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Warner Bros. KISS KISS, BANG BANG-ing Guy Ritchie's ROCKNROLLA?

Beaks here... Warner Bros. President and COO Alan Horn on Guy Ritchie's ROCKNROLLA (per LA Times):
"I think it's a well-made picture, but while it's funny in spots, it's very English," he said. "I don't think it's broadly commercial. It feels like a film that deserves a spirited release, but not a wide one. Joel has an 800-screen deal, which we'll honor, but we might not be willing to spend the marketing money he wants us to."

A paragraph later...

For now, we're preparing to release the film in October, but I don't see it starting out on 800 screens. If Joel is thinking there is someone out there willing to spend twice as much money as we're willing to, I'm sure he will pursue that."

I'm not the ideal advocate for Guy Ritchie: I didn't get much out of LOCK, STOCK AND TWO SMOKING BARRELS or SNATCH; I think he was most dialed-in as an auteur on the over-hated (but not necessarily "good") SWEPT AWAY; and I can't understand how anyone, no matter how talented, could rebound from a movie as unreleasably bonkers as REVOLVER. That said, I respect the Guy. He turned his back on a potential Hollywood windfall to make two highly uncommercial passion projects, and crawled out from under the resulting rubble to make another British caper movie on WB's dime. He does not lack for moxie, which makes him a perfect filmmaking partner for Joel Silver. Unfortunately, WB doesn't feel terribly indebted to Silver at the moment, so they've decided to dump ROCKNROLLA in a very crowded October on fewer than 800 screens. If this sounds familiar, it's because the studio did roughly the same thing to Shane Black's KISS KISS, BANG BANG in 2005. I understand that WB is overwhelmed at the moment with the remaining treasures of New Line (and kudos to them for getting the Gavin O'Connor's inexplicably delayed PRIDE AND GLORY out into theaters this year), but there's nothing prohibitively "British" about this:
That's pretty slick. Also, I've spoken to a nearly respectable individual who's seen ROCKNROLLA, and he thinks it's "as good as SNATCH". If so, it makes plenty of sense for Silver to shop his Ritchie flick to Lionsgate and Sony (again, per the LA Times), neither of which is contending with a backlog of Robert Shaye-greenlit gems. Gerard Butler may have cooled a bit sense 300, but put him in a dude-skewing movie like this, and I think he's still pretty valuable. Throw in Jeremy Piven (who'll be back on ENTOURAGE this fall), Tom Wilkinson, Idris Elba, Thandie Newton and Ludacris, and that thar's a very appealing ensemble. Mostly, I need Silver to succeed one way or another with the modestly-budgeted ROCKNROLLA because that's probably the only way he'll get another Shane Black movie made. Then again, even a flush-with-success Silver couldn't force WB to release KISS KISS, BANG BANG wider than 226 screens. If this all goes south, I'm afraid I'd settle for a Black-scripted LETHAL WEAPON 5. Here's hoping SPEED RACER becomes the Blu-Ray buy of the fall.

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  • Aug. 13, 2008, 2:22 p.m. CST


    by DimensionsPlural

    Do you like dags?

  • Aug. 13, 2008, 2:25 p.m. CST

    I'll be seeing this in 3 weeks or so

    by Garbageman33

    At the Toronto International Film Festival. Great city. Great festival.

  • Aug. 13, 2008, 2:26 p.m. CST

    hmmm thats kinda crap

    by wenis

    but hopefully the movie is great and it has the legs like kiss kiss did and people catch up to it on dvd.

  • Aug. 13, 2008, 2:28 p.m. CST

    Why did WB shortchange KKBB?

    by RobotDevil007

    Is it because Kilmer's character was gay?

  • Aug. 13, 2008, 2:28 p.m. CST


    by mrbeaks

    Go see Danny Boyle's SLUMDOG MILLIONAIRE. WB's trying to unload that as well.

  • Aug. 13, 2008, 2:32 p.m. CST

    Looks Promising...

    by Lost4Words

    Is Revolver worth seeing?

  • Aug. 13, 2008, 2:32 p.m. CST

    looks good. i'll watch it. he knows english gangsta flicks

    by BMacSmith

    Snatch and Lock Stock were, in fact great movies.

  • Aug. 13, 2008, 2:33 p.m. CST

    No, Revolver is a really really bad movie.

    by Underdogthe3rd

    But "Kiss, Kiss..." was funny.

  • Aug. 13, 2008, 2:35 p.m. CST

    I like Snatch and Lock Stock

    by Jor-El23

    but they're pretty much the same movie, as is Rocknrolla based on what i'm seeing. group of bumbling misfit criminals? Check! Scary British boss man type? Check! Guy who's along for the ride, outside looking in, overseeing everything, understanding everything, smarter than everyone else? Check! Valuable MacGuffin that everyone is after? Check! Difficult to understand accents? Check! Still i'm sure i'll watch and like

  • Aug. 13, 2008, 2:36 p.m. CST

    How long is Ritchie gonna keep making these films?....

    by Rameses

    he just seems to be stuck on some sort of Mockney mobster treadmill.I liked lock -stock , enjoyed snatch{though even at that point..I was starting to realise the guy seemed a bit limited} Now it looks like he's frightened to do anything different at all.

  • Aug. 13, 2008, 2:37 p.m. CST


    by nascentia

    No, Revolver isn't worth seeing at all. I LOVE Lock,Stock & Snatch, and I assumed the hatred against Revolver was unjustified. Nope, I was wrong. It's AWFUL. The plot is a bunch of Jewish Kabballah mysticism hocus pocus that made zero sense to me, Ray Liotta turns in the single worst role of his career (yes, worse than Turbulence) and Statham wasn't very good, either. It sucked.

  • Aug. 13, 2008, 2:37 p.m. CST

    Thanks, Mr. Beaks

    by Garbageman33

    I think that was just announced today, along with, among many other titles, The Brothers Bloom, Zack and Miri Make A Porno and the directorial debut from Charlie Kauffmann, which sounds batshit crazy. Have you seen Slumdog Millionaire?

