, but I enjoyed it nonetheless. But I have no connection to, or love for the source material. But let’s look a bit closer:<p> TF: ROTF is in the Top 20 highest grossing films of all time. ROTF was almost universally critically panned. So, it was critically rubbished, yet massively popular with someone. Which is fine – I’d be the first to admit that popular is not the same as ‘good’; but to be in the Top 20 highest grossing films of all time at LEAST suggests some good word of mouth somewhere.<p> I bought ROTF on BD when it came out and the first time I watched it I found it enjoyable, but thought it was a touch too long. I very, very rarely get the opportunity to watch TV, let alone a whole film, so the fact that I had an opportunity to watch a DVD last weekend and chose to watch ROTF again is unusual indeed. Part of the reason was I had just been on the TBs and ROTF was taking a battering in a TF3 TB (again), so I wanted to see the film again because I thought it was never that bad in the first instance, and to see exactly what the fuss was about.<p> I enjoyed it even more to be honest; it seemed to move quicker than the first time, and I found the robot action scenes easier to follow, which – to be fair – was an issue with both films at times. But let’s look at some of the issues which have been raised about this film.<p> Comedy – “Why does a movie about giant robots who turn into cars need "comic relief" any fucking way?” was raised by BurnHollywood a few posts above. I’m sorry? The original cartoon didn’t have any comic relief, or lighter moments? You may as well ask why would a film about a relic-hunting archaeologist need comic relief? Why would a film about a rebellion against an evil galactic empire need comic relief?<p> General Inappropriate Comedy – OK; obviously comedy is subjective; I didn’t like Bumblebee ‘pissing’ on John Tuturro in the first film, but I understand why it was done (to humiliate him and show contempt, and I liked Optimus’ “Stop lubricating that man!”) but it wasn’t a deal-breaker. Dogs shagging – OK, that’s a pretty cheap laugh and there’s no real need for it, but I have to admit that did raise an amused smile. The mother and father characters I found amusing in both films. Was the whole ‘Mother-eats-ganja-cake’ scenario necessary? Not really, but I found it mildly amusing, and it all adds up to showing Sam’s less than perfect start to college. Deal-breaking stuff? Nope, not for me.<p> Devastator’s Balls – I really cannot understand the problem. Devastator is made up of construction vehicles, two of which have wrecking balls. The wrecking balls have to go somewhere when Devastator assembles; this does not mean Devastator had testicles! What it means is that John Tuturro looks up, and from his POV they look like balls, so he says he is “under the enemy’s scrotum!”. Mildly amusing I thought. As I have said; comedy is subjective, but can anyone explain why this is any less funny, ridiculous, childish or offensive than, say, a film featuring a ghost covering someone in snot; or a strong suggestion that someone is getting a blowjob from a ghost?<p> The Twins – Oooooohhh! My gosh we MUST be PC mustn’t we?! Quickly; let’s all scream RACISM! No, lets say racial stereotype instead, but if we’re going to go down the horribly and righteously offended route, let’s at least take time to look at the facts. One of them is voiced by a black actor, the other by a white actor. They’re referred to as the twins, but one of them is supposed to be a southern hill-billy – even my daughter thought it was a piss-take of Mater from Cars. The racial stereotyping of the robot with the gold tooth is no worse than how black rappers were portraying THEMSELVES every single day on MTV about 2 years ago – the fact that people recognise what that robot is stereotyping without it EVER being explained during the film speaks volumes. Isn’t anyone going to stand up and defend the poor ridiculed hill-billy stereotype? As for accusations that Michael Bay is a racist because of the Twins, which have been made in numerous TBs, how in christ’s name do you explain the Bad Boys films - which Bay directed – having two black actors as the heroic leads?!<p> Sit down, breathe and think of how many racial stereotypes we see in mainstream Hollywood films that nobody even seems to give a fuck about. There’s a lot.<p> Two points which people make who feel they have to defend their enjoyment of TF films:<p> The First.<p> Defence: “I just want to enjoy a good popcorn flick and be entertained!” <p> Rebuttal: “You shouldn’t have to switch your brain off to enjoy a film!”<p> Horseshit. My reply to that is “I shouldn’t have to sit through a film scrutinising it in minute detail to make sure it is completely beyond reproach in any way before I can enjoy it.”<p> Everything I need to know about a film should be shown to me on screen; I should be able to sit back and passively receive all information, comfortable in the knowledge that everything will be resolved, explained or justified. If I have to try and piece a film together and work it out as I go along, something is wrong – the filmmaker isn’t doing their job correctly. If I have to sit down afterwards and try and work out what happened in a film and what the filmmaker was trying to show me, there is something wrong. There is absolutely NOTHING wrong with a film giving me food for further thought afterwards, or playing with my emotions in such a manner that I mull it over in my head afterwards, but DURING a film, everything I need should be on screen. <p> Let’s have a look at some of my all-time favourite geek films: The Crow, Watchmen, Blade Runner, Full Metal Jacket, SW OT. I did not HAVE to actively think about ANYTHING during those films in order to understand what was happening. I sat back and received the information and emotions the filmmaker wanted me to; afterwards I sat and thought about what I had seen and how it made me feel, which bits I had really enjoyed, but at no time during the films did I have to analyse any of those films in order to understand what was happening. That’s entertainment.<p> If you have a wish to appear as a sophisticated, urbane cinephile, then go and watch some B&W Japanese character dramas with the subtitles off and nod sagely to yourself. That should enhance your sense of superiority and make you feel like a better person.<p> The Second<p> Defence: “The original TF cartoons and comics weren’t exactly Shakespeare!”<p> Rebuttal: “Nobody ever said they were! We just want a decent story, which is what the original comics and cartoons and film had!”<p> Or an answer along those lines.<p> Again – Horseshit. The original cartoons/comics/film only had a decent story because you were TEN. The story of TF and ROTF is no less flimsy than anything seen in the weekly toy commercial cartoons, or the toy brochure comics; you’re just older, and these aren’t your Transformers anymore.<p> Does ROTF deserve to be in even the top 50 highest grossing films of all-time? Difficult to say – that’s a subjective opinion. I found it entertaining enough – it’s a good film for what concept it’s based on and its was fun; not a classic by any stretch of imagination, and I wouldn’t expect to see it anywhere near a Top 50 Greatest films of all time compiled by me.<p> I look forward to the next instalment with interest.

  • June 11, 2010, 8:21 a.m. CST

    Facts

    by Madmarek

    If the first one was rubbish it would have died at the box office and the DVD/Blu-Ray sales would have been utter pants.<p> If the first one and the second one were rubbish the second one would never have made even more money than the first one.<p> You can bitch all you want and accuse several hundred million people world-wide of being dumb inbred rednecks but that is a piss poor argument and you know it. If this was the case every movie would make 800 million+ and not just the ones the majority are entertained by.<p> You are entitled to your opinions all you want but don't think for a single second a handful of spoiled brats on the internet is in any way indicative or the overall opinion.<p> Rant at me or anyone else who disagrees with you all you want, we all know you'll be there for Transformers 3 and then back here on your almighty bandwagons slagging off another light piece or entertainment as it if was a personal affront to your intellect lol!

  • June 11, 2010, 8:22 a.m. CST

    Holy Crap, Pawprint.

    by SlickyVonBoner

    If you liked ROTF ,watch the 80's cartoon Transformer's the Movie. It's infinitely better.

  • June 11, 2010, 8:24 a.m. CST

    RedBull_Werewolf

    by Mr Gorilla

    Dude, seriously, last summer I didn't see TF2, I was indeed too busy boning my wife. I'm never, ever going to even consider seeing TF2. Now, I'm not outraged that the film exists, or even that it was a big hit. It's the fact that a site like this - which is for movie nuts- gives it so much coverage.

  • June 11, 2010, 8:25 a.m. CST

    Nicely said Pawprint

    by Madmarek

    I think everything's been said now. I'll be back for the Transformers 3 TB when it's actually out to see how many of the fans on here who think both movies are the scrapings from the Devil's Jockstrap have watched the third.

  • June 11, 2010, 8:26 a.m. CST

    I never found the twin robots to be racist

    by RedBull_Werewolf

    of course i guess if you have nothing better to do then you can look hard enough to find racism in anything. The fact that you imediatly associate those manerisms with a black man makes you the racist. think about that

  • June 11, 2010, 8:26 a.m. CST

    Madmarek

    by Mr Gorilla

    Do you really think that all rubbish films die at the box office, and all good films make loads of money? Wow.

  • June 11, 2010, 8:29 a.m. CST

    Remember When They Said The Second One Wouldn't Suck?

    by LaserPants

    And it sucked EVEN WORSE? Yeah. Not wasting my money on any of this bs. I'll watch the original show or the original animated movie instead

  • June 11, 2010, 8:29 a.m. CST

    Voltron movie

    by quicksilver80

    is happening: http://tinyurl.com/35z4kc6

  • June 11, 2010, 8:33 a.m. CST

    No I don't Mr Gorilla

    by Madmarek

    I think films people really enjoy watching, find incredibly entertaining and appeal to a mass audience make loads of money.<p> Rubbish/good is a matter of personal opinion, but in Talkback personal opinion is often stated as universal fact without any real proof to back it up.<p> My point was if the movie was as dire as some people are making out here it wouldn't have appealed to the masses, it wouldn't have been entertaining and therefore would not have been the huge success it was.<p>

  • June 11, 2010, 8:39 a.m. CST

    RedBullWerewolf...

    by Pawprint

    I have never said the twins were racist. I personally thought that the 'black one' was a piss-take of MTV Rappers, given that the robots learn our language from studying TV transmissions.<p> However, if you scan Harry's review of ROTF, or any ROTF TB, or any TF3 TB, or even - god forbid! - read some of the previous posts in THIS TB - you'll see plenty of accusations of racism.<p> So get off the self-righteous 'There is no racism here execpt what you bring yourself' soapbox please.

