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Steven Soderbergh's Partial AVATAR Review: "Holy Shit!"

Beaks here...

Remember back in 1998 when we got all worked up over Steven Spielberg's "Oh, my God!" response to early footage from THE PHANTOM MENACE? Well, I think's Ed Douglas just got an equivalent response from Steven Soderbergh regarding James Cameron's AVATAR. Basically, Soderbergh was asked why he believes recent movies aren't impacting the culture as significantly as, say, THE GODFATHER did in 1972. After expressing his disappointment with the absence of "benchmark" movies, he cautioned that AVATAR might be the exception. His exact quote:

"I've seen some stuff and holy shit. It's the craziest shit ever. That could negate everything I just said."

While these two have worked together in the past (Cameron produced Soderbergh's SOLARIS), Soderbergh doesn't strike me as the logrolling type, so I'm willing to believe that he was really and truly blown away by what Cameron showed him. What's honestly more surprising to me is Soderbergh bemoaning the paucity of culturally significant movies over the last thirty-seven years. Did he not see ANOTHER YOU? I'll be very interested to read the entirety of Douglas's review, which should be posted to ... er, soon.

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  • April 29, 2009, 6:59 p.m. CST

    Holy shit?

    by The Dum Guy

  • April 29, 2009, 6:59 p.m. CST


    by Evangelion217

  • April 29, 2009, 7 p.m. CST


    by odo19

  • April 29, 2009, 7 p.m. CST

    And James Camerone will be fucking our eyeballs this december!!!

    by Evangelion217

    OH YEAH!!!!!!!!!!!!!! :) Mcg and Micheal Bay should be shitting their pants right now. ;)

  • April 29, 2009, 7:01 p.m. CST

    Girl Friend Experience

    by fiester

    Wouldn't it be funny if Sasha Grey won an Oscar for her performance in this film? After all, the Academy loves whores.

  • April 29, 2009, 7:02 p.m. CST

    I wonder if that quote will be on the poster

    by Continentalop

    Or used in the TV commercials?

  • April 29, 2009, 7:03 p.m. CST


    by Frank Black

    I have been saying the same thing. It would turn our world upside down (but from what I have heard, she is good, but not Oscar worthy in it!)

  • April 29, 2009, 7:04 p.m. CST

    I hope it's not literally an "equivalent response"

    by Fa_Tass_DinoMolester

    because TPM fucked us all in the face with a lit stick of dynamite. Thankfully, Soderbergh is not a subservient kook to Cameron, (as Spielberg is to Lucas), so I'd guess there's some truth to this response.

  • April 29, 2009, 7:04 p.m. CST

    "craziest shit ever"...and this from the guy...

    by FlickaPoo

    ...who just spent six months familiarizing himself with Sasha Grey's body of work. Sounds promising.

  • April 29, 2009, 7:05 p.m. CST

    But...Is Their Boobs?

    by Frodo T. Baggins

    And can someone please tell me what this movie is about for once?

  • April 29, 2009, 7:05 p.m. CST

    Define: "culturaly significant"

    by Logan_1973

    I seem to be surrounded by people who, over the years have continued to quote lines from Ghostbusters, Star Wars, Clue, LOTR, There Will Be Blood, Platoon, and name a few. I would define those as movies imbedded into our "culture". Thoughts?

  • April 29, 2009, 7:05 p.m. CST

    Frank Black

    by fiester

    Even if she just got nominated and they had to ask her "Who're you wearing?" on the red carpet--it would be hilarious.

  • April 29, 2009, 7:06 p.m. CST

    You know what'd be even cooler than Avatar?

    by Big_Dumb_Bunny


  • April 29, 2009, 7:07 p.m. CST


    by OnusBone

    I just made some fun of someone last week for this one. Just say "Lack", or "dearth." Paucity makes you sound like a jerk.

  • April 29, 2009, 7:07 p.m. CST

    "Eye ball fucking"

    by gnarwhal_evan


  • April 29, 2009, 7:08 p.m. CST

    A conundrum...

    by The Dum Guy

    Are you first if you are first, or are you first if you are the first to say first.

  • April 29, 2009, 7:09 p.m. CST

    Culturally significant movies

    by movieman742

    There Will Be Blood has to be on that list. "I DRINK YOUR MILKSHAKE.....SHLUUUUUURRRRRRRRRRP"

  • April 29, 2009, 7:10 p.m. CST

    Lord of the Rings..

    by Mr Willi

    That should count as a recent "benchmark" movie series. The sad fact is it is the only one I can think of. Studios and filmmakers no longer take risks -- recycling 80s cartoon series or movies made 15 years ago instead of putting out new material. That's why I am so eager for Avatar: Not for the 3-D or special effects, it is a goddamn original idea.

  • April 29, 2009, 7:10 p.m. CST


    by enderandrew

    Hasn't Cameron been wowing everyone with the technology behind the making of Avatar?<p>What I'm curious about is an editing, finished product that I enjoy. Wake me when there is a trailer.

  • April 29, 2009, 7:11 p.m. CST

    Holey Shit a whole planet full of Blue JarJar Binks with Boobs!

    by Darth_Inedible


  • April 29, 2009, 7:12 p.m. CST

    Harry Potter

    by enderandrew

    Harry Potter is culturally significant. You may debate if they make for great films, but they are culturally significant.

  • April 29, 2009, 7:14 p.m. CST

    Harry Potter?

    by Logan_1973

    I would think the books are more culturally significant than the films.

  • April 29, 2009, 7:14 p.m. CST

    Mr Willi

    by Fa_Tass_DinoMolester

    Actually, Avatar is not so much an original idea as "Dances With Wolves", but with aliens. However, I'm sure it's going to look, Cameron and Weaver collaborating on a sci-fi film for the first time since 1986, plus its Stan's last film. I'm there.

  • April 29, 2009, 7:15 p.m. CST

    The Phantom Menace

    by Swoomustdie

    To be completely fair, if you took some near-finished footage from the TPM is small blocks as some sort of extended trailer, I'm rather positive it would have rocked all our socks back in '99.

  • April 29, 2009, 7:16 p.m. CST


    by Magnum Opus

    will be the pasty, shrunken, miniature dong of a midget compared to the dangling blue awesomeness which was Watchmen.

  • April 29, 2009, 7:18 p.m. CST

    I laughed at the Another You? bit...

    by Gabba-UK

    But still, this is a Fox film. It won't do any harm to it's Box Office and yes many will (and do) thinks I'm nuts but I'm very strong in my convictions and principles. If Rothman's still cum-sticky fingers, from the reach around he gives Murdoch everyday to keep his job, have so much as touched a script for this film, it's not getting my money. I want to see this movie very badly but as long as Fox/Rothman/Murdoch are associated with it my principles will remain. I will not see it.

  • April 29, 2009, 7:19 p.m. CST

    Fuck Spielberg and Ron Howard!

    by ganymede3010

    I'll never forget reading their comments regarding TPM. I specifically remeber Spielberg saying "My jaw was droped for a week". So I don't place to much stock in what some director says about his drinking buddy's movie. Despite the wank from Soderbergh I'm sure this movie will deliver the goods.

  • April 29, 2009, 7:21 p.m. CST

    But will it just be a benchmark for effects?

    by performingmonkey

    Yes LOTR had great effects but it was a benchmark due to how it was shot and released and being a big adaptation of such a hugely popular book. You can only say 'wow' so many times (once?) at CGI shots generally. I want to be blown away by story, dialogue and action that feels like it's part of a movie and not a videogame. Avatar could be TPM ten years on. Yes spectacular (pod race is still brilliant) but the substance is NOT there. Use technology to ENHANCE, don't base your whole movie on effects with story and dialogue second.

  • April 29, 2009, 7:22 p.m. CST


    by lockesbrokenleg

    Too Much Chlorine.

  • April 29, 2009, 7:24 p.m. CST

    TWBB is a good example of a Godfather-caliber film.

    by gnarwhal_evan

    If you disagree - you're an idiot.

  • April 29, 2009, 7:25 p.m. CST

    Oh my GOD TPM

    by Trannyformers_Apologist

    Spielberg said "Transformers 2 was AWESOME and Bay's finest commercial since Got Milk?."

  • April 29, 2009, 7:26 p.m. CST


    by BringingSexyBack

    Visine gets the spooge out.

  • April 29, 2009, 7:34 p.m. CST

    Phantom Menace

    by enderandrew <p>One of the best trailers ever. Episode 1 does look good in very small chunks.

  • April 29, 2009, 7:37 p.m. CST

    Fucking trailer

    by enderandrew

    I just rewatched it again. It is unfair. Honestly, with a decent script, that could have been a very good film. Lucas really screwed the pooch by writing it himself. And he openly says he knows he isn't a good writer.

  • April 29, 2009, 7:38 p.m. CST

    well the dark knight already gave it to me rough

    by supercowbell4therequestformorecowbell

    but maybe this one will pound me like a bad boy as well.

  • April 29, 2009, 7:41 p.m. CST

    The Dark Knight

    by UMAGA

    Didn't that have a pretty big impact? I know people are going to bitch but last summer was madness.

  • April 29, 2009, 7:42 p.m. CST

    harry potter films are culturally significant

    by supercowbell4therequestformorecowbell

    and there are some great films in that series, but i would say the books are even more culturally significant. the biggest book series in years, and they sold like fuckin free sex. i know sales arent everything but god damn those books were so insanely succesful in a way i thought wasnt possible for books. 400 million sold? holy balls

  • April 29, 2009, 7:44 p.m. CST


    by docproc

    its just time to see a fucking trailer

  • April 29, 2009, 7:44 p.m. CST


    by S-Mart shopper

    will fuck your minds eye(ball)!

  • April 29, 2009, 7:47 p.m. CST

    wolverine will be significant

    by bacci40

    as it will cement the fact that fox hates you all

  • April 29, 2009, 7:48 p.m. CST

    We can stop sucking The Dark Knight's dick now

    by slone13

    Great movie, but cultural significance? C'mon. Stop. Nobody's buying it.

  • April 29, 2009, 7:48 p.m. CST

    It's hard for remakes to "resonate."

    by MCVamp


  • April 29, 2009, 7:49 p.m. CST


    by DrMorbius

    Only a douchebag would use "lack" or "dearth" when paucity would suffice!!! You made fun of someone for that? Really? Seriously, really?

  • April 29, 2009, 7:51 p.m. CST

    I just met a guy at work who has a part in Avatar.

    by iamnicksaicnsn

    Says the footage is amazing, but still needed 3d glasses to watch it. And that he watched it in a pod. Any questions you want me to ask him? (I'll see him again on Friday morning)

  • April 29, 2009, 7:57 p.m. CST


    by Fenrisulfr

    lol. Seriously, I'm really curious about what the thing will look like. This may actually fuck our eyeballs even deeper than expected. It may fuck our eyeballs back into our cerebelum.

  • April 29, 2009, 7:57 p.m. CST

    Avatar has 1 billion riding on it...

    by ABking

    The hype AICN and other boards have given this film...AVATAR better blow us away and have huge box-office numbers to back it up. Cameron is coming off of TITANIC and if AVATAR grosses 300 million domestic and over 600 million worldwide, no one will be bigger except Spielberg. But I still hope to god Jim wants to have some fun and return back to the spy business with pal Schwarzenegger. Imagine a TRUE LIES 2 in 3D. Have Harry Tasker still fly a Harrier jet in part 2 and make it action packed in 3D. Bet Cameron would love the hell out of that. Also, could Cameron address when AVATAR's trailer will go out and if the rumors of Arnie playing the cyborg Ido in BATTLE ANGEL are true.

  • April 29, 2009, 8 p.m. CST

    Yeah, baby!

    by Cobbio

    Very good to hear. At least Soderbergh didn't say, "Well, it was cool, I guess."<p> God, I'm so starved for originally conceived, dramatic, thought-provoking, ass-kicking science fiction! Give me this kind of storytelling any day of the week. I want things I've never seen before. I want fucking alien environments, butt-kicking futuristic war, love, pain, redemption, and most of all: intensity. That heart-pounding, tear-jerking slap across the face as the story unfolds. This is what I haven't felt for a while. Not in relation to a science fiction films, anyway. Books I've read have given me this, but no recent movie.<p> I'm excited for "Avatar."

  • April 29, 2009, 8:02 p.m. CST

    1999 was a benchmark year man

    by Stormwatcher

    Saying nothing has hit since Godfather is such BS. Sorry yeah, movies aren't the B all End All for eveyrone, they are for me , but whatever, he's talking outta his ass. And Avatar won't impact that way. Paul Blart mall cop 2 might though.....

  • April 29, 2009, 8:02 p.m. CST

    Actually, what is Soderbergh talking about?

    by MCVamp

    When critics/bloggers/idiots are searching for "the next '---' " they use...a Benchmark. "Will DARK KNIGHT live up to IRON MAN?" "Will AUSTRALIA be the next TITANIC?" "3:10 TO YUMA is the best Western since TOMBSTONE!" "Will Tarantino ever recreate the glory days of PULP FICTION?" "In the spirit of THE 40-YEAR-OLD VIRGIN..." "A movie that, like THE SHAWSHANK REDEMPTION, may find a more appreciative audience over time..." Soderbergh is just being overly nostalgic. And also, yes, they make fewer good movies now and what passes for a "movie star" becomes less impressive every year. I'm just saying...

  • April 29, 2009, 8:03 p.m. CST

    Avatar= the only reason I'm forgoing blowing my brains out!

    by Zardoz

    "Oh, I've wasted my life!" -Comic Book Guy, moments before his destruction by French "Bombe Neutron".

  • April 29, 2009, 8:04 p.m. CST


    by enderandrew

    Has anyone seem him lately? He looks absolutely terrible. He is a little chubby, and has tons of loose skin hanging off him. Stallone looks great for his age. The governator looks freakish. I don't think Arnie is going back to acting. But every time someone mentions the possibility of True Lies 2, you break Tom Arnold's heart all over again.

  • April 29, 2009, 8:05 p.m. CST


    by enderandrew

    There are those who hail it as the single best film of all time. To say that nothing modern equals it, is simply to say that perhaps no other film equals it. That in and of itself is not necessarily a slam on modern film.

  • April 29, 2009, 8:06 p.m. CST

    I have high hopes for the King of the World

    by mr dark

    Jim Cameron to truly deliver something new and innovative for the genre. That said I can't fuckin wait to have my eyeballs fucked in a professional manner by someone who isn't a goddamn amatuer.

  • April 29, 2009, 8:07 p.m. CST

    Is it like Watchmen Crazy Shit?

    by lockesbrokenleg

    But that was just shit

  • April 29, 2009, 8:09 p.m. CST

    a filmaker complaining about "no benchmark" films

    by Cedar_Room

    is like a journalist complaining that people only write crap these days in newspapers. <p> you're in a position to do something about it Soderbergh!

  • April 29, 2009, 8:10 p.m. CST


    by MCVamp

    I agree, but Stallone doesn't have the world's tenth biggest economy to interrupt his daily workouts. Plus Arnold's got a bad ticker. Despite this, once the Governator's out of office I'm sure he could return to a reasonably movie-friendly physique (just not as quickly as he could have 15 years ago.) Cosmetic surgery would probably be involved, and you know what? For one of the greatest physiques in history (roided or not) I'm more than willing to accept a surgically-enhanced Ahnuld should he decide to give the big screen one last go. (KINGCONANKINGCONANKINGCONAN)

  • April 29, 2009, 8:12 p.m. CST

    The Internets killed culture-impact movies

    by ReportAbuse

    We have so many options these days nothing need have any significance at all.

  • April 29, 2009, 8:13 p.m. CST


    by enderandrew

    Didn't Stallone get busted bringing roids into Myamar when filming Rambo? And Ahnuld admits to taking them in his Mr. Universe days, but he says they weren't illegal then, and he said he'd never take them now. Supposedly, he demanded that Furlong not work on T3 because he would never work with any actor that has ever taken drugs. (Apparently he doesn't know Hollywood).

  • April 29, 2009, 8:15 p.m. CST


    by enderandrew

    I took my daughter (3 years old) to see Monsters vs Aliens. The movie wasn't funny or interesting at all, but the 3D was pretty good. As an occasionally gimmick I don't mind it. If it is supposed to immerse me more, and not be a gimmick, then the problem is that the image is messed up when I move my head to drink from my soda.

  • April 29, 2009, 8:25 p.m. CST

    I got that Spielberg vibe from Soderbergh's "holy shit"...

    by Amy Chasing

    and we all know how it turned out for Phantom Menace. Sure it's one of the highest grossing films ever made, but it's understandable if the "oh my god" wasn't meant in a good way. <P> As long as Avatar is interesting and entertaining then it's already two up on Phantom Menace. And I'd rather a film have those two elements than anything else. <P> Fuck my eyeballs? How about we settle with just keeping me awake.

  • April 29, 2009, 8:26 p.m. CST

    what, didnt he see Children of Men? Or Slumdog?

    by pipergates

    Or Dark Night, or The Diving Bell and the Butterfly? Or is he talking about american movies?

  • April 29, 2009, 8:27 p.m. CST

    Amy Chasing

    by enderandrew

    (Great name, btw) You need to see my above link to the TPM trailer. If you see the right bits, it does look incredible.

  • April 29, 2009, 8:27 p.m. CST

    Soderbergh made Ocean's 11, 12 and 13

    by j_difool

    I would take his excitement with several grains of salt.

  • April 29, 2009, 8:31 p.m. CST


    by enderandrew

    Ocean's 11 was great. 12 was a mess. I haven't seen 13. But he directed some great films like Che and Sex, Lies, and Videotape. He also basically works non-stop and has since he got in the business. He doesn't take the time to promote his films. He just moves on to make the next and never looks back (like Woody Allen). However, I will never understand Soderbergh's obsession with Julia Roberts.

  • April 29, 2009, 8:31 p.m. CST

    This is an Edgar Rice Burroughs like tale

    by ThePilgrim

    This is were it all comes from. What inspired it. It's everything John Carter of Mars will fail to do for audiences, because this material comes from our time from a modern adventurer, and it speaks of our future, both the fantastic and the dire, and the life beyond our stars. I'm telling you me and my uncle keep rolling Edgar Rice into our Avatar conversations. I am so looking forward to this film. It's an escapist film. That's what it truly is. Sure there will be a few a messages to ponder and applaud, but theres also a totally unseen world and future to chew into.

  • April 29, 2009, 8:33 p.m. CST

    It doesn't amount to anything till we see something.

    by OutlawsDelejos

    The buzz has got me curious and bit excited. But ultimately it's all here say and conjecture till then.

  • April 29, 2009, 8:34 p.m. CST

    At what point does a film become "culturaly significant"?

    by Amy Chasing

    Is Star Wars part of western culture, or just film culture? Does all its merchandising transcend film culture to actually become part of something more? By that rationale then isn't any film that gets a Happy Meal made after it part of western culture? And since there are less of them than most films get, aren't they then by definition significant? <P> Discuss...

  • April 29, 2009, 8:35 p.m. CST


    by OutlawsDelejos

    That morph effect in Black and White still does look cool.

  • April 29, 2009, 8:38 p.m. CST

    Amy Chasing

    by enderandrew

    Whether or not someone attempts to sell a product doesn't matter in culture. What matters is whether or not people in society use it to identify themselves in the way that a person might label themselves as a Beatles fan, or an Elvis fan. It becomes culturally relevant if it is a shared experience that brings people together on common ground. We've been seen Chevy commercials likely (if we both live in the US) but are unlikely to use that as a cultural bond. However, a mutual love of Kevin Smith films however would be culturally relevant because we'd use it to identify a piece of ourselves.

  • April 29, 2009, 8:41 p.m. CST


    by Amy Chasing

    I remember the Phantom Menace trailer vividly. I loved it. <P> But it is not the movie, and if Spielberg saw more than just the trailer then I don't know where his "oh my god" comes from other than "oh my god... why does everyone look so lost in this film". <P> If, as film-makers say, story is king, story is the point and what it's all about, then please make sure it is. And if you can't pull that off, a fun action flik will do as long as it's fun.

  • April 29, 2009, 8:44 p.m. CST

    People Will Yawn - Guaranteed - G-U-A-R-A-N-T-E-E-D *Spoilers?*

    by ThusSpakeSpymunk

    At the end of the day, this movie is going to be A WATERSHED moment only in the minds of slavering fanboys. This movie isn't going to have a drop - a DROP - of impact on the general population. And it certainly won't be anything close to THE GODFATHER in terms of cultural impact. For one thing, the movie is science fiction, which is going to guarnatee it a VERY limited audience. Despite what the fanboy press will have you believe, and despite the piqued interest in STAR TREK (do you really think it's going to do the business people are projecting?), science fiction has an INCREDIBLY LIMITED audience. NOBODY - NOBODY - LIKES SCIENCE FICTION. NOBODY. Fans of science fiction represent less than one percent of the moviegoing public and recent failed sci-fi movie after failed sci-fi movie show this to be true (don't try to tell me WAR OF THE WORLDS or HANCOCK or even TERMINATOR 4 (yeah, **** you, McG - it's TERMINATOR 4) are sci-fi in the sense that AVATAR is going to be sci-fi). Add to this the fact that the story has been leaked to be a dreary ecoological fable about as relevant as the failed DAY THE EARTH STOOD STILL (big opening weekend, massive drop-off) where humanity is given an INCONVENIENT TRUTH guilt-trip and the fact that the so-called "action" is yet another example of CGI bumping uglies with more CGI and that the story is about a man who turns into an animated cat to fight ... pollution, which basically reeks of CAPTAIN PLANET levels of quality ... and you get to see how this is so overblown that sci-fi fans should just go home and wank to THE ABYSS - which, by the way, was regarded as "Cameron's Folly" by a number of industry types for being a massive financial failure at the time. AVATAR will be virtually ignored at the box-office once people see it's about as relevant to reality as SPEED RACER and lacks the hot lead actor or even a chimp. This movie is going to so profoundly disappoint the public and bore the skulls out of everyone who watches it. I'm not even speaking in terms of quality - but remember how THE FOUNTAIN was the movie that was going to change the world? Uh-huh. Yeah. This isn't JURASSIC PARK, people. This isn't dinosaurs. This is - literally - an eco-fable about a guy who turns into an animated cat. It's going to be about as engaging as watching your friend play SECOND LIFE. And hey, why is anyone who plays SECOND LIFE your friend to begin with in the first place?

  • April 29, 2009, 8:45 p.m. CST

    And Soderberg

    by ThusSpakeSpymunk

    ... Let's not forget he's the type of guy who's impressed by Che, who was a terrorist and a thug and who brutally murdered some 40 percent of the population of the nation he "saved."

  • April 29, 2009, 8:46 p.m. CST

    Amy Chasing

    by enderandrew

    I think storytelling is as relevant as the story itself.<p>TPM in many places is a series of meetings. People sit and talk. Filmmaking 101 says you show, not tell. Even worse, when people are sitting and talking, they are using Lucas's stilted dialogue. I bet if I put any effort into it, I could regurgitate the Episode 1 story into a fine novel. The actual novelization is already a marked improvement over the film, and it is the same story.