  • Aug. 13, 2008, 2:38 p.m. CST

    Where's the news about Billy Bob?

    by Sithdan

    Billy Bob Thornton is going to be the next Freddy Krueger. I'm surprised this site hasn't reported that already. It's a travesty, in my opinion.

  • Aug. 13, 2008, 2:39 p.m. CST

    Speaking of Pride & Glory

    by Reckoner

    WTF?? They shot this movie like 2 years ago and it's just now getting released this fall? It looks good, so I don't understand the delay.

  • Aug. 13, 2008, 2:41 p.m. CST

    For who?

    by UltimaRex

    Billy Bob or Freddy?

  • Aug. 13, 2008, 2:42 p.m. CST

    I Love Snatch!!!

    by tk 421

    And I liked to the movie by the same name as well.

  • Aug. 13, 2008, 2:42 p.m. CST

    Hopefully, Andre 3000 isn't in this.

    by Garbageman33

    His role in Revolver may be the worst performance I've ever seen. The guy makes Ice Cube look like Sidney Poitier.

  • Aug. 13, 2008, 2:49 p.m. CST

    I gave Snatch three carrots out of five when I saw it

    by The Rabbit Of Carrot Shaped Doom

    One hopes that Guy Ritchie may repeat such success with this movie. He is a man in possession of some degree of talent, even if such talent is not always recognised as much as it deserves to be.

  • Aug. 13, 2008, 2:50 p.m. CST

    I just can't connect with those filmmaking Brits.

    by nomihs

    I liked "Lock, Stock..." and "Snatch" but the neurons firing can't really make the connection to ENJOY them. That said, I would like to give this one a chance. Just watched Piven in Very Bad Things the other day and, despite the fact that I hate him getting on HOTTT piece of ass in that flick, I think he killed it in that movie. Wait, I guess he did "kill it". That's what a towel hook to the back of the head will do. <p> And Dimensions, you may be FIRST, but you are retarded as well. Enjoy both accomplishments.

  • Aug. 13, 2008, 2:50 p.m. CST

    This looks fucking badass

    by Magma Suit

    Snatch is one of my all time favorites, and I'm ecstatic to see Ritchie coming back to do a British mobster ensemble caper. And if WB KKBBs this, it might just be a good indicator that it's good. "Not finding an audience" is just studio lingo for "too good for the fucking idiotic moviegoing public".

  • Aug. 13, 2008, 2:58 p.m. CST

    That's a very slick trailer indeed

    by palimpsest

    And if it succeeds on the level of riffing on RESERVOIR DOGS meets THE LONG GOOD FRIDAY of his first two flicks (tho not as good as either), then it'll be well-worth the price of admission. Plus, whoever cast the picture did their job well, it seems. Not seen SWEPT AWAY, so can't comment there, and REVOLVER is at times quite visually beautiful, if a badly-written and over-acted piece of campaigning for a vogueish mock religion. See it (it's worth the experience) but don't expect to necessarily enjoy it. So Ritchie's making a comeback movie. Expect this to make its money back, re-establish his mainstream (ish) credentials, and for Ritchie to alternate between Hollywood action fare and smaller, more personal projects, from here on out. It'd be fascinating to see what he could with a rock-solid franchise. Would he pull a stellar job, or cock it up?

  • Aug. 13, 2008, 3:01 p.m. CST

    Sithdan, you need to look at the BIG picture.

    by nomihs

    Billy Bob as Freddy? I say, HELL YES. It's about time we get some talent in the horror genre. The last great horror antiganist was...Shit, I dunno, Bela Lugosi, Boris Karloff, or maybe even Steve Martin in Little Shop of Horrors. I say, Thornton should move to Elm St. and start scaring the hell outta the kiddies. <p> OH, and bring back Johnny Depp. Maybe he can play the twin brother of the guy who got pulled into the water bed then puked out. I don't know, just find something for him.

  • Aug. 13, 2008, 3:05 p.m. CST

    Bring Halle Barry to Elm Street!

    by vic twenty

    And have her go One-on-One with the Crisp One ala Monster's Ball. After all, you gotta have a little T&A, right?

  • Aug. 13, 2008, 3:05 p.m. CST

    Fine WB- Lets have Hulk Hogan star in every film t

    by Jugdish

    That'll be American then..right? How fuckign stupid is that

  • Aug. 13, 2008, 3:07 p.m. CST

    oh yeah- kiss kiss bang bang - Over rated

    by Jugdish

    Had to say it

  • Aug. 13, 2008, 3:07 p.m. CST

    Here is your Conan woman

    by toadkillerdog

    Not to mention Chiyty and Danny 'snext spank mate. <p>

  • Aug. 13, 2008, 3:08 p.m. CST

    Sorry, wrong TB

    by toadkillerdog

    Hate when that happens.

  • Aug. 13, 2008, 3:09 p.m. CST

    I'll see it regardless

    by Theta

    Warners lost a bundle with "Kiss Kiss" by dropping it like a hot rock: everyone I've ever shown it to loves it. I suspect much the same will be lost here. Even if Ritchie's just playing the same old song, he plays it well.

  • Aug. 13, 2008, 3:10 p.m. CST

    It'll be massive over here in Blighty nonetheless...

    by dr_buggerlugs

    ...Ritchie made a couple of massive missteps when he ought to have had a couple of blockbusters under his belt by now. This seems like a way just to get back some of his commercial mojo before tackling Sherlock Holmes which I'm guessing he'll have everything riding on.

  • Aug. 13, 2008, 3:11 p.m. CST

    There are a lot of filmmakers who'd kill

    by chaplinatemyshoe

    for an 800 theatre release. Especially after releasing two completely unmarketable pieces of crap.

  • Aug. 13, 2008, 3:15 p.m. CST

    it's very English

    by HoboCode

    The guy has a point. Americans can't stand the Limeys.

  • Aug. 13, 2008, 3:15 p.m. CST

    BBA America is the quickest growing cable channel.

    by vic twenty

    Some of us Yanks like to hear from our friends across the pond. Arse, wanker, bonnet, tarmac, it goes on and on. Good stuff.