  • June 11, 2010, 8:41 a.m. CST

    SlickyVonBoner...

    by Pawprint

    I would rather be force-fed fistfulls of human shit than watch the 80's cartoon film.<p> My son has it on DVD and refuses to watch it - he's never made it through the entire film; he prefers the new TF Animated stuff based on the Bay films. He's four.

  • June 11, 2010, 8:48 a.m. CST

    There is no racism

    by RedBull_Werewolf

    So the character talked in slang. Why does that automatically make the twins black steroetypes, the fact is that you do bring that to the table when you few them. It's your preconcieved notions of what you think a black man should act like, thats makes you the racist<P>I found the twins to be funny, i think they were used a bit too much but the entire time i watched the movie i never once thought they were "acting black" and i was kinda shocked to start reading those accusations in reviews. Lost of people talk thjat way it isn't just blacks, why did no one say the twins were a steroetype of white kids?

  • June 11, 2010, 8:50 a.m. CST

    This story has me asking several questions

    by southafricanguy

    ....Who are these manchild afflicted fanboys that are grown-ass men that still buy Transformers toys? And for the love of Heaven, Why?! Second, who are the nostalgia goggle wearing people that cling to this strange idea that G1 Transformers ever had this great "mythology"that I see so many speak of. There is no comparison with things like LOTR or SW etc...Those are mythologies, Transformers is actually very light on ideas and thematic content imho. Have any of you actually watched that old cartoon on youtube lately? Fuck me, has it aged badly. I have not seen the show since I was a kid, and holy shit was I shocked at how shallow and juvenile it is now. Im sorry, but it really was just a 30 min toy commercial. I dont like Bay or his films, but I have to say, his TF films are really just big budget, live action versions of the old Saturday morning cartoon imho. I think its for each individual to deceide if thats a good or bad thing, since this stuff is ultimatly all subjective. And finally, who the hell actually believes Bay when he says they will focus on script? How about next time there is a script, huh guys?

  • June 11, 2010, 8:50 a.m. CST

    I'll review The A-Team for you: It Stinks!!! Unless you like

    by Coughlins Laws

    Flying Tanks, that is...

  • June 11, 2010, 8:51 a.m. CST

    RedBull_Werewolf

    by AsimovLives

    Nonsense, both movies and sports are the same thing: real life and entertaiment. Sports exists to provide entertaiment. So does movies. And sports and movies are big industries and big business. Both use and build stars as their front and the face of the thing. They are, in fact, very much the same thing. And they even interloop. So, truly, the comparison to sports is the best analogy we can have between the fandom and the business and backstage politics side of things. to understand how the fandom of movies work, all you need is to look at the sports fandom. With the difference that so far nobody used movies as a means to promote natioanlism, jingoism and racial prejudice. So, in fact, movie geekdom and movie fandom is far more innocent and harmless.

  • June 11, 2010, 8:51 a.m. CST

    RedBullWerewolf

    by Pawprint

    Sorry - we're coming at the same argument from different ends it would seem. I misinterpreted your post completely and I apologise.<p> I will say though, I instantly thought one was supposed to be 'black' and one was supposed to be 'white' insofar as robots can be, but I didn't think either portrayal was racist. Apparently many, many others did.

  • June 11, 2010, 8:52 a.m. CST

    That being said though, Transformers the

    by southafricanguy

    movie actually holds up, and is a s good as I remembered it to be after watching it recently. Now that truly is as good as Transformers has ever been imho. And indeed Bay's films dont come close to licking its ball sack. But the series? *shudder*....

  • June 11, 2010, 8:53 a.m. CST

    RedBull_Werewolf

    by LaserPants

    That is, without a doubt, the LAMEST defense of Bay's raging racism I've ever read in my entire life. Oh, so Bay's not the racist, the audience is for calling him on his racism? Bullshit. The dialect and slang are CLEARLY meant to be black stereotypes. But, then again, I guess in Bay's universe, EVERYONE is a stereotype, so maybe Bay isn't being racist, just really, REALLY dumb.

  • June 11, 2010, 8:54 a.m. CST

    I think Mencken said it best....

    by conspiracy

    "Nobody ever went broke underestimating the intelligence of the American public." $400M+ box Domestic office for TF2 kinda proves this a truism.

  • June 11, 2010, 8:55 a.m. CST

    Asimov....hey man, whats up dude? What

    by southafricanguy

    you been up to? Does the way sport is used to promote nationalism and jingoism piss you off as much as it does me?

  • June 11, 2010, 8:55 a.m. CST

    Stalkeye

    by AsimovLives

    You said that Bay is jewish. I didn't knew that. In what part of his family he has his jewish blood? i do know his middle name is Benjamim, but that's not too rare a name even among gentilles, so i never thogh much of it. Never knew Bay was a jewish surname.<br><br>And if that's so, Bay's ignoring of Israel as the country between Jordania and Egypt is even more mind boggling. I know some jews are anti-zionists, but c'mon!!

  • June 11, 2010, 8:56 a.m. CST

    Its exactly when segments of fandom act like

    by southafricanguy

    dogmatic, sport fan zealots that I find myself hating fandom....

  • June 11, 2010, 8:57 a.m. CST

    Oh but you do, Madmarek

    by Mr Gorilla

    You seem to claim that if a film makes a bunch of money, then I lose my right to say that, personally, I do NOT think it is fun to watch, I do NOT think it is entertaining. But I disagree.

  • June 11, 2010, 8:58 a.m. CST

    Laserpants.

    by Pawprint

    Please explain how Bay is racist, you stupid twat. He is not RACIST - you are mis-using the term.<p> If Bay WAS racist (ie; hated blacks) do you think he would have made Bad Boys 1 & 2? Do you think he would have shown two black men taking down a KKK meeting, you ignorant fuck?

  • June 11, 2010, 9:03 a.m. CST

    but Laser pants, who says what a sterotype is?

    by RedBull_Werewolf

    you define that in your mind, Bay doesn't tell you what a black man should act like, those are ideals you have formed on your own. I personally didn't see the twins as making fun of blacks, but thats because I obviously do not hold that image up to a black person. If anything i saw Thwe twins as social commentary on todays youth

  • June 11, 2010, 9:03 a.m. CST

    AsimovLives

    by blunted666

    Obviously you have never been to south side Richmond, VA. Nor heard a DJ Khaled, Boosie, Webbie, Trina, Rick Ross, or any non-R&B album by a black artist in the last decade.

  • June 11, 2010, 9:04 a.m. CST

    southafricanguy

    by AsimovLives

    Indeed it does.<br><br>By the way, the talk in my country right now is the assaults that those chinese jornalists and the greek team suffered. Which is just two occurences among many. This is anoying me. It is because the championship could be a great way to boast your country and bring back some good name to it, and instead, criminals are using it as a goldmine. It's shameful. If i were a south african myself, i would feel so ashamed. in fac,t i'm not and i feell that way too. Your's a great country, one of the most beautiful in the world, and it could had been huge, one of the top best in the whole world. And the criminals are brining shame. Such a sad affair! It's brining a dark cloud to what should be happy festivities of brotherhood among nations.<<br><br>On a light note, in my country there's now a crazyness about buying the "vuvuzelas", which we can buy at gas stations. They are plastic, of course, but still cause one hell of a scream, as you must very well know!<br><br>And of course i'm hoping Portugal does well. We have a one hell of a team, one of the best in the world.

  • June 11, 2010, 9:04 a.m. CST

    Also

    by blunted666

    I refer you to the epic 2007 all-star rap team-up track "I'm So Hood"

  • June 11, 2010, 9:07 a.m. CST

    blunted666

    by AsimovLives

    Oh nice, people talk like parodies. How great!

  • June 11, 2010, 9:09 a.m. CST

    southafricanguy

    by AsimovLives

    On a lighter note, in here there's this crze about buying the vuvuzelas. They are plastic, of cours,e but we can buy them in the gas stations. They still pack a one hell of a sound punch. As you must very well know.<br><br>I'm also having good hopes for Portugal. We have one hell of a team, one of the best in the world. We could go places.

  • June 11, 2010, 9:10 a.m. CST

    by blunted666

    You're the parady. Shortening neighborhood to hood is no more funny than shortening any other word for the sake of brevity.

  • June 11, 2010, 9:11 a.m. CST

    I Don't Give A Shit

    by FreeBeer

    I'm a grown up now, and no longer care about Transformers. I mean sure, I liked it as a kid, but have any of you seen that shit lately? The Transformers movies are terrible, but the source material is almost as awful. 80's kid's t.v was awful, hell 80's t.v in general was awful. It was only in the 90's when the likes of Pixar and t.v shows like The Tick, Ren and Stimpy, Spongebob came along that people copped on that kiddos aren't fuckin' dumb. (Though, we also had Powerrangers and Pokemon)I see Transformers for what it was now, a cynical half hour long series of commericials.

  • June 11, 2010, 9:14 a.m. CST

    You don't FILM video...you record it.

    by tHeGRinGoGenTiLE

    just saying.