  • April 29, 2009, 8:48 p.m. CST

    Technology is great, but don't forget JC, STORY comes first

    by zooch

    Don't make the same mistake George Lucas has made. That path leads to the dark side.

  • April 29, 2009, 8:50 p.m. CST

    But, enderandrew, is there a difference between...

    by Amy Chasing

    culturally relevant and culturally significant? By your definition a show like Reaper is culturally relevant since a bunch of people are fans and want the show to continue - it's a small group (according to the ratings) but it's there. But would you say Reaper is culturally significant? I don't know. And which culture - TV culture or western culture as a whole? How much does popularity play in cultural significance (ala being a Beatles fan compared to being a Jon Brion fan)?

  • April 29, 2009, 8:50 p.m. CST


    by enderandrew

    Nothing wrong with technology. Lucas gave us THX sound. He created ILM. Star Wars in 1977 was pushing the envelope of technology at the time. The problem isn't the advent of technology, so much as the lack of storytelling.

  • April 29, 2009, 8:52 p.m. CST

    Amy - Your Philosophizing is Easy to Solve

    by ThusSpakeSpymunk

    The only question is: what is the basis for the American culture? The ANSWER IS POPULARITY. Fame and renown are the only things that have any merit in the American structure. Quality ultimately has no bearing on the popularity of anything in the USA. Therefore, the concept of cultural relevance and significance both can be easily quantified. Is it a fart joke? Culturally relevant and significant in the USA.

  • April 29, 2009, 8:54 p.m. CST

    oh god make the pain go away

    by simondark

    you cant trust stevey soderberger though,stevey says avatar is holy shit good but he also hired a porno whore to play a hooker...whats the frikkin point.You complain about relevance but do that dumbass shit?!?! seriously bad choice.I bet sascha pleasured him....alot..and by pleasured i mean blew him and his buddies...OH maybe clooney got some action too!

  • April 29, 2009, 8:54 p.m. CST

    oh god make the pain go away

    by simondark

    you cant trust stevey soderberger though,stevey says avatar is holy shit good but he also hired a porno whore to play a hooker...whats the frikkin point.You complain about relevance but do that dumbass shit?!?! seriously bad choice.I bet sascha pleasured him....alot..and by pleasured i mean blew him and his buddies...OH maybe clooney got some action too!

  • April 29, 2009, 8:54 p.m. CST

    Cameron should take notes....

    by BendersShinyAss

    ...from government if he truly hopes to implement change in the cinema going experience.... <p> Just say about a hundred people got sick watch 2d films. 80 people in mexico died and it's been confirmed that another dozen in israel started throwing up and hey presto - mandatory 3d installation.<p>Genius!

  • April 29, 2009, 8:54 p.m. CST

    Wow ...

    by TheBuffalo

    ... enderandrew .... you are quite happy with yourself aren't you?

  • April 29, 2009, 8:55 p.m. CST


    by ThusSpakeSpymunk

    You miss the point - there is no NEED for storytelling any more. A story requires that the audience stop and think - even for a aecond. This doesn't work in the American entertainment structure. Click-click-click-click-click - look, a fat guy falling/a cow farting/a baby puking on an old man/a monkey drinkings its own pee/a cat misspelling words as it is animated to type on a keyboard/a baby naked in a bathtub being hit on the head with a ball pean hammer in Iran and crapping itself. That's the entertainment medium. I actually believe - right now - someone could make a movie of 87 minutes of free youtube clips publicly posted to the 'net, charge a fee and people would flock to theaters to watch what they could see for free at home.

  • April 29, 2009, 8:58 p.m. CST

    Amy Chasing

    by enderandrew

    I don't think popularity equates directly to quality, but yes, in a discussion of cultural significance, popularity is a major factor.<p>The reason I cite Harry Potter as being culturally significant is because it has influenced such a large crowd, both young and old. And while I'm not sure any band will ever be as large as the Beatles again, and perhaps no movie will ever be as culturally significant as Star Wars, I think Harry Potter is the closest approximation today.<p>As for the distinction between culturally relevant and significant, I think relevant simply means you are in the conversation, but significant really hits home in how we identify ourselves.<p>I enjoyed The Dark Knight. I really loved the film. But I don't go out of my way to classify myself as a Batman fan. I don't spend time in my day looking up Batman rumors, or trying to strike up conversations about Batman, or connect with other Batman fans.<p>Where as if Lucas said today he was licensing the Zahn novels as new Star Wars movies, I'd be all over it. I identify more as a Star Wars fan. It is a bigger part of who I am, even though The Dark Knight was considerably better as a film than the three Star Wars prequels.

  • April 29, 2009, 8:59 p.m. CST

    "Nobody likes sci fi"...yeah, right

    by DoctorWho?

    Who were all of those people going to see all THREE Terminator movies? EP 1, 2 and 3 etc...I could go on...

  • April 29, 2009, 8:59 p.m. CST


    by BendersShinyAss

    I don't normally bag out other posters, but you sir, are an idiot. the truest sort of idiot. <p>seriosuly, where do you get your statistics?? less than 1% of audiances like science fiction??? <p>doof

  • April 29, 2009, 9:02 p.m. CST

    by enderandrew

    @ TheBuffalo - To answer your question, yes. I am pretty happy with myself. Given the hate spew that I often read in TB-land, I doubt most people here can say that. <p> @ ThusSpakeSpymunk - Would you say that storytelling ceased to be important with the advent of the written word, because oral storytelling went by the wayside? What about with the advent of radio, or TV, or color film? Good storytelling is always relevant. There is a reason why people love films like Shawshank Redemption, or The Usual Suspects. So I disagree with you. I think you are making a broad generalization, and a flawed one at that.

  • April 29, 2009, 9:02 p.m. CST

    Thor actor found

    by AxeEmAll

    Yeah, I sent info to Harry on this yesterday, and there hasn't been a link to it. Seems that gets scoops a lot earlier than AICN. The guy's name is James Preston Rogers. Seems that the gods of AICN don't read e-mails that much. Lol!

  • April 29, 2009, 9:06 p.m. CST

    People will go because it will be "different"

    by DoctorWho?

    It will get hyped and get a draw based on the novelty factor alone. <p> Question is will JC be able to weave a meaningful, relatable story and not just some "oohs" and "ahhs" for 3 hours. You don't know that anymore than I do. But you're just a hater lookin' to stir the shit so...whatever.

  • April 29, 2009, 9:07 p.m. CST


    by enderandrew

    I thought Brannaugh said he wanted to cast both Skarsgårds.

  • April 29, 2009, 9:09 p.m. CST


    by enderandrew

    That link is bogus. It just says a no name is intersted in the role. Get me a link that Brannaugh is interested in him, especially given that Brannaugh has basically said he casted Skarsgård.

  • April 29, 2009, 9:14 p.m. CST


    by ThusSpakeSpymunk

    You both miss the point. Star Wars isn't SCIENCE FICTION. It's a knight serial with the trappings of bright shiny lights. It's not 2001 (IE actual, you know, SCIENCE fiction, about SCIENCE, and ideas related to SCIENCE a la THE ABYSS, etc.) TERMINATOR are horror thrillers. Again - not about SCIENCE or IDEAS ABOUT SCIENCE, time travel crap nonwithstanding. Those movies use the trappings of the genre but have little to do with actual SCIENCE FICTION like, you know, SOLARIS or THE ABYSS ie colossal failures.

  • April 29, 2009, 9:14 p.m. CST


    by ThusSpakeSpymunk

    You both miss the point. Star Wars isn't SCIENCE FICTION. It's a knight serial with the trappings of bright shiny lights. It's not 2001 (IE actual, you know, SCIENCE fiction, about SCIENCE, and ideas related to SCIENCE a la THE ABYSS, etc.) TERMINATOR are horror thrillers. Again - not about SCIENCE or IDEAS ABOUT SCIENCE, time travel crap nonwithstanding. Those movies use the trappings of the genre but have little to do with actual SCIENCE FICTION like, you know, SOLARIS or THE ABYSS ie colossal failures.

  • April 29, 2009, 9:14 p.m. CST

    Anyone else notice this is the year of humans fucking up alien h

    by manicfanatic

    Aside from Avatar you got The Battle for Terra and Planet 51 coming. I don't know why you'd decide to release a movie with the same premise as Avatar the year it's going to be released when everyone in the industry knows it's been in production for the better part of a decade, but how silly of me to think I could begin to understand the complex workings of the mind of the contemporary studio head.

  • April 29, 2009, 9:16 p.m. CST

    Oh no here comes the eye ball fucking

    by walrusholder

    I'll be happy when this movie either fucks or doesn't fuck our eyeballs- tired of hearing about the damn thing- I want something we can look at

  • April 29, 2009, 9:16 p.m. CST

    what's so special about this movie?

    by ghost_matt

    I haven't read the above review yet, but I've been hearing people talk about this movie for some time and all I know is it's a sci fi movie directed by James Cameron and, I believe, they use motion capture computer animation like in Beowulf only it's much better. That's all I know about it, and I just want to know what's supposed to be so awesome about this?

  • April 29, 2009, 9:17 p.m. CST

    Avatar is more than just a new JC movie

    by SylarTheCylon

    It's going to redefine the experience of going to the movies. Now that people have 50 inch flat screens at home, cinema needs new ways to bring more asses to the seats, and 3D is it. Avatar will be a huge success because people who see it at properly equipped cinemas will spread the word of how awesome the 3D effect is, and this will spark curiosity in the general moviegoing public, so people all over the world, even here in southamerica with shitty cinemas, will go see it just to see what the fuss is about. If not for the 3D, at least for the CGI. Unless, and this is a big unless, people start avoiding the cinema because of the swine flu panic. I wonder what effect this recent outbreak, i hear it's at stage 5 now, will have on cinema attendance. With more and better diagnostic techniques, and knowledge about just how dangerous these mutating organisms are, maybe the paranoia of getting infected will bring the number of people going to the cinema to an all time low. I can only see things getting worse. My guess is that JC is looking into ways to bring the 3D experience into the homes of people, where the real money is, and he already expects low numbers at the box office. Of course, what the fuck do I know.

  • April 29, 2009, 9:17 p.m. CST

    The only yawns, ThusSpakeSpymunk

    by comedian_x

    are coming from people reading your wall of text. Use < p >. Cameron has *never* made a movie that bombed and as the maker of the most successful movie of all time clearly knows what people want. <p>You, however, do not. <p>Regarding Soderberg and Che: you can "impressed" by Che as a culturally significant figure and not condone his actions.

  • April 29, 2009, 9:18 p.m. CST

    Well...SOLARIS was WHOLY SHIT, so...

    by Drath

    Honestly, I don't give a shit what someone in the industry thinks of the movie. If they want to share more of their thoughts, maybe then I'll find some value in their impression, but otherwise I'm the only want who can decided if I'll like it.

  • April 29, 2009, 9:20 p.m. CST

    Che never ran Cuba braniac!

    by Outlaw

    The people in power (before Che) were greatly influenced by the American mafia, and were even more brutal than it's current state. It's a really common tale...rebel fighters take back power, only to be possed by greed and absolute power. Pick up a history book, please!

  • April 29, 2009, 9:20 p.m. CST

    Comedian - Sylar

    by ThusSpakeSpymunk

    Except that Soderberg has stated he thinks Che is a hero. Oh, and Sylar? Yeah, right - people will be screaming "Wow, that big piece of CGI flew right at me, and then afte that ... a ... big CGI thing flew right at me ... and ... then ... a big ... CGI ... flew ... right ... at ... me ... and .... .... ... .... then ..." 3D was a huge hit in the 50s and then faded when people realized it was the same thing over and over - and I predict AVATAR will hit theaters just as that malaise hits moviegoers again thanks to crappy 3D between now and then.

  • April 29, 2009, 9:22 p.m. CST

    So it's not HARD SCI FI

    by DoctorWho?

    ...Sure, Star Wars, Flash Gordon,Terminator...all SCIENCE FANTASY if you want to get technical. But you know what...the average movie goer or studio exec doesn't make such distinctions...only in the literary world.<p> The Abyss was as sci fi as you get. Once you show alien spacecraft and generic space aliens you are not in the realm of fantasy.<p> I remember Deep Impact being well recieved.

  • April 29, 2009, 9:23 p.m. CST

    Star Wars licensing

    by S-Mart shopper

    I'd rather see Stackpole's and Allston's X-wing series on screen. Great characters, great action and I truly believe non SW fans would thoroughly enjoy the stories.

  • April 29, 2009, 9:23 p.m. CST

    5-10 minutes of just about any film can seem great...

    by Poiuyt00

    it's the entire film that matters...we will see.

  • April 29, 2009, 9:24 p.m. CST


    by ThusSpakeSpymunk

    Name me a purely sci-fi movie (again, DEEP IMPACT was a disaster flick, not sci-fi about sci-fi ideas a la CONTACT etc.) ... that was a hit in the last, ok, 20 years.

  • April 29, 2009, 9:24 p.m. CST

    Well ThusSpakeSpanky, how was the script??

    by DoctorWho?

    You've obviously read it. Do tell!!

  • April 29, 2009, 9:25 p.m. CST

    Poiuyt00 -

    by ThusSpakeSpymunk

    Very good. There's a world of difference between the orgy scene in MATRIX 2 (hahaha, **** you Washawskis, it's MATRIX 2) and the fight scene on the truck

  • April 29, 2009, 9:26 p.m. CST

    Again, if Cameron only made

    by comedian_x

    movies that contained good visuals and nothing else then yes, the "malaise" would affect him. However, he does not; he makes great movies with great visuals and special effects. <p>

  • April 29, 2009, 9:26 p.m. CST

    Says the guy responsible for OCEAN'S 13.



  • April 29, 2009, 9:30 p.m. CST


    by zooch

    I'm not dissing technology, read the first three words of my post.

  • April 29, 2009, 9:30 p.m. CST

    I'm willing to bet, ThusSpakeSpanky, that

    by SylarTheCylon

    the 3D effect employed in this upcoming JC film, will surpass the effects displayed in those older movies in terms of awesomeness. I think this time, the effect is not about things flying at you, but of you being in the scene. A more subtle and way more effective effect.

  • April 29, 2009, 9:32 p.m. CST


    by SylarTheCylon

    sorry i spelled your name wrong

  • April 29, 2009, 9:32 p.m. CST

    From the Director of CHE "Craziest shit ever"

    by howzah

    Seriously Does anyone even care what this guy has done since Traffic? HACK

  • April 29, 2009, 9:34 p.m. CST

    Contact did well too

    by DoctorWho?

    You just named another one. <p> The reason Solaris tanked was not because it was sci fi. It was just bad.

  • April 29, 2009, 9:41 p.m. CST

    Wasn't Matrix sci-fi?

    by S-Mart shopper

    or The Prestige, 12 Monkeys, Serenity, Iron Giant...

  • April 29, 2009, 10 p.m. CST


    by Kaitain

  • April 29, 2009, 10:01 p.m. CST

    Howah, ur a fucktard...HACK?

    by quantize

    You just damned yourself as a tasteless fucktard.. eat shit jerkoff

  • April 29, 2009, 10:04 p.m. CST

    About Contact,

    by SylarTheCylon

    damn, that sure is a fantastic movie. Actually it's one of my favorites. What a shame Carl Sagan died. Why do geniuses have to die? Sucks, huh? He was an actual honest to God genius, who wasn't arrogant and explained science in terms even idiots like me could understand.

  • April 29, 2009, 10:05 p.m. CST

    TPM is my favorite SW movie...

    by darthwaz1

    so suck it...

  • April 29, 2009, 10:10 p.m. CST

    Culturally significant

    by Kaitain

    What does that mean? That they become pop culture touchstones with lines and/or scenes with which most of the population are familiar? <p> Hmmm...let's think. Titanic, Forrest Gump, The Sixth Sense, Jerry Maguire, South Park: The Movie, The Matrix, Pulp Fiction, maybe Fight Club?

  • April 29, 2009, 10:19 p.m. CST

    Serenity, Matrix, Prestige, 12 Monkeys, Iron Giant

    by ThusSpakeSpymunk

    Flopped, Not Sci-Fi, Flopped, Flopped, MAJOR flop. And CONTACT was crap. First thing I said, during the opening moments was "Aw, **** - the alien's gonna look like her dad to be in a form we can understand and it won't be clear if it's a dream or real." WTF?

  • April 29, 2009, 10:20 p.m. CST

    Remember it has Michelle Rodriguez in it

    by HoffmanPasander

  • April 29, 2009, 10:23 p.m. CST

    Hey If you guys like sci fi

    by StrokerX

    Check out my comic I've been working on!<p> Love to hear any of your thoughts.<p>

  • April 29, 2009, 10:28 p.m. CST

    Phantom didnt fuck my eyeballs, just beat off on my brain

    by Yotz Von Frelnik

    And that was not a good thing! What a letdown sixteen years of anticipation ended up at.

  • April 29, 2009, 10:29 p.m. CST

    sci'ence-fic'tion (sī'əns-fĭk'shən) adj.

    by S-Mart shopper

    "A literary or cinematic genre in which fantasy, typically based on speculative scientific discoveries or developments, environmental changes, space travel, or life on other planets, forms part of the plot or background."<p>Star Wars and Matrix aren't sci-fi?<p>Science fiction "(abbreviated SF or sci-fi with varying punctuation and capitalization) is a broad genre of fiction that often involves speculations based on current or future science or fiction can be synonymous with the broader definition of speculative fiction, encompassing creative works incorporating imaginative elements not found in contemporary reality; this includes fantasy, horror, and related genres."<p>Guess I don't what sci-fi is then.

  • April 29, 2009, 10:32 p.m. CST

    The Godfather is a poor example here

    by LeFlambeur

    The Godfather never advanced cinema in any technological sense. It was a cultural benchmark for a variety of reasons, much of which had to do with the core elements of great filmmaking. That's a shallow analysis, but I'm not gonna launch into a Godfather dissertion here. Perhaps most importantly, the film culture, hell the whole culture, of 1972 was very different that what it is today, and far more receptive to the kind of high toned work that Coppola and co. were doing. Plenty of works in the same league have been produced before and since, but our culture has not always been as receptive to them. In the best probable scenario, Avatar will fall into the tradition of the blockbuster breakthoughs Cameron and his buddies pioneered. As for 3-D, its certainly here to stay. I think though that too many Hollywood filmmakers are overestimating its ability to transform cinema. In the Time article on the subject one director remarked that 3-D allows a filmmaker to "make the audience duck." He forgot to add, "again." People ducked when movies were first screened over 100 years ago, but as history has shown, such an effect does not last. People will get used to 3-D just like they got used to color, cinescope et al. Black and White didn't instantly disappear when color showed up, and similarly 2-D is gonna stick around as a viable format for a while longer.

  • April 29, 2009, 10:33 p.m. CST


    by S-Mart shopper

    Two words, hover penis.

  • April 29, 2009, 10:44 p.m. CST

    Sasha Grey greenscreen fucks an alien!

    by fiester


  • April 29, 2009, 10:46 p.m. CST


    by noncents

    Can't wait.

  • April 29, 2009, 10:56 p.m. CST



    ...nah, that one is just too long for a t-shirt.

  • April 29, 2009, 10:58 p.m. CST

    I'd like to read the article BUT MY EYEBALLS HURT!!

    by lockesbrokenleg

  • April 29, 2009, 11:07 p.m. CST

    Carl Sagan's best quote

    by RandySavage

    In a lecture, Sagan shows a photo (taken by a probe near Jupiter) of a nearly invisible earth among millions of other points of light and says: <p> "Look again at that dot. That's here. That's home. That's us. On it everyone you love, everyone you know, everyone you ever heard of, every human being who ever was, lived out their lives. The aggregate of our joy and suffering, thousands of confident religions, ideologies, and economic doctrines, every hunter and forager, every hero and coward, every creator and destroyer of civilization, every king and peasant, every young couple in love, every mother and father, hopeful child, inventor and explorer, every teacher of morals, every corrupt politician, every "superstar," every "supreme leader," every saint and sinner in the history of our species lived there--on a mote of dust suspended in a sunbeam. <p> The Earth is a very small stage in a vast cosmic arena. Think of the rivers of blood spilled by all those generals and emperors so that, in glory and triumph, they could become the momentary masters of a fraction of a dot. Think of the endless cruelties visited by the inhabitants of one corner of this pixel on the scarcely distinguishable inhabitants of some other corner, how frequent their misunderstandings, how eager they are to kill one another, how fervent their hatreds. <p> Our posturings, our imagined self-importance, the delusion that we have some privileged position in the Universe, are challenged by this point of pale light. Our planet is a lonely speck in the great enveloping cosmic dark. In our obscurity, in all this vastness, there is no hint that help will come from elsewhere to save us from ourselves. <p> The Earth is the only world known so far to harbor life. There is nowhere else, at least in the near future, to which our species could migrate. Visit, yes. Settle, not yet. Like it or not, for the moment the Earth is where we make our stand. <p> It has been said that astronomy is a humbling and character-building experience. There is perhaps no better demonstration of the folly of human conceits than this distant image of our tiny world. To me, it underscores our responsibility to deal more kindly with one another, and to preserve and cherish the pale blue dot, the only home we've ever known."

  • April 29, 2009, 11:12 p.m. CST


    by Proman1984

    Solaris was a mess that did not do justice the book. And that's the truth.

  • April 29, 2009, 11:17 p.m. CST

    That is a GREAT QUOTE RandySavage

    by Proman1984

    If only more people read it and thought about its implications! More people need to realize that Earth is the only home we have and we must do our best to preserve our home. Keep the politics out of shit, it's a stupid excuse not to take personal responsibilities. How people can think that human actions have ZERO impact on environment is beyond me.

  • April 29, 2009, 11:28 p.m. CST

    He meant his penis...

    by Hasselhoffflying

  • April 29, 2009, 11:30 p.m. CST


    by RandySavage

    Proman, it's a great quote and has lots of implications. Google "pale blue dot" to see the image Sagan was talking about... it's pretty powerful. <P> Regardless of what a person believes about global warming, it only takes a little time on Google Earth to see how much of the planet's surface has been converted to human uses. Sadly, the 6th mass extinction (1,000 x the rate of natural extinction) is well underway regardless of the climate being static or changing. <P> This goes back to Avatar, because in creating a script about saving biodiversity on a alien world, this important subject is clearly on Cameron's mind (an avid ocean explorer).

  • April 29, 2009, 11:41 p.m. CST

    The Last Airbender

    by Oknight

    Honestly-- until a few minutes ago, I thought Cameron was working on a live-action adaptation of the cartoon show (which actually would have been awesome)<p>I haven't really been paying attention.

  • April 29, 2009, 11:56 p.m. CST

    No more benchmark movies!?!

    by otm shank

    AVP? Meet the Spartans? Disaster Movie?<p> And coming soon a new Drop Dead Fred flick!<p> Soderberg must be insane.