  • Aug. 13, 2008, 3:15 p.m. CST

    I remember liking SNATCH.

    by Gilkuliehe

    And LOCK ETC, but now I kinda hate them. The style gets boring pretty quickly and that's all there is. The characters are all characterization and not an ounce of character, I can't tell the difference from one another besides crap like "one is a gypsy" or "one is russian", and all humor is based on one character being dead serious while a second character does/says something "stupid" ("Zee Germans?"). In short, can it WB, see if I care. Oh and what about a sequel to KKBB? Don't you think Robert Downey Jr's rise to stardom would make that profitable? Come on Shane Black, you can't sell it if you don't write it.

  • Aug. 13, 2008, 3:19 p.m. CST

    'BBC' America, I meant.

    by vic twenty

    I suppose I should blame the public schools like everyone else.

  • Aug. 13, 2008, 3:26 p.m. CST

    "as good as Snatch" is NOT a good thing

    by ShiftyEyedDog2

    <br><br>I WANT to like Ritchie, but his films are a) all the same, b) not very good, and c) overrated in a BIG way. The trailer for this doesn't excite me much either. Give it its small release, but don't complain about it not going wide. Fact is, it would flop if released widely anyway.<br><Br>

  • Aug. 13, 2008, 3:27 p.m. CST

    kiss Kiss, Bang Bang is one of the best films of the decade

    by IndustryKiller!

    no hyperbole, it's just a brilliant film. The voice in the writing is so strong that it makes me yearn for the days when writers had that kind of individuality and bravura. It makes you realize why action films nowadays are so god awful when assholes like Kurtzman and orci are behind the pen. And thank God Downey Jr. became a superstar because hopefully he'll help out Black just like Black helped him. And if we're lucky they'll both throw Kilmer a bone because there is a guy WAY too fucking talented to be languishing like this.

  • Aug. 13, 2008, 3:40 p.m. CST

    Kiss Kiss, Bang Bang was great

    by TVguy4566

    I don't get why they buried it. Maybe because the name was too 50s-ish. <br><br> I thought the writing, cast, etc. were spectacular. I bet WB wishes they could release it now with Robert Downey Jr.'s career ressurection. Now it would be in 3,000 plus theaters.

  • Aug. 13, 2008, 3:42 p.m. CST

    Revolver was an ambitious film that fell short

    by aversiontherapy2

    The film was like a mobile that you had to look at from the right angle to see what they were trying to achieve, but it still fell short. I liked Snatch and Lock Stock, and it looks like Ritchie's gone back to that level of film making.

  • Aug. 13, 2008, 3:46 p.m. CST

    Crap, maybe, but have you ever seen Speed Racer ...

    by DeadPanWalking

    ... on weed?

  • Aug. 13, 2008, 3:57 p.m. CST


    by Brian

    I'll see this movie as soon as humanly possible and so will most of my friends. I don't know why they want to dump awesome movies like this. If they gave this movie some prime time TV commercials and 800 screens it'd do pretty okay. Guy Ritchie keeps getting fucked over, over and over. Shit like Mummy 3 gets made and little bitty gems like Rock'nRolla get shat on! I'm so sick of it.

  • Aug. 13, 2008, 3:58 p.m. CST

    Beaks, hate to break it to you, but....

    by glodene

    the Blu-Ray version of Speed Racer is going to release, sans the true HD Sound - This is according to Digitalbits. I'd wait until Warners decide to re-release it sometime next year or the year after with the right sound matrix that befits the true Blu-Ray sound.

  • Aug. 13, 2008, 4:02 p.m. CST

    Slumdog Millionaire Is A Very British+Indian Film

    by TroutMaskReplicant

    So no big surprise if it doesn't get a wide release in the US. Unless it grows legs. Who knows? Also, horrible name.

  • Aug. 13, 2008, 4:02 p.m. CST

    What's is wrong with

    by comedian_x

    working in a genre? I would rather Guy Ritchie produce great British crime movies time and time again then try to do something else (i.e. Revolver) and fail miserably <p> Musicians work in one genre their entire careers, why when it comes to film it is suddenly an abhorrent practice.

  • Aug. 13, 2008, 4:03 p.m. CST

    I long for more movies like Kiss Kiss Bang Bang

    by The Rabbit Of Carrot Shaped Doom

    One has to give it to Shane Black. "Kiss Kiss Bang Bang" is certainly a masterpiece which somehow slipped beneath the radar of the general public. It is a treasure, waiting to be discovered by those who are not aware of it. The dialogue sparkles, the storyline is wonderful and the direction is also superb.<p>I awarded it five carrots out of five when I first watched it, and this rating still stands up today.

  • Aug. 13, 2008, 4:04 p.m. CST

    What is this "Slumdog Millionaire"?

    by The Rabbit Of Carrot Shaped Doom

    I find the name awfully intriguing and the director is a favourite of mine. I would desire to know more about this project please, Aint It Cool.

  • Aug. 13, 2008, 4:06 p.m. CST

    Snatch and Lock Stock are okay, but that's all

    by Tyrion's Tyrannical Todger

    As a Brit, I used to lament that we couldn't do a film with the polish that our American friends could ( I won't say Yanks, 'cos I've been to the South xD ). Lock Stock and Snatch were certainly glossier, but they weren't great. Ritchie's major failing is attempting to make movies about stuff he knows little about. There's a maxim in writing. Write what you know. Guy's middle-class upbringing is painfully evident in Lock Stock and Snatch. The dialogue in both pictures is like some unholy union of Blackadder and Grange Hill. That said, I'm not a hater. Both films are enjoyable, but don't really deserve to be placed upon the pedestal of Kiss Kiss Bang Bang. Ok, it's not exactly realistic either, but it is much better done.

  • Aug. 13, 2008, 4:08 p.m. CST

    KKBB was God-fucking AWFUL

    by Speed Fricassee

    Unfair to make that reference/comparison. And Beaks, though I think you're a cool guy, LS&TSB and Snatch were brilliant. Sorry you didn't "get" it, but then again, they ARE pretty faced-paced...