  • June 11, 2010, 9:16 a.m. CST

    Shockwave?!?!

    by Mooly

    Always an under-rated and underpromoted character in my opinion. I had it as a kid and loved it. But I agree with the ending of the article and Bay saying the twins are "mostly gone". That means they are still in the movie but won't be so dominant. But they will still be there to annoy everyone. Also, I like how Bay says the "dorky humour" will be gone. Does he mean all of the god-awful dick, ball, fart, piss and dog humping humour...or just the stuff with the twins? I think he should be forced to elaborate because Trans2 was fucking awful.

  • June 11, 2010, 9:17 a.m. CST

    I don't think Bay is consciously racist

    by AsimovLives

    i think he's most of a misguided fool. I'm sure that Bay must think of himself as not prejudiced agaisnt blacks. But he has this high-middle class crass fratboy sense of humour in which he sees this type of black attitudes as humourous. As evidences by the type of humour in his BAD BOYS movies. This crass "black" humour must really make Bay piss in pants laughing, so he used it in his latest TRASHFORMERS movies. The problkem with Bay is that he's so dumb, uneducated and unsensitive, he doesn't understand the inherent racism in the humour that the Twin Robots characters present and represent. I don't think he's consciously racist, but the type of basic humour shit that makes him laugh is inherently racist.

  • June 11, 2010, 9:17 a.m. CST

    Asimov....blame the South African government

    by southafricanguy

    my friend. the ANC's head is shoved so far up its ass its not funny. They are in total denial about the high crime rate, and they are far to busy making themselves (and their friends and relatives) rich to bother with silly things like providing decent funding to the police force, or improving the education system so as to end the cyle of poverty etc...Basically as the party of NelsoN Mandela, they think they are beyong reproach, and that they rule by entitlemnet. If you ar ewhite and criticize the SA government you are a racist, and if you are black and criticize the SA government, you are a traitor. So I could care less about the stupid fucking Soccer World Cup. When they pour that much money into actually developing the fucking country as opposed to blowing millions to show off for the rest of the world, and for a stupid fucking game, then we can talk. Actually I am glad things like that are happening because the SA government deserves to be embarressed in fron tof the world which should see the reality of what Sout Africa really is.....

  • June 11, 2010, 9:21 a.m. CST

    A country that is very badly run and managed

    by southafricanguy

    and is slowing grinding to a halt as its out of date infrastructure falls apart and the crime rate just gets worse and worse, while the brain drain continues, while the middle calss shrinks, and the poor (70% of the fucking country) just get poorer.....

  • June 11, 2010, 9:21 a.m. CST

    by blunted666

    I think that middle-class white people viewing lower-class behavior, either white or black (in the case of teh twins, both) as being inherently negative is racist. I'm from a trailer park. Watching nascar and drinking domestic beer never hurt anyone, and there are tons of people who adhere to this regional sensibility. Sorry if their existence offends you.

  • June 11, 2010, 9:21 a.m. CST

    Personal opinions...

    by Madmarek

    ...are like invisible friends. Everyone can only see their own.<p> Mr Gorila if you do NOT think a movie is fun to watch, do NOT think it is entertaining, why did you go watch the sequel?<p> Why will you go watch the third as we all know you will?><p> It was suggested earlier people who enjoyed the movie were simply dumb and that's why it was a success. I'd suggest people who watch a movie because they enjoy it and enjoyed the first one are far higher on the evolutionary ladder than those who watch movies they hate.

  • June 11, 2010, 9:22 a.m. CST

    ot that Im bitter or anything about my

    by southafricanguy

    country or anything.....

  • June 11, 2010, 9:34 a.m. CST

    The one thing I like...

    by Dollar Bird

    ... is how in that picture of Shockwave you posted he's holding a little gun version of himself and his other hand is a gun. Overkill? (I've never seen the movies. Embargo.)

  • June 11, 2010, 9:39 a.m. CST

    Will He

    by Twisk

    Will he still be a gun? And will his trigger still act as a chubby when in robot mode?

  • June 11, 2010, 9:39 a.m. CST

    blunted666

    by AsimovLives

    Let me guess: you also have a mullet.

  • June 11, 2010, 9:39 a.m. CST

    These movies have just been a giant fucking mess.

    by kafka07

    I've nothing else to add here.

  • June 11, 2010, 9:41 a.m. CST

    I didn't watch the sequel, Madmarek.

    by Mr Gorilla

    I saw the first, didn't like it. No amount of Bay saying 'we're going to make the second one way better' could convince me to see the sequel. I will never, ever see it: of that I can assure you.

  • June 11, 2010, 9:43 a.m. CST

    Then sorry

    by Madmarek

    ...you can't have a valid opinion of a movie you haven't seen yet.

  • June 11, 2010, 9:43 a.m. CST

    Oh no, they are now bringing the "personal opinion" argument

    by AsimovLives

    The Gays for Bay never cease to bring up that argument to justify their amusement at the shitty movies made by the worst filmmaker in holylwood. It never fails, sooner or later, the "personal opinion" bulshit will always come up. It's the "one size fit all" argument.

  • June 11, 2010, 9:43 a.m. CST

    Mullet

    by blunted666

    No, but certainly certain family members do. I had the advantage of a military upbringing and have been influenced by many different cultures over the years, although most of them are the lower-class and lower middle-class sensibilities of different regions

  • June 11, 2010, 9:43 a.m. CST

    Gays for Bay, what you gonna do...

    by AsimovLives

    ... when the heat is coming for you?

  • June 11, 2010, 9:45 a.m. CST

    Mullets are evil

    by AsimovLives

    And trailer park ancestancy is the type of thing one should overcome and never came back. Never look back.

  • June 11, 2010, 9:47 a.m. CST

    Trailer Park culture

    by blunted666

    It's not all bad, for instance Metallica's "The Black Album", and White Zombie's "Astro-Creep 2000" are extremely well-enginered albums. Detractors may not appreciate the aesthetic, but from a production standpiont a certain intelligent obviously exists. There is good and bad to any culture

  • June 11, 2010, 9:48 a.m. CST

    Not watching TRASHFORMERS 2

    by AsimovLives

    You don't need to watch TRAHSFORMERS 2 to know it's a bad movie. The writing is in the wall. watching it only confirms how bad it is. No, in fac,t watching it just makes you aware that however bad you think the movie is, it's even worst. Not watching TRASHFORMERS 2 is like a personfication of that famous saying: "Ignorance is bliss".

  • June 11, 2010, 9:53 a.m. CST

    And just to be clear...

    by Mr Gorilla

    My main beef isn't that the film is being made, or indeed that lots of people watched it. It's that a film that is so empty and cynical is the very opposite of 'cool', and as such any reporting on the making of TF3 doesn't belong on Aint It Cool News.

  • June 11, 2010, 9:54 a.m. CST

    blunted666

    by AsimovLives

    Trailer park is just a former of poverty. And all poverty is bad. It degrades people and robs them of their honour. and if we consider the fact that most of the poverty that exists in this world could had been avoidable if not for the blind mindless greed of some who get rich at the expenses of millions, then you can see, there's no honour in being a trailer park boy. If you are saying there's many good people who are trailer park people, sure, of course. That's truth in all classes around the world. but that's not the point. The trailer park life is one that one should get out as soon one can and never look back, unless you are making an artistic or documentary statement about.<br><br>One of my favorite movies is about trailer park people: the epic GUMMO! One of the top best comedy i ever sene in my whole life. The wrestling scene when a guy almost loses a fight with a chair is beyond description.

  • June 11, 2010, 9:56 a.m. CST

    Mr Gorilla

    by AsimovLives

    Well, the reporting of TRASHFORMERS 3 being made could have place in AICN... as a danger warning public service, if you know what i mean.

  • June 11, 2010, 9:56 a.m. CST

    AsimovLives

    by Pawprint

    So personal opinion is an invalid argument, but saying someone who enjoys Bays films and tries to justify it is 'Gay for Bay' is fine?!<p> You childish retard.

  • June 11, 2010, 9:56 a.m. CST

    by blunted666

    Of course living in poverty is terrible, I'm the last person you need to convince of that. However throughout the history of culture some of the most interesting and expressive art and entertainment have come as escapism for people living in poverty. Therefore it is unfair to knock all aspecst of the culture, although it is perfectly fair to knock the circumstances the create the suffering.

  • June 11, 2010, 10:01 a.m. CST

    Harony Korine

    by blunted666

    I cannot watch his movies. I am bitterly aware of that reality and get nothing from watching them except a little depression... I prefer the escapism of pop entertainment. Though I am very glad his movies exist for people who are removed from that reality... particularly KIDS and Julien Donkey-Boy... that is very hard to watch if you have ever dealth with a schizophrenic family member... it is very realistic (aside from maybe the thing with the baby.. trying to avoid spoilers)

  • June 11, 2010, 10:03 a.m. CST

    AsimovLives - What are you gonna do when...

    by Mr. Nice Gaius

    THE POWER OF BAY COMPELS YOU!<P>THE POWER OF BAY COMPELS YOU!<P>THE POWER OF BAY COMPELS YOU!

  • June 11, 2010, 10:06 a.m. CST

    Mr Gorilla

    by Mr. Nice Gaius

    What you deem "cool" news is irrelevant. It's all about online traffic and hits.

  • June 11, 2010, 10:06 a.m. CST

    Mr. Nice Gaius

    by AsimovLives

    Already has.

  • June 11, 2010, 10:07 a.m. CST

    "It's all about online traffic and hits."

    by AsimovLives

    I can't disagree with that.