  • April 30, 2009, 12:25 a.m. CST

    I'm looking forward to Soderbergh's inevitable ripoff

    by YackBacker

    Guy's a fucking ripoff artist of the highest order. And he's been slobbin' The King of the World's knob for years, Beaks! That being said AVATAR is definitely going to replace hardcore porn as my spank material when it "comes" out this year!

  • April 30, 2009, 12:35 a.m. CST

    Beaks Accused Spielberg Of Being The Logrolling Type

    by Media Messiah

    By implication Beaks accused Spielberg of being a logroller, and he's right! Phantom Menance sucked and Spielberg knowingly pushed a horrible movie on the public by endorsing it.<BR><BR>I don't like Soderbergh much, but I have never known him to be a liar, so I will take his word as a good sign, but Spielberg has been caught lying so much, you can't trust his word anymore.

  • April 30, 2009, 12:47 a.m. CST

    Fucking Steven Soderbergh's Eyeballs in 2009

    by most excellent ninja

    Can't wait for Scorsese to say it.

  • April 30, 2009, 12:50 a.m. CST


    by southafricanguy

    just Soderbergh thats been impressed guys. Ridly Scott said that he would never do sci-fi again becos he believed that its all been done, that theres nothing original to do. After Cameron showed him some of Avatar, he is now making the forever war, and he is negotiating with Foxto do an alien 3D.

  • April 30, 2009, 12:56 a.m. CST

    And Peter Jackson was so impressed, he

    by southafricanguy

    deceided to make Tintin based on the footage and tech he saw. Also Danny Boyle has admitted to being blown away in an interview for Slumdog Millionaire..So many respected directors have been clearly impressed by what they have seen. And frankly im way more willing to believe guys like soderbergh, Boyle, and Scott than Spilelberg and Lucas..

  • April 30, 2009, 1 a.m. CST

    Phantom Menace WAS mind blowing

    by darthvedder81

    Still is even. With the ubiquity of CGI backdrops now it's easy to forget how beautiful those helicopter shots of Naboo, or Otoh Gunga, or the Podrace looked. Whatever you think of the movie you have to admit nobody had seen anything quite like that before TPM come out.

  • April 30, 2009, 1:01 a.m. CST

    Why would I give a fuck what Soderbergh likes?


    He's one of the most boring motherfuckers on the planet. He should be directing Billy Mays sawing through a fucking car.

  • April 30, 2009, 1:06 a.m. CST

    Why did the Lucas crew have their heads blown off by Phantom men

    by hallmitchell

    I remember that story. Ron Howard and Steven were flipping out. There was nothing mind blowing about Phantom menace in terms of a technological breakthrough. AVATAR will blow minds.

  • April 30, 2009, 1:07 a.m. CST

    And whoever mentioned the fact that Avatar

    by southafricanguy

    is at least original...exactly! Everyone constantly moans about the endless remakes and sequals, and about how idea bankrupt Hollywood is...well heres something completely new, its not an adaptation/remake/sequal/reboot etc..I think it may be the only new thing we get all year. And not only that its damn risky due to the new tech, how much its costing, and wether Weta, Digital Domain and Stan Winston studios can pull the effects off (those that have read the old scriptment will know what im talking about)

  • April 30, 2009, 1:20 a.m. CST

    Cameron just showed him a CGI Che

    by criticalbliss

    Guevara blowing Obama. <p> Which is why "Soderborg" liked it. <p> He wishes he was Che. <p> Anyone who films a hagiography of a fascist mass-murderer deserves to have their judgment questioned on a daily basis; even at McDonald's when ordering a happy meal. <p> So, count me not-excited.

  • April 30, 2009, 1:21 a.m. CST

    And the dude that said sci-fi aint

    by southafricanguy

    thats funny man, yeah thats why star wars, e.t, jurrasic park, independence day were all such huge hits...becos only 1% likes sci-fi...

  • April 30, 2009, 1:27 a.m. CST

    Fuck Soderbergh

    by Lemure_v2

    He dresses up boring films and calls them "artistic". There are better films out there than Godfather: Shawshank, Heat, most of Tarantino's output, and Scooby Doo 2...seriously.

  • April 30, 2009, 1:41 a.m. CST

    independence day was more of a action flick

    by supercowbell4therequestformorecowbell

    and it sucks so bad now anyway. sci fi is big though every now and then

  • April 30, 2009, 1:45 a.m. CST

    sorry dannygloversdickblood...

    by Grievey're too popular to be rogue anymore.

  • April 30, 2009, 1:51 a.m. CST

    Is this the right place for the eyeball fucking?

    by Youngdog

    As for Steven Soderbergh, I really enjoyed The Limey - it had an old school style and class that I really enjoyed. His Solaris remake was pretty pointless to anyone who'd seen the original (and I have Alex Cox's Moviedrome on BBC2 to thank for that!) but no-one can say he can't direct so I will take his word about Avatar. <P>Oceans 13 was fucking awful though. What a waste of Al Pacino. SPOILER: when they are lifting his money and he just stands there open-jawed like a kid who's just had his dinner-money stolen. You have THE most over-the-top actor in the history of over-the-top actors and he just mumbles 'my money' like a bitch. At least throw in a HOO-HA for fucks sake

  • April 30, 2009, 2:02 a.m. CST

    The Matrix is relevant!

    by Johnno

    That movie blew us away back in 99 and influenced pop culture tremendously to the point that other films tried to mimic it and bullt time was the in thing! And if you ask me Speed Racer was another holy shit film moment for me! Too bad the public was tricked by the critics... that is not cool beans!

  • April 30, 2009, 2:03 a.m. CST

    And I can't wait for Avatar!!!

    by Johnno

    C'mon Jim!!! Show me!!!

  • April 30, 2009, 2:21 a.m. CST

    Let’s not forget a couple of things....

    by MorganLeafy

    I honestly believe Soderbergh was impressed by what he saw. But haven’t years of awesome trailers followed by crappy movies learned us anything? Remember that studio execs were really impressed, as I would be, by the highway scene in the Matrix Reloaded. We all know how the end result turned out. Also there’s no doubt Avatar will be visually/technically brilliant. Will it be truly engaging as well? Cameron is a professional but an artist he ain’t. Look at that sappy chick-flick he last turned out.

  • April 30, 2009, 2:23 a.m. CST

    Here's a thought...

    by BiggusDickus

    If Avatar is all about experiencing super-duper hi-tech 3D bobbins in your local multiplex then what happens after the initial run?<p>Will it still be put out on DVD or Blu-Ray as a 'flat' home version? If so, will it still work as a movie? <p>Methinks old Jimbo better have a decent story to go with all his bells and whistles...

  • April 30, 2009, 2:27 a.m. CST

    I think Sooderbergh is right

    by Continentalop

    He said movies don't impact the culture like the did back in 1972, like Godfather, He didn't say they were not culturally relevant or as popular or as good. <p> And I think movies did impact the culture more back then. One reason was that the New Hollywood movement was a fresh new take, something that has been imitated and copied since a thousand times. Remember people, just a couple years before Godfather, Exorcist, Jaws, Taxi Driver, and hell, even Bonnie and Clyde, Hollywood was turning out Hello Dolly, Dr. Doolittle and a bunch of other bloated movies to the masses. Their was no nudity, no swearing, and not nearly the violence that the New Hollywood movies had, so obviously those movies hit the conscience and culture harder than any other time period. <P> Plus, now with cable and the internet, there is so many other outlets for a mass art form that can impact the culture. Sure, there was TV back then, but censors kept it from being as honest and as open as the movies. As groundbreaking and great as All in the Family is, it cannot match the shock and the culture significance of the Godfather. That was a movie that actually shaped America's consciousness.

  • April 30, 2009, 2:29 a.m. CST


    by southafricanguy

    not paying attention. Cameron has stated many times in interviews that Avatar will play on both 3D and 2D screens. It is not being shot to only be shown in 3D. He has also several times said the same thing as you that he knows the story is still the most important thing...

  • April 30, 2009, 2:33 a.m. CST know Cameron is

    by southafricanguy

    clever enough to know he cant risk his reputation and clout on a 200 mil+ movie that could only be shown on 3D screens and then could nt be released on dvd/blu-ray?

  • April 30, 2009, 2:34 a.m. CST

    and no studio would have financed it if that

    by southafricanguy

    was the case. It would just be too damn risky..

  • April 30, 2009, 2:40 a.m. CST

    Wow, an actual QUOTE from Cameron's buddy!

    by alucardvsdracula

    I'm impressed. My day can't get much better than that.

  • April 30, 2009, 2:44 a.m. CST

    reference of Spielberg's response killed this story

    by Se7en

    Your intro about Spielberg's response to Phantom Menace basically ruined any enthusiasm I had regarding Soderberg's amazement towards Avatar.

  • April 30, 2009, 2:48 a.m. CST

    I've got more quotes for you:

    by alucardvsdracula

    "Avatar is the best film you've never seen." "Avatar might be the best looking 3D movie ever made!" "Avatar could be the greatest Imax movie to be shown in 3D!" "Avatar is the new film directed by the director of True Lies." "Avatar might break all box office records." "Avatar may have better special effects than ROTS." "Jim Cameron looks real moody in the publicity still for AVATAR!!!" "Avatar might be the most retarded and overblown piece of shit since Titanic."

  • April 30, 2009, 2:51 a.m. CST


    by redmotlow

    RESPECT. not enough vocab on the web. well done, and appreciated.

  • April 30, 2009, 2:55 a.m. CST


    by Saluki


  • April 30, 2009, 3 a.m. CST


    by southafricanguy

    Avatar will have a big presence at the San Diego Comic Con this year. Maybe a trailer will be shown?

  • April 30, 2009, 3:05 a.m. CST


    by kwisatzhaderach

    Jim Cameron is going to own the asses of Abrams, McG and Bayhem come December. That's all we need to know.

  • April 30, 2009, 3:06 a.m. CST


    by kwisatzhaderach

    "There was nothing mind blowing about Phantom menace in terms of a technological breakthrough." It was the most extensive use of CG in a film at that point. It was enough of a breakthrough for Peter Jackson and Weta to visit ILM to investigate how to make Lord of the Rings.

  • April 30, 2009, 3:10 a.m. CST

    I can't wait for the sequel ICONS!

    by lockesbrokenleg

  • April 30, 2009, 3:20 a.m. CST

    Sod's SOLARIS was wonderful

    by Mr Gorilla

    And Cameron's commentary on the DVD shows him to be more than 'ole gunslinger' - more by a long way. Really hope this is a wonderful film. Cameron rightly says on the 2001 Blu-Ray that the special effect that REALLY counts is the idea behind the movie...

  • April 30, 2009, 3:21 a.m. CST

    James? I'm a little nervous...

    by Toonol

    ...but I'm willing to let you do it. You can... fuck... my eyeballs. I'll open them for you, nice and wide. Just... be gentle, and know that I trust you.

  • April 30, 2009, 3:29 a.m. CST


    by TheManBehindTheMask

    Titanic was a movie for everyone. Is this the new definition for chick-flick?

  • April 30, 2009, 3:39 a.m. CST


    by ReturnoftheCreepyThinMan

    Cameron’s last great film was Terminator 2 and that was 18 years ago. True Lies was underwhelming, Titanic was over rated and he hasn't made a movie in 12 years. Oh and sitting on your ass for that long doesn't make you a better Director as we saw of Stanley Kurbrick and Terence Malik not to mention the 22 years that George Lucas had between Star Wars and The Phantom Menace. You know why it’s taken JC to make another movie? It’s because he’s a fiscally irresponsible technocratic idiot. That sound you hear is JC apologists screaming “BUT HIS MOVIES MAKE TONS OF MONEY AND WON OSCARS BLAH BLAH BLAH etc….” Does anyone here remember that Titanic’s release date had to be pushed back three times and the movie was rumored to have cost about 300 million because Cameron kept dicking about? Yeah, it became the biggest hit of all time and won a shitload of Oscars but it could have just as easily bombed and its success only justified Hollywood’s insane spending practices, which is why the average cost of a summer tent pole film these days is 150 to 200 million. But do you know why Cameron has waited so long? He waited until budgets got so high that a studio wouldn’t blink at handing him 300 mill, the reported cost of Avatar. Every time I bring this up his peeps start screaming that they don’t give a shit and that he will “CHANGE CINEMA” with his 3D bullshit to which I say FUCK 3D. It’s a fucking gimmick that the major studios are using to justify charging people more money to see a movie in a theatre. Period. I don’t give a shit about 3D, all I care about is a good story that is well told. I also don’t care about photorealistic CGI because JC was able to make Aliens and The Terminator without it and those are his two best films followed by T2 which only used CGI in the creation of the T-1000. But Cameron’s fucking going on about 3D as the savior of Hollywood against piracy and the know nothing cretins that run the studio’s are falling for his bullshit and responding to the Internet in the exact same way they did to Television when they introduced Cinemascope. In the 1950’s TV started to slaughter the movie industry so what did those geniuses do? They created an aspect ratio that made the screen REALLY WIDE to show off the environments and threw more and more money into epics with gigantic budgets rather then, say, MAKING BETTER MOVIES WITH BETTER FUCKING STORIES. It was in the late 60’s early 70’s that lightweight film equipment allowed a whole new generation of filmmakers to explore the possibilities of cinema which is what gave us the North American golden age of cinema until those very same Directors burnt it all down and pissed on the ashes by creating their own big budgeted disasters such as Heaven’s Gate, 1941 etc… Now we have once again come full circle and the next generation of Director’s will have to use today’s inexpensive digital equipment to make the movies they want as they combat the hubris of Hollywood and Director’s like James Cameron.

  • April 30, 2009, 3:40 a.m. CST


    by blakindigo

    The AMC series showcased films that had massive cultural impact: From "American Graffiti" to "Fatal Attraction," "Shaft," "2001," "Do the Right Thing," etc. I think a better definition of "culturaly significant" is needed to validate Soderberg's perspective.

  • April 30, 2009, 3:40 a.m. CST

    But will it blend?

    by thebearovingian

    Mooncats! Yeah!

  • April 30, 2009, 3:47 a.m. CST

    what happened?

    by hank quinlan

    You know who stopped making Benchmarks? Soderberg.What happened, man? It was all brilliant until after The Limey. The only halfway decent film was Ocean's 11 which is just Out of Sight (a masterpiece of Hollywood cinema) without the soul. Note what Soderberg does now. He has amazing ideas for films. But the story and screenplay almost become afterthoughts. 4 hour che guevara bio pic shot on video. Day and date release using a pornstar. movie based on the NPR story about the guy who blew lid on a corporate price fixing. Black and white film with clooney and Blanchett mixing the third man and casablanca. All cool ideas. If he would just spend time making the script something you want to see like he did in the first half of his career. Seriously, consider what Soderberg's Watchmen would have been like. I hate this 70's nostalgia shit. Great movies that impact culture come out every year.

  • April 30, 2009, 3:48 a.m. CST

    Speilberg's hardly going to be impartial with his mate George

    by KillaKane

    And 'Oh my God!' what a pile of shit 'Phantom Menace' was

  • April 30, 2009, 4:18 a.m. CST

    Mr Gorilla

    by kwisatzhaderach

    Exactly. The Cameron bashers should pop on the commentaries for Solaris and T2 and realise how fucking clever the guy actually is. His commentaries are basically a masterclass in filmmaking. McG, Abrams and Bay are just amateurs next to Cameron.

  • April 30, 2009, 4:20 a.m. CST

    The thing is...

    by kwisatzhaderach

    the standard of summer blockbusters has dropped so low some people are counting Cameron out and thinking he's on the same level as the hacks who have disappointed us again and again over the past 10 years.

  • April 30, 2009, 4:42 a.m. CST

    Effects don't make a movie.

    by cameron1975willi

    The Script is what makes a movie. In this respect, Cameron has done some good wok in the past. I'm sure the CGI test footage Spielberg was shown, for Phantom, was 'Oh my God!', circa 1997. Same with Soderberg being shown Cameron's 'Photo Real' effects recently. When I heard the premise for Avatar, I thought 'Uh-oh, this isn't gonna work'. I predict that it gets the biggest opening weekend ever, despite bad reviews. A bit like The Phantom Menace.

  • April 30, 2009, 4:48 a.m. CST

    Well obviously Titanic isn’t a chick-flick

    by MorganLeafy

    However Rose and Jack’s beautiful love story did not exactly leave me weeping. The man can make nice movies about killer robots and monsters from outer space. But the fact that his next movie will be 3D doesn’t mean the characters will be as well.

  • April 30, 2009, 4:50 a.m. CST


    by kwisatzhaderach

    One things for sure, Cameron's characters will be several notches above Shia LeBeouf and Megan Fox.

  • April 30, 2009, 4:56 a.m. CST

    what the fuck is the creepythinman going on

    by southafricanguy

    about? He makes no sense at all...or is it just me?

  • April 30, 2009, 4:57 a.m. CST


    by southafricanguy


  • April 30, 2009, 5:02 a.m. CST

    Titanic could just have easily flopped?..uh...

    by southafricanguy

    that goes for any fucking movie! If any one could actually predict what will catch on with the moviegoing public then everyone would be able to make movies that successful. Geez...Look, im a huge Cameron fan, bit i will admit Titanic is by far my least favourite of his films. That said, nothing changes the fact that Cameron went against all conventional wisdom and made a hugely expensive movie, about an event that everyone knows how it ends. For months everyone said it was the next waterworld, and that Cameron was crazy..

  • April 30, 2009, 5:07 a.m. CST

    He had to fight tooth and nail with the studio

    by southafricanguy

    to continue production and make the movie the way he wanted. He even started strangling a Fox exec who was complaining non-stop about the cost, and told him to shut the fuck up. And what happened?...well regardless of anyone of our personal tastes, you cant argue with the success of the movie. Cameron did what everyone thought was impossible, he created a modern day Gone with the Wind (which remember if you adjust for inflation is still bigger than star wars). And you cant just dismiss an entire audiance that loved Titanic because their taste is different to yours.

  • April 30, 2009, 5:10 a.m. CST

    that would be like someone from that audiance

    by southafricanguy

    saying that star wars is crap and that it only made so much money because children and nerdy/dorky teenage boys, and childish adults went to see it again and again..

  • April 30, 2009, 5:18 a.m. CST

    And saying that Cameron waited for budgets

    by southafricanguy

    to get bigger to make Avatar? And that he is responsible for big tentpole movie budgets? Please provide a link to prove this theory of yours. Because what is fact is that the scriptment was written in 1995. What is fact is that digital domain did fx tests at the time to see if the movie could be made, the fx test proved it could nt. Cameron was obviously waiting for the tech to catch up. If you read the scriptment and have more than two brain cells, you can see that Avatar could not possibly have been made in 1995. Also fact is the new mo-cap system Cameron developed for several years (also most likely why he has waited so long) that would show actors in real time roughly rendered as thier characters so that its a natural performance as opposed to a performance created by animaters after the fact. Also, there is no proof the budget is 300 mil(it might be, but its not fact). But hey, lets not silly things like logic and reason based on fact get in the way of bizarro conspiracy you got to love the aicn talkbacks...

  • April 30, 2009, 5:30 a.m. CST

    Michael Bay

    by MorganLeafy

    Don’t even get me started about him. Titanic might not have been pure genius, but the lame ass attempts at humor in TF1 actually made me mad. I really can’t believe that somebody would invest tens of millions of dollars and doesn’t even bother to assure a proper script. Even the action was crap!

  • April 30, 2009, 5:55 a.m. CST

    Cannot wait

    by xreticent

    While I don't agree that there haven't been culturally significant films... (I mean heck, Cameron's last entry TITANIC certainly struck a chord - as did last years TDK...) - I will say this is a good sign. I love how quiet AVATAR is flying at the moment - and frankly, wouldn't care a bit if he never even released a trailer. If it's as good as they say, they won't even need to...

  • April 30, 2009, 6 a.m. CST


    by southafricanguy

    Is just how secret and quiet they have managed to keep this movie. Its been such a long time since a big genre movie like this came out of nowhere to suprise people. I like that they are nt making a big stink about it (that would be overexcited fans on internet sites, myself included lol)

  • April 30, 2009, 6:04 a.m. CST

    Just finished reading your post creepythinman

    by Youngdog

    Saying 'it became the biggest hit of all time and won a shitload of Oscars but it could have just as easily bombed' is like saying if my Auntie had a dick she would be my Uncle.<P>Its like a broken pencil - pointless

  • April 30, 2009, 6:05 a.m. CST


    by kwisatzhaderach

    You're speaking a lot of sense there. I'm worried that Cameron and co give the game away at the con now. A trailer like this would do nicely:

  • April 30, 2009, 6:15 a.m. CST

    I've seen Avatar! It was AWESOME!

    by ricarleite2

  • April 30, 2009, 6:34 a.m. CST

    Solaris was 2 hours of my life I'll never get back, but

    by Mr Nicholas

    I'm sure Avatar will be at least hugely spectacular.

  • April 30, 2009, 6:38 a.m. CST

    Posted my review of AVATAR a few weeks ago...

    by BurnHollywood

  • April 30, 2009, 7:02 a.m. CST

    Damn You Michael Bay


    Damn You Michael Bay

  • April 30, 2009, 7:09 a.m. CST

    Avatar is going to suck!

    by Chariowalda_Barbarossa

    The Phantom Menace comparison says it all. Fucking my eyeballs in 2009? Fucking the eyeballs simply isn't enough. A good science fiction movie has to fuck through the eyesocket, push through the bone and ejaculate right into the brain. <p> Does Cameron still have the boner to do so? When has he made his last good movie? 20 years ago? Let's face it, Terminator 2 was a pussy. The non-lethal family friendly muscle buddy nanny bot. The only excuse for liking it back then is that I was a kid.Then another stupid Schwarzenegger movie. And everybody in his right mind hates the movie he made about that ship that sunk after crashing into Celine Dion. James Cameron is so overrated.<p> I think we're in for a nice and shiny stupid hollow movie.

  • April 30, 2009, 7:16 a.m. CST

    KWISAHATZHADERACH...dont think that will

    by southafricanguy

    happen, at most I think they will get a scene and/or a teaser trailer. I think Cameron is all too aware of how overhyped and overexposed these big movies get now. I really think he wants Avatar to be a big suprise like the first Matrix or Jurrassic Park. Remember when you first sa those movies? I had very littel idea what each was about, it made their implacts on me all that uch more powerful as I was suprised and amazed where I was supposed to be...

  • April 30, 2009, 7:17 a.m. CST


    by kwisatzhaderach

    "a nice and shiny stupid hollow movie" - No, that's Wolverine, Star Trek, Terminator Salvation, Land of the Lost, G.I. Joe and Transformers 2.

  • April 30, 2009, 7:17 a.m. CST

    Hollywood people were blown away by Phantom Menace clips too

    by rev_skarekroe

    FX do not a good film make.

  • April 30, 2009, 7:18 a.m. CST

    Oh wait. Beaks mentioned that in the article

    by rev_skarekroe

    Ignore my post. I'm a dip.