  • Aug. 13, 2008, 4:12 p.m. CST

    Heh, you all said "snatch", heh etc

    by palimpsest

    And SLUMDOG MILLIONAIRE is basically the story of a poor INdian kid who wins the jackpot on the local version of "Who Wants to be a Millionaire", and is then suspected of cheating. It sounds a little like an Indian take on QUIZ SHOW in some ways. Based on a novel called "Q and A", which I haven't read. The script's by the guy who wrote THE FULL MONTY, if that's any help. Boyle has had little luck with releases recently; SUNSHINE and MILLIONS both got hidden away. Here's hoping...

  • Aug. 13, 2008, 4:14 p.m. CST

    Yeah Glodene, and

    by half vader

    they're going with a bare-bones 25gig disc rather than go the whole hog with a 50. Bastards. Even though there are a lot of morons out there that totally missed the point and hated it like the critics, even they have to admit this could have been the monster hd demo disc of the year with all the whizzy, candylike colours. Could have. <p> Boo I say.

  • Aug. 13, 2008, 4:17 p.m. CST

    Very grateful to you, palimpsest

    by The Rabbit Of Carrot Shaped Doom

    I had not heard of this movie but now feel very much enlightened. It certainly sounds very interesting.<p>I have long lemented the way in which Sunshine was treated. Here is to hoping that Mr Boyle's new movie is presented to a larger audience.

  • Aug. 13, 2008, 4:20 p.m. CST

    Not sure I agree, pap

    by palimpsest

    Richie's films are movie-movies, not life movies. Of course he knows shit about gangsters; he's just seen a fair few films. ON that level they work fine, and they're so stylised that there's no way anyone could see them as realistic. Try ESSEX BOYS for that, which, though flawed, has some great conceits and a stunning Tom Wilkinson performance. Or the aforementioned THE LONG GOOD FRIDAY, or the majestic VILLAIN with Richard Burton. Or Ken Loach's SWEET SIXTEEN or RAINING STONES. Richie's world is as much a fantasy as that of Cronenberg's last two pictures. That's not to say there isn't merit there though.

  • Aug. 13, 2008, 4:23 p.m. CST

    No worries Carrot

    by palimpsest

    SUNSHINE always was a hard sell; a commercial premise handled in a resolutely non-commercial way (and with directorial and other mistakes in there to be sure). MILLIONS is the one that rankles; a perfectly charming movie which could have made a shitload of money if marketed like NIM'S ISLAND or somesuch...

  • Aug. 13, 2008, 4:25 p.m. CST

    Snatch was a good watch..

    by conspiracy

    still...I don't know if I can respect a director who refuses to correct his haggish nimrod wife as she affects the worst English accent in recorded history. Then again..I guess he can't do much...Kabbalah curses and all.

  • Aug. 13, 2008, 4:29 p.m. CST

    Ahem: Dick Van Dyke?

    by palimpsest

    Tho he later claimed to have been drunk throughout the filming of MARY POPPINS.

  • Aug. 13, 2008, 4:30 p.m. CST

    Comparing a movie to KKBB

    by pzadvance a great way to get me to watch it. I've seen that movie at least seven times and it is consistently brilliant and sinfully underseen.

  • Aug. 13, 2008, 4:31 p.m. CST


    by C Legion

    I hope this film bombs, as Guy Ritchie blew his load on Lock Stock, which was only OK, and cannot do anything else but copy his own work (when he tried to be different he fell on his arse).<p> He's an awful director, the sooner his career dies the better.

  • Aug. 13, 2008, 4:31 p.m. CST

    palimpsest...Madge is worse...

    by conspiracy

    Why? Because unlike Van Dyke who was doing a one time bit, albeit poorly; Madge puts on that thing 24/7..Hell she even does it on this side of the pond!

  • Aug. 13, 2008, 4:34 p.m. CST

    KKBB is splendid

    by palimpsest

    the resurrection of three great talents: Shane Black, Robert Downey Jr and Val Kilmer. See also WONDERLAND and SPARTAN for great Kilmer performances. And Black's KKBB script is the best thing he's written this side of his draft of LETHAL WEAPON 2.

  • Aug. 13, 2008, 4:38 p.m. CST

    Ahh, conspiracy, I don't live in London

    by palimpsest

    thus I don't have to worry about bumping into her in the queue at the Post Office. Mind you, if she came up to me in the street and asked me "'ave yew gawt the toime me old china" I'd be sorely tempted to slap the turkey-necked wicked stepmother of disco back across the pond to the colonies. Naturally, as a gentleman, I wouldn't. But it's the thought that counts.

  • Aug. 13, 2008, 4:43 p.m. CST


    by conspiracy

    "I'd be sorely tempted to slap the turkey-necked wicked stepmother of disco back across the pond to the colonies." Such imagery...THATS funny. Well done.

  • Aug. 13, 2008, 4:48 p.m. CST

    I don't "blame" WB for this...

    by WhinyNegativeBitch

    ...Ritchies had two disasters on his hands, and this looks like exacty more of the same from him. Plus, despite it having a good cast, its not exactly the sort of lineup that packs in the sheeple. That said, to me at least, it looks like alot of fun. The comparrison to Kiss Kiss Bang Bang isn't a bad one. Its strange though, down here where I live (australia) Kiss Kiss DID get a wide release and big marketing, and did fairly well. I think Silver has some sort of Australian connection though.

  • Aug. 13, 2008, 4:54 p.m. CST

    heh, imagine if Kiss Kiss Bang bang came out now

    by Freakemovie

    Now that Robert Downey Jr.'s the new Johnny Depp. Would've been a terrific modest hit and would've probably helped revive Val Kilmer's career a bit. Alas.

  • Aug. 13, 2008, 4:54 p.m. CST

    Kiss Kiss Bang Bang

    by antonphd

    my personal favorite film of all time.

  • Aug. 13, 2008, 4:59 p.m. CST


    by Irina Spanko

    I was just thinking the same thing. And not only would it have been good for the actors, but for Shane Black, who is one of the best in the business and deserves mainstream recognition.