  • June 11, 2010, 10:07 a.m. CST

    People read into bay far too much

    by RedBull_Werewolf

    For someone who you all claim "makes trash movies" you sure do love to rip apart the dudes secret intentions behind his films. Bays imagines lots of 'xplosions and then films them, He's not a story teller the way Depalma or spielberg are, but he is a filmaker and the fact that both transformers movies made close to 2 billion dollars means that the general public quite enjoys seeing his films

  • June 11, 2010, 10:09 a.m. CST

    Pawprint

    by AsimovLives

    Of couse it's an invalid argument. If you can't support it with anything else but "it's my opinion so there", then it's bullshit. It's bullshit. Might as well never said anything at all.

  • June 11, 2010, 10:09 a.m. CST

    Bay is not the worst

    by blunted666

    He gets as much or more negative posts than Uwe Boll. I'm not saying Bay is in my top 20 or anything. His excellence at action photography is on a see-saw with the many things he does poorly and the outcome is usually pitifully mediocre movies. I like The Rock quite a bit

  • June 11, 2010, 10:12 a.m. CST

    RedBull_Werewolf

    by AsimovLives

    So, for you, the box office of his movies is legit reason to admit and support him? What are you, an accountat with a fetishistic lust for revenew? All this "big box office" excuses for Bay is like admiring the rich just because they are rich. It's lame, it's stupid, and it's fucking useless.

  • June 11, 2010, 10:15 a.m. CST

    AsimovLives

    by Mr. Nice Gaius

    Do you realize that people could go back to TRANSFORMER Talkbacks from 2-3 years ago and basically cut-n-paste your responses in these current threads?<P>Think about that.<P>Heh.

  • June 11, 2010, 10:18 a.m. CST

    AsimovLives

    by Pawprint

    In the case of ROTF, it would seem that popular opinion of the people was only with about 20 more films in the history of film. Ever. And unless someone is talking hard facts, an opinion can NEVER be wrong - you can only disagree with it.

  • June 11, 2010, 10:19 a.m. CST

    blunted666

    by AsimovLives

    Bay is worst. Bay is worst then Uwe Boll. you know why? Becasue Bay operates at a level of moviemaking that Boll will never reach. Boll fucks up at the low/middle budget level. Bay fucks up at the 200 million dollars level. Bay makes this crass stupid movies with budgets in which nobody has any right to fuck up. When you have 200 millions dollars to play, and given the best actors and crew in Hollywood and money can buy, and still you fuck up liek Bay does that's a total testement of the complete lack of talent he has. This Boll clown, he fucks up, but in such a low tier capacity, he's meaningless. He's just a sidenote at best. Bay, however, is important. He takes the jobs other people ar emuch mroe qualified, and wastes money on shit that makes no sense whatsoever. All his movies are textbook cases of over-spending on shit that doesn't help a movie at all. all his movies, had they been done by competent directors who understand storytelling and dramatic beats and proper use of spectacle to tell a story, those would had cost half as much. Bay's is not only a bad filmmaker, he's wasteful. Bay is not only bad, he's dangerous.

  • June 11, 2010, 10:19 a.m. CST

    Yeah, but

    by blunted666

    The People also voted in Bush. Twice.

  • June 11, 2010, 10:21 a.m. CST

    Granted

    by blunted666

    But I would say most big budget movies are terrible. Most.

  • June 11, 2010, 10:21 a.m. CST

    Pawprint

    by AsimovLives

    Opinions can be wrong: you know how? If you can't support them. So there. i know it's fashionable among the people who can't give a fuck about thinking about things to use the "personal opinion" bullshit excuse. It's the same shit as the creationists when they can't offer a single reason in support of their anti-evolution bullshit. It's the same tactic, to try to shut up the opposition with nonsequiturs bulslhit. Well, that can impress the idiots, but nobody else.

  • June 11, 2010, 10:22 a.m. CST

    Gays for Bay = The Creationists of Geekdom

    by AsimovLives

  • June 11, 2010, 10:25 a.m. CST

    blunted666

    by AsimovLives

    Most big budget movies are unimpressive, unremarkable, mediocre or banal. Only a few reach a true level of terribleness. Bay has made anything but. He's exceptional in that regard. He's exceptional because all his movies are terrible and dumb and retard beyond imagination.

  • June 11, 2010, 10:27 a.m. CST

    Mr. Nice Gaius

    by AsimovLives

    So?

  • June 11, 2010, 10:29 a.m. CST

    AsimovLives

    by RedBull_Werewolf

    obviously people enjoy what bay's movies provide. when a transformers movie bombs at the box office then maybe your "argument" will hold up, but when they shatter box office records i just find it hard to give your bay bashing any credit. T%he critique of film is subjective so no one can say that a film is good or bad beyongd their own feelings of said film, And thats not what we are disscussing here. what we are discussing is the fact that people want what bay does, he obviously got alot more right then he did wrong when it comes to transformers 2 and the amount of people that saw the movie and bought the dvd proves that

  • June 11, 2010, 10:30 a.m. CST

    AsimoLives

    by quicksilver80

    Opinions cannot be wrong, it's the facts that support them that can be wrong. Two persons can have different opinons based on similar facts, the subjective nature of opinions make the very difficult to categorize.

  • June 11, 2010, 10:30 a.m. CST

    You're probably right

    by blunted666

    I'm trying to think of comparable big budget directors with a long list of stinkers, but am having trouble... I think a bunch of Burton's recent output has been really bad... Planet Of The Apes, Willy Wonka, Sweeney Todd... he did have a redeeming Big Fish in there somewhere

  • June 11, 2010, 10:30 a.m. CST

    AsimovLives

    by Mr. Nice Gaius

    Waste your time much?

  • June 11, 2010, 10:35 a.m. CST

    Once again, noted Cinematic Auteur Michael Bay...

    by Mr. Nice Gaius

    ...wreaks havoc upon the citizens of Geekdom by announcing new characters and making vague promises of change and non-suckery. And as the denizens of AICN get their panties all up in a frenzied posting wad, the one thing that is certain is that Michael Bay and Don "Twunt" Murphy will be laughing all the way to the bank. Because no matter how much you hate him...<P>...THE POWER OF BAY COMPELS YOU!

  • June 11, 2010, 10:36 a.m. CST

    Oh

    by blunted666

    John Woo since he came to America... though I read that his new one was good?

  • June 11, 2010, 10:36 a.m. CST

    A review of TF2 that made me laugh. (It's by Mark Kermode.)

    by Mr Gorilla

    Is there a worse director working in cinema today than Michael Bay? For sheer spectacular cynicism, he really is hard to beat. Sitting through "un film de" Michael Bay is like being struck repeatedly over the head by a hefty accountant's ledger and in the case of Transformers: Revenge of the Fallen (2009, Paramount, 12), the skull-pummelling number-crunching is particularly loud… and long. By comparison, the tacky 80s cartoon feature Transformers: The Movie starts to look like a lean, mean arthouse flick, morally worthy of its voice cast which included a fallen Orson Welles. Things start badly with the unwelcome return of charisma vacuum Shia LaBeouf, although Bay seems too busy leering over Megan Fox's arse to notice just how dull his leading man really is. But the cards are on the table soon enough as Shia goes to college where he is seduced by a sexy fembot, allowing Bay's camera to peer up someone's skirt in the service of an "important plot point". After that, it's the usual tedious orgy of big, boring robots hitting each other, stopping only to explain the plot (something about an ancient machine buried on Earth that will blow out the Sun and spell the end of mankind blah blah blah) and pause for some "Miller Time" moments amid the picturesque pyramids which remind us that Bay's primary aesthetic registers are advertising and MTV. Oh, and porn. Michael, if you're reading this, I'll make you a deal – you stop making movies and I'll stop being a critic. Honestly, I'll do it. The sacrifice would be worth it.

  • June 11, 2010, 10:38 a.m. CST

    Ang Lee

    by blunted666

  • June 11, 2010, 10:42 a.m. CST

    Mr. Nice Gaius

    by AsimovLives

    I never waste my time. You?

  • June 11, 2010, 10:48 a.m. CST

    I'm guessing Unicron shows up at the end

    by seagrass

    and wipes out just about everyone... hence Bay's "killer ending".

  • June 11, 2010, 10:50 a.m. CST

    I'm also not sure why some fanboys hate popcorn flicks

    by RedBull_Werewolf

    have your childhood is based on these cheesy brain at the door type films, you'll masterbate to a DVD copy of monster squad but then ream out bay for making a mindless movie like transformers.

  • June 11, 2010, 10:52 a.m. CST

    AsimovLives: you are insane

    by seagrass

    Comparing Bay to Boll is a clear indicator of this. Even Bay at his very worst moment is better than Boll at his best.

  • June 11, 2010, 10:57 a.m. CST

    Mr. Nice Gaius

    by AsimovLives

    No, it's cinematic auteur Michel Baie. He is une artiste!

  • June 11, 2010, 10:59 a.m. CST

    seagrass

    by AsimovLives

    Nice try, no cigar. It's the typical flagging horse, the Uwe Boll. As if boll's own awfulness would make Bay's awfulnes sgo away. Wrong, dude, Bay is terrible, regardless of Boll. And Bay fucks up on much higher levels, and suppoerted with much better technical and talent support. Thus, he fails harder and worst. Deal with it.

  • June 11, 2010, 11:01 a.m. CST

    RedBull_Werewolf

    by AsimovLives

    Wrong, fanboys love popcorn. Fanboys are identified for their sole liking of popcorn and nothing else. The dumber, the better.

  • June 11, 2010, 11:02 a.m. CST

    Bay, Bayer, Bayest

    by AsimovLives

    The evolving sensebilities of Michael Bay. He's so sensible now, he has it pouring out of his ass. So sayeth Mr Beaks.