  • April 30, 2009, 7:19 a.m. CST

    As opposed to how everything about a movie

    by southafricanguy

    is now revealed months before it comes out. Look at Transformers 2, I feel like ive already seen it based on the trailers wich give many money shots and plot points away, not to mention all the photos and info that eaked months before

  • April 30, 2009, 7:20 a.m. CST

    I'll be like a child on Christmas day...when AVATAR arrives.

    by JDanielP


  • April 30, 2009, 7:23 a.m. CST


    by kwisatzhaderach

    Let's hope so. I'm sure Cameron knows what he's doing marketing-wise (he cut that amazing Abyss trailer himself), the question is whether Fox's desire to make its money back takes over.

  • April 30, 2009, 7:23 a.m. CST


    by kwisatzhaderach

    still no Ridley Scott/Alien thread here but one for Julie and Julia. What gives Harry?

  • April 30, 2009, 7:25 a.m. CST


    by southafricanguy

    has Cameron confused with the directors of the movies you mentioned. If Barbossa just doesnt like Camerons movies, they just arent his thing then cool. Plenty of Directors movies that do nothing for me. But I challenge anyone to explain to me how any of Cameron's movies are hollow or stupid. Cameron is one of the, if not the, smartest action sci-fi filmakers. His scripts have perfect structure, he grounds everything in real science because he understands that the more fantastical the premise/situation the more grounded in reality it must be to make the audiance buy into it.

  • April 30, 2009, 7:30 a.m. CST

    And the second act of all his movies (barring

    by southafricanguy

    Titanic) are all used to deepen the characters, so that come the third act (which is all action ala aliens, T2, True Lies) the audiance actually gives a shit about the characters, and is invested in going along for the ride. Attention to character and clever ideas is one of the things that sets Cameron apart from generic guys like Bay et al. As I said its great if his movies just are nt your thing, but I call bullshit on saying his movies are hollow or stupid. Thats like me saying Micheal Bay's movies are clever and subtle. Im welcome to believe that opinion, but that does nt make it true...

  • April 30, 2009, 7:32 a.m. CST


    by kwisatzhaderach

    Correct about the structure, and Cameron's triple-decker climaxes. I love how T2 stops for about 40 minutes after the escape from the hospital and ruminates on the characters and themes. Then the action picks up again with the assault on Cyberdyne.

  • April 30, 2009, 7:35 a.m. CST


    by kwisatzhaderach

    Spot on about Cameron's characters, Cameron spends time on them so we INVEST in them and their situation; Sarah Connor and Kyle Reece, Ripley and the marines, Bud, Lindsay and the Deepcore come the concluding action sequences the audiences are on the edge of their seats.

  • April 30, 2009, 7:40 a.m. CST

    Star Wars, Blade Runner, Pulp Fiction, LOTR, Shawshank Redemptio

    by silentbobafett2

  • April 30, 2009, 7:41 a.m. CST

    are all modern classics

    by silentbobafett2

  • April 30, 2009, 7:43 a.m. CST

    to name only a few...

    by silentbobafett2

  • April 30, 2009, 7:54 a.m. CST


    by cameron1975willi

    ..when the trailer comes out most people are gonna see it on a tiny computer screen, probably in 'Tardovision (grainy video camera footage from some bozo recording movies in the theatre) and is not gonna be in 3D. How's that not gonna be a disappointment and not start a backlash?

  • April 30, 2009, 7:59 a.m. CST


    by southafricanguy

    screen name from Dune. Great book btw, clearly a big influence on Avatar. You hit on every point I made exactly dude, in fact you put a bit better. Thats whats so awsome about the Avatar scriptment, it follows that classic Cameron how the entire third act is just wall to wall action, and epic action at that..

  • April 30, 2009, 8:02 a.m. CST


    by ReturnoftheCreepyThinMan

    Was going to be the next Gone With The Wind. Instead it destroyed United Artists. See the problem that you guys have is that you are looking at TITANIC in hindsight AFTER it became the biggest hit of all time and cleaned up at the Oscars. Do any of you actually remember the press that movie was getting at the time it was being made? Now I’m not suggesting that Cameron is a bad Director and I would never claim he was but before he did Titanic he was knows for making sci-fi/action films and everyone was holding their breath to see if Titanic would bankrupt 20th Century Fox because every trade publication and source on the web at the time was reporting it’s budget was approximately 300 million although today the studio will only cop to 200 million. Also, let’s please not even try to suggest that the financial success of the movie or its Oscars is any real indication of quality. Indiana Jones and the Kingdom of the Crystal Skull was a complete and utter piece of shit but it still made 750 million dollars worldwide. Cameron is extremely good at shooting action which is what got guys like me into the theatre but lets be honest that the movie was basically “Romeo and Juliet on the Titanic” and the script was functional at best but that didn’t matter to the millions of dumb teenage girls who went to see the movie over and over and THEY are the people who made the movie the hit that it was. These are the same type of stupid girls that made Twilight a success. You see, girls really don’t give a shit about the subject matter, just as long as there is some shallow, superficial love story at the heart of the movie and these moronic bitches will lap it up. They also make Miley Cyrus and Zac Efron movies huge hits as well. For all of it’s Oscars Titanic wasn’t nominated for it’s screenplay and that’s because it was dramatically on par with your average soap opera which is why it only cleaned up in the technical awards except for Best Picture and Director which were given to Cameron only because of the success it had achieved and YES he was the driving force of this movie and I’m happy for him but that doesn’t mean I wouldn’t have preferred L.A. Confidential to win that year since I think it’s a better movie then Titanic. As for my assertion that Cameron has waited for budgets to get high enough to make Avatar feasible, let’s look at his movies and their budgets. Piranha 2 = who knows, The Terminator = 6 million, Aliens = 18 million, The Abyss = 70 million, Terminator 2 = 100 million, True Lies = 140 million, Titanic = 300 million estimated, Avatar = 300 million reported. Cameron is Directly responsible for the insane increase of movie budgets because once he crossed the 100 million dollar mark and then that became the benchmark for what was spent on these types of movies. It’s why you have hacks like Michael Bay spending approx. 200 million on Transformers, McG spending approx. 175 million on Terminator Salvation, Abrams spending 150 million on Star Trek and Snyder blowing 100 million on Watchmen. “BUT BUT BUT CAMERON HAD TO WAIT FOR THE TECH TO GET BETTER BLAH BLAH BLAH” and, what, in the last 12 years he couldn’t have made a few movies with the technology available to the rest of us mere mortals? No, he was waiting for budgets to get this ridiculously high and the reason he hasn’t made another movie until now was that he didn’t want to tarnish his post-Titanic sheen so that he could demand 300 million to pay for the toys he wanted to play with. But this doesn’t concern you fucking idiots who give NO consideration as to how this totally irresponsible spending has an effect on Hollywood or North American cinema. As long as you mouth-breathing-fucking-inbred-shitkicking-retarded-fucksticks are entertained you couldn’t fucking care less that budgets are so fucking high which is why Hollywood is trying to find ways to justify charging us more and more money to see these types of movies and THAT my friends is why they are trumpeting 3D these days. You like the idea of paying 25 dollars to see a movie like Avatar? You’ll get you wish soon enough if Cameron and Hollywood gets their way. Also, something you dumb fucking cunts don’t take into account is the fact that if a studio is spending 300 million on one single movie then it has to cut down on the amount of flicks it produces each year and, not only that, the studio’s then start to get real conservative with what types of movies they are financing which is why we are getting so many fucking remakes, sequels to old movies and re-boots instead of innovative, crazy, original movies like they used to make which they can’t now. Case in point, WATCHMEN, an R-Rated comic book movie that cost 100 million. I liked the movie and I’m glad that it was made but the fact that it cost approx. 150 million and has only made approx 180 million worldwide means that we won’t be getting anything like that again for a while. That movie shouldn’t have cost that amount but because people like Cameron have driven up budgets to the point that you can’t make a movie like that for less then 100 million and Watchmen has no business costing that amount because although it was based on a comic book, the mainstream general public didn’t really give a shit about it and all those stupid teenage girls who made Titanic a hit were no way in Hell going to flood an almost 3 hour long superhero movie with graphic sex and violence. You know, I’m tired of your ignorance and stupidity. So go ahead and beat off about how FUCKING AWESOME Avatar is going to be. I hope that it’s a hit and I hope that you all enjoy it but don’t be bitching about the state of North American cinema today because YOU are the fucking reason that it’s in the shitter.

  • April 30, 2009, 8:02 a.m. CST


    by HorrorFan81

    How the fuck is that cool news? A couple of words based on a little bit of footage? Is that all it takes? Seriously? Okay, then. I have a headline for you," I've seen a couple of minutes of Transformers 2 footage, and it will go down on your dog and rape your mother." Shit, man. Wait for a trailer, or an actual review based on watching the full film. Cause that post was utterly pointless.

  • April 30, 2009, 8:07 a.m. CST


    by southafricanguy

    bUT i really dont care, because its been stated several times by Cameron that the movie will and has to play just as well in 2D. Furhtermore backlashes are useally on the internet, and i think we now all know that what geeks on the internet think (myself included) bears little relation to reality. Look at how most here despise the transformers movie, yet it was a huge hit, and so too will the sequal be. If geeks on the internet want to backlash against it, let them. It wont have an actual effect on the movie's impact on the general movie going audiance.Its only us genre/sci-fi geeks that really know anything about Avatar. For the general movie going public its going to be a complete suprise..

  • April 30, 2009, 8:11 a.m. CST


    by cameron1975willi

    WAIT, YOU'VE READ THE SCRIPT?! How can I get a copy? Thanks.

  • April 30, 2009, 8:13 a.m. CST


    by kwisatzhaderach

    That's right, it's from Dune. My personal favourite science-fiction book. I'm guessing that Sully leading the Navi is in many ways reminiscent of Paul leading the Fremen?

  • April 30, 2009, 8:15 a.m. CST


    by southafricanguy

    you to call anyone a dumb cunt or that we are stupid or ignorant? Wow! you really are an arrogant whiny little bitch. WAAHH! Titanic riuned film!!! What the fuck are you on? And where can I get some? It must be really good shit. Well please allow me to reply...I have no idea why the fuck Cameron took so long to make another movie, and since i dont know the man, how the fuck could I? Unlike you who apparantly knows all this for fact...

  • April 30, 2009, 8:16 a.m. CST


    by cameron1975willi

    Your key-points could've filled maybe three sentences.

  • April 30, 2009, 8:17 a.m. CST

    Cameron wishes he had Soderbergh dramatic instincts but….

    by ReturnoftheCreepyThinMan

    Solaris was Soderbergh in the same pretentious “artsy” Director mode that produced Kafka, The Good German and The Girlfriend Experience rather then his solid, well made mainstream mode which gave us Out of Sight, Traffic and Oceans 11. Soderbergh has a tendency to go up his own ass which is why Solaris turned into a deathly slow, plodding mess when Stanislaw Lem’s original novel should have made a very good movie.

  • April 30, 2009, 8:17 a.m. CST

    i guess he could have made other movies in

    by southafricanguy

    these last couple of years, but we do know Cameron is basically a science nerd at heart, so I guess he spent the last few years making documentaries about things that interested him. I know...the dare he!

  • April 30, 2009, 8:19 a.m. CST

    and we do know he has spent the last few

    by southafricanguy

    years developing new technology with Vince Pace among others. Again..i dare he spend his time developing technology to try and push fx forward...that fucker!

  • April 30, 2009, 8:20 a.m. CST

    I watched the workprint with Harry.


    The shit is lame. All effects, no soul. Then I punched Linda in the face and went to sleep.

  • April 30, 2009, 8:20 a.m. CST


    by cameron1975willi

    Your last post made me laugh :) Have you seriously read the script for Avatar?

  • April 30, 2009, 8:21 a.m. CST


    by Youngdog

    You sound really passionate so I'll resist dismissing you out of hand, read your post and reply.<P>Where you do you think the budgets go? It's not just heaped into a giant stack and torched a la Dark Knight. It pays actors, designers, gaffers, caterers - a whole micro-economy that then spend it themselves. Money doesn't get destroyed - it just moves about. Of course it would be JC who hits the big 100mil mark first. He is a very bankable director with the biggest balls in the business. Someone was going to eventually - I'm glad it was him<P>Increased budgets or nutty directors are not the problem. It is the thick slimy level of middle-management that have crept into EVERY business. These ball-less soul-less yes-men are so obsessed with keeping bad news away from their bosses that they are simply not prepared to take risks. Twats the lot of them<P>Oh, and Watchmen will hoover up on the DVD release. With a directors cut you will see that number double

  • April 30, 2009, 8:22 a.m. CST

    and as for your claom he single handedly

    by southafricanguy

    pushed budgets up...whatever are free to believe whatever you want, however I believe that inflation, lack of tax incentives in certain parts of the world, the high cost of digital fx, and studio greed and stupidity in always trying to follow a successful model may just have something to do with it....just maybe

  • April 30, 2009, 8:24 a.m. CST


    by southafricanguy

    read more carefully my friend..i said the old scriptment. You know what that is right?....

  • April 30, 2009, 8:29 a.m. CST

    and sorry you are so bitter

    by southafricanguy

    that stupid girls did nt like or give a shit about Watchmen, but welcome to a world where people have different tastes. Yes you are right young girls like some really crappy things, but as i stated earlier, someone from that audiance could make the same claim about somehting like star wars. They could say that it was crap and only made money becos young boys went to see it again and again, and young boys will watch anything as long as there are lasers, explosians, and space ships. Why do you think Transformers was so successful? Who went to see that movie so much? And who bought those 10 million dvds of the movie? Thats right...young boys...

  • April 30, 2009, 8:30 a.m. CST

    No, I was unaware of a scriptment or anything else existing

    by cameron1975willi

  • April 30, 2009, 8:30 a.m. CST

    even though it was a really bad movie?

    by southafricanguy

  • April 30, 2009, 8:31 a.m. CST

    Cameron on taking time off:

    by kwisatzhaderach

    "I was divorced with a young daughter", he reflects, when we catch up with Cameron at his Lightstorm offices in Santa Monica. <p> "Filmmaking is a full-tilt boogie you know? I was essentially gone from the lives of family and loved ones for a year or more at a time, and it just seemed like the wrong time to do that." <p> Life had moved very fast for the then 44 year old director and, in a moment of Bueller-esque clarity, he realised that if he didn't stop to look around, he might miss it entirely. <p> "I wanted to indulge my own insatiable curiosity. I thought 'Now is the best time in my life to go off and do all the things I wanted to do as a kid, like to be a scientist or an explorer'".

  • April 30, 2009, 8:33 a.m. CST


    by southafricanguy

    scriptment for Avatar in 1995. A scriptment is a rough script, where things are laid out in broad terms. There is little dialouge, and only a basic story. It mostly gives you the ideas and characters in it. However this scriptment was quite detailed. But it has obviously changed a great deal between then and the shooting script being written about 2 years ago

  • April 30, 2009, 8:33 a.m. CST

    The plus for us as moviegoers

    by kwisatzhaderach

    is that everything Cameron learns and observes from his pursuit outside film is ploughed back into his movies. Unlike McG and Bayhem, who have nothing to offer outside slick camera moves and explosions.

  • April 30, 2009, 8:35 a.m. CST

    in the late 90s this scriptment leaked onto

    by southafricanguy

    the internet, and was widely circulated. For years it was considered one of the great unmade scripts. About 3 years ago the scriptment started dissappearing from websites...i think youcan guess why...

  • April 30, 2009, 8:37 a.m. CST


    by southafricanguy

    viding actual factual evidence! Dont you know that Cameron was just waiting for budgets to shoot up? So that a Watchmen movie would be very expensive, and fail at the b.o? Thus pissing off bitter fanboys?

  • April 30, 2009, 8:40 a.m. CST while obviosly i have not

    by southafricanguy

    read the script, which will be fairly different (also as Cameron wrote the shooting script with a talented writer named Laeta Kalogordis, she also wrote Battle Angel Alita for Cameron). I have a good idea of what Cameron is going for here...

  • April 30, 2009, 8:40 a.m. CST

    Ok, thanks for the heads-up Southafricanguy

    by cameron1975willi

    I just tried a quick search for it and couldn't find it. I think I'll just wait 'til the film comes out and not spoil it for myself.

  • April 30, 2009, 8:41 a.m. CST


    by southafricanguy afraid its me having the laugh at you....

  • April 30, 2009, 8:43 a.m. CST

    Its now very hard to find on the internet as

    by southafricanguy

    Lightstorms lawyers managed to get it removed from almost everywhere, but i have it and can email it to you if you would like. And if you want to understand what Cameron's attempting..

  • April 30, 2009, 8:49 a.m. CST

    What a Joke

    by ThusSpakeSpymunk

    Still waiting for SOMEONE, even one person, to name a successful pure sci-fi flick in the last 20 years. And no, your definition of sci-fi is accurate - but doesn't apply to STAR WARS et al which has as much to do with science speculation as "will it blend?" ads.

  • April 30, 2009, 8:54 a.m. CST

    Thusspake...then are nt we talking about

    by southafricanguy

    science speculation then? What is pure sci-fi then? As you admit the definition of sci-fi is accurate, and said definition is quite broad is nt it? So which exact type of sci-fi are you talking about? because as has been established the matrix, terminator, star wars are sci-fi.

  • April 30, 2009, 8:55 a.m. CST

    "There is no proof Avatar's budget is 300 million"

    by JackRabbitSlim

    Brought to you by the same people who claimed "There is no proof that Forrest Gump made any profit". Please - Cameron burns through money. <p> And whatever happened to the "I never really wanted to make movies - all I ever wanted to do was shoot docos" Jimbo?

  • April 30, 2009, 8:55 a.m. CST


    by ThusSpakeSpymunk

    Did anybody REALLY gasp in even the slightest awe at the planet Naboo or Coruscant? Those shots were the things that Spielberg et al were talking about - and Jar-Jar (don't forget Jar-Jar!). It impressed people who are into the technical details of MAKING movies - which is LESS than 1 percent of the population. The rest of the world? I guarantee you they had no reaction whatsoever to the shots of Naboo and Coruscant - and a resoundingly negative review of Jar-Jar was heard from almost everyone. The point? All that "technology" and the "breakthroughs that are breathtaking" meant NOTHING to the audience - they coughed into their hands watching the Naboo and Coruscant and Jar-Jar CGI nonsense, waited for the story to get "good" ... and waited, and waited, and waited. And not ONE review I can remember reading said the film was saved by CGI and Jar-Jar being epic breakthroughs in technology. Uh-huh. AVATAR is the same thing - impressive to people who know the technical info on how to make a 3D movie ... but when people SEE the footage it's going to be cityscapes and planetscapes that look like WHAT DREAMS MAY COME (which also, for all its supposed beauty, inspired only yawns from audiences who obviously don't care about beauty in the slightest) and that audience is going to say "... that's it? that's what we waited 10 years to see? a cityscape like a shot from HALO?"

  • April 30, 2009, 8:55 a.m. CST

    And what does a successful pure sci-fi movie

    by southafricanguy

    in the last 20 years have to do with Avatar?

  • April 30, 2009, 8:56 a.m. CST

    Ultimately, What People Forget

    by ThusSpakeSpymunk

    ... is that it takes HUMAN effort to create art. And while CGI has given people lots of shortcuts to make TECHNICAL DETAILS, the human lack of endeavor to produce quality film is the true fault. Why do you think epically detailed videogames are only 4 hours of playtime long? Because nobody has yet devised a method for machines to craft a story, and never will, discounting those script-constrction programs Hollywood uses - oh, wait, those are interns.

  • April 30, 2009, 8:57 a.m. CST

    Gattaca wasn't Sci Fi?

    by JackRabbitSlim

    Let me look up its boxoffice stats

  • April 30, 2009, 8:57 a.m. CST

    South -

    by ThusSpakeSpymunk

    All the descriptions of the AVATAR script have played it as being hard sci-fi which = fail in America. All the descriptions have also played it up as a liberal eco-rant which = fail as much as REDACTED, LIONS FOR LAMBS, THE HAPPENING, etc.

  • April 30, 2009, 8:58 a.m. CST must have me confused

    by southafricanguy

    with someone else..when have i ever, in any talkback, claimed forrest gump did nt make money? All i said was that Avatar may have that budget or it may not, but there is no actual proof. If you have said proof please provide the link to where this has been confirmed. And yes Cameron does burn through money.

  • April 30, 2009, 8:58 a.m. CST

    well, landmark movies since The Godfather...

    by cifra

    let's say Part II, to give Steve a break: Apocalypse Now, E.T. The Extraterrestrial, Blade Runner, Blue Velvet, Do the Right Thing, Pulp Fiction, Schindler's List, Silence of the Lambs, J.F.K.... there are only some, and only coming from US cinema. Let's not talk about the "foreign" movies, I don't want to have good 'ol Steve embarrass himself.

  • April 30, 2009, 9:02 a.m. CST

    Yup - it flopped - too bad

    by JackRabbitSlim

    And if you think Titanic isn't a chick-flick - check yourself (ooh how 1997)

  • April 30, 2009, 9:06 a.m. CST

    a big bag...

    by Dead_Geek

    ...of SUCK! Don't believe the hype.

  • April 30, 2009, 9:07 a.m. CST

    *yawn* show me something. Then I might be interested

    by Geomancer21

  • April 30, 2009, 9:07 a.m. CST

    You miss the point...

    by JackRabbitSlim

    It is a notorious reality that Hollywood plays fast and loose with budgetary and profit numbers made most apparent by the ridiculously convoluted and well-publicized courtcase between Winston Groom and Paramount. The allusion was an attempt to illustrate the reality through humor. Remove stick from ass.

  • April 30, 2009, 9:10 a.m. CST

    Yeah but...

    by RogueWarrior65

    Filmmakers always crow about other filmmakers' work. And then there's this: if you watch the behind-the-scenes footage of SW:AOTC, you'll occasionally see the visual effects supervisor with a look on his face that says "How am I going to save this piece of shit?" That having been said, Cameron has a pretty damn good track record with Terminator (1 and 2), The Abyss, Titanic (for the effects and Kate Winslet's lovely nakedness, and of course Aliens so I have high hopes.

  • April 30, 2009, 9:11 a.m. CST

    3D...Ocular copulation...Motion Capture...

    by conspiracy

    Fuck all that; I just hope the motherfucker makes a good movie with a well written script.

  • April 30, 2009, 9:17 a.m. CST

    Thusspake....have you read the old scriptment

    by southafricanguy

    ? or are you just basing your opinion on the short description?

  • April 30, 2009, 9:19 a.m. CST

    Exactly ThusSpakeSpymunk, people don't care about the tech.....

    by ReturnoftheCreepyThinMan

    You know why The Dark Knight was a worldwide smash hit? It’s because Nolan concentrated on the story and characters which is what made it so satisfying. He used the tools at his disposal and didn’t try to lure people into seeing it by going on about how fancy the effects were. I’m not one of those dickheads that rail against CGI because I think it’s an incredible tool for Directors but all we’ve heard about Avatar is just how FUCKING AWESOME the effects are. Well, I’d like to hear about the script but Cameron isn’t a strong dramatic writer which is why they are focusing on the effects and that gives me a bad feeling. I don’t think this will be ready by the end of this year because Cameron will fuck around until 2010.