  • Aug. 13, 2008, 4:59 p.m. CST

    Slumdog Millionaire

    by supertoyslast

    Warner Bros are trying to unload it? That's a great shame (and the usual "art getting its ass kicked" by commerce). Danny Boyle is one of the most interesting British directors working today. 'Millions' should have done a lot better, but was killed over here by the 12A rating. (For what? The boys having a glimpse of a lingerie site? The Wonder Years is more risque) I think Sunshine did ok in the UK, especially if DVDs are taken into consideration.

  • Aug. 13, 2008, 5:07 p.m. CST

    If Sunshine made any of its money back...

    by WhinyNegativeBitch

    ...Then it did wonderful. Because it was a very bad movie. Real waste of potential on all fronts. Industry, Kiss Kiss one of the best of the decade? Your mental. Its a good, solid little action thriller. But theres a long line for best of the decade.

  • Aug. 13, 2008, 5:09 p.m. CST


    by Executor

    Seriously. And I've seen some bad ones. A two hour kaballah allegory. Ritchie's trademark kinetic style is old news, and he can't even be bothered to come up with stories anymore, just a pastiche of outlandish characters punctuated by unintelligible dialogue and occasional gunplay. <p>If Guy's creativity in bed is anything like his movies, no wonder Madonna is sick of fucking him. At least he can keep making movies and fuck US. yeah.

  • Aug. 13, 2008, 5:12 p.m. CST

    Kiss Kiss Bang Bang is my favorite film

    by David Cloverfield

    seriously. i watch it one a month with my friends getting drunk. Fucking amazing. It's a shame it got such a shitty treatment. I really want another Harry Lockhart/Gay Perry movie.

  • Aug. 13, 2008, 5:15 p.m. CST

    It could be worse........

    by BigDogg

    They could be "Midnight Meat Train"-ing it. Not only was that given a tiny release meeting its bare minimum of release, they released it straight to bargain theaters, even a bigger slap in the face than straight to DVD.

  • Aug. 13, 2008, 5:15 p.m. CST

    This looks good...

    by Banzai Rootskibango

    ...Revolver SUCKED!...and it's too bad cause it had a great title. <P> I have respect for Ritchie because Lock Stock and Snatch were both awesome in my book...I just hope this is a little more of that and a little less Revolver.

  • Aug. 13, 2008, 5:25 p.m. CST

    Kiss Kiss Bang Bang...

    by SergioGiorgini

  • Aug. 13, 2008, 5:25 p.m. CST

    WB's second biggest film of the year...

    by Pocket Watch likely to be the sixth Harry Potter. Or will this get a limited release for being too English?

  • Aug. 13, 2008, 5:27 p.m. CST

    Kiss Kiss Bang Bang...

    by SergioGiorgini

    The sequel that we ACTUALLY WANT? P.S. Fucking return. Apologies.

  • Aug. 13, 2008, 5:30 p.m. CST

    When I watched

    by papabendi

    the trailer for this film before TDK in England the entire audience gave off a collective sigh. Kind of like the one you get when an Eddie Murphy trailer comes on.

  • Aug. 13, 2008, 5:37 p.m. CST

    The Iron Man blu-ray will out sell Speed Racer 2 to1.

    by hollywoodsummers

    Bet on it. Here's to hoping for nothing.

  • Aug. 13, 2008, 5:38 p.m. CST

    Guy Ritchie

    by kwisatzhaderach

    The British Michael Bay.

  • Aug. 13, 2008, 5:45 p.m. CST

    This movie is certainly not "too English"

    by The Rabbit Of Carrot Shaped Doom

    Violence, sadly, translates to any language. Good comedy should also translate to any language.<p>If a million Brits can watch a movie about mobsters in an American environment evading the American police authorities, I am quite certain that an equal number of Americans can watch the reverse. To shelve a movie because it is "too English" is quite proposterous.

  • Aug. 13, 2008, 6:08 p.m. CST

    Does Ritchie's flick feature Michelle Monaghan's tits

    by Itchy

    like Kiss, Kiss, Bang, Bang did ? If not, Mr. Madonna can kiss my ass - I'm not watching any more of his crap.

  • Aug. 13, 2008, 6:24 p.m. CST

    Revolver was FUCKING GREAT!

    by EvilWizardGlick

    Ray Liotta all greased up at the end was a mindbending sight. <p> The movie was just incredibale. <p> Definitely not the horseshit we see normally.

  • Aug. 13, 2008, 6:29 p.m. CST


    by Executor

    I am hoping you are being sarcastic.<p>Revolver was shit, plain and simple. A guy figures out a formula for "beating life" while in a prison cell? Don't get me started. No it's not the horseshit we see normally, it's an entirely new type of horseshit that is even shittier.<p>p.s. If a greased up Ray Liotta is your idea of a great movie, there's a great double feature playing for you at the TomCat in West Hollywood.

  • Aug. 13, 2008, 6:29 p.m. CST

    Jesus so many clueless Revolver haters in one place

    by EvilWizardGlick

    Must be a bad night for Dungeons and Dragons.

  • Aug. 13, 2008, 6:32 p.m. CST

    Funny that Warners doesn't think Harry Potter is too British.

    by Rev. Slappy

    What a bunch of buffoons.

  • Aug. 13, 2008, 6:48 p.m. CST

    It looks like Smokin' Aces part two. And that aint a

    by GQtaste

    good thing.

  • Aug. 13, 2008, 7:01 p.m. CST

    They should call the sequel

    by rosasaks

    Kiss Kiss Kiss Bang Bang Bang. No wait. That would be silly.

  • Aug. 13, 2008, 7:02 p.m. CST

    Pauline Kael and Jean-Luc Goddard are rolling in their graves...

    by rosasaks

  • Aug. 13, 2008, 7:11 p.m. CST

    I F'ing love Snatch and Lock Stock

    by jimmay

    Consider me there. And, even though Revolver was a mess, it still looked really fucking good. I'll find the one theater in town that has this showing for two weeks and hit it while it's hot, just like I did for Kiss Kiss Bang Bang.