  • June 11, 2010, 11:04 a.m. CST

    Fuck TRANSFORM3RS

    by WavingFlagsInSpace

    And TR4NSFORMERS.<p>AND TRAN5FORMERS.<p>AND TRANSF6RMERS.<p>AND TRANS7ORMERS.<p>AND TRANSFORMER8.<p>AND T9ANSFORMERS.<p>AND...oh, fuck 'em all.

  • June 11, 2010, 11:05 a.m. CST

    Mr Gorilla

    by AsimovLives

    Great post, man. Thank you a lot for that hillarious review by Mark Kermode. Have you ever seen any of his TV documentaries about movies? He really loves Ken Russell's THE DEVILS, and he was a great advocate of CLOCKWORK ORANGE while the ban on the movie was still going on.

  • June 11, 2010, 11:07 a.m. CST

    When the Gays for Bay get scarse in arguments...

    by AsimovLives

    ... they always bring up Uwe Boll. As if two wrongs would make a right! Gays for Bay, the creationists of movie geekdom.

  • June 11, 2010, 11:08 a.m. CST

    AsimovLives, then why bash Bays films

    by RedBull_Werewolf

    Bay's film are the definetion of "popcorn". Mindless campy action for 2 hours, Thats not a negative bash from me because i love every minute of them (i'll be first in line for a Michael Bay movie, and i loved the transformers films). <P>So why do you bash bay if he makes the exact film you say fanboys eat up<P>Are you insane?

  • June 11, 2010, 11:09 a.m. CST

    Most people in trailer parks own

    by bobbofatz

    their home. No payments. They are not slaves to a mortgage. There is freedom in that. And if you get info about trailer parks from the movies, sorry. There is a stigma attached that does not prove to be true in most cases. Also Tformers and soccer suck!

  • June 11, 2010, 11:09 a.m. CST

    RedBull_Werewolf

    by Bouncy X

    regarding the fanboys, its because they've turned into old senile men with their constant "back in my day" approach and way of thinking. its pretty sad because many of them are probably my age or even younger. they think movies were awesome/better and perfect when they were younger when the fact is they just view them with rose colored glasses. but remember, these are the same people that used to say the first three Indy movies and the original three Star Wars were all awesome movies....until the new ones came out then its all "well this always bugged me". so not only are they stuck in rose color land, they're revisionsts too. :P

  • June 11, 2010, 11:11 a.m. CST

    Give the autobots a real story this time

    by Adelai Niska

    A mystery to be solved not by Shia but by OPTIMUS PRIME. You know whose face is biggest on the poster? OPTIMUS. Who do we pay to see? Optimus. And who ends up relegated to Deus Ex Literally Machina status to save Shia's ass? Optimus. <p> Seriously, get rid of the fucking humans.

  • June 11, 2010, 11:14 a.m. CST

    Bring on the Reboot

    by corvette63

    Maybe the new video game coming out this month will spark Hollywood's interest in a reboot that is truer to the G1 shows from the 80's. I bowed out after seeing the first Bay movie.

  • June 11, 2010, 11:18 a.m. CST

    Well said Bouncy X

    by RedBull_Werewolf

    Couldn't have put it better myself<P>On that note, i think i'm done with this thread, it's not what it used to be and it has raped my childhood

  • June 11, 2010, 11:24 a.m. CST

    Bullshit, Bay

    by BizarroJerry

    We were told TF2 was going to be much better, too. Ugh.

  • June 11, 2010, 11:24 a.m. CST

    Here's a snippet from Bay's Bio.

    by Stalkeye

    "He lives in Los Angeles and Miami with his two bullmastiffs, Bonecrusher and Grace, named for characters in Transformers and Armageddon, respectively. He loves animals. As a boy he donated his Bar Mitzvah money to an animal shelter and often includes his bullmastiff dogs in his films. Bonecrusher appeared as Mikaela’s dog “Bones” in Transformers: Revenge of the Fallen. Mason, his first bullmastiff, was named for John Patrick Mason, played by Sean Connery in The Rock. Mason's last appearance in a film was as Miles' dog in Transformers. He died during production of that film in March 2007".<p>Hmm Bar Mitzvah...yep, Asi he's Yewish.,:D

  • June 11, 2010, 11:48 a.m. CST

    Michael Bay sucks all around

    by brocknroll

    Why can't he make a decent Transformers movie? It's because Michael Bay is a shit director. The only good movie he made was "The Rock" with Nicolas Cage and Sean Connery, but everything else Bay has done? Meh. The third Transformers will probably suck too. Even getting rid of Megan Fox and the dorky comedy can't save it. Sorry.

  • June 11, 2010, 11:51 a.m. CST

    Bay is an adopted Jew

    by Turd_Has_Risen_From_The_Grave

    He's a foster kid that never knew his own father and was adopted by a Jewish family. His real surname is not Bay. Bay claims that the late (and pretty good)director John Frankenheimer was his father, but DNA tests back in the 80's proved this wasn't the case and Frankenheimer vigourously denied it. Bay claims that DNA test weren't sophisticated enough back then and still remains adamant that Frankenheimer was his father. <p>Ha ha ha, even John Frankenheimer didn't want to be associated with this hack; it was as if, even in the 80's before Bay had begun his notorious career, Frankenheimer had a sixth sense that this young asshole would turn out to be a hack of the highest order and an embarrassment to his directorial lineage if he had claimed parentage.

  • June 11, 2010, 11:56 a.m. CST

    Bay's daddy issues also explain his tantrums

    by Turd_Has_Risen_From_The_Grave

    and his ignorant brattish view of the world. Maybe even explains his sexist objectification of women. Not that I'm complaining about leering close ups of Mega Fox/ new chicks bodies, mind.

  • June 11, 2010, 12:01 p.m. CST

    I wonder what Shockwave will sound like?

    by GornPirate

    Cause Soundwave sounds like Doctor Claw on Inspector Gadget.

  • June 11, 2010, 12:07 p.m. CST

    I won't watch this nonsense.

    by T 1000 xp professional

  • June 11, 2010, 12:14 p.m. CST

    liked the first one

    by Miyamoto_Musashi

    though the second was someone between not great and average, I may give the third one a chance<br />Surely Unicron is the way to go

  • June 11, 2010, 12:15 p.m. CST

    southafricanguy

    by Turd_Has_Risen_From_The_Grave

    Actually, if you've ever read the Marvel run of Transformers comics from the 80's, there was a pretty good mythology there. At least on a par with most superhero titles, if hardly of the magnitude of SW or LOTR. I don't know if the Marvel writers invented most of it or not, but there was certainly a pretty mythological backstory about the god-like founders of Cybertron, and the contemporary tales had a lot of interesting characters and socio-political themes, including human bounty hunters and X-Men aping storylines about anti-transformer political groups and what have you. It's been decades since I read it so I can't really remember, but there was some good stuff in there, beyond the nonsense that Bay has tried too pass off as Transformers. I even remember storylines where Spider-Man and Iron Man teamed up with the Autobots, though that's never going to to happen in the movies due to licensing. <P>The cartoon series was pretty lightweight, I grant you that, but at least there wasn't lowest common denominator humor and incomprehensible storytelling in it, either, unlike Bay's tasteless shitbombs.

  • June 11, 2010, 12:18 p.m. CST

    Bouncy X

    by rogueleader66

    I am one of those old geeks you speak of. I'm in my early 40's, and yes, I think movies were better years ago. But that's not to say I don't appreciate good films when they are made these days, the sad part is the quality of films HAS dropped off significantly the past few years, I cant see how anyone can even deny that.<P>The summers are no longer chock full of movies you want to see, I remember going to the movies 1-2 every week during the summer, but no more. The movie going experience in general has changed, and sadly, not for the better.<P>That being said, I must also address another point you made regarding the original SW & Indy films. I loved all of them, and any flaws I found or problems I had with those movies, I had then, I did not ever change my mind as a result of the newer films of those series. Maybe I am a rare exception, but once I have an opinion about something, it takes a lot to change it, and definitely more than inferior sequels/prequels. My opinion of those movies was not changed by the Prequel trilogy or Crystal Skull, in any way shape or form. If they did anything they made me remember their greatness and appreciate them more (for the record, I did like the PT and Skull was merely ok, but nothing close to the original 3). So count me out of your generalization of older fanboys, because I am nothing like that.

  • June 11, 2010, 12:23 p.m. CST

    "No dorky comedy" means

    by Viewer 3

    that instead we'll have "horrible, cheesy, hokey wanna-be drama". You know, the "DUN DUN DUUUNNNNNNN" sort of stuff. Get some real actors, real writers, and real directors, then maybe we'll talk.

  • June 11, 2010, 12:25 p.m. CST

    TRANSFORMERS: PURPLE ROBOT PROPHECY

    by turketron_2

  • June 11, 2010, 12:28 p.m. CST

    TF2 was the best film of last year.

    by Joely_Boy

    Best sound design, best CGI, and the climax was one of the most awesome modern day battles ever filmed. <P> I'm into Ingmar Bergman but his films ain't really gonna test my 5.1 surround sound system or giant LCD screen. So, I ain't no snob.

  • June 11, 2010, 12:30 p.m. CST

    TF2 was the best film of last year.

    by FrecklesBauer

    For me to poop on.

  • June 11, 2010, 12:31 p.m. CST

    Me, Grimlock

    by Ben Fong-Torres

    forgot what Grimlock's comment was.