  • April 30, 2009, 9:25 a.m. CST

    because i think you may be basing your

    by southafricanguy

    opinion partly on lack of knowledge. If you had read the old scriptment then you would know that Avatar is not really "pure sci-fi" Once they get to the alien planet its fairly fantasy sci-fi, very anime actualy. It reads like a modern updating of john Carter of Mars, which Cameron has stated was his intention. Its basically an action adventure story that ground itself in a fiar amount of hard science....but theres plenty of action sci-f stuff like mech armour and bizarre alien creatures...

  • April 30, 2009, 9:26 a.m. CST


    by enderandrew

    You claim that TPM had no technological advances. Never mind it was the largest use of CGI ever at that point, but the two HUGE advances were full CGI actors, and the invention of THX 7.1 sound. Jar Jar looks stupid, but Watto is actually visually quite impressive for the time. And as bad as that film was, the pod race sequence (especially the sound mix on that sequences) was technically very impressive.

  • April 30, 2009, 9:28 a.m. CST

    but this is why its so damn difficult to have

    by southafricanguy

    a reasonable discussion with most on these talkbacka about Avatar becos so many of you that have these really strong opinions have nt read the old scritment, so moch of what you say often makes no sense...

  • April 30, 2009, 9:29 a.m. CST

    Hendrick's and cucumber...

    by HoboCode

    fucking your tastebuds in 2009.

  • April 30, 2009, 9:30 a.m. CST

    "Cameron has *never* made a movie that bombed "

    by wookie1972

  • April 30, 2009, 9:31 a.m. CST

    Cameron has *never* made a movie that bombed

    by wookie1972

    ... except for the Abyss. Er, and Strange Days (he wrote it). And Solaris (although IMHO that was unjustified.) I'll tell you right now, Ebert will hate it, because it's 3D.

  • April 30, 2009, 9:39 a.m. CST

    Phantom Menace footage was "OHMYGOD" Stuff

    by The Chosen

    30 years of empty space and what you first see is Darth Maul fighting. Midi-Chlorians were not existant. Who wouldn't say OHMYGOD?

  • April 30, 2009, 9:40 a.m. CST


    by ReturnoftheCreepyThinMan

    The Fucking Phantom Menace and its fucking CGI overkill any day of the fucking week.

  • April 30, 2009, 9:44 a.m. CST


    by LaserPants

    Cameron is the King of Diminishing Returns.

  • April 30, 2009, 9:45 a.m. CST

    Cameron Will Kick Our Asses!!

    by BilboRing

    He's a great director....other than Pirannah 2: The Spawning. But that had its moments. LOL LOL LOL LOL LOL LOL LOL FUCK!!!!

  • April 30, 2009, 10 a.m. CST

    Pirannah 2: The Spawning >>>>>>> T2: WAAAAAAH!

    by LaserPants

    Search your OOOOOOOZEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE NEIN MILLUHMEETUH, you know it to be true...

  • April 30, 2009, 10:04 a.m. CST


    by ReturnoftheCreepyThinMan

  • April 30, 2009, 10:05 a.m. CST

    yeah...except Cameron never directed pirahna

    by southafricanguy

    2, but hey whatever....And the Abyss never bombed, please make factual statements based on actual facts. Go find it on the on a b.o site...

  • April 30, 2009, 10:08 a.m. CST

    ok laserpants we all know you hate Cameron

    by southafricanguy

    intensly, ok? That you have some deep seated personal issues with him. We all got it. You appear on every Cameron related talkback to tell everyone that. Duly noted, ok?

  • April 30, 2009, 10:08 a.m. CST


    by blakindigo

    That rant was insanely misguided. Your opinion is your own, but let's quote numbers with a basis in reality. Titanic didn't cost $300 million. Terminator 2 was closer to $90 million. The Abyss went over its $37 million budget to about $41 million. To say that Cameron is partly responsible for the high cost of movies is like saying the financial scandal was precipitated by students defaulting on student loans because they drive up interest rates. No, the people responsible for movie budgets are the people who greenlight them. The film is an investment that yields returns using complicated distribution formulas and exploiting many markets. Cameron isn't a financial officer, he's the ARTIST!

  • April 30, 2009, 10:09 a.m. CST

    What Does Cameron's Cock Taste Like, SouthAfricanGuy?

    by LaserPants

    I'm just curious seeing as how its been jammed down your throat for so long.<br><br> Oh, and btw, he DID direct Pirannah 2:<br><br>Aaaaand PWNED.

  • April 30, 2009, 10:12 a.m. CST


    by most excellent ninja

    Uhh what? People still laud the high way chase scene from reloaded. It's the best car chase sequence ever filmed. Regardless of the rest of the movie.

  • April 30, 2009, 10:12 a.m. CST


    by blakindigo

    The Abyss didn't bomb, it just wasn't a hit—but it did quite well on video in 1989–90 and made money internationally. It was profitable on re–release in 1993.

  • April 30, 2009, 10:12 a.m. CST


    by enderandrew

    According to Box Office Mojo, The Abyss made 9 mil opening weekend, 54 mil domestic, and 90 mil worldwide. Given how expensive it was to film underwater, I can see how it didn't make money on the initial US release, but it may have turned a profit eventually.

  • April 30, 2009, 10:12 a.m. CST

    Actual Facts, South African Guy?

    by LaserPants

    Did you enjoy reading them? About how your boyfriend James directed Pirannha 2? HAHAHAHAH! PWNED!

  • April 30, 2009, 10:13 a.m. CST

    most excellent ninja

    by enderandrew

    Exactly. That freeway sequence was insane.

  • April 30, 2009, 10:13 a.m. CST

    and you are welcome to your opinion, but

    by southafricanguy

    dont display your ignorance for all to see. The old scriptment was on the net for fucking years. Its no suprise that in all this time someone was going to copy some of its ideas. And really go get your facts straight about piranha 2 and its production history. Geeez, i know you are desperate to throw shit at Cameron, but please come up with something that isnt just your completely subjective prejudiced opinion...

  • April 30, 2009, 10:13 a.m. CST

    No Reply? South African Guy! You Disappoint Me

    by LaserPants


  • April 30, 2009, 10:16 a.m. CST

    Oh, So Even Though Cameron Is Credited With Directing P2...

    by LaserPants

    He actually didn't? NOW who is living in a fantasy land.<br><br> James "Diminishing Returns" Cameron stole the idea from Avatar from Battle For Terra. Period. You know it and I know it.

  • April 30, 2009, 10:17 a.m. CST laserpants you are seriously stupid

    by southafricanguy

    you really dont know the production history of Pirahna 2? Wow you are george bush stupid. Any idiot knows he's listed as the director you dumb fuckwit, but again....slowly for the mentally challenged...he did nt direct it. Do a little more work than an imdb listing you childish, obnoxious, Danny wannabe..

  • April 30, 2009, 10:19 a.m. CST

    ha ha ha...please keep going laserpants you

    by southafricanguy

    are too funny lol..Cameron ript off a movie made now, with a scriptment written in 1995? lol did he use his time machine....

  • April 30, 2009, 10:20 a.m. CST

    Um, LaserPants

    by blakindigo

    Cameron was fired from Piranha 2, he only lasted for 2 weeks of filming. Then, snuck into the editing room and tried to recut the movie, but some of his edits were discovered and changed back. Not really fair to call that his movie, but it's his name on the credits.

  • April 30, 2009, 10:25 a.m. CST

    yeah he's credited, but i guess you dont

    by southafricanguy

    are nt smart enough to understand, or you are a 10 year old child. he was supposed to make it, but when he got to italy to make it the italians would nt let him (they just wanted the money) while Cameron had to just sit in his hotel. Some italian director made it and it was a mess. When he got back to us Cameron told Corman he would do some reshoots and edits to make the film releasable. In return he wanted his name attached as director so he could call himself a director to shop himself around Hollywood...But I guess thats too difficult for you to grasp...

  • April 30, 2009, 10:29 a.m. CST

    and no laserpants i dont know it, and whats

    by southafricanguy

    extremely clear is how little you know about anything..ha ha ha really are clueless...God i love aicn talkbacks...only here can you be attacked by complete idiots that dont know what the fuck they are talking about...

  • April 30, 2009, 10:34 a.m. CST

    and yet still have these really hardcore

    by southafricanguy

    passionate, man too funny. Its really like arguing with kindergarten children sometimes...

  • April 30, 2009, 10:36 a.m. CST


    by Joely_Boy

    You're a knucklehead if you think 12 Monkeys was a flop.

  • April 30, 2009, 10:36 a.m. CST

    next laserpants is going to tell me Cameron

    by southafricanguy

    ripped off McG and The wachowskis ideas for terminator...useing the same time machine he used to steal ideas from battle for terra so he could go back to 1995 and write the Avatar scriptment with said stolen ideas i guess....

  • April 30, 2009, 10:37 a.m. CST

    reason, logic, and plain ol common sense (as

    by southafricanguy

    well as actual fact that anyone can verify) really are laserpants enemies...

  • April 30, 2009, 10:38 a.m. CST

    Don't worry about LaserPants southafricanguy

    by kwisatzhaderach

    He thinks T3 is better than T2. <p> Yes, I know.

  • April 30, 2009, 10:39 a.m. CST

    not "logrolling", but still Hollywood

    by Rupee88

    He lost Cameron a bunch of money with Solaris (a fine film btw), so of course he is going to talk up Avatar.

  • April 30, 2009, 10:39 a.m. CST

    anyway ive got to go...bye all thanks for the

    by southafricanguy

    great discussion/debates. And thanks laserpants for making me laugh at how big an ignorant imbecile you should have your own comedy show, seriously...

  • April 30, 2009, 10:40 a.m. CST

    Cameron's best work

    by enderandrew

    Was when he directed Toxic Avenger.

  • April 30, 2009, 10:42 a.m. CST

    And seeing the Jedi knights...

    by Joely_Boy action for the first time WAS a landmark moment in cinema. Eat cum.

  • April 30, 2009, 10:43 a.m. CST

    12 Monkeys a flop?!!

    by blakindigo

    What the fu—? 12 Monkeys was a box office hit. Also, critically acclaimed and on a number of top ten lists. ThusAteMySpunk are you serious?

  • April 30, 2009, 10:43 a.m. CST

    T3 IS Better Than T2: WAAAAAAAAAAH!

    by LaserPants

    But thats not saying much. Nearly EVERY movie ever made is better than T2. But since most of you haven't seen many films, you think its a work of genius. Have fun watching McG PWN James "Micahel Bay" Cameron this summer! ALso, enjoy watching Pirannah 2! Buh bye dipshits!

  • April 30, 2009, 10:49 a.m. CST

    southafricanguy is right about Cameron and Piranha 2....

    by ReturnoftheCreepyThinMan

    Cameron was hired by Producer Ovidio G. Assonitis based on his effects work on Battle Beyond the Stars and the fact that Assonitis could only get financing by hiring an American Director. Two weeks into shooing Cameron was kicked off the set and Assonitis took over which was his plan all along because he really wanted to Direct. Later Cameron snuck into the editing room and re-cut the footage but he got caught and the movie was re-cut according to what Assonitis wanted. I remember reading all of this from old issues of Fangoria back in the early 90’s. Despite all of this southafricanguy is still a stupid cunt who has a pillow with Cameron's face on it that he mouth fuck every night.

  • April 30, 2009, 11:01 a.m. CST

    Laserpants=Ringwearer=Jeff Albertson

    by DoctorWho?

    Interchangeable punks.

  • April 30, 2009, 11:02 a.m. CST


    by kwisatzhaderach

    "Nearly EVERY movie ever made is better than T2" - You just lost any credibility you had left (which wasn't much).

  • April 30, 2009, 11:16 a.m. CST

    Camron == HACK!

    by JoePecis Shinebox

    Yeah T2 really sucks. SW:A new Hope was GARBAGE!! Oh and that flick with Orson-what's-his-name when he says "rosebud" at the end blows all the penises. Yeah I hate good movies.

  • April 30, 2009, 11:24 a.m. CST

    Soderbergh sure as hell aint creating anything worthwhile.

    by knowthyself

    Most over rated director in years. JJ Abrams is next in line for that award.

  • April 30, 2009, 11:24 a.m. CST

    Soderbergh just saw Avatar...

    by Jared Syn

    ...and it was awesome!

  • April 30, 2009, 11:26 a.m. CST

    Sorry LazerPants but I disagree with you about T2…

    by ReturnoftheCreepyThinMan

    I saw T2 back in 1991 when I was 13 years old and it blew my fucking mind. Sure, in comparison to the first movie it isn’t as raw and the script wasn’t as strong but it’s full of massive win for its incredible action and effects which were groundbreaking at the time. But that was 18 years ago and Cameron’s only credits since then have been about a domesticated James Bond and a poor mans version of A Night To Remember. Cameron was once able to make fantastic sci-fi action films but those days are over and until we start getting some reviews I won’t be swinging from JC’s cock with my mouth like southafricanguy.

  • April 30, 2009, 11:28 a.m. CST

    what movies do i like?

    by JoePecis Shinebox

    thanks for asking! anything with Steven Segal, JCVD and or Dolph Lundgren, and of course Micheal Dudikoff! I would put ol’ Sly Stallone on my list but now that he is popular again in the eyes of movie fans I, by default, hate his guts. To stay on topic T2 awesome movie that holds up even today. T3 decent flick with self adjusting boobs.

  • April 30, 2009, 11:31 a.m. CST the stupid cunt? im not

    by southafricanguy

    the one insulting people because im bitter over what happened with Watchmen. You are the ne that called everyone here stupid cunts because they did nt agree with your budget theory

  • April 30, 2009, 11:32 a.m. CST

    Soderbergh's masterpiece

    by Abominable Snowcone

    9012Live: Yes in Concert

  • April 30, 2009, 11:35 a.m. CST really are nt all that different from

    by southafricanguy

    laserpants, also ignorant. You just assume my anticipation for Avatar is based on nothing but fanboyitis. Sorry to dissapoint you, its based on having actually read the old scriptment and getting a good idea of what Cameron's attempting. Since you like T2 and Aliens (and Cameron's early sci-fi so much) you will be happy to know that Avatar reads a lot like a more epic version of Aliens.....

  • April 30, 2009, 11:43 a.m. CST

    it'd be pretty funny if this movie ended up sucking

    by palooka_boy

    But I hope it's awesome.

  • April 30, 2009, 11:47 a.m. CST

    Do you honestly think Soderbergh is going to critique Cameron?

    by Glory_Fades_ImMaxFischer

    Just like Spielberg won't critique Bayformers or Star Wars..jesus christ AICN..OF COURSE HE'S GOING TO SAY ITS AMAZING.

  • April 30, 2009, 11:48 a.m. CST

    Soderbergh & Avatar = Harry & every movie

    by Glory_Fades_ImMaxFischer


  • April 30, 2009, 11:49 a.m. CST

    Remember when John Huston said "Sweet Jesus Pie!" after viewing.

    by EastBayFrankenstein

    ..."Captain Eo"? Dude, seriously. It might have been the morphine-enhanced demetia talkin', but I think he really WAY ahead of us all!

  • April 30, 2009, 11:51 a.m. CST

    I mean "demeNtia"

    by EastBayFrankenstein

    "Demetia" is this hot Sudanese chick that gave me a vicious HJ in 8th grade.

  • April 30, 2009, 11:53 a.m. CST

    "I won’t be swinging from JC’s cock with my mouth "

    by DoctorWho?

    That made me laugh...<p> But I do disagree. True Lies has better paced action than much of what I see today. I remember watching the opening scenes and thinking James Bond should only be this cool.<p> And say what you will about Titanic...well crafted entertaining film and you even knew how it was going to end. Cameron went into LOTR level painstaking detail with that film. I can't bag on such a good film because 14 yr girls like it and it's a little soft in the dialogue in parts. The good far outweighs the not so good.<p> JC is an obssesive, demanding perfectionist. My money is on AVATAR delivering the goods.

  • April 30, 2009, 11:55 a.m. CST

    Re: Hallmitchell

    by livingwater

    "Weta to visit ILM to investigate how to make Lord of the Rings" : LOTR VFX production was already well under way before that visit. Thank John Shiels, Charlie Mcklellan and the otiginal team for doing such an amazing job.

  • April 30, 2009, 11:58 a.m. CST

    I'm with you southafricanguy

    by DoctorWho?

    If that means having to to throw my 'pillow with Cameron's face on it that I mouth fuck' in the laundry every night, then so be it.

  • April 30, 2009, 12:04 p.m. CST

    We will have holy shit fuckin our eye balls

    by Diagnostic

    Not pleasant, not pleasant at all.

  • April 30, 2009, 12:08 p.m. CST

    A wormhole is going to form...

    by Arteska

    ...due to the unprecedented concentration of supremely stupid and ignorant comments in this thread. This is officially the dumbest page on the internet right now.

  • April 30, 2009, 12:10 p.m. CST

    Arteska: This payj iznd dumm....

    by EastBayFrankenstein

    ...uer juz a poo-poo hed!

  • April 30, 2009, 12:18 p.m. CST

    ReturnoftheCreepyThinMan what the fuck?

    by most excellent ninja

    Maybe American produced Cinema is ruined because you only go to blockbusters, but this decade produced great cinema not seen since the 70's so seriously, this budget stuff is ridiculous. Transformers looked like it cost 300 mil but was about 140 mil, Transformers 2 is about 170 mil, but this is how much the shit costs. You think budget has that much to do with publicity, the shit they have in it is expensive.

  • April 30, 2009, 12:21 p.m. CST

    Matrix Reloaded

    by Kaitain

    "People still laud the high way chase scene from reloaded. It's the best car chase sequence ever filmed." <p> No it isn't. It's boring as fuck, for two key reasons: we don't care about the characters by that point, and we don't really know what the fuck is going on. Reloaded is a total fucking mess. The usual suspects are still at the top: Mad Max 2, Bullitt and The Bourne Supremacy.

  • April 30, 2009, 12:24 p.m. CST

    lol dr who...thanks. agree with you about true

    by southafricanguy

    lies, awsome "Bond" movie. see unlike you my thought on Avatar are based on what i know fir a fact, such as the old scriptment, the concept artists working on it (wayne barlow, jordu schell amazing artists, you guys should check their sites out) the fact that Laeta Kalogordis wrote the final script with Cameron (she has written scripts for Scorcese) the fact that Stan (R.I.P) Winston has worked on it. The fact that its the only mega budget original idea we re getting this year and that its not an adaptation/remake/reboot/prequal etc...Thats where my interest/enthusiasm comes from, not wanting to swing from Cameron's cock...

  • April 30, 2009, 12:29 p.m. CST

    The only stupid cunt on this board is

    by southafricanguy

    laserpants who managed to display rather supurbly his stupidity...and good for you Thnman, you should wait fir reviews etc...and keep your expectations in check. I have said before that I hate the whole "eyeball fucking" thing. It just blows everything out of proportion and annoys people. I too like to read reviews from many different sources before i deciede if i will go watch a movie, even if its something that interests me...

  • April 30, 2009, 12:30 p.m. CST

    southafricanguy, why I'm dissapointed with Watchmen....

    by ReturnoftheCreepyThinMan

    I thought is was as good a version of that comic books as we were ever going to get and at the end of the day it has recouped its production budget and the DVD sales will put it in the black. I just wish that it didn’t have to cost 150 million to make unlike morons like you that don’t give any consideration to the actual movie industry. As long as you’re entertained that’s all that matters and YOU are what’s wrong with the cinema going public of today. If Watchmen had cost half of that then it would be considered a hit and Hollywood might start green lighting more riskier properties. You see, I’m not a fanboy tourist like you. I’ve spent most of my 31 years on this planet obsessing over movies and reading everything related to them. Everything I’ve said about Cameron, his escalating budgets and their effect on Hollywood is based on what I read in every single book, magazine and website over the years. I’m not just parroting someone else’s opinion. My thoughts on this subject are based on multiple sources of information that I have absorbed over the years. Based on all of this I can’t support James Cameron and his insane abandonment of fiscal responsibility all for the sake of pushing technology that will only be available to whoever has the biggest box office hits of the moment and can only be applied to sci-fi action extravaganza’s. I don’t want to fucking hear how fucking realistic Cameron’s blue cat people will look on screen or how fucking awesome 3D is. What I want to know is how all of this will help to generate this generations Godfather’s, Chinatowns and Taxi Drivers? But then movies like that can’t be made today because Cameron and his ilk keep driving up budgets to such an extent that Hollywood only wants to remake, reboot and sequalize everything because they are afraid of spending 100 million on original concepts, ideas and only keep repeating the same shit over and over. Did you happen to notice that the three movies I mentioned have long been heralded as all time classics, made without the benefit of FUCKING AWESOME 3D or photorealistic CGI but then that’s because despite Cameron’s skill at manufacturing sci-fi action movies, he is completely out of his depth when it comes to crafting raw, powerful dramas. Spending 300 million on CGI doesn’t impress me as much as Paddy Chayefsky’s script for Network and Cameron has never, nor will he ever produce anything as incredible as that motion picture. Good day to you Sir.

  • April 30, 2009, 12:31 p.m. CST


    by JoePecis Shinebox

    Don't forget any of the John Frankenheimer chase scenes. The French Connection or Ronin, the man knew his cars and how to shoot them.

  • April 30, 2009, 12:32 p.m. CST


    by southafricanguy

    record i agre about KWIS, he is one of the smartest guys here. As to your questions I am truly South African, but im living in South Korea at the moment. im afraid i have no opinion on Charlie Jade because i do notknow what it is..

  • April 30, 2009, 12:34 p.m. CST


    by TurdontheRun

    You're really into your conspiracy theories, huh? You've posted several eye-wateringly long screeds before. Cameron's budgets are nothing to do with the state of the industry. Take a chill pill, you paranoid loon. Who gives a fuck? The world is going to end in 2012 anyway.

  • April 30, 2009, 12:36 p.m. CST

    is it a south african show? im afriad ive been

    by southafricanguy

    out of south africa for some time now, so im very out of touch with SA tv...

  • April 30, 2009, 12:40 p.m. CST

    ok creepythinman i get a lot of what you are

    by southafricanguy

    saying, but we will just have to agree to disagree. I have a sense of where you are coming from, but i think you are a little stuck n the past, and you obviously prefer a different type of filmaking..nothing wrong with that, but im not a moron just becos i like big budget sci-fi movies (as long as they are good, and not stuff like transformers), and to push what can be done with sci-fi you need big budgets...

  • April 30, 2009, 12:41 p.m. CST

    Laserpants knows very little...

    by TurdontheRun

    Either that, or he's just prodding the angry bears. I expect the latter. No one could be that stupid...well, could they?<p>Apparently he thinks T2 is badly edited, as well. Robodaddy is one thing, but to claim that film isn't edited to fucking perfection shows he knows nothing about film aesthetics...that's if he's entirely serious. As for Battle of Terra - a cheap cash-in of Avatar, much the same way as the godawful Leviathan and Deep Star Six tried to beat The Abyss to the punch in the summer of 89. The Avatar scriptment has been freely online for over a decade. Anyone could have been free to plagiarise it.<p>Avatar is going to hit hard. Deal with it, you self-loathing fucksticks, because otherwise 2009 and 10 are going to be very miserable for you. Hail to the King!!