  • Aug. 13, 2008, 7:11 p.m. CST

    Revolver was a great film.

    by antonphd

    It just wasn't an abc123USA movie.

  • Aug. 13, 2008, 7:22 p.m. CST

    Smoking Aces 2 My Arse!


    Sad when they don't have a clue what they have!<P>Just like Reservoir Dogs the brits will have to fanny around seeking this tasty wee morsal out in remote, small screen cinemas over and over to make it cult and give it it's due.<P>and then a good few mumfs later when USofA catches on it'll hit thousands of screens.

  • Aug. 13, 2008, 7:22 p.m. CST

    The ensemble and dialogue of Snatch was fantastic.

    by CreasyBear

    Yes, all the characters talked basically the same, but Ritchie nailed the fun, dark humor with an energetic style. Revolver really was awful. Not the "Oh, only smart people like me 'get' it" way, but in the way where you realize in the end that the long boring stretches resulted only in a so-called climax that was nothing more than pay-offs that we saw coming from miles away (Oh, so those were the guys in the prison?! Wow!), and a laughable Freudian excuse for an antagonist. I mean, I applaud the audacity for Ritchie to try something so insane, but in the end, it's still just insane.

  • Aug. 13, 2008, 7:32 p.m. CST

    looks good

    by chipps

    veeeeeeeeeely nice!

  • Aug. 13, 2008, 7:38 p.m. CST

    Man- I hope this comes out ... I realyl want to see it... on the

    by Judge Briggs

  • Aug. 13, 2008, 7:55 p.m. CST

    Kiss Kiss Bang Bang should have opened in 8 MILLION theatres...

    by DanielKurland

    That's how good it was. It's a shame it was almost completely over looked, and if the exact same film were simply released now, you know it'd do crazy well just due to how hot Downey Jr. has become.

  • Aug. 13, 2008, 7:58 p.m. CST

    This movie looks like 25 other films that

    by TooWhippy

    have been released over the past 3 years. I'll see it when Its on DVD.

  • Aug. 13, 2008, 7:58 p.m. CST

    Too English?? Hollywood IS English!

    by Horde Zoba

    I fucking love the way yanks still act like they can't quite get or accept something english, completely forgetting that a fuckton of mainstream culture is related to England in some way: LORD OF THE RINGS: English story, nearly all characters speak with English accents PIRATES OF THE CARIBBEAN: Nearly all the characters are English or speak in English accents, including Jack Sparrow HARRY POTTER: English Story, nearly all characters English JAMES BOND: Franchise from England, most of the characters English THE DARK KNIGHT: Directed by a brit, many of the actors English, including Christian Bale, one of the biggest genre actors at the moment Radiohead, Coldplay - arguably biggest bands in the world, (for better or worse) - both English --- yall should stop pretending that England is this kooky little country that you don't quite get when most of the biggest pop cultural phenomenon are related to that place.

  • Aug. 13, 2008, 7:58 p.m. CST

    Toronto International Film Festival...

    by DanielKurland

    Where is the most up to date film schedule? I've been checking their site every day and haven't seen anything mentioned about this or Danny Boyle. I'm dying to know what's going to be playing there.

  • Aug. 13, 2008, 8:02 p.m. CST

    Wow, new Kaufman and Aronofsky at TIFF...

    by DanielKurland

    I cannot wait...I found a press release.

  • Aug. 13, 2008, 8:09 p.m. CST


    by Ironmuskrat

    Revolver was a hard movie for me to wrap my head around. Is it possible to have no idea what is going on in a movie and still like it? Several scenes were enjoyable, Ray Liotta trying to save himself from his own bodyguards and Sorter's homicidal meltdown, but in the end all the individual acts don't add up to movie that makes any sense in the end. I guess I must be one of those mouth breathers that just didn't get it. <p> But I will give Ritchie credit, after several attempts he actually squeezed something close to an acting performance from Jason Statham.

  • Aug. 13, 2008, 8:11 p.m. CST

    Suit got it right

    by clone-o-mat

    This would never open big. Sorry. It's niche. Niche don't open big.

  • Aug. 13, 2008, 8:28 p.m. CST

    Can't believe AICN actually has a decent WRITER on the staff...

    by JimCurry

    Good job Beaks, you don't make me cringe with every paragraph, as is usually the case 'round here.

  • Aug. 13, 2008, 8:37 p.m. CST

    I'll only say ficus

    by DarthScotland

    if i didnt visit this site regularly I would have probably overlooked Kiss Kiss Bang Bang, truly awesome film, as underated and overlooked as Last boy scout. Im willing to give rocknrolla a go, but not in the paying money at the cinema sense, revolver was just too shit to offer mr ritchie any more of my money

  • Aug. 13, 2008, 8:40 p.m. CST

    Guy Ritchie pwns teh suk

    by The Artist Formerly Known as Man of Stool

    Guy Ritchie pwns teh suk

  • Aug. 13, 2008, 8:47 p.m. CST

    oh and the hollywood 'english' thing...

    by DarthScotland

    ...if you will permit the football/soccer analogy, hollywood is the premiership. Its a national institution with silly amounts of corrupt money thrown at it but doesnt actually contain many players from that country but gets insulted when people bring that up and even though it contains hundreds of players/actors coaches/directors and managers/producers from around the world, it still couldnt give a shit about their leagues and teams. So its not too hard to understand the attitude, fucked up as it is. To be honest no one gives a shit about french or spanish cinema here, ever though some really decent films get made.......fuck bollywood though

  • Aug. 13, 2008, 8:54 p.m. CST

    Latest TIFF Update

    by Garbageman33

    Seems like a lot of good choices (remove spaces).

  • And yet there you are at the bottom of the page, begging people who know better to buy the BR disc of Speed Racer - a film so awful that it very nearly gave me stomach cancer within the first half hour.<P> Interesting side note to that - a friend of mine actually threw up in the cinema during Speed Racer... but he assures me that it had nothing to do with the seven beers and two cheeseburgers he had for lunch.<P> Try watching Lock Stock again, and then maybe even try watching Snatch again. These are really solid, really funny films that hold up to repeat viewings. What the fuck is it about English humour and film that seems to elude the supposedly more film-literate folks on the other side of the Atlantic?