  • June 11, 2010, 12:39 p.m. CST

    I LOVE THE HUMOUR!! ITS THE BEST PART!

    by FleshMachine

    unfunny transformers aint much.

  • June 11, 2010, 12:56 p.m. CST

    RedBull_Werewolf

    by Viewer 3

    Different people draw the line at different places. I'm sure there are certain movies that YOU think are idiotic and would accuse people of being complete idiots for paying money to see them and encouraging such trash to be made.<p><p>The whole attempt at pegging everyone who hates nonsensical action as "elitists" got tired a long, long time ago. I'm sure there are things that you think are ridiculous, and would just laugh if the person who actually enjoyed said ridiculous thing accused you of being an elitist (which it seems like you're doing). Everyone who bashes stupid movies is suddenly "someone who thinks that all movies nowadays are bad and only likes something if it's old".<p><p>Face it, not everyone likes mindless nonsense the way you do.<p><p>Not everyone wants to spend money and wait in line to see something that treats them like a kid (and not in the positive "so fun I feel like a kid again" way).<p><p>I can't speak for others, but personally I'm not asking for there to be serious philosophical metaphors in my action movies. But give me The Rock over Transformers and any of these other so-called "popcorn" movies ANY day of the week. The Rock was a solid action film because of its characters and its story. Were the situations entirely implausible? Of course they were. But if you do it RIGHT, then you don't NEED an Oscar-caliber action film. And that's the point. What you call "popcorn", the rest of us just call lazy film making. You CAN have action- even borderline MINDLESS action- without insulting the viewer's intelligence. People like you, however, will simply watch and enjoy anything they're fed, as long as it's "loud and is something to look at".<p><p>What a joke.

  • June 11, 2010, 1:02 p.m. CST

    This TB is sadder than the Holocaust and Darfur combined.

    by ebonic_plague

    For the love of all that is good and righteous, the next time you guys feel compelled to seriously argue about something as worthless as a Bay TF movie, just turn off your computer and go outside. The world will be a better place for it.

  • June 11, 2010, 1:07 p.m. CST

    Thanks for recycling Superherohype's

    by CellarDweller

    story that I read yesterday AICN! Anyway... In addition to ditching Skidmarks and Mudflaps, is Bay also getting rid of Sam's parents? Only then will the movie be mostly dork-comedy free to my satisfaction!

  • June 11, 2010, 1:16 p.m. CST

    Hot Rod goes to Look Out Point with Daniel

    by Best_Little_WhoreHouse_On_Caprica

    That's all I need to see

  • June 11, 2010, 1:34 p.m. CST

    Yet another TF movie that I

    by Dingbatty

    don't care about, which is waste, considering I'm a huge fan of the property since the 80's, yet they won't get my ticket money (my friend forced me to see the first one, buying my ticket).

  • June 11, 2010, 1:37 p.m. CST

    Devestator went out like a bitch in the last movie

    by chrismata

    He should have fought Omega Supreme.

  • June 11, 2010, 1:43 p.m. CST

    No robot nut-sacks?

    by NippleEffect

    they ain't gettin none of my monies<p> (not that they would have anyway)<p> The first one was barely tollerable, didn't see the 2nd, thank god<p> They lost the only reason to see a 3rd one, Megan Fox<br> And replaced her with a chick that has a foot for a face<br> (And I'm being unkind to foots everywhere)

  • June 11, 2010, 1:55 p.m. CST

    Blunted666 is correct.

    by JaimeFoxx

    Despite the fact that he never dance when he's in this place cuz u n ur man is plannin ta hate.

  • June 11, 2010, 1:59 p.m. CST

    pawprint

    by redkamel

    who gives a fuck, just let Bay milk this until we can get a proper reboot. <p> Pawprint, i was the same as you: toys only. But you know what?<p> The fact that movie grossed well does not make it a good movie. Lots of shit movies make money, lots of good movies flop. A "good move" is not defined by how much it makes. Unless you are an exec I suppose. Comic relief is fine, but potty humor is not. especially in a sci-fi movie? How are we supposed to take anything seriously (in a movie asking us to suspend disbelief) when there are peeing photorealistic robots? <p>The old "its a popcorn movie line". A popcorn movie doesn't have to be just masturbatory special effects and visuals. It should have a story. Shakespeare WAS popcorn theater. Star Wars, Indiana Jones...all popcorn. The fact that you literally have to NOT pay attention to understand what is going in a Transformers movie does not make it a popcorn movie. Also, i dont know about you, but I can't really turn my brain "off". I consider it a gift.<p>Devastator balls: Please read your defense out loud. There is no reason for there to be Devastator balls. Its not an accident. Its not an attempt at realism.<p> No one wants a direct translation of the show, or whatever straw man you have. People just want a property with POTENTIAL (fan base, action, robots, highly expandable backstory) to not be wasted on a one weekend blockbuster that will be in bargain bins in a week. Why can't TF get the same treatment as Iron Man, Batman or X-men? They were equally popular among kids, and while comics are taken "more seriously" and had more material, TF had room to expand and make it, you know, an actual thing. Instead its just crap. And everyone thinks its crap. Box office take means enough kids wanted to see it; not that it isnt a crap movie. So stuff it.

  • June 11, 2010, 2:03 p.m. CST

    Hey...I Love Trailer Park/Ghetto culture...

    by conspiracy

    if not for places like these there would be a serious shortage of pole dancing, streetwalking, do anything for a few bucks gash.</p><p>But just because I'll throw $20 bucks for some single wide ginger bitch to blow me doesn't mean I'll stoop so low as to take said Trailer Park Tart to see a Michael Bay film...thats for her daddy or uncle to do.

  • June 11, 2010, 2:06 p.m. CST

    Asmovlives hates every movie except for Moon

    by RPLocke

    Even though Moon was an overrated yawnfest.

  • June 11, 2010, 2:30 p.m. CST

    If you like these movies, you lose my respect.

    by TedKordLives

    And you wouldn't want that, would you?

  • June 11, 2010, 2:35 p.m. CST

    see, here is some of the trouble.

    by VADER77

    .. Asimov is a pretty good guy, and I think he's from Portugal, so I forgive his typing. What WE all ned to realize is that WE ARE ALL DIFFERENT. I really liked "Moon", I also really liked "Transformers", and kinda liked "Transformers 2", but to say Bay sucks diseased water buffalo scrotum always, well that's not right either because "Bad Boys" is one of my most favorite movies EVER. Look, we are prbably ALL going to disagree to some extent on this stuff, it's just the way it is, BUT FOR FUCK'S SAKE, quit throwing down absolutes. I am over 40 and love animation movies. "The Incredibles" is a great frikkin movie guys, animated or not. Also, "How to Train Your Dragon" is one of the best movies in recent memory, "Kick Ass" did just that for me, and I thought "Repo Men" was damn good too. BUT, "Robin Hood" was weak and slow, "Ninja Assasin" was one of the worst movies I've seen in DECADES, "Date Night" was kinda funny sometimes and "Clash of the Titans" fucking sucked, as well as "Terminator 4"... but I laughed my ass off at "Get Him to the Greek"..... so does that make me a total shit fuck??? we all like shit for our OWN reasons.... realize that and get on with life.... I FUCKIN' LOVE MOVIES, LOVE 'EM, and I DO watch quite a few movies without thinking a fucking thing except being entertained for 2 hours or so. SHIT, FUCKERS, LIGHTEN THE FUCK UP..... so, Asi.... think the USA has ANY chance in the Cup?

  • June 11, 2010, 2:36 p.m. CST

    rogueleader66

    by Bouncy X

    well its good to know there are people who think and everything out there. sorry if you felt targeted or whatever with my generalizing but as is the case all over the internet, its always the negative nancys who have the louder voice so i was just complaining about them. :P as for movies getting worse these days, well of course thats all about personal tastes and opinions. though i do agree this summer seems lacking. i mean even when its not movies i care to see, there's usually a good 5 or 6 tentpole releases you know will do well or least have a chance. but yeah this summer there's Iron Man 2 and Toy Story 3. everything else being a hit will be a surprise. there's always been at least 5 or 6 movies i see during the summer and this year i've seen just 1 and not sure if i'll see any others.

  • June 11, 2010, 2:56 p.m. CST

    The humans were always superfluous..

    by darthwaz1

    In the cartoon, the comics, and now in the movies. Nobody cares about the people, it's the robots we like. TF2 was lame story-wise, but I loved the robots, especially Opitmus and the forest fight! totally watchable on bluray!

  • June 11, 2010, 3:11 p.m. CST

    Man I miss that toy. Have no idea what happened

    by SID 8.0

    to it. I might actually see this one.

  • June 11, 2010, 3:34 p.m. CST

    The I hate Bey posts are amusing

    by RPLocke

    Why aren't there any I hate Jon Faveru posts, I mean, he did make Iron Man 2 the worst movie I've seen all year.

  • June 11, 2010, 3:41 p.m. CST

    ...seems I am not alone, Rogue Leader

    by VADER77

    has some of my same feelings as well. Which of course just drives my point home. I STILL see at least 1 movie a week these days, every once in a while 2. It's not just the movie going public either that is totally to blame. TheWAY Hollywood makes movies anymore is MORE to blame. They are DUMBING DOWN movies these days and we are all suffering for it..... I DON'T want to have EVERY FUCKING THING SPELLED OUT to me to understand or enjoy a film. as a matter of fact, you wind up destroying that movie and pissing me off instead. QUIT DUMBING your shit down, Hollywood. YOU are the main cause of the lackluster and poor films that we have been shown and digested in the past 8 years or so now. I DO NOT WANT TO BE SPOON FED your movie. Doing that means not only do you not have faith in your product, BUT, you assume I am a fucking moron, too. You need to start taking MORE chances. I want more "Pulp Fictions", "Big Fish", "Fargo" and many many more of that ilk. I still want my "Ironman" and "Harry Potter" too. So come on, quit pandering to simple, make more MOVIES.