  • April 30, 2009, 12:43 p.m. CST

    Nope, the Abyss was a bomb

    by wookie1972

    Not a big bomb, but it definitely underperformed. It made back its production budget, but I refuse to believe that it made back both that *and* advertising. Hell, even Parenthood and Uncle Buck made more money that same year. Plus, if Howard the Duck counts against Lucas, then Strange Days and Solaris (not to mention that big TV hit Dark Angel) count against Cameron. Face it, the man's human.

  • April 30, 2009, 12:43 p.m. CST

    and you know thinman im an optimist, and i

    by southafricanguy

    still really like movies and i always go into a movie at least wanting to like it. You sound very jaded and cynical about movies today, but for e life is too short, I want the kookiest directors to do their damndest to blow me away...and if they have to spend insane amounts of greedy studios money to do so then so be it..

  • April 30, 2009, 12:44 p.m. CST

    "and Deep Star Six tried to beat The Abyss to the punch in the s

    by wookie1972

  • April 30, 2009, 12:45 p.m. CST

    List of directors who have been wowed by Avatar

    by TurdontheRun

    Spielberg, Scott, Soderbergh, Jackson, Del Toro, Fincher, Rodriguez, Zemeckis, Henry Selick, Danny Boyle...there are others. basically any one of importance. Also, Time Magazine and the New York Times have seen footage and have been blown away. Avatar will change the world. Prepare yourselves...and bring fresh underpants!

  • April 30, 2009, 12:47 p.m. CST

    Wookie..agree with you dude of course he's

    by southafricanguy

    human, but really lets not compare a good movie lke strange days (which was a bomb) to howard the duck (possibly on eof the worst movies ever made.) You are righ that the Abyss underperformed, but it did make its money back internationally. So it cant really be called a bomb. thats a bomb...

  • April 30, 2009, 12:50 p.m. CST

    turdontherun....dude hows it going? im afriad

    by southafricanguy

    that laserpants realy is that stupid, it was super fun though..really like having an argument with a

  • April 30, 2009, 12:52 p.m. CST

    and Deep Star Six tried to beat The Abyss to the punch

    by wookie1972

    Yeah. Just like Deep Impact beat out Armageddon... oh wait. This will not do Titanic business, for one obvious reason. Titanic's monster success had less to do with FX and much more to do with teenage girls.

  • April 30, 2009, 12:56 p.m. CST

    lol asimov...yeah Sa tv shows have a habit

    by southafricanguy

    of casting really bad actors in ead parts. I dont watch muchSA tv anyway,its useally not good at all. Yikes! i can only imagine what a SA sci-fi show was like lol.

  • April 30, 2009, 12:57 p.m. CST

    laserpants: he can't be bargained with..

    by TurdontheRun

    he can't be reasoned with...<p>he absolutely will not stop...<p>ever!<p>until you die laughing.<p>Southafricanguy, I fing it hilarious that he was criticizing those of us who have actually read the scriptment (and thus know what we're talking about and have good reason to be excited) as blind ass-lickers. When, in fact, he was the one who knew absolutely nothing about the film (he seemed to think it was some matrix/ tron rip-off, ie. avatar in the computer sense), and made no attempt whatsoever to do any research. He's a performing monkey as far as I'm concerned.

  • April 30, 2009, 12:57 p.m. CST

    and yeah armegeddon is truly the

    by southafricanguy

    way asimov where are you from?

  • April 30, 2009, 12:58 p.m. CST


    by wookie1972

    "making its money back internationally" is pretty much meaningless, when you consider that the movies that did well domestically can also say that. Its official tally is $90 million, which is less than Parenthood (a hit from the same period) made domestically. It was a major disapopintment.

  • April 30, 2009, 12:59 p.m. CST


    by fain88

    Held my breath, but I cannae do it no more!<br> <br> CreepyThinGuy, first off, typing < br > (without the spaces in-between) make paragraph breaks; not trying to bash on ya', dude (I didn't know when I first got on here), but the walls of text are pains to the brain and will undoubtedly mean no one will read all (if any) of what you're writing.<br> <br> And I just can't get my head you're saying, if someone comes in to a producer and has an interesting, original idea that will cost a minimal amount to make (by today's standards, let's say 20 mil) would be passed over for a pitch for a rehash-remake that costs ten times that? Because...higher budget movies sell better? That just doesn't make any finacial, fiscal sense. How many high-budget movies have flopped? And how much more of a punch in the junk is that than if a smaller film flops?<br> <br> And regardless, the reason film-makers can get such high because they've made loads of money. Example: James Cameron. He hasn't done a whole hell of a lot of movies, but he can conceivably ask for more money...because T2 and Titanic were such major successes. Yeah, T2 might have flopped...and then he wouldn't have had so much money FOR Titanic. And that might have flopped...and then he wouldn't be in a position to make Avatar. If 'ifs' and 'buts' were 'horses' and 'cunts' we'd all be fucking equines. But his movies made money, so he can ask for that large a budget. And he'll most likely get it, because he's shown he knows how to make a movie. Bah. I'm just rambling.<br> <br> I'm looking forward to Avatar. Sounds interesting, and I'll at least give it a shot (or see some footage at the VERY least) before I start shooting it we should with all film.<br> <br> southafricanguy, kwisatzhaderach and DoctorWho? = Fucking Professionals.

  • April 30, 2009, 1 p.m. CST


    by southafricanguy

    summed it up pretty well. Your terminator analogy was pretty funny. But whats even more funny was his inability to understand that Cameron didnt direct piranha 2 even though his name is attached to it...i thought his head would explode lol

  • April 30, 2009, 1:02 p.m. CST

    The Abyss and Strange Days...

    by TurdontheRun

    may have under-performed, but they are both excellent films. I think The Abyss would have done much better if Cameron had at least left the wave scene in if nothing else...many people loved the film up until the deux et machina ending (not really, since the aliens are involved throughout, but casual viewers probably missed that). <p>Strange Days...I am baffled why it bombed. Not marketed correctly...or just too bleak. If Cameron's name had been on it as director(or the director of T2 and Aliens to Joe Public) it may have done better.

  • April 30, 2009, 1:02 p.m. CST

    "And that says a lot right there"

    by wookie1972

    I suppose. All it says to me is that it's better than Terminator, True Lies, Titanic and Aliens. Which doesn't impress me much.

  • April 30, 2009, 1:02 p.m. CST

    but even funnier still is that he had no idea what

    by southafricanguy

    i was talking about even when it was explained to him. He is pure comedy man...

  • April 30, 2009, 1:04 p.m. CST


    by wookie1972

    Maybe so. I certainly liked Solaris quite a bit. But the point remains that it's plain wrong to say that Cameron has "never had a bomb", which is what the OP claimed.

  • April 30, 2009, 1:05 p.m. CST


    by southafricanguy

    professional. Truly the highest compliment one can get here at aicn

  • April 30, 2009, 1:08 p.m. CST

    Anyway guys who gives afuck right? As you

    by southafricanguy

    pointed out no director is infallible, shit een spielberg has been involved with huge bombs...Its all about the quality of the movies at the end of the day.right? And for my money Strange Days is a sriously underrated gem..and the Abyss for that matter imho..

  • April 30, 2009, 1:10 p.m. CST

    Anyway guys..its been fun but i need to get

    by southafricanguy

    some sleep. Thanks for the fun discussions/debates/arguments....speak to youguys again...

  • April 30, 2009, 1:11 p.m. CST

    oh and...turdontherun, asimov, wookie=fcking

    by southafricanguy


  • April 30, 2009, 1:16 p.m. CST


    by kwisatzhaderach

    Thanks man, I appreciate it. I try and respond reasonably on here but man, it is hard sometimes! <p> And you're dead on the money about The Abyss, my personal fave Cameron flick.

  • April 30, 2009, 1:18 p.m. CST


    by kwisatzhaderach

    Always a pleasure. Later.

  • April 30, 2009, 1:24 p.m. CST

    TurdontheRun, it's not a conpiracy theory....

    by ReturnoftheCreepyThinMan

    Cameron spends 100 million on T2. At that point every other Director with a few hits under there belt used that as a precedent for what they can spend on their movies. The next thing you know every summer flick costs 100 million. Do you remember Waterworld? It was originally budgeted at around 75 million but the production was a disaster and the movie ended up costing 175 million back in 1995! The movies budget sailed past 100 million but the studio didn’t panic because, hey, James Cameron made T2 for 100 million and Waterworld was being made by Kevin Costner and Kevin Reynolds who had made Robin Hood which was a gigantic hit. But once things started to fuck up the studio had to finish the fucking thing because they couldn’t justify scrapping a movie that cost over 100 mill. Despite what you may think, this type of financial irresponsibility ripples throughout Hollywood. Because Cameron is spending 100 mill on T2 it makes spending 40 million on a romantic comedy not look like complete insanity. But now that we are in the era of Avatar’s 300 million dollar budget, it makes Evan Almighty’s initial 140 million dollar cost look like a bargain, that is until it ended up costing close to 200 million and only grossed 173 worldwide. Even you average comedy/romantic comedy is budgeted at 70 million minimum. A Jim Carrey comedy like Fun With Dick and Jane has a pricetag of 100 million. It gets to the point where the studio’s think that a movie can only be made for tens of millions of dollars and because they’re spending that type of money the movie has to cast whoever has the number 1 or number 2 hit of the week rather then casting based on who is right for the part. This is why they’re shoving Shia LaBeef into everything. They think this fucking idiot is a star and a box office draw despite the fact that the only hits he’s been in have been based on properties that have fanbases going back decades i.e. Charlies Angels, Transformers and Indiana Jones. Do any of you think that a movie like The Godfather would get made today with the type of cast of character actors Coppola put together? Not a fucking chance. It would be filled with WB/OC scum or who ever is the flavor of the month. Do yourselves a favor and read Easy Riders/Raging Bulls and then tell me that things are better off today with 300 million dollar budgets and photorealistic CGI.

  • April 30, 2009, 1:27 p.m. CST

    fain88, let me try that...

    by ReturnoftheCreepyThinMan


  • April 30, 2009, 1:28 p.m. CST

    I'll try again....

    by ReturnoftheCreepyThinMan


  • April 30, 2009, 1:29 p.m. CST

    One more time and I'm giving up on paragraphs

    by ReturnoftheCreepyThinMan


  • April 30, 2009, 1:36 p.m. CST

    AVATAR - Fucking your eyeballs in 2009!

    by Motoko Kusanagi

    Nothing else matters.<p>I am back, my fellow nerds and will fucking annoy you until we all get TOTAL FUCKING DESTRUCTION from Iron Jim's Sci-Fi-Action behemoth in December!<p>A V A T A R FTW!!!!

  • April 30, 2009, 1:53 p.m. CST

    Motoko rules!

    by kwisatzhaderach

    Avatar FTW indeed!

  • April 30, 2009, 1:57 p.m. CST

    Who was the dumb fuck...

    by Motoko Kusanagi

    ...that just compared the chases in Bullitt and Mad Max 2 to fucking Bourne Supremacy? <p>Are you fucking kidding me?!? The Bourne Supremacy had ZERO chase sequences -- just a bunch of wildy filmed shaky cam bullshit.

  • April 30, 2009, 1:57 p.m. CST

    Of course Spielberg said Oh My God after watching Phantom Menace

    by Lloytron

    I know I did. As in "Oh My God WTF was that boring pile of <insert phantom menace bile here>" etc etc.

  • April 30, 2009, 2:35 p.m. CST

    Guess what happend to Steven Soderbergh's EYES!!!

    by JDanielP

    Watch out!!! James Cameron is gonna get you, too!!!

  • April 30, 2009, 2:40 p.m. CST

    James Cameron's new t-shirt: "I want your eyeballs."

    by JDanielP

    On the back of the t-shirt: "There's another showing in 20 minutes."

  • April 30, 2009, 2:46 p.m. CST


    by blakindigo

    Give us a break. Looking at Cameron's budget overruns as a testament to quality isn't sensible. That kind of thinking reeks of industry gossip an speculation that doesn't have any real bearing on the major question: HOW MUCH WILL THIS FILM COST TO PRODUCE? <br> Cameron's ambition usually requires a higher R&D budget because he attempts to do things no one has done before; also he's a draftsman and knows what he wants as a designer. He saves time by initiating design conversations with specific goals, then lets the artists improvise. That costs money but, it could cost much more <br> Also, the films you mention are from an era where the demarcation line for commercial movies weren't as compartmentalized as 21st Century distribution models. Cameron's films are made in THIS era, not in 1972 or so. Todays film world has different demands for making a big, commercial movie. Let's be honest "2001: A Space Odyssey" would not be made by the studios of today. That's a reality Unfortunately, compromise is inevitable in this era..<br> But, as Kubrick's movie blossomed to $10 million dollars (in 1968 dollars mind you) and the amount of innovations that film generated also justified it's costs, so the innovations on "The Abyss" and "Terminator 2" justify their overuns. They're not on the same intellectual level as Kubrick (again no studio is buying those ideas), but the innovations of those films trickled down to the filmmaking community at large. The giant leaps in CGI (especially in compositiing) are a major boon to filmmakers working at lower budgets and shorter schedules. That's not even a debate.

  • April 30, 2009, 2:58 p.m. CST

    Hey remember how

    by InActionMan

    the Segway was going to change life as we know it? <P> Avatar will be the Segway of movies. <P> Sacha Grey will be nominated for the Oscar. My favorite Sacha scene is when she pissed into a glass and then drank it. Top that Dame Judy Dench!

  • April 30, 2009, 3:11 p.m. CST

    so when are we getting the trailer?

    by alienindisguise

    so we can all be let down..haha

  • April 30, 2009, 3:16 p.m. CST

    You cunts and Bale

    by most excellent ninja

    fucking showing disrespect to one of the best actors on the planet, what a sad case of tabloid eating motherfuckers. but this aintitcool and the retards are always stupid.

  • April 30, 2009, 3:17 p.m. CST

    AsimovLives = professional

    by kwisatzhaderach

    Just glad you're not trying to trash my posts man!

  • April 30, 2009, 3:26 p.m. CST

    "I'm from Portugal."

    by Mr. Nice Gaius

    And there it is! Thanks for coming clean as BladeRunnerUnit and Memories-Of-Murder, dude.<P>Ain't life easier when you step into the light...

  • April 30, 2009, 3:31 p.m. CST


    by Mr. Nice Gaius

    Nah, you know what I'm saying. We always knew you were from Portugal but you never copped to it. So, it's kind of funny to see you admit it now in the open.

  • April 30, 2009, 3:39 p.m. CST


    by Mr. Nice Gaius

    Ha! OK then...

  • April 30, 2009, 3:53 p.m. CST


    by Mr. Nice Gaius

    My line of silliness, eh? Well, that's an interesting turn of phrase coming from you. But don't worry about me, I'm sure you'll catch an earful from Jarv...<P>Anyway, welcome back, M-O-M. Seeing as how TRANSFORMERS is right around the corner, you couldn't have timed your return any better. Who would have thunk it!

  • April 30, 2009, 3:56 p.m. CST


    by kwisatzhaderach

    Took it from both book and film, love both.

  • April 30, 2009, 3:59 p.m. CST

    InActionMan I agree. Sasha Grey=Fucking Professional

    by conspiracy

    Nobody does ass to mouth and cum swapping like amateur fucking there..professional all the way.

  • April 30, 2009, 4:08 p.m. CST

    Can I just admit...

    by ScottinDC

    I really don't give a hot heaping monkey fuck about Avatar? What am I missing? (other than a Vagina and some 3d glasses).

  • April 30, 2009, 4:13 p.m. CST

    How the fuck are we supposed to see star trek

    by dioxholster

    if that swine flu is around. i mean i cant be in confined spaces right? so how will we see it without risking death.

  • April 30, 2009, 4:15 p.m. CST


    by dioxholster

    her only professionalism is having no shame. please dont honor the filth

  • April 30, 2009, 4:15 p.m. CST

    I'm more interested in good stories and characters

    by MattmanReturns

    than "breakthrough, eye fucking" technologies.

  • April 30, 2009, 4:15 p.m. CST


    by Mr. Nice Gaius

    I don't need to be.

  • April 30, 2009, 4:30 p.m. CST

    For fucks sake CreepyThinMan

    by Youngdog

    Its not fucking difficult<P>Big pointy bracket open 'P' close big pointy bracket<P>fucking amateur

  • April 30, 2009, 4:46 p.m. CST

    Thanks AsimovLives

    by Youngdog

    But I don't think he will will listen to either of us<br>Listening rules<br>It means I can space shit like this!<P>Unlike crappythonggirl

  • April 30, 2009, 4:50 p.m. CST


    by ReturnoftheCreepyThinMan


  • April 30, 2009, 4:52 p.m. CST


    by ReturnoftheCreepyThinMan


  • April 30, 2009, 4:53 p.m. CST

    ReturnoftheCreepy< BR>ThinMan

    by Youngdog

    No<P>Fucking Amateur

  • April 30, 2009, 4:55 p.m. CST

    dioxholster..I disagree

    by conspiracy

    In fact I'd say she is one of the most professional and honest actresses there is. She is a sexual deviant and gets paid to do it on film...not a bad gig I'd say.</p><p> You want Amatuer filth? Fucking Mega Fox. Can't act...and is well known for giving the goods in private to get gigs. At least Sasha is up front with her sleaziness and does not try to pass herself off as an "Actress". Honesty in the face of ridicule=Professionalism in my book brother.

  • April 30, 2009, 5:08 p.m. CST


    by Youngdog

    How come you can master html better than crappythonggirl yet you dis Watchmen. I suspect your reasoning is sound so I am genuinely interested.<br> Leave your reposte rolled up in a copy of the Metro by the first lamp post on London Bridge (north side)<P>I will be in touch

  • April 30, 2009, 5:09 p.m. CST


    by dioxholster

    whatever i cant even look at her

  • April 30, 2009, 5:13 p.m. CST


    by dioxholster

    lol yeah its called aintitcoolnews not aint it fast news.

  • April 30, 2009, 5:14 p.m. CST

    T2 is shit, TPM is the best prequel

    by Prossor

    agreed agreed.

  • April 30, 2009, 5:30 p.m. CST

    Soooo...any actual REASON

    by fain88

    for dissing Watchmen?

  • April 30, 2009, 5:30 p.m. CST

    I'll be the first to admit

    by fain88

    it was far from perfect; I just don't get why everyone hates on it SOOO much. Honest question, just askin'.

  • April 30, 2009, 5:33 p.m. CST

    What?? FU & Your Ocean movies

    by spiceybiscuit

    douche bag thought Phantom was a good clip???? I want to skull fuck the head of Lucas for making sit through that POS for two hours...

  • April 30, 2009, 5:47 p.m. CST


    by fain88

    'it's badly made' doesn't prove anything, as it's not backed up. It's just a statement. I could say, 'The Godfater is a piece of shit', but that wouldn't make it true or even arguable without any examples or proof. <br> <br> It wasn't a exact comic adaptation like 'Sin City' which was word-for-word directly from the comics, down to using the pictures as stroyboards, but it did use many direct images and lines from the comic. <br> <br> It wasn't an off-the-board 'reimaging' that forgot everything about the comic, like 'League of Extraordinary Gentlemen' (bad example, I know, but I'm tired), but it did introduce many of it's own elements (the title sequence, alteration of the ending).<br> <br> 'The movie fucking sucks' doesn't really make your point for you. I was wondering WHY you didn't like it. (Sorry if I get too into this, it's my favorite comic and I'm really wondering WHY people thought the movie was that bad)

  • April 30, 2009, 5:48 p.m. CST

    Can we say Watchmen sucked now?

    by lockesbrokenleg

    Cause it did.

  • April 30, 2009, 6:48 p.m. CST

    Who would want Avatar to fuck their eyeballs...

    by dioxtrollster

    ...when cock could be fucking your Stargate!

  • April 30, 2009, 6:51 p.m. CST

    Watchmen was deeply average

    by kwisatzhaderach

    Average director, average script + average cast (except Haley) = average movie. There was a reason they said the comic was unfilmable. And Zack Snyder proved it.

  • April 30, 2009, 7:02 p.m. CST

    i have neither read the graphic novel and nor

    by southafricanguy

    have i seen the movie, for some reason it just did nt interest me. Thus I have no opinion to offer as one cannot speak intelligently about somthing one has no knowledge of...

  • April 30, 2009, 7:09 p.m. CST


    by southafricanguy

    AL, yeah i know the history of whence you speak. There is a large Portugese comunity in SA, born there and Portugese that fled Angola and Mozambiuqe (im sure you are familiar with that history). Though I have no idea why you being from Portugal is such a big deal to Mr Gaius...

  • April 30, 2009, 7:10 p.m. CST


    by assholster

    are you me?

  • April 30, 2009, 7:13 p.m. CST


    by southafricanguy

    book, one of my favouries. One of the things i like about the old Avatar scriptment is the obvious Dune influence...Lynch's movie..less so, its deeply flawed, but the long tv cut is much better. And it does have some interesting production design and performances. *sigh*.just wish Lynch had the freedom to have done exactly what he wanted. I think interference from that Italian midget caused a lot of the problems....

  • April 30, 2009, 7:13 p.m. CST

    watch stargate people

    by assholster

    its the best! dont believe me? ask dioxtrollster

  • April 30, 2009, 7:15 p.m. CST

    Creepythinman.....where have you been dude?

    by southafricanguy

    this site has been late with stories, or simply does nt post stories anymore, for quite some time now. I go to several other sites for the latest info, because you sure as shit dont get it here. I come here for talkback and the occasional exclusive...

  • April 30, 2009, 7:25 p.m. CST


    by dioxholster

    i hate you

  • April 30, 2009, 8:35 p.m. CST


    by enderandrew

    It was the best damned adaptation you were likely to see. They got vastly more right with that movie than they got wrong. And frankly the movie ending is better than the squid.

  • April 30, 2009, 8:36 p.m. CST


    by Sal_Bando


  • April 30, 2009, 8:40 p.m. CST

    It IS About the Story

    by ThusSpakeSpymunk

    And I'd love, love, love for someone to look Cameron in the face and say "Yeah, but what's the story?" when shown the footage.

  • April 30, 2009, 10:33 p.m. CST

    Writer's strike.

    by imagin78

    Remember that this summer is the one that is going to suffer from the writer's strike. A lot of crap was quickly greenlit in order to have product. Even Star Trek was rushed to beat the strike. I personally feel that this will be a bad summer for films. Say what you will about Cameron's dialogue, but he is a master at story construction. This is why I eagerly await Avatar.