  • Aug. 13, 2008, 9:23 p.m. CST

    Guilty As Charged, micodin808

    by mrbeaks

    That's why I'm a sucker for the Don Simpson of Japanese cinema.<br><br>

  • Aug. 13, 2008, 10:30 p.m. CST

    LOCK STOCK was awesome

    by Mullah Omar

    It didn't play for very long in US theaters, but that's where I saw it, and I loved that film. That film was a breath of fresh air in its time, but it's been aped so much since then - even by Ritchie himself - that the impact has surely lessened. But anyone who saw LOCK STOCK when it was released and was not impressed and/or entertained loses a bit of film credibility in my book.

  • Aug. 13, 2008, 11:13 p.m. CST

    if it's as good as kkbb

    by the podosphere

    i'll find one of those 800 screens.

  • Aug. 14, 2008, 1:23 a.m. CST

    It's good to see some KKBB love

    by David Cloverfield

  • Aug. 14, 2008, 1:30 a.m. CST

    I was one of the few people that went to see KKBB

    by GQtaste

    and I also own it on dvd. I'ts a great film that doesn't get made hardly ever. I went to see RDJ and Val play off one another and of course it had that nice piece of ass Michelle M. and the forgotten about Corbin Bernsen as the bady. And not but least flikca as the hot as fuck flight attendant. People you should remember this isn't the seventies anymore. Public aren't' as adventures as they used to be. They want, for the most part stupid stuff like 300, fast and forever, rom comedies, feel gooders, etc. Not something w/ a smaller budget that has great actors and a tight script to work w/. I'd take ten kkkbb's over the next ten cartoon tween moves' any day.

  • Aug. 14, 2008, 1:32 a.m. CST

    People who lament the death

    by comedian_x

    of movie theaters, there is your guilty party -- the studios. There is an audience for this film in every town in this nation if the studios would only bother to find them. <p> If they rolled this movie out slowly and let word of mouth spread it could play for a long time and definitely make back its money.

  • Aug. 14, 2008, 2:18 a.m. CST

    I'll see ROCKNROLLA on DVD

    by thegreatwhatzit

    No, I won't. I'd rather watch GUMBY reruns. Unless he negotaites a special introduction for Madoona when she horns-in on his inevitable "special bonus" interview. "You know her as Madonna...I know her as my jock-addicted, overage, p.r. parasitic old hag of a wife. You ever see any of her movies? I didn't think so."

  • Aug. 14, 2008, 4:18 a.m. CST

    Kiss kiss bang Bang

    by Nice Mr Death

    Raped my arse and I enjoyed it.

  • Aug. 14, 2008, 5:15 a.m. CST


    by schnide

    "Also, I've spoken to a nearly respectable individual who's seen ROCKNROLLA, and he thinks it's "as good as SNATCH"." As good as Snatch, or the SAME as Snatch? Because Guy Ritchie is a one-note director and a flat note at that. And I'm English, your Mockney bullshit doesn't sell to me Mr Madonna.

  • Aug. 14, 2008, 6:16 a.m. CST


    by Nice Mr Death

    So are you saying shane Black needs to learn how to write villains? It's unclear.

  • Aug. 14, 2008, 6:17 a.m. CST

    I liked revolver...

    by nukethefridge

    ...when I saw it in the cinema. Then I read the reviews and they told me I didn't. Now I think its crap. Thank you reviews, thaviews.

  • Aug. 14, 2008, 7:10 a.m. CST

    I'd rather see a Kiss Kiss Bang Bang sequel.

    by Knuckleduster

    Nothing against Ritchie. I quite enjoyed Lock Stock and Snatch, but could never buy into the whole "Ritchie is the new Tarantino" hype (that's a pretty stupid comparison, anyway). Granted, I still haven't seen Swept Away or Revolver, but Ritchie has yet to prove to me that he's a great filmmaker, rather than just a guy who makes fun movies.<p> Shane Black, on the other hand, really knows what he's doing. He may be new to directing, but if anyone knows action, it's him. He wrote Lethal Weapon and The Last Boyscout. He was Hawkins in Predator, for fuck's sake. Gotta respect that.

  • Aug. 14, 2008, 8:12 a.m. CST

    Speed Racer is destined to be a huge cult hit.

    by knowthyself

    No way was this movie was bad in any way shape or form. Really makes me wonder about critics sometimes.

  • Aug. 14, 2008, 8:28 a.m. CST

    enjoyed both movies and

    by Russman

    this one looks fun. Haters - suck it.

  • Aug. 14, 2008, 8:42 a.m. CST

    Huge cult hit like...

    by WhinyNegativeBitch

    ...Plan 9 From Outer Space or Showgirls or Speed 2. It's fucking abysmal. Truly one of the most mind bendingly awful big release films of all time. I would say it would rank alongside Howard The Duck or Baron Munchausen, but even those films had more watchable moments than Speed Racer. Still, sucks to see WB shaft Silver over Rock N Rolla, which looks like more of the same. But I liked the same in the first place.

  • Aug. 14, 2008, 9:12 a.m. CST

    Danny Boyle's Sunshine...

    by lynxpro

    The problem with *Sunshine* is that if you've seen *Event Horizon* then you've already seen the best parts of *Sunshine*. Granted, it is a good looking Blu-ray release.

  • Aug. 14, 2008, 9:15 a.m. CST

    regarding BBC America...

    by lynxpro

    I really hate how BBC America shows *Doctor Who*. I hate the splash screen they throw up each time they go to commercial because it ruins the drama. People biotch and moan about the cuts SciFi Channel makes to the program but I feel their presentation of the material is 100% SciFi's custom Who logo looks much better than BBC America's customized version. Hell, I prefer SciFi's customized version over the current "Space Taxi" NewWho logo since it looks so damn cheesy.

  • Aug. 14, 2008, 9:24 a.m. CST

    Whats wrong with British?

    by DanboJohnJ

    racist hollywood? it's like me(an english fellow)refusing to watch Transformer coz it's too american?what a load of fuckking bollocks.