  • June 11, 2010, 3:44 p.m. CST

    These movies are designed to lower your IQ.

    by TedKordLives

    See them at your peril.

  • June 11, 2010, 3:44 p.m. CST

    People who hate Transformers and Bay are....

    by SpunkyMonkeyCream

    Pedophile-faggots confined to AintItCoolNews. The Civil War begins now. It's "Gays against Bay" Versus the rest of the World!!!

  • June 11, 2010, 3:56 p.m. CST

    Pawprint

    by savagedave

    You're son has no taste, and neither do you. Although he's only four and can probably blame it on you.

  • June 11, 2010, 3:56 p.m. CST

    Heh.

    by TedKordLives

    Says 'SpunkyMonkeyCream'.

  • June 11, 2010, 4:07 p.m. CST

    Michael Bay is saying what we want to hear...

    by SamLoomis1978

    At the most, this will be like the 1st one, shitty, but kinda watchable.

  • June 11, 2010, 4:08 p.m. CST

    savagdave has a taste for children....

    by SpunkyMonkeyCream

    Because he's a registered sex offender.

  • June 11, 2010, 4:11 p.m. CST

    HEY ASIMOVLIVES GUESS WHAT

    by SpunkyMonkeyCream

    HARRYIZAFAGGOT STILL LIVES AND YOU'RE A QUEER

  • June 11, 2010, 4:12 p.m. CST

    I fully intend to illegaly download it

    by Giant Ape Balls

    I will watch it out of morbid curiosity but I'm sure as shit not going to pay a penny to watch it.

  • June 11, 2010, 4:22 p.m. CST

    Ladies and Gentlemen, I give you:

    by TedKordLives

    The obviously superior intellect of 'Spunky Monkey Cream'.

  • June 11, 2010, 4:23 p.m. CST

    Shockwave Died in Transformers 2

    by kenichi tanaka

    What the Hell? Shockwave died at the hands of Optimus Prime during the Forest Battle that took place between Optimus Prime and Megatronm and his Decepticon buddies.

  • June 11, 2010, 4:38 p.m. CST

    RE: Shockwave Died in Transformers 2

    by Mr. Nice Gaius

    Ummm, no. He didn't. He wasn't even in the movie. You must have been hallucinating. Just ask AsimovLives. He loves the TRANSFORMERS movies...

  • June 11, 2010, 4:48 p.m. CST

    Go Bots

    by WilliamZabkaRox

    @ TehCreepyThinMan You mentioned how generic this is and compaired it to GoBots but what many people do not know is that GoBots came BEFORE Transformers. GoBots came out in 83, Transformers 84. GoBots struggled in the shadow of TF mostly due to poor marketing by Tonka while Hasbro promoted the sshit out of Transformers.

  • June 11, 2010, 4:57 p.m. CST

    'Movies better when we were young'

    by Mr Gorilla

    Well, actually, I loved the movies when I was young - I was born in 1971 so was perfect age for Star Wars, Raiders etc. But I gotta say, amongst all the shit for kids today there are some real treats: the PIXAR films especially. There really wasn't ANYTHING like that when I was aged 5. Or how about Studio Ghibli? It's not all bad. I do think, though, that I got it better when it came to campy action: while kids today get Transformers 2, i got FLASH GORDON. Hell yeah!

  • June 11, 2010, 5:14 p.m. CST

    redkamel...

    by Pawprint

    I think you actually need to read my post again - this time though, I want you to actually take in what I meant; not what you THINK I meant. <p> Please point out where I said that popular is the same as 'good'. I think you will find I said exactly the OPPOSITE.<p> As previously mentioned, I didn't particularly like the BumbleBee 'pissing' gag in the first film, but if you can suspend your disbelief enough to accept giant fighting alien robots which can turn into vehicles, but seeing one of them dump his oil sump on someone is a dealbreaker for you, then that's your problem. <p> ROTF is a popcorn movie and has just as much story as Raiders of the Lost Ark. Before anyone has an embolism, I AM NOT saying ROTF is as good as Raiders. I also did not say/suggest that you literally have to not pay attention to understand TF films. Neither did I say you have to 'switch off your brain'. I was actually saying the opposite again; to watch a film, all you should need to do is sit and receive the images and information - you should not have to sit and analyse or pick apart a film on the fly in order to understand it. I also did not mention special effects or visuals in terms of defining a good popcorn film; that's an argument you have made from straw...<p> Devastator Balls - maybe YOU should read my defence out loud - nowhere did I say this was accidental, or an attempt at realism. I took it as a little dig at the notion of transforming robots - those wrecking balls had to go somewhere - why not make a joke out of it. It was a quick, throw away gag that works in context - it's not like Devastator spends his entire screen time with swinging bollocks in view.<p> Why don't YOU have a go at explaining to me how this joke is any more offensive, childish, or inappropriate than Dan Ackroyd getting a blow job from a ghost in Ghostbusters?<p> I'm sorry, but your last paragraph just becomes a contradictory rant; you want a TF film that the kids will like, like Iron Man, and ROTFs box office means nothing because it's only that much because loads of kids liked it?!<p> You then finish the whole confused mess by petulantly saying "Its crap and nobody likes it" - if you had added "So there!" and then stamped your foot with a "Humph!", that would have topped off your argument nicely.

  • June 11, 2010, 5:15 p.m. CST

    WilliamZabkaRox

    by Giant Ape Balls

    I remember Gobots, they definitely didn't put enough thought into the marketing. Coz, lets face it, all the Transformers comics and cartoons were is marketing produce. Bloody good though...

  • June 11, 2010, 5:19 p.m. CST

    savagedave...

    by Pawprint

    Think about it logically. We bought him the original TF film (for £2) because he showed an interest in the Bay film FIRST. Strange how the original film couldn't hold his interest after seeing Bays film...<p> Anyway, when you're a big enough boy to be able to father children yourself, you'll be able to see that four year olds like all sorts of strange films and TV programmes.

  • June 11, 2010, 5:30 p.m. CST

    Pawprint

    by Giant Ape Balls

    You're right. What I've finally come to terms with is that these movies weren't made for me. And why would they be? Of course, I'm disappointed that it isn't (and it certainly on't stop me bitching about it) but that's the way it is.

  • June 11, 2010, 5:39 p.m. CST

    Giant Ape Balls...

    by Pawprint

    The difference is, I haven't noticed you screaming at people that they are fucking morons because they enjoy Bays TF, or suggesting that they have a homosexual crush on the director.<p> The biggest advantage I have over you is simply no attachment whatsoever to the source materiel.

  • June 11, 2010, 5:44 p.m. CST

    I watch every Bay movie that is released......

    by lewarcher1949

    even though I only liked three of them. I'm so ashamed. DON'T LOOK AT ME!!!!!!

  • June 11, 2010, 5:44 p.m. CST

    SW prequels are better than the TF movies...

    by darthwaz1

    It's a fact.

  • June 11, 2010, 5:46 p.m. CST

    Pawprint

    by Giant Ape Balls

    My apologies, I forgot where I was. I shall begin a homophobic onslaught on all those who differ from my opinion immediately!!

  • June 11, 2010, 5:51 p.m. CST

    No, AOTC is far worse than ROTF

    by RPLocke

    In fact, ROTF is better than TPM and AOTC, and I like Star Wars.

  • June 11, 2010, 6:35 p.m. CST

    JamieFoxx

    by blunted666

    *dap*

  • June 11, 2010, 6:39 p.m. CST

    So, instead of...

    by mwlimberg

    a God-awful sci-fi/action/comedy, it will be a God awful sci-fi/action/drama? What would we do without hacks like Michael Bay? But bet you a thousand bucks AICN loves it! Hell, they liked the joke that was Cloverfield...

  • June 11, 2010, 6:46 p.m. CST

    Comparing the SW prequels and the Transformers movies...

    by Gozu

    based upon their respective merits is comparing shit from a horse and a shit from a dog. I mean, they're all fucking terrible. Honestly, the villain could be Unicron and they could have cloned Orson Welles just so he could do the voice and if it's still Bay and company, no thanks.

  • June 11, 2010, 8:06 p.m. CST

    John Turturro

    by SoonerSean

    Has been the worst parts of both of the first two films. That he's coming back makes my stomach hurt. And "basically" sounds like the Twin will make a token Jar Jar like appearance. Hopefully though it means they will die horrific deaths as quickly as possible.

  • June 11, 2010, 9:25 p.m. CST

    never bothered with the second one

    by The_Crimson_King

    wont bother with this one either

  • June 11, 2010, 10:04 p.m. CST

    Yeah..keep eating those table scraps up morons.

    by EddieMurphysLaugh

  • June 11, 2010, 11:16 p.m. CST

    Bumbling and slang spewing twins?

    by awardgiver

    Yeah, that was the only problem with the twins. They were bumbling, and spewing slang. Bay, you are really really clueless. Its just sad.

  • June 11, 2010, 11:58 p.m. CST

    Bay,didn't you suggest

    by meta4

    having swinging balls in transformers 2?...with that said i liked both transformers and will definitely see it opening night based on spectacle alone.