  • April 30, 2009, 10:59 p.m. CST

    Thusspakespymunk.....well i guess if you read

    by southafricanguy

    the old scriptment then you will have an idea of the story, even though its obviously changed a lot. We arent hearing about the story i guess because its all being kept secret. Since they are clearly trying to avoid giving anything away, why would anyone at this stage be talking about the story. Personally im not worried about the story as it was fine in the scriptment, and im sure its been improved in the actual script because a lot would have changed between 1995 and now. And Cameron wrote the script with Laeta Kalogordis, which i think is good...

  • April 30, 2009, 11:05 p.m. CST very happy that i cause

    by southafricanguy

    you some kind of pain. You appear to be a world class, grade A dumb fuckshit that likes to attack people that have no prior problem with you. I guess attention seeking, obnoxious, "look at me" "look at me!" bile spewing is more your thing. Well then kindly fuck off and go find your inbred friends laserpants et al. Im sure they will accomodate you with ignorant and imbecillic rantings. Thus leaving the adults here to have interesting discussions/debates/arguments about film....m'kay?

  • April 30, 2009, 11:10 p.m. CST

    Watchmen best

    by Oknight

    film adaptation of a novel I've ever seen. <p>You think Watchmen is unfilmable? By what standard... now Moby Dick, THAT's unfilmable.

  • April 30, 2009, 11:10 p.m. CST


    by southafricanguy

    yeah i partly agree with you about the effect of the writers strike. But at least there are some good writers like jonathen nolan on T4 or Kloves on Potter. i think orci and kurtzman are okay, but their scripts are dumb, and they borrow heavily from other movies, but at least they imagine on a big hoping they did a good job on Trek. At least David Koepp did nt write anything this year....

  • April 30, 2009, 11:13 p.m. CST

    that guys scripts just piss me off....

    by southafricanguy

    but you are damn right about Cameron's structure. You can say what you want about any other aspect of his writing, but his structure is perfect. And he always introduces ideas/concepts and then uses them well, as well as he does not constrian his imagination imho...

  • April 30, 2009, 11:46 p.m. CST

    LAETA KALOGRIDIS is a talented writer?! HAHAHAHA.


    Keep dreaming douche bag. Sorry but Pathfinder and the pilot for Bionic Woman do not constitute as good writing. Just because Cameron slid his dick down her throat, does not make her a good writer. And Cameron is a master at constructing a story? Give me a motherfucking break. He can shoot action scenes, and he makes everything blue. End of story. For fuck's sake man....

  • May 1, 2009, 12:01 a.m. CST


    by fain88

    I'll agree on the average cast save Haley (and even HE had some problems; Rorschach is a very even, controlled character. The pacing and ranting when the cops were outside, and the constant grabbing at his clothing made me shift uncomfortably), and I'll even grant you Snyder as an average director (although some of the shots caught my breath; maybe just the fanboy in me, but the very first sequence after the opening, which was also amazing by the by, where he took the sequential panels of the first page and made them work in one solid pull-back was amazing. But yes, many choices were just sort of 'meh'). But the script? It was 75% from the comic! And that stuff is solid gold. <br> <br> And even most of the adjustments (minus the lack of peripheral 'man-on-the-street' characters, since they made the ending so impactful...and I'm just DYING for that director's cut that supposedly puts all those stories back in!) seem smart. I was arguing with you over at the AICN: Tabletop thread, enderandrew, but I compeletely agree with you on the different ending; not neccessarily that it is 'better', but it makes more sense in regards to the larger commercial audience that aren't giant nerds who would think the squid-alien was super-cool (which I did...but understand why people don't 'get it').

  • May 1, 2009, 12:07 a.m. CST

    I enjoyed Watchmen a lot.


    And as a non-reader, I hear about the squid ending and I think it sounds fucking retarded. If I knew that was how the film ended, I probably wouldn't have seen it.

  • May 1, 2009, 12:31 a.m. CST


    by fain88

    Exactly. For a comic, it was sublime. For a commercial film, the ending shot made more sense.

  • May 1, 2009, 12:46 a.m. CST


    by southafricanguy

    for you to understand, but if you dont like her writing thats cool (but her pathfinder script was rewritten several times over by other writers). And in your desparate need for attention seeking as always you dont even know what the fuck we are talking about. Who said anything about constructing a story? We re talking a the structure of his scripts. However you dont know what that means and if you actually do please explain how that is not the case. Though that would be impossible becos that would require you to actually make sense. Put forward a reasoned, logical argument. But we all know you are the Michael Bay of the talkbacks..loud, empty nonsense that just screams look at me! look at me!....

  • May 1, 2009, 12:52 a.m. CST

    your bullshit is just subjective opinion, as is

    by southafricanguy

    mine. But at least i admit its my opinion, whereas you think your half baked thoughts are pure fact. I ve made no secret how little I think of you Danny and your obnoxious infantile behaviour. But ive never thought you were stupid (extremely prejudiced with a serious agenda yes)but never stupid. But Im actually suprised at just how you just displayed Laserpants level stupidity there....Go back and look at his comments..even you as someone that has some serious personal issue with Cameron, can see how he was making himself look really stupid based on an obvious lack of knowing what the fuck he was talking about.

  • May 1, 2009, 1 a.m. CST

    And heres something i really would really

    by southafricanguy

    like to know Danny, just for my own curiosity, what exactly is your issue with Cameron? If you simply dont like his movies..great, but you always appear on Cameron related talkbacks and seem to be very passionate about trashing him. There are directors i dont care for, but i dont waste my time commenting on what they do (unless they are involved in a property im interested in). Im really baffled at your comments regarding Cameron's personal life as well considering your worship of Bale (unless that all a big act). If there is any director that Bales equivalent, its Cameron. Both of them are completely hard driven perfectionists with reputations for be assholes on set in ther name of getting exactly what they want on screen. Cameron was shitting on and shouting at incompotent people on the sets of movies while Bale was still popping zits on his face.

  • May 1, 2009, 1:05 a.m. CST

    and lets remmeber that Cameron physically

    by southafricanguy

    tried to strangle a dumb Fox exec, how can you not admire/respect that? What other director has ever had the balls to do that to a studio exec? And he puts his clout, and reputation on the line. Several times he has been called crazy because of his exacting standards, and use of insane amounts of money and unproven fx technology, but its always paid off for him. Please tell me what other director is taking such huge risks with something unproven and original thats damn expensive and could very well fall flat on its face?....Anyone? Oh yeah thats right they are all doing remakes/reboots or adapting things with built in fan bases....

  • May 1, 2009, 1:17 a.m. CST

    And im also curious what insanely god like

    by southafricanguy

    directors pass your seal of approval, because you seem to hate everything, so I just really wanna know who you think are good directors...

  • May 1, 2009, 1:28 a.m. CST

    ah..fuck it Danny..lets just agree to

    by southafricanguy

    completely disagree, you obviously have very different tastes to mine, and very different ideas about what you consider good/quality filmaking. And thats no bad thing. We will just never see eye to eye. And obviously I just want to discuss movies while you obviously come here for very different reasons....Something I cant relate to (maybe its an American thing)...

  • May 1, 2009, 1:36 a.m. CST

    Cameron is the King, end story.

    by ganymede3010

    You don't think Cameron can write a compelling story? Read his Spiderman script. It shits neutron bomb's on Sam Raimi's even though he skull fucked the back story of Mr. Sandman. If his version of Spiderman was shot it would of been a fucking classic.

  • May 1, 2009, 1:51 a.m. CST



  • May 1, 2009, 2:02 a.m. CST

    Ummm....he tried to strangle a studio exec, and thats cool?


    I suppose you also think he's a bad ass for putting each of his ex-wive's heads through the fucking wall. Sorry, thats not enough to impress me. Maybe it is an American thing.

  • May 1, 2009, 2:38 a.m. CST


    by kwisatzhaderach

    Wouldn't you want to strangle a studio exec? I know I would. Besides you're getting mixed up, he didn't try to strangle him. Print the legend...

  • May 1, 2009, 2:49 a.m. CST

    Domestic violence is NOT cool

    by Youngdog

    And should NEVER be tolerated.<P>But strangling studio execs? Too fucking good for them

  • May 1, 2009, 3:07 a.m. CST

    I'm confused...

    by WavingFlagsInSpace

    ...which isn't much of a revelation but I don't understand all these comments about people awaiting this generation's 'Chinatown'/'Godfather'/'Apocalypse Now' etc...<p>I mean where do films from the likes of Michael Mann, Curtis Hanson, Chris Nolan, PT Anderson and David Fincher fit into this generation's expectations?<p>For me 'LA Confidential' (I guess I'm showing my age, is certainly as admirable a film as 'The Godfather' - both based on superb source material, young actors on the up making their names and a gorgeous sense of time and place.<p>Watching some of Aronofsky's films is, for me, as refreshing and thought-provoking as watching some of the cinema of the 70s. okay, I suppose Hansona nd Mann are hardly of this generation but there is still a plethora of quality out there having to make entertaining art in the wake of Spielberg, Coppola and Scorsese.<p>Surely there is enough 'high-brow' filmmaking going on to leave plenty of space in this generation for the Camerons to push the envelope and the Bays and Snyders to mop-up afterwards. Harking back to a Golden Generation often leads one to realise that there was no such moment, just nostalgia and rose-tinted spectacles.

  • May 1, 2009, 3:22 a.m. CST


    by fain88

    EXCELLENT points! I'll also offer up 'The Usual Suspects' along with 'LA Confidential'...and many Nolan films could be up there too (Memento, The Prestige). Plus, despite any bashing he might get, Tarantino (especially his early stuff, 'Reservoir Dogs' and 'Pulp Fiction') has added to that as well.

  • May 1, 2009, 4 a.m. CST

    So then Danny Bale's violence towards his

    by southafricanguy

    mother is cool then? You display such a double standard. Hypocrisy..thats an America thing...

  • May 1, 2009, 4:04 a.m. CST

    really im just trying to understand your worship

    by southafricanguy

    of Bale, and your simultaneous hatred of Cameron considering that they are such similar people...Interesting that you avoided answering your complete misunderstanding of what we were talking about (script structure, not constructing a story) and providing a list of the very overrated/hack directors you like..

  • May 1, 2009, 4:07 a.m. CST

    But you really come across like most

    by southafricanguy

    Americans I meet here in Korea..all loud mouthed, super opinionated while at the same time being damn ignorant about the subject they are being so loud mouthed and opionated about...And I love your sudden concern for womans safety Danny, considering the numerous ultra misoganystic comments you make about you are funny...

  • May 1, 2009, 4:12 a.m. CST

    and he even gets serious about the strangling

    by southafricanguy

    of a studio, my god, if Bale had done that Danny would be here praising him to the heavens...

  • May 1, 2009, 4:29 a.m. CST

    You know its really in Asia in

    by southafricanguy

    Korea and Japan where i ve lived, they really hate Americans with a passion. You know why? Because of how many times American soldiers have raped Japanese and Korean women. Because they cause shit wherever they go (many clubs and bars will now refuse entry to Americans), and they walk around like they own the fucking place...Forget about being gracious guests in someone elses country..And all they do is bitch and complain about how nothing is like it is back in America...Having a conversation with them is useally like trying to talk to Danny, they just want to be the loudest and most obnoxious in the room (something they seem to value highly)...

  • May 1, 2009, 4:35 a.m. CST

    Laserpants must be American too. With the

    by southafricanguy

    way he makes bold proclamations about things that are factually incorrect due to his own ignorance. All the while remaining super smug about it because he's so damn unaware how stupid what he's saying is...Fuck! I love the aicn talkbacks! Where else could you talk to bizarre people like Danny and Laserpants, and be so entertained by their complete inability to make sense, not contradict themselves, fail to provide any kind of empirical evidence that backs up anything they say, and apply huge double standards to things they either love or hate...

  • May 1, 2009, 4:42 a.m. CST


    by Youngdog

    That is so odd. Maybe it's just the troops or something.<br>I always thought that while America is a massive pain in the arse to most people, Americans themselves are the nicest people you are likely to meet. I have been to the U.S. a couple of times and worked with many Americans in London and never had a bad experience so far - even the wankers seem nice. <Br>It might be the getting shot at and watching friends being blown up that is turning the soldiers into arseholes. Which you can kind of understand really

  • May 1, 2009, 4:45 a.m. CST


    by DiamondJoe

    Finished? Y'know, plenty of room here for more fucking posts? No? Right. Christian Bale was never charged with assault. By all accounts, he was verbally abusive (as is his wont) but not physically. So the comparison doesn't stand up, does it? Unless you have any evidence the rest of us are unaware of to the contrary? No? Shut the fuck up then.

  • May 1, 2009, 4:48 a.m. CST

    Fuck. I thought DANNYGLOVERS_DOUCHEBAG was banned.


    That guys the fucking aicn equivalent of the pig virus. he says nothing of value and talks shit in every single talkback. nothing worse than a failed comedian and thats exactly what DANNYGLOVERS_DOUCHEBAG is. i wish he would fuck off and lick a pigs ass and catch pig flu and then die. and i hope he passes it onto everyone else he knows so that as they die, they cna think 'i was killed by DANNYGLOVERS_DOUCHEBACK'. Not that they know who he is. Outside of AICN, that guy probably works in wallmart and nobody ever speaks to him. this is is the only place he can come to get attention and it makes his life worth living. fucking douche. i hope they ban him and take away his reason for living.

  • May 1, 2009, 4:49 a.m. CST


    by DiamondJoe

    While you're busy making your laughable anti-american generalisations can I also just state for the record that every white south african I've ever met (assuming thats what you are) has been a cock of epic proportions?

  • May 1, 2009, 4:50 a.m. CST

    give it a fucking rest southafricanguy


    its bad enough reading one of your shitty boring posts. reading ten of them in a row is fucking BORING.

  • May 1, 2009, 4:52 a.m. CST

    gotta agree with DiamonJoe


    i bet my ass your a despicable racist motherfucker like all the other southafricans ive met. no matter the color of your skin, all south africans are vile racists in my opinion.

  • May 1, 2009, 5 a.m. CST


    by Youngdog

    You just reminded me of this<Br><Br> This was created at the height of apartied and obviously the opinions expressed therein do not reflect the views of Youngdog or his associates

  • May 1, 2009, 5:14 a.m. CST


    by southafricanguy

    the evidence when Cameron was charged with what Danny claims...otherwise you can shut the fuck up.

  • May 1, 2009, 5:16 a.m. CST

    richard gere...heres a revolutionary idea....

    by southafricanguy

    if my posts bore you..dont fucking read them asshole...Trust me I wont be reading yours..

  • May 1, 2009, 5:18 a.m. CST

    And yes most South Africans are quite racist

    by southafricanguy

    one of the things I really hate about my countrymen, and one of the reasons i dont live in SA. But then being lectured by an American about racism is too funny...come on, seriously kkk? theres that American hypocrisy....

  • May 1, 2009, 5:19 a.m. CST


    by DiamondJoe

    I wasn't talking about Cameron, was I? I was talking about Bale. You asked how he was different from Cameron in the domestic abuse stakes and I've just told you. I'll tell you again - Bale has never been accused of domestic abuse and there is no evidence anywhere that he has ever committed domestic abuse. Are we taking this in?

  • May 1, 2009, 5:35 a.m. CST

    I know some very cool South Africans


    I've known them for about two years and neither of them have ever said anything that was remotely racist or expressed anything that would make me think that they were racist. <p>Please don't generalise.

  • May 1, 2009, 5:59 a.m. CST

    oh and richerd gere and diamond joe....every

    by southafricanguy

    thing ive been saying has been to insult Danny and everything about him. Ill cop to it and apologize for making an unfair general statement about Americans. Furthermore, im not actually anti-American, i admire a number of things about America. But you two know nothing of the background with my fight with Danny, he attacked me first in a talkback for no reason i can figure out. Calling me a cunt and a moron,oh and he insulted my nationality and called my country a shithole. So when it comes to Danny, im free to insult any and everything about him...including his nationality.

  • May 1, 2009, 6:01 a.m. CST

    so for what its worth please dont take what i

    by southafricanguy

    say too personally, if i really believed everything I said applied to all Americans, or even most, then that would make me a hypocrite on par with Danny, after all here I am on an American website discussing American films. Right?

  • May 1, 2009, 6:06 a.m. CST

    I just like to piss Danny off and challenge

    by southafricanguy

    him and those like Laserpants becos the stuff they say so often has no rational thought behind it...

  • May 1, 2009, 6:08 a.m. CST

    DIAMOND JOE.uh..dont you get it? im pulling

    by southafricanguy

    stuff out of my ass on purpose, like Danny. If he can do it so can I.....

  • May 1, 2009, 6:10 a.m. CST

    You may be South African..

    by Youngdog

    ..but you are also a gentlemen. More posts like SAG's would be a welcome addition to this site. I am as guilty as anyone (creepythinguy, sorry mate) but internet anonymity and usernames seem to bring out the worst behaviour in people.<P>Now come here you big old tart and give me a hug

  • May 1, 2009, 6:14 a.m. CST

    That was a large part of the point of my posts

    by southafricanguy

    I just like to have intelligent discussion about film with other geeks. But whenever im doing that he appears and starts to attack me, and anyone else that isnt a bitter, cynical person that hates everything, personally calling us douches etc...And then when you use logic, reason, or fact to disprove anything he says, he just flys into an even bigger rage. So, sorry for insulting you guys, wasnt really my intention, but then dont get involved in a someone elses fight...

  • May 1, 2009, 6:26 a.m. CST

    Hate is a human trait.

    by imagin78

    Afterall...Cameron is Canadian and Bale is British. So...anger and hate are not exclusive to any one group. But, enough with the hate. We talkbackers can often get caught up in the glow of criticism. One thing I know, until proven otherwise, is that a new Cameron film is a cause of excitement for film geeks and not hate.

  • May 1, 2009, 6:28 a.m. CST

    Youngdog...thanks dude. You are so right

    by southafricanguy

    its really easy to get very carried away on these talkbacks. I actually hate having fights here i really do, but sometimes it can be really hard to be civil...

  • May 1, 2009, 6:31 a.m. CST


    by southafricanguy

    ,thanks for being a voice of reason and reinding me whats really important as a film geek (you too youngdog)

  • May 1, 2009, 6:33 a.m. CST

    Asimov..hey whats up dude? Btw why does

    by southafricanguy

    he care so much about you being Portugese?

  • May 1, 2009, 6:35 a.m. CST

    Imagin78....isnt Bale Welsh? thats what i

    by southafricanguy

    heard but i dont know if its fact or not.

  • May 1, 2009, 6:39 a.m. CST


    by imagin78

    Bale was born to English parents in Wales. Either way, that would make him British.

  • May 1, 2009, 6:48 a.m. CST

    thanks imagin78....good point, since Wales

    by southafricanguy

    is part of the UK, Bale is British either way. Right you are sir...

  • May 1, 2009, 7:02 a.m. CST

    AsimovLives - you might have heard this one

    by Youngdog

    Em linguagam de peixe o peixe vira-se O peixe vira-se pra peixa e diz: Estou apeixonada por ti, a peixa responde: Nao tens peixota pra mim.

  • May 1, 2009, 7:23 a.m. CST

    Asimov,,thanks for the how is Port

    by southafricanguy

    uguese different from Brazilian Portuguese? If I may ask..

  • May 1, 2009, 7:26 a.m. CST

    and are South African tv shows on tv in Po

    by southafricanguy

    rtugal? Is that where you saw Charlie Jade?

  • May 1, 2009, 7:31 a.m. CST


    by Youngdog

    I'll tell my Portuguese colleague he needs to brush up on his native language. At least it didn't insult you are any of your family<Br>He's stitched me up before doing that!

  • May 1, 2009, 7:43 a.m. CST

    Bale in The Independent

    by WavingFlagsInSpace

    Grand-Master-High-Lord-Pay-Him-Some-MUTHAFUCKIN'-Respect-Sir Christian Bale has been quoted in today's copy of The Independent newspaper concerning the Balerant. And, to be perfectly honest, he whines like a bitch about being betrayed...that such betrayals undermine his ability to create freely. JEEEEEEEEESSSSUS H. Christ he reads like a tart. A big girl's blouse. He's taken the shine off that rant in a big way.<p>The full interview is in this month's Total's kind of depressing.<p>Why bitch and whine about a moment of complete awesomeness that was, thank Bale, shared with the entire world.<p>Don't shoot the messenger, Bale worshippers - I was there when the 10000 clocked in and everyone was back-slapping and hurling round the 'professional' Bale has made himself sound distinctly amateur.

  • May 1, 2009, 7:50 a.m. CST

    Thanks Asimov...yeah you are so right, every

    by southafricanguy

    Portuguese person i have ever known of met in SA is originally from Madiera. Why is that? Is there something wrong with that particular part of Portugal?

  • May 1, 2009, 7:53 a.m. CST

    Yeah he said it wouldn't translate..

    by Youngdog

    ..then again, one time out in West London he told me how to tell a Brazilian girl we met that I thought she had beautiful eyes. <br>I ended up asking her if she took it up the wrong'un. <br>His defence was that I stood more chance with his line than mine!

  • May 1, 2009, 7:53 a.m. CST

    Oh and Asimov south african genre stuff has

    by southafricanguy

    always been super crappy. South Africa has also yet to produce a director wortha damn. The first promising thing may just be this District 9 movie thats coming. It could be the first actual good SA sci-fi movie...

  • May 1, 2009, 7:59 a.m. CST


    by WavingFlagsInSpace

    Is that a way of saying the lunatics have taken over the asylum?<p>I read what you're saying but when one of the central foundations of any movement comes out and whines like a child about compromised creativity it makes it kinda hard to appreciate the original moment of Baleness.<p>Bale should be proud of his work and stand by it.<p>Remember that scene in The Life of Brian when people are running around looking for anything to follow and they settle on a gourd, well Bale just became a gourd and the merry followers are deluding themselves.<p> Christian Bale: I am NOT the Messiah!<p>Acolytes of Bale: We say you are Lord, and we should know. We've followed a few.

  • May 1, 2009, 8:06 a.m. CST


    by WavingFlagsInSpace

    Ha Ha Ha Ha...good one, fella.

  • May 1, 2009, 8:10 a.m. CST

    Hey, I didn't say it he wasn't right!

    by Youngdog

    Checking out now - lots to do. Typical, I spend all week looking forward to the weekend and then BAM! it gets here and there isn't enough hours in the day to get everything done in time. May pop back later but if not have a good weekend chaps

  • May 1, 2009, 8:15 a.m. CST


    by DiamondJoe

    Hmm, yeah ok, so you've got a beef with someone and you're flaming them with deliberately provocative stuff? Fair enough, we've all done it. I think accusing of someone of domestic abuse without foundation is kind of over the line though, y'know? Christian_Bale_trashed_my_lights - I wasn't generalising. I said every white South African I'd ever met was a cock. Which admittedly isn't many.

  • May 1, 2009, 8:19 a.m. CST

    Diamondjoe...sincerely sorry if i offended you

    by southafricanguy

    , you just got caught in the cross hairs, so to speak. Seriously man, many of my heros and favourite things are American (star wars, star trek, batman etc..)