  • Aug. 14, 2008, 9:26 a.m. CST

    Corbin Bernsen isn't forgotten...

    by lynxpro

    ...he's on USA's *Psych* tv series. Hell, even though this place is a bastion for everything Bruce Campbell, I'm sure most TalkBackers are completely unaware that he's been on USA's *Burn Notice* for two seasons.

  • Aug. 14, 2008, 9:30 a.m. CST

    Speed Racer was alright.

    by UltimaRex

    JUST alright BTW. Too focused on being pretty rather than being a movie.

  • Aug. 14, 2008, 11:13 a.m. CST

    I hope this gets it's fair share of press

    by Broseph

    solid cast.i dont know wtf richie was thinking with swept away and revolver was so boring i went to sleep before it was over after ordering it on pay per that should tell you how lame that was.I Loved LOCK, STOCK AND TWO SMOKING BARRELS AND SNATCH.SO i will definitely support this film and danny boyle is a very gifted director i think his body of work is amazing.including the beach

  • Aug. 14, 2008, 11:16 a.m. CST


    by Broseph


  • Aug. 14, 2008, 11:22 a.m. CST

    Homophobic Dick

    by The Alienist

    Ever since Madonna's brother's book came out and we found out what an anti-gay asshole the bastard is, I can't applaud enough the failure of every Guy Richie endeavor.

  • Aug. 14, 2008, 12:39 p.m. CST

    I just got off the phone with Troy Duffy

    by ArcadianDS

    he says he's got a script for Boondock Saints II that will make him the next Guy Ritchie.<p> Then I asked him about money and he said that he was on the phone with me as a favor and I should be honored just to hang onto his coattails. Then he got a call from Sonic - he was 10 minutes late and the drive-thru was already 6 cars deep so he had to go.

  • Aug. 14, 2008, 12:39 p.m. CST


    by Halloween68

    How can anybody not be a fan of LOCK, STOCK and SNATCH? These are 2 of the best caper films to release in the past 20 to 30 yrs. Both films are brilliant. Both have a unique voice and an utterly unique sense of humor. How can you ask for anything more? I'm praying ROCKNROLLA is a return to form for Richie. He was one of my favorite working film makers before SWEPT AWAY. REVOLVER didn't earn him back any points either. I've been wondering how much Vaughn had to do with Richie's early success in filmmaking, but if this most recent release is a return to form, I'm willing to bite my tongue big time. Anybody know if Big Chris/Bullet Tooth Tony will make an appearance in this one? By far, Richie's best inspiration for over-the-top characters.

  • Aug. 14, 2008, 1:05 p.m. CST

    Talkbackers are so fucking fickle

    by half vader

    I saw KKBB at the flicks then got the HD version. Great stuff, and I didn't know anything apart from RDJr being in it going in. <p> But I'd sure love to go back and read all the TB posts of you guys saying it would be fucking garbage because the guy who did Lethal Weapon was "too old for this shit". You hypocrites never give a writer or director a break after a misfire/dud/clichéd/"uncool" movie any other time, that's for DAMN sure...

  • Aug. 14, 2008, 1:10 p.m. CST

    As for that book, who knew Madge was such a cunt?!

    by half vader

    Rhetorical question. We all did. Even if Ritchie keeps up his Pommie tough boy appearances by ripping on the faggy boys (spot the quote), it's still be better if he got the kids, for their sake. <p> She's just bitter Kylie took the queen of the queens title from her over a decade ago...

  • Aug. 14, 2008, 1:53 p.m. CST

    Revolver was brilliant

    by Magnum Opus

    Sure dude from Outkast was poor casting, but I bet Revolver is Deepak Chopra's favorite movie. The most common reason for the hatred is "it doesn't make sense," which just proves that most viewers are simpletons.

  • Aug. 14, 2008, 2:27 p.m. CST

    i loved speed racer

    by maluquiro

    one of the best movies to come out this year.

  • Aug. 14, 2008, 4:54 p.m. CST

    I quite liked Revolver

    by The Rabbit Of Carrot Shaped Doom

    Granted, it's not a movie I often revisit but i find more pleasure in Revolver than something charmless such as "Transformers".<p>All always though, a movie's worth is subjective.

  • Aug. 14, 2008, 7:16 p.m. CST

    regarding blu-ray

    by bernard

    every time i go into best buy, they've got a demo or two of blu ray running and it looks like SHIT. at least the spidey 3 and batman begins blu ray treatment look like shit. <p> i really don't understand what the appeal is. to me it takes cinema down a few notches and makes everything look like really really bad news footage. i don't know if its the 29 fps or what but it looks fucking ridiculous whenever the camera moves...dollying, panning, whatever. does anyone else see this? am i too old? what the fuck!?

  • Aug. 14, 2008, 7:17 p.m. CST

    oh yeah

    by bernard

    ...and i did enjoy speed racer, but i'll be buying it on that archaic medium they call regular dvd.

  • Aug. 14, 2008, 7:45 p.m. CST

    Sorter was the greatest anti-hero ever!!!

    by ProzacMorris

    That's just a, a feeling, I had.

  • Aug. 15, 2008, 2:01 a.m. CST

    yes Bernard

    by half vader

    There's something wrong. Spidey 3 might be a dog's breakfast, but it does LOOK amazing. You even have to ask about the goons at best buy? Yes, all the moron AV types like to hawk the 100/120hz thing you're seeing, but it's NOT for movies anyway! That's what the 24fps direct playback is all about. Infinitely better than standard DVD's 3/2 pulldown, because it just plays the straight 24 frames per second the movie was projected at in the first place. <p> The 100hz bullshit is faster scanning for things like sports and text and stuff. These morons think it makes movies 'pop' in the same way they do the shutter angle thing on film to get rid of the motion blur on the McDonalds lettuce shots to make it look "crisp-er". Whatever man. Go to a decent place where they calibrate sets rather than overbrightening/oversaturating everything. You're not too old, you're just looking in the wrong place.