  • June 12, 2010, 12:37 a.m. CST

    Um, Shockwave WAS in Transformers 2

    by kenichi tanaka

    Wrong!!! Shockwave WAS in Transformers 2. Durinig the whole battle scene in the forest when Optimus Prime goes on a rampage. He makes short work of Shockwave as he jumps on top of Shockwave, kills him, and moves on to more Decepticons.

  • June 12, 2010, 2:26 a.m. CST

    Wait. What?

    by TedKordLives

  • June 12, 2010, 2:52 a.m. CST

    I think the article meant Soundwave right?

    by RPLocke

    Soundwave was left in orbit as a big satellite. Also, they never mention Cybertron being around at all during these movies. so we know Shockwave isn't back there.

  • June 12, 2010, 2:55 a.m. CST

    AssholeMumbles

    by quantize

    comparing ST with Transformers only demonstrates what a fucktard who honestly would not know shit from clay...its an infantile intellectual dishonesty of his...he turns around and defends fART directors whose work is genuinely no better than Bay's. <p> Asslime = 0 credibility.

  • June 12, 2010, 9:44 a.m. CST

    Kenichi Tanaka

    by Soundblaster

    Apparently, the helicopter Decepticon is named "Grindor": http://alturl.com/so24

  • June 12, 2010, 9:46 a.m. CST

    Soundwave was in TF2

    by Soundblaster

    http://alturl.com/pgz2 <p>Shockwave, however, was not.</p>

  • June 12, 2010, 9:58 a.m. CST

    Shockwave from the comics kicks your ass always!

    by OnO

    Which Shockwave? the inept cartoon version or the Marvel Comic version that hands the Dinobots, Optimus Prime and Megatron their robotic asses with some garnish thrown on top? Making a Transformers movie without the Dinobots is like making Batman without the freaking Joker. He might not be in the first movie sure, but when you add him and it's done right you get critics licking balls and money to film some pycho mind fuck movie you wanted to make since film school. GET THE FUCKING DINOBOTS YOU ASSHOLES! Pretty much every kid from the eighties who wasted their parents money on this shit wants to see certain characters. FUCKING GRIMLOCK! UNICRON, SOUNDWAVE, RUMBLE, STARSCREAM, DEVASTATOR and OMEGA SUPREME duking it out. It's not brain surgery nor is it dog humping ball jokes, but for fucks sake actually use some reference character material. Hey Bay when the actual marines asked are we facing Starscream when you were filming wouldn't that be a freaking clue to strangle your writers into writing more dialogue for that character that's known by Marines who last I checked were serious take no shit fuckers. DUH! Ah screw it. When's How to Train your Dragon 2 being released?

  • June 12, 2010, 10:10 a.m. CST

    OnO

    by Soundblaster

    Agreed. Supposedly, Ehren Kruger is a Transformers fan. Reading his original treatment for TF2 adds credence to this; Ultra Magnus, Hot Rod, Soundwave, Starscream, Devastator- all had MAJOR roles in the storyline. Bits and pieces from the treatment made it into REVENGE OF THE FALLEN, which seems to have been primarily written by Orci and Kurtzman (with, apparently, sixty-some pages from an uncredited Bay). Seeing as how Kruger has main writing duties, we may see something more in line with the old Furman epics. I'm keeping my fingers crossed.

  • June 12, 2010, 10:50 a.m. CST

    THIS is Shockwave as he was meant to be...

    by GreenRiver

    http://www.coverbrowser.com/image/transformers/5-1.jpg

  • June 12, 2010, 11:39 a.m. CST

    kenichi tanaka = PWNED

    by Mr. Nice Gaius

    Geezus, you weren't even close!

  • June 12, 2010, 11:43 a.m. CST

    GreenRiver

    by Soundblaster

    Agreed. That image may have solidified Shockwave as being one of the more badass characters in the Transformers mythos. And who can forget the absolute pummeling Megatron received in the proceeding issue?<p>If Bay and Kruger take any inspiration from the "New Order" storyline, I'd be very pleasantly surprised.</p>

  • June 12, 2010, 12:24 p.m. CST

    Trans4mers better have Unicron

    by Geomancer21

    Shockwave was a badass in the comics, and a decent villian, but the "fan favorite" everyone wants is Unicron. either bay isn't planning on putting him in a movie, or he plans on continuing past 3.

  • June 12, 2010, 12:33 p.m. CST

    According to the USA Today article...

    by Soundblaster

    ...TF3 is Bay's last Transformers film. Whether another director picks up the baton, or the series is rebooted is anyone's guess at the moment. After all, I can't imagine Michael Bay(or many a director, for that matter) would want to devote close to a decade on a single film series.<p>Of course, a bucket load of cash, and the challenge of bringing Unicron to film, could potentially sway The Bay...</p> <p>...if the Planet-Eater isn't planned for the film already, that is.</p>

  • June 12, 2010, 3:19 p.m. CST

    Pawprint...I like ya.

    by DrewMcWeenyOwnsYouAll

    You're okay in my book. I'm glad you liked ROTF, and you happen to have some good points. You seem to be one of the few TBers on AICN who manages to sound humble and reasonable without resorting to fucks, cunts, pricks, and any other vulgar cussword in the English Dictionary. Thanks for giving a forgiving review that actually DOESN'T make the reviewer sound like an utter moron for liking a film as massively flawed as ROTF. Cheers, bud.

  • June 12, 2010, 3:49 p.m. CST

    PWNED

    by moviemo

    Yes, the "P" key is so close to the "O" key on a keyboard, but how many people actually click SUBMIT without reading what they just typed? Are we that lazy we can't proof-read our own 2 fucking cents?

  • June 12, 2010, 4 p.m. CST

    moviemo

    by Mr. Nice Gaius

    Wow. You're kidding, right? You've never heard of "leetspeak"?<P>n00b.

  • June 12, 2010, 4:33 p.m. CST

    devastator's magical balls

    by Bouncy X

    whether you think the gag was funny or not, whats funny is the fact that none of the construction vehicles that form him even have a wrecking ball, much less two.

  • June 12, 2010, 4:55 p.m. CST

    moviemo, pwned is a word in the leetspeak alphabet

    by SpunkyMonkeyCream

    if you can even call nerdy gamer-fagboy lingo an alphabet. It's like writing an alphanumeric message on a pager or calculator, except it's evolved in to a wierd ineternet ebonics language commonly used among online gamer-fags. Your regular gamer wouldn't be caught dead using such fucking lame-nonsensical words but it's obvious that Mr. Nice Gaius is a total gamer-fag. That's why he used the word n00b to describe you. You've never heard of it before because normal people don't speak like that in public...if they did, they would be smashed for being a nerd, fag, pedophile, etc... I hope you find this helpful.

  • June 12, 2010, 4:59 p.m. CST

    For the rest of you bitches...

    by SpunkyMonkeyCream

    TF3 is coming to a theater near you whether you like it or not...so eat a dick. "Gays against Bay" are always so much fun to rag on.

  • June 12, 2010, 5:15 p.m. CST

    SpunkyMonkeyCream

    by Mr. Nice Gaius

    Is that like a Ben & Jerry's rip-off? Fail.<P>Anyway, I'm not a gamer; never have been and probably never will be. In fact, I don't even pwn (get it!) a console system.<P>But after a few years of interacting on these boards, I've certainly picked up a few things from the various trolls, cretins, and miscreants that populate AICN.<P>So, when in Rome...<P>Hope that helped to clear things up, pochenko.

  • June 12, 2010, 8:42 p.m. CST

    SW vs. Transformers...

    by darthwaz1

    SW prequels are definitely better, I can sit through them and be entertained, get into the characters and such, Transformers has ONE good character, Opitimus...the rest of the robots are just there, and the people are annoying

  • June 12, 2010, 9:45 p.m. CST

    DRSMOOV's Shockwave's Burden

    by finky089

    Is HANDS DOWN the BEST Shockwave there has ever been. If you don't know what I'm talking about, go to YouTube and search "DRSMOOV Shockwave" <p> You will laugh your ass off. <p> Also check his Return of Optimus Prime and Wheeljack SOS. Killer shit!

  • June 12, 2010, 10:57 p.m. CST

    CORRECTION

    by finky089

    It's called "The Rude Awakening Of Optimus Prime" by DRSMOOV

  • June 13, 2010, 12:08 a.m. CST

    We'll get Unicron

    by daggor

    Hasbro trademarked a "unicron" title for video games the same time they trademarked Revenge of the Fallen.

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  • June 13, 2010, 3:57 a.m. CST

    NO GALVATRON? NO DINOBOTS?

    by J-Dizzle

    Come on Bay, at least give us those characters. The movie can even suck! Just give us those characters.

  • June 13, 2010, 8:24 a.m. CST

    so basically, the moons a laser that will destroy earth?

    by brechtsky

    thats the twist, right? i mean bad guy that turns into laser, plus secret space race motivations in the 60s plus the first movies BS about the government, and the sequels with pre-modern man running into the baddies. So basically, inside the moon or something is a laser that will destroy earth, yeah? Okay, good, that means I dont need to see this.

  • June 13, 2010, 9:31 a.m. CST

    Schlockwave as the baddie makes sense

    by finky089

    didn't they say after the last one that we'd see alot of Cybertron in the third movie?

  • June 13, 2010, 11:33 a.m. CST

    i just noticed....

    by Bouncy X

    in that image of Shockwave up there, he's holding himself as a gun in his hand. lol

  • June 13, 2010, 2:44 p.m. CST

    "Lose the Parents" WTF?

    by magnetoelectric

    Howzabout lose the robots and keep the parents?

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