  • May 1, 2009, 8:22 a.m. CST

    and you are right about going ove rthe line

    by southafricanguy

    with the domestic violence stuff, but that was my whole point about Danny's level of crap. He constantly goes on about Cameron having put his three wives heads through the wall. When the fuck did this ever happen? other than in his overactive imagination?

  • May 1, 2009, 8:25 a.m. CST

    and he makes such offensive mysoginistic

    by southafricanguy

    comments about women, but then all of a sudden he' the last great feminist? I was just trying to reach for his level...which i really should nt have, i really have no desire to be comared to him at all...

  • May 1, 2009, 8:26 a.m. CST

    you too that guys fukn prof

    by southafricanguy


  • May 1, 2009, 8:31 a.m. CST

    ASIMOVLIVES...thanks for the really inter

    by southafricanguy

    esting info. And you are quite right about Stander being damn good, but its not sci-fi (which is what i specifically meant in terms of my comment)And im afraid the director is Canadian my friend..

  • May 1, 2009, 8:34 a.m. CST

    do you like K.Bigelows movies Asimov?

    by southafricanguy

    i really like Strange Days. Good script, great concept, and just a really good little cyberpunk flick. Especially love that opening first person pov

  • May 1, 2009, 8:46 a.m. CST

    No offence caused man

    by DiamondJoe

    I'm not even American, I'm UK

  • May 1, 2009, 8:53 a.m. CST

    SouthAfrica - The Story As I Know It *Spoilers?*

    by ThusSpakeSpymunk

    The story as I was made to understand it was that an astronaut travels through space and bonds with a stone Thundercat after being crippled, and the Thundercat allows him to walk around an alien world because he telepathically bonds with the Thundercat. Then, he discovers that his organization that handled his space travel has started looting and polluting (it's not the way!) the Thundercat's alien homeworld, and so he and the Thundercat get together as one entity - his mind in the Thundercat's body sharing intelligence with the Thundercat, to try to convince the Evil Corporation Full of All-White Scientists (TM) to lower its carbon footprint and be nice. Yay.

  • May 1, 2009, 9:04 a.m. CST

    Thusspake....that is a very strange descrip

    by southafricanguy

    tion of the scriptment dude. Thats like saying The dark knight is about a clown that attacks a city and a crazy rich guy in a power ranger costume tries to stop him while at the same time preaching the value of never killing, and that revenge is bad.

  • May 1, 2009, 9:10 a.m. CST

    for the record i have read the old scriptment

    by southafricanguy

    and as i have said its an updating of john carter of mars, with some Dune thrown in. There are hard science elements but thats because Cameron always tries to ground his stuff as much as possible in reality. Anyway...once they arrive on the alien plantet it gets quite fantasy my friend, it reads like a live action miziaki film. Lots of anime type things like fast oving mech armour, really strange alien creatures that can shoot their heads and then regrow them. Its really an action adventure ultimtly. And theres no convincing about anything, the entire third act is just one epic action set piece after another...

  • May 1, 2009, 9:12 a.m. CST

    and yeah there is a strong ecolocical element

    by southafricanguy

    to it, but there are other thematic elements too such as nature vs technology (the main recurring theme in all his movies) and the possible evolution of human society.

  • May 1, 2009, 9:18 a.m. CST

    and as for the "thundercats", well thats where

    by southafricanguy

    i believe the big risk is here. The Na'vi will work depending hugely on their design (and guys like stan winston, jordu schell, and wayne barlow know what they are doing in this regard imho), and how they move on screen. But if they can make that work, i dont think anyone will think about the thundercats. Apparantly the look of the Na'vi is quite sinister looking, and as described in the scriptment they are very fast and agile. And the coolest ting is that they have a kind of external extension of their nervous system which allows them to link to and control any alien creature on Pandora. Basically they can use them as biological mech armour.

  • May 1, 2009, 9:21 a.m. CST

    there are a lot of things to please a mass

    by southafricanguy

    audiance in the scriptment thusspake..thats the only reason I disagree with you. That being said what he's attempting is damn risky and as I said wether it works is going to depend a lot on how its all done i.e tone etc the actors performances, the designs and the execution of the fx imho...

  • May 1, 2009, 9:24 a.m. CST

    Oh and the story has obviously been changed

    by southafricanguy

    quite a bit as Cameron has stated that a lot of the scriptment is now obselete...

  • May 1, 2009, 9:25 a.m. CST

    Diamondjoe...ok cool man.

    by southafricanguy

  • May 1, 2009, 9:32 a.m. CST

    southafricanguy is just what this talkback needs

    by dioxholster

    a retard

  • May 1, 2009, 9:34 a.m. CST


    by kwisatzhaderach

    Bigelow has hit it out of the park three times, Near Dark, Point Break and Strange Days. Fingers crossed Hurt Locker will be number 4.

  • May 1, 2009, 9:39 a.m. CST

    Dioxholster...just what this world needs....

    by southafricanguy

    an asshole

  • May 1, 2009, 9:41 a.m. CST

    seriously...what is your issue man? You pop

    by southafricanguy

    up and always have a go at me, what the fuck did i do to you exactly?

  • May 1, 2009, 9:43 a.m. CST


    by southafricanguy

    high hope for hurt locker too. Bigelow is seriously underrated imho. Wish Cameron would write another script for her

  • May 1, 2009, 9:45 a.m. CST

    Asimov....fukn professional...what else can be

    by southafricanguy


  • May 1, 2009, 9:48 a.m. CST

    now asimov you know that you will be called

    by southafricanguy

    a cunt and attacked by someone soon because you have used actual fact and reason to make a sensible argument/point. It can only offend those that like to make outrageous claims about things that they desperatly wish were

  • May 1, 2009, 9:49 a.m. CST

    Yeah, You Can Tell Cameron Hates Women ...

    by ThusSpakeSpymunk

    ... in positions of strength and authority. Just watch Sarah Connor in T2. Uh-huh. When I first saw T2 it was with a lesbian who remarked during the push-up "How's the knee?" scene as follows: "That ... is the prototype woman ... for me ... and all humanity!"

  • May 1, 2009, 9:52 a.m. CST

    Anyway i ve got to begoing, get some sleep

    by southafricanguy

    as always its been a pleasure gentlemen. Asimov, Kwis, Youngdog, diamondjoe=fukn professionals, the lot of you....

  • May 1, 2009, 9:53 a.m. CST

    Southafricanguy -

    by ThusSpakeSpymunk

    Read this:<p> <p> <p> That's why ecological movies are total crap.

  • May 1, 2009, 9:54 a.m. CST

    and i will even include my debating opponent

    by southafricanguy

    thusspake, also damn professional, even if we dont see eye to eye...

  • May 1, 2009, 9:57 a.m. CST

    not arguing with you my friend..all im saying

    by southafricanguy

    is that Avatar is about a lot more and has a lot more other things going for it than its ecological message, thats all. So i dont see how it falls under an ecological movie catergorization.

  • May 1, 2009, 9:59 a.m. CST

    but you know what dude, we are all just going

    by southafricanguy

    to have to wait for December to really know, wont we?

  • May 1, 2009, 10 a.m. CST


    by ThusSpakeSpymunk

    It's about inclusion to me. If you're going to make women more than victim fodder in an action movie, they're going to get hurt. Is it male-sogynistic when Stallone gets tortured in RAMBO: FIRST BLOOD PART 2? I think it's in the mind of the viewer. In my perosnal philosophy, I actually beleive in female superiority - in general, not even on a sexual level. I'm a gay guy. As a result, I am incredibly pleased to see a shift away from male action stars and toward female action stars - but the price of that is going to be that women will bleed on-screen. The question is whether they bleed like RAMBO or a victim from FRIDAY THE 13TH. AND, given the choice, I'll pick RAMBO any day of the week in that choice.

  • May 1, 2009, 10:03 a.m. CST


    by ThusSpakeSpymunk

    All 3 of those are good movies, because of what they say - which to me isn't an ECOLOGICAL MESSAGE in any of them. DELIVERANCE tells us rightly that THINKING you're master of nature doesn't mean you are. EMERALD FOREST says being in-touch with your environment has a strong psychological impact - and damn, doesn't it suck that some really beautiful stuff is getting knocked down in favor of gaudy nonsense? AT PLAY says that when you destroy an indiginous people, you may lose out on some stuff. Ecological? Not a one. There's a HUGE difference between that and the suggestion that man should surrender to nature.

  • May 1, 2009, 10:04 a.m. CST

    Er ...

    by ThusSpakeSpymunk

    That title should be DELIVERANCE + EMERALD FOREST + AT PLAY. Not =. Uh.

  • May 1, 2009, 1 p.m. CST

    Dickblood, you ignorant fuck...

    by TurdontheRun

    What is this continual nonsense with you about Cameron beating up women? Cameron has never been accused of, or even under suspicion, of any such thing. That's just your sick, twisted fantasy, you piece of filth (and based on your vile miogynistic comments you shouldn't be allowed within 10 feet of a woman - I'm sure the feeling is mutual).<p>as for this studio exec, the rumour isn't that he strangled him, but instead held him over the edge of that giant reactor pit that they filmed The Abyss in, and threatened to throw him over if he ever returned to the set. Quite right, too. In any case, larger than life rumours tend to congregate around Cameron; there are quite a few others.

  • May 1, 2009, 1:07 p.m. CST


    by TurdontheRun

    I think you just described some unholy cross between Enemy Mine and Steven Seagal's On Deadly Ground. You certainly didn't describe Avatar, that's for sure...

  • May 1, 2009, 1:14 p.m. CST


    by TurdontheRun

    ITt's actually an urban legend that Cameron lost the Terminator rights in his divorce settlement with Linda Hamilton. The only time he has ever owned those rights was before he sold them (for $1, or so the story goes)to Gale Ann Hurd so he could kick start his career as a director on T1. The rights issues for the Terminator series is a lengthy and convoluted story...

  • May 1, 2009, 2:43 p.m. CST


    by ThusSpakeSpymunk

    Oh, no chance. There was infinitely more character development in ENENY MINE or ON DEADLY GROUND than there will be on AVATAR, UNLESS you consider character development to be a bunch of characters saying "Don't you SEE? America (which will be renamed to TECHNICORP or something like that - TELEDYNE/INNOTECH/etc. and be an "evil corporation" by Proxy) has used its position in the world(/GALAXY/UNIVERSE) to abuse the Na'avi people (read: the middle east) by being corrupt and ravaging the land! Only green-loving sociopaths who despise human life are worth saving! Stupid people! WORK WITH ME - AND RETURN TO THE GREEN PARADISE! DESTROY INNOTECH!" Mark my ****ing words.

  • May 1, 2009, 2:47 p.m. CST

    A Real Movie Metaphor for The Current World State

    by ThusSpakeSpymunk

    A diabolical alien cult that has publicly stated that it wishes for the ABSOLUTE DEATH of an entire race on a nearby planet uses vast wealth and vicious manipulation of the galactic media to simultenously launch vicious attacks on that race, develop hideous galaxy-destroying weapons and also claim to be a peaceful culture. The galactic media sides with the cult, whose members launch massive intergalactic protests featuring planet-spanning signs that say DEATH TO THE (culture being attacked) and THIS CULTURE MUST BURN!" while at the same time talking to the equivalent of the Federation about the need for controls on alien hate speech. Meanwhile, Earth is embroiled in a near-epic civil war of ideas, where a few brave souls want desperately to stop the alien cult from obliterating their targets' planet to honor a centuries-old prophecy by an avowed pedophile/murderer/planet torpedo maker.

  • May 1, 2009, 2:48 p.m. CST

    Think Hollywood Would Back Me On That?

    by ThusSpakeSpymunk

    I've got a script ...

  • May 1, 2009, 3:01 p.m. CST

    Spymunk, thanks for the laugh...

    by TurdontheRun

    But no, Avatar will have plenty of solid character development if Cameron's previous work is anything to go by. Nor is it some simplistic eco-allegory; in fact, it's more about how one culture supplants another a la Conquistadors in South America or Custer masacring the Indians,and also man's symbiotic relationship with nature. Also analogous to - you guessed it- occupying troops in the middle east. All these things much more than anything to do with the environment. Have you read the scriptment (which is just a detailed outline and not a finished script)? ...In any case, Sam Worthington will not get up to address the audience directly at the end of the movie, a la Seagal, and give them a long-winded lecture about going green, recycling glass bottles, and turning off the lights in an empty room...

  • May 1, 2009, 3:07 p.m. CST


    by TurdontheRun

    are you a Republican? It sure sounds like you're reading too much into things. Avatar was written in 1995; it could be applied to any over-bearing society in history. Cameron's liberal, but he's no far left looney. And if the right wingers take offense...fuck 'em if they can't take a joke.

  • May 1, 2009, 3:09 p.m. CST


    by ThusSpakeSpymunk

    My favorite remarks by celebrities / Hollywood writers is from Sean Penn, who simultaneously claims to support women's/gays' rights and at the same time has voiced deep support for the policies of Iran, which include stoning rape victim women and torturing/murdering preteen homosexuals. Nice!

  • May 1, 2009, 9:28 p.m. CST


    by southafricanguy

    Dude? Yeah, dont worry im just as baffled by Dannydouchbags fantasies about Cameron abusing women. Thusspake, seriously my friend you sound like you have a whole lot of preconceived ideas about Avatar. Go find the scriptment (which is only a rough outline as Turd pointed out) and read it, that is if you want to really get an idea of what it is instead of just believing some thnundercat/steven segal analogy that it sound like you just made up....

  • May 2, 2009, 12:09 a.m. CST

    Asimov - Huh?

    by ThusSpakeSpymunk

    I -did- make up the stuff I wrote in the last post. It was my version of a more realistic view on the metaphor for the situation in the Middle East than Hollywood wants you to think.

  • May 2, 2009, 12:10 a.m. CST

    I didn't bring up Seagal

    by ThusSpakeSpymunk

    Other people did. I did bring up the Thundercat thing because of the absolutely ass-awful and ridiculous model they "leaked." Patheitc.

  • May 2, 2009, 2:02 a.m. CST

    Thusspake...sorry you are right, it was others

    by southafricanguy

    that brought seagal up, apologies. But at the same time you realize that "model" was a rough far from finished digital rendering. And the picture was blurry and unclear at the same time. Hardly a finished product, thus not very fair to pass final judgement would nt you say dude?

  • May 2, 2009, 2:07 a.m. CST

    Anyway as ive said before, the designs for

    by southafricanguy

    Avatar have been done by Cameron, Stan Winston, Jordu Schell, and Wayne Barlow. All very talented concept artists and designers of fantasy/sci-fi characters imho. And Cameron and Winston have a good track record of creating iconic creatures/characters (alien queen, T-800 endoskeleton, T-1000, The Predator, the colonial marines etc...)

  • May 2, 2009, 2:08 a.m. CST

    so im prepared to give them the benefit of the

    by southafricanguy

    doubt on this one untill i see the final results...

  • May 2, 2009, 5:23 a.m. CST

    Good stratergy dude....way too many people

    by southafricanguy

    go overboard on the hype. But at the same time I refuse to be like a lot of the cynical, bitter geeks on these talkbacks that just hate everything sight unseen or develop really strong negative opinions based on material they see thats far from finished or is at the early stages of development. So I agree with you but I think that same argument goes both ways...

  • May 2, 2009, 9:05 a.m. CST

    Yeah Asimov im right there with you dude

    by southafricanguy

    much of what gets made is crap.And i think one of the main reasons for it is that there only so many truly talented and skilled directors that know how to balance story, character development, and action set pieces. Too often huge budgets are given to directors that dont really know what they are doing

  • May 2, 2009, 9:07 a.m. CST

    and I think thats a big part of the reason we

    by southafricanguy

    get something like wolverine. Nothing Gavin Hood has done in any way qulifies him to make a 100 mil+ action movie that requires a lot of fx.

  • May 2, 2009, 9:09 a.m. CST

    imho. Look at the golden compass for

    by southafricanguy

    example, a 200 mil+ movie that they gave to the guy that mad American pie...why? What in his filography suggests he knows what he's doing? And what happened we got a giant turd of a movie that bankrupt New Line.

  • May 2, 2009, 9:12 a.m. CST

    Of coures studio interferance and the general

    by southafricanguy

    dumbing down of everything so that it can be mass marketed to the widest possible audiance so that studios can ensure less risk in recouping all the money they have spent on their tentpole. Perhaps if they focused more on the scripts and only allowed proven directors in sci-fi or action with smaller budgets to get the oppertunity to play with a massive budget...

  • May 2, 2009, 9:18 a.m. CST

    Lets take Cameron for example...he worked

    by southafricanguy

    for Corman for years doing special effects. And long before anyone gave him a lot of money to make a movie he did low budget movies like terminator and Aliens where he proved his ability and bankabilty in a specific genre. Whereas someone like Chris Weitz had never done action, fantasy movies, or even anything with fx before being given the golden compass....

  • May 2, 2009, 9:21 a.m. CST

    And yes my friend i agree with every point

    by southafricanguy

    you made about The Dark Knight..truly a remarkable achievement in the current state of things. But I think we also have to allow for different tastes as well. Look at Transformers..whatever you or I may think of it, it made serious bank. The simple fact is that a lot of people like that type of movie...

  • May 2, 2009, 9:24 a.m. CST

    im really hoping that Avatar is this years

    by southafricanguy

    the Dark knight, because I dont see anything (as a sci-fi/action etc genre movie) that has the slightest chance of that this Summer. Though it looks like the new Trek will be this years Iron Man, a fun well made, above average intelligent pop corn flick..

  • May 2, 2009, 11:12 a.m. CST

    Don't Forget -

    by ThusSpakeSpymunk

    Hollywood's sins are doubled on both ALIENS and TERMINATOR. If you look at the history of it all, NOBODY believed in TERMINATOR. The studio basically buried it, did very little advertising and dumped the film. It was only discovered later that it was a "hit" when the studio realized people were talking about it and going to see it again. There was no studio "faith" in Cameron. Same deal with ALIENS - the studio tried to advertise ALIENS by using lighting and effects to make Sigourney Weaver resemble Michael Jackson in the poster (!!!) because they wanted to trick audiences into thinking Michael Jackson was in the movie - I kid you not. That's how much confidence they had in the final product - they had NO idea it was any good. Seriously. THEY COULDN' TELL ALIENS WAS ANY GOOD. And then, add to that the fact<p><p>When I saw the blurry image of the Thundercat, I didn't pan it because it "looked bad." I panned it because it's a freaking Thundercat. And I guarantee you that if ANY average American person saw that, they either would have no frame of reference ("it's ... a cat ... guy. Uh-huh. And he has no weapons of any kind.") or they'd think it was a THUNDERCAT.<p><p>The whole "no weapons of any kind" thing comes from one of the biggest fumbles in the history of cinema as far as I'm concerned, which was that I remember seeing some movie - don't recall which one it was - where an empty starscape drifted before my eyes, and an astronaut was seen floating - and getting closer - and then the announcer said: "IN SPACE ... NO ONE CAN HEAR YOU SCRESAM ... BUT THIS THANKSGIVING ... IT'S A DIFFERENT STORY .... BECAUSE ON EARTH ... EVERYONE CAN HEAR YOU SCREAM!" and then it said ALIEN 3 and showed the astronaut was a skeleton. The audience I was in WENT NUTS! The answer to ALIEN 3 was obvious - Aliens on Earth - it was a teaser - there was going to be an epic war that would be like ALIENS x 100 - lasers, explosions, aliens tearing up the planet, an all-out war! WOW! Then, I waited ... and waited ... and waited ... and when ALIEN 3 finally got close, I saw my first trailer for that also in a theater (imagine that!) and heard Sigourney utter the immortal line that convinced me before I'd even seen the movie it was going to be Cinematic Poison. "You mean we have no weapons of any kind?" Yeah, exactly, guys - the big thing that people HATED about ALIENS was the existence in the plot of weapons, the vast number of Aliens - the big improvements on that were, of coruse, to remove the action/weapons/quantity of aliens. Good work, mother*******.

  • May 2, 2009, 11:13 a.m. CST

    Oh, Yeah!

    by ThusSpakeSpymunk

    And killing Newt, Bishop and Hicks. WAY TO GO!

  • May 2, 2009, 11:21 a.m. CST

    Oh, and for the Record

    by ThusSpakeSpymunk

    I'm not a movie snob. I freakin' LOVED TRANSFORMERS, because believe it or not, those characters mean a lot to me. Optimus Prime was my honest-to-goodness HERO growing up, a real embodiment of what virtues were really important. And those lessons stuck with me. I was a Latch-Key kid, and he was sort of my substitute Dad.

  • May 2, 2009, 12:50 p.m. CST

    Thundercat fuzzy picture...

    by TurdontheRun

    was proven to be a hoax, just like that other 'supposed' concept artwork that Cameron himself confirmed as fake. Don't believe everything you see and read, especially on this site...

  • May 2, 2009, 12:55 p.m. CST


    by TurdontheRun

    You're not serious about that Michael Jackson thing, are you?

  • May 2, 2009, 10:12 p.m. CST

    Turdontherun....are you sure that blurry pic

    by southafricanguy

    ture was confirmed as fake? I thought it was an authentic but very rough early digital rendering...Where was it confirmed as fake? Is there a link?

  • May 2, 2009, 10:14 p.m. CST

    though you are right about being very careful

    by southafricanguy

    what you see or read on movie fan sites as always being the real deal..

  • May 2, 2009, 10:20 p.m. CST

    Thusspake...dude i just think you are allowing

    by southafricanguy

    way too much preconceived ideas to influence your opinion. Again my friend, have you read the old scriptment? The Na'vi are not at all weaponless, they have throwing and stabbing weapons but far more importantly they can link with any creature in Pandora that they can then use basically as a biological weapons system. There are numerous bizzare alien creatures, such as large flying things called banshees, huge tank like creatures with armour, creatures that can shoot their heads and then regrow them, and the list goes on

  • May 2, 2009, 10:24 p.m. CST

    but i hear ya on the alien 3 thing, absolutely

    by southafricanguy

    one of the biggest dissapointments and betrayals of all time had to be the abomination alien 3. I feel the same way brother...

  • May 2, 2009, 10:29 p.m. CST

    btw..still completely disagree with you about

    by southafricanguy

    the whole thundercat thing buddy. For me Cameron and Stan (R.I.P) winston are too clever designers, come on..they made the T-800 endoseleton, the predator, the alien Queen etc..

  • May 2, 2009, 10:35 p.m. CST

    Asimov....fair enough with the list of charges

    by southafricanguy

    against JJ, but im a trekkie, grew up on it,so im just very optimistic that this can be the first truly epic trek...

  • May 2, 2009, 10:36 p.m. CST

    and be the re energization trek so badly need

    by southafricanguy

    s after the last few bad movies...

  • May 2, 2009, 10:47 p.m. CST

    and as, for transformers i agree with you its a

    by southafricanguy

    bad movie, but i enjoy it purely as the junk food, guilty pleasure it is. I guess i just get a kick out of hearing McCullen voice Prime and seeing him in live